Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 264: L. Ron Hubbard Part IV - Sea Org

Episode Date: April 1, 2017

On the conclusion of our L. Ron Hubbard series, we cover the shadowy arm of Scientology known as Sea Org as well as the various punishments Hubbard put people through, plus his "film career" and just how David Miscavige took control of the whole organization. Digital Lemonade Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Oppressive Gloom Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left You know what almost makes me um like it almost makes me sad is That I don't think in any time ever Elron Hubbard ever got to sit and just watch Dawson's Creek. No, I never did like I wonder what it would be like for Katie Holmes To kiss me hear me like he's never like listened to Paula Cole No, it's like I remember that summer. He's no James Vanderbeek. That's for sure. I love the Vanderbeek So you just upset that he didn't Elron Hubbard never experienced 1997. I'm just saying he's never had a one-tree hill moment Exactly. There was a great just a girl outside of the spring dance. It's a great time for television shows

It was all like scenic Suburban things one tree hill Dawson's Creek All right, we got Elron Hubbard part four and then we're done with this guy get away Oh my god, but it has been a fascinating day. Absolutely amazing So when we last left Ron, he was mulling the possibility of escaping to sea But before he sailed away into the wild blue Hubbard would release a policy letter that became the foundation of Scientology's most nefarious activities Keeping Scientology working. Now the only other person I know that escaped to sea was David Crosby

Who has a worse body Crosby or Hubbard? When he escaped to sea in like a Margaritaville escape to sea like he went to just like listen to nothing about that like Ceiling swim going and they just like a drink rum straight and screamed at each other They had a great time. They tried to die, but they didn't so they had to come back to land Well KSW one as it's called in Scientology speak is a ten-point plan concerning the exact application and preservation of the standard tech in Dianetics and Scientology tech being the goofy terms and methods Scientologists use in their day-to-day and it's normally happens in any nerd society

Well, we learned about Omsh and Riccio is that this is when El Ron decides to like laugh He wants to make it serious and so when he's now he's peaking on paranoia or what we at this moment think is peaking on paranoia because we're gonna find out later on he goes far More insane, but he's like we got to keep this ship together. They're attacking me from all sides Deepen while they're working in their little compound in England. They are at this point It was just an innocent like a bunch of nerds in jumpsuits yelling at ashtrays and having a nice time like making families Just I haven't to be peaceful learning about themselves But now he wants to make sure that everyone will stay loyal always so created KSW one

Which is gonna be the thing that makes Scientology one of the most dangerous cults in the world Mostly because of the fact that they are a legal religion now Yeah, so that makes it even more dangerous. Well now at this time They were under attack though. Australia has banned them and things like that, right? Australia has banned them England is on their way to banning them and when we say Scientology is dangerous We don't mean physically dangerous. They're not like Omsh and Riccio physically dangerous. They are legally dangerous They are mentally dangerous these guys have the ability to destroy lives and that's what they do and that's the danger of Scientology Yeah, they're not like I'm not worried. No, I'm not worried in no way

But they're not like scarecrow like super villain from Batman dangerous, you know, they're not trying to poison the entire city or anything Well KSW one is to what gets them close to that. Yeah now when a person is introduced to KSW one It essentially means that person is moving from the realm of curiosity Into the actual world of Scientology It's the beginning of the all-or-nothing face of the religion and the rules are vague enough to justify just about any Action like the Constitution Basically Yeah, are you a strict KSW one or are you are you keeping Scientology working?

That's just KSW for you and that's my problem with both of you fucking MJP and I'm looking at you be GK All right, because I think you guys are suffering from severe com lag because you've not been flying your roots hard enough You're not clearing your roots. I've been clearing my rude. I cleared my rude this morning in your arc cycles I'm just saying you're not I know for a fact. You're not flying your roots because I can see it in the way when you're suffering classic. I'm use what You're not finalizing your TRs because I finalize my TR, man. I Promise you I've been doing but I've been hard enough. You don't want it enough I've been drinking nothing, but Yogi get regular tea. Hey, my roots are clear. I'm all I'm done

I can't imagine your crudes. You're fucking horrible. I should call them crudes when they're on you flappy bottoms But KSW is really very dangerous. Yeah, let's go through the ten tenets of KSW one Having the correct technology Which means spending money for the courses that you could get through Scientology This is what I'm getting this. This is like your third level class. You've already been doing TRs You've been sitting you've been you've been yelling at stuff. You've been staring at each other You've been doing bulbating, but now it's like, okay, you're right. So that's a taste

Okay, so that's a little bit of what you need to know in order to be super strong Yeah, and by the way this one of the things about Scientology that really works for them is repetition is They every time you do a course you have to essentially Redo all the courses that came before thereby maximizing the amount of time that you were doing Scientology and thereby Maximizing how much money you spend on Scientology. So after you're introduced to KSW Every single time you get to a new level you have to redo KSW all over again Yeah, you have to do the whole course everything you've ever learned and then when they do the fun shit later on is that when they Keep rewriting it when they say oh, we've learned new information now. You've got to go back and do it again. All right number two

Knowing the technology that means passing all of your your sec checks got to go through a study tech properly You have to clear all your words. No emus Three knowing it is correct That means you get floating needle. You clear everything. Yeah, that's how you know solid. You have a solid clear salient gaze that cannot be broken no matter how many people call you a shill or yell about your Unitard you cannot break even though you've spent a long time ironing your Unitar Oh, they all seem like the same thing to me just reword it. Yeah It might be an SP

just You're being a PTS and I cannot be connected to you for Teaching correctly the correct technology that means becoming an expert auditor and you've now passed the various It's like the TR courses and the HRC courses and then the OT courses once you're in OT courses That's when you're properly learning how to audit yourself because now it's you yelling at yourself in a mirror Testing yourself on the emeter until you got a floating needle. So now I'm the ashtray Five applying the technology that means going out running the tone scale on strangers

That you see in the street being able to jump over trash cans without using your hands like extreme walking Streamwalking six seeing that the technology is correctly applied and that's when it starts getting sinister Yes, because that's about ratting out your co Scientologists that's what you see people connected to PTS's potential trouble sources, which is normally means they had a cold Which means you know somebody bad So you that's why you've got a cold because you allowed yourself to have a cold You have to you have to wrap people out if they're not doing the work, right? Because that's what everybody becomes an informant So you snitch on people with sniffles. You're a snipple stitch

What's wrong with having the sniffles seven hammering out of existence in correct technology This is where it gets a little like what? This is where Basically your your concept here is anything that's not Scientology is it can be completely and totally destroyed and at will Anything and anybody that is not involved in Scientology eight knocking out incorrect applications That's squirreling that's squirrel busting anybody who takes this good this stuff outside of Scientology outside of the little rooms

It goes out. It's like and tries to teach it on the street, which I understand We all want to yell at ashtrays. I mean I smoked for 13 years And I was like I'm mad at what it did to me. Look at Marcus. Look at his teeth No, they look good. Well, now I understand the homeless in San Francisco. They weren't schizophrenic They were Scientologists, and they were just screaming at cars to move slower nine closing the door on any possibility of incorrect technology Well, now we're getting repetitive now Now we are well

Then 10 closing the door on incorrect application But that's the thing here is that these little subtle differences They make them just different enough where Elrond can get super pissed off if you Confuse any of these terms, but we'll get into that part of it later on Yeah, I don't what is the technology they're talking about technology is the the words that they use the emeter all of that It's all the techniques. They just call it that they call it the tech the technology call it tech because it makes it sound fancier Yeah, you're trying to sell it to quote-unquote very intelligent people Which what we talked about with old machinery ko2 is that these are very smart people these are people because you have to be

Very smart to believe that you could to get this far to to apply that much imagination and commitment You had to have already have been through or could go through medical school because essentially you're looking at a medical school textbook filled with Nonsense. Yeah, you know what? I'm over calling these people smart and with um Shinrikyo They just fell in love with a guy who could levitate because of explosive diarrhea I mean this I think they're actually very maybe they're book smart, but there has to be something dumb in their minds I think they want to believe that there is some sort of answer out there That's what we talked about in the second episode is that they want there to be some sort of higher being but they've convinced themselves that for some reason Christianity

It's all stupid that's what stupid people do, but Scientology that yet is for intelligent people That is for people who have a good head on their side I guess this man who looks like a human alligator with a silk shirt on that I can kind of see his nipples through He knows what's going on And there's plenty of people that got to this point and then got rid of it because right was I think it was Penelope Cruz got to this point and when they say like that to get rid of all incorrect technology That also includes other religions So they tell you that if you practice Scientology you can only practice Scientology

You cannot practice any other religion besides Scientology and Penelope Cruz is a committed Buddhist and she was like yeah I can't be a Buddhist anymore. What the fuck you Scientology? I thought you were gonna say Penelope Cruz loves sublime and they won't let her listen to it anymore because that's That is that is not fandom. That is a religion if you want to get Join the church of sublime, but this is also that's a very That's a big tenet of chaos magic. Well, it's called deprogramming So he took that from left-hand magic the idea of you have to but the problem with chaos magic It's to free you

