Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 284: The Travis Walton Abduction - Fire In The Sky

Episode Date: September 2, 2017

It's time for aliens on this week's Last Podcast as we cover the story of Travis Walton, the logger who was allegedly abducted in 1975 and taken aboard an alien craft before being thrust back to earth amidst a storm of controversy. Magic Forest - Finale Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Modern Jazz Samba Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommo

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left That's when the cannibalism started So, okay What if I did get my own show on info wars? Uh-huh. I mean honestly And like kissle does on fox news. I'd be the moderate one. I'd be the cool one the hip liberal Hold on a second. How confused are you about yourself? I don't know world. Do you think you would be the moderate one even on info wars on info wars? I would be Trevor Noah on

Info wars you would make Alex Jones seem like the moderate one and therefore would help that's right you pull all attention to me I take the heat. I hit on a grenade. I'm the Bruno Mars. I am for wars Well, you know what if you will it it will be yes Welcome technically it's happening up. It is welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben kissle. That's Marcus Parks, and we got H bone in Los Angeles. Oh my god today Uh-oh is the day to be reckoned with I got my official acceptance letter for Mufon. Oh my I am a VIP Investigator Wow and today we're talking about one of the most controversial and well documented

abduction stories of all time Fire here in the sky. Yeah, the Travis Walton story. That's it the Travis Walton story fire in the sky I can't believe you're officially a nerd you actually got it put into print. He paid to be a nerd Wow All right, my polo is yet to arrive. It is because they are moving offices Uh-huh and quote moving offices if they still have a very official looking email background when my polo comes and my cap comes And my lanyard comes then I can just walk it I also get a coffee mug because you need the caffeine to stay up all night Investigating uh-huh once I get that lanyard. I think I can walk on to crime scenes. I'm pretty sure. Yeah

So basically you're gonna be a nerdy or Ken bone And you're gonna dress like the dude who interrupted the baseball play for the Cubs in the early 2000s I'm gonna be a sexier Ken. I'm taking the Ken bone aesthetic and I'm gonna sex it up I'm gonna walk the walk I'm gonna talk the talk when I get out there and shit like it goes down the infighting between the GSW Nikap oh my god, we're gonna be covering today that kind of shit is gonna end on my watch All right, I can't wait to see detectives the Browsky out there find it all the UFOs well the Travis Walton Abduction occurred on November 5th 1975 outside the small Mormon mountain town of Snowflake, Arizona

It was witnessed by no less than seven people including Travis Walton the abductee in question Can you imagine how hot it is to be a Mormon in Arizona? Oh, yeah You have to wear a full button-down shirt and a tie and slacks It's 110, but it's a dry. These are the mountains. It's actually chilly up there. Would you get up to northern Arizona? Yeah, actually at nights there it gets blow freezing It's true Travis Walton makes us several several desperate attempts to be like you guys don't seem to understand That Arizona's not just deserts and Indians attacking us lifting right there are trees Like he's so defensive of the trees, but you could just see one Mormon turning to the other and just being like man

Oh, man, brother Jim. It certainly is hot out here. It's like yep. Yeah, but does strengthen a Mormon brother brother Thomas It does strengthen to have the sweat roll down your khakis down your legs like yes Yes, but but thanks be to Jesus that we have this mission. Yes. Yes, brother Thomas. Yes Do you know that if I put my penis in your butt? We're still both virgins. Isn't that something you well? You got to a dick joke, and I'm so proud of you for that Henry Well, although from Travis's perspective He had only been gone a couple of hours when he reappeared following the abduction He found that he had been missing for five days

By the time Travis was back in his own home He found that his story had gone worldwide before he ever said a word about it himself This abduction has been maligned again and again. It's been attacked It's been extensively attempted to be debunked especially by one piece of shit named Philip class and we're gonna get into and And there are many different alien groups, you know, like a moof on does stand by Travis Walton It is a very controversial case. So I beg you to hear us out Okay, hear us out. Well, I'm excited to hear why it's a controversial case because I mean this is cut and dry Of course the aliens abducted this sweaty sweaty

I'm already mad I'm already mad at this kiss already going against the common man He's not the Henry's not the common man. He's got a card that says he's no longer one of us. I'm a VIP investigator No, you may have already heard the tale of Travis Walton before this episode in 1993 Walton story was adapted for the movie fire in the sky starring the guy who played the liquid terminator and the dude who created Friday Night Lights all the best. I just watched Terminator 2 again. It holds up. Yeah, it's awesome Yeah, it's super fun And there's nothing that makes you feel more old than watching Edward Furlong and then googling him and seeing what time has done to that poor poor man Yes, it's a really good warning for how not to live your life. How not to squander the green light given to you by Hollywood

I just don't know what happened to him Excellent, and you know fire in the sky. It's really fun. I would recommend going and watch it It's I think on like Amazon Prime But while the movie does stick to the true events in many ways The real story is as it always is with aliens much more complicated much weirder and much dumber than the movies portray So without further ado, here is the true story of Travis Walton. Yeah, you fucking idiots Here we go on November 5th 1975 Travis Walton his best friend Mike Rogers and five other loggers Ken Peterson John Goulet Steven Pierce Alan Dallas and Dwayne Smith were on a job near Turkey Springs, Arizona

Now this is important to remember. This is a loggers story Okay, this is not it's and there's different right because like with drifters that we've covered before drifters are chaotic evil and the D&D alignment world right we'll do anything for a buck, but loggers are chaotic good Yeah, and they will do things the right way and here is a description the Travis Walton Right himself of the very nature of the soul of the loggers so you can understand where these people come from who these people are Yeah, and why you got to take their word for whatever the fuck it is that they say because they've seen some shit I guarantee it. Yeah loggers are a trustworthy people. You can't lie trees know it You can't so this is from the Walton experience by Travis Walton the Walton experience does sound like a prog rock band

For a man out there on the mountain his battle in a way really isn't with the baking sun Chilling winds steep terrain Thorn bushes or dangerous equipment His battle isn't with the rough roads mud holes biting insects or gnarly thickets The real struggle is with the inner self Call it fiber back bone or grit True toughness is internal the ability to keep going when he's hot Thirsty at breath with hands hurt his muscles ache while bark bugs pine needles and sawdust are falling down his shirt to stick in a sweat

The ability to say yes to more of this and no to the beckoning shade tree Because he knows he ought to because that's what he said he do This can help give a man the power to say yes or no in the right instances to just about anything and to act Consistently with what he says and to confront daily the inflexible realities of a cool cool real world that has teeth and bites back with immediate logical Consequences regardless of fisticate Sophistical argument or politically correct rationalization can teach someone else in short supply Common sense common sense I feel like that's what he wrote for his tinder profile and then realized that he only has a limited amount of characters

And then just went back to I'm a logger. I'm a logger. I'm a logger That is kind of erotica as well You can you get the visual of the man sweating and sort of like you know all the all the wood chips going in his hairy chest like Bizarre Plinko chips. Yeah, they're super sexy and Travis Walton and Mike Rogers were way into karate Look at that Now here's what Logan had to do with the UFO abduction see Mike had a contract with the Forest Service to clear out some brush But as he had taken on two other jobs at the same time He was behind schedule

So the crew was working dawn till dusk to try to fulfill the contract in time It's hard to be a logger You are always on call if a tree needs to be felt call a logger if a tree needs to be rolled down a hill Call a logger brush needs to be slimmed Call a logger does your daughter need her virginity cracked wide open call a logger Beavers are the loggers of the animal world and isn't that fun? Well, I think that beavers actually got vaginas got the nickname beavers from loggers fucking them all the time Well lonely on the mountain. I'm not sure if that's the case. I am you are. Oh, yeah, 100% sure about 98

mmm I don't know how that term came to be wood chipping. I think it's some sort of analogy there So at around 6 p.m. The seven men were on their way back to snowflake when they saw a strange Fire-like yellowish light just above the tree line But they smelled no smoke and they heard nothing their first theories that they thought it was night hunting for deer Which sounds incredibly dangerous? Yeah, right? I mean usually I mean it's spotlight hunting and usually do it from a moving truck Oh, it's pretty fun We yeah, we used to go spotlighting or shining as it was called, but we never shot any of the deer. We just look at him

Now as the men got closer they saw that the light was emanating from a golden UFO hanging in the air your classic two-pie flying saucer To buy that's a two-pie. Uh-huh two-pies ends on top each other. Oh Mm-hmm Now Mike Rogers stopped the truck and turned off the key and the seven men stared as the craft didn't move an inch Projecting a soft blue light directly below By Travis Walton's reckoning the saucer was 15 to 20 feet wide and 8 to 10 feet thick Mm-hmm, and then for reasons that will become clear later Travis decided he absolutely had to have a closer look The only one with the grid Henry you know a lot about the toughness. Yeah, you know about the aliens

