Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 276: Oklahoma Part III - Follow the Guillotines

Episode Date: July 13, 2017

On part three of our four part series, we give you a short history of the white supremacy groups Timothy McVeigh may have been involved with, follow McVeigh on his gun show adventures, and introduce a curious little town in Oklahoma called Elohim City featuring a gangly buck toothed German named Andreas Strassmeir. Modern Jazz Samba Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Beachfront Celebration Kevin MacLeod (incomp

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Baby driver, the wind chills up where he can't see. Oh, where is your mommy? Goo Goo Gaga. Very creative. So I take it you saw the movie Baby Driver and you adapted Holy Diver as the song? Yes. Very good Ben, thank you for explaining that to all of our listeners at home.

It's important that I guide them. I will say that Baby Driver has made me drive much more aggressively but better. Oh, right? No, terrible. Absolutely not. It's horrifying to drive with you. And speaking of horrifying, terrible baby drivers or the very least emotionally stunted drivers, Timothy McVeigh, we're on to Oklahoma City Part 3. Now before we rejoin Timmy's adventure through the world of white supremacy. No, is it going to be as cute as we thought?

Not cute at all? Yes. We need to give a short history of some of the organizations McVeigh got involved with. Our aim over the next couple of episodes is to show the connections between Timothy McVeigh and some of these groups and individuals and just why none of them were ever convicted or even arrested for these connections. And that is because that the US government was afraid to incite the coming rebellion of these brave soldiers of the patriot movement.

I think the US government was just waiting for their cholesterol to finally give them a heart attack for their high cholesterol. And I guess the war started when America allowed the country to be run on Duncan. Oh, yeah. I love Duncan. The funny thing is, you're really not that far off. Now the modern roots of these people begin with an organization called the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, or CSA for short. I don't really understand how you can have some badass weird Bavarian army name

and then change it to a thing that sounds like a community-run grocery store. Yeah, it sounds like a bad pharmacy. The CSA actually started off as a relatively peaceful but still super racist organization called Zarapath Horeb. Can it be a relatively peaceful racist organization? Yeah, there's plenty of laziest shit racist around the country. Around the world. My father's still alive. He was a very active racist with the NYPD.

He was a lazy racist. Pacifist racist. But in the late 70s, the rhetoric for the CSA turned apocalyptic when they started subscribing to the Christian identity movement and members started to believe that the only way to save the world was to kill every living Jew on earth. Good Lord. For those that don't know, Eric Rudolph, the Olympic bombing in Atlanta in 1996, he was a member of this group, so they were very influential.

You're scum. Yes. The Christian identity movement is an unsurprisingly anti-Semitic and racist brand of Christianity that believes that the lost tribes of Israel are actually European whites. It's a very interesting twist. I'm going to show them. And the Jews are actually the satanic offspring of Eve and the serpent. What?

I don't want to get into this, but like, Jesus was Jewish. Well, no. Shut up, Kyle. How dare you? How dare you? Did you not notice all of those pictures in the church you went to growing up? He was white in every single one of those. Well, my church actually, my church did a good middle ground. In a creative player, he's like a five.

Now, this whole idea survives to this day. The Christian identity movement still thrives in America. Some of the Christian identity groups currently operating are the Diving International Church of the Web out of Morton, Illinois. Jesus Christ. The Yahushua Dual Seed Christian Identity Ministry in Livingston, Texas. Uh-huh. And Euro Folk Radio out of Chicago.

Euro Folk Radio sounds like what the last surviving members of Yola Tango, like what kind of band they would make nowadays. Now, they actually, they prefer to non-whites as the mud peoples. We don't. No, absolutely not. They do. They prefer to non-white, non-Jews as mud people because the Jews came after the, came after the garden

because they are the offspring of even Satan. Non-whites are the, quote unquote, mud people that were created before Adam and Eve, the so-called first drafts of humanity. We don't say that. No, we don't say that. So these are the horrible people that were influencing Timothy McVeigh throughout this time.

Well, they weren't necessarily influencing Timothy McVeigh. They were influencing the people that influenced Timothy McVeigh. The Christian identity movement is very nebulous. It's more of a thing that people subscribe to rather than there being like a Christian identity leader. There were guys in the beginning that started this, but by the time Timothy McVeigh came around, this stuff was just sort of Bible truths

with a lot of white supremacist groups. This Christian identity was boldedly to the modern white supremacist movements John Lennon. What do you mean? I don't know. Now, each group that subscribes to Christian identity kind of differ slightly on exactly how they believe the world will end, but most theories include a race war

or a UN takeover of the United States backed by the Jewish cabal, which these days is usually codeworded as globalist. G20 and all those sorts of events that happen on an international scale. One of my questions is, these are like fat, local yokels. How did they think they would actually win, said race war? Can you imagine?

It's just a bunch of... If all people of color come together, they would pummel the living crap out of these people. Ben? Ben? Honestly, they believed that ideas would catch like a virus. That's sort of what the Turner Diaries came from. When I watched a documentary by the guy here

with the anarchist cookbook, the same exact thing. You start with one little thing and they figured the Turner Diaries basically says, the steps for all of this, is that once you start the race war, everyone in America is going to be so excited and relieved that finally it's begun. They're going to follow these guys. In other words, they believe that eventually

their ideas will be normalized. Well, and to some degree we see that happening right now in this country. We're seeing a lot of this stuff. This whole normalization of racism, this normalization of xenophobia. This was the plan all along. Interesting. Henry referenced

a documentary, American Terrorist. Check it out on Netflix all about the guy who wrote the anarchist cookbook. Now, of course, all this racist and anti-Semitic stuff, it goes hand in hand with extreme anti-government rhetoric. Every single one of these Christian identity assholes, they hate the government

and they have a million conspiracies to go along with it. And I'm fine with that too. I understand it just came from Vermont and they hate the government, but the way they protest is by wearing hiking sandals and showing the world their toes. Yeah, absolutely. Well, one of the first men out of this movement

to put all that rhetoric into practice was a man named Gordon Kahl. And I'll give you three guesses as to how his revolution against the government went. He won. You got to eat at a waffle house, go do horrible things in the waffle house bathroom, and then, I don't know,

find a lot lizard. Killed in a violent shootout. He was. In 1983, Gordon Kahl protesting taxes was killed in a violent shootout with government agents just an hour and a half away from CSA headquarters.

Now, you say protesting taxes, but what that actually means is that he just didn't fill out the paperwork for his taxes. He just didn't do taxes. This is exactly how he wanted to die, right? Yeah, I mean, all of these guys, that's what all of these guys want. They want to be a martyr.

That's why all these cults, all of these Christian identity places, that's why they're all so apocalyptic. They want to be special. They want to be a part of the end time. Timotheming Ve is constantly, as we'll go through in this episode, in the next episode, Timotheming Ve,

he constantly references movies. He wanted to be a part of the Turner Diaries. These people are so desperate for some sort of meaning that they essentially put themselves into this story. Mm-hmm. Now, the extreme right after Gordon Kahl now believed that the government was coming for each and every one of them,

and the time had come to seriously arm themselves. And in order to arm themselves, they needed money. And tax-free, more importantly, than robbing banks. All this criminal activity drew the attention of the FBI, which led to Operation Clean Sweep.

On April 19th, 1985, 10 years to the day before Oklahoma City, federal agents raided the CSA compound on weapons charges. And when it was all said and done, the FBI said that that hall was among the largest stockpiles of weapons

they had ever confiscated. They had a collection. You know what I mean? Have a dabbling. Have a sample plate of guns, like a Derringer. You can even have many bows and arrows if you're Native American. Yeah, or Bo Jackson.

