Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 280: The Enfield Poltergeist Part II - Poopergeist

Episode Date: August 4, 2017

On the conclusion to the series, we cover the infamous voice that overtook both girls in the Hodgson home, the levitation that shocked a nation, and the unfortunate excreta development that finally drove the family to the edge. Inspired Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Honey Bee Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started So I've been watching a lot of fresh out on YouTube have you seen this what is fresh out this show is about It's a it's a big huge man It just fresh fresh from the penitentiary and people said in questions about fucking like what's life like on the inside I know when you're locked up in a who scout and I got to say man You better be careful not to be a Peter watcher All right because you can get your wig split if you're a chomo you get your wig

Oh my shot color comes up to the yard You're doing your machina even if you're in the middle of your machina and he puts you out on a call He puts you out on a work and you're making pruno you got to do something like that You got to deliver up to the big dog. All right, and you don't roll up with your homies man. You can get your wig split There's so many ways. I can't wait to see you in part. You need to be incarcerated so bad I would love to watch you in jail. All right. This is the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben Kisselt that is Marcus Parks. Hey, I guess recently released from prison Henry Zabrowski You got to get your back up against the wall so you only have to defend three sides

Oh, you can make a shank out of toothbrush. You can make a weapon out of a sock and a lock. It's called a sock and a lock Okay, well, I gotta tell you this that's honestly Kisselt. What would be such a big bitch mark for them I of course they would and the rooms are 11 by 6 for the most part so I couldn't even lay down either direction Anyway, we're gonna have to call you but think about it. Kisselt. What they'd call you like the question mark Oh my god, yeah, exactly. I would look like royalty with spina bifidus. All right, all right Let's get to the end field. Let's get to the end field poltergeist part two. It's only spooky. You're from here Now we picked the story back up in December of 1977 just three months after the haunting began in 16 months before it would end and things would only get worse for the Hodgson family from here

The poltergeist appeared to be getting more powerful as with the iron grate of the fireplace that we talked about in the last episode The one that almost hit the little boy in the head Oh, yeah, the poltergeist opened the metal door of the refrigerator so hard that it hit the Hodgson stove and left a large dent Now do we know for a fact that norm from Cheers wasn't just drunken in their house at midnight? No, he's an American it was mr. Belvedere. Oh I see I apologize But it would do innocuous things as well such as when it lifted a pile of folded clothes off the kitchen table and Tossed them five feet away to the floor still neatly folded all in the plain view of gross play fair and the family

And you would believe the Oak Crumbs were heard across the neighborhood. There is also Poltergeists are very naughty, but not evil. Yeah, that's the thing we talk about all the time is that when you cover poltergeist Is that they normally do things that are very kind of like mischievous when they just do it to annoy you very juvenile, huh? It's very juvenile. It's like and they say it's like there's a child in the room Except you don't want it to be sitting on your lap Definitely not wait. Do you want children to be sitting in your lap? Why would you go down this road? I do not want it to all right fairly soon after Janet's picture drawing exhibition with the Brazilians She and sister Margaret started sharing dreams yelling at each other in their sleep and in one incident Margaret yelled

Go away you tinny of things running about destroying things like a little Dr. Seuss Oh, that's kind of fun. That's a cute little rhyme a play fair and gross knew that the girls weren't faking as they have performed the inappropriate if it was anyone else Sleeping tests on them such as forcing their eyelids apart and tickling their armpits just thank God for these kids They didn't wake up during that. How horrifying is it? No, just making sure you were asleep I was asleep before you open my eyelids. It does say mean inappropriate, but I'm from the SPR So this is that this is a part of our exercises I mean, I need to suck in all of out of her belly button and if she doesn't respond

She's asleep. Let me just Just stay asleep Seriously, would you stop treating me like a human martini, please? But They did find that the girls would answer questions during these dream episodes Margaret was asked just what those tin little things running about destroying things were to which she replied Number one is a baby number two is a little girl Three is a big girl four is a very young girl about 15 Five is a very old lady

Six is a young boy Seven he's getting on to about 18. Eight is an old man Number nine. I don't know what it is. He hasn't got a face And number ten he's gone away. Wow. Well, it got scary with number nine It's just basically a DMV line and then it got spooky there No, she then suddenly said the name Frank Watson Watson being the How many times have I woke it up in the night Frank Watson? Oh Watson was the same name that Janet had written underneath the picture of the wooden bleeding from her throat

Remember from the end of last episode and when Margaret was asked who Watson was Margaret said the man who died in the chair downstairs Oh, that is creepy. See it's cute. It's creepy like that But then if you say it be like the man you don't it ain't down stays Then it becomes like silly. Yeah, it comes like I mean it's leading a tour around downtown London Yeah, or the spookiest house in public housing The neighbors later confirmed that Frank Watson had indeed died in a chair from a brain hemorrhage in The living room Wow, I gotta say that is how you want to go on a lazy boy aneurysm boom Gun awesome. Oh, yeah

Now that they had proved that they could use the unconscious to at the very least glean information from the entity Playfair decided to hypnotize Janet to see if he could get any more information To do this he brought in SPR member dr. Ian Fletcher Now apart from being a hypnotist dr. Fletcher was a surgeon and a member of the magic circle Which is a British organization dedicated to the advancement of the art of illusory magic with a C Not to be confused with ritual magic with a K. Thank you dog meat. Thank you again always say that because it comes down to yes There are parlor tricks. All right. There are parlor tricks There are things that have to be used for deceitment and for amusement, but then there are other things for use for accentuating

Your ability to make things happen in your reality And I'm glad and this man was just really good at making coins appear out of children Uh-huh. I get the feeling that all of the elastic on his underwear is overstretched and I don't know why yes very large man So dr. Fletcher drew Janet into a trance and started asking questions the first few questions were mostly about what had been happening in the house over the Last few months and Janet's answers all matched up with the evidence and testimony at hand Then Fletcher asked a question that debunkers often point towards as proof that the girls were faking the whole damn thing When dr. Fletcher asked if Janet knew who had been causing all the activity. She said me and my sister

Sister hmm, but people who use this as proof are completely ignoring all of the answers Janet gave following this one When Fletcher asked why she thought she and her sister were to blame. She said don't know Fletcher then asked who started the trouble and Janet said none of us and When Fletcher asked what the case of the trouble was Janet depressingly replied an increase in unhappiness Oh It is incredibly sad. I'm almost wondering if the government needs to go and maybe take the kids away

You can't take away children for being depressed. All right. All right. That's true. That's nanny state stuff. I got it One of the nicknames of London is foggy old London town It is a foggy sad place an increase in unhappiness is expected I think I'm mostly should dr. Fletcher's immediately being like well You should probably have a stiff upper lip then because it only gets worse than this Yeah, can't wait to have to line up for teabags when we're in world war three Janet then said something surprising now according to her answers She never really paid much mind to Maury's gross and guy play red despite them being almost constant fixtures in her life

