Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 290: Robert Pickton Part III - Mrs. Pickton

Episode Date: October 13, 2017

On the third part to our series we cover the multiple times in which Willie Pickton could have been caught in the late nineties, including an attempted murder, a witnessed murder, and an attempted murder-for-hire, plus Henry gets deeper on the Vancouver clone conspiracy. 

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started So you guys are aware of the fact that the Illuminati and I'm calling Illuminati because they've been bad. I got that Oh my goodness. They make clones using discarded foreskins. I Didn't know that I was actually I was actually vaguely aware of that really. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what happened to Dan Ackroyd's face? Welcome to the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kissel, Marcus Parks. Hello, and Henry Zabrowski wearing fully clothed in Los Angeles I got close today. There was a bit of a nip in there So I decided not to share the world to my nips. It is a fall day. We are talking. I know I actually

It's 72 degrees set of my apartment. I've made it cold in here. It's 95 degrees outside. Oh, wow. Look at that It's 61 here in New York. That's the weather update for the last podcast on the left We'll go to our helicopter eye in the sky coming up here later on in the show Everything on fire Robert picked in part three. It's all about to fall apart. My god This is about to get intense in 1995 Willie had a victim of his found for the very first time She was never identified but by the time this Jane Doe was found It's probable that Willie had killed up to 20 women I know that it's based off of a John Doe

But just for once if you had an unidentified victim, can't you call it like a Veronica Doe? Yeah An Anastasia Doe. Oh, that would be nice Heather Doe The prettiest gal to ever come from Wisconsin She looks like her name. Then she's promptly was murdered. Oh Oh poor Heather Doe so on February 23rd 1999 a roadside birdhouse and whirly gig salesman named Bill Wilson walked down to a Canadian swamp to fetch a bucket of water to wash off his car You just fuck Henry this guy you can just see the sweat on his brow. Just like no one's buying whirly Gigs anymore. What the hell am I supposed to do? AC's broken in the car. I got the whirly gigs going trying to pick up a breeze But what can you say I got all this pig shit everywhere. It wasn't even from this pig farm was from my home

So I better just pull over to the side of the fucking road for some reason and go to a random creek Wash off in the swamp But instead at just plain old swamp water Bill found half a human skull sitting on a bed of rocks Now while most of us would immediately find a police officer Bill Watson took the Canadian path instead and said he'd get around to it after he gone to his doctor's appointment and dead his afternoon shopping Okay, but by the time he done all that it was time for bingo night. And anyway Because what are they gonna do without bingo night without the whirly Exactly whirly gigs guy got to show up and anyway, he didn't have a phone at home

So he figured he'd sleep off all that chopping in bingo and go to the police station in the morning I know we're making fun of him, but I kind of like it Sort of like this guy Took him until five o'clock pm the next day To amble his way over to a police station report that he'd seen half a human fucking skull in a slough You know sure the guy had a criminal record and didn't want to get involved But still it's half a skull phone in an anonymous tip from the fucking bingo hall. Yeah, it did make sense to me I obviously he had a criminal record, which is why he didn't want to immediately call the police

But the problem is you still call the police Yeah Just don't call the police. It's like one or the other either just don't get involved at all or just do it immediately So you look incredibly guilty for just carrying around a skull or been like I've been knowing about a skull for the last 36 hours Right, right. So he didn't pick up the skull though. He just left it there. He just left it there Yeah, he said at first a boy, you know, it looked like a brown bull Makes sense. Yeah, but when he got closer, it was half a human skull Hmm, so when cops finally got around to the skull

They found that it had been deliberately sliced in half from the back of the head to the front with a powerful saw They figured it'd been done by someone familiar with bone slicing But wasn't done by a medical professional as the cut lines were uneven Oh, hey, Bob Bob tell me, do you know where you ever seen where the bone slicer was maybe yesterday afternoon? I don't know actually let me call him. Maybe beep boop beep boop beep boop This is the bone slicer Damn it, they're bone slicer good. I see how you've been as a family the family as well Thank you for asking my daughter died of an illness

Very good. Very good. Were you slicing any bones yesterday afternoon? No, no, that was four days ago Oh, you're in the clear then you're in the clear. Oh, thank God miss that paperwork Well furthermore, they knew the skull had been in the swamp for no more than a couple of weeks as there was still some flesh attached Including the nose and none of it had been eaten by animals yet But they also knew that the woman who skull this had belonged to had been dead for somewhere between 12 and 24 months Oh my goodness. The bone was covered in a substance called adipocere. What is that? Grave wax

Grave wax builds on bone when the body fat decomposes and mixes with water I'm gonna have so much grave wax on my body. I can't wait Honestly, it sounds like a thing I had at Holman and Fitch in Atlanta like it's Hmm, we scraped the bones after we've buried them and it's 1499. Oh, wow. That's a deal at any price No, they knew the skull hadn't been in the swamp long enough for all this grave wax to form in that location So where could the skull have been? Hmm? Well, it's a pretty good bet that before it was thrown in the swamp This skull had spent some time in Willie Pickton's freezers

We can infer this through two pieces of evidence found on Willie's farm First when Willie's farm was finally searched They found a rib bone that matched the DNA of the skull So we know this woman whoever she was had been killed on the Pickton property when you say rib bones. I still get hungry That's you know Michael Myers the comedian really ruined that Mike Mike Austin powers Second when the freezers and Willie's workshop were searched. They found a further two human heads inside Cut in half exactly the way that Jane does had been cut. All right. What do you you're opening up a refrigerator?

