Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 274: Oklahoma City Part I - The Day

Episode Date: June 20, 2017

On the first of a multi-part series on the Oklahoma City bombing, we cover the events of April 19th, 1995, in which a domestic terrorist named Timothy McVeigh parked a 7000 lb truck bomb in front of a... federal building in Oklahoma City, OK and detonated it, killing 168 people and injuring over 800. The Show Must Be Go Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Private Eye Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under

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Starting point is 00:00:22 This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Let's see. So should we start the show? Let's start the show. All right.
Starting point is 00:00:40 Welcome to the last podcast on the left, everyone. I am Ben Kitzel. That's Marcus Barks. Hello. And we've got H-Bone, Henry Zabrowski and Elana. Oklahoma where the wind comes down planes. It's not going to be as fun as the musical. No, it's definitely not.
Starting point is 00:00:54 So today we're going to be talking about Oklahoma City. Of course, the bombing that occurred in 1995. Extremely heavy topic. But once again, Marcus and H-Bone, I think there's some crack research in here and a lot of information that's going to be enlightening to our audience. So on April 19th, 1995, a conspiracy-minded Gulf War vet named Timothy McVeigh parked a 7,000 pound ammonium nitrate fuel bomb loaded on a yellow rider moving truck in front of the Alfred P. Mira federal building in downtown Oklahoma City.
Starting point is 00:01:24 When all was said and done after the bomb was detonated, 168 people were dead and over 800 were injured. And honestly, that's his biggest crime. His second biggest crime is owning that neon yellow mercury. Oh my God. It's a pastel yellow, all right. We'll get into some of his interesting car choices to say the least. Although I will say in this episode, no yacht, which that's kind of a big deal.
Starting point is 00:01:49 It's Oklahoma. It's landlocked. Oh, OK. Now, according to McVeigh, this act of domestic terror was done in part as retaliation for the siege at the Mount Carmel compound in Waco, Texas, the climax of which came two years to the day before the Oklahoma City bombing. For those of you who don't know, the Waco siege involved a cult named the Branch Davidians. The Davidians were stockpiling various weapons.
Starting point is 00:02:13 The ATF got wind. They decided to raid the place and fucked up the entire operation spectacular. Now, I will say I do not support what the federal government did regarding Waco or we'll get into Ruby Ridge. But Janet Reno was played perfectly by Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live. And so that is a bright side. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:02:32 And the Branch Davidians were not good. No. They did not do good things. No. But the ATF fucked up everything. And we're going to see that they're going to fuck up a lot more as the time goes. And I don't know why, because it seems like a very sensitive place. It seems like everyone should be really good at their jobs at the ATF.
Starting point is 00:02:48 It seems like they really mess it up. They bungle. These are a bunch of bumble butts. That's true. Now, at the end of the 51-day Waco siege, 76 Branch Davidians, including 25 children, had died in a fire set under the direction of cult leader David Koresh as government agencies stormed the compound in a last-ditch effort to flush out the cult members. Now, there was a lot of bad shit happening in that compound, not the least of which was
Starting point is 00:03:13 David Koresh's multiple child brides, which would have been totally cool if he had made Annie Hall first. This is technically a Woody Allen joke, so we're going to let that pass. Thank you. But of course, this is where a lot of the conspiracy theories come in as well. When it comes to the fire, there's a lot of different videos and stuff. They're like, you can see them spraying in napalm and those sorts of things, which is not what they did.
Starting point is 00:03:35 That wasn't what it was. It was tear gas. David Koresh set the fires to kill everyone. There was an audio recording of them saying, like, David said to pour the fuel, right? Like, yeah, David said to pour the fuel. Man, I wish we had more. Yep, yep, I can't wait. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:48 And we'll also get a lot more into those videos that show the flames supposedly coming out of the tanks in Waco. That's going to play a huge part in this story, videos and rumors like that. These conspiracy theories have real life ramifications, and that's what we're talking about here. They absolutely do, because that's the thing is that the radical right didn't see it that way. They didn't see it as David Koresh had all these child brides that needed to be free. And their minds, and specifically in the mind of Timothy McVeigh, Waco was proof that all the conspiracy theories that have been swirling around gun shows and in pamphlets for years
Starting point is 00:04:22 were finally coming true. Now, remember honestly, if gun shows weren't so bad, it does sound like a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. I mean, if they were like literally like Beverly Hills Cop three, where you just had a really corky European dude selling you huge weapons, that's fun. And you have a crime that you have to solve and stuff, but usually it's just people who want to get an arsenal of guns to protect their families from cows. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Now remember, all this is pre-internet. If you wanted to get a hold of wacky shit, you had to go out of your way and look for it. It's a good old days. Yeah. You had to really work to be a conspiracy theory theorist back then. Do you remember the dude that we used to go to in Union Square, the big fat guy with weird sunglasses at night, and you had to go through his piles of stuff to find the really fucked up esoteric documentaries about how like Martin Luther King was half Jewish, and he was a
Starting point is 00:05:11 side hit cyborg legs? Yeah, that was back in the day. It's a similar thing when weed is legalized. You no longer have to hang out with the weird guy who just wants to chill for 90 minutes and you try to get him out of your apartment as quick as possible. Yeah. See, conspiracy is about the New World Order coming to take away your guns and subjugate the American people.
Starting point is 00:05:28 That shit wasn't in your pocket. Right. You had to go searching on the fringes for that type of thought. And Waco wasn't even the beginning for these people as far as the far reaching New World Order conspiracies went. Less than a year earlier, the ATF had participated in another huge fuck up in a siege at Ruby Ridge in Northern Idaho. I would go as far to say is that Ruby Ridge was a genuinely gigantic fuck up.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Even more so than Waco. Ruby Ridge was like, they performed almost on a criminal level. The fact that like, we'll go through it right now. We'll get into it. Ruby Ridge was a standoff between the US government and a white supremacist named Randy Weaver, who was holed up in the cabin with his wife, two kids, and a friend of theirs. Long story short, by the end of it, Randy's wife and son were dead and ATF agent was dead and Randy and his friend were wounded.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Well, what the story was with Ruby Ridge is this guy, Randy Weaver, had pretty much been entrapped into sawing off some barrels off of shotguns and he had a warrant. By the US government. By the US government. They set him up. This is very standard FBI, ATF procedure. You just get one, you tell them they're in a very difficult predicament and you flip them to get all of the leaders.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Randy Weaver was not a leader in the white supremacist movement. That's why they were using him to get to the big fish. He refused to go along with the ATF and what the federal government wanted to do. So they just holed up in their home and it just escalated and every mistake that could have been made was made and then you have the situation where the death of his son, the death of his wife, the ATF, the FBI did not realize they shot his wife and they consistently used him. They would tell him to just let your wife free and then we can negotiate and he thought
Starting point is 00:07:13 that they were taunting him. Yeah, he just sat in that house with his dead wife for a week before they finally came out. Can you imagine that? Yeah. So McVeigh, he used these two incidents to justify his actions. Here's McVeigh saying that himself. Who started the war?
Starting point is 00:07:31 Who's the aggressor? That's how I look at the Murrow bombing. To me, it wasn't a start of a war, it was a counterattack. The war had already been started. You guys think you can be ruthless? Let's see how you like it when the fight is brought to you. And go fuck yourself. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:07:53 As I say, I say go fuck yourself. See the appropriate response. But this really, Ruby Ridge was really amplified as well by this character, Beau Gritz, who was a big leader in the white supremacist movement, also at the time running for president. So he took this as a diplomatic opportunity to show what a great diplomatic leader he would be and he attempted to broker the deal between the family and the FBI. And he did. But if you watch the documentary, there's a documentary, great American experience documentary
Starting point is 00:08:19 about Ruby Ridge. And they interview Beau Gritz. And man, he is so happy to have been a part of something. I gotta say, it's an opportunity. It's just nice to be a part of it. You know, it's like when I was first, now that I'm on the set of crash and HBO is crashing, it's a wonderful opportunity. The official story is that Timothy McVeigh was a lone wolf helped by a man named Terry Nichols,
Starting point is 00:08:45 who said that he went along with it only because McVeigh had threatened both Nichols life and the life of his family. But to me, that doesn't make any sense. If you look at the history of mass murder in America, lone wolves are sick people. They're guys like Charles Whitman at UT who had a brain tumor or Sung Cho at Virginia Tech who had more mental problems than we have time to go into here. And a very strange YouTube account. My goodness.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Yeah. I mean, Timothy McVeigh is not writing Richard McBeath. You should have though. Honestly though, if he could have just managed to channel his anger into song, the songs would have been horrible. At least they would have been songs. Timothy McVeigh was not sick. Sure, he no doubt suffered from PTSD from his time in the Gulf War, which we will get into,
Starting point is 00:09:33 but McVeigh was not sick the way Sung Cho was sick. McVeigh was radicalized. Absolutely. He was a part of a gigantic network. I think he was completely supported. I'm with you dog meat on that whole front. He was given a copy of a book called The Turner Diaries that we're going to go into more deeper detail next episode.