What is it about the sort of the working class? Uh people that the aliens are drawn to their eyes have been open by their treatment by the government By the treatment of smug quote-unquote liberal or what he puts in here metropolis in society You the longer I say, okay? Yeah, the working man has a third eye open just a little bit wider than you're safe Wall Street type we're not gonna get into their diet Ah ha ha ha kiss all hmm Travis opened the passenger side door and walked toward the saucer much to the protest of the other six men who were now yelling It might get the fuck back in the truck so they could get the hell out of it

The truth is that Travis Walton he says that I've now watched several speeches of his and each one he says he's been like I was out There yes, I'm an impetuous sort I've been known to job jump onto a jet ski or or even take a trapeze lesson if it was the circus ever came to town Which never did but I did do I was out there I was obviously yucking it up for my crew members He says he was doing it as a lark because he always will do that because he collected old cars Oh, that is kind of fun. It was Travis drew closer to the UFOs beam He said he could hear a mix of low and high-pitched sounds beep beep superimposed over the sound of heavy heavy machinery

That was somehow softened wait. What does that sound like beep beep beep beep beep beep? So it's so a semi-truck was backing up well listening to like Pink Floyd Is that what that was did they just get abducted by a trucker? It's possible It just all got abducted by David Park array. Yeah God I hate the toy box killer. Oh, it really does bring a new meeting to the term a longer Yeah, you know, I mean When Travis was directly underneath the UFOs beam the sound got louder as if huge turbines were spooling up The craft then moved for the first time wobbling from side to side

And at this point Travis realized he was screwing around with something He probably shouldn't have been and figured it was a good idea to back up a bit But before he could get out from under the glow the light suddenly changed from blue to a blue green And then what he said is that his first its instinct was that he saw a log Next to like that was sticking up where the right underneath the UFO and he jumped behind it because that's a loggers first line of defense Use the trees. Yeah, second line of offense. You piss on your enemy That's a very big thing is that if you really want to make sure you're safe and and he's sort of close Sort of hand-to-hand combat you take off your pants and you just start pissing wow VIP move on VIP advice

It's that kind of advice that he got with that card an Unbelievable amount of knowledge that you've learned that you've earned over these hard years of research. You're welcome You would think it's I it's ironic that he used the tree To protect him because these are the they're the massacres They're the goibles of the tree world these people are murdering Ben Ben his log does not judge no and guess what log didn't judge No, that judge knows because trees know that time is a circle, right like in the true detective Yes flat circles and then also they were not just felling trees They were thinning the brush what they were doing is they take all the dead saplings that nature would normally take hundreds of years of

And speeding up the process of cleaning out all the dead and diseased trees to give more room for Feeding of bears for sexing of bear. I see um for for it to put in new animals in there two cans Oh rabbits, you know stuff like that. I love two cans well just after the light chain from blue to blue green Travis was lifted into the air and knocked back ten feet as if a great force had been exerted upon him And he landed hard on his right shoulder somewhat Understandably Mike Rogers started the truck back up and got the hell out of there smashing through tree branches and boulders Almost destroying his truck trying to get away from this goddamn thing

So it's it's fun to know that your friends will not help you This was just definitive proof that his friends were just like when push comes to shove It's like we're just gonna go let's get the fuck out of here Well, they said immediately they thought that it murdered him and also the drive up there is very very treacherous And they had they said they was filled with lumps in the road that they called thank you mams Because that when they hit the bottom the truck would go wham bam. They're so fucking clever That's fun. That's trucker humor mixed with construction work humor That's what a logger is a logger is a trucker mixed with a construction worker. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah

They're like drifters with skills. Cool. Yeah. Yes. I like loggers Now the men finally stopped a few miles down the road and argued amongst themselves as to whether or not they should go back Now he was eventually agreed that some of the men would build a campfire and stay behind Well, a few of the others would go back to see if Travis was dead alive or missing all together But just as Mike Rogers was about to get back into the truck He saw off in the distance the UFO rise up above the trees and fly away as these things do at an impossible Speak Marcus you say impossible. I say improbable. That's it VIP expert VIP investigator Henry Zabrowski Open to challenges

Everything is a challenge. Everything is a puzzle to be solved. How much did you pay for your for your official nerd card? $200 and the card has yet to arrive the card is yet to arrive either So I don't have any of my swag yet, but I did get an email saying confirming that they got my money So that is good Now that the craft was gone all of them agreed to go back together But when they arrived back at the site, they found no trace of Travis Walton They drove back to civilization and called the police at about 730 an hour and a half after the alleged incident

You guys remember these are also like the progeny of Mormons a lot of these guys So it's something like man. What a tough day log and Better have some cool iced tea Yes, yes, oh, you don't know no brother Jim. No, no, no, absolutely not as caffeine and then god damn it I guess we could do that non-virginating sex thing again. Yes, that does relieve the tension doesn't it brother Jim Well bean Mormon actually gives them a lot more credibility though. Yeah, they're definitely sober They're honest people the Mormons don't lie. Well, not all of them were Mormon. We'll see later on some of them So we're some of them were Mormon. They're Mormon stock. I see yeah

Now did they call the sheriff department and was it the sheriff's last day? Did he say he was too old for this shit? Is it possible that that happened? Because I would like to see that story like god damn it. Hey, you're one day from retirement. Yeah The deputy sheriff Chuck Ellison met the boys in a shop in center parking lot and found all of them Visibly upset with a couple of them even having tears in their eyes And Ellison said about their behavior that they were acting They're awfully good at it and I know for a fact that they are not because I saw their fall season rendition of Pippin It was uninspired

Ellison called up a superior officer who gathered up a small crew to search the site But they found nothing police then informed Travis's mother A stoic mountain woman who acted calm when she heard the news a little too calm according to some really Mm-hmm. Did the mother take Travis? No, she's just Mormon. She doesn't feel anything. You're all just like oh Like I don't sure that maybe is it that may be a generalization. Oh, they feel but I think what it comes down to it Sometimes what helps an investigation is broad Generalizations that's what helps. I'm a move on a move on member make things easier for yourself That's the first thing that that's one of the first rules. I got in the handbook

That's it and make it easier but all but it's true, right? But you have these five guys. They're these six guys. They're you're kind of used to being like local yucksters But they show up and they're very very upset So at first of course, they're they're they're freaking out because Ellison's watching these guys come and say we saw UFO And he's trying to sort of like let the line out because we're gonna find out he's slowly But try he's trying to build a case and actually know that I think about it I remember we did a great show in Salt Lake City had a wonderful time and Mormons are drunk as hell. Well, so I completely take back what I said regarding their sobriety because we were there over

It was like it was the final four weekend for NCAA basketball It was St. Patrick's Day. Yep, and then there was also Comic-Con. Yeah Yeah, it was the drunkest place I have been in a long time. They were very emotional, but like unstable emotional I didn't mess with them. They were messing with me though. They were a big guy big guy No, of course the news of the abduction spread like wildfire within two days The Travis Walton story had been picked up worldwide and UFO investigators descended upon Snowflake, Arizona in the dozens Because when they show back well because we didn't even say that right because they did go back to the site

And he wasn't there and then they went back with Ellison to go look at him again They went to go look and he wasn't there so they had no clue where he went Right. They know the UFO left and so they're just sitting there I mean, of course now me it makes them look very guilty as a group of six logger. All right So, but we're in the early 90s here, right? No, it's 1975 1975 so we don't in the early 90s. We don't have the internet. We don't have anything. We barely have we were still in the Pony Express days How did it get I don't know I don't know about time very well, but how did it get so far? How did the story spread so quickly?