You got Dahmer or picked in which one do you want to open up? What which one is more horrified? Well knowing what? Was found in both. Yeah Here's the difference is that Dahmer had meat ready to go Dahmers was in a fridge. Yes Dahmers was just in a house like in a house like in an apartment Pickton's was in a huge chest freezer Okay, so so you got a way for it to defrost so there's more of suspense there. So oh, okay So you don't want to open picked it. Yes with picked in as far as I'm concerned I assume there to be several several human limbs in one of those big chest freezers, right?

So I think the Dahmer would be more surprising and also the kind of the macabre things the Dahmer did with them like painting of a Cox white and like doing all that and just the Cox because to me that's what really is a Specificity, you seem to be hung up on the Cox It's the it's the it's all of them Sergeant Zabrowski you're you're hung up on the Cox mr. Zabrowski Did you find anything else other than the Cox at the at the Dahmer house? I opened up the fridge and I saw the bowl of Cox The first thing I thought was I saw the little mouths of one of them go

Why didn't you save me? Why didn't you save me cuz Cox are born with mouths? We've lost him Those heads were found on the picked in farm in 2002. Oh, well the Jane Doe was killed somewhere between 1993 and 1994 That means that by the time Willie was finally caught he'd settled into a nice comfortable routine that had already been established At least nine years previous and as we know about killers that have their own homes and their own spaces Is that they really do spread out and they get really really comfortable and there's a way there's a way of doing it every single time

I would now at this point comparing them like an edgine Where his whole house kind of became a play land for him and in Picton's own like weird separate area on the farm He could do whatever he wanted and essentially they like that no one was looking at him because he was the weird brother That was different than his cool Dave looking brother games of throne Dave that was on the other side Where is everyone? No one's looking in these freezers, huh? Willie's his property was way in the back and there was another guy who was around those freezers Remember Pat Casanova, of course Casanova yeah, yeah Pat Casanova was out and about he was around at the time

And Pat Casanova is gonna come back into the story when we talk about the trial and in Canadian Casanova Is anybody with a penis over five inches long? No, we don't know exactly how this skull ended up outside of Picton's property Or why it was the only piece of evidence recovered outside of Willie's farm One of the things we do know is that Willie never disposed of the skulls hands or feet With the rest of the body parts at the rendering plant as all those things are distinctly Human and would be recognized should a worker take a peek inside the barrel and that's up and they won't call the police They just won't render the meat, right? I mean take it somewhere else. Willie take it somewhere else. She a funny

This is funny though We're all laughing because we work at the rendering plant and everything as about a whole lives is upside down and bad But thank you for coming. Thank you for your business. Don't don't stop coming Distinctly human like loving Frazier That is a distinctly human thing. Yes No, the only scenario I can see is Willie was on his way to the plant to dispose of his latest victim's body He somehow realized he'd left an obvious human body part one of the barrels He picked it up threw it out the window rather than risk traveling around with it

So this is sort of this is a this is a blooper reel or a serial killer. It is this is a blooper, okay? So by early 1997 Willie's numbers were approaching 30. Hmm. That's when he picked up Sandra Gale Ringwald one of the few women that we know of that survived a violent encounter with Willie picked it Now a lot of the women on the downtown east side were understandably a little apprehensive of going all the way out to cook Quitland from Vancouver, especially with the rat-faced pig shit smelling weirdo like Willie picked it You know what's interesting is that I was trying to like scan my mind to try to figure out like exactly what picked and smelled like and I crossed the over here in my neighborhood. They have dog shit Garbage cans that are only for dog shit really and they just sit in the California Sun all day

Becoming something else and as you go past it. It's just like oh Oh, that's picked in his feet. Oh, that is brutal stuff And I hope no one rummages through those garbage cans. Why would you I don't know? I saw a bunch of people rummage in the other day I'm just saying that's not that's not the garbage can to rummage through. It's only dog shit Yeah, it's got a big it's got a big like poop thing on it Yeah, the only guys going through that is the the weirdest saddest veterinarian Scatologist like the guy out there who's just either trying to tell futures from dog shits or is eating them

Well, I feel bad for the city worker. That's got to clean up all the garbage cans. It's full of dog dung Oh, I saw a story tough one. I saw a story this morning from the UK. They have those in the UK, too I saw this. Yeah, I saw a story of an old man. It said he'd been putting his letters in one of those for months Why are they getting to Marjorie? Hey Marjorie, did you give my letters? Marjorie never writes Well back to the apprehension that women felt about going out to Willy's farm Willy got around that by offering a rate for their services higher than market value about a hundred bucks Plus he'd give him free drugs as a bonus Now remember Willy was a millionaire and he lived in a goddamn trailer. So he had money to spend

For a lot of these women even a hundred bucks wasn't enough to put themselves in the kind of danger One could get into going with the guy like Willy all the way outside of town But Sandra Ringwald needed money and needed it fast So she got in the truck and took a 30-minute trip out to the farm When they walked into Willy's trailer Sandra made note of the large knife sitting on the kitchen table Two of them went into Willy's room and had what Sandra called regular sex on Willy's sleeping bag Just cut to him wearing a full clown outfit with a squeaky nose See if you could fit the tip of my own cock inside of my asshole

Come on now. Come on. I paid you a hundred bucks put on the top of it. Oh, I shot came already Regular sex it was about five minutes And he handed her 520s they got dressed and she figured that was the end of it Then Sandra asked to use Willy's phone book so she could call up her pimp to tell him she was on her way back to Vancouver with the money She owed oh she needed to do the phone book first of all wait a second So in Canada pimp's have their numbers in a phone book. No under pee for pimp. Yes, no No, she knew the sit the SRO the single room occupancy hotel that he lived at but she didn't know the name of the hotel

