Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 255: Jack The Ripper Part II - Anything But Your Prayers

Episode Date: January 20, 2017

In part two of Jack the Ripper we cover the murder of the rough and rowdy Annie Chapman, just where the idea of Gentleman Jack came from, and the Double Event in which Jack the Ripper took two victims in one night. Backed Vibes Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Awesome Call Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Deep H

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started To my problem with Jack the Ripper what I realized before it's like I'm missing a lot of what's scary about Jack the Ripper because I keep Imagining all of these characters as muppets like for muppets Christmas Can you imagine if the muppets did Jack the Ripper? I mean, it would be awesome. Just all the felt guts Yeah, this played with miss Piggy just getting stabbed to death Jack Ripper Man Michael Cain Cutting up miss Piggy from her vagina up to her neck playing with her guts

All right, that's Marcus Parks, and of course we got Henry Zabrowski, but actually Jack the Ripper is very scary I was talking about this with Natalie last night about how like you you start to really think about it realistically Why chapel was pretty bad. It was just like Queens the town you grew up in Absolutely atrocious. It's Queens, but with more fog. That's true I'm all right. Well, we got part two of Jack the Ripper coming up right now and this one. I got to say Squirm alert it is full of blood. I guess we talked it's a wet episode It's disgusting quite frankly, so I'm excited to hear some details Yeah, we're jumping right back in with the murder of Annie Chapman see Annie Chapman was described in every book

I read as short and plump in her mid 40s and dying of consumption Consumption Apparently she had what was called when I was reading I'm reading the mammoth book of Jack the Ripper edited by Maxi jubowski And it said that she had a membrane of the brain disease which I don't really understand It's like one of those like weird 1800 disease where it's just like it's just Prosy cough And she's the great-great-grandmother of Tracy Chapman as a matter of fact and she sing a car a song called buggedy car

And she was looking for one kind of exciting Tracy Chapman. I love that song fast car No as Annie Chapman had particularly dark hair her friends all called her dark Annie But there is some debate as to whether Chapman was a prostitute or not Some say she was just a rough-and-routy woman who loved rum and getting drunk on Saturdays and only on Saturdays Jackie, yeah exactly just like your sister Jackie Zabrowski They say that Annie Chapman actually made her money crocheting and selling fake flowers and matches But it's thought that she was lumped in with a life of prostitution due to her being a woman of quote Drunken and immoral ways. Okay. I just got to ask

Well, how has your life gone wrong if you're not a prostitute, but people think you are and then you're like no I may I make a living selling fake flowers and I crochet What I think it just essentially means you're very friendly I think a lot of people in Whitechapel in the time I would maybe describe them as standoffish Maybe not the most friendly people on the face of the planet because everyone's either a secret cop a prostitute or trying to kill a cop or Prostitute, so I imagine anybody who's outgoing is possibly a prostitute. Also Annie Chapman did technically make love

I'm gonna put it that way in order to pay for her living situation casually They said that if she was a prostitute she did it Casually rather than a full-on career choice. So she was wearing khakis Maybe something like that. So it's like how I'm casually a prostitute because essentially Natalie pays me every year by buying me a birthday gift You're a prostitute for your birthday gift and I'll look to give it whenever it's allowed for me to give it What did your disgusting sex life get for you this year? I got a lovely print Good work, I got a lovely print for my birthday as well. Did you have to sex your body?

Yeah, sell it. Yeah, it's great. It's got a gun on it and it says read or die. Oh my goodness One of a kind she had it made for me. Oh, that's very nice. I guess you did some extra fondling this year So in the evening of September 7th 1888 a Friday I might add not a Saturday Annie showed up at the lodging house where she had been staying and said that she'd been in the infirmary as days Earlier she had gotten into a drunken brawl with another lodger over a bar of soap and had been badly beaten by the other woman That's how little soap was around right Literally had to fight each other for the soap and she was missing teeth from it, right?

Or was that just because of her attitude and lifestyle? That was attitude and lifestyle She had been missing teeth for quite a while. In fact, most of Jack the Ripper victims were missing teeth I think I'm just surprised at their ambition to get clean, you know, that's kind of refreshing in a certain way It would be a great airy spring commercial But she also apparently had a story that she what she'd tell of her friends is that the reason why she was missing her teeth is Because she was trapped on a sinking boat and a man was crawling on the rope above her to escape from the belly of the ship and Accidentally kicked her in the face. That was her cool story So they were gonna let her go down with the ship. Yeah

Not only I thought only the cooks did that So Annie sat in the kitchen of the lodging house Drunk as a skunk and pleading for the manager to let her stay the night But he told her that if she could find money for beer, she could find money for a bet And so he kicked her out into the night to her doom Now eyewitnesses in this case are extremely Suspect it seems like for every murder there were ten people who saw the deceased talking to one person or another Even if they didn't know the deceased, of course, they just hear a description of her and they're like, oh, yeah

A week ago. I saw a woman who looked just like that talking to a man with a thick Charity mustache. Well, can you imagine being a police officer and everyone that you speak with that is a possible eyewitness all act like Randy Quaid Like the smart one is Randy Quaid And then you go dumber from there white chapel must have some of the I'm also gonna put this very kindly Unreliable human beings that have ever existed on the face of the planet. Everybody is hammered And everyone is really excited to talk to a cop when they're not in trouble with the cop It's like in like in the show cops