Bo Jackson has a lot of bows and arrows. That's how you exercise. You know what I mean? But just don't stockpile them. Now, the CSA also began their rhetoric because when they were just Zarapath-Horab, they were just a separatist movement. The whole idea was to create a whites-only group that never existed, the blonde one never existed,

unless he got a permanent. Maybe. If he did, that's a different story. But they shifted into the CSA when they created, basically, they did the same thing that Ohm-Shinorikio did where they kicked in the new endings of the story, which is there's going to be a race war

and we have to prepare for it because they're going to come for it. And every single time one of these compounds says that the government is going to come and destroy us, they set it up so that the government comes and destroys them. I do like Operation Clean Sweep because it sounds like a supermarket competitive game show where it's like you've got to get a lot of groceries

and you've got to get Pace Picante. That's your $50 winner. But it's just Mark Summers doing it in his own home because of his horrible OCD. Mark Summers unwrapped and double-dare fame. But it's also funny to me that these people are like whites only. Were there a bunch of people of color knocking on the doors, trying to be a part of their...

They're going to go to the weird Appalachia. They're shacks. This is the other thing too. All of these guys live horribly. Yeah, exactly. No one's knocking down the doors to join. Well, Operation Clean Sweep could have easily turned into a bloodbath. Of course, there was a huge standoff.

But the whole thing was negotiated by a man named Robert Millar who is the founder and patriarch of a bizarre little community in eastern Oklahoma named Elohim City. It's disgusting. There's weird footage of it where it shows them the CSA compound

and then goes over to Elohim City and it shows their training grounds and it's just mud and like weird daffodils. It's all mud. Elohim City is right on the Oklahoma, Arkansas state line and shares a county with towns like

Chewy, Titanic, Peavan, and Greasy, Oklahoma. Greasy, Oklahoma. So it combines the worst parts of Oklahoma and Arkansas? Yes. Wow. It's greasy to the west and the Ozarks to the east.

You know, good thing it was whites only because people were desperate to get there until they found out. You gotta go to Crisco, Tennessee. That's where you gotta go. Get all your lipids. In 1973, Robert Millar traveled to Oklahoma with around

18 followers to found Elohim City. Most of those 18 followers were directly related to Robert Millar by either birth or marriage. These guys lived a true white separatist lifestyle. They ran on sundial time. They followed the Hebrew calendar

and they used glass beads that they called glows for currency. You know, for a fact, they were trying to figure out what freaking time it was for like 30 minutes and he's like, can I just look at my watch? No, no, we're doing it the way the bubble did it. It's a brand new Casio.

If a bird chirps three times it could be one o'clock or it could just be that the bird is hungry. Aw, damn it. It's 4.13, I just looked at my watch. And Cheaton, Hitler would take one look at fucking Elohim City. He's like, burn it down. Now, these guys, of course, they started with 18

people by in about, I don't know, within 10, 20 years. They had a population of a little less than 100. So to go from 18 to 100 in just about 20 years, I mean, we're talking embryos and polygamists here. They all shared a tooth.

Yeah. You should try my cousin Dolly, that best part about she's a wide set. So you can get three fathers in her at once. I was actually going to recommend that you try her too. She's both of our cousins. Once again. Once again, friends,

cousins, best friends, lovers, two gay men out here in the forest trying to make a child with each other even though it's impossible, even though I read the book somewhere, if you just love me hard enough we could grow a baby inside of my belly. Do you ever think that we really made a mistake isolating ourselves from the rest of the country

and sort of like spewing hatred all over the place? Yes, I do. Well, all these people, they lived at the behest of Robert Millar. For example, the church where they congregated every day was shaped like an igloo because Millar didn't like straight lines or right angles in his building.

Him and Steve Jobs. Yeah, I guess not. For almost 10 years, the Elohimites lived an extremely racist, idiotic yet still peaceful life until Robert Millar attended the National Covenant Sword and Arm Convocation in nearby Bull Shoals

Lake Arkansas. Now, the Covenant swords and the Arm of Lord all mean the reason why they changed their name is that the Covenant is the promise that they made to God, that they would recreate white society and end white genocide. The sword was the instrument

of God's justice, the idea that God was angry and looking for retribution against humankind. And the arm of the Lord was they were the arm of the Lord. Oh, good. You know, it's interesting. White genocide, for those that don't know either, it's basically interracial

marriage. Yeah, it's the thing that makes our DNA stronger that's going to allow our fucking evolution is what they're talking about. Well, that's a big thing about the Christian identity movement and this is one of the ways that they kind of get around like they're like, well, we ain't haters, we don't hate nobody. We just believe that everybody should be kept separate

because how they get around that is they say that mixing races makes both races weaker. That's so interesting. It's definitely not true. Time and time again, look at Steph Curry, Barack Obama. Yeah, never. Well, at the CSA Convocation, Millar met CSA

founder James Ellison and compared to Millar, Ellison was a hard-core motherfucker. He joined forces with another neo-Nazi group called the Order who together waged what's known in white supremacist circles as the War of 84 and that involved bank robberies,

fire bombings and straight-up assassinations. These guys killed people. Domestic terrorism. These guys were proto-domestic terrorists. One former CSA member actually said Millar taught CSA about God

and they taught Millar about guns and then Jenny told me how to dance or how to dangle. Well, I don't enjoy your character maligning the great Forrest Gump who would never be a racist, he loved all.

Even though he was the ancestor, he was named after Nathan Bedford Forrest. Again, we should not be maligning the great memory of Forrest Gump, the man who gave us the smiley face t-shirt. Is he dead? I don't know what he's up to in the movie. Forrest Gump, this may be true

or not true or completely false or totally, I don't know, I believe he was killed by a giant monkey at the end of the book. In Gump? No, because there was a sequel called Gump & Company which I actually read. There was actually a sequel called Gump & Company in which Forrest Gump, Raquel Welch

and a monkey went into space together. I believe he was murdered in space by this monkey. We are scrapping this entire episode and we are just talking about this from now on. He was not murdered in space by the monkey after they got back from space. Forrest Gump and the monkey went

on a road trip together all every which way but loose. This is like the worst version of the Silmarillion. Do you remember that? Gump & his monkey. That's incredible. After the CSA and Elohim City hooked up,

Elohim City became a kind of spiritual refuge for a string of white supremacist criminals throughout the 80s and 90s. Elohim City is also the burial ground of a one Richard Wayne who is now... Elohim City technically is not

a terrorist cell or a terrorist group. It was just a place where Robert Millar would just cover his eyes and be like, anybody is free to live here as long as you're white and you believe in Christian identity and you're probably connected to one of these various hate groups. I would assume the FBI was monitoring this group

fairly closely under a terrorist watch. Get into that. Next episode we will get into that because they did have informants and then the CIA on a deep covert mission I don't believe that. If you sheep dipped. Well, surprisingly in the 80s

it was actually very difficult for the FBI to commit domestic surveillance. Before 9-11, domestic surveillance was a very big no-no in the American intelligence community. We had co-intellipro programs like that. But we made it much easier now.

Because when we allowed 9-11 to happen the whole point was to create a mini-military state. Well, we did not allow 9-11 to happen. Well, we did. Go listen to 9-11 Part 2 for more information. Should have killed Osama Bin Laden. Susan Rice told Bill Clinton not to. We're not going to get into it.

Susan Rice, the in-rise sister? We're not going to get into it. National security advisor, we're not going to get into it. Now in 1983 a CSA member named Richard Wayne Snell began plans to blow up the mirror building in Oklahoma City with a rocket launcher. It's so dumb.

It's really blowing up the mirror building with a rider truck, right? That was an idea that also was around. But for some reason they thought it would be easier to just hand-build a rocket launcher because they couldn't get their hands on one. So the CSA said, we'll do it. It's like we got to know how.

We got the brain power. We got the boys in the field that know how to do this. They tried to build a rocket launcher. Killed two of them. They exploded in their hands. They were like, which way does the rocket go? It goes from a SpongeBob SquarePants. They're like, what are you working on?

