Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 288: Robert Pickton Part I - Pig Sense

Episode Date: September 30, 2017

It's time for another Heavy Hitter as we cover Robert "Willie" Pickton, Canada's most prolific serial killer. Join us as we cover his pig-shit covered childhood, his first forays into the world of meat and butchery, and his odd experience in America with cherry pies. Chill Wave Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Leopard Print Elevator Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons

There's no place to escape to. This is the last top cast. On the left. Why? That's when the cannonball started. What was that? Alright, should we do the show? We can do the show. We can do the show. We have to do the show. There's going to be, I'm going to put a caveat up top, okay? There's going to be a lot of controversial opinions about the Canadian people as we do this episode.

And it's not saying anything wrong with the Canadians. They're great people. They're fantastic. Very laid back. Poutine. They love their lakes. They treat moose like dogs over there. Which is very dangerous to do because they will eat your girlfriend's pussy. And I mean the entire thing. Put an apple up there. I don't know about all that. Well, that is a controversial opinion that you just had there.

You got there. I like the moose's dogs. Anyway, this is the last podcast on the left, everyone. I am Ben Kissel, Marcus Parks. And holy hell, how long has it been since Henry was in studio? Months. Months. It's been months and I got to say, these vagabonds shoes. Man, New York City still got it. I saw a bum with shit all over him outside of the hotel I'm staying in. Cool. We still got it.

He did complain. Henry was complaining. He's like, there's so many people here. It was like a family from Ohio all slammed into your brain. There's so many people here in New York. All right. The reason we brought up Canada, we're talking about Robert Picton. Part one. No, no. He goes by Willie. Yeah, but Willie is not derivative of Robert. His middle name is William.

Okay. And it's also, you're going to get into this. This is the biggest bunch of bum fuck. Dirt ass. You are in a mood to this. No, they are. They are. It's a type of Canadian. Homeless farmer. It's like they have a farm, but it's like they're living on the street.

Okay, so it's kind of fun. Well, Robert Willie Picton, a.k.a. the pig farmer killer, a.k.a. pork chop Rob. Call me pork chop Henry. Why is that? Well, I got these pork chops. That makes sense. Well, Willie Picton was a Canadian serial killer who murdered up to 49 women from 1983 till 2002, mostly picked up from Vancouver's notorious downtown Eastside. Now, don't you go ahead and call it that this is an Eastside problem.

That's a downtown Eastside problem. That's it. Here on Eastside, we have nice things. Vancouver, which is actually my favorite way to pronounce any city, Vancouver. Vancouver. Yeah, I think they got that right. Well, Picton's known victims were street level sex workers, many addicted to hard drugs and living hand to mouth lives in an environment that we ourselves witnessed just a few weeks ago when we did a live show in Vancouver.

What I loved is like talking to the Canadians about going to Vancouver. And they're like, you know, everyone's just like, oh, Vancouver is nice. I mean, like, I know, tell them what we're doing the show over on East Hastings. And they're like, oh, that's a bit of a bad neighborhood. Yeah. And I'm like, OK, sure. Yeah, I'm in use of bad neighborhoods. We live in New York City, live in Los Angeles.

Right. I've seen some terrible places. East Hastings in Vancouver is the worst place I've ever seen. It was fascinating. A lot of public heroin use. Open blood on the walls. Yep. Like it's a George Romero movie.

People just. It was straight out of the dawn of the dead. There was a woman demanding wheelchairs from this guy behind behind a fence. And he's like, we're out of wheelchairs. And she's like, I just need a wheelchair. And I don't think they were talking about wheelchairs. I don't think so. I'm pretty sure she was asking about heroin.

And also terrible code for heroin. Yes. Well, I think it makes you sit in a wheelchair. Purchasing multiple wheelchairs. Well, that's a good question. Unless you're on hospital supply. Yeah. There was just one guy digging into the dirt like I've never seen before.

I mean, it was into the road rather. Bloody fingers and all. Yeah. And we took a cab from Coquitlam. Where Willie picked in actually is from. It's a sweet suburb town. Yeah. We took a cab from Coquitlam to our show in Vancouver.

And our cab driver, who was from the East side, just sat there eating cherries, pits and all. The entire pit. He was eating the pits. He just sat for 30 minutes. Just constantly. Oh, yeah. You're going down to East Hastings, right?

Oh, well, you better hold on to your wallets there. You're going to swallow in stones like, is it chicken? They can't digest food. That's a good way to do it. My cab driver dropped me off four blocks from the venue. And he's like, you'll get out here. I was like, I think we've got a couple of blocks. He's like, no.

You're going to get out here. Well, Picton would either cruise for them with these women himself or get an accomplice to do it. Take him out to his pig farm in nearby Coquitlam, rape them, murder them in various ways, and dismember the corpses. His method of disposal was either to feed the butchered bodies to his pigs, or take the remains to a nearby rendering plant mixed

in with the various livestock viscera produced on his farm. Now, there's going to be a lot of shit talk about viscera today. What's viscera? Viscera is all the good parts. The guts. Yeah, especially when it's bad parts. Yeah. Get them again.

Get them crackling on them. Put some candied bacon on it. You got that caramelization on it. Flapping a super hot cast iron pan. You get some robin there. You get some kind of weird, like a good nice fresh green. Kind of pump it up. Get some savory.

You put some umami in it with soy sauce. With all the controversial food you eat, you've probably eaten a Canadian. Sure. Yeah, I had plenty of pimeal bacon in my time. And despite what Willie Picton's Wikipedia page says, he definitely did not attend the University of British Columbia, nor was he a member of Phi Delta Theta.

No. I do. I do love the idea of animal house style pranks. But just Picton's version of it. No, the only thing, it's just him. Yeah, it's just like, oh, yeah, look what I did. Killed a hooker. Oh, we were thinking about toilet paper in the house.

Toilet paper in the house. No, no, I didn't do that. No, no. Killed a hooker instead. You did. Well, we were just going to do a little toilet paper, maybe put some little bottle rockets. Oh, you do, you, I do me.

Well, this is a strange initiation process. The vast majority of the information in this series comes from a book called On the Farm by Stevie Cameron, given to me by a wonderful fan at our Vancouver show. So thank you very much for giving us that and introducing us to Robert Picton. This book is a wonderful piece of literary nonfiction that I would recommend to any true crime fan,

and all quotes from this episode are taken from On the Farm. I did get very several lovely texts from Marcus of being like, loving this book. It was like, is it really into it? Yeah. Well, in contrast to a lot of books about serial killers, Cameron gives a face to the victims and their families, dispelling one of the myths of what's known as the less dead,

i.e. victims whose murders are not investigated by the police or covered by the media until the body count gets high enough. Yeah. On the Farm also sounds like it could be a really fun book about Woodstock. It could be. It is not about Woodstock. There were pigs, there was a farm.

It was what's his name from the band. That's what I was thinking. Leave on Hell. Leave on Hell. It feels like his autobiography. Totally different, though. Well, the myth is that these women, street level sex workers, have no families, no friends, and no connections,

and that just isn't true. Even though many of them had fallen on hard times, these women were daughters, mothers, and sisters with families who miss them immediately. Also, a part of like the halfway house and kind of like safe spaces for heroin use that are in Vancouver, especially on East Hastings, is like they were working with social workers

a lot of the time that were also looking for them. That's one thing about Vancouver. It's the reason why there's so much homeless activities because they have the infrastructure to take care of all these people and also the mentality of it's better that they're high instead of sick because if they're high, at least they keep to themselves, and if they're sick, they start doing desperate shit.

Absolutely. Warning, this drug may kill you. Very powerful documentary on opioids and heroin abuse. My goodness, is that a powerful drug? Mm-hmm. Now, one of the great tragedies we'll get into in this series is how the Vancouver Police Department's lack of care for these women, their contempt for modern investigative techniques

and their sheer laziness actively prevented a proper investigation from taking place. The cops in the Robert Willie picked in case are like hobbits. It's basically they're eating three breakfasts and they smoke out of those inappropriately long pipes. It's a lot of sitting me like, oh, well, can't go be walking and getting the donuts over there.