Well, you know, I could if I could judge 55 yards if 55 yards if it was an inch from me I saw seven foot took my seven foot tall had to be he was where or he was half-deraft By the way, my brother Dale got a parking ticket last week There is nothing more fun than talking to the cops when you're not in trouble That's a good time So the last person to claim to see Annie Chapman alive would be a Mrs. Elizabeth Long Who noticed her walking with a man along Hanbury Street at 5 30 a.m

And although the man had his back to her long maintained that he appeared to be quote Foreign, which was the London byword for Jewish. Ah, I see and long said that she heard the man say Will you to which Annie replied? Yeah You're all I will yeah Two times if we came I like her She's my kind of gale strong And so the two disappeared into the backyard of 29 Hanbury Street, but only one would come out alive

This is the other problem too with the eyewitnesses of people seeing the they seeing these these victims right before they died Is it it sounds like these prostitutes had a really high turnover weight in in fucking whitechapel? Because I don't think these guys were seeing to their pleasure No, you know what I mean? They were ripping through prostitutes Oh, it was literally 30 seconds because he's about to come as breeches Anyway, just from the shaking of a horse because he's even a prison yard for how many months for good-doin God knows what stealing a fish from a lamppost some British crime a fish from a lamppost Good because it was the lamppost if you nail something to a lamppost in Great Britain it now belongs to the lamppost

You're telling me a bunch of people got arrested for stealing fish at a lamppost I'm not saying a bunch I'm just saying it was a cop looking for excuse to put somebody behind bars because the cops can make a blood freeze That's a good point But I feel like there's a lot of that happening So they'll see somebody they'll see one like see somebody go with their charity mustache with Annie Chapman But you know she caught him probably could have slept with two other dudes in the meantime Well, a lot of the witnesses that saw these women before they were murdered a lot of them

There are two or three witnesses say like I saw him with a man that looked like a sailor I saw a man that she was with an hour later with a thin mustache I mean these women would go through three to four men every single night. It's only two options You saw a man with her that looked like a sailor or a butcher. Those are the only two men What are the other men other than the sad homeowners who constantly have vagrants prostituting themselves in the back of their fucking house? Why would you even get a backyard? It's just it's a brothel You finally buy a house and it's just Stomping grounds for a series of disgusting semen

You just a beautiful little children's playground with slides and stuff and you're like I'll built it with my own two hands So I can watch my lovely. Oh God this come on. Oh, it's just covered in spider webs and spider webs of Jason Becky stop licking the slide Look Dodie's oising the baker must have come. Yeah, the baker did come Hmm well in one of those backyards specifically the one at 29 Hamburg Street Jack the Ripper took any Chapman back there alone Strangled her then took her by the chin with his right hand and slashed open her throat with a sharp thin blade And as she lay on the ground the Ripper evidently tried to remove Chapman's head as there were attempts to cut through the spine

He then moved down to the torso He opened up her stomach pulled out her intestines and draped them over her right shoulder to get them out of the way He had not cut them loose is what he was interested in was located behind those organs What the Ripper actually wanted was Annie's uterus He ripped it out of her body taking a portion of the abdominal wall Including the navel two-thirds of her bladder and the upper third of her vagina with him and disappeared Through the maze-like streets of Whitechapel. I do have a question. So he took her Intestines made a sash out of them

Actually, no Do you think he actually knew what he was going for like when he got the uterus or was that just he just so happened to grab the Uterus a ton of speculation on that which we'll get into later Well, honestly, he's obviously looking for something and so he's either a psychopath or the most curious man Who's ever been? Yeah? Goodness and that's yeah, that is rough. Yeah, but they had enough medical expertise to know that something was missing obviously Oh, of course. No, no met medicine at this time. I mean, this was only a hundred years ago This really wasn't that long ago. They have caught like all the names were there, you know, they knew where everything was

And I'm surgeons don't want to tell you this but honestly if you open up the human guts if you look at and know the human body They are numbered There's a little one two three, and if you know number seven's missing really Yeah, but this is also very similar to chickatillo. Yeah with obsession with the uterus Yeah, a lot of and in fact, you know, there's some possible connections to chickatillo later on Now Annie's mutilated body was found by a man named John Davis just a few minutes after she was killed as John was walking down the steps to go to the outhouse before he went to work that day. Oh, that's a bad morning That is rough. First of all, you have to go to the outhouse just to use the the lavatory and then you come across that

Just having to fight with the people online For the outhouse because you know, no one's happy about it ever. It's like, oh, I've got the biggest shit Yeah, I'll show you I'll show you I'll do it or I'll start so you can see I need to be in there first And then they do a pre shit outside of the outhouse before even getting inside just to move along on the line Because everyone's been like, yeah, you're all right. That's a big a shit to know of God. I know it is No, it could be that this murder was a clear case of escalation on the first murder He just opens up the abdomen but takes nothing then on the next he takes it a step further by taking a trophy with him as serial killers or want to do or

