Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 274: Oklahoma City Part I - The Day
Episode Date: June 20, 2017On the first of a multi-part series on the Oklahoma City bombing, we cover the events of April 19th, 1995, in which a domestic terrorist named Timothy McVeigh parked a 7000 lb truck bomb in front of a... federal building in Oklahoma City, OK and detonated it, killing 168 people and injuring over 800. The Show Must Be Go Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Private Eye Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under
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Oklahoma where the wind comes down planes.
It's not going to be as fun as the musical.
No, it's definitely not.
So today we're going to be talking about Oklahoma City.
Of course, the bombing that occurred in 1995.
Extremely heavy topic.
But once again, Marcus and H-Bone, I think there's some crack research in here and a
lot of information that's going to be enlightening to our audience.
So on April 19th, 1995, a conspiracy-minded Gulf War vet named Timothy McVeigh parked
a 7,000 pound ammonium nitrate fuel bomb loaded on a yellow rider moving truck in front of
the Alfred P. Mira federal building in downtown Oklahoma City.
When all was said and done after the bomb was detonated, 168 people were dead and over
800 were injured.
And honestly, that's his biggest crime.
His second biggest crime is owning that neon yellow mercury.
Oh my God.
It's a pastel yellow, all right.
We'll get into some of his interesting car choices to say the least.
Although I will say in this episode, no yacht, which that's kind of a big deal.
It's Oklahoma.
It's landlocked.
Oh, OK.
Now, according to McVeigh, this act of domestic terror was done in part as retaliation for
the siege at the Mount Carmel compound in Waco, Texas, the climax of which came two years
to the day before the Oklahoma City bombing.
For those of you who don't know, the Waco siege involved a cult named the Branch Davidians.
The Davidians were stockpiling various weapons.
The ATF got wind.
They decided to raid the place and fucked up the entire operation spectacular.
Now, I will say I do not support what the federal government did regarding Waco or we'll
get into Ruby Ridge.
But Janet Reno was played perfectly by Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live.
And so that is a bright side.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And the Branch Davidians were not good.
No.
They did not do good things.
No.
But the ATF fucked up everything.
And we're going to see that they're going to fuck up a lot more as the time goes.
And I don't know why, because it seems like a very sensitive place.
It seems like everyone should be really good at their jobs at the ATF.
It seems like they really mess it up.
They bungle.
These are a bunch of bumble butts.
That's true.
Now, at the end of the 51-day Waco siege, 76 Branch Davidians, including 25 children,
had died in a fire set under the direction of cult leader David Koresh as government
agencies stormed the compound in a last-ditch effort to flush out the cult members.
Now, there was a lot of bad shit happening in that compound, not the least of which was
David Koresh's multiple child brides, which would have been totally cool if he had made
Annie Hall first.
This is technically a Woody Allen joke, so we're going to let that pass.
Thank you.
But of course, this is where a lot of the conspiracy theories come in as well.
When it comes to the fire, there's a lot of different videos and stuff.
They're like, you can see them spraying in napalm and those sorts of things, which is
not what they did.
That wasn't what it was.
It was tear gas.
David Koresh set the fires to kill everyone.
There was an audio recording of them saying, like, David said to pour the fuel, right?
Like, yeah, David said to pour the fuel.
Man, I wish we had more.
Yep, yep, I can't wait.
Yeah.
And we'll also get a lot more into those videos that show the flames supposedly coming out
of the tanks in Waco.
That's going to play a huge part in this story, videos and rumors like that.
These conspiracy theories have real life ramifications, and that's what we're talking about here.
They absolutely do, because that's the thing is that the radical right didn't see it that way.
They didn't see it as David Koresh had all these child brides that needed to be free.
And their minds, and specifically in the mind of Timothy McVeigh, Waco was proof that all
the conspiracy theories that have been swirling around gun shows and in pamphlets for years
were finally coming true.
Now, remember honestly, if gun shows weren't so bad, it does sound like a lot of fun.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, if they were like literally like Beverly Hills Cop three, where you just had a really
corky European dude selling you huge weapons, that's fun.
And you have a crime that you have to solve and stuff, but usually it's just people who
want to get an arsenal of guns to protect their families from cows.
Yeah.
Now remember, all this is pre-internet.
If you wanted to get a hold of wacky shit, you had to go out of your way and look for it.
It's a good old days.
Yeah.
You had to really work to be a conspiracy theory theorist back then.
Do you remember the dude that we used to go to in Union Square, the big fat guy with weird
sunglasses at night, and you had to go through his piles of stuff to find the really fucked
up esoteric documentaries about how like Martin Luther King was half Jewish, and he was a
side hit cyborg legs?
Yeah, that was back in the day.
It's a similar thing when weed is legalized.
You no longer have to hang out with the weird guy who just wants to chill for 90 minutes
and you try to get him out of your apartment as quick as possible.
Yeah.
See, conspiracy is about the New World Order coming to take away your guns and subjugate
the American people.
That shit wasn't in your pocket.
Right.
You had to go searching on the fringes for that type of thought.
And Waco wasn't even the beginning for these people as far as the far reaching New World
Order conspiracies went.
Less than a year earlier, the ATF had participated in another huge fuck up in a siege at Ruby
Ridge in Northern Idaho.
I would go as far to say is that Ruby Ridge was a genuinely gigantic fuck up.
Even more so than Waco.
Ruby Ridge was like, they performed almost on a criminal level.
The fact that like, we'll go through it right now.
We'll get into it.
Ruby Ridge was a standoff between the US government and a white supremacist named Randy Weaver,
who was holed up in the cabin with his wife, two kids, and a friend of theirs.
Long story short, by the end of it, Randy's wife and son were dead and ATF agent was dead
and Randy and his friend were wounded.
Well, what the story was with Ruby Ridge is this guy, Randy Weaver, had pretty much been
entrapped into sawing off some barrels off of shotguns and he had a warrant.
By the US government.
By the US government.
They set him up.
This is very standard FBI, ATF procedure.
You just get one, you tell them they're in a very difficult predicament and you flip
them to get all of the leaders.
Randy Weaver was not a leader in the white supremacist movement.
That's why they were using him to get to the big fish.
He refused to go along with the ATF and what the federal government wanted to do.
So they just holed up in their home and it just escalated and every mistake that could
have been made was made and then you have the situation where the death of his son,
the death of his wife, the ATF, the FBI did not realize they shot his wife and they
consistently used him.
They would tell him to just let your wife free and then we can negotiate and he thought
that they were taunting him.
Yeah, he just sat in that house with his dead wife for a week before they finally came
out.
Can you imagine that?
Yeah.
So McVeigh, he used these two incidents to justify his actions.
Here's McVeigh saying that himself.
Who started the war?
Who's the aggressor?
That's how I look at the Murrow bombing.
To me, it wasn't a start of a war, it was a counterattack.
The war had already been started.
You guys think you can be ruthless?
Let's see how you like it when the fight is brought to you.
And go fuck yourself.
Oh my god.
As I say, I say go fuck yourself.
See the appropriate response.
But this really, Ruby Ridge was really amplified as well by this character, Beau Gritz, who
was a big leader in the white supremacist movement, also at the time running for president.
So he took this as a diplomatic opportunity to show what a great diplomatic leader he would
be and he attempted to broker the deal between the family and the FBI.
And he did.
But if you watch the documentary, there's a documentary, great American experience documentary
about Ruby Ridge.
And they interview Beau Gritz.
And man, he is so happy to have been a part of something.
I gotta say, it's an opportunity.
It's just nice to be a part of it.
You know, it's like when I was first, now that I'm on the set of crash and HBO is crashing,
it's a wonderful opportunity.
The official story is that Timothy McVeigh was a lone wolf helped by a man named Terry Nichols,
who said that he went along with it only because McVeigh had threatened both Nichols life and
the life of his family.
But to me, that doesn't make any sense.
If you look at the history of mass murder in America, lone wolves are sick people.