My feet are tired. Can you just kick the box over here? Be like, kicking the box? What do I look like? Some kind of footballer? Well, there's no crime if you don't investigate it. That's how we stop it right there. Zero percent crime here in Vancouver.

It's incredible the crime rates how fantastic they are. That was exactly the mentality because all these women were going missing and the Vancouver Police Department's like, well, you know, since there's no bodies here, there's no murders because, you know, these women, they just get up and they go and we don't really know where they go

and they don't really talk to their families or nothing like that. So we're just going to kind of let them go and we're not going to really worry about them. You know, that is the one thing they say about people who do a lot of heroin. They are shakers and they are movers. They're always traveling.

In no way do they say the same three feet by three feet box just kind of waving like a flag. No way. They're out there achieving their dreams. On the bus, on the train, on the planes, out there seeing the country. It's like a Dr. Seuss. Well, there were some cops in the Vancouver Police Department

who were genuinely concerned about these women and genuinely had, were trying to get an investigation going because they knew there was a serial killer around but really who pushed for this were the people who worked in the downtown East Side people who worked with these women and journalists. There were journalists who worked on this story for years. Good people trying to pressure the police department

into doing something, anything, but they didn't, not until it was far, far too late. Had the proper people actually given a fuck, put petty grudges aside and got off their asses to do some actual police work. Picton would have easily been caught years before he reached the staggering number of 49 victims. Because he was a mouth-breathing,

he used to live with his pigs. He used to sleep with his bed. He used to sleep with his bed. They were covered in shit. This isn't cute pigs. This isn't babe. This isn't James Cromwell being like, it's a good pig.

It's not that lifestyle. It is literally living in pig shit. Okay, because cuddling with pigs. He was just a dumbass. He just looked like a crow magnan but like a rat-faced crow magnan man. He was bragging about his crimes and shit. He could have been caught in a second.

He jumped on something like this. They could get some name notoriety. This seems like a perfect formula to make you a super cop. Laziness. And the super cop they did have, they had a super cop on their set. They had a world-renowned super cop and they hated him for it.

They hated him for being a super cop. He made too much paperwork. He made too much money. We'll get into him later. Before we get into all that, let's talk about the disgusting pig shit childhood that's like when your cousins can only make that noise

like That's a good time though. Alright, we have a big shit child coming up here. Willie Pickton was the middle child of three born to Leonard and Louise Pickton born October 24th, 1949. His father was a farmer

and 16 years older than his mother and the two met by chance in a coffee shop. Hi there, welcome to beans and brews. Can I get a vanilla latte? Can you fart on it? Wait a second.

Did you just order a vanilla latte with a fart on it? Yeah, I did. Who's asking? Your new wife is a meat cube. I thought I was the only one. There's some poor guy in the back just being like we'll have to squeeze you twice.

The far couple came in, huh? What are you supposed to do? I guess I can shit a little bit. I know you guys like to say that I'm a dirt person. You are. I'm not a dirt person. Hold on. How many vials of dirt do you have in your apartment? Six. Okay, thank you. How many times do you have glowingly reviewed dirt

in your life? These guys were dirt person royalty. Well, they're only royalty and the fact that royalty also is just a gigantic family that fucks each other. That's a good point. And there are 13 different standards. The picktons sound filthier

than even the most inbred of my townsfolk. That's how we know you're a dirt person is that you say townsfolk. I know. And the fact that you have a compass here of like inbred families that play in dirt. It's like my mom and queens when I have to tell my mom this like, you know, mom, we're white trash and she's like, we're not white trash.

I always wash the stoop with the hose every Friday. There's all the animals. They didn't. They let the grass grow in between the stoop lines. That is the class divide that's big stuff Well, it wasn't like these were nice people who just happened to have an odd way about them as we'll see the entire Picton family with the possible exception of their daughter Linda was rotten to the core They were not just filthy. They were awful awful people. So they were comfortable in it. They were happy with their filth

Loved it. Love their life. Okay. Well, let's get to the mother first Louise Picton was by all accounts a bizarre woman inside and out, especially when she got older Most of her teeth had rotted out which made it hard to understand anything she was saying It just makes me think of Ren from the fucking I have a personal aversion to when people let all of their teeth go and the hollow look of their mouth when they don't have dentures in It is it is kind of horrifying, but it's also kind of fun You get to be two people at once my grandfather used to take his teeth out of his mouth And I thought it was the coolest trick I've ever seen in my life. I love dentures. Yes

Don't get me wrong I love dentures and I can't wait to have them because I will scare everyone I can because they'll do the I'll laugh so hard then spit my teeth out and go Oh, and when Louise Picton did talk she did so loudly and rapidly and what was described by many as a persistent high screech So you're gonna get the baconator there do you want a side salad with that we're trying to make it healthy here at Arby's Ooh Get some mott sticks as well as far as her appearance went most of her hair fell out with only a few wisps

Remaining which was always covered by a kerchief That's classy. It seems like all her hair had migrated to her face as she was said to have essentially a goatee That reminds me of my dog Wendy, and I miss Wendy is an incredible dog If you haven't seen Wendy go to Instagram I think Natalie Jean on Instagram and some pictures you have as well check out Wendy I know Wendy is an incredible dog But we're like getting really dangerously close to when like somebody has a baby and all they talk about is their baby But the dog looks like splinter which we realize and it's cute when a puppy looks like a splinter, but when a lady looks like splinter

It's not very cute. It's different Yes, we actually got to hang out with Wendy at our Pittsburgh show Pittsburgh was incredible Thanks for everyone who came out that was wonderful. Trundle man or rules. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Trundle man or I made friends So his mother looks like the old lady from the woman that could be a young woman or an old lady picture That's right, but never turns into the young never once never once No, she had a long hair sprouting from her chin like the stringy roots of a plant and she had a thick Mustache or at least thick for a woman. She's like a master in a kung fu movie Yeah, I was thinking that or just some like a cafeteria cook who's very good with the slop

Yeah, she can just slam that slop down But she's a good one because she gives people more slop than the other one does One visitor to the picked and farm later said quote that would blow my mind is a little kid I would just say to myself cut it off It's true But I guess you get pride. Yeah, you got pride. I like to let my beard grow into my chest hair Well, it's an indication that you've been around for a little while your wise Yeah, but I don't I think she was like fairly young when it started

I think he was it sounded kind of like she was in her like 30s or 40s when the hair started very wise very wise very wise Now as far as clothes went Louise always wore a house dress over a pair of men's jeans Accompanied by men's rubber gum boots, which made her wallet like a duck Well, technically she was the Scarlett Johansson of Coquitlam That puts her in the top ten that way. I mean honestly the waddley like a duck makes her kind of cute Yeah, that's kind of fun a wallet like a duck no hair goatee no teeth. Well, you know what you're eating for dinner every night Yeah, and I tell you cream. I'll tell you what she's good for huh? You know what she's good for huh? Are you gonna make a joke about sexual things eating hot dogs?