So she had to look it up in the phone. Okay. How do you do that though? Why is she? I would you just randomly get into a fucking van with that. I mean I understand she's things are a little obviously She's in a tough place. She's a time crunch. She needs the money fast Yeah, she's in a tough place, but she you know was it she wanted to call up her guy and say like hey I'm on my way back to Vancouver. Okay, I got your money. I'll be there in 30 minutes All right now as she was flipping through the pages She felt Willy walk up behind her and when she turned around Willy grabbed her left hand and snapped on a handcuff But before he could cuff the other wrist Sandra fought back

She remembered the knife She'd seen earlier and while she fought off Willy with one hand kicking away She reached for the knife with the other finally she got a hold of it and slashed away at Willy catching his jugular Oh, nice. Fuck the next slash went through Willy's cheek into his mouth cutting out some of his teeth and Cutting off a piece of his jawbone in the process. Oh, no, not my beautiful face But that didn't stop Willy Wow, he kept advancing on her and Sandra realized the only way out of the trailer was through him And she doesn't know how she got outside. She said she totally blacked out

But the next thing she knew she and Willy were outside fighting next to his truck Willy managed to wrestle the knife away and he stabbed her twice in the abdomen But Willy was getting weak from blood loss and was losing consciousness So Sandra was able to grab the knife break free and run towards the main road with her intestines half hanging out of her body This is like the shittiest version of the end fight of Wolverine the new Logan movie Yeah, I was thinking kind of Matthew Lillard's character as well from scream. I can die here, man No, once she got to the road She saw two houses across the street with her porch lights on but neither answered the door when she was banging on

Screaming someone was trying to kill her. Hmm. Finally a couple in a car showed up and Sandra flagged them down covered in blood And as they were driving away Sandra pointed towards Willy's farm and said if I die, that's where the guy who did this to me lives Oh, no way. No way. Someone did that to you there. I get my ham there Free ham you go over there. You just got to move a couple of barrels for him You get all the handfuls of ham that you get it does give it to you with his hands It's free ham. That is this is very similar to the ending of Texas chainsaw massacre That's exactly what I was thinking now when they got to the hospital the driver told the police what the woman had said So they went to Willy's trailer and found him lying there in a pool of his own blood so they took him to the hospital as well

Now you'd think this would be one of those classic movie moments where the woman wounds the villain gets away gets picked up by a Passerby and the killing spree is over. Yeah, but as we know it did not work out that way at all Willy's story was that he had cash out on the table when they got to his trailer So she saw the cash she grabbed a knife and tried to rob him He fought back in self-defense and she was stabbed in the process Now the police they actually tried here at the very beginning at least and they charged him with attempted murder But when the time came for Sandra to testify in court She didn't show up because she was absolutely

terrified of what Willy and Dave might do to her if things didn't go her way Oh my it's kind of insane right because they are big businessmen in the area It's both like they're heavily connected with the mob and the and the bikers. Well, not the not not them on the Angels Vancouver mob. Oh, yeah, what's all that about? Oh, yeah, just beaver pelts on their head Dude waterboarding guys with syrup It's fun they keep it stereotypical yes, but they were intimidating and they've scared her enough I wouldn't I mean, there's no way the sex worker wants to go and testify. No, that's not where they want to be

No, absolutely not and Dave had hired a private investigator to follow her I mean, she knew that these she knew the reputation of these guys And she knew that they had money and she knew that they were powerful And in fact like Willy had hired one of the most expensive regular lawyers and all of Vancouver So she knew that there was a very distinct possibility That this guy was gonna be able to argue self-defense with Willy and there was a big possibility He was gonna get up and then she would be fucked also possibly that she knew that Robert Picton was intimately involved With the cleaning up of clones for the various cloning centers for the Illuminati and was being watched remotely

by other clones in Buckingham Palace with Queen Elizabeth This all comes from the revelations of Donald Marshall It is an Illuminati clone a whistleblower Uh-huh, and he says that Robert Picton was murdering sex workers And then what they would do is that when clones go to sleep You can transfer the consciousness of one clone to another full-bodied clone and then to watch it and that Queen Elizabeth And all them would sit and watch Robert Picton murdering sex workers and just laugh

It's just that simple ladies and gentlemen open your eyes. That's it. That's it And Donald Marshall will go on to write the song Lady from Kenny Rogers because what happened is is that Donald Marshall when he showed up And they were so he was picked up now who is Donald Marshall? Donald Marshall is the intern the Illuminati clone whistleblower that revealed all this and pulled back the curtain and all this and Does he have a website that you've been on by any chance? DonaldMarshall.com. I'm pretty certain is what it's called. I think I have it here. DonaldMarshallRevolution.com Oh, okay. Okay, good. And what he says is that when he showed up to be what is called a diddle kid He was five years old

He was made as a clone to be shared by all the various members of the Illuminati in Buckingham Palace So this man has some deep drama No, he should probably go to a therapist He avoided it because apparently he said when he went to go suck his first dick He started crying and the guys said all the Illuminati were like this is not sexy Like this is Illuminati like what can you do before we kill you what can you do? And he began to sing a song and the first song he sang was the song Lady by Kenny Rogers that they stole from him and then using a Kenny Rogers clone made it a number one

billboard hit for six weeks in 1980 and then they went he then wrote several more songs for Madonna He wrote he became known as the amazing songboy. This is true I don't know in the Illuminati and and that he and you know what else he famously penned the song Chris Benoit by ICP that I also did not know existed that ICP did a full Chris Benoit Like RIP song look at I'm not sure if it's applicable to the episode So back to picked and since Sandra Ringwald did not show up to the trial the self-defense story held in all charges against Willie were dropped Hmm, it would be four more years before the killing stopped

