Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 279: The Enfield Poltergeist Part I - Oh Crumbs!

Episode Date: July 28, 2017

It's England's most famous haunting on this week's Last Podcast! Join us on part one as we follow the trials and tribulations of the Hodgson family during an almost two year encounter that features verbal poltergeist interaction, apparitions, and multiple well-meaning mediums.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started And oh man, we're back in the studio you guys don't know this new studio looks like the Black Lodge Yeah, and I'm the I'm the tiny man for Twin Peaks. Yes Oh, I don't want to I actually ruined Twin Peaks for Marcus at the end of Twin Peaks. It turns out there's three Peaks. Oh God those are fun jokes So today we're talking about we're switching from who are we they know who we are Still every time every time but I am Ben kissle

It's always someone's first episode been welcome to the last podcast on the left. I am Ben kissle That's Marcus Park. Hi with us as always Henry's a browse. Thank you. I actually like hear you say it Okay, I don't know why I don't know with it just like the weird like little flicks of rage that show up in your eyeballs guys We're getting spooky today. Yes. We're talking about ghosts, but I wanted to get to the first place This is the Enfield polter guys stop playing wipe out on your belly. Yeah I don't Henry is where Henry is we're in short shorts, but somehow they make you look more nude than if you were nude It's because they're lavender

Lavender is the dirtiest color. Yeah, so we're switching gears from a true crime to it's a ghost Absolutely, we're gonna be covering the infield polter guys. I am so excited for this. It's scary Yeah, well the infield polter guys haunting occurred in the London suburb of infield from August of 1977 until April of 1979 it is by far England's most famous haunting and is one of the most documented polter guys cases in history This is not a bullshit one like the amityville horror house This is something that they're so they're incredible witnesses a lot of instances many different Many different types of polter guys behavior all of them some new shit. Mm-hmm. I think that it's it

Obviously, it's one of the most bonafide. So what happens here? Now, this is a British ghost. They haunt you with meat pies and stuff like that. Does it change because it's over in the In the UK. No, it's still well I mean it depends on the voices that you listen to of course if a voice comes through a little girl Then the polter guys is gonna speak in a more British way. That is one Marikai, it's like You want a 25 ounce or a new I do what a 25 ounce or a do you may know infield as the inspiration for the second Conjuring movie but not surprisingly Ed and Lorraine Warren's claims of involvement are of like most things with the warrants total bullshit

Yeah, boo on these people they made a lot of money off of this stuff That's for sure They made a lot of money now most accounts place the warrants at the site of the infield haunting for no more than a day Uninvited mind you really and even that just consisted of the classic Ed Warren Hey, how are you? Let's make some money move that he was so well known for it was actually the inspiration for the Lana S'mores That song uninvited really it's very interesting. It's never a good day when the ghost hunters show up at your door just randomly It's hi. Hey Places haunted huh heard your daughter's gotten finger to the night by a ghost

I know we make some whole cold hard cash on that all for these guys. I know and fucking Vienna. Hi Because these are what I also love is in Conjuring 2 they made Ed Warren Patrick Wilson who is a gorgeous man Oh, he's wonderful and Vera from iglia. Yeah from iglia She was great Lorraine Warren when real life they the Ed and Lorraine Warren look like Pixar characters have come to life They look like they got like they both look like the grandfather from up. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense Well the Conjuring 2 like it's not even really a ghost movie. It's a superhero movie. It's a Christian superhero movie That's exactly what it is. It's a Christian superhero movie kind of I always just got I thought it was a really great movie To remind us how comfortable lazy boys are they showed that chair so damn much

I was like I just want to be in it Now the only reason why the infield case was chosen for the Conjuring 2 was because Warner Brothers doesn't own the rights to most of The Warren case files so they had to scrape the barrel a little bit for a story good enough to follow up the first Conjuring movie Which was fucking awesome It's really sad though because in real life the actual story of the infield poltergeist is a really compelling story basically you got like a War-torn British family that's going through a lot of turmoil like several girls on their monarch's their first period's coming out of it You've got a mustachioed ghost hunter that becomes a new daddy Yeah to the family and it's very kind of sweet and everybody loves a new daddy because old daddy always did something bad

That's how you describe this is kind of sweet in any way, but I think it's kind of a sweet story We'll get into it now the only people who said the Warrens had a hand in the case where the Warrens themselves and The girl who was the focus of the haunting Janet Hodgson who interestingly only mentioned them when she was interviewed for the DVD Extras for the Conjuring 2 Sort of like she was forced to by a contract or paid to and one thing I will say about a Janet Hodgkins like later on she looks like that no matter what she's doing She has a gun to the back of her head. She looks haunted and fucked up Yeah

Now all of the real information for our cover to the infield poltergeist comes from one of the main investigators himself Guy play fair who wrote the book this house is haunted about the whole incident. What's your book about? This house is haunted. It's very on the nose Something very similar to when you have some sort of a Chinese or crayon Delivery to your home and the fumes from the food from the appetizers They simply do not leave no matter how much for breads use. What's your book about? the remnants of these That's actually like it's a super fun read despite guy totally not selling it at all in the preface

This is what he wrote If you are not sated by all the horrors and occult titillations of books or films such as the Exorcist and its host of imitators and are still hungry for a more exotic thrill then this book is not for you Readers may find some of it rather dull and a not very good plot and some terrible dialogue. I Like the honesty I would continue reading But it's just all the he misses because they want to tank basically these guys are hardcore Amateur Researchers and they want you to show you want to show the world just how serious they're taking this and it is a bit by bit

Recording of every single piece of activity that happened in that house Oh, yeah, it gets a little tedious at times But that's mostly because over the course of 19 months that they spent investigating this haunting Guy play fair and his partner Maurice Gross recorded over 1,000 instances of poltergeist activity. Oh, that's a lot of instances It is a thousand of them one thousand and also one thousand Wow And all of the dialogue from the book is taken from his actual field recordings of the family and this I want to say about this family They are not TV ready. I know well in the conjuring too. They were quite attractive. It's interesting what Hollywood does

It's like they give them breasts. Really? Yeah, I press that all of them, but she's only 12 Let's press up give you a six pack or something maybe two now whether you believe this story or not all hinges on whether you believe Guy play fair Maurice gross the Hodgson family their neighbors and half a dozen other Witnesses either way it remains one of the most active interesting and at times like we said one of the sweetest poltergeist stories ever recorded It is it's very Spielberg II what I'd also say too is that when you look this up if you type it and field poltergeist into Google It's gonna pop up hoax first Yeah, there's a lot of people that try to discredit this and debunk this story We're gonna take you through. It's all the information that we could gather about this haunting and when we make you decide

Yeah, what would sounds real to you? The haunting began small as these things usually do on August 30th 1977 the Hodgson family consisting of mother Peggy and children Margaret 14 Janet 11 Johnny 10 and Billy seven we're going through a bit of a hard time No One of the best part about the Hodgson family is that they are like they hit all of the British family stereotypes You got old rag woman who washes rags in a big basin all day. That's the mommy You've got Margaret the unspoken of child with the tiny mouth, right?