It's just a stick person holding a rocket launcher with the building and just like little lines go into the Murrow Building. It's just wild fucking, wildly coyote John Candy. No way it's not going to work. No way. After the rocket went off in their hands

and killed two of them, they took that as a sign from God that the mirror building plan wasn't the best one. So they abandoned that. That's what God goes to. Now, Snell was joined in these plans by a former Klansman named Louis Beam. Beam was one of the earliest

proponents of a strategy called leaderless resistance. Same thing when I wrote Anarchist Cookbook. The idea is that anybody is now a part of the revolution if they just say they are. It's an ISIS idea too where you basically just pop up into little terrorist cells

and you're all serving one gigantic concept. ISIS has a very specific focus. These people, they speak with such broad strokes that it's a huge collective they can get. They have a fairly specific focus. So of course it is the specific focus is the

overthrow of the government. Just like ISIS, the whole focus is the destruction of western civilization. They pretty much, ISIS and these white supremacist groups have pretty much the same goal. They would actually be friends. They would be very much friends.

You know the views of Christianity in the extreme right and the Sharia law a lot of similarities. It's almost like all terrorists are the fucking same. Well they don't believe that the US government represents western civilization properly. So that's what they, so it's like.

ISIS? No, these white supremacists. They believe that they were just run by Jewish quote unquote cabals and it's enforced by black people and that they're trying to do white genocide. They're trying to get rid of the white race which is like it's not true. They're trying to get themselves blowing themselves up with a homemade rocket launcher.

Yeah, leaderless resistance pretty much. It's small groups of people that are all invested in a cause and they engage in terroristic acts of their own volition without taking orders from a higher power. And if they don't take orders from a higher power and if they're operating almost randomly then that means that there's a much lower chance

of them getting caught before the entire operation is carried out. That's one of the reasons why a lot of these ISIS attacks have been so difficult that people aren't taking orders from it. Like Omar Mateen was not taking orders from anyone when he burst into the Pulse Nightclub. He was just inspired.

And then all you have to do is like running a McDonald's franchise. And honestly... It's just like it. They definitely franchise out their terrorism. That's for sure. That was a horrible tragedy at the Pulse Nightclub. Of course it was. Now Lewis Beam, the guy that came up with leaderless resistance, he runs free to this day.

Because ideas are not illegal. Oh, of course not. Or Wayne Snell did do something illegal. He was convicted and sentenced to death in Arkansas for the murder of a Black state trooper as well as a palm broker whom Snell erroneously believed to be Jewish. And years later,

Snell's execution date was set for... Wait for it. April 19th, 1995. Wait a second. That's a crazy coincidence, Marcus. There's like no way that that could have anything to do with the Oklahoma City bombing. Just because it's the same day

and it's the anniversary of Waco and it's the anniversary of Patriot Day. It's Patriot Day, which is a celebration of the first shot of the revolutionary war, which for some reason these fucking white idiots all think is a special holy day even though it was all British people

who did it in the first place. Just a coincidence, I guess. It drives me nuts when you see these white supremacists like this person who wasn't Jewish, he thought was Jewish. It happens with Sikhs on a regular basis. They get called Muslim and things like that. So they're so ignorant and stupid. It's infuriating.

10 days before Wayne Snell's execution, he told Agar that between that day and the day of his death, there would be hell to pay. How did Snell know this if he was on death row? Well, he and Louis Beam stayed close to the end. Also, he had just eaten a burrito bowl from Chipotle

and he knew that there would be some hell to pay, but he met himself and also he specifically just met his butt. I did have a lot of Taco Bell today, but that reference hits close to home. We all had a lot of Taco Bell today. Now, three weeks before the bombing, Louis Beam gave Wayne Snell's wife

a message to pass on that said, How am I getting this coming on the day of his death, Mrs. Snell? So gross. Beam also told a career criminal named Robert Boyd that something big would happen

in Oklahoma City, Denver, or Dallas on the anniversary of Waco. All cities that we know for a fact that McVay considered for the bombing. Something big? Is Rush getting back together? Wow. That'd be great. Now, when Boyd asked Beam what something

big meant, Beam said it was going to be close to what Earl Turner pulled off in the Turner Diaries. And when Boyd asked who was going to play the part of Earl, Beam said, They've got some kid who's going to do something. Whatever it is, I'm sure

you'll make a splat. I'm enjoying the old-timey showbiz feel here. I can see the plot. Well, I know. They've got a home lordy lord. Can you imagine how much hair you can get on the very top of a pin of a man's

pin-headed, shaped hair? I'll tell you how much. Seven ounces. And it is a miracle to behold. Good brush cut. And it was said by one of Wayne Snell's guards that on the morning of his death, Snell requested a television be brought into his cell.

Snell turned on the news and when he saw coverage of the bombing, it said that Snell smiled and chuckled to himself, nodding his head in agreement. I always imagine it's the same like smile and chuckle as when they tell them in the folder's commercials that it's folder's crystals and not normal coffee.

Look at that. No idea. And after Snell was executed, his remains were taken to Elohim City by Robert Millar and buried there. When Robert Millar died, he was buried right next

to Wayne Snell. Right on top of him. Face to face, dick to dick. I actually heard maybe possibly 69 positions. Oh wow. I do love the idea of just like meaningless surprises. That's margarine, that's not butter. It's technically

a bit of a left hook there. That's the noise you make when you really want to say who gives a shit. But it is still kind of interesting. I have to act impressed here, but that was his reaction to the Murrow building exploding. That's how crazy this guy was.

I'll tell you what. Get the hell away from me. Trying to watch television. There we go. One more thing to cover before we get back to McVeigh. In 1988, seven members of the Aryan Nations went on trial for sedition,

but the people who testified were mostly former members who turned states evidence, and so the jurors didn't find them credible. Also, the Aryan Nations was a group of, so you've heard the term Aryan Nations before, and that is obviously the white power,

that is obviously the white power gang you hear about in prison all the time. Now what they did is they did a prison outreach and they would go into prisons, people that were members of the Aryan Nations that were arrested, would be in prison basically saying, hey, if you join this gang, come join their leaderless revolution outside of prison when you get out

and we'll give you a job, we'll give you a place to stay, and it was a weird sort of rehab program that just turned you into a soldier, and it was started by a guy named Geert. G-I-R-N-T was his name, and he was also a part of a group called the Silver Shirts, which was an American Nazi group

that started in the 1940s during World War II. This shit has been going on for a long time. Oh yeah, yeah. And in fact, those people weren't those the ones that built the Nazi compound out here in California? Yes, there is a compound like two or three hours north of LA that is

just a castle, and it's got a swatch to get in it, and they blew up most of the rest of it, but it's all covered in Ivy, and that was supposed to be Hitler's summer home when the Nazis won World War II. Oh, okay. Well, after that sedition trial completely failed, all seven of those guys that were on trial

were set free, but in their minds, the government had once again declared war, and so recruitment began, and groups like the CSA and the contingent in Elohim City started looking for young men with military experience. Specifically, they were looking for men like Timothy McVeigh.

It is so interesting. Ruby Ridge, the same situation. The man was found innocent. The main character, the main person involved in that story. These people were found innocent. The Bundy Klan, for a reason, white people actually get off on this stuff.

They don't get to actually found guilty. They were actually enjoying white privilege, the concept of white privilege. They were enjoying it. They were getting it. They were getting complete passes. They still thought that they were being slighted, because again, they thought that they were disenfranchised, and they were owed more. They thought that they were worth more, and they should

get more from the fucking United States government, which is just not how it goes. This is America. Everybody's exactly the same, unless you are O.J. Simpson. Everyone is exactly the same. He's the only one that can get away with it. He's the only one that can truly get away with it, but it's very interesting. Look at all the seeds.