Geez And naturally word of Willie's encounter with Sandra Ringwald spread around the downtown Eastside pretty quickly But luckily for Willie he had the services of his friend Gina Houston to make sure the flow of girls never stopped Gina was a working girl con artist who had drifted her way into Willie's life around 1993 She wormed her way into his confidence and was soon telling people they were engaged even though in the same breath would insist That they had never had sex. What a lucky. Why would she make up that they were engaged? Why would what social currency? You mean oh my potato will never be touched outside of the bonds of marriage, but my asshole You could do whatever you want to it because God don't claim the asshole

What yeah, what social currency did this woman gain? I have no idea sometimes referred to herself as mrs. Picton, okay? Well good for her well Willie as far as his relationship with Gina went He paid her rent and gave her cash and in exchange Gina brought him girls from the Eastside Her favorite spot for Willie's dates was the wish drop-in center Located in a church on the corner of Hastings and Gore the same exact block where we did our live show back in August Gina would talk to the girls She already knew and tell him she had a friend with plenty of drugs and money who was looking for a party

Only thing was you had to go out to his farm in Coquitlam to do it And most would say no as Willie was on the drop-in center's bad date list But every once in a while a woman hard up for cash drugs or both would agree to go with Gina And even though Gina claimed she never knew what was going on. Oh my of course. She did when she testified The cognitive dissonance of this woman is amazing. Yeah, when she testified at Willie's trial years later She said that out of the 49 sex workers on the missing women list that were probable victims of Picton She had known between 20 and 30 of them and she gave those people She gave those women how many do you think she actually gave to Robert Picton at least dozens

Probably doesn't oh at the very least a dozen if not more We'll look at what happened with Dean Coral and his assistants Oh, yeah There's a part of it where it's like you kind of get pulled into the the morality of it And you are eventually a part of the validation system where you're there and the way you're turning a blind eye is also Giving Picton check marks to go ahead too Yeah Like in this weird world of like if we just all kind of pretend like it's not happening and do it kind of

Automatically, then it doesn't matter and then you get the perks of being at the piggy-pals I guess it's being like a known quantity in this like place of badasses like it's kind of fun Like you get people are scared of you You'd like that that kind of currency for somebody can actually work out Especially if you were someone that has a lot of street smarts and it's like someone who's out there Who's like lived a very tough life having people be scared of you is a very enticing thing in 1997 alone Willie's most active year 14 women went missing and despite this at the beginning of

1998 a spokesperson for the Vancouver Police Department said and I quote directly There is no indication of a serial killer praying on women. Oh, he was also wearing two eye patches though Yeah My patches on and he literally had corks in his ears and his hands had oven mitts on them So even so it was all distorted. Yeah, when you said spokesman, I did think like a mascot like mr. Met That's what they should get Just a big heroin needle That same year a story was published in the Vancouver Sun about Sarah DeVries. It's either DeVries or devise

She became the de facto face of the missing women in Vancouver And after the story was published one of the writers got a call from a man named Bill Hiscox That's it, funny last name there Hiscox Yeah Oh my Yes, 33 years old I am Oh gosh

Hiscox Hey buddy, hey What is Hiscox saying? He heard it Oh my, who's Mrs. Hercox? Hiscox said that he had recently worked for a man named Dave Pickton And during the course of his employment had gotten to know Dave's brother Willie Hiscox said

He's quite a strange character, eh? Very, very strange That's the only descriptor That's how everybody described Willie, all these dirtbags like, oh, he's a weird one Yeah, but it's like when people said, oh, he's tasting, oh, that's a bit of a bad neighbor over there They all say the same thing like, oh, that seems a bit, oh, a bit cookie-do there What he's doing to the prostitute slicing their heads open there Oh my goodness, gracious

Now while Bill was on the Pickton farm, he'd also had many a conversation with Lisa Yelt, Willie's old hotdog friend They used to go to magic shows with, remember? That's right, yes Yeah They had more than once talked about the mountains of women's purses, IDs, and clothes Gathering in Willie's trailer All this combined with the attempted murder of Sandra Ringwald made Hiscox think maybe there was something up here Yeah, yeah

I don't know, this is what he said He's got a farm out in Port Coquitlam, and you know, he frequents a downtown area all the time for girls You know what that guy's doing, it's like really weird He's writing a book called If I Did It I mean, this is- He said it, and it's like, I was like, I did what? And he's just like, oh, you'll see And I'm like, okay, you know, that's weird

Whatever it is you're doing, that's weird You know what also was crazy weird, that 9-11 Weird, weird stuff So what year is this? Are we in the 90s here? 1998 Oh my goodness, okay The thing was, Hiscox went to the Vancouver Sun only after he'd gone to the Vancouver Police

Okay All they told him was that they couldn't just go in there based on assumptions Yeah, you can! You can What else do you please do? You can But to give them at least a tiny bit of credit, they did put Willie under surveillance So they did something

Just a guy to fucking moose costume Exactly Just true I know I could do it, I'm the best undercover cop we have I could run like a moose, I could sniff like a beaver Two officers or one moose? I want to be the top of the moose now I want to be the head of the moose, I'm sick of the backyard

No, no, no, Sergeant, you're the bottom of the moose Till you pass the lieutenant test But at this point, most people in the VPD still didn't want to admit a serial killer was responsible for the missing women They did know, though, that in 1995, another serial killer had killed three downtown girls whose bodies were found in the woods And they had his DNA They also had Picton's DNA on file from the Ringwald assault, so they compared the two And of course, they didn't match But since the Vancouver Police Department couldn't imagine there being two separate serial killers operating in Vancouver at the same time

They stopped surveillance on Picton after two weeks and turned him loose, yet again It's just the two cops just abandoned the moose costume like mid-shift and were like, got the text Alright, investigation's done, Willie, you go back to being normal Don't worry about it, thank you guys, you guys are the best, you guys are the best around You got it, Willie They could have saved, how many lives could these officers have saved if they were just mildly proactive And wanting to do their job 15? Maybe 19?