There's always one older sister slumped over being a You've got Janet the center of activity who's sort of like cross between lively daughter like an aria stark But also mostly like a pesky orphan. She's like a type of person like get out of here And you toss a dollar and she runs out. Oh, that's kind of fun You've got the sent away boy, which is the brother that is not around because he's been sent away He's sent to boarding school and no one says why No one had told guy play fair why he just keeps saying over and over again He was sent to boarding school for an unspecified reason which I was not privy to

It's just in front of a burning police station. Yeah, I'm trying to brush his teeth and they didn't allow it and then there's the Unacknowledged one. Yeah, the last one who's the ability who's just like hey guys, so If he doesn't hurt no one can I get a bit of attention? I'll just go back to being a pig pocket then that's it He's like Donnie from Big Lebowski Well, this is like it's classic poltergeist stuff because there's a lot of turmoil in the house Peggy's husband had left not too long before All the activity began and this guy he was showing up with the new woman in his life Every time he came by to pay child support

Although I'm not really sure why he had to come by the house to pay his child support every month instead of just mailing it in It seems European you want to you want it to get there? Yeah, you know what he wants to look Billy in the eyes when he gives him that big money And I don't want to shame anyone but Peggy did sort of look like if he took Louie Anderson from baskets and deflated him Like if she does look like that. Come on. That's not bad. She's a mother. She's a mother of four Henry Zabrowski She's a mother of four. She's a good woman You gory rags Well, don't you want a clean rags Henry?

What's going very much and she is a good woman Henry This is unbelievable coming from Henry Zabrowski Jesus Henry Who loves his mother so much and now he's demonizing this British homemaker Oh, my dress is in grey but it's soaked too with rag water When the family was living in government assisted housing surviving on welfare and child support which of course only added to the stress The two daughters were also flowering That is actually a much more disgusting way of saying going through puberty

Which is as we all know among the most common causes of poltergeist activity But nothing was like listening to thin lipped poltergeist experts from the UK fucking paranormal society I've been like and so yes The youngest maybe was at the moment of the inception of the poltergeist activity Had her monarch the first period became a coward for crawling like a beast from the swamp Well, it's a wonderful natural thing So one night Janet Thank you

Thank you Mr. Kissel like are we still doing fucking dodgeball in six periods? Yes, periods are the theme of the day So one night Janet and Johnny called to their mother to complain that their beds had been shaken Peggy ignored it till the next night when she was called to their room once more This time the kids said that they had heard a shuffling noise like someone had been dragging their feet across the floor while wearing slippers And Peggy heard it too And that sound was followed by four loud knocks Knocks, not ham slaps

A person who's too poor to be a folk singer just I came here to slap my body My belly's a drum Then the children's chest of drawers started sliding across the room towards the doorway traveling about a foot and a half Peggy pushed the drawers back only to have it move again You back there, don't you move there again Alright, I've got rags and my water's getting warm It's the opposite, you've got cold water slowly gets warm on it, I keep it cold so don't wash it as well That is kind of crazy

Okay, enough of the rags That's a bullet rags are an integral part When she tried pushing it back a second time she found that she couldn't budget an inch Understandably freaked out, the family decided not to bother her brother and his family who lived up the road So they knocked on the door of their next door neighbors, the Nottingham It's the Nottingham, of course it is Yes, it's always the Nottingham I think it's Nottingham's

Nottingham's? Nottingham's I'm just going to be winging it with a lot of these pronunciations Well, Nottingham's, I mean that's a pseudonym Really the only people that we know the actual name was the Hodgson's who were known as the Harper's in the book It wasn't until much later that they came out and gave their real name Guy Playfair was actually very good about not blowing up anybody's spat It's a little bit stereotypical though, isn't it? You just called them the Nottingham's?

Sure, yes, but honestly their spot had already been blown up Because we're going to find out the first people they called as the reporters But the reporters actually never revealed their names Yeah, that's good That's good Yeah, that's good, I mean that's bad Of course No Ben, that's British politeness

It's responsibility The tabloids in the UK are horrible It's a lot of full of nudes They have nudes in their tabloids That's what makes it better I don't know, I don't know I don't know Vic and his son went over to check out the house and said they heard hollow knocks following them throughout the house

Despite not a single other person being present besides the two of them I think it's interesting that every single person that talked about Vic Nottingham They all said the same thing, the same line He was a builder, so he wasn't afraid of nothing Builders are tough Wait, but at the same time, I think construction workers are always the first ones to get spooked in all the Abbott-Casella movies That's impossible They're scooby-doo, they're like, yeah, Addy

They're tough though, they're up there, they're not afraid of heights, I'll tell you that Now this is very interesting, I just now discovered this The difference between regular knocks and poltergeist knocks are audibly subtle But the acoustic waves tell a different story A 2010 study published in the Journal of Psychical Research Compared the two types of knocks and made a fascinating discovery They found that the regular knocks started at full amplitude and tapered off Meaning the peak of the sound wave was at the very beginning

Okay, we're getting into the sound waves We're getting into the sound waves, like, you know, when you do like The sound is like, you just look at that Is that an empty knock? That is a regular knock That's a regular knock That's a regular knock I'm not stoned enough to completely understand sound waves

We do have to do an entire new podcast, Knock Talk, and we will get into knocks But the poltergeist knocks show a different kind of sound wave With the peak coming after the sound has already begun Kind of like the seismograph readings an earthquake gives off Secondary knock Well, it's not a secondary knock It's just how the knock flows Yeah, the knock begins before the top of the knock hits

Top of the knock So it's like, instead of being like... It's like... Weird Man, it's only the most lonely person with headphones Could ever understand what that means Because I can see more than you and me I am legitimately confused on if this is an interesting conversation

But it is, a lot of knock talk This is fascinating, the acoustic signatures are different I just see you at home with your headphones that are even bigger than the ones you have here Comically large Comically large You're like, I can really hear it You care really and it's just scared in the other room Just smoking a pickle

No, no He's my fourth pickle today He's talking about knocks again So after hearing the knocks and finding nothing The Harper's at a loss called the police While one officer was sensibly checking off the plumbing Yeah, he's sometimes a big chardonnay He'll fuck up everything

No, let's say he didn't creep in front of the children But sometimes if you squeeze out a big long fucking piece of shit out of yourself And get it all gobbled up in the fucker You get the feeling that if they called him over for like a, you know, an armed robbery or something He'd be like, I'm gonna go check the toilet I don't know, I always just go check the toilet first They took our television I'm gonna go make sure there's nothing in the toilet