Sucking them down all the way down Very good, and she was short with a round face like her children Linda and Dave But Willie looked more like his father haven't inherited the rat face that so many dirt bags across North America seemed to share Now even though the family farm housed chickens ducks and dogs their main animal was the pig All these animals were allowed to freely roam in and out of the Picton house shitin wherever they please Which didn't really seem to bother the family all that much. You just let the pigs in the house Yeah, and it's it comes under the pet pigs are different. All right. Yeah, they're clean. They're smart Yeah, you I mean they got tiny little feet. They're cute little faces, and that's nice. These are more like hogs

These are big-ass hogs full-grown hogs, and normally you got to keep the hogs in a place where the shit Does it come in the kitchen right? I guess I'm not a farmer. I'm a city boy All right a part of me kind of life other than the poopy in the house you got to poop outside the house But it is kind of fun to have a bunch of animals in the house. Yeah, yeah I don't think you know how much shit animals produce on a daily basis. I don't I'm not real fast You're a dog nanny to Pomeranians. They shit like an ounce. It's like a little like it's like a cute little Oh, that's cute a pig. It's like when you and I sit down like after we've had like a long airplane trip Or we've just been housing fucking beers on the plane. Yeah, and you have that big splatter-ass beer shit

Oh do 24 7 well You know what thank you for putting it in context that I can understand Henry I'm a teacher now I have a better understanding of what their house was like Well, well the kids had to slop 200 pigs a day every day both before and after school and the smell of Pigment manure and slop stuck to every member of the Picton family Which earned Leonard the nickname Piggy among the other local farmers a name he actually liked. Oh, thank you So even by farmer standards, they were exceptionally Moderant everyone standard the Pictons were the stinky kid. I mean he was even the stinky farmer, you know hard

To be the stinky one. Yeah, it's all like pig pen They're all pig pen if pig pen murdered sex workers And also it's the it's the Canadian version of the Texas Chainsaw massacre family. Yeah, that was getting that vibe, too Yeah Now for the most part the Picton boys lived a fairly isolated Existence the eldest daughter Linda seemed to have some semblance of a normal life But Willie and Dave spent most of their time either with the pigs or each other and it seems like there's a little bit of the Classic kissing brothers going on. There is no evidence for that. You're just saying that kissing brothers

Well, there is no evidence to counter the evidence that Henry has Even though these are terrible people we can't be engaged in pure speculation here on last podcast on the left We still do have some journalistic integrity. All right I'm gonna agree that with Marcus that it's not true, but I'm gonna agree with Henry that I want it to be true It's probably not a coincidence that Linda is the only one out of the three to come out Okay, because she was actually given dresses. She was allowed to hang out with other kids She wasn't constantly hip deep and slop and you know that she was the black sheep of the family They were sure to be like well Linda doesn't get along with the rest of us

But she's out there just having a normal life or everybody else covered in shit It's like can you imagine though going on a date with her and going back to her place? I just be like gonna meet your father. I don't think they did No, I don't think I imagine she was I'll be like it's like no, I was thinking Linda. Maybe it's time for me to meet your dad And we can do the whole thing you know like the whole marriage things like What if I said they all died I believe it well She actually became pretty successful once she finally shook the Picton farm loose like I think one of her kids had a doctorate Another one like had a master's degree. She did very well for herself

Okay, but Willie and Dave Willie in particular would not be so lucky One of the traits that Willie shares with a lot of other serial killers the secret ingredient in his soup If you will is an unnatural childhood attachment to his mother literally the umami Yikes for his father's part He seemed to be an almost totaled non entity both in Willie's life and around the house His mother controlled everything from the family to the business. The only thing we have from the father is a rumor that when he did pay Attention to Willie. He was extremely Abusive okay now Willie also wasn't very bright at least in the academic sense in third grade

He was placed in special ed and stayed there until he dropped out of school freshman year of high school Okay, so I have to ask if he's not very bright in an academic sense. Where is the bright pig? Oh He's real pink smart you say what you want about Willie, but he's got good pig I can pick a pig out of a lineup of five pigs. I tell you what I can tell you what a pig looks like I could describe a pig It's got four bottom things. It's got two things that make it go It's got a hole in the back for your favorite parts This is picked in your kid loves to eat crayons, but my goodness does he have the best pig sense I've ever seen as a teacher

And he had a horrible time in school while he was there Yeah, even though the picktons were pretty successful They were still pig farmers in the community that was made up mostly of doctors. Yeah, Coquitlam is like a nice suburb It's weird to have them roll in and all of a sudden you have like the shitty version of Pugsley from the Adams family just in your class Well, you're gonna be you're gonna be disappointed. Well, it was a farming community at first You know, and so and there were a lot of farmers around and along with all the other farmers The picktons lived at the bottom of a hill facing up to Essendale Hospital, which housed about 5,000 mental patients At its peak so a lot of the people in Coquitlam at the time worked at the mental hospitals hospital

So, you know, all the kids in school were you know, the sons and daughters of doctors, right? But even the kids even among the kids that were farmers Dave and Willie were still the smelly kids. They were still the outcasts and they also talked weird Dave had a speech impediment that lasted his whole life that made him sound like Elmer Fudd Especially when he got upset I just feel so bad because the speech made the speech impediment comes out when you really want to make a point Yeah, exactly. Everything is nullified. Criminal justice system needs to be all collected Yeah, technically you are completely corrected everything you said, but you said it's so strange

We're just gonna laugh right at you The picktons all also talked fast and they all had a high-pitched squeaky voice. Yeah, so they just weren't popular No, they got none of the the lucky things that happen to popular people like he can't talk normal He's got no it's like and so there was no help here. Oh, there was no help The parents could have very easily gotten these kids a better life Oh, and of course they all had brush cuts. Oh, it's easy cut Yeah, it isn't easy. You just keep all the hair at the top of your head. Yeah, you know where to find it And all this added up to Willie getting picked on quite a bit

The rumor is when Willie got upset or gotten a trouble He'd burrow into the butchered carcass of a hog until he felt better again How is this different than you Marcus? No, I don't know if Marcus has ever burred into a hog. No, I've never burrowed into a hog. I thought about it. No Yes, I have poked at the gas-filled belly of a dead horse Close enough I have done that. Yes I have been curious about dead animals because you find a lot of them where I grew up, you know They're everywhere and you find them in pastures and things like that slippery slope slippery slope

So as Macaulay Culkin in the movie my girl would go to his tree house when he was in mourning He would go inside of a pig. Yeah. Well, I mean, but to me this story just it sounds just a little too good Yeah, it's a little too good. It's the kind of shit you hear people say about the weird filthy family in town It's a bit of a Canadian yarn. Okay, but on the other hand Considering what picked in would get up to later. It might be true. It might be true Yeah, it is leaning on why isn't this true? It could be true. It could be but it just it just sounds too good This just sounds it sounds way too. I mean being from a small town. This sounds way too much like small-town rumored There was a you can sniff out small-town rumors when you hear them. They were the creepy family

Yeah, so a part of it you build more and more they build the legend of this family, especially it goes and Canadians are known to spin a tail Oh, yeah improv now one of Willie's formative experiences occurred when he was about 12 This was a story he would tell to anyone who would listen for the rest of his life This version comes from a tape letter. He sent to a pen pal named Victoria. He called that letter Bob's men wars He called himself Bob. Well, he called himself Bob's sometime So he homes of Bob sometimes that when he's being classy and then he called himself Willie when he was feeling fun Bob was his business name Bob is the classy name Bob is his business name when he was gone like when he would go to livestock auctions and

Junk auctions everyone there knew him as Bob. Okay, so Willie was just when he was horny Willie was what his friends called them. Oh, I see so if Bob's your business name So the story goes is Willie gone to a livestock auction with $35 as money that he saved up himself and he bought himself a three-week-old calf to raise One day he came home from school and found the calf was missing because every day he come home from school excited to feed his calf Yeah, it's in on it's dick play with the asshole like a good all sorts of stuff calling it Willie calling it himself It's gonna be really strange When Willie couldn't find his calf his dad told him to go look in the barn

Oh, when Willie opened the barn door. He saw his beloved calf hanging upside down from the ceiling butchered What see what I did there You know, it's funny, right? I just want to let you know you're turning me into a sociopath. You're welcome. Don't worry. I'll help you in business Business or sociopaths Charles Ng who killed up to 25 people with his partner Leonard Lake had a similar story He said when he was a kid his mother killed and made him eat his beloved pet chicken Why you bring up with your pecker