Starting point is 00:09:52 But that book is going to be sort of like the invitation to the Aryan nation that is going to move people. This is American ISIS. It's essentially like people like Lewis Beam who came out and said this idea of leaderless revolution, of little pods of people doing gigantic horrible violent acts that he hoped would just happen without a central network. What's just terrorism? That is domestic terrorism.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, Tim McVeigh is the definition of domestic terrorism. He's the poster child of domestic terrorism. He is the Garth Brooks of domestic terrorism. Don't bring Garth Brooks into this. Every time you bring up Garth Brooks, I'm forced to get defensive because the thunder does roll. And we have to remember that the thunder rolls.
Starting point is 00:10:32 It's not just a web report, it's also a great song. You know who was the face of domestic terrorism before this, which is sad that it got bumped? The kid from Problem Child. If you really take those movies like a serious crime drama, he was horrible. Dennis Domenis. Yeah. American terrorist. In this series, we aim to show just how Timothy McVeigh got to this point, how he was inspired
Starting point is 00:10:54 by a white, separatist, quote unquote, patriot movement that still thrives and is defended to this day and how irrational conspiracy beliefs justified McVeigh's actions to himself. We also plan to show how it is very possible, if not probable, that there were many more people involved than just McVeigh and Nichols and how the entire thing, just like 9-11, six years later, could have been prevented if not for the incompetence and shortsideness of a few law enforcement officials who weren't listening to what their people were telling them. And they were actively fighting one another.
Starting point is 00:11:30 They were in competition with one another, not fighting for the greater good of the American people, which was what they should be doing. Yes. The term shortsideness is the most important thing. Like yes, they did fuck some things up, but mostly it was about they just wanted to have the crime be closed. They wanted the case closed. They wanted Timothy McVeigh in jail, and that's it.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Because the complicated weaving of getting into how do you shut down Elohim City? How do you shut down like the CSA? All these gigantic networks, these white supremacists that were sort of hidden, the white supremacy part of it just hid the patriot movement. It's weird how they used all that hate rhetoric to just be like, oh, it's just a bunch of idiots in the mountains talking about how they hate other races. But actually they were preparing for a year against the US government. And again, Ruby Ridge and Waco had happened previously.
Starting point is 00:12:16 The FBI was kind of looking their way. They didn't want another situation like that. Or the ATF. The ATF specifically. Absolutely not. And the ATF not wanting another situation like that is partly what led to Oklahoma City. But again, Janet Reno played by Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live. That was funny.
Starting point is 00:12:34 That was funny. But before we get to the life and times of Timothy McVeigh and the movement that at the very least inspired him, we're going to cover the actual bombing itself. As we know, a lot of our listeners are either too young to remember or may not have even been born before April 19, 1995. God, it makes me so sad. We just had Joey Fatone on set for your pretty faces going to hell. It's a bit of a spoiler alert.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Calm down, ladies. I know. I thought it up that it's the 20th anniversary of the NSYNC coming together next year. And I was like, that's horrible. That's ridiculous. NSYNC can vote? Oh, no. And they were one year away from drinking.
Starting point is 00:13:14 NSYNC's been able to vote for two years. Oh my God. That's crazy. But before we get into it, we have to cite our main sources here. The first is American Terrorist by Lou Mechel and Dan Herback. It's the book that was essentially endorsed by McVeigh. It's where he told his live story, although it still doesn't paint a flattering portrait of McVeigh.
Starting point is 00:13:38 This guy was the only guy that McVeigh actually talked to. Well, yeah, it's also, there's no way it's going to be a flattering portrait unless it's a pamphlet at a gun show. There's no way you can sugarcoat the story enough. You can't say all the details, but it's like, but also he could have been an incredible dancer. He had an elegant arch to his feet. I mean, as far as haircuts go, he definitely had one.
Starting point is 00:14:00 He was definitive. He was very proud of his brush cut. He called it his brush cut. And that was one of the things that he hated most about being in prison was that he wasn't able to get a good brush cut anymore. Oh, poor guy. He's a sling blade looking country in red sister fucking piece of shit. But of course he was on death row, so this was an opportunity for him to really share
Starting point is 00:14:21 his story and get his point of view out there. The other book that we checked out, and this one is the really interesting one, and it only came out a couple years ago after a ton of FBI files were finally released. The other book is Oklahoma City, What the Investigation Missed and Why It Still Matters by Andrew Gumbel and Roger Charles. This one refutes McVeigh's story in a number of ways and also gives a fantastic overview of everything that went wrong here. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:48 And the one thing I will say definitely in defense of this book, it has 80 pages of source material of sighting where it gets all of its different points. It's very, very thorough. It's a really cool breakdown. It's a little mind-numbing because it's a lot of details, but it paints a picture of why it was so difficult to investigate this, the incident and the evidence that points towards there was a whole network that was working with Timothy McVeigh. And also to prove that this book is valid and reasonable in those 80 pages of source
Starting point is 00:15:16 material. Not one of the sources is info wars, so that's really, that's good. Guys, hopefully we got to give our support to our boy, Alex Jones, tonight's his big night. We're not talking about the Alex Jones, Megyn Kelly interview. Well, Alex Jones is a big, speaking of Alex Jones, Oklahoma City is one of Alex Jones's big inside job claims. And he says that the entire thing was done to malign the quote unquote patriot movement.
Starting point is 00:15:46 The patriot movement is a white supremacist movement. The ignite for him tonight, I hope he shines, I hope he wins, best cinematography, I didn't know what he's going to do tonight, but whatever it is is going to be fascinating, all eyes on him. But yeah, this is the start of Alex Jones really starting to get into like inside job bullshit. Like Oklahoma City was one of his first big conspiracy theories. And that's what we're going to get into here.
Starting point is 00:16:13 There were so many different holes in the official narrative, it was able to be filled by conspiracy theorists to then prove whatever point they want to prove, whatever narrative they wanted to create, they were able to create. Absolutely. And the reason why those holes existed was because of incompetence, right through and through. That's how it always goes with these is that the holes are always caused by incompetence that the government does not want exposed.
Starting point is 00:16:37 It's not that they're trying to not expose evils that they've done. Sometimes they are. But most of the time, they're just trying to cover up how badly they fucked up. Bad investigations leave these incidents, sort of like they become like a Sasha Gray. So many holes to be filled with conspiracy theories. And I think that and it's available for it and it's hungry for it and it's and it's horny for it. Okay, well, we did manage to get there.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Now let's get to the bombing itself. Now that we've got Sasha Gray out of the way, thank God. Thank you. It's been burning in my pocket for a while. That's good. I'm happy. It's been released. The GD is out of the bottle.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Now the site of the bombing was the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. While there were offices for the ATF Secret Service and DEA in the building, it was mostly run of the mill government offices. It was stuff like Social Security, housing and urban development, veterans affairs, army recruiting, and just like a lot of other buildings like this, there was a daycare there as well. 550 people worked at the Murrah Building, but that doesn't account for the hundreds who came in and out every day to use basic governmental services, many of whom were there
Starting point is 00:17:53 on the morning of April 19th. This was 9 a.m. This place had just opened up. See McVeigh was faced with a choice. He could very well have set a bomb to explode in the middle of the night when fatalities would be kept to a minimum, but McVeigh didn't want to just destroy a building. He thought that the only way to catch the government's attention would be to rack up a high body count.