It started in 1983. Wayne Snell had the idea to blow up the Murrow Building. They had set it up. They tried to do it once before, and they didn't. Now, all of these different groups are coordinating and circling and trying to look for the right guy. You wonder, and then you have Timothy McVeigh who shows up at the very end of all of this,

who says, I was a loner and no one told me how to do anything. This is the seed. This is literally the string of events. Now, let's get back to Timothy McVeigh. In February of 1993, right after McVeigh lost a thousand bucks betting on the ill-fated Buffalo Bills.

We mentioned O.J. Simpson. He was a Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill. Wow. They're kind of like America's curse team. Everyone in Buffalo believes that they would be accurate. I feel like they should just shudder it. They should just close down the stadium and just... The Buffalo Bills or shudder Buffalo New York?

Both. But they got the wings. They have a police station that's overcome by raccoons. What? Their police station has a massive raccoon problem. It's kind of fun. After that, Timothy left Pendleton, New York

and landed in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. There, while attending what else but a gun show, McVeigh met Roger Moore, owner of the American Assault Company nicknamed the Candy Store. So cute. Moore was one of the many strange, minor players

in the Oklahoma City saga whom we will return to later. While McVeigh was hanging out with Moore in Florida, the siege on the Branch Davidian compound began. After obsessing over the news for a few days, McVeigh decided to drive to Waco to witness all this shit

firsthand. McVeigh drove to Waco and parked a few miles away on a hill. The closest spot the FBI would let the public get to the compound. You could barely see it off in the distance. I think it was, what, two or three miles away from the actual Waco compound.

And this is where all the dipshits, like McVeigh, all sort of gathered. There, McVeigh set up a small shop of anti-government pamphlets and bumper stickers on the hood of his 1987 geo-spectrum that he had dubbed the Road Warrior. See, I see if you have a geo-spectrum

it should be more called the Road Warrior. Warrior? Warrior. The Road Warrior. It's going to break down. Perhaps it doesn't work very well. You'll be like, oh, no. Oh, I'm likely enough for the other cars. Oh, no. The Road Warrior.

You know, these events, Ruby Ridge, Waco, these are bug lights for these white supremacists. This is their, you know, their Woodstock. It's very interesting what they're drawn to. I tell you, after spending that time we did in the UK, it's just so easy to get white people to group up. You just get a fiddle. I don't grill meat.

Honestly, we were in the UK and someone was playing a fiddle on the street and then I looked down and I was dancing. And I didn't even... My knees are going up past my hips. There's something about a fiddle in white people. I didn't know I was moving. Oh, yeah, you get a guy on a fiddle playing popcorn. I am going to dance all night long.

I couldn't stop moving. You do dances called like the shaky knees. Like some of the cartoony skeletons dance to in old racist cartoons. You know what? I don't ever remember there being a skeleton in any old racist cartoon. Every old cartoon with a skeleton and it was nothing but joyful.

That's right. And we're all just skeletons. That's right. So think about that. Oh, my God. Out in Waco, McVeigh, of course, he wasn't the only nut back there. He was joined by Lewis Beam. Now, we don't actually know if

Timothy McVeigh and Lewis Beam ever met, but we do know that McVeigh sure as hell followed Beam's strategies, specifically leaderless resistance. Well, I got to tell you something, boy. You got a tiny mouth and tiny eyes and you got a head shape like an old man and I got to say, you yelled with the best

of them. I like it here. So McVeigh left Waco after a couple days and went on the road selling the Turner Diaries and other survivalist gear at gun shows. Because remember, Waco, the siege lasted like two months. I do love the idea that it's like guns, knives.

This is our book section. It's just the Turner Diaries. There's more knives and guns over there. Oh, wait. I do have a one summer edition of Mad Magazine. You've got to laugh. You've got to laugh. Timothy McVeigh would attend 80 gun shows overall

spending his days talking to like-minded individuals and his nights listening to Patriot talk shows on his shortwave radio. These guys are so fucking boring. It is very boring, yeah. Now McVeigh eventually made his way to visit his old army buddy Michael Forty-A

in Kingman, Arizona, which would become a sort of touchstone location for Timothy McVeigh over the next couple of years. Of course, Forty-A and McVeigh shared all the same dumb shit ideas they had in the army, and Forty-A was still the same old fuck-up he'd always been. In fact, it was Forty-A who introduced

McVeigh to meth, which Timothy used to fuel his frequent cross-country road trips. So how does that go when you introduce somebody to meth? Timothy, this is my friend meth. Meth, this is Tim. Hey, buddy, yeah, yeah, man. You like to feel like you're made of the mugs

like the hookey-bookey man, like before Christmas, man. I'm your fucking ticket, dude. I do. Michael, thanks so much for introducing me to meth. Yeah, right. It's kind of fun. Let's get some potato chips, but first let's kill a police officer. Cool, friend. Now, in April of 1993, McVeigh had at East to Tulsa

where he attended Wan and Mocker's world's largest gun and knife show, which still happens annually to this day. Again, I feel like we are poo-pooing gun and knife shows, but they are fun. I would love, I'm a total proponent of the Second Amendment, but you just

have to be reasonable. Yes, of course, be reasonable. But I would love to get one of those guys you have to lay in your tummy and then you shoot at them. There you go, comedy bloggers. There you go, gatekeepers of Hollywood. No, according to the website for the Wan and Mocker world's largest gun and knife show, according to the rules,

you can conceal and carry, but you can't have a loaded gun. So, if you're too afraid to walk from your car to the door of the convention center without a loaded gun, you can leave your ammo at the door of the guards. Okay, okay, let me check that gun.

Give me your ammo, okay. Now have your gun kiss my gun. Very European. Like you do little like French kisses tapping the barrels? Yes. One Mocker site says if all the 2,800 tables were stretched end to end, they would cover 5.7 miles.

So, if that's too much for you to walk. It definitely is for the majority of these members. Then you will be pleased to know you can rent a scooter for 65 bucks a day or 150 dollars for all three days. If I wanted to be physical, I wouldn't need all these damn guns. Now here, and only for

15 bucks, you can rent my nephew's scooter, who will carry you back and forth across the house. I'll do it. I love to carry all of what I live for. He's strong. I'll do it. Man, your butt smells funny.

I like this kid. He's a funny talkie. I'm laughing. Seat with personality. Now gun shows weren't necessarily where McVay was radicalized, but they were certainly where his views were normalized. Solidified, yeah. Well, not all people at gun shows are

racist white separatists. It's safe to say that gun shows are a place where racist white separatists feel comfortable. Sure. I mean, if you look at the pictures for these gun shows, and I've also been to a fair amount of these sorts of events myself, there is always a Nazi memorabilia table,

sometimes multiple Nazi memorabilia tables. And when they're selling that Nazi flag, right next to it is a KKK flag, right next to it is a Confederate flag, and right next to that is a fucking American flag. I guess they are allowed to sit and talk about their beliefs and the thing that they're interested in. That's kind of, that's a part of what this country is about.

Of course. You're supposed to be able to sit and talk about it. The problem, it's just, it is true. It does make these guys more brazen, especially in this environment, especially when you're literally going to places in a time period when the CSA and the order and the Aryan nations were actively recruiting people at gun shows. And this is what makes it, this

is why it's so difficult for the FBI to tell when is someone actually going to go into the realm of reality, into action. It's really difficult to know the tipping point. Yeah, it really is. Now, places like Wannenmacher McVeigh talked to other gun lovers about conspiracy theories, namely the conspiracy theory that the Jewish back

U.N. was coming to take over the United States, which is a little chestnut, you might remember, from our previous discussion about the Christian identity movement. One of the people McVeigh talked to about this at Wannenmacher was a gangly bucktoothed German expat named Andrea Strassmayer,

a.k.a. Andy the German. They called me Andy the German because of my last name and my heritage and surveys that I walk. That makes sense. It looks like I'm kicking, but I'm walking. You have a bunch of sauerkraut on your face. Oh no that is not, that is his skin disease.

