Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 269: Kurt Cobain Part I - Albini's Weenies

Episode Date: May 9, 2017

Join us for the first of two on the death of Nirvana's Kurt Cobain as we explore both sides of the suicide/murder controversy. Gonna Start MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Hush MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? I had, honestly, the best meal of my life. It was a piece of foie gras, the size of a fucking CD. Like, it was so fucking floppy. That goose, that goose must have been so fat by the time it was over. That goose was living its best life. Its best life being force fed constantly for about six weeks. It was being fed, honestly, that goose is the same thing as if, if you hacked open Gracie, our former dog, and had eaten that sweet, sweet liver of Gracie, that would have been the most delicious, fraud dog. I'm calling it fraud dog. God, it would have been so succulent, just her just rolling around her own filth.

You should have eaten that dog. Why not? Filled with butter. It would have been like a croissant. One of the last, can we, can we have to start the show? I know you were in a food paradise right now. Oh my God, it was good. Alright, this is the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kissle. That's Marcus Parks. Hey, hey. Marcus Parks is wearing his Jacksonville jumbo shrimp shirt today. You look amazing, sir. I'm fucking here to play a game, motherfucker. I guess so.

I'd like to thank a fan out in Colorado who gave this to me. I love it. And of course, we've got H-Bone over there in Los Angeles. I feel like I want to do this morning zoo style. H-Bone in Los Angeles. What's going on? The dog's around. Wow. So today's episode, we got a two-parter here. This is a long time in the making and I'm absolutely thrilled. I can't wait to get into Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love. What happened? She did it. Oh right. We don't know.

She did it. And that's the end of the episode. So goodbye, everybody. No. That's Henry Zabrowski's theory, obviously. He screams it from the mountain top. You're ruining it right up top. No, no. There's a lot more that people didn't, that people aren't aware of because the narrative has been so, the lies have just been so pervasive in this story.

There's a lot of ins and outs in this case. It is extremely complicated and it inspires a lot of emotion in people. One way or another. They did it. Can you leave it alone for a second? They did it. For example, Henry's incoherent ramblings on the other end. Yeah, it does inspire a lot of emotion in people because Kurt Cobain was so goddamn popular. Nirvana was so amazing and popular and he meant so much to so many people.

I mean, for all of us, I'm 35 years old. So 1992, 1993, Nirvana unplugged. I was 11, 12, 13 years old, overweight, alone. All I had was skinny little Kurt who was much more handsome than me. But Nirvana was extremely influential in my depression and getting me out of it. I, of course, started this entire episode thinking Courtney Love was the worst human being on the face of the planet. But the more and more I researched about her and read a couple articles and watched several interviews with her, I think that she's not the worst.

She was just incredibly ambitious at a time when it was not very stylish to be ambitious. Sure. And also a lot of the ambitious people are... Manipulative. Terrible, manipulative people. Would know anything about that. But at the same time, she was also a great musician and whole was a solid band. So let's get into this.

So Kurt Cobain, if you don't know, because we've got a lot of younger listeners. It meant a lot to your uncle. Yes, he did. And we're technically all... The face of uncles everywhere. Exactly. And body of uncles everywhere. Kurt Cobain was the lead singer of the 90s rock band Nirvana and, in my opinion, was America's last true rock star. On April 8, 1994, Cobain was found at his Seattle, Washington home,

dead from the double whammy of a massive heroin OD, coupled with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Apparent. There are some that believe that Cobain did not commit suicide and was, in fact, killed by persons unknown, although most point towards his soon-to-be ex-wife, Courtney Love, then the lead singer of the rock band, Hole. Now, our aim on this series is to present both sides of the argument, both suicide and homicide,

because honestly, if there was any solid evidence that Courtney Love was responsible for his death, she would be in jail right now. And by the way, can you imagine watching Courtney Love in a female prison? She would be the warden in, like, four minutes. Is it bad that I just popped, like, a crazy boner? No, that's allowed. That's very conflicting. Honestly, she was so public about it, and she talked so much fucking shit about the trial and about his suicide and all stuff,

she would definitely be in jail right now if they could figure out how to put her in jail. They would have loved to. Yeah. Now, we would play some Nirvana tracks for you here on the show today, but Courtney Love owns the rights to most of Nirvana's tunes, and I'm honestly more afraid of Courtney Love than I am of the Church of Scientology. Rightfully so. So, if you've never heard Nirvana or only know the hits,

I made a Spotify playlist of my favorite Nirvana tracks, along with some of the original versions of songs that Nirvana covered on Incesticide and Unplugged, and you can find those if you search my name on Spotify. All right. Now, I will say that in doing the research of the life of Kurt Cobain, particularly his time with Courtney Love, I don't know if I have ever rolled my eyes as much as I have while hearing these people talk. They are obnoxious.

They are. I mean, they're kids. Are they obnoxious because they're musicians, or are they obnoxious because they're addicted to heroin? A bit of both. A bit of both. A bit of both. Calm me, calm me.

Because heroin does not make you an interesting person. No, it really doesn't. It's actually quite the opposite. Yes. And there are some musicians and a lot of musicians, particularly the super brilliant ones like Kurt Cobain, not particularly great people, not particularly nice people. A lot of them are super obnoxious and kind of boring.

That's why they learned to play the guitar. Let the guitar talk. I remember listening to an interview with Jimi Hendrix, and I was so surprised because he was just like, you know, the guitar is just like a piano, but it's thinner. Like, he would just say like dumb shit. I mean, like, why?

I thought Jimi Hendrix would be brilliant. Right. However, I think that Generation X, as well as Kurt Cobain, is misunderstood. People looked on him like they were all doom and gloom, with a soundtrack of like super depressing music. But Generation X actually did have a pretty good sense of humor. There were just insufferable smartasses.

Well, I think we got a lot of our sense of humor from Generation X. Obviously, we do fairly dark humor. Gallows humor, one might call it, here are the last podcasts on the left, and they probably have an influence on that. Oh, yeah. Thank you, Kissel.

They probably do, Henry. Yeah, Mr. Show, Kids in the Hall. Oh, sure. I mean, those guys, they were funny as hell. A lot of these musicians were funny as hell, too. And that's the thing about Kurt Cobain. The HBO documentary, Montage of Heck, seems to be pretty hell-bent on portraying Kurt Cobain

like a constantly-on-the-edge basket case who might as well have been holding a gun to his head since his parents divorced when he was a kid. The entire time I was watching the documentary, just like, go fuck yourself. This is so... Oh, my God, everyone, they're twisted everybody's words. They just play sad songs.

They would show all of these footage of, like, Kurt Cobain would just get a camera running around, and he was, like, a very artistically expressive kid, and they tried to put him on drugs when he was a kid for ADHD and, like, problems paying attention. Like, we all did. Like, I did. I was chained to a fucking grocery cart. That's how they solved my problem.