Starting point is 00:18:17 As far as the loss of innocent life went, McVeigh rationalized it by comparing the people inside to employees on the Death Star. We've got a nerd alert, we've got a nerd alert, we've got a nerd alert. Another way for George Lucas to get his merchandising into American events. So this is out of Timothy McVeigh's. This is his actual analogy. He equated them to individuals who worked on the Death Star from Star Wars. From his mouth, directly from McVeigh's mouth.
Starting point is 00:18:48 In his rationalization, while not every person on the Death Star was individually guilty of crimes against the galaxy, they were still serving on behalf of Emperor Palpatine, in this case represented by Bill Clinton. It's not real. Which actually really resents because Emperor Palpatine definitely could not still get an erection. Absolutely not. He definitely could.
Starting point is 00:19:09 To his own detriment. See McVeigh thought of himself as Luke Skywalker. Oh my god, I can't even with this jerk off. I am like a little Luke Skywalker if you think about it. He's just like Luke Skywalker because Luke Skywalker also wanted to fuck his sister. Well this is kind of- It's red. Shit fucks.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Well Ben, you were kind of talking about stuff like this on the last episode of Top Hat where a lot of these people, they want their lives to be movies. They want their lives to be simple movies with bad guys. They want to be the hero and they want it to all be wrapped up in a nice little package. And we have 168 innocent dead people because of this morons trying to live the extension of a film that he loves. Also Timothy McVeigh was using set up rhetoric. He is parroting things that he has heard.
Starting point is 00:20:02 He has sat and thought about the statements he was going to make. All of this is rehearsed. I imagine that they used pop culture in a lot of their recruiting material. Yeah, oh sure. There was a lot of that where it's like- So it makes it a very simple attention grabbing description of your action and it's easily printable in a newspaper, which is what they wanted. Now by blowing up the Death Star in this case, represented by the mirror building.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Yeah, can you imagine the daycare of the Death Star? Yeah. Timothy McVeigh would be seen as a hero striking back against an evil empire. It goes back to John Wilkes Booth. He thought the same thing. They all think they're going to be heroes. It never happens that way. It never works.
Starting point is 00:20:46 They all die in fire. They all get murdered. You're fucking moron. Never works different. In reality, 80% of the people who died in the blast had no connection whatsoever to law enforcement. They were just regular people going to work in a government job to make ends meet. They're just trying to get to the weekends so they can go fishing and try to forget that
Starting point is 00:21:05 they work at the mural building. The exact number is 138 out of 168. Had nothing to do with any one of those apartments. And you're just talking about the ATF too. This is before 9am. This is before the big guys even get in. You're literally looking at low level ATF employees. It's fucked up.
Starting point is 00:21:21 So just a little before 9am, Timothy McVeigh, according to him, pulled the yellow rider truck on the side of the road and lit the first fuse. Soon after, he lit the second while waiting at a stop light. He then pulled the rider truck into a drop off point, cut into the sidewalk on the north side of the mural building, got out, put in a pair of earplugs, and walked towards his getaway car. Now apparently, one thing that may have happened is that that was his second plan. That was his backup plan.
Starting point is 00:21:51 The first plan is that he was supposed to go into the underground garage underneath the building. That fucking idiot didn't realize how big the rider truck was and spent 15 minutes back and in and out of the front of the fucking parking structure. Oh my God. And they said, because there was eyewitnesses that say that you see him around driving the rider truck because basically he's scrambling to come up with the next plan, which is like, you figure that'd be the first thing.
Starting point is 00:22:14 You've been casing a building for months. Right. And then you fucking think about the stupid truck. Right. And so now, he lit the wick and I mean, this does take a lot of patience and a lot of calm. I mean, obviously, he was calm to be able to drive around with a loaded bomb that was lit. Well, yeah, he was extremely calm the entire time.
Starting point is 00:22:33 It's crazy. Yeah. And that's why you were saying earlier. That's why he's not, he's not nuts. He's very focused. Not nuts. He is extremely focused. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Yeah. He's not unstable in any way whatsoever. This man knew exactly what he was doing at every turn and felt good about what he was doing at every turn. The McVeigh's getaway car was a pastel 1977 Mercury marquee that McVeigh had parked just a few blocks away with a note on the window that read, not abandoned. Please do not tow. We'll move by April 23rd needs battery and cables.
Starting point is 00:23:06 And that just shows the confidence of white people that you could just put a note in there. You're like, Oh, they'll understand. Everybody understands notes. That's as good as honor. That's an Amer code. Yeah. That is the, that is the definition of a dumpy car that would, whatever you're leaving, you're going to be like, not abandoned, by the way, I'm just going to shop at Costco.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I will be back in 20 minutes. This car is a functioning car. I am just a dirt bag. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. He spent $300 on that mercury marquee pastel yellow had a big rust spot on it. He is just a kind of special douchebag that car dealer needed to see that day.
Starting point is 00:23:41 He's like, Oh, my wife is going to leave me if I don't sell one car and all I got is this pastel piece of crap. Oh, hello. This guy's haircut. I'm moving this car tonight. But before McVeigh could even get to his car, the bomb detonated at 902 a.m. with the power of two and a half tons of TNT. This is a recording of the blast as captured by an audio recording of a routine local government
Starting point is 00:24:07 meeting being held in another building. With regard to this proceeding, basically, there are four elements that I have to receive information regarding. That is such a great audio description of just it's just a mundane day. Yeah. It seemed like a very boring meeting that was going on. It was a waterboard meeting. Oh, well, that's kind of exciting.
Starting point is 00:24:51 But you know, I mean, just this this 419 1995 was just a day. Yeah. And this to happen. I mean, that is again, as we were talking about, this is the definition of terrorism and that blast, you know, I mean, it blew out the blast was loud enough to blow out the recording on this. We had that was loud enough. It was heard over 50 miles away.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Wow. It's a huge bomb. It's a 20 foot long bomb filled with it. How many tons was that 5000 tons? It was three and a half tons. Jesus Christ. All right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:22 So the explosion was powerful enough so as to cause tiles to fall from ceilings and buildings as far as three miles away. Oh, my God. The concussive blast shattered windows and buildings all over downtown Oklahoma City, which shredded people on the street. The majority of people, the majority of people who were injured in this were injured by falling glass because all of these windows just went boom. Yeah, that would make sense.
Starting point is 00:25:44 Virtually every building in downtown Oklahoma City, over 300 of them were damaged in some way by the blast, some bad enough where they had to be demolished completely. Wow. And when the truck exploded, the force of the blast blew the 250 pound rear axle two blocks away where it hit a car and almost killed the family inside, who coincidentally shared the last name Nichols with McVeigh's known co-conspirator. Oh, okay. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Also, the family, the guy that was an eyewitness testimony, he said basically it was like an action movie. He heard the blast. He's like, with his family, he doesn't know, he looks up and he said he saw this axle just going hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, making that noise like in a movie. And it just crashed in his car and he was, he did the good down to his family, which is awesome. He moved very fast.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Yeah. Yeah. What a crazy situation. Yeah. When the smoke cleared, a third of the nine-story mirror building was rubble as the concussive effects of the bomb had weakened the concrete columns enough to cause the building to partly collapse. Which is really interesting, that I learned about bombs, when you was reading Oklahoma
Starting point is 00:26:49 City that I never knew, was that it's not so much the, I mean, the initial blast makes a bunch of damage, but then it creates a vacuum. It's like negative pressure effect where it sucks back in. All the air comes in to fill the space that the concussive energy like pushed out. And that's what they're saying that that's where Timothy McVeigh was accidentally a genius because he did, obviously, did not understand the physics of what he was doing. And that he somehow tricked his way into making it into being extra powerful because it's like two blasts in one, which is also why the conspiracy theories are going to say that
Starting point is 00:27:25 there were two bombs. All right, when there absolutely was not. Now the heat from the blast set cars in the parking lot across the street on fire, and the ground was littered with bodies and body parts, but the worst part was the children. Just above the rider truck on the second floor of the building was the America's Kids Daycare Center. The kids inside were infants, toddlers, and preschoolers. When 21 kids were in the daycare that day, only six survived, and 19 kids throughout
Starting point is 00:27:58 the building would die in the blast. McVeigh would later say that he regretted the children, but never expressed any remorse whatsoever. In his words, the children as well as the non-governmental workers, 69 people who are just there to get their social security check or some other bullshit that day, were nothing more than collateral damage. He is ridiculous. It's one of the words that he used.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Well, he learned a lot of that from his time in the Gulf War, and he had this kind of whole concept of that was the part of it that was going to incite the race war. That was what was going to finally do it. That's what he wanted. He wanted that. So he never even, he doesn't really, he ever even saying the terms that he regretted it. He didn't. He didn't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:28:39 I don't know. It's a little controversial, but we talked about this on Top Hat as well regarding Dillon Roof. We got to ban people with bad haircuts. I don't really believe we ban haircuts. It was in every barber, and every time someone comes in, it was like, what does he call this haircut? The brush.