Well, it's one of those things where it goes on the local news and it gets picked up by the AP wire It goes on the AP wire and then they start picking it up in Australia. They start picking it up in Japan I mean everybody people around the world knew about this story. Did Dan rather cover it? I don't think Dan rather covered it. No, okay. I tell you what Dan rather would not but I You see there are so many. That's a good joke. Wow. That is a good joke Wham-Bam That's a lot of joke right there, but it's the truth is that you also do Haha, you have no respect for the true tenacity of UFO groups and what they will do when they hear a hot fucking case

Ready to show up because they're basically coming at me like we're all on the fucking Lookout mm-hmm for the real jizz and this is a good story. Sure. You got a lot of witnesses There's just there's a lot. There's a lot of meat here to chew on and you got six people You got six people to interview, you know, it's witnesses. Yeah six witnesses So there's a lot going there's a lot that the news media can sink their teeth into and a lot that a lot of people that you Info investigators can talk to usually it's one shell-shocked person that they have to try to get an answer out of right now They've got six tough logger dudes And actually they said that these guys were well at least some of the other UFO investigators that came from Australia a couple of them wrote

They were like they were the meanest rough-and-tumble cowboys you ever saw Think about this too right because there were plenty of believers But there were also a bunch of skeptics like the local police because immediately they're treating this whole thing like a Missing person's case as they should have which Marcus notes here They definitely should have but a part of that is true right so now you have that's even juicier You've got a UFO story that could be masking a murder case. Yeah, right. Yeah So there is just one lucky buffet in snowflake, Arizona That is just about to close up their doors until they see a dozens of nerds coming through when they're like honey

Put the pork roast back in the oven. We're staying in business for another month. Honey. Honey hide the dice from our favorite board games They're gonna be So this whole town is just overrun now with UFO people out of nowhere Yeah, absolutely Well, the local police's working theory was that one or all of the six men had murdered Travis Walton either on purpose or by Accident and it concocted the UFO story to explain away the disappearance Hmm when Travis hadn't showed back up by Monday all six of the loggers were subjected to a polygraph test the first of dozens to be had over the course of this story

That is a thing that I will break with the UFO community on I do not think that polygraph tests are the be all and all of like That's your truth. No, it's a lie. It's all just the dumb They just love these things because they just think it's just like but it's called a lie detector test No, they go for it detects lies They go even further than like actually it's not a lie detector and lie detector is the popular nomenclature The preferred nomenclature is polygraph does not actually detect lies it detects reactions to questions Which can then be interpreted as truth or falsehood? Shut up Terry Yes, the polygraph test is we haven't really gotten that much more evolved than when we were

Hanging witches in Salem. That's basically the polygraph test is totally useless. Basically Well, the loggers were asked among other things if they had caused serious physical injury to Travis Oh, if his body was buried or hidden somewhere around turkey Springs and If they had actually seen a UFO they answered no to the first two questions and yes to the third Five out of the six men passed the test with the sixth coming out in Conclusive because the guy Alan Dallas was a shifty drifter who just didn't like being asked questions Don't ask him questions. The thing drifters can't be trusted loggers are like the book house boys from Twin Peaks They are a brotherhood of good men that do good deeds under the shadow of night drifter amongst the loggers is like a

Dwarf amongst an elf. They're different races They need different space. I see okay Also Alan Dallas and they say in several times within the fire in the sky book is that he had a A beard he had a naughty beard that the rest of them couldn't sure he was shady Alan Dallas He was the only one with the full beard and they were like couldn't trust him because you can't see his chair All the rest of me there had nice thick full man mustaches or wispy Fentine mustaches make a calendar out of these guys Wow That is hot stuff. Now the believers actually outweighed the skeptics in snowflake with Travis's brother and mother

Being the ones most ready to believe the story. Hmm. See the Walton family We're not necessarily UFO experts in the sense that say a Henry is an expert. Thank you VIP Investigator Henry Soprowski, if you would please call me that from now on that is my new title That is officially my title on my letterhead But the mother and this brother definitely discussed the possibility of life on other planets visiting earth on Mini a late night. Hmm. Okay, so they're open to the idea Yeah, they're open to the idea and in an interview with ufologist Fred Sylvanas. I hate you I like I like it called ufos better

Ufos. Yeah, ufo It sounds like a fun shoe that squeaks make me fucking mad makes me crazy I'm like an Oregonian over here. Oh my name is Oregon Well an interview with ufologist Fred Sylvanas Travis's brother Dwayne calmly said that the ufos were friendly and that he had quote a feeling a strong feel That Travis would be returned safely now Dwayne is really the center of all of the ufo Organizations activities in this story Dwayne obviously contacted some people as soon as he heard the story Dwayne has been waiting for this moment Dwayne is me Dwayne is a dude that is he has been into ufos for a long time. He claims to have seen one

It's pretty sweet. Well, maybe he's too into it though, huh? It seems like he's shut up ready to go here No, he might be no he did the fucking work Kissel. What is they all the proper work? He did the reading and he was the only one. No, I was immediately start yelling He was the only one that had the guts and the know how the know how I don't save his brother But he didn't save them because they just went away immediately well just because somebody has prior knowledge of a subject is not Automatically make their claims that they experienced said subject complete and total falsehood. That's a coincidence. It's a coincidence Say it's a coincidence. Henry saw UFO. Would you automatically say he was lying Henry? Yes?

I need to see so much documentation if you ever see a ufo I am saying I'm so much my own home to tell you this is that I would say that I would never fucking lie about seeing a ufo because Because of my knowledge of the fact and I will not add to them the ammo of the critiques about my fucking beloved science mm-hmm ufology Aka sipping whiskey will get in stone staring at the sky from your roof Yes Well if you put it like that, I've got I kind of like it now Dwayne was so confident that Travis wasn't in any danger Dwayne said the only thing that bothered him was that he wasn't along for the ride fuck

Yeah See the brothers had had many a conversation over the years about what they would do if they ever saw a UFO Both agreed that the best tactic would be to quote Immediately get as directly underneath the object as physically possible what to maximize their chance of a duck abdux Oh, they wanted to get abducted. Yeah, exactly right. They wanted to they wanted to of course He did it's the ultimate fucking adventure. You idiot. Oh my god These guys zips up around the fucking skies of different dimensions. You're hanging out with the flight of the navigator Okay, turn out to be a child molester, but that's not his fault technique. That's not the character's fault

It's never a good. Why would they want to be abducted? No abduction story is very good They're out there like Woody Harrelson in white men can't jump trying to entice their way into the game We saw what happened in that movie a lot of controversy Well, there is a theory as to why the Walton brothers were so into UFOs apparently their father was a huge UFO fanatic and he abandoned them at a young age and disappeared. They never saw him again. Well, it's very sad So the story is based in ultimate sadness and childhood loneliness Now I understand a little bit more deep-seated trauma I was legitimately thinking you got us if you see an alien you got to squeeze yourself

Yeah, I'm talking about you got it. You got a milk yourself. You got to get it all out So then the aliens say oh, he's on empty. We don't want him So you mean is if an alien is trying to abduct you you immediately start masturbating? However, you got to do it. I would do the same right? I would do the same exact thing, but I'm actually already pretty emptied Always go out that I would be a good candidate Henry when you go on your missions as Lieutenant Detective Henry Zabrowski VIP move on always go out empty Yeah, and as soon as you start to feel yourself getting full clock out of work Cuz you have do you have that thing that your balls tingle like 45 minutes after you jerk off. Yeah, no

Hell yeah As fast as it possibly can Okay, well, I'm sorry. I brought us here. This is all my fault actually Dwayne and Travis both said that once aboard whoever got abducted would convince the abductors to go pick up The other brothers so they could both enjoy it together But it seemed like to Dwayne that this was not the scenario that played out Yeah, because you can't get abducted and be like hey aliens we got two stops like they're going to wherever they want to take you know It's like going to an after-party with somebody else who's like in the show that you were going to see and been having to introduce them

And being like this is my friend Henry. He's also an actor, you know, which is just never works out never heard of him Oh, is that a VIP lanyard for move on? Yes. Welcome mr. Zabrowski. I am an investigator Now Fred Silvetis was not the only ufologist to contact the Walton family in those first few days They were also contacted by a man named William Spaulding He was the Western director of the ground saucer watch aka the GSW. Wait, hold on. What Western director of the GSW the ground Sausage watch Okay, I heard ground sausage watch and I'm like what kind of Midwestern Poke-a-fuck bizarre family is this where the ground sausage watch sausage watch

But you have to remember So the Condon report came out in 1968 the Condon report was the official government line that UFOs mean nothing and they made them close Project Blue Book and Project Gleam, right? So they close everything down. They said essentially we don't give a shit about UFOs They are not real so when 1968 happened and all of the official avenues for UFO Investigation were shut down. That's really where civilians took over that's where people came in like the GSW popped out Apro, which is the aerial phenomenon research organization popped out NiCAP came out all of these different groups popped up run by very driven broke Nerds that just started hitting the streets saying being like if the government's not gonna handle our shit

We as American citizens proud sovereign nations each unto our own are gonna go out there And we are going to investigate UFOs for everyone else. Well, now you're putting in terms that I like Henry Yeah, there were some of them who operated in an unofficial capacity. Oh, I see no lanyard. No No lanyard at least I have a land yet Spalding told Dwayne that he would provide a free medical examination of Travis upon Travis's return Emphasizing the importance of securing a sample of Travis's quote first voided specimen Hold on a second. Who is this guy that's gonna give him this thing? William Spalding western director of the ground saucer watch, okay?