For the previous three months. She actually she said that her answers kind of implied that she regarded them almost as just Furniture. Hmm. She didn't even really seem to have much interest in the paranormal Even after months of questions and attention regard regarding the activity Janet still referred to the poltergeist as The polka dice the polka dice Reminds me of growing up in Wisconsin when you were allowed to be drunk at eight as long as you're wearing a kill polka dice is a really fun It's a really fun dice game to play unless you get snake eyes, and then you have to blow old uncle Gorski Not good. Oh

We used to wear a lot of later hosin growing up. You wouldn't believe it. Did you oh, yeah We had a full later hosin as a family really. Oh, we have a family. Oh my god. It's adorable. I have to see it Yeah, we were a cute family. Did you come were they like handed down from family? I know I think they were bought especially for us kids It's part of a simulated into our German culture. You didn't have to scrape the little asses off of them. Thank you, Henry Well, really we're talking about right now. We're talking about Guy play for our Maurice gross being regarded by Janet as merely like pieces of furniture Just something that she has to deal with but this is only like three months into the whole thing So as we talked about in the last episode, you know Janet kind of treating these guys as father figures

They were around for well over for almost two years So it could be that that relationship developed as time went on and as we'll see that relationship does in fact develop Now following the hypnotism session the entity began bending spoons as was the style at the time in The late 70s a self-proclaimed psychic named Yuri Geller got famous for going on TV and bending spoons Seemingly with his mind He currently uses this power to sell corn flakes in the UK It's sort of fake. This is one of the more fake behaviors in the entire haunting is the spoon bending Yeah, that is a thing that I think that she watched on TV and she did because they had very thin silverware

Because this was working class United Kingdom. Yep, they are not this is they did not have the heavy China Yeah, isn't the Queen's like silverware there and this is like 1977 so shit was really really bad in the UK at this time So the poltergeist or Janet depending on who you ask took a cue from the spoon bending craze and started bending spoons all Around the house Peggy Hodgson actually saw it happen with her own eyes twice with each spoon bending in exactly the same spot So they fit together perfectly. That's the interesting part about the spoon bending But that's also if you believe Peggy Hodgson. No, it was very exact and also It it's the same thing with the notes possibly left by Janet that kind of shit where it's like it's a very complicated

hoax Janet needs to be some sort of like a genius when she goes to sleep in order for this to work Yeah, I mean like she was a very strange little girl Yeah, you wonder if you know there's a there's a spoon bender in town But then someone comes in bending sporks and then that guy's out of business But sporks are usually plastic because then there's tougher to bend unless you got a lighter well this right here after the spoon Bending this is when the infamous voice began Now as we said in our last episode when the Hodgson family was on holiday to clockton on sea

Peggy had been awoken in the middle of the night by the sound of a dog barking coming from her children's bunk beds Oh, they always wanted a dog In December of 1977 the noises came home It began as a combination of loud whistles and barking coming from Janet's Facility, although the noises didn't seem to have been made by Janet herself They always seem to be coming from behind her. Did they see any New York City construction workers? You ever had a New York City? I mean, I know the whistling, but you ever had one bark at you I get it. I honestly get catcalled all the time from from construction workers. You don't get catcalled

You just get hey big guy. Hey big guy No, but some of them you can tell are just like I'd like to ask you on a date Because of social standards and the homosexuality that is not looked upon Positively within the community that I'm currently working with I cannot sexually hit on you, but I can't say you play basketball I got barked at by a construction worker, and it was an attempt to scare me It happens to all of us well concerning Janet whistling Janet had particularly large teeth at this age You know when I hit puberty my hands and my feet were the first things to grow my hands and my feet are still at six foot tall still Grossly outsized for my body. They are but they were the first things to grow when I hit puberty

So I was about six inches shorter with Janet the first thing to grow on her was her teeth like a mule like a mule wow She she is somewhere between a mule and she's got like an old English man's mouth inside of a little girl's body Fun well according to play fair these gigantic teeth made it impossible for her to whistle Oh, she can't wish her a nice you got it. Oh, you're gonna have to chisel these down for how to whistle poor girl She'll never be able to play with Art Garfunkel Just trying to shave them down like like the toenails of Jim Carrey and Dumb and Dumber But play fair gross reason that if the poltergeist could make noise then it could ostensibly speak and so contact was made

Present at the first communication aside from Glossom gross and play fair were two other SPR members named Anita Gregory and John Belloff Here is audio from that first attempt at communication. Let me hear you say my name. Come on. Let me hear you say my name. That's not my name. Let us Say dr. Belloff. Come on. Let me hear you say that Come on. Let's hear you say dr. Belloff Say say dr. Belloff Oh

That's scary stuff. Yeah, that voice is coming from an 11 year old girl The barks the voice that's all coming from a little girl Hmm, but they did the same thing right with the the person that did the voice for the exorcist It was it was a woman that they had a strap to a chair and she would change smoke They would put cigarettes in her mouth to make her change smoke and they'd give her feed her raw eggs Do all this shit and they tortured her and that's her saying it's very difficult For this voice to have been made by a little girl Especially if you listen to Janet's real voice if you watch the interview when they did like the actual the real footage that exists from the

BBC when they were first investigating the haunting she does just sound like a Yeah, I mean like it's not she did not have the voice abilities of a Henry Zabrowski Oh, I is the very talent. Hey, come on. Come on Henry Zabrowski. Let's see a little bit of poltergeist action here I'm trapped inside this get me outside of this little girl I don't this is illegal. It's illegal for me to be inside this little girl Technically in the ghost realm that is allowed So this was this was Janet that was this noise was coming from Janet this noise this voice and we'll hear even more from her Okay, now further questions revealed the name Joe Watson

I went miss Watson Yeah, Frank and Joe Watson Frank and Joe Watson double Watson's and when mr. Watson was told by Maurice gross that he was dead and Should move on very forcefully I might add hmm gross got a well-placed Fuck off for his troubles. Wow. Yeah, he did medicine kid. It said fuck off you with its favorite saying That's all it would say fuck off This is great, so it's sort of maybe it's a bit of a Tourette syndrome or something like that Well, we're gonna get into that. Yeah, actually that is that is very much something that we're gonna get into now the big rub here At least at first was that the voice only came when Maurice gross was out of the room or when no one was looking at

Janet but the thing was doing that voice for hours at a time which Janet was sometimes known to do would have left Anyone's throat rot especially the throat of a 12-year-old girl, but she was never horse No, she never cleared her throat never she didn't cough even me just doing the voice Just then is very difficult for me to do it still hurts and I smoke and drink and and she live a terrible life And it's very difficult for me to do even try it like I can try it like I'm a little girl Smokes cigarettes. I never want to hear you say that again I smoke cigarettes

