Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 289: Robert Pickton Part II - La Costra Pigsta

Episode Date: October 6, 2017

On the second part of our series, we cover Willie's trips to the rendering plant, just how badly the Vancouver Police Department fucked the investigation up for well over a decade, and the Piggy Palace Good Times Society. Opportunity Walks Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started So I see a really what you're doing over there you're dismembering is that a human body there Oh, I see how you're doing it there Oh, so you're cutting off the feed you're smashing up the teeth there Oh, yeah, you don't want to do that What do you want to do is you want to cut open you want to cut open the flopper? Let me a belly belly come over here. Come look at what he's doing. Oh, yeah, he's doing it wrong

He's doing it wrong. You really want to peel the face off like it's a mask It's filled with backseat drivers. Oh my good It is nothing but backseat drivers in every aspect well I let's get back into it. This is the last podcast on the left. I'm Ben Kissel. That's Marcus Parks We have shirtless Henry Zabrowski hard as a hard as a soft cheese All right, we're onto Robert picked in part two I guess it only gets more brutal more disgusting and more Canadian from here This is one of that. This is truly the Canadian serial killer story. Oh my I really like it

It's it's it's all in one. He's like Johnny Apple see Oh for us because you know that Johnny Apple seed killed some vaguely. I'm sure he was going down the road He's planting trees. He's like, yeah, that's every tree. It's legal for me to kill one boy Maybe he's really just a litterer. Yeah, isn't that not right? No, actually, he's the opposite of the litterer. Is that right? Oh, you're talking about Johnny Apple. I'm done. Jenny. I'm sorry. I got sidetracked by the Johnny Apple Seed conversation, but we are onto Robert. Yeah, this is not an episode about Johnny Apple see we do have to cover him at some point Soon soon that is an episode so in the early 80s Willie picked and started taking the excess animal parts from as many butchering down to a rendering plant called West Coast

Reduction in Vancouver. That is where I'm going to go to get my stomach reduction surgery my body contour surgery I am going to West Coast Reduction and hopefully they just don't make me look like a huge pig For those of you who don't know rendering plants repurpose all of the extra parts of an animal Unfit for human consumption in their original form for example entrails bone feathers fur and whatever else is left over from the carcass Rendering plants also process cooking grease from restaurants and all of its mixed in a one big vat Ground up and move to fryers where it's all cooked until the grease is separated and technically at one point the Fieri family The grandfather Fieri was visiting one of these rendering plants and a single hair fell from his goatee Uh-huh, and the sprung guy. Oh

Guy Fieri isn't that amazing? I could see you there just as a child just wearing short shorts Just with a big ladle and a just licking the spoon as you dip it in this disgusting sludge But I'm still wearing a fucking shirt inside because I was just so ashamed of my body This is the Browsky we need to talk about your son. Oh god. Just let him swim It's just I know is he eating too much of the swell kids can't swim. Oh, yeah, we're so proud of him He's got such a big throat. It's got it. He got his father's throat He's hired well the grease that is separated from the solid stuff is then made into cosmetics soap Paint or candy. So you mean to tell me honestly they take assholes and sinews

Huffs and fur and that's what's like on our celebrities faces. Yeah gelatin So J-Law when she went to the Emmys was covered with the slurry of Whatever and whatever it is we choose not to eat as the apex predator. Maybe yeah That's actually kind of that makes me feel good in a strange way. We're all just covered in slime Well the goo left over is pressed into pellets for farm animals or the little stars that you feed your pet cat Oh, Wendy and most of Robert Pickton's victims over the years or parts of them at least would find their way into the vats at West Coast reduction. It just sounds like the place where the Joker was made. Yeah It sounds like in Gotham where you go to hide out. Yeah, it's like access chemicals. Oh, yeah

I am trying to think what kind of candy was made here. I mean, it's got to be a hard candy No, no, I'm not a soft candy as far as far as there's original. Oh my god If they made worthers out of this as far as I know gelatin in candies I'm pretty sure that's what it is that like if you look at a candy like say like a Mike and Ike sure Mike and Ike Definitely, you know what I do. I only eat the mics. You know weird. You only eat the might which one of the mics Which everyone I call a Mike I say you're a Mike. I eat you you're a Nike throw you away Well, I guess what the mics are the ones that are made out of the the poor Scrape from the bottom

Homeless men is that that are just sort of the troll this country the people the lost the forgotten well the ones that there's no reach Out for they're the ones turned into the mics I'm eating the Ike's from now on. I'm gonna eat the ice Well, whatever Willie didn't take to West Coast reduction. He fed to the pigs Lots of pigs They're eating they're eating nothing but candy. No They're having fun and cat food. No, they're not eating candy and cat food. They're eating humans You didn't get what I was saying

Okay You were the type of senator that allowed to happen what happened in Vancouver during the 90s Exactly, that's all you think about is number candy just Mike and Ike's the problem That's what Ronald Reagan did nothing but jelly beans Jelly. Hmm. No Willie was a steady customer at West Coast reduction for decades And nobody asked why Willie unlike other farmers would include big black chunks of meat with all the rest of the useless Entriles and bones. So he's given basically just big dinty more size of chunks of meat to these people And how many years was this happening?

20 and they didn't and but that's not a red flag for them. Well, Willie Pickham was actually pretty careful about what actually went Into the rendering plant, but we're gonna get into that on episode three Now the rendering plant just dumped the barrels and sent Willie on his way right out into Vancouver's prostitute stroll as it was called Which began just a block away from the plant. What I like is that every single documentary I watched so first of all imagine the smell Yeah, that's what I'm thinking just the the fumes just coming out of this rendering plant mix with mix with the girls They're obviously have to cover up like extra. Oh, yeah Because of the smell because you like these are not these are not Willie Pickton's these are normal like working girls These are out there trying to go to normal human beings for the most part and so they're trying to smell normal

He's out there when I loved is that every single documentary about Willie picked in always called it going out on the town Right, that's when Willie would go out on the town again, and I was like he wasn't putting on a top hat and coattails This isn't like Broadway. This isn't Park Place from a monopoly. This is the rendering plant district of Vancouver Why don't we build around the rendering plant treat it like a major league baseball stadium? Restaurants all around it. It's a great idea. Right? It's like a universal city walk and it has an AMC 20 and it has it has like a frozen yogurt place Hey, I'm Guy Fieri. I'm looking to set up an American grill right next to this here rendering plant This is actually where I was born, you know

No, we talked a little bit about our own experiences in Vancouver's downtown Eastside on the last episode But it really can't be understated what sort of hellhole this place really has been for the last 30 or so years I mean when we went to the downtown Eastside we were talking about last week when we went to that is nothing new That isn't like the heroin epidemic that North America is going through right now That didn't produce the downtown Eastside the downtown Eastside has been like that for decades East Hastings is it is a broken-in couch That is they are very comfortable with heroin people are real used to what's going on down there It's just like everyone's got their spots. You can literally see where it's been like well, that's dudes That's spider Joe's spot over here. That's broken window Heidi's spot

