Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 285: Norwegian Black Metal Part I - Chainsaw Gutsfuck
Episode Date: September 11, 2017Join us on the first episode of this series as we explore the world of Norwegian Black Metal, including a short history of the genre, its roots in Norse mythology, and the first death that would be th...e harbinger of the murders and church burnings to come. Exotic Battle Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Galway Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creative
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There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left.
That's when the cannibalism started.
What was that?
We're looking for a new lead singer in our band, Chubby Boys. You are the perfect man.
I can only be on your band if you spell boys with two eyes and a Z.
Can I please come into your band? I tell you, I have the most absolutely ferocious voice in all of Norway.
Let's hear another sample, please.
I still want to hear the sonder of Odin's hooves, as if they just tramples their vape through the studio.
Are you ready to hear the yapping of the many wolves and the hawks that come from my fingers?
Here we go.
I don't want two, three, four.
Welcome to the last podcast. On the left, everyone, I am Per Jitzel. That's Marcus Parks in Los Angeles.
We have Death Metal, Henry Soprowski, Black Metal, rather.
It is difficult.
It is extremely difficult. That's what we're talking about today. It's Norwegian Black Metal Part One.
This is a whole series. I have to say, full disclosure, I could not tell any of these bands apart.
They all look like the girl in the well from the movie The Ring. They have long hair. They look like they've been weeping and just sitting in water for a long time.
It sounds like you're living in a nuclear warhead. I don't know what this music is.
You haven't spent a long enough time with it. I've been listening to it for the last five days straight since we started working on the episode.
Again, I think Marcus is going to bring this up in the show. I'm a heavy metal fan. I'm pretty casual, but I like traditional thrash metal.
I like Metallica, the stuff that you get at the record store. Now that I'm starting to listen to it, I fucking love it.
You go past that lip. If you listen to it long enough, now I can pick them out.
I'm like, oh, okay, that's Bathory. That's Mayhem.
Bursam is the one that sounds like a nerd taking his pants off.
It does sound like a big fat man slowly revealing his asshole while that ominous music plays in the background.
So is it fair to say we won't be getting into Third Eye Blind in this episode? Is that right?
Third Eye Blind will be largely ignored during this series.
Well, the early 90s Norwegian black metal scene is among the most notorious in music history.
From 1991 to 1993, this small corner of the music world produced murder, suicide, arson, and some of the best music of the metal genre.
I have a question. Would you equate the black metal scene to like the East Coast, West Coast rap battles of the early 90s?
You know, I was thinking that, and I think the only reason I didn't get as much press is because these guys look like human marshmallows with eyes.
Skinny marshmallow. Skinny marshmallows. Yeah, they're just soft.
I think there's a Simpsons episode where they go into a different dimension and homework can just be poked through.
They look like they have bodies like that.
They don't look like the arm from Twin Peaks, the return.
These guys are very specific, right? But they were huge in Norway. In Scandinavia, in Europe, the black metal controversies were massive.
They were all over the place. They were all over the tabloids. We just didn't get them as much because normal metal in the US was seen as very evil.
So when we were seeing them, that stuff was just forbidden. We didn't get half that black metal stuff unless you were a huge, huge fan, right, Marcus?
Well, black metal never really took hold in America. Of course, plenty of black metal fans and a lot of black metal bands.
We met an awesome black metal band in North Carolina just this weekend. Hello, how are you doing, boys?
They gave us a vial of their blood. Yeah, it's in my office. And you guys kept it. I thought that was interesting.
Marcus kept it. You should have seen it because the security guy was right next to me and he's like, man, you gotta check this out.
It's a vial of my fucking blood. My girlfriend's been keeping it for a year. And the security officer's next to me and he's like, do you want me to, like, wail on him?
Amazing security at the North Carolina. And they were not needed because the people were wonderful.
Absolutely not. The black metal dudes were awesome. I made friends.
Yeah, but it never really took hold in America like it took hold in Europe. And like you said, you know, like in the early 90s, we were more concerned of Tupac and Biggie.
Tupac, Biggie. What was Kurt Cobain up to? And of course, the Satanic Panic, which we've talked about on a regular basis.
When we do the West Memphis Three, we'll get more into that too.
Yeah, we never really got into black metal because nobody was listening to black metal in America at the time.
Now, first off, this episode would not be possible without the fantastic book, Lords of Chaos by Michael Moynihan and Dietrich Südlund.
It's so good. It's great. It's so fucking good.
And I know some people take issue with this book's veracity, but I couldn't really find specifically what it was that people took issue with.
The only person that I could really see that had a lot to say about this book, as far as what's true and what's not, is Varg Vikernis, who is not the most trustworthy of people in the first place.
Why not?
He always has a thing to say. He always has something to say. He's constantly running his fucking mouth. He's somewhere between the Snowden slash Timothy McVeigh of the black metal scene.
He loves to talk.
So he's a sociopathic leaker? Is that what's happening?
I'd say he's a leaker. And he was pants because he's peeing his pants.
But he's always full of it. I think what you make a good observation here is that this whole shit was done by teenagers.
This is all kids in their late teens, early 20s. This is a music scene for fuck's sake. If there is any place for rumor, misremembering things, it is a music scene involving a bunch of children.
So you don't want to put them on the stand. So if you're a prosecutor and you find out that the only people that you have to call to the stand are metalheads, just leave them at home.
Well, it all depends on the metalheads.
But also in the black metal scene, I could just always imagine the face of the cops talking to each one of these guys and just the miles of eye-rolling.
If you could just put together the inches of eye-rolling together, it would go to the moon and back.
And we're also going to say this right up top. We know that some people take metal and specifically black metal very seriously.
In fact, one of the things the early black metal scene was proud of is that they never, ever laughed.
That's kind of fun.
That's sad. They don't laugh. They do the, like, it has to be a rueful snort.
It's the only thing a black metal will use.
No laughing allowed.
Personally, I am a very casual metal fan, or at least casual compared to people like our good friend and mod of the snake pit.
Our Facebook group has become Lupe Rodriguez, who I want to thank for all of his help on this episode.
I've been texting Lupe almost damn near every night, bothering the shit out of him, asking him everything that he knows about black metal and where to go.
So Lupe has been invaluable during this episode.
You're telling me if they watched a Gallagher special, they wouldn't crack a smile.
Are you going to tell me that? Because I do not believe that's true. This is Norway.
Come on. Him sitting on that big couch, when he's got the roller skates on the trampoline, Europeans love that dumb shit.
They love it.
They love all of that. That's silly.
And when he did the world map, but using food to represent the cities and states.
Oh my God.
But nevertheless, even though we are pretty casual fans, we're still going to give it our best shot to try to do it all justice.
Let's start with just how vast the genre of metal is and why black metal in particular is of a special breed.
This is my new fucking riff for the day.
I just pictured the women leaving me in seventh grade.
Yeah, I guess like the...
It's more like...
Man, it's fucking good.
If a treadmill could scream when I was on it, that's what it would sound like.
Let's go through some of the subgenres of metal.
And I'm going to put this up top.
If any of you fuckers out there manages to mix any of these subgenres in front of an actual metal fan, you will get jackknife.
They take these subgenres very seriously.
Yeah, I've learned a lot about this.
And I'm sure we're going to get plenty of tweets about it.
Well, actually, I would say that Golgoroth is more death metal than back metal.
But you can really just say whatever you want about it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I kind of agree with that troll there.
Golgoroth is a lot more like whatever else you said.
And not like the other thing you said.
Death metal is essentially the over-the-top slasher movie of the subgenre with songs like regurgitation of giblets and malignant defecation by carcass.
Have they just been sitting like with a camera in my bathroom?
Is that how they name these songs?
Why did the American Medical Association adopt these terms?
Forget choking and CPR. It's the regurgitation of giblets and the malignant defecation.
If you are a little bound up, we've got just the thing for you.
It'll give you malignant defecation.
Unfortunately, Mr. Anderson, please sit down.
Is that your wife, ma'am?
I'm going to need to ask you to leave the room.
This isn't good.
I'm sorry.
You have stage four malignant defecation.
You're going to lighten it up a little bit with a joke or something.
