Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 268: The Philadelphia Experiment

Episode Date: May 3, 2017

It's back to conspiracies this week as we cover the invisibility/teleportation project the government worked on in the forties that had horrific results and the mysterious Carlos Allende who blew the lid off the whole thing while also contributing to some of the earliest modern UFO lore. Hush Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Beachfront Celebration Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commo

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? So I'm reading the Philadelphia experiment by Bill Moore, and the way it opens is the whole thing is like, that creating invisibility is man's ultimate fantasy.

Yeah, because then you can be like super fat and still be invisible. But still just look like a big green fart cloud. But can't see any woman you want naked, as long as she does not notice the giant fuzzing green cloud. Right. In her room. Yeah, it's not quite as romantic as the movies make it out to see, but I don't think it should be.

Oh no, no, it's your pervert. It's a pervert. Alright, this is the last podcast, and I'll have to remember what I am Ben Kissel. That's Marcus Parks. And ever since episode two, this other guy's been with us. I'm locked in now. This is my career now.

Yes, it is. You're forced to be with me now, probably for another 19 years. Oh, and there is no time that I think about walking into this office, and you guys are sitting there, and oh my God, we have concealed and carry it. Either way. Alright, today's topic.

I'm scared. I'm physically scared. That is satire. I am just joking. Today's topic is the Philadelphia experiment, which I did not know a lot about until this week, and it's very fun. Yeah, it's very fun.

And it is not the thing that Tom Hanks did in order to get very sick in that film. Well, I don't know how he lost all that way, but we're not going to get into that. Absolutely not. The Philadelphia experiment, aka Project Rainbow, was a rumored technological test

that the U.S. government undertook on October 28, 1943 to see if they could render a Navy destroyer completely invisible. You hear that swishy noises? Quotation marks. They're quotes. This is an episode of only quotation marks. Imagine that the SoundCloud file has quotation marks

on either side of it. This is a very fun story. It is essentially completely fake, but it's mostly fun to talk about how fake it is. If you want to believe, it can be true. Now, how does the U.S. government come up with the names for their operations? Operation Paperclip, Operation Rainbow,

is it just what they're looking at? Is there any rhyme or reason why it's called Operation Rainbow? Well, actually, Operation Rainbow, it's a bit of a misconception because Rainbow was the code word for the Axis Powers during World War II. So this, the Philadelphia experiment, a lot of what it is is just these conspiracy theorists

picking and choosing certain things and cobbling it all together to make a really fun story. Ooh, like a fun quilt full of absolute madness and nonsense. Yeah, and nerd pube hair. That's my favorite kind of quilt. It's very itchy. Now, according to legend, the U.S. government actually managed to make the USS Eldridge invisible

in addition to sending it on a quick teleportation, John, but it came at the cost of the life, limb, sanity, or corporeality for most of those aboard. And that's the hardest shit. If you lose your feet, that's bad. It is bad, but do they come back all healed up? No, they're just gone. They're gone. Feet are gone. Feet are now in the ship.

You saw an alien. That was kind of cool. You traveled to Norfolk, Virginia. Right. For up to maybe 10 minutes, they said, in the teleportation thing. But I mean, you don't even get to get a magnet because your feet are a part of the ship now. Oh, I see. So in Norfolk, Virginia,

was there just a day in the 1940s where a bunch of feet were laying around? Well, we're going to get to all of that. Henry's jumping ahead. You're jumping ahead. You're jumping ahead. Oh, my goodness. All right. We're teleporting ahead. No, it must be said that the Philadelphia experiment itself

is mostly rumor sourced from two men, one of whom was the human version of a green text on a black background alien website, while the other claimed he met Mark Hamill in Hawaii in 1956. Interesting. Because that was when he was like four, right? No, he said that he met full-grown Mark Hamill in Hawaii in 1956.

And time keeps on slipping. It totally does. And I know for a fact that Mark Hamill is a listener to many of the shows here on Cave Comedy Radio. He likes a lot of our tweets. So shout out Mr. Hamill. Shout out Mr. Hamill. And if you can confirm or deny that you met a man

with the last name of Belick in Hawaii in 1956, our Twitter is at LP on the left. Thank you, Mr. Hamill. What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of, Mark Hamill? What are you fucking hiding? I think this is about cowardice and I'm calling you out. I might find you and your family.

And it's easy to find. You're in Los Angeles. And I just got to walk around and be like, where's Luke Skywalker? Oh my goodness. He's my favorite celebrity listener. He's the best. However, the Philadelphia experiment is, as Henry said,

more about the people behind the conspiracy theory than the theory itself. And as you'll see, the story also plays a fairly large part in the development of UFO lore as we know it today. But before we get to the people, let's get to the experiment itself presented to you cobbled together from various internet sources the best we can as there are mountains

of conflicting information out there about this. The Philadelphia experiment was supposedly the brainchild of Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, and Dr. John von Neumann, who is the wheelchair-bound Hungarian scientist who is partly the inspiration for the Dr. Strangelove character. Neumann! They got together for another experiment called

how many virgins can we shove in a room? Three. And I'll tell you how many. As many as you're willing to put your hands on. Oh, what are y'all talking about? Albert Einstein was a brutal pussy ham. I don't know. I was just making a joke because he's more intelligent than me

and I felt a need to bring him down a peg. I understand that, yes, he had everything going for himself. I am the most wonderful genius professor of physics of all time. Also, come closer, smell my moustache. Do you know what that smell is? That pussy liquor. I got that pussy liquor all up in my moustache.

Make me smart. Dr. Einstein, can we just get on with the experiment, please? Oh, yeah, you buncha. Slip right in a Jamaican by the end of it. Once again, like every single time. Somehow a Jamaican Einstein sounds amazingly fun. Pussy liquor. Make an energy into gravity.

You got to get into it. Oh, my goodness. The Philadelphia experiment itself was helmed in one version of the story by a guy named Dr. Frank Reno, who was looking for a military use for Einstein's unified field theory. Marcus, go ahead and attempt to explain the UFT. Gonna do it best I can. All right.

Just as I understand it, the UFT theorizes that all of the fundamental forces in nature, gravitational, electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear forces, can be unified into one overall theory. Now, like overall is like a man wears instead of clothes in order to be quickly released from his clothes? Overall meaning all-encompassing. Oh.

I see. So like when a boxer wins two belts and he unifies them. I mean, what? That makes no sense. Boxing is coming back. You mean different weight classes that doesn't work like that? No, it does work like that. You can hold two belts in two different weight classes.

It's very difficult to do. I mean, to tell a heavyweight boxer can go down to a middleweight. He can a little like he can purge himself into being a middleweight or welterweight and then when also that battle, is it a battle? It is a battle in some ways, but yes, they don't vomit. They work out. They're very in shape, Henry. Anyway.

Now for Einstein's part, he attempted to unify the general theory of relativity equals MC squared with electromagnetism. I think the Philadelphia experiment tried to expand that to manipulate gravitational forces using electromagnetism to bend light so as to render an object invisible. I think. Right. I think because a part of the idea is right.