Oh, man. Strassmayer was said to be the grandson of one of the earliest members of the Nazi party. He had a membership card number lower than even that of Hitler. Wow. Did they just go around smelling cards like that kids in the

hall sketch? And Strassmayer's father was a top 8 to Helmut Kohl, who oversaw the reunification of East and West Germany. I thought Helmut Kohl invented the sash or something. I thought it was like a fashion designer. A lot of fashion people in the Nazi world. You know what, I might

have been confused in my Kohl's here. Like Kohl from Kohl's. I might even be confused in my Helmets. I'm sure somebody on Twitter would call me an idiot and let me know about it. Alright, thank you Twitter. Now for his part, Strassmayer is a former German army officer who first came to the US to participate

as a Civil War reenactor during the 125th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg. Hello, thank you for having me from all the way from Germany here in Virginia. And the first thing I have to say is I know you have too many artillery men and too many generals and too many admirals and all sorts of people who are high in the brass

but I am the first to volunteer. I replay a horse. Yeah. Push me in a horse costume and you will see I am the most vigilant of horses. There's no Germans during the Civil War. No, I know unless you count horses. There's many Bavarian clinkles. That's the type of horse and cronkles. That's

the type of horse and ripples. That's the type of horse. It's so cute. It's got big doll's eyes. But oh, it can only run for 50 feet and it's made of cotton candy. It's actually, it's a candy. I like ripples. Ruffles, fluffles and ronkles are where they are going to name my dogs. Now, after

the Civil War reenactment was over, Andy stayed in the United States with hopes of getting work with the DEA because he had been in the German Special Forces. But, of course, all of his contacts fell through. Andy then floated around the United States, staying on the couches of fellow

Civil War reenactors, staying up all night, painting toy soldiers. Nobody wanted him around. He was abrasive, he was condescending, he was clumsy, he was constantly breaking shit and every time he broke something he would just start screaming German swear words. Oh, inappropriate.

Yes, but it's also, he was supposed to be like the heritage of Nazi Germany, you know what I mean? He's supposed to be like... He was the only German they knew. So he just paints toy figurines like Kevin Spacey and House of Cards and just bores the hell out of everyone. I'm just going to say sometimes Civil War reenactors

should use real bullets. Eventually, Strasmeyer was dumped off on Robert Millar in Elohim City. And Strasmeyer thought that he had found paradise. He lived off homemade bread, he hunted deer, and he ate all the

expired almond butter he could stand, which was provided for some reason to Elohim City directly by the now-disgraced evangelist Tony Alamo, who was later convicted on child pornography charges. Many questions here. One, why did Tony Alamo have

so much expired almond butter? No idea. Two, why did Tony Alamo only give it directly to Elohim City? And three, was he giving it to more white separatist communities besides just Elohim City? Yeah, what about the Quibono? Follow the

almond butter. Follow the bad expired almond butter. What is even expired almond butter? I didn't really could be a thing. I didn't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't understand this whole almond thing. You can't milk them, but that's a whole other conversation. All things expired. No, it's not almond milk, it's almond butter. It's peanut butter made out of almonds. Oh...

Yuck. Eventually, Strasmeyer appointed himself head of paramilitary training in Elohim City. And while the people coming in and out of Elohim City were hardcore criminals, the standing force was pretty much just a bunch of teenagers marching around with

shitty guns trying to look important. Stand up tight, stand up tight, wipe the almond butter mustache off, alright? What do you think? Oh, that's not this is not almond butter. No, it's not. Is this deer shit? Tell me corporal, have you

been eating deer shit? Nah, yeah. Nah, yes. I'm proud of you. A true survivalist will eat whatever is available. These guys, I mean, even though it doesn't sound that impressive, they're still scary. You know, it's a bunch of guys with guns. They would definitely be able to do damage

and they would definitely murder all of us in any sort of fight. But we don't have enough guns. Exactly. We'll go to a gun show. This is how it starts. This is how it begins. But these guys were definitely not the type of people that would be able to overthrow the United States government. No, they were just goofy and they were technically

blowing off steam in a way. They were out there just kind of running weird exercises but also Strasmeyer talked a big game. When he showed up, he said he basically told them, I am working for the government. I'm a double agent. I'm working for you. I'm going to tell you what the government is. Meanwhile, he was also desperately still

trying to work for the government because when he got to Elohim City, he told the DEA, I'll tell you everything that's going on in here. He was ready to sell them out for a second but they wouldn't have him. I wonder why. No, so at Juan and Mocker, Strasmeyer bought McVeigh's

Desert Storm uniform for $2 and sold McVeigh and nice. The best part about this uniform is I can cut off the sleeves and I can cut off the leg pants and I make a sort of romp him. I get a sort of lovely little romp and I can dance on. It's a good time for my knees. So it's show my knees, my beautiful knees. I use the

most beautiful knees outside of Germany. Look how they are like little rugged little men. Sharp knees. The two bonded over Waco while having a nice day walking around the gun show together. Day or on a date. And at the end of the day

Strasmeyer gave McVeigh a card with the phone number and the address of Elohim City even though Strasmeyer was only given the card by Malar to ensure that Strasmeyer didn't forget how to get back home the other day. Timothy got a phone number. He got a phone number.

We really don't know if Strasmeyer was looking to recruit or if he was just looking for a friend but it was probably both. Well apparently Strasmeyer was told he was apparently given a number of cards after the first one and he was looking for select people according to him which if you pass

muster with Strasmeyer you must be a true true member of the Patriot movement. I think now we're seeing this right? Timothy McVeigh probably spoke to Louis B. He probably heard when by Louis B.'s desk

because one thing these guys are all good at for some reasons is networking. So he walked over there with that group. Network because there's not that many of them and they're all hanging out at the same places. Yes and yelling at the same like five 300 pound men and one skinny toothless woman. So now he met Strasmeyer

these things are certain to come together because I bet you Louis B. and people were talking about Elohim City this entire time. So now you have a guy that's essentially the Willy Wonka who's going to bring you into the chopper factory. I can't stop thinking about this date they had like sidewalks of New York you know their hands

just like brush they look at each other's eyes and they flirt by like slamming each other's faces into the pizza they're eating. They had 5.7 miles of gun tables to walk. Wow. It's so hard to open up it's so hard to trust another because I've been hurt before one time I dropped a bucket on my foot

and it hurt so bad and I was like oof bucket I'll never trust anyone ever again because then I meet you with a brush for a haircut and tiny mouth like this is a slit cut inside of a pumpkin. Well also at Wan and Mocker McVeigh hooked back up

with Roger Moore the gun store owner he'd met in Florida remember the candy store guy the two shared a table over the weekend and when it was all over more invited McVeigh to visit his ranch in Arkansas which more later came to regret and while they were there they did a little

light bartering which was the whole style of the gun show culture McVeigh traded his trusty white power shirt he'd gotten for free from his trial membership with the KKK for a smoke grenade and 250 foot lengths of fuse He got a grenade for a shirt?