Lord you all sound like Carrie Fisher right now And even that her right been been a repeat like you try you try you try pull two guys boys I'm a little girl that smokes cigarettes all the time and drinks modellos I hit on tolman when I'm working in construction sites Hey, I got any gum No, no either Janet was getting secret ventriloquism lessons after school or Never say that again If you're a parent of a kid though, and you're just like they're not coming home on time at your school

What's going on? They smoke and weed they're smoking cigarettes do and dope and you're like Secret ventriloquist lessons. This is worse than we thought wait a second are these racist puppets It's just done them. What is happening? Well either it was that or there was something even weirder going on the whistling in particular is interesting Now I didn't know this but sometimes whistling accompanies possession Such as it did in the case of the devil of my scone in 1612 and that is a story that we need to do an entire episode on it's an incredible story There's all this nun fucking in it. It's not lesbian nuns and like a priest is just coming in and sticking his like trying them out

Like he's like just tasting perfumes at a mall. He loves these nuns Now we might have actually covered it now that I remember it seems like we've covered the devil of my scone before I think it was on the Black monk of Pontifract case. I think we mentioned it briefly Well, we'll have to go back and listen to the audio where Henry gets audibly aroused and we'll find out if we were covering that subject Or not. Well, what I didn't know about that case though is that that's case at the same progression of loud whistling into a horse voice speaking through a young girl and it is Doubtful that Janet Hodgson knew about the obscure possession case from the 17th century Right, and there was another story in Brazil that had the same exact thing

We see this story like they are tropes for a reason now The idea of noises and things moving around building to a voice coming out of a central person that's located That is essentially the what the poltergeist is attached to it's very common now But in that and back then there was not a lot of books you in order to find those books You had to be a Dan Ackeroid you need to be someone who's obsessed with it. You need to be working for Working at the SBR you'd have to know where to find this material Well, I mean actually what is it Peggy Hudson did actually go to the library and find a book on ghosts But it was pretty rudimentary stuff, and she just took it back to me. It's ain't nothing to me

I've never seen a man They dressed with a fancy wig on like back in the day I've never seen a man with a seat on because I tell you one thing I'll see a man with a seat on first thing I'll say is it clean Is it clean so I can include it in the next batch because the water is getting hot All right, so you want to return this you just want to return the library or book. You didn't like the library or book You got any eggs do you have any eggs around any buckets or scrub brushes. That's my favorite smile new friends So the day after the first communication Gregory and Bella off who were present at the bark bark run rum Is that the world's dumbest bar bark bark rum rum?

Yes, they wrote a note to play fair and gross saying that the girls were most likely hoaxing everyone and had been From the beginning and this would be a common occurrence in this case people would show up for a day Sometimes no more for no more than a couple of hours make snap judgments and declare the whole thing a hoax Not despite the note play fair and gross continued on they found the next time they contacted the voice it referred to itself as Bill rather than Joe and Joe said the reason why he was repeatedly throwing Janet from the bed was because that was where he Slapped now this falls in line with Peggy's claims that she had seen bed sheets fly off the bed Followed by the indentation of someone sleeping on Janet's bed when the girls were off at school Now play fair tried various tricks to see if he could get Janet and the voice to talk at the same time

He got Bill and a sing-along to daisy daisy and play fairs to the Janet could switch from her own voice To the entities voice without missing a beat. Hmm. They started singing daisy daisy. What's the what's daisy daisy? The it's in a British song that everybody knows because they're forced to know like 20 songs You know drinking songs, you know fighting songs, you know fucking songs, you know little kids songs That you get them to sing while you're fucking and fighting. Yeah, it's it's very simple It's not like it's like it's the end of the world as we know it or anything like that It's not a complicated. Oh, that is the most complicated song in the world though Yeah, as I learned from watching Tommy boy. Yes, absolutely, but they it's true

They started talking they were getting this rapport with the voice and eventually they're sitting there Jen it's got their back to them, right and they're tired there because that's what they would do in order to talk to her They would just turn her around and she would talk at them and They're searching a daisy daisy and literally you just see her shoulders back and forth going like daisy daisy Give me your answer true Like a weird ass slipknot record and they're just recording it But they're laughing because I think it's the funniest thing in the world Which is another just being like what's happened in this house that this is now funny

And then they're like this rendition of daisy daisy is going to be huge in, Iowa And they have this thing here too. We're sick bill started laughing bill's gonna But then Janet's laughing to going And they said they were just octave separated from each other so and they were started laughing together in harmony like One little girl I really wish we had audio of this, but unfortunately our resources I eat YouTube Only got us a few minutes of the hours upon hours of audio that grows some play fair recorded But what we do have is still pretty damn cool Here's Maurice's son Richard asking the entity a question about itself

Where do you remember what happened to you when you died Just before you died and just after you died There is before I died my day I've been blowing I had an image and I fell asleep and I died in the chair in the corner downstairs Geez, so that is that's coming from Janet from an 11 year old girl. My goodness. This is a it's incredible And what you do here too is you hear a marble drop as well They talk about like while this is happening remember well all this is happening even if she is fucking around even the tiniest bit

Yeah, marbles are falling from the ceiling Legos are shooting across the room drawers are opening this shit has not stopped These people have not slept in months chairs are flipping. They are sitting there and they're watching this little girl even if she's pretending She's going apeshit. Oh and a partner in my mind again It talks about the psychedelic nature of hauntings and abductions when you're sitting here and like you're just now in this room of insanity and Maybe it is a little bit of a psychosomatic thing Maybe it just crawled in for the background, but it's it's something is using what we're gonna find out is that it's her back vocal cords So we'll go into this something is using her as like a little amplifier. Yeah, yeah

Well, one of my personal pet theories about possession is that I think that it has something to do with the collective unconsciousness Like there's something in certain people's minds something breaks open and all these different energies Enter into this person and then speak through them, which is why sometimes you'll have people speaking in languages that they've never heard of before Well, I heard that Janet was taking secret ventriloquist classes after school Now Richard that's Maurice Gross's son He was a little apprehensive about buying the whole story Especially when he discovered that the voice would only speak if he was looking away from Janet and would stop the moment Richard turned his head

But what really piqued his interest was that the voice stopped if Richard even thought about turning his head And this is where okay I don't know whether I'm just so delusional and so hopeful for a sign of the paranormal But I do think that there is a difference when they talk about in physics, right? The idea of observed and unobserved reality and how they behave differently about how like when you look at something More shit happens. There's also experimental bias to shit like that where you can make it happen sort of by looking at it And I also I kind of wonder if there's something to the idea of just the observation of the activity Gives it the energy it takes to go and then when you turn it away basically it expends it

It's like you charge the battery and then you turn away and then it shoots it out the other side Yeah, that's you really can't as soon as you start filming reality you change it exactly if you look at the Jersey Shore Or they were actually very they were scholars, but then they put the cameras in there and they turn into alcoholics Snooki knows how to read another wonderful current reference That our listeners will understand Jersey Shore Now it must be said though that the voice shared some personality traits with Janet such as their shared habit of Abruptly changing subjects in the middle of conversation Once when Margaret was talking to the voice about where it came from the voice said