Electricity and magnets have something to do with each other. You can get electricity from magnets and using electricity, you can create electromagnetism, but they say that gravity is also in there too. And that's sort of something between zips apps, magnets, how to magnets work and gravity is how essentially UFOs fly, which is where we're going to get into the UFO bullshit. Magnets work when your grandmother sends you a letter and you have

to put it on the fridge. I've tried to send, I've tried to put other things on the fridge with magnets. They don't work. Magnets are weak. Yeah. I honestly think that we should have a universal, stronger magnets movement.

I agree. That I'm almost start. In my room. I do have to say my parents didn't believe in modern medicine. My father has horrible arthritis. So he just had magnet outfits and they didn't work. He just attached himself to a series of different things he didn't want to be attached to.

He was just white trash magneto. Yeah, basically just spoons flying his way and stuff. Yeah, I don't get why people will reject modern medicine, but we'll think that magnets can cure them. I have no idea. Magnets. How do they work? Because it's that question all the time.

Yeah. Well, actually we don't have a very good understanding of how magnets work strangely enough. YCP was not far off. No. Not at all. Modern day philosophy. Philosophy.

Very much. Modern day philosophy. Now as far as the military application of the unified field theory, the US was right in the middle of World War II at the time of the Philadelphia experiment, fighting it on two fronts so the possibility of making objects invisible, particularly ships, would have piqued our interest quite a bit. And FDR decided that the Navy would be the ones to make the

best use of invisibility technology. All right. Also, the soldiers of the Navy are called seamen and that makes them the horniest of all the branches of the Navy who are the types of people who want to be invisible the most. I toured a naval vessel in San Francisco before we did that great show at the Independent and oh my goodness, they are crammed into those corners, almost impossible to avoid any

kind of sexual contact. I mean, it is pretty intense stuff. They're frottage tubes. Yeah. That's all a submarine is. A lot of not telling, I think. Yeah. So in World War II, at this time, the US was sending both troop

and supply convoys off the east coast over to the western front and those convoys needed escorts to escape the nefarious Nazi U-boats. Because these U-boats were badass. Oh, U-boats were amazing. I mean, really, the only reason why we were able to defeat the U-boats is because we were able to break their codes, the enigma code, as it was.

Native Americans did it, which is why I'm thankful we kept some. Actually, no, Native Americans were code talkers. They were in the battle steering world or two, and it was because of them that the Germans couldn't break our codes. It was actually more like guys like Alan Turing who helped to break the enigma code. All right. It was, what's his name?

The movie Pearl Harbor with Ben Affleck. Yeah, Ben Affleck. Is that in that? And then I remember Wind Talkers was John, was John Woo. Yes. Very bad film. So most of the time these escorts were Navy destroyers, but they were having a hell of a time with the Nazi submarines as

well. And so it was decided that the best way to use the invisibility tech, at least to begin with, was on those Navy destroyer escorts. But while it was simple enough to transport inorganic material, organic material, like people, might be adversely affected. And so the Navy began its experimentation on farm animals. Oh my goodness.

Now, they didn't specify what kind of farm animals they used, but I would imagine, making a speculation here, that they used pigs as the flesh of a pig is the closest to that of the flesh of a human. It's also the funniest to put them in little uniforms with little hats on. I know. I hope they don't use any of the talking farm animals because

that would be inappropriate. Yeah. Yeah, babe. Just put him through the machine and then he shows up just inside of James Cromwell after they use it. Let him out of there. You did good. Good pig.

You did good. Great pig. Kill me. On the first run, the ship disappeared and reappeared, marking success. But when they checked on the hogs, they found that some of the animals recovered in radiation burn marks while others had disappeared completely.

Oh, I thought this is where they invented bacon. Never mind. Now, despite this, the Navy believed that they had a good enough handle on it to try it again with a skeleton crew of humans. Now, the first test was a minor success as the ship did not go completely invisible, but was rather just encased in a green fog.

The men aboard complained of severe nausea, but were otherwise fine. The equipment, which seems to be made mostly of Tesla coils and big-ass magnets, was recalibrated and tried a few months later. Yeah, make it stronger, because right now it just looks like it's covered in farts. Right. Not good.

It's like staying in a hotel room with Ed Larson. Mm-hmm, from the round table of gentlemen. Very fat, very big farts. Yes, we understand the size and the odor of Ed. Very big. We know. But on this second test, when the switch was flipped, the ship disappeared in a flash of blue light and reappeared almost 400

miles away at a naval base in Norfolk, Virginia. That means that in the search for invisibility, the scientists had actually discovered teleportation. No, I'm not dissing on Norfolk, Virginia, but teleport anywhere in the world. Anywhere else. To Vegas, Paris. Any place.

Any cool place. Any place. But they went to the land of the homes of the trees where gum was first invented. There was no gum, though. Well, they didn't actually choose to go anywhere. It just so happened that they ended up outside of Norfolk, Virginia.

They could have gone to the Bahamas. They could have been... Just really nearly teleporting. You can't just do that shit. You just end up, God knows where you end up. In Jaja Gabor's house. Just laughing everyone. RIP.

I think we'll find out where they end up. Yeah, Jaja, she was the best. Well, they didn't even know they were going to teleport. They were just trying to do invisibility. The teleportation was just a side effect. It's like having fun stomping on a bunch of tomatoes, but you accidentally invent ketchup. After a few minutes of floating outside Norfolk,

the eldritch returned to the exact spot it had left in Philadelphia, but this breakthrough did not come without a cost. At the lowest level, crew members got violently ill. Others had disappeared completely, like the hogs. Some developed schizophrenia. Five unlucky crew members were found fused to the ship. Like, their actual bodies were a part of the ship. There was one guy who was actually halfway in

and halfway out of a bulkhead. Just screaming. So this is sort of... Hey, I still got a dick. Let me take... That's in the ship. Kill me, kill me. We better keep in my life for a few more years.

See where this goes. Sort of a Harrison Ford situation. Harrison Ford. Star Wars. Doesn't he get stuck in some... He doesn't get... He gets encased in carbonite. It's the same thing.

It's frozen in absolutely not the same thing at all. Not the same thing? It's completely different. Cancel it. Cancel it. It's completely different. It is... They got fused, because the idea is that on their ship,

they said it was like... And then everything became clear. And so all these dudes were... They said that they were stumbling around all drunk and like laughing and like... And then they would walk up to stuff where the... Like the ship became like permeable and they would stick their hands in it

and then all of a sudden, they're back in Philly screaming. Wild. Yeah. It's cool. Not the strangest thing that happened in Philadelphia that day either. I mean, Philly's a strange town. So some got violently ill. Some disappeared.

Some developed schizophrenia. Some were fused to the ship. But others were assigned to a fate worse than death, which we will reveal later when we get to our friend Carlos Allende. I don't know, I feel like being fused to a ship might be worse than death. No. We'll get to it.

No, well they died because they were fused to the ship. Oh, I see. They died eventually. They screamed a lot. They died of screaming. Oh, I see. Okay. Now, those who developed schizophrenia were committed to asylums

and were reported to their families as MIA lost at sea. I mean, this is World War II. Guys go missing all the time. The ship's being destroyed left and right. While those on the ship who just got violently ill were brainwashed to erase their memories and the whole thing was covered up and discontinued. Now, the reason why we know all of this,

or at least know the story, is because a man named Carl Allen, aka Carlos Allende, wrote a series of letters to a UFO author by the name of Dr. Morris Jessup. Dr. Morris Ketchup Jessup. Ketchum. Ketchum.

