Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 265: Chris Benoit

Episode Date: April 7, 2017

This week we cover the tragedy of Chris Benoit; his career, the murder/suicide that resulted in the death of him and his family, and the numerous insane conspiracy theories that cropped up following t...he crime. Happy Bee Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Unseen Horrors Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Digital Lemo

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Man, I did watch something. I don't know a god damn thing about wrestling, but it seems irresponsible. No, it's very responsible.
Starting point is 00:00:21 It's the definition of responsibility. It's improv, but if you mess up, it's not an audience not laughing at your joke. You break somebody's neck. That's not good. It is good. The good state should never have been on anyone who was at improv training, ever in a thousand years. Can you imagine?
Starting point is 00:00:36 Because they are unreliable people. Yes, that is very true. But imagine how much scarier it would have been if he killed his wife and kid, but still wrestled, didn't kill himself. And on the next day, he showed up being like, I've only got rid of my wife and child that have been holding me back. Now finally I can wrestle with the glee and abandon of a little girl dancing in a field filled with butterflies.
Starting point is 00:01:05 All right. Are you? Is that Crispin was with us, ladies and gentlemen? Dancing like nobody's watching without the dead weight of my wife and child. Well, you seem like you're keeping from the focus I need to win WrestleMania 27. Yeah. Well, that's a couple of years back there. You seem to be more lighthearted and darker than ever.
Starting point is 00:01:26 I just feel like there's a weight off my chest. Yes. I do with not having to hear my kid be like, all right, welcome to the last podcast of the leftover one. I am Ben Kessel. That's Marcus Parks. We got H bone, a Zabrowski over there as well, but these new, you see these new Haynes and wearing they wick off the sweat.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Oh, that's very nice. Check out, check out these new Haynes extreme temperature wear. So if you haven't figured it out yet, because of popular demand, we've decided to cover Chris Benoit. That's right. Canadian crippler Chris Benoit, aka the Canadian crippler, aka the rabid Wolverine, aka the broom. Now I don't know where this the broom thing came in.
Starting point is 00:02:16 I'm not sure when he was called the broom, but apparently at some point they were trying to mock him publicly, which might have drove him insane. It was a janitor finally being like the broom is a useful tool. Yes. Can you? I just don't even know what his finisher would be. Where you stick the broom. Does he mop up?
Starting point is 00:02:33 I mean, I don't know what happens because he mops the floor with everyone, man. Oh, I kind of get that. Well, then he's the mop. The mop. Anyway, the janitor or the janitor, which is a great name. There was. And then again, the janitor involves a lot more sexual moves. Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Well, Chris Benoit was a highly respected Canadian professional wrestler who at the age of 40 and at the peak of his career murdered his wife and seven year old son over the course of two days before committing suicide on the third following a complete mental breakdown. Benoit can be mentioned in the same breath as OJ Simpson, as both were considered to be among the greatest in their respective sports. Both had a history of domestic violence alleged in Benoit's case, and both were described by their friends as the nicest guy around, never thinking either would be capable of such brutality.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Well, I think OJ was more assumed to be violent because first of all, you know, football and his big old head. He had a big head. And then the history of the 911 calls. Yeah. But can you imagine Benoit being the representative for Hertz rental cars? Because he probably drove more Hertz rental cars than OJ could ever imagine. I don't need to drive these cars.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I am the car. And just people just like attached to his muscles as he's running down the highway. Thanks, HGH, making me a better taxicab since my entire life. He was very buff. Well, Ben, you bring up a really good point because Benoit's case is much more complicated than OJ's. Now, most people, but not all in this case, as it does have its fair share of conspiracies, blame Chris Benoit's mental decline on 30 years of suplexes, flying head butts and countless
Starting point is 00:04:17 chair shots to the cranium. In fact, Benoit was one of the few guys who would take a chair shot to the back of the head, which greatly increased concussion. This is not a smart move if you're a professional wrestler. No, also, it just sounds like every college buddy that used to pull that shit at parties and is now like working at a gas station who keeps telling you how great he thinks your music is. Even though you're not a professional musician, you're being like, I see you out there, man.
Starting point is 00:04:44 You're killing it, man. You're killing it. Oh, I got gasoline on my pants. Who knew the headbutt not quite as fun as it sounds. It was a headbutt to the other person's shoulder, not to their butt, which I do think it's just a head to shoulder more than a headbutt, but that's a whole nother story. Yeah, that's all. Literally, wasn't his move jumping off the turnbuckle and just smashing his head into
Starting point is 00:05:07 shit? And this led to what we'll talk about here with his brain had some problems. I would say that is the beginning of a kill your family algebra. That's in the algorithm, I think. There are stresses in professional wrestling, to be sure, as these guys are on the road 300 days of the year at the very least, but nothing can justify the murder of one's own wife and child. We cannot stress that enough.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Now, let's start with Ben was career and just how one of the nicest guys in professional wrestling became a double murderer. Now we are not a wrestling podcast. I don't know if you're aware you're listening to this show. They're not. We're not. Yes. We're not a wrestling podcast.
Starting point is 00:05:52 This is the first time I am the most ignorant. I mean, I'm always the most ignorant because all of my knowledge is fake. But this is the first time I don't know a goddamn thing about wrestling. Y'all are educating me. Well, my entire knowledge of wrestling comes from the WWF attitude years, the 96 to 2000 years when there was actual competition with the WWF at the time and WCW, the greatest time in professional wrestling where Vince McMahon was just like, Sable, go show your butthole.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And then they were just like, the numbers are through the roof. People love Sable's butthole. Can we get more women's buttholes and let's have a man drink beer publicly and fight the Canadians. At the time, I was discovering my true personal freedom in the high school theater department of Palm Harbor University, Florida, and I was it was in a little shop of horror. Oh, that's exciting. We used to do so much backyard wrestling growing up.
Starting point is 00:06:45 I took some chair shots to the back of the head and I'm totally normal in no way are you guys in any danger at all. Let's just but you know what? We should stay in the same hotel room next time we travel, maybe in Denver, we should just stay in the same hotel room and then I'll do the show. I have a memory of you telling me you have to think of killing people in a mall before you can go to sleep. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Well, isn't that fun to have memories of your friends talking about Ben was a wrestling fan from the age of 12 when he attended a match featuring Brett, the hit man heart and Tom Dynamite kid, Billington, Ben was training began at 15 when he started driving three hours each way to train in the heart family dungeon. Now, I did do a little bit of research about the dungeon. This is disgusting. It's real. This man, all of these oversized children, the guy with Brett, the hit man heart's father
Starting point is 00:07:43 had 12 sons or daughters mixed with sons and daughters, 12 children. They're all in the basement, shrieking of like, I remember what my uncle's house smelled like. That was the wrestling house. It was it was like macaroni and tits when if you can. If you've ever been to a high school wrestling, you know, gym practice space, imagine that in a dungeon in Canada, no air, no windows and then just being tortured 24 seven by stew heart.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I could imagine it probably had the same smell as my high school football locker room. Yeah. Something pretty similar to that. If you ever just there with your father's, your best friend's older father who's just like, oh, your problem here is you ain't stretching the groin enough. And then he just like grabs your knee and presses it into your face and everyone's screaming, get him dad, get him dad. It's fucking horrible.
Starting point is 00:08:31 And I played with my sisters. Oh my goodness. Well, let's not get wild here. They paid money to have stew heart do that to them. Yeah. It's a, I mean, it smelled like if you ever took a sharp left turn in high school or middle school and your face went right into the crotch of the gym teacher. That's exactly what stew heart's dungeon smelled like.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Well, the only difference between that smell and the smell of my high school football locker room is that my high school football locker room smelled like dead crickets because there were hundreds upon hundreds of dead crickets surrounding the building at all times. And also I forgot that the football coach was just the man who was just a bunch of other parts of men sewn together that were stolen from a graveyard. Yeah. A boogeyman type character. 1985, Benoit started his career at Stampede wrestling where he very early on adopted the
Starting point is 00:09:18 diving headbutt as one of his signature moves from their Benoit travel to Japan, the only place outside North America where wrestling is as popular as it is in America, Mexico and Canada. Dude, and it is way more intense in Japan. It's faster. It's more brutal. The fans are just rabid. They have a bloodlust that you can never imagine.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Watch the Japanese deathmatches. If you get a chance, it used to, as a child, they used to be like, they only dropped him into the piranha pit for like three seconds and that was the 35-year-old man. I'm like, well, who thought of that? Don't know piranha pit. I mean, it's unbelievable. They also, they blur out the pussies in the cocks. That's the funny thing about the Japanese.
Starting point is 00:09:59 They're like, we will watch a man mutilate another man in the ring, but is that a vagina? Is that a vagina? Most dishonorable. So in Japan, Benoit donned a mask and took the name The Pegasus Kid. That's a Canadian nickname, obviously. Canadians are always off. They're always just wrong. But I love he's not the Pegasus.
Starting point is 00:10:20 He's the child of a Pegasus. Benoit battled such wrestlers as Thunder Liger, Black Tiger, and El Samurai, who I would imagine is a Mexican transplant from Mexico to Japan. The Samurai. Yes. And he's just like, they understand Samurai. All right. I'm a Samurai.
Starting point is 00:10:39 That's like you guys' cops, right? But in a match in Mexico, fighting for Concejo Mundial de Lucha Libre, Benoit lost the mask and reinvented himself going from the Pegasus Kid to Wild Pegasus. And also, that was a stage name that Barry Manlow started out with. Oh, I like that. These masks are very important to the Lucha Libre brand of wrestling. It really is all their identity. And if they are unmasked, it's truly a big deal in their community in real life.