They're guys like Charles Whitman at UT who had a brain tumor or Sung Cho at Virginia Tech
who had more mental problems than we have time to go into here.
And a very strange YouTube account.
My goodness.
Yeah.
I mean, Timothy McVeigh is not writing Richard McBeath.
You should have though.
Honestly though, if he could have just managed to channel his anger into song, the songs
would have been horrible.
At least they would have been songs.
Timothy McVeigh was not sick.
Sure, he no doubt suffered from PTSD from his time in the Gulf War, which we will get into,
but McVeigh was not sick the way Sung Cho was sick.
McVeigh was radicalized.
Absolutely.
He was a part of a gigantic network.
I think he was completely supported.
I'm with you dog meat on that whole front.
He was given a copy of a book called The Turner Diaries that we're going to go into more
deeper detail next episode.
But that book is going to be sort of like the invitation to the Aryan nation that is going
to move people.
This is American ISIS.
It's essentially like people like Lewis Beam who came out and said this idea of leaderless
revolution, of little pods of people doing gigantic horrible violent acts that he hoped
would just happen without a central network.
What's just terrorism?
That is domestic terrorism.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, Tim McVeigh is the definition of domestic terrorism.
He's the poster child of domestic terrorism.
He is the Garth Brooks of domestic terrorism.
Don't bring Garth Brooks into this.
Every time you bring up Garth Brooks, I'm forced to get defensive because the thunder
does roll.
And we have to remember that the thunder rolls.
It's not just a web report, it's also a great song.
You know who was the face of domestic terrorism before this, which is sad that it got bumped?
The kid from Problem Child.
If you really take those movies like a serious crime drama, he was horrible.
Dennis Domenis.
Yeah.
American terrorist.
In this series, we aim to show just how Timothy McVeigh got to this point, how he was inspired
by a white, separatist, quote unquote, patriot movement that still thrives and is defended
to this day and how irrational conspiracy beliefs justified McVeigh's actions to himself.
We also plan to show how it is very possible, if not probable, that there were many more
people involved than just McVeigh and Nichols and how the entire thing, just like 9-11,
six years later, could have been prevented if not for the incompetence and shortsideness
of a few law enforcement officials who weren't listening to what their people were telling
them.
And they were actively fighting one another.
They were in competition with one another, not fighting for the greater good of the American
people, which was what they should be doing.
Yes.
The term shortsideness is the most important thing.
Like yes, they did fuck some things up, but mostly it was about they just wanted to have
the crime be closed.
They wanted the case closed.
They wanted Timothy McVeigh in jail, and that's it.
Because the complicated weaving of getting into how do you shut down Elohim City?
How do you shut down like the CSA?
All these gigantic networks, these white supremacists that were sort of hidden, the white supremacy
part of it just hid the patriot movement.
It's weird how they used all that hate rhetoric to just be like, oh, it's just a bunch of idiots
in the mountains talking about how they hate other races.
But actually they were preparing for a year against the US government.
And again, Ruby Ridge and Waco had happened previously.
The FBI was kind of looking their way.
They didn't want another situation like that.
Or the ATF.
The ATF specifically.
Absolutely not.
And the ATF not wanting another situation like that is partly what led to Oklahoma City.
But again, Janet Reno played by Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live.
That was funny.
That was funny.
But before we get to the life and times of Timothy McVeigh and the movement that at the
very least inspired him, we're going to cover the actual bombing itself.
As we know, a lot of our listeners are either too young to remember or may not have even
been born before April 19, 1995.
God, it makes me so sad.
We just had Joey Fatone on set for your pretty faces going to hell.
It's a bit of a spoiler alert.
Calm down, ladies.
I know.
I thought it up that it's the 20th anniversary of the NSYNC coming together next year.
And I was like, that's horrible.
That's ridiculous.
NSYNC can vote?
Oh, no.
And they were one year away from drinking.
NSYNC's been able to vote for two years.
Oh my God.
That's crazy.
But before we get into it, we have to cite our main sources here.
The first is American Terrorist by Lou Mechel and Dan Herback.
It's the book that was essentially endorsed by McVeigh.
It's where he told his live story, although it still doesn't paint a flattering portrait
of McVeigh.
This guy was the only guy that McVeigh actually talked to.
Well, yeah, it's also, there's no way it's going to be a flattering portrait unless it's
a pamphlet at a gun show.
There's no way you can sugarcoat the story enough.
You can't say all the details, but it's like, but also he could have been an incredible
dancer.
He had an elegant arch to his feet.
I mean, as far as haircuts go, he definitely had one.
He was definitive.
He was very proud of his brush cut.
He called it his brush cut.
And that was one of the things that he hated most about being in prison was that he wasn't
able to get a good brush cut anymore.
Oh, poor guy.
He's a sling blade looking country in red sister fucking piece of shit.
But of course he was on death row, so this was an opportunity for him to really share
his story and get his point of view out there.
The other book that we checked out, and this one is the really interesting one, and it
only came out a couple years ago after a ton of FBI files were finally released.
The other book is Oklahoma City, What the Investigation Missed and Why It Still Matters
by Andrew Gumbel and Roger Charles.
This one refutes McVeigh's story in a number of ways and also gives a fantastic overview
of everything that went wrong here.
Okay.
And the one thing I will say definitely in defense of this book, it has 80 pages of
source material of sighting where it gets all of its different points.
It's very, very thorough.
It's a really cool breakdown.
It's a little mind-numbing because it's a lot of details, but it paints a picture of
why it was so difficult to investigate this, the incident and the evidence that points
towards there was a whole network that was working with Timothy McVeigh.
And also to prove that this book is valid and reasonable in those 80 pages of source
material.
Not one of the sources is info wars, so that's really, that's good.
Guys, hopefully we got to give our support to our boy, Alex Jones, tonight's his big
night.
We're not talking about the Alex Jones, Megyn Kelly interview.
Well, Alex Jones is a big, speaking of Alex Jones, Oklahoma City is one of Alex Jones's
big inside job claims.
And he says that the entire thing was done to malign the quote unquote patriot movement.
The patriot movement is a white supremacist movement.
The ignite for him tonight, I hope he shines, I hope he wins, best cinematography, I didn't
know what he's going to do tonight, but whatever it is is going to be fascinating, all eyes
on him.
But yeah, this is the start of Alex Jones really starting to get into like inside job
bullshit.
Like Oklahoma City was one of his first big conspiracy theories.
And that's what we're going to get into here.
There were so many different holes in the official narrative, it was able to be filled
by conspiracy theorists to then prove whatever point they want to prove, whatever narrative
they wanted to create, they were able to create.
Absolutely.
And the reason why those holes existed was because of incompetence, right through and
through.
That's how it always goes with these is that the holes are always caused by incompetence
that the government does not want exposed.
It's not that they're trying to not expose evils that they've done.
Sometimes they are.
But most of the time, they're just trying to cover up how badly they fucked up.
Bad investigations leave these incidents, sort of like they become like a Sasha Gray.
So many holes to be filled with conspiracy theories.
And I think that and it's available for it and it's hungry for it and it's and it's horny
for it.
Okay, well, we did manage to get there.
Now let's get to the bombing itself.
Now that we've got Sasha Gray out of the way, thank God.
Thank you.
It's been burning in my pocket for a while.
That's good.
I'm happy.
It's been released.
The GD is out of the bottle.
Now the site of the bombing was the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma
City.
While there were offices for the ATF Secret Service and DEA in the building, it was mostly
run of the mill government offices.
It was stuff like Social Security, housing and urban development, veterans affairs, army
recruiting, and just like a lot of other buildings like this, there was a daycare there as well.
550 people worked at the Murrah Building, but that doesn't account for the hundreds
who came in and out every day to use basic governmental services, many of whom were there
on the morning of April 19th.
This was 9 a.m.
This place had just opened up.
See McVeigh was faced with a choice.