I like it Ketchup. I like it Ketchup. Also, not legally a doctor, but he would call himself a doctor, but he would never sign any document with doctor because he never finished medical school. Oh, you can call yourself a doctor all you want. Dr. Benjamin Kissel.

That sounds really accurate. That's good. Your name is Dr. Benjamin Kissel. Thank God you showed up for this unofficial mammogram appointment. Let's fill them bags for some lumps. Are you buying this? Just all the guys are like, we're fine. Let me touch them.

Come over here, boys. Line up, men. Morris Ketchum Jessup started off his career as a doctoral student at the University of Michigan, where his research led to the discovery of a fair number of physical double stars. This guy was actually an academic. Do we know if that's true?

Yes, that is true. Excellent. Yeah, this guy, he was an actual academic. He was well respected in the scientific community. He eventually took work with the U.S. Department of Agriculture and traveled to the Amazon to study crude rubber. Question. Astrophysics degree.

Why did he send him on a rubber mission? It was the depression. He took whatever work he could get. Yeah. So there, he visited Mayan ruins and decided that those ruins could only have been built with the help of sky ships. And this proclamation made him one of the earliest modern scientists

to subscribe to the ancient aliens theory almost two decades before Eric von Daniken wrote chariots of the gods. Question mark. I like to have, I like when books have a question mark in the title, because then it makes you think. It's like before you even read it, you're already thinking. You're already thinking.

Yeah. You know, the sad thing is with these people thinking that aliens built the Mayan temples and the pyramids, it's just, we've talked about it before. I just feel bad for all the slaves who worked their ass off to build that stuff. And then there's just revisionist history. Being like, it was too good for men to make.

It must have been aliens. Well, hundreds of thousands and millions of individuals died making them. I spent 20 years carving toes into stone. Do you have any fucking clue how difficult it is to put toenails into fucking marble? Aliens, fucking bail me out, aliens. Are you an alien?

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so we're in the Mayan ruins. We're in the Mayan ruins. And Dr. Jessup, like I said, he was a well respected guy in the scientific community. But when he started talking about all this ancient alien shit, all the rest of the scientists thought it was absolutely

ridiculous because this was the late 50s. The whole flying saucer craze was huge then. And of course, none of the scientists actually took it seriously. Slander libel makes me upset. He's just questioning shit. The book is terrible. He wrote four books about UFOs and they're fucking garbage.

Yeah, you can just see the chairs leave in the lunchroom table after the nerd starts picking his nose or something like that. They want nothing to do with him. I mean, they're OK books. They're just very early in the UFO craze. They were still trying to figure out what this UFO thing was. And I would say to Jessup's credit,

he was writing this up because he was truly interested in it. He actually thought that there was something to the stuff. He was an actual man of science. An actual man of science. And I think it actually showed quite a bit of courage on his part to go out on a limb to look at the possibility that maybe UFOs, there was actually something to this whole phenomenon. Absolutely.

And one of the coolest things I think about the Philadelphia experiment story as a whole is how much early UFO shit is brought up. Like the first time we're seeing ancient alien stuff, we're the first time we're going to see a guy that acts as if he is in the above top secret like member forums. It's so fun. It's like all of the troops for alien guys come out of this story.

Yeah, this is like the proto UFO tale. This is like the sonics. But even though Jessup's beliefs were ostracizing him from the scientific community, he still continued his work and published a book in 1955 called The Case for the UFO. This book focused on the propulsion systems of said theoretical ships along with various historical accounts of possible UFO and alien encounters.

It's well-worn territory and it's very dry, but it's cool that it's the first one. Yeah. And it actually sold fairly well, which sent Jessup on a lecture tour where he started talking about Einstein's unified field theory in relation to his UFO propulsion claims. Because his whole thing was that humans were focusing too much on rockets to get us into space when really we should be

looking at other means, namely electromagnetism. What I did like about his stance too is that he called rockets bully science. Because he said that we were using old school rockets as bullying our way to space, which is the nerdiest, saddest thing. So this was the 1950s. He was on this tour.

1955. I mean, Werner von Braun was hard at work trying to get us to the moon, trying to make everyone forget that he was a Nazi, just not a scant decade earlier. Sure. So this is, do you think that people invented marijuana, or were not really inventive, but brought it back into common use in the 60s because they went to one of these

lectures and they're like, it's interesting, but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting with a huge doobie. Yes. Let's do it. Jazz cigarettes. That's when jazz, because that's all, when people are like, you don't have to write songs about driving cars or being with your girl.

All you got to do is beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Nice. It's eye talk. Jazz is like when a band plays underwater. It's really fun. Hey, what is that? I just feel like it's good underwater music.

You're just imagining the little mermaid. It might be. Now, this whole view that Jessup had that electromagnetism was better than rockets for space travel caught the attention of a man who called himself Carlos Allende. Allende started writing letters to Jessup about those alternative means of space propulsion and eventually revealed that he was present at a secret government

invisibility test in 1943 that used the unified field theory, the Philadelphia experiment. Now these letters, oh, there's something else. Difficult to read. I can believe that. Words are capitalized or underlined for no particular reason. The punctuation is all out of whack.

And the syntax is an absolute nightmare to try to understand. Henry, why don't you just read the first paragraph of the first letter that Allende sent to Morris Jessup? See. My dear Dr. Jessup. Your invocation to the public that they move en masse upon their representatives and have thusly enough

pressure, place that the right and sufficient number of places were from a law demanding research into Dr. Albert Eisenstein's completely spelled wrong. Unified field theory may be enacted 1925 to 1927 is not at all necessary. It may interest you to know that the good doctor was not so much influenced in his retraction of that work by mathematics as he most assuredly was by humanities.

Ay, ay, ay. Carlos Allende. Hey, all right. Well, that's kind of a fun letter. See, it sounds good. It makes no sense. Yeah, but it sounds when you read it in that voice, but you're like, oh, yeah.

Okay. I can believe it. That makes sense. See, that's why you choose the name Carlos Allende as your pen name. I don't think he ended it with- You sound like a very daring Spanish. I don't think he ended it with ay, ay, ay, though.

I think that was a Henry Zabrowski interpretation, and we have to make that clear. Yeah, in reality, I mean, I imagine this guy, it's more like, my dear Dr. Jessup, your invitation to the public till they move en masse upon their representatives in a bustling and up-pressure place to the right and sufficient number of places where, from a law-demanding research into Dr. Albert

Eisenstein's unified field theory, may be enacted 1925 to 1927 is not at all necessary. And? Ay, ay, ay. All right. Thank you very much, Marcus. Let's get it correct if we're going to do it. Well, I like Henry's version better.

It's more pleasant to the ear, I think. Well, it's much more pleasant to the ear. That's what Carlos Allende was going for. We're going to find out his name is fucking Carl. You don't change your name to Carlos, and you don't want fucking some flair. Absolutely. So, Jessup, I mean, that's the funny thing is,

so he's the intellectual one in this entire conversation, and then it slowly gets dumber and dumber from there. Yeah. Okay. Very sad. He is very sad. So, after a couple of back and forth, Allende expanded on his Philadelphia experiment claim,

particularly what had happened to the surviving sailors following the teleportation, or at least what happened to the ones who didn't lose their minds. And one sad thing about the Allende letters to Jessup is that Jessup has been looking for any sort of support. The case for the UFO sold moderately well, and so he had a follow-up book coming called UFOs in the Bible that he was starting to work on.

