Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 267: Aileen Wuornos Part II - Dr. Legal

Episode Date: April 19, 2017

In the conclusion to our series we cover the seven murders of Aileen Wuornos, the hunt that led to her capture, and the bizarre saga of her race to the lethal injection chamber. Heroic Reception Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Anguish Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Colorless Aura Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.co

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There's no place to escape to this is the last That's when the cannon blows them started What was that That's so sad about Alex Jones breaking character man. He just wants his kids, but weren't you guys shocked to find out? He had the kids in the first place No, he's fertile. Yeah, no, I'm not have them. He had custody of the children since 2015. He's got another one on the way He's a provider He's a performer

He's a provider and a performer. I would say if you if you could take his kids away. You could definitely one day take my kids away Yeah, that is the same exact thing. I will say the same exact his kids I was debating this back and forth in my mind, but I think his kids are having a great time Yeah, Alex Jones is your dad. It might be really fun. I think that he is a good dad I think that he's a cute man. I think that it's unfair what the wife is doing to him Yes, he slept with one of his hired employees, which was not wise. Yes He did break the contract quote-unquote of marriage But not enough to break character. I guess not

Let's see. We're good to go. We are. All right. Welcome to the show for what I am Ben Kizzle That's Marcus Parks. We got this other guy with us over there in California It has also been told to me explicitly within my home that I'm not allowed to defend Alex Jones Good. My relationship will suffer. Well, I am not allowed to say that it's unfair what's happening to him I will say I can't defend him as a political sage, but as a performance artist I mean this guy is better than Charlie Chaplin. He's amazing I mean you take a mime and you start waterboarding a mime. I don't care how many bouffant classes he's taken He's gonna start screaming unless he's the best mime there's ever been. But what does the mime say? That's what I want to know

Oh I'm not in the box anymore Bust it out. Well, I guess also I did predict last night at that It is it is my beautiful girlfriend Natalie Jean's birthday today And last night at dinner. I did predict that the facebook killer would commit suicide And I want to get points for that. What did he actually do that? He did but come on man That is such a safe bet. They all commit suicide. I didn't know anyway We have to get on the island war knows part two. I that was that was new information for me

Henry Zabrowski is breaking news I made him do it with my mind bullet. Did you get trump to release his taxes at your march? No All right, we got soundly ignored All right, so we followed up with last episode we talked about her drifter lifestyle Of course, I lean war knows and now we're gonna get deeper into the the nitty gritty. I guess we're getting Oh my goodness Yep, we're gonna get into the actual murders themselves

Now when we last left Eileen the drifter lifestyle had finally caught up to her her earning power as a prostitute had diminished Along with her looks and her demeanor and her girlfriend Ty was on her way out as well And if Ty left then the only person not only who Eileen loved but possibly the only person Whoever truly loved Eileen would be gone forever I think Ty let Lee know that very often. Yeah, I think that that's how she kind of they were tethered to each other And it's a weird codependent thing and Ty was just taking whatever money Eileen was bringing home Well, I think we also have to take into account that we don't know for sure the lead singer of fog hat didn't fall in love with her Eileen and the lead singer of fog hat could have been together forever

No, we don't know if Eileen went out looking to kill for money specifically on the night of november 24th 1989 what we do know is that Eileen was stressed and if we know anything about serial killers It's usually stress that drives them to their first kill Now if only these serial killers knew that stress itself was a silent killer And then they could use stress as a weapon against their victims But make it a nervous like Trying to pick out a sandwich at the sandwich store Jews Jews Jews Jews and wait till they have a fucking stroke

So it's like carbon monoxide Stress the silent killer and I don't think you could use carbon monoxide. I guess if you want to do the long con Yeah, I mean no, you can kill people with carbon monoxide in the night. Remember weird Al's parents Oh Geez Marcus. Yes, I do Yeah, that's a really good way to keep yourself like if you feel like you're gonna come too fast when you're making love Think of weird Al's parents. Yeah, or carbon monoxide poisoning But can you imagine like for example, Isaiah Thomas the great basketball player?

He has a son he his sister passed away before the NBA playoffs But he gets to go play basketball and he was kind of like redeeming But if you're weird Al, you're just gonna put on a fat suit And he did I know we did a great show the day's gonna go on and do a nine minute version of yoda to the tune of lola And and bring it. He is the best and he did he's fantastic Now, we also don't know exactly how things went down that first time during the murder as Eileen herself Has given multiple different accounts of what actually happened that night But we're gonna start with the first confession. She made to cops following her arrest

On the night in question Richard Mallory the 51 year old owner of a clear water electronics repair shop Picked up Eileen around 10 30 p.m. As she was hitching on i4 heading towards Daytona And after picking her up Mallory cracked open a bottle of vodka and smoked a joint while Eileen downed a sixer of beer They arrived in Daytona around midnight But as neither were ready to end the night just yet they pulled over to an out-of-the-way area where they continued talking And drinking so they were driving the whole time He slammed the bottle and she slammed the six beers. This story is nothing but drunk driving wall to wall This is the drunk drivers the ultimate drunk driving cautionary tale

You imagine if they did like what is the gumball derby whatever the hell that thing The hell's gumball derby remember that they they travel all around anyway forget about it. What the gumball the great gumball Oh my god, you gotta stop with this little rascals business. They're funny kids technically really sad orphans, but funny kids. They're orphans. I understand Now eventually Eileen got around to her help me make some money pitch and Mallory agreed Although it would take him until 5 a.m. To make his move So you think about maybe getting into a choir and land That's a good way to make money. I know it's a good sensible way to make money is you got to get into computers Have you heard of that? So yeah, there's a there's cc plus. It's a programming language. I could teach you or you could suck dick

Well once Mallory made his move Eileen got naked and suggested Mallory do the same Now Mallory was known to be a generally paranoid person Especially after getting high in guzzling vodka all night And he said he would prefer to just unzip his pants rather than get fully nude Listen, I respect you and I respect your style. I That's why I picked you up. I saw you. I was figured like we could connect Thing is I only pulled the tip out because I don't want road gremlins to eat my balls That's not the weed talking that is literally a story my grandmother used to tell me about how she met my grandfather

Not a story not dissimilar to what we're going through right now. Now. What is a road gremlin exactly? Uh, it's actually someone that looks just like you Ali Strange Well, Eileen was against it saying there was no way he was gonna zipper fuck her in her words Is that a term? I get in Eileen's world zipper fuck is a term. I guess these She had a whole glossary her whole life was like a dick sucking hitchhiking version of dune I know there's an urban dictionary. I think we got to get a drifter dictionary out there. Yeah Just different all the different words for like how you could get the bottom of your feet so hard

They become like cleats. Yes become like tires themselves. I guess Now the argument got heated and Eileen suddenly realized she said that he was about to sexually assault her Or worse. She said she got out of the car still naked reach back through the open window To grab her 22 pistols still inside Mallory grabbed at the bag Which confirmed Eileen that he had nefarious intentions once she jerked the bag free She pulled out her pistol and shot Mallory in the chest and Mallory got out of the car tried to run away But Eileen shot him a second time and when Mallory fell to the ground She pumped two more bullets into his body and Eileen sat there for about 15 minutes as she watched Mallory bleed out

Still naked this entire time and after he finally died She went through his pockets took all his money and dragged the corpse away from the murder site covering it with some carpet She found a couple of things here very similar to John Wayne Gacy's first kill In turn mum and I actually believe that there is the gray area here is that he definitely did get handsy Or we're gonna learn a little bit more about Richard Mallory. We're gonna see why But also the nude thing is about making sure that this shit can't happen She wants him to get naked and her to get naked so that she because she imagines and probably correctly assumes That it's more difficult for a dude to pull shit if he's totally naked

But if we've learned anything from eastern promises, that's not true So this would now this was not at all premeditated We don't know right. I mean we really we don't know. Yeah So Eileen got back into his Cadillac drove it down the road got dressed and finished what beer she had left before going back To the hotel where she and Ty were staying at the time. That's the first version There are actually about three or four. Oh, it's like the ending of clue Now the second version of the story told 13 months later during the murder trial of Richard Mallory And the same one featured in the movie monster was much more harrowing and much different