Yeah, it is like when you go to your friend's house and have all the furniture has spring sticking out of it And you sit down there like no you don't sit there. What are you an idiot? Don't sit there. Everyone knows that's the springy cushion Well back in the late 70s local politicians made a concerted effort to push any and all and unsavory elements in Vancouver to this specific location sex workers drug addicts and mental patients from the recently closed Esondale Hospital all found a home in the downtown Eastside now when they're doing that do they actually just be like out of sight out of Mind yeah, I think so what they see you later I think so I think they just put them there in a neighborhood and then they they were like well We gave them we gave them the things we gave them infrastructure

We gave them places to get clean needles and basically we're just like boom y'all just stay here We're not gonna put any of the fancy restaurants or any of the fancy stores here because you notice in Vancouver It's like five blocks north. That's over and that was a gas town Gaston it's not again gas towns where it's nice and sweet and you can see the dividing line Yeah, it's like oh, they just stopped putting shit in Over here they just let them and so the rich stay over on that side simply because the shops are over there and over here There's there's no place for middle-income or anybody else to go to now Most of these people live when they have enough money for a room in single occupancy hotels

the worst of these was Vernon rooms which was said to be a breeding ground for hepatitis and Rumor to be where Vietnamese gang members shot snuff films, but of course, that's just a big room But also there's a there is an American translation. I think there was wrong here They were making snuffle films was just weird erotic videos of people with the colds They were doing but then that well, you know what they got nothing but trouble But honestly the single occupancy rooms kind of sound kind of fun No, no school like private. I like you sit there. We got the you get your typewriter and you're writing a great American novel You drink it hot whiskey. They're not the character from transmit. I mean, they're not writing

They're on heroin. They're shaking in the corner in between different sexual exchanges No, it's much closer to basket case than it is so like a private story. Good reference. Thank you But the cult of Chucky not that bad of a movie I did a fun. It's worth it. It's a worth it. It's a worthwhile watch. Yeah, it's very good I love Jennifer Dilly well the downtown east side street drugs Crack houses brothels pornography studios if it was bad for you that place had it Well, the amazing thing about this place is that it usually isn't violent Not unless you're a sex worker

This area could easily have been described as a playground for serial killers for about 20 Years as we said last episode Gary Ridgway was set to claim at least a few victims here When Ridgway was caught police found a map of the lower mainland of Canada in his truck and a musician named Gary big That's big with two G's His girlfriend used to have a good time in Ridgway's RV when he came to town and then there was Gilbert Paul Jordan Jordan particularly targeted first nations women who make up somewhere around 15% of the sex workers in the downtown east side, but around 40% of murder victims in the area from what I can tell Native sex workers are Vancouver's version of the least dead much like black sex workers are treated here in the United States

In fact, this story shares quite a bit with the story We told oh so long ago about South Central LA in South Central LA in the mid 80s It was suspected that there were up to six different serial killers targeting black sex workers Including the grim sleeper the body count was in the high Dozens and no true investigation took place in fact back then you hear stories about the LAPD when they would find a black prostitute They would write DNI on the body bag, which just stood for do not investigate Well because to them that they didn't want to crack open the hornest nest Yeah, they feel like this idea of like oh if we go in there and mix it and also they just

They just didn't give a shit and so we're gonna find out the same thing with the Vancouver police and just how deeply they didn't serve their country It's like it's really fucked up during this time. Yep under policing is also very dangerous Yeah, it absolutely is now the same type of thing was happening at the same time in Vancouver For example the aforementioned Gilbert Jordan's emo was to force native women to drink deadly amounts of liquor So he could watch them die of alcohol poisoning. Good Lord. That's like what that's like Ed Larson to himself Yeah, I know am I I feel like I'm that's I have to think about my life Now this guy was active for decades It was so well-known by

Name that cops made a joke out of it when they found a native woman who had died from alcohol poisoning They'd say oh we got another Jordan S. Kier. Whatever. She's they just didn't care enough to prove it Right terrible. I guess that is a very difficult to prove alcohol poisoning It's it's difficult to prove but you know they knew they knew that this guy was doing shit And it wasn't I guarantee it wasn't the only fucking thing that he was doing. No, they just needed to look into it They just needed to have some sort of proof and they finally got it at least a little bit in 1988 23 years after Jordan's first suspected murder Even then it was just manslaughter, and he only got six years

Wow Gilbert Paul Jordan. It sounds like he could have been a horrible clothing designer as well But he went he went another way with it. I make it's all over all's it's all over all's and the best part about it Is it your dick and hang out the side? I love my new it's called it's over most Oh, I see there was another two possible serial killers besides this guy in Picton going in the 80s from 1982 till 1989 14 women were killed eight were strangled pointing towards Ridgeway five were stabbed and one was bound and tortured Despite all this the Vancouver Police Department refused to admit that there was even one serial killer much less for what are they doing? Think about how much work it is to investigate one serial killer never mind four as soon as the shit starts piling up It's like we got the hobbits in a Vancouver Police Department that are looking at this shit and basically just saying like oh

This will stop eventually This will all eventually stop and then we can all get back to like oh you guys we could take those ski shots together We can go axe throwing we can do anything. Oh, we but we just need to once we get to May I'm certain All of this will die down But isn't this should if you get into the police force you become a detective a serial killers on the loose Wouldn't this be why you got in isn't this exciting and then to have four of them I don't understand how you don't just flip this and be excited to go to work every day and try to hunt a killer

It's not up to you. It's not up to the detectives. It's not up to the beat cops It's up to the people at the top It's up to the people at the top. Have you never seen the wire? No, I haven't I was watching cult of Chucky For quite a while now or any cop show. No, I haven't any I watched NYPD blue growing up and I saw Dennis Franz's ass and that has traumatized you should watch the first 48 Oh, I do watch it. I love the first 48 Cuz talk about what what I'm like cuz first 48 is like those are cops working hard and they still look bored and you still are just like Well, you know, it's just they're just so broken by how many fucking dead bodies

They see a week that they're just out there. Just like yep, they're on the slab, but they work hard They do first 48 a great docu series. Yeah, these people do work hard But without I mean like Henry you're saying serial killer investigations are very difficult and they're very expensive Okay, and if you don't get the funding and the support from up top Then nothing is gonna happen and we're about to get into just how the Vancouver police department rejected all of that These politicians are in there thinking about candy They gotta start funding the police to get detectives to find these serial killers You just pivoted three times good lord the RCMP remember the Royal Canadian Mounted Police the Canadian Canada's version of the FBI they even

Oh The RCMP even tried to help out in the early 90s by forming a team of profilers called project eclipse But that went nowhere because the Vancouver police department had no idea what to do with their findings Nor did they want to know now some give the VPD the caveat that profiling was still pretty new at this point But for fuck's sake profiling had been used to capture people back in the fifties and the FBI's behavioral science unit had been around since 1972 they have no fucking excuse here damn dog me Marcus parks is on fire I've been getting so fucking worked up about this this week

And if you want to see evidence of just how lazy ignorant and spiteful the VPD could be look no further than Kim Ross mo Ross mo was a world Renowned profiler who actually worked in the Vancouver police department not only did they refuse to use him at any time But they actively and openly despised him boom shaka laka from way downtown Marcus Park He's on fire goes the dynamite Honestly Ross mo was the kind of guy though where that would ask at the end of class Teach your teacher. You forgot to give homework like that kind of guy, which is what you want for me as a police officer I would like somebody who takes his job like way too seriously rather than a bunch of guys