Oh, what's some jazz music? Get me some now They got him back on track But the voice said he came from the local graveyard when they asked him why he had moved on to the next plane of Existence with all the other spirits in the graveyard. He gave the coolest possible answer. He said, oh, I'm not a heaven man What could be more fun than that? I have always said foggy old London in 1977 is heaven on earth Especially when you're in low-income housing Now there is one other incident in particular that points towards Janet being the sole source of the voice on December 14th 1977 Janet officially

Flowered if you know what I mean, I know what you mean. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, which is totally wonderful We know that she had a she had a public for entwilic wisdom lesson. I think that's a good thing to call it But why are you calling a public ventriloquism lesson? I don't know I don't know. Maybe we're not the experts on this subject. What do you think? What do you think the giant is do during an instruction again, Marcus? Why tease the question? Why even tease? Well, I know that what what happens is is that on a very special time when a girl is just grown up enough but not grown up enough a little doll inside of her wakes up like Oh, uh-huh and says mommy mommy mommy time to paint the legs

Is that a good way to is that a good way to say it and then she gets out her crimson and she gets out her ruby reds Is that true? I? No, I'm gonna go with no, but I like the idea come out Yeah, I know eggs come out and then the lining is also just kicked out of the house like it's a like it's a 17-year-old punk Yeah, I started doing drugs. Yeah started being a drummer in a band. Well the night that Janet first flowered As gross play when you say flowered it's worse than Henry's terrible description I don't think there's anything wrong with me saying flowered. Well, you say it anyway. That's fine Well that night as gross play fair in an SPR colleague named Hugh Pincott

We're having a discussion with the voice the voice suddenly asked why do girls have periods? It's play fair and gross tried dodging the question because But after it became clear that the voice wasn't gonna talk about anything else but periods Pincott because play fair and gross refused to talk about it despite gross having a grown daughter Pincott went into the room and explained it all in great detail So this is obviously Janet sex ed a strange sort of haunted sex ed class. Yeah. Well, that says it's yeah Why would the ghost care about periods? Yeah, especially on the day that Janet first got her's unless maybe the maybe the ghost I mean the ghost had no sex education growing up

I would imagine maybe it was a lonely old man Janet got her period and the ghost was like always going on it So now we have a ghost living inside Yeah, so the ghost is in there so he's just like why it's all it got leaky inside of the the vessel that he was in which is Yes, or something. Yeah, I honestly I think it's weird that she didn't have to go to health class at Spooky University She had to talk to paranormal Psychologists about her first period. Yes, she did. She had to talk to a man named Hugh Pincott to go to the doctor No, no, no, you see I'm not now What happened zoos is that I'm

a woman of a No, how do I put this and delicately your body is changing? Well, both Janet and the voice listened very Closely without interrupting once and that was something that neither Janet nor the voice ever did they were both pretty bad about interrupting But play fair of course he was a smart guy He thought it was a little strange that the voice would ask about periods on the same day that Janet first got hers But when he asked the question The only answer he got was a Kurt fuck off. Oh, honestly It's a very a play fair it did kind of figure out the two of them looked at each other

And he walked and he says like it just seems to be very interesting that they did you would ask why you need to know About periods and all this and we like straight up being like are you Janet? Are you Janet? Are you just being yourself or Janet talked to us and then she went fuck off and then like had a seizure And then went to sleep. I Think that's what I would do the first day ahead of period have a seizure and then go everyone to fuck off Yes, fuck off But it does seem that there is a connection between the old menstrual cycle and Paltregeist activity definitely haunting reached a new level soon after her period began because that is when the levitation started

So yes, like the voice nobody actually saw the levitation in full as it was happening But there is still circumstantial proof that it happened David Nottingham the neighbor gave Janet a red pen After she told him that she'd been levitating He told her that if she levitated again She could use the pen to draw a circle around a light fixture that would be impossible for her to reach Otherwise without loudly moving the bed across the room and as soon as Nottingham left the room and closed the door Janet Nonchalantly said I'm levitating Okay

David tried to open the door to go inside But he found that the door wouldn't budge and when he finally did open it Janet was back on her bed and the ceiling had a red mark right where David had asked her to make it cool He was right outside the door And if she had if she wanted to move the bed to make the red mark She would have had to drag the bed across the floor Get on the bed and then jump up off of the bed to draw a mark And of course the mark would have been messy as hell, but Nottingham said that the circle was very neat

But even though David didn't see it with his own eyes three other witnesses in the neighborhood outside the house that very same day Would see something themselves Janet said that after she made the mark She had passed through the wall of her bedroom into that of her mother saying it was all white When Peggy went to check her room. She found a copy of Janet's book funding games for children on the floor Even though she was sure she had just seen that book in Janet's bedroom just prior to the levitation incident David decided to test the entities matter transfer abilities because he was thinking it's like okay. Well, maybe Peggy's mistaken. Maybe John little Johnny left the book over in the other room

Uh, so David Nottingham said all right pass this big red plastic cushion through something It's gonna be my charter in a little book and the entity said all right, Davey boy I'll make it disappear and no sooner did David walk out of the room that Janet called out again And when David walked back in the red cushion was gone. So where did it go? Where did it go? Where did it go? Where did it go? Where did it go? Where did it go fuck off? Why is the cushion talking? Well, that's where the witnesses come in a Neighborhood tradesmen who knew there were strange goings on the Hudson house was walking down the sidewalk looking in their general direction

He said one moment there was nothing on the roof and the next the big red cushion appeared without anyone opening a window Then there was the crossing guard and her friend They also saw the cushion but in addition to that they said they saw through the window Janet bouncing up and down Briefly appearing then falling again. Only thing was she was bouncing up and down on her back Horizontally about two feet above her bed as if someone was lifting her from her shoulders and feet That debunker say that Janet was a sports star and very athletic which she was she's 11. She was a gymnast Okay, oh there are no, but oh, yeah, there's a Dominique Marchiano was like 13 Remember Dominique. Do you remember Dominique Marchiano?