Oh my God I think about, at this point, 98, I think he had about 15 more to go Jeez, it's just crazy to think about it, I was just listening to No Doubt, Wearing Jinko Jeans, and all of this The strange thing is, you know, 1998 was so recent Yeah, it was very recent, but it was also long ago, wasn't it, Ben? It was 20 years ago It was 20 years ago 20 years ago, we were elderly, we were turning into that

20 years ago Well, there was one guy who not only thought but knew almost for certain that there was at least one serial killer in Vancouver all throughout the 90s That was our man, Kim Rosmo, the profiler we mentioned in the last episode He'd been telling cops, among many other things, to look for a cluster dump site Meaning whoever was killing these women was probably keeping the bodies or at least parts of them in one place, which he was Yeah, okay But not only did they continue to ignore him, they fired his ass in 1999 without using him once And all the years he languished in their dumb shit backwards police department

Okay And that police department, by the way, it was headed by a man who liked to say he wouldn't even piss on a sex worker if she was on fire Jesus Christ It's great, Canada is a paradise That's what everybody says, Canada's This is Vancouver, this is very unique This is not like the great people of Montreal or Calgary Vancouver is a unique place for Canada

Well, when they started looking around at all the different major cities in Canada, which there's like five But when they started looking around at all the other major cities, they were seeing their missing persons department was pretty small and not very busy Like maybe one or two here and there Like they'd look at Toronto, they'd look at Calgary and they're like, oh, yeah, we got like two or three missing women We're looking for them But then in Vancouver it's like, oh, yeah, how many of you guys got it? All about 49 Yeah, it's quite high

Yeah, it's really high And what are you doing about it? Oh, you know, sometimes you just gotta wait You gotta wait it out Hey, you see this pen I got? Uh oh You see this pen I got? Sometimes rewards really come to those who wait

You're gonna sit there and you're gonna wait, right? Look at it 49 women are missing Uh huh You know, we're not really doing that much about it, but you could just wait a second for it Uh huh You know, if you want to get yourself some good pizza, you gotta go down to Antiquos down in the corner That's where we go when we ignore the 49 missing women

And the work we're supposed to be doing, just wait for a little bit This is a slow one It seems like there's a systemic problem But we seem to be, it's mostly because we gotta, what's happening at these cloning centers is life You know what I'm saying? Madonna showed up and that's true They killed Diana with, do you know Princess Diana? They killed her with the most powerful flesh and oh, there you go, it's tits Oh, look at that

Well, thank you so much Yeah, the Vancouver Missing Persons Department You know how many people were there? How many? One Okay And you know what, he got arrested for in 2005 What?

Child pornography Oh, not good Not good Good lord That was the guy, that was the guy that they had Honestly, just remember, they should have seen it coming when you hire a man Sergeant Christoph Mulest I suppose

Can't have a guy named Mulest Oh my goodness In the police department This is horrible stuff I mean, even America's Most Wanted was ahead of the Vancouver PD Of course, America's Most Wanted was pretty good Yeah, they filmed an episode in Vancouver in July of 1999 offering a $100,000 reward For information concerning the missing women case

Okay And by that time, there were plenty of people who could have collected on that reward One of those people was Andy Bellwood Okay Andy Bellwood was a petty criminal who had somehow found himself living on the Picton property And he and Willie became fast friends Okay See, Willie, once you got to know him, liked to talk

Because he's Canadian Oh yeah Because he's Canadian and they love to talk If you were a woman, he liked to tell you about his poor pitiful childhood And how he was just a plain old simple pig man and so on and so forth Yes, and my pig sense allows me to tell inherently different types of grain I can hear when a pig is crying and I know when to dance for it in order to entertain it Also, I can tell you where a pig is within 20 yards

But also, I will fuck your pussy But if you were a guy, Willie, just like Dave, liked to talk tough Uh-oh Now who knows why Willie chose Andy to share his secrets But one night in February of 1999, the two were hanging out in Willie's trailer When Willie asked Andy if he wanted to go get some hookers It's just like a hard, it's a hard question I feel like you and your buddy need to be like really on the same page about sex workers

Before you just being like, like the three of us just hanging out Being like, huh, you guys want to go get some hookers? Like the middle of it, like just hanging out and being like, no, no, this is a family reunion No, no, no, we're here to be with your family We're here to like kind of hang out with the cousins Well, it's definitely, it comes at peak boredom Yeah, I think you're just staring at someone's face and you're just like I can't be friends with this guy anymore unless we get some sex workers in here

But Willie suddenly opened up and told Andy just what it was that he'd like to do with him And it wasn't like Willie was drunk Like we said last episode, Willie was always sober In fact, the only thing he really drank, the hardest thing he drank was 7-Up Oh well, that was, what's wrong with 7-Up? I like 7-Up I don't, I don't, you know what? I came off the sprite 7-Up train, right?

And I left it and I went bye bye, catch you next stop And then recently I went to have a sprite again, which I'm going to say is similar to 7-Up Oh yeah And it's very sweet Very sweet, well I think sprite won the lemon lime soda game There was no denying that, sprite is the victor Easily, easily You guys want to go get some hookers or?