So I'm assuming he is he's a lot wide Bill Spalding Bill Spalding So whatever happens to Travis when he's up there in the sky We know what occurs a lot of milkings a lot of things like that and then he comes back to earth And now this guy's gonna fiddle with him. Yeah, well, he's not gonna fiddle with him He just wants his first voided specimen kissle you come on get in the fuck get with the program All right It's his first voided specimen you have to remember this all right and you have to fucking promise me this boys is that when I am if I'm ever abducted and I return the first thing I do is going to come to you with a jar of piss and

You must send it to move on you have to send it because that is your duty as my friend That's my fucking you are my emergency reach out. I'll tell you what man when it when it happens We'll flip for it. We'll flip for it. That's fine. We'll look for all the weird marks on Henry's body and most of them I'm sure Henry will just be like that was there before the abduction No, that was there before the abduction as well be like just what's wrong with you and then we diagnosed him with stage 4 cancer We actually save his life William Spaulding Dwayne Walton and everybody else would get their shot at that first voided specimen when Travis returned on November 10th at

12.05 a.m. Travis's sister got a collect phone call Travis had called her from an Exxon station and Haber, Arizona Some 33 miles away. They called Dwayne piled in a truck and headed on over there They found Travis Walton dehydrated incoherent and highly agitated Slumped over inside a phone booth. Oh man. It's like the world's saddest terminator. It is But instead of letting the authorities know that the man who had been missing for five days under suspicion of murder had been found Dwayne immediately called William Spaulding of the GSW to take him up on that free doctor offer You do the same exact thing for me. I don't want any police involved until we've caught the alien ourselves

So the crew drove a hundred and forty four miles in the middle of the night It's almost three hours from Haber, Arizona to Phoenix where they met with a doctor Lester Stewart, but when they asked for his credentials they discovered that he was not a doctor He was a hypnotherapist. Yes. Can you imagine them showed up and he's like one two three. You're out now when I snap Your ass is a vase One two three. You're back up. Oh look. I found these beautiful flowers Travis But this guy markets himself as a doctor Oh, absolutely. Well the GSW told them that like we have a doctor that will examine you

But I'm pretty sure what it was the GSW was one of the poor Fox They were one of the super poor organizations and the only person they could find who might have had some sort of medical Experience was a hypnotherapist. They knew named Lester. Okay. He was a he was a medic in the army Oh, okay That's what that's what he came out. He said he was a medic in the army and he got the name You got the doctor title by just printing it on a piece of paper. Oh putting it up on his wall Yeah, so but he was not a doctor. Oh, yeah, so 45 minutes later the Walden's had already had it on back to Snowflake They weren't gonna let the hypnotherapist poker on Travis

But to the GSW's credit before Travis left that first voided specimen was indeed sampled and Analyze what is the specimen piss? Oh? When the results came back Travis tested negative for drugs and alcohol, however, uh-huh according to the doctor He did not himself witness Travis fill the jar According to the doctor Dwayne just handed him a jar of piss and said it was Travis's could have been anyone Oh, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself You keep jar of piss is like ready to go like that is true That's a part of because they have to cover themselves with their own piss to make themselves invisibles to skunk

I'm actually not really sure how the nature works. I think you I I'm pretty sure you have to cover yourself with the urine of the animal that you don't want to be eaten by right Well, I mean if you want to hunt an animal Then you cover it yet you cover it to mask your scent to make it not human like if you want to hunt deer You cover yourself in deer pits. Yeah, but I don't know Jeffrey Dahmer did but And I don't want to get into it. Was that what our president was doing in Russia. He's trying to make himself invisible to hookers Sex workers Henry, please for the for crying out loud, and I found out strippers are sex And we are learning we're learning I'm sorry every day every day I learned what you know

I always thought they were exotic dancers. Well, what they are wonderful people Yeah, that's what I call anybody who dances is so free It is sad when they dance like no one's looking though because then they're ignoring you That's kind of sad because all these exotic dancers all these sex workers are dancing like no one's looking What am I paying for anyway? If if I did it if I Travis returned to snowflake Tuesday morning and by Tuesday night the Waltons had gotten a phone call from another UFO team the aerial phenomena research organization aka apro Oh, unlike the GSW apro had a powerful and well-known ally the National Enquirer

Now back then the National Enquirer was only half celebrity gossip The other half was dedicated to UFOs Bigfoot's and post 1977 Elvis site And but they actually look for legit cases They would look they would try to make these things as airtight as possible because one of the weird thing about the National Enquirer is that because it's always sensational news and Ridiculous bullshit in there. Mm-hmm. They they couch it with like real UFO stories And that was sort of like the way that was like an avenue to get a UFO story out to the mass public Yeah, and also they provided funds for research, which all of these civilian UFO groups

Desperately need yeah, and so when this dude showed up when they showed up and basically said like will fund this whole research thing They're like, okay And so you just kind of signed a deal with the devil to know like well these will get all of this done done quote-unquote Legitimately as much as possible and if you want to understand how messed up our current world is the National Enquirer Endors Donald Trump. He's very good friends with the head of the National Enquirer Yeah, and they also stumble upon the truth on occasion. They broke the John Edwards scandal for example We had the affair. Yeah, so they do there is like snippets of truth in there Yeah, little little things here and there, but yep

They went from a UFO to a mouthpiece for the president isn't that insane a short few decades Wow We are losing touch with reality on a regular basis all around the world. You just gotta believe in yourself That's all it shows me it actually gives me hope you just go out there and you make something out of yourself You can do it if you make your own reality then no one else's reality matters. Isn't that lying? Okay, all right, I'm sorry well this whole Apro National Enquirer Alliance is where the first split in the UFO community concerning the Travis Walton abduction began Any listener of last podcast knows that no academic discipline has more infighting than the UFO paranormal community We have to unite the groups

We have to unite the gangs and what I become commandant of move on which I think is the name of the top position and move on Which I will become I will unite the gang so you're that you're gonna be like the Cyrus of alien of alien Organizations we will become one front and then which will be truly be a force to be reckoned when you say the gangs you mean different sex of alien alienologists you You racist Racist well really that's not for lack of trying people try bringing together these guys from time to time Uh-huh, for example, this is an excerpt from an article published in the ground saucer watch newsletter Concerning the discord in the UFO community during October of last year

I was a participant in a national UFO conference at Fort Smith, Arkansas The theme of the meeting was united for objectivity in all fairness to Bill Pitts the organizer of this broad undertaking It was a monumental achievement Bringing together all the major civilian organizations leaders in one building at one time We left Fort Smith with mixed but good feelings Unfortunately, no high-level resolutions were established nor were any serious objectives planned for the future on The plus side I felt the petty ill feelings existing between the organizations was settled and now

Some constructive teamwork could have been accomplished in the 70s. That's great Meanwhile, there's one there's one guy dressed like wharf just completely confused on what the convention was all about thinking It was more of a cosplay event. This is 1975. It's long before wharf. I know it would be Spock. Yeah, you are inaccurate It doesn't it doesn't matter it doesn't been these are alien episodes alien episodes are required to be factually accurate If we were ever to be taken seriously, you cannot have it. You cannot have an anachronism in this episode been but Because all critics they're looking for their spot They're looking for the hole in the armor and you fucking piece of shit. You put suitors. We get a chicken Well, they come for us man. I'm ready for it. There's like a mafia. I just feel like the whole thing

I'm not gonna get into it But alas three weeks after that meeting in Fort Smith, Arkansas Travis Walton was abducted and the fragile peace collapsed So after the incident with the hypnotherapist Dwayne who would at this point pretty much had taken over for Travis Decided to cut ties with the GSW and sided with apro instead who had admittedly thrown in with the National Enquirer for their vast financial resources of which apro had None we'll say when groups use acronyms. It does sound much more intense. It seems like you know something's happening They know that nerds love it nerds love acronyms. It is fantastic

It's great because then it's it makes you sound like you work for the CIA Yeah, and you get also get to kind of like make a little puzzle Yeah, yeah, yeah Because you got to have an acronym that you can just say is a word right you get to rearrange all the words of your organization To make it sound like move on. Yeah, I kept and one day I'm gonna have a polo that says move on on it and when I have it it's gonna look like I work like it I work at a much more important best spot All right