Scientology it's to limit you it's a me that you could do only this it's chaos magic You want to get rid of all connections to any other religions because then you're free to do whatever it is you want with your mind and Believe whatever it is that you want with Scientology. It's just that that's all bullshit This is the only thing that will save you give me your money and this is so this is what Elron wrote about In the big document of KSW We're not playing some minor game in Scientology It isn't cute or something to do for lack of something better the whole agonized future of this planet every man woman and child on It and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now and in

Scientology, this is a deadly Serious activity and if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance Remember, this is our chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past Don't muff it now because it seems unpleasant or on social to do seven eight nine and ten do them and we'll win No sporting championships, but maybe a pie eating contest Elron I followed you there now. Can you now did you say don't muff it? Listen to this other paragraph I found in KSW. That's like this. So this is a part of the idea of making Scientologists serious soldiers

The finest organizations in history have been tough Dedicated organizations not one Nambi Pambi bunch of panty ways dilettantes have ever made anything It's a tough universe. The social veneer makes it seem mild But only the tiger survived and even they had a hard time We'll survive because we are tough and are dedicated and when we do instruct somebody properly He becomes more and more tiger when we instruct half-mindedly and are afraid to offend Scared to enforce we don't make students into good Scientologists and that lets everybody down when Mrs. Paddy cake comes us to be taught turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed

Dedicated glare and she'll win and we'll all win humor her and we all die a little the proper instruction attitude is your hair So you're a Scientologist now. We're going to make you into an expert auditor no matter what happens We'd rather have you dead than incapable So it's like a am I a Nambi Pambi? I don't want to muff this Mrs. Paddy cake is wandering in there, you know from the character from Susie's shortcake was a strawberry shortcake strawberry shortcake Knock off strawberry shortcakes. Did you get Susie shortcake a little pie? So you take shape princess woman get her in there having her scream and astray's until she's malnourished

No, you keep mentioning screaming astray's over and over like explain to people what the screaming of astray's is You guys don't understand screaming and astray's about communication It's a part of your TRs the whole point of Scientology What they say is that you're supposed to be able to communicate through matter no matter what? Obstacles anybody like who's coming at you attack is you're part of it That's bull baiting right bull baiting getting insulted all the time So you stop having reactions to people attacking you so that you're a you have that dedicated glare that Laffy talks about all the time Yelling at astray's is about commanding an astray up. It's not intent

It's by using your intent to make somebody do anything There's ideas that when you hit tone 40 you could tell someone to jump over bridge and they'll do it But what it is is screaming an astray in a clothing chair. Yeah, but I think it's a good thing to use with toilet seats You don't have to touch them. You just get up Put the lid down. Thank you Put the lid back up Penis P Thank you

Honey, you need you to pee. Honey, you pissed all over the toilet seat again My penis wasn't listening. I had a calm lag with my penis now Marty Rathburn the the piece of shit from my Scientology movie He came out and so he said that people made fun of the astray drill and this is what he says This drill has been criticized and misunderstood as quote unquote yelling out an astray In fact, the student does does speak toward an astray and then raise his voice at it Yes But the purpose of the drill is to stop outside of the physical universe mechanics of sound so as to distinguish and perceive

Intention as something separate from the intentions cone-quote carrier wave the voice having earlier experienced nonverbal transmission of intention while playing basketball The concept was real to me after several hours of communicating attention to a material object I developed a keen perception of the intention I was able to project separate and apart from the carrier wave the sound waves issuing from my mouth. See so you're yelling at the astray I just I have to say it again Carrier wave well, that's interesting Marty is the guy who defected from that my Scientology movie from with the Englishman As the as the host but now Henry you don't like this guy. You think he's I think that he's a part of the problem. He was a part of the their police force. Yes

He was in the hole. He punched people in the face Yes, he's a villain and then he only got out because they turn against him once he was to scare declared an SP by David Miscavige That's when he decided to leave because up until then he was big boss, baby He was boss, baby. Hey cuz you know what? Scientology will say for definite cookies are for closers Never quote any Alec Baldwin is the is he the biggest hack in Hollywood? I believe so. I don't want to talk about it. So let's go back to 1967 when KSW was put into place with these policies

Firmly enforced in Scientology Elrond set himself up as the only person in the world who can save you and yours bought a few boats dubbed himself the Commodore and founded Sea org Now what Colts like to do what we've talked about many times is that they isolate you they keep you Away from your family and so think about this all of this horseshit that I we have just talked about in terms of the KSW and yelling an asterisk

What a better way to make a bunch of people believe in that by keeping them captive on a boat right if they can't get off Yeah, with their passports locked in a safe. Yep. Yep I mean it's like when you're on a cruise line and you have to laugh at the comedian, but you know he sucks But you're just like we're here Because you're all trapped in there a cruise is just a floating Overlook hotel. It's all trapped in there. You've always been there a floating toilet is all they are Sea org was and still is the elite of Scientology It's where you go to learn all the highest levels and during the late 60s and early 70s

It was the only place you could go to learn directly from Elrond Hubbard get the fresh Gnocchi's from Mario Patelli himself in 1966 Hubbard quote-unquote resigned as President of the Church of Scientology as the organization organization was by then in his words Established enough to be run without him at the helm sailing on the flagship Apollo formally the Royal Scotsman Hubbard would do quote-unquote research and teach intensive courses among other activities Here's an example of one of those courses actually recorded on the flagship Apollo All right now the PC at that moment where gave an aspect of relief and looked well He would say that's good

You understand he has to be an OT3 or this sort of thing wouldn't be happening You don't run this on people below that level you kill them Oh, oh, he says yes. Oh, that's great. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh God And you say all right good. That's fine. Thank you very much and let him take it up himself Now he's going to go on the basis that they all blew and I got news for you on a cluster. They don't always all blow They're 15 of them left It looks so spectacular to see is such a mass and disintegrate and so many of them leave

But There might be some still around Now you have to finish running the n-gram out to that degree and run incident one on each separate one of them I may go but gone gone gone gone cleans it up because the funny part of it is is let us say Couldn't talk see and then you found this instance you dated the thing you got some substance of what it was all about And all of a sudden you got this Gone, you know Oh, yes, you go say well, that's natural. No, it isn't natural. That's the 10 or 15 you left

The n-gram the n-gram remaining with those two do you follow? He sounds like a dick Tracy villain whose only weapon is just like burping buttons off his shirt And then he just pegs people in the eye with them. I mean that is he clear you gumshoe Yeah, gumshoe thinking you beat me. I turned my clothes in a weapon What is that Is that him just clearing his that is him being an engaging public speaker He sounds like human flam Shane Morton actually blew my mind because I was like talking about reading these documents and listening to his speeches all the time

Shane is the Makeup artist on pretty face, right? Yes, and he was the first person who ever gave me the biggest secret right like he taught he turned me on to David Ike back in the day like maybe like six years ago now And so he was like we I was talking about I'm getting to reading all these Scientology documents and listening to him speak And he's like well you have to never get into the rhythm of the way these guys talk I don't think well. What are you talking about? It's like all holy books Dianetics and Scientology books included are written like echolalia. They're written like you're speaking in tongues

And it's a hypnotic rhythm like you're like stuck in this thing with him Like when you listen to him talk nonsense and all of a sudden you're you get you catch the rhythm like Gloria Stefon And now you're thinking like him And you're also like batshit crazy people Talking about fucking engrams and running clear and be and flying your roots Yeah, well, that's what I listened to Lauren Hill and by the end of it. I said we got to kill white people And then I'm like oh my goodness, you know, I am one You know you got to you got to catch yourself there. Do love Lauren Hill though. She might not like us, but I like her

Now concerning Elron Hubbard's research Seawork was also the birthplace of Scientology's infamous creation myth revealed at OT3 We all know this but in case you don't the extremely abridged version of the Scientology creation myth that Xenu Sent citizens from the Galactic Federation to earth then known as TGAC to be dumped into volcanoes because of overcrowding and The souls of those people still roam the earth and that's what body things are but in order to really sell OT3 Hubbard took a page from his old Navy Malingeran days and Faked injury once more he told people that in doing the research necessary to break through the wall of fire As he called it. He had broken his back his knee and an arm such was the importance of OT3

And he would just come out of his captain's room Limping like literally be like broke my back last night fighting through the wall of fire Like it's all and they're all like oh Meanwhile covered in filth because it also the Apollo used to be a gigantic fertilizer cargo Ship it was a cattle cargo ship. Oh, that smell lingers an Irish cattle cargo. Whoo They had to so you're talking about how many you know your shits How would they smell like after like two nights of drinking Guinness and not eating these fucking cows? That shit so dark and thick and they would as punishment

Well, technically first it was punishment then it turned into how dedicated are you the first members of seaworth their first jobs Were to get all of the shit out of the chip and Clean the whole thing. See that was a part of their servitude. I'm out of there I'm out of there immediately out of there seaworth sounds good. You're just a you're not a good first mate I'm a horrible first mate. I'm also too big for a ship Now while Hubbard was saying he was traveling the seed to give these courses and do research in reality He was being run out of every country He had tried to set up shop in and figured doing everything from the sea would allow him to continue undisturbed