He could very well have set a bomb to explode in the middle of the night when fatalities
would be kept to a minimum, but McVeigh didn't want to just destroy a building.
He thought that the only way to catch the government's attention would be to rack up
a high body count.
As far as the loss of innocent life went, McVeigh rationalized it by comparing the people
inside to employees on the Death Star.
We've got a nerd alert, we've got a nerd alert, we've got a nerd alert.
Another way for George Lucas to get his merchandising into American events.
So this is out of Timothy McVeigh's.
This is his actual analogy.
He equated them to individuals who worked on the Death Star from Star Wars.
From his mouth, directly from McVeigh's mouth.
In his rationalization, while not every person on the Death Star was individually guilty
of crimes against the galaxy, they were still serving on behalf of Emperor Palpatine, in
this case represented by Bill Clinton.
It's not real.
Which actually really resents because Emperor Palpatine definitely could not still get
an erection.
Absolutely not.
He definitely could.
To his own detriment.
See McVeigh thought of himself as Luke Skywalker.
Oh my god, I can't even with this jerk off.
I am like a little Luke Skywalker if you think about it.
He's just like Luke Skywalker because Luke Skywalker also wanted to fuck his sister.
Well this is kind of-
It's red.
Shit fucks.
Well Ben, you were kind of talking about stuff like this on the last episode of Top
Hat where a lot of these people, they want their lives to be movies.
They want their lives to be simple movies with bad guys.
They want to be the hero and they want it to all be wrapped up in a nice little package.
And we have 168 innocent dead people because of this morons trying to live the extension
of a film that he loves.
Also Timothy McVeigh was using set up rhetoric.
He is parroting things that he has heard.
He has sat and thought about the statements he was going to make.
All of this is rehearsed.
I imagine that they used pop culture in a lot of their recruiting material.
Yeah, oh sure.
There was a lot of that where it's like-
So it makes it a very simple attention grabbing description of your action and it's easily
printable in a newspaper, which is what they wanted.
Now by blowing up the Death Star in this case, represented by the mirror building.
Yeah, can you imagine the daycare of the Death Star?
Yeah.
Timothy McVeigh would be seen as a hero striking back against an evil empire.
It goes back to John Wilkes Booth.
He thought the same thing.
They all think they're going to be heroes.
It never happens that way.
It never works.
They all die in fire.
They all get murdered.
You're fucking moron.
Never works different.
In reality, 80% of the people who died in the blast had no connection whatsoever to
law enforcement.
They were just regular people going to work in a government job to make ends meet.
They're just trying to get to the weekends so they can go fishing and try to forget that
they work at the mural building.
The exact number is 138 out of 168.
Had nothing to do with any one of those apartments.
And you're just talking about the ATF too.
This is before 9am.
This is before the big guys even get in.
You're literally looking at low level ATF employees.
It's fucked up.
So just a little before 9am, Timothy McVeigh, according to him, pulled the yellow rider
truck on the side of the road and lit the first fuse.
Soon after, he lit the second while waiting at a stop light.
He then pulled the rider truck into a drop off point, cut into the sidewalk on the north
side of the mural building, got out, put in a pair of earplugs, and walked towards his
getaway car.
Now apparently, one thing that may have happened is that that was his second plan.
That was his backup plan.
The first plan is that he was supposed to go into the underground garage underneath
the building.
That fucking idiot didn't realize how big the rider truck was and spent 15 minutes
back and in and out of the front of the fucking parking structure.
Oh my God.
And they said, because there was eyewitnesses that say that you see him around driving the
rider truck because basically he's scrambling to come up with the next plan, which is like,
you figure that'd be the first thing.
You've been casing a building for months.
Right.
And then you fucking think about the stupid truck.
Right.
And so now, he lit the wick and I mean, this does take a lot of patience and a lot of calm.
I mean, obviously, he was calm to be able to drive around with a loaded bomb that was
lit.
Well, yeah, he was extremely calm the entire time.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And that's why you were saying earlier.
That's why he's not, he's not nuts.
He's very focused.
Not nuts.
He is extremely focused.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's not unstable in any way whatsoever.
This man knew exactly what he was doing at every turn and felt good about what he was
doing at every turn.
The McVeigh's getaway car was a pastel 1977 Mercury marquee that McVeigh had parked just
a few blocks away with a note on the window that read, not abandoned.
Please do not tow.
We'll move by April 23rd needs battery and cables.
And that just shows the confidence of white people that you could just put a note in there.
You're like, Oh, they'll understand.
Everybody understands notes.
That's as good as honor.
That's an Amer code.
Yeah.
That is the, that is the definition of a dumpy car that would, whatever you're leaving,
you're going to be like, not abandoned, by the way, I'm just going to shop at Costco.
I will be back in 20 minutes.
This car is a functioning car.
I am just a dirt bag.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
He spent $300 on that mercury marquee pastel yellow had a big rust spot on it.
He is just a kind of special douchebag that car dealer needed to see that day.
He's like, Oh, my wife is going to leave me if I don't sell one car and all I got is this
pastel piece of crap.
Oh, hello.
This guy's haircut.
I'm moving this car tonight.
But before McVeigh could even get to his car, the bomb detonated at 902 a.m. with the power
of two and a half tons of TNT.
This is a recording of the blast as captured by an audio recording of a routine local government
meeting being held in another building.
With regard to this proceeding, basically, there are four elements that I have to receive
information regarding.
That is such a great audio description of just it's just a mundane day.
Yeah.
It seemed like a very boring meeting that was going on.
It was a waterboard meeting.
Oh, well, that's kind of exciting.
But you know, I mean, just this this 419 1995 was just a day.
Yeah.
And this to happen.
I mean, that is again, as we were talking about, this is the definition of terrorism
and that blast, you know, I mean, it blew out the blast was loud enough to blow out the
recording on this.
We had that was loud enough.
It was heard over 50 miles away.
Wow.
It's a huge bomb.
It's a 20 foot long bomb filled with it.
How many tons was that 5000 tons?
It was three and a half tons.
Jesus Christ.
All right.
Yeah.
So the explosion was powerful enough so as to cause tiles to fall from ceilings and
buildings as far as three miles away.
Oh, my God.
The concussive blast shattered windows and buildings all over downtown Oklahoma City,
which shredded people on the street.
The majority of people, the majority of people who were injured in this were injured by falling
glass because all of these windows just went boom.
Yeah, that would make sense.
Virtually every building in downtown Oklahoma City, over 300 of them were damaged in some
way by the blast, some bad enough where they had to be demolished completely.
Wow.
And when the truck exploded, the force of the blast blew the 250 pound rear axle two
blocks away where it hit a car and almost killed the family inside, who coincidentally
shared the last name Nichols with McVeigh's known co-conspirator.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
Also, the family, the guy that was an eyewitness testimony, he said basically it was like
an action movie.
He heard the blast.
He's like, with his family, he doesn't know, he looks up and he said he saw this axle
just going hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot, making that noise like in a movie.
And it just crashed in his car and he was, he did the good down to his family, which
is awesome.
He moved very fast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a crazy situation.
Yeah.
When the smoke cleared, a third of the nine-story mirror building was rubble as the concussive
effects of the bomb had weakened the concrete columns enough to cause the building to partly
collapse.
Which is really interesting, that I learned about bombs, when you was reading Oklahoma
City that I never knew, was that it's not so much the, I mean, the initial blast makes
a bunch of damage, but then it creates a vacuum.
It's like negative pressure effect where it sucks back in.
All the air comes in to fill the space that the concussive energy like pushed out.
And that's what they're saying that that's where Timothy McVeigh was accidentally a genius
because he did, obviously, did not understand the physics of what he was doing.
And that he somehow tricked his way into making it into being extra powerful because it's
like two blasts in one, which is also why the conspiracy theories are going to say that
there were two bombs.
All right, when there absolutely was not.
Now the heat from the blast set cars in the parking lot across the street on fire, and
the ground was littered with bodies and body parts, but the worst part was the children.