Essentially fly fishing out of their fucking garbage cans in their office The Ross mo developed a system called geographic profiling which Hypothesizes in most cases correctly that serial killers start with areas They're most comfortable with then expand that area more and more the longer they go without getting caught he sure he built an Entire computer program like it was a topographical program It was brilliant and he went all over the world You know he consulted on thousands of cases in countries all across the world and helped out and a lot of them and considering How Willie started with girls picked up near the rendering plant then moved to other locations up and down the east side

This would have been the perfect tool for them to use look at where the victims were last seen find out who spends a lot Of time in that particular area and go from there But the men in the VPD who impeded Ross mo at every turn were only concerned with how much attention Ross mo got from his brilliant profiling work and Resented the fact that he had jumped high in the ranks because of his skills Oh my goodness the infighting not saving lives believe me when we were doing the program I forget what it is. We've done this discussion before and we always forget where you get the stickers and the button You get the free pizzas for reading a book in elementary school. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, but the pizza hot pizza club

Yeah, I was racking up So many free pizzas because number one love pizza of course number two I loved to read Genuinely even as a child and so I'm out there bam bam sinking sinking fucking shots right on the three-fro line That's a books. I'm a spring bing bing the jealousy. I got I got on my back I understand where Ross most coming from. Yeah, well, you know I did very well in that as well because I learned all you have to do is have three facts about the book. Yeah cheat You just go through you open up for random pages. You'll pick up three facts

And then you just kind of lie I read that book. I bet the book is gotta It's got a dog in it. Yeah Oh finds a flower in it Caban Jim and you're actively just looking at the book in front of me. I'm reading it. Yeah It's got a it's got a talking cheese in it. Yeah, so And then you're so physically intimidating to the teachers. They were just giving you pizza. Oh, I was thinking was this that easy I just think they were giving you points. I was I was just one of the average ones in seventh grade

I didn't hit my spurt until 13. Well me and and me and Henry man We were getting free pizzas left and right and we were doing it. Honestly, and we're all together now Well the guys that were impeding Rosmo's investigation, they were known in the police department as the old boys club. I Never want to know what the old boys club is like Cigar ash the salami the disgusting. What's the name of those little fit anchovy? Honestly, would you the three things you just said are great so And these guys were petty as fuck with all this to an extremely Canadian

They would change meeting rooms not tell Rosmo and then chastise him for being late They cut his office supply budget, so he couldn't buy enough paper Paper is expensive Where is my damn stapler? I don't I had I swear to God I had a new box of state I had a whole new box of staplers and state and staples in here Yeah, yeah, and the strangest thing is I'm stapling all four of the sides of my papers with these four staplers You know you dickheads are the problem with you're right people like me never get any work done. I don't know why you don't have a stapler In another time someone needed a bulletin board, so they just came in and took Rosmo's without saying a word

Hey guys guys I need that guys guys. I'm in the middle of a crime scene Well had they just listened to the man in the police department who spent half a decade Screaming that there was a serial killer on the loose They could have saved dozens and it wasn't just Kim Rosmo either the Vancouver Sun did some fantastic investigative reporting To really get the attention that this case deserved Yeah, and there were people in the downtown East Side that were there every single day I mean if I'm getting this worked up about all this like imagine the people that were down there for it that had been down

There for decades watching these women disappear one by one by one and the police doing nothing case workers The families of the victims all of these people in the area other sex workers that are just in a watching their friends Just disappear off the street. It was incredibly incredibly dangerous And it got to a point where it's like I wish there was so with the I wish the outreach It went so far as to help them get out of those neighborhoods instead of just making them happy to be there Well, there was I was actually talking to our new intern Rachel the other day And she has a friend that actually spent like a year in the downtown East Side like writing a paper really studying like everything that went around down there and

She told me that in those needle exchange programs They actually have a room upstairs. That's a read that's a detox facility But the problem is is that the detox facility doesn't get as much funding as the other You know as the needle exchange and all the other shit like the detox program is almost an afterthought And that guy is actually a listener. So hello. Hello Hello, and it wasn't just the cops. It was the higher-ups too Even one of Vancouver's mayors in the late 80s essentially said that it was a terrible thing that all these women were dying But what can you do? What can you do?

Hey, I welcome their names Mayor Griskens I had years a couple of fun things to do around here I know there's a lot of women dying, but I tell you what you can't do you can go up to Paul Kinkwit You get yourself a four-foot hole and I used to bring your old lady up there You sit there and you got some good fishing going and then you get a moose to come out of the room come out of the woods They're right begin to make love to your wife. You videotaped sort of a moose film

Cock-hold, cock-a-moose a cock-hold film. What does this have to do with the missing sex workers in Vancouver's downtown Eastside? What can you do? When you ask what can you do? Now it's possible that Willie's first victim was Wendy Louise Allen who disappeared from the streets on March 30th 1979 she was the first of many to go missing altogether that could be in some way Linked to Picton over the next 20 or so years. The next was Rebecca Guno who disappeared on June 22nd 1983 followed by Yvonne Marlene Abagosis on New Year's Day 1984 and this falls in line with what we know about serial killers

The gap between the first and second victim is usually pretty big right the thrill the killer gets from the murder last long It's because it's fresh and it's the first time he's ever like fulfilled his fantasy And so then he really is writing on it and he's probably really worried about where it's what's gonna happen with the body What's gonna happen afterwards? He's gonna get caught and then it's like all of a sudden you so things can build up And then all of a sudden number two starts to really pop in his head around the horizon Sometimes it can be years between number one and number two, but that cool-down period gets shorter and shorter every time I knew you were gonna laugh bet between number one and number two if it takes years between number one and number two

You gotta change your diet Infuse even some candy or fiber just get something in there. It should not take that long I see I see what you're doing right there eating a lot of protein eating a lot of carbs right there Shouldn't be doing this you need to be eating a lot of sun chokes. That's what I got I ate close to a pound of sun chokes last night, and I farted myself awake Celo did in the plane ride that you were on Now the cool-down period gets shorter and shorter every time which is usually how these guys get caught But if nobody gives a fuck about the victims and nobody's watching out in the areas

They're being taken from then the killer can have multiple slip-ups before anyone pays attention as we'll see in spades With Willie Picton now the earliest known story is of the grapevine sort But in 2004 a former sex worker in the downtown east side said that a friend of hers actually filed a report of kidnapping and assault against Picton in 1984 the story is Unverified but it falls in line with both Pictons and the Vancouver police department's patterns Nothing was done, and it wouldn't be the last time Willie would escape the law and part of this had to do with the crew He ran with I will say that's the one difference between Picton and a lot of the other serial killers

Is that he had a crew like he had a bunch of people around him? He had his brother he had people like in that hole like and the more people he brought into the world of the pig farm There were more people there that were then complicit with his crimes, which then made them have to be Secretive about it right so so you'll see I think that really protects them a lot of the time as the fact that he has a lot There's a lot of trickle down to get to him. Yeah, it does seem a little bit strange though It's not like this guy was you know a senator son. He's a pig farmer I just don't see how he was an untouchable by the law enforcement like we can't deal with that We don't take down the Picton family well the best pig farmers around will actually get into why you know