Starting point is 00:11:10 It's a huge deal when they're unmasked. But if it gets caught on like a hook or like on a doorknob or something when you're coming out, when you're coming out into the wrestling field, is that what it's called? You can see the bloopers when the mask does come undone. They cover their face up really quick and they just like, they desperately try to get the mask back on before being seen by the public. So in 1992, Benoit came back to North America briefly to wrestle for the WCW, which in my opinion, I don't know if you'll share this with me, Ben, WCW was always kind of the Kmart
Starting point is 00:11:39 to WWF's target. But Kmart had a resurgence in the mid and in the early and mid and late nineties because they threw all the money in the world, WCW through all the money in the world at these pro wrestlers. That's why they got Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, basically everyone, Ric Flair, everyone that mattered in pro wrestling went over there because it was a massive Ted Turner paycheck. But they didn't have quite the same flavor as the WWF. Well, they had no structure.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Eric Bischoff was the guy who led that sort of insurgence of those new old people coming over as new talent. And the whole thing, they literally gave the wrestlers carte blanche to create the story lines. And believe it or not, the wrestlers wanted to be in the ring a lot and they wanted to talk a bunch and not do a lot of wrestling. No, but the also one bit we the talk about here is that he this is about the time when he hooked up with Eddie Guerrero, too, right, which was the like that's that's that's plays
Starting point is 00:12:32 on like deeper. Yeah. The Ben was in the Guerrero set a great wrestling relationship. They always had amazing matches, whether it be Chavo or Eddie Rest in Peace. Yeah, they met because Eddie Guerrero had wrestled Chris Benoit in Japan and Chris Benoit kicked Guerrero in the head and knocked him out cold. And they were best friends from then on. It's like when when the guy with the fake cast is getting a girl with the with the co-ed
Starting point is 00:12:55 like into the back of the car and another guy shows up with a fake like head bandage on and crutches and they see they make eyes each other him and the guy with the head cast and they wink and they're like now we're friends. Same victim. Right. Serial killer bonding. Yeah. Now, after an unremarkable stent in the WCW, marked only by a feud with a guy named Chris
Starting point is 00:13:16 Bernard Skaggs, a.k.a. too cold Scorpio. Oh, yeah. Get him out of the refrigerator. He was big in the WCW. Benoit moved back to Japan. There he fought for extreme championship wrestling known for their particularly brutal and bloody style. ECW was the greatest wrestling corporation of all time.
Starting point is 00:13:37 It's it's exactly like cave comedy radio. Totally organic. It just had to put on the best matches ever to get noticed. And of course, it came from New Jersey and those people talk about the Japanese having bloodlust. Those those fans, they loved you. If you could staple a dollar to your forehead, they would give you anything. Tommy Dreamer was one of their number one dudes and he was just a fat guy who was drunk
Starting point is 00:13:58 and he hit people with a stick and would constantly cut himself. He gave a mentally unstable, mentally handicapped man a two by four and he just swung it around and I was like, now this is entertainment. This is gladiators. We talked about gladiators to gladiators of the sport. This is this guy. Oh, look, he's throwing up. I remember that when Russell Crowe did a bunch of crystal meth before he had to go fight
Starting point is 00:14:23 the creatures in the movie gladiator, but it was a Kendo stick. Now, fighting for ECW, Benoit was given the nickname the crippler by ECW owner Paul Heyman as Benoit did indeed accidentally break the neck of a guy named Terry Brunk, aka Sabu the Elephant Boy. The saddest part about what I did to the Elephant Boy, I did not mean to cripple him. I said I know that he has an incredible memory and he wouldn't remember every second of the excruciating pain the crippler took him through the labyrinth of labyrinth of pain. I'm just being an elephant boy.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Yes. Now I'm just going to sit in my chair. You know what? Thanks, crippler, because I hated walking around the mall. Sabu. I've never heard him call the Elephant Boy before, but it's tough to say whose fault that was because he's ever getting the move done to them as the one who's in control of the move.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Well, yeah, actually it was Sabu's fault. He just did, he didn't, I checked out some of the analysis of the move itself. It was something like Sabu didn't rotate the right way or some weird shit like that, but that really tells you how much danger these guys put themselves in. Dude, I trained for six months above skips a bowling alley to be a pro wrestler and just hitting the ropes hurts. The whole thing was painful and then taking a bump, I can't believe what these pro wrestlers are able to do.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Yeah, and this was the first of Brunk's two neck breaking incidents, neither of which kept Brunk out of action for long. In fact, the second time when he came back, he returned to the ring with a neck brace on. But like Brunk and many other professional wrestlers, Benoit was of that same school. He considered working while injured to be a badge of honor, a mentality that would undoubtedly lead to his eventual mental breakdown. He never stopped.
Starting point is 00:16:13 I mean, it's like a truck driver who just prides himself on only having his gas tank in the red. I will never know when I'm going to run out of gas, but at some point they will. Once you have a concussion, if you get any sort of head injury while you while you're doing or bump your head while you're concussed, you get another concussion. And so it's like, you're literally looking at like his whole Benoit's whole life is smashing his head into shit. He definitely got a concussion.
Starting point is 00:16:41 He's basically been concussed for like 45 years. Well, I mean, he was 40 years old. I don't know. Benoit returned to the WCW a year later, staying with the company for five years between 1995 and the year 2000. This is where his career really took off, teaming with Ric Flair against Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage in a quote, alliance to end Hulkamania. It does sound like shit the UN does.
Starting point is 00:17:13 This alliance led to Benoit's feud with a wrestler named Kevin Sullivan. Sullivan was paired with his real life wife, Nancy, who worked as his valet, which in wrestling terms is a person, usually an attractive woman who accompanies a wrestler to the ring, rile up the crowd or interfere with the match should the story required. And this is, for example, China was a very famous valet or security guard in China's case. And I got a had a chance to give China an award. Do you remember that, Marcus?
Starting point is 00:17:41 I remember that's where I got that was the flesh bottle awards. That's where I got my flesh light. Did her clit reach out from underneath her pants and grab the award from your hands? It did. It did. And I gave her the best mainstream to porn award mainstream, of course, being her work in pro wrestling and porn being backdoor to China. And then she made a video to Vincent Mann on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:18:01 She said, Vance, revenge is a dish best served cold. And she was holding the large silver dildo that I gave her for her award. Henry has since passed away, yes, she has, yes, that's going to be something that we're going to be saying a lot in this episode. They have since passed away. He has rest in peace wrestlers and WW2 vets. It is. It was it's tough to be in either of those arenas.
Starting point is 00:18:28 They don't last. No. Also, it feels like the valet's job. How dangerous is that to be between the masses of drunk screaming maniacs and the dude who's just going, come and kill me, come and kill me. And they just have a girl whose nipples are barely not visible. Just like, stop it, guys, stop it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Well, the valet's can be pretty tough ladies. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of times the valet's will eventually graduate to wrestler status as China did. Yeah. Kevin Sullivan's gimmick was that he was a Satanist or at least was alluded to be a Satanist. He is a big fat Satanist.
Starting point is 00:19:11 He's the fattest Satanist since me. Yeah. He actually has the same body as you, but less hair. He's shaved. He's shaved. Well, he said, you know, he said recently that he's a good Irish Catholic boy. And the whole thing was just an act because he never actually said, I'm a Satanist. In fact, I've got a promo in which Kevin Sullivan talks about his army of darkness.
Starting point is 00:19:35 And he gets a little bit further into some of the mystical mumbo-jumbo that he used to fuel his career. And I know, of course, that periodically Mr. Sullivan disappears for a day or so and he goes to see the Abu Dhabi to get his batteries charged, which I understand neither. Well, let me tell you something. I was taken by Abu Dhabi to the Clause of Anxiety where I took the cosmic cookie and went to the Amazon River of my mind where I met Aug, the keeper of the king. And he told me now the final stages are set for the war with the family because now they
Starting point is 00:20:16 know, they know now that I am going to do something horrible. Now there's no stocking me, Mulligan, because you're the one that pushed me over this line this time. Abu Dhabi, when he brought me to the tree of woes and people plucked at my skin, it was all to make me stronger because the horrible thing now, Mulligan, is this. I'm not taking any prisoners now. Like in Epo Malaysia had an Indian picnic when there was feasting and rejoicing and the haze put an Indian to sleep and he didn't arise again.
Starting point is 00:20:59 No prisoners, no prisoners. Yeah. He's not that far off. No. The dungeon master. Yeah. And the subtitle underneath his name during that promo is Kevin Sullivan, Prince of Darkness. I love it.
Starting point is 00:21:15 That's a great promo. I do enjoy. They also did it right in front of a playground apparently. It's always good. He just he does sound like a man who runs a gas station though. Yes. Yes. I talked to God, the master of the keys.
Starting point is 00:21:29 He's the only one that can let you into the men's room. So it's a self-serve gas station or do I got to offer you a chance to clean your windows and let it. Don't lose this key. There's only one according to all the master of key. Well, this key is absolutely disgusting. Thank you. It should be.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Yeah. Well, Kevin Sullivan wasn't doing this whole thing alone. Like a lot of professional wrestlers throughout the years. There's like a cabal. There's a team. You know, in the 90s and the, it was like the ministry of darkness, the corporation, all of these. I think it was the dungeon of doom was his tag team.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Yeah. And this one involved his wife, Nancy, who had married him in 1985. She was going by the name Fallen Angel. They also had the lock, Luna Vashon, the purple haze and sir Oliver Humperdink, later known as Big Daddy Dink. Oh, of course. Luna Vashon is a badass. She was the one who was with Bam Bam Bigelow for a very long time and she was a beast.
Starting point is 00:22:36 No one messed with Luna. Holy hell. She was nuts. Luna Vashon was awesome. Yeah. Now, Kevin and Nancy, who was Fallen Angel in the whole cabal of Satanist, married in 1984 and moved to the ECW where Nancy changed her name to simply woman. I love that.