Just above the rider truck on the second floor of the building was the America's Kids Daycare
Center.
The kids inside were infants, toddlers, and preschoolers.
When 21 kids were in the daycare that day, only six survived, and 19 kids throughout
the building would die in the blast.
McVeigh would later say that he regretted the children, but never expressed any remorse
whatsoever.
In his words, the children as well as the non-governmental workers, 69 people who are
just there to get their social security check or some other bullshit that day, were nothing
more than collateral damage.
He is ridiculous.
It's one of the words that he used.
Well, he learned a lot of that from his time in the Gulf War, and he had this kind of whole
concept of that was the part of it that was going to incite the race war.
That was what was going to finally do it.
That's what he wanted.
He wanted that.
So he never even, he doesn't really, he ever even saying the terms that he regretted it.
He didn't.
He didn't give a shit.
I don't know.
It's a little controversial, but we talked about this on Top Hat as well regarding Dillon
Roof.
We got to ban people with bad haircuts.
I don't really believe we ban haircuts.
It was in every barber, and every time someone comes in, it was like, what does he call this
haircut?
The brush.
The brush to the mental list.
Now you're on a list.
Cut down problem.
Cut the head off the snake.
That's what I say.
Cut the hair off.
Cut the head off the snake.
That's it.
The rescuers were on the scene immediately and headed straight into the wreckage.
They said both the ceilings and the floors were marked by large circles of coagulated
blood, each circle marking a human being that had been crushed by the falling concrete slabs.
No one deserves to die that way.
That's for sure.
One woman who fell five stories survived but was trapped and kept her composure by squeezing
the severed hands of one of the other victims, saying it made her feel oddly comforted while
waiting to be set free.
Oh my god.
It was the only thing she had.
Interesting, yeah.
If she was the last podcast in the left fan, she would have called it an Ed Gein stress
ball.
That's inappropriate.
I mean, it's a bit of, it's a bit of dark humor, but that is, I mean, how interesting
is this?
What a strange situation.
It is.
A bit of dark humor.
It is.
It is.
It's a bit of dark humor.
It's a bit of a midnight chuckle, as they call it.
Yeah, a little midnight chuckle.
But I mean, how, what a strange situation to have to be in and for her to have to experience
that is really, you know.
And she said she knew that she had reached out.
She was trapped under rubble and she reached out and found someone else's hand and started
screaming and started squeezing it and looked over that, you know, and saw that the hand
was attached to nothing else.
And she said that she didn't particularly care at the time.
She said she just, she needed something to hold on to.
Because that was another thing that some of the survivors inside said, they said while
they were waiting to be rescued, they said it wasn't like an action movie where you've
got like hissing pipes and rubble falling and people screaming.
They said it was deathly silent in there.
Interesting.
One of the most tragic stories was that of Dana Bradley.
She, accompanied by three members of her family, was at the Social Security office to get her
son a Social Security card that day, her brand new baby boy.
And when the truck bomb exploded, Dana's mother, daughter, and son were all dead and
her sister was badly burned.
Dana herself was trapped under the rubble and had to have her leg amputated at the knee
with a pocket knife.
Oh my goodness.
She was so fucked up because they literally had to go to the triage center and they grabbed
the only, the ER doctor there was the head of the department that was there at nine
o'clock in the morning.
And they grabbed him and they had to do this and he was a very fat man.
And they said that he had to struggle his way through.
They could barely get through the rubble to get to her in the position.
So he was like, he had to do it with his left hand, which was not his strong hand.
And all of his scalpels kept breaking because he couldn't also, couldn't use anesthesia
on her because her blood pressure was too low.
He was afraid that the anesthesia would kill her.
So he was a tranquilizer.
She's being like, you're just going to have to deal with this.
And we're just going to make good, but I have to keep you still for me to do this.
And so it was just him, every break, she was completely motionless screaming.
And he used his scalpel.
Each one kept breaking until finally he got someone's pocket knife and managed to finally
get the last tendon because he had to cut through the worst part of her knee, like the
most complicated part.
And that is, that's fucking horrible.
Not a, yeah, not a good day for anyone.
I mean, this was an active war and that reminds me of a scene out of a hospital from the Civil
War.
Yeah.
I mean, it was just, oh my goodness.
Limbs everywhere.
Yeah.
Dana, along with most of the other trap survivors were down in the basement, which rescuers
dubbed the pit because burst pipes were slowly filling it with freezing cold water, which
made the rescue process all the more urgent.
It's never good when where you are has been dubbed the pit.
Very rarely is that like, oh, that means we're having a better time than other people.
Unless you're at the People's Improv Theater on 29th Street in New York City, the pit,
where you could get cheap improv classes and even cheaper comedy shows.
That's right.
And it was incredibly dangerous to be in there as well.
Well, one thing also interesting and the first wave of looking for survivors is that there
was all this money everywhere because the ATF offices, like their evidence room blew
up.
So money and guns are everywhere and these confused officers are running around like
trying to save people, but also just picking up just handfuls of cash.
And eventually, like the commanders had to say, leave the fucking money.
We're getting these people.
It was very complicated.
Yeah, just a surreal scene.
Yeah, absolutely.
Now, after the two week rescue attempt was over, only a handful of people have been saved
from the rubble.
And predictably, just like with the construction of the World Trade Center, most of these deaths
could have been prevented for just a few dollars more.
All right.
The columns of the Alfred P. Muir building were reinforced with rebar.
Had the building used hoop steel instead, a change that would have accounted for one
eighth of 1% of the construction budget, the building would not have collapsed, which is
how the majority of the lives were lost.
Had the government spent just $18,000 more on this contract, no more than 20 people would
have died as opposed to 168.
The government, they probably did this under the guise of cutting the budget, but then
in re-
That's exactly what they did.
Yeah.
Because the whole point is that the reason why they wanted to use hoop steel, because
that was earthquake-proofing, the buildings.
And they were like, oh, there's hardly any earthquakes here.
And also, they didn't want to make it some big, oppressive government building because
you had HUD there and you had the Social Security Office.
So they wanted it to be this kind of friendly place.
And the reason why now all buildings, like if you try to go into the new World Trade
Center, if you try to go in there, you are frisked, treated like a criminal as you go
in there because that's, this is why now, because now every government building has
to be completely made to this specific code.
And also the idea that you could even get a van that close to the building is really
insane.
Yeah.
It's absolutely insane that he was allowed to park right up in front of it, not just
right up in front of it, but right below the daycare center.
Because the daycare center was directly above where Timothy McVeigh parked the rider truck.
And in fact, when he got out of the truck, he would have been able to look up and see
kids' drawings in the window of that building.
So you think that he knew it was a daycare center?
Yeah, absolutely.
He did.
He cased the building before.
They said that he came in weeks before.
We'll go into the next episode, but he came in asking about the back entrances to the
daycare and was very interested in how many people were there.
And also, there was a controversial change of management of the daycare that caused a
lot of people to not bring in their kids that day, which is very interesting too, is that
a lot more kids could have died, but the woman that everybody loved had just left.
And they had a new boss there, like a new runner of the daycare, and they didn't trust
that person.
So a lot of people didn't bring their kids.
Yeah.
It was just a stroke of luck that that worked out that way.
And furthermore, the Mura building only had one guard on duty at any one time.
And the building was actually left totally unguarded for five hours a day.
Now, while there was no possibility that McVeigh knew of the structural weaknesses, he sure
as hell knew about the holes in security and chose Oklahoma City over buildings in Omaha
and Dallas, partly because of that.
Because the people in Omaha and Dallas, you weren't able to drive a truck right up to
the front entrance of it.
I gotta say, the only way that it would be acceptable for the Mura building to have one
security guard is if that security guard was the dad from Family Matters, because you know
he would have done a great job protecting that building.
I'm getting too old for this shit.
I mean, just taking a shit.
And while most people around the world were flabbergasted that this happened in Oklahoma
City of all places, local law enforcement officials knew that something like this could
happen and, to their credit, tried to prevent it.
