Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 293: Bill Cooper Part I - The Granddaddy of Conspiracy

Episode Date: November 3, 2017

Join us for a different kind of series as we explore the life and theories of the father of modern conspiracy, Bill Cooper. We'll be talking about his experiences with UFOs in Vietnam, his magnum opus Behold a Pale Horse, and the tragic way it all ended. Super Power Cool Dude Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Voice Over Under Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By

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That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? I agree with the Illuminati in this story. It's true. There's a part that's like, I completely get it. We're gonna, we'll get deeper into it. Do you mean the Illuminati that adult film you were working on? Yeah dude, just a fucking woman dressed as a lizard, just like getting throated by George Washington.

We understand what happened. Alright, this is the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kessel, Marcus Parks, hello. Hello, Ben. And of course, we've got Henry Zabrowski there in beautiful, far too nice Los Angeles. Far, far too nice. And I'll tell you what, you guys are asleep right now. And I know that maybe it's because you're even driving at your work, but you can actually still be physically awake.

Huh. But you're not. Interesting. You know what that sound is? What is that? Are you telling them to wake up America? Yes. Like Eric Bolin.

Okay, wake up America. One more person tells me to wake up, I'm gonna freak out. Alright, this episode is actually awesome. We're talking about this dude. I guess he's one of the first conspiracy theorists of all time. His name is Bill Cooper, and he's also a radio legend. So there's a lot of crossover here. Milton William Cooper, Bill to his friends was one of, if not...

It's never Milton. It's never Milton. Never Milton. William Milton. No one's... Friends call me Milton. There's no one's listening to Milton Cooper talk about the Illuminati. Unless Milton Cooper's got a fucking AK-47 and he's sitting on your lawn.

And then it's, yes, whatever you want, Mr. Milton. Yes, hello, Boston. Absolutely. You want your stapler, Mr. Milton? Here it is. Well, Bill Cooper was one of, if not the most influential conspiracy theorist of the modern age. This guy was the granddaddy of them all. His 1991 book, Behold a Pale Horse, still holds a place on any good conspiracy theory bookshelf.

Straight up right now. Stop the podcast. Buy it. Have it in your house. Thumb through it all the time, because it's what I've been doing for the last couple of weeks. And I will say this, is that, I mean, I'll tell you, I haven't slept. And again, it's about being awake or being asleep. And that is what Bill Cooper says quite a bit in a lot of his talks.

He always starts off with that being like... I hear a snoring sound. That's the feed of a man about to wake you up. I'm pretty sure we also call Pale Horse Holden McNeely. Very funny. Yeah, very funny. Now, we will admit there's some truly crazy shit in that book, most of which we'll get into in the second episode.

But nothing in Behold a Pale Horse, nor in any of the other things we've heard from him, are particularly offensive. I think Bill Cooper, unlike a lot of conspiracy theorists, his heart is in the right place. And for that, he gets a... A last podcast on the left. Full round of applause. Now, I would say having your heart in the right place for a conspiracy theorist might not be the best thing for content.

But he won't let himself go too crazy. Wow! You fucking idiot. My theory might be flawed. However, some of the people who listen to Bill Cooper's radio show, The Hour of the Time... That's great. What a good title.

It's a great title. But this was the mid-90s, early to mid-90s. Some of them tended to take some of his New World Order talk just a little bit too far. One of those people was Timothy McVeigh, who spent many lonely nights with his shortwave radio listening to Bill Cooper. And I gotta say, H.W. Bush really did know in any favors when he called it the New World Order. Could he maybe just not use that verbiage?

Kenner Kissinger used it too, and maybe it was on purpose, Kessel. This is a problem. Now, you are ankle deep so far in the political fucking rigged system that you're a part of. And unfortunately, in order for you to pass on to the next level of evolutionary-wise, in order to break the hypnotism cycle that the Illuminati has fucking put you in, you need to take your feet out of that pool and dry them off with a towel, which should actually technically be an American flag and get your shit together. That sounds like a spa day.