Where you go so far to bring up with your pecker in front of me again Nobody knows nobody knew what kind of friendship I have with you with your pecker That's your name. He's such a tiny Richard beak. That's why I called him Richard pecker Yeah, well, he is a serial killer Both of these men told these stories again and again scrounging for something Anything to make them sound at least half human I'll tell you this my nephew had his pig Mr. Jenkins slaughtered when he was a kid and he's doing just fine That's his first name. What's the pigs first name is just mr. So you just call you gave it a you gave it a sign of respect

Which is nice. Yeah, but yes, I'm glad that they did they eat the pig themselves as a family No, mr. Jenkins got sent to market. So that's fine. Yeah, he was I mean he was devastated He was very sad. Is that this little piggy went to market that they're eating them. Yeah I mean the piggies were going to shop. No, they're going to be butchered. Yeah, that's what this little piggy went to market Means that it's my mom told me they were going to buy food. Well, you're just sucking on a big old pork chop It's a six-foot five eleven-year-old I There are parts of this story. I'm gonna say right now that make me hungry There's a place Holman and Finch, Atlanta

So one of my favorite restaurants of the world and you go in and it's like the cell but a farm in there Yes, you go and there's a divisected fucking pig on the wall and man Oh man, every one of those pearls inside of the swimming guts of those pigs are delicious We'll get some we'll get some pig later. Well as far as Willie's childhood goes overall I guess you could say that picked in was neglected kind of sorter But it's upbringing really doesn't sound all that different compared to thousands of other hard work and pig boys across the United States and Canada Pig boys are some of the loneliest people has ever been. Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean the carcass story is disturbing sure but with picked and we don't have that traumatic moment or

Big head injury or that story that you always hear with serial killers You can point to and say like oh that's it like say with like Henry Lee Lucas Like drinking all the lead filled water and being made to dress up by his mother like you don't have that To look at right, but it could also be something happening We don't know about or that Willie pickin was just born and ended up in a terrible family I think he's very similar to Gary Ridgeway where he kind of stupided his way into the crimes I think that he was he was obviously sociopath He was just he was in credit just thick just a thick human being that just equated people to animals

And eventually he just treated people the same way that he treated the pigs Yeah, and really not far away from from mr. Ridge Ridgeway there in Seattle There is actually some very interesting connections between Gary Ridgeway and Robert Pickton It's Hypothesized or it's theorized that Gary Ridgeway Actually traveled up to Vancouver while Willie picked and was also Active there and Gary Ridgeway and Willie picked and shared essentially a killing ground For a period of time and there's a meet-up like Freddie versus Jason, but they didn't know each other

They were still like that. Yeah, they didn't like meet up and like like they didn't bump into each other on the street I saw the devil Yeah, it's not like a comic book or like the Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man meet and fight and then they become friends and work together Oh, they just happened to be going because there are women that tell stories once it when Gary Ridgeway was caught There were women in Vancouver's east side that said like oh shit like I know that guy that guy like that guy got violent with me once Oh, it's easy for them to drive up and then it's I'm sure they probably hung out at some point Gary and Willie just like is it Is like hey hey Gary I got you know, I'm looking at you and it's nice. We're hanging out because you and me we're stupid in the same way

Well the big difference between the well the big difference between these two guys and they are parallel to each other They the big difference between the two of them is that in America? We were investigating the Green River killer We were actively trying to solve it. Our bias is creeping in In Canada, they're like, you know, I'll be fine But also the big difference between the two is that with Gary Ridgeway, they were bodies They found one of one of Robert Pickton's victims that was outside of the farm But None of the others that is horrific. Yeah, it really is and when Willie was 14

His family moved their farm to another part of Coquitlam, but Linda decided to not go along She dropped out of the farm scene all together and moved in with relatives in Vancouver taking her first step towards shedding her dirt bag Immediate family so smart so smart. No Linda was a smart woman. Okay Yeah, she knew to get the fuck out of there as soon as she possibly could she would still be somewhat kind of connected to the Family throughout the years, but for the most part she kept them at arm's length. It's that Simpsons gag I just mean like I'm gonna be right back I'm gonna go get some eggs from the story. I'll be right back. Trust me Gone forever. Where's Linda?

I live in her best life. This second farm would be where Willie would live and operate for the rest of his life And that second farm would eventually become the largest crime scene in Canadian history And if you wrote this place into a movie into a horror movie, you'd be told you were trying too hard My goodness It was just naturally creepy the landscape was dotted with plots of quicksand that held a very real danger of death And the back of the property was filled with a stinking lagoon. It looked like a layer of a villain from Captain Planet Yeah, what what real estate agent sold this house to them because that real estate agent must be a genius No, it wasn't a plot. It wasn't me freckly bones

Yes, welcome here. We have the bog Don't put your foot in it. It's filled with mawn eating piranha. I already put my foot in it We had to take the castle down because it was filled with bats and the guano was stinking up the area I'll pay you a double The pictures are actually pretty shrewd business people. They bought the land. I think for something like $18,000 and it eventually got to be worth millions. Oh, wow. Pig smart. Yeah, pig smart people pig sense Yeah, and living pigs they did you get the pigs you raise them up you flip the peg and once Willie got control over the place decades later The place became a graveyard for broken down cars and scrap metal and seems like eventually

Thing you could compare it to it's kind of a tone down version of the junkyard From nothing but trouble I was thinking making a murder. No, this is great. We got nothing but trouble. This is it was a very long vacation. Yes, and what do they find? Oh my god, don't look was there. Oh Yeah, I was actually when we were in Pittsburgh I found myself talking to a fan and I found myself explaining the plot to nothing but trouble because you never seen it before I found myself explaining the plot. I'm like this movie is It's insane. Yeah, so they just went on vacation. Oh my god, Dan Ackroyd's weird penis nose

Oh, the movie is so funny. It's John candy and John candy is this movie has been brought up for One of the best movies that has ever existed and no one's talking about it. No one's talking about it. It's like it's not good It's good. Yeah, we will demo and bobo and debo bobo and little devil. Oh, that's a little devil with two bees Oh my goodness seven years How many roles can you put me in? Yeah, I'm whatever one of them Yeah, we're definitely gonna put nothing but trouble in the top five of the last podcast network movie. Oh, absolutely Now but long before the farm got into the nothing but trouble condition It was still a plain old animal farm complete with about

700 pigs and a couple hundred chickens stuffed into a few sheds or barns And Willie and Dave about in high school at this point slop the pigs three times a day now Even coming home from school during their lunch break for a quick slot. Hey, man You don't want to leave them too long. You know, you can't let them get clean. I'm good What is a slop exactly? It's corn mash and dirt mash and carrot mash and everything around Yeah, okay, whiskey mash. So that's you mean feeding them. Yeah, that's called slopping the pick up in the pig I was thinking they were washing them Oh

Okay, no, they're not viewing Nothing was getting washed it. Oh, yeah, they didn't even have a shower. Oh, yeah So the boys in the morning, they'd go to school covered in slop They'd go home for lunch get covered in more slop and then go back to school for the rest of the day without having taken a shower Yeah, okay. Yeah, so the boys just going back to school smelling like a pig arey I see now a pig arey is also what you call a group of men on their way to Atlantic City That is very true That's not that Willie would have even showered if he got the chance even into adulthood Willie had a

Hatred of showers almost in a rational fear Especially of getting water on his face You mean to tell me I'm gonna go and I'm gonna stand in a little space and I'm gonna have all of this offensive water Just weaponized at me. She's not all of me. I got a curtain around me like I'm ashamed of my own penis I can't see in that haunted little room filled with rain. That's fake rain. It's not fake rain He'd only take a bath about once a month. Oh even bath. Can you imagine that? And even then they had to force him to take a bath even as an adult. They had to force him to take baths And Willie would later say that he was born without a sense of smell. Oh good

So I don't think that that's true. Yeah, I think that he just like because he imagine just cuz that's he didn't know that he was filling A room yeah with his fucking stench so that he could just go like you smell me Yeah, I smell you smell horrible. That's weird cuz I can't smell me Yeah, I mean but I think I'm not born with a sense of smell. I can smell you though, which is weird But I can't smell does it smell like Stetson. Yeah, it's disgusting. It's horrible brute. Is that brooch? I hate it Technically, I smell human so I just don't smell me But I do notice when I go into some rooms the flowers will