And everybody had abandoned him, and so he got these letters saying like, I know what you're talking about. I'm into it. So, he had one letter before this, was essentially saying like, you should think about more about like gravity and magnets, and he's like, sure, sure, sure, from Allende,

this follow-up letter has been like finally somebody, I'm like, I'm onto something. Somebody's like keyed into this and know something secret, and then the more letters he started to receive from Allende, it started to break his heart that this is a crazy person. Yeah, cuckoo, huh? Yeah, because he had started to ask him for, well, do you have any proof?

Are you willing to take a lie detector test? And Allende was just like... No! My words are too strong for a lie detector test. Never in a thousand years, you'll put a little do-that on me. How would you fit on my hairy chest? Beautiful man. Well, oftentimes, I guess an author or a performer,

such as a podcaster, their fans are a reflection of them. And I have to say, our fans in San Francisco were absolutely beautiful. It was completely insane, and we had a wonderful time. Thank you for coming out. Did you just find a roundabout way to call yourself beautiful? No. No, I didn't do that. No, there was a couple of real tall ones in there, too.

Some strange-looking geese. No, one man who survived the Philadelphia experiment was at dinner with his family one night. He got up from the table, walked through a wall, and vanished forever. Awesome. That's a dad's dream. Yeah, you got to let dad, you got to let your husband, your father, go.

They walk through the wall to get away from the family. You know what, kids, I rarely say it, but it might have been something you did. I don't know. I don't know that, but I might question it. Do they have a book for parents to their kids, or like for dads to their kids and say he might not, he just might not be into you like one of those books?

They probably do, actually, and it's probably really sad. Two more men disappeared into thin air without cause. They didn't walk through a wall. They just went, pfft, and were gone. And another dematerialized in the middle of a bar fight. This is the article that Allende sent along with one of his letters. Several city police officers responded to a call to aid members of the Navy shore patrol

in breaking up a tavern brawl near the US Navy docks here last night. Got something of a surprise when they arrived on the scene to find the place empty of customers. According to a pair of very nervous waitresses, the shore patrol had arrived first and cleared the place out, but not before two of the sailors involved allegedly did a disappearing act. One of the frightened hostesses reported, They just sort of vanished into thin air.

It was right there, and I ain't been drinking either. I mean, now I have, cause I'm talking to a reporter and I got nervous, but you're nice. You're nice. One reported witness succinctly summed up the affair by dismissing it as nothing more than, quote, A lot of hooey from them deafy dames down there. Hooey went on to say we're just looking for some free publicity.

Damage to the tavern was estimated to be in the vicinity of $600. All right, so these people can disappear at will, go through walls, and all they're doing is... No, it's not at will. It's not at will? No, no, it is completely volunteer. So it just so happens that the bar tab came, and they said, oh, look at, oh, I have to disappear

after they had multiple kegs of Budweiser. They have a thing called turning, sort of, or being frozen. That's what they call them, is that after the Philadelphia experiment, the guys that survived it would walk around and just randomly disappear and then come back and be like, I saw an alien, or be like, I experienced nothing, literally come in, like, sound like the highest man who's ever been and, like, going up to somebody and be like, hey, man,

did I just turn invisible? Right. Like, they went nuts, or they would go into these periods where they'd be frozen in place. They said that was, like, one of the scariest things, that they would just be sitting there, like, stuck, because they called it going through the push, which is really fun.

I don't know about all that. Yeah, they actually didn't know what was happening to these guys because some of them would go invisible, they couldn't move, speak, or interact with anybody else for the duration of it, but they would still be conscious the entire time. Is this where they came up with that ridiculous thing on the internet, the mannequin thing?

No, that was marketing. That was marketing people getting to everyone. Okay, well, they're frozen kind of too, though. Getting stuck, also known as the freeze, was known to crew members as Hill Incorporated. Awesome. I don't think it sounds so awesome. It sounds pretty terrible.

Now, these freezes could last for minutes to hours, and the only way to get a guy out of a freeze was if other men laid their hands upon him to give him strength. So, sir, why are you getting aroused as we touch you right now? We're trying to unfreeze you. I can't answer, I'm frozen. Do you need more men to touch you? Dude, how are your pants off?

Yep. Bring more guys. This is what Allende wrote about that. If around or near the Philadelphia Navy Yard, you see a group of sailors in the act of putting their hands upon a fellow or upon, quote, unquote, thin air. Observe the digits and appendages of these tricky men. If they seem to waver as those within a heat barrage,

go quickly and put your hands upon him. For that man is the very most desperate of men in the world. Not one of those men ever wanted all to become again invisible. I do not think that not much more need to be said as to why man is not ready for force field work, eh? Very cool. And put them in a store window, you know? Have all the fun with them.

Oh, quick, I'm turning invisible. Touch me, Penga. Oh, come benica, sweet young man. Touch me, Penga. I don't seem sad. I don't know where to find it. Allende, you seem like a man strong enough to give a sailor such as I support enough.

Touch me, Penga. I don't. It's hard to find. Can you see me? No. Yes. I am done. OK.

I have a yakuya lighted. I yakuya lighted. Very difficult to say with a capital S. You should buy me a cake. What is that? Yakuya lighted. All right. Very good.

Can you run into them? That's what I want to know. Yeah, they're still solid. So you can run into an invisible person. You can run into an invisible person. Well, that's how they could lay hands on them because the problem is they're maybe not invisible. They may be teleporting.

So then can you teleport with them? No. OK. No. And in fact, the laying of hands didn't always work. Sometimes it backfired. In one instance, two guys tried laying their hands on a frozen boy, and he did unfreeze.

But as soon as he materialized, he burst into flames and burned for 18 days straight. Oh, my. That's a long time to be burning. And then he lived, though. They didn't say. I hope he didn't. No, he did not live.

He did not live. He just said his body burned, which is kind of like, honestly, that's metal. That's a metal way to go. His body burned for 18 days. Well, they should have put it out at some point, I think. See, I imagine him just sitting there like the human torch just on fire for 18 days screaming and screaming.

A lot of screaming in the Philadelphia experiment. Yes, absolutely. From that point on, the laying of hands was no longer allowed, and the men would stay in the freeze for several months, a condition they called deep freeze. And during deep freeze, a man could only be seen by surviving crew members of the Eldridge. And again, they said, the men called this either,

as Henry said, cotton the push or stuck in the green. Hell yeah, Nate. Fucking 420, man. Neither of those sound like you're frozen in time. It sounds like you're super high. Yeah, I got stuck in the green many a time. Oh my goodness. And by the way, I mean, watch out for those edibles.

If you're going to take an edible in California, read the label. My goodness. Did you take down that entire stick of weed chocolate? No, no, no. If I did it, I wouldn't. No, I did not. But it was, that is, did you have a fun time after the show in Los Angeles?

LA, oh, it was great. Yeah, the fans were amazing. We had a great time. Then I just shook and shook and shook in my hotel shower until 11 a.m. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That was a perfect night.

Legalize it. Did you really figure it out? Did you do heroin? No. I met up with Nikki Sixx and Sammy Hagar. LA baby. Yeah. Yeah.