It could be that he was interrupted or got spooked on his first go-through and didn't have enough time to get what he wanted Well, now I can't stop thinking about the outhouse And if you're in an outhouse, they don't have toilet paper I'm just thinking maybe like four raccoons tails nailed to the wall and everyone just sort of like gropes them and then they leave Everybody was shit smeared and cold soaked. It was white chef. Nobody smelled good No, nobody smiled unless it was a way to warn somebody or trick somebody into trusting you. It's a bad. It's a bad town Yes, indeed But also there were other crimes before these of the 11 white chapel murders and besides the five white chapel murders

So you remember that one thing about the it was a beheaded and de-armed and de-legged torso that was found Yeah, they found a few sources. Yes, and so they found a couple torsos. I mean, so one of four So it could possibly be he was interrupted and he's already been committing these crimes but it does seem like this is an obvious escalation that now we start No, he's starting to get like into it and certain to see what what's really satisfying to him And it's 5 30 in the morning when this happens He knows that guys got to wake up at some point in the near future to go take his morning dump before work How long do you think this actually took this?

They estimate that it took about 45 minutes or so because a long time because there was a guy that was in that courtyard about 45 minutes earlier and Of course like he saw nothing back then But the other thing was is that it was actually very difficult for them to establish time of death with Annie Chapman Because since she had been disemboweled when the stomach has opened up and all the intestines are taken out the body temperature drops drastically and it was a chilly night and really at the time the only real Indication they had for time of death was how warm the body was so they really didn't know Okay, and you just do that by sticking your finger in it. Yeah, it's really it's the old

It's the pie test to figure out if the rhubarb pie is ready to be eaten But then that's a human body well They did know that there was no struggle with Annie Chapman and they knew that was there was no evidence that the killer left in a hurry He pretty much just sauntered away with a uterus a navel and the upper third of her vagina Well, I really don't want to think about him sauntering away with Grocery shopping done. I love to complete a list nothing is more satisfying than crossing off the list of milk eggs Reuterice now. It's time to get my penis Arnold with yes. Oh, I should have just done that huh now. I'm not convinced. He's not a cartoon walrus

And also nobody heard a thing Amelia Richardson who rented the entire ground floor in the building next to the yard She heard nothing nor did Harriet Hardiman who sublet the ground floor back rooms where she operated the local cat meat shop That really cat meat Or is that how like it or is it like cat me like C-a-t-m-e-e-t No, it's not Brooklyn you can't go to a rent your cat store like you could do in Brooklyn now You could just it's literally just boiling whatever loose meat comes off of the cat I don't think there's a lot of meat on a cat. No, there absolutely is not but it did

That does not change the fact that Harriet Hardiman did run a cat meat shop That was actually a little detail I found in capturing Jack the Ripper Which is one of the most factually accurate Jack the Ripper books out there So that cat meat shop that existed well cultural differences of the time we can't judge her for that Cultural differences also she just loved to hear him scream 17 people lived in the building That Annie Chapman was found outside up and none of them heard a sound from her or from Jack the Ripper He worked quickly as there had been another man in the yard less than an hour before and he was found as I said and

He saw nothing and Jack the Ripper worked Silently making him all the more terrifying it made him into a I mean he was truly a boogeyman He was a ghost and he remained so to this day Now the doctor who examined Annie and many of the other bodies a one doctor George Baxter Phillips was the first to suggest that the murderer may have had some anatomical knowledge This is due to the fact that the Ripper had located Annie's uterus relatively quickly And I would also wager the average Englishman in 1888 didn't have a very good idea of what a uterus looked like Well, they felt that if a woman was on her period she became a witch for five days

Yeah, I think they still do I've seen some funny t-shirts in Florida There was like if I don't trust anything that bleeds for five days. It doesn't die in the fat Yeah, my other car is a tampon with wheels If we could copyright that that'd be great now people took this Dr. Jack theory and ran with it as people at the time were absolutely Terrified of doctors seeing them as ghouls who spent their nights robbing graves Which is actually true. They were ghouls who spent their nights robbing graves, of course That's how HH homes made his living since people weren't allowed to use cadavers, you know dead bodies

For their medical tests, they had to go and get their own which is how HH homes was able to dispose of a lot of his bodies And then there became a sort of myth and in a folklore about the idea that doctors or it's true It's somewhere, but it's a hazy line between truth and Rumor that doctors would do unnecessary surgeries the idea or the or you think they would they would take lessers people that were Lived in the street and they would put them in these section essentially like auditoriums Where someone was posted up on a table and they played with their guts and it was just a bunch of guys and mustaches of Monicles look literally going excellent like and you're like loving it going like Like a plotting it afterwards like it was Prince RIP, right? It's very sad

It's very strict But then it kind of took off running where people said all doctors did that we're just gets to a point where it's like Somebody's got to learn science Early medicine is it's macabre stuff. Yeah now that doctor theory It does have some truth to it as four out of the five doctors who examined the body were of an opinion that the killer possessed anatomical knowledge But one out of those four suggested that a butcher or a slaughterer would have that same knowledge Okay, now am I dumb here, but isn't that the guy who did it the guy one who's like it wasn't a doctor as a doctor