Starting point is 00:28:53 The brush to the mental list. Now you're on a list. Cut down problem. Cut the head off the snake. That's what I say. Cut the hair off. Cut the head off the snake. That's it.
Starting point is 00:29:01 The rescuers were on the scene immediately and headed straight into the wreckage. They said both the ceilings and the floors were marked by large circles of coagulated blood, each circle marking a human being that had been crushed by the falling concrete slabs. No one deserves to die that way. That's for sure. One woman who fell five stories survived but was trapped and kept her composure by squeezing the severed hands of one of the other victims, saying it made her feel oddly comforted while waiting to be set free.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Oh my god. It was the only thing she had. Interesting, yeah. If she was the last podcast in the left fan, she would have called it an Ed Gein stress ball. That's inappropriate. I mean, it's a bit of, it's a bit of dark humor, but that is, I mean, how interesting is this?
Starting point is 00:29:47 What a strange situation. It is. A bit of dark humor. It is. It is. It's a bit of dark humor. It's a bit of a midnight chuckle, as they call it. Yeah, a little midnight chuckle.
Starting point is 00:29:56 But I mean, how, what a strange situation to have to be in and for her to have to experience that is really, you know. And she said she knew that she had reached out. She was trapped under rubble and she reached out and found someone else's hand and started screaming and started squeezing it and looked over that, you know, and saw that the hand was attached to nothing else. And she said that she didn't particularly care at the time. She said she just, she needed something to hold on to.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Because that was another thing that some of the survivors inside said, they said while they were waiting to be rescued, they said it wasn't like an action movie where you've got like hissing pipes and rubble falling and people screaming. They said it was deathly silent in there. Interesting. One of the most tragic stories was that of Dana Bradley. She, accompanied by three members of her family, was at the Social Security office to get her son a Social Security card that day, her brand new baby boy.
Starting point is 00:30:52 And when the truck bomb exploded, Dana's mother, daughter, and son were all dead and her sister was badly burned. Dana herself was trapped under the rubble and had to have her leg amputated at the knee with a pocket knife. Oh my goodness. She was so fucked up because they literally had to go to the triage center and they grabbed the only, the ER doctor there was the head of the department that was there at nine o'clock in the morning.
Starting point is 00:31:17 And they grabbed him and they had to do this and he was a very fat man. And they said that he had to struggle his way through. They could barely get through the rubble to get to her in the position. So he was like, he had to do it with his left hand, which was not his strong hand. And all of his scalpels kept breaking because he couldn't also, couldn't use anesthesia on her because her blood pressure was too low. He was afraid that the anesthesia would kill her. So he was a tranquilizer.
Starting point is 00:31:38 She's being like, you're just going to have to deal with this. And we're just going to make good, but I have to keep you still for me to do this. And so it was just him, every break, she was completely motionless screaming. And he used his scalpel. Each one kept breaking until finally he got someone's pocket knife and managed to finally get the last tendon because he had to cut through the worst part of her knee, like the most complicated part. And that is, that's fucking horrible.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Not a, yeah, not a good day for anyone. I mean, this was an active war and that reminds me of a scene out of a hospital from the Civil War. Yeah. I mean, it was just, oh my goodness. Limbs everywhere. Yeah. Dana, along with most of the other trap survivors were down in the basement, which rescuers
Starting point is 00:32:17 dubbed the pit because burst pipes were slowly filling it with freezing cold water, which made the rescue process all the more urgent. It's never good when where you are has been dubbed the pit. Very rarely is that like, oh, that means we're having a better time than other people. Unless you're at the People's Improv Theater on 29th Street in New York City, the pit, where you could get cheap improv classes and even cheaper comedy shows. That's right. And it was incredibly dangerous to be in there as well.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Well, one thing also interesting and the first wave of looking for survivors is that there was all this money everywhere because the ATF offices, like their evidence room blew up. So money and guns are everywhere and these confused officers are running around like trying to save people, but also just picking up just handfuls of cash. And eventually, like the commanders had to say, leave the fucking money. We're getting these people. It was very complicated.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Yeah, just a surreal scene. Yeah, absolutely. Now, after the two week rescue attempt was over, only a handful of people have been saved from the rubble. And predictably, just like with the construction of the World Trade Center, most of these deaths could have been prevented for just a few dollars more. All right. The columns of the Alfred P. Muir building were reinforced with rebar.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Had the building used hoop steel instead, a change that would have accounted for one eighth of 1% of the construction budget, the building would not have collapsed, which is how the majority of the lives were lost. Had the government spent just $18,000 more on this contract, no more than 20 people would have died as opposed to 168. The government, they probably did this under the guise of cutting the budget, but then in re- That's exactly what they did.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Yeah. Because the whole point is that the reason why they wanted to use hoop steel, because that was earthquake-proofing, the buildings. And they were like, oh, there's hardly any earthquakes here. And also, they didn't want to make it some big, oppressive government building because you had HUD there and you had the Social Security Office. So they wanted it to be this kind of friendly place. And the reason why now all buildings, like if you try to go into the new World Trade
Starting point is 00:34:25 Center, if you try to go in there, you are frisked, treated like a criminal as you go in there because that's, this is why now, because now every government building has to be completely made to this specific code. And also the idea that you could even get a van that close to the building is really insane. Yeah. It's absolutely insane that he was allowed to park right up in front of it, not just right up in front of it, but right below the daycare center.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Because the daycare center was directly above where Timothy McVeigh parked the rider truck. And in fact, when he got out of the truck, he would have been able to look up and see kids' drawings in the window of that building. So you think that he knew it was a daycare center? Yeah, absolutely. He did. He cased the building before. They said that he came in weeks before.
Starting point is 00:35:09 We'll go into the next episode, but he came in asking about the back entrances to the daycare and was very interested in how many people were there. And also, there was a controversial change of management of the daycare that caused a lot of people to not bring in their kids that day, which is very interesting too, is that a lot more kids could have died, but the woman that everybody loved had just left. And they had a new boss there, like a new runner of the daycare, and they didn't trust that person. So a lot of people didn't bring their kids.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Yeah. It was just a stroke of luck that that worked out that way. And furthermore, the Mura building only had one guard on duty at any one time. And the building was actually left totally unguarded for five hours a day. Now, while there was no possibility that McVeigh knew of the structural weaknesses, he sure as hell knew about the holes in security and chose Oklahoma City over buildings in Omaha and Dallas, partly because of that. Because the people in Omaha and Dallas, you weren't able to drive a truck right up to
Starting point is 00:36:08 the front entrance of it. I gotta say, the only way that it would be acceptable for the Mura building to have one security guard is if that security guard was the dad from Family Matters, because you know he would have done a great job protecting that building. I'm getting too old for this shit. I mean, just taking a shit. And while most people around the world were flabbergasted that this happened in Oklahoma City of all places, local law enforcement officials knew that something like this could
Starting point is 00:36:32 happen and, to their credit, tried to prevent it. The local head of the Federal Protective Services, whose whole job is to protect places like the Mura building, put together a detailed report outlining each and every one of the Mura building's vulnerabilities. But his bosses wanted to keep the building as, quote, a place where people wanted to do business. They said that terrorism was something that just didn't happen in America and ordered the agent to change his report.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Well, apparently he also did not build up goodwill amongst his bosses, because he'd been harping on this for a long time, and they all just thought he was really fucking annoying. And at some point, he finally just rode him off. But I do understand if you are a person in a pre-Oklahoma City bombing world, or a pre-911 world, you do want people to feel comfortable. And it was what happened after Columbine when it came to hardening high schools, making them hard targets for people to attack.