So that's probably healthy for your overall love of food and consumption. Yes, it definitely a weird sexual thing with having a chain from my waist of my onesie jumper to the grocery cart while I ran towards food. So you were basically, like, Bob from Dawn of the Dead, like, when a person walked by him,

but instead it was just, like, a thing of trick serial or something? Yes. But he would just get a camera, and he was always, like, doing little art projects, and it was, like, him filming dogs and stuff, and they just, like, put over, like, something and away. Like, over each footage.

I mean, like, this isn't sad. This is dumb shit kid fucking around with a video camera. That's what I did. But it was also a perfect, I guess, it was a reaction to the 80s, when everyone was so happy and everything was glitter and glam, and they were just, like, screw all that. Yeah, and they also took footage from 1991,

The Year Punk Broke, which was a documentary that a lot of the guys with, it was mostly focused on Sonic Youth, like a tour of the Sonic Youth Nirvana, and Dinosaur Junior did in Europe in the early 90s, and they play that as some sort of rock star out of control type of moment. Like, look at how out of control he is,

but it's just a bunch of goofy kids having fun, because that's what you also gotta remember. These are kids. I mean, when Nevermind hit, Kurt Cobain, I think, was 24. Dave Grohl, the drummer, 21, 22, they were just kids. Do you imagine if you were given several million dollars

as a 24-year-old, all of my clothes would be beer can hats? I believe I might be dressing similarly to you as well, and my nostrils wouldn't exist. I would just do one hole like an anteater or something. Well, about Kurt Cobain and his general temperament, a lot of his friends said that the suicide came as a complete and total surprise. They never said that he was suicidal.

Sure, he made some hyperbolic statements, and one of the tracks left off in utero was, I hate myself and I want to die, but even Kurt himself said emphatically that that was just a joke. It was a smart-ass thing that he would say when people asked him, hey, Kurt, how are you doing? He'd go, I hate myself and want to die.

That's funny. It was just a joke. Not a particularly great joke, but a joke nonetheless. He's not a comedian. No. He would have been the worst comedian of all time. Well, technically, the comedic version of Kurt Cobain would be Mitch Hedberg, right?

Yeah, I guess so. And Mitch Hedberg, many comedians that I know, worked with him on the road towards the waning days of his life, and he would just get in the fetal position after shows, hang out in his hotel room. That's heroin. Yeah. You know, it was not good for him.

No. Sounds relaxing, honestly. I don't know. It's like, it is shaking exercise, and that's what I'm not quite sure about. In the 1920s, it was. Now, was Kurt Cobain depressed? Sure.

He was a Gen Xer. A lot of him were depressed and moody and surly most of the time, except for Dave Grohl, who always seemed to be happy, and Sonic Youth, who seemed to have a pretty good time most of the time. The only person who ever said Kurt Cobain was suicidal was his wife, Courtney Love, and she never mentioned anything about suicide to anyone until after his death, although it must be said

that all those close to him accept the suicide conclusion, at least publicly. Now, you have to remember, when someone's really super, super famous, everybody in their weird circle around them wants to show the world that they know them better than anybody else. Like Kurt Cobain was about property. People viewed him as a piece of property. His friends back at home said the whole thing about

how he never wanted to commit suicide. He was happy, go lucky. We really knew Kurt. We're the ones that knew Kurt. Other people didn't know Kurt. Courtney comes out and says he wanted to commit suicide. It's the only thing we're talking about. I'm the only one who knows Kurt.

Meanwhile, Kurt's nowhere in this conversation because he's so fucked up and now useless because he's so famous or whatever it is he's dealing with all the time. And he's got a lot of pressure on him. He's very fragile. He's just a person. He's like, I want a pastrami sandwich. I was thinking about maybe having gin for lunch.

I mean, he's just a dude. Yeah. So the problem is this whole story is marred by people talking shit that they don't know anything about. Yeah. I mean, this is a huge story of he said, she said with some evidence thrown in there for good measure. But Courtney, that's the thing is that Courtney,

when she started talking, especially after the suicide, she started hitting the suicide angle hard. Right as soon as Kurt was dead in many interviews that she immediately gave, she said that Kurt was the third or fourth person in his family to commit suicide, calling it the Cobain curse. But the thing is nobody in Kurt Cobain's family actually committed suicide before Kurt. The other ones that are cited a lot of the times,

they were violent deaths, yeah, but they were accidents, although they could be twisted to look like suicides. But they are such weird accidents. His uncle dropped his gun and he got shot in the chest. He was a police officer. He dropped his gun. He popped up saying, hey, is everybody OK? He didn't realize he fatally shot himself.

And then he dropped. It's like these things are like, it just comes from a legacy of losers. It's possible. People who die on accident. It is also sort of people who put themselves in positions where death might be more likely like a father who is disgruntled and hates his life and he's like, it's raining outside. I'm going to go fix the antenna on the roof.

Every time it rains, he goes and fixes the antenna. He's just like, maybe this time, strike me. Strike me, you false god. Well, the other one, the other violent death was an uncle, like a grand uncle who felt had an aneurysm and fell down the stairs. And how they get to the suicide angle with that is they say that he was warned that if he didn't stop drinking, then he was probably going to die.

But he kept drinking, kind of like how Kurt Cobain kept doing heroin and kept putting himself in dangerous situations. So perhaps a curse of addiction would be more appropriate. Yeah, I'd say so. You mean addiction to rock and roll lifestyle? Yeah. Yep. Nothing groovier than a brain aneurysm.

I don't know about that. Now, the reason why these half truths and many other half truths were repeated ad nauseam without any fact checking was because the main source of news during the aftermath of Kurt Cobain's death was Kurt Loder from MTV News who repeated everything Courtney said as Bible fact and the rest of the media followed their lead. When you rewatch that footage of Kurt Loder, you could tell that this is his Walter Cronkite moment.

Yeah. He is putting on the serious face. He's got the old school Apple computer in front of him, like he's clicking, clacking on the very ancient internet. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. This is 1994. It's very odd to try to explain to people who weren't around then

what MTV was like in 1994. Totally different. MTV News was something that you watched every week and it was like what's going on with Soundgarden this week? It was pretty awesome. And then you, I'll never forget when I actually got to see Slash's face. They're like, they revealed it sort of. It was a really special occasion.

And it's literally just sunglasses grafted onto skin. Basically. I can't get them off. I can't get them off if I want. Oh yeah. MTV News was awesome. Kurt Loder is the reason Kennedy became a libertarian little known fact. Really?

Yes. Wow. I just remember Tabitha Soren. Oh. Tabitha Soren was a big part of this as well. It was Kurt and Tabitha. They were the co-anchors of MTV. This is the most uncle episode we've ever had.

Come here, come here. So let me tell you what it was like when they used to have funny little interstitials on MTV. It wasn't all just zip-zap and Atlanta's hot wives and soccer players or whatever it is now, little child. The wives of soccer players has to exist. Sun, sit down. It's time for me to tell you about a little show called The Head.