Like there there are actual reasons why I mean first of all Willie Picton and Dave Picton were millionaires They're a huge business people in the center of like Vancouver. These guys were running a massive industry. Yeah Yeah, yeah now late last episode we talked about the criminal endeavors of the Picton brothers and the complicitness of Willie's brother Dave cannot be Understated in this story in fact a lot of the dirt bags that hung around the Picton farm can share the blame here Part of the reason was because they were all awful people as well These were fucking terrible scum bags that hung around the Picton farm and have you seen a picture of Dave? No, Dave looks like you know that guy with the big crazy beer

That's that that hotel chain mascot. He like he also sort of looks like the other dude from the game of Thrones I sound like my mother right when I'm describing things now Let's just give I'll give you an example of just Dave Picton in particular being an absolute huge piece of shit in the early 80s Dave sexually assaulted a young woman who was working as a flag girl for one of his construction projects because that was Dave's part of The business Dave did construction and demolition specifically Dave was charged as the trial junior He sent some of his biker friends around the girl's house for a little witness intimidation And this was something that the Picton brothers would do again and again, and that's part of why People didn't report Willie Picton when they knew shit was weird or wrong

That's part of why even when we get into in the third episode when we get into the most baffling of Willie's escapes The intimidation factor has a lot to do with it But in this case Dave was still found guilty, but he was only fined a thousand dollars fine probation What's fine and probation? Oh my goodness? I'll tell you what dude let the piggy mafia Stinky piggy There you got there because the bikers are just as smelly as pig farmers sure and you're out there man Just their waves of flies Would be a lot to deal with it's like walking amityville horror everywhere. They go

So there's some systemic issues going on here in Vancouver when it comes to letting these scumbags get away with all these horrible things Yeah, now over the years the Picton farm became a place for all the low lives of Vancouver and Coquitlam to drink hang out and relax And even though everyone's still called Dave Piggy behind his back He was still in charge of the whole damn thing Well, he was also one of those guys that like to brag about his criminal connections He liked to brag that he knew some Hells Angels. He liked to brag that he knew like one of Vancouver's most notorious criminals This guy was like a crack cocaine kingpin. He tell everybody that he knew these people He's still just piggy behind their backs though

Yeah, and also I'm sure that those people love to hear him talk and shit about them and Explaining how he knows them as much as possible. There's nothing like big secret like criminals love is for everyone to tell everyone all of their Business. Oh, that's not a surefire way to get yourself wearing smet moots and boots and beat on the bottom of the lake No, absolutely not talk about them Well, Dave was kind of the social butterfly of the scene But nobody paid a whole lot of attention to his weird brother Willie All anyone knew in the 80s was that you never went into Willie's room. Why would you want to? I don't know A one-girl friend of Dave's who breached Willie's boundaries got a death threat and a glass of milk in her face

For wandering into his basement. That's called starting a Canadian do it. Oh It's worse than being slapped in the face with gloves. Yeah, so he's just sitting in his basement slamming whole milk Yeah, well, I mean he's just like cuz I mean we've got another milk man another We might have to start banning milk milk the problem milk is a problem It's becoming one is also politically a problem Like it's but Willie picked an imagine that too because you've got the guy that's the big like probably fake hard ass I Talk about all his criminal connections. You got bikers hanging out. He's covered. He's the the hard ass of the entire Industry he's got a nice beard. He's telling about his connections, but then he's got the other brother Willie that's

Essentially creepier. Oh, it's kind of wanders around and then they have to all like because you know Dave compensates for Willie Like he'd say like a weird juice like oh, is that right Willie and Willie be like, yeah? Willie's different. Willie's my brother. You say anything about Willie. You'll be like he gets super to protective of him Yeah, well, he'd always say that Willie was a futile short of a load. Okay What that means? It's a construction thing. Okay. Well Willie was the guy the reason why they were going to his room is because Willie was the guy They they pick on they'd like to make what like Willie was one of those guys that it was He was super funny when he got mad

No Willie also kept pets one was a vicious dog Willie would feed raw meat and the other was a hulking hog that terrified even the bikers who hung out at the Picton Place will he just let this huge hog chase people around and he'd laugh and he'd laugh and then Eventually he'd come and call the hog off because the only person the hog would answer to is Willie Do we know if the dog or the pig were friends? Unusual animal friendship for Netflix that would have been great. That's a QP size criminal animal friendship. Oh It's criminal animals that are also friends. Oh, wow Well the one thing that Willie would try to do to win people over was to offer them free meat. Hey, hey, that's great

That's no most said that the meat that Willie tried giving away was rancid. Oh, but others just ate it willingly They're bikers. Yeah, I mean some of like one woman said they Willie tried giving her like a side of beef that had an abscess on it You know like if if meat is ever just handed to you, right? Never take it Common like a wrap thing it should be in like a plastic bag I should at least have some form of presentation. It should never be hand-filled of loose beef, right? No, we don't know for sure if Willie was mixing in his victims with the meat He was handing out but one person who ate Willie's meat swear She got hepatitis C for me. I mean, you know, it's a problem. It's the blame can go anyway

But it finally comes down to it being like oh, it had to have been a meat. I was eating It's kind of like when you wake up super hungover and you're like it was that last beer That's what did to me. Not the hours of drinking. Yeah, she she claims that she would never have gotten hepatitis C Had she not eaten, you know meat from a segment of the population That was known to be a breeding ground for hepatitis to a B and C. Is that a way to get it? Can you eat your way to hepatitis C? I don't know. I hope not. Yeah, I'll tell you what Now the people around the compound like I said, they'd all play pranks on Willie if you could call them pranks Now since Willie hated getting wet even into adulthood people would start waterfights around

He starts sort of shooting eggs out of his back This guy's like Jason Vorreys. Yeah, he didn't water He didn't have getting drenched and people would point and laugh at him and he would actually like jump up and down like Yosemite Sam He also he had redhead he had bright orange hair like Yosemite Sam too. God, I would have loved to see that. This guy is still alive, right? Yeah, if you see him throw water on him, just see what happens Even though Dave egged all this on and in some cases led the torment of Willie The two still work together on a day-to-day basis every morning Dave Willie and their employees would get together and have breakfast at a

Coquitlam strip club called the Golden Ears to portion out the work if if your strip club heavily Advertises how good the ears are in the establishment and on the dancers. I don't know if it's gonna be the best location for your bachelor party I don't know. I don't want for breakfast. I don't think it is the best Denny's is where you go for breakfast Well, you just should go what was the place you used to go to kiss old the portholes at the one that had the free hot dogs That was out in Miami, Florida. There's a place called the porthole. I went there with my friend Jason Kepard They had free hot dogs boiled hot dogs the most disgusting thing of all time I do not recommend eat who could ever eat at one of these places What was that place used to go to in Madison smutten eggs smutten eggs, which is sense of clothes

That was not that was not a a jiggle joint strip club They just had they just had smut on the television and then they would serve eggs and my friend used to get bloody Mary's from there And I did not trust the quality of the of the produce smut meaning hardcore full penetration Pornography and then they they closed it. It was a it was a staple It was open for like 40 years. I swear to God everyone used to go there. They just closed it this year I just feel like Guy Ferry would go there and then send the camera crew out like you'd be like, oh, you know This is like sorry guys. This is gonna work out for everybody So you you guys just leave I'm gonna catch up with the rest of the group