The local head of the Federal Protective Services, whose whole job is to protect places like
the Mura building, put together a detailed report outlining each and every one of the
Mura building's vulnerabilities.
But his bosses wanted to keep the building as, quote, a place where people wanted to
do business.
They said that terrorism was something that just didn't happen in America and ordered
the agent to change his report.
Well, apparently he also did not build up goodwill amongst his bosses, because he'd
been harping on this for a long time, and they all just thought he was really fucking
annoying.
And at some point, he finally just rode him off.
But I do understand if you are a person in a pre-Oklahoma City bombing world, or a pre-911
world, you do want people to feel comfortable.
And it was what happened after Columbine when it came to hardening high schools, making
them hard targets for people to attack.
I understand the perspective of the people who were running this building to make it
a family-friendly environment that wasn't militant.
Absolutely.
Well, there's a middle ground, though.
Yeah.
There's absolutely a middle ground between frisking people as they go inside to get a
driver's license and leaving an entire front entrance completely open.
I agree.
And the security cameras were fake.
They weren't connected to anything.
So there was no footage of the actual bombing.
I will say at least one Dwight Schrute a year saves 50 people.
Oh, Dwight was in that office, really.
He complains about how the line of the Chipotle is too long.
That's it.
But he will maybe save you.
Yeah.
It reminds me of Wayne's World, where he's at the video shoots like, there is no film
in this camera.
But then, of course, there is.
But again, that also plays into the conspiracy theories.
The conspiracy theorists were just allowed to fill so many pockets of information that
weren't filled by reports and cameras.
Yeah.
Stop saying holes.
Holes!
Holes!
And this is another thing that played into the conspiracy theorists.
The conspiracy theorists' ideas that something was being covered up here, because this agent
who put out this report that the mirror building was vulnerable to an attack, he did change
his report, his official report.
He changed it.
And when the bombing happened, his bosses made damn sure he wasn't anywhere near Oklahoma
City because shit, he might have talked to the press.
He might have said something like, yeah, I told him that this was unsafe.
I told him that something like this could happen.
But they ended up shifting him from building to, or from agency to agency to agency.
And they did that with a lot of people around Oklahoma City.
People were being shifted all around to cover up incompetence.
Well, that's the interesting thing.
And I know we'll get into this a little bit more in the future.
When it comes to, in the future episodes, when it comes to conspiracy theories, oftentimes
they think the government has like, you know, total competence, competence enough to actually
perpetrate an act like this.
In reality, like you just said, it's the incompetence of the government that allows these things
to happen.
I could work at the ATF.
You know what I mean?
I could go and apply for a job at the government.
There are men like me out there that are working for the government that don't know what they're
doing.
Which is not shocking anybody.
They should be actors.
They should be performers.
They should be at a cubicle.
So that's the thing about the United States government is that it is full of absolutely
competent and not just competent heroes.
People who deserve to be in those positions of power that are there to help people.
They're there because they don't want people to die.
But government is also, it's a human institution.
So it's going to be filled with a lot of people who are neglectful fuck ups that don't necessarily
give a fuck about anybody else besides their own ass.
So let's get back to this.
There were people in this story that did really good jobs.
They just kind of got silenced after the fact because there were people deep within.
We're going to get into the white supremacist movement.
The people that knew that this shit was coming and were saying like, hey, they are preparing
for something.
There was a lot of buzz.
It was the same thing before 9-11.
So there's a lot of reports coming out saying like, there's a lot of bustling happening.
I don't know what's going on.
And it's just what information they choose to act on.
Right.
All right.
So Timothy, where are we at now?
We're right now.
He's in his pastel car.
Yeah, absolutely.
So when the hunt for suspects began, America looked first to the Middle East, which was
actually pretty logical at the time because Ramsey Youssef, the mastermind of the first
World Trade Center bombing that had just happened a year before Oklahoma City, he'd
just been apprehended.
And the jihadist groups, of course, had promised swift retaliation.
And really, it was the only explanation that we had that made any sense to us because shit
like this didn't happen in America.
And if it did, it was always someone from somewhere else who was the perpetrator.
I remember when this happened, because I grew up pretty close to Oklahoma City.
And I remember coming in to my parents' work, and they were watching it on the TV that day,
and were absolutely shocked that anything like this could happen.
And I remember when Timothy McVeigh was captured, it was a look of pain on their face.
You looked like somebody, everyone had it, someone who looked like Timothy McVeigh in
their hometown.
Yeah, you know?
Yeah, like a dipshit.
Yeah, that's basically it.
The kind of guy that you talk bad about behind his back, but in front of his face, you're
visibly terrified.
Tim!
Well, that was interesting.
Tim, no, we're not having a barbecue this Sunday, so wait, no, you heard about it.
You don't want to hear about the coming revolution.
Also, I'll bring coleslaw.
Like the Patriot movement, it's like the multiplicity clone of the Nazi movement.
Literally it's a bunch of idiots that Goebbels would have spit on if he had met.
But during the investigation, it wasn't long before someone remembered the date.
April 19th, two years to the day after the siege at Waco, had come to a deadly and fiery
end.
But that was Bob Ricks, the head of the FBI in Oklahoma, who technically should have
been in charge of the investigation, but we're going to find out there was a lot of corruption
with who was in being put in charge, but he understood as soon as he saw it popped, he
was like, they're sitting in the office and he was like, this is the second year anniversary
of Waco.
And they were like, oh, shit, like because he knew that this was coming and then we're
going to talk about that they knew that there were a bunch of people pissed off about Ruby
Ridge and that Waco got so much attention being like, of course, it's what 420 is now.
It's what we talked about with Columbine and we did that whole episode.
Not the weed holiday, not the weed holiday.
Is it legalized weed?
Yes.
Man, if you guys just had fucking weed, man, I don't think Timothy McVeigh would have done
good.
He would have been bad on weed.
He actually tried weed and meth for a brief period.
It wasn't for him.
He did a lot of math.
Apparently that was one of the things that the fuel up to the building of the bomb is
at him.
And he was trying.
McVeigh was trying to get Nichols into meth.
McVeigh had been up for days leading up to here, which probably is why he fucked up with
the license plate, which we'll get into.
We'll get into it.
The FBI, they drew up a little profile, the behavioral sciences unit drew something up.
They said the perpetrator would be a white male with military experience who was angry
about Ruby Ridge and Waco described him perfectly.
And from then on, the attack was what the FBI referred to as a quote, bubba job, which
used to be the term for when you blow yourself with a dead fish on a boat with your buddy.
Watch it.
He thought you come yet.
That's a bubba job.
Huh?
Well, isn't that wild?
So moments after the bomb went off, McVeigh hopped into his mercury marquee, but he couldn't
get the car to start because he bought a $300 car.
He tried again and again to get the engine to turn over until finally it started and
he sped away.
But McVeigh had either forgotten or had purposely left something important off his car.
McVeigh, who had just murdered 168 people, was driving down the road without any license
plates on his car.
It is ridiculous.
It reminds me of that Ted Bundy quote where it's like after the 20th kill, you forget
where you put your wrench or something like that, but it's just so strange to me that
he would make this mistake on accident.
It seems like this was a purposeful decision to get caught because he wanted to be a martyr,
right?
It's possible.
So a state trooper named Charles Hanger noticed this about 60 miles north of Oklahoma
City and pulled McVeigh over.
And when McVeigh got out of the car, the officer noticed a bulge in McVeigh's jacket when the
officer reached inside, he found a handgun, and Timothy McVeigh was arrested for the first
time in his life for the unlawful carrying of a firearm.
But the funny thing was, Hanger had no idea who he had handcuffed in the back of his cop
car.
But there was a clue.
When McVeigh was arrested, he was wearing his favorite t-shirt that he wore special for
that day.
On the front was a picture of Abraham Lincoln with the words, Six Simper Tyrannus, thus ever
to tyrants printed underneath.