No No, Willie first pulled out all his tools of the trade There was a pair of handcuffs under his mattress, a belt, and a piece of piano wire with handles on each end Jeez He then told Andy he picked up all his victims from the east side, plying them with money and free drugs And Willie said once they were back at the apartment, he'd have sex with them from behind Bring their arms back slowly, handcuff them, and then strangle the women to death He even gave Andy a demonstration

Well, what? This is what Andy said And I have to say, I don't know if he went to a UCB or a second city, but his object work was impeccable Powerful pantomime Okay, interesting Willie then told Andy he'd take the body out to the barn, hang it from a chain, bleed it, gut it, and feed the rest to the pigs Anything the pigs didn't eat was sent to the rendering plant Now Andy didn't tell a goddamn soul about any of this at first

After the story, how do you react? Do you just go, hahaha Yeah, Willie Like you just go like, wow Well, I think you circle it back to the prostitutes I think you'd be like, oh, where are we gonna go? Do something? You gotta get out of there Oh, you know what, instead of getting hookers, how about we go to a baseball game? I tell you what I really do to that baseball player So we're like, no, no, no

No, no, Willie, I can't be complicit anymore Three days later, Willie realized that he kind of fucked up And figured he'd better put a little bit of fear into Andy Bellwood Willie and Dave brought Andy over to Willie's office, accused him of stealing tools and beat him within an inch of his life Before Andy left, they made him clean up his own blood off the floor And he never returned to the Picton farm Well, did he steal any tools? No, he did not

Absolutely didn't steal any tools You also know they do like a Judge Willie thing, like a Judge Judy thing every single time But you know there's Pig Court They have people out there and he's got it Like they have like pigs as the jurors Two bailiffs And they have big bailiffs and all that shit You know that, honestly, that they do that

I honestly though, there's a part of me Because of my Florida training And I feel like that you maybe understand from Texas and Wisconsin Is that when you're kind of lower income moron Right, a part of the idea of this lifestyle Is being badass means everything Like people that have this kind of idea of being involved with the criminal organization And they think it's really fucking cool

And then what they're doing is really cool And everything's totally legit That's what really what Andy was doing Andy was going up and trying to be an insider But he thought that it was just like a light inside job He thought that he'd show up and that maybe they'd go get some sex workers And hang out and do a bunch of drugs and it'd be like fun criminal lifestyle Until Willie unloaded on him

And then he's like, oh shit Yep, they got egos, these guys got egos They got huge egos, I mean they got maniacs These guys are, they're just bullies You know, like that said, bullies always did that shit Where they'd blame something on you that you know, they know you didn't do it But they'd still say you did something to piss them off And then they'd use that as an excuse to beat the shit out of you

That's it Yeah, and Willie just got his rocks off telling him his story Because that's really what it's about It's like Willie's just really stupid Well, I think that Willie wanted to show off his unbelievable pantomime skills Well that's different And it was a theater show for one Then do an, be in a box

Do an invisible Christmas tree Show how you're putting ornaments on an invisible Christmas tree That would be nice That is nice When you have a devastatingly poor family You can do that with your children And you can say Christmas is real And it's like there's a tree here

Just use your imagination kids The government is hiding secrets Screaming at my broken family Yes daddy, yes At the same time Andy was staying at the farm Another lost soul named Lynn Ellingson Was staying there as well in a spare bedroom in Willie's house She'd been in the office when Andy was beaten

And it actually didn't seem to bother her all that much She was just another person Like well yeah, you know that's the way things go out here on the Picton farm Andy probably stole the tools so they were right to beat him Okay There's a lot of people coming in and out of this desk camp I know, that's what I'm surprised about How is it all happening?

I just don't uh, they're all complicit obviously Yeah, but the longer that Lynn stayed at the farm The more she started to think something was wrong with Willie Yeah And since the incident with Sandra Ringwald Rumors have been flying around about how Willie Was keeping arms and legs in the freezers This was 99

The rumors are going around about arms and legs This is not a normal rumor This is something to be investigated But also 1999 is when Hit Me Baby One more time by Britney Spears came out Also pinned by Donald Marshall Oh my god, I don't think so The amazing Donald Marshall wrote that

It's true and Britney Spears went insane Because of how many murders her clone was forced to watch Fucking a palace with Queen Elizabeth, which is why she shaved her head The way she did The media drove her nuts We did that to Britney Well Lynn had even approached Dave About all these rumors one day

And for her troubles, she got taken in a Willie's trailer And was beaten And Dave told her not to bring it up Or talk to anyone about it Ever again Talk to someone about it immediately Now her suspicions grew even stronger After that in March of 1999

They were confirmed In the most horrifying way possible One night Willie and Lynn were cruising New Westminster When Willie commented that he'd like to take a working girl Back to the trailer for the night The two pulled up to a woman and told her They just bought some crack, which they had

Okay And they wanted to know if she wanted to head out To Willie's farm to party When they got back to the trailer Lynn and the woman smoked the crack While Willie watched Now eventually Willie and the woman Went to his room and Lynn went to hers

Where she went to smoke just a little bit more crack Yeah As you'll do That is as you do It's called a night cap It's called a night crack A night crack Okay, alright

It was then that she heard a noise Coming from the barn She walked outside And when she opened the doors She saw legs dangling from the ceiling She screamed Willie's name So he walked over grabbed her by the arm And made her stand at the end of his slaughtering table

She was absolutely frozen She said she kept her eyes down But she saw as Willie tossed intestines And organs into a bucket The table was covered in blood And sitting in the middle was a clump of black hair What we can infer from this Combined with what we know about the skulls

Found on Willie's property And the Jane Doe at the beginning Is that Willie most likely scalped the women Before sawing them in half So as to not get their hair caught in the blade And that's the problem with switching from Analog to machine Is that just a saw

You don't have to do that I don't think I don't know I'm not sure But I also like how far Marcus went to infer this Yes As if he thought about it He sat and he truly thought about with the heads