No, no, no. I don't laugh. I'm a black metal doctor.
God damn it. Why did we come to you?
And then you've got blunt force castration and submerged in boiling flesh by cannibal corpse.
What's that one about?
I think submerged in boiling flesh technically means he went to Six Flags and he forgot his sunblock.
So he's just burnt and second-degree burnt.
I just think about scenes from the documentary for Unit 731.
Oh yeah.
Oh my goodness. They did that in real life.
Oh yeah, man.
Yes.
Now interestingly, Death Metal has two main points of origin.
Stockholm, Sweden, which makes sense, and Tampa, Florida.
Good luck, Tampa. I hope Tampa's doing okay.
My family's just sitting there like your family kissle.
You're waiting for this hurricane just hoping that Odin shows up and saves them.
I will say my parents, they're in Fort Lauderdale.
My brother and his husband there as well are future husband, and they are cocky right now.
Aren't they?
Didn't they send you a picture of your brother's fiance wearing a clown suit on the beach?
On the beach.
And I said, what?
It was so horrifying, more horrifying than this new Pennywise.
Is he getting paid to do, yeah, viral marketing for it?
I don't know.
And then my brother-in-law or future brother-in-law was just like, just wanted to ease the tension.
It's one of the most horrifying pictures I've ever seen.
Anyway, yes, we're with you, the people of Florida. We love you.
And then there's Doom Metal with bands like Witchfinder General and St. Vitus, which are
local metal venue here in Greenpoint, is presumably named after.
Hello, St. Vitus.
We love you very much.
Oh, absolutely.
And we'll be back very soon. I love St. Vitus.
Then there's Falk Metal, a personal favorite of mine, with bands like Fintroll and Torrisas,
which also has the subgenre of Pirate Metal with bands like Ale Storm and Swashbuck.
I don't like pirates.
It's fun.
I don't like pirates. I don't like pirate-themed things. I didn't do good in Tampa when they
did the whole, they have a pirate festival. I've never enjoyed pirate lexicon or any of
that.
The whole Tampa, the whole narrative is about pirates. You got the buccaneers, the Tampa Bay
buccaneers.
Cubans built that city.
Yeah, but Cubans did.
To honor the pirates.
Dog meat, what does Fintroll and Torrisas sound like? What does Falk Metal sound like?
Or does it sound like?
Okay.
Or like leaderhost in fitting music.
But there's a lot of like...
I like it.
I went and saw, what is it, Pagan Fest at BB King's a few years ago with my friend Megan.
Actually, yeah, Torrisas played that along with a couple other Falk Metal bands. It was
super fucking fun.
It's really fun to watch a lot of it.
They did a Pagan Fest at BB King's?
I can imagine there was a lot of very intrigued customers when they walked into BB King's jazz
club when it was Pagan Fest.
Oh, no, dear. I thought it said Pagan Fest.
Oh, I think I'm getting my defecation problem back.
Oh, this is a stage niner when they've been defecation.
Then there's Grindcore with Napalm Death, anal cunt and pig destroyer. I know you like
Grindcore.
I do. I went to see Napalm Death Live. They are, again, I don't understand any of the
music, and I was very disappointed in the mashing of the children these days. They don't
touch one another, which I thought was very strange. I was never allowed to mosh after
eighth grade due to my size. That was quite disappointing. We used to do a lot in sixth,
seventh grade.
It's kind of funny how it's a world based off total chaos, but somehow they managed to
regulate you out of the mosh pit. They managed to be like, we all have decided all of us
lovers of total mayhem that Kissel cannot be in.
We love mayhem, but we don't love it. That's too much mayhem. I remember the moment I stopped
mashing. I was mashing with my friends Pete, Matt, and Jared. Jared was a tiny one, and
I sent him into the bleachers. I believe he got bloody, and it was sad for him.
Then you've got Metalcore, aka Hot Topic Metal, with terrible bands like Hatebreed, Kill Switch,
Engage, Atreyu, As I Lay Dying. Metalcore is barely metal. It's emo metal, pretty much.
But we don't want to offend the listeners who might like that kind of music. I was a big
fan of Hot Topic.
Hey, I actually, I played bass in an awful Metalcore band as a freshman in college.
This is where his hate comes from. This is where his hate comes from.
His Metalcore, is that kind of like, what's it like?
Save me. Save me from the top.
It's great music to listen to when you're in a DMV line, you know, waiting to get your
driving permit, something like that.
Then you also got Speed Metal, that's your motorhead and Judas Priest, which dovetails
with Thrash Metal, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Pantera. This is pretty much the most well
known and most successful genre.
And also, it's the one genre that the guys from Black Metal, they actually, those are
the ones that they appreciate the most. All those top tier guys, they always talk about
Judas Priest, they always talk about Metallica, they talk about Motorhead and Pantera. That's
how they would meet up.
They would come from Sweden, Norway and meet up at these big bands, these big shows, and
that's where they would sell their metal in front of it, which is kind of cool about how
they have their also very strict hierarchy of who's cool and who's not.
And Priest is all, because they're like, I would much rather see a band like Priest,
something that got truly rocks, truly masculine than the political trippepants of napalm death.
They fucking hate napalm, the Black Metal guys hate napalm death, they called it trend music.
It's a little kicky, they kick their feet a lot, they're like little soccer players,
little Steve Nash's out there, who's also a basketball player, but he's very good at
soccer. I saw Motorhead and Judas Priest and it was one of the best experiences of my life,
man.
So man.
Who's the fella, oh my goodness.
Lemmy?
No, not Lemmy, Hetfield.
Rob Halford?
Oh, Halford, yeah, he comes out on a motorcycle and everything, he's driving too fast. And
I love the song break in the law, you realize what his lifestyle is like, and you know it's
about butt sex.
Yes.
He wrote it in like Utah, he's like, how do I break the law in Utah?
Meanwhile, all these truckers and bikers are like, I think it's about guns.
No, no, it's about butt sex.
It is about me just getting stabbed in my fucking plumps by a tiny man, the tiniest man I could
find, because he's metal. I also feel like Rob Halford, it's like, because what is more
metal than playing with your butthole?
Exactly.
Well, we'll actually get to that in episode two.
Oh.
And of course, let's not forget our old friend from high school, new metal with bands like
Korn, Deftones, and Slut 9.
Which we can thank them for, for the microscopic tiny bladed beard that runs along just the
chin.
Yeah.
Like an outline of your face.
I love it.
That sadly, most of these men are on the softer side, and so it just sort of looks like a thong
wrapped around their head, just like, with their fat just coming out from the bottom.
Yeah.
Matt Hardy, one of the best Tayteams of all time, the Hardy Boys.
Matt Hardy has that look, but he's a badass dude.
All right.
Yeah.
All right.
But none of them, as far as being the true distillation of evil, brutality, horror, and straight
up, self-serious goofiness, can even come close to black metal.
Now, black metal, they realized very beginning that they have to be actually evil.
Yeah.
In order to really make their mark, they have to go out there, and they have to, they have
to make an impression.
They got it.
They got to chain some shit around.
They got to bring some heat to themselves.
Yeah.
Right.
There are two distinct eras of black metal.
The first way being Venom, Bathory, and Hellhammer, with Bersam, Emperor, Dark Throne, and of course
the focus of this series, Mayhem, coming in the second wave.
It's very fun, yet nerdy names.
It's so nerdy.
Okay.
Oh, we are going to get into the nerdiest of this.
Bersam is it, we're going to get into Vargviker, Vargviker-ness?
Vikr, Vikr-ness.
It's either Vikr-ness or Vikr-ness.
I think Vargviker-ness probably makes more sense.
Vargviker-ness is the nerdiest man to ever play.
Really?
And he takes Lord of the Rings to be completely factually true.
Yeah.
Like, because the way he, he spins it.
He has a whole viewpoint where he spins it into North Myth, and he has like a whole thing.
It's very, it's very interesting.
And nerdy.
And Vargviker-ness also sounds like he should have gone into playing political satire music
on the piano.
That's a fun, a Vargviker-ness, talking about Gerald Ford.
Now, Black Metal would arguably not exist without an English band called Venom, who
coined the term Black Metal in their 1982 album of the same name.