Tabitha Soren. The Head was amazing. The Head was great. Now concerning those half truths, the first thing you got to know about Courtney Love is that she's a liar. She's manipulative. Nothing she says can be trusted as her statements have been disproven again and again or contradicted by herself throughout the years.

But on the other hand, Kurt was also a liar. Buzz Osborne of the Melvins, who went to high school with Kurt, said that Kurt was, quote, the master of jerking your chain. He said, and I'm inclined to agree with him, that 90% of montage of heck is bullshit. Oh yeah. It's all about putting sad music under fucking childhood drawings. It's a whole fucking documentary.

Now there's a story told in the movie through a recording Kurt made about how he had once tried to fuck a special needs girl when he was in high school and when everyone found out he tried to kill himself by laying in front of a train with a cinder block on his chest, but the train switched tracks at the last minute. Now Buzz said that there was no way in hell he wouldn't have heard this story already

as Aberdeen watched him where they grew up was a small town. Besides Buzz, along with all the rest of his friends would have given Kurt shit about this constantly. Rightly so if it had actually happened. This is pre-internet era, so that was the rumor mill all around middle school and high school were these interesting stories. Yeah.

It's also important, I think it's important for people to realize that any ambitious rock star that wants to make it, who has any idea of a future scope, Courtney Love was very naked about that. She said what she wanted, she saw a whole, that's a funny little, it's a fun pun. She saw a hole in music that she could put herself into where she created this sort of new persona for herself.

If you don't think that Kurt Cobain had the same idea from early on that once you realize you got the camera in front of you, now you can recreate your whole past in order to make it so iconic who you are. And then a part of this story was about him the loser prince. Like he created this really gross story as a part of like almost like making him relatable to gross losers and it's a part of his fucking brand.

Well, Courtney was great at branding and the interesting thing, I had a chance to speak with somebody who got to know Courtney Love fairly intimately, working on a project with her and he was saying how she could tell when a rock star was about to break and she would just hook up with them during that time and you would do wonder, did she help promote them? Because she was out there, she was vocal, she was a heck of a character

and I mean obviously she did many negative things but she did have a good business sense in that way. She did but she wasn't really involved in all that. By the time Courtney Love came around, Nevermind had already come out and it had been out for a little while at that point. I mean the thing is about Nevermind and about Nirvana is that nobody expected this to be a hit. It came completely organically.

Kind of like this podcast. Who's going to die first? Not it. Not it. Oh Marcus, you're going to die first. Oh no, I'm going to ask myself, did I not say it on purpose? I don't know buddy, well either way you're dead, so it really doesn't matter.

You see in my head, Courtney Love was like the pallbearer to Kurt Cobain's undertaker. I have to approve it. That's a WWE reference and I love it. State makeup. Well furthermore concerned in the documentary, they take a lot of his journal entries completely out of context to reinforce the idea that he was massively suicidal

shaping them to form a narrative because that's the narrative that they were telling that he was a poor tortured soul who was constantly on the edge and just killed himself one day or at least that his suicide was just completely inevitable. And also at this time we did have a disconnect with our celebrities as opposed to now where you can follow them on Twitter. Like there wasn't, there was that notion of you want your rockstar's dead

sort of that classic Bill Hicks bit and stuff like that as opposed to now where it's like I follow them on Twitter and you have more of an intimate relationship. Kurt Cobain was a larger, he represented something much larger than just a human being. Yeah and also Nirvana hated giving interviews and they hated the rock press so you were, it was pretty rare that you could get any like actual rare tidbit of information

out of these guys. The center of that entire narrative of Kurt Cobain being the tortured soul whose suicide was inevitable was Courtney Love who comes off looking just tarnished enough in the movie but otherwise rosy as fuck as the only person who ever truly understood Kurt. Yeah there's some things in there that make her look bad but for the most part she really is portrayed as a loving wife

who fucked up a couple of times and completely glosses over how fucking tumultuous the relationship really was. Well she also approached the director of the documentary to make the documentary and it's funny how it becomes like that, how you become the hero of the story when you ask a dude to make a documentary about your dead ex-husband. Yeah and I guess I'm going to describe their parenting techniques as unique. That's the best I could say I guess.

Now Courtney Love admittedly is indeed a brilliant person albeit highly manipulative. One of the case workers at a reform school she was sent to as a teenager called Courtney the most shrewd cunning, devious person the case worker had ever seen something that Courtney was very proud of but one thing she didn't necessarily let slip is that she was a trust fund kid.

When she was 16 she sued for emancipation from her mother and received an $800 a month stipend, almost $2,000 in today's money and she used that money to insert herself in certain scenes. She would show up with like a suitcase full of acid or when she started going to band practices to hang out with people she'd buy all the food. So she got people to trust her that way. That's how she got her foot in the door a lot of times.

Now you can say that's either manipulative or you can say it's actually just a good idea and a part of business. She saw a thing that she wanted to be a part of and essentially that just makes you a producer. Like in nowadays terms that's just what a producer does a producer shows up with money and does things to make things quote unquote easier or help things along. So in a way it was like she was creating jobs.

She was walking into a place being like I will provide the funding. Courtney Love was creating jobs. Fucking Warren Buffett of Alternative Rock. Jesus. Same makeup. It's about small job creation. It's all about that. It's about trickle down. Well Courtney she was also mean as fuck.

Yeah she's a fucking horrible bitch. She's the first person in the world. Oh she's horrible. She says terrible things that aren't true about people. Like she said that Dave Grohl tried to fuck her daughter. She does look just like her. Well the weird thing is about Francis being Cobain. Courtney and Kurt's daughter is that when she was first born

she looked just like Kurt. But as she's gotten older and has gotten closer to her mother she looks a lot more like Courtney. She shaved down her face though. She had some work done. She shaved her face down to make it look thinner. She was getting the broad face. This is not entertainment tonight.

I don't care about this child. Well Courtney's father who has no doubt that Courtney had Kurt killed but has his own agenda and is a pretty big piece of shit in his own right said she would make fun of his weight and taunt him about his looks. This is what he said. She had this snack for making me feel worthless and ugly.

She's so good at putting people down. She used to write me letters and call me her fat fucking father. And I was like hey let's just fucking slow this down for a second. You know what I mean? Maybe call me bald first. I don't know. Obviously I'm sensitive about the weight. She seems to really have changed you in a way.

Made you sadder. Yeah. Yeah. Hasn't changed the weight though. That's a problem. Still pretty big. Imagine your father just being so emotionally tormented by it. Could you imagine calling your father fat?

It's kind of funny. According to love was also violent and according to some had a habit of hiring people to do her dirty work for her. An ex-boyfriend said when she was coming up in the LA scene she would pay a guy she knew a hundred bucks to beat someone up if they pissed her off. That's the problem is that you don't know if that's horseshit or not. You don't.