In the confession it sounds like a drunken argument that ended in murder She wanted to do it one way. He wanted to do it another things got heated possibly dangerous And Eileen reacted wrongly or not and it very well could have gone down like this after all Eileen Wernos would not be anywhere near the first serial killer to stumble into their first kill A lot of times serial killers lose control in the moment and once that first kill is over and done with Something clicks in their brains and the floodgates are open Because now they were they pop the top and once you pop the top the fun don't stop You can't just start now like not killing now. You actually got the rush

It's the same thing with Jeffrey Dahmer was the same way again. John Wayne Gacy was the same exact way They got that first kill and now it's just like It's like getting into the pool when it's really cold Hold on a second. So you're equating serial killers multiple murder and multiple people to Pringles Not the first time he's done that In this scenario In terms of us as three friends sitting down talking recording a comedy podcast If I was in front of a judge defending myself for various crimes

I think that's a really good defense. If I was her defense attorney I would have brought it bought. I would have brought a can of sour cream and onion pringles and pop the top And asked the judge to stop. Can you stop judge? Well at the end of the day, what are we but performance artists? No No, I am real. I am too real Well, I mean really that's the question that we ask again and again when these scenarios happen If that accident had not if happened if that person had not have accidentally killed someone and lost control in that moment Would they have ever become a serial killer? Yeah

But whether she planned to kill that night or not the version Eileen told in the confession is a little more Gray in order to really sell her self-defense story with Mallory and by extension every other murder to come afterwards Wernos had to make it a lot more black and white During the trial Eileen told the story pretty much the same up until the argument But she said that instead of her getting out of the car and shooting him. He turned much more aggressive Managed to tie her wrist to the steering wheel and Ailey raped her She said he then got dressed and tied a cord around her neck pulling on it And Eileen thinking fast said she grabbed her bag took out her gun and shot him then finished the job with a few more shots

And that's the version we see in monster. That's the one in the movie monster with uh, Charlize Theron Charlize Theron, that's the scene that shows us Uh, of Eileen Wernos getting pushed over the edge that gives her the motivation To become a serial killer. Yeah, it kind of paints her in a very sympathetic light. Absolutely. It's a very intense origin story This idea of she and it and it does completely pinion pinion her against being like I Did what I had to do like I was I was defending myself Which is also, uh, the problem then is rationalizing in that way also is a very distinct Symptom of being a psychopath right where nothing's your fault

And you wonder if john candy's character in the great outdoors didn't finish the grizzle if john candy would have eaten himself to death Right, right? Pop the top fun. Don't stop fun. Don't stop now. I want Pringles and grizzle I like the grizzle. I actually don't understand what the problem was with the grizzle. Yeah, if you eat it first, don't you? Yeah Uh, yeah, this makes for great motivation for a movie and it makes for a very sympathetic character in Eileen Wernos But the evidence plus the testimony of thymor points more towards the first scenario First of all the driver's side seat was covered with blood

As if the victim had been sitting there when he was shot and the trajectory of one of the bullets indicates that he was sitting down When the bullets were fired And when Eileen showed up the day after the murder to the hotel room where she and Ty were staying Ty remembered that Eileen had no marks or bruises whatsoever and had mentioned nothing about an attempted rape The reason why Ty remembered that day so well was because Eileen had mentioned the murder Flatly telling her I killed a guy today And yeah, did he not let go your ego? There's gonna be a lot of food references in this episode. Yeah

Yeah It was also an eventful day because before Eileen told her about the murder She had showed up with just enough cash to move into that new apartment. They'd been eyeing Ty showed up with uh with enough I leaned Eileen did okay Yeah, so I mean when you talk about motivation, you know, you we don't really know if she went out there to kill that night Right, but we do know that her and Ty had been looking at this new apartment to get out of the motel That they were staying in and we also know that they had just gotten to that big fight over the Thanksgiving incident That we had mentioned on the last episode with the hungry man meals

With the hungry woman meals the hungry person meals the people without food in their stomach meals Now it's important to note that ty more than anyone is complicit in this case over the next year Eileen would show up again and again with new cars She had quote-unquote Borrowed from a friend along with mysterious cash and various things that obviously belong to other people and ty Never questioned any of it and never went to the police and ty was not afraid of Eileen They got into fights and from what I can surmise ty gave just as good as she got

She was definitely not the wilting flower portrayed by Christina Ricci and monster. No, she looked like buzz from home alone Well He was actually not as bad as that movie made him out to be. Yeah, you're defending buzz a little bit. Why? That is alternative history that I do not I'm not gonna be part of this I can't be a part of the uh the alternative reasoning behind buzz from home alone No, if you're kevin toughen up play with buzz going the bad vision is history That's the first sign of fascism Bugs bugs, but buzz a lot bugs kevin should have liked bugs. I'm not a bug guy. I was not a bug guy either

I would not have liked buzz but kevin. I don't think the reggels are cute. No, they're not cute. I do. I do I think you do think though. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a big spider guy. Oh, well. Yeah, you're human cactus Good point. No, the reality is that both eileen and tie were terrible people Yeah, eileen was a drifter who killed for money and power and tie reaped What little benefits were to be had while saying nothing to anyone about the murders They weren't terrible like you know all the people in seinfeld are terrible. No They were truly both criminals. Yeah, right. I mean all the people of seinfeld did end up in jail Well, they did for laughing at the fat guy getting mugged. Yeah, I didn't like that ending very much. Nobody did. It was controversial. Okay

Now as far as malory went the murder victim Much has been made about his past and it must be acknowledged that malory was by no means a saint As was the argument that has been made in favor of eileen's trial story When malory was 19. He was arrested for sexual assault after breaking into a woman's house and groping her He did four years in prison and was registered as a defective delinquent for another 10 So this guy really wasn't a good person. I mean, obviously slam and vodka getting stoned and driving. I mean, yeah, but no I mean, that's just him getting relaxed. That's not his problem. I see. Yeah, and we understand that this is extremely sensitive stuff here, but

Malory did undergo intensive therapy for his atrocious behavior and by all accounts seemed to overcome it after he did his time He was a well-known john in his area, florida But the local prostitutes who regularly serviced him knew him by name and none reported any abusive behavior by malory before or after He was murdered. In other words, it's complicated. It kind of like that alec baldwin meryl streep movie. It's complicated It is like that You're right. It is complicated. What do women want? Better ask mel Gibson. What about barb? What about barb?

Now it is possible that the knight eileen wernos killed him something snapped inside richard malory and he didn't decommit rape Which resulted in his death But the evidence and the testimony of ty points strongly in the other direction And in fact, there is even a third version of that story told again by eileen herself in a letter She wrote to dawn here. Once again is jackie zebrowski as eileen wernos It was november 24th 1989 10 30 at night in the midst of a slight drizzle

Hitchhiking on i4 heading towards daytona and in one set frame of mind bent with revenge and set to kill So cadillac pulled over to give me a ride with richard malory inside Mixed drinks and pot were offered only for me to refuse and continue as planned in this pure hatred I've harbored for years Yet he himself intensified that hatred when he mentioned along the way a dislike for various women With a desire to kill as well his ex-wife and kid So with that the fire was fueled So i tried to sway him off the road with sex, but much to my surprise he wasn't interested

But once part That was it He didn't have a chance to do a thing the gun was pulled and he was instantly shot numerous times And so as you can see with the truth being before you here, this was no self-defense It seems how all this came about and into play was when I was lied Through my skin of my teeth a good 57 times the self-defense throughout the confessions yet I'm here to tell the world and all of you across the board into eternity That none were in self-defense, but rightfully convicted under the first degree

I mean that is what you complain about when you're drinking vodka getting stoned and driving You complain about your ex-wife and your kid. Yeah, what do you think does that seem the most accurate story to you? I mean, it's tough to tell but these were the ones I would assume the final story is Is the closest to the truth because why would she have a reason to lie honestly? I think the the confession is the closest to the truth I that one to me Fits into the serial killer profile and fits into the evolution of a serial killer From beginning to end the best and it fits into Eileen Wernher said and it fits into her profile