Now, Venom were among the first to use overt, no room for interpretation, satanic imagery.
But the thing is, with Venom, is none of them took it seriously.
They had the pentagrams, the goats, and fucking awesome songs with titles like In League with
Satan.
But these are mostly just like rock and rollers who like theatrics, and they just thought
the Satan stuff was fun.
They were just having fun with it.
They're so much, honestly, they're great.
They're really great.
They're, they're a lot of fun.
It's very like AC DC, if it was like totally about Satan.
Yeah.
They have a, they have a whole Black Mass album, but they were just doing it to get late.
Yeah.
And of course, you have to give the kids something that'll anger their parents, and what angers
parents more than satanic imagery.
Oh, without a doubt, man.
But nevertheless, even though they didn't take it seriously, Venom laid down the foundations
of the Black Metal aesthetic.
Extreme opposition to anything Judeo-Christian except Satan.
Good.
Almost constant blasphemy and absolutely ridiculous theatrics.
For example, the names.
The guys in Venom.
Their real names were Jeff, Tony, and Conrad.
Oh my God.
They sound like a bowling team.
Yes.
Yes.
They sound like the three guys at IT that you don't talk to.
They, when you go past them, they stop talking when you go past the door because they're
saying something weird in there.
Yeah.
The guys at the desk who are just violently head banging while they insert data into an
Excel sheet.
But on stage, Venom were Chronos, Mantis, and Abaddon.
They don't sound like a bowling team at all.
No, man.
It's like two real dog meat, the truth.
Wow.
Man.
That's much cooler.
And that is, you know, that's a lot of fun.
But the Black Metal guys took it all seriously.
When one Norwegian Black Metal musician was confronted with the fact that Venom openly
said on multiple occasions that the whole thing was just an act for entertainment purposes
only, the Black Metalers said, quote,
We choose to believe otherwise.
So it's basically everyone who listens to Info Wars and takes Alex Jones seriously.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's one of the magical properties of choosing a name.
Obviously, I think that if you really do believe, like a lot of these guys did, like
Varg Vikernis did believe, which is that they are performing ritual magic, the part
of it is you don a persona.
You come up with a new guy and then that guy becomes your avatar to do magic work through.
Yeah.
In no world does anyone of them want to go see Jeff Tony in Conrad.
That's not happening.
The seats are empty.
They're just eating all the cheese for pay.
So after Venom came merciful fate, fronted by the wonderful soul that is King Diamond.
Yeah.
Yes.
Hell, King Diamond.
Diamond took the theatrics a step further, attaching two human leg bones tied together
in an upside down cross to his mic for live shows.
Have you ever seen a live footage of King Diamond?
It's fucking sick.
I also can't, I can't imagine anyone being like, there's no way this isn't serious.
This is deadly serious.
It's two human leg butts, of course.
How do you get those leg bones?
There's just a poor girl in the back sitting on ice.
Go King Diamond, go.
I'm so glad to give something back to the concert.
Now if somebody could just tie up the ends of these pants, so people could stop seeing
my stubs.
Oh, like the pinky toe of the nihilist from Big Lebowski just standing there just sitting
there like, I think I made a mistake.
At some point the mistake sets in.
So King Diamond also introduced the now almost standard black and white face paint.
But while Venom were essentially drunken good timers using the whole thing to sell records
and get laid, King Diamond actually believed in all the shit he was singing about.
And then came Bathory in Sweden, led by a man dubbed Quarthon.
Bathory introduced the atmospheric yet relentless lo-fi sound that came to typify black metal.
It's so good.
It's amazing.
It's problematic.
Yes, some of the lyrics.
It's what they talk about some shit.
But we'll cover, we'll cover the problematic nature of some of the, we'll cover that here
later.
Okay.
But before that, let's get a taste of Bathory's debut, considered by many to be the first
black metal album.
Let's listen to the first few seconds of a song called Hades.
Yes!
Yes!
It's just been me fucking all sweet.
Yeah.
That is just a very, very, very small taste.
Go listen to that entire album.
It is fantastic.
It's incredible.
You can almost visualize George Wendt as your father knocking on your door, requesting
you turn it down.
You gotta keep it, keep it down with that racket.
Dad!
I'm listening to Bathory.
What happened to your voice, son?
I don't know.
I just started singing along to the album and I sound like this now.
Good Lord, it's like Cindy Lauper after smoking an entire pack of cigarettes.
Well fun fact about Bathory, one of the founding members went on to become an extremely successful
music video director responsible for such hits as Madonna's Ray of Light and Maroon
Five's Moves Like Jagger.
Interesting.
Well thank you, not thank you.
I don't know what to, actually I kind of like Ray of Light.
You like Ray of Light by Madonna?
If you think about how fun it is to be a Ray of Light and then you're going to spread
goodness and then a whole series of other things.
It's not fun about that.
Well it's fun.
It's not fun about that.
We just listened to Bathory and you're going to say you like Ray of Light by Madonna?
This reminds me of when all of my friends bought metal records, Sepultura, Pantera and
I bought a tragic kingdom from No Doubt.
I told this story before, we put in a 3 CD changer and every time a song from No Doubt
came on, they beat me up until it was done.
Yeah, of course.
Because I didn't realize that it's different.
Death of False Metal.
So it's Sepultura, who else and no?
It was Sepultura, Pantera and I was like, I'll get No Doubt.
So it's like, it's awesome music.
And then right afterwards, there's Spiderwebs.
That was a song about relationships and why didn't he call her back?
Have we thought about that?
Gavin, I'm looking at you.
She's screening her phone calls.
Yeah, that's it.
It's a whole song about just how she's screening her phone.
And Spiderwebs, which are symbolic of like, oh my god, there's so many different options.
I feel like I'm stuck in life.
You guys wouldn't understand.
I'm going to wail on you.
I'm going to get out of there, I'm going to jump through the sky, but I'm going to fucking
get dropped.
Yeah, I will say those songs could not have ended fast enough as soon as they beat the
hell out of me.
So in 1998, Bathory began to move away from Satanism and really got into Norse mythology
with the amazing album, Blood, Fire, Death.
But in addition to Satanic and Norse themes, Bathory also dipped a toe into Nazi imagery,
particularly in the song, Under the Runes.
But it's kind of how it all gets flipped towards Nazi territory, right, because Under the Runes
is supposed to be about this kind of concept, which Vargweicherdness also brings up about
burning the churches.
What he says is that what you're supposed to do, symbolically, you're burning these
things that get into the soil, because that's where our pagan roots are.
Under the Runes means where it's like in certain churches they would put runes around the sides
of the doors.
So basically, you're burning them, which was because that was supposed to just be a nod
to the old pagan culture.
Now we're going to replace it all with Christianity.
They're supposed to be about the idea of Asathru and the pantheon of Norse gods and all that
shit.
But the thing is, is that as soon as the Nazis use it, you can't get it back.
Every single time they try to use it, because they put like, it was the, I forget what it
was, the tri-hammers.
It was some kind of symbol that they used.
Yeah.
They were using hammers that was like a thing that the Nazis used, and then they used that
and just like, you know, they just ruined it.
I'm sorry, man.
Well, I mean, the Nazi branding was more powerful than Christianity, because you associate swastikas
now obviously with them as opposed to the original purpose.
Absolutely.
Now, one of the things we know about black metal is that it's got a hell of a Nazi problem,
both in its past and currently, but so does every extreme music genre of the last 40 years.
Neil Young doesn't.
He's not extreme.
He's not extreme.
He's extreme.
He's not extreme.
I'm not going to talk.
I don't want to talk too much on this.
He needs to fucking made because his house is filthy.
Have you listened to man needs to make literally it's a song about him being too lazy to clean
his own apartment.
Yeah.
That's really extreme, man.
It's extreme.
Honestly, the maid, every man needs it made.
I started realizing it's about like a dude being mad at women.
He's mad at women.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
I don't know if he's really trying to make a point with that.
I think he's just mad at women.
He didn't go through the Yellow Pages to get a maid.
He wrote a song about it.
That's extreme.