He was checking out the plumbing The other cop, along with everyone else in the room Saw a chair wobble from side to side But for it slid four feet across the floor And what makes this case different than any other poltergeist case That I've ever really read about is that this cop not only saw this But wrote an official report saying that she saw this chair Slide across the ground and I watched an interview with her

And she immediately was like, this is not a person that Just to look at her, like honestly, she's just not going for attention This obviously was brought a lot of negative attention to her She was immediately made fun of It discredits you, this is the problem with the paranormal world in general Look at me, how I've been discredited For the things I've said, things I believe in What a victim, we always say that

So the chair was wobbly The chair moved four feet across the floor It wasn't just wobbly, it moved four feet across the floor Alright, get on it Sit on it, this is like a Disney movie All these things do at first start off pretty innocent They start off very calm And then they escalate

Why didn't the police light up the chair? Shoot it, because it's not America And they don't have guns And thankfully, I mean, because also they found out The chair was painted white But since no crime had been committed And no perpetrator could be found harassing the Hodgson's The police left

And the activity only escalated from there The next day I do wonder if the toilet was clogged The toilet was not clogged The knocking wasn't coming from the plumbing Their shit was so thin from how much bone broth That they ate everything I'm just asking questions

The next day, Johnny's marbles and his Legos Started flying through the air, seemingly of their own volition Peggy's father came over, picked up one of the marbles That had hit the bathroom door And found that the marble was hot to the touch I gotta say, these marbles are as hot as my marbles Were when I met your mam Oh yeah, she gripped me

Grip made good, your father did I don't think we want to get into all that After three more days of flying marbles Peggy called the Daily Mirror Thinking that they might have some idea Of who to get a hold of to check all this out And this actually has precedence now When we look at trailer crash here in America

That is not an appropriate term for individuals Who reside in trailers We talk about window invader, like the guy the famous We have a lot of famous eyewitnesses in this country That's what they did the same thing They'll put us on the TV We'll tell the whole world about these ghosts And everyone's gonna be like, oh shit, ghosts

It did seem like they wanted attention No, it's not that Why would you contact the Daily Mirror? Because they want somebody to do something about it And the cops wouldn't do anything All this activity is happening They knew that sometimes Newspapers covered ghost stories

And they thought that maybe the Daily Mirror Might have somebody That they could contact or at the very least Publicize their case So somebody who might have an idea on how to make this stop Might see the news story We'll publish this right between the nudes And the story about how Prince Charles

Hasn't ejaculated in 30 years But this is before the Daily Mirror was complete trash This is when it was coming up It was like coming up the line And also, you have to understand These are also not bright people No, absolutely not You're gonna hear more details

That show that information Functioning plumbing from what I understand Street smart You know it's that You can't just say that because somebody's dumb They're street smart Peggy showed some deductive reasoning later on Sure

Well Peggy called the Daily Mirror She thought maybe they could help them out But instead the Daily Mirror smelled a story And sent out a reporter, Douglas Bentz And a photographer, Graham Morris Out to investigate What happened, at least until the reporters Gave up and left

As soon as they left, Marbles and Legos Started shooting around the room again And the reporters would call back before they even Reached the street And as the photographer was snapping photos A Lego brick flew towards him And smacked him hard enough in the face To leave a bruise that lasted a week

That's fun It does sound like a dumb small thing But if you've ever had a little brother or little sister Whip a Lego at you It hurts You have four quarters on a Lego The only people who could have thrown the Lego From that angle were the other reporter

And one of the Nottingham's And that's the one thing that Playfair Also hits in the book a lot Where he keeps saying it over and over again Which does make it a difficult book to read But being like these things are flying around And nobody is near where they're coming from They're coming from other sides of the room

They're materializing from the ceiling They're coming up from crazy angles And the thing is that you wouldn't see somebody Throw it that fast You don't think a cat could do it I'm asking that question There was no cat It was boiled on their Thursday boil night

Oh, I see This is the UK They boil whatever's around to eat You never know what a cat's up to Well, the reporters came back a couple days later With a senior reporter into A man named George Fallows According to Peggy

She's the first person to ever say the word Poltergeist in her presence God bless you Poltergeist God bless you there Your place is haunted This house is haunted God bless you there

Fallows explained to Peggy That often Poltergeist activity Centers around girls going through puberty After Fallows Patiently explained to Peggy what the word puberty meant She knew what the word puberty meant She absolutely did not know what the word puberty meant A grown woman with four children

Did not know what puberty meant She was like, oh, she mean when Jenny gets the splatish You know what? Street smart He makes people on the street understand something's happening I don't know what that's all about She knew what puberty was She just didn't know the word puberty

Because once Fallows patiently explained What he meant by puberty She confirmed that Margaret, the oldest Had flowered the previous march Oh, yeah, she's getting a drip Oh, yeah, she's getting a drip Just like me and my grandma for sure That's fine then

The reporter then Tried to trick Peggy By asking her if she was interested in Moving as people like Peggy Who lived in government assisted housing A lot of times claimed houses were haunted In order to get a new place But Peggy had no interest in leaving

The house she'd lived in for 12 years So Fallows suggested she contact The society for Psychical research Ooh, the society for psychical research That sounds like a lot of suspenders And a lot of khaki pants You were correct, but they were thorough researchers

And this was one of the last bastions of like 1800, like in the UK Specifically, it came over to America For a little bit, but the obsession with the supernatural And the idea of cold Reasoned men and women Going out there and doing their due diligence And to research it as unexciting as possible

Yeah, you do get the feeling when they're driving In traffic, they're just like, slow down Everyone needs to slow down Well, let's let a very British woman Named Mary Rose Barrington Explain to us just what the SPR Is The society for psychical research

Was set up in 1882 To investigate Those faculties of man Real or supposed That are not explicable On any generally recognized hypothesis It doesn't have any fixed ideas Or opinions

And anyone can be a member Whether they actually believe In paranormal phenomena or not But of course, obviously most of us Do have convinced that There is some reality in these things Just spice it up For a second

Yeah, just get a little bit interesting, please If you spiced it up, Henry, that would Make it undignified I don't care Most utmost of dignity At all times Dame Edna and Julia Childs That's what she sounds like a combo

Now, although the SPR had been a fixture Of the paranormal community for almost A hundred years by 1977 Almost none of its members Were interested in actually going out Into the field to face a poltergeist head on When the infield case was brought To their attention

None that is, except Maurice Gross He's like a Vincent Price character He has a real motive He's out there, he lost his daughter He's going to look for these ghosts And also, he looks like a boss munchkin He looks like the head of the lollipop guilt