And through the resources from the National Enquirer apro was able to hire their own hypnotherapist Who was able to unlock Travis's memories to give us the full story of just what happened after his friends sped off into the Darkness to leave him at the mercy of extraterrestrial beings What follows is the account Travis gave to penthouse magazine, which along with all the letters and piss Actually had some pretty good journalism here in there. All right I unfortunate the the the yes the really good condensed version of his abduction was in penthouse magazine But I do back up this complete account because I have listened to and I swear to God I've listened to seven different Travis Walton speeches. I'm talking over

12 hours Wow of Travis Walton. I've listened to over the last week and He hits all these exactly he he has the story down. Yeah, so okay, I back this up Now the moment the beam hit Travis he blacked out He didn't even remember hitting the ground for a time He faded in and out of consciousness The only thing he remembered from that period was a light a few feet above and intense pain in his head and chest And when he woke up fully he was lying on a table and noticed that the room He was in was hot and humid the air so wet

He could hardly breathe and loggers thrive in that because their chest hairs can actually Loggers chest hair can actually bring in moisture like a plant makes sense Then Travis heard movement as his eyes adjusted Travis saw that he was in the presence of three alien creatures They were a little under five feet tall with large bald domed heads their eyes were gigantic and surprisingly Brown huh no eyelashes and no eyebrows and when they blinked the lids slid down and Rolled back up again like pull down window shades. Oh You don't got to tell me

Their skin was white and Marshmallow That was his words those are that is Travis Waltons words Marshmallow. Yeah, Marshmallow. Mmm. Take a little bite out of them Their mouths ears and noses were tiny but Travis does admit They may have been normal sized features on a huge head making them look tiny like Haley Joe Osmond Yeah, he's got like a foot. He's got a boy's face on a big fat alcoholics head He's kind of like It's like Paul Giamatti if he had alopecia, they're very intense looking the drawings of them. They're very I mean obviously very otherworldly We're gonna see a lot of different variations in the idea of grace. He said that they did look like robots

That's a friend. That's another thing. He did scrum that they moved very strangely and they were very um Soft interesting. You're also describing if she shaved her head Sarah Huckabee Sanders Yes, that's tiny little face and there's so much stuff around. Yeah, she's got tiny face very straight Yeah, yeah, very strange indeed now Travis Understandably freaked out once he realized aliens were standing over him So he lashed out and hit the creatures to his right who he said was surprisingly light and fell into the next one Not gonna both over the way it seems like it's like if you ever like if you ever wanted to look at like a 85 year old woman and know you could just like snap her arms by pulling on her wrist

Yeah, like you could just grab an old woman and like push her down real hard and it'd be really easy It was like that. I don't know. Yeah, I really don't do that. Yeah You know I never thought about that Beating up an old woman not beating up an old woman how easy it would be to beat up an old woman Those are two bears seven. I look at you when I think that Even though you're wiry and tough. Yeah, I am. I'm like a deceptively strong Oh, yeah, man, like a piece of jerky that's just been sitting out on a cabinet for weeks. You're not old trapper I can't be knocked over. I know no one's ever not do over

So Travis stood up and staggered backwards against the wall near some shelves He saw a clear tube and figured he could break off the end and use it as a stabbing tool bar fight style But when he tried to break it He found that the tube was unbreakable and was too light to be used as a club Travis said as he was smashing the tube into the shelf over and over again The aliens held up their hands and what sounds like the universal gesture for just be cool man calm down Be cool. Be cool. This I am claxar. This is my friend. I think his name is also claxar We've never exchanged names before hi. Hello. Why don't we've been working together for six months?

We should have had some sort of intro by now, but listen I we just need you to cool out cool out We're gonna put this tube up your penis. It will be fine. Trust us. Ask Barney Hill. He loved it Horrified when Travis refused to cool out the aliens turned and hurried out the room through a hallway Hmm Travis at a loss for what to do walk to the same way, but as the aliens had turned right down the corridor Travis took a left. There's also remembering There's a part of you with the way that he describes the environment of the UFO I think is very important is that it looks like brush metal gray. It is all gray. It's like he's an entire it looks like Aluminum foil the other side of it and all there's no seams on the walls

He's in this big triangle shape room that leads to another the weirdly organically shaped Tube that he goes back out and into the hallway So it feels like which is another interest because I was rich in Richard Dolan's new book UFOs for the 20th First century mine and he brought up another idea of that the idea of a craft is also alive that the craft could also Possibly be an entity. Why are you fucking snickering at me? Yeah, because that because that was in fucking Battlestar Galactica Yeah, good for them UFOs for the 21st century mine. Yeah, when did you have those for the 21st century mine come out? Go fuck yourself I'm looking at this thing. Don't get into a nerd battle over this 2014 2014. Yes. Yeah, but I'm just saying

Yeah, Battlestar Galactica was 2007 Richard Dolan's UFOs for a 21st century mine is a very good collection I pulled that cover up for look at look at it. Look how cool that cover is it's Richard Dolan his head Was that TV show is a kid's money python. Yes money. Yeah, it's like the art of Terry Gilliam the animation of Terry Gilliam Wonderful artist, but technically he can just say anything right? No No, I Am just I am just in it. I am just in a snit So Travis walked down the hallway until a door open to his right He walked in to find a round room with nothing but a metal chair on a single pole sitting in the middle facing the other direction

Travis carefully Approached the chair thinking he might find someone sitting there waiting for him But he found that as he walked closer and closer the lights grew dimmer and the darker it got the more it stars Travis could see all around him above below everywhere like an all-encompassing planetarium And when he got to the chair Travis saw that there was a panel of buttons and a small green screen on the right armrest While the left only had a lever Travis looked across the room and saw some rectangular patterns She figured to be doors and he thought that maybe one of the buttons on the chair armrest

Might open the door so he just started pushing him Henry is this how you would react if you were abducted It seems like just a drunk father trying to watch the Super Bowl and he can't figure out how to turn the TV on Well, he is not nearly as prepared as Dwayne so he got there of course. He's very scared He's very disoriented. He's in a lot of pain. He was thrown by the blue beam. He was his shoulder hurts She's all fucked up. He doesn't want to do so. He's scrambling. Well, I imagine I would do is coolly calmly sit Go through the investigation with the aliens. I would describe describe to them honestly I am as just as invested in this phenomenon as you are as workers as

They're subject and I'm willing to meet you 50 50 to really get to the crux of what it is You're discovering. What are you trying to discover? How can I help you? Huh? All right? Well when nothing happened when Travis pressed all the buttons he decided to try the lever You found that when he pushed the lever the stars moved while staying in their same astrological position It sounds to me like Travis stumbled upon some sort of super cool interactive star map Yeah, that's fucking awesome. That's what cool as shit. Yeah, dude. You plug that into your ps4, man But after a bit Travis figured he should probably stop screwing around with mysterious buttons and levers and he left it all alone But as soon as he stopped he heard a noise he turned around and saw a man standing there

Just a regular run of the mill white dude the only thing that set him apart Physically were his eyes which looked slightly larger than normal and were shining bright gold Like Shia LaBeouf Travis said the guy was about six foot well built and wore a tight blue jumpsuit with a clear bubble helmet And Travis started yelling and screaming, but the stranger gave no answer. He just smiled. Oh, oh, oh He waited for Travis to calm down and took him by the arm to lead him out of the star room Travis figured the guy hadn't answered because he couldn't hear on account of the helmet So Travis went along hoping for answers down the line should the helmet be removed

You would think that they would have like some kind of device in the helmet that would allow the person to hear Yes, like a sound not as prepared as Dwayne, but that was Travis's idea Not as prepared as to it and that was a little Travis I his immediate response and see he couldn't hear because of the helmet We don't know but maybe he didn't want to talk or maybe he was not in fact a human But in fact the Nordic and could not speak to him Well, they walked together to an airlock and when they got to the other side the atmosphere seemed to change the dank Wetness was replaced by a cool freshness and Travis No, it just sounds like trying new deodorant

The dank wetness will be replaced with a cool whatever the Travis in the light was bright like sunlight They walked through what Travis assumed to be a hanger of sorts as he saw three UFOs similar to the one that had taken him Parked inside once they were through the hanger the stranger brought Travis through the hallway to another room where two men and a woman were waiting These three weren't wearing helmets and all had long dirty blonde hair Strangers sat Travis down and left the room Travis tried to ask him where the hell he was and what the hell they were doing But again, they just smiled and stared welcome to Los Angeles So what kind of race are we talking here Nordic with the aliens Nordics these are Nordics and what are they all about again?