Well, I mean, talking about extreme genres of music, dabbling around with Nazi stuff,
back in the 70s, the punks both in New York and England regularly used Nazi imagery to
piss off the general public for whom World War II, especially in England, was a very
real memory and a very recent memory.
They use these images because they want to be as scary as humanly possible.
The whole point is to piss people off.
And so they use the thing what makes people really mad.
That's what they do.
So it's like, Nazi shit makes people mad.
So they use it.
And now it's like, well, but the problem is that they were really, really bad.
Yeah.
And so now you're just bad now and it's not a good bad.
It's not helping you sell records bad.
We kind of help the sex pistols to sell records because that was one of the things that really
pissed people off.
But I'm like, Sid Vicious loved his swastika t-shirt.
And it was either Johnny, I can't remember which one, it was either Johnny or D.D. Ramon,
probably Johnny, who had a full collection of SS uniforms that he used to wear around
New York City.
And he used to suck dick for money.
Now that D.D. used to suck dick for money.
Don't confuse it.
Trust me, D.D. and Johnny Ramon are two very different people.
Just go read, please kill me for more information about that.
What a fun title that is.
Oh yeah.
It's wearing a swastika in England during that time is equivalent to wearing a margarine
shirt in Wisconsin.
That's a fun joke.
That's a fun joke.
What is wrong with you?
It's a mark because it's Butter Town.
It's a Butter State.
Are you writing for Reader's Digest?
I've got a big headlining update.
I've got a big headlining show October 20th in Ohio coming up with fits and I think that's
I got a new opener.
Kissel did not like my joke because a lot of my joke because he wanted to talk about
I forgot what it was.
I had a he was talking about some of my horses.
Oh yeah.
But like get rid of the Confederate soldiers, keep the horses as a part of the statue.
That's a funny bit.
I said, well, I thought it would be a funny bit is not the idea that we consider horses
to be athletes.
Right.
Like, you know, when seed biscuit was shows like athlete of the year, but the thing is
that like in Italy, they eat horse meat.
Right.
So that'd be like if us in America just ate LeBron, like we ate LeBron steaks and Kissel
didn't like that, that material, that source material, you know, I'm getting into black
metal and I don't I can't laugh anymore.
If I could laugh, I would laugh so hard at that hilarious bit about eating LeBron James.
Well, the point is with few exceptions, both in metal, both in black metal and in punk,
they use this stuff for shock value for fuck's sake, Joey Ramone's real name was Jeff Hyman.
Hyman.
Oh yeah.
So what about as Joey Ramone's about as Jewish as you could get most of these guys, they
weren't taking it seriously.
They weren't having rallies and meetings and printing off pamphlets.
There's a big difference between using swastikas in art and marching side by side with Nazis
of course and real and trying to spread the word about it.
I mean, these guys are using it for a very specific purpose.
They're not just doing it.
Still the problem is it's just still dumb.
It's still dumb.
Yeah.
I'm not saying it's great, but it's still dumb.
I mean, there are a bunch of kids.
That's what art does.
Art has to shake you out of the norm, otherwise you're not going to recognize it.
Which American horror story, using the circles.
Was it tryptophobia?
Is that the name of it?
A lot of people are getting upset with that, but it's like that's what art is supposed
to do.
Shock you a little bit.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, some of these guys still hold fascist, racist and homophobic beliefs to be sure,
and some of them even assume leadership roles of a sort, for example, Varg Vikernis.
But he's always the worst one of all of them.
He's obviously, we're going to get, he's fine.
He's fun though.
At the same time.
He's a nerd.
Yeah.
And I mean, in other words, some of these guys became what they pretended to be.
But the vast majority of the ones in the black metal scene who said some pretty heinous
shit, particularly Fenriz of Dark Throne, who was featured in the documentary in Tobolite
Texas, have let that shit far in the past.
But nevertheless, all of this, the Satan, the Vikings, the Nazis, would all be fused
together and taken extremely seriously by the black metal community in the early 90s
with deadly results.
Yikes.
And speaking of dead, let's get into Mayhem.
I love Mayhem.
I would say in terms of all the albums I listened to, they, all of their shit is, it's really
good.
It's really raw.
It's very like to the point where like half of it's bad, but it's kind of what they wanted.
So when you listen to a song, and I think, oh, that's a terrible song, and I'm like,
they were right.
Yeah.
I listened to them, and how do those drummers do it?
Man, it's that fucking black metal drumming and just metal drumming in particular, but
specifically black metal drumming, I do not know how they do it.
They have to be more jacked than Carl Pansrum.
Yeah.
They must be huge under that shirt.
I mean, actually, I think a lot of them are my size.
Yeah.
Some of them are really big, like Hellhammer was a pretty big dude, but a lot of them are
just like these tight, ropey, skinny fucks like me.
A lot of ladies love the drummers.
Yeah, that's right.
They do.
That's one reason.
Did you just take out your Invisalign before the show started, or?
No.
No.
Now, Mayhem, they are the fathers of the second wave of black metal, founded in 1984 by guitarist
Eustine Ersith, a.k.a.
Euronymous, a Greek name meaning prince of death.
Oh, this poor man, this poor, he is sort of a victim.
Yeah.
We'll talk about this.
He's a, he kind of, yeah.
Euronymous is, he's a pretty, he's a very interesting character, but he got in way over
his head.
Yes.
He pushed, he pushed things way too far, way past where he could handle.
Yeah.
But Euronymous, Euronymous just sounds like a kind of a scientist that works out.
It's a very like, it's not that, it doesn't seem like, you know, it doesn't have the same
like aggressiveness as Venom did.
Yeah.
Hello, Nusantri.
Thank you for coming to my laboratory.
You've handed me my beaker over there, crushed it, too strong to be a scientist, aren't I?
Now, Nusantri, remove my lab coat and what do you see?
Oh, yes.
Nothing underneath.
Where are you going?
Euronymous.
Well, Euronymous was joined by bassist Jern Stebbereud, a.k.a.
Necro Butcher and drummer Jan Axel Blomberg, a.k.a.
Hellhammer, who is one of the aforementioned people who always have been and always will
be real stain of a human being.
Hellhammer's a piece of shit.
It's a great name, though, Euronymous, Necro Butcher and Hellhammer, I mean, two out of
three pretty badass.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
But here's a clip from Mayhem's first EP, Death Crush, from the song of the same name.
I just picture the scene from Wayne's World when Garth is like, get out of my way, and
the guy's like, what do you call him, a nerd or something?
Oh, man, I love Death Crush so much.
That's so much fun.
Just picturing Henry bringing his own thymaster to the gym, just lying down.
Excuse me.
Can I have a towel?
Can I have a towel?
I just want it.
I don't want to get any of the floor mats wet or anything because I know how unhygienic
that is.
Excuse me.
Slowly moving my knees in and out.
And that EP also has one of my favorite metal song names, Chainsaw Gutsfuck.
What's that one all about?
So in 1988, Mayhem got a package from a vocalist named Peer Oenden containing a demo tape,
a letter, and a teeny little crucified mouse.
I hate that.
What did he start a podcast about serial killers and true crime, and that's the shit that
you get in the mail all the time?
Oh, yeah.
Was it a real mouse?
It was a real mouse.
I'll leave the mouse alone.
But it wasn't like taxidermied nice or anything like that.
It was a decaying, rotting mouse that was just nailed to a little cross.
Unbelievable.
You mean a great application to be in a fucking black metal band?
Yeah, I guess so.
And he got in too.
No kidding.
Yeah, he joined the band as a vocalist and took on the pseudonym dead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a little on the nose, isn't it?
Yeah.
Well, the reason why he called himself dead was because he actually believed that he
was dead.
He believed that he had died as a child and was still somehow on this earth living as
he said in a dream that he would soon wake up.
The only things that I can hope for is that one day I wake up in the bedroom of a nobleman
as a beautiful nude illuminated boy because deep inside of me somewhere, that is what
I'm trying to find this in my music is the wonderful innocent nude illuminated boy that
is on side every mine.
Your name is dead.
It's pronounced deed.
Oh, it's speculated that dead actually suffered from Cotard syndrome.
What's that?
It's the same mental illness that Richard J. suffered from.
Really?
I don't remember Cotard syndrome from.