But the thing is that Cooper, he was no white supremacist by any stretch of the imagination. He was very much a second-ememic guy to a fault, as we'll see later, and he was very much a nationalist, but he was not a racist and he was not a bigot. What he ended up being at the end of his life, though, was a murderer. But before we get to all that, let's start with the origin story that created one of the most influential conspiracy theorists of all time for better or worse. Or at least, this is what Bill Cooper claims is his origin story. In 1965, Bill Cooper joined the Navy after a short stint in the Air Force

and was assigned to submarine duty soon after Bill was traveling on assignment from Portland to Pearl Harbor when he saw something that would change his life. So first off, remember, he actually volunteered for submarine duty, which is very dangerous. Also, what my father did, and also because my father and I were the same size, he's 5'6", right? I'm 5'7", I'm taller than my father, I'm an actual 5'7". But my father also volunteered to be on the submarine duty, and he said it's one of the most dangerous things. And also, Bill Cooper said he joined the Navy specifically because of his love of the water, but he had a really hard time with sea sickness.

He would just get sick on the bus, he said. And the sickle time that he was in any moving object, and this is true, he said, I would have a grumbling in my tummy. I would be uncontrollably sick. I would be incredibly nauseous. Afterwards, he said that magically, somehow, when he got onto the submarine, his sea sickness was cured and he knew he was in the right place. That is absolutely crazy.

I guess you got to, if you are training someone to become a seaman, you got to shake them really hard like that fat kid in Billy Madison. Brooke and I had a chance to tour a naval vessel in San Francisco. I'm 6'7", she is 6 feet tall. Not for us. So what did you do? Did you just have to go around to the side of the boat and just lay face down on the water and a couple of sailors just rolled you like a log? Yeah, they came up inside of me. I cannot imagine living that kind of life. I couldn't either.

Bill said on that trip from Portland to Pearl Harbor, he saw a pewter-colored metal machine flying in and out of the ocean. It wasn't glowing, didn't have any lights, but Bill maintains that it was intelligently controlled. He said the craft dipped in and out of the water for about 10 minutes before it flew away. Now, you also, he goes into very intense detail in the book and in his lecture series about what he saw. He said he basically saw a hole open up in the water, like a vacuum kind of sucked everything out and the ship lifted up out, dangled, popped back in and out of the water like it was washing shit off of itself, right? It was like coming out of a bucket.

Yeah, we're like an ego. When he says in the story, it's kind of crazy because it's the way the periscope moves back and forth. They would just catch it and bits and pieces and he's freaking out next to his black friend named Lincoln and his Native American friend named Geronimo, which you did not bring up in any of this. He has so many movies sequences in his life. Bill Lincoln and Geronimo? Wow, that's a sitcom. That's real though. That's in the book. That's cool.

Well, when Bill was questioned by superiors as to what he'd seen, he told them the truth that he'd seen a flying saucer. But that was the wrong answer. Always. Always. And after being berated, screamed at and threatened by a superior officer, Bill was asked again, what did you see? This time he got the whole thing and he answered, nothing. And signed numerous documents swearing him to secrecy. Because he believed in the American dream, he showed up as a very hardcore supporter of the military and he believed that it was your duty to follow your lead officer's commands

and he was a very good soldier, which allowed him to eventually get the clearance that he would get. After that, he was accepted to the Naval Security and Intelligence School, where he became an internal security specialist. This designation meant Bill was in charge of setting up security perimeters, securing installations and buildings, and most importantly, safeguarding classified information. Now I gotta say, it sounds more exciting than what the job actually is. Yes. Because it is like kind of like putting up plaques, maybe a little tape here every now and again.

You literally stand next to files. Yes. You can't even look at them. You're not supposed to. No, you're not allowed to look at them. Now after graduating, Bill was shipped off to the war in Vietnam. This is about 67 or so, 68. There, he heard rumors that entire villages had just up and banished after UFOs were seen flying above. And he also said that he heard that both sides had opened fire on UFOs only to be met with a light weapon. Yeah, fuckers. That's like the coolest movie idea I could fucking think of.

It's UFOs in Vietnam, and you have like a guy named Cleveland down the muck being like, I tell you what, we got charles in the trees. But last week, a head clacks on my butthole. Oh man, Vietnam was hard on everybody. Then they come home and the hippies throw trash at them and spit on them. They were fighting aliens on our behalf, defending our freedoms in Vietnam. Well, Bill said every incense of a quote-unquote Vietnamese helicopter was actually UFO. Fuck yeah, dude, just call Vietnamese helicopters, man.