He's got the silliest moustache in the world Sounds like someone will frighten a ghost He looks like he commandeers a steampunk zeppelin I like him Maurice Gross Was a fairly successful inventor Who had a lifelong interest in the paranormal Particularly concerning the question

Spirit when they died The interest only grew after his daughter Janet died in a motorcycle accident In 1976 Fueled by a series of strange coincidences Immediately following her death Just before she died Janet had sent her brother a birthday

Card with a humorous illustration Of a person with a head injury The text read And so this was a very topical birthday card It's like saying if we had sent a card And tried to explain to being like Your age is just too damn high And then they had to explain

It was a one point during a major race And there was a man who was famous The rent is too damn high I thought toilet water was what they called cologne No It was a What? No

It's a bad water No That's like a French term For fancy water I heard that toilet water was what they called cologne I'm gonna say google toilet water Google toilet water Wow it's all about the plumbing

And toilet water here on this poltergeist episode Of the last podcast on the left In January Toilet water a dilute form of perfume Wow Henry you lose I just have never heard that before I'd like to see a panel of people from the UK

Tell us that they call it toilet water The internet just did The internet is filled with lies Well yeah most of them you believe It's not fake news Toilet water is perfume No I don't know if I want to wear it

But Janet's personal inscription on that card read And there won't be much of that left soon either Talking about her head No it's talking about It was not talking about her head it was talking about water No it was talking about the head but the lid fell on my head Oh my goodness I am so close to nerd alert in this entire conversation

It was about the water It was about the water We've got a nerd alert We've got a nerd alert Context Says Don't be much left of that either She was pointing towards the head

What you meant about the water She's not a comedian I'm going to say it was a double meaning We're going to end the conversation Absolutely not We have to And you guys are arguing over Cologne is toilet water

And what the heck she's talking about in this stupid birthday card Well in the first of many coincidences Janet's cause of death was indeed Head injuries Motorcycle accident I'm sure there's some knee injuries and shoulder injuries too Then a broken clock identical to the one the grosses own

that belonged to a friend suddenly started working the day of Janet's death and stopped at 420 Legalize it 26 billion dollars could be made federally And 420 is just about the time in which Janet died

Then on the day of Janet's funeral Maurice asked for a sign that his daughter might still be around in some form or another He thought a good sign might be rain as the area had indeed been caught in a drought for a month This is what I'm fucking talking about

Yeah well I can see that it was in a drought but It was a joke Nonetheless can you imagine if he asked for a sign that his daughter was still alive and she just stood up and her casking was just like I'm burning down here Nevermind I don't want to know Sorry

Today after the funeral Maurice saw that the roof below Janet's bedroom was wet while the rest of the roof was bone dry Oh Maurice wrote down his experiences presumably to deal with his grief, submitted it to the SPR and applied for membership soon after

It wasn't long until George follows called about the infield case which involved a little girl with the same name as grosses deceased daughter But if you know anything about magical thinking this idea of synchronicity is popping up all the time and that is a part of

what they talk about the SPR and the idea of a true weird spiritual moment or a non-physical like mental trail This kind of the idea is that the universe is like taking you here It's like when you break up with a girl and then all you do is see her name everywhere

Isn't that interesting? Can we ever do that? It's just spelling in the spaghetti but then you're just hacking at the spaghetti I love spaghetti Within an hour of receiving that phone call Maurice Gross pulled up to the front driveway of the Hodgson residence

He would be a central part of their lives for another 19 months So now this guy, I mean he really did not have a lot going on He was ready to go I mean this was his hobby It was pretty much nights and weekends He was an inventor so he was a self-made man He pretty much wrote his own ticket

Not to reference the Big Lebowski again but does he look like the guy who's trailing He's a little taller and lengthier than that And he's just got a funny mustache and he truly believes in what is happening in this house That's a part of what it is That's the mark of how crazy the fucking activity was

in that house is that he showed up and things are just flying around like doors are opening like bathroom doors are opening closing It's like pandemonium in there It's like at the, it's in like poltergeist when he opens the door and it's just the whole place is just swirling in there We're gonna find out that this is also

loosely based off of this story This and another story They kind of meshed them together Now it took three days in the Hodgson house for Gross to have his first experience with the entity In the middle of the night Gross and three men from the Daily Mirror heard a crash from Janet's bedroom

When they opened the door they found that a chair had boosted forward four feet and it spun backwards To make sure Janet was asleep and not the perpetrator of the chair boost and Gross opened her eyelids to find her eyes rolled backwards as the eyes do when one is in a deep sleep

He also lifted her arm and let it drop and gave her head a little poof And then he called the WWE ref over and he counted her out a ten count By all measure, Janet was fast asleep as pretty much the Hodgson's were all

ridiculously hard sleepers I think it comes from the gentleness of life of being a little simple Janet was the most clever one but the way he talks about how he tried to wake them up because he did a lot of this stuff He was like check to see if they were asleep

and then just playing with their eyeballs and like shaking them and stuff and they're still like it's ridiculous it's like what about Bob when they're trying to wake him up out of the bed and then the alarm goes it's always that After a couple more weeks of standard poltergeist activity

which Gross hadn't directly seen himself yet he just kind of heard things from other room and this pillow flew across the room Gross attended a meeting of the SPR and announced he was in the middle of a case and could use some help Luckily for him, Guy Playfair author of This House Is Haunted

What's it about? Was in the audience but it would still be a little while before Guy Playfair would join the fray as Playfair had just finished another book and had planned a nice little holiday for himself It's definitely like a movie because when he used to talk with Maurice

he would all come at our stay for like a day or so and maybe three or four days then it turned into 19 months that Gross also got incredibly sick during one whole section of it for like two to three months he was sick and he was like alright this is your case now and he's stuck in there and

Maurice Gross is like a charming man he's like a sweet fun like grandpa like Guy Playfair is not charming he's a little like hello I heard he's dull he's a paranormal author when Gross returned to the Hudson home he finally saw the entity

at work for the first time Marbles zoomed through the air past his head appearing as if they were coming from behind the children he then heard Peggy say from the other room there's a noise in the bathroom when Gross walked over he saw the bathroom door open and close

on its own four times followed by a sudden cool breeze as often happens in Poltergeist cases Hey Maurice, follow your ear right that's another noise that's another noise in the bathroom that's kind of funny that's what automated

they do just act like like drunks they just act like sailors just throwing things around opening and closing doors they're often times compared to children they're like childlike ghosts they are looking for attention in some way what it seems like, what they say a lot of times

is that with Poltergeist activity the hypothalamus of the person is the center they have activity like fires up so essentially it's either an entity or just random energy that is using a chunk of our brain as an amplifier like sort of like a wifi router and all of a sudden it's just throwing things around the house

if you could train it to turn on the TV this is before remote controls they had remote controls in the late 70s oh yeah, well I also think you could train the ghost to do it get them cooking well the funny thing you say that Poltergeist are like children the funny thing about that is that Poltergeist activity