That's the one that drove Richard Chase to drink the blood of his victims in order to
replace his own.
Can you imagine though if Richard Chase actually learned how to play an instrument?
Hey everyone, welcome to my show.
I go through a lot of horses in a day to day, I don't know if I can tell but my eyeballs
are backwards.
Did you guys make me feel good?
You guys make me feel at home.
This is the best.
One, two, three, four, I am Mickey Mouse, he's my friend.
Totally, totally at home, totally fine.
I love it.
Now this belief of dad that he was dead of course led him to be obsessed with death in
all its forms.
He carried around a dead crow in a plastic bag and would sniff it before a show so he
could sing quote with the stench of death in his nostrils.
It's just so lame, that is so corny, it's super, these guys are corny as fuck.
They all said the same shit about how like everyone would ask me like so what was dead
like in person and all the people in mayhem would be like dad was very depressed.
He loved Transylvania and he yearned for the peace of the coffin because that is what
his whole thing was is that he was a vampire and that he was also a werewolf and he would
just draw the, his drawings are actually pretty sweet.
They are.
They would be like dark, they are very very dark but they always just be like dead is
depressed and it cuts you whole movie of him just dancing in a field with like cause he
had long beautiful Swedish hair, like he just looks like, he looks like a beautiful woman
from behind and then when you flip him around he's just a horrible gross skinny Marcus body
man.
Sniffing a dead crow, what is going on with this guy?
He would also bury his clothes days before a show and then dig him up on the night of
to get both the look and smell of being buried under the earth.
Okay.
Yeah.
Very committed.
I give him credit for that.
Yeah and one time he even asked his bandmates to bury him alive so he could get the paleness
of a corpse.
Could he just use makeup?
Yeah that's what he ended up doing because his friends would not bury him alive.
Yeah cause he's not David Blaine, he's not Copperfield, he's never gonna come back.
So he did use makeup and he became the originator of the infamous black metal corpse paint
that is as much of a tradition in the scene as band logos that are impossible to read.
A corpse paint is exactly what it sounds like.
It is an exaggerated use of black and white face paint to make one look like what else?
A corpse.
And here's where things get really interesting in the history of black metal, specifically
in Norway.
Whether on purpose or not, a lot of the traditions in black metal have very real cultural roots
in Norse mythology, specifically in a legend called the Wild Hunt.
The Wild Hunt!
Yeah what's the Wild Hunt all about?
The Wild Hunt known in the native tongue as the Urskarae, or Harbingers of Doom, a gang
of dead souls led by Voden that rode through the night sky, sometimes flying down from
the clouds to kidnap innocents, to take them away to the underworld, causing mass destruction
and mischief upon the way.
Come get me, Woden, come get me, huh, tongue out emoji, hey, sorry, I'm so random, come
get me, Woden, take me with you, please.
But what I do like is that this is the Odin in a certain form, as the soul bringer and
the king of dark souls.
What you start to find out is that Odin in mythology is kind of like Bugs Bunny, where
he takes on personas, like sort of shit, where he's like a chieftain, one with the
bunny was the best you could come up with to compare him to, no, he's got me hooked
here, I'm interested to see where this goes.
I'm educating, I'm educating, but it's like he did, he would take on roles to play certain
facets of the Godhead, where it's like the idea of like the wisdom bringer, each one
caused pain to him, where he would like pluck out his eyes, he became a woman and was fucked,
and he said is this, he'd also do the thing that was like anti, the idea of other Norse
Gods, where he would perform female magic, which was, it's all about duality, which also
then harkens back the Satanism again, which they use, because the idea of using the Baphomet
sigil, the original idea of like the man, woman, you know, living, dead, duality that
all of his shit's supposed to represent.
So if Bugs Bunny is Odin, is Elmer Fudd, this fella here, the fella that we're talking about?
Which fella?
Dad?
I forgot his name, because it's like not, it's a concept, not a name.
Yeah, and Henry, you mentioned the Satanism just a little bit, is it really the Satanism
that these guys perform that they subscribe to?
It was not Leveon Satanism, and in fact, they fucking hated Leveon Satanism, they despised
any sort of humanist concept, these guys were into medieval Satanism.
From my understanding, it doesn't seem like anyone likes Anton Leveon.
I think it's fun.
But the official church of Satan doesn't like him.
Well, it's because they got too serious.
He even just said, someone literally just tweeted a quote at me saying that a good musician
has to have a sense of humor, because if not, that they're too pretentious to be a good
magician.
Like you have to, like, the Anton Leve was, he sold it, he was the salesman of Satanism.
I see, alright.
Well back to the Wild Hunt, they would destroy roofs, clog chimneys, nail door shut, and
according to an article reprinted in Lords of Chaos about the similarities between Black
Metal and the Wild Hunt, they would lock up the he-goat in the kitchen.
What does that mean?
I don't know.
What's a he-goat?
I think it's just a goat.
I actually think it's a good new term for saying you're flies down.
Yeah.
You better lock up that he-goat.
That's where the goat wants to be.
The goat wants to be in the kitchen, and that's mischievous, Ben.
Isn't that interesting.
Can you imagine being the poor parents of these kids going down at midnight to try to get
some milk?
Because you get a damn stomach ache and you see the goat and they're like, they did the
he-goat.
They did the he-goat trick again, Barb.
Good Lord, I knew we should have never had him.
No, the Wild Hunt were of course fueled by alcohol and would raid beer stashes, empty
in the kegs, and leaving them filled with either their own urine or what sounds like
massive quantities of horse piss.
Yeah, they're the Trideltz.
They're fucking animals.
I know.
There is something so fraternity about all of this.
And they were also said to dress themselves up like ghosts painting around their eyes
with coal just like black meddlers.
Their coming would be paired with a, quote, hellish din, with the Wild Hunt both singing
and speaking in falsetto.
I hope that none of you can sleep because we are here, just me and my horse and my dog
and my crow and my good friend, Woden, Woden, highest voice of all, I am Woden, all of you
will fall to the hands of Woden.
Yep, and that correlates perfectly with the first time the sentence was ever uttered in
Norway, get off my lawn, get off my lawn.
It could be argued that black meddlers trademark screeching vocals are a falsetto of a sort.
I'm not screeching, I'm singing, this is just you're being racist because this is my accent.
Sounds painful.
And just like in black meddlet, the Wild Hunt rarely ever used their real names and they
were all said to be between 15 and 25, the same age range as the Norwegian black meddlet
scene in the early 90s.
But most strikingly, the aim of the Wild Hunt in Norway was to punish people who violated
Norse tradition, but we'll get more into that later when we get to the church burdens.
Now it could be that this, as is pointed out in Lords of Chaos, is some sort of like Jungian
cultural memory the black meddlers were essentially drawing from a collective unconsciousness
to recreate legends of the past unbeknownst to them.
But it could also be that they just read a fucking book, thought this whole thing was
cool and drew inspiration from it.
But these guys were really book readers.
Euronymous maybe was a little closer to a researcher.
It's really Varg Vikernis that brought the idea of being a Nordic scholar into metal,
it seems like, because he went really deep.
He went super deep, but he was the first one to go super deep, and this should have been
already been going on for a while by the time Varg showed us.
Yeah, and dead just took the corpse pain.
It sounds like they said they talked about it like it was kiss, because they loved kiss,
and so they were like, they were like, we should do something.
Yeah, actually, I heard it, but that's the thing is that there's always contradictions,
because I read an interview yesterday that said that the exact opposite, that he wasn't
trying to look like kiss, that he was trying to actually look like a corpse.
Interesting.
Because Dead was very serious.
He was.
That's kind of what kiss was trying to look like, wasn't it?
Like corpses?
No, they were trying to look like kitty cats.
But that's fun!
Yeah.
They were trying to up the theatrics.
Yes.
Because one was a star man, and the other one had a long tongue.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
So pre-Dead, Mayhem was mostly concerned with death, violence, and having quote, a fucking
good time.
Cool.
But it seems like when Dead joined, things got a little more serious and a little darker.
It was like when I joined last podcast on the left in the third episode.
Actually, they just kind of liked that.
Well, they didn't get more serious.