I think it was a helicopter and they couldn't read the writing on the side of it. They're like, that's technically unidentified. Well, that's what they said, and they also said that the UFO activity was most intense around the DMZ. Well, would that make sense though? Don't the aliens tend to go towards places of chaos and stuff like that? Isn't there like a theory about that? I don't know. I mean, I know they tend to go towards water a lot. Well, there's Fresh Water is one. They buzz by a lot of our secret military bases, depending on whether or not they're a part of the gated treaty or not.

We don't know, because technically it's just with the grays, but we can't necessarily tell which type of alien is maneuvering which craft, right? So I imagine, yeah, it's not something they show up. They show up in war zones. But then also, they'll just take a kid up there and suck a stick too. I mean, like, they'll do whatever. You know, you're really starting to sound like a moof on expert there for a second, but then you did kind of flip back into being yourself. They are very much so like the outback. No rules.

No rules. Blooming onion? What? And the blooming onion does look like a spacecraft. Well, speaking of no rules, the UFOs even abducted and mutilated two American soldiers and just left them behind to rot. But we'll get to the reasons behind that on episode two. Now, all this stuff is just rumor. Right. Or at least it was at the time. But later, Bill said he found out that most of these rumors were true.

Boom, boom, boom. Yes. See, after the war, Bill joined the office of naval intelligence, where in pretty short order, he achieved the highest security clearance there is. Top secret, magic restricted. Fuck yeah. That's all God. I don't want to fucking tattooed on the right above my butt. I mean, it was like Dean Warmer, his sergeant, double secret probation.

Top secret, magic restricted. Now, with this clearance, Bill somehow read and presumably memorized hundreds, if not thousands of documents about the Kennedy assassination, UFOs, aliens in the government, the plan for the New World Order, and much, much more. Think about how what an incredible TV show this is. What a great pitch this is. Is that you're the guard in the vault of the NSA,

and every episode as you open up the file and you got a new fucking story, he's sitting there, he's the fucking LeVar Burton of conspiracy theories. It's incredible. You know what he should have had with him at all times? Silly putty. Because you know, silly putty can actually grab ink off of the page. I used to use my Marmaduke. And I would stretch out Marmaduke and make him bigger.

And then the crushing loneliness of being the only person holding the scepter of truth is that you could wrap around your dick and you could fuck it up. Silly putty. That's the silly part of it. When Bill got out of the Navy, he said he tried leaking all this information to a reporter, but got a visit from the men in black for his troubles. Bill said they forced him off the road causing an accident which lost Bill his leg. And that's true.

I didn't realize that he was missing a leg. Yeah, he got into a bad car accident in the early 70s and they had to amputate his leg. You didn't notice that he always stood at an angle? No, I watched a lot of the footage and it must be a good fake leg. When the MIBS visited Bill in the hospital, he swore to them that he'd keep his mouth shut forever. But over the following 16 years, Bill said he spent $27,000 disseminating the information he had to various sources around the world. And that's not $27,000 in like accountant money or like Hollywood actor money.

That's $27,000 in UFO truth or money. That's a lot of money. Which is, if you guess, that's like $9 million. What is the currency of a dollar in UFO currency? Whatever it is, they will lick your feet for it. They are in desperate need of money. Well, Bill then started going on lecture tours and by 1991, Bill Cooper was finally ready to publish his findings in one of the most well known and influential conspiracy books

ever written, Behold a Pale Horse. Into it. So this was now the early 70s where he's on these lecture tours after the Navy. No, no, this is the 90s. Oh, so we fast forwarded a lot of time here. Yeah, we fast forward. Well, because we don't know a whole lot about that time. Bill Cooper tends to actually fast forward a lot of the time because all the information

we've given so far is from the first chapter of the book. And Bill Cooper's biographical information admittedly does jump around quite a bit. The only real source we have for Bill Cooper is Bill Cooper besides his military record. Well, according to him, what it does seem like is that he spent that whole time period. He was in the Navy for a long time. Like he was there for about 10, 15 years. When he came out, it was that time period is when he was cobbling together the articles that would become Behold a Pale Horse.

He was writing these little mini essays and photographing them in various offices and leaving them places and mailing them to people. Like he worked on this book for like five years. So the time suck, the big missing time here is him feverishly alone in a hotel room, probably in whitey tidies, about seven or nine fucking millers deep into just typing on an old school typewriter, which is how I want to end my day. This is the one sad thing with our technological era. You don't get that anymore. The hard research.