Sex we're gonna get into an episode about this at some point where I wanted to do another episode We will do is that we will talk about specifically Nordic abductions, and I gotta tell you what it's pretty fucking saucy Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, they milk you but they milk you in a good way. Oh, I see good milking The woman then stood up took Travis by the arm and started leading him to another table Travis started to get a little agitated again So they pulled something like an oxygen mask over Travis's face and before he could reach up to pull it off He was unconscious again the next thing he knew he was standing next to the highway Outside Haber, Arizona watch him one of the craft

He'd sing in the hangar hovering above him a light went out as if a hatch was closing and the UFO shot straight up into the air Without a sound and out of the five days that he'd been missing Travis claims This was the only chunk of time he remembered and what he said was that he all told when he talked to the hip metara Hypnotherapist afterwards it seemed like it's really just he remembers about 20 minutes of that time period So five days total though, huh? Yeah, five days. He was gone yikes So after Travis returned safe and sound in snowflake the battle for the truth began with apro and the National Enquirer on one side and the GSW and an old buddy-daddy dickhead named Philip class on the other I fucking hate Philip class. I hate him so much. I hate him

What's wrong with Philip class classic wet blanket? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah classic wet blanket. He was smug He's condescending. He's the guy he liked to write in all caps for emphasis in letters and articles as if that just made his point Stronger, he was a pretty much a professional UFO debunker He is the one that created the concept of the that UFOs are ball lightning that he had says his whole thing is ball lightning and Plasma flares all lightning ball lightning. He was the guy that said if you could prove Conclusively that UFOs existed. He would pay you $10,000. Oh, but you had to take him up on the offer on the offer And if you took him up on the offer, then you had to give him a hundred dollars for every year that UFOs did not go discovered. So he's like the world's dumbest. Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank

He's making money on top of money that is see it. All right. I see what you're saying now. He's a total prick Yeah, class is known in the UFO community for suppressing and distorting evidence to fit his own personal agenda Personal attacks and as we shall see decades-long campaigns of harassment towards those who disagree with him He even purposely sabotaged our man Stanton Friedman in his quest to link American UFO cover-ups with those conducted in Canada Class is the type of guy hardcore skeptics love a real top-grade asshole. Go fuck yourself Philip class I hope you're listening to this. Oh, wait, you're dead. Good. I'm glad you're dead Is he a goner? He's a goner. Yeah, he's like those guys on the internet now

They'll like take Carl Sagan way too seriously. They start all their arguments with well actually. Yeah He's like the he's like the proto well actually guy. I see okay No, let's actually hear Philip class from a televised debate He had with Travis Walton and Mike Rogers on the Larry King show the first voice You're gonna hear is gonna be Mike Rogers and then Larry class is gonna interrupt him like a dickhead The man that has used character assassination mudslinging And outright fabrications in an attempt to cover up the truth. God damned liar

Mike Rogers and I have taught you in falsehood after falsehood and you know it. No I love it. I literally just honestly. I don't believe in time travel But that was the closest I've ever felt to being in seventh grade eating family dinner I just I could just fall asleep. I just want to pet a dog God damn liar Because he because that the first voice you're hearing was Mike Rogers voice and then he comes in he He hates UFO so much. It's almost kind of like He was abducted by a UFO a long time ago

And he really fucking liked it and they saw what a fucking big old Old slutty was for it and they decided not to pick him up again. He hates UFOs like Jeff Sessions hates weed Ah, I see very interesting. He's just up there just being like, yeah, yeah, you're a goddamn liar saying you won't put that too But my penis right because I'm ready to shoot Oh night long you tiny brown-eyed little seductors your little a fucking sweet sweet It's succubus come and come and check my asshole My fucking ass snap snap Meanwhile, is that a

Meanwhile, he's at a Minneapolis airport tapping his foot underneath a stall somewhere trying to solicit a bj from some random traveler Hey, hey, hey, hey you an alien I fucking hate you alien so much suck my dick I'm running legislation to get you out of this bathroom alien So apro set up a full medical examination for travis walton after the failed attempt with the hypnotherapist in gsw They found that travis had a small red spot at the crease of his right elbow Which appeared to be from a hypodermic needle the urinalysis also showed a lack of ketones What does that mean?

See when a person doesn't eat their body starts to eat itself Breaking down stored fat to keep it going and while travis claimed to not remember eating anything There were no ketones in his urine implying that he had been well fed for the last five days Interesting, you know when I lost 180 pounds. That was actually the visual that really helped me My body eating itself. I thought about little like little like pac-mans eating all the fat. That's really scary I don't know. I thought it was kind of cool that that helped because so you thought that you just had that your body was like filled with langoliers Basically, uh, it was kind of a cool thing now before you say that travis might have been fed

Intravenously through the needle hole by the aliens the spot was not on a large artery Which is how one is fed in such a manner This means that either travis would be in fed another way by the aliens Or we're just hanging out watching tv for five days But others also claimed that the ketone test was quote-unquote inconclusive Okay What's harder to explain though was the lack of bruises on travis's body If things happen the way the logger said it happened then travis should have had a huge bruise on his right shoulder

From being thrown 10 feet by an energy beam, but when he was examined no bruises were found Now this could actually somewhat be explained by a recent revelation travis had about his abduction He believes that the aliens did not abduct him for testing or sperm harvesting or any of the other typical reasons aliens have Travis believes that they took him in because they had accidentally injured him with their propulsion system Now this is actually in my in my estimation. This is pretty legit travis had some sort of psychic communication with the aliens This is how they work, right? And so I think this thing that you're about to break down Which which is what travis laid out

I think it's actually pretty close to the truth of what could have happened. Yeah, and in no way did I laugh when Henry said that? I'm getting so much. I'm getting so good You I want I want to be with you Henry. I'm supporting you Yeah, you want to believe you want to believe I want to believe that Henry. I want Henry to be happy Thank you Now in this scenario the aliens were parked out in the middle of nowhere Mined in their own business when some yokel walks up and starts gawking travis. Hey, look. Hey Hey, look, ha ha. I want to go. Can you get my brother dwayne?

Can we go get my brother dwayne? I wonder what the aliens are thinking when they just see this guy Well, what they think is that he's been recently emptied He's gonna be no good to us. He has recently emptied What they're thinking is that they need to get the hell out of there So they turn on their engine leave, but the idiot outside ends up walking into the spaceship equivalent of a jet turbine So they feel bad because they accident almost killed this guy because imagine right UFO's engine the way they say are Gravitational they create a hole in gravity in front of them and it pulls them forward Which requires gigantic spinning electromagnets inside of it, right? It's some weird kind of thing

So when it takes off it builds this huge field And when he pops into it and he gets too close He like pops the bubble and it's like when you touched like the the big like electro balls It's just like it's just you you pop it and then you get the energy in you. Okay. Yeah, I'm not a scientist I'm just an investigator. I am one of a person I remember that That paper reading that scientific paper get the energy into you. Ah, yes, I love that one That one got me a D in high school I am I can already see what's the what's the movie with Jake Gyllenhaal where he ends up setting up all the crime scenes

So we can nightcrawler nightcrawler. Yeah, Henry is going to be the moof on version of nightcrawler. Yes Make the news it's gonna get dark and it's gonna get scary So Travis gets hurt by the aliens the aliens feel bad They bring him onto the ship and they spend four and a half days repairing his broken body Travis accidentally wakes up While the graves are doing their job He freaks out the Nordic swoop in to clean up the mess and they drop him back close enough to where they picked him up Just about 30 miles away This is one possible scenario if you could just for a second be serious

Both of you and just think about this. This is a pretty valid explanation You fucking I hear the judgment. No, I feel it. It's a good story. Everywhere I go It's a very good story. So yeah, no, it makes sense the aliens abducted a logger And then they messed it up because he woke up because they didn't do enough anesthesia Which happens it happens it happens and then and then graze Came and they they cleaned up the mess the Nordics came in. Oh, of course. Yeah, and then they just dropped him off Just you know, just got a 30 miles outside of town. Yeah. No, that's uh, that's beyond reasonable So after the medical examination

apro set up a polygraph test for travis this first test was conducted by john mccarthy of the arizona polygraph laboratory And mccarthy is the same breed as philip class both came into the story as biased non-believers And both are big fans of ad hominem attacks meaning they attack the person they don't attack the argument But what I don't I honestly don't understand the character traits in someone why even get into the ufo phenomenon If you don't want to like have a good time with it. It's called being a fucking blogger It's called being someone that does the same shit It's literally like you hate it so much that you want to be up in it because you're desperate to believe These are the saddest of all because all they ever wanted to do