Yeah, more deep, more real.
Yeah.
Could be.
Alright.
No.
Now, at one show, Dead broke a beer bottle halfway through and cut his arm so deep he
made himself sick from blood loss, but still finished the show.
Good for him.
Gushing blood, and when they took him to the hospital after, he was told it was too late
for stitches.
So he just got a fucking badass scar.
So they literally partied around him, and they after-party while Dead sat on a couch
saying like, I wish I could have a good time, but I don't feel good.
And they're like, no, you don't feel good, man, you fucking cut your-slash your fucking
wrists tonight.
And he's like, it was metal, but like, this is kind of the consequences of your actions,
man.
And he's just like, does somebody blow like some weed like at me, man?
Also, like, I have a weed test coming soon for my work at McCracken's, which is the
Norwegian version of McDonald's.
Oh, I love it.
You know, Mick Foley used to do this every single night, though, and he never complained
once.
But the thing was, is that this was not an in-the-moment thing.
This wasn't a super in-the-moment.
Oh, he pre-planned this?
Oh, he not only pre-planned it, he was backstage before the show jabbered about it like, I'm
going to cut myself tonight.
Just watch me.
Just watch me.
Just fucking do it, Dead.
Just fucking do it.
If you're going to talk about it so much.
Just fucking do it.
He's like, fine, I will do it.
I will do it.
But everybody showed it, because he would talk about how like, Mayhem played maybe six
shows.
Somewhere on there.
That's it?
Yeah.
Really?
Yes.
A lot of these black metal guys didn't play live shows.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, because there wasn't enough of a scene.
So you talk about, these are, well, you would talk about like, because all the people in
the documentary and Total Light takes us, that talks about this night, they were talking
about, they were like, we all knew.
The whole metal scene knew that Dead was going to cut himself.
And we knew, and we tried to stop him.
But he said he wanted to see people's reactions when his blood was spilled onto the stage.
And it was 25 people.
Wow.
They all showed up, all saying the same shit, standing with Dead, because I've done comedy
shows like this.
Of course.
And I was in the black metal version of comedy when it came to Murder Fist.
That's what we were.
And so I remember being half the crowd of a show, 10 deep, like just sitting there and
we're all being like, we're going to cover each other like liquid fake shit tonight.
And I would just be like, yeah, man, cool.
Yeah.
And it's like, you walk, all right.
All right.
See you at the show.
Yeah.
Cool, man.
See you at the show.
You walk five feet forward.
You're on stage.
You're on stage.
As soon as the sketch is done, you're like, and now I've got to be an audience member.
So you rush back to watch the sketch and then you come.
That's exactly what comedy is starting out for the first 20 years or so.
Yeah.
Somewhere around there.
Now, Mayhem shows, even though they only played a few and even though there really weren't
that many people at them, they were the stuff of legend.
They would use decayed pigs heads on stakes that they bought from the local butcher to
line the front of the stage.
And a lot of times the band would start the show by throwing a big pig head in the middle
of the crowd, which usually caused them to lose about half their audience.
Yeah, immediate.
There was actually, there was a band that shouldn't be there, man.
They can't fucking use shit.
Don't be there.
Fucking leave it.
Yeah, that's what they said.
They said, if they can't handle the pigs heads, they can't handle Mayhem.
So just sort of the fucking pigs at odds.
Well, I guess they can't handle being in a butcher shop either.
I mean, it's, you know, I think it would be scarier if they beheaded the pig out live
on stage or something.
Yeah.
There was a band, I believe you saw it, didn't you, Marcus?
Maybe Holden saw it from the round table of gentlemen in Wizard and the Bruiser that
played at Brooklyn Bowl and they had a huge vat of pigs blood and they kind of threw it
or I don't know what it was on.
It was on some sort of string and the entire crowd left and I think the health department
shut down the show.
I don't know if it was Brooklyn Bowl.
I think that might have been Irving Plaza.
It was here.
It was a venue in Brooklyn.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was it.
Well, yeah.
So yeah, I would say that was pretty recent.
It was gutter, it was gutter as a matter of fact, which is also a bowling alley bar here
in Brooklyn.
But yes, people got very upset.
They got very upset.
They had a restaurant.
Yes.
And it was also a restaurant.
That's right.
It was a big blood.
I get being total metal.
All right.
We used to throw raw chickens into the audience.
We thought it was funny.
You know what I mean?
But people are going to leave.
They're sitting there trying to eat chips and salsa.
You can't have big blood everywhere because I remember seeing tweets about it.
People would be like, man, really sad that they had to cancel.
Forget the name of that band.
There's like so how they had to cancel that show tonight, man.
I was really looking forward to seeing tomorrow.
I guess they got pig blood all over the chef's area and it was like all these sad metal heads.
I guess they really should have kept it towards the stage.
Yeah.
In real life.
It sounds cool.
It sounds like GGL.
And I would never, ever want to see GGL in real life.
But I like the story.
Yeah.
It was a black metal band.
Yes.
It was Wattain.
Yeah.
Who is fucking awesome too.
Yeah.
I'd recommend getting into them.
But yeah.
They threw pigs blood and what else did they throw?
I think they had.
See, that's the difference.
Oh, that's what it was.
They threw a goat skull full of pigs blood out into the audience, which sounds awesome.
And knowing the hipsters in Williamsburg, it is good again to snap them out of the reality.
Yeah.
Listen, listen.
We've all had a very fun time tonight.
Haven't we raised hell for the devil himself?
Can we get the goat's head back?
I only have one.
And we need it for tomorrow night's show.
We're going on tour to Charlotte, South Carolina.
Where do they get all the goat's blood?
That's what I want to know.
Oh, you just go to a butcher, man.
You can get blood from a butcher.
You go to a butcher and you ask them for a bunch of blood.
He'll give it to you.
All right.
Yeah.
Butchers will sell anything.
They'll do anything to make a buck.
Good people.
But you know, the guys that were at the Mayhem shows when they were throwing these pigs head
out into the crowd, they absolutely loved it.
In fact, one idiot that was trying to be more metal than the rest of them, he took a huge
bite out of one of the raw, decayed pigs heads.
But of course, it just made him violently ill.
Yes, you're a person.
You're just a human biological being.
There's so much time in the black metal scene, seems to be spent by guys holding your stomach,
just going like, I just don't like feel good, you know, I don't feel, I'm like sick like
all the time.
And I think it's like, it's fucking four Celsius outs.
I don't even know how what temperature that is to this fucking cold as shit out here.
It never stops raining.
I chewed on a pig's head last night, but was I even thinking I got to go into the office
tomorrow.
That's probably what gives them malignant defecation.
Perhaps that's how they come up with all the names of these songs.
They just eat rotten foods and they're like, I've got one called regurgitation of the
giblets.
How'd you come up with that name?
I regurgitated giblets.
It's all just from hanging out in green rooms before the show.
They're just like Adam Richmond for man versus food, the metal edition.
I'll eat the skull.
But it all came to an end in 1991 when dad stuck a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the
trigger.
He was too fragile for this world.
He's definitely the Kurt Cobain of the black metal scene.
And besides just literally because he committed suicide, he is like that because he fucking
kicked off this whole, that he was like the rock star of the black metal scene.
Okay.
Yeah, he's one of the few guys in the black metal scene that nobody has a bad word to
say about.
Dead?
Yeah, dead.
Really?
Yeah, usually these guys talk so much shit about it.
They talk so much childish, childish little girl shit about each other constantly behind
the back, like he's not as metal as he says he is.
But dead is the only one that pretty much universally everyone says this guy was the
real fucking deal.
They're like radio DJs with no actual content.
They just pick fights with one another and then that's the whole reality show aspect
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So the story goes is that Euronymous, the guitarist, came home to the house where May
him all lived and found the door was locked and since they inexplicably only had one key
between them, Euronymous crawled in through the only open window, the one leading into
dead's room.
No, I remember when I lived with Eddie in Tallahassee, we lived in an apartment that
the roommate before I moved in had destroyed the lock in the door because he was drunk,
had lost his keys and so he kicked in the doorknob, right?
So the door never worked and we never wanted to tell the manager to come fix the door because
we were selling weed out of there and we didn't want the manager to come around.