Starting point is 00:37:28 I understand the perspective of the people who were running this building to make it a family-friendly environment that wasn't militant. Absolutely. Well, there's a middle ground, though. Yeah. There's absolutely a middle ground between frisking people as they go inside to get a driver's license and leaving an entire front entrance completely open. I agree.
Starting point is 00:37:49 And the security cameras were fake. They weren't connected to anything. So there was no footage of the actual bombing. I will say at least one Dwight Schrute a year saves 50 people. Oh, Dwight was in that office, really. He complains about how the line of the Chipotle is too long. That's it. But he will maybe save you.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Yeah. It reminds me of Wayne's World, where he's at the video shoots like, there is no film in this camera. But then, of course, there is. But again, that also plays into the conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theorists were just allowed to fill so many pockets of information that weren't filled by reports and cameras. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:28 Stop saying holes. Holes! Holes! And this is another thing that played into the conspiracy theorists. The conspiracy theorists' ideas that something was being covered up here, because this agent who put out this report that the mirror building was vulnerable to an attack, he did change his report, his official report. He changed it.
Starting point is 00:38:51 And when the bombing happened, his bosses made damn sure he wasn't anywhere near Oklahoma City because shit, he might have talked to the press. He might have said something like, yeah, I told him that this was unsafe. I told him that something like this could happen. But they ended up shifting him from building to, or from agency to agency to agency. And they did that with a lot of people around Oklahoma City. People were being shifted all around to cover up incompetence. Well, that's the interesting thing.
Starting point is 00:39:17 And I know we'll get into this a little bit more in the future. When it comes to, in the future episodes, when it comes to conspiracy theories, oftentimes they think the government has like, you know, total competence, competence enough to actually perpetrate an act like this. In reality, like you just said, it's the incompetence of the government that allows these things to happen. I could work at the ATF. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:39:35 I could go and apply for a job at the government. There are men like me out there that are working for the government that don't know what they're doing. Which is not shocking anybody. They should be actors. They should be performers. They should be at a cubicle. So that's the thing about the United States government is that it is full of absolutely
Starting point is 00:40:00 competent and not just competent heroes. People who deserve to be in those positions of power that are there to help people. They're there because they don't want people to die. But government is also, it's a human institution. So it's going to be filled with a lot of people who are neglectful fuck ups that don't necessarily give a fuck about anybody else besides their own ass. So let's get back to this. There were people in this story that did really good jobs.
Starting point is 00:40:24 They just kind of got silenced after the fact because there were people deep within. We're going to get into the white supremacist movement. The people that knew that this shit was coming and were saying like, hey, they are preparing for something. There was a lot of buzz. It was the same thing before 9-11. So there's a lot of reports coming out saying like, there's a lot of bustling happening. I don't know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:40:44 And it's just what information they choose to act on. Right. All right. So Timothy, where are we at now? We're right now. He's in his pastel car. Yeah, absolutely. So when the hunt for suspects began, America looked first to the Middle East, which was
Starting point is 00:40:59 actually pretty logical at the time because Ramsey Youssef, the mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing that had just happened a year before Oklahoma City, he'd just been apprehended. And the jihadist groups, of course, had promised swift retaliation. And really, it was the only explanation that we had that made any sense to us because shit like this didn't happen in America. And if it did, it was always someone from somewhere else who was the perpetrator. I remember when this happened, because I grew up pretty close to Oklahoma City.
Starting point is 00:41:30 And I remember coming in to my parents' work, and they were watching it on the TV that day, and were absolutely shocked that anything like this could happen. And I remember when Timothy McVeigh was captured, it was a look of pain on their face. You looked like somebody, everyone had it, someone who looked like Timothy McVeigh in their hometown. Yeah, you know? Yeah, like a dipshit. Yeah, that's basically it.
Starting point is 00:41:56 The kind of guy that you talk bad about behind his back, but in front of his face, you're visibly terrified. Tim! Well, that was interesting. Tim, no, we're not having a barbecue this Sunday, so wait, no, you heard about it. You don't want to hear about the coming revolution. Also, I'll bring coleslaw. Like the Patriot movement, it's like the multiplicity clone of the Nazi movement.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Literally it's a bunch of idiots that Goebbels would have spit on if he had met. But during the investigation, it wasn't long before someone remembered the date. April 19th, two years to the day after the siege at Waco, had come to a deadly and fiery end. But that was Bob Ricks, the head of the FBI in Oklahoma, who technically should have been in charge of the investigation, but we're going to find out there was a lot of corruption with who was in being put in charge, but he understood as soon as he saw it popped, he was like, they're sitting in the office and he was like, this is the second year anniversary
Starting point is 00:42:52 of Waco. And they were like, oh, shit, like because he knew that this was coming and then we're going to talk about that they knew that there were a bunch of people pissed off about Ruby Ridge and that Waco got so much attention being like, of course, it's what 420 is now. It's what we talked about with Columbine and we did that whole episode. Not the weed holiday, not the weed holiday. Is it legalized weed? Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Man, if you guys just had fucking weed, man, I don't think Timothy McVeigh would have done good. He would have been bad on weed. He actually tried weed and meth for a brief period. It wasn't for him. He did a lot of math. Apparently that was one of the things that the fuel up to the building of the bomb is at him.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And he was trying. McVeigh was trying to get Nichols into meth. McVeigh had been up for days leading up to here, which probably is why he fucked up with the license plate, which we'll get into. We'll get into it. The FBI, they drew up a little profile, the behavioral sciences unit drew something up. They said the perpetrator would be a white male with military experience who was angry about Ruby Ridge and Waco described him perfectly.
Starting point is 00:43:53 And from then on, the attack was what the FBI referred to as a quote, bubba job, which used to be the term for when you blow yourself with a dead fish on a boat with your buddy. Watch it. He thought you come yet. That's a bubba job. Huh? Well, isn't that wild? So moments after the bomb went off, McVeigh hopped into his mercury marquee, but he couldn't
Starting point is 00:44:16 get the car to start because he bought a $300 car. He tried again and again to get the engine to turn over until finally it started and he sped away. But McVeigh had either forgotten or had purposely left something important off his car. McVeigh, who had just murdered 168 people, was driving down the road without any license plates on his car. It is ridiculous. It reminds me of that Ted Bundy quote where it's like after the 20th kill, you forget
Starting point is 00:44:45 where you put your wrench or something like that, but it's just so strange to me that he would make this mistake on accident. It seems like this was a purposeful decision to get caught because he wanted to be a martyr, right? It's possible. So a state trooper named Charles Hanger noticed this about 60 miles north of Oklahoma City and pulled McVeigh over. And when McVeigh got out of the car, the officer noticed a bulge in McVeigh's jacket when the
Starting point is 00:45:10 officer reached inside, he found a handgun, and Timothy McVeigh was arrested for the first time in his life for the unlawful carrying of a firearm. But the funny thing was, Hanger had no idea who he had handcuffed in the back of his cop car. But there was a clue. When McVeigh was arrested, he was wearing his favorite t-shirt that he wore special for that day. On the front was a picture of Abraham Lincoln with the words, Six Simper Tyrannus, thus ever
Starting point is 00:45:39 to tyrants printed underneath. These were the words that John Wilkes Booth had screamed after shooting Lincoln in the head. Six Simper Tyrannus? Mm-hmm. But I will say Six Simper Tyrannum was also made famous by the Sondheim musical Assassins. The John Wilkes Booth has a wonderful solo in, and I love it. I sing it alone all the time.