They had their hearts broken when they found out santa claus wasn't real a long time ago. Sorry kids But you wouldn't know it's like they they were so disappointed that the easter bunny wasn't fucking their mom I don't know what they thought it was that now they're like They're the psychiatrists from the movie the santa claus. Oh, yeah What is that saying is like inside every cynic is a wounded optimist. I say get over yourself I never heard that saying before you like it. I love it I love it. That'll happen. That'll happen Uh, that's very interesting. My parents never let me know that santa claus was ever real

But they always told me santa claus was fake, but jesus very real very real well They're in questioning mccarthy discovered that travis had smoked weed a few times and sure he'd done a little speed And maybe dropped acid a time or two, but for fuck's sake. This is 1975. He's a logger Yeah, he this these aren't exactly rare occurrences But that didn't stop class from bringing it up again and again throughout the years every single time He talked about this case. He always was like, well, he was a known drug user in the past Have you ever seen anything like that while on acid or on mushrooms? No, we're seeing a full apparition once

I've done it dozens of times. I did mushrooms. I wanted to see this kind of shit I mean, I wanted once very intense I had a very intense trip once where I saw the like that I broke away and I saw a weird ass Alien spirit guy that was in the shape of the dude from big labowski And I saw these 3d planes of information But I was also closing my eyes and allowing my mind to drift. I didn't just see it Yeah, I once rode a roller coaster out of hell into space. Really? Yeah, but my eyes were closed Yeah, I've never well what uh philip class hypothesizes is the uh puncture wound was from travis walton injecting a mixture

Of acid and angel dust. Wow. What are you even talking about? I don't even know if that's a combo. Is that a drug combo? I googled it It wasn't really a drug combo because it sounds that sounds like that's how you murder your mother I think yes. I think technically it's called a silver dollar pancake. Uh-oh, and you can get it in certain parts of nebresca Not a tree in sight well right after Class brought up the occasional drug use. He'd also bring up another youthful indiscretion that traps taken part in as a teenager He and a friend had apparently stolen and forged some payroll checks for a little bit of quick cash There were 16. There were stupid kids again, not great, but not the worst thing in the world either

I don't think that that makes you make up a story about alien abductions. No, absolutely not Maybe I wouldn't I wouldn't trust the guy if he was running a car dealership, perhaps Uh or being a plastic surgeon, but but being a lager That is all you need to be a lager is a little bit of a longer. Yeah, he's a lager He's a little bit of a risk taker. He loves old cars and karate He understands what he has to do. He understands what what he's needed. He just needs to be his own moral compass Absolutely, then between the ages of 12 and 18, how many felonies did you commit? None? I never got arrested We I will say we had a lot of cigarettes in my high school

And I will also say we did not pay for a lot of cigarettes And a lot of beer So after discovering the weed and the theft McCarthy decided to turn the screws on travis a little He asked travis if he had quote-unquote colluded with anyone else to cook up this whole story and when travis had to admit he didn't know what the word colluded meant McCarthy aggressively said that colluding meant conspiring with others. Just had travis had colluded to forge payroll checks. They're getting robert moeller on the case. This is gonna be huge

It's huge. Yeah, it isn't a ufo case until somebody mentions the word colluded collusion collusion is big Like what eisenhower did at the end of it all McCarthy concluded that travis was lying saying that travis had Periodically tried to hold his breath in an effort to quote-unquote beat the machine According to apro travis's agitated state from being abducted by a ufo along with the aggressive nature of McCarthy's questioning Rendered the test meanings. Well, that was all the thing the McCarthy included his judgments in the cover letter of the test results Which is what a polygraph testers not supposed to do you supposed to just kind of be like super neutral and be like Okay, here you go. These are these are these are my recordings and someone else was supposed to analyze them And he did this whole like smearing him. He hated ufo. I see he put some bias in it, huh?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and the results which were paid for by the national inquirer were not released And many debunkers claim that this suppression is direct evidence that travis and the other six men were lying all along This is despite them passing every polygraph test they took from then on up till present day But whether any of these tests mean anything at all depends on how much credence you give polygraph tests none None polygraph. I mean they they have been they they're no longer used in a court of law Can you imagine how many people are currently imprisoned who are innocent because of a polygraph test? But that's for a different show. We will talk about that. It is So after travis took a second polygraph test and passed key and coral lorenzen. What was that coral lorenzen?

So you have to be drunk. Do you have to be drunk to say the name or can you try to do it? So Yes, coral lorenzen. I gotta say you're you're the prettiest woman I've ever met this named after a sea structure Coral lorenzen. She was the co-founder of apro with her husband. Okay They decided that it was time to start doing interviews Travis's first interview was with kowl L cool tv on the show face the state hosted by jim reyerson and chuck diamond face the state also sounds like a death penalty show Where you just line up? It does. There's a lot of death. Welcome to face the state

Today it's like a version of the movie running man. Yeah face the state Now I've read the transcript of the interview and the interesting thing about travis's account is as henry said 40 years later It has remained the same from this very first interview. It is very solid It is a very solid story. He repeats it again and again. They it is it's on the money every time He doesn't embellish anything It's really because that's kind of the things like fire in the sky kind of blew this up into something that it definitely was not Like it was the abduction is way more what we talked about getting it's dumb and weird, but idiosyncratic It's like a thing. We're obviously

He has very specific memories. Yeah, I mean a UFO abductions don't follow pacing and plot points You know, they have to be stylized quite a bit and fire in the sky the alien abduction scenes That's why you watch the movie because the alien abduction scene at the end is amazing It's one of the coolest alien abduction scenes ever filmed. Yes, but but also at the same time remember Which is my my full it happens almost in a dreamlike state I do again believe that we create 50 percent of the phenomenon there's like we are meeting these entities halfway With creating the the the way that we play the way that they are sort of like allowed to come into the world and interact with us

None of the seven men. I did not laugh again Thank you. No problem. Well, none of the seven men have ever changed the story or altered it in any way since they came out of the woods that night This is what Tracy Tormey writer of the fire in the sky screenplay had to say about the group Because she interviewed all of these guys Outside of rogers and walton the other guys were extremely Unimaginative Semi-literate yet their stories hung together perfectly in minute detail more than 10 years later Even when I tried to trick them by saying things that were a little off

But that did not stop the debunkers Specifically fill up class. Well really her argument was his oh his argument. Tracy torment Tracy And the son of mel tour me. No kidding velvet. I love mel tour me Yeah, also wrote a bunch of star trek next generation episodes a lot of battle star galactica episodes. No kidding. Yeah Tracy tour made a force in science fiction. So but the only one of the main arguments is they're too dumb to lie Yes, some of them. Yeah, okay. Yeah Yeah, but that didn't stop the debunker specifically fill up class His campaign against travis walton began in an article

He wrote in the newsletter for the national investigators committee on aerial phenomena aka nycap He actually laid out a pretty good argument Even though almost half of it was written in all caps like he was screaming at the reader But some readers didn't agree with class and this will give you an idea of how these people speak to each other I would like to see a book written in all italics just so I know the author's a little insecure Now this reader named donald l. Klein wrote a rebuttal to the newsletter issuing a three page point by point take down Of class's assertions. Now. This is how he ended the letter and this is a hundred percent real I submit

Philip j class disproves himself every time he publishes the results of one of his quote unquote investigations It has been said before by one more illustrious than I and it shall no doubt be said again as long as class continues to publish class dismissed ps I do not wish to be associated with an organization so indifferent to an in-depth investigation and fair reporting Please consider my resignation as a member of nycap as being effective immediately I love it. I can see the kids going and down the alligator run as this guy sits sipping a pina colada in an inflatable pool

Just wearing fun short shorts that have like garfield on them I cannot rate to send my strongly worded letters with my letterhead. I'm have a full letterhead I'm gonna send typewritten letters Denouncing people it must be written within with at least seven inches of water. You have to be somewhat submerged In order to really write these no, that's just one tiny example of the infighting between these people Mufon, that's the mutual UFO network actually compiled a 375 page dossier collecting dozens upon dozens of documents related to the travis walton case It is thick. We made it through like maybe I made it through 95 pages. I think I read of it