Allende said that when people got stuck in the push, bad shit would happen. This is what he said. Usually a deep freeze man goes mad, stark, raving, gibbering, running mad. If his freeze is far more than a day in our time, an hour time. Philadelphia time, three hours later,

huh, time's on joke. I'll get stuck in your green. If you mean you dye your fucking bush hairs green. I don't know about all that. It was said that the first man to go into deep freeze was stuck in it for six months, and the government spent five million dollars worth of research and equipment to get the guy out.

But once he got out, it was too late, and the man was irreparably insane. Government waste. I knew you'd say that. But Ben, this man is a veteran. Thank you for your service. Good flip flop. Dr. Jessup, who by this point was desperately searching

for anything to validate any of his claims, was naturally interested in what Allende had to say. But after a few letters, it was apparent that Allende was a bit of a nut job. And so the correspondence ended, and Jessup pretty much forgot about it for about a year until he was called in to the Office of Naval Research in Washington, D.C. as a UFO expert

and was asked to look over a parcel that they had just received. And Henry, give us some background on these O&R guys. I do want to say this really quickly, though. It wasn't about Navy ships. It was about belly buttons. OK, I'm done. What?

The Navels thing. That is... Oh, so we're doing baby jokes? No, that's not a baby joke. It's fun, though. I don't like the term naval when it means, like, a belly button. I don't like that term because it makes me, like, feel like it's all full of meat or something,

like an olive is in it. Well, I apologize. Just go on. Henry, do not enjoy kissing your woman's navel. Oh, good. Nothing I like better than feeling my woman's navel with my hot saliva. All right, this is enough. Good Lord.

I didn't know it was... I was trying to make a cute joke about belly buttons. That's me sucking on my ladies' navel. I got it. Oh, understand what's happened. Would you not encourage him? OK, well, that's good. That's just how she makes it.

I never said this before, but can we get back to the alien stuff and whatever the hell we're talking about. Philadelphia experiment. Henry, you were about to tell us about the Office of Naval Research. This is where it actually, for me, gets very cool. There was a guy named Sidney Sherby that worked for the... He was some admiral or something like that for the U.S. Navy. And so what he did was he was actively interested in the UFO stories.

He had one of the guys that worked under him, a guy named Bill Ditch, who he said was like a top-notch guy, was seeing, at the time, what is described as Foo Fighters. He saw weird lights around his jet when he was flying around. And that's a little preview for our next episode. Ooh. Yeah. That's gonna be sweet.

Yeah. He sent up the... So he wrote a report about it. It's like his buddy. The guy that he knows is like super fucking legit. Said, I'm seeing this shit outside. Like, I think that either it's some kind of Russian ship or there is something weird that we don't know.

They go through the actual pipeline. So at the time, Project Blue Book was around. So he's like, he went to Project Blue Book to be like, we're seeing all... We wrote up all the reports, like a 10-page report, and got nothing back. So he's like, we need a former-owned independent research group within the ONR.

And we're just gonna do it all and not tell anybody. So they started reaching around and talking to other officers about shit they've seen. They started collecting all these sightings. When all of a sudden, this package shows up on his desk, Sidney Sherby's desk, and it was... It said, Happy Easter on it. And it opened it up.

And this is where the Philadelphia experiment story kind of gets kicked into somehow into legitimacy. It's the ultimate story of... Because there's so many now people saying that this thing actually happened, that the Philadelphia experiment happened, and there's enough like... This is what makes it legit.

Or this is what gives it just the tiniest bit of credence. Is it just because Happy Easter? Happy Easter! Happy... And then... So that makes it real. But their story's really cool. The idea of these guys doing an independent UFO investigation

within the Navy, I fucking... I did. Well, what's in the box? What's in the box? What's in the box? Well, these guys are... They were like the X-Files in the 1950s. That's essentially who these guys were.

It's Division X from The Invisible. Totally. Now, as far as what's in the box... When Jessup arrived at the O&R, he found what was in the box. What's in the box? Was a heavily annotated copy of his book, The Case for the UFO.

Now, we know this package came from Texas, but there is some debate where in the state it came from. Some say it came from Gainesville, which is north of Dallas in east Texas. Others say it came from Seminole, which is some 400 miles away, near the New Mexico border in Gainesville County. What I can say about Seminole

is that it's just a few miles away from Hobbes, New Mexico, which in this day and age is strong meth country. Oh. Also... Well, that's good. At least they have something to do. Yeah. Also, Seminole is just a couple hours drive from Roswell.

Oh. Maybe not so possible. Which is also now meth country. It's pretty much most of New Mexico, especially like southeastern New Mexico is very meth heavy. Don't even get me Farmington. Or Clovis.

Yeah. I don't know. There's not a lot to do there, I guess. Clovis just sounds like a man who's having sex with his Labrador, but still is like fucking sending you, selling you hot dogs. I don't like it.

Well, Clovis is actually where they found the earliest known settlement of man in North America. Oh, look at that. Right there in Clovis. Isn't that nice. So the annotations inside the copy of the case of the UFO that was sent to the Office of Naval Research seemed to be correspondence between three different people

with each annotation written in a different color ink to correspond with the correspondent. Ooh, that's kind of fun. Yeah, it's super fun. Remember those ink pens where you had five different inks in one pen? I do. That was the only happy memory I have of childhood.

Yeah. And then one time I got a huge pencil and I brought it to school and everyone said, it looks normal in your hand. We had a good laugh over that. Mimol, you're just loading a gun. Load a gun. It's just like, give me a reason not to shoot.

Give me a reason. And then you discovered basketball. And then I just looked down and saw my huge pencil and only laughed and laughed. Now, the only correspondent given a name in the annotations was Jimmy, while the other two were named Mr. A and Mr. B by the ONR.

Now, if you are into esoteric writings, this is a fun-ass book to read. Look up the Vero edition, V-A-R-O edition of The Case of the UFO. There's PDFs online. It is one of the first examples of crazy UFO writing and it's so much fun because it's got characters all over it.

It's aliens talking from an alien's perspective. Yeah. It's proto-bibliotechopliates. All the weird alien language that you hear spoken out there, like at least like the crazy alien language, it's not new to the internet. This shit, like people have been ranting about this shit in writing for decades now.

Now, it seemed as if this edition of The Case of the UFOs that was annotated in three different colors of ink seemed that these three people that were writing to each other were extraterrestrials or, at the very least, had enough knowledge about extraterrestrials to be casual about the whole thing. This is an excerpt. I should have enjoyed seeing Lina's chieftrin

trying to maneuver the first craft before directional field induction was discovered. That, to me, is classic tale of howlingly good humor. Do you remember when we milked that black man? I can't believe that he was married to a white woman. Yeah, Betty and Barney Hill, huh? You also invent the five-ink pen. Ink? Oh, you're talking about,

or is that the thing that humans make that comes out of their front tubes? I don't think so. Because that black man made quite a bit of white ink. If you know what I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got it. Thank you. And there's also what appears to be an alien language

in these writings. Here's an example of that. All right, well, the floor is broken up here in the studio, and it seems that this hell is upon us. Thank you for honoring those words, Marcus. You just sound like a rabbi with a brain injury. If I were to open up hell, it would be more like, Okay? Well, yeah, Satan is in the room now,

and he's looking at us. He's already got them, and he just went back down to hell, so isn't that interesting? There's even a bit of a blue joke included in these annotations. When Jessup wrote the sentence, these reports include a thunderbolt that disrupted the bridal chamber

of Montormorancy and D'Ande France. One of the correspondents responded with, Chuckle lost his quote-unquote erection. They're very pleased at themselves throughout this. Well, they're having a lot of fun. They're good time alien friends. But even though the whole damn thing was pretty goofy, the ONR, just like Jessup,

was desperate for any source material and still called in Jessup to review the book he just received. And Jessup took one look at the handwriting and immediately recognized the capitalization, misspellings, and the handwriting of his old correspondence buddy, Carlos Allende. He also recognized written in the margins

in reference to nothing in the book, a familiar claim. I am not averse to saying that a force field can make a man to fly, for I have seen it done. And I know the cause of this flight, but this third, the Paris Exhibition, 1951, scientist from Paris, university, it's all misspelled.