Yeah I gotta say in the smoke grenade In the world's stupidest transaction Timothy McVeigh did a good job he got more There's a Canadian smoke grenade Still counts they have smoke there Well it's Hickory After 10 days at Moore's Ranch

McVeigh moved on to Michigan to meet back up with his future convicted accomplice in the April 19th bombing Terry Nichols And here's just a little bit about Terry Nichols He was the type of guy who unironically called people sheeple in casual conversation

Oh so our fan base As opposed to this man who was obviously such an independent thinker he could be convinced to do anything No he described himself as a quote Non-resident alien, non-foreigner and stranger to the current state of the forum

What is this current state of the forum? Something dumb Hey Terry shut up I'll only do it because I choose to Terry shut up Okay Terry No Nichols returned to the family farm in Michigan from his hardship discharge

from the army he and his brother renounced their US citizenship and decided the federal government had no authority specifically the authority to force Terry to pay his fucking child support payments It seems like the government has that exact authority This is the strange venn diagram

of like Timothy McVeigh and like the anti-war movement He's almost a hippie of the early 70s in some ways It's really strange in fact when Timothy McVeigh was on death row years later he actually shared a cell block with Ted Kaczynski and Ted Kaczynski described Timothy McVeigh

as liberal minded Oh my Wow Because they became friends Ted Kaczynski I actually feel bad for the concrete that has to be between them as they speak Think about this deal

with the anarchist cookbook It was written for the leftist movement in the 1960s but now it's used by the far right Yep absolutely In one court appearance Terry Nichols sat at the door of the courtroom and shouted at the judge because Nichols believed that if he didn't enter the courtroom

then the judge had no jurisdiction over him and therefore couldn't make him do anything He didn't want to You have no power over me judge out here You're wizard of law You can't come at me I'm poor salt around me Hey Terry I'm the judge Shut up

I'll do it because I say to myself I'll do it Terry you shut up listen to the judge I won't listen to the judge We'll listen to yourself Terry There we go The reason why Terry was in court that day was because he had ran up credit card debts of almost $26,000

and then when he got all the past due notices he sent all those back to Chase Bank with the words dishonored with due cause handwritten on them You see that's as good as money She is as stupid as Jim Carrey from Dumb and Dumber He actually had the mentality

of that's as good as money That's a Lamborghini right there You don't want to hold on to that Did he get enough Marlboro Miles that he bought with the credit card to get the jacket though? I would have gotten the raft but I am afraid of rivers and I would have gotten the jacket

but it's just warm where I am I'm a sweater all the time so instead I'll give this to the credit card companies and miss call it even Mr. Nichols as the judge before I tell you to shut up I do have to ask how many cartons of cigarettes did you buy with $26,000 Oh man it's like four

shut up Terry Terry you shut up Alright Terry I guess we are incriminating ourselves Yep we are looking like a big old sack of idiots you and me Yep Terry that is true Now this whole scheme was under the direction

of a local Michigan extremist preacher named Ralph Daigle who told Terry that since the banks weren't backing up their cash with gold or silver they were essentially defrauding people with every loan they made and in fact when Chase Bank

came after Terry Nichols Nichols argued in court that Chase actually owed him money and that they should immediately issue him 14,200 ounces of silver for fraud and misrepresentation Oh that's great Wow what a deal

He needs to get that new skidoo I don't get these people all these federal reserve people that say that paper money is worthless because it's backed by gold and silver money is worth something because we have all decided it is worth something just like gold and silver are worth something

because we decided they were worth something that gold had no intrinsic value before the modern age of electronics gold was always just something that we decided that's worth something we're going to use it for trade because it's shiny when we did first of all cash for gold that is just

absolutely brilliant like give us more cash and we'll give you less gold it's such a great money it's a great scheme but when the US did change from the gold standard and go with the confidence based economy we have now it was like extremely shocking to a lot of people but that's the thing this was

late 80's early 90's they had time to get used to the idea technically that's what Wizard of Oz was really about it was about the fed yes it was I could see that Wizard of Oz Wizard of Oz

it is about the silver standard because originally her shoes were not ruby they were silver she followed the yellow brick road using silver shoes and so who's the wicked witch of the west am I getting it am I getting it

I'm getting hooked in right now we got the hook seven the witch was the juice shocking that these people might think that well in other words these guys are fucking peas in a pod and the Nichols Family Farm was the perfect place for McVay to hang out

for a while especially since Michigan in the early 90's was to militias what Seattle was to grunge Tim here's a cup of coffee you can join it yeah it's good yeah thanks what if I told you that it was not coffee at all it's actually folders crystals stabs him 30 frickin times

that's wow shut up Terry only because you tell me to I do listen to my family and McVay and Nichols became so close that Marifay who you will remember was Nichols mail ordered bride

started getting jealous of their relationship but that still didn't stop Marifay from having a brief affair with Timothy McVay the next year I want to vomit in my mouth thinking about this sleeping with him and he has his idea of him talking

we'll get to his flirting style in a minute see the longer that McVay and Nichols hung out the more McVay realized he could get Nichols to do whatever he wanted him to do somebody was a cuck a little cuck what does the rooster say cuck cuck

in early 1993 under McVay's orders Nichols took a 10 hour round trip Michigan to Pendleton New York Drive to pick up a TV a baseball glove some cooking utensils

and a bunch of sand bags it's kind of like the way what little mermaid collected he went to go get Ariel's collection and bring it back to wherever they are and Nichols did it without question this is like what was that making the band P. Diddy he made him walk over the Brooklyn Bridge

and get him cheesecake it's kind of like that even further than that he got out during the Gulf War because Nichols had begged out on a hardship discharge right before war was declared this is the kind of thing that weird 12 year olds do this is a bad day for Terry Nichols

yeah McVay took Nichols out into a field pointed a Ruger assault rifle at him and said when I count you roll and proceeded to pull the old west make him dance routine on Terry Nichols dance boy I'll only do it because I'm telling myself

to do it let's dance because he will kill you after he fucks our wife no matter what there's always one point where I actually don't hate the supervillain that we're talking about and that's kind of fun to make Terry Nichols dance

like you're in an old cowboy salute so a couple of weeks after McVay arrived in Michigan the siege in Waco ended as we all know with the raid followed by the fire which destroyed the compound and killed everyone inside and all this shit happened on live television and McVay

watched it all happen at the Nichols family farm with as Nichols said tears in his eyes and the last straw for Timothy McVay was when the ATF raised their agency's flag over the wreckage of the compound which in hindsight probably was a little tacky

probably a little tacky, it's like tea bagging them it was of course after Waco that McVay decided that something had to be done he just hadn't decided what or hadn't been told by someone else what that something was going to be and McVay continued on the gun show circuit

but the items he was selling and buying took on a different tone he picked up his infamous Six Simper tour in his shirt and started selling other shirts with pictures of the Waco compound burning and the words Federal Bureau of Incineration printed underneath

the thing is I would buy that it's just memes, he just sold memes shirts, he also sold ATF hats with bullet holes punching through the logo and this was actually a pretty fucked up dangerous one he handed out cards with the name and address of the FBI sniper who killed Vicky Weaver

at Ruby Ridge, oh so this is 4chan this is like the beginning of 4chan holy shit, wow this really is I also would never want to do anything like home invade of a sniper they're really good you're super rare for it because a sniper never sleeps in his own home

it's a hundred yards from his actual bed and I know he's at a nest but the one thing Timothy McVeigh sold more than anything else was copies of a video called Waco the Big Lie which essentially became McVeigh's new Turner Diaries because all we know

is the Big Lie is the amount of chips they put in a Doritos bag how much air are in these bags the video itself is full of lies and half truths that placed the blame for everything that happened in Waco solely on government agents, yes government agents fucked up

a lot, the FBI fucked up a ton and actually did some very mean spirited specifically harmful things to those people inside but the branch Davidians also hold a lot of fucking responsibility or at the very least David Koresh holds

a lot of responsibility for what happened there and McVeigh didn't just keep all of this Waco talk to gun shows in the summer of 1993 McVeigh took a security job in Kingman, Arizona where Michael 40A lived and one night McVeigh asked a co-worker if he could show him

something and the co-workers said sure I don't give a shit just shut up, yeah alright what the fuck just get away from me, yes so McVeigh went out to his car and brought back a TV and a VCR and set it all up in their office so he could have a little screen of his Waco video he's like racist Spugs Bunny