There's no way. It was a doctor. It had to be a butcher or maybe a sailor Excuse me chokes up a full uterus Sorry about that back to the press conference Never a doctor a doctor is always innocent. I say punish the dentist the dentist is the criminal Well, the funny thing about that is that Baxter Phillips when he examined Annie Chapman and When he I guess surmised what sort of knife would be used He said that it was probably not the type that a doctor would use but rather the type that a coroner would use Now we know that serial killers a lot of times will mutilate animals on the way to mutilating human beings

Actually, if I had to compare Jack the Ripper to anyone I would say he would be a more controlled Richard Chase like his crimes are happening over a longer period of time But he does cover his tracks a little better or the fact that nobody everybody was running around like a chicken with Her head cut off trying to figure out the crimes and people were like cleaning up the bodies before they were done Maybe the people couldn't do their police work correctly, but they were trying they were really really trying But it does seem like he is a complete and total sexual maniac and Richard Richard chased us to refresh now. That's the vampire of Sacramento. Yeah, and he would he would bathe in the guts Almost yeah, he would bathe yeah, he had a two big spree kills were yeah, he would bathe in blood

He would bathe in the guts. He really I mean he also had anatomical knowledge But that was because he had a shit ton of books that he had studied to find out where the Specific body parts that he wanted were now there is another option here with Jack the Ripper I think that it is entirely with them the realm of possibility that the killer may have had anatomical knowledge Because he had killed before in a different locale just because these were the first murders committed in London does not mean that They were the first murders that the Ripper committed what if the Ripper began his career elsewhere? Possibly the countryside with the locations were more secluded where he had more time to explore and where he could easily bury a Body after he had done his business now while many serial killers do tend to have comfort zones

It is possible that the Ripper moved to London because he needed more of a thrill the possibility of being caught But yeah, this is only speculation, and I have no evidence to back that up Can I just say this usually we talk about you know escalation and sometimes serial killers kill animals such as cats This is a town where there's a cat meat shop So how the hell do you he's just the best person working at the bakery? You literally just took the joy away from him because there's so many people there killing many types of animals for jobs So it's like he's get that that's not they doesn't get the same thrill right you're talking about Marcus though Lends towards the belief that HH Holmes was the Jack the Ripper

Like if you want to get into that weird conspiracy theory, which I think it's horseshit Oh, it's total horseshit now. I'm saying like I mean if this guy was somewhere else in England and say he was traveling around Look, he was trans again He was traveling around the countryside somebody like Andre Cicatillo who killed in a lot of different locations You know it could be that he was experimenting while he was out there in the countryside and gained an anatomical knowledge from actually Murdering people and rooting around in there to find what exactly he wanted Hmm, but this is also saying he knew what a uterus looked like and he knew to take the uterus Unless he just opened up the body and the uterus

I'm just gonna jump on a limb here and say if you're thinking like Jack the Ripper the uterus is a fun-looking thing Right, it's got two flappies on either side. It's connected to a thing It looks like a little bow tie or a bow low tie Yeah, like you could have fun with it You could swing it around like those old-timey Macy things like you used to do with Robin Hood and they would throw it and knock people off Of horses, maybe I don't really yes I don't think necessarily he knew he was looking for a uterus. He was just like oh look It's bean bags and just like cut out

He just cut out the thing and squeeze a month a bunch because remember Cicatillo like the uterus because he said it was specifically very chewy If you don't that and he's just having fun with it going That takes away the doctor thing all together Because we didn't see him doing it and of course this did happen in the morning and television You know wasn't invented yet So you didn't have shows like the teletubbies and let's be honest the uterus kind of looks like a teletubbie That is interesting thank you Thank you very much

So anyway once Andy Chapman's body had been removed from the yard people living at 29 Hamburg Street noticed the crowd gathering to take a look at the latest crime scene being horrifically poor and wanted to make a Pound however they could the tenants charged six pence a person to get a bird's-eye view of the crime scene That was two pence more than what Annie would have made that morning had her client been a normal John and not jack the Ripper it's also wasn't isn't it four pence for a bed? Yeah I mean so six they're just spending all of their money to look at a corpse well four pence a bed I mean the the people in the common lodging houses. I mean that was the poorest of the poor not everybody in whitechapel lived in a Common lodging house. Okay. I mean it was a working. It was very much a working-class neighborhood

But it was just you know crime-ridden and filthy and it was it smelled like rotting flesh constantly because of all the slaughterhouses Everyone's walking around covered in blood all the time. You had to have all the time You had to have those home buyers so they could have a backyard that would then allow them to have a bunch of Chippin Jojo from fixer uppers. Oh, that's what they would accept chip and Jojo I imagine would have been raped and left for dead in one of the alleys only because of their attitudes. They're too trusting again You have and again to your point Gisle. They had no television. No television So this is six pence to see a bunch of cops forced to do their job Yeah, it's the first copy with any luck a llama will be loose in the city