He would in fact stay firmly in control of Scientology from the Apollo through a series of networks and coded messages to Scientology bases the world over now the first Volunteers for seaworth came from St. Hill in England all were required to sign a Billion-year contract meaning that the person would serve Scientology even in the next life and the life after that and so on and so forth for the next billion years But some people who came to see or a lot of them came there because they were very excited to they said that they felt like the elite They felt like the Marines Going the war but some people were actually sent to see org as punishment. Hey Marcus, you know a billionaire contract

Uh-huh. Yeah, I sent one of those with my cable company. Oh My god, anyway, I'll be working this cruise ship all weekend long Technically you are my prisoners and you will have to laugh at 45 minutes of cable company bits Mary Mary we spent $2,000 to be on this Royal Caribbean cruise when does laughing turn into screaming? Have the shrimp have you tried the shrimp There's a pool on the ship in the ocean. I'm losing my mind. I feel like I'm in the movie inception Billion-year contract. Yeah, I signed one of those with my cable company Also, it's gonna say billionaire contract is what the cast from Big Bang Theory was forced to sign this year. So

Is there another comedian aboard? Do I have to kill the other comedian? I'm just a janitor I'm hoping to make someone laugh and not always just accuse me of sexual assault on the family. Oh bad janitor Sea orc actually started off as what sounded like a bit of a lark in addition to the courses Elron was also sailing under the flag of the Explorers Club once more claiming he was undertaking the Hubbard Geological Survey Expedition well again in a way in flipping it. He told everybody in England We're going to go and take over the world via boats. You guys can hang out like and not say hey I'm under criminal investigation. Also, they're looking into my taxes. Also, there are my family's falling apart

Also, I have an intense amphetamine addiction. I'm taken to I'm leaving. I'm running away How are they gonna take over the world with a poo poo ship? Doesn't make any sense how did two planes nearly destroy the United States of America They ran into a building. You can't even do that on a ship. Yeah. Yeah Now what the Hubbard Geological Survey expedition actually meant was that Elron and Sea Orc were to sail from port to port Looking for gold that Elron had hidden around the world in his past lives For it was only now in this life that he finally had the resources to go and get it all He's like a grandmother who hides all of her money around the house and then has Alzheimer's and then you have to go find

It's a child. Yeah, so you can afford the home. You have to put her in I Love the no-memory bank. Oh, it's so much fun. You don't know those like kids I'm it's like what I lived with Eddie when he was dealing weed and he'd hide money all throughout the house And he just like open up a random book and be like, oh look at this is money I gotta start reading more because I hide all this money in the books So in other words these people were finally joining the great adventurer on one of his journeys and meaning many were Willing to pay any price or endure any punishment in order to come along for the ride Now Hubbard would draw fun little maps for Sea Orc members doc and tell him to go get it

But of course no treasure was ever found for one reason or another Mostly because a lot of the places he was sending them were well explored ruins that were clearly marked in guidebooks of the areas Now now here. Look here. You're gonna go out here in a pontoon boat. I know for a fact I have gold. It's out. We are going to see now. This is going to sound comical It is a rock that looks like a butt You're laughing everyone is laughing, but this is deadly serious It looks like a butt and it's got a lot of times It's covered in birds and it and it's fun to see because it's just it's a big

Oh, it's a big but again, you're laughing at me You're gonna find his butt rock and then and again, you're going to laugh at this There's a hole in the center of the but rock and what I'm gonna need you to do is pull all the mounds and mounds of dirt out of that There's mounds and mounds of it and it's gold somewhere in there. You're gonna have to stick your head in it It's funny you mentioned that Elron. I actually saw a Rick Steve's episode. He travels all around the world You know Rick Steve's nope one of the most successful travelers of all time. He actually found the but rock So I feel it's a famous thing. Yeah. Yeah, he found he found it But rock it with the hole even made a joke about it. No

PC should ever find a but rock without my permission. He'll go legally insane Now Elron would also gather all the Scientologists around at night and tell them stories about his past lives Usually involving him doing something super awesome He once told them a story about how he was a race car driver in the mark have civilization Millions of years ago in a time much like 1950s America except they had space travel Hubbard's interesting. Yeah, but they said that he said everything was exactly like it was in the mark in the 1950s America in the mark have civilization everyone wore fedora's everyone drove cars with big fins only difference space travel I see now Hubbard said he was a race car driver called the green dragon who set a speed record before being killed in an accident

Then he came back as the red devil and beat the record again before being killed in an accident Yeah, but if you if you beat the speed record, but you die at the end of it I don't think that counts. No, he died afterwards. He died in an unrelated accident Oh, okay, okay speed record then it's about being a daredevil You always die of an accident if you're living it as a daredevil, I guess Then he came back as the blue streak and beat the record again before being killed in an unrelated accident So, whoa, just naming his own dookies or something. What is happening here? He then realized in his next life that he was just breaking his own records over and over again

And so he decided to not be a race car driver and you longer and the thing about breaking your own record is yeah You're a winner, but you're also a loser. Yeah, so that sucks. Yeah, I know that's why I stopped He's kind of like America. He's so sick of winning Bored with winning. No, I've heard that we were winning a lot now But the good times were only a small fraction of what happened in Sea Org partly because Hubbard was an unpredictable monster and partly Because nobody knew what the fuck they were doing out there They had no clue how to sail a boat. No, right? So what he would do is he would bring everybody together and say like you're all here on this boat for a reason

You're somewhere in your past lives You knew how to run things on a boat and now what we're gonna do now is run our lives We're gonna run our past lives back so we can find the exact past life that knew how to run the boat And we're gonna ask that past life how to run the boat Yeah, he just walked up to a random person and say you're the captain now and the person that was the captain Oh, but I don't know I'm not a captain I'm a fucking kindergarten teacher and what he would do is he would take them down to the to some secluded room shove an emeter in their face give them the cans and

Do auditing on her until she finally found a spot in her mind Somewhere that had some sort of sailing knowledge is like. Oh, yeah. I remember I was the captain once he's like, okay Good now, you're the captain. Well, you know what? You're the captain. I like that actually Ain't just throw him out there make him. They'll learn. They have to learn. Yeah, that is good delegation And honestly if he had ran the boarders that I was working at in Tallahassee, he could have turned that ship around You know what I mean? But also he remember This is all based on the lies that he ran a ship in the Navy Like he was in charge of a submarine for maybe what was like six weeks. Well, it wasn't a submarine. It was a sub-hunter

He just and he also did set sail kind of when he was in college I mean he tried to make it to Cuba. He just made it to Florida, but he did have some sailing knowledge He's now running a job of a massive a tanker of 3,000 ton ship Different than a pontoon boat with 20 college kids on it. He had a captain So he's just saying shit and again like this is also very culty like specifically where he's telling people to do things Impossibly just to see their dedication to him. So mostly just like if you're just not willing to go all the way I'd rather again. I'd rather have you dead than incapable and because these people were so inexperienced There were almost constant accidents and every time there was an accident Hubbard lost his fucking mind

After one incident in which the Apollo was almost swept into the rocks Hubbard placed the entire ship under a condition of liability Now if you remember from our last episode a condition of liability Came with a tying of a dirty gray rag around a person's arm in this case Hubbard had the crew tie a dirty gray tarp around the ship smoke stack You had to wear your own clothes and not bathe and not clean itself and then you wear the dirty rag And then when they put the rag on the ship, he didn't allow anyone to clean the ship Which also include emptying the tank like the the shit tanks and like a put nothing really good So the whole thing became this like covered in flies

Deflate like it used to be it became a cattle fucking ship again Yeah, it sounds like a ship going into Ellis Island or something, but why is I mean if I'm the ship I'll be like why you punishing me? You know, oh, they did you know how but want to know how far they took it They even tied a dirty gray rag around Mary Sue's corgis collar. Oh leave the corgi alone I didn't know there was a corgi on board that kind of changes everything the fact there's one corgi aboard But that corgi did nothing wrong That's fun He just takes his paws and puts his paws on the emeter be like your captain of the ship now

Corgi the captain of the sea or ship. I don't know if I've ever seen you so tickled man Well, it's just so cute. I didn't know there's a corgi aboard this whole time You know, you tell me that you look at the little feet, you know the long bodies of the nose there cute dogs Yeah, so when accidents kept happening Hubbard started introducing new punishments For example an offender could be locked up in a dark locker for who knows how long their only food served in a bucket Or they could be assigned to chip paint in the bilge tanks for 24 to 48 hours without a break Depending on the severity of the condition horrible. They also got in the habit of just throwing people overboard When they pissed him off which became a daily ritual on the Apollo the name tickles me so much

It's like the saddest thing. I know it's bad, but I know that I would have laughed if I saw people Just thrown overboard. Oh my god. What was it? It was higher. It's a Caribbean. Yeah, did they plank it? Do they make them do the whole walk the plank type? They just tossed them. Now. They died then. No, no, they did not Nobody died. No, no, really. Yeah, because they always they walked up They they called it a gang plank or something like that. They always came back. No one died as far as we know The seal what they would do is the names of the people to be thrown overboard were posted on the orders of the day And it's six o'clock the master at arms would gather everyone on deck Then presided by Hubbard Mary Sue and their kids someone

Sometimes Hubbard's teenage daughter Diana would read off a list of crimes and chant We cast your sins and errors to the waves and hope you will arise a better Thayton Then the person would be tossed out to sea. I just can't stop thinking about the corgi looking at the list Oh Sorry corgi you got to go The corgi the corgi's name was Vixie. Oh Corgi what a good dog Well, of course, you know, it wasn't just young strong people on the ship