Even though the Pictons did pretty well for themselves Willie and Dave wore the same clothes every day That's actually the side of genius. What I swear to God pig smartness. You're just From a man that wears the same outfit every day every single day. I wear variations of the same outfit Steve Jobs Save outfit every day. I mean he had multiple versions. That's the thing is that Batman had one pair of clothes They had a shirt and a pair of pants and they wore it every day Steve Jobs ate avocados to try to beat pancreatic cancer He wasn't smart always. Yes, and the floor of their house was always covered in slop and dirt because the Pictons Never took off their boots. They'd go and they'd slop the pigs and they'd feed the pigs But they never took off their boots when they came back into the house

So they just track it everywhere and the only furniture in the living room was a mattress Just one bare mattress in the living room. It's not the right furniture I'm always focused on smells and I think it's because I am sensitive like I don't like things smelling bad in the house I don't do that kind of shit. Can you just fucking imagine just like just what that house is like? Because it's also you know, it's got that ham smell that just comes from them being stupid I mean like they are their bodies just a mid a ham smell and then you go in it's that normal ham smell Mixed with shit covered clothes that have just been baking in the Canadian Sun, which is a low and slow Oh, and then yeah, just the bodies on mattresses and what mom's fucking beard hairs

Yeah, it's it's a recipe for odor. I'll tell you that and despite all this people still trusted the Pictons to store their meat Well, that might be they might be good at that No, pretty soon after moving to the new farm Louise bought a couple of commercial freezers and opened up B&C frozen foods Back in the end crack Yeah, pretty both of them, huh? Yeah, all for all two. Wow all two of them Well back in those days people would buy whole sides of beef pork or lamb and store it in places like the Picton farm Or they could go and pick up whatever they needed throughout the year Locally B&C frozen foods was known as the meat locker. Honestly, we're trying to change the name to the meat library

15 will he quit school over what he says was a fight with the principal over a nudie pen like remember nudie pen Of course the woman in the dress and you turn it upside down and the dress falls down and everyone laughs and it's really funny Hey there principal. Look what I got here. Oh, look at this. He normally do on one side of it Uh-huh turn upside down wait for it We for it. Uh-huh Wait for it. Uh-huh There's tits Give me the pen

All right It's a gift for you. I dare you to kick me out of school. I don't want to be here Louise was more than happy about all that because from then on she had a full-time employee He wanted to get kicked out of school He was leaving he was desperate to leave school to go be with his beloved pigs all he wanted to do was slop the pegs He's a pig guy. He's at pig University. That's a farm The weird thing was is that Willie's brother Dave even though he was still still had the same pig shit lifestyle Well, he showered sometimes that's good, but he still did all right socially

But by the time high school came he had friends and he dated enough or at least more than you think he would Wow He just probably had a van. Yeah, I mean like when you're like 15 16 if you have access to a car Mm-hmm. You're automatically sort of popular. You gotta think you can get stoned or drunken. Yes Yeah, that'll make you popular Dave was still a dirtbag through and through And probably still is to this day. He's still alive and while Willie is indeed Canada's most prolific serial killer We should definitely give Dave his due for being a solid Canadian reprobate of the trashiest order. Here's your due Oh, there it is. We're giving dues Dave's first great crime that we know of occurred when he was 16 And it probably had quite an impact on Willie as well on October 17th

1967 Dave was driving west along Dominion Avenue At the same time that a 14 year old boy named Tim Barrett was walking home from his friend's house Just me and my best friend a squirrel I'm just walking down the street. Mommy won't let me in the house anymore because I didn't sell my Newspapers, it's a long. It's a lonely child song. That does sound sad Nobody knows what really happened, but Dave managed to hit the young boy with his truck from behind I know what happened. Wow. He hit him with the truck from behind so he was gunning for him in other words Yeah, we actually yeah, we don't know if he was speeding and he wasn't paying attention

But the kid was walking on the side of the road and Dave just fucking slammed into it And then Dave stopped saw that the boy was severely hurt They freaked out drove home and told his parents what happened the family instead of calling an ambulance went into cover-up Overdrive first they wiped as much blood off the truck as they could and sent Dave to a local mechanic to get the dent from the Boy's impact fix smart. Well, I guess smart family sticks together I guess not when you kill a young boy. I guess I know what you did last summer It's gonna lead to a haunting. They're all gonna die and while Dave took care of that Louise got in her car and went down to the scene of the crime. She found Tim Barrett still lying there

Is that what do you see What do you see in my get me to a hospital? This poor kid poor kid. Yeah, you know what she did She rolled him into a water-filled ditch. That's the mother. Yeah, the mother Hoping that no one would find the body and then she just went home She so Dave regular old Ted Kennedy. Yeah, Dave at the mechanic shop The mechanic fixed the dent But was surprised that Dave even brought it in to fix in the first place as the truck was pretty beat up already and the Pictons weren't really known locally to be especially fussy people when it came to aesthetics

Yeah, yeah, why are you fixing this debt now the whole cars covered in pig shit? Why don't you wash it off with a hose for a second also? I'm pretty certain there's blood on here Yeah, well, you know, what's the great we we can fix all the dents we can do all the dents for 500 Just the one The next morning when the mechanic heard the story on the radio that a young boy had been found near the side of the road Mechanic called the Royal Canadian mounted police and reported the work he'd done on the Pictons truck Hmm. The horrible thing was Tim Barrett was still alive after the impact. His bones were broken He was hemorrhaging and his skull was fractured. Yes, but what he actually died from was drowning. Oh my god

So she killed him. She killed him, but again, Texas chainsaw It is but if you can't rely on your mother, yeah to hide your crimes I guess in my mother's nuts, but I know for a fact she would lie for me on the stand And that's the only thing that they need to be there for I In the end they got a call when you when they credit card companies They got a lot of credit card companies never heard of them never heard of it. My son died Tim Barrett died Floating in two feet of muddy water right where Louis picked and enrolled him and had she not done that he would have almost certainly

Survived. I mean he wouldn't have been right. You know, I mean he would have been fine Are you saying that if you're an accent what better dad? I'm just I think that Henry is taking a bizarre love side for the mother right now It's just he would have just been a crooked boy. No, he would not have been a crooked boy He would have fought hard and made it to the NFL He would have been alive at the very least he would have been alive you fucking monster So the mother now so this murder is on the mom Yeah, the murders on the mob, but

Amazingly she didn't even have to do that because the only thing that Dave picked him was charged What with was failing to remain at the scene of an accident All he got was parole and his license suspended until he was 21 about four and a half years Is this the 80s that we're in here 70s. This is the 70s late 60s early 70s. I think let's see here Yeah, I think it was 67. Yeah, 1967 The problem is the Royal Mountain police didn't want to investigate because the horses were scared of the pigs I'm on now come on. We have a crime to investigate. Oh, it's we got a crime I know you don't want to you don't want to go up the hill

All right, no more no crime today. There's never been a crime ever not since not since six months ago You know the funny thing that I the one thing that I learned in research in this episode the RCMP is actually the Canadian version Like the FBI. Yeah, no, they're hardcore. Yeah, I will not talk shit too much shit Because they will come for your ass and I will say they bring the horses in the buildings Yeah, sure. That's a very strong police force that is strong and Louise for her part in the murder She was never even investigated How we know about her role in the story is because she later told a friend of the boys that she had killed this boy by way of a threat and

Willie told one of his friends about it years later as well. My mom can beat up your mom I don't think so buddy. My mom is very strong. Yeah, my mom killed a boy. She killed a boy to cover up for our crimes My mom could beat up your mom You got that pen? Do you have that nudie pen? Look look right here. She got clothes on, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's boring, right? Yeah, turn it upside down wait for it My mom killed a boy. She killed a boy to cover up for our crimes. Wait for it She pushed him over he was he was walking out a little pet squirrel