the activity becomes more and more sophisticated as time goes on almost as if the energy like they're filling out the New York Times crossword puzzle no, they're not filling out the New York Times crossword puzzle but the things that they do become more and more difficult and they start to communicate a lot more

and the more you communicate with them the better they get at it almost as if they're learning after the marble incident gross saw Janet walk into her bedroom followed by three marbles smashing into the door as she walked through the strangest thing about the marbles

is that when they hit the floor they didn't bounce nor did they roll they stayed exactly where they landed as if they were made of metal and the floor was a magnet it's really interesting and they kept trying to recreate it too which is kind of... they just kept trying to throw marbles at the floor

all night long it's a great house to be a kid in I would love to be one of the 7 year old this is fun admittedly the two little girls Janet and Margaret did say that they did fake some things they said they faked about 2% yes, but what I think what happens is

is that it is a lot of fun they are now in the middle of this thing we're going to get to how much it destroys their lives and how much they wanted to keep Morris gross around because new daddy is there and everybody is happier when new daddy is around it was fairly obvious by this point that Janet was the focus of the activity

and would be for the next 19 months this of course led the debunkers to claim that an 11 year old girl was just playing a ridiculously elaborate trick on everyone for almost 2 years straight but like we said it is true that Janet got caught faking once or twice

but that does not automatically discount every instance especially since these events as we'll find out were witnessed by multiple people and in fact the debunkers on this case are surprisingly weak yes, because the witnesses are really strong

we have reporters we have police officers we have psychiatrists that are going to come in and see some weird crazy shit we got ventriloquists if you can't trust a ventriloquist magicians nothing is more trustworthy than a man who tricks you with cards

well the best that debunkers can do is to say that people are stupid and eyewitnesses can never be trusted now I will agree eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable when it comes to singular events when there are over a thousand events witnessed by multiple people

over nearly 2 years it gets a little harder to write off and the fact that Maurice Gross and Peggy Peggy Hodgson never asked for money they both technically ruined their lives this whole thing it bankrupted Maurice Gross

he sort of lived the rest of his life defending the work that he did here because this would become everything that he's known for the Warrens got all the credit for this thing and the Conjuring too I mean the debunkers the best they can do is they just go nahhh

let's go to the bar as far as the other reasons for them faking it it could be said that Maurice Gross was doing it to deal with the death of his daughter guy play fair had a book to write even though he constantly said I didn't want to write a book

the more you say it the more it sounds like you want to write a book was doing it for the attention and Peggy was doing it to think about anything else but her husband sleeping with a young her ex husband sleeping with a young girl and the rags piling up well I know she's got a lot to do

Janet's also obviously the smartest person in that house even as an 11 year old girl yeah she's very clever everybody else is pretty damn only because it's like I mean Peggy just kind of comes from working class neighborhood in UK she just doesn't have that kind of faculty I think to organize

this type of this long of a hoax and Janet is it's kind of stuck in this kind of being held back by this family did they try to throw away the marbles well we'll find out exactly I would throw those marbles away they tried that with disastrous consequences

really oh my goodness well at any rate author guy play fair decided to join the case after a front page story in the Daily Mirror and a radio appearance by Peggy Hodgson and Mrs. Nottingham in which the neighbor she saw an impression on Janet's bed as if someone either was

or had been lying there yeah her ex husband even though there had been nobody in the room what are you talking about her ex husband it was tiny little lump too it's a baby lump oh this is Janet's bed yeah not Peggy's bed no forget about it and the impression is not going to be there for years afterwards the mental

impression yeah because you imagine what that builders weird body was like making those poor children you're just a brave guy play fair showed up in mid-september of 1977 the mood in the house was so tense that just the appearance of a daddy long legs in the

kitchen caused what he described as an unreasonable panic I understand Daddy long legs are kind of creepy I love them okay problem was nothing happened in play fair's presence at least at first so in an effort to catch Janet as play fair wasn't

convinced yet he engrossed made a big production of going down the stairs and then they snuck back up again this is how they thought to fool the kids like all right go downstairs for the night that's a good idea there go I guess we should do that yep down the stairs we go

and then they would go start climbing together coconuts like Monty Python and then they would walk back up oh I see like criminals in a Sherlock Holmes play that's when the marble dropped just as it had before straight to the floor with no bouncing

or rolling this time right in front of play fair and this is when he tried to replicate it over and over and over again just dropping the marble on the floor over and over again in the middle of the night but he couldn't make it happen this is a fun little game I like to play called the silly little drop in

game sometimes I call it drop in the middle baby why Monarch and I sorry I was the first thing I was thinking of how everyone had their mnoshes in here this is where Scooby would get scared

well this is when guy play fair decided this case was worth sticking around for and play fair invited the Daily Mirror photographer back for another go round to see if he could capture proof but they found when they set up the state of the art equipment all three of the flash bulbs failed to

go off and this would be a running theme in the infield poltergeist haunting just said just as it is with most other poltergeist cases electronics and mechanical objects just don't work as they should around poltergeist activity interesting and as with most of this

stuff this can be taken either as proof that paranormal activity is a foot or proof that nothing is going on and all these people are just lying about their equipment malfunction and I think it just comes down to what you believe in if you believe in it or not and I think that what we have talked about before with

cases specific sometimes with ghosts it is a very personal experience they just talk about the vibe in that house everybody who talks about the infield house where they were where they said it felt strange it felt like there was somebody in there it felt like they were being watched all the time

they walk around it's a very personal experience being haunted like being abducted is more of a weirdly personal psychedelic experience than anything else because it's the activities coming from inside of your brain like acid like you're tripping on acid and it's a little girl is projecting her reality out onto a bunch

of people in a room and are kind of subjected to it like subjected to her trip it's very interesting but I think you can really only see the haunting from inside of it there should be a camera company that makes cameras that can hold up to a poltergeisting is poltergeisting a term? I think

we can make it one poltergeisting is this how you're going to see a company you're going to say stuff like we need candy cane shoes can you guys do that? yeah of course you lick them off of yourself at the end of the night so soon after the photographer incident

the first of many disturbing events involving a pillow occurred one night many disturbing events with pillows I know but we're not talking this isn't your origin story so it won't be so disgusting and one night Playfair and Peggy noticed an indentation on a pillow

that appeared to be the same size and shape as a child's head even though no one had been laying there after seeing this Peggy decided that the ghost was definitely a child and she had good reason for thinking so because years earlier down the street a four year old girl had been smothered

to death by her father who killed himself right after the reason why Peggy thought that the spirit had settled into their house was because she having been acquaintances of this family had acquired some of their furniture don't take the furniture

so she died on this couch can't have it I can just take it then it's totally haunted but it's free and I can squat out over it it's gonna ruin your life it's totally haunted once the activity started