I don't yes, well you remember your 13-year-old desires Yes children in China age out of being gymnast by the age of nine And I suppose it isn't impossible for a 12-year-old girl to be able to bounce two feet in the air on her back off a thin Matrix, but if she was able to do this along with everything else along with the voice along with all the objects being thrown around Without anybody seeing them with that by making objects appear and disappear in other places She had a hell of a career in show business waiting for she's able to do all that I completely agree with that even if if there are no ghosts the story itself is incredible with just Janet being an Amazing performer. That's right. She did have an incredible SNL real like she would have been amazing for the show

Like a regular Kate McKinnon, but I also think that there is maybe Maybe the body is being manipulated by a spirit to do certain shit Maybe she is bouncing up and down on the bed, but it's almost like a maniacal She's attached to it and so your your body is then allowed to do something that it's normally It would not be able to do sort of like what we talk about with ritual magic and shit like that where it's sort of it It's increasing her abilities almost But what they all said was is that the bed was an old British piece of shit And it couldn't be bounced on and that guy play for himself said you like I went and I tested the bed to see the

Bounceability of it and I could hardly bounce at all not saying that he didn't have British ankles Which means that his heels hit his ankle bones every time he puts pressure on it. Oh, so I don't know brutal Well speaking of show business Hmm, it's time to enter the magician. Yeah, all right So by this point the infield Haunting was becoming known far and wide in paranormal circles around the world and word had reached All the way to the society of American musicians They said a magician investigator named

Milborn Christopher who was put on the case by Dr. Dingwall? Dr. Dingwall is never gonna fail to make me laugh The definition of a humorous name A play fair said that he was happy to host the magician just so long as he didn't tell the girls He was a magician because he didn't want to get the girls excited Good look at the magician to shut up about being a magician all these magicians are just Losers that have spent years making their fingers so quick. They can fool every woman they see But they're very good for the cloak industry

But yeah, very good contributing to the economy That's right, but with them minutes of the magician meeting the little girls Milborn just started showing them card tricks Oh, they can't help themselves a regular old Chris Angel true TV would give him a show. Oh, yeah Now there is some debate between play fair and Milborn as to what happened on the evening the magician spent at the Hodgson house According to the magician there was a commotion filled night in which he didn't actually see anything happen with his own eyes It was a lot of hubba. Oh, there was a lot of crashes. There was a lot of booms a lot of bams Wow, but he didn't actually see anything with his own eyes. It all happened when he was in a different room Then after the girls were put to bed and play fair went down into the living room the magician

Stayed on the staircase weird. Yeah a little He said Janet appeared at the top of the stairs and in the words of the magician I produced a flare of light in the air and when play fair asked him to elaborate the magician said Haha, yes, a flash of light. It's a magician's thing. You wouldn't understand. It's a magician's thing. Oh, I see The magician said that after he produced the flare Janet hurried back to her room without saying a word and he used this incident to prove Janet was only coming out to see if The course was clear and had the magician not been there waiting for the little girl She would have just thrown something down the stairs as further proof that the poltergeist was still active

This is a fun house to be a kid. No, you have a little kid that no longer has a father That already has two other weird strange men essentially living with her in the house You bring another man whose job is trickery in the house that they have just met and you say everybody go to sleep He then sits on the stairs Uh-huh instead of where everybody else do a normal shit. He sits on the stairs just staring upwards You think maybe it would probably disturb the sleep and you'd want to turn around there Maybe take a look at it what he's doing rather than wonder what he's watching you do You're a little girl and you see a man with a top hat on with a feather sticking out of it

Yeah, fancy shiny shoes on and a tuxedo on just at the bottom of the step just lighten flammable paper Throw it in front of his face. Oh, it's an illusion Go to sleep little girl. Don't worry. You see how I make my oh my wand is now limp now See how I make my wand hard again Go to sleep little girl Well the tape recorder told a different story than the magician told During the earlier commotion Janet's bed had collapsed shows so she was staying in the spare room by herself And after she had gone to bed the voice started up the voice said get out

Oh, I'll double shit to you. You get stuff. The ghost is right Janet is correct. Get out of my house magician and two other dumpy weirdos Double shit to you magician get stuffed yourself. You dumb stinky magician in there with you with your big coins Your big coins and your squirty flowers. What are you Jackie Zabrowski? That's a funny inside joke. That is funny That's not even an inside joke. That's a round table of gentlemen joke. Please go listen to the round table to hear more about Henry sister refer to her vagina as a squirty bird. That's right. Yes, Janet was then heard after Double shit to you. She was then heard calling out to Maurice She got out of bed and she went to the stairs scared out of her mind

She's looking for new daddy Sure now the magician was indeed waiting for the little girl on the stairwell But it was not the silent encounter. He described instead Janet started talking at him About how she didn't like to be alone But the magician being American couldn't understand Janet's thick accent and after a feeble attempt to communicate You can hear three soft pups on the tape recorder Presumably from the weird magician's powder that he used to create the flashes So when he runs into awkward conversation because she there's a transcript of this in this house is haunted by guy play

Fair there's a little bit of a transcript because it's him just been like, oh, don't you sleep alone and he's like, what's that then? He's sleeping alone. I don't look and I'm alone in that and he's like, oh, you know, we dogs love a bone Absolutely banks always give a loan you mean like just saying like random shit like trying to act like he understands And she's like, yeah, you know you understand so a moment of silence and then he's goes cuz I am He likes a thing on fire just to end the conversation with the foreigner. That's actually Keeps doing it until she runs away like a stray dog that's growling at it's the only magic trick I've ever wanted to learn And I think it's just owning matches. Yes Yeah, Janet is then heard on the tape recorder running back to her bed and where she says to no one in particular quote

He's gone mad Okay, so Janet possibly possessed or faking to be possessed for going on what eight months now quite a few months now is Judging the magician. That's how bad The point is nothing was disproved here It was just a magician who didn't know how to deal with a 12-year-old girl Yeah, that didn't stop him from saying that the entire infield hunting case was fake and it doesn't stop the debunkers from using his Testimony as further proof that it was all a hoax. They actually the debunkers actually use the magician Well this magician said it was fake you can't by definition trust a magician

Well, they said it he's an expert in trickery and if the expert in trickery says that it's wrong then the trickery must be A hoax. That's a trick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah when a tricker when a tricker says a thing is a trickery Then he could be tricking you into saying it's a trickery. You can never try to match and slowly walks out Yeah, never trust a tricker never So the experiments with the voice continued they tape Janet's mouth build it with water wrap a scarf around her face God, but nothing would stop the voice even when they did all three at the same time Well, we've tried waterboarding her all we got with some government secrets nothing about the ghost though now men men now This may seem controversial. Okay, and I don't I don't I mean a meanest as a scientist and as a researcher

But what if I were to sit upon her face? I will continue to wear me under ooze attached to my ankle. It's then attached to my socks I am fully clothed even when I'm nude. I am British So it is not skittish up about it for me to sit upon her mouth and see if she uses me as say a trumpet or a trombone They also did a couple of scientific tests on Janet's throat They found that the voice did not come from the front Where's your mom just literally just with her fucking basin

Outside she's got all the workers uniform is piling up on one side and she's like every since the co-fact that he's shut down The new brick factory makes these clothes extra dirty So go scrub them for hours. These are really these are jokes about the socio-economic conditions in the UK in the 1970s which were quite bad. Yes bad. Oh, yeah garbage everywhere I think that did they have that? I think they had the garbage strike in New York City had the garbage strike at the same time all I all I know Is that the clash was singing about it? I love the idea of garbage men making sure that we know why they're important now