It was the cutest little thing and then my brother just just mercilessly murdered him and then she's just flipped his face over Into the boob. It's it's yeah, and the victims did other trashy shit besides just casual murder as well They used to hire cheap labor from a local school for mentally disabled kids Which isn't necessarily in and of itself trashy McDonald's did the same thing. Yes, you treat people with respect. It's great If you treat people with respect, it's a wonderful thing What was so trashy was that when Willie dropped the kids off at the end of the day? He'd time it so we dropped him off just after the school's dinner hour And he then route through the dumpster and fish out anything that looked halfway decent

So he's doing he's living the Heathcliff lifestyle Yeah, that's a Willie picked and he's the Heathcliff serial killer He's very mean to others self self-involved Garfield love nothing, but lasagna. He adds good food Yeah, and Garfield isn't necessarily mean to others. He's just particular. He's particular tell that to normal Okay, when she's on flight to Abu Dhabi right normal was a liability No one was a wonderful wonderful creature, but why were they hungry? They had a pig farm. They had a meat locker They're just like free shit. Yeah, they're they're just they're just cheap trashy What do you do is he'd bring all these leave-ins to his mother and she'd cut off any part that might have gotten dirty in the

Family would just feast for free. It got dirty coming in the house. That's honestly the dirtiest thing is the house That's pig sense. That is pig sense Pig said now I could understand this and even sympathize with this if the picktons were barely scraping by but these people had two thriving businesses They were just the true definition of garbage people in both their hearts and their lifestyle the garbage pail kits Yeah But a whole family of them so by the early 70s the picktum brothers were starting to establish the career past that they would follow For more or less the rest of their lives Dave was working demolition and construction while Willie

Has started his career as an apprentice butcher First Willie actually had really liked butcher and all that much but by the time he reached his early 20s He could handle two dozen animals a day and eventually he would be able to handle twice that Wow You know what's interesting is I think that's where he got the positive validation Is that when he realized I think he's a dullard and mean in his core right and a worthless person Yeah, and then what he did was that he got positive validation from how good he got at butchering And then he just moved it all like he just put it in his brain He put the two categories of pigs and people together

I mean like well people like it when I do this if I keep doing it I'll get even more friends. Yeah, it could have just been a great butcher everyone needs a good butcher So by the time Willie was in his 20s He began his lifelong hobby of writing a pen pals Although it was never really made clear exactly how Willie got a hold of these women. How do you just get a pen pal? I think there used to be services where oh, yeah I think there used to be services because I remember I had a pen pal that I got out of what was it? Discover magazine in the back of Discover magazine, you know the science magazine is either that or three two one contact

We're writing to a 40 year old man. Yeah, we're handing to be a little boy That is that is obviously with a little girl Are you problem child? He's the pen pal is in prison. It's a serial killer. That's right that it's right interesting. Yes, you are problem child No, it was a little girl from Minnesota. It was a full grown man from Minnesota Well, he was very good at writing like a little girl Yeah, I bet he was just hard as a fucking dick and sitting there writing these letters. He's like finally I'm the little girl I always wanted to be interesting thing to do. Yes

Well Willie's all-time favorite pen pal was a woman named Connie Anderson who lived in Pontiac, Michigan When Willie was 24 years old He took his first ever trip outside of Coquitlam and traveled through the Midwest to meter It took him six weeks to get there He stopped in towns like st. Louis, Kansas City and Chicago along the way just working from city to city Come on now come on now you see no horses do it. You'll carry me like the horse carry me like a damn horse Alright, I'll carry you We could just see this the smell trail until he got to Pontiac, Michigan

Well in one city he doesn't say which city it was I'm assuming Chicago Willie got an odd proposition or at least he claimed he did he said I met a lot of people and Believe it or not once I had a chance for me believe it or not me I'm a plain old farm boy, and they want me for a model Model me you forget it. What's up? What's a model? What are they talking about modeling? That's a real quote A model was me. What's a model? What's a modeling modeling modeling modeling a model What was he gonna model for he does not say all he knows is that they offered him 40 dollars an hour for quote-unquote?

I don't work for his construction firm, and I said I got pig sense that hammer sense you need a hammer man not a pig man Willie turn the offer down Wow, but he's I mean, but he's having a regular old American adventure Working from town to town. He's having strangers on the street offering him work. So his life is like the movie. Yes, ma'am What is it? I've never seen the movie. Yes, ma'am. He always says yes. Oh, it's a film pro improv He's talking about no. He said no Willie said no. Yes, but until then he was saying yes Yes, yes, and then it got him almost to be a model. Yeah, he said no to a shower, too He says no a lot actually. Maybe it is. Yeah, he says no to everything but pigs. I guess yeah, yes, the pigs, man

pig sense Willie finally got to Pontiac around mid-February and was soon quote-unquote engaged to Connie Anderson But he said she couldn't leave her job and he couldn't leave the farm So it just wasn't meant to be careers always tear people apart. Also. I try to cut her open Because I was feeling really overwhelmed. I was new to the country there were signs I didn't understand I didn't understand it to order at the fast food restaurants I got different specials in there. So I just wanted to go to my comfort space inside a large breathing thing. Oh, I see Well, it seems like Willie's only real takeaway from his time in America

Was a preoccupation with George Washington's birthday. In fact after reading on the farm It seems like some Canadians have very odd ideas about how we celebrate George Washington's birthday I never celebrate George. What is it? I've never celebrated George Washington's birthday in my I've celebrated the day off from school There is a day off from school for George Washington's birthday. I couldn't even point to it on a calendar President's Day remember, but that's where everybody well. That's the days that we only don't we only celebrate George? I don't even know when George Washington's birthday is I thought that was Abraham Lincoln's like anniversary of the hat like when he first time I got the hat I just like Calvin Coolidge on President's Day. I think President's Day is like we celebrate both Lincoln and Washington on the same day

I think they put both into one day It's like the third Tuesday of February or something. We already got Mount Rushmore Doesn't that celebrate him? Sure. Well, Stevie Cameron wrote in on the farm. She wrote quote Americans revere George Washington as the embodiment of honesty and celebrate his birthday with a madness of cherry pies Abraham Lincoln is honest. That's I mean, I mean none of them are George. Why is it the cherry tree? I know the cherry but honesty is honest. Well, there's honest a but there's also an honesty thing with these Canadians that they're getting it All wrong. I have no idea. Maybe in elementary school We maybe did a cherry pie thing in elementary school like one time, but maybe that's where the cab driver was eating the cherry pits

No, that was because he was and that was like Americans No, I better eat the pits. They were just backwards human being Yeah, I've never heard the tradition of eating cherry pies on George Washington's birthday and for whatever reason the whole thing bothered The hell out of Willie. He said quote people keep trying to make me eat cherry pies Are we missing our own culture here? He said it was enough for him to comment on it He said that he it turned his stomach to see all these Americans with their faces covered in cherry pies So apparently we're not just eating cherry pie. We're also eating. It's so vociferously

You know, it's all over our family. You're covered in pigs. Yeah Cherry pie is nice. I don't know. It's like the movies stand by me or something like that Maybe that's the way America used to be cherry pie. Is this like a Michigan thing? Yeah, man They didn't make long legs big racks. It's a Michigan thing. Don't hate me. Yeah I actually have a I have a magnet that says that long Don't hate me class from Michigan classiest refrigerator in Los Angeles So when Willie got back to Coquitlam never to return to the cherry pie madness of America He got no horses as people paid the pickings rent money to board animals at their farm