Honestly, this is directly written from the fucking Vero edition, and it is very difficult to speak about. An APPHOT was sent to US showing the section, US Navy's force field experiments, 1943, act over produced invisibility of crew and ship, near some results so terrifying as to, fortunately, halt for the resource.

I think that's better than having aliens write it. Like this Carlos guy, I think he would be a fun time to hang out with. However, Jessup did think that the other notes written by Allende were intriguing, particularly the ones about propulsion, and so he continued his work in the UFO field and gave more credence to the Philadelphia story,

because there is some cool shit written in these annotations, because Carlos was actually, as we'll find, is actually a fairly brilliant human being, if a fairly pathetic human being. Mentally ill. It seemed like he was a bit on the spectrum as well. Yeah, a little bit, but also a fair amount

of schizophrenia, most likely. Unfortunately, the only other lead Jessup got was a story from a couple of crewmen in which they said a homeless man had approached him and it yelled about an experiment in which most of the crew died or suffered horrible side effects. Well, you gotta believe him. And if I hear a good story from someone

who currently is without a home, I will give them money. I respect a great tale. I like a good story as well. I mean, just don't come to me with you need some money to go to your mother's funeral. Oh my god, that guy, there's one guy on the G train not to get too inside baseball,

but his mother must be dead for a year and a half, and he still hasn't gone to the funeral. I guess it's a long one, I'm not sure. It's a long funeral anyway. He doesn't get my money. Well, because Jessup was out of leads by 1951, he was in at the end of his row, both professionally and personally. He'd gone through a messy divorce.

He'd gotten into two serious car accidents and he had lost the respect of most, if not all, of his peers due to his UFO beliefs. On April 20th, 1959, Jessup made plans to meet for dinner with a friend of his, a doctor, J. Manson Valentine. Ooh, very cool. His first name is Jerky,

so he cheats into the J because the rest was cool. Jerky Valentine. Sounds like a hell of a baseball player. This is J. Batson Valentine on the midnight hour coming up. We're gonna get a little blue. Here's Miles Davis on KCWW. Stay tuned. Long time listener, first time caller, Jerky Valentine.

It's 3 p.m. and it always is 3 p.m. when you're on the air and you pretend like it's midnight. Are you okay? Don't know what you're talking about. It's the midnight hour on KCWW. We're gonna get kinda blue. Here's John Coltrane. Huge pile up on I-94.

All the drivers have fallen asleep. So J. Manson Valentine was supposed to meet up with Jessup on 4.20 for dinner, but instead of dinner, Jessup drove to a park, ran a tube from his exhaust pipe into his car window, and let the gas take him. Oh, just better meet my coolest friend in the world, Mr. Valentine.

Oh, man, did I forget to DVR Cheers? Oh, my goodness. Oh, was Sam a day in? Is everyone's gonna be talking about it? I may as well just fucking end it. Oh, no. So Jessup kills himself, huh? He kills himself.

Or did he? I don't, well, it seems like he is currently dead. Or did he? Or did he? Well, we can get to that, I guess. Well, some believe that Jessup, who was continuing his work, and was in regular conversation with J. Manson Valentine about the Philadelphia experiment,

was suicided by the U.S. government to keep their secret safe. Sided. No, unfortunately, he definitely committed suicide himself. He chose to do that. I actually have a breakdown from the Philadelphia experiment by Bill Moore, the end of his life. So just to read for a minute or second, so you could,

so, this is very sad. So after all of this went down, everything cooled off, right? He got called in to be the UFO expert by the Navy. They went over for like three weeks, and eventually they were like, this is horse shit. And he's just like, no, no, it's not horse shit. And they're like, get out of here. And so Jessup left, because they were like,

we'll do our own thing. This is like fucking up our actual investigation of UFOs. So thank you, but no, thank you. So he goes off, he tries to become an expert in Mexico of the Mayan ruins, but they won't let him do it. Like he went to go like be a part of it. So, Jessup, after the collapse of his hopes for exploring the Mexican craters, had by 1958,

it seems all been given up his professorial duties and attempt to make a living through writing and publishing. Although not immediately successful in this pursuit, he apparently felt free enough to continue trying for a while, even vehement living on a somewhat reduced income, since his children were all gone and had moved away, and his wife had left him. Accordingly, after seeing to it that the large house he owned

outside of Miami was closed, he moved back to his native Indiana where he set himself up as an editor of a small astrological publication. Here he continued to try to pursue his writing career while at the same time becoming more and more interested in psychic phenomena. And so finally, he left up, he in fact, one of his psychic friends who accepted a dinner invitation

from him in early 1958 during one of Jessup's visits to Ann Arbor is said to have commented on how shocked she was at the change in his vibrations. They had, she rather cointly observed, taken on a sort of astral B.O. And then he kind of died smelly, I guess. And then he killed himself and then asked them, apparently in his suicide note, he said,

please get a scion together and try to reach me from the other side, but do it on radio so that we can prove that there is life after death and never got that together. It seems like the psychic community is flaky. A little bit. Something tells me that might be true. The only way to achieve life after death is through music

and podcasts. Yeah, if we were to die tomorrow, there would be hundreds. Well, at least until the, you know, the infrastructure collapses and the whole internet goes down and then it's just nothing. And then it's extra creepy because you're listening to dead people talk. Well, whether Jessup committed suicide

or was suicided, he would not be alive to meet with the second witness to the Philadelphia experiment, Al Bielek. Now, Al Bielek came forward in the 80s after seeing the movie, The Philadelphia Experiment, which was loosely based on the event. Henry, did you ever get around to watching this? It's very cheesy.

I just saw the trailer for it. I do have to eventually watch it, but it's cheesy and it's fun. It's a really fun sci-fi movie. But Al Bielek saw this movie and went, oh, oh, like he had this like wake up and he realizes that, oh man, I did that shit. Mm-hmm.

All right. Now, Bielek is actually better known in conspiracy circles for his role in the Montauk project, which we will definitely be covering in an upcoming episode and is also what Stranger Things was based on. No kidding. Yeah. Al Bielek said he and his brother Duncan

were taught by Dr. Von Newman, the Dr. Stranger Love guy. The guy himself. The guy. Super important scientist. Mm-hmm. Taught these guys. I mean, this guy, Von Newman, I mean, he was,

he's the guy that came up, one of the guys that came up with game theory, the theory of mutually assured destruction. He's got, I think, four different degrees. Like, Von Newman was a true super scientist. And supposedly, he taught Al Bielek how gravity, time, and quantum physics really worked.