Eventually the story all sorts of feel, eventually the story starts to feel like it's high school rumors that got turned into international news. Yeah. Because everyone's a millionaire. I like the idea of Courtney Love being the Tanya Hardian of punk. I think that's a great idea. Here's a hundred bucks.

Go kneecap them. There's something. You know what? I'm going to end up liking Courtney Love. I just know it by the end of all this I'll be like, Courtney's kind of a fun person. Yeah. Just like you ended up liking Elron Hubbard.

Kind of. And the damn Courtney. It's creating jobs. She went out there paying a guy to beat somebody up. The problem is that in the punk community if you just give guy a hundred dollars, he's going to buy in a bunch of Cheetos. Yeah. And like, you know, like he's not going to beat somebody up.

He's like, thanks. And then all of a sudden he's just high for three days. Or he'll just roll it up and he'd be like, well, I don't have any money. And he's like, no, there's a hundred dollar bill. I thought that was for Coke. What are you? You spend the money.

Yeah. And you know, to Courtney's credit, holding half bad. Holds actually pretty fucking good. The first album pretty on the inside is pretty good. But I'd say you'd honestly be better off listening to like Bikini Kill or Babes in Toyland or L7 or something like that. If you're looking for more substantial Riot Girl material, and even if you're looking for like super good sludge,

go for Mudhoney. So it was. I had no idea the words Marcus just said about that. I honestly, it all just sounds like types of weed. It all just sounds like a string. I got a fucking eighth of some Bikini Kill. All right. And so it was that in 1991, Courtney Love was actually a

respected musician in her own right as pretty on the inside, was getting very positive reviews. And for Kurt's part, Nirvana's breakout album, Nevermind, had already been released and was an almost immediate hit. And we really can't overstate how big Nevermind actually was. Within nine weeks, the album was certified platinum, selling a million copies. And this was a band that very few people had heard of.

They were big in the underground scene like a lot because this was their second album. Bleach had come out a couple of years earlier in 89, I think. So people knew who they were. But also for the most part, like this music wasn't on the radio at all. The music was so good that people bought it. Grown men bought it even though there was a naked baby on the

cover. Yes. Well, nowadays you just can't have naked babies anywhere because the pedophiles come out of the fucking woodworks. But back in the day, it was art. And Pete Townsend loved it. I guess research. He was doing research, Henry.

Smells like Teen Spirit, the hit that made the whole album. It was such a hit that Colgate paid $670 million to acquire the makers of the deodorant Teen Spirit. Because that's what it was named at. It was something like Kathleen Hannon from Bokini Kill had written Kurt Smells Like Teen Spirit on Kurt's wall. And that's where the title of the song comes from. It just smells like Teen Spirit.

And just to give you an example of how far reaching this really was in a pop culture context and in a commercialism context, here's a commercial from 1992 from the Teen Spirit deodorant. Smells like Teen Spirit. Smells like the ocean. It's so good. Wow. Smells really natural.

I'm a smellologist. It is Caribbean cool. And this smells good. I knew it smelled like Teen Spirit. Hey, this is for girls. This smells like Teen Spirit. Can I have it? We are the worst generation.

Yes, I love the ozone-depleting greenhouse emitting natural, like, it's natural. It's like, you know what? Natural is not spraying a bunch of chemicals under your armpit. Oh, no, no, no. Teen Spirit was a roll-on. Oh. Yeah.

That's why I was able to have so many wonderful flavors. It's when they bought it. They don't know flavors. Because they're not flavors, by the way. Did you lick this roll-on because you know what it was for, right? Carolina said the same thing to me when I was telling her about this. I was like, yeah, they ended up, you know, after they bought it, it was so popular that they ended up making 10 different flavors.

And she was like, I don't think flavors is the right word. It's not flavors. It is not flavors. If you're licking it, the only flavor you'll get is numb. Yeah. Or maybe an autism that comes from it. I'm not sure what happens if you lick nothing but roll-on deodorant for years. By January of 1992, Nirvana had kicked Michael Jackson off the top of the charts.

That's how big this was. They kicked off fucking Michael Jackson. But admittedly, they were replaced the very next week by Ropein' in the Wind by Garth Brooks. Oh, gotta love Garth. I know. Well, it's the album that had rodeo on it. Yeah, sure. And honestly, Matt, in 1991, I actually, you know, in my small Texas town,

we didn't really hear, never mind, until a young man named Brandon Kelly, this poor motherfucker, moved from Seattle, Washington to Rochester, Texas. Oh, no. In like 1992, when it was like the best time. The fan that understood Kurt Cobain's pain the most was this man. But he brought with him all the Nirvana albums and a whole bunch of other awesome music from that time period. And he was friends with my brother, and my brother introduced me to all this music through that. So that's how I came upon it.

It was pretty fucking awesome. God, your parents must have been so scared. Nirvana, Ted Bundy pictures on the wall, random ghouls hanging outside your window. You just stick in holes all day just to tell everybody how you hope to find a skeleton. A hope I find a skeleton today, mom. I actually did used to do that. I'd go out in the field like, we were not being satirical in our description. One time I did find a rock that looked kind of like an ear.

And I kept that because I thought it was an ear bone. That's a great story. Thank you, Marcus. I'm known for my stories. Nevermind would stay on the Billboard Top 200 for almost five years. And to give you an idea of what that's worth now, the Cobain estate made $50 million in 2006 alone when Courtney Love sold 25% of her stake in the Nirvana back catalog to a music publishing company. But when Kurt and Courtney met, Cobain had yet to see any of that money

and the band was still showing up to 200 capacity venues in a shitty van with their gear carried behind them in a U-Haul. This came out of absolutely nowhere. They couldn't even keep up with their own success. It was on this backdrop that Kurt and Courtney met at a butthole surfers concert in Los Angeles. The two immediately bonded over their mutual loves of fucking and heroin and were inseparable from then on. Well, according to Courtney Love, what she said was that she had been going after Kurt for a really long time.

She had been trying to date Kurt, trying to date Kurt, but he was always very oblivious to female attention. He was very, very shy, painfully shy. And so we didn't know how to connect the girls. And so what she did was that she kept going after him and going after him because of what we were saying, she knew that he was going to be a fucking massive rock star. And she made an alter in her house where she said, please let me let my boyfriend be the world's biggest rock star. Like she was obsessed with it.

That's what she says. That's what she says. Right. So we don't know what she wants or not. But what she says is that if it's not a true story, it's disgusting why you would even make it up. And that she was kind of like sucking the dick of this other like music manager and bribed him essentially, like kind of like teased him to get her tickets to the show, to that Butthole Surfer show and plane tickets. And he bought her, shipped her out there.