There were people that should not have been tossed overboard. There was this one sickly woman Uh, almost 60 years old named Tulia Salmon. She was thrown into the ocean sobbing and screaming because she knew she probably wouldn't make it out alive. She did But Hubbard was later heard by a sea org member making jokes about it for weeks You see how she splashed I just you figured that with her last name being salmon. She would have took to the water much easier It's a freshwater fish Yeah, oh, oh fresh water fish. It just didn't properly fly its roots

He's got a flight and then a freshwater fish can be a trouble. Oh, I see, but I know that for a fact I used to be a saltwater man That's that's disgusting But Hubbard wasn't just throwing people overboard because they were fucking up in their sailor duties He would also do it if people failed at ksw. Namely doing the tech wrong Here's an example of how angry Hubbard could get about fucking up There are a number of laws and actions which go along with assessment There's an entirely different subject

Just as different as pulling up the anchor and slicing lines It's different different subject different different completely completely completely utterly utterly utter There are even years apart in development called listing and nulling listing and nulling This is something listed by the pc listed listed by the pc pc says it It is from a question the auditor asks the question the pc then gives him items What's the auditor then writes down from the pc? This is called listing and nulling listing listing and nulling Nulling nulling listing not assessment not assessment There's something about the way that that's recorded where I feel like we have to go fight the Japanese now

Every time I hear that I'm just like when are we gonna drop the bombs mr. Truman? Yeah, that's what he would do like that entire clip is about like seven minutes long and what he's talking about Is he's talking about the difference between assessment and auditing assessment is looking at someone And trying to figure out using the tone scale where they are on the tone scale so you can audit them So he would have these little differences between Levels and anytime someone would get it wrong. He would absolutely lose his mind Because this isn't it's all about control right It's all about you. I you I will tell you exactly how to do things the exact way you're doing things right and wrong

It's kind of again reminds me of david berg There's a lot of david berg and him and the idea of that like he obviously get that's where he gets his sexual thrills Where he likes the the little minutiae because then he once you create a world of these tiny little rules And you have a bunch of dedicated now essentially slaves on this ship Right react to your every whim like you can just pull that line and make the puppet dance anytime you want And that's got to be very thrilling. I don't think about it No, no, no, no, but the children of god cult obviously david berg that was they there wasn't the rampant sexual abuse and Scientology here on this ship. There's very little sex in science. So it's not

I actually think it's not as bad as children of god in a lot of ways because that was disgusting. No, no, no, no Scientology Sex doesn't really come into it Uh, it's very strange. Yeah. No, it's all about money. Yeah, it's funny everything. It's about money It all came from L run a Hubbard's obsession with money. I'm just saying guys. We've been doing this podcast for many years It's just refreshing. It's refreshing to have a cult It is where sexual abuse isn't rampant and as a further method of control Hubbard developed an oversensitive Sense of smell flying off the handle if a scent wasn't to his liking

He even employed a woman with a sensitive nose as his Sniffer dog. There's a corgi Use the corgi train the corgi He'd use her to root out the offending orders So he'd walk into a room say I smell mildew and then he would make this woman come in and sniff around the room Until finally they found a little bit of mildew that could be removed and finally Hubbard could use the room But of course it was all bullshit because years later

He would end up going to Salvation Army stores to get disguises And it never bothered him one bit that he was wearing all these musty secondhand shirts and jackets It's like a horror movie villain this when you When you hear the sniff You know, she's close Well, I can smell the future Well with elron hubbard there It really was kind of a horror movie for these people because they would see these little ticks because you never knew

When he was not going to get when he was going to fly off the handle and when he was going to let something slide Uh, and they would see these like small little ticks where they all knew like oh, fuck it's common Now compared to the punishments that cults like ohm shin rikio would inflict on people who screwed up namely Straight up murder. All this actually seems pretty tame. You know throwing people overboard. All right. It's kind of fun Yeah, making people chip paint. Yeah, it really sucks. Uh, but That is why Scientology is still going to this day Scientology never went too far with their own members

There are no bodies on Scientology's rap sheet and unlike i'm shin rikio. They never gave an end date, right? No Oh, no. Yeah, so it was in fact. It was in fact. That was the exact opposite. It was eternity. Yeah That's why they signed a billion year contract. It never yeah The whole point of Scientology is that it never ends. It's the exact opposite as all these other cults It's got a mini deadline built in because the idea is that you're supposed to read the top of the bridge, right? You're supposed to get to ot8 at some point But then you just keep making the bridge longer and then or you rebuild the bridge You just go and be like well now we we figured out shit

So we're gonna do it again So that's how you keep somebody forever and also give them the carrot to chase after I honestly though This may be a controversial opinion. Uh-oh But I feel that laffy the reason why he didn't kill anybody was not because he didn't want to is that he was a pussy I honestly think that there was a difference is shoko asahara from on shin rikio was a fucking gangster You know what I mean? Like he was a cult leader, but he was also a fucking Hardcore gangster that was about like we're doing this the hard way. We're bringing about the end of the world So that's what we're gonna do where L run Hubbard all he wanted was money

It was kind of like Charles Manson honestly I feel another similarity to him where I don't think if the if the other people had not gotten so dark He never would have killed he would have just let them out in the desert never would have just kept fucking That's all he wanted to do where L run. Hubbard just wants your money It would have been a great sitcom Manson and Hubbard They're living together, but they don't get along all the time Funny thing was is that Manson was a Scientologist for a short period of time Of course you if honestly if it was too crazy for Charles Manson

That just tells you do not get involved with Scientology. Charles Manson was just broke Oh, he couldn't afford the books and also When the Manson murders happened, I think they were I think the Scientologists were docked in Spain when the Manson murders happened and some Spanish newspapers started blaming the Scientologists for the Manson murders They started spreading the rumor that the Scientologists were somehow involved in the Charles Manson murders Now is the doom buggy cold led by Charles Manson But even though there are no murders on Scientology's rap sheet

That's not to say there is no blood on their hands In 1971 a 23 year old named Susan Meester joined the crew of the Apollo Having been introduced to Scientology by friends in San Francisco She wrote letters to her family telling them they should quote get into Scientology one letter. She wrote said I just had an auditing session. I feel great great great. My life is expanding expanding and it's all Scientology Hurry up. Hurry. Hurry. Be a friend to yourselves. Get into this stuff now. It's more precious than gold So you're saying you feel great great, huh? double great

Every time I've heard someone could say that they feel great great great They normally really do feel great great. Oh, yeah, why because they're on methamphetamine methamphetamine not wearing shoes And they have underwear on their head, but they feel great great great great great, but when her neck, you'll not detain me You'll not arrest me It's one of the best videos ever, but when her next letter came the tone had changed It said I can't tell you exactly where we are We have enemies who do not wish to see us succeed in restoring freedom and self-determination to this planet's people If these people were to find out where we were located they would attempt to destroy us

Uh, that's so far far distance from being great great. That's for sure couple of months. Yeah, it seems like you're paranoid paranoid paranoid Which you can't say in a letter I feel paranoid paranoid paranoid because everybody's trying to get me the triple p and these are only a few months apart Right. I mean it switches fast because he must have been a fun date I don't know because harvard was telling his crew members that they were being attacked by something called the Tenyaka memorial which was an underground nazi movement intent on world domination working in conjunction with the world federation of mental health Now to be fair if that's true That is scary. That would be very scary if it was true

But you imagine if you believe that to be true. I would write a sort of a nerve-wracking letter. Yeah Well, he was very motivated. Yeah, not just that he was also telling them that if the authorities were to capture him Then he would be unable to continue his work Scientology would not spread the world over and there would be social and economic chaos if not outright nuclear war So it was that these people thought that if they fucked up, they would possibly be personally Responsible for the end of the world, which is a fair amount of pressure to put on a person Yeah, and so 10 days after susan meester sent the paranoid paranoid paranoid letter She put a pistol to her head and pulled the trigger in her seaword cabin

And Scientology responded by spreading rumors that she was a former drug addict who had attempted suicide previously And the compromising photos of her had been found none of which were true And what I found is really sad is that they put the corrugated work to cleaning up the blood Oh my goodness, and it's got that little thing around its neck the the dirty rag Also, this is a part of the introspection rundown, which we're going to find out is another very Insidious practices of Scientology, which is they take people that are actually mentally ill Yeah, and they there's a couple of suicides

It will seal up at past Elron Hubbard like normally in the in the later years of Scientology Where there are people that have lost their minds because of the introspection rundown Which is basically they put you isolated in a room while you're essentially having either some sort of like borderline or Uh bipolar breakdown and they're thinking they can Scientology their way your way out of it But you can't because it's fucking illness. Yeah Well, it does seem like a cult that has a philosophy that is kind of conducive to suicide because there is an afterlife Again that billionaire contract. Yeah, I signed one of those with my cable company Um, so it does seem like um, it wouldn't like, you know, some culture like there is nothing else or whatever it might be