They found that the voice did not come from the front of her throat like a voice normally does if you speak and put Put your hand on your throat and just speak speak speak and you'll feel the vibrations there Brett Favre Touchdown That's good night 9-11 was allowed to happen 9-11 was allowed to happen. I can feel it in my throat. Yeah, sure You can feel it but Janet when the voice spoke it came from the back of her neck This isn't impossible But it is a strange thing for a 12 year old girl to know how to do it's a thing here called plica

for Intricularis which is a thing that you can train. It's false vocal cords They sit in the back and they say that you can't access them, but they're very very difficult to use and also they're they they get less Lubrication than the front vocal cords, so they get hoarse really really quickly So it's very interesting the fact that she could do it for hours and hours and hours Essentially she'd have to be like the neo of ventriloquist. Yeah to be great at this naturally Yeah, she is the neo of this whole story. Oh, yeah, she is the one She is the one so around Christmas the entity started getting even more aggressive the Hodgson's well-loved goldfish

We're found dead in their tank when the family noticed what had happened the voice said I done that And when gross asked why and how the voice replied he had electrocuted the fish by accident using quote-unquote Spirit's energy which Maurice Gross then said that is proof that poltergeist work on electricity Yeah, and then a part of it It's like because they did find these things dead, and it's very it's it's the thing that makes our meat jump As human beings I could not keep a goldfish alive that I got from the carnival for more than 48 hours Well, yeah, you can no one can keep carnival goldfish Because they're only they're designed to live for a day is that right? Oh, yeah

Well, I fed it a lot. Yeah, it had one good day Well after the goldfish died two days later on Christmas Day, why do you the parakeet turned up dead in his cave? Oh my goodness That is so sad parakeets are the worst animal on the face of the planet. They're always have them for years They're awful. They're awful creatures. They're dirty. They're mean they bite birds are terrible terrible pets Birds are scary well later that day the entity attacked Janet herself as she was sitting by a window By wrapping curtains around her neck a couple of days later it happened again This time the swish of the curtain was caught on the tape and this wasn't just a I mean it was the the curtain squeezed

They were trying to strangle her we should talk about this too because that is very compelling photo evidence of the curtain when you watch it It is in a really unnatural formation It is completely curved around because you remember we had a timed camera in that up in that room watching at all times We'll talk about honestly the levitation pictures that you see are they look obviously faked Yes, they look like she is jumping for the camera, and I think that that it's completely normal I think that is because as a little kid they even talk about that all the time when Maurice gross and guy playfarer like Janet plays tricks all the time We know she does there's certain things that she does that are that are genuine though, and

All the time they actually said that she did played tricks like very very few times Hmm, but her jumping was just trying to get somebody to believe her it was happening Who's a better? Who is a better levitator um Shinrikyo the the leader of um Shinrikyo shoko ahara shoko ahara Yeah, cuz he was using his butt cheeks to do it with his butt. Yeah Now that whole incident with the curtains that happened six more times But thankfully it was never enough to seriously injure Janet at least physically mentally Was a different story this woman seems like she is afraid of everything She is fucked up when you see her nowadays in the interviews beside

Don't look at the extras on the DVD for conjuring to the stuff that we found like the recent one from the BBC the one with Her and guy playfarer, and she just looks haunted. She's the same like literally being like you don't understand what I went through Yeah, I had something inside of me for a year Why did you go into your mother voice did I you don't got something you don't even I have her just below the surface. Oh god Watching I did the same thing watching the footage be like that's a poor girl. Oh, that's just a shame. Oh wow It is a shame, and I like whenever you do your mother's voice you grab your chest always my mom Where do you think Jackie got it from? Oh, yeah, grab her tits all the time

My mom does a weird thing every time she does like a caring voice. She's holds her breasts. All right So Janet doesn't allow any curtains in her house anymore. Absolutely not And the poltergeist it seemed to take on different personalities or it was actually different energies working together if you believe the ten naughty things list Soon after 1778 came the voice calling itself Fred told Peggy that she should get rid of a bag of knives That she had brought out of storage these knives had just like the furniture She'd already thrown out belong to the family of the man who would murdered his daughter down the street a few years previous

Get rid of the knife. Get rid of the knife. Get rid of everything. All of the knives Why would you have you say this you got rid of the furniture? You got rid of the useful shit We'll keep the weapons. We'll keep the sharp things that could do the most damage. We'll keep them in a bag Yeah, why she got rid of the furniture and not the knives is anyone's guess Especially after the furniture already proved to be haunted. They like their jams. They like their spreads You can never have enough knives think about how dangerous the furniture has become This has become the serial killers version of Beauty and the Beast in this house And you just have a bunch of horny knives in a bag

If just one of them has the personality of that candelabra Knife fucking one of those little girls in a second Fred Christ man Fred said if Peggy didn't get rid of the knives Tommy another entity was gonna do something dangerous with him But as Peggy had just had a long day She didn't pay Fred any money kept the knives right where they were the next day as Peggy was in the kitchen She heard Janet say from upstairs

There's a knife falling me around Seriously, it's just like be our guest be our guest And the stabbing continued yeah, and she said Janet said that the knife was dancing around in front of her That's kind of fun. Of course Peggy went upstairs to look and she found nothing But when she walked back to the downstairs area, she found one of the knives She had just put away in the kitchen drawer on the stairs Get it out so was it like a situation where they moved in and like this house is not yet a home until they saw the bag of knives Now it's a

We must have a bag of lethal weapons around at all times now and Peggy man She was long-suffering. Yeah, she's not having a great time. Her children are going crazy She's got a bunch of random weirdos including a magician in her home. Oh, just wait until you hear what happened on her birthday Oh, tell me they went to Outback Steakhouse. No, I don't think they did. They didn't know blooming onions, huh on her birthday on January 15th 1978 That day would take the infield haunting from the realm of a horror movie over into John Waters territory That's the day the dookie started. Yeah, what do you mean the dookie start? I'll tell you what I mean when I say that he started

Edith Massey show up on their front door and start eating eggs or something What's going on? I'm just gonna say right here is that once that dookie gets started It's hard to get the dookie to stop happening. Oh, I see lots of dookie. Okay? Well that evening Margaret said that she had just used the bathroom and was leaving when she felt a tap tap tap on her shoulder Oh, and when she turned around she saw that someone or something had taken a turd and written the word Shit on the wall with it. Oh my goodness. I guess that's its name, huh? Maybe it is. It does sounds like they are being haunted by Gigi Allen. Yeah, it could be

And a few days later when Margaret was again in the bathroom Mrs. Hudson was hit in the small of the back by a dook wrapped in toilet paper Well, she was sitting in the kitchen. I got to say, I'm at my auntie. All right, my bonnets are getting thinner My feet are crooked. I went to the doctor. He said I got zigzagged toe and I won't watch that doctor And he's like we're gonna have to smash your feet and reset him. And now I'm getting hit in the smalls But by a little pepper pot in a toilet tissue. Oh My a dookie attack. Oh a dookie attack. That is ghost is really getting serious Oh, yeah, and then when Peggy