She got on Kurt and finally just was like, you're my boyfriend now. And he's like, all right, cool. It reminds me of Finkel from Ace Ventura. How does that remind you of Finkel? Finkel didn't like Dan Marino. But she wanted to get Dan Marino and Finkel became Einhorn, a detective in order to get Dan Marino. Finkel is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkel.

Einhorn is Finkel. Now some claim that Courtney was only in it for the money, that she latched on to Kurt because she saw potential. To this point, I actually believe Courtney when she says that she honestly thought that she was going to be more famous than Kurt. That's because there's actually evidence to back that up. When they got married, it was Courtney who insisted that they sign a prenup. And this was even after the massive success of Nevermind. They could already see that he was going to be a huge rock star, that there was going to be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars coming in. But she believed that she was going to be more famous than him one day.

This was about power couple. This is not about money. This is about the both of them were the same thing about quote unquote integrity and about doing it the right way and getting respect. And both of them thought the idea is that I am a queen. I am the most powerful woman in the world. Should I not be with the most powerful man in the world? Together, we will be the most respected fucking royalty of rock and roll. And so she saw that far ahead of that and she's like, I'm building this for Kurt, essentially.

Like we're going to be a power couple forever. Jay-Z and Beyoncé to some degree. Absolutely to some degree. But Jay-Z and Beyoncé, they weren't junkies. No, they are not junkies. As a matter of fact, they are athletes basically. I was watching a concert of Beyoncé and I was like, what? I started sweating because it is physical labor as opposed to Kurt who mostly sat. Yeah, sat a lot. Well, I don't know man. Have you ever watched a bunch of live shows?

Like their live shows were amazingly energetic. Like they were a fantastic band. I don't like to watch. Nirvana Unplugged wasn't the only concert they ever did. I know. I just don't like to watch people be all active because then it's like, am I supposed to be active? It's like, what is happening? Well, I mentioned junkies. Let's talk about heroin. Kurt was a junkie and to a lesser extent, so was Kourtney. Kourtney had about a $20 a day habit, but Kurt at his worst was spending $400 a day on heroin.

Kourtney liked being fucked up, but only a little bit. Yeah. She liked being aware. She liked being able to manipulate people and be in control of herself. Now, Kurt's excuse for the heroin was that he used it to self-medicate a debilitating stomach pain that plagued him throughout his 20s and only got worse after the success of Nevermind. So this guy was, what he says, that he was dealing with a lot. I mean, first he was dealing with this debilitating stomach pain and he was also dealing with being famous when he never really wanted to be famous. He wanted to make a living doing his music, but he wanted to be, you know, a punk rocker. Like, he wanted to just kind of be a guy that could go out there, make good albums, play good music, but he never wanted to be an icon.

He never wanted to be a superstar. I think he's an introvert, right? Yeah. A lot of musicians are introverted and that's why they attach themselves to the music and the music makes them famous. Not their stunning personalities like us. But do you think it was a psychosomatic thing? Or did he really have ulcers and that kind of stuff? He said that they were his red spots.

He would go to the doctor and they would scan his stomach and he had weird abrasions and weird... It sounded like he was just a shitty kid and also had a terrible diet. He had a very terrible diet. He lived on fucking Coca-Cola and fucking potato chips and heroin all the time. Now, many people point towards Kurt's comments about his stomach pain during this time period as an indication that he'd always been suicidal as he had said in interviews that heroin was the only thing keeping him from blowing his head off. But, again, according to Buzz from the Melvins, Kurt told him that the stomach pain never even existed and it was just a good excuse to do heroin under a cloud of sympathy. See, that sounds like a shitty joke. That sounds like a shitty joke to him.

Honestly, it sounds like he's making a joke about the heroin use and the stomach pain because he really wasn't pain. I also think that Kurt Cobain was a little bit of a hypocrite in terms of he wanted everything exactly how he wanted it. He wanted an indie little career, but he loved the money. He loved the money, he loved all the fame, he loved how big the music got, but he wanted it both. He wanted you to think that you could live one life and be a rock star on fucking Wednesday, but then on Thursday be able to go to the supermarket, but that's just not how it works. Of course. Well, I don't think, I actually don't know if he did love the money all that much. He loved the heroin.

400 bucks a day, he definitely liked that much money. Yeah, he definitely loved that money. But actually, I think he did kind of, he liked the fame of the fans because Kurt Cobain, what he used to do is pretty much when he wanted to get away for a little bit, he'd go to a park or someplace like that. He'd look for kids with nirvana t-shirts and he'd go up and say like, hey, I'm Kurt Cobain. You want an autograph or something like that? He never turned away a fan, he never turned away an autograph. It was the media attention that he hated more than anything. And he did kind of want to have it both ways.

He wanted to be adored by his fans and make music for the kids, but he didn't want to have to deal with the business side of it. That unfortunately, yeah, music is a fucking business. Always has been. And especially then, you're much more of a cog in a larger machine as opposed to now where you can become a YouTube star and sort of control your own creative destiny. Yeah, there was a lot of people's paychecks that depended on Kurt Cobain. And don't forget to subscribe, all night too. Five stars. But whether Kurt Cobain was lying or not about the stomach pain by the time of his death, it was no longer a problem.

According to Kurt himself, reportedly a doctor diagnosed the source as a pinched nerve that resulted from his scoliosis. But some people also say that when he said, like, all my stomach pains cured, he was just talking about heroin. That he finally found a medication that worked with it and that medication was heroin. We just don't really know. There's a lot of, it's just a lot of this shit's just, we just don't really know. Well, I mean, at this point, I don't recall OxyContin being a thing. It wasn't. It wasn't around yet, right?

No. I wonder if he would have been prescribed something like that. Who knows? He probably would have been. He probably would have died from that. Yeah, exactly. Like so many other fucking people are dying right now. Yeah.

Now, unfortunately, by the time the stomach pain was quote unquote cured, he was already a full-blown addict, although he would make multiple attempts to get clean specifically after the birth of his daughter, Francis Bean, who can currently be seen as the face of the New Mark Jacobs campaign here in New York City. Look at that. Yeah, she's on billboards now. It's nice to be, uh, talk about a fellow model. You know? Which it doesn't seem like my big, by the way, Kmart, what's going on?

Where's my big and tall campaign? But anyway, I don't want to get into that. No, by all accounts, Kurt was an extremely loving and dedicated father, but not so dedicated that he stopped doing heroin altogether. And the weeks leading up to his death, Cobain reportedly OD'd multiple times just not bad enough to go to the hospital. And people say that it was actually Courtney who revived him those times that he OD'd. Now, this could point more towards the suicide angle as it is possible. He was attempting suicide each time and finally decided to use a shotgun on the final try to make it stick.

But the heroin has its own story to tell as we'll get into on the next episode. I'll tell you what, it's a sleepy story. Yeah, it is. I just don't fully understand heroin. It's not a party drug. It's such a, I guess it's very personal experience, I suppose. Yeah. It replaces everything.