But with this one there is if you commit suicide, then you're gonna come back You're gonna come back and come back and come. Yeah, you're gonna come back so you can try all over again Right. Yeah, and like if I would have tried using Scientology some introspective bullshit like this with my paranoid brand of uh bipolar disorder Yeah, I would have lost my fucking mind I was I'm not gonna be able to talk my way out of thinking that the people on the subway can read my thoughts because a metal tube Conducts telepathy better. Well people in the subway can't read anything Honestly, uh mjp, you're pretty close to the truth on that So I don't want to feed the paranoia, but I can't read your thoughts and they don't read us coming for you

They have everything on you. Well, I want to work now. So that's good. He screams his thoughts. They don't read his thoughts. He screams Yeah, I'm hungry I think you're gonna get coffee later with my girlfriend Are you going to get coffee later with your girlfriend? Yes With you reading my goddamn, huh? I mean you're screaming at me Oh I'm laughing to cover the fact that I shouldn't be laughing. Did I say that? So this woman, yeah, she killed herself a lot of other people killed themselves because

Death was preferable to being kicked out of Scientology in this life Well, and that goes with the uh with the negative with the thetons all that stuff, right? Yeah What is it negative? It's better to be dead than be a negative or something Rather have you dead than incapable? Yeah. Yeah, but they uh you're talking about but the paranoia is real here, right? He's been feeding this because they've been getting kicked out of country after country They got kicked out of Rhodesia. They got kicked out of Australia. They got kicked out of Greece They're literally pinging in a triangle formation between various islands in the middle of the Atlantic They have nowhere to go

He's telling everybody that he can't be that that no one will have them and everybody's persecuting them But what he's really trying to do and he started in Rhodesia and then he tried to do in Australia and then Greece is that So I have Elron Hubbard was obsessed with the idea of a Scientology country He wanted to get an entire country to be all Scientologists and which he was king And so he would go to various countries and do these pitches being like will be your national religion We'll come in. We'll fix everybody. We'll train your soldiers. We'll train your bureaucrats. We'll shame your fucking chefs We'll shit. We'll train everybody. We'll make them better. You just got to give me a cabinet position And then I'll and then Elron was like I'll slowly work my way up to president and then take over the whole thing

And for some reason these countries were like Not into it. I can't believe that Shocking yeah England hated Elron Hubbard so much that during a dangerous storm the Apollo was turned away at port These the Scientologists were columns like we have our families and children aboard. We need to dock and it was like Nah, nah, we'd rather you die. Well, I'm sorry Sorry about that. Well, setting out drinking our tea. I'm letting my Adams apple cut this cheese here for my lovely bride Who happens to be my cousin? Yeah, England had declared Hubbard an undesirable alien said that he could never step foot in their country ever again

So these people are being turned away at port Hubbard is being kicked out of countries But to the people on sea org this only fueled their loyalty this only Deared them closer to him and there was nobody on board the Apollo more loyal to Elron Hubbard than the messengers These poor girls, I guess not poor girls because they did great these girls lived a great life on sea org Actually, the messengers came out on top of Scientology better than anybody else. All right And so in 1968 Hubbard formed the Commodore's messenger Organization which started off as a group of girls from the ages of 11 to 13

Who were in charge of delivering verbal commands to staff and students aboard the Apollo There were the first four messages where I think two of them were 11 one was 12 and one was 13 And then later on it went up into, you know, 15 16 year olds These girls were soon trained to deliver messages and Hubbard's exact words and tone of voice And it wasn't long before these pubescent girls were acting with the authority of the leader of one of the world's most powerful cults That's kind of fun if you're an 11 year old girl It's very fun if you're an 11 year old girl screaming a bunch of dudes It's babysitters club if they were dictators. Yeah, that's kind of fun

They also served as Hubbard's personal assistants working in six hour shifts around the clock awaiting his every order Dressing him even following him around the ship with an ashtray to catch his cigarette ash because Elron Hubbard was like a two pack a day chain smoker I don't know about the whole dress in him part. That's my least favorite part of the day I don't think he even popped a bone. No, because this wasn't about sex. No, I know I just don't want to dress Elron Hubbard ever They washed and combed his hair. They massaged his back. They smeared cream that he thought made him look more youthful on his face And they did all this dressed in halter tops and hot pants. Oh, maybe there's something a little sexual in it But I don't know what I don't know what layer. Yeah, I mean these girls all even the ones that defected and said

You know and came out and said like this guy is is terrible. He's a tyrant. He's a monster They all said No sexual impropriety What so ever good to hear? They also said that Elron Hubbard never really fucked his wife either because Elron Hubbard was probably impotent Also when you're on that minute when you're on that much speed He's just he's on speed. He's constantly covered in creams. Like he can't have sex. He's not interested in having sex He sees himself in a mirror, but I honestly every morning you comb this weird man who looks like one of the uh the

Goombas from the super mario brothers movie. Oh, yes It's got that sideways teeth You cover him in cream that he says makes himself look beautiful. Yeah, and he obviously looks like a very scary Soft bodied clown. Yeah. No in front of girls dressed in halter tops and he's like, do I look beautiful? Like he's just well, you definitely uh, you look a little wet So that that okay, that's a compliment. I used to be a salt water man. Now. I'm a fresh water man I have to say wet as the dickens That's a term. I've just dickens are always wet. Well, I'm just I'm happy. We didn't muff it up

Now scientists did try to do a little half-hearted flirty fishing at some of the protocols where they dog But the men of corfu described Scientologist women as quote cacti's who told them they could only sleep with Scientologists, they were married to oh my that was the whole thing is that you could there was no premarital sex and it wasn't like Uh children of god where it started off is no premarital sex and then it just kind of blossomed out from there They kept to that. Well, it doesn't sound like there's a lot of marital sex either to be honest Not a whole sex at all. Everybody's exhausted. Everybody's exhausted. They would talk about that about how like y'all So did it on purpose and see or you can get married

But then it would sort of be like it seemed on accident But it always worked out like this where then they would be put on opposite schedules So the husband and the wife would be one would be working night shifts and the other would be working morning shifts And they would never see each other Yeah, that's a part of the reason why a lot of them's defect is because they fall in love on see or because your Your emotions got to go somewhere you're next to people all the time You know, I mean like you're gonna you're gonna have a work wife and then all of a sudden You just can't see them and they're doing it on purpose. Yeah

And if you try to have children on see or if a woman gets pregnant Then they would pretty much take the child away and have the kid raised in like a Scientology group home Or they would make them get abortions Even though Elron Hubbard was supposedly a thousand percent against abortions if you'll remember from the Dianetics episode Well, that's probably one of their biggest crime are like the thousands of forced abortions that they did It was insane. That's not right. Well, you can always you know, he seems like a kind of guy who would be staunchly pro-life covered in creams Covered by 11 year olds

Yeah, and speaking of the 11 year olds that group of sea cheerleaders became the most Powerful people on the Apollo and the only people that Hubbard felt like he could trust and one of those messengers once asked Hubbard Why he chose young girls as his most trusted confidants and he said he got the idea from Hitler with young people You had a blank slate you could write anything you wanted on it and it would be your Writing yes, and there's no one more trustworthy with a secret than a teenage girl They will not talk to their friends about it. They had no way will they at some point plot your inevitable doom Yeah, yeah

This is the Hitler youth sweet No thing is more sweet and sympathetic than a 12 year old girl. Absolutely. No way through the devil incarnate going through a whole series of changes And as far as why girls were chosen specifically Hubbard said it was because he thought women were more loyal than men I can believe that's interesting Yeah, and also, uh, he kind of went through this there was a guy during this whole time There's got him John McMaster That was like one of the first official clears of the england group that started going around and Talks about Scientology and what it's done for him and he came a little bit of a of a

Celebrity himself and he was Elrond's like right-hand man for a while in the UK but eventually Laffy got upset that he was getting all its attention right and And basically cleared him took all of his cert to you like he pulled his certs Which means you're not clear anymore and then made him clear out shit at the bottom of the the the horse stables on board Of the Apollo and then, uh, that's one John McMaster in his private journal started calling. Um, Laffy faddy He'd like fatty put me on full shit shoveling duty today And it's like so funny, but he hated men but by the end it started he hated women by the end He just like any mail around him. He just assumed wanted his spot, which is completely true

Competition that makes sense. Yeah for him. Yes, because he's uh, he's an insecure tubby man at the end of the day Naturally Hubbard's intensely close relationship to a gaggle of teenage girls caused some riffs between them and Hubbard's family Particularly Hubbard's own teenage daughter Diana. See Diana Diana was a hardcore administrator though Yeah, Diana was cold and calculated. They called her princess Diana. They said that she was she was the scary one of his kids Yeah, there was a that she was the scary one, uh, like there were some others There were the shitty ones and then we'll get to uh, the uh, Quentin here in a second But Diana had pissed off Hubbard somehow and so Hubbard gave one of his girls a message to be delivered But this time he added

Go spit in Diana's face. So the 13-year-old girl hauled off burst into Diana's office who was 18 at the time Spat in her face just as commanded and started screaming at Diana in her father's voice I'm offing it up. I'm offing it up. I know I'm not gonna be patty patty ways. I'm offing it up You didn't fly your rude. Yeah, that's a rude. Assessing. Assessing and nulling Assessing and nulling. Yeah, there were these 15-year-old girls 13 of 15, uh, they would Do impressions of Elrond Hubbard and they would scream at the top of their lungs They would get the the tone of his voice and his exact words They were people everyone was terrified of them