So there's a lot of horses around so we're like, oh, I like horses. Let's let's get a horse So it became like an unpopular girl in high school But then were these horses perhaps used by the Canadian Mounted Police? I don't think they were I think these are just general horses Just general horses Canadian horses for Canadians. Okay, so Willie chose a colt and named it Goldie Oh, and he never wrote it, but he loved showing it off. He was a big showoff. You seen Goldie. Are you seeing her? Yeah, yeah big tits of that horse. Oh, yeah, look at this. I turn her like she's just a regular horse like this, right? Yeah, flip her upside down Oh, wait for it. Yeah, wait for it. Oh shit

wait for it See these tips Yeah Like it Can I see that bet again? Yeah, oh Goldie shitting again. I think Goldie's throwing up Wait for it. Oh My yeah, we're right there. Okay. I think it's broken

Well when Goldie died four years later after injured a leg because you know if a horse breaks a leg it's done You gotta put it down. It's like a grandmother. Yeah So after Willie put the horse down he sawed off the head Mounted it and kept it in his dank basement bedroom, which is a horrific thing to do to your horse You don't fucking do that to your horse Because you have a special connection with your horse. Yeah, it'd be like if I I did already bring up with Wendy How we're gonna stuff it when she dies you gotta stuff a dog. That's actually common stuff Yeah, that's a cut but with a dog

That's one thing but a horse you got a special connection with the horse. Well, I well I think you have a special connection with the dog. Yeah, but it's a different connection with your horse I don't know but it's interesting stance markers horses your friend. It's your child and it's your transportation So it's like the love you have for your pet your brother and your car I mean back in the Old West you could get hung for being a horse thief You wouldn't be hung for being a dog thief You're not being hung for being a horse mounter if you mount a dead horse on your wall. No, but it's a because you have Weird you guys are just never get it's weird. I don't think it's that I will if I have a favorite car

I'm gonna mount the I'm gonna mount the bumper when I get to do it actually do it yourself To have somebody else Did he do a good job with it? Well, he had said he took it to a taxidermist say he he wasn't he never gotten a taxidermy Now final question anybody but anybody is gonna be some listeners out there that are horse people They're gonna agree with me Okay, this is a fucked up thing to do final question Did he mount it with the horse tongue sticking out of its mouth kind of fun? Well in Willie's room besides the horse head he also had a picked in coat of arms displayed on the wall

Wow, what what would their coat of arms be good lord? It's just a shit-covered Can you see like the crass it's like a little shit lump a piggy face another shit lump and then a woman with a full beard And he also kept a book that told the history of various local families in Coquitlam Including the victims and it was said that these things were his most prized possessions Okay, as far as furniture went though the only thing Willie had in his room was a mattress on the floor Which had a big black stain right down the middle? That's mold It's well the room it did flood quite a bit because in Vancouver apparently there are spring floods And the room did flood quite a bit and as soon as the flood waters went down Willie just went back in there

And I actually I would imagine that the black stain was probably just from Willie going to sleep on it covered in pig shit. Yeah, I was thinking to you Pig sense so in 1978 on New Year's Day Picton's father Leonard finally died at the age of 91 holy hell yeah, and if you'll notice different life than Hugh Hefner had yes Definitely different than that if you don't and if you'll notice this is the second time we've mentioned now about the third time We've mentioned Leonard Picton in this entire story. Yeah, this guy just pretty much hung around the house Doing nothing. He's grandpa from Texas Janssen massacre He'd set up in the attic right he would bring them down for dinner

And then they would let and then everyone else doing everything around them They just basically waited for him to die and so was he just and when he died he must have been so happy Just died in the play-pooh mansion. Yes disgusting play-pooh mansion Manchin yeah in 1978 just started a couple of years of tragedy for the Picton Later on that year one of the Piggeries burned down it killed about 600 pigs It is really sad, but can you mention how delicious that smell? Just that pigs roasting 600 crackling pigs Oh

Then the next year Louise Picton died of cancer on April Fool's Day 1979 at the age of 67 You're not feeling well This is a joke. It's April Fool. Are you doing a joke? Is it a joke? mother um Thank God I have this pen When Willie was asked years later how he felt about his mother Willie said quote two peas in a pod

Two peas inside of each other inside of a pot. Oh my gosh Now the Picton farm was actually worth quite a bit despite its disgusting reputation It was worth almost a million dollars in today's money and with both parents dead It was time to see who got what in the will Now how the will was laid out tells you something about Willie's personal relationship with his mother But it's really hard to figure out just what hmm first of all every child got about $90,000 plus the farm split three ways, and that's $90,000 in 1976 money this really reminds me 1979 money this really reminds me of the uncle from American story

American American movie this reminds me the uncle from American movie where he's sitting all that money He's living in the trailer, and they're all just waiting for him to die. It's all right. It's okay American movie well, you know that story where Mike shank used to come in the Jimmy John's drop off the papers his brain was acid Oh, yeah, yes nice guy though But even though the other two Dave and Linda got their money right away Willie in order to get his had to stay on the farm till he was 40 years old I was about another 10 years after his mother's death until he got his share. So it's like Brewster's thousands. Yeah But he also got an additional

$20,000 upfront that the other two didn't get it was an odd split Yeah, and I can't quite figure out what she was trying to do well I think that she knew that Willie could not go anywhere else. He's got pig sense. He's a pig guy the pigery is very I just think they're all fucking stupid Everything was done wrong and backwards and Canadians. Yeah, but they were very successful people and his mother trusted him the most with the farm Yeah, that's the compliment where he's gonna run off to Los Angeles to be a model She's not gonna let that happen again. I always knew he could be a model Well, technically about when Willie picked him was finally caught. He was a millionaire like really? Yes

He was at he was a millionaire. These people We've covered the richest circle. It's not H. H. Holmes was rich on paper He was rich on paper, but at Willie picked and actually was worth well over a million dollars. Wow. Yeah, so he was I would actually say that this fucking stupid big shit dickhead is probably the richest serial killer in history Oh my god, I just imagine him shit. It's like the Scrooge McDuck just like diving in a big thing of dollars covered all the shit Yeah, like sm- oh my god Beverly Hillbillies, I guess, huh? So with mom dad Willie figured he was free to live how we wanted so he started that life by going around to junk auctions around Western Canada buying broken-down cars and scrap metal and hauling it all back to the farm

This is when the nothing but trouble time so he started building that a farm like a raven builds its nest And his meat business was also starting to grow and my meat business Willie would take orders from customers and go to livestock auctions to buy cows pigs Lamas and sometimes even the odd emu to butcher and serve up. It's fun to kill new animals I guess so leave the llamas alone But unbeknownst to his customers Willie was known to pick out the cheapest animals Mostly the sick ones covered in sores and oozing with pus. Oh, should they be sold? Yeah, well, they would give they would be like surplus animals

They kind of sell them all and you sell them for what because someone would buy them Yeah, but for meat because I don't really buy them they would cut the he would buy the culls like the culls Will they go through and they look for all the animals that no one else would buy the bad news bears the bad news bears of meat. Yeah The horrid meat and since the picktons had long been meat people their farm was already equipped with its very own slaughterhouse, of course, and this was Willie's method Willie would usually kill an animal by slitting its throat But if the beast was too big Willie like to take it down with the nail gun to the forehead All the emus get a nail gun like no country for old men Well, that was well, that was a whole different apparatus. That was that wasn't an it wasn't an air pressure. Yeah

It was a similar yeah a similar idea, but now Willie would use an actual like construction nail gun I mean I guess there's no pretty way to kill an animal so After the animal died Willie would cut a hole in its ankle Slide a hook into the wound and hang the animal from the ceiling to let all the blood drain out into a bucket And then you could take all that blood you can congeal it in a nice sauce you make that blood sausage like I had in Scotland I understand that you know none of this is Adverting you from having disgusting food on a regular basis. This is natural. Yeah I

Well, he would then gut the animal skin it and dismember it with a hand saw okay And the fate those animals met would be almost identical to that of dozens of women who would enter that slaughter house Only a few years later. Yeah, we're talking about like it's disgusting There's technically that place in Brooklyn where it's like they do all that slaughter and right there and it's hipsters Your ex-girlfriend used to work for it. She was an apprentice butcher. Oh, yeah, that's right I we were in Wisconsin during deer hunting season you open up a garage. It looks like that. Yeah It's nothing but deer carcasses. Hey, if you didn't do it to people technically It's very expensive. Oh, I don't know about the diseased llama jerk

He was with it But yeah Now small parts of these women's bodies would also join the animals in the 40 foot deep holes Picton would dig around his property to dump the excess bones skin and meat from the animals he slaughtered Now, how excited would you be to dig a 40 foot hole though Marcus? Look at him Look at him. I mean you just have to make a reason why and it's either put in a pool Uh, let's hide in a bunch of bodies. Let's put in a pool putting a pool. Hmm. You want to hide?