And that those are always the best cops wild game get loose in My dad did I ever tell you that story? No, but how might when my dad used to work on the Midtown Tunnel? They went and there was a massive hold up There was like a something happening They found a u-haul truck at jackknife in the middle of the Midtown Tunnel And he showed up being like what's the brim because my dad was in charge of deadly accidents Like they would call him when people died because that's just what he did and it's kind of led to his wonderful sense of humor that I have developed over time and a

Apparently a bunch of people were bringing in illegal pythons Inside of a dashboard of a u-haul truck and the guy that was driving it Didn't realize that the whole thing had popped open the whatever the escape hatch had popped open Whole u-haul truck got filled with pythons Apparently they said the truck jackknife and that you came running out like Oh god nothing but snakes and then it was just cops big fat New York cops with nets trying to fucking snakes

up in the tunnels. I would pay six pence for that In a heartbeat. Yes. The closest cops came to a suspect in the Annie Chapman murder was a known woman hater named William Henry Pigot Pigot Pigot had been seen not too long after Chapman's body was found drinking at the Prince Albert pub at 7 a.m. Talking as he usually did about how much he hated women. Oh, he's walking around women with their smooth legs They can shave their legs and get them super smooth. You're out there. Why do they shave my legs feeling like a couple of birds wood trees? Why's it gotta be this way? I wish I could get my damn skin so soft. Mr. Pigot

It sounds like you don't hate women. It sounds like you want to be a woman Then women walking around with their sensitive ideas hugging and touching each other or enjoying each other's company It's just all All of them enjoying tea together and talking about their feelings and who's gonna date mr. Big I want to be the Samantha I guess you're a time traveler The bartender noticed that the back of Pigot's right hand was spattered with blood With another streak of blood visible behind his right ear the manager of the Prince Albert

Mrs. Fiddymont Followed Pigot to a club called Dirty Dicks where she lost sight of him. I mean these clubs are all perfectly named I have to say they knew their clientele. They knew what they were serving Everyone in Dirty Dicks had a Dirty Dick. Yeah Everyone Fucking Prince Albert Isn't Prince Albert in a can what I forget what that is. Prince Albert is when you get your penis pierced. Yeah That's the Prince Albert. Yeah, and also Prince Albert is a kind of a tobacco

So kids used to call up houses and say like hey, do you got Prince Albert in a can and when someone would say yes They go well then you're better let him out That's for the millennials It's an old fun joke that we used to do you should call somebody up and say use your refrigerator ready running You better go catch it. Also, you have aids weaponized it and we've pumped it into your restaurant And you'll say stuff like that. That's kind of the escalation of ribbon the neighbors Well any bar like called like clean arse or any sort of reference to sanitation at all. I don't think so No police eventually caught up to Pigot

But found that the blood had come from a bite on the hand that he had received after he'd attempted to help a woman Having a seizure in the middle of brick lane We may always walking down the street falling down and flopping around fish And that's why you can't trust them and that's why you can't be with them It's nothing. I like better than me and my body Greg and we sit and we kiss each other I got no reason for a woman. Oh my body Greg's got the best body I've ever seen on a woman except for him being a man What but you helped a woman, huh? Oh

Oh, yeah help the woman I did she bit me like she was some kind of wolf and I said to a stop shaking around This ain't no kind of hobby my best friend Greg would never lie around shaking around He would come home make me dinner and make love to me so deeply and tenderly that we don't even think about women Hey, no woman always flopping around Yeah, it's a man's man the man's man and so after they discovered the seizure incident Pig it was ruled out as a suspect police also Finally caught up to Jack Pizer aka leather apron from the first episode But he was ruled out as well as he had been busy watching a building burned down during the murder of Annie Chapman and ironclad alibi

You know people complain about having to stand up and turn the channel from their television if they lost their remote You literally had to change channels by running down the street to see the house birdie and then running back to see the corpse Damn it. It's a repeat a bunch of babies died in one last week That is a sad show, but good entertainment for the people that it's like this is us Yeah, now after the Annie Chapman murder W. T. Stead of the liberal newspaper the pole mall Gazette First brought up the possibility of the killer being a decadent aristocrat similar to the Marquis de Sade Stead had written a pamphlet in 1885 supposedly exposing child prostitution rings run by e-centers

But funded and used by members of the upper class So it wasn't a stretch in Stead's mind to pass the Ripper murders up the line to the wealthy I gotta say I love this guy Stead. Yeah, right? I mean he's busting the pedophile rings that probably royalty are you know just funneled up all the way to the Queen and the King I mean it's disgusting is that was also sort of a tabloid They were liberal because they were working the their idea was they were against the aristocracy and the and the upper class And so a lot of it it also sold newspapers new newspapers. Oh, hmm. What have I become? It's sad. I'm turning into my fucking mother

So yes, it also sold newspapers Because people were interested in seeing people trash the aristocracy because it's fun It's fun to say that they're a bunch of perverts and maniacs because we already know that about a for fact Yes, yeah, of course. Well, I mean this was also a double-edged sword though the pamphlet targeted in particular the music halls of the east end Which were oftentimes fronts for brothels meaning that when these music halls were shut down These women were sent out onto the streets to be victims for Jack the Ripper And these music halls wealthy members of the upper cross to the west end would travel to get their jollies and quickly return to their posh Residences across the river and so since the aristocrats were the ones supporting prostitution in the east end