These were the words that John Wilkes Booth had screamed after shooting Lincoln in the
head.
Six Simper Tyrannus?
Mm-hmm.
But I will say Six Simper Tyrannum was also made famous by the Sondheim musical Assassins.
The John Wilkes Booth has a wonderful solo in, and I love it.
I sing it alone all the time.
My brother was in the play, Assassin's in College.
I got to see it.
Yes, he was a very tall, tall person in the play.
The back of the shirt was a picture of a tree featuring a quote from Thomas Jefferson that
said,
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and
tyrants.
But not mine, certainly not mine.
I own my girlfriend.
Did you know?
Just the world's, the world's like the worst farmer, and be like, what are you putting
on the crops there?
Human blood!
The blood of patriots and tyrants!
She was killing all the trees, maybe I got this wrong.
Now I checked online, and you can still get your very own Six Simper Tyrannus shirt, but
now instead of just a boring old tree, you can get one with a sexy lady on it instead.
Oh wow.
Oh yeah, just go to Gadsden and Culpeppers, American Heritage Shop, the official Don't
Tread on Me outfitter.
A sexy lady just like Abraham Lincoln, loved, he loved sexy ladies.
I'm going to go home and have sex with the first lady.
I can't wait to go shopping there because the sound hood I'm wearing currently is very
warm.
And I think that they probably have a whole collection of very breezy hoods for me to
wear with face holes cut out perfectly for hiding sound.
You could also buy a deck of cars with girls in swimsuits holding guns, you know it's called
what?
Guns and buns?
Guns and buns.
Wow.
I also want to be reminded that I'm lonely.
I only like hot babes on my playing cards.
Yeah, I love being vaguely hard while I'm playing cards.
Me and my buddies, sometimes my father is there.
Oh, the sexual fetish of guns is so weird to me, but that's a whole other thing.
Well of course it is, they're penises with bullets in it.
Think about it, if you could make your semen hard, that would be so much fun, go bing-de-ding-dong,
bing-de-ding-dong.
Like off like different surfaces in your house, like a little BB gun.
I think it's best that doesn't happen.
So it wouldn't take authorities long to catch up to Timothy McVeigh.
The first break came when the rear axle of the rider truck was found two blocks away,
the same one that almost took the heads off the family huddled in their car for safety.
The axle had a VIN number stamped on it, which was traced to a place called Elliott's Body
Shop in Junction City, Kansas.
When they checked the paperwork, they found that the truck had been rented to a man named
Robert Kling, one of McVeigh's aliases.
But when the Body Shop employees were interviewed, they found that McVeigh may not have been
alone when he rented it.
This claim has become one of the most contentious points in the whole Oklahoma City saga.
Sketches were done of both men, with the first one undoubtedly being of McVeigh's square-headed,
possum sourpuss.
He really is such a sourpuss.
He does not smile.
He's a tight-faced, little, fucking prick.
But you know for a fact, it would be just like that couple who were laughing, furiously
laughing, and I looked over, this is on the airplane, and they were watching Frasier.
I have a feeling, Timothy McVeigh would be like, I don't like comedy, but Frasier, he
gets me every time.
But the other sketch was of a heavy-set man in a Carolina Panthers cap with olive skin.
That man to this day is still known as John Doe Number Two, who we'll get into on the
next episode.
Either way, the sketches were taken from door-to-door in Junction City until finally a woman who
worked at a local motel called Dreamland recognized sketch number one.
You look like you want to say something about Dreamland.
Dreamland?
No, it's just like, we got rooms, you can rent them by the hour, or you can rent them
by the half hour.
That's it.
There's just some kind of Dreamland.
Obviously, it's obviously not a place, like they must have been stunned, we was like,
I'll spend the night, the night, sir, we've never had someone spend the night here at
Dreamland.
Wait a second, are you a millionaire?
You just have nothing to lose.
When they checked the register, they found the name Timothy McVeigh, they also found
that-
What a fucking idiot.
He used his real name, he's just such a, he's just, the idea that he could do anything
alone, we'll talk about this, but it's just, he's so fucking square headed and stupid.
I literally think he ran out of creative juices.
He's like, wow, what's an alias, I already did Robert Kling, Timothy McVeigh, that's
my name.
Richard Kling, Richard Gronk, Richard Krink, what about Timothy McVeigh, that's my name.
I never understand people having a hard time coming up with fake names.
I could come up with fake names all day long, Jim Anderson, Jim Sanderson, Jim Randerson,
John Anderson, John Anderson, you just keep coming up with names.
Robert Vimbo, Mr. Robert Bing Bong, my name is Horatio Fernandez, my name is Horatio Fernandez.
Immediately, I just jumped into character, but that's as a character comedian.
Yes, that's true, I don't think that Timothy McVeigh had the improv or the sketch abilities.
No, he would have really not done well at just for laughs in Montreal. No, definitely not
They also found that McVeigh had listed his address as a farm in Michigan, which belonged to the brother of Terry Nichols
McVeigh's possible lone conspirator in the official version of the events
And while agents went to check out the farm a computer check was run on the name Timothy McVeigh and his recent arrest in Oklahoma
Less than an hour and a half after the bombing the previous Wednesday showed up
Lucky for them the judge who was meant to see McVeigh that Thursday had a full schedule
And so McVeigh's bail hearing was pushed to Friday. Had that not happened
McVeigh would have been set free
And who knows how long it would have taken to find him or what McVeigh would have done in the meantime
Well, it would have been another ruby ridge situation
You know, it would have been a wake-o-esque standoff that would have led to a horrible horrific events with god knows
Like you just said how many other people would have died unless he had a place to go
And it was set up and he was supposed to go and meet up with a network of people that were supposed to hide him
Which is a theory that they've done that before they took criminals
There was a whole criminal underground that we're going to get into in the next episode
We'll get into it, but thankfully McVeigh was arrested again and charged with the bombing. So now
We've got some questions to answer
number one
Who was
Timothy McVeigh a fuckface
Those are the quick answers
Bad speaker bad lover
Maybe a good friend
I don't think he was a good friend. I think it was a very pushy mean friend. Um, he was a very bad lover
He did not do well with the ladies at all the the best that he ever did. I wouldn't have guessed
I know this is stunning revelations from last podcast on the left Timothy McVeigh
Timothy McVeigh bad and bad
Do you think that he maybe was bad at comelingus?
I think he was bad about everything. The best he ever did was after the gulf war right after he got back
He tried a line on a girl walked up to a girl at bars to
hey
Do you need do you need a special license to wear that outfit?
I'm gonna go talk to another man not you you freak. Why are you here?
Kill all the women
Kill all the women. They don't get my charm
I'm the most charming man in the world him and elliot rogers start hanging out exactly number two
How did he get to this point? He's an idiot gullible. Um, he had no skills
He was destroyed by the war. We'll get to the short answers. I like no
I've enjoyed Henry's quick hot takes on it and number three
Who else was involved? Yes. I tell you what? I certainly hope it's not big word from sesame street because that was the last
Honest thing that was like the last good thing mr.
Him and mr. Rogers if mr. Rogers shows up somewhere in this investigation
I'm gonna be very upset. Absolutely. No, those are those are great questions
And we're gonna answer those on the next episode because I mean that's how we find
That's how we avoid these future acts. Uh, you know going forward here
We have to find the root problem and that's what we talked about on top head as well in this last episode these it's so, uh, it's so, um
contentious right now and it is social media driven and it's it's interesting to see these people
Or we just continue doing what we've always done and what we will continue to do which is ignore the problem
Let it grow like a cancer or bellies until it destroys the entire country, which I think at this point
It's like I mean it's gonna happen. So let's just have fun with it. Well, let's not let's try to avoid
At all cost we could all try to avoid this. Well, we can see with with Oklahoma City and
The the kind of gun show culture that was going on in in the 90s and in the 80s
Uh with you know these you can see you can trace a line
From what's going on now with both sides way back to the 80s and 90s like oh, you know
When people say like how did the country get so divided all of a sudden all of a sudden?