The most I think there was some sort of confrontation with Richard Mallory which resulted in her thinking that Richard Mallory was going to hurt her Maybe he was but there definitely was a confrontation that sparked something in her Which led to that first murder. It's the one that fits the best So this last I bet you to be honest. He said shitty shit. Yeah, he said something bad. We're in the car He's getting they're getting mad. They got into an argument for a reason He's sitting there talking shit and I don't think Mallory was a good dude either No, I don't think necessarily comes down to it, but she I don't know if she had it in mind To kill specifically that night. It seemed like it was just something kind of set off and then once it again

You know, I'm not going to do the Pringles thing again That's good. That's good But that would make sense if he was talking trash about ladies and stuff like that Yeah, you know or she went out there That night to kill so she could get money for a new apartment because Ty was leaving her the Eileen Wernher case. I mean, there's no easy answers in this one Right, uh, it's this this is among the most complicated cases that we've ever covered on the show Again, because it's all drifter stories

Yeah, it's all drifter stories And she also fell in love with the idea of herself being a hero towards the end of her time in jail Especially when she started writing letters because she got so much Validation like she kept saying she would watch the news and see people like holding signs of her like calling her a Liberator and all this and she loved that Oh, so she just leaned in and same thing with Charles Manson with the guru shit as soon as they started calling him a guru He loved that idea originally Because it made him feel good it made him feel strong and then he didn't realize like oh man now. I'm actually in trouble

I'm not a good lawyer for myself. You know, I mean like at all of a sudden you like what you he's he's caught Yep Now regardless of what really happened that night. It was only the beginning Of Eileen Wernher's killing spree It would take another six months before Eileen would strike again But this falls right in line with serial killer behavior Most serial killers wait a while between the first and second kill as the rush they feel Sustains him for a while and there might even be a little bit of remorse or at the very least fear that they might be caught

But the longer they go free and the further away they get from the first murder The stronger the urge to kill again gets And so on may 19th 1990 Wernher's claimed her second victim That day Eileen was picked up by a 43 year old heavy equipment operator named David Spears It was saturday and David was on his way as he was every weekend to visit his wife and three children Hey, hi there. You look like a fun lady. You want to meet my family? My goodness, can you imagine bringing Eileen Wernher's home to meet your family? Oh, come on meet my family. You seem fun. You want to play scatter goreys with me and my family

Oh, it seems like did you get hit by a car earlier today? Because you're covered in skidmore. Oh, this is This is dookie My goodness, that's not good David and his wife were divorced But the two had stayed close and in fact David had just bought her a new engagement ring It was playing to ask her to marry him all over again. Double marriage. Double marriage. Oh, that's good You got to go buy the hot dog again because you can only propose to women if you put the ring on a hot dog And you're at a major league baseball game and she takes a bite of the hot dog and then you'd be like that's not a peppercino

That is the ring, baby. It's also sounds like attempted manslaughter well Don't want to show my hand, but that is how I Intend it to present the ring. No this weekend in particular was special as it was also David Spears' daughter's 23rd birthday and David was carrying a big wad of cash with him as a present But he would never make it to the party for that Saturday. He decided to pick up Eileen Wernos first This is 1990 when we thought when I think about drifters, I think 60s 70s, you know, maybe a little early early 80s 1990 we knew that picking up a hitchhiker wasn't the best idea. Well, that was one of the reasons why later on

Uh, police figured out that it was a woman because nobody picked up hitchhikers anymore So police figured that if these guys were picking up someone off of the side of the road Then it was probably someone that looked non-threatening. They're not picking me up. That's all I know Six foot seven guy thumbing no way and I will say this in 1990s It's difficult to hitchhike but never mind now when you have apps like divorce dad birthday present seekers Which is we just follow that app and just see where divorce dads are carrying big wads of cash Somehow placate their suffering family with with cash as gifts. Yeah, and then you go and rob them Yeah, and the guy's just like why did I download this?

What would possibly be the good outcome of me downloading this ridiculous app? Now Eileen said in her confession that spears had picked her up where route two intersects with i4 Which was only about a 30 minute drive from where he was supposed to show up at 2 p.m. That day Now david was known to be if anything else predictable It was far outside his character to just not show up without at least calling And it was even further out of his character to pick up a roadside prostitute Just a few miles away from where he was supposed to meet his newly reconciled wife for his daughter's birthday Right

Yeah, it just seems like really spur the moment sort of like that movie eat pray love And maybe this was him getting his groove back. Yeah, this is his going to buda past moment Picking up a drifter He's just finally just getting out there just no like maybe I just do what do what fucking david wants to do I'm always dealing with my quote-unquote divorce wife wants to do and my quote-unquote daughter for her quote-unquote birthday wants me to do I've already now this is david's day. I've already eaten. I've already prayed. I guess I gotta love And I don't maybe it wasn't but now but seriously was this an act of being a good samaritan I mean most of the and that's that's kind of the uh, that's the concede

I think a lot of people have uh regarding these victims is that most if not all were just good samaritans Because it is strange to me, but I mean they didn't have to pick her up. It's sort of like it was just No, they really didn't I mean because I mean it wasn't just these guys that she killed It's like we said in the last episode a lot of people just thought she was a woman that had run out of gas or something Like that. Oh, there's a woman on the side of the road. She must need help I hate because that was her mo. She's because she said she wouldn't dress like a normal prostitute The whole point is that she wanted to dress like a mom. She wanted to dress like herself and be comfortable And she was very proud of that. So I imagine they did think that but also I consider myself

Of a somewhat good Samaritan And if I'm 20 minutes from home and I've got $500 like an envelope in my car And I'm trying desperately to patch together a family that is deeply askew Right like and I'm obviously there's a lot writing on this afternoon. Like you can feel the pressure I think the last thing I do is pick up a hitchhiker. Yeah, that might be But what have you done that makes you a kind of good Samaritan? Yeah in your entire history I gave to Planned Parenthood. Yeah, um, we had we had a lovely birthday dinner last night And I only railed on about the facebook killer for approximately 12 minutes still bad. Mm-hmm

Um, I oh god. Yeah, you mean by the way, you mentioned the Planned Parenthood thing every single episode And how much do you actually give them? Yeah, and also did you do that or did your girlfriend make you do that? I did that out of guilt Because your girlfriend made you feel bad no out of my own personal guilt Personal guilt for the things of my what my penis could have done. I don't know what it does I don't know what I'm just desperately trying to be a good person desperately one and a quarter things We will give you credit for one and a quarter things. Yeah, and that quarter is something that you just should have done anyway Okay, so this poor guy makes a horrible decision and he makes this terrible decision to pick her up and according to Eileen

Spears picked her up drove 80 miles away to a deserted area and got down to business at one in the morning Almost 11 hours after he was due to show up at the party Wernos said they got drunk in the cab of the truck got naked and were fooling around when Spears suggested they get into the bed of the Truck to stretch out a bit and when they got there Wernos said Spears got violent and when Wernos noticed a lead pipe She hopped out got her gun and shot Spears to death And by her own count Wernos shot him three times when police found him. They discovered it was more like six Eileen left him naked on the side of the road and made off with the 500 dollars meant for David's daughter But that is one of the strange things about the murder of David Spears

first Why was he naked if he did not have sex with her? Wernos didn't strip any of the other victims and had no real reason to Second an empty condom wrapper was found in David's truck. Maybe he was gonna blow up the condom and make it a balloon It's a birthday party. It is. I don't know Well for me David Spears really is the most mysterious of all the murders for these two reasons Now the act of ditching his family to hang out with the drifter was out of character But people do weird shit sometimes. I guess that seems a little bit stranger than I guess that is weird shit

Never mind that is correct. It's quite strange I did this thing where I was fascinated with raisins and for some reason I would shove them as deep as I could up my nose Like up until like like my science area So the point where my uh, I did that and then I took a sticker off of a banana And I rolled it up into a tube and I stuffed it so far up my nose that I had to go to the emergency room So they could pull it out with tweezers. So you're equating that with Eileen being picked up by a man And shooting him stripping him naked and leaving him at the side of the road People do weird shit