Then it followed in Stead's mind that the aristocrats must now be the ones murdering those same prostitutes And the thing was the aristocrats loved the possibility that Jack the Ripper was one of their own I made yeah, yeah I mean it made them feel like they were a part of the story right, but that I mean It's very telling that they identified more with the fucking murderer right then with the victims They loved that one of their own might be Jack the Ripper It's kind of interesting because they would sit in these salons and they would all guess who did it and it was like this fun game For them of like they got to like do a little mystery and also in the brothels and music houses also called Dolf houses

Which is kind of fun. I don't know why I thought that was fun They had a constant character in their sketches called champagne Charlie Which was the idea of a guy showing up spending a bunch of money and then basically sleeping with prostitutes and then going back to the east end It's a bit of the back to the west end. It's very interesting to see and they love that They did that for them because these rich guys would show up me like And they're all like laugh and cheer and stuff while he's just stabbing prostitutes all night and they're just like oh, this is just collateral Collateral damage for the story. Yeah to make a good story. Yeah, and you change though with that

Oh, absolutely not now the aristocrats would be up in the upper decks While all the EastEnders would be down on the ground So they could you know look literally look down on them. So this was their sort of hometown hero Yeah, Jack the Ripper he'd become that yeah And so it was from the speculation of WT stat along with with the aristocratic class actually Wanting the Ripper to be one of their own that we get the modern vision of gentlemen Jack swooping down on the East End like a vampire to murder as he pleased and Speaking of vampires, this is I found this very interesting

Just as Ed Gein inspired Robert Block to write Psycho even if he says it didn't Jack the Ripper inspired Bram Stoker in Dracula particularly the aristocratic angle as Dracula is after all Account so is Jack the Ripper the first media sensation easy when it comes to serial killers Oh, yeah, well, that's why he's the big he's the biggest because he's the first I mean he's like the job. He's the Johnny Apple seed of Serial killers sure cuz a lot of it they made up stories about it and then the end it said because we don't actually know who did it You can jam whatever conspiracy theories and theories that you want into it and it holds and it just builds up the Jack the Ripper idea He becomes like a symbol not just a man like in Batman from the Dark Knight

Oh, that's correct Now the fact remained that the police were not any closer to finding a suspect after the Chapman murder than they were After the Nichols murder and so Commissioner Charles Warren decided to assign someone full-time to the murders a one chief inspector Donald Swanson the police had also stepped up their patrols in Whitechapel along with the Whitechapel citizens themselves setting up vigilance committees And all of this effort to not only solve but also to prevent further murders made the night of September 30th 1888 all the more terrifying for it would be on that night the Jack the Ripper would take not one But two victims within less than an hour of each other Can you imagine this any excuse to get a group of cockney assholes together?

With a motive, right? It is that must be terrifying just all these swinging guys walking down the streets with buckets being like We'll kill you if you touch you and just like screaming at prostitutes I guess and if you were among the groups, it's fun Oh, yeah anybody outside of the group is not having a good time a vigilante group Yeah, yes to kill someone who is killing your best prostitutes or sex workers I absolutely get that's a great time and a good I'm I'm gonna go on to say what's that? No, no disrespect to the victims, but I don't think they were the best prostitutes I think the best prostitutes lived. I think they were because they were caddies. They're like cats

They can dig you know, they got spider sense. Oh, I don't think that I don't I've never heard of women of the night having spider sense before It's a strange thing for them to have but okay Well, those vigilance committees, you know the vigilante groups in England were nothing new by the time Jack the Ripper came around They were usually put together to prevent what they called quote rowdy ism Fifteen drunken men Empowered with what they believed to be a good cause Deputized horrible now Elizabeth Stride Aka long Liz was born Elizabeth

Gustaf's daughter in Torslanda, Sweden in 1843 and moved to London in 1866 after a prostitution arrest Three years later. She married John Thomas Stride and changed her name Now her name was long Liz because she was like five foot five. She was five foot five. Yeah, so it was a time that was huge But it wasn't one of those irony like I get called shorty sometimes. It's not ironic. No, it was not ironic It was just because she was like half a foot taller than the average woman at the time Oh, well, yeah, so the two separated in 1877 Liz and John Thomas and Liz fell into the same vicious cycle of drinking Prostitution in common lodging houses that most of the Ripper victims had succumbed to at the ends of their lives

The night she was killed Stride was seen by two laborers who spied her Sheltering from the rain in the doorway of the bricklayer's arms pub with a man the suspicious couple as police called a prostitute and a Client were getting down to brass tacks when one of the laborers shouted watch out. That's leather apron coming to get you Please please come and hold me This is a horrifying world Yeah No, it's unlikely that this man was the Ripper as Stride would be seen with a different man later that night But it was nonetheless prophetic although it is probable that men yelled this type of shit constantly at prostitutes that autumn

The bar there were rooms called the bricklayer's arms the bricklayer's arms pub Nothing says comfort like the bricklayer's arms Covered in cuts Can we just have one nice restaurant, please or one pop doesn't sound like murder as a prostitute in 1888 I would rather be yelled at no stride was claimed to have last been seen at 11 45 p.m. By a man named William Marshall who said he saw stride being kissed by a man who told her before the two walked off together You would say anything but your prayers Is that a joke?