she threw all that furniture out but she was convinced that the spirit had stayed behind and speaking of Peggy's sensitivity she said she could always tell when the poltergeist was about to make trouble as she'd get a headache in the same spot in her head right before everything went to hell

every time it's different than any other pains we got I got hook feet I got sandy ankles I got rag lung hold on you got rag lung I got rag lung from the fibers from the fibers of all the rags you clean

oh we're scraping and digging it does that the hard stains on the rags well I never heard of that before I didn't even know that was a job I did not know that and the activity wasn't just specific to the Hodgson house once when the Hodgson family was down the street at Peggy's brother's house

a plastic rod from a toy suddenly materialized in front of Peggy's sister-in-law as she was poor in tea and that is one of the most rare forms of poltergeist activity and it happens a lot so it's following them it just pops up it follows her it follows Janet it follows Janet it follows Janet

but not too far which we'll find out later that's the interesting thing is that it follows Janet but it only follows her so far hmm it's kind of cool though like Wi-Fi again it's like Wi-Fi yeah now then came the apparitions seen not just

by play fair gross or the Hodgson's but neighbors as well the brother saw the first one he saw a light a foot tall burning in the Hodgson's window which slowly faded away that is crazy the idea of walking into a house because he walked over in one house

and there was just it looked like a floating fluorescent bulb was just in front of him now in that same day both Vick Nottingham and Peggy saw an old woman with gray hair appear in different windows completely independent of each other

and later on young Johnny saw an apparition of an old man with big white teeth staring at him clean disgusting nice English American looking looking teeth don't worry there mate it's just me Jimmy Savile nothing can go wrong here

Jesus Rumblitz rapes her name in the back of his record store wall God the incident with the old woman happened only a month into the case and already 15 people had seen something and were convinced that something paranormal

was happening in the house that's when play fair made the first of his hundreds of audio recordings recorded in the Hodgson house to see if the phenomena still occurred when no one outside of the Hodgson's were present honestly this is where the research their their idea of trying to get unfettered

like unbiased information that they could put down gets a little creepy because they definitely put cameras inside of little girls rooms without them knowing I don't think that they're creepy I don't think that the whole situation is kind of creepy I think they're sexless I don't think anything like that was going on

I actually do think they are the sort of things that we would think like ah that's a little creepy like that's a little sexual and weird it just doesn't cross their mind at all well they're ghost hunting, they're searching for the truth they're real scientists unemotional sparks

slow down the audio on that first recording wasn't great as the family was watching escape from the planet of the apes that night while the recorder was going I think he's a real monkey so I think they're displaying monkeys I don't know mother I mean like well a monkey

would have a monkey's face Janet you are the smartest one we're trying to get the ghosts on audio here if you want to keep it down there's monkeys in a tiny box in the house yeah we've got to get rid of this box this box showed me monkeys and shown me

wars it's a VHS player escape from the planet of the apes was being watched very lovely but the nox still registered it's very interesting because it sounds like a recording of a nox

is being played in the house it's a very hollow sound it doesn't sound like it's there, it sounds like everything's fake it's very interesting and it moves around it moves from the walls to the ceiling and what they said about the nox as well

is it sounded like it came from inside the walls or inside the ceiling because right above he said one time he heard a knock the floor was carpeted the floor in the room was carpeted but the knock did not sound

like a hand wrapping on a carpeted muscle floor it sounded hollow it sounded like it came from inside possible a little rodent is it a rodent knocking on the knock that was actually Peggy Hart running joke it moistened back

it's kind of cute but there were obviously many rats in there they were trying to make it their way to America oh well playfair then arranged for a husband and wife team of mediums named Annie and George Shaw to drop by the Hodgson house to see if they can make some sort of contact with this thing Annie sat down

and told the Hodgson's that the spirit was most likely going to speak through her but there was no reason to be afraid she invited the spirit in and immediately let out a witchy cackle oh that's good I thought a fart could be funny that's just me

and then she spat at her husband who quietly responded with I've been spattered by better people than you now look at this look and see what went wrong and we'll show you how to put it right and then Annie replied goza goza help me elvie come here goza

and this is where Dan Akroy got the name goza from it's really because he brought up this book this house is haunted several times he is us I love Dan Akroy he is hilarious this book came out in 1980 and he started writing the ghost buster script

around this time but of course like Dan Akroy he just eats this stuff up he loves paranormal stuff and he said himself that goza is where they got it from because they wanted something that had some sort of real world connection he totally believes in aliens as well there's a documentary where he's talking about aliens

but then he talks about how he just like slept through it he's like I didn't get out of bed and that's the whole story but it's like get out of bed you're an alien a fishy anato he's tired anyway so George described goza as a nasty face of work a sort of black magic chap cool

elvie on the other hand was said by George to be an elemental which is a lower form of energy that does all the day to day ghost stuff for higher powers a lot like what the grays do in the alien world yes and also sort of like what slender man proxies do and when they're not being just bent over a fucking bench

I don't think we need to get into this creepy pasta erotic pasta that was last we don't need to revisit the horniness of the last episode but it is really interesting that you know like there's so many connections between the ghost

world and the alien world I've been saying this for fucking years everyone who's into them are divorced unhealthy their drinking problems are developing because I realize that at some point at some point I will have to abandon you my friends

my family and go somewhere and really get to the bottom of the UFO scenario I know I will do that I know I will get to the bottom of it we had a little campaign event and then you just slammed a bottle of whiskey and I can't even imagine what you said to yourself in the mirror I was watching the defiant ones I was watching Dr. Dre being like

I'm like him just being very confident but no it's obviously aliens and all paranormal activity are connected to it's projections of our brains it's somewhere between another entity using us as a conduit to basically

create them and then that relationship is completely psychedelic but I also believe that they also have a consciousness so okay and people say how do individuals believe in religion well there you go slap you in the fucking you're far away from me today

on this episode and you might have to kick me so after the session George and Annie went about quote unquote healing Janet's aura and it worked for a little while at least the Hodgson house was quiet for about a week before the activity started back up again the bed shook

sheets were torn off the bed and the knocks got so loud that they were heard by the knottinghams next door the classic poles of water started appearing as well just as they had in the black monk of punterfracht case and in many other poltergeist cases then

it started to get violent one night and that he said she said boom oh oh we got Lynn Bizkin in the house the ghost is named Fred Fred Durst he keeps turning my hat backwards and it is unbecoming of a researcher one night Janet

said an apparition of an old man sat in the chair next to her bed and put her hand over her mouth and nose suffocating her later she said she saw another old man sitting on her bed that old man looked like Vic Knottingham's father and actually Janet had a very good

relationship with Vic Knottingham's father he was very friendly to her and she thought that like oh grandfather Knottingham is here to protect me from the bad old man okay we're not going to get too into this I just don't like having the two old men fighting over the little girl it's a very strange scenario