Because he could have done all this stuff nowadays with like a spam email list. Well, Bill Cooper was the one who already, he did the work. Like Bill Cooper was the guy that like put down the groundwork for all of this modern conspiracy thought. And Bill Cooper actually, he wasn't a loner. This guy had a wife and two daughters who stood by him the entire time. Like his wife was extremely supportive of him like all throughout this. And she had a full face and both feet.

Look at that. More than him. Yeah. And you know, he said he spent $27,000. What his plan was that after the visit from the men in black in the hospital, he figured the only way he could safely publish something like Behold a Pale Horse was if he spent years upon years disseminating this information and making sure that it was already out there. So by the time he published his book, you know, people would not, I mean, Bill Cooper's paranoia cannot be understated.

Let's just go ahead and say that. Yeah. Because he got into it because he actually touched the, he touched the sphere of the truth, which ruins everything. And Behold a Pale Horse, just know this, when you do read this, if you haven't, since the last time I read it was in high school, now rereading it, each chapter requires several rereadings because of the amount of, he does really try to like cite sources. Yes, the sources are all like the world's biggest conspiracy

and like how the police can smell your dick. And like all like weird books. But he has a lot of sources where you can go through and it's just fact, fact, fact, fact, quote unquote fact, quote unquote fact, fact, fact, fact. And then some of the stranger sources that he credits are just like Tuesday when I was on the toilet and you just have to find that. I thought about that. Just a snapshot of him on the toilet.

You'll notice where I thought about that. Well, if you do read it, I would recommend, start with chapter 10. Go backwards? Read chapter, yes, start with chapter 10 and then go back to chapter one. It's like Benjamin Button. Because chapters one through nine, he keeps name dropping all these things like alternatives one, two, and three.

Which he doesn't explain until chapter 10. He doesn't explain. And in chapter 10, he explains it all very well. I am a Navyman, okay? I am not an author, I am a navalman. Yeah, Behold a Pale Horse is definitely, it's a puzzle that you have there. And you also, you don't need to read all of it.

Because it is a thick book, but a lot of it, like half of it is appendices. Like he for some reason decides to completely reprint the protocols of the Elders of Zion. Not for anti-semitic purposes. We'll get into the reason why that later. But that's what makes him different than any other conspiracy theorist. He's trying to be as transparent as possible about his process

and show, look, I did all of these, I did this work for decades. I'm trying to pieces together. Yes, it's made me insane. Yes, a lot of it doesn't necessarily match up. But if you just think about it just hard enough, or just not enough, you can make the connections. Before we really get into the information contained in this book, it's important to get into the mindset of Bill Cooper.

We need to align with this guy. Henry, we'll now read an excerpt from the introduction of the book. Before reading this book, I advise you to play at least two complete games of chess. You must learn the rules they play by. You must realize objectively that some pieces are more valuable than others, and that the king is the most valuable of all. You cannot learn reality if you get caught up in the fantasy that, quote unquote, it's not fair.

He talks about chess a lot. Yeah, because you know what, this is before the matrix. Because every other conspiracy theorist since the matrix has come out has used, and so he's using a nice actual thing that makes sense. The key all of that shit makes sense. You know what I think we've got to do? Unionize the pawns. Then who's the most powerful players on the board, King?

Ben, you need to rebehold the pale horse. Also technically the queen is the most powerful piece on the entire board, which shows you women's power, Yasqueen, they're out there going diagonal as many spaces as they want. Okay, and now we'll wait five minutes until Henry pats himself on the back for saying something I guess wildly correct. Is that the sound you make when you're congratulating yourself? After the biographical information about himself, Cooper includes a copy of a document called Silent Weapons and Quiet Wars.