The whole point is that it replaces everything. It lowers all stakes because it makes it so that you just don't give a shit about anything. So you don't have to worry about your career. You don't have to worry about your marriage. You don't have to worry about being a dad. You don't have to worry about anything. It just evens the playing field to the point where you are a fucking walking skeleton. Yes, kind of a zombie person.

Well, it's a drug of despair. Yeah. So, despite a new kid being introduced into the mix, things were rapidly deteriorating with Kourtney. First, there was the money, which was getting to be more and more important to Kourtney love. And when the royalty checks for Nevermind started coming in, Kourtney noticed that Dave Grohl, the drummer and current lead singer of Foo Fighters, and Chris Novoselic, bassist and currently political activist. And six foot seven.

Yes. Wonderful guys. Very tall, man. They used to mock him when I was growing up. Riddled with clots. Most likely. Well, Kourtney noticed that the other two guys in the band were getting the same share as Kurt, despite Kurt being the principal songwriter.

When they first signed the Nevermind deal, they were like, yeah, three ways. Why the fuck else would we ever do it any other way? It was like a punk rock ethos type thing. Yeah. And I mean, you say like Kurt Cobain loved the money. I mean, as long as he had $400 a day, he was fine. Okay. All right.

That's his limit on money for two bucks a day. That's the hair. But think about what he's saving on food. That kind of money you're saving. It's like he's making money. Right. Well, yeah, he liked the money, but he was never greedy about the money. He didn't necessarily care about having a huge house.

In fact, when him and Kourtney bought a big house outside of Seattle, the house that ended up dying in, he would say that he was embarrassed to live out there. Yeah. And then when he would go and stay out in hotels, he would stay at flea traps. And he'd always, this is a fun thing, he'd always register under the name Bill Bailey, which was Axl Rose's real name. Really? Yeah.

Well, they had this weird feud. I remember, I remember those two skinny nerds. Axl Rose, I believe getting the ring was getting the ring about Kurt Cobain. No. Well, getting the ring was about all the people that pissed off Axl Rose. Axl Rose weighed 115 pounds if he had an erection. The guy couldn't fight a fly and he was challenging the entire world to get the ring. And again, this is where, to be honest, it always makes me mad.

The problem is that he was also a small town kid who was a child of divorce, who was kind of unwanted by a bunch of people, shuffled around from family members and shit like that. So he just felt like he didn't deserve anything, but it was also kind of purposefully done. And it's also this weird self-conscious thing of like, he doesn't want to show that he cares about the money even though he's got all this money. He was such a perfect Kurt Cobain, such a perfect musician for your latchkey kid.

Yeah. The kid who comes home, parents aren't there, they're still working, you got to take care of yourself. He was ideal for that. Now, about these royalties, Courtney reportedly freaked out when she found that the other guys were getting an equal share and hounded Kurt to do something about it, even though by all accounts, he didn't really give a fuck about the money.

Right. But Courtney finally wore him down enough that he eventually demanded a larger share, which actually almost broke up Nirvana, because they called his bluff on it. Yeah, I mean, Kurt Cobain's getting worm-tongued here and they're like, come on, man. Yeah, that's pretty much what it's like. What are you doing? Why? Why does it matter to you so much?

Why cause drama? Yeah, why even bring this up? And then Chris was like, we should do it by height, and I'll take 90% of the money. Well, the other guys, they eventually agreed and life moved on. Sure. And then there was in utero. Now, at one point, it is obvious that Kurt loved Courtney very much and vice versa.

I think, like, if you see interview, if you read interviews with Kurt Cobain and with Courtney Love, if you see how they were together, it's obvious they were these two weird, kind of shitty kids who actually, for a while, had a great time together. I think that she obviously did love him and this might be a little bit hyperbolic, but the fact that she stayed clean during the pregnancy is kind of a sign that she was really happy with him. Well, not completely. She did.

No, she did not really. No, she said that she did. She was doing drugs at the beginning of the pregnancy and then came back. Basically, public opinion forced her to pull it all back and clean up for a little bit. Oh, okay. I was under the impression. Well, either way, Francis Bean is doing great. I hear she's a model.

Well, that was... I thought you have a skit baby. That is true. Well, that was actually the big controversy behind Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain is that Courtney Love had done an interview with Vanity Fair magazine in which she had pretty offhandedly mentioned that she had been doing heroin during her pregnancy. I mean, in the world when that came out, the world freaked out and in fact, after Francis Bean was born,

Child Protective Services took her away for about three weeks. Well, it's nice to have a little break. I don't know. Well, that's the thing about Courtney. Most people did love her at first, but the more a person was around her, the less they seemed to like her. She was super charming. A lot of people say it was very easy to fall in love with Courtney Love,

but the more they were around her, the more the word abrasive was used. Can you imagine if the name of her band was Love and her name was Courtney Hole? Yeah. Honestly, I often get it switched. Courtney Hole. Sounds like someone who's just always late to court. Now, Kurt, he was no exception to these people that tended to get tired of Courtney. By 1993, Kurt was writing lyrics like those heard on All Apologies

in which he's saying, married, buried, over and over and over again. Oh, man, it's a great rhyme. It's a great rhyme. It sounds great. It comes down to just rips. And on Heart Shape Box, which was named for the first gift Courtney ever gave Kurt, he's saying, throw down your umbilical news so I can climb right back, along with, I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap,

which is the grossest way you can describe someone's vagina. Is that what that is? Yeah. Tar pit trap? It's a very rare disease called gargoyle vulva, where it's charcoal black. I didn't realize that. I actually know a little bit about what that looks like, but I won't talk about it. In other words, talking about these lyrics, they were not the lyrics of a man happy with his marriage.

But on the other hand, he was, again, a smart ass. And he could have been writing these lyrics as a response to the public's opinions about Courtney, which would needless to say, not high at this point because of the Vanity Fair article. But also to bring up fucking Beyonce and Jay-Z again, she just did the same shit to him and that lemonade thing where she used the relationship drama to sell fucking records. And so it's the same shit. It's like he could be doing the same exact thing. I don't think he was doing it to sell records though, because this was a purposefully non-commercial album.

They hired Steve Albini, who's like, you know, the big underground producer, to record this album because they didn't want to just repeat. Nevermind because, in fact, they said they didn't like Nevermind that much because the production was so amazingly slick and commercial. Steve Albini, I'm sorry, I just immediately pictured somebody pushing a hot dog carton. This is Steve Albini's Weenies. Come on down. Albini's Weenies, nothing but pure black tar heroin in these Weenies. Great for making music and terrible for falling in love.