Like Caroline is in the other room Making dinner Like having a... She's having normal conversation And Marcus just sitting Thinking about the hair on the table And he's like He's scalped

Yes Like what was that What was that Marcus I thought So you scalp the tickets to see Bruce Springsteen No Caroline And no I made the most wonderful discovery

Now as Willie was pulling out more of the women's insides Willie told Lynn That if she said a word to anyone about this She'd be right beside her She told Willie not to worry As all she wanted was her dope and booze So Willie took her back to the trailer Gave her a hundred bucks

For all the liquor and drugs she could stand And center on her way in a cab Lynn left got plenty of both And stayed wasted for days I actually understand that Yeah I completely understand that I also think that he found that a hundred dollars Was like the most money you could give a single person

I guess so Yeah that seems to be his going rate of just like For anything like if you get one large pizza Here's a hundred dollars That's very weird She said she never went back after that night In early March But on both March 29th

Just a couple weeks later And May 30th of that year Ambulances were called to Willie's farm Because Lynn had overdosed in his trailer And they were called by Willie Okay Now Lynn was also getting pay-offs from Willie Now this isn't to say that Lynn was a complete

And total horrible person She like a lot of the other women Who came into contact with the Pictons Absolutely terrified of them And their friends Still she took thousands of dollars from Willie Over the next year or so And that is where Scott Chubb comes in

Scott Chubb His cock and Chubb coming out Honestly Chubb it's a massive shame That he did not open a barbecue shack Because Chubb's barbecue is an incredible name For a barbecue shack Yeah Frank Underwood would go there Very fun

Chubb had been working for the Pictons for years And one day Willie offered him a job Removing nails from plywood So the Pictons could resell it That's a very unique job No not really Removing nails from plywood? Yeah that's a job?

Yeah when you demolish something You gotta remove all the nails And then you can resell all the wood At a discounted price Yes but you can still resell all of it There it is It's like stripping all the brass piping from a house It's also very interesting to see

How far they went to make money Like the fact that the business was making money And it was like they were covering all Single elements of like trashy money making That they can Like they were just grabbing shit Yeah I mean they were Well that's why they were so rich

Because I mean it was all piecemeal You know it was like a ton of small businesses That added up to you know millions of dollars If you're a good guy junk dealer If you're a good guy junk dealer I think that's cool as shit Like in between like having like a Either a pawn store or like one of those things

But something like this is very It's just god they just did everything that was illegal The problem with the Pictons is not their business acumen It is the murder It is without a doubt the murdering of Dozens and dozens of people That is the worst part Now Chubb said while they were doing the job

Willie out of the blue offered him a thousand dollars To kill Lynn Elzington Oh jeez All Chubb had to do Willie said Was to inject her with window washer fluid And nobody would know the difference between that And an OD And Chubb of course didn't do it

But it does beg the question Why couldn't Willie just do it himself Right Twice after the incident in the barn One time just a couple weeks later Willie called an ambulance to save Lynn's life When he could have easily just let her die Right

That Willie didn't want to be involved in any official capacity With any death whatsoever Even though everyone called Willie an idiot He was still smart enough to know the cops Had put a tail on him the year before I swear to god I look out that back window And that moose has a radio I know it

I mean Willie wasn't as dumb as everyone said he was Yeah he wasn't the smartest person But he also wasn't as dumb as everyone said he was Sort of a Kevin Spacey and usual suspect I honestly think that you know When you have a tail on you Because you're being tailed by the cops And they're making it obvious

A part of what the cops do We saw it with John Wayne Gacy They just show up outside your house And they stare at you A part of it is they're But a part of it they're supposed to be a deterrent To whatever activities that you're doing Right

And then if you really fuck up Then we'll be right here and grab you But they're supposed to just be watching you And kind of building a whole thing on you And it's obvious I think Willie's also a career criminal You have a whole set of other skills When you're a career criminal

Like it's like you're someone He's been doing this forever He was raised by a criminal family So a part of it You don't think that mama fucking picked in Was like cops are bad Like how many times they talk about Like you don't ever be involved with anything

You never you never call 911 Unless you have to And then you just you disappear And you let them clean it up And then you come back Like it's shit like that Maybe he did think about mama picked in the way That Jason Voorhees thinks about his mother

Well Jason Voorhees' mother Seemed to be a good person Did you watch episode Did you watch What Did you see the first Friday of the 13th What are you talking about But that was only after

He's being a revisionist That was only after Revisionist He's being a revisionist That was only after He went crazy She murdered What eight children

Yeah But that was after they were responsible For the death of his Dover Technically her kid couldn't swim I love Jason But he sort of made He died himself They didn't drown him

He died himself But also Marcus is doing the heritage Not hate version for horror films Very interesting She was a good person before that Okay Now Willie picked as far as Lynelzington went

He could have even had some twisted sense Of affection for And couldn't bring himself to directly harm One of the women That he quote unquote helped Because those women that he helped That's how he justified everything You know he could kill these

Scum prostitutes But just so long as he helped The quote unquote good women Sure Then he was still a good person Right In his eyes Yeah

I mean just kind of the same way that you know Ted Bundy would you know Work at the suicide hotline Yep You know they do these weird little things To justify their behavior But either way Also you let somebody in

A certain amount right Where if like now Lyn knows Who you really are And I think there's a part of it Of like not many people know Every single thing there is to know about me And so when somebody is there That does know

And seems to not be fucking it up Like you're basically He's asking Chubb to murder her Out of like a weird like I should probably do this as a criminal I should probably murder her But I don't know what to do Because I look