So you're on this gigantic boat out to sea for years and constantly the people that you were most afraid of are a bunch of 15-year-old girls and halter tops and you are a grown man and they're covered in Vaseline like Burt Reynolds and either Striptease or showgirls. I can't remember which one. It's striptease feels good. It feels good between his toes It does. It does. But if you could dress all those girls to sail their moon There are Japanese businessmen that would pay to also be on that boat And I and I and many just like weird men in Des Moines Now the other Hubbard children weren't happy either, especially Quinton who was a teenager in the early 70s See Quinton was described by many of the crew members as quote-unquote

Swishy And as does that mean? And as we know from the last episode as well as the life of John Travolta John Tra! If there's one thing Elrond Hubbard doesn't tolerate It's swishiness Aka homosexuality. That's not right. And this would all come to a head with the Apollo stars, which we'll get into later But despite the unhappiness the Hubbards live pretty good in

In comparison to the rest of the crew Elrond and Mary Sue had state rooms in addition to a suite on the promenade deck off limits to students and crew They had a personal steward as did all the Hubbard children who all had their own cabins by contrast The rank and file lived in cramped roach infested dorms fitted with three tiered bunks So in 1972 things started to go awry for Hubbard Word reached him that while he was docked in Morocco that france was seeking to extradite him on charges of fraud So Hubbard naturally fled as he would do again and again over the years when the heat got turned up And where else would a cult leader flee from the french government? But right here in queen's new york

Oh Forget about it. Oh My shoe. Nice. He goes down. He gets nice moussinelle and some nice Nice It's not little italy you're from queens I wish I could talk Oh god, oh, it's not All right

So Hubbard and an assistant got an apartment not too far away from where we're recording right now For the first few weeks Hubbard did nothing but watch tv taking in everything After being gone from the united states for almost a decade. He never watched any television He had no clue what was happening So he's getting all of this pop culture for the first time like he's literally been like oh look at this This is amazing and then also would sit at night and make his assistants stay up with him And he'd start these monologues while sitting in the apartment And the first thing he started doing was saying like I wish I could have found that gold

I wish I could have found that gold in my past lives and Now he's starting to believe his lies. He's starting to believe that he did have past lives He was hiding gold. He was serious about it. Which doesn't make any sense He then also told everyone in the room that he wrote the prince and that machiavelli stole it from him I'm like getting mad like screaming about it And they'd say his eyes would roll back in his head and he was essentially sort of going into trance Yeah, the prince. Yeah, the prince by machiavelli. Yeah, it's a movie or a tv show It's a book then. Is it like the monsters? Is it like the monsters or is it like uh

So elrond hubbard wrote it, huh? Yeah, no No I heard elrond hubbard wrote it Well, I heard he did so Yeah, well, he spent so much time watching tv because he tended to draw a fair amount of attention when he went outside His hair was long orange and bushy and he was in the habit of wearing a big hat with the brim up Turned a combo that made him look like bozo the clown And as he was so accustomed to being revered by almost every person in sight

It was quite a surprise to hubbard when he walked outside only to be met time and time again by the jeers of a group of queen's neighborhood kids Hey, Tommy, come here. Hey, come here. Come look at this guy. Hey You look like a homeless clown you piece of shit Hey, give me a dollar. Give me a goddamn dollar. We got hey. Hey, Tommy. Look. Oh, hey, look at that Billy, I think a guy's wearing our shoes. Hey, yeah. Yeah, it looks like he's wearing our shoes I'm not wearing your shoes. These are my shoes. I bought them from the thrift store Yeah, but it seems like maybe you wearing our shoes take off our shoes Take off our take off our damn shoes. No, I will not. No. No, you have not flying your roots

You haven't been flying your roots Take off You goddamn shoes Is that a knife? Every nine-year-old in queens Just running that would miss so much fun as a nine-year-old having a good old-fashioned adult victim. Oh my goodness. Yes Now after spending the better part of a year in queens eating fish sticks and burgers while waiting out the french Hubbard returned to his ship and told his faithful crew members that he had merely been inspecting

American orgs and not hiding out from a government trying to duck fraud charges. No, no way Now this fraud investigation may have been the catalyst for the launching of operation snow white In 1973 Scientologists began infiltrating the governmental bureaucracies in 130 countries around the world Particularly the united states and particularly the irs operation snow white was an attempt to either copy or steal documents That didn't shine a favorable light on Scientology or el ron hubbard It was all operated by the guardians office who were in charge of protecting Scientology and at the head of the operation Was mary sue hubbard at least officially it was mary sue hubbard mary sue hubbard does sound like a talking teacup

And she looked like a talking teacup The two main agents in the irs were jerald wolf codenamed silver And michael meisner who for two years stole governmental documents related to Scientology until their plans were foiled by a cleaning lady in 1975 But we'll get into that later. Think about this. They got into our government They flipped people that work for us by going after their personal like what we're going to see now is Scientology what they do Right, they've got pis to dig up bullshit on these people and flipped them classic Now in 1974 hubbard was involved in a terrible motorcycle accident in which he broke his arm and several of his ribs But it turns out that when faced with an actual injury

hubbard was A bit of an asshole Well, they said that was this was a problem, right? Is that the there were people there that were trying to go back through his auditing sessions because technically if you have an accident That means you're close to a pts. You you are you are next to some sort of your potential trouble source Because if you've had a big accident you've been connected to an sp That's the only way somebody who's clear has a physical accident So there was a lot of inner turmoil the time being like well, he needs to be re audited and they're like well

He's l ron hubbard. We can't reaudit l ron hubbard, and they're like well technically according to rules We're not supposed to let him go and so there's a weird of course Dissonance of watching the guy that's supposed to be better than god have a motorcycle accident I do like the idea because you know we've envisioned himself like james dean on the motorcycle going through the winds with wind Blowing in his hair, but he's just a fat guy was just like Yeah, and so they they said that for weeks and weeks and weeks He just sat in a red velvet chair screaming. They said he was like a disagreeable old man He just became a pain in the ass to everybody, but the messengers

They stepped up and by the time hubbard got back on his feet The girls were in firm control over the apollo and hubbard and hubbard's mood had changed for the worst This is when he instituted the rehabilitation project force aka the rpf People assigned to the rpf wore black boiler suits were segregated from the rest of the crew And slept in an unventilated cargo hold on dirty mattresses Their only food being what was left over from the crew meal now Do we have any idea what the corgi is up to at this point? We have no idea what's happening Honestly, it's being groomed the corgi is living a a charmed life. It never went to the rpf. It's completely fine

Also, you're gonna look at this is what they view all people all sp's anybody not in Scientology Should be treated like they believe that anybody who's an sp should be living like that They should be sleeping on dirty mattresses and an old fucking burnt out Uh cargo ship, but worst of all the messengers now had the authority to send whoever they wanted to rpf Sometimes on a total whim Therefore the messengers became even more feared on the apollo than elrond hubbard himself These 11 year old girls about 15 at this point 15. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, they're also in charge That's also the people that buy stuff. So they're also in charge of our television

You know, I mean because all commercials and stuff are built towards 11 year old girls But as hubbard and the messengers were treating their people with more and more contempt He was at the same time trying to reach out to the people at the port cities where the apollo would land and so was born The apollo stars because he said he was like he had spent that year in queens And he decided that watching a whole bunch of tv for a couple of weeks It made him an expert in pop music and modern dance and he had said and I love this He had made important discoveries about the nature of rock music and the need for a strong heavy beat Something like that or something like

Now giving credit where credit is due and that's to the musicians not hubbard who build himself as a quote-unquote Producer the music is actually pretty good kind of good. Like I like it like here. It's got some bossing over to it I mean, yeah, it's a jazz fusion. Take a listen Manically shoveling shit in the basement So It is that flute It's very upbeat considering such sad circumstances that so many of these people lived in well That's you have to put on the smile. You have to put on the gaze. That is all heavy beat, man. Yeah, that's off the apollo

stars album power of source Which was reportedly ordered to be played constantly day and night outside the cashier's office in st. Hill Which I can I could actually see getting all pretty damn fast I can't listen to jazz fusion for eight hours a day and they said that there was constantly disciplinary reports being written up at st. Hill because people would listen to it all the time and they'd eventually Get sick of it. Oh, yeah, pick up the record and throw it down the street or break it I Can't walk like that can't be that fast all the time

So at every port of call that would have them the apollo stars would unload along with a dance troupe Who are dressed about as ridiculously as you could imagine? They wore powder blue french military caps with a gold braided peak and a cloak of the same color Lined with scarlet silk Now this of course Quentin Hubbard You need to be in it on this because he saw this he was like finally my chance He want all he literally wanted to do was dance. Yeah, he wanted to dance and fly planes

It's all he wanted to do and then so finally he showed up and like Quentin Hubbard again He's the boss's kid. So everybody's kind of afraid of him, but he really is just like Twisted his hips around they're like we've never seen anybody move like that before it's kind of like the one the librarian takes the glasses off They're all like, oh Well, everyone described Quentin is like a pretty good kid Like everyone liked Quentin Quentin was not he wasn't like a little monster like some of the younger kids were right He wasn't a cold authoritarian like diana was He was just like some kid who he wanted to dance. He just had two polar opposite passions of flying and dancing