I read a lot of it. It's a lot. I read quite a bit of it But there were the parts that I started skipping over Uh, some of the barbs thrown between gsw and apro like those were kind of fun But the vast majority of the letters that I skimmed are between class and mike rogers The best friend who was driving the truck that night and kind of became the spokesperson after dwayne kind of lost interest a little bit See mike was acting as the point man for all this for what came to be known as Quote the nine test subjects, which was the name the seven dudes and a couple of people from apro gave themselves for years and I mean

Years class berated these guys writing letters making phone calls tracking them down Even after they moved and did not leave forwarding addresses He came to their homes all trying to get them to recant their story And this is really this is the telling right here This this next bit about offering steve pierce the youngest witness who also took much umbrage with the fact that travis walton Always described him as crying when the police came. Yeah. Hmm. He was 16. He was young. He was scared. It's emotional. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy a class. He offered steven pierce $10,000 to go back on what he said But you didn't do it. He didn't do it. He was gonna do it

He didn't do it. He was gonna do it and then he didn't do it because he has honor Well, he's a he's a logger. He's a logger. He's got a fucking backbone He knows the only thing he could trust is fellow loggers and trees And if you break that trust between another logger, you can't go back Squirrels will attack you if you know that you've been ousted by a logger because actually that is what mike rogers What mike actually said to him was that if you know if you do this you're out Uh-oh, like he used the he said the terms you're out Which is sad. We have here a piece of an interview from steven pierce. This is 2015

Steven pierce never came out and spoke out loud about this Travis walton and mike rogers were doing this on their own the other buddies kind of split and they were like Well, we don't want to be involved with all of the ufo bullshit and ufo conference stuff But he came out and finally did an interview in 2015. Yeah, okay Yeah, and it wasn't just harassment from client that from class that did these guys then check out this interview I didn't leave arizona because of filiplines You know, I didn't leave texas because of filiplines

I left those places for, you know, I left arizona because I was tired of being harassed by everybody I can't sleep at night. I stress all the time. I'm scared of the woods. I cannot sleep in the woods by myself um In my family they They do not believe me. That's what really hurts the most My ex-wife used to tell me not to tell nobody because they thought I was nuts

You know, you can't Don't be going to somebody's house and tell them the story because it's embarrassing They think you're nuts, you know, I don't even believe she really believes the story Uh, but the why was he sleeping in the woods alone? Of course you can't sleep it's not a reasonable thing for a logger to do. Oh, yeah, that's true Okay, or any sort of woodsy man sleeping in the woods alone. Yeah, uh He looks trustworthy. I will say he is a trustworthy face What does this guy get out of after all these years coming back and talking about this shit? They're not making money

I think that's a big thing that they all say that like, oh these guys make so much money You know, like they get all these books. It's like you book deals. It's like the advance is not that much money The the money goes away fast Then you have like especially because the book is it's not like communion, right? The book is out of print I had to pay 45 dollars to get the walton experience Like that is not and that money's not going to him. It's going to use bookstores The the movie only made so much money the money goes this guy's just kind of sad. It was very sad I don't know. Yeah, and this guy wasn't the only one

Another one of the guys ken peterson. He was so scarred by the event in the aftermath He actually left the Mormon church. He gave up his religion and moved to Mexico And these guys weren't the only ones involved over the years They brought in a whole new cast of characters and one of them was this guy named cleave baxter Who was supposed to administer a new polygraph test at class's request cleave is an underappreciated name I never heard the name cleave before but I do kind of like it Yeah, but cleave was mike's guy and class rejected him because he found out cleave claimed that his polygraph test proved That plants have feelings can tell when they're loved they can

And you know when when you mow the grass that's actually that smell. It's not good. It's them crying crying. Yes So you shouldn't mow your grass. You have to mow your grass. I understand but it is grass is feeling that too You do have to mow your sacrifices must be made The eggs have to be cracked you make omelets omelets have to be eaten by people getting breakfast Yeah, so cleave is telling them you got these guys. They got to take a new polygraph test mike comes back Hey, I got cleave class. This guy's no good and mike says fuck you. We're not using anybody else And so class says never mind and nothing was ever resolved between these guys And

Fucking in class. He was still writing about this story 20 years later They need each other though and you get the feeling they really should just be friends. Yeah Yeah, but yes, no the fucking class has no true friends. I see yeah class is like what he's mr. Wilson Yeah, yeah, they don't have they don't have friends. They just have x wives Oh and children playing around the yard that are machivous What I will say is of all of every so most of the time you read about all of these guys have x wives No, they're all alone except for travis walton Travis walton still with his wife dana and they were very madly in love as a matter of fact

They bumped up from girlfriend to wife after the event really and uh his travis walton married mike roger's sister Bam look at that and and that's one of the things that's like super sad about uh fire in the sky The epilogue to the movie, you know every time they do a true story. There's always an epilogue The only thing they say about mike roger's like he got divorced That's it. I said travis walton got married look at that. Yes No, at least it wasn't the same woman involved in both scenarios, especially since he was one of their sisters. Oh Yeah, hell yeah That's called a logger a logger's right

A logger has the right to fuck your sister But you have to marry them. I don't know if that's true, but No, really I will give class a little bit of credit for bringing up a couple of questions concerned in the story Now first of all as you said before dwayne walton was a ufo buff And just before the abduction abc aired a tv movie called the ufo incident Which told the story of betty in barney hill which our listeners are already familiar with of course And coincidentally if you'll remember betty and barney hill were also accused of taking their story from a tv show In their case. It was an episode of the outer limits. It's just

People just watch sci-fi god damn it. They just watch sci-fi and also perhaps quote unquote Coincidentally the aliens described by travis walton sounded Suspiciously similar to how the aliens were portrayed in the betty and barney movie Even the way he described how the aliens blinked seemed to be taken straight from the program Well, now I think I'm on the side of class That's it. That's all it takes for you. I heard they watched the movie about betty and barney hill and the aliens were the exact same But I don't know if they actually I don't think that they showed them the aliens in the movie I believe they just described them

So Yeah Go fuck yourself All right, I'm investigated Not yet. You haven't had you don't have your lanyard yet. So god damn it The thing is about class that I really don't agree with is that his A motive the motivation that he says that all these guys had just doesn't add up It's not it's not a big enough motivation to go through all this trouble class's big sticking point

It's log related Of course They're loggers now class's contention was that the entire story was concocted So mike rogers could weasel out of the logging contract He and his men were working on during the abduction. That was the whole motivation They're weaseling out of contracts beginning to end. Yeah, it's but they were basically saying but he would not have gotten the money Anyway, it's not that much money It was this weird ass thing about because it was he would have to pay a penalty fee for not finishing a job on time

Which makes no sense because they wanted to say it was an act of god that this this UFO showed up And they would play off this whole insurance scam, which is so complicated I did hear this travis walton guy forged some checks when he was 16 and I did also here He was an intravenous drug user. I want to clothesline you That's what I heard No, really there are four possibilities here one All this happened as a physical event more or less how the guys say it did

two All this happened as a psychic or hallucinatory event more or less how the men perceived it to be Yes Three it was a total hoax or four It was a partial hoax that only a couple of them were in on The partial hoax theory says that mic rogers and travis walton ordered a fake UFO from the back of a comic book

And put on an expert level light show with stunts just to avoid a penalty fee for extending their deadline Oh, I want number four to be real. Yeah, it would be honestly. It's the cutest one Yeah, it's the best because it shows that they just wanted to perform. You know, I mean, it's the cute It's heavily, but I don't know and you know what as it is with every single one of these stories We'll never know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We'll never know. I know. I tell you what I do know What do you know? What do you know? I know I just know

I just know that's the story that is the travis walton experience. That is the fire in the sky Yes, and my goodness now. I'm reminded. I have to go rewatch that movie that movie horrified me when I was a kid It get it has a bit of a slow start. Oh, yeah, but the acting is it's like every character actor You like from the 90s is somehow in that movie. Yep. It's everyone from the tv show wings. Yes Yes, I will honestly do think that someone from wings is on it henry thomas From et which is actually what a part of the reason why I was named henry thomas except for the fact that i'm a junior But my mom was always, uh, loved henry thomas the actor. Yep. Yeah, henry thomas from et is in it Uh db cooper's in it

Very no db sweeney. Excuse me db cooper is a different kind of person That's another mystery that we should get into at some point. That's another that's another big that is Uh henry, uh, so that's it. So that's the fire in the sky story. Unbelievable. Very educational. Very fun. Yeah Um, henry, I wanted to ask your mother. We've all learned a lot How excited is your mom for the new show called young sheldon? Uh the spin-off from the big bang theory Oh my god My mom must be just so excited me like and to think it's like what I looked at him She's been like, well, I can't even believe he was ever a child

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