It's supposed to be sexy. Oh, I think it. Yeah, it's like you would say anything What's your prayers? It's disgusting. It's not. It's not sexy You would literally say anything for a dollar You you street monster Let's have me have sex with you. Well, that's the worst thing I ever heard No, if that man was indeed the Ripper and he probably wasn't because that line is way too smooth for a serial killer And at 1 a.m. No, that's a smooth like can you not a smooth line? Can you imagine a Henry?

Could you give me a delivery of how Richard Chase would sound delivering that line? I've heard you've got guts Is it true? Well, that's a little romantic But I think the eyes are a door to your fucking brain Well, that's inappropriate In any case at 1 a.m. Jack the Ripper led Elizabeth stride to the yard outside the Jewish socialist club on Burner Street There in the dark. He pulled her close by the long silk scarf

She had tied around her neck held his hand over her nose and mouth and deeply slashed her throat from left to right Just below the line of the scarf killing her instantly But before Jack could mutilate earth like the rest he was interrupted by Lewis deem shoots The steward of the Jewish Socialist Club who was returning from a long day selling cheap jewelry at Crystal Palace and as deem shoots Turned his pony and cart into the yard the pony shied away at something in the darkness and stopped short Deem shoots look closely, but all he could make out in the dark was a bundle lying on the ground He tried to lift it with his whip But when he found the bundle to be too heavy for a simple poke

Deem shoots got off his cart struck a match and briefly saw Elizabeth strides body laying on her left side Her head inches away from the wall before the wind blew out the light And I want to clarify it was great jewelry Not cheap jewelry it was just a spare it was good price jewelry My good, but at the same time what is cheap jewelry in whitechapel? It wasn't really just like this one don't got blood on it Oh, I like this one. I didn't fish this one out of the ass of a corpse this morning. I normally do Good store

No, some speculate that the yard was dark enough that the killer may have been hiding in the shadows behind Deem shoots just a few feet away as Elizabeth strides body was being discovered But Jack the Ripper once again got away when Lewis went inside the club to fetch a candle Either way the Ripper had not yet achieved his goal for the night because the Ripper was a product killer Meaning the kill was nowhere near as important as what he would do with the dead body itself In fact, that's why he killed the body. He that's why he killed his victims as fast as humanly possible. Yeah, right Yeah, in fact with many product killers the kill itself is the least enjoyable part of the entire process Jeffrey Dahmer the Definition of a product killer said that the kill was more of a chore than anything

The real fun for them began after the kill was over and done with can I ask you a question? Do you think it is actually fun for them? the actual Playing around with the guts and ripping it out and all that and I know it's like childlike fun Like Richard Chase had childlike fun, but that was also because he was completely totally insane. Yeah Jeffrey Dahmer it was just the really the only way he could come right where it's like that was the only way He could feel anything because he had total control over them. Andre chickatello It was the only way he could have an orgasm. Mm-hmm. I wonder if it's fun. I think some of them do have fun

I think BTK had fun. Yeah. Yeah, I mean the biggest assholes have fun. I think well, you know, it's not playing the game That's fun. It's the victory celebration And I think that's what you're supposed to tell little eagles What you know the game is work, but the fun is when you celebrate all the hard work So the the game in this case would be the murder and then the fun would be the the ticker tech parade made of guts Now whether it was fun or not Jack hadn't had his fill that night So he moved west out of Whitechapel into the city of London proper and quickly ran into Catherine Eddow's Whose murder while not as gruesome as the ripper's final victim would be the most bizarre

No earlier that night on September 30th Same night as Elizabeth Strides murder at 8 30 p.m. Catherine have been found surrounded by a crowd Barely conscious in a doorway at 29 old gate high street so blackout drunk She wasn't even able to walk and we don't really know why there was a crowd all Surrounding her just kind of pointing just the town drunk has gotten drunk again and everyone makes you know Everyone has one of those days in Wisconsin Now feast your eyes I got my skirt. I ain't got time to use my hand I am a human squirrels nest there are five live squirrels inside of my vagina. That's a good show

Yes, I mean that's you just and everyone who is mildly less drunk takes solace in knowing that that will be them tomorrow night Yeah, yes now the two constables who found Catherine Eddow's dragged her 15 minutes away to Bishop's Gate police station Where she was booked in on a drunken disorderly charge a few hours later at 12 15 a.m She was awake and singing the jailer asked her for her name and Catherine gave him the fake name Mary Kelly using the common name Mary and the last name of the person she had been involved with for the last seven years John Kelly Mary Kelly in a ridiculous Coincidence just happened to be the name of Jack the Ripper's final victim and in another coincidence Eddow's was released from jail at 12 45 a.m