Starting point is 00:22:55 And if you don't know what she looks like, she was, she was woman. Yeah. She was vivacious. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting features. Yeah. So when Sullivan and Chris Benoit started a feud in 1996, Sullivan himself booked his
Starting point is 00:23:11 wife to carry on a fake affair with Chris Benoit. Never do this. Chaos magic. Don't do it. Yeah. Never is a bit. Never do like a fun. Wouldn't it be a funny bit if like, oh, Marcus, date Natalie for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:23:25 That's funny. That's funny. Look at that. Where are you guys going? That's what happened to Elrond. Isn't that what happened with Elrond as well? Kind of sort of. To some degree, Elrond Humperdink.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Now, in order to sell this whole thing, the two would hold hands, they would share hotel rooms, they would make taunting, titillating videos together. One of those videos, they could boarded together in the kitchen. Benoit turned to the camera and said to Sullivan, Consider yourself the master of human chess. Well, my bishop just took your queen in the butt. Wow. That's actually an amazing line.
Starting point is 00:24:04 At some point, Kevin had to realize it's like, oh, shit. They're actually having sex with each other. Wait a second. They're making love to each other, aren't they? Oh, man. The flirting is getting pretty advanced. I guess I'm a pretty good matchmaker. I guess Kevin will just sit here with his box of cheez-its in his army of evil and watch
Starting point is 00:24:25 HGTV until we fall asleep. You win the cheez-its? Yeah. My new wife. The best part about cheez-its being your wife is that they leave according to my choice. My choice, they disappeared. Unfortunately for Sullivan, all the time the two spent together in hotel rooms eventually took the fake affair into real affair status and Nancy left Sullivan for Benoit in 1997.
Starting point is 00:24:57 And this happens. China and Triple H, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, now, of course, the game, the man who is basically running NXT, which is now a very popular pro wrestling show, he was having a real relationship with China. And then they started a storyline with Stephanie McMahon, where they were supposed to come up and he was supposed to quarter. Sure enough, he ended the relationship with China, which is why she was blacklisted from the WWE in the first place, also a massive drug addiction.
Starting point is 00:25:21 And then they got married in real life, Stephanie McMahon and Triple H, and now he owns part of the company. Now, does it think wrestlers, I love them. I don't think they are emotionally smart enough to understand the difference between like the storyline and reality sometimes. Well, some are not. Some are not. Mick Foley is actually a brilliant human being.
Starting point is 00:25:41 He's great. The real successful ones obviously understand. Like Mark Calloway, the undertaker, he doesn't dress like that in real life. No, he's not like at the bar and be like, I'll have the beer. And then they just like, he demands it to like show up in his hands. He's waiting for it to like fly across the table to his hands. He's like, I know I can do it. I know I can do it.
Starting point is 00:26:00 I've never had a beer my whole life. Although I will say Stone Cold Steve Austin is exactly the same out of the ring as he is in the ring. Well, he made that person up himself, which is amazing that he came up with all that great improviser. If you ever want to see Mike's skills, listen to the King of the Ring where Steve Austin branded Austin 316 and Stone Cold said, I just whipped your ass. He branded both of those in that one improv speech.
Starting point is 00:26:22 It was amazing. Amazing. He's the best. Now, after about a year and a half of fake managing Benoit, Nancy suddenly disappeared from the WCW roster and began actually managing Benoit. They soon married and Nancy gave birth to a son, Daniel, on February 25th in the year 2000. By 2003, the marriage had fallen apart.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Nancy filed for divorce and a restraining order against Benoit, who is now on his second marriage as well. Nancy alleged that Benoit had subjected her to cruel treatment and had put her, quote, in reasonable fear for her safety and that of a minor child. This is a part of it where I started, when I started researching this on my own, I started realizing how close the wrestling community is because what they were saying is that apparently other wrestlers were the go-between between him and Nancy. When he separated, he left.
Starting point is 00:27:15 He pushed her in the kitchen, right? So the incident was, he pushed her, he freaked out because he's never hurt her, he never hit her before, did anything bad. He leaves, they sit in a hotel, but other wrestlers just show up and just be like, Nancy, you've got to understand, Chris is going through a lot, the title's got a lot to deal with. And then they go back to him, being like, you just got to understand that Nancy needs time to heal. And it's like these 350-pound men all doing relationship advice to each other.
Starting point is 00:27:43 And eventually, she forgave him and they came back together, but she was always like a little bit scared because he's addicted to pain pills, he's addicted to steroids, he's a fucking walking, killing machine, who's obviously also very unstable all the time. It's very interesting. It was just interesting to see how they all stick together. Well, yeah, I mean, you have the mental instability, the constant working, like Marcus was saying with the traveling. My friend Mike, he knows Charlotte Flair, Rick Flair's daughter.
Starting point is 00:28:09 He went to see her at a summer slam and before they hung out for like 15 minutes and she's like, got to go, got to drive to like Tennessee from Brooklyn. They just work so much. The stress level's insane. Yeah. And that's the other thing about professional athletes, and Ben, you talked about this before, it's like, yeah, there are some of them who are monsters, but a lot of these guys are oddly deeply sensitive people.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Well, pro wrestlers are a special mix because it's obviously, as we saw with CM Punk when he tried to become a UFC fighter. Did you watch that? He literally curled up like a child getting beaten by his uncle in a fetal position and just got rocked. Yeah. But when these guys are theater guys, these are theater dudes who love lifting weights, which is a very interesting mix in gymnastics as well and all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:54 Yeah. But a few months after the divorce was filed and their straining order was filed, Nancy rescinded the order. She dropped the divorce and continued her life with Benoit. Meanwhile, Benoit had moved to the WWF, where his star had continued to rise. This guy was winning championship after championship, he was winning Royal Rumbles, like Benoit was really becoming one of the most respected wrestlers in the history of wrestling. They always called him the best damn technical wrestler in the world.
Starting point is 00:29:24 And that's what they tell people who can't speak. They say, well, he's a technical wrestler. What do you mean I can't speak? I can speak, listen to A, B, C, D, E, F, H. Yes, yes, yes. 714. WrestleMania 27. Nancy's my wife.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Yes. Right? Yes, she is. I can speak. Okay. You got to get to the ring now. Now, the ring's the big circle, it's a circle right now. Well, the squared circle.
Starting point is 00:30:04 That's a funny name for it. Go get technical in there. You're right. A plus B equals WrestleMania 27. But in 2004, Nancy's sister Sandra said that she had started to notice changes in Benoit's personality, because Benoit, along with many, many other professional wrestlers, juiced on the regular, which resulted in various Royd rage incidents. And according to the sister, Nancy was, in Sandra's words, brutalized during these episodes.
Starting point is 00:30:39 It seems like he did a lot of screaming. He was very, very intense, interface. He was losing his mind all the time. One thing that I found that was interesting was that Vince McMahon, a part of what he did with the WWF, was that he moved it away from sports so that he could get rid of all the different drug testing things that you have to do in order to say, that's why he coined the term sports entertainment, which is like, this is a show now. We're going to admit that it's fake so that we could take all the rules off of what my
Starting point is 00:31:06 guys can take, because he liked big fucking cartoonish looking muscle mania. Like people that look just like himself, honestly, at this point. He was one himself. He started wrestling in the ring sometime in like 97, 98. He started wrestling himself. Yeah, the big feud with Stone Cold. And of course, the reason it's WWE is they lost the lawsuit to WWF, the World Wildlife Federation, which we love wildlife, but WWE doesn't have the same ring to it.
Starting point is 00:31:32 It doesn't have the same ring. Remember? Oh, but they just said that Crispin Wah, in order to move up the chain, because they choose who are the winners and who are the losers sort of, right? Like you still have to earn it and it's really hard to do. Oh, absolutely. Well, Mick Foley equates winning the championship to like winning an Oscar. It's an achievement of your work in the field.
Starting point is 00:31:49 Yes. In order to do that, you got to do whatever Vince McMahon wants you to do. So a part of it is that like he's sort of not so subtly said to Crispin Wah, you could gain some weight. And so like what he started doing since the beginning of his time at WWF is just fucking juicing up. And then every single time he would just look in the mirror and be like, I don't look big enough and just like hit a thing again.
Starting point is 00:32:10 They're all crazy. Oh, they all they all have body dysmorphia. Yeah. And it's not like when he's like, you could gain some weight, it's not like, ooh, there's going to be donuts in the locker room. It's like, no, you're going to work out for three more hours a day. Yeah. And Vince McMahon is an absolute monster.
Starting point is 00:32:22 He's working out at two o'clock in the morning at the WWE studios in Connecticut. The guy is just as intense as the wrestlers are. So you got to give him credit for that. Yeah, you do. He's the boss of the wrestlers. Yeah. You have to make a bunch of other 400 pound men listen to you. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:37 So you have to be a psychopath. And he is. Yeah. So Ben Wah, things not going well with Nancy. Then in 2005, Ben Wah's longtime best friend, Eddie Guerrero, suddenly died in a hotel room from a heart condition as professional wrestlers are want to do. These guys drop like flies. Eddie was the best cheat to win.
Starting point is 00:32:57 He was so charismatic and wonderful in the ring. He was amazing. Then Mike Johnny Grunge Durham, who always calm Ben Wah down after arguments with Nancy, also died. Then Victor Black Cat Mar, who is Ben Wah's best friend on Japanese tours, also died. These guys are young. These are literally R.H. These guys.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Yeah. Yeah. And all of these deaths happened within a span of two months. And then Big Boss Man died. Oh my God. And he was the only law and order around there. Yes. You need a fake cop when you have all these fake outlaws.