And then it's just him being like sometimes the man's got a tape could trip to Flavortown alone Well, even daily strip club meetings weren't enough to cool the tensions between the brothers which built up for years and years And in the early 90s things got so bad that Willie moved out of the basement all together And spent a couple of months sleeping on a bed on top of one of the freezers out in the meat shed like snoopy The world's dumbest cartoon dog Eventually they got Willie his own trailer at the back of the property near the slaughterhouse and Willie was happy to finally have some privacy But as much as he valued that he still had friends now ironically throughout his life

Willie always had at least one close female friend. How how does it happen? Where is the charm? I just don't get it. I think there's a thing in a weird conservative side of criminality, right? Where it's the kind of this idea of we're better. We're better than everybody else. We're a part of the piggy mafia We're familiar. We're la costra pigstra You're like with each other hanging out But a part of it is this right he so he gets a you gets a woman who also views herself to be above sex workers Like he is and they both sit and talk up talk shit about everybody else We're on the same page and also there are people that look to him

I think also like a charity case which we'll get to as well as we go deeper into this actually I think it's the exact opposite of that Willie bought his way in all this interesting He would what what he would do is that he would you know because Willie was a fucking millionaire He would just he would buy women groceries He would pay their bills and he wouldn't be he just wasn't horrible to him That's all it was is that he would buy them shit and he wasn't horrible to him And a lot of these women like they were all a lot of them were getting out of horrible abusive relationships Okay, well, yeah, maybe if it's a perfect storm because this guy he's surrounded by flies. He smells like the inside of a human colon

I just don't understand how anyone would want to hang out with him But I suppose if they are that desperate for friendship This is a kind of a small town in some ways in some ways as long as you're funny. It's you can get anybody Yeah, maybe Willie well one of these women was Tanya Carr She was a friend of Dave's daughter Tammy Tanya had been keeping her horse at the Picton farm for years and when she fell on hard times in 1994 She moved into Willie's filthy stinking pig shit cover trailer for 18 months. Good God But she said it was more like living with an uncle than anything. I would never live with my uncle. Yeah, that sounds horrible

She just made it even worse She said he never tried anything and he never got appropriate despite the two share in a bed She'd just go to work at a me go pancake house, which is still open by the way Oh She used to go to Willie Picton's fucking bathroom. She used to take a shower in there Yeah, walk on and then go serve flapjacks Slapjacks are the they soak up the most of all of the world flapjacks absorb the most stuff Yeah

ma'am I found a Hair in my flapjacks and my eggs also seems to have multiple hairs If you put it on the very tippy-eye finger and you blow it off and make a wish she'll come true And hopefully that wishes for hepatitis C Because you got it. You got it Well after she came up after she came home from Amigos pancake house. She just helped Willie out on the farm. So they had this nice little symbiotic relationship going on But here's what's interesting is that no women went missing from the downtown east side while Tanya was living with what Willie?

So it's assumed that he wasn't active at all during that time In fact Willie stayed good for three years from 1992 till 1995 that makes them very similar to Gary Ridgeway Yeah, again It's like there's something about having fulfilling close intimate relationship that will allow you to kind of to pop out of it Which is what what have we talked about it again and again with serial killers So a lot of these guys if they could figure out how to breach the gap Socially that they would have been saved early on but mostly it's because they're losers and they can't figure out how to communicate And that's why they start murdering

Yeah If Willie hadn't been a millionaire and been able to buy his way into all this shit first of all He would have been caught much sooner, but I think he would have reached berserker mode a lot sooner Okay, but when 1995 came Willie took four women down to his farm never to return and Stevie Cameron actually had testimony in on The farm the book where we're taking a lot of this information from she got an interview with a survivor Around this time, which gives us a little insight into Willie's possible motivations Tracy Bunyan was picked up from the downtown east side by Willie who was looking for a blow job He was out on the town

He had his cane, you know, he had his wing he had his rings on you just seen cats He was looking for a blow job out on the town flipping a coin. No, Tracy said she almost didn't get into the truck because the smell was so Disgusting she said Willie's trailer was more the same if not worse But as a professional she went through with it and the other thing that she noticed about the trailer was that it was full of Clothes, you know specifically women's clothes Yeah, and once they were done Willie started saying he couldn't find his wallet and he cues Tracy of stealing it Willie picked up a knife and cut two buttons off her shirt Tracy just backed up and walked outside and eventually Willie came out and drove her back to Vancouver

And she said the whole way back He talked about how he liked to help working girls kick their drug habits He told Tracy that he only gave these girls one chance and if they relapsed then they didn't deserve to live and were better off Dead yeah, and this type of thing is not uncommon at all in the serial killer world We've seen this a lot right because you basically again It's the series of allowances you're setting up a system of rules of like this is what happens This is what has to happen in order for me to kill I can change the rules anytime I want I could hasten up the process as much as I want but a part of it

It's like as soon as it's clicked and it's like you got to work yourself up Yeah, and then you can also victim blame right and be like well They didn't follow the rules they relapsed or whatever yep, and nonsense exactly like Eileen Wernos He's a great example of this. She had to convince herself that her victims were gonna sexually assault her before she had the rage She needed to pull the trigger and since she had built it up so much in her mind She was able to convince herself that she was doing a great service right and picked him was the exact same way He was known to pick up the girls in the downtown east side that had the worst drug habits playing the white knight He was gonna help him kick but when they inevitably asked for drugs

Willie would use that as an excuse for murder Rationalizing it by saying they didn't deserve to live it is a very deep Dark Extrapolation of the nice guy syndrome because that's what it is too is that he had this kind of idea that he's better than everybody else I have now made a bunch of money and a part of it I think that's a validation for it and then he sees what he views as the positive effect He's had on women's lives by dumping money into their life, right? And so now he's just like I can choose to give this gift or not

And if you decide to reject it, then I'm just gonna kill you which makes him with I like this He is a missionary serial killer. Yeah, that's that is true Which is a very interesting side of him where he is just like he just thinks he's the best thing that ever happened to these girls Yeah, horrible He's a missionary serial killer in the same way the Eileen Wernos is a missionary serial killer in the way same way that Gary Ridgeway is a missionary serial killer is that these people believe that they're doing a service to mankind That's how they rationalize everything. I don't want to make light of any of this stuff, but I am thinking super soakers Yes, just soak this guy

Immediately just always be armed with a super soaker. So yeah in other words like if we just knew his cuz he has Achilles heels Water, so you think that like all the downtown east side women should have like treated it like earn a scared stupid Yes, yes, baby. I don't I'm not I'm just like the aliens from signs like that's what this is What a scumbag. I mean call Willie what you will as far as this whole missionary serial killer thing goes But he was no hypocrite. This guy was bone sober Always the only time he had ever drank in his entire life was the night before he set off through America in the 70s on his ill-fated cherry pie trip and that's why we'll see that I think the dope is the thing that made was his very Specific trigger because he made it his whole thing of being like if I can stay so burdened the world that I live in

Everyone should be able to and that's the only way to live Is there any credence to the idea that these cops were like well? He's killing Sex workers who were addicted to heroin. I guess we're not that against what what's happened? I can definitely see that I think that there is obviously a stripe in that we're gonna find out too when it comes into Once we get into what the pig farm turns into how all that good that old boys club kind of expanded to the pig farm Yeah, and at some point they're almost allowing it to happen. Yeah, I mean they don't care That it's one less person for them to worry about that's how like cold some of these I mean and there's any on that that is not to say that like all cops and detectives think this way