Do we know for a fact you don't have any raisins still stuck up there? God it would be so hard little nuggets the world's healthiest slot machine Well, one other really weird thing about uh, David Spears when they found his body is that he wasn't completely naked He was still wearing a baseball cap So she set this scene then and she might have how do you keep the baseball hat on? This is very confused take your shirt off right but keep the baseball hat on it's weird They keep your socks on now you have a button down shirt with no undershirt So you just take it off that way that's how you keep the baseball hat on

But you I was like fucking with a baseball hat on because then I feel like I'm Derek Jeter. Yeah, that's true Safe. Yeah, we really don't we really don't know this one is real this David Spears is is very strange And it seems somewhat a skew from all the rest of them. Yeah, and of course extremely sad We all know of course. We're just trying to bring some levity to this horrible story. Yeah, of course. Yeah Not that we have to clarify this What is this episode 300 or something is 267 they know by now just so you know We're trying to bring levity to these sad stories Yes, so two weeks after Eileen killed David Spears

She would take the murder count up to three with the murder of Charles Cascadone a 40 year old laborer on his way to pick up his fiancee So they could head back to Missouri where he'd just been hired as a punch press operator Now for some reason he decided to pick up Eileen Wernos first Eileen shot him She said in the backseat of his Cadillac and afterwards she searched the car and found a 45 pistol Which she said proved he was planning a killer Listen, please

Just listen for a second. I know most men who pick you up are gonna be bad. They're gonna be bad They're gonna be and I'm gonna say and I don't want to offend you I don't want to make you upset at all But not all men and I don't I should even use the term I'm just really happy that there's no such thing as a thing called twitter right now Because I'm not trying to apologize all actions. I'm just trying to say that 45 caliber was coming with me to antiques roadshow I was trying to sell it for money because I mistakenly probably think it's worth money because I found it in my garage Oh, man, that was the saddest character you've ever done

Antiques roadshow. There's nothing more depressing when they find out it's a knockoff lamp. Oh, yeah I think we've been in our family for 150 years and they're like it's worse less than the than the wood it sits on So we're not getting the boat then Nope So we're not going to become a self-driven naval family, I guess Not this year, I guess After fighting the gun Eileen added four more shots to carscadan's already dead body He dumped it and covered it with an electric blanket and some grass. She took the car and the gun picked up tie

And the two took the dead man's weapon out to the woods for some target practice And this happened again and again. She just showed the shit up. She just showed up Well, hey, I got a new gun tie won't go out in the woods and shoot it and I was like, yeah, sure Ty never asked a question ever But that's what I was reading an article, but it would have said about like Uh, how relationships last and how psychotherapists know relationships are gonna last and a part of it. The keyword is easy And I think that that's that's what a part about this year is like no arguments. It's just jumping in. Yes, and sips apps off I love you. Yeah, let's take that gun you found if all of our significant others ended up just coming home randomly with new cars

And random guns you should ask a couple of questions. Yeah, I never question You might want to ask a few because you're gonna be complicit in a series of murders Hmm Yes, the electric blanket that brings me back. That's a 90s blanket Yeah, and then a bunch of houses burnt down and they stopped selling them for some reason That was kind of the dumbest idea of all time. Yeah Yeah, it was it was definitely a piece of polyester with a detonator on Yeah

Now Eileen's next victim came a week later when Peter seems a 65 year old missionary with a car full of bibles Picked up Eileen and his Pontiac sunbird near I-95 on his way to visit relatives in Arkansas Now Werno said they had planned to have sex on a blanket in the woods But oh, oh, yeah, a little sexy rocks underneath that blanket. Yeah squirrels everywhere I don't think it is sexy. No with I not not in this situation. No, not in this situation I don't know outdoor sex like wood sex is pretty great. I don't yeah No, it's just I like to be indoors. I like I don't like the outside I don't like to be indoors. Yeah, but as they were laying out the scene

Eileen said she realized he was about to rape her So she shot him left the body where it lay and took the car Unfortunately as Eileen was blast ass wasted during this murder She never remembered exactly where she left the body of Peter seems and the old man still to this day has never been found No one stumbled upon this body. Nope. Really not not once and in fact His was the only murder she wasn't tried for because they never found his body really. She was only she killed seven She was only tried for six But Eileen with four murders now under her belt and started to get cocky like they all do

Unlike every other time where she dumped the car after a day or two She took a shine to the Pontiac sunbird and decided to keep it a little longer And that's where I think Lee is the most wrong because I drove a Pontiac sunbird for seven months And it is I got it from rena rec in Los Angeles and it is not a high quality car. It's called a rena rec Yeah, rena rec. But why would that be a good name for anything? That's the you know, it's true that advertising You know, you're getting it's a rec. Yeah, it's shitty car shitty car crappy cars

It was all just like Chevy maludas and like Toyota Nagasaki's which I thought that was very insensitive Yeah, it seems strange. Uh, so she has killed four people up to this point And you think the worst decision she's made so far Henry is the car choice. It doesn't even have power windows Hey, my got my Toyota Celica my 92 Toyota Celica that I drove for years It didn't have power windows and the cellicat was a fine vehicle. I had a thunderbird growing up before I wrecked it Oh god, you could probably but get it. How did you fit into a thunderbird? Oh very easily thunderbirds are fairly large and then I had a yellow geometrical convertible that I was longer than That was my favorite car of all time

Now Eileen had either thrown away or sold everything in seams car except for one thing Now whether it was a token of guilt or a trophy taken like so many other serial killers do Eileen kept one of Peter's bibles in hers and Ty's apartment that had to have been a trophy Yeah, that has to be like a thing that he joked and they laughed about and they had So this guy, do we know that they actually were going out to the woods to have sex? I mean what? It's no no idea. Uh, well, well one thing that uh that you'll see that we'll see later in one of her murders is Uh, the problem with Eileen Buenos's victims is that they only found them after they had been decomposing for a long time Uh, so a lot of the kind of surface marks that you can find on victims in order to kind of surmise

What exactly happened to put together more of a picture all those surface marks were gone So we don't know if they actually went out there for sex or if Eileen pulled out a gun Put it to his stomach and said keep driving take a left here Take her right here took him out in the woods and shot him in the chest like we don't really know Uh, it's all it's not until later that we start to get a more clear picture of what she's doing About a month later on the 4th of july Eileen and Ty were out having a good drunken joy ride in Peter's sunbird When Ty suddenly lost control of the car and crashed it into a ditch near a row of houses Now people of course came out to help but Eileen and Ty after begging him not to call the cops

Ran off before anyone could get their names But they did see their faces and when the car was quickly traced back to seams a sketch was drawn up and sent out Now they were very distinct looking people. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh very distinct. Right. Yeah, you're not going to confuse Eileen Wernos for anyone else Now at this point, none of these four murders were connected as they had all been done in different jurisdictions And nobody had noticed yet the pattern of middle-aged men showing up shot of highways around Florida And that was going to be an interesting thing later on during her trial when you realize like a part of the she had to be shipped from county to county to county To face trial in different parts of the state. It was very expensive to try her and it was also very difficult to put together a Investigation because of the problems of communicating between different fucking counties as we've heard again and again

Well, this is also 1990. So the the counties aren't they did actually end up using some of the databases when they really started to get a picture They did start using some of the inner state databases that now I believe Prevent serial killers from getting the body counts that they used to get it is amazing how much how quickly technology has changed It's it's amazing and 1990 you could still get away with this kind of stuff for a long periods of time Yeah, I mean the reason why you know people ask why aren't there as many serial killers now as there were back then is because You can't do it the prevention techniques have actually gotten quite sophisticated and they've gotten quite good Actually, I'd say law enforcement had did a very good job of keeping serial killing from getting out of hand like it once did

Also, our attention span is greatly strong greatly shrunk because of the phones the phone games That's right, but I do think that we see more spree kills now. Yes, and more is just snap mass murders Oh, we absolutely see more of those those used to be fair. I mean they did still happen I mean it's not a a brand new phenomenon. Of course. We had Charles Whitman. We had the lubies massacre We had the mcdonald's massacre. They've been we've had martin bryant School like mass shootings have been happening for a very long time It's just now they're happening with more and more frequency if you want to hear We the victims if you want to hear about the victims of the Whitman shooting in texas the tower is an amazing documentary