Yeah, all of a sudden are you fucking kidding me? This this is shit that has been bubbling for decades
And timothy mcbay is right in the middle of all of it
And I think one thing that could save us honestly is that a quote unquote right now if it's true
The patriot movement technically has their president
They have it now you got a couple of real white supremacists that are in the white house that are they're a part of making policy
And so they're watching them fuck it up and it's kind of fun because I think it's gonna take
The steam out of their fucking ship a little bit realizing now you guys got the job and you're not doing it right
They they love what they're doing. So that's that's kind of the sad truth. Yeah. Yeah, there are different perspectives Henry
There are more than one. Yeah, they're there. They're actually they're actually extremely happy with what's going on right now
They have they have never been happier in their entire. Oh my goodness. Um, all right. Well, that's episode one
Oklahoma city we got a lot more to get to a lot to cover with this story
Um, it's an intense one and I think more relevant uh than ever uh really with our current times
And let's take a look at these domestic terrorists
And we got to nip it in the bud before we have another act uh like this
Yeah, with that today. Yeah, anybody else if you meet anybody that gives you the Turner diaries you got to run
They are not your friends. They're not your friend. It's not about Tina Turner. It's not fun
I'm gonna say we've been called a problematic faith. I'm gonna call the Turner diaries a problematic faith because it is
whoo
Yeah, I actually don't really want you reading the Turner diaries to be fair because you've sort of adopted some Scientology lingo
And you do kind of absorb everything. This is different. I just I'm reading a Turner diaries on my computer and look up in the mirror
And see me dressed as Gary literally as the white devil reading this book and who yeah controversial
All right, and check out your pretty face is going to hell of course. Yeah. All right everyone. Thank you so much for listening
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I want to thank everybody in indianapolis. We had an incredible time at crime con
Oh, crime. That was great. So fun. So we'll definitely whenever we're invited. We will be there uh for crime
I hope anyway
It was fun to see that crime con
We were surprised that it was sponsored by oxygen and I thought I thought it was great and also most of crime con
Was the little ladies from the keepers. Oh, yes
Like tiny old ladies. There was one adorable lady who cared because we were selling t-shirts one adorable ladies
Is like I don't know what you boys do but
Are you interested in a cold case?
Oh
Please she pulls it. Oh good and pulls out her little folder and gives me this one sheet that has all of the information about
Her pet cold case on it. I found this knife in the gut of a dead girl, ma'am. I don't know ma'am
Did you kill her ma'am? Yes
Uh, no, that was unbelievable. What a fun uh group of people
Yeah, and everyone could come together and not feel weird and you know, that's that's always so great
And great to meet a lot of our uh fellow podcasters out there. Uh, you guys are awesome
It's cool to see there's like a little uh true crime podcast community out there
Absolutely, and we want to thank uh everyone that came out to high five the venue. That was it was incredibly high five
That was one of my favorite shows ever love it
Also, the crime con had such a funny thing of like a fake chalk outline of a victim
Oh, I know old ladies are up there taking pictures. I mean like don't you fantasize about this. You're the victim
I walked by the sad thing is I walked by it and I was like I'm too big to be the victim
And we saw sniffer dogs cadaver dogs, which are so cute, but I say give them a break
You know let them clock out, but they were incredible. They were they get they liked it. They bounded around when they ran
But then it's like when they do achieve like their great accomplishment. It's just a dead body. They have to find
Give them a pizza and they're laughing and just they're wagging their tail like
Uh
Udelated corpse
Also felt a bit nervous being like I had weed. I didn't even realize that I had weed in my pocket when we walked into the drug dogs
Say no, oh
Fuck there's a how did Henry die drug dogs. They took him down
Oh, Henry those were cadaver dogs. You were fine
Yeah, Marcus is the one with the human thumb in his pocket. I don't have tongue human don't I don't know don't have
have. You don't have. No. All right, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. Let's see
Patreon. We got to thank everyone for that. Yeah. Thanks everyone for giving our Patreon.
If you feel like we deserve a little bit of cash for what we do here, you can go and give
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we announce those. That's right. And the Twitter is at LP on the left. You can find Henry on
Twitter at Henry loves you. Dr. Fantasty on Instagram. Marcus sparks is Marcus sparks
for everything. I'm Ben kissle and Ben kissle one on Instagram. Yeah. So fucking check out
your bullshit. Hail Satan and fucking try and just cut your rage. Don't don't plan a
terrorist attack. I say write a book. Do something else. Have fun with you. No play a song. Play
a song. Right. Right. Right. A wonderful, you know, poem. Make your own kind of music.
That's what I've even if nobody else sings along. That's the set. That is what people
do on the train in a regular basis. That's not a special song. Thanks for supporting all
the shows here at CCR. Hail yourselves. Hail me. And I'm a ghost. All right, it's time
for Patreon. Shout outs. Thanks everyone who donated. Hail yourselves. Magus Dalatians.
You're all the best. Shout out away from Patreon. All right. You guys are the only reason we
exist and we all love you very much. Okay, I will begin reading some names. Daniel Gorman.
Thank you so much, Daniel. Thomas Barton. Pat Brown. Damon Tang. Daniel Kersaik. Kersaik.
Kersaik. Daniel Kersaik. Sounds like a good military man. Kersaik. Kersaik. Kersaik.
Get in here, Kersaik. Gosh, darn it. I've done something that was... Oh, no. I've dropped
the mortar. Not good. Matt Kelly. Justin Brickard. Ryan Jones. Katie Aldol Welch. Thomas
Lowellin. Lowellin. I feel like I've read that one before. Thomas Lowellin. Lowellin.
Lowellin. Also a very fun name. Tristan Tate. Vladmer. Oh my goodness. Marcus, this one's
Russian. You have to read it. Vladmer Vajnavik? Vajnavik? I think it's Vajnavik. Vladmer
Vajnavik. Vladmer Voznovik. Cool. Thank you, buddy. You're welcome. Yeah, dude. We have
a bunch of Russians staying in the building where I'm staying here and it makes me very
paranoid because I don't know if they're going to send my secrets. Are you taking my secrets?
If they took your secrets, they would be the dumbest people in Russia when they go back.
Chase Griffin. Handel Plotkin. Brie Howard. Thomas Edward. Ben Polovsky. Lindsay Aramo.
Corinne Brandenburg. Melissa Nottingham. And Honor Mayro has kind of cut off there. I
believe it's Honor Mayer. T.J. Hara. Holly Hudson. Torsten Neusenberg. Frankie. Courtney
Cochran. Hello. Hello. Ainsley Ezra. Clinton Hallehan. Neum, who I believe is our friend
that we met in Glasgow, who is from Scotland. It's good to see you. Brandon Rowland. Sarah
McGuire. I got Daniel Shepley. Tina Pettis. Na Calar. It's N-A-A. Na Calar. Can we trust
you? Damn you, Kirk. Damn you, Kirk. Kellan R. Adachi. Byron Carlisle. Tony Stark.
Really? Tony Stark. You better have given us more than a dollar. That billion-
Iron Man. It's Iron Man. I'm a big fan of Last Podcast on the left. I listen to it in
my suit every day. Danielle Rosler. Johannes van Velsen. Johannes van Velsen. Kiki Adiranti.
Gabriel Laplace. Albie. Ellie Skipper. Andrew Turkick. I think it's Turkick. Alex Cantrell.
Christopher Wormald. Megan DeLeon. DeLeon. DeLeon. Mitch Wheeler. Kenny Shackleford.
Lindsay Dapp. Jessica. And T.J. Hara. Thank you all so much. Okay. I've got a fella. His
name is Evan Bourbon, which is kind of fun. Bourbon, which I like. Evan Bourbon. Chelsea
Stumpf. Annie Athezia Mapes. Anathasia Mapes. I love that name. Anathasia, if I'm saying
it remotely close to right. I like that name. Kevin L. Gouch. Audrey Lewis. Mike Horanda.