Well, actually, Steve Albini, one of his bands, is Big Black. Oh, okay. And Big Black's fucking awesome, industrial. But yeah, Steve Albini is behind a lot of your favorite albums. He's amazing and did like a fucking great job actually producing in utero. And even though they didn't use all the songs that he produced, that's a whole different conversation. Good thing he's not a hot dog salesman. I lead a war knows what I had to kill him. Well, either way, people describe Courtney's treatment during and around the recording of in utero as nothing short of terrible. Like she constantly hurl abuse his way. Her favorite insult being dumb fuck is that she call him dumb fuck over and over again.

And she was always fond of saying that he couldn't, he couldn't hail a cab by himself. That he was, because he was becoming completely and totally emotionally dependent on her. Right. And he was addicted to heroin, so he probably was acting, you know, kind of foolishly. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, he was probably not a great person to be around. Yeah, it's not nice to say to somebody though. He also liked that someone else was calling the shots. Yeah, because then he didn't have to. Again, he's high on heroin all the time.

He's overwhelmed constantly about his job and all the shit that he's dealing with. He loved that Courtney wanted to come in and take care of everything because then she gave him something. Right. But if you listen to some people, it was becoming pretty obvious that he was getting tired of it. On March 1st, 1994, just a month before Cobain's death, he supposedly called his lawyer from backstage at Nirvana's last show and told her that he wanted to draw up a will specifically excluding Courtney as a benefactor. I can't wait till we get this successful that we are calling divorce lawyers right before we step on stage to do last podcast on the left line. Henry, you're not married. We can't give you a divorce.

I'm trying to get divorced from chocolate. See, Cobain was, according to the lawyer, planning to leave Courtney and because they had signed a prenup, Courtney was going to only get a small settlement, if anything at all. The lawyer also said Courtney had called her and told her to find the meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer in town and also asked if it was at all possible to void the prenup both her and Kurt had signed. Now, there was indeed a will drawn up just before Kurt's death, according to police, but Kurt hadn't had a chance to sign it yet and police have refused to reveal whether or not it does indeed exclude Courtney. And some say it was odd that a man in his mid-20s would have even had a will, which points towards suicide again,

but when you factor in that he was at this point a multi-millionaire with an extremely dangerous drug habit, it's not so far of a stretch. I agree. He was a dad. Once you have a kid, that shit starts popping up because then it's about making sure something's going to happen. The money can go to his daughter. So after that show in Germany, Kurt canceled the rest of their European tour due to a throat ailment and flew to Rome where he was joined by Courtney. And this is the site of the supposed first suicide attempt, according to Courtney.

After dinner on March 3rd, 1994, Kurt called up a bellboy at the hotel where they were staying and sent him out to pick up a prescription for rehypno, better known as the date rape drug. Oh, right away? So absolutely right away. You need something to fall asleep on your own dick? Absolutely. I'll do that for you, sir. Nice bellboy, I guess. Also, what they gave Freddy, or what they gave Jason in Freddy vs. Jason. Really? That's what the guy injected into his neck. Remember? And then he gets sliced in half? Oh, yeah. Rehypno. Now, when the bellboy returned, Kurt and Courtney ordered two bottles of champagne and proceeded to mix booze and pills,

which you should never, ever, ever, ever do. There you go, Mrs. Bailey. I hope you enjoy this little here super side cocktail. Hope you don't need me help with your bags. Oh no, you'll be dead soon, huh? All right, be soon, y'all. Little bit of tippants. Full of bellboy. Why is our bellboy in black and white? When Courtney woke up, she found Kurt unresponsive with blood coming out of his nose, and so she called an ambulance. Now, Courtney said in montage of heck that this was a suicide attempt. He had done it, she said, because she had thought about cheating on him. That's it.

That she hadn't cheated on him, hadn't even told him she was thinking about it, but just her thinking that she was going to do it was enough to send him over the edge. But she still made it about herself. Yeah. As opposed to a man obviously crying out for help. And she also says in the documentary that they pumped 67 pills out of his stomach when another interview had said that they pumped 50 pills out of his stomach. And now I don't know where the fuck she's getting her prescriptions filled, and I don't know how it works in Italy,

but it seems a little unlikely that they were able to send a bellboy out into the night to get over 70 tablets of an extremely powerful tranquilizer. Now, Colton is here prescribing us. I said 70 pills. Now, are you trying to kill the entire hotel? Well, that sounds like a good idea. I'll thank you, sir, for your tip. Easiest pot again. Never seen me easy a thing. One time I had to get an elephant in Alice Cooper's bedroom in order to fuck the trunk. And I tell you what, he did it. He did, huh?

And also the doctor who actually treated Cobain at the hospital said that there were nowhere near that many pills in his system and that it did not appear to him at all that this was a suicide attempt. He was just being an idiot. But the question does remain, if Courtney wanted Kurt dead, why would she call an ambulance? Why not just let him die then? Right.

Interesting. Because also you had not signed the fucking will yet. No, yeah, because she was still all set up. She should have just killed him then. Mistakes. You know, hindsight is 20-20, Henry. She should have just let him die. She was also on Rufies. She was also on, yeah, she was also on Rufies,

but she was walking up. I really don't, I don't think that she, I don't, she's not a stone cold killer. No, she's not, she's not a stone cold killer, but you also wonder if this was a suicide attempt, then why didn't she tell anybody? Yeah. Why did she keep it to herself?

Why did she not say to anyone like, hey, we should probably look after Kurt a little bit. He's suicidal. Right. Either way, after Cobain woke up from a brief come of the two, returned to Seattle. A couple weeks later, on March 18th, Courtney called 911, saying Kurt had locked himself

in a room with several weapons and was threatening suicide. And this is another incident that people point to to bolster the suicide claim. But the patrol officer who showed up on the scene told a very different story. He said when he showed up, Courtney was standing on the front porch screaming that Kurt was inside and was going to kill himself.

But when the officer went around back to enter the house through the back door, he said that he found Cobain standing in the backyard with his hands in his pockets. He said he didn't seem suicidal, just deeply embarrassed. And after answering a few questions, Cobain admitted that he just locked himself in a room after an argument and just didn't want to deal with his wife. And Courtney herself admitted that she didn't see him with a gun

and he did not say that he was going to kill himself. Oh, so Courtney Love is just a Godzilla-sized pain in the ass. Yeah, and then they did. I mean, they're just an immature couple, I guess. Yeah. This is what an immature couple. I'm locking myself in my room as opposed to dealing with the issue. Yeah, exactly.

But nevertheless, this incident is still used to this day as hard evidence that Cobain was suicidal in the weeks leading up to his death. And to be fair, if Rome was indeed a suicide attempt, then Courtney would have had reason to freak out if he locked himself away as there were indeed guns in the house. But even though it might have been a misunderstanding, cops still confiscated all of Cobain's guns

and Kurt was left weaponless. And this is when Kurt's friend Dylan Carlson comes onto the scene. This is another piece of fucking work. All of the people that were surrounded them, their inner circle were just such garbage junkies that it's fucking rough. It's so rough. Nobody cared about them.