Ooh. Not all this fake shit. Yeah. How it really was. Okay. Now, at this time, Bielek also met Einstein and Tesla, who, he says, were also heavily involved in the Philadelphia experiment.

Just slamming pussy to him. No, dude. Having a great time. No, Tesla did divergent. He just called them? Is that the deal? He just called. What do you mean called him?

How did he get a hold of these guys? No, he... You're around. There's a whole story with how Bielek got involved in the government. But he was one of those guys that would tell stories like, my first memory was when I was nine months old, when I heard my parents having conversations

as I was sitting at a piano, and I understood every word. Oh, like Stewie from Family Guy. Stewie from Family Guy. He's also very similar to Phil Schneider. It's like that story, too, where he's a weird outlier guy that made his whole life purpose

as now being a professional witness. Yeah. And actually, Bielek and Schneider were friends. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. So here's where it gets... This is going to get a little murky here,

but I'm going to need you to come along with me. Oh, sure. Yeah, I mean, it's been so clear and precise thus far. I can deal with a little murky talk. So Bielek and his brother Duncan were on the USS Eldridge when it teleported, but before the Eldrige went back to Philly, Duncan jumped up the ship

and traveled to 1983, where he lost his time lock and aged one year for every hour and eventually died. But thankfully, the time engineers at the Montauk project traveled back to 1950 to convince Duncan's dad to father another child, which he did.

And the time engineers were able to transport Duncan's soul into the new child, although nothing is said about what happened to the soul that was already in said child. Kick to the curb. I guess so. And what made this... Thank God for the Montauk boys.

Yeah, I mean, this is just a dumpy dude. Just a dumpy normal guy. How, Bielek? Yeah. Well, maybe not. Probably a dumpy guy. I'm gonna assume he's a dumpy dude. How shameful.

I'm not. This man teleported for the U.S. government. You're gonna say he's shameful because I was watching a whole interview with him, an hour and 38 minute long interview with him, where he says that they jumped off the ship. And he's like, and we kept flying and flying and flying.

I guess he called it flying. It's more like sideways, falling. We're flying and flying and flying and flying. Next thing you know, me and my sweet, sweet brother Duncan. Close as all hell. Love my brother Duncan. Ended up in a hospital room.

First thing I didn't notice, the problem was all the TVs were flat. They showed me and I was just like, give me a map. Give me a map. They gave me a map. And I found out San Diego had been completely destroyed. Basically, he said that he jumped into

an alternative timeline. Oh, I see. Where there was all of these disasters. And now it's up to him and the information and him and the Montauk boys. They're the only ones that can save planet Earth from the alternate future where San Diego is destroyed. Well, then I want to thank him for his service.

And I think that's wonderful what he did to save San Diego. One of the best cities in America. And they've also got these fun little ancillary stories where like, for example, they said that they had brought Bigfoot from a different dimension into our dimension. Leave him alone. Into right in the middle of their science lab.

And oh boy, did Bigfoot cause a whole bunch of havoc. And they had a heck of a time getting him under control. I'm sure they did. Leave Bigfoot alone. It's like Bill and Ted. If Bill and Ted were old white racists. So anyway, be like story like pretty much every other story in the Philadelphia experiment has been disproven

by multiple sources, multiple different ways. This is among the most easily disproven conspiracy theories we've ever talked about, which brings us back to Carlos Allende, real name, Carl Allen. Unfortunately, my real name is Carl. So you can see why I adapted the Espanol character. I am a little bit interested though. Why did you go with Carlos?

Anything, anything to not be me, you know? Just by hearing you. Yeah, I know. Carlos Allende, I think is, I mean, as far as aliases go, it's pretty fun. It's a great name. You have to be incredibly ballsy to go Spanish with your pen name. Yeah.

But I mean, it would be like if I win is like Marcos Parkes. Ooh, yeah, that would be your luchador name. Benjamin Quisel. No, that doesn't work. Quisel does not work in the Spanish language. Quiselo. Quiselo is kind of fun. Sounds like a candy.

I don't know, it seems like whole Spanish races got very used to saying German names. I don't think so. Where's your grandmother live again? Alright, leave it alone. You scumbags. Good Lord. So in the summer of 1969, a man named Carl Allen showed up at the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization in Tucson, Arizona

and said he was in fact Carlos Allende. Furthermore, he told him he'd made the whole damn thing up. But after the book The Philadelphia Experiment Project Invisibility came out, Carl reversed that confession about as fast as he could. And the UFO community was more than happy to accept that as by the late 60s, the annotated copy of the case for UFOs had been published in what was called the Vero Edition and was firmly a part of UFO lore. Basically, what he said outright was that all of these people were making money

on my fake name, Carlos Allende, and I'm not. I want to make money in this, so he's going to come out and be like, I am Carlos Allende, throw his circle hat down, take off his sash, and just be Carl. It's America. He's allowed to do that. I mean, there is some real intelligent people researching UFOs and things like that. Fuck you. Do these stories just take away from what they're actually working on because, you know,

what's the name of the first? Yes. Yeah, so this is all- I mean, this is the type of shit that takes away from guys like our favorite, Stanton Friedman, or even- Guys like me! I don't know, Henry. You just get stoned on your roof and stare at the sky.

We are concerned that you are going crazy. Hey, I'm just getting closer to the fucking truth. Right? And that's the problem. Every inch I get closer to the truth, I get farther away from everyone else. That's going to lead to a good future. So, the Carlos Allende story, it was pretty well accepted in the UFO community for about 10 years, but in the late 70s, a UFO researcher named Robert Gorman started digging into the

Allende story. Now, Gorman is- he is a true believer. He's the founder of the non-human research agency, which explores encounters with mysterious strangers, beings, creatures, but he also studies inter-specific relationships. And also the most mysterious creature of all, the human woman. What it is that they want, what it is that they do, and where exactly is a vagina. All right. There's a great movie, What Women Want, that I think you should check out.

Actually, if you go to Gorman's website, he has a heading that says, Bedroom Encounters. All right. No one wants to hear that. He is also very, very handsome. He looks like Barton Short from the movie Clifford if he was a man. I love that movie Clifford. I love the movie Clifford, too. Gorman's a family man, though.

We got to say, he's got a wife, he's got kids. We got to treat him with respect. He's a family man. But Bedroom Encounters, he talks about sleep paralysis, or rather that the beings you see during, quote unquote, sleep paralysis are actually paranormal home invaders. Oh, I don't like that. Ghosts just happen to be the thinnest burglar. So in the late 70s, Gorman was a writer for the Paranormal Magazine Fate, working on a piece

about the Philadelphia experiment as he and Carlos Allende, aka Carl Allen, had shared the same hometown. Now by sheer coincidence, Carl Allen's parents turned out to be family friends who only revealed this to Gorman reluctantly after they found out he was working on a story about their son. So they just bonded over the fact that both of their sons are lunatics. Yes. How sad it must be for both of those parents to get together and be like, so your son's still crazy?

Yeah, how about your son? Yeah, still crazy. No, Gorman's not crazy. He's not crazy. No, he's not. He's one of those guys, he's on unsolved mysteries and monster quests. Oh, then he's not crazy. He's not monster quests.