Technically she hasn't done shit Like trying to like Flip me to the police And it's nice to have somebody Completely on the inside Because it gives you some Look at H.H. Holmes H.H. Holmes was very similar

Having like the people He'd bring the bodies to And all that kind of stuff It's like they start to know That he's got something up And that creates a system Of support for you And of course H.H. Holmes

Had the friends with Minnie and Nanny Yeah I know what is Minnie Don't you fucking pimp me out That seems like a pretty Obvious pimp there I don't know Maybe detective

Maybe Terry the gnome Was on the property Or detective popcorn Was perhaps investigated I wonder what spring Healed Jack would think About all this Well either way

The fact that Willie offered Chuck money to kill her Goes pretty far towards Proving that Lynn's story About the barn is true Because you remember She smoked a lot of crack That night

But I feel like crack Could make your memory better Yeah I don't think that's Gonna mess with this You're talking about She's like hyper sensitive To her surroundings Yeah maybe maybe

But you know the picked And boys they had other problems Besides just Lynn Elzington The piggy palace was in trouble Oh no They needed the little rascals To do a soapbox derby You have to raise the money

And they needed to get some money Yeah Oh and it's just a bunch Of weirded Hell's angels And Canadian backwoodsman Dresses little kids Versus a bunch of real little kids

Oh man No it wasn't that business was bad It was better than ever In fact I got an email Oh you heard a rumor Uh oh That famed Canadian band

Nickelback Whoa Played the piggy palace In their early days Wow You know they're just sitting there Just tapping their toes Just banging their head

Just being like These guys are gonna make it Great band Love Nickelback You know what I think these guys They're gonna ruin rock and roll Music forever

Forever I tell you what You know what you should change Your motto is It's like you give us a penny We'll give you a Nickelback There it is You can change it

Make that money there I'm fun I'm Willie I'm the weird one That is kind of fun But it was the community at large That was sick of dealing With the constant stream

Of bikers and lowlifes What? No way I can't believe it I know stunning There's no way that they were sick Of the gigantic raucous A pig farm

With screaming Screaming filled with drunk Hell's angels And crack heads Next to the rendering plant They were just I think Nickelback Might have been the straw

As soon as they heard that band They're like No more No more The annual New Year's Eve party That they had at the Piggy Palace Every year In the New Year's Eve party

It was huge Oh sure Everyone looked forward To the Piggy Palace New Year's Eve party The New Year's Eve one Was rated at the dawn of the millennium By dozens of cops

And afterward The city of Coquitlam Shut down the good times society Permanently Oh But the thing is Even though the police Were all gung ho

About raiding the Piggy Palace They were still dragging their feet On Willie Pickton Yeah it seems like they busted The fucking Piggy Palace When you've got 49 missing women In your city Oh no we're focusing on noise complaints

For the past 20 years We're doing no noise complaints You know what they say about the noise complaints Is that you can hear where it is And you go And you just stop the noise Stop the noise is the crime Yeah

And by the year 2000 The stories told by Bill Hiscox Scott Chubb And even Chubb and Hiscox We are lawyers I don't know why they laugh every time We are lawyers

We agree We are lawyers We are lawyers I don't know No the stories told by them And even Lynn Elzington Had made their way to policiers Yeah

It would be another two years Before police would close in on Willie And even then Just open the freezer And even then It would be damn near by accident Oh my god But we'll get into all that and more

On the conclusion To our series on Willie Pickton Alright well this is not a great episode For the cops No it is not a great series for the police My goodness Grounds It isn't and we'll get into the next episode Where you know there are some people

We got to give credit to That helped to catch Willie Pickton But you're not going to believe What it was that finally got this guy caught It is not right Hopefully as a society We are evolving when it comes to Treating people equally and with respect

And the Vancouver Police Department We got to give them credit as well After the Willie Pickton incident They did a major overhaul On how they treat sex workers In the downtown east side I would hope so I think that's great

That is really great Maybe it's that they also swept out The members of the Virelia That were deeply embedded In the higher echelons of the Vancouver Police And the Canadian police Because the problem is They're sitting on a cloning center

Or also known as the clone zone Which is where you show up You know what I'm really debating Having your internet shut off I'm really worried I think we need to move you back to New York Come on home buddy Have done a lot of reading

And it sounds like You guys are now a part of the problem And I am now the only sane one We're the Illuminati I'm the only one plugged in To what's really going on My friend I think it's more like

Since we live in New York We don't live like 30 miles From all of our friends And we're able to like Hang out and have social interaction With each other a lot more I don't need friends I have my stories

I have the truth Have you been sitting on your rooftop Regularly at night I actually like the alien stuff Have you seen anything in the skies lately Yeah, how's the move on going? I have yet to note A sky disturbance

I have yet to see I have yet to do it But I did just look I'm getting the exam book To be an investigator soon Because I have to pass the exam In order to be able to shadow Somebody on a real case

Does the exam book come with crayons? No, it does not Is it like an open book test? Or like Do you have to go to a testing facility? Do you have to go to a high school cafeteria? And out of honor Out of honor I will take the book

And I will put it in the bedroom And I will try to do it without That's good But honestly The problem is It's fucking a hundred bucks a pop To take the exam Oh my god, Henry

I don't think you have to They're really picking you They're just giving you You're just giving them a hundred bucks I mean, you gotta You gotta hire a proctor You gotta print the paper off You don't have to bring a nun into this house

Maybe I have a nun here with the ruler Walking around me Making sure I don't cheat on myself Yes Well, your state of California Is currently battling a wildfire So we're thinking about everyone over there

Very under-reported, by the way No one seems to care That California is burning Oh, no It's kind of like all I care about Is the stupid fucking NFL And then Like the entire media has been owned

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