Starting point is 00:45:59 My brother was in the play, Assassin's in College. I got to see it. Yes, he was a very tall, tall person in the play. The back of the shirt was a picture of a tree featuring a quote from Thomas Jefferson that said, The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. But not mine, certainly not mine.
Starting point is 00:46:23 I own my girlfriend. Did you know? Just the world's, the world's like the worst farmer, and be like, what are you putting on the crops there? Human blood! The blood of patriots and tyrants! She was killing all the trees, maybe I got this wrong. Now I checked online, and you can still get your very own Six Simper Tyrannus shirt, but
Starting point is 00:46:43 now instead of just a boring old tree, you can get one with a sexy lady on it instead. Oh wow. Oh yeah, just go to Gadsden and Culpeppers, American Heritage Shop, the official Don't Tread on Me outfitter. A sexy lady just like Abraham Lincoln, loved, he loved sexy ladies. I'm going to go home and have sex with the first lady. I can't wait to go shopping there because the sound hood I'm wearing currently is very warm.
Starting point is 00:47:10 And I think that they probably have a whole collection of very breezy hoods for me to wear with face holes cut out perfectly for hiding sound. You could also buy a deck of cars with girls in swimsuits holding guns, you know it's called what? Guns and buns? Guns and buns. Wow. I also want to be reminded that I'm lonely.
Starting point is 00:47:31 I only like hot babes on my playing cards. Yeah, I love being vaguely hard while I'm playing cards. Me and my buddies, sometimes my father is there. Oh, the sexual fetish of guns is so weird to me, but that's a whole other thing. Well of course it is, they're penises with bullets in it. Think about it, if you could make your semen hard, that would be so much fun, go bing-de-ding-dong, bing-de-ding-dong. Like off like different surfaces in your house, like a little BB gun.
Starting point is 00:47:58 I think it's best that doesn't happen. So it wouldn't take authorities long to catch up to Timothy McVeigh. The first break came when the rear axle of the rider truck was found two blocks away, the same one that almost took the heads off the family huddled in their car for safety. The axle had a VIN number stamped on it, which was traced to a place called Elliott's Body Shop in Junction City, Kansas. When they checked the paperwork, they found that the truck had been rented to a man named Robert Kling, one of McVeigh's aliases.
Starting point is 00:48:30 But when the Body Shop employees were interviewed, they found that McVeigh may not have been alone when he rented it. This claim has become one of the most contentious points in the whole Oklahoma City saga. Sketches were done of both men, with the first one undoubtedly being of McVeigh's square-headed, possum sourpuss. He really is such a sourpuss. He does not smile. He's a tight-faced, little, fucking prick.
Starting point is 00:48:56 But you know for a fact, it would be just like that couple who were laughing, furiously laughing, and I looked over, this is on the airplane, and they were watching Frasier. I have a feeling, Timothy McVeigh would be like, I don't like comedy, but Frasier, he gets me every time. But the other sketch was of a heavy-set man in a Carolina Panthers cap with olive skin. That man to this day is still known as John Doe Number Two, who we'll get into on the next episode. Either way, the sketches were taken from door-to-door in Junction City until finally a woman who
Starting point is 00:49:32 worked at a local motel called Dreamland recognized sketch number one. You look like you want to say something about Dreamland. Dreamland? No, it's just like, we got rooms, you can rent them by the hour, or you can rent them by the half hour. That's it. There's just some kind of Dreamland. Obviously, it's obviously not a place, like they must have been stunned, we was like,
Starting point is 00:49:51 I'll spend the night, the night, sir, we've never had someone spend the night here at Dreamland. Wait a second, are you a millionaire? You just have nothing to lose. When they checked the register, they found the name Timothy McVeigh, they also found that- What a fucking idiot. He used his real name, he's just such a, he's just, the idea that he could do anything
Starting point is 00:50:15 alone, we'll talk about this, but it's just, he's so fucking square headed and stupid. I literally think he ran out of creative juices. He's like, wow, what's an alias, I already did Robert Kling, Timothy McVeigh, that's my name. Richard Kling, Richard Gronk, Richard Krink, what about Timothy McVeigh, that's my name. I never understand people having a hard time coming up with fake names. I could come up with fake names all day long, Jim Anderson, Jim Sanderson, Jim Randerson, John Anderson, John Anderson, you just keep coming up with names.
Starting point is 00:50:49 Robert Vimbo, Mr. Robert Bing Bong, my name is Horatio Fernandez, my name is Horatio Fernandez. Immediately, I just jumped into character, but that's as a character comedian. Yes, that's true, I don't think that Timothy McVeigh had the improv or the sketch abilities. No, he would have really not done well at just for laughs in Montreal. No, definitely not They also found that McVeigh had listed his address as a farm in Michigan, which belonged to the brother of Terry Nichols McVeigh's possible lone conspirator in the official version of the events And while agents went to check out the farm a computer check was run on the name Timothy McVeigh and his recent arrest in Oklahoma Less than an hour and a half after the bombing the previous Wednesday showed up
Starting point is 00:51:40 Lucky for them the judge who was meant to see McVeigh that Thursday had a full schedule And so McVeigh's bail hearing was pushed to Friday. Had that not happened McVeigh would have been set free And who knows how long it would have taken to find him or what McVeigh would have done in the meantime Well, it would have been another ruby ridge situation You know, it would have been a wake-o-esque standoff that would have led to a horrible horrific events with god knows Like you just said how many other people would have died unless he had a place to go And it was set up and he was supposed to go and meet up with a network of people that were supposed to hide him
Starting point is 00:52:17 Which is a theory that they've done that before they took criminals There was a whole criminal underground that we're going to get into in the next episode We'll get into it, but thankfully McVeigh was arrested again and charged with the bombing. So now We've got some questions to answer number one Who was Timothy McVeigh a fuckface Those are the quick answers
Starting point is 00:52:40 Bad speaker bad lover Maybe a good friend I don't think he was a good friend. I think it was a very pushy mean friend. Um, he was a very bad lover He did not do well with the ladies at all the the best that he ever did. I wouldn't have guessed I know this is stunning revelations from last podcast on the left Timothy McVeigh Timothy McVeigh bad and bad Do you think that he maybe was bad at comelingus? I think he was bad about everything. The best he ever did was after the gulf war right after he got back
Starting point is 00:53:10 He tried a line on a girl walked up to a girl at bars to hey Do you need do you need a special license to wear that outfit? I'm gonna go talk to another man not you you freak. Why are you here? Kill all the women Kill all the women. They don't get my charm I'm the most charming man in the world him and elliot rogers start hanging out exactly number two How did he get to this point? He's an idiot gullible. Um, he had no skills
Starting point is 00:53:43 He was destroyed by the war. We'll get to the short answers. I like no I've enjoyed Henry's quick hot takes on it and number three Who else was involved? Yes. I tell you what? I certainly hope it's not big word from sesame street because that was the last Honest thing that was like the last good thing mr. Him and mr. Rogers if mr. Rogers shows up somewhere in this investigation I'm gonna be very upset. Absolutely. No, those are those are great questions And we're gonna answer those on the next episode because I mean that's how we find That's how we avoid these future acts. Uh, you know going forward here