I didn't realize. No, he's not crazy. He's not crazy. He's no crazier than Henry is. Henry's crazy. I just said that Henry was crazy. Making a living. Making a living.

Probably a better living than this guy. Yeah. Well, I mean, the Carl, Carl Allen's parents were definitely not proud of their son. I will say that though. They were very saddened by him. Also, think about just the conflict between the spy versus spy of nerds happening in this small town where Robert Gorman, because in this interview I watched them, it's a great documentary that before the history channel was a piece of shit.

They added this thing called national mysteries that we did or historical mysteries. History's mysteries. History's mysteries. I'm sorry. Very sad title. Very good. I like that title. That's actually the best title out of all the ones that you did.

It's a great title. It rhymes. Yeah. History's mysteries. That's kind of fun. Were there even slaves? Keep little history's mysteries. Okay.

There were so. That episode is beginning to get done. Yes, there definitely was. Or is there a bigger secret answer? The whole slave thing you should actually just go into that. It's really quite atrocious about human history, what we've done to others. It's just I love this cat and mouse game because he basically said being like, I'm gonna find Carl Allen.

I know that I know this town and I'm gonna find him. And literally just him walking around harassing people. And so finally his parents being like, we know him, Robert. We know him. He was always, we just here you go. And then they showed up at Carl Allen's house and finally like, you want his fucking shit? And just handed him a box of stuff from their son. Be like, have it.

Have all of it. Robert Gorman got like the UFO experts like treasure trove just like thrown at him because they're like, fucking please get away from us. No, it wasn't like that. They were actually friends that Gorman's son Gorman's daughter had wandered off and they were like, well, I guess I know where they where she is. They went down the street and she was playing with the Allen family. Well that's strange.

It sounds like she's covered in their blood and playing with their livers or something. That's just where your mind went. Well, that's because we've done this show for so dang long. My mind's all straight. Darn it. Darn it. Gosh darn it. I don't.

I don't. Whatever. Yeah. He did get this huge treasure trove of materials. There was a signed copy of the very audition of the case of UFO or the case for the UFO. There was also all of Carl Allen's Navy papers like his discharge papers. And there was a number up in the upper right corner that was his, I think, like enlistment number or something like that.

And Gorman was able to match that to one of the letters that Carl Allen had sent to Dr. Jessup. And he knew that it was real, that all of this was interconnected. We did skip over a lot of details in terms of how they verified everything, where it's like, you know, Jessup went looking for his naval like number. He had like a, there was some kind of connection to it that he found pictures of him. He was on a neighboring ship called, I believe, the Arturus Furier, something like that. The Andrew Furiseth was the ship that Carl Allen served on.

The Andrew Furiseth? Yes. It does not seem like, that's not a good name for a ship. I'm sure Andrew Furiseth was a wonderful man to have a ship named after him, but doesn't really roll at the USS Lincoln or something, you know. So in addition to all of the documents, they also found articles about the Bermuda Triangle, letters and birthday cards to family members, and everything in there all had the same strange annotation that Allen had done in the UFO book.

They said that's what Allen did with everything. Every single piece of paper that had writing on it that he received, he would make these weird annotations out. But as Gorman dug deeper into the life of Carl Allen, he did not find a UFO visionary. Rather, he found that the life of Carl Allen was fairly pathetic in the words of his youngest brother, quote, he's a drifter. He's a drifter. That you, the way you said it makes it sound nice, but normally that's not how it sounds.

You don't describe a family member as a drifter, but like, oh, so what's Greg doing? He's a drifter. He's drifting, he's drifting like a bag in the wind, drifting along. But he was also said to be brilliant. His brother said that Carl had mastered several languages, could solve any math problem you put in front of him, and was, in the words of his brother, a master leg puller. Oh, he said that once Carl posed as an antiques expert and brought a lady antique dealer to tears, but did not expand on how or why.

Look, I came on your shoes. Gorman also found a note that was enclosed with the annotated copy of the case for the UFO that read, Dear Dad and Mom, encloses a book I co-authored with Professor Morris K. Jessup of the University of Michigan, nine, 24 years ago. Do not ever part with this book because its original price was $25. And so this book I helped to write alone by myself with no Mr. A. or Mr. B. Can we hear it in Carlos Allende voice just to make a comparison here? Irfadol and mother enclose the book I co-authored with Professor Morris K. Jessup.

Moe, Moe, Big Doctor of the University of Michigan, nine, 24 years ago. Do not ever part with this book because its original price was $25. And so this book I helped to write alone by myself with no Mr. A. or Mr. B. Anything else you want to close that out with? Aye, aye, aye. See, now I want to buy that book. I like that. That Carlos character, that was a brilliant move on that guy's part.

So when UFO researcher Gorman released the article in Fate magazine about Carl Allen pretty much exposing him as a fraud. Whole thing was a hoax. Allen responded with a fair amount of death threats. It's very sad. It was really just being like I'll kill, fuck you, kill you. But when Gorman finally met Allen, Gorman said it was about the most anti-climactic movement of his life.

Said Allen was numb but nice. I guess he just decided he wasn't as angry as he wanted to be. Also just saw how impressive Robert Gorman was and he didn't want to fight him. But since the Vero edition was to many ufologists an important artifact, the UFO community shunned Gorman after the publication of the article. As far as the fate of the USS Eldridge went, it was given to Greece, was lost briefly due to bureaucratic error, and was eventually taken apart and sold for scrap metal in the 90s.

So there's still people in there, it'd be like this is very bizarre, there's a bunch of thumbs and eyeballs inside of this thing. Also to be honest, the one thing that could be true out of this is that Carl Allen was actually on a ship, did happen to see a ship lined with a technology called de Gaussing, which was supposed to make, it was supposed to render ships invisible to radar by putting electronic wiring all around it. It was just some weird thing they tried to do for a while when they put wires around it and they would run electricity trying to blow off pings, radar pings, and then Carl

Allen saw that and just ran with it, ran the story with it. All intents and purposes, we do have invisibility at this point anyway when it comes to our airplanes and naval vessels when it comes to them not being able to be picked up on radar and stuff. So the technology isn't that crazy. Yeah, radar invisibility is not crazy at all. In fact, I mean, I'd go even a step further from that is that some of the guys that were involved in the de Gaussing experiment said that they'd talk in the local bar about this

type of shit like all the time and they would say, yeah, we're making the ship invisible, but they were just making the ship radar invisible. And so it's possible that Carl Allen took these conversations and just ran with them. And also, I find a good way to make a ship invisible is that you just cover it with the plight of the American Romani, very good with the American Romani, you're having a bad time. The plight of the American Romani is I'm not sure what it is, ignored, essentially invisible. Hmm. Hmm.

I don't fully understand it, but that's all right. I haven't understood a damn thing in this whole episode. So that's totally fine. This has been a confusing one. This is the one to get dumb on. You just get dumber with this information. There's an entire book that I purchased for $19. $19.

That is 288 pages, including the index, which it has, which is all fake. We have been waiting in murder and child death. Yeah. And horrible things for months now. Let us have something done. No, this is very nice. I loved every second of it. So this is our first one back.

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We've been talking on the last stream. Yeah. We're running with it. We're making changes. People are heeding our call. And what changes are we making? Big changes. 100 days from now, I want to mark 100 days from now, we're going to see how many things

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