Starting point is 00:33:33 Absolutely. Now many say this is when Ben Wah permanently changed, becoming what many described as a broken man, trying to help him. His wife bought him a diary and Ben Wah started writing letters to his departed friend, Eddie, but he was soon writing that he would quote, be with Eddie soon. Oh my God. Dear, dearest Eddie, hey, how you doing, man? I hope you're doing good.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I had a new spaghetti dish today at the macaroni grill and I got to say he was absolutely slamming. It took me on a trolley all the way to Flavortown. And I tell you what, when I got to Flavortown, there was a post office. And when I went there and I went to the post office to see the mailman, he had a delivery for me. Chris. And it was that incredible, incredible spaghetti-ish I had at the macaroni grill. Chris, Chris, come join me.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Come join me in heaven the ropes don't hurt, Chris. What? Yes, Chris. You know what I was thinking about? A whole family could go on a vacation to heaven. Yes, the whole family, Chris. And then the paranoia kicked in. Benoit would take different routes to the airport and sometimes wouldn't let his family
Starting point is 00:34:40 leave the house. Nancy's sister said that Benoit had 30 different routes to the gym, so in his words, his movements couldn't be monitored. I want to say this though, because he did, are we going to talk about his brain? Yeah, we'll talk about that a bunch later. I believe that he was taking, not purpose, I don't think this was on purpose. I think he was lost. I think he was taking different routes and he would just make up an excuse to be like,
Starting point is 00:35:03 well, they're watching me. That's why I took this different route. I literally just don't think he remembered where he was going. It could be. That's very interesting. Yeah. Honestly, Chris, that's a very good idea, because also I'm just imagining how scary it would be for a man of this size to be, you're in an Uber with this man.
Starting point is 00:35:18 And he's like, take a left turn, I don't care what the GPS is. Helicopters everywhere. They just let me, I'd jump up and I'd grab the helicopters with my bare hand, I'd snap them over my knee, but the government won't let me, Ooptar, they won't let me. And please, sir, please, I just, the fair, the fair is already locked in. I have to take that. I have to take what they tell me to take. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Benoit does not follow what the GPS says. And top and all off, Benoit was actually off steroids. Now while this may seem like a good thing, some doctors have done studies that point towards the possibility that going off steroids can result in severe depression, although the data is inconclusive on that. All of this came to a head on one terrible weekend in June of 2007. On Friday, June 22, Benoit snapped. We don't know what set him off or when exactly during the day the whole thing began.
Starting point is 00:36:21 What we do know is that Nancy was attacked by Benoit and had attempted to fight him off before being overpowered by the 220 pound wrestler in the upstairs bedroom. He bound her limbs later on her stomach and wrapped a cord around her neck. He pressed his knee into her back and pulled on the cord, eventually strangling her to death. He then wrapped her body in a towel and set a Bible next to her body. Nancy's body would stay there with her child in the house for three more days. The next day at 3.30pm, Benoit called wrestler Chavo Guerrero, Eddie's nephew, and left
Starting point is 00:37:04 a voicemail saying he had overslept and missed his flight to Beaumont, Texas, where Benoit was scheduled to wrestle in a house show, which are audience specific exhibitions that aren't actually televised. Guerrero, sensing something was wrong, called back Benoit who told Chavo that he had suffered a stressful day as his wife and child were sick from food poisoning. The phone call ended with Benoit uncharacteristically telling Guerrero that he loved him. I listened to Chavo talk about this and he said that it was scary because Chris Benoit was like, no, no, listen, I love you and he was just like, that is an aggressive way to
Starting point is 00:37:38 say I love you. Right. Now Benoit didn't show up at all for his flight to Texas. Another co-worker called to see where he was and Benoit informed her that Nancy and Daniel were only getting sicker with Nancy vomiting blood at this point. He's trying to set up an excuse almost. He's like trying to formulate whether or not he can figure out how to say that it was an accident that they died a little bit.
Starting point is 00:38:01 He might be. I think so. Yeah. He might be or he might just be buying. I think he's just buying time to figure out what the fuck is he. What is he going to do? You can't even imagine what the mind of him must have been like at this point. The panic and the pain and everything.
Starting point is 00:38:14 Or it could also be, you know, if his brain was so damaged, he might have actually thought that he was just sick from food poisoning. He might have forgotten that he killed her. That night between 3.51 and 3.58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages from both his and Nancy's phone to co-workers. The first sent from Benoit's phone read, my physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville, Georgia. The second also from Benoit's phone read, the dogs are in the enclosed pool area.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Garage side door is open. The third, fourth, and fifth were all sent from Nancy's and repeated the first message. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville, Georgia. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville, Georgia. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville, Georgia. He just kept sending it to people and no one knows why. Well, he also had a P.O. box, which is what he said because he got so paranoid that he took off.
Starting point is 00:39:12 So he's just wants them and, you know, it's terrifying. It's terrifying to receive in the middle of the night. Now, the time of Benoit's son, Daniel's death is unknown, but he is thought to have died somewhere between Saturday and Sunday as his body was not as decomposed as his mother's was. Benoit sedated Daniel with a dose of Xanax and strangled the seven-year-old boy, leaving another Bible by his body. Now, on Sunday, June 24th, Benoit was actually scheduled to wrestle and beat CM Punk at WWE
Starting point is 00:39:44 Vengeance Night of Champions, winning the ECW title. And some people say that that's one of the things that contributed to Benoit's breakdown, the extreme amount of pressure that he was under to win again and again and again. But Benoit would never make it to the event. At some point in that day, Benoit went down to his mirrored basement workout room, made a noose out of the cord of a pull-down machine, and tied weights to the other end. He then wrapped a towel around his neck, tied the towel to the machine's handle, and released the weights, snapping his neck instantly.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Years later, Nancy's sister Sandra would reveal that sometime over the weekend, Benoit had Googled the quickest and easiest way to break a neck. This is what I find very interesting about this, his suicide specifically, how symbolic is that? Right, sure. How symbolic is like literally snapping your own neck with the weight machine, the thing that's now become like, it is your way of life? How much do you know this machine?
Starting point is 00:41:14 You're there for hours and hours a day, pumping and pumping. Since you were 12 years old, you've been working on that machine. And it's like, in terms of just accidental poetry and suicide, it's that perfect symbol, like imagining how haunting it was to see his body hanging from the fucking lat machine. Yeah, brutal. And it's just sad, because that match with him and CM Punk at Vengeance would have been awesome. It really would have been awesome, because CM Punk is a badass dude.
Starting point is 00:41:42 Now the next day, the WWE was notified of the five text messages Benoit had sent, and coupled with two no shows in a row, and especially coupled with such a huge event where he was supposed to win a title, WWE figured it was time to call the cops. But the cops, for some reason, called his neighbor to go check on the family instead of just going out there themselves, and the bodies were discovered by the neighbor in the early afternoon. And isn't that nice of the police, just to have the neighbor have that experience? Just let them have it, stay within the family, stay within the neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:42:14 So apparently it was because he had five or six wild German shepherds that the cops would approach the front of the building, and these dogs are like, they're like, guys, we better send the neighbor in. Yeah, the neighbor's like, but you know the dogs attacked me too. Yeah, it isn't funny, it is funny, huh? But one of us has a gun. All right. No suicide note was found, but a Bible that was later shipped to Benoit's ex-wife in
Starting point is 00:42:43 a box of personal possessions had a handwritten notation on the pages that read, I'm preparing to leave this earth. That night, the WWE, not knowing yet that Benoit had committed the crimes, devoted their entire Monday Night Raw programming to Chris Benoit in a hastily thrown together tribute. They thought at this point that it was probably a murder. Well they didn't know it was a murder, they just knew that he died. And then of course this was Vince McMahon, it was supposed to be a funeral for him because his character at this point was dead, so he came out, broke character, did the whole
Starting point is 00:43:16 thing. This was a, I guess this is a blooper, it's tough for the WWE though, they go through so many tragedies and things like that and they just wanted to be nice. Now nobody really knows when the WWE was notified that police had deduced that the Benoit family was dead by murder, suicide, but some say McMahon found out during the broadcast, but understandably let the whole thing play out anyway. What are you supposed to do? You're in the middle of a bit.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Yeah, what can you do? It was like a three hour, because Raw is what, two hours long? It was two hours, it might have been three hours at that point. Yeah, it might have been, but yeah, Raw was at least two hour long show, so they put together a two hour long tribute, they pretty much canceled all the matches, none of the wrestlers were there. And what is he gonna do? Go out in the middle, an hour and a half in and say like, oh, nevermind, bye bad, actually
Starting point is 00:44:09 he killed everyone. And then like fake die on stage and be like, no, no, I am dead, I am dead, I'm an investment man. We're gonna need a bit of a mulligan here, it looks like, well, he's not too much of an angel, am I right? Bing bong, bing bong, I don't know what they do to the rest. I have no idea. Well, my God, the Owen Hart tribute was the saddest Raw of all time.
Starting point is 00:44:27 Well, Owen Hart, I actually watched that live. I was watching that pay review, yeah, Owen Hart was, he was a wrestler who was doing a stunt where he was gonna fly in from the top of a stadium on a zip line and was gonna land in the middle of the ring, but his harness broke and he fell to his death. Vince McMahon refused to pay the union dues, so they got some random dude in there to hook him up from the ceiling. Owen Hart, I believe he was playing the Blue Angel. The Blue Bomber.
Starting point is 00:44:53 The Blue Bomber, something like that. And yeah, so he snapped his neck on the turnbuckle as he fell because Vince McMahon did hire the right crew. I also feel that, you know, see Vince McMahon is running the first ever cut of the memorial trailer for Owen Hart. He's just like, do you think using free fallen is too much for the memorial video? You know what, Vince? I think it might be.
Starting point is 00:45:14 It's a bunch of creatine. When an autopsy was performed on Chris Benoit, doctors found that his brain was comparable to that of an 85 year old Alzheimer's patient. Oh my God. Now, while Alzheimer's patients had been known to kill, I found a few stories of Alzheimer's patients losing their minds and killing their roommates in nursing homes. That's scary. That is.