There are a ton of them that really work hard to solve these cases, but there are plenty of cops around The entire country hell in in the entire world just people in authority figure positions That just don't want to deal with it and they want their job to be easier by any means Necessary and if that means people have to die then so be it kissle one day You're gonna be a senator and you'll be invited to one of these skull and bones party and it's gonna be you Hillary Clinton Henry Kissinger kept alive on a fucking machine Watching a mute Asian girl dance on a sword and they're gonna be like you are you ready for this? This is like this is hilarious and they're gonna be laughing. They're like, oh, this is almost as good as young Sheldon

Love young Sheldon Well throughout Willie's life He always made an extra special effort to portray himself as a good guy who'd always help people when they were down I hate people like this. Oh, yeah, but always. I'm the nice guy. Yeah, I'm the nice guy But he also he wanted people to think that he was a good guy that people could Depend on him trust him. Yeah that they could trust him and he did this Particularly with women either as a way to cleanse himself of his sins through some weird You know like backwards roundabout way or to just throw people off his trail

Hmm, but an incident when Willie was a child points to something possibly a little deeper He once gave a bag of hot nugs to a little girl named Lisa Yelts The three it's like Pennywise the clown Canadian Former version of it Lisa. I I've been noticing you for a long time I've been watching you from the Baca class and It's been hard. You know, I want to be able to say something to you. Yeah, that's yeah, what's what do you want to say? It's a pookie of hot dogs

This is what you call when you group together a bunch of hot dogs and you give it like it's flowers. Well, you know Robert that's really nice. I I'm a vegetarian Yeah, you saw some hot dogs from his parents meat locker and gave this little girl a whole bag of them That's kind of that's sweet. It's kind of sweet, you know, like it is like he sort of I don't know. He gave what he knew. He knows hot dogs and he gives them Yeah, and through chance those two Willie Picton and Lisa Yelts would meet up years later And she would become one of the most important people in Willie's life for a time Okay

Now Lisa Yelts was the mother of one of Dave Picton's children and for some reason she and Willie just got along Well, yeah, he gave her hot dogs Well, Lisa was the only person around the Picton farm who could ever get Willie to take a bath According to an interview she gave and on the farm. She'd say something like this to Willie Willie, you're getting a little ripe there I think you need a bath and a change of clothes here pal because you're getting a little rude there is It's like I didn't even give you hot dogs at all the way you're treating me Again the relationship never got sexual but sometimes they cuddle a bit a contrary to what people said about Willie

Not being able to have standard sex Lisa said she woke up more than once with a boner in her back Hey, hey, you like my Willie alarm clock It's wake up time. You know, I could tell the rope got long. It is amazing that there were people around this guy My head around it honestly Willie Picton was rarely Alone in life like he would be kind of a solitary guy on the farm But like in life. He always had like a couple of people around he had friends throughout his life He's not like a Ted Bundy looking dude. I mean he's a no He's just another dirt bag, but I guess they're all dirt bags

They're all yeah, this is the quality of his company is not very high I think this is a group of very strange human beings, okay Now Lisa and Willie would even go on little dates together One night Willie took her out to see a kid's magic show in New Westminster And Lisa said Willie would clap and laugh at every trick bewildered at the skills of the magician Tell me wizard I could say I made that little ball disappear, but tell me can you make a hooker disappear? As as mr. Picton. Oh my god, of course he liked magic, of course What do you mean you love magic? I like magic. No, but not like that. You love no

I'm not gonna clap like a seal I can't how did it happen? How did it occur? Yes, you love illusory magic. I do. Yeah, you're a card trick guy Well, what happened? Even though Yelts claims to have never known anything about Willie's other life She said she always got a particular vibe from him. She said I always had it in the back of my mind that Willie could be a serial killer, but I was never afraid of him myself I knew he would never hurt me, but everyone else. Yep Yeah, if it's in the back of your mind, I say bump it up

And then get it to your mouth and then go to the plate get your little feet to the please Happen to think your friend might be a serial killer might be might be so even though Willie would describe himself as quote-unquote Only a pig man throughout the years. He ran what it's like It's like a sad school. I like I'm just a bill I'm only a big man Throughout the years he ran quite a few other side businesses out of the Picton farm with his brother Dave Their first endeavor was cock fights. I just don't understand the entertainment value of cock fights I like watching humans fight like I like even just a bare-knuckle fight

Sure, like I would be down with something like an octopus fight Chickens is going at each other. It's just not that entertaining like I don't think it's gross I just don't think it's very fun, especially after watching the great documentary. I believe it's on iTunes It was on Netflix chicken people You have to watch chicken people if you haven't seen chicken people that is a must-see on the queue Now using connections with the Filipino butcher Willie had worked with since the 70s Dave and Willie put on all-day all-night cock fights every Sunday for Vancouver's Filipino population Now while the cock fights were a great success the business they started after that in 1995 was even more lucrative

Since the Pictons have been hosting parties at the no they made a lot of money these cock No thousands upon thousands of dollars every Sunday the Filipino men $1,000 on a cock named Barry But that's why I like battle bots because you can bet but their machines Oh, yeah, I mean well these guys had a great I mean they had a division of labor Dave was out there taking bets Willie was Backstage getting all the chickens ready. He's clean up the dead ones He'd put all the little spurs on their feet. I put the shoes on a chicken

David does all the drinks and all the money and organize all stuff My whole job is I put the shoes on the chicken and I put the goggles on the chicken And the hardest part is common to chicken because you know what you have to do Oh Hours and hours Yeah, Willie, I'm gonna ask you Do you ever feel bad if you if you put the shoes on the chicken you relate to the chicken and then the chicken goes and dies in The ring that must feel kind of maybe just make you sad, you know, I could be sad

But it's like nothing has ever made me feel a single thing Oh, and so it's like it's like a weird I look at it I mean like I should be sad right now, but then it's like but think about how happy Sophia Vergara will be once that his chicken is turned into concealer for her. Oh, I see, okay Yeah, and then besides just those two those two they also had the Filipino butcher. His name was Pat Casanova What a Casanova he was yeah, they had him cooking up barbecue pig. Oh, yeah So they had these they had two big revenue streams like they had so much of they were selling so much barbecue pig That Willie and Pat were like butchering pigs

They had to store them in these big meat lockers so they'd have enough meat for every Sunday And the other thing about that is that every once in a while like it was like an actual food business Yeah, every once in the freezers kept breaking down and the pigs would get very warm but the food inspectors kept coming by and shutting them down and Instead of cleaning things up They just wait like a month until they knew the food inspector wasn't gonna come back for a while and then just they just opened back up Okay, oh great great great stuff The Canadian the Canadian infrastructure is really working there Filipino barbecue a little pig. Oh, that's good though. Oh, yeah

I mean, it's fantastic. I know it's bad. I bet it was fantastic meat Honestly, it does sound like a fucking great Sunday. Yeah seeing a cock fight is on the side You know, you're having a couple of drinks for eating delicious barbecue. I don't I'm starting to get sold I gotta get out of this. Yeah, not the cock fight part of the cock fight. Yeah, if they were presenting fun chickens Yeah, just like it. Oh, you mean a chicken show or a dog show It's called a chicken parade chicken parade. I love it No, the since the picked ins have been hosting parties at their place for years They figured he might as well make some money off it