I once woke up in the middle of the night and saw an apparition of my grandmother sitting on my bed at least she was sitting on your bed you know what I mean? I don't even get the wink but was it your grandmother yeah it was solely my grandmother was it just her?

it was either the most vivid dream of my life or I did wake up one night and yeah there was an apparition sitting on my bed and it looked exactly like her was it just your grandmother? because grandparents just want to be around young people she had died she was dead

well you didn't mention that key element she had died years earlier why would I be mentioning my grandmother sitting on my bed if she wasn't dead I thought that was a given I said an apparition of my grandmother but she still could be alive

just in a different form you're being an obstructionist I'm not being an obstructionist I am not being an obstructionist you're being fooled you're being a real kidney stone in the urethra today now ben before you say to take the goddamn chair out of the room

if it was causing so much trouble taking the marbles out take all that stuff out playfair tried that yes they were very thorough but in one of the most dangerous incidents the poltergeist instead ripped off the iron grill from a fireplace

and flung it towards little Johnny's bed just missing his head almost killed him then not too long after the entity tore the iron frame from the fireplace which was cemented into brick and bent the pipe attached to it at a 32 degree angle

and if this is true there was no way an 11 year old girl and a 7 year old boy could have done this if this was Russia and maybe they were put into a strongman competition from an early age which I could see it but honestly it was a bent pipe bent all the way back

it's a crazy it's just one of those incidences where you look at it real like that's not possible a Wisconsin farm boy might have been able to do it but these are city folks and again that all depends on whether you believe them when they say that they didn't bend the pipe

you can always say well they just bent that pipe themselves did they bend the pipe? no yeah little kids shouldn't be bending pipes I'm not even talking about the kids it doesn't seem like these guys would do it because they're so nerdily invested

in real poltergeist activity that it might ruin it for them but we also know that a lot of times people will fake evidence in order to juice what they really believe of course they think it's worth it because at least it gets their story out Stan Romineck is the perfect example of that Stan Romineck obviously the UFO guy

the one that Netflix documentary based on he obviously was making shit up after a while he faked all his YouTube videos but the original videos he had of Orbs and the things he saw I think were completely legit and then at some point but you want to sell the message yeah you gotta juice it

well these incidents these are just a few of the over 400 that happened in the first few months and naturally the Hodgson's needed a holiday so they were off to Clacton on sea for a week together I don't understand how many times I hear stories about the UK like beach

vacation spots it just sounds like places where like you sit in a rocking chair and you die on the beach it's just cold it's like 30 degrees out there and the beach is all rocks yep just look at a pile of garbage bags but the night before

they left Playfair took some advice from the oldest living member of the SPR a one doctor E.J. Dingwall I love this guy I really love this guy he said if the ghost was rapping it was time to wrap back

sometimes when you get in there you gotta throw down your dopest lyrics you've got to smash him with your mama jibes and jibes about how you have more money and street power than him and how your gat will fire multiple rounds

before his can the old british rap battle the rapping and knocking other sits around the house that's kind of fun now what follows is an actual audio recording of Maurice Gross communicating with the spirit using Nox

one for no, two for yes also I will note most people do say you should not actually communicate with the poltergeist because it says it encourages the behavior and things are going to increase and get worse and what do we find out in this case, boom that's exactly what happens, much worse knock

one for no two for yes are you a male spirit one for no and two for yes that's true you are a male spirit

did you used to live in this house you did was it was it more than 50 years ago yes did you die in this house did you pass on

you did pass on in this house now why are you here are you unhappy you're not unhappy but why are you here is it because you want to give us a special message no you don't want to give us a special message

are you having a game with me oh right as I asked the questions are you having a game with me it's through the cardboard box and the pillow right in my face

well thank you very much that was a very good answer wow that's so cool a box flew off the table hit him in the face and I had to do ear or the background you crums they are a fun bunch yeah that box

it flew 8 feet with such a force that it made a swishing sound as it flew and if you sit and listen to that footage alone with headphones on like I did I'm an orchestra too we're the new version of guy play fair and Maurice Gross but we're going to make it sexy

we're going to make it new we're going to get fun you can hear that the knocks are coming from different places in a room it sounds farther away and then it's closer it's fun scary stuff they tried to replicate the sound of the box

swishing through the air but no matter how many times they threw that box across the little girl's room they could not reproduce it this is such a fun place to be a kid it is the strange thing about Gross is that the activity seemed to happen around him a hell of a lot more than it happened

around anyone else apart from the family themselves in fact it rarely even happened in play fairs presence some people think that there is a connection between how much one is open to the experience and how much one actually experiences but skeptics say that that's just proof that one hears

and sees what one wants to hear I believe that perception has got a lot to do with it but if it is really happening though I think what is the reason why he sees more activity than play fair does is because I think Janet really sort of goes to love Maurice Gross

they spend a lot of time together because he reminds her she reminds him of his daughter he's sitting there and he's doing homework with her and he's hanging out a lot and he's become a comforting presence in the house and you can see how she becomes emotionally closer to him

it's almost like she's letting him in on more of the activity that is coming from her own brain dangerous stuff so if the more open you are to it then the more likely it is that you're going to see it I don't know you want it too much I'm out there looking forward

I watch the skies when Natalie is down so I've been alone so I've got a lot more like one thing I did last night I was out last night I drank a bunch of whiskey alone again and I got a bottle of white wine and I drank most of that and I just sat on my stoop just looking at the skies

looking for UFOs all the time living like the woman in the notebook just staring at the heavens trying to remember the past I'm always looking for UFOs I put myself in scary situations not really but I put it I look for ghosts but they don't come you put yourself in an icky spooky situation