Starting point is 00:45:40 We got to do a whole episode on that. What do you mean? You just found a few stories of that? Found a few stories. Retiree Hellhouses. That's incredible. Wow. But it is extremely rare considering how many Alzheimer's patients there are in the
Starting point is 00:45:51 world. It's extremely rare that they lose their mind and kill some. We're just going to drop grandma off here at M Night Shyamalan's Hospice. Yeah, everything should be fine. We got to do a whole episode on Alzheimer's patients that kill. He's just in a room with a 90 year old man who's 350 pounds of pure cut muscle. I was just like, are you my daughter? I hate my daughter.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Also Benoit, he showed clear signs throughout the weekend that he knew full well what he was doing. Like he sat down the Bibles. He wrote the note in his own Bible like Benoit, he gave the kids Xanax before strangling him to death. Benoit, he knew what he was doing. Well, if I know my Alzheimer's as much as I kind of do with my grandfather in the home, they go through moments where they realize what they've done and then they forget so
Starting point is 00:46:39 much. Lucidity. So it's very bizarre. You would imagine he had moments of clarity that must have been extremely difficult for him to rationalize. But also remember that the doctor said that it was comparable to an Alzheimer's patient. He did not say that he had the brain of an Alzheimer's patient. But the WWE tried to spin this, they jumped on the word Alzheimer's, they tried to spin
Starting point is 00:47:01 it by saying in a statement that there's no way an Alzheimer's patient could have pulled off the technical moves that Benoit was known for. Yeah, they literally praised his wrestling and they said it was too good for him to have it in the mind of an Alzheimer's patient. You don't understand, but the feet have a mind of their own. I guess so. But now the WWE takes concussions very seriously. Daniel Bryan, for example, had to retire early at the peak of his career because of him and
Starting point is 00:47:26 stuff like that. Yeah. And you know what? Him being able to do all those sick moves while being Alzheimer's patient, that is true. He wouldn't have been able to do that. But the statement was an attempt by the WWE to both distance and absolve themselves from any responsibility as far as both them while steroid use and his head injuries went, both of which are huge problems in contact sports like wrestling and football.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Yeah. I think the two WWE's credit, they did not put him into the Hall of Fame. O.J. Simpson is still in the Hall of Fame, by the way, in 1985. He was a very, very good football. And he was also found not guilty. Yeah. I'm just saying, I think at some point you get, 1984, you get, you get out of the Hall
Starting point is 00:48:05 of Fame. But O.J. Simpson was a better football player than Crispin Wall was a wrestler. No, I don't think that that's true. I would say they were pretty equal. Yeah. But football, I'm not, we're going to get, I'm just going to get beat up in the street. Football's a real sport, football's got like rules to it.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Oh, there are rules to wrestling. It's just so much fun to break them. You got a 10 count? Yeah, it's just fun to break them. I like those matches where there are no rules. No holds barred. Yeah. Now all four regions of Crispin Wall's brain showed signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy,
Starting point is 00:48:40 which is a condition brought on by repeated head trauma that results in memory problems, depression, aggression, erratic and abnormal behavior and suicide in many cases. The last thing you want the rabid Wolverine to be suffering from. Yeah. That is not, this is a very dangerous combination. Also for those of you that just think that nerds and goths suffer from depression, jocks suffer from it too. And it comes from beating you up.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Isn't that sad? Think about that. The source of your pain is also the source of their pain. Oh my, jocks beat each other up far more than they beat up anybody else. Now one football player who suffered from CTE, Justin, it's a Polish name. Stryzolek. Stryzolek. There you go.
Starting point is 00:49:23 There you go. Henry. Thank you, Henry. He la bodusci. Yeah. Dame buscia. That means kiss my ass in Polish. Dame buscia.
Starting point is 00:49:31 In Bosnia, which means Merry Christmas. That guy led police on a 90 mile an hour car chase on the wrong side of the highway before hitting a tank truck and dying in a fireball of steel and sadness at the age of 36. The day before this guy had called up friends saying the devil as well as quote evil people in Pittsburgh were out to get them. No, I do believe that. Never underestimate Pittsburgh because there are some evil people in there, all right? They're gossipy.
Starting point is 00:50:02 They can be very gossipy and they can be very physically aggressive. Yes. I do love the people in Pittsburgh. Thanks for everyone who listens in Pittsburgh. I love Pittsburgh. My fucking, my girlfriends from Steel City only make the finest ladies. They wonderful ladies in Pittsburgh. Now other sufferers of CTE include wrestler Andrew Test Martin who OD'd on pain pills
Starting point is 00:50:22 in 2009 and our favorite Mick Foley who thankfully is showing nothing more than memory loss and is taking very good care of himself these days. Can barely walk though because of the years. The fact that he is doing as well as he is is a freaking miracle. It is. I will say we will also all end up barely being able to walk but it's because we've made a career where we sit down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:45 I love the opposite. Totally. It's like we're crippling our bodies the opposite way by atrophying our knees and our ankles. I want to have the same legs that Chris Farley had in that sketch on SNL where they were all doing steroids together and they kicked up their legs and David Spade had his real legs. That was a funny sketch. That's what I want for my legs.
Starting point is 00:51:02 But the underlying factor between all these cases is a history of untreated concussions. Chris Bimois who if you'll remember was one of the few wrestlers who would take a chair shot to the back of the head said he had more concussions than he could count and those were just the ones that were diagnosed. Yeah. No one can tell me that I can't count. All right. I've had one, two, niner, five, five, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Did I hear a niner in there? Did I hear a niner in there? Yeah. Did I hear a niner in there? I didn't even question Tommy Boy. Remember this is all voluntary. He chose to do this. Of course.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Like Chris Bimois he chose to take chair shots to the back of the head. He chose to make the diving head but his signature move. Nobody made him do any of this. As a pro wrestling fan it's awesome when Mick Foley has a great match, well it's actually pretty horrendous. It's a counts fall anywhere match. No disqualification. Mick Foley's parents or his family, his wife and his children are in the front row.
Starting point is 00:52:08 The rock handcuffs him behind his, his hands behind his back and hits him about 30 times with a chair in the head. Again, that's why it's a miracle Mick Foley is as well as he is today. You could imagine Benoit doing similar things but in Japan death match style. Yeah. Now while this may seem like an open and shut case to us, there are not surprisingly numerous conspiracy theories surrounding Benoit's death. The leading conspiracy involves Nancy Benoit's ex-husband Kevin Sullivan, the Satanist.
Starting point is 00:52:36 The Sullivan theory originated with a former Ku Klux Klan imperial wizard named Johnny Lee Clary who wrestled as Johnny Angel in Arkansas in the 80s. No, it's a, I'm a former KKK member, okay? Nothing is, yeah, nothing is more reliable and what a good, I totally believe him. Absolutely. Yeah. He was one of those guys that went on like Oprah and the Morton Downey Jr. show where they were out and proud KKK members, out and proud racists.
Starting point is 00:53:04 He was one of those assholes. Of course. Yeah, but to his credit, he denounced the KKK in 1990 and joined forces with Wade Watts, the former leader of the Oklahoma NAACP and began preaching against racism. Very good. So he's the very least reformed, but that does not erase his post-racism career as a Satan bait and Jimmy Swagger style evangelist. He's still hateful.
Starting point is 00:53:25 He just transferred his hate to something else as a lot of these guys do when they supposedly reform. Now, Clary claimed in an article that Benoit was completely and totally innocent and was in fact murdered and set up by Nancy's ex-husband, Kevin Sullivan, who was supposedly a high-ranking member in the church of Satan, harkening back to his days with Big Daddy Dank and the rest. Of course. Of course. It all makes sense.
Starting point is 00:53:49 You understand that Satanists don't group together. Everything's wrong. Everything's wrong with the story, but we'll, you know, you know what I mean. The Satanic Bible says, very specifically and very strongly, do not harm little children. It's a travesty. It's not good. This is a smear campaign. Yeah, it's a character that Kevin Sullivan was playing.
Starting point is 00:54:13 It's all a character. Kane and the Undertaker are not brothers in real life. Yeah, they are. What? Yeah, they are. What? Yeah, they're brothers. Are they actually brothers?
Starting point is 00:54:22 No. No. Of course they're not. They're just two other giant men that have to press belly to belly to with each other every week. Not anymore. Undertaker has retired. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Oh, did he? Yeah. He had its final WrestleMania, the one that you did not come to my apartment for. Well, I was having problems. You were busy. Yes. I was having problems. Snubbed.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'm not going to get into what problems I was having, but I was having problems. I don't snap. I just snubbed. Snubbed. In this version of the story, and Clary's version of the story, Sullivan broke into the Benoit house with a group of Satanists 10 years to the day after his divorce from Nancy and murdered the entire family in an act of revenge, sullying Benoit's name forever in the process.
Starting point is 00:55:04 The thing is, is that Benoit, like Kevin Sullivan had been out of the wrestling game for a while. Right? Well, the funny thing is, is that right after Benoit stole his wife away, Benoit and Sullivan had a retirement match and Sullivan lost and retired from wrestling because Sullivan didn't want to wrestle anymore. He wanted to be a booker. He, I mean, this was all agreed to beforehand that he knew that he was going to get out.
Starting point is 00:55:29 But yeah, that was in like nine, that was in 97 when Sullivan got out. So he'd been out of the business for 10 years. So yeah, Sullivan walks in there, Benoit's most jacked and insane that he's ever been in his life. He couldn't beat him. No way. Yeah. And five, 90-pound Satanists all just bullied into there being like, well, listen here guys,
Starting point is 00:55:49 we're going to go in there. We're killing Chris Benoit. And they're like, we're going to kill who? I thought Echo and the Bunny men were coming into town. So I kind of was going to go to that instead. And there's a new kind of classy hot dog restaurant next to it called Hot Dogs with the DAWG on there that makes specialty hot dogs. I was going to get one of those and then pop over to the concert and not fight the rabid
Starting point is 00:56:13 Wolverine. I don't want to kill the rabid Wolverine in his family. Woman could have beaten up Kevin Sullivan at this point. I would be surprised if he was walking. Yeah. Clary took quite a bit of heat for his claims and has since taken down the article, but it does survive on conspiracy theory message boards like the notorious Godlike Productions. And speaking of Godlike Productions, I found another theory on the Chris Benoit board that
Starting point is 00:56:38 brings in another old conspiracy chestnut. The Jews did it. Huh. How do all the... Yikes. Every conspiracy. How does it get? How does it get there?