Oh, I've never seen that focuses on the victims and it is it makes you cry I did I cried and I cried, but it is phenomenal. So check out tower on netflix and wait till how many more Streamed live murders. We're gonna have oh my we're gonna have a lot more We already saw the two reporters that are the cameraman and the reporter that passed away with the shooting now this guy I mean, it's it's so ridiculous. Facebook has to fix that, but that's a whole another conversation. Yeah, Facebook live is really backfiring, isn't it? Yeah, it's not really good. It's kind of fun to watch the mistake they made It's interesting to see it unravel in real time But even though these jurisdictions weren't talking to each other just yet

Most of these jurisdictions had come up with the theory that it was probably a woman who was the perpetrator Like I said earlier one of the investigators a captain Steve vinegar. Oh, and I like him Steve you like Steve vinegar. Yeah, he has breakfast for every meal He sounds like the kind of guys just like if you don't have syrup on it. I don't like to eat it I could you tell hey tell me I got a funny little joke How can you tell if a cop's good if it's last name rhymes with vinegar? Is your last name vinegar? It's

A vinegar he reasoned that the murders were probably done by strangers picked up from the road Uh, because as we said before serial killers are the hardest perpetrators to catch Because most murders are solved within the first 48 hours or so and the vast majority of the time It is a perpetrator that the victim knows serial killings are totally random and everything in this scenario Pointed towards some sort of a drifter murder, but nobody picked up hitchhikers anymore. This is 1990 This is after Henry Lee Lucas. This is after uh, Charles Manson. This is after all these hitchhiking serial killers Had had their reins of terror across the country

So vinegar theorized that it was probably a woman posing as a motorist in distress or something like that It was probably committing the murders. She I mean she is old school for the 1990s. She's like someone with an aol account You know, what are they hiding? Can you trust them? I don't think so She went the way of the car phone And then she also this again, it's but it's old west. She's bringing old west into the 1990s It's about being like a have a no tether Just being out on the road It's it is romantic if it did not involve all the drunken

Murder. Yeah, I remember you just reminded me when my father got a car phone for the first time Oh, yeah, and he forced us to call a friend of his and it didn't work Call the house. No, we got to move the car There's not enough signal move the car back six feet six feet Benjamin Benjamin. Oh my I'm having a flashback. Yes. We did call the house to call my mother And then it yeah, just and then it did end up working and then it was hey That was it. It was like, okay. We're I said, we're guess what we're calling from I'm not there. That's a car phone

That's a good work there Benjamin and one day you work hard enough You can afford to have a gigantic two thousand pound Phone with a steering wheel like I got yeah, about 1500 bucks for it So when two women were seen running away from the scene of an accident involving the car of a missing man The female theory was given a little more credence But in the end the thing that would help to take it down Werner's more than anything From this scene would be the bloody palm print. She left behind on the Pontiac sunburn But before that could happen. She would kill three more times at the end of july

Eileen killed a 50 year old sausage salesman named Tony barrest. Oh, he's a sausage salesman. Yeah Yeah, listen, you don't got to kill me. We're sitting on close to two million dollars We're at the premium sausage league. Listen to me. I see him like a reasonable girl I got nothing 90 pounds of the finest brat. Oh, you got to have it snapped to bite it It's just wonderful filled with you don't want to know how it's made though That's kind of a funny. That's a classic joke Now Troy's sausage truck would be found the next day But his body would not be found for another month. You can't go killing the sausage salesman

He's got a whole town to feed. This is making me upset. I'm not happy with what's happened I haven't been happy with the whole with any of the murders, but now we have sausage involved I know the sausage would touch your heart. It's just come on What's the guy doing with this life other than giving you a good high quality 100 pure beef sausage And you know for little league games or random picnics Tubed beef next to slice bread is one of the most important inventions of humankind This is like killing a rocket scientist of american society And you know what sausage never killed anyone other than the diabetes the heart disease and things like that

The sausage just kills quite a hundred Yeah millions. Yeah, well, but if you think about they died eating sausage, it's okay Now Troy's body when they found it was badly decomposed as it was florida and bodies decompose Very quickly in that climate and I would assume uh the uh all the uh reptiles and stuff like that Yeah, probably no, I have their way with the uh with the body reptiles birds insects I mean a body decomposes and disappears very fast in florida and iguana will live in your asshole Even though the body was badly decomposed that's not It was possible though

Honey, we're moving in I got a new iguana home for us It's kind of cute if it was a cartoon and if people didn't die So That is the truth on that very true now the identification was made but through his wedding ring Which new forensic expert karin made sure to point out to me was a miserable way to identify a body as wedding rings aren't very unique And what is up the quote-unquote forensic expert karin sound like there's an absolutely miserable way to identify a body It's my thing being something very unique

Definitely real no way a potted plant in your office. No way now the next murder came on september 11th 1990 This time the victim was dick humphreys a former police chief who found a second career as a child abuse investigator Hmm his body was found the next day by a couple of kids behind some deserted housing developments He was slumped over in a field fully dressed with his pockets turned out and seven bullets in his body But this time eileen would take it a step further Instead of just torso shots as she had done with every other murder Eileen would deliver the killing blow to dick humphreys execution style shooting him in the back of the head

This is a clear example of serial killer escalation She likes it now and he's obviously and I think it's got a lot to do with him being a cop and him coming out there I was like, I'm certain that she felt like a massive Massive bitterness towards police. I know the idea of you got this guy in the car and then you should like fuck it We're going for a ride. I'm gonna do I'm gonna get one off on you But this guy was trying to help uh kids, right? Yeah, I mean he was the exact I mean people like him and peter seems, you know, these guys fit the profile, you know Not of a violent rapist, but of a guy who would go out of his way

To help out a stranded woman on the side of the road I mean, so far I'm not to victim blame a guy. He's stupid enough to do it like it comes down to you You just don't do this shit. That's why you don't do this shit Yeah, but if you're a good Samaritan if you are a bible salesman if you you know That is one of god's duties to help the people who are in need And then of course if you're a sausage salesman you want to get that product out to as many people as possible It's true. It's one person at a time. It's grassroots. It's grassroots. Yeah, uh, but yeah I mean these guys these guys were they were good Samaritans

And she you know and she took advantage of that and she not only took advantage of that But through her uh explanation of why she killed she ended up she slandered their name as well by branding them rapist and uh possible murderers And also with dick on the right side of his stomach was a circular bruise in the shape of a gun barrel Suggesting that Eileen had held it there for quite a while, which to me sounds a hell of a lot more like robbery than self-defense So with shrimp said she was in the quote-of-quote robin biz. Yeah, this is about this is about making money now It's a boat and it's interesting because there's certain killers that did that too like Richard Ramirez Would turn he obviously had a sexual nature to the to the murderers of course

But also he robbed the whole house where it's like that's where the Intentions are it's almost like she looked at like it was kind of like her job too Yeah, it was the only way she made money you get the feeling the dracool of sacramento would have loved the sausage Just drop the sausage do I have to get rid of it? I can't stop thinking of an entire Just truckload of sausage What are you pulling? Tubes and tubes of blood That's funny. You should say that because I don't have enough blood

Well, here's your sausage Thank you You gotta bite it You could suck a sausage for a while and it would slowly dissolve I suppose Eileen's last victim would meet the same fate on november 17th 1990 almost a year after her killing spree began He was a 60 year old trucker security guard and member of the reserve police force And he was the last to fall victim to Eileen's 22. His name was antonio So she went after police officers and I mean these were these were fairly well established members of society in other words

I mean it was a random type thing, right? You know and you know and and also like with pretty much the exception of the Pontiac sunbird although it was a brand new car at that time in 1989 She usually went after guys with nice cars And now when she shot the guy in the back of the head, that's what makes her the sort of the male The first female serial killer who acted like a male right because she escalated from the chest to the head Well, that's the funny thing is that most female killers when women shoot Uh other people in murder They aim for the chest and most likely the heart a lot of times and men tend to go for the head