and actually McVeigh had actually asked his boss if it was okay for him to do that and the boss was like no absolutely not you can't bring your TV VCR in here and show people this stupid fucking Waco video but McVeigh was such a rebel that he did it anyway what I think you're losing

sight of how amazing it is VHS and TV it's one system now McVeigh started being a pain in the ass in other ways too he changed his outgoing machine message every week or so to him reading excerpts from Patrick Henry's

writing like give me liberty or give me death believe it or not Tim is in at home leave a message at the beep all the U.S. governments complicit in Waco, Texas and murdering David Koresh Tim also started writing letters to

his sister Jennifer who at this point was spending her evenings doing naked jello wrestling outside Buffalo that is a respectable job for anyone in Buffalo to have I completely agree and it's better honestly it's technically better than being a Buffalo Bill

you actually can win a jello wrestling and these letters they were nothing but bullshit for example in one letter McVeigh claimed that he was a part of a CIA drug smuggling mission and had worked as a paid government assassin

and he told Jennifer to watch Leave a Weapon for more information on both Sheep dipped this is where maybe he was sheep dipped by the CIA and he got rid of his instead of failing his Green Beret test is that he actually tested so well

and this is what they say conspiracy theorists believe that he tested so well that he was put into an elite group of people because his IQ was so high that they put him in this group that they basically got rid of all history of the rest of his service they got rid of his social security number they get rid of all of that official business

and they put him on covert ops that he went out there and he had to bomb that old reserve building any sort of fed building from the inside as a white supremacist in order to spark the war to knock out these far right groups and why wouldn't the CIA recruit someone who looks like the racist uncle

from Pete and Pete if Pete and Pete had a racist uncle the thing was Jennifer McVeigh believed all this shit because she thought that the only way her brother could have become so angry and so radicalized was if the government had done something to him personally to make him this way she was six years younger

and this also this kind of tells you you know the effect that this shit has on families because Jennifer McVeigh was six years younger than Timothy McVeigh she looked up to him and she thought the only way her brother could have turned into this monster was if somebody had turned him into this monster specifically someone like the government

so you're telling me Timothy McVeigh was so articulate and so had so much conviction he was even able to convince a nude Jello wrestler that he was former CIA I thought that if you had a couple ounces of Jello up your butt hole

and your pussy hole at any given time that would make you less scullable you think it would make you kind of like weirdly more like wise I agree well McVeigh also started telling Jennifer he now considered himself an outlaw this is what he wrote in one letter

in the past you would see the news and see a bank robbery and judge him as a criminal the federal reserve and the banks are the real criminals so where's the crime and getting even we're at war with the system make no mistake about it we have to fund our war efforts with sometimes

covert means I mean meanwhile he's drinking a slurpee filling up his car at a gas station driving on roads that the taxpayers pay for it it's believe what Timothy McVeigh met by covert was bank robbing yes and in fact in December

of 1993 McVeigh gave Jennifer three $100 bills that he said came from a bank robbery he helped plan and if McVeigh was involved with any bank robbery gang it would have most likely been a group of dipshits named the Aryan Republican army

now again remember this is this has been an idea that has been in white supremacist groups for a long time using the bank robbery system in order to fund their buying guns they're planning buying food getting toilet paper but that's a luxury seems like they're just

eating expired almond butter now the ARA was a bank robbery gang whose explicit purpose was to fund the revolutionary cause of white supremacy Marcus I'm gonna have to stop you there because they call themselves the ARA oh god really the ARA

yeah like a scent like from a glade plug in now the ARA no fucking it's the ARA I'm not gonna play their stupid fucking game here I'm actually surprised the ARA sounds much more masculine and tougher than ARA I don't know why they call them ARA sounds like a disney princess yes it does

they were inspired by the 80s neo-nazi bank robbery gang the order who had named themselves after a terrorist cell in what the fuck else the Turner Diaries now in January of 1995 the core members of the ARA got drunk and filmed a recruitment video called

the Aryan Republican army presents the armed struggle underground and it's stuff like it's literally a guy with a gas mask on going like if you think you can hand yourself around the hankering you better ask yourself double the question can I handle myself around the hankering

I tell you yeah you're fucking visibly intoxicated by looking at me you fucking piece of shit what makes a snowman a man is it the carrot dick I'd say no it's the white skin the white snow except if you're peeing it then it becomes Asian visibly intoxicated the rhetoric of this shit

I mean it is scary they do say some very scary shit but really it's like a campy ISIS recruitment video like they all wear masks and talk tough but the guy who speaks the most still calls himself commander Pedro always with this shit same thing when they call it like Liberia

and stuff all those weird like Congo army rebel guys or always named like Captain Superman and shit like that yeah general Buck naked now commander Pedro's real name was Pete Langen who unbeknownst to his ultra right wing brother and was privately a transsexual

named Donna McClure who dated a woman named Cheryl that she had met at a New Year's Eve church makes this is a television show in the making I love it you are an Aryan bank robber that is a transsexual it's incredible so so

was there an operation he was pre-op but when he was finally arrested his toenails and his fingernails were all painted and all of the hair had been shaved from his body he looked good he looked pretty good when he had a wig and a dress on

when he was Donna McClure so he did not have a vagina it was not a woman that transitioned into a man he just liked to dress he was a cross dresser he was actually on his way he wanted to get the sex change operation that was one of the reasons why he was right he was like dog day afternoon is interesting

that is interesting yeah he was dog day afternoon in the whole thing but he was doing that covertly you have to of course well it's also possible that the ARA and the entire Elohim city operation knew about his transsexual

identity but we'll talk about that on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing itself this is a phase this is like when he went through his macrame phase it's a phase now Langans buddy in the ARA video was a man named Richard Guthrie

Guthrie was kicked out of the navy in 1883 for painting a swastika on the side of a ship and for threatening his superior officers it's just not a smart idea he tagged a navy ship with a swastika and a very bad I saw a picture of it it's a very badly drawn swastika too that's the one thing that I kind of

think it's funny about white power movements is that a swastika is deceptively hard to do well and they never do it right oh no it always looks shitty unless they have like a stencil but most of the time when you see like you can see when someone tries to spray paint a swastika a lot of times like they fuck up

and they have to like kind of like exit out and like cover it up and then try again so you get the majority of flowers that you see if you ever see a flower graffiti it was a swastika that affects now Langan reportedly described Richard Guthrie as a cross between Ted Bundy

and Ted Kaczynski double teds what's that gonna be like not handsome I don't know could be handsome Ted Kaczynski ruins that DNA pool if Kaczynski would have cleaned up he would have looked okay he looked like a

vaguely attractive mathematics professor like a skinny Randy Quaid he did look a lot like that when he was clean shaven he did look like Randy Quaid between Langan Guthrie and a couple of other recruits the ARA carried out 22 bank robbery jobs in two years

totaling a quarter of a million dollars in loot with the media dubbing them the Midwest bank robbers now while there is no concrete evidence that the ARA and McVay were linked they did travel the same gun show circuit and were all in Arizona in early 1995

if McVay was robbing banks with anyone it was these guys now McVay he certainly got a hold of a 100 dollar bills in 1993 somehow and I seriously doubt it was from selling Waco videos and guppy fucking bumper stickers for 50 cents each he was involved with the ARA

and they were super secretive about who was involved and again it was also very much they did not use names they would do shit like that where they would meet up and they would have code names and separate and part of it was so that they could never link somebody and you also which is comes from the teachings of Lewis Beam now around the same time that McVay

might have been pulling bank jobs with the ARA tragedy struck at the Nichols household see along with Mara Faye and Terry Nichols was Mara Faye's toddler son Jason now Jason was the product of a trist that Mara Faye had with a boyfriend that she got between the time

that Nichols met her and when he came back to pick her up to take her to America and that boyfriend's name was Jojo Angelito Florida and technically he is now the spokesperson for the American papaya company I like him so one day according