Starting point is 00:54:16 We have to find the root problem and that's what we talked about on top head as well in this last episode these it's so, uh, it's so, um contentious right now and it is social media driven and it's it's interesting to see these people Or we just continue doing what we've always done and what we will continue to do which is ignore the problem Let it grow like a cancer or bellies until it destroys the entire country, which I think at this point It's like I mean it's gonna happen. So let's just have fun with it. Well, let's not let's try to avoid At all cost we could all try to avoid this. Well, we can see with with Oklahoma City and The the kind of gun show culture that was going on in in the 90s and in the 80s Uh with you know these you can see you can trace a line
Starting point is 00:54:58 From what's going on now with both sides way back to the 80s and 90s like oh, you know When people say like how did the country get so divided all of a sudden all of a sudden? Yeah, all of a sudden are you fucking kidding me? This this is shit that has been bubbling for decades And timothy mcbay is right in the middle of all of it And I think one thing that could save us honestly is that a quote unquote right now if it's true The patriot movement technically has their president They have it now you got a couple of real white supremacists that are in the white house that are they're a part of making policy And so they're watching them fuck it up and it's kind of fun because I think it's gonna take
Starting point is 00:55:36 The steam out of their fucking ship a little bit realizing now you guys got the job and you're not doing it right They they love what they're doing. So that's that's kind of the sad truth. Yeah. Yeah, there are different perspectives Henry There are more than one. Yeah, they're there. They're actually they're actually extremely happy with what's going on right now They have they have never been happier in their entire. Oh my goodness. Um, all right. Well, that's episode one Oklahoma city we got a lot more to get to a lot to cover with this story Um, it's an intense one and I think more relevant uh than ever uh really with our current times And let's take a look at these domestic terrorists And we got to nip it in the bud before we have another act uh like this
Starting point is 00:56:12 Yeah, with that today. Yeah, anybody else if you meet anybody that gives you the Turner diaries you got to run They are not your friends. They're not your friend. It's not about Tina Turner. It's not fun I'm gonna say we've been called a problematic faith. I'm gonna call the Turner diaries a problematic faith because it is whoo Yeah, I actually don't really want you reading the Turner diaries to be fair because you've sort of adopted some Scientology lingo And you do kind of absorb everything. This is different. I just I'm reading a Turner diaries on my computer and look up in the mirror And see me dressed as Gary literally as the white devil reading this book and who yeah controversial All right, and check out your pretty face is going to hell of course. Yeah. All right everyone. Thank you so much for listening
Starting point is 00:56:56 Let's see we got to do uh Patreon thank everyone so much for donating to the patreon. You're the only reason uh that we can do this and travel all around and do the live shows I want to thank everybody in indianapolis. We had an incredible time at crime con Oh, crime. That was great. So fun. So we'll definitely whenever we're invited. We will be there uh for crime I hope anyway It was fun to see that crime con We were surprised that it was sponsored by oxygen and I thought I thought it was great and also most of crime con Was the little ladies from the keepers. Oh, yes
Starting point is 00:57:25 Like tiny old ladies. There was one adorable lady who cared because we were selling t-shirts one adorable ladies Is like I don't know what you boys do but Are you interested in a cold case? Oh Please she pulls it. Oh good and pulls out her little folder and gives me this one sheet that has all of the information about Her pet cold case on it. I found this knife in the gut of a dead girl, ma'am. I don't know ma'am Did you kill her ma'am? Yes Uh, no, that was unbelievable. What a fun uh group of people
Starting point is 00:58:00 Yeah, and everyone could come together and not feel weird and you know, that's that's always so great And great to meet a lot of our uh fellow podcasters out there. Uh, you guys are awesome It's cool to see there's like a little uh true crime podcast community out there Absolutely, and we want to thank uh everyone that came out to high five the venue. That was it was incredibly high five That was one of my favorite shows ever love it Also, the crime con had such a funny thing of like a fake chalk outline of a victim Oh, I know old ladies are up there taking pictures. I mean like don't you fantasize about this. You're the victim I walked by the sad thing is I walked by it and I was like I'm too big to be the victim
Starting point is 00:58:35 And we saw sniffer dogs cadaver dogs, which are so cute, but I say give them a break You know let them clock out, but they were incredible. They were they get they liked it. They bounded around when they ran But then it's like when they do achieve like their great accomplishment. It's just a dead body. They have to find Give them a pizza and they're laughing and just they're wagging their tail like Uh Udelated corpse Also felt a bit nervous being like I had weed. I didn't even realize that I had weed in my pocket when we walked into the drug dogs Say no, oh
Starting point is 00:59:07 Fuck there's a how did Henry die drug dogs. They took him down Oh, Henry those were cadaver dogs. You were fine Yeah, Marcus is the one with the human thumb in his pocket. I don't have tongue human don't I don't know don't have have. You don't have. No. All right, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. Let's see Patreon. We got to thank everyone for that. Yeah. Thanks everyone for giving our Patreon. If you feel like we deserve a little bit of cash for what we do here, you can go and give at patreon.com slash last podcast on the left. You give just a dollar. You get advanced ticket sales to all of our upcoming shows. We've got a lot of shows that we're about
Starting point is 00:59:47 to announce here in just the next couple of days. So go follow us on Twitter to see when we announce those. That's right. And the Twitter is at LP on the left. You can find Henry on Twitter at Henry loves you. Dr. Fantasty on Instagram. Marcus sparks is Marcus sparks for everything. I'm Ben kissle and Ben kissle one on Instagram. Yeah. So fucking check out your bullshit. Hail Satan and fucking try and just cut your rage. Don't don't plan a terrorist attack. I say write a book. Do something else. Have fun with you. No play a song. Play a song. Right. Right. Right. A wonderful, you know, poem. Make your own kind of music. That's what I've even if nobody else sings along. That's the set. That is what people
Starting point is 01:00:27 do on the train in a regular basis. That's not a special song. Thanks for supporting all the shows here at CCR. Hail yourselves. Hail me. And I'm a ghost. All right, it's time for Patreon. Shout outs. Thanks everyone who donated. Hail yourselves. Magus Dalatians. You're all the best. Shout out away from Patreon. All right. You guys are the only reason we exist and we all love you very much. Okay, I will begin reading some names. Daniel Gorman. Thank you so much, Daniel. Thomas Barton. Pat Brown. Damon Tang. Daniel Kersaik. Kersaik. Kersaik. Daniel Kersaik. Sounds like a good military man. Kersaik. Kersaik. Kersaik. Get in here, Kersaik. Gosh, darn it. I've done something that was... Oh, no. I've dropped
Starting point is 01:01:18 the mortar. Not good. Matt Kelly. Justin Brickard. Ryan Jones. Katie Aldol Welch. Thomas Lowellin. Lowellin. I feel like I've read that one before. Thomas Lowellin. Lowellin. Lowellin. Also a very fun name. Tristan Tate. Vladmer. Oh my goodness. Marcus, this one's Russian. You have to read it. Vladmer Vajnavik? Vajnavik? I think it's Vajnavik. Vladmer Vajnavik. Vladmer Voznovik. Cool. Thank you, buddy. You're welcome. Yeah, dude. We have a bunch of Russians staying in the building where I'm staying here and it makes me very paranoid because I don't know if they're going to send my secrets. Are you taking my secrets? If they took your secrets, they would be the dumbest people in Russia when they go back.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Chase Griffin. Handel Plotkin. Brie Howard. Thomas Edward. Ben Polovsky. Lindsay Aramo. Corinne Brandenburg. Melissa Nottingham. And Honor Mayro has kind of cut off there. I believe it's Honor Mayer. T.J. Hara. Holly Hudson. Torsten Neusenberg. Frankie. Courtney Cochran. Hello. Hello. Ainsley Ezra. Clinton Hallehan. Neum, who I believe is our friend that we met in Glasgow, who is from Scotland. It's good to see you. Brandon Rowland. Sarah McGuire. I got Daniel Shepley. Tina Pettis. Na Calar. It's N-A-A. Na Calar. Can we trust you? Damn you, Kirk. Damn you, Kirk. Kellan R. Adachi. Byron Carlisle. Tony Stark. Really? Tony Stark. You better have given us more than a dollar. That billion-