And so Eileen Wernos kind of went from killing like a stereotypical female to killing like a stereotypical man And escalating it to a point Where it still gave her the same rush as it did before you kind of wonder how much further she would have gone I mean, it's very if she wouldn't have gotten caught after this I mean how she might have been on her way to a berserker streak like Ted Bundy She definitely would have probably carved up faces a little bit more I think she was getting more and she was starting to get into the idea of desecrating the bodies and shit like that But she didn't have the same pull that like Ted Bundy had where they wanted like literally like suck on the corpses and shit like that

Well, women don't uh women serial killers don't really kill for sexual pleasure The only one that we really have on record Uh as saying that they derive sexual pleasure from the murder Was Carla Fay Tucker who said every time she dropped the pickaxe down on the body She had a teensy little orgasm. That's right. Yeah, and some of them do talk about that But the other thing is that um, we don't know a whole lot about female serial killers At least not as much as we know about male serial killers It's because female serial killers don't really like to talk about their crimes

Eileen Wernos is actually really special and that is that Eileen Wernos would talk and talk and talk and talk You couldn't shut her up, but most female serial killers don't like to talk about it And in fact don't really give a whole lot of interviews Because they're classy That's it Now while the first three murders were not linked at the time of their occurrence due to being in different jurisdictions Following four all happened in the same county And so Florida finally figured out that it had a serial killer on their hands

And it was a strange kind of serial killer because it was all middle-aged white men Uh, who you know needless to say are not typical serial killer victims The sketch of Eileen and Ty was blasted across all channels and when Ty got wind that she was a wanted woman She decided she'd had just about enough of the drifter life and moved back home. Oh, that was it weird Yeah, I can't believe she didn't stick around right Yeah, that was it when she found once the he got on she lit out man Hmm now pretty soon landlords and hotel managers all over Daytona started calling up police saying the sketch

Looked a hell of a lot like this couple named Eileen and Ty who were very well capable of doing something sketchy Maybe not murder But definitely Something right at least worth looking into and then there were the pawn goods from the mallory case that had finally been tracked down See when you pawn things in florida You got to give a thumbprint and Eileen gave hers, but figured she was okay as she had used her cammy green alias But when they added that thumbprint to the palm print on the Pontiac which turned up the alias lori grody police started closing in on the woman who was known to use all of these names

Eileen carol Wernos and that's where the interstate communication came in is that they started looking at all these names popping up And they started seeing all of these mugshots coming together. They were finally able to put it all together To think that hey This Eileen Wernos character There's definitely something to her because a weapons charge had also showed up on the cammy green alias So it was and if you're just and if you're just brave enough If you go up to the various gigantic jugs of trucker piss that are left on the sides of the roads and this is if you're brave enough

Yeah, and you open them up and you stick your hands in there a lot of times truckers will leave little messages I don't think in there to tell you road secrets that only they know well. What could be the road secret? I don't know you have to be brave enough to go in to open to go in there with your hands And really feel around in the bottom there. That's a good idea I do love that the police are just like pawn shops are gone people who go to pawn shops or criminals Let's just get their thumbprint. Yeah, pretty much. They understood because it works like this. Yeah This shit pops up. Yeah. Well, they get results. Yeah, or future musicians who live in williamsburg, brooklyn No in january 5th two undercover police officers going under the names bucket and drums wait, what bucket and drums

These are undercover police officers that those those were their undercover names So this was just like what do like poor idiots who do a lot of drugs like what's their names? Fuck it And then drums Okay, what if I just go as Is it bad to just go as a sonic raff or can I go can we just call you drums? That's simpler Bucket and drums hit the streets posing as drug dealers down from georgia on vacation and Daytona beach

They are drug dealers on vacation. Yeah, their whole life is a vacation. No way. That's a very stressful life They got even drug dealers need a vacation every once in a while. You heard your first vacation from their problems. Yeah, I guess so Bucket and drums found eileen at the port orange pub and followed her to a biker bar called the last resort There eileen drank until she passed out in a chair in the bars outside area and both the bartender and the cops Left her sleeping there until the next morning But when the sun came up the cops arrested eileen for an outstanding warrant on one of her aliases And after her arrest the last resort hung a portrait of eileen with the inscription herelod eileen lee warnos on her last night of freedom january 9th

1991 so they didn't wake her up so they could put this stupid sign up Yes, no they put the sign up like years later. Oh, I see They weren't painting they painted a portrait of her. How bad is this dive bar that this is their claim to fame? You have to if you rewatch A selling of a serial killer, which is the documentary one of the first documentaries about eileen warnos It goes into the last resort Which is if you just want a snapshot of florida and what florida is like Watch this thing you roll into this biker bar. It is all open shacks

It's like a shack with several compartments. They're playing garth brooks. I've got friends in low places. It's not a bit It's like they are singing and into it. It sounds like when the documentary crew walks in you hear like that Yeah, and like everybody stares. It's just bikers then the biggest man in the world go to the documentary It's the the the guy the documentarian goes up to the bartender They walk up to the thing who's this huge guys wearing an alligator skin hat huge man Who's just like no, I don't know much about eileen because she came in here just every once in a while You got to talk to the human bomb He's performing tomorrow

Cuts to the next day where the human bomb is performing Which is just a man laying on a pile of what I can assume is low-grade dynamite that just explodes them And then they try to talk to him by lean. He's like, I can't talk right now. I'm winded He's like, I gotta go. I gotta go walk this off. I gotta go walk this off. That is the entertainment for the night Is the human bomb. It is an amazing documentary That is incredible, but let's not defame the good name of garth brooks. Oh, of course. No. I mean garth brooks is very talented Yeah rodeo. This is a terrible man. He's another one of those who's beating everybody. He's around No, he hasn't

I don't mean to slander, but I've heard that. I heard that No, you're slandered right now. You are slandered. You are. You guys are the same thing you did to kelsey grammar I always have to come to the defense of people. No, I'm coming. I'm with you on this one. Don't fuck with garth brooks. All right Oh, I love garth brooks. You can say anything you like about chris gains, but don't bring garth brooks into this I don't even know if chris gains was garth brooks. I'm not sure. Uh, look at garth brooks And you do w w and then you hit w in google searches. It says wife beater No, that's just idiots like you put it in there. No, it does not and he's married to uh, the very famous country musician as well They've been together for many many years. I forget her name now. I can't remember. He lied to us about being chris gains

No, he was trying to reinvent himself because he's a creative performance artist Oh, I hate this term And he doesn't necessarily dress appropriately for weddings, but he's got a good heart He's also extremely wealthy. Yeah, these are my dress jeans This is my nice hat. Oh, yeah, I mean you're making fun of it right now, but that's the reality. Yeah, that's reality I have them too. I have the same thing. We're gonna play this uh, when we go down to texas henry Yeah, you're gonna have some explaining to do my friend I'm gonna be duded up in texas

You'll see and I'm gonna want I am gonna I'm gonna line step my way into the hearts of texas across that great big beautiful States. All right, I'm sorry. It's a lion dancing and no one's done that since 1994. Oh, that's the only kind of dances I can do. I don't like to make the box though. It's very difficult. Anyway, all right, let's get back Well back to speaking of the portrait uh that was made of eileen where in those years later Someone tried to replace the portrait. It was a painted picture which was definitely a gussied up version of eileen Uh, they tried to replace it with a more unflattering picture for a clip from the paper The artist naturally objected saying they had painted eileen prettier on purpose because as the artist said quote Everybody deserves a break

That's kind of sweet actually even though she's a terrible person. It is kind of sweet, but it's also a very biker thing to do. Yeah. Yes Now ty was found in pitson, pennsylvania just a day after eileen's arrest and police put the screws to her as soon as they could And ty trying to draw attention away from the fact that she very well could have prevented all but one of these murders Offered a trick eileen in a given a confession in exchange for immunity And after a series of jailhouse conversations monitored by the police were held over a few days eileen finally came clean about the murders either in order to protect ty from prosecution or Just to get the whole damn thing over with