Starting point is 00:56:51 I don't know. I don't understand. They've done nothing. They did nothing wrong. They don't... Goldberg was the only active Jewish man to ever wrestle, correct? No, many of other ones were, but Goldberg, yeah, he's like the king one. Well, speaking of Goldberg, this is what user interdimensional warrior wrote in the Clary thread.
Starting point is 00:57:10 My opinion is that Benoit was murdered by someone who knew him and that the motive was revenge or keeping him quiet about something. Benoit was outspoken about not wanting wrestling to be a circus side-show and he was a four-real type of guy. In contrast, the man named quote-unquote Goldberg never lost a match. What more stereotypical and easily detectable Jewish name is there? Why did the purveyors of Rail Pro Wrestling want us to think Jews were undefeatable? Nuff said about who I think killed him.
Starting point is 00:57:48 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life, but I got to say that Goldberg gimmick was so aggravating. It was extremely aggravating. He's a hundred and oh! It's like, just have a wrestling match. Yeah. No. It's Lesnar Mademoiselle.
Starting point is 00:57:59 You said Nuff said. Yeah. So, it's done. Oh, I see. It's Nuff said. Well, if you don't know, Bill Goldberg was a supposedly unbeatable wrestler. His heyday was in the 90s, but he is in one of my favorite Christmas movies, Santa Slay.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Oh, it is a great movie, actually. He had just had a match with Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania that there was a total of 11 moves, they were all suplexes and spears. It was absolutely atrocious, and the WCW brought him out to counteract Stone Cold Steve Austin's rise to fame. Yeah. So, I mean, it was just, he's a terrible wrestler. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:29 And also, Goldberg left the WWE in 2004. I don't know why the Jews would wait until 2007 to exact revenge. It's almost like it's a bullshit answer. No. Yeah. This is what another user wrote about this same subject. The at the time, WWF wouldn't let the popular Benoit wrestle Goldberg because he said he would have slammed the bastard in under 10 seconds, and of course torpedoed one of the
Starting point is 00:58:59 many Psyops being ran on pro wrestling, so that's proof that go standard. Yeah. So this guy believes that Goldberg being unbeatable undefeated is a Psyop to make us believe that Jews are unbeatable. Okay. Yes. Brilliant. I think the way to say that the Jews are unbeatable is that they've been the focus of rage and
Starting point is 00:59:21 hate by every society for the last couple thousands of years, and they still exist and live on Mars. Apparently. I mean, the funniest thing about pro wrestling fans is they do break down, like be like, well, Shawn Michaels, he isn't the best because he's like a six and eight at WrestleMania, but you got to look at Undertaker, he's 23 and two at WrestleMania. It's like, they make it up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:41 They make it up. It's about respecting how great the matches are. How do you win? Who cares who wins? One of the most things that either Benoit would sink his entire career to expose the Jewish conspiracy if given the chance, or this guy believes that professional wrestling is real. Can you imagine Chris Benoit testifying to Congress?
Starting point is 00:59:59 So Mr. Benoit, you've been brought here because you believe the Jews are trying to overwhelm the WWE. Is that correct? It's not that they're trying to overwhelm, it's that they have currently and already overwhelmed the WWE. I was forced to eat several piles of latkes before my recent weight. They said they were trying to ruin my, my body weight ratio because as you can see, I'm pure uncut family killing muscle and they wanted to disturb my diet regimen also.
Starting point is 01:00:33 But I will say, love the tiny hats. I am getting so cold up top because of my recent thinning hair and it's just nice to have the one isolated warm spot and for that, I give them a thumbs up. Just happy we could waste the taxpayer dollars of having you here, Mr. Benoit. Thank you for coming to Congress. Now another theory swirling about involves the phone call Benoit made with Chavo Guerrero on that Saturday. Supposedly Chavo said in a WWE magazine interview that at about 45 minutes into the conversation,
Starting point is 01:01:08 a knock came at the door when Chris opened the door up, Chavo said supposedly that the phone dropped to the ground, a scuffle was heard and the line went dead, Benoit didn't call Chavo back for another three hours. Only problem with this is the interview doesn't exist. It never happened. Yeah, but that's the only problem with it. So let's let's take that into account. The only problem is that he never said it.
Starting point is 01:01:54 Who was knocking at the door? Nobody because Chavo never said that anyone was knocking the door. There's no article that exists. Yep, that's the best way to lock into conspiracies to have no source. Or to claim that there is a source when no source exists. You can say that, you know, I heard about this in the New York Times. It sounds good when I say it's in the New York Times, but the problem is that there is no such article in the New York Times that I am signed because the WWE would have never
Starting point is 01:02:25 allowed Chris Benoit's name to be mentioned in their official magazine. In fact, after the murders, they scrubbed him completely from their history. It's only recently that they've allowed matches involving Benoit to be shown on the WWE Network. Which is only $10 a month, a steal at any price. Wow, good plug. The interview never happened and this is just another rumor repeated ad nauseam with one website citing another website citing another none of them linking or posting pictures to the interview in question.
Starting point is 01:02:58 Well, that's the thing. I was doing some Google search. I don't even know how you deduce it because it's the rabbit hole of lies that makes it all true. It's all fake. One thing I also like is that they keep going to other wrestlers for clarification on information on this whole case and you're just dealing with other men with pre Alzheimer's brains just saying crazy shit because they're hopped up on HGH like Chavo.
Starting point is 01:03:22 I was listening to a fucking interview with him. He sounds like a fucking maniac. I was like, I don't think he's reliable either. Who knows? Yeah. Now, one strange thing that did actually happen involved Wikipedia. 12 hours before police discovered the body of Nancy Benoit, a Wikipedia user had edited her entry to say Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match
Starting point is 01:03:44 at Vengeance as Benoit was not there due to personal issues stemming from the death of his wife, Nancy. That was 12 hours before anyone knew that she was dead. Did Benoit do that? No. He doesn't know how to use the computer. Yes, I mean he has to know how to use the computer. No, he didn't do that because the post was made from Stanford, Connecticut, suspiciously
Starting point is 01:04:03 close to WWE headquarters, prompting some to believe that someone in the WWE had prior knowledge of the murders and had left the cat out of the bag too soon. Interesting. While this may seem fishy, turned out huge coincidence. If you haven't figured out by now, wrestling fans tend to be a bit of a gossip heavy bunch and speculation was swirling around on message boards on Sunday night that the only reason why Benoit might miss such a gigantic match, the death of a family member, perhaps his wife.
Starting point is 01:04:40 Yeah. It's not too far of a jump. It's not a far jump. It is a perfectly reasonable thing to assume because they were fucking right. The entry had been changed by a 19 year old wrestling fan who would also humorously change the wiki entries for the Bronx, the Sopranos, Ron Artest, the African Wild Ass, Stacey Kebler, and the town of Nogatuck, Connecticut. Oh man, you got to leave meta world peace alone.
Starting point is 01:05:04 What's wrong? Ron Artest got mental problems. You got people with mental problems. Leave meta alone. The African Wild Ass is one of the juiciest fucking deers that everybody wants to stick a finger in. That's what it is. That's what it is.
Starting point is 01:05:21 You don't need backup for that. It's like an article, mom fucking mom's house. It is a fun day for a 19 year old, I got to say. Yeah. I saw a video of him in a police interrogation room. The 19 year old? The 19 year old. He's laughing.
Starting point is 01:05:36 He's smiling. He's having a great time. Yeah. It's a Woodward and Bernstein type here. This guy, he cracked the case before everyone else. No. It's not much of a surprise that conspiracy theories about this case exist as there is evidence, as with a lot of big cases involving small town police departments who don't really
Starting point is 01:05:54 have any idea how to handle murders of this magnitude, there's a lot of misinformation about this case. And a lot of that misinformation comes from Fayette County DA Scott Ballard. Ballard publicly and inexplicably said soon after the murders, the track marks have been found on Daniel's arms speculating that perhaps Benoit was juicing his son with HGH because Daniel was small for his size. Ballard went on to unnecessarily say, the ball was very small. Even dwarfed.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Yeah. I mean, that lives on today. Even though that guy came out later and said that he made a mistake. That's the big problem with the internet because things live forever on there and corrections are made to stories that are erroneous, but a lot of times people will find that article. The more popular article is the one that shows up. Yeah. When they do some digging, you don't see that that DA came out and said that he was
Starting point is 01:06:50 wrong about all of these charges. Is it possible they were just trying to be sensitive to the victim? I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. And this was all in speculation that the murders occurred due to marital strain stemming from Daniel supposedly suffering from a rare physical and mental disorder called Fragile X. I think they were just asking at straws.
Starting point is 01:07:10 But they don't understand that if they let him grow into teenage years, he will be able to control ice and metal. Fragile X. Daniel, Daniel, you know how many times kids corner you in the middle of a locker room and they're trying to take your milk and you brought your precious milk in there, you had to wait in line for that milk. Never again, my tiny son Daniel, gonna make you big like daddy because being big solves all your problems.