Starting point is 01:03:07 Iron Man. It's Iron Man. I'm a big fan of Last Podcast on the left. I listen to it in my suit every day. Danielle Rosler. Johannes van Velsen. Johannes van Velsen. Kiki Adiranti. Gabriel Laplace. Albie. Ellie Skipper. Andrew Turkick. I think it's Turkick. Alex Cantrell. Christopher Wormald. Megan DeLeon. DeLeon. DeLeon. Mitch Wheeler. Kenny Shackleford. Lindsay Dapp. Jessica. And T.J. Hara. Thank you all so much. Okay. I've got a fella. His name is Evan Bourbon, which is kind of fun. Bourbon, which I like. Evan Bourbon. Chelsea Stumpf. Annie Athezia Mapes. Anathasia Mapes. I love that name. Anathasia, if I'm saying it remotely close to right. I like that name. Kevin L. Gouch. Audrey Lewis. Mike Horanda.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Jane Andraka. Ian Price. Hillary Leann. Hillary Leann? I believe it's Hillary Leann. Tristan Powers. Christina Lindsay. Marissa Smith. Blake Bonafide. Daniel Zach. Amel Majaris. I believe it's Amel Majaris. Laura Abraham. Preston Snow. Lo Grant. Michael Newtine. Caitlyn Handley. Nika Mora. Niko Mora. I feel like Oprah. I want to give them all cars. You get a car. You get a car. Story and David Michelangelo. Caitlyn Osslman. Ian Palladze. Simon Pekas. Alex Diebal. Jesse Chandler. Alex Jandria Scott. Michelle O'Paert. Treby. Nick Morris. Jennifer Siefing. Zach Donahoe. Ryan Reynolds. We got the Green Lantern and Iron Man listening to the show. He's better
Starting point is 01:05:00 as Deadpool. Yeah He will always be my Green Lantern Fine Reynolds, will you please come and take me out of this? He's just come and just save me. I'll do anything. I'll lick up your come on on your wife If you want to Towel if you could be the chubby ride sidekick to Ryan Reynolds in a superhero movie you'd be set please
Starting point is 01:05:27 Make it happen Ryan Reynolds Nick Aldridge Jared Hoon Alice Ante Benjamin Weisberg Angela Cortese Dominic Dagestino Kimberly and Angela Houser I got Jameson Paulson Brock Bender Stewart Browning Sergio the French Stewart victim the French Stewart killer Oh Randy Gates Shauna Lawler Michael Meyer
Starting point is 01:06:01 Rebecca Anderson Jake Savannah Wells MJ Hall Peter Baker John Romero ash Lee It is I like that. Oh, yeah, Craig Allen Ethan Swice. Good. All right Jonas missing a show in Sweden Nielsen. Oh, okay I guess he wants us to do a show in Sweden. Okay. Well, I'd love to go to Sweden I'm gonna go to Sweden. I love Sweden. I'm gonna go to Sweden. Please. That's my that's my accent of it Trevor Hine and Favour.com Alright Favour.com. Thank you so much Alex. I got Alex guitar as guitar as Alex guitar as Dalton Wirtman
Starting point is 01:06:44 George Lucas. I can't make this stop up I really get him to I don't know. I'm a really big fan of last podcast on the left I just have to say that all of you were I'm big fans. Did you make Jar Jar banks exist? I love him. He's I think he's you know what I like Jar Jar banks too I'm just gonna say it and I said it yesterday. It's Cody Island and people Jar Jar banks was really our way of getting a Rastafarian man as racistly as possible into the Star Wars They were like they're like we need to diversify this cast like we could cast an Asian person or maybe an African American Look, I got it. I got an idea. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:07:17 Is it due to Custa Asian a person? I'm down to a Jedi I'm not even I know he's doing it I know That was the characters of the day The Federation George Lucas, thank you. Lacey Shwindenhammer. I love that name Shwindenhammer Lacey Chloe Rush
Starting point is 01:07:37 Kier Nathan Jumbo Jet Timmins Zane Diltz Loresa DeMarco Katie Fitch UKHC Gina Forte James Kakarok Coco Rickus Coco Rickus James Coco Rickus. I like that Coco Rickus Andrew Robinson Aaron Thomas Hector true Julo true true. I'm just gonna show you Oh true here true here. Let me see it Hector true here right there. Yeah. Yeah through through here Hector He'll how do you roll the uh, he'll just have That is we attempting to do anything that is not Midwestern Hector true Julio, what ever? Henry you're holding Marcus you said Kevin love it Janine Katie Robinson Adam Murphy and Sarah Blum. Thank you so much Now I will say this if you are looking for a fake name
Starting point is 01:08:34 This is a very easy way to get one you listen to the patreon shout outs and just choose one Emily Reed Robert Jordan Lena way Whanburg. It's got an umlaut on it. We had him we had him beer Christina Carl's Brian Houghton Robert John Perry the fourth Wow God one of the co-conspirators with Timothy McVeck Daniel Pugliesi Brandon Nunez Dan Bunyan Chad Williford chance Kennedy. I am chance Kennedy and this is your action sports. Oh my god Bobby Bonilla
Starting point is 01:09:13 That is your only sports reference to this day Wait, Bobby Bonilla gives to our patreon. What? No, that would be amazing. We got Okay, please do Michael Brown Matthew McDowell Margaret McMillan Alyssa Karris and a Cox Parker Joseph Cistarek Emily Fishman Matthew Schmidt. Thank you for your money. I Got Madison Rose Char Scott Ryan
Starting point is 01:09:44 Christophe Kubicki Lucy Warman Eric Taylor Bailey collage Stephanie Zell's Tyler Haas Christopher Hubbard Jill Citrone Margarita Sanders Like Margarita Sanders In an intervention right now for her alcoholism like it was a cute name for a while that she legally changed her name to Margarita Oh, I love the drink, and I like the politics Carolina Wendy picnic I
Starting point is 01:10:19 Hope that's a real last name We're from a long line of Wendy picnics. This is Ted Wendy picnic. I'm Robert Wendy picnic Samantha Wendy picnic Deanna gonna say that's a bummer. What's worse than a Wendy picnic? He got chips going everywhere. Oh, that's true Deanna Gordon Carl Tewel Cole Geisman Emma Murray Stefan Stephen Hendrickson Diana Masoner Victor Lopez and Aaron Jacobson. All right. I got one more list here We got Patricia Jurgalette your Ursula Juggalette. No Jurgalette j u r g e l e i t Jurgalette Patricia Ursula Sackowitz
Starting point is 01:11:00 Denise Ball Bay Holt Denise Ball Bay Holt and a baddorf and a baddorf Daniel Perez David Moore Connor Peter Jeffreys Simon Simon Dowd Ali Kaluzny Morgan goats John Rogan Serena Jason Aqua Viva Aqua Viva. That's amazing Jason Aqua Viva Athens Taktak Amanda talk or talk Daniel Ponzi oh Matt and Thulsner Matt and Thulsner ladies and gentlemen Pascal Labante Cloutierre Cloutierre Cloutierre Cloutierre. Oh, this one. Oh, this is more of a statement Miranda, I think you guys are all sexy Ben Kissel. I'll wet your whistle PSL
Starting point is 01:11:49 MDR, I think we lost a little bit, but that's nice there Ken Thompson and Sonia Christensen Uh to round it up. I got Alicia Dirick Kristen Crowley Kyle Brannon Jonathan Trampour Mandy Bowles Heather Butler Emma Cozy Amy Braun Amber Utley Dee Erdine Renee Rafat Greg Jamie Peterson Allie Latrell Katie Kathy Shriver Chris Baum BK Jenkins Adam Stereha Chris Lewis Dominique Connoisselli, okay, and Joe Klein Volta Rink. Thank you all so much You're the only reason this has been made possible and we love you. Give me more of your money
Starting point is 01:12:38 Don't demand it. Don't demand it. Trust me. Trust me with your money. I will be over trust you with their money What is what's the best thing that you spent money on Henry? Hmm the sound hood the sound hood that I'm currently in work that works for the show Okay, if I can give everyone a little bit, you know if I could tell them what I spend my money on I Was able to get in visa line this week. He did. He's his teeth are fucking horrible You're gonna lose that It's gonna be great. You're gonna have so much pain. I've been waiting. I got an email from my Dentist that they were doing half off and visa line this week and I said, you know what the patreon money
Starting point is 01:13:14 Has allowed me to do this. So I'm gonna get my teeth fixed That's amazing. You're gonna hear me talk about that for the next year. Can't wait to hear you talk about teeth Honestly, I'm looking forward to you being well and being happy and being fulfilled That's right. Hey as as we say to with all of you as well. Hail yourselves. Hail satan Hail again. Well, just tell me. Oh my god selection to a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit Give me your money. Oh, give it to me. My goose deletions. Oh

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