And that's the funny thing about these conversations See monster made it out to look like eileen was a sort of hero for keeping ty out of it And the other documentaries make ty to look like the biggest turncone since judas But the reality is again You're dealing with two Terrible people here. They're both gross. They're both gross eileen again was a drifter Serial killer and ty again was the one who let her do it either because she loved her despite her actions Or because she just didn't care

Hmm and speaking of movies within two weeks of eileen's arrest her attorney the investigators involved in a hunt ty And even eileen herself had sold the rights to their stories And to give you this is where things get fucked up. Yeah, like I know this is where We are seven murders in yeah, that's not what I mean I'm I am I am a broken person because of the years of doing this show But when it comes to eileen like I don't think that she she deserves whatever she got But this is a thing that shows you like how quickly you are surrounded by sharks and how And she like because her story was worth a lot of money

Yeah, like immediately because the first female serial killer boom. That's it. That's your hook right there. So she Is not that bright and also Trying to save her own ass And so she has she basically just flips immediately and is surrounded by all of these fucking crooks That take this story and run with it Oh to give you an idea of how fast people bought her story The deal actually kind of sort of began before eileen was even arrested The mother of the producer who ended up with a eileen deal

Recognized Wernos from the police sketch in a grocery store and handed eileen her daughter's card And told her give her a call. You might be able to make some money Wow It is capitalism at its worst. Yeah, it's like anything. I honestly do feel in my head It's serial killers are at the top of the evil and hollywood producers are like third Yeah, I I agree. It's like we got fucking jimmy sabbel. He's in there. You know what I mean? It's like entertainment people are bad Lou pearlman. He's in there. Oh my god. Good night singer the guy who directed

X men who still is directing movies on a regular brand singer. Yeah Now after wernos was arrested She did actually call that producer and wernos sold her life story in exchange for a payment of 60 bucks A month for the rest of her life, but in commensary money. That is actually fairly good. Yeah I mean, she's not buying a new house. Yeah, but at this point eileen still thought she might get off She thought she might have been she thought her story might have worked By 1992 a made-for-tv movie called overkill was released Starring the blonde from designing women as eileen and the southern doctor from empty nest is tie

Oh, I loved empty nest. Yeah, so did I remember that scene at the beginning Anywhere he's running with the dog on the beach. I watch empty nest like three times a week It's on the last network on the antenna TV that I do laugh when you watch that network. You really They got funny And if you watch the trailer to overkill, um, it is a might sexier than the reality I actually watched some of overkill. It's on youtube. It's a lot sexier than reality Now concerning the trials eileen was tried separately for each of the murders beginning with richard malary And as we said earlier, eileen tried the self-defense argument on the stand

But her taped confession and the testimony of tie Sunk her completely and she was found guilty of first-degree murder and was sentenced to death The same sentence came back for the murder of charles humphries and when the judge read that sentence eileen said in open court I hope you get raped in the ass one day. I hope your wife and kids get raped right in the ass She's verbatim. So there was this stenographer who had to be like, can you take that back? What was that? What is the code for those words made love to? I think that your wife and kids will be made love to in their bottoms. Can I make it funner? Just take down what she said stenographer. Oh, I am embarrassed

They are the unsung heroes of the legal system. By the way, they really hear everything I would have so much ptsd if I was a courtroom stenographer. Yeah after that public outburst Uh, most of eileen's more credible supporters started fading away But who should fill the gap but lawyer steven glazer aka Dr. Legal as he calls himself on his tv commercials. This dude is very he is fucking steve brule He's just a burned out stoner. Yeah, he's a big fat idiot that like he was just him talk about his band He said the biggest He was really proud of the fact that he was open for leon redbone

That was the credit that he that the documentary maker gave this guy And you can always tell when documentary filmmakers give a credit. It's because the subject made sure that they had that in there I like make sure make sure I say that I open for leon redboned like make sure Who the hell is leon redbone? Leon redbone is even that's not even a credit for leon redbone being leon redbone So glazer would be the next person to get a piece of eileen taken the case pro bono Is he figured he could make money off eileen in other ways?

He teamed up with a born again christian and horse breeder named arlene praille who had shown up during the first trial now she said that she saw A picture of eileen warnos and god told her that she needed to save her and a part of it was that i looked at her eyes and her eyes told me she was a Innocent woman a beautiful soul and what do we know about eileen warnos's eyes? black black is a dorses rolling

Sure it is now you're rolling ten men when Worn men ruin out Is that a yacht club president? wow When w met with putin talking about looking through his eyes. I want a great soul He has it seems to me eyes aren't necessarily a great indicator of the quality of one's soul either that or born again Born again christians are really shitty judges a character. I guess so or um, maybe um, I I don't want again

I don't want to fucking say anything bad about character. Maybe they happen to just be in it for the money It might be That's possible and on the other side of uh, arlene prayl Eileen said that jesus told her that a christian woman would write her a letter and a couple days later Eileen got a letter from arlene and so a friendship was formed in fact during that first trial Eileen thought she was going to be exonerated for not just the richard mallory murder But for all seven and she was going to go live with prayl on a farm Breeding horses and raising she wolves. That sounds literally like lesbian heaven

It might be I that just that's how but that's how I guess warped her sense of Morality was and right and wrong and just you know The the the fact that she had zero remorse whatsoever Well up until that point she had gotten away with all everything like the only time she had ever done any jail time Uh was when I think she was you know when she I think was maybe like 22 23 So she had when she did the armed robbery when she did the armed robbery Yeah, so she had had about a decade of being able to slip away And run away before getting before having any consequences of her actions come to fruition

So she thought that this is just going to be she was just going to be able to slither her way out of this one Just like she had every single one before that But she did not and when she was sentenced to die Prayl adopted Eileen legally as her daughter to not only get better access to Eileen herself But also so she would have next of kin rights when Eileen was executed Together with Eileen's lawyer Stephen Glazer Prayl convinced Eileen to plead no contest to the four remaining first degree murder charges to which Eileen Received four further death sentences

And prayl said she convinced Eileen to do so So Eileen could hurry up and get on up to heaven and jesus's loving arms Uh nothing to do with that paycheck coming in the mail, huh? And glazer did it because he was nowhere near a talented enough lawyer to navigate his way through an actual capital murder case I thought his name was dr. Legal like if the wwe created a lawyer character In being a lawyer. Yeah, but you realize doctors that doesn't make you a lawyer No, no, no, no if you're a doctor you can officially also be a lawyer Oh, I see even if you're just a doctor of philosophy

You are now officially above a lawyer so you can step in even if you're a dentist I had no idea So glazer not talented enough to do a capital murder case But if Eileen were to plead no contest, which is the same thing as guilty Glazer would keep his access to Eileen without having to do any actual work Literally ted bundy would have been a better lawyer than dr. Legal. Yeah You know, uh, I to be honest my own theory is that uh, Eileen did not truly understand what was happening Yeah, I think that a lot of people think that too a lot of lawyers that came back in

Made that same argument that glazer was just taking advantage of her. Well. Yeah, and she did not really understand And death penalty she like kind of like thought of it as a romantic idea And then I once she started processing it. She started realizing like how uh, Permanent that was Yeah, you can't get out of it and how difficult it would be To go and fight it. Yeah, I'm against the death penalty by the way. Yeah, so so am I Uh, but a lot of psychiatrists said that she just couldn't grasp the finality of death She didn't have the emotional maturity

Uh to grasp just how final death actually was And it's a very long process the death penalty Which is why you often see people first of all, you're in solitary confinement immediately You get no general pop like you're buried alive A lot of people want to hurry the process up and they're they tell their lawyers to just stop appealing Because constitutionally they have a right to appeal obviously, but if for 15 years or like get it on with please Well glazer like I said, he was there to keep access to Eileen without actually having to do anything All he had to do show up and maybe make some money on the side and this proved to be exactly

Why he was in it and praille would prove to be in it for just about the same reason Praille and glazer started getting followed by Documentarian nick broomfield who made two documentaries on on eileen the selling of a serial killer and the life and death of Eileen Wernos and in the former you can see a particularly Sleazy negotiation between broomfield and praille and glazer and which they try to extort $10,000 For the rights to their story and as far as I could tell the most they could get was a thousand But they still got money from them Yes, and then the dr. Legal was not happy with the documentarian and quite loathed