Starting point is 01:07:41 It kinda does. Yeah, you're big. You have no problems. No. Not every day's a nightmare. No. It's simply not a problem that you can't fit in planes and that your heart is gonna be too small for the rest of your frame and it's gonna eventually kill you just because you
Starting point is 01:07:56 can't get blood everywhere. Democratic strategist, Ben Kissel. That's my new... Yes. Nancy's sister Sandra refuted the whole Fragile X claim years later on wrestler Chris Jericho's podcast saying that she saw the body herself and there were no track marks nor are there any medical records stating that Daniel had Fragile X. Now, at the end of the day, the Chris Benoit case, much like Sandy Hook and other tragedies
Starting point is 01:08:23 is so terrible and so unthinkable that people attach conspiracy theories to it to try to give a simple answer to a complicated question. But the facts remain that Benoit committed a senseless act that was preventable for which there can be no justification or excuse. That was going to the doctor isn't necessarily the first thing you want to do. And the WWE at the time, like you were saying, Marcus, it's like, it's like Scientology or whatever. Like
Starting point is 01:10:09 you go to the doctor and you're complaining about an issue. That doctor, it works for the WWE. No, Ben Wauber, he did not, he played injured. He did not, he actually didn't go to the doctor much at all. Well, because you'll be demonized for it. And then it's a boys club too. So it'd be like, oh, this guy's not tough enough to be around here anymore. I suppose so. But that's the, but the thing is about that is that like, it's one thing if he, you know, doesn't check shit up and has like a drunk driving accident or something
Starting point is 01:10:34 like that. It's another thing if you kill your entire family because you're afraid to go to the doctor. It always is. And also the other family members, the other wrestling guys, they looked up to him as if he was the same one. Like they kind of propped him up saying that he was this nice cool guy. They would go to him when they have like, well, legal problems or wrestling problems or relationship problems. So he kind of was also bolstered by the opinion of him where he came in, where he was like big, like he was the guy that handled shit. So he could never appear to be weak.
Starting point is 01:11:06 And you can, yeah. And you can YouTube that Stone Cold Steve Austin talking about him, just like, what a great guy he was. And then, uh, yeah, But it's bogus masculinity. It's just this, but it's this bullshit thing of like, you got to do this. So that's what makes you a man, but just like, it doesn't because you end up killing your family, which in the end is like the least manly thing I think you can do. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think taking care of your family is the most manly thing you can do. So it's say the least manly would be killing them. But now with OJ in the comparison,
Starting point is 01:11:34 no, he doesn't have the mental disease. Does he? Uh, well, I mean, OJ, I mean, he could have suffered from a concussions at one point in his career. But of course, I mean, his shit happened years later and OJ had his had a lot more to do with ego than anything else. Like, OJ was just a piece of shit. And OJ didn't, I mean, honestly, he, he didn't kill himself at the end of it. I mean, so Benoit obviously felt like an immense amount of, No, OJ
Starting point is 01:12:00 Can you imagine what, what that goes, what goes through your mind when you're tying your weight bench ropes to your neck and doing that whole thing? Yeah. OJ didn't try it like the whole bronco thing. OJ should have stabbed himself right away. Yeah. The whole bronco thing, that wasn't about him trying to commit suicide. That was about him trying to make the entire thing about him. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:18 Yeah. All right. Well, Chris Benoit, so sad. Yeah. And we can also say, if you feel like personally that, you know, you're having problems with your mental health problems with your brain, if you feel like you may hurt somebody or hurt somebody else, take this as a lesson and go get help immediately because sometimes you just lose control. And it doesn't make you less of a champion to ask for help.
Starting point is 01:12:40 No. I also have the WWE Network. Every month we'll be showing the live paper views. Please come over. The last time I had very few people come over, I was very happy they did. They'll go, Jesse Gold was there. Thank you, Jesse. He created our intro video for our live show. Micah Sherman was there as well. And GX, the nice guy as well. So thank you for coming over to my house. And remember that mental health is not your fault, but it is your responsibility.
Starting point is 01:13:03 But it is your responsibility when your friend says, hey, WrestleMania, once a year, come on over, but then you don't show up. So that is people do. And you know, it could possibly be because somebody was taking responsible for his own mental health. I don't know. Maybe. I'm just happy you didn't blame me for not going to your 30th birthday there. So now we're even. I didn't go to the market. Remember that, Henry? I didn't go to Marcus's 30th birthday.
Starting point is 01:13:20 So I'll agree to never bring up my 30th birthday ever again. If you agree to never bring up WrestleMania. No, you can bring up your 30th birthday because I don't care. I do care about the rest. I don't really care. I don't care about WrestleMania either. You missed a really fun night. This is sad. This is we have a big announcement to make. If you're listening to the show, you're a big, you're a part of this and it's, it's something that's kind of, it's big deal
Starting point is 01:13:43 for us, which is kind of, I don't know how it happened. We were nominated for a Webby Awards for Best Comedy Podcast. We are, we're up against a bunch of people that have a lot of kind of corporate funding behind them. You guys have made us what we are. You listen to the show every week. You've given us the money to our Patreon. It's been an incredible movement. It would really mean a lot if you voted for us for Best Comedy Podcast. You just kind of put your stupid email in there, but the only thing you couple other follow up emails is not that involved. And it would, it would be incredible if we could take this to the house.
Starting point is 01:14:15 Go to WebbyAwards.com because there's two awards. There's a committee award, which we will not win. Oh, that's what the elites. Yeah. Which, which is the best intellectual comedy podcast? Technically it is ours, but they will not. Yeah, but there, and there's also the People's Choice Awards, which is the one that we'd rather win anyway. Of course.
Starting point is 01:14:33 So if you go to WebbyAwards.com, you can go and vote for us for Best Comedy Podcast. The first year they're doing podcasts, this is a gigantic honor. And the only reason why we're here is because of you guys, the listeners. So thank you so very, very much. Thank you so much. And let's see, for Patreon subscribers, I did do a creepypasta. I did the one this week was psychosis and it was a long one. Yeah. It was like 40 minutes long. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:15:02 It was, it took for, I'm in my closet and I was getting scared. I was like, boy, I'm starting to sweat and the whole thing is a nightmare. And I'll be dropping some Patreon shit this week too that I hope will make you feel enjoyment instead of sadness. And I will be continuing my reading series on the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Awesome. And we have a little bit more time because we're not traveling these next two weeks. So we apologize if we haven't been getting the stuff out to you in time or whatever. We're doing the best we can.
Starting point is 01:15:27 Yeah. We're just really busy. We just love you guys so much. And we're excited to see you at all the live shows in the future. Yeah. And we also just hit a gigantic milestone with our Patreon. We're now getting $20,000 a month. It means a lot. It means so fucking much. And thank you to the people that give from the top to the bottom. Patreon.com slash last podcast on the left. If you feel like we deserve it, you guys
Starting point is 01:15:49 have fucking changed our lives. You have no idea how much you've changed our lives. Thank you so much. How much power you've given us, how much cool to live this life. We put so much attention towards the podcast. Hopefully we're just going to get better and not slide into despair. That's right. Keep on supporting all the shows here on CCR. You guys have been wonderful. Appliance top half for everything political. Roundtable of gentlemen. It feels like you're hanging out with your friends, having a couple of beers. It's ridiculous to say the least.
Starting point is 01:16:15 Of course, Jackie Zabrowski is on that and page seven section and other human activities. Movie signs with the mats. Check that out and Wizard of the Bruiser. Yeah. Yeah. Check out those. Follow us on Twitter. I'm at Henry loves you at Marcus Parks at Ben Kissel. Follow us at Instagram at Dr. Fantasty at Marcus Parks at Ben Kissel one and follow us on all the bullshits at LP on the left for all of our collective announcements and all that or shit. I don't know what the fuck we do with it. And go follow me on Spotify. There it is. Also before we go, I actually just got like a fucking dumb hot bulletin that I was texted.