So we just left that door unlocked, broken, but we had a stool in front of it.
So our system was if the stool got knocked over we know somebody came in the house and
so one night, but also Eddie for a while had kept an AK-47 for show in the house when he
would do it because we used to fuck around with it because it was fun when he goes to
go shoot it and eventually he sold it when he lost everything after he got busted for
selling weed.
And so when he, when he's one time giving a lot of information away on Eddie here, I
think he's disgusting.
But yes, the door opened one time and he heard the stool go over the knockover and he's
like, hey, who's down there?
Like from upstairs where we were, cause we had a two floor apartment and he got no response.
So Eddie grabbed the AK-47, he just, he racked it and he heard, plumber, plumber's here.
Every day to be a plumber at the Larson house.
That must have been an unfortunate day all around for that poor plumber.
The Larson-Zabrowski house?
Oh my goodness.
We did real good.
The PTSD, that poor plumber.
Honey, you don't want to know what I saw today.
And when your anonymous got inside, he found dead lying on his side, slumped against the
wall with his wrist cut, a shotgun in his lap, a suicide note next to him and half his
head missing.
Geez.
Instead of freaking out or calling the police or anything a normal person might do, Euronymous
left the house, bought a disposable camera and took pictures of dead's corpse.
And these pictures were later stolen and used as the album art for a live bootleg called
Dawn of the Black Hearts, which is now generally accepted as a part of Mayhem's discography.
It sounds very, you know, invasive, but you get the feeling this is probably what dead
wanted.
Exactly what he wanted.
I think there's a part of him exactly what I wanted, and he talked about too is like,
you know, in black metal, they notoriously don't have a sense of humor, but his suicide
note was, excuse, excuses for the blood, cheers.
That was the only thing he wrote is exactly what he wanted to do.
He was very, very depressed.
He, he wanted it.
He had fantasized about it and he finally built it.
So apparently, because also it was sparked by apparently Varg had sent him bullets in
the mail.
And like, like, in a way of like, you're talking about suicide all the time, we're gonna talk
about this, but it was like, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, you know, they did have a sense
of humor, though.
They just needed a great podcast like last podcast on the left to open it up and let
them know you can laugh at the dark stuff.
It's okay.
Oh, there's plenty of guys out that black metal guys.
I mean, Lupe that we mentioned earlier, he has also the gay black metal Southerner.
Yes, it's a great character.
Yeah.
Hail Satan y'all.com.
Now, Euronymous then collected fragments of dead skull and later made them into necklaces
that he bestowed upon people in the black metal scene that he deemed quote unquote worthy.
Now, there are rumors that Euronymous kept, cooked and ate some of dead's brains, but
those rumors were probably started by Euronymous himself, who could really only think of all
the publicity the band was gonna get from the suicide when he found dead's body.
And to that end, he let rumors fly that he himself had murdered dead.
He said quote, dead killed himself, but it is okay to let people believe that I might
have done it because that will create rumors about mayhem.
You know, this is before Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, there's other ways to get exposure
now.
Understand like the one thing that black metal completely understood from the very beginning
was publicity.
Yeah.
And understanding that the rumor can do a lot of work for you.
Like the more you spread the idea of legend, which kind of actually worked to the weird
Norse background of a lot of the ideas and the music of this idea of building things
that are larger in life, things are going to stay in the test of time, create true fear.
Black metal was supposed to be something that was real.
It was supposed to like you weren't, you were supposed to walk to walk.
So the reason why also dead gets nothing but respect is because he was the only one
of these fuckers to actually kill himself.
And so when they're all like, cause that's all they wanted to do, that's what we've been
talking about in every song that he wrote the entire time about killing yourself and
killing other people.
Right.
You know, so he was the most metal Cobain Cobain esque.
And that's why we say, don't do it.
We prefer everyone living.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
If you're, if you're having suicidal thoughts or anything like that, reach out to someone,
call suicide hotline.
It's not metal.
It's not metal.
It's not.
You know, it's metal.
You know, it's more metal getting to the show.
That's an awesome thing to do.
And that's the amazing thing about some of these guys.
They seem to not really give a shit about each other who lived and who died the way they
casually talk about death would unsettle a serial killer.
But there are a few exceptions.
Basist Necro Butcher was devastated when your honest called him with the news and said,
quote, that is some, hey, hey, Necro Butcher, what's up?
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Mrs. Necro Butcher is Necro Butcher home.
I just need to talk to him on the phone.
That is done something really cool.
He killed himself and he did actually say that he said dead has done something really
cool.
And as far as the reasons why dead killed himself, Euronymous took this as an opportunity
to blow out the story even more, trying to sound real cool, but actually coming off like
a little petulant child.
This shit is pathetic.
This is his actual statement to the press.
We have declared Vaugh dead died because the Trent people have destroyed everything from
the old black metal death metal scene.
Today, quote unquote, death metal is something normal, accepted and funny arg, which is real.
I didn't even put that in it and they hate it.
Oh, it used to be spikes and chains, letters and black clothes.
And this was the only thing that live for as he hated this world and everything which
lives in it.
Hmm.
Yeah, he's a child.
So after dead suicide, Euronymous actually seemed more hyped up about the scene is ever
and opened up a record store in Oslo with his parents money called Helvetta, which is
the Norwegian word for hell.
Really?
Welcome to hell.
All of you calm.
Welcome.
Welcome to hell.
Please just.
If you would, don't put any of the spiked pants and any of these stools.
My mom still got that just it's just a down payment on there.
I have to get a couple of payments in.
Okay.
No, no, no.
Please do not put any pigs blood on any of these counters.
My mom just put this.
There was just there's a down payment only on all of these things.
I do not own these things yet.
I cannot believe he used his parents money to start a record store called hell.
Oh, yeah, and then later when the media really started getting involved after the church burnings
and all that shit, he wouldn't let the press into the store because his grandma told him
not to.
That's a great reason not to do something though.
Grandmother and he also had to apologize for wearing a white sweater once to rehearsal
for mayhem.
And he said, I'm sorry.
My grandma gave it to me and she wanted me to wear it.
I saw her this afternoon.
That's adorable.
It is.
It is adorable.
Why is it like these guys, like they took themselves so seriously for a bunch of kids
hanging out in a record store paid for by their parents.
Right.
Now, your Ronimus's idea was that he would sell all kinds of metal records to bring
people in, even the so-called trend music as he called it, like napalm death.
He specifically name dropped napalm death.
Okay.
Now he said, quote, this will help us earning money so that we can order more evil records
for evil people.
That was a true because that's what they said.
Black metal is only for truly evil people.
You have to be evil.
Everybody around is evil.
And now with a ramen, a Ronimus is very smartly doing is creating a hub for black metal where
he gets got a nice little basement where people go to.
They spray painted a really shitty pentagram on the wall where all the bands would go to
fuck like at night when their parents were home, where they would people would crash
that were visiting from other place.
He created an epicenter that allowed it to be like he became leader of it.
And he could say, that's real, that's true, that's real metal, that's real metal, that's
false metal and hold court.
Like a nerdy stinky playboy mansion for no one that actually wants to have fun.
Oh, listen to this shit.
Their original idea for the shop was to make it pitch dark inside so people would have
to carry torches to browse records.
That sounds fun.
In no way is it a fire hazard.
That's totally cool.
Yeah.
After realizing that was a stupid fucking idea, they settled for just making it very dark
instead.
It is dark.
And a lot of times they would even talk about that in interviews, they were like, that's
a man, you know, like it's no joke, you know, like it really was like, honestly, very dark.
Like, to a point where it is, it's discouraging to people trying to buy a record because like
I'm going there, I'm trying to spend money.
I can't read, I'm jumping, I'm bumping into things.
He's screaming at me about how he has to finish the down payment on half of these things
that are in the store.
And I'm like, well, maybe if we put like a fucking lamp, even some like candles or something
don't right, maybe not a great business.
Oh, he was an awful businessman, which is going to possibly lead lead to some shit later
on at least a theory of some of the shit that happened later on.
And so the black metal scene finally had a hangout, a central gathering place for black
metal musicians and fans.