Inspected Margaret's hands upon Margaret's exit from the bathroom They were clean I guess the most of the poop was Well Peggy was satisfied that Margaret wasn't the culprit she said But I may she couldn't have done that without getting it a mess Margaret's not very subtle Okay, but there was some evidence of the girls interfering Playfair said one day his recorder went missing while it was recording He found it about 30 seconds later and the tape showed without a doubt that it was Janet

He moved the damn thing Playfair's thinking was that since he spotted it so fast since it was such a poor attempt at a trick It showed that Janet was actually pretty awful at that and she confessed almost immediately when Playfair confronted her with it Improving herself to be an awful liar But the voice did gain some believers a speech therapist who came to check out the whole hub Said that she had to admit that she couldn't figure out how Janet was doing the voice Especially well, she could figure out that it was like false vocal cords coming from the back But she's throwing the poop well the pooped her guys. Oh, it's the pooped her guys the pooper guys

Oh my god. Oh my god. Look here. It looks like we got ourselves a pooper. It's a pooper guy's pooper guys I am gonna take a pooper guy soon. Okay, I have I've drank half a bottle of concentrated cold brew this morning And I am like a musket Well, the thing that the speech therapist couldn't figure out was how Janet was doing it without getting a sore throat right Then the fire started on one occasion smoke started pouring from a kitchen drawer When they opened up the door they found a scorched box of matches although no matches on the inside had been lit cool Yeah, after this they decided to try their luck with another medium this time

They tried a regular Joe named Gary Sherrick Sherrick was an amateur poet who didn't take any money for his services because he made a good living as a London taxi driver The spirit medium thing that was just his hobby. He did it for free. Sure. It's not my guy. I'll tell you all right I'm a guy named Jerry thing. I'm best at sitting and watching Anything can happen. I sit there watch it with the photograph memory. I'll watch anything. I watch you take a shit I'll watch you kill a dog. I'll watch you suck on a the tail of a shoe. I'll watch anything Anything you got for me to watch I'll watch and I'll remember it. I'll watch it I want you to lick a cat on its a soul. Yeah, I want you to do anything. Well, he's definitely he's got the mind of a poet

That's good. Well, Jerry said he got the impression that a horrible old woman who had lived near spittle fields market Was haunting the girls. Oh spittle fields is a real placement. I know it is It's just like you always wonder what how these towns got created how their names got created and be like Where are we and someone's just like spittle field because I just spit get it Well, they said that it was possibly a horrible old woman who would live near spittle fields market It was haunting the girls when Jerry asked if they had ever smelled rushing vegetables They replied that they had of course Jerry like the others didn't really do anything with Janet besides the whole healing hands business But he did teach Margaret how to do battle with the entity

He did not say how he taught Margaret how to do the battle I get the feeling involved balling up human dookie Throwing it against a wall. It just sounds like another secret ventriloquism lesson. Are we done with the poop booth? I make no huge. This is what I'm really focused on the poop booth stuff here. No way and done with a poop. Okay You got more poop. All right pooper guys. Well the healing hands Seem to work just like it had with the two mediums before for a couple of weeks at least But when it came back it came back in a storm of faces So many faces. What was that a storm of what?

A storm of faces. Faces. A storm of faces. Faces. Faces. Faces. Faces. Faces. That's how scientists say it. Faces. Oh my goodness It was Peggy walked in on Johnny having a bath one day. She found Are there any limits or boundaries in this house? He was like a five-year-old boy. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah parents I'm walking on little kid little people having baths all the time. Of course, Henry. Well, she found excreta smeared behind the water taps all over the wall and Floating in the bath water as if someone was in her words Squeeble in with it. It's the five-year-old. No. No. No. Why he said no, it's a lot of shit You would need to have a podcast

comedians Wait of shit Yeah, in order to really do that like I mean like me after like several bowls of bran Like I ate a bunch of beans last night like this stuff is fermenting inside of me. I could paint a bathroom with it Uh-huh child. It's still small. Oh, yeah, still very tiny little doofus. Okay. Oh, yeah I'm not I don't even want to get in a bit in the kitchen big old puddles of liquid butt junk Started forming on the floor Wait, what is okay? Oh, you know what liquid butt junk in I understand. It's poop

Liquid but sure asshole sauce I saw sauce has been piled up inches thick for weeks now multiple days And this is actually what I think is very interesting because they don't cover any of this in the conjuring too No, don't talk about any of the documentaries Oh, no, and I think that number one it is the funniest form of the poltergeist. Oh, yeah There's poo poo mountains in the kitchen. It's fun But what further proof it is that what you need is it's now it's it's going into an area where it's like if they are faking it These people are completely insane. Yeah, they're rubbing shit all over the entire house

And now even a Morty's grow sat with Janet because a part of it was like he asked her Why were you fucking with my recorder? And he said I want to make sure that you guys never leave because she was soaked and she loved having them in the house at This point and then as it started happening He's just like he started talking with her being like so it's like are you faking this are you doing this? Yeah, and she's like I'm not but it's really starting to get boring now. Uh-huh. She thought that the whole thing was boring Yeah, she hated the whole thing. Well, it's just you since because so this poor woman was this poor girl was so Desperate for a father. She didn't want them to leave so she went to deaf con poo poo. No, I just created this

No, the poo poo stay no You missed You missed understood completely. Okay, moving the tape recorder. That was what she did to keep Morris growth around No, no, no, she wasn't doing the the big ol liquid diarrhea who's creating the mountains of dookie All right, and here's the interesting thing about it is that Morris growths actually collected some Good a good little stool sample. All right. We're gonna take a look at this now. All right everyone look There's a sample from the ass juice that we found earlier this afternoon. Let me just I'm getting I'm getting notes. Oh my goodness. I'm getting no stepburnt

You're a sommelier of poop. Oh, this is mine. This is definitely mine. I'm sorry. I mixed the samples Well, he got a sample and he took it to a fellow scientist and the fellow scientist said you put me on my ace's cat piss Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think it should be fellow scientist. I think there's one He's he's a parasyntist a period parasite Racism against our kind is what keeping legitimate research scientists are not a race Well, the voice at this point, I mean well, but besides the whole poop We say the voice started getting weirder and it stopped caring whether anybody was looking or not It started getting completely out of control. Here's one more example of where the voice was at this time

Yeah, it's kind of fun. Yeah, it's kind of but now it's like that old episode that we did is like possession or angry cat Yeah, that could go either way. Yes. It's pretty sweet. And now when they're looking at her mouth They're saying they're looking at her face and she's making these noises and her mouth is like going like it's like slightly twitching It is coming from her, but it's this weird ass thing We're like how is she making this noise over and over and over again for weeks? Right now this is when George follows of the daily mirror showed back up to check-in on the family But when he saw how much worse and how much more disgusting the case had gotten Yeah, he decided a follow-up piece was an order and assigned a reporter named Brian Rimmer to the story names Brian Rimmer