Yes Yep, and he started to rehearse With the apollo dancers when elrond put a damn fast stop to all that saying he had other plans for him and Quentin was so Devastated by this that he staged a half-hearted suicide attempt in which he swallowed a bottle of pills and almost died When hubbard got the message about what had happened He said that as soon as his son was well enough to leave sickbay He would be assigned to rpk duty. Oh, and that's not good duty

No, no, that's that's when you get no, that's not good duty. That's not good You don't want to do the rpk. That's not fun No rpks and one where you have to dress in the black boiler suit and sleep in an unventilated room. Oh, that's not a good time That's a bad time. Huh bad time. It's different. It's technically a step up from your apartment But that's just also how you treat your apartment and yourself and the way that you live No, it's forcing you to do that my apartment That's very nice apartment. I got I got wwe network It's true

Now one group of people who took particular exception to the jazz fusion stylings of the apollo stars were the portuguese When the apollo arrived at a portuguese port a rumor quickly spread that the ship was full of cia operatives And so it's just it's a big dirty barge hanging outside with just a sequin dancers Dancing on the hull of it with this bossa nova music coming out of it and they're all like this seems suspicious I don't know what it is. It seems like they're hiding in plain sight Yeah, so a group of portuguese went down to where the ship was docked and started chanting cia cia and then so the apollo responded by confusingly chanting it back like cia

cia They love us. They like us. They really like us So the portuguese followed that by throwing first rocks at the ship and then bottles So the Scientologists started picking up the rocks that landed on the deck and throwing them back at the crowd Particularly at the guy who was standing on the quayside waggling his dick at the ship And after one crew member got her jaw broken by a big rock The Scientologists brought out the hoses at which point the portuguese authorities broke up the whole fiasco And the Scientologist set sail once more. So that was an interesting time at port, huh?

That was a real it was a real weird day. Cool. But you could even dance your way into portugal. No But in 1975 hubbard suffered a minor stroke and his seafarin days were over the sea org bullshit This had gone on for almost 10 years Yes, it was finally time for hubbard to return to america set up shop in clearwater florida Oh, my other hometown. Yeah, that's it after a stroke you go right to clear water All the way knows that that's how it it's been that he started that trend So elron hubbard arrived in clearwater florida in october 1975 wearing a green jumpsuit And purchased the 11th story fort harrison hotel for 2.3 million dollars

As well as the old bank of clearwater building for more than half a million all in cash To establish the headquarters of Scientology in america. Remember, he's also a known wanted criminal The fbi is researching him. All of this technically has to be done in secret or way way way on the down low Yeah, he's not a wanted criminal. He's more like wanted for questioning. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's no charges Yes, about him. Yeah, they're real curious. There's no charges against him at this point or anything like that But they definitely want to have a word or two with him So hubbard then moved in along with his wife five five miles down the road under great secrecy As it wasn't in hubbard's best interest to let anyone know he was back in america

But the secret soon got out while hubbard was being fit for a new suit the taylor mentioned He was a sci-fi fan So hubbard, he couldn't help but let it slip that he was in fact The elron hubbard who the taylor ended up being a huge fan of did you did you write that book? Uh, what was it? Uh, tommy tommy tames the town or something. Johnny the town tamer. Yeah, sir Did you write johnny the town tamer? Yes, I did and I won't tell you I was gonna write a I was gonna write a sequel to it the town that tamed johnny And it was going to be about a group of men that run a town that make love to johnny

Until he's tame enough to be the town's boyfriend. All right. Well, sir your final measurements are you're about a 48 waist and a 26 leg Very odd anyway, that is don't even make that up because that is technically my dimensions I have a 36 waist. I have a 27 inch inseam. I am I'm built like a umpty dumpy Well, that's okay So the taylor after finding out that he had just fit the elron hubbard for a suit You went home and told his wife about it who told all her friends that a famous author had moved up the street And before hubbard knew it a reporter had come knocking at his front door. So hubbard

freaked out fled once more landing in washington dc thing was DC probably wasn't the best place for the hubbard's to be as operation snow white was in full effect By the beginning of 1975 the guardians office had people in the irs the dea and the coast guard Wolf again codenamed silver. Yes, and meisner were working as clerk typhus and had at that point stolen more than 30 Thousand pages of documents related to the church and the hubbard's now Do we know why meisner never got a nickname? I don't know silver wolf. It's like pretty you know He wanted one too. That's how you make one. That's how you divide a group of people You give one a cool nickname you don't give a nickname the other one

And then he's always wondering why it wasn't I had given a nickname and also What do I got to do to earn a nickname? You're just a meisner Yeah So one night when wolf and meisner were supposed to infiltrate an office a quick in and out job They arrived to find that a cleaning crew was still finishing up inside while they were waiting Someone noticed these two suspicious guys just hanging around outside of this office They shouldn't have been around the fbi was called So the two went on the run. They were finally onto them

Now the hubbard's then moved to palm springs where a predictable tragedy struck Mary sue got a call that quintin had been found dead in las vegas alongside the perimeter fence of mccarran airport Quentin had run a vacuum cleaner tube from the exhaust tailpipe of his van Into his passenger side window and left the engine running and cops reported that it appeared as if quintin had been living out of his van for some time And a friend of his said that quintin had wanted to get out of selling Scientology for years, but knew that as soon as he did he would become an enemy of the church Just as nibs had and just like any cult member who grew up in the church He just didn't know how to survive outside of it

And it wasn't like hubbard didn't know his son was in trouble He did after quintin's death a messenger found a stack of unanswered letters from quintin In which the kid was worried that the mark habs remembered the 1950s civilization with the space travel He was worried that the mark habs were about to come down from space to check on his quote-unquote Development and it probably wasn't a coincidence then that quintin was said to have had a homosexual experience Surely before his suicide so instead of worrying that he was going to go to hell Quentin instead was worried that an alien wearing a fedora was about to come fry him with radioactive material I'm scared of that too. Yeah, I'm scared of that as well. That's that's scary

Yeah And the final indignation came when the when they scattered quintin's ashes a pilot was ordered to fly out over the Pacific to scatter them But when he tried The ashes blew back into the plane and the pilot said he was still picking little bits of quintin out of his upholstery for months Like what happened in the big Lebowski? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. He just wanted to fly Yeah, it's just such a perfect example of like a sad life lived sadly Yeah, like he's just like the end you literally just ended up as a mistake a bunch of people like fucking up dropping your ashes

And how old was quintin? He was I think 19. Oh, he was a child still. Yeah, very young when this happened Oh, yeah, he was like 19 or 20. Yeah, he was just some poor Get some poor kid who happened to be gay Stuck on a boat with his psychopath homophobic father And he had finally got not like he finally got off But all this shit had been so ingrained in him over the years, you know, it's a lot like uh, ricky rodriguez with the Children of god, uh, except quintin just couldn't he just Did it himself

All of the kids uh could barely read diana could barely read they said she wrote like a child Even though she was like 18 years old. They did not get a formal education. They were taught just Scientology principles since the time they were born and they never learned anything else They so it's like they were completely ill-equipped to be normal human beings So naturally the mood changed around palm springs following quintin's death. Suddenly mary sue's corgi dogs were declared clear Oh, but they had to be cleared. Yeah, the dog misses that that they declared they're clear That means that anybody who had barked at they barked at had committed a crime against the hubbard's Yeah, and some people would come into the hubbard house and the corgis would bark at him and they'd freak out because they're like

What did I do? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything wrong They truly the the members believe that the corgis were clear elrond hubbard said our corgis are clear So all their followers like yeah, the corgis are clear. Yeah, and if that corgi does bark at you, what'd you do? What you do? So that means there's a little theton inside the corgi. Yeah, thetons are in everything I can't wait to have dogs. I know I'm gonna do the same thing I'm gonna be like whenever the dog barks at everyone being like you are a criminal, aren't you? My dog can see your soul. Absolutely. And things were getting tense with hubbard's daughter as well She had begun dating guys outside of Scientology aka wogs as they called him and would describe in detail

Her dates and sex life during auditing knowing her father would read her folder. Oh, yeah, I don't know if that's awesome That doesn't sound very fun Then then on july 8th 1977 the fbi rated the church of Scientology and carried off 48,149 documents Meisner after eight months on the run had blown the org and confessed to the fbi Detailing operation snow white which turned out to be one of the largest infiltrations of the u.s. Government ever with up to 5 Thousand covert agents working on the project. We're out there chasing communists. We should have been chasing Scientologists Yeah, they didn't know I mean and they said that it was ridiculously easy to do all the people that testified afterwards They were like, yeah, your security is shit. You know how easy it was they even they put bugs into people's offices

Uh, they were able to steal documents and just had to make copies of them They knew everything that the government knew about them and who went down for it, but Mary sue because the documents the fbi seized from the office Named her as the head of it in order to take heat off of elrond hubbard because elrond hubbard's name was never mentioned In any of the official documents, but it was extremely obvious that he was the head of the entire operation It's always the stuges that fall always the stuges Yeah, because they had they had no evidence on him all the evidence pointing towards mary sooth So they had no choice but to go for her because she signed all the documents