Kurt Cobain's house is like a libertarian paradise. Just full of drugs, full of guns. Yeah, I mean, none of the other members of Nirvana actually lived in the same city as Kurt Cobain. They saw him every once in a while and people would come in and out. And I think it was Chris Novoselic that said that he saw Cobain a couple weeks before his death. And he said that he looked like shit.

He was strung out. He was on heroin. So yeah, the people that they surrounded themselves with, yeah, I mean, junkies hang out with junkies. Yeah, and Chris was a big drinker. So heroin addicts and alcoholics, you know, that's not a fun mix. No. No, that's usually because if you're doing heroin and drinking, you're gonna die.

Yes. Yeah. Now, on March 30th, nine days before Kurt's body was found, Cobain and Dylan went to a Seattle gun shop called Stan Baker Sports and bought a Remington 20-gauge shotgun under Dylan's name as Kurt was afraid to confiscate that one as well if it was under his name. Now, what sport is shooting yourself in the head?

Do you go in? I love that all these guns are always at sporting goods stores. We got footballs, we got basketballs, we got shotguns if you're suicidal. We also got volleyballs. See, Kurt was a pretty staunch second amendment guy saying he needed a gun for protection as he didn't have bodyguards and he was, without a doubt, the biggest rock star in the world at this point except for maybe Axl Rose.

Now Cobain's friend Dylan maintains that he never thought Cobain was suicidal otherwise he wouldn't have bought him a fucking shotgun but on the other hand, Dylan was a junkie just like Kurt and he might not have been in the most perceptive state at this time. Yeah, especially when your rock star friend asked you to buy a shotgun under your name. Just that idea of that seems pretty irresponsible. After all of his guns were already taken away. Yeah, yeah.

So after dropping the gun off at his house, Cobain got on a plane and traveled to LA to check into rehab to give it one more go at the Exodus Recovery Center. He spent two days there before escaping over a brick wall and traveling back to Seattle. And this is when things get murky. We're not exactly sure when Kurt Cobain died as he had been dead for a few days by the time he was found on April 8th

but what we do know is that according to a newly released police report, a taxi driver picked up a guy from Cobain's house on April 2nd and drove him to a gun store to buy some shotgun bullets. Now, do you tell the taxi driver that that's what you're doing? He asked the taxi driver. He told the taxi driver that my house got broken into a couple days ago and I need to buy some bullets for my shotgun for protection. Where should I go to buy shotgun bullets?

And the taxi driver took him to a sporting goods store. We got my house so I can give you something for free and then maybe you can kiss my wife for me. I am a bit of what has been called a cock-old and I think it'd be kind of fun to watch you kiss my wife, you baby blue eyes. Is your name, is your name's Kurtland? Can we just go to the sporting goods store? I think they have...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard they got volleyball's there. However, the police report does not say specifically that the driver took Kurt Cobain to the gun store. It just says, quote, a male. And whether it was Kurt or not, Cobain was dead from a gunshot wound to the head along with the massive heroin OD, maybe, by April 5th at the latest. Just a couple days after Courtney Love hired private investigator Tom Grant

who will introduce on our next episode. Oh my goodness, it really is sad though. It's very sad. You know, Pat and Oswald actually had a great quote about drugs and alcohol, how they always beat art. And if Kurt Cobain could have just stayed healthy, I mean he would probably be doing Mark Jacob ads right now as well. Sure.

I don't think so. Oh, I think he would be advertising for Taco Bell's new... We got the new Sad Chalupa coming out with Kurt Cobain. Yeah, Grohl isn't advertising the Sad Chalupa. That would have no problem with him selling out like that. No, I think... Kurt Cobain is, for me, the only artist who died young who I truly lament the loss of the music he would have made.

I think Kurt Cobain throughout the years would have come up with some pretty amazing stuff and would have done some great collaborations. He could have done like a Sergio Simpson thing. I imagine him going through a whole phase like doing like hardcore weird country shit because that's what he fantasized about in a bunch of interviews about how he wanted to just be an acoustic guitar player like Johnny Cash in his later life. He was really funny. He's like, now we jump around all the time where I can't wait for when I'm old

when I can just sit on a stool and play guitar. Yes, like Roger McGuinn who I saw in Sleepy Hollow, which was amazing. Yeah, I mean, he would only be in his early 50s. He would be 50 years old. He would be so young still. Yeah, I think he would have turned... Yeah, he would have been extremely young and I think he probably would have been an artist for a little while

but if it was indeed that he was planning to divorce Courtney Love and kind of go off on his own, I really do think that he would have been an artist for a little while and would have eventually ended up putting out some pretty amazing music. Maybe he would have just gone the Jack White route and just become an upholster, which is all Jack White does now is just a poster furniture. He's like, are you a famous Jack?

He just does the shitty job that somebody else doesn't want because he chooses it. I love it. It's like, where the fuck did Daniel Lewis became a shoe cobbler? Why not? There's so many people who are sick of cobbling shoes. But you know what, Henry? Some people love cobbling shoes.

Why not? It's true. Awesome. So the next episode we'll get into some of the conspiracies around what happened and I guess, like Marcus said before, we're going to present both sides and let the audience make their decision and of course, Marcus, you will let us know your personal thoughts at the end of the next episode.

Oh, I have an opinion. I definitely have an opinion. We are fair and balanced here. Fair and balanced. Yeah, because I think this is something that nobody's ever really done before. It's either somebody that's hardcore on one side or hardcore on the other but we're really trying to look at all angles here because really, the conspiracy itself is really the interesting part here

why people believe this conspiracy. I do have one question. Was there a robot maid? Did they have a robot maid? They did not have a Rosie. Okay, because I was going to say the robot maid did it. Yes, because Rosie, I can see she came alive and became jealous of the fact that Kurt Cobain could choose to make music

because robots cannot understand the organic choice to make music. There are programs too. And so how could you choose to blow your own brains out for the fucking freedom? I could see why a robot would be jealous. I'm going to go back, rethink my inks and I'll have my own decision as well. It wasn't the robot maid though because it didn't exist. Awesome. Well, thanks so much for listening, everyone.

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That's what I meant to say. Are you drunk? You know what? I have a lot of water and I'm on a cleanse right now. I've lost 10 pounds a month and a week removed from Papa John's. It's been actually hard because I get so many emails from them. My emails, I get Domino's and Papa John's and they blast me. They block them.

I don't want to block them because I also love them. This is my garlic sauce is my heroin. You could go back. You can. If you can figure out how to do it in fucking moderation, you can go back to having pizza. I can't because it's for $60. You can get 10 pizzas. $60?

I spend an average of $60 and then I do a healthy tip. You eat pizza. You eat Papa John specifically like a military barracks. Yes. But it's just me and then. But anyway, a week, a month and a week and I've lost 10 pounds. Congratulations. Thank you very much.

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