I gotta tell you I love the taste of pennies. I use them like mince. Yes. I'm gonna think thing thing I love it. I like leaving my mouth red with rust Now is the poopoo cleaned up? Yeah, the poopoo. They're not just leaving it in that round the house Okay, they're not animals. Yeah, well and now Rimmer decided it was time once and for all to get to the bottom of the voice So he enlisted the ventriloquist a man named Ray Allen Just when it couldn't get any nerdier They brought in a ventriloquist, but think about how many because not only did we have we had a magician We've had at least 15 scientists. We got a ventriloquist now

We also had another dude that was a famous sufferer of a haunted house. His name was That came in that said the same thing Matthew Manning. He also came in. This is incredibly documented Oh, yeah, there's so many people were just showing up being like what the fuck is happening in here And it's all just weird old men Well Brian Rimmer Ray Allen and three other people showed up around 8 p.m. One night to the Hodgson house completely unannounced after the visit Rimmer called up Guy Playfair and told him that Janet had confessed to faking the voices beginning to end

And that she had told the ventriloquist that she had used her diaphragm to do the voice Even though they had already proved that the voice was coming from the back of her neck Playfair immediately went to the Hodgson house to hear exactly what had happened because he was pretty damn sure that Janet didn't even know the word Diaphragm much less what the hell a diaphragm was and she again had a different story to tell just like with a magician whoa She said that when the ventriloquist started talking to her She just zoned out and just started nodding because how many people have come to talk at this little girl and to ask her Question after question after question and she just stopped paying attention to anything that she said and also That's kind of what a lot of twelve-year-olds girl twelve-year-old girls do when you talk to them

They don't listen and when a ventriloquist talks to you not move in his lips trying to be all sneaky I mean of course, I'm not gonna listen to that. It's all lies now according to Janet She hadn't heard a word. He said now the article entitled ghost hunters clash over mystery of spoof or spook kids It did claim the voice to be a hoax, but To its credit did not discount any of the other phenomena and the phenomena did continue with the apparitions Returning in full force both Margaret and Janet saw an old man with long fingernails Walking through their room at night Peggy saw a child Dressed in a nightgown floating out of the bathroom and

Saw a partial apparition of a man from the waist down walking up the stairs But the creepiest incident happened to Peggy's brother He saw a man saw it as anything just sitting at the Hodgson's kitchen table at five o'clock in the afternoon Looking out the window the brother closed his eyes to blink and when he opened them again The man was gone and replaced with a pile of poop. No, no What if the man with no waist walking back and forth was just so jealous of that people could poop? He had no butt as it goes That would be the worst he was just doing it as a revenge

So finally in July of 1978 the family decided to send Janet away for a little while She stayed in a hospital across the tins for a couple of months in the activity died down But not completely for example the whole incident with the brother and the men in the kitchen happened while Janet was gone Hmm and Margaret was mostly free of the activity using the unnamed powers that she learned from the taxi driver What did she learn? I don't even know. No, they didn't say the sequence of a taxi driver It's a secret. Yes only taxi drivers will know did she get some taxi cab confession. I don't want to go down that Doctors found nothing wrong with Janet physically or mentally and so Janet came back in September of 1978 Hopeful that it was all over and done with but within 30 minutes of her being home

She saw the same apparition of a child in a gown that her mother saw after a few more months They decided to try one more medium a Dutchman named don't know gamelig mailing Of course who had personally brought two Dutch poltergeist cases to an end Don't know came to the house got to know the family and went up traveling on the old last real plane to see what he could find When he came back. He said that he was positive that a 24 year old woman was involved in the case 24 happened to be the exact age Maury's grossest daughter Janet was when she died Now whether or not this whole thing was caused by the spirit of Maury's grossest daughter will never know in fact Well, probably never know whether poltergeist are the spirits of the dead

free-floating puberty energy or Something else entirely at least not in our lifetime What we do know is that soon after Dono gamelig mailing identified the poltergeist as Maury's grossest daughter the hauntings tapered off and Soon stopped all together. You can always trust a Dutchman And this is very similar to other cases if you look up the Reutenberg Roca case, it's very very interesting There's there's so many other poltergeist like this. We talked about I mean the black monk of Pontifract is one There's also that they the bell witch case also talk about this a lot all which that we could do whole episodes on

Yeah, that are all very similar. All right. Well, this is the end field poltergeist I gotta say conjuring to could have been a lot better. It really could have all these characters unbelievable The only difference is that the ending is not as it's not very dramatic It's mostly like it's just gonna be like would that you put a goddess finding out it's the 24 year old daughter is a huge reveal It's a pretty big reveal. Yeah, the conjuring part two never even goes down that road No, it absolutely doesn't because that's how more like Maury's gross started You know and it could be argued that the more that Janet gross began haunting another Janet began haunting

The Hodgson house in a bid to contact her father because her father was contacted very soon afterwards as well There's a lot. It's a very complicated case a lot of ends a lot outs It's very complicated, but I also think you know and what I think is really nice though is that Maury's gross stayed with the family He was close with them for the rest of his life. I think he died in 2007 Guy play fear was also close to them that it was a nice support network. Yeah turned into a little family Yeah, and the end like it's like Maury's gross got something out of it, too Like he got a daughter again He got to be with these kids even though they're a little simple and a little strange

Families family. I don't think simple is the right word. There's very complex. Oh, it's very complex Oh, yeah, very complex I think I think Janet was a lot more clever than people gave her credit for and absolutely But the thing is is that Janet is the only person who will give interviews None of the rest of them want to talk about this at all well, but in the end Really this case is like you do. Okay, so now that you've heard the whole case bed I know you're skeptical at first. Uh-huh kind of sweet, right? It's kind of sweet. I also believe the queen is a horrible monarchy And they should have treated these individuals that had lower income much better. No, it was the 1970s. Oh my goodness

All right. Yeah, very good sweet family case but I I this is to me one of the most convincing Cases of the idea of just activity and what it means that it's not necessarily some spectral like I don't know about the personalities involved and turns up like Bill and and Joe Watson and all those kind of things but I think that there's obviously something happening and it just proves that there's more to Consciousness and how it affects reality Then what normal you'd normally believe and scientists are just on the verge of it I was just watching a thing Ted talk about how like essentially we trip

Making like hope the reality is a hallucination, bro. That's it buddy. Some Ted talks are better than others Ted talks are very good. All right everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening Let's see Marcus. What should we talk about here? We got the patreon. Of course. Thanks. Everybody. Thanks everybody who gave to our patreon If you feel like we deserve a little bit of a donation patreon.com slice last podcast on the left is a place to give of course We appreciate every single donation even a dollar helps us out. We got a bunch of live shows coming up We have shows coming up in San Francisco the outside lands festival. We got Vancouver. We've got Calgary We've got Toronto. We're coming back to Toronto so much Canada. I got a great time in Montreal Oh, yeah, last festival cannot wait to go back to that awesome record store in Toronto

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