Right as the Ripper was claiming the victim that came right before Catherine. Oh my god So he now he's on his third kill of the night. This is the second second kill. So this is his berserker mode. You would say Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, we obviously wasn't satisfied because he didn't get the guts the last time and so now He's looking to complete the job and he's probably pissed right because it's like one like that's what you're gonna see to the rage That comes out. It's like what happened with BTK when the other guy was claiming to be BTK You see this sort of like weird like I will have control over human beings. It's a superiority complex, right, right? Now Eddow's was last seen walking towards Miders Square with a man who witnesses who claimed to have seen him described as

5 foot 9 of medium build with a fair complexion and a small mustache and having the appearance of a sailor What does it mean that he looks like a sailor? He apparently because they keep saying that he looks like a sailor He had a pack that sailors often wore when they were offshore. Ah Well, then everybody in Williamsburg is also a sailor sailor. They all dress like that Now at 1 30 a.m. PC walk-ins of the city police had passed the southeast corner of Miders Square and later reported that it had Been deserted he turned on his heel and walked in the opposite direction continuing his beat and missing the murder by Minutes the ripper took Eddow's to the darkest part of the square

Later down on the pavement and looming above her once again cut the throat deeply in one swift motion from left to right He then began to work on the body He cut down the center of the torso starting at the sternum Going around the navel to the left side then coming back to the right around the vagina He then ripped open the wound to the right and removed the intestines setting them over her right shoulder but this time he cut away two feet of those intestines and Deliverately placed the piece between her body and left arm He then opened the flap of skin on the left side and cut the peritoneal lining

Exposing the kidney he cut it out and removed the kidney before cutting out the womb and removing that as well Then he began an act that was almost ritualistic Not just satisfied with mutilating her body. He then moved to her face First he cut off her nose down to the skull He then made two vertical slits through the eyelids and made two upside down V shaped incisions under both of her eyes He then slashed away almost at random making eight more cuts to her face Removing one of her ear lobes in the process

He then took the uterus and kidney and disappeared. He had done all of this in less than 15 minutes Damn, I mean it seems like this guy. He made a Picasso out of her in some disgusting way It doesn't seem like he's organized though, does it? No, no, it seems so random what he's what he's choosing to slice and whatnot It is very similar I think you're right dog meat with the idea of him being Richard Chase or being very similar to Richard Chase and the idea There's obviously some he's psychotic the idea of cutting They did a section of intestine out and like putting it in between her arms and shit like that is some kind of please playing Yeah, he is like literally like in the mind of a child playing with this stuff like super curious

Which is that's got to be that that's got to be something. He's got to know what he's looking for at that point He knows to cut the lining He knows to go grab the kidney that way and unless he's building a very macabre Mr. Potato head and wherever he lives I don't think that what he's doing is necessarily of sound mind Yeah, it doesn't seem like what a doctor would do. They take great pride in very precise incisions and things right? He's ripping open and but he is also knowing he knows exactly what to look for and he knows where to look for it Yeah, and this woman Catherine Edo's she was found by PC walk-ins as he was coming back on his beat to inspect a coal hole That he had forgot to inspect earlier. Yeah, it's definitely still black

Now and when walk-ins found her he blew his whistle causing police to come running from all directions But not a one of them noticed a man moving in the opposite direction As he was most likely wearing a cloak to cover his blood-soaked hands and that is where we will leave Jack the Ripper For this episode running away in a cloak. Yeah, we'll come back with next week with the message the letters and of course Mary Kelly well if they were to just knock him over they would see under his top hat He'd have a couple of kidneys under there, but you know, it's also interesting We also described him. I think he wore one of those Sherlock Holmes They called it a deer stalker hat a lot of witnesses say that yeah

He wore a sure or a lot of witnesses say that they saw a man wearing a deer stalker hat around the murders Hold on Sherlock Holmes did all this? Sherlock Holmes he did cocaine The best part about the deer that hat is you don't know whether you're coming or going. That's a good you got a beard Yeah, and you if you're bald you can put eyeballs in a mouth paint them on the back of your head really shocked people Backwards man. Oh my backwards man. They wouldn't let me don't know me cuz I said I was too simple Like a character from Nightmare Before Christmas Man what a horrible place white chapel must have been yeah, well doesn't sound like this was the good old days for white chapel

I'm sure they had some fun times Well, yeah, I'm certain that there was a blast I'm sure there was times when you're all singing the songs about like singing songs about how your shoes shoes shoes are filled with barley Whatever their fucking did their bar songs that they have like, you know I'm slapped my mother last night, so I don't have to slap her again till next Tuesday Of course those are nice. Yeah, and of course there was beat the clock which is over there the Brooklayer's arms Pub where you had to beat the clock and you got free drinks, you know if you did that is fun Yeah, that's fun. Oh, it's so yeah, so it's you know what again. It's like wherever you are

You are there you know me it's like wherever you are you are there and it's about having fun Make make fun with what you got. I would love to see spring break in white chap Just all the FSU girls all the UW all the UW Madison gales Just out there in white chapel Just getting trashed just getting and getting covered in cats blood. Oh, what's in this pie? I'm a vegan. What's in the pie? Okay, I found as many eyes as I could but I kept squishing him with my numb hands my hands are numb Babe, let's get out of here Oh my god, all right great research great episode. Thank you guys so much for listening

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