I try to just walking to weird spots interestingly when the Hodgson's went on holiday to collect an on-see the only incident was when Peggy Hodgson was woken up by the sound of a dog barking

coming from Janet's bed that will only become important in part two of this series and when the Hodgson's returned the activity picked up right where it left off a sofa levitated four feet off the ground Janet was thrown eight feet out of a chair

the entity even managed to freeze Margaret on the stairs and she was only able to move with the help of Maurice Gross still a fun house it's not bad but they said the way they described the touch was that it felt like pressure

like it felt like a cold pressure wrapping around them almost like a wind tunnel wrapping around them and all of a sudden they just can't fucking move then the messages started Peggy called out to the spirit asking it to write down any messages it had so they could all stop with the goddamn knock

much to her surprise five minutes later she found a message on top of the fridge it said I will stay in this house do not read this to anyone else or I will retaliate now it is true that the paper came

from one of Janet's notebooks but Peggy stresses that she was in the kitchen the whole time after calling out to the spirit and there was no way for one of the kids to sneak in without her noticing the next message showed up on the living room table

it said can I have a teabag got a double meaning Peggy obliged and placed a teabag on the table and a few seconds later a second teabag crumpled and torn peered next to it even though Peggy said she was alone in the room

later that day Peggy's ex-husband showed up at the house to make his monthly child support payments just thrown at her with a fucking grocery bag full of pennies I guess cause he got it was very tense every time he showed up extremely tense

because this guy of course the ex-husband like he didn't believe any of this stuff so he just showed up give her the money laugh at her a lot of times he had his much younger much more attractive new wife right on his arm

it's like a movie and they're just like like laughing at her she's stuck in there she's completely broke she's got Maurice Gross who won't fuck her and I mean like

she's kind of hoping I think in the little bit too it's being like she's also kind of attracted Maurice Gross trying to keep him around and Maurice is just bathed and all the attention could be and he's married

he's a happily married man what's she up to during all this his wife patiently waiting look at that now Peggy going against the entity's instructions showed the ex-husband the message in a bid to get him to take her seriously

immediately after he left she realized what she'd done and apologized to the spirit saying she hadn't remembered the last part of the message another paper appeared on the table that said a misunderstanding

don't do it again I know who that was that guy's scary sounding but it also must be mentioned that the handwriting was pretty damn close to Janet's I think that this was obviously because she did admit to faking some stuff

and I think that this is that's pretty intelligent stuff for an 11 year old I think that when you're watching Beware the Slender Man the new HBO doc well I guess it's not that new it's like a couple months old

and about the two little girls that stabbed their friend according to you know like to Slender Man's whims the lead girl not Morgan I think has the traits of a psychopath and I don't buy anything that she says saying that she believes that Slender Man

wants her to join and have her go to the mansion doesn't believe anything I think that little kids are surprisingly capable of doing like very ornate hoaxes and very clever things and I think that this is the most innocent thing that you could do

this is literally her trying to make her mom feel better like trying to like do a thing and she saw her mom be so upset that she just did this little joke not a joke but like be like maybe this will help her it's gonna be scary though and you know if she was able to pull this entire thing off

that's a pretty damn good trick for an 11 year old girl between her and Lisa Simpson I don't know who's smarter oh my god but either way that doesn't explain how Janet was suddenly being thrown from her bed night after night sometimes

followed by Margaret being thrown as well Janet had also started falling into trances she would cry and scream the word mummy over and over again except she pronounced it mamai mamai

mamai just real British nicknames and when she spoke in these trances it was creepy nonsensical shit like where's gober he'll kill you where's gober

he'll kill you yeah and she did say gober not gozer interesting and what's really interesting is that gobell is actually a French word

it means one to swallow whole two to believe easily without evidence or three to take a shitload of acid or ecstasy seriously?

cool gobell gobear I'm sure I'm not pronouncing that right and I'm sure people will let me know we don't have a lot of French-speaking people although we are going to be in Canada we can ask the French-Canadian

there's going to be but there's plenty of people that think they're very clever speaking French out there gober gober gober gober I just want to say gober

and then I say pack attack is on the attack go pack gober come on Peggy even tried taking Janet to get some mental help at a hospital especially after these trances but nothing seemed to get through to her the only thing that seemed to calm her

or the activity down for any period of time was spirit mediums well also Peggy was anti any psychiatrist seeing Janet at all because she blamed the son that appears to be sent away for no reason she blames a psychiatrist

for doing that to him which also thinks you don't know what he did I don't know what he did I just see him with the Halloween mask on like old Michael Myers stabbing three or four babies it was your fault psychologist in fact in the very beginning

when I think it was when Fallows told her that he was going to contact the society for psychical research she fainted because she thought that psychical was more psychiatrist who were going to send Janet away as well

it's a whole room of them find a room burn it down now the second set of mediums named Luis Gaspareto and Elsie Dubugra came from Brazil when they arrived at the Hodgson House

they first went upstairs to get in contact with their spirit guides I love Brazil it's not that's all these guys don't even worry about it I don't know

Mexico and Brazil are very far apart from each other different they have a lot of that that's Germany yeah somebody that's closer no it's like I don't know

what's the same of those loud things that they played during soccer matches the Vizula I don't know when the two Brazilians came back down they yelled at Janet for a while and both English and Portuguese

and Janet was perfectly fine again now this is what Elsie wrote about what she thought was wrong with Janet I see this child Janet in the Middle Ages a cruel and wanton woman who caused suffering to families of young men some of these seem to have come back now

to get even with her and her family that's scary stuff both Louise and Elsie claim that Janet was an extremely powerful medium and she began training at once to control her powers kind of like a Jedi

oh it's kind of cool it's kind of cool she should have went to Brazil can you imagine that having chosen that life instead leave fucking this horrible place in the UK

go to Brazil where it's nothing but sunshine people with their tits out beautiful butts beautiful horror music men are very attractive to Harry and sometimes not Harry and of course

Janet never did which may explain the absolutely shattered state that she lives in today she's still around she's just in her early fifties I mean 11 in 1977 she looks not to belabor the point

she looks haunted she looks extremely haunted at all times kind of tired yeah but after that particular spirit healing session Janet fell into another trance pretty soon after they left

this time though she started drawing pictures but I think it's interesting because Louise one of the Brazilian mediums his main thing was drawing pictures doing automatic pictures and it was kind of like he

maybe she saw that and saw what he did or that was like a thing that he didn't do it there but that's what he does well play fair said that they never mentioned it in front of her

what it was that he actually did that he did because he would channel like Renoir and draw pictures in his style now Janet she started drawing pictures of blood and knives

awesome or just the word blood over and over and over again the only picture with any meaning was one of a woman with blood pouring from her neck in the name Watson written underneath

and when play fair asked Peggy if she knew any Watson's Peggy replied that the couple who lived in the house before them 12 years earlier had been named Watson Peggy revealed that Mr. Watson had died in the house

as for Mrs. Watson she had died not too long afterward up the road from a tumor in her throat just like Janet had drawn she's killing people with her drawings wow

and that's where we'll pause alright we've got ourselves a real poltergeist here oh yeah we'll be back next week with the conclusion of the infield poltergeist the activity only escalates it gets creepier

I think this story is better than the one that was talked about in country 2 get the words out of here oh my goodness we don't need Christian superheroes this is a much better story Maurice Gross is such a good hero he's a genuine

he's a genuine student of the paranormal he wants to help this family he's got nowhere to go his wife what they do with British wives when men go out to war they just put him to sleep I don't know if that's true

I'm not sure if there's no evidence of that and guy play fair like he would make a great surly sidekick like he would be the comic relief a very dry humor yes perfect yes and then Legos

everyone likes those product placement and that's product placement for Legos yes wow alright so thank you

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