I want to hide bodies. I would like to hide animal bodies. That'd be fine. You want that Well, I mean I would do that. I don't know if I want that. Let's move forward And things about Willie he didn't treat his employees very well either You know models they're ego testing that said they were thinking about themselves in 1981 Willie hired four teenage boys to help out with the pigs But when it came time to pay Willie refused saying he could quote get rid of anyone just by Fertin But almost immediately after he tried to be friendly again But he did it in a way that sounds seriously like we've said many times before

This truly sounds like a canadian version of texas chainsaw massacre. This is canadian chainsaw massacre This is what one kid said happened one day Willie told me he had a ham for me And I should pick it up after my shift another kid told me to not take it But at the end of my shift I said what about that ham you promised me and Willie returned with a mass of material It wasn't brains, but I don't know what it was. It was all stringy and not ham Well, what was it? I think it was a bucket of uterus Oh my poutine put a little gravy on it. I will say I always love getting the store and get a nice pound of not ham Not ham. What is it? We know what it's not. It's not ham

Now since the Picton brothers were already bad people It makes sense that they eventually went down the road of criminal enterprise And since their plot of land was fairly large and already covered in junked out cars It made the perfect location for a chop shop operation ran by the local hells angels chapter Oh, okay And this made the Picton farm a favorite hangout for bikers and lowlifes of all stripes throughout the year Kind of cool. Like in a way. It's kind of cool. It's like if the nothing but trouble place was an actual hangout It's a party party place. Yeah big party place

I would have gone to a party if this would have been a place around, you know where I grew up We kind of had a place like this, but it wasn't really criminals. It was but I mean it was dirtbags. Definitely Uh, but it wasn't a lot of criminals just hell's angels just drinking a beer and saying sorry to each other because it's canadian sorry Now most people thought dave was the one who ran the whole chop shop operation at least the day to day But when police finally caught wind of what was going on They were told by some of the teenagers who worked gig stealing cars that it was the supposed dullard willy Who actually ran the day to day supposed dullard? Who's now?

Who's now supposed dullard you come over here telling me supposed dullard this and that and you're gonna have to explain to me What supposed and dullard is but before you do the first thing I'm gonna need you to do take a look at this pen. I got a new She's bigger That's what I like about it. She's got a male woman uniform on you see that I flip it upside down. Yeah, you wait for it Supposed dullard Send me that everybody thinks I'm supposed whatever it means slow wait for it I'm smarter than you think It's tits

But even though the brothers got caught red-handed nothing ever really came of it Mostly because the local Mounties had their hands full with vancouver's first serial killer cliford olsen who killed 18 In a horrible coincidence one of the girls who survived an attack by cliford olsen when she was a teenager Most likely met her ultimate fate at the hands of robert picked in almost 20 years later After we picture up from vancouver's downtown east side Wow, and we'll get into all that and more next week with robert picked in part two. All right. There it is I'm gonna call him a dullard, which is my new favorite word of the week. I think it's the tard the tard No, he's not a dullard. No, no, no, no. He's not it. Maybe now. He's a dullard. Oh

Is he still in jail? Yeah picked in is still a lot. Well, I mean when I'm rolling the end here, but yeah I mean, I thought that this guy was dead. No, no, dude. This all happened not long ago at all You caught what in 1999 2003 well, I guess we'll get into that in the part two my goodness. Yeah We I always forget when we call when we cover the more current events ones that this stuff is still yeah, wow That's it was either 2002 or 2003 when this guy got caught. This was not long ago at all All right. Well, we're gonna get into that in part two All right, everyone. Thanks so much for listening. Let's see

Uh, what do we want to talk about? We want to thank everyone for the patreon Of course, we want to thank everyone for the patreon and we got an announcement Uh, we got a new show announcement. We're coming back home. We got a live show here in, uh, Brooklyn, uh, that we're going to be doing on november 8. That's it. That's going to be the day after the election, right? That's right. So you'll be in good shape We'll be in great shape in no way hung over at all Not in any way whatsoever. But yeah, we're finally going to be this is the first, uh, New york show this first new york live show that we've done in, um, what almost well over a year. Yeah. Yeah, I think

You bought yeah Yeah, it's amazing that we've done. We've done canada five times in the last year. We've done canador, right? I would probably end up doing it again. You're right. Hey, absolutely. Montreal, toronto, vancouver and calgary And everyone was absolutely wonderful toronto twice toronto twice. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks to everybody who came out to our show in, uh, Toronto. Yep. Thanks to everyone who came out just for laughs because that's all we had. That's all we were doing Just for the only laugh. Yeah, absolutely. And uh, thanks everyone out in uh, in pittsburgh That's it. We wanted to give a special, uh Uh, on a sad note, uh, we met with a lisa and her husband, jonathan

Uh, jonathan was battling cancer. He has a succumb to cancer So our hearts are with you a lisa and the entire smith family the two, uh, the boys there nine and seven years old Uh, it was a unbelievably powerful Um moment to meet with you. It was great to meet with the family. They were all incredibly sweet and, uh, We just wish to see jonathan the other side and you know, I'm just glad that he had a peaceful passing. Yes So thank you for allowing us. Thank you for sharing that with us. It was very powerful Uh, and everyone at pittsburgh. It was a wonderful show. Oh, yeah. So thank you all so much for coming out. It was a lot of fun Um, thank you guys for everything also remember. So we got our, uh, halloween show in los angeles coming up

And I want to put this out there real quick. So l ray october 28th. We're pretty much sold out We're going to be giving we're going to be doing a clothing drive called no new dudes because we're trying to get a In uh, in la we're going to be putting out various businesses We're going to have a list of all the places where to go to drop off men's clothing. We're basically the idea is that normally um Women's clothing are collected a lot more than men's clothing in terms of like stuff for the winter like jackets and stuff and And like just normal shit. So I mean any clothes that are available But please give please give and we're going to put an announcement where those locations are where you can drop off those clothes

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That is gonna be if you speak spanish, it's gonna be uh, fucking awesome for you I think that's gonna be coming out next week. Well, I don't speak spanish But i'm gonna learn how to speak spanish through that show and horrify everyone that i'm talking to You shouldn't go see it's about uh, true crime and uh, it's about true crime and folklore In latin america like so yeah, so their their first few episodes that they've already recorded a few Uh, and the one that they're recording this week. Uh, they're doing an episode on alive We're we've been told that it's good. We've been told. Uh, yes carolina has assured me that it is good Okay, they might just be crapping all over our show. I don't know, but they're gonna be covering stuff like, uh,

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In the past she runs a subreddit She runs two subreddits one of them is called is our crime scene When we talked about tarn feathering photos that we looked at years ago. That was one of hers Oh, wow. Yeah, not as cute as the cartoons made it out to. No my god not at all And she runs another subreddit. Uh, that's her own stuff. It's uh r jessica m shannon and I just checked it out earlier today It's really fucking cool. It's very it's kind of like the morbid reality subreddit But uh all pictures and it's really rare stuff that I'd never seen before. Uh, so yeah, go check those out. They're super cool Awesome. All right. So hail satan. Hail yourselves. I'm gonna do a special hail jonathan hail alisa and uh, fuck death

Yeah, and uh, helgene as well. Helm me. I'm a gustal assholt. Goodbye