Jane Andraka. Ian Price. Hillary Leann. Hillary Leann? I believe it's Hillary Leann. Tristan
Powers. Christina Lindsay. Marissa Smith. Blake Bonafide. Daniel Zach. Amel Majaris. I believe
it's Amel Majaris. Laura Abraham. Preston Snow. Lo Grant. Michael Newtine. Caitlyn Handley.
Nika Mora. Niko Mora. I feel like Oprah. I want to give them all cars. You get a car.
You get a car.
Story and David Michelangelo. Caitlyn Osslman. Ian Palladze. Simon Pekas. Alex Diebal. Jesse
Chandler. Alex Jandria Scott. Michelle O'Paert. Treby. Nick Morris. Jennifer Siefing. Zach
Donahoe. Ryan Reynolds. We got the Green Lantern and Iron Man listening to the show. He's better
as Deadpool.
Yeah
He will always be my Green Lantern
Fine Reynolds, will you please come and take me out of this?
He's just come and just save me. I'll do anything. I'll lick up your come on on your wife
If you want to
Towel if you could be the chubby ride sidekick to Ryan Reynolds in a superhero movie you'd be set
please
Make it happen Ryan Reynolds
Nick Aldridge Jared Hoon
Alice Ante
Benjamin Weisberg Angela Cortese
Dominic Dagestino Kimberly and Angela Houser
I got Jameson Paulson Brock Bender Stewart Browning Sergio the French Stewart victim the French Stewart killer
Oh
Randy Gates Shauna Lawler Michael Meyer
Rebecca Anderson Jake Savannah Wells MJ Hall Peter Baker John Romero ash Lee
It is I like that. Oh, yeah, Craig Allen Ethan Swice. Good. All right
Jonas missing a show in Sweden Nielsen. Oh, okay
I guess he wants us to do a show in Sweden. Okay. Well, I'd love to go to Sweden
I'm gonna go to Sweden. I love Sweden. I'm gonna go to Sweden. Please. That's my that's my accent of it
Trevor Hine and
Favour.com
Alright Favour.com. Thank you so much Alex. I got Alex guitar as guitar as Alex guitar as Dalton Wirtman
George Lucas. I can't make this stop up
I really get him to I don't know. I'm a really big fan of last podcast on the left
I just have to say that all of you were
I'm big fans. Did you make Jar Jar banks exist? I love him. He's I think he's you know what I like Jar Jar banks too
I'm just gonna say it and I said it yesterday. It's Cody Island and people Jar Jar banks was really our way of getting a
Rastafarian man as racistly as possible into the Star Wars
They were like they're like we need to diversify this cast like we could cast an Asian person or maybe an African American
Look, I got it. I got an idea. What are you talking about?
Is it due to Custa Asian a person?
I'm down to a Jedi
I'm not even
I know he's doing it
I know
That was the characters of the day
The Federation
George Lucas, thank you. Lacey Shwindenhammer. I love that name Shwindenhammer Lacey Chloe Rush
Kier Nathan Jumbo Jet Timmins Zane Diltz Loresa DeMarco Katie Fitch UKHC
Gina Forte James Kakarok Coco Rickus Coco Rickus James Coco Rickus. I like that Coco Rickus
Andrew Robinson Aaron Thomas Hector true Julo true true. I'm just gonna show you
Oh true here true here. Let me see it Hector true here right there. Yeah. Yeah through through here Hector
He'll how do you roll the uh, he'll just have
That is we attempting to do anything that is not Midwestern Hector true Julio, what ever?
Henry you're holding Marcus you said Kevin love it Janine Katie Robinson Adam Murphy and Sarah Blum. Thank you so much
Now I will say this if you are looking for a fake name
This is a very easy way to get one you listen to the patreon shout outs and just choose one
Emily Reed
Robert Jordan
Lena way Whanburg. It's got an umlaut on it. We had him we had him beer
Christina Carl's Brian Houghton Robert John Perry the fourth Wow
God one of the co-conspirators with Timothy McVeck Daniel Pugliesi
Brandon Nunez Dan Bunyan Chad Williford chance Kennedy. I am chance Kennedy and this is your action sports. Oh my god
Bobby Bonilla
That is your only sports reference to this day
Wait, Bobby Bonilla gives to our patreon. What? No, that would be amazing. We got
Okay, please do Michael Brown Matthew McDowell
Margaret McMillan Alyssa Karris and a Cox
Parker Joseph Cistarek
Emily Fishman Matthew Schmidt. Thank you for your money. I
Got Madison Rose
Char Scott Ryan
Christophe Kubicki Lucy Warman Eric Taylor Bailey collage
Stephanie Zell's
Tyler Haas Christopher Hubbard Jill Citrone
Margarita Sanders
Like Margarita Sanders
In an intervention right now for her alcoholism like it was a cute name for a while that she legally changed her name to Margarita
Oh, I love the drink, and I like the politics
Carolina Wendy picnic I
Hope that's a real last name
We're from a long line of Wendy picnics. This is Ted Wendy picnic. I'm Robert Wendy picnic Samantha Wendy picnic
Deanna gonna say that's a bummer. What's worse than a Wendy picnic? He got chips going everywhere. Oh, that's true
Deanna Gordon Carl Tewel Cole Geisman Emma Murray
Stefan
Stephen Hendrickson Diana Masoner Victor Lopez and Aaron Jacobson. All right. I got one more list here
We got Patricia Jurgalette your Ursula Juggalette. No Jurgalette j u r g e l e i t Jurgalette
Patricia Ursula Sackowitz
Denise Ball Bay Holt Denise Ball Bay Holt and a baddorf and a baddorf
Daniel Perez David Moore Connor Peter Jeffreys Simon Simon Dowd
Ali Kaluzny Morgan goats John Rogan Serena
Jason Aqua Viva Aqua Viva. That's amazing Jason Aqua Viva
Athens Taktak Amanda talk or talk
Daniel Ponzi oh Matt and Thulsner Matt and Thulsner ladies and gentlemen
Pascal Labante Cloutierre Cloutierre Cloutierre Cloutierre. Oh, this one. Oh, this is more of a statement
Miranda, I think you guys are all sexy Ben Kissel. I'll wet your whistle PSL
MDR, I think we lost a little bit, but that's nice there
Ken Thompson and Sonia Christensen
Uh to round it up. I got Alicia Dirick Kristen Crowley Kyle Brannon Jonathan Trampour
Mandy Bowles Heather Butler Emma Cozy Amy Braun Amber Utley Dee Erdine
Renee Rafat Greg Jamie Peterson Allie Latrell
Katie Kathy Shriver Chris Baum BK Jenkins Adam Stereha
Chris Lewis Dominique Connoisselli, okay, and Joe Klein Volta Rink. Thank you all so much
You're the only reason this has been made possible and we love you. Give me more of your money
Don't demand it. Don't demand it. Trust me. Trust me with your money. I will be over trust you with their money
What is what's the best thing that you spent money on Henry?
Hmm the sound hood the sound hood that I'm currently in work that works for the show
Okay, if I can give everyone a little bit, you know if I could tell them what I spend my money on I
Was able to get in visa line this week. He did. He's his teeth are fucking horrible
You're gonna lose that
It's gonna be great. You're gonna have so much pain. I've been waiting. I got an email from my
Dentist that they were doing half off and visa line this week and I said, you know what the patreon money
Has allowed me to do this. So I'm gonna get my teeth fixed
That's amazing. You're gonna hear me talk about that for the next year. Can't wait to hear you talk about teeth
Honestly, I'm looking forward to you being well and being happy and being fulfilled
That's right. Hey as as we say to with all of you as well. Hail yourselves. Hail satan
Hail again. Well, just tell me. Oh my god selection to a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit
Give me your money. Oh, give it to me. My goose deletions. Oh