He got the idea as he was tearing down a country bar in a strip mall called the boo pub He salvaged as much of the bar as he could and opened up the piggy palace on the picked in farm since everyone called him piggy He's like fuck it. Let's call it the piggy palace and they officially incorporated it as the piggy palace good time society Oh my goodness. I really love it. Okay Hold on. So, okay, so this man now. How many people has he killed by the time he opened up the piggy palace 1995? Man, I don't worry. We're in some high numbers. We're dead. We're in double digits without double if not more If not, it's definitely in the teens if not the 20s. So this guy is a man about town Everyone knows he owns the piggy palace. Well, he doesn't necessarily he doesn't necessarily own the piggy palace

Dave is the one that really owns the piggy palace. I mean Willie kind of owns it with him He's just doing all of the dumb shit work on the farm. Yeah, okay Basically, Dave is running everything. Will he's the weird dude who's hanging out in the background. He was a he's the Charlie Murphy Yeah, I see For a while or it's a we're later It's like he would show his true colors like Charlie Murphy did it as well with someone who can also stand on his own At this point was just kind of a hanger on yeah Yeah, all right. Well, they should have remade that movie coyote ugly call it piggy palace

Now we have ourselves a true horror story for the time and how brave it would be how brave brave and these guys they went All in with the piggy palace. They hired security. They hired door people bartenders They had bands come in and play every Saturday night. Do we have any idea what bands were there? You got the rush cover man Clush Also, they're a rush cover band Tom Sawyer's best friend The two rush cover bands that are the best you've got The the Willie picked in band. Oh, we just let him just go up there and play on a bucket They don't laugh and throw chicken parts at him and you'd be like, thank you. Thank you like in like in the house of a thousand corpses That's exactly what I am thinking. Yes. Yeah, yes running down a dream

Of course the Tom Petty and the heartbreakers cover band RIP Tom Petty So sad honestly, it's incredibly sad. I'm sad that we brought it up On a good night these guys would bring in ten thousand dollars in one night Wow, sometimes they would bring in as much as 40 grand Canadian 40 grand Canadian. Can you imagine if this was on bar rescue? Just be like Willie, do you notice the waitress is stealing some stealing some of your money there? She's charging extra for the drinks and pocketing the extra two dollars. That's her job And with everyone coming in and having a great time on his land Willie picked and figured he'd try his hand at being one of the cool kids

He decided it was time to finally polish up his look after all these years He took a shower Wow, and a friend said it was the first time he'd never smelt pig shit on Willie Pickton Wow, I can see him taking a shower and then he comes out of the shower and immediately comes robert pick tone Family matters Shampoong enough for everyone involved caviar Caviar, it's actually just it's clumps of chicken shit, but I call it caviar The other problem Willie had with his own appearance was that he was bald. Oh, so Willie spent about $2,300 on a hairpiece from the hair club for a man. Yeah

It was like it wasn't even it didn't even what they said is that the colors didn't even really match Of course kind of mad but not really and the other thing was is that he never washed it He never took the damn thing off Oh months so he'd go under a car to work on it and he'd come out covered in grease But never thought to watch you do the grease out of the toupee. So he's just a stinky mow from the three stooges Covered in the pig poop. You know what I gotta say the hardest part about being Canadian is the thick hair I just gotta get all the knots out of this Johnny. You notice anything different about me? Your hair looks great. Yeah. Thank you so much I purchased it

Eventually the toupee had to be thrown away Honestly is that I would even kept it a Harold I named him Harold because that boy But once he started speaking to me because it would do stuff like I was just taking them off and putting them Because I'm a little mannequin and I put it on the night when I go to sleep And I would just look over at Harold and I'm like good night Harold and it's like call the police on yourself You're doing horrible crimes. And I was like you gotta get out of here. It is seeing is really it's busted my height So before long guy is so pathetic. He really is so pathetic Yeah, so before long

The piggy palace attracted the attention of the surrounding community because the Pictons had sold off parcels of their land throughout the years Which is part of what made the millionaires because they bought this land for almost nothing Back in I think the 50s or the 60s And then by the time coquitlam grew and grew and grew it was eventually pretty much like a suburb and they even there Was even like a golf course that ran right up to the back of the Picton property Right where Willie lived and Willie just loved terrorizing the golfers. He's a little gremlin out there Honestly, this is like Caddyshack This was just funny if there was no murders in this these would be incredible

Yeah, just a weird bozo the clown looking big shit-covered guy running out of the golf course Snatching up golf balls and running back to his land Hey, give me my golf balls back I got your golf ball here He puts it into the front of his pants. Oh, it's in a sand trap Yeah, all the fancy people in fancy dress please go Hump in the air. Oh my god, if you rewatch Caddyshack, yes, that is true Bill Murray's character is a sociopath. Yeah, possibly yes Yeah, but the piggy palace stayed open and when they were called in the court

They pleaded that everything was for charity Oh, they incorporated the piggy palace good times society as a charity My father did the same exact thing was a part of his motorcycle like gang that he did for a while before the My dad was actually offered a chance to open up the Hell's Angels chapter of new work And he said no because he was gonna be a cop but before that he was a part of a bike gang called the cycle paths and what they would do is they would go around the Neighborhood and they would they would do put up signs say stop the cycle paths And they would do this whole like big fundraiser to stop the menace that is the cycle paths in the neighborhood

They'd get a bunch of money from the people and then they'd buy beer with the money and drink it all night Just raise hell scam. It was a it was an illegal scam operation Terrorized a community and then he went on to be a police officer Which is when we talk about systemic issues within our law enforcement. He was a fun guy back when fun was different You could be had in a different way Well, one of the big things that you got to understand about the piggy palace good times society Was that their parties were regularly attended by off-duty police officers and high-up city officials? Oh my I started going down this line a little bit. I started researching

I saw some really interesting forums on the internet Oh, we're talking about the conspiracies involved with how Willie picked in was maybe used by several high-end different You know people various parts of the government and police officers to clean up quote-unquote clean up the streets And how maybe he was a member of MK ultra and like all this kind of stuff very deep And I was like I was getting very excited until I saw the very end of this guy that was posting all of his really juicy stuff Connecting them to a guy named Doug Marshall that was a guy that was originally acquitted that said that he was a murderer And then they got false evidence like all the shit was kind of questionable Why he was released and all of this shit they said that he was technically innocent

But then they were like maybe he was covered up by the government I was like, oh, there's interesting that the very end of it It was like and then the person posting said and this is how I knew that Willie picked in wasn't killing clones of me Like everyone else is You know and that's how you could tell these sex workers weren't clones because they didn't have the same clone death scenario And it's like hold on was like always insane. There it is start from the bottom I always say with most internet conspiracy if it becomes anti-semitic or just absolutely insane Yeah, just do control like just do control f Zionists