Right because she was signed them for him and so they now had to split up They've been together for 25 years. They split up elrond hubbard goes on the road Mary sue was sitting in a hotel room They're saying well, we need to keep some distance between you guys to make sure that no heat comes back on elrond And she's like he's gonna come and he is going to get me out of this He's gonna fix all this. He's gonna explain to them what we're doing is for the good of humankind and shit And he just left her hanging he left her hanging in he moved to a grapefruit farm and started making movies Him and his messengers he spent day and night writing scripts for film

He thought he could use for recruiting. He took to wearing a cowboy hat suspenders and a bandana to make him look more Like a movie director. I thought you were gonna say a corgi Or did the dogs just like me? Who knows and the movies with names like revolt and the stars and the unfathomable man Were reportedly terribly written terribly acted and terribly shot and they were also Disgustingly gory while they were filming one scene of a bombing of an fbi office Wank-wank a little bit of wishful thinking there hubbard covered his actors and so much k-ro syrup and food coloring That they had to cut their clothes off at the end of the day

Yeah, and that's what that was the murders the murder fist recipe right the k-ro syrup and food coloring Yep, and then you put a little bit of laundry detergent in it so you can get out of your clothes and it never does Uh and you reek of corn syrup for the rest of the night. That's fun. Yeah, also What an act of uh chaos magic it is to make a movie about the fbi off fbi office blowing up Dressing in a part doing the whole thing again It's going back to weird black magic ritual where he is trying to make it happen. Yeah, he's trying to make the reality Now while this little side trick This may seem meaningless like just a little bit of trivia

But this is where one of Scientology's most infamous members would ingratiate himself into hubbard's good graces For it is on the grapefruit farm that messenger David miscavige would get his start now. This is tall This is a lesson in right place right time because he had other advisors and shit But people that have been him for with him for years for decades that were his close people But david miscavige just went the very end. Yeah, he was scary one Yeah at the very end because uh miscavige's parents were Scientologists They enjoyed they joined in like 1970 or something like that and miscavige should when he was a teenager just pop

He was right there He wormed his way into the messengers and he was right next to elrond hubbard the whole time at the end of elrond hubbard's life And all this time hubbard could could not give less of a fuck about mary sue When letters arrived with bad news saying for example that she was facing a maximum penalty of 17 years The messengers would cut out the offending passages with razor blades to keep hubbard quote on his lines And on october 26th mary sue and nine others pleaded guilty on one count each of the indictment in a plea deal mary sue received a sentence of five years One of which she actually served

Soon after an appellate court ordered the seal to be lifted on all the documents The fbi had gathered Scientology egg quarters for the case the papers had a field day and hubbard exposed once more fled for a final time He disappeared with two messengers named pat and annie broker and was never seen again This is so classic. He abandoned his family now. He abandons mary sue. I mean this guy is a true sociopath with zero concern for others His wife never saw him again. His children never saw him again He never appeared in public again over the next six years the messengers led by miscavige Would institute a purge of high level Scientology staff all supposedly working under the orders of elrond Whose location only the messengers knew and so these people outside

They had no choice the messengers were saying like yeah elrond's still alive Yeah, this is what he said to do he said to put me in charge and they're playing these huge chess games the entire time Because they're sitting on a million. It's again. It's all about money and power Yeah, you're looking at these. They have millions of dollars in the bank. They have slaves everywhere It's whoever gets the keys of the kingdom gets to actually like gets to be god And miscavige is like american psycho. Yeah, it was just a raging lunatic Yeah, a little five one guy that has no conscience whatsoever. Right. Just like me my little grippers. Yeah, that is true Now the last words anyone heard from elrond hovered was on january 19th 1986. That was my third birthday

Oh a humble break On that day hovered announced in flag order number three eight seven nine that he was promoting himself To the rank of admiral and he was promoting the brokers who Who helped him escape the last time to loyal officers and five days later elrond hovered supposedly had a brain hemorrhage and died Continuing the line of bullshit even after death miscavige gathered 1800 Scientologists to the hollywood palladium and told them that hovered had finished his earthly research two weeks earlier

But in order to continue reaching new levels of ot He had needed to discard his body to move to the next step A few months later miscavige declared that flag order number three eight seven nine was a fraud written by the brokers Who he said had never really had any interaction with elrond miscavige placed the brokers under standard justice handling and with them out of the way Miscavige took complete and total control of the church of Scientology an organization. He still runs to this day He's like the little prince from shrek Yes, uh, what I will say is I the only solace I have in any of the story

Is that laffy never got to enjoy being god? No, no matter what happened He was always running looking over his shoulder is very similar to hh holmes So we got a little bit of a thrill over like of lying and getting himself in trouble and getting out of trouble like that That was given him something But he uh, he never got to like it. He never got to he was always on city ground. Well, he got his followers That's the thing is that like his he always had a really good time with his followers But he was also constantly being hounded by people who saw through his bullshit I could say we can draw a little bit of parallels to that

What's happening right now? I would know it is you can draw So many parallels between elron hovert and trump. It's fucking ridiculous. It's crazy. It's hard to not bring it up all the time I know it's hard to not constantly bring it up But yeah, his followers like he's having a great time with them They are they are into it hook line and sinker But everybody else is like what the fuck are these people thinking right? What is wrong with these people? Oh, he had to be stressed out the entire time. I wouldn't wish that life on I could only never want to do that Imagine if elron hovert had twitter

Oh my goodness, honestly, I think I could handle it I think I would be honestly. I think I'd be an excellent dictator running in front No, no, he was never a dictator dictators don't have to run from the law. They make the law They are the law. He was never a powerful Everyone would be a wonderful dictator and then you get to make your own law. You have I don't think you know how countries work I think you would be a horrible dictator because you'd be so mean to everybody. Oh, I listen. I'm empathetic I understand you have to you're not empathetic Yeah, you keep the peasants happy and you keep your closest officers afraid of death

But that's the idea is you have the peasants on your side just in case they try to overflow you your inner group tries to overthrow you They rise up and to protect you. That's what kim jong-un does in north korea and they're about to blow up the whole world Power resides where people believe it resides. Oh my god. Whatever. Is it like some Hans christian anderson poem? Actually, it's a from game of thrones, but whatever All right. Well, that's it. That's it. Yeah, we're fucking totally hell L run Hubbard And Scientology was never heard of again. That's not true. That's not what happened. Yeah, I mean that's the story about That's the story I mean and that's the funny thing about is that that's just the story of L run Hubbard when david miscavige takes over the entire church changes

And in fact david in fact david miscavige's father has come out and said boy that kid really fucked up He said his father has come out and said like my son has perverted Scientology He has perverted the workings and the teachings of L run Hubbard. Oh, he perverted this homo He perverted this homophobic disgusting racist cult. Oh Just a terrible remember that david miscavige is actually not the is actually not the bad one He got taught to do it and he's just oh, I think he's the bad one. He's a bad teacher taught him how to do it They taught him what what he needed to do in order to win and you won't winners do winners win And so he don't know I mean now miscavige took it way further miscavige. He was the one that introduced the whole

He's the one that introduced all of these like and he's he's the one I mean, yeah, he did learn a lot from Hubbard, but he took it he kicked it up to the next level Like he's the one who turned Scientology into like the truly dangerous organization that it really was During the 90s before the internet came about and people started saying looking at like oh fuck this Scientology thing Is really dumb and really dangerous and much like L run Hubbard miscavige always looks wet Which is just true. He always looks wet. I have no idea. I don't look wet because then it shows Slippery hard to grab that's right Defense technique. Thank you so much for listening everyone and let's see here. Do we want to talk about the patreon?

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Harold checkers gonna be there checkers gonna be there. Yeah, they've got john ronson They've got one of the guy one of the prosecutors for making a murderers going to be there Uh, oh wait the prosecutor prosecutor. Yeah, I've got some words with you my friend Oh, and he's got some words for you and we'll say it. Oh, don't you know, I don't think you acted very Applied to that boy with the mental problems, you know, yeah, so excited for that So excited for 420. Yeah, if you want to go if you want to go to crime con go to crime con dot com You can get your tickets there Excited for that excited for 420 legalize it. I can't wait

It's been legalized 419 and denver 420 in colorado spring It's all the same. It's all denver Focus on the family by the way So we will be talking about james dobson that raging ludic who is worse and more homophobic than el run harbor Absolutely And if you want to read more about this read, uh, uh, there is uh bearface messiah by john sweeney. It's fantastic A piece of blue sky is another really good expose on el run harvard There's another good website called tony ortega dot org called up a bridge that basically describes the step by steps of

Actually what people do in Scientology. It is a really great resource to really understand what it is that these fucking maniacs do Uh, and again, remember group think is horseshit If anybody's telling you what to think or isolating you from your family, you're you're they they are wrong They're doing it. You're you you are in a cult. You're a cult if anybody says that they have all the answers And they are the one that is going to save you. They are going to destroy you. They do not care about you They only care about themselves cult. El run harvard is a piece of shit as you can't if it starts at piece of shit It can't go another absolutely If they are a bad person you cannot divorce their actual character from what they are telling you if they are telling you

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