In 2001 Eileen came clean saying the self-defense story was a complete and total sham now some say Ben like you said that Eileen Claimed this just so she could expedite her execution. She wanted to die She wanted it all to be over and to this point. She did whisper to broomfield in one of her final interviews When she thought the cameras were off that no wait actually the murders really weren't self-defense I was just lying that last time. They actually were in self-defense I was lying the first time and the third time but not the second time and the fact is we will never know also very Similar to your judgment call that she thinks and acts like a child. Yeah, and it's a part of that too of doing that

No, it wasn't yes. It was no it wasn't it's very childlike Now Eileen where else she told so many different stories between the day She was caught and the day she died that we will never know which ones if any are true and which ones aren't We can draw conclusions based on evidence and testimony, but we will never know for sure And so at 947 a.m. On October 9th 2002 Eileen Wernos was executed by lethal injection. Her last words were I would just like to say I'm selling with the rock and I'll be back like independence day with jesus June 6th like the movie big mothership and all I'll be back. I'll be back That's what you don't want to make a

reference to a very You know a movie Because it really dates you you know It does be more you want to be more evergreen. Yeah, but even then this was I mean this is 2002 It's almost 10 years after independence day came out. I guess she loved that movie. She did In her letter. I love that movie. It's my yeah, it's my depression movie I mean like there's been times in my life when I've been in a deep depression when I've watched an independence day three or four Times in a single day. Yeah, she's on death row. I mean this is I actually would like to find out the numbers of how many times

Independence day has been watched on death row. Yeah, who knows? So this was very recent history 2002 obviously and then so tie. Do we know is she's still alive? Yeah, so I mean this that's the interesting thing about this story. I mean, there's a lot of these people That are still alive and just kind of living out their lives all across america I mean, there's Manson girls out there. Carla homulcas out there like there. There are so many people who just sort of Finish out their time. Carla homulca should get into the weight gain business the protein shake Bulkham, Bulkham, Bulkham, I don't know Now Eileen had kept writing letters to Dawn right up till a few days before her execution

And we'll end this series on the last letter Eileen Wernos ever wrote now This is important to make you just feel weird because again, it's like you just have such a rare opportunity to see a serial killer And what their thoughts are right before they're executed? And so this was her last letter ever and then she went into like a silent period right before she died And so this is it's it's a weird view into a very complicated case Of a very angry and deranged woman Dear Dawn Well, I've pretty much caught up to all that's been needed to be said and so now

To you and our friendship shared these 11 years so deeply appreciated. What a buddy Can't believe you even wanted to rebuild it back after news hit of what happened in 91. So I was just all struck But then when you decided to help me through all of it as well that really blew me away then Royal So dawn from the bottom of my heart. Thank you I'll cherish it forever and I can't wait to see you in the next someday Boy, am I ever going to show you around? Treat you the best for and all you helped me through in this mess that they put me in as Jackie Gleason would put it

You're the greatest and you are Thank you, buddy So much and those kid days I could see it all now as if it were yesterday When our friendship began as teens there in our hip look that back then we were called freaks and our butts Traps it around having just a good old time looking like one with the attic of cases and the parties we had as well as some of the

pit gatherings So wild and fun Besides the bars and the pool rooms Rochester theater and and the bowling alley not to forget big boys restaurant We had such a blast I can still see you in your teens if it were yesterday With your muscle bound self and long black hair We're at your house at Atkins playing the tunes zapplin moody blues pink floyd carol king

And a mess more blaring away until we had to go because the parents were back for so much fun And buddy You left me full of good memories Even the mall. I'll never forget that ice cream cone. You got with the scoop so hard put on it And that's when you went to lick it. It fell it would roll it across the floor boy. That one kept me laughing all day In the bizarre shop Remember at the old oakland mall how easy it was to rip off clothes there, especially the blazers I remember in one day. I went out with about eight of them babies stashing them and lords black chrysler newport

Then you finally got the courage to try it yourself did and came back with a pair of jeans only for me to head back in and get five of those then Then we laid it thumbs out to pants galore I tried to do the same thing there only for security to wind up too tight And while the bizarre shop got hip to all the missin merchandise so went for beeper tags on the clothes That worked so well. Everyone quit lifting anymore Man so well it worked it traveled the idea Across other stores too, and they were all our lifted days

Miss gvs. I'll admit it Yeah, we weren't so young and free, but heck Nothing like today. That's for sure Then the parks so much fun there besides all my homeless days. I stayed over at your house, but it was a trip But if I could do it all over again I I'd skip the drugs I just don't believe in this stuff anymore, especially now that we can see what kind of kids come out of the woodstock era Nothing but a bunch of brain damaged idiots

So i'm hoping kim and david raised their newborns right Keeping them away from the stuff as best they can when their teen days come to and boy Do I miss them snowy nights up there in old men? It was romantic to me Whenever I would glitter the snow under the stars of a clear moonlit night And those awesome days with all their leaves flowing around under full moon. Oh, I miss that crisp air. It always turned me on I remember those huge whalers that burger king had back then man the fish and buns were so big Only for today now for them to be so little while one thinks why?

And the answer is so easy society It's called overpopulation So quit having so many kids jeez That maybe the buns and stuff will get back to the way it used to be super sized Anyway, I miss them good old days When you came back into my life, it all came back in those memories refreshed in my mind As I also need to say as well

Look who didn't give up on me Man too much Haven't even taken the place of tie in friendship just the same Pose me away sis. You're such a beautiful soul And hope you'll be able to someday Get the word out How they framed a raped woman down to a serial killer And from the get go took advantage of in the syndrome to beat her down to one for secrets of their own for their books and their movies

It's evil So I hope you'll be able to someday get that through their heads and how sick the powers become today And that's what volucia Well, that was just a pull away from the animals for sure And now now people are being used sacrificially So again, I'd like to thank you for helping me through it all And for the depths of my soul sis. Thank you for everything

Thank you so much. So so very much. We love your body forever, man And with that good thought so meant so for real So I'll close here and find a way to relax a little bit more before the end I'll see you at stark and again someday on the other side I love you buddy. Take good care of my friend. You'll be forever remembered by me Love Eileen PS I'd like you to also thank your family

For all the support and understanding they gave in our friendship too And how they stood by it It's definitely cool, man And brave Thanks a million Don and you too. You guys are the family We'll love you forever She's got a good point about the Burger King fish sandwich

She does I gotta give her the credit on that. She does and I love I love a hard ice cream Oh, yeah And we really want to thank Jackie Zabrowski for such a great job Being Eileen warned us in this episode or in these episodes fantastic job Jackie. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely It's almost like it's what she could have ended up as yeah, if she didn't get out of florida Yep All right. Well, that's Eileen Warnos. Mm-hmm great job Fascinating story. I mean this one is extremely unique like no other serial killer. We've covered to say the least

It really is. I mean that that's the the funny thing is that it is at the same time like no other serial killer But in a lot of ways very similar I mean, it's just it's actually more surprising how similar it is to other serial killers Yeah, wouldn't you start filling the story and what you know about serial killers? Like, you know, it's on a Sam all over again. Yeah, that's what I was Yeah, I was extremely successful on the Sam actually very much. So yeah, that's what I was extremely surprised about Is how many serial killer little check marks that uh that Eileen Warnos hit No, uh, she doesn't have the mcdonald triad. Yeah

I guess it's a dude thing though because at the same time because it's weird sexual impulses. That's what all that's all that Shit's masking. Yeah, I mean it really like I said earlier like uh most female serial killers don't kill For for sexual purposes. That is a specifically male thing Um, all right. Well, that's I don't that doesn't make me horny at all. Not at all Uh, I want to thank everyone. We want to thank everyone for voting for us for the webbies Yeah, we're coming down to the final stretch here. We just got a couple of more days left And uh, you know me I firmly believe they might do some vote flipping Like what happened to john carrion over here going so be aware

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