There's a lot of different things that you can control See if like is this gonna be a reliable source Yeah, and this really this may have something to do with why Willie wasn't investigated for so long Not because of any big stupid fucking conspiracy But because these guys were out at the piggy palace every weekend because the piggy palace was apparently funny shit Like it was super fun. They had fans like everybody was partying It's called the piggy palace Yeah, people would actually rent out the piggy palace for like anniversaries and birthdays and shit like that

So everyone loved the piggy palace there did have to be an odor, right? Or yeah, I had to smell like a fuck dude back in a in Lubbock like there was a that where I went to college There was a stockyards outside of town and any time the wind blew from the stockyards All the Lubbock smelled like cow shit Yeah, that wasn't even right next to Lubbock like you could be miles away from the stockyards And you could still smell that cow shit from my my my house I didn't experience like that recently the whole town just smells like like that and it just is what it is Yeah, so it definitely as soon as you got to the piggy palace you definitely had to deal with the smell of pig shit

Well once you get used to it, it's just fine, you know, and you can get used to it real fucking fast. Trust me Very adaptable the human nose. Yeah, you do Yeah, well things wouldn't really get out of hand with Willie picked in until he met accomplice Gina Houston who will meet in part three. Oh my wow Alright, there it is Willie picked in part two. What a maniac what a strange story. I can't think of one quite like this This is a really bizarre story and really, you know, um, like I said like we get this story from on the farm Yeah from this book that's it, you know, it's a amazing investigate a piece of investigative journalism And we're having a really like skip over a lot of stuff with Willie picked in here. So go read the book

It's very long but very detailed. It's you know, I would say it's it's my favorite true crime book of the last couple of years Wow, really, I could not recommend it enough like this the like the full like fleshed out story No, this story is so much fun. I it's not fun. I'm sorry. It's interesting. It's interesting but like the full fleshed out story of Not just this person not just Willie picked in but also Dave picked in a lot of the other She goes into a lot of the other people that hung around the picked in family And of course, you know going into the lives of the victims and going into the lives of the people who worked in Vancouver's downtown east side, you know, the the nurses and the volunteers and the case workers

It's very detailed and it really it puts you there It's a I would recommend this book to anybody who likes true crime. Yeah, I will tell you what though this story Just make me happy. I've showered. Oh, yeah, I feel very clean make me feel clean. I feel clean Yeah, kind of a coyote ugly meets Texas chainsaw massacre. Yeah, very very traumatic stuff here All right. Well, that is that's it for Willie picked in part two. We'll pick it up now Is that gonna be the final installment next one? Yeah, I'm not sure yet. Oh my goodness There's a lot to get to here. We still haven't shaped the rest of it yet So yeah, we just gotta we really have to to get into and we'll see it might be part three

My it might be three parts. It might be four parts. Wow. I haven't started on the next is a bunch. All right These things in case you didn't know these things take a very long time to put together. Yes, they do and that's why we are so Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Thankful for all the patreon subscribers. Thank you all so much for allowing us to do this Yes, always. Thank you so much and you can check out the patreon. How do they get to that? Just go to patreon.com slash last podcast on the left We appreciate anything and everything that you want to give us, you know from a dollar up We always always appreciate it so much. Thank you so much. It's really great Oh, we had a bunch of shit to announce. Yeah, so we got our LA show

I believe is completely sold out in October 28th the LRA theater. There's still I I got an email there They've released a couple more tickets. So those tickets are still available, but there are very few I think there's something like 15 tickets left Okay, so go and get those as soon as you can and there's an opportunity to get two free tickets If you donate to the no-nude dudes clothing drive that we have going on at several locations in Los Angeles Which is at the hyena gallery in Burbank? We've got the bearded lady mystic museum that's over close to Burbank and we've got the Bigfoot Lounge in Glendale We got a box you drop off whatever close

We're looking for men's clothes only because of the concentration of women's clothes that are already out there But any clothes are accepted any sort of items that were like that people could use especially teenagers could use You go drop it off in the in the bucket and then you go and you take a picture of it You put on Instagram hashtag sound Sam Hain gala, which is sour and gala hashtag no new dudes And we'll pick one random person will give you two free tickets to the show. All right It's just that easy and then let's see we have the show in oh my October. Yeah, we're not even talking about our it's October It's time. It's it's time. I feel it in the air. This is our I think it's important Remember this Halloween season. It's not just one day a year

Halloween can be every day if you just let it into your hearts to dress as a creepy skeleton Dress as a skeleton and go to work in May Oh, just as a sexy witch and go to the DMV in a July every once in a while and also I don't know we're gonna have our listener pasta episode coming up We're gonna have people so your people have already if you got scary stories and this time honestly Let's get some fucking good scary shit. I want an abduction story. Oh real bad Oh a real abduction story I was about to say like the fucking pyramid of human heads story in Iraq that we heard last year

It's scary enough. Yeah, we had some more horrifying ones and Yes, no Yes, so we'll do that where can people submit those stories submit those stories to the last podcast network at gmail.com Awesome, and we're gonna be I believe we're gonna be taking those calls on The Thursday before the LA show we're actually we're all gonna be in LA together So we're gonna take those that's from Henry's apartment in LA so that's we're only gonna be taking calls for just that day That's the only day we can get a very finite amount of time So hopefully yeah, we'll we'll get the right calls and yes, and we'll also be taking written submissions

So if there are people out there They want to just type out their story and type it in a fun narrative way You feel more comfortable doing that than just talking us over the phone do that too because that would be all we would read Those alive all out on the show and keep it keep it a little bit short. What do you think five to seven minutes? Yeah, no even shorter than that keep it very short keep it concise Keep that keep that shit on point. Yeah, and of course, we'll do a little editing as well So, you know if it's a little bit too long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right So is that base that's basically it right well

Yeah, follow us on Twitter at Henry loves you at Marcus Parks have been kissal follow us on Instagram at Dr. Fantasty at Marcus Parks had been kissal the number one and follow last podcast and left and all the bullshit at LP on the left All right, everyone hail yourselves hail Satan again. Let's do a maghustalations Sure the hail me and also what I'll say this man Just like just don't go to a pig farm to party unless you know the guy, but they knew the guy That's actually I guess they did yeah, I guess I don't know man I mean this really like the pig farm really the whole thing really reminds me of this place back home called Judd Like or they used to have this party every year called Judd Fest and it yeah, and I've been I've been to a party like this before

God it's fucking awesome. They're a blast. Judd Fest sounds great Judd Fest for the fees for first few years Judd Fest was an absolute fucking blast They just put a country band on a big flatbed trailer and everybody just hang out in a field and get fucking trashed for three days Judd Fest was a fucking blast and technically you were the one that most people thought would be a serial killer No, there were plenty of other candidates besides me all right now Well, maybe that'll be the the competition at the Halloween show in LA Who's most likely yes, that would be actually fun. Make sure you wear your funny costumes for the little highlight show That's it. All right everyone talk to you soon. We'll go to Lations

Goodbye and be sure not to wear a cost be sure not wear a costume that obstructs anyone else's view no wings No way Goodbye Good to go Marcus good to go. All right. It's time for the patreon shout outs. Thank you all so much We also want to plug our hail yourself t-shirt. Yeah, we got this is a limited edition It's limited edition. It's only gonna be on sale for about another week You can go to represent comm slash hell yourself to check it out. Yes. Check it out. All right, everyone Let's start the shout outs Samir Chata. Thank you all so much. Thank you so much hand

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