to the story while McVay was staying at the Nichols house Jason suffocated on a plastic bag he found in a big box of bananas that Terry had insisted to be stored in the toddler's room technically it is an Aryan good luck charm to put a bag

of bananas in a child's room no not a bag of bananas a box a box of bags of bananas it's a box of bags of bananas so many bananas it necessitated a box and each bunch of bananas was in a plastic bag there's not many white fruits

the flesh of a banana is technically white how long does a banana last 17 minutes how many bananas do you need to facilitate an entire box of a bag of bananas maybe all they were eating was bananas that's disgusting

the official line was that the death was accidental but some speculate that it was possibly McVay himself who killed Jason to see if he had it in him to snuff out the life of a child although this was a year and a half before the bombing and McVay hadn't even seen the mirror

building at this point I think that's going a little bit too far by saying that McVay because that's a theory of Gumbel who wrote Oklahoma City what the investigation missed and he I mean the book is absolutely fantastic and guys seriously the story that we're telling here we're telling

about a quarter of the full story of Timothy McVay and these white supremacist groups but still Gumbel does make a couple of jumps he even got it into big chiquita bananas and how many children have they killed followed the bananas

I don't think that he did this I honestly don't think that he tried to kill it because again he killed the kids from far off he never expected to do this he would never can murder a child because that was not in his MO that's not what he wanted to do it's too dumb of a thing to plan

so in February of 1994 after this whole debacle McVay returned to Kingman to visit Michael Fortier there the two decided to raid the local National Guard Armory after hearing rumors that the New World Order was stopped piling weapons there

possibly the famed guillotine but that is for ancient that is for reptilian magical rituals and open up the pyramids no they of course found nothing there and they ran away when they heard a truck coming the guillotine thing is the dumbest thing I've ever heard people still talk about the government getting thousands of guillotines

why would they do it that way beam of death camp follow the guillotines it takes you to the bananas which takes you where the almond butter oh so they got of course like a truck started coming they scampered away but on their way out they did manage to steal an axe a pig

and shovel score one for the no garden is safe McVay and Fortier also according to McVay started playing around with explosives for the first time a biggest thing they experimented with was a pipe bomb which they used to try to blow up a big

rock but they only managed to move the thing a couple of inches they wanted to they wanted to blow up big look look hey Tim look look I put a little head on it it's like a yarmulke on it now we can blow it up look I put a little yarmulke on it isn't that fun

get out of here Terry shut the fuck up shut up Terry shockingly stupid I've never heard of a dumber thing let's go blow up that rock it's something you do when you're like 15 like I I actually knew a kid in high school who had the

anarchist cookbook and he was blowing up rocks he was pretty good at building pipe bombs yeah we used to blow up a TV yeah blowing up a TV is fun yeah we used to get old televisions and take them to a field and we'd blow them up that's a good time but you'd have the anarchist cookbook I hadn't all you can get is more rocks if you blow up a rock

interesting you're making rocks you're just creating more economies are a van kissle yeah that's right but this whole this whole thing of them blowing up rocks with pipe bombs and failing by the way

this is a sticking point for a lot of people me included how did McVeigh go from barely being able to build a pipe bomb to constructing a complicated two fuse 7000 pound truck bomb in just a little over a year

practice practice practice Carnegie Hall was McVeigh really that smart bullshit tough to say or did he get help so as 1994 marched on McVeigh started cutting ties

to people he thought weren't dedicated enough to the cause here's an excerpt from a 23 page letter McVeigh wrote to his childhood friend Steve again if you do read the Turner Diaries and I will not recommend that you do but if you do you realize that all of the tone all of this tone

every single idea that he had taken directly from Turner Diaries he writes just like Earl Turner speaks in the book I know in my heart that I am right in the struggle Steve I've come to peace with myself my god and my cause

blood will flow in the street Steve good versus evil three men versus socialist wannabe slaves pray it is not your blood my friend I haven't uh come to you in 15 years man

yeah I probably should have just I didn't have to write y'all seems like I kind of give you a warning yeah I got kids and a family just to guard the letter this is a letter that Tim McVeigh wrote to a former romantic pursuit hey gorgeous

poof because you're having no I could take a hand but this is my address anyway if you ever need anything let me know one someone killed blown up etc two the shoulder three refuge four fertilization from good stock when the clock starts ticking

I'll always listen don't hesitate to drop me a line people may change superficially but not underneath remember that take care Merry Christmas Tim so one was I will blow people up for you I'll kill you and then two was just like if you need to cry

I'm just here for you very strange range of emotions between one and two the idea of saying fertilization from strong stock is such a dumb shit like I said this weird Aryan power thing I don't understand it when the clock starts ticking so that's if you haven't found

good Aryan stock right menopause if you need if you just need a fucking handful of calm then Timothy McVeigh is going to give you some because I can give you at least a thimble for my question is is that does any woman of any stripe racist or not want to be speak

to like this I don't think so it worked out for him absolutely not so in the summer of 1994 McVeigh decided that he and Nichols should go into the gun show business together but instead of selling guns Tim's idea was that they could buy 50 pound bags

of ammonium nitrate and sell smaller bags to explosives aficionados I like that idea of calling terrorists just explosive aficionados yes that's a nice way to put it it was just dumb shit at gun shows because there was this there was this rumor going around that the government

was about to outlaw ammonium nitrate so they bought up a whole bunch of it and but seriously what they did these were just big bags of fertilizer that they bought at feed stores and they put them into these smaller little canisters and try to sell them and Terry it's not bags it's not all fertilizers

just shit it's ammonium nitrate but actually very dangerous by the way yeah Terry Nichols actually tried doing this at a gun show no one bought it and in fact one guy that was interviewed said that Terry Nichols was the only dumbass he ever did see do it and also the government

was thinking about banning it because of idiots like Timothy McVeigh that were who were using it for to weaponize it and this was like this is their first big bulk ammonium nitrate purchase this was their first big step towards the oklahoma city bombing whether they were getting help for it or not this is like his version of herbal life

yeah kind of a little Ponzi scheme he wants to start but what really put the plan into high gear for Timothy McVeigh was the 10 year assault rifle band president Clinton signed in September of 1994 which Nichols said McVeigh saw as the prophecy

of the Turner Diaries coming through right before his eyes and that is where we'll pick back up for the conclusion of Oklahoma City which has since expired we have more guns than people in this country guns are not going anywhere yeah well that is the greatest story ever told

and it's only halfway and there are more characters that we're going to introduce on the next episode we're going to introduce Dennis Mayhon and Carol Howe just John Doe number two I mean we've got there's

my name is actually John Doe number two my father was John Doe number one his father was just John Doe call me JD Doe thank you all so much for listening we apologize it's been a little bit of a lengthy wait here but we got a lot of stuff happening so thank you all so much

for sticking with us yeah we moved studios we had to kind of reset from film in pretty face we're in Los Angeles this week we're in my office I've turned into a new recording studio I'm staring at a detective popcorn right now yeah we built we actually built a west

coast studio so we can make sure to bring you guys so we made sure to get you guys an episode as soon as we possibly could we really have been really busy here but we got here as soon as we could we really appreciate everyone's patience and waiting for the next episode and next episodes can be so thick hot and ready

we're gonna slide it down you throw I think you're not selling it you're not selling it alright thank you all so much let's see anything to talk about we got the patreon we have Milwaukee coming up this weekend so we'll see y'all there yeah we got Milwaukee this weekend we got Nashville the weekend after

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Cory look how good Cory Feldman's doing see after he got paid off paid off that's I don't know why we're decided to end the show like that but yes come out to Montreal that's gonna be a great show it's gonna be a lot of fun and it's at 3pm and who doesn't love to watch a show at 3pm everybody does

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