Starting point is 01:16:49 Don Rickles just passed away. Did any text you that? Yeah. Don Rickles died. Don Rickles was the he's an insult comic. If you're not aware, look up at his old school stuff. He's just when the original roast, he was like the master of that. He's one of the funniest human beings that ever lived. There was a thing that me and my dad like brought us together, of course, because he was a horrendously offensive little man and made me and my father laugh ever since I was a little kid. Yep. And he if he did not exist, we would definitely not exist. Our come on my I would definitely not exist as a comedian. He was the one who gave me the seed for every. I was like, I literally since I was two or three years old, we watched
Starting point is 01:17:28 Don Rickles. And it's a big deal. And I hope to see him on the other side. He's the last of an iconic class of comedians who actually got to sit down and roast, you know, sitting presidents. Ronald Reagan was part of the roast. You know, he did an amazing job. Barry Goldwater was on the days at some point with him. I got to see him live with Eddie Larson. We were drinking and smoking weed in the back corner of the parking lot before we before we went in. It was a bunch of old people. It was Regis Fieldman opening up cold open. He sang amazing. He was incredible. And then Rickles came on stage and just crushed it for an hour. And he had to be 85 years old at the time. And the first question asked
Starting point is 01:18:06 by the person in the front row, the elderly gentleman before the show began to the person walking down working there was like, when's it over? When does it end? And I was like, everyone in this crowd is super old. And those two dudes, Rickles closing it out, it was remarkable to see a dude be able to do that at his age. And I also want to give some thank yous here at the end. I want to give a thank you to the strange people store a t-shirt company that just sent us some amazing t-shirts that are super cool. They just sent us like they designed a bat squat shirt based on. Yeah, I got one now. I have one. I bought one on the side because I saw it pop up. Yeah. Well, now you got two because they sent you
Starting point is 01:18:46 one for free. I also want to thank Morbid Empire merchandise for sending us the Unabomber World Tour shirts. And I also want to thank the anonymous stranger who's just sent me a 12 pack of iron brew in the mail. Yes. I have no idea who sent this to me. There was no note. It was just a nondescript box with a 12 pack of iron brew. So now you can drink like a Scott. He's still falling out of his mouth. He stopped sending him soda. Send me soda. Iron brew. Iron brew. I get plenty of this at home, Henry. It is really bad what's happening here. It tastes like bubble gum. That's why you like it. It is the most sugary drink I've ever tasted in my life. Well, it tastes like baseball card bubble gum, but
Starting point is 01:19:31 not quite. It's a liquid though. It is a liquid. Yeah. It is an orange Scottish liquid. Glasgow is the only place. Scotland is the only place where Coca-Cola is the number two. Cola are in brew number one and they don't put fluoride in the water and you can tell. And we love them. We do love them. And so it also watch your pretty faces going to hell. We're back up on Sundays 11 30 on adult swim. The first fucking episode. We got great ratings. Fucking please check it out. It only gets better. I'm so proud of what the work we've been doing on this bullshit and hail state. Hail yourselves, everybody. Hail again. And also thanks to the guys at the help pizza shirt. Oh yeah. Also yes. And the last stream on the left
Starting point is 01:20:09 Tuesdays on adult swim.com. That's right. Democratic strategist Ben Kissel signing off. May go to Laysons every move is delicious. Me, you pieces of shit. You are pieces of shit. Now we have to go to your self. Again. Good Lord, anyway. It's fine. I'm sorry, dude. My voice exercises. Don't you sound like in real life? Yeah, this is not. This is me before I turn on my voice for the show because this is me with my voice for the show. Oh, thank you. Yeah, just use that one. This one. That's the normal. But what about my accent? No one wants to hear your real voice. My accent. All right, we got to do these. We got to do these shout outs. Patriot shout outs. I guess I'll just start. Kim Fritz. Thank you very
Starting point is 01:20:57 much. Sarah Lara. That's kind of fun. Sarah Lara unless it's Sarah Lara in which case whichever one Lindsay fucking waste. Yeah, well, I agree. Sarah Lara is how I want to say it. Lindsay Gonzalez, Rebecca Bordeaux, Kelly Aaron Kelly, Lauren Berry, Justin Whitman or Whiteman, Rob Balduris or Baldur ass, Chelsea Poteet, LMT YA. I don't know what I just said. So if it's bad, let me know. LMT YA. Keeley Heck, Matt Collin Donaghan, Danny Marlin, Mallory Knapp, Laurie Marie Martino, Victoria Cassell or Castle, Nick Bender, Ali Edgar, Deborah, Randy, Oh, Oh, K. Oh, Z. I'm going to go with Kawaskiri. No, I used to be a friend. This is this is one of your people sentry. Randy K. O. Z. I. O. R. O. W. Ski. Kazowski,
Starting point is 01:22:00 because I was Rouski, because Rouski. Yeah, there we go. We had a Randy Kaz Rouski and Stephanie Moser. Very good. All right. Shout out to Jessica Marie, Laura Norton, Jake Sanders, James Blackherkey, Rachel Ice, Samantha Marsh, Joshua Gill. You spelled Joshua wrong, though. It's your hour. Tony Payne, Madison Celeste, Maggie Baith, Jared Jack, Brian Dickinson, Paul Z. Smith, Jason Carter, Kendall Davies, Chandel Harkins, Anthony Villarreal, Dale Deville, Jared Gilbreth, Emma Stubbscoff, Ehrlich, Christopher Greenford, Tess Jackson, Brian Mahmood, Matt Lloyd, Tony Wase, Robert Steven Bates Jr., Ian Voyers, Brooke Hatch, Aitha Culture, Mike Dominguez, Jeanette Portillo, Alex Hatch, Brittany Frioux, Sheena McMahon, Christie Wallace, Abby
Starting point is 01:23:08 Bellevue, Ryan Martz, Kristen, Joseph Aguero, Theresa Adie, Daphne Dilsis, Dylan Leaveli. I got Conan Baldwin, Cassie Tramont, Shannon Kellman, B1N4RYB1RD. You know what that is? What? Binary Bird. Oh! He's using Leet. That's fun. Emily Yeow! Whoa. Christopher Lee Froehler, Jake Barnhart, Mary Kate Condon, Jared Batters, Melissa, no, excuse me, Melinda, Rob Dolan, Josephine Bell, Brian Jones. He's dead. Is he? Of the Jones? Not in real life. Yes. I guess so. Natasha Sidney, Emma De Jong, or maybe it's De Jong. Alexander AdaZ Abramowitz. Oh. Oh, Stu. Stu. Jess Rowe Funstein. It's P-F-U-N-D-S-T-E-I-N. That's Funstein. That's Funstein. That is Funstein. That's Funstein. That's Funstein stuff, too. Addie Sainer, Emily Smith, Griffin
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Starting point is 01:25:36 Natalie Eberlin, Kyle Sainer, Dark Dark Owl Blues 7. Dark Owl Blues 7. Kind of a strange name. That's scary. Robert Kraft, of course, he owns the New England Patriots. Kona, Alicia... How much did he give? It just doesn't, it doesn't say, it's just edited though, so that always, he gave us Tom Brady. He gave us Tom Brady. Kona, Alicia Adam, Jason Flinkstrom, Chad Anderson, Sirian Marquez, Ted Kendrick, Daniel Chavez, Brianna O'Brien, Emily Butler, Tony Valentino. Ooh, Tony Valentino. I'll have some pizza. Adam Vale, Say You Love Satan 80s Horror Podcast. Oh, I just did. Wow, look at that. That's how you get a free, that's again, you just pay for the bump. That's it. You just got the last podcast and left bump. Say You Love Satan
Starting point is 01:26:32 80s Horror Podcast. And if that is a podcast, check it out. Who doesn't love horror films? Deanna Gordon, like you don't know. Okay, they're getting fun. Erica Johnston, Zach Damon, Scotty Nelson, Dan Wilbur. And if you get a chance, check out Dan Wilbur's great book regarding the books. Dan Wilbur is actually a very good friend of ours. He used to... He has a book and it is about other books, but he changes the name titles. Yeah, he does better book titles. Better book titles. So go out there. He actually has two books. He's got a book called How Not To Read. And his latest book is called Never Flirt With Puppy Killers. And Dan, apparently the books are selling because he gave us 50 bucks. Thanks, Dan.
Starting point is 01:27:15 Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Wow, Dan. Excited to see you, my friend. Dan, I'm your Stephen King. Jared Ragsdale, Marie Chaparro, Yo Andy Boda, Dwayne Stika, Abby Mulholland, Taylor Sadlowski. Taylor, thank you so much for all your support. She listens to me on all the shows and she watches me on the TV. That's awesome. Thank you, Taylor. I've heard her on Twitter and seen her and I believe we've met her in real life. Yes, she watched her. I just did this thing for ITV or I24TV. Nobody knows what it is, but she watched it and she was very polite, although they did introduce me as a Democratic strategist and she said, when did I become that? And I am to ask you the same question, Taylor. Sean
Starting point is 01:27:56 Lindley. All right. David Quinteros, Lindsay Adair, Madison, Tessa Williams, Lindsay Grace Wade, Kara, David Blakely, Alexis Dent, Summer George, Connor McKinney, Susanna Nebu, Alaina Forrester, Mack Jameson, Eric Billenbaum, Christina Peterson, Jessica Spengler, Eric Morgret, Jacob Reeder, Brandon Harris, Emily Boehner. It's Bonner. Cecily, Branson Allen, Jen Maury, what's going on girl? Jocelyn Volkmar, Alicia Gerhardt, Reggie, El Capitan Bixolato, Lorne Knowles, Hale Satan and thank you. Aaron Frayme, hey Aaron. Thomas Bornman, Eric Severas, Esivio Assaldivar, Matt Hale-Meh Holmes, Nath Savage, Laurie Stanley, Becky Sellers, Emily Padwalny, Lucas Zitterkopf, Karen Tronier, Rebecca J. Brewer, Carrie
Starting point is 01:29:12 Bickett, Reinhardt K. Windy, Taylor Iverson, Kirsten Turple, McMuffin Man 249, Philip Black, Jason Aprio, Andrew Tubbs, Kristie Sims, Kelsey Erickson, Charles Perry, Sarah Jo Lavelle, Andrew Haig, Kevin Parks, Kevin Parks. Oh, different than your name. Don't know that one. It's almost like it's an extremely common last name. Like your parents weren't created. My parents didn't choose the name Parks. Well, they could have chose to change it. What to what? Sparkles? Dynamite? Marcus Sparkles has a ring to it. Marcus Sparkles does have a good ring to it. Yes. Aaron Blaschke, Zach, Mark Smith, Matthew D. Price, Zachary Paul, Karen Zarevitz, Hooker Crafts, Connor R. Mitchell, Brenna Ortt, Rebecca D. Kotlerick, Darcy,
Starting point is 01:30:17 M.B. Marie, Amy Ando, Alice Farr, Jessica Garcia, Smelly Ellie, Smelly Ellie is fucking amazing. Go check out Smelly Ellie's stuff. Just Google Smelly Ellie. She's given us. Actually, I have three pieces of Smelly Ellie's art hanging in my apartment. Awesome. So Smelly Ellie is one of my favorite out there. Definitely go check her out. Adam Busey and Fran Loa Kono. All right. Jay Adams, Marisa Spradling, Victoria Cervantes, Dana Dukovin, or Decoven, Jonathan Colley, Owen Van Der Werf. Oh, Owen Van Der Werf. Cool name. Tony O'Garza, Brett Rapp, Tori E. Selznick, Eric Ballard. Holden enters. Oh, I can't believe you had me. I did it. They donated to the Patriot. I have to do the whole thing. I have to do it. That's
Starting point is 01:31:12 one of the rules. JT Reed, James Vaneco, Megan Galindo, Elizabeth Mada, Brittany Conrad, Liv Browning, Anthony Verdi, Kyle Ortega, Brandon Harvey, Valerie Kremsner, King Brown, Katie Knowles, Val Bourne, Cassandra Berry, Jane, Jeremy Ferris, Lindsay Novak, Lena McKenzie, Brittany Consigli, Kara McFaidagan, Mac Fadgen, their name is M-A-C-F-A-D-G-N. McFadgan. McFadgan. Or McFadgan. I'm not sure. Brittany, I already said that one. Casey, well, I'll say it again. Brittany Consigli. You get it twice. Casey Jones, Kirsten Muderick, Sara Foezey. Foezey? Sara Foezey. Dan Moylan, Andrew Miller, Olivia Tompkins, Jenna Ewn, Carl Batten, Elise Swenson, Justin Cross, Allie Ray Tucker. Allie Ray Tucker. Oh, my God. I like your sister. What
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