People would actually show up in the middle of the day, paint it up with corpse paint
to try to be a part of the group.
That's fun.
He said it was a mandate.
Right, he became out of being like, you have to go, you have to impress your anonymous.
So these poor dudes would just show up and just like on the bus, like full corpse paint
like being driven by their parents out there just being like, don't wait for me outside
mom.
No, use go around the corner, go to the fucking store.
I have to go talk to your anonymous.
Oh my God, like a studio 54 for Goths.
Oh yeah, a lot of these guys from came from wealthy secular families.
No kid and they had time to dress up and paint and go to a record store.
Yeah, in other words, these were guys who were desperately looking for something to
rebel against.
And the best they could come up with in the words of some of their own members was that
life with Norway's high standard of living was too good.
So they said in Norway, it was also a very liberal, very liberal country.
Yeah.
They had the idea of like the idea that what what Varg Rikerson ends up getting is 21 years
is the most you'll be for for arson and murders and all of this shit.
Like it's a very lax prison system.
It's very like it's a sweet place.
Oh yeah, it's too nice.
Yeah, it's way too nice.
Yeah.
In fact, when Varg, when some of these guys got arrested later on, they were saying like,
this prison is too nice.
It's way too nice.
I've got a toilet here.
This is be must.
It should be much worse.
Oh my God.
He was screaming about how he wanted to be put into a dungeon.
Yeah.
They all should have.
They need to be sent to New Orleans.
They need to be sent to Angola.
Yeah.
They need to understand how what difficult life is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's put you in a super max prison and see how much how brutal you think that is.
Yeah, man.
Get their wig split.
Get their fucking butt cheek spread.
They're not going to fucking handle it.
They run in a big herd.
Big herd?
They're not going to be able to handle it.
Yeah.
And we're not saying that that's good or that's better or anything like that.
But that that's what they want.
So by mid 1991, the black metal scene revolving around Helvetta included bands like Dark Throne
and Immortal and Emperor who I fucking love.
And of course, Mayhem.
These guys were referred to by Uranimus as the Norwegian black circle.
Yeah.
But there was sounds like a circle jerk, but everyone is soft.
It sounds like the thing that is forming in this chair from the puddle of sweat that
happens from my butt every time we do the show.
Things the audience didn't want to know, but now do from Henry Zabrowski.
But there was one band that was the driving force of the infamous crimes that most people
know the Norwegian black metal scene for.
That band was Bursam.
And it only had one member that we have mentioned many times already, Varg Vikernis, aka Count
Grishnak.
I actually think his original name is more scary.
Yeah.
Yes.
Just go with Varg Vikernis.
Is it his real name like Stephen?
Christian.
He changed it from Varg.
Yeah.
His real name is Christian Vikernis.
That's also good.
And then he changed it to Varg, and then he gave himself the pseudonym Count Grishnak.
And we'll get to know Count Grishnak in all his bullshit glory in episode two.
Count Grishnak sounds like he loves M&Ms, but only the brown M&Ms, and he has them all
separated.
Well, what I hope is that by next episode that you guys read all three to the Lord of
the Rings trilogy so that you can understand some of the hot wisdom that Count Grishnak
throws down, because he breeds a lot into it.
I think we're going to have to, we'll have that nerd alert on full blast of the next
episode, I think.
Oh, yeah.
You listen to Varg.
He's like, I hate hobbits.
It's a hobbit.
It's just terrible.
I'm more identified with something.
We've got a nerd alert.
We've got a nerd alert.
He said the elves remind him of pompous shoes.
They're like, wow.
What a cycle.
That's like, what a way to flip it.
Oh my God.
It was never supposed to be offensive.
No, it's not.
You just got all the way to the bottom of it.
Oh my God.
All right.
Well, that is part one Norwegian black metal, very informative, and go get out there and
listen to some music, I guess, that might blow your minds.
Yeah, this first episode, this is just laying the groundwork for everything.
It's just what you need to know to really understand how all this ended up in fucking,
you know, over 40 churches being burned and two murders.
It got really serious.
It's kind of interesting to see how like it was this nerdy, real movement of just people
because they all made really cool music during this time period, really cool music's going
around.
They're really, they're dedicated people.
They're trying to make.
I like the idea of the total, like, non-ironic, like, we're into this.
Like I love real metal.
I love that people that are really like a true metalheads and but it's crazy how it spins
into murder.
Yeah.
Like it becomes a whole thing where it's like a rep.
People's rep is like is too much.
It's what it's why like the same thing with the East Coast, West Coast rap battles were
happening too.
Or it's like there's something about reputation and you're standing on the street that like
that pride is really evil.
And then of course, there's a lot of people I don't know about the Norwegian black metal
scene, but in the hip hop reference, making money off of it.
Yeah, I love it.
I think it was quite there with them.
No, it was not quite there with them.
But the thing is about these guys about rep and about street cred is that there's a reason
why shit got more intense after dead killed himself because debt up the ante.
Dead took it to the next level because at this point, these guys were still just hanging
out.
Yeah, they were talking about doing evil shit.
They were talking about being evil.
But then when dead killed himself, that upped it to the next phase.
You know what?
So Euronymous had to start talking more shit about being evil and about being more metal
and anything else.
And then when Varg comes into the scene, it's pretty much Euronymous and Varg egging each
other on and just trying to one up each other.
And then it eventually ends in the deaths of three people because a lot of people just
say it's two murders.
But a fucking fireman died during one of those church burnings.
Think about that.
You know, the best way to do it, the best way to up the ante is what Alice Cooper did.
Her play in golf.
There is nothing more metal than just throwing a lateral metal, make a new metal like show
you look, I can wear white, but that's what you were else going to find out what Euronymous
was doing too.
There was a point where Euronymous was really into he was really into electronic music and
he was slowly but surely trying to bring it into the scene and like and people did not
enjoy that.
We'll get into it.
Yeah.
He was a pair.
Euronymous was apparently a huge Brian Eno fan.
Really?
Fucking.
So not shocking.
Actually, I'm a gigantic Brian Eno fan.
So that kind of made it like, hey, you're on a missile ride.
All right, everyone.
Thank you so much for listening.
Let's see here.
I want to thank everyone.
We want to thank everyone who came out to our shows in North Carolina seriously, just
such a wonderful, awesome experience.
Everyone was so cool.
Maybe one of the sweetest groups of they were awesome.
Honestly, everywhere I went, I got talked to by every like waitresses and waiters and
people around like on the street bartenders.
Everybody's so cool.
Yeah.
And it's beautiful.
North Carolina is just gorgeous.
So thank you all for being so awesome.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
We got to hang out with a bunch of fans there, like super fucking cool people.
Yeah.
We want to just thank y'all for being really fun.
Why did we stay out to 3.30?
We stayed out till 3.30.
Yeah.
This was a rare occasion.
I was home by 12.30.
Yeah.
Because my eyes went crossed when I was talking to someone and I was like, time to go.
Yeah.
You were on autopilot at one point.
I saw you and you were just like, what if we just burned this whole bar down?
Like you did some weird cryptic thing and I was like, Kissel, you all right?
And he's just like, I'm just saying, playing with ideas.
I'm just playing with ideas.
Not sure if I requested arson, but perhaps.
Yeah.
But yes, that was a wonderful experience.
Yeah.
And then me and Henry ended up at a windowless bar talking with a bunch of people about the
Mongolians and the Great Plague.
Well, I'm happy you guys made it out alive and will be in Toronto coming up very soon
as well.
Yes.
Another Just For Laughs festival.
But if we're learning anything from today's show, it's not just for laughs.
It's not.
It's not.
It's not just for entertainment.
Yeah.
We're coming to Toronto.
Guys, if you please buy those tickets to Toronto.
Toronto's going to be a good show.
Yeah.
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That's coming up.
And then can't wait to come to Pittsburgh.
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And I also made a black metal playlist.
It's very short.
It's just like 10 11.
You gave it to me.
I love it.
It's a great playlist.
Yeah.
I made it for both of these guys to kind of like give them a bit of a primer.
But there's some cool shit on there.
If you go to last podcast network dot com and go to follow there's a link to my Spotify
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Hail Satan.
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