That document was written anonymously in 1979, but was not discovered until 1986 when it was found in a copier bought at a surplus sale. This is big. This is how these documents get found. I feel like I had the sheet of paper, where could I have, ah, did we sell the copier? Did someone sell the copier? I left the truth in the copier! In this document, the author describes the silent weapons as those that shoot situations, not bullets, originating from a computer instead of a gun,

operated by a programmer instead of a marksman, under the orders of a banker, instead of a general. Twitter? Yeah, it's like economics. Yeah, it's like economics. The first chapter makes no sense, but it boils down to, but if you read it a bunch, it does make sense, but it's the most true thing in the entire book,

because it basically talks about, we'll get into this, it's about how the New World Order is going to use the economy to manipulate us all. Well really, all in all, the whole thing, it makes some pretty good points about how the wealthy, aka the New World Order, keep the poor down through inferior education and economic manipulation. I mean, this is, it was written in 1979, it even predicted targeted advertising,

like we see with Google and Facebook. It says, eventually every individual element of the economic structure comes under computer control through a knowledge of personal preferences, such knowledge guaranteed by computer association of consumer preferences. He has stumbled upon the truth with that one, that's for sure. He absolutely stumbled upon the truth 40 years before it happened. What it does talk about is the concept of,

essentially currency was used to manipulate human beings since the beginning of time. Like as soon as we showed up and they realized that, oh, humans are money, then they can just, once they start thinking about the flow of human life, like the flow of money, they know, they figured out how they can manipulate us. Yeah, and it makes these great points, but like most conspiracy writing, it shoots itself in the foot by immediately following that with,

consumers will be identified via association with the use of a credit card, and later a permanent tattooed body number, invisible under normal envy and illumination. I don't think that that's far out of the realm of reality. You don't think so? There's already a company, I believe it was in Wisconsin, that is putting the chip in their employees so they can walk through easier, and they can go and get their lunch easier.

Swear to God that's how they're selling it. This is no longer a conspiracy. Yeah. They are putting the chips in people. Fuck. Mark of the Beast, buddy. No, this is what I was saying. Mark of the Beast and I get it to a lot,

because he says a lot of things, oh, these things will never happen. I was like, as far as I'm concerned, I know for a fact that the shit's in the fucking pipe. No fucking, Wendy, my doggy, has got a little tattoo where her chip is. Yeah, because you did that to her. Megalomaniac, you lord of the house.

I'm the new world order of this fucking house. Exactly. Wendy, but guess what? Wendy is being brought up to be a success. She's brought up to be a member of the elite. She will be a member of the Illuminati as soon as she learns not to shit in the house. Which is not going to happen if you continue to mix the dry and the wet food,

but we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. So with the scene set as to the methods of the new world order, Cooper then moves into the origins of the secret societies that run the world. And note that I say societies, not society. Here they are, as listed in Behold a Pale Horse. The Order of the Quest, the Jason Society, the Roshaniah,

the Kabbalah, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, the Masons, the Ancient Mystical Order of Rose Crucius, the Illuminati, the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Executive Members of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Group, the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the Rose Crucius, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group,

the Open Friendly Secret Society, a.k.a. the Vatican, the Russell Trust, the Skull and Bones, the Skrull and Key. They are all the same and all work towards the same ultimate goal of a new world order, and they are all out to rule the world. You forgot about the Burger King Kids Club. And the Burger King Kids Club is wheelie out there. That's very awesome. They all answer to the Round Table of the Nine,

which is technically the very top of the pyramid. And what we're basically, what they say here is that the quote-unquote Illuminati is just one of the many various groups that are centered around different areas of the world, like the Illuminati, like the Vatican controls the half of Europe. You've got the Royal Institute of the Internet, the Royal International Institute runs the U.K. Here we have the Council on Foreign Relations,

the Trilateral Commission. Those are our point men that all show up and meet at the Bilderberg meetings and then answer up to the Round Table of the Nine. And at some point, the plans are disseminated amongst each other when two nuclear submarines meet underneath the Arctic Polar Caps. They meet there together where the Russian people, the Russian government, the ones that do all the dirty work

for the very secret groups. You know what I say? Slow down a little bit. You know why you've got a funny joke about the Russians. That's what I get, my gut. But also, it's shit like this. I want to read this from his book, too, which I think will also help illuminate things a little bit more.

Because you know all of this is purposely orchestrated again by numerology. Yes. And I think it's important to remember this is how you can see all of this works out because it's about numbers. Anytime Henry says, and you know this is all, it's like, I don't know what's going to come next. And also, it's pretty staggering how many times Bill Cooper says,

coincidence? I think not. I think not. The numbers 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 39, and any multiple of these numbers have special meanings to the Illuminati. Notice that the Bilderberg group has a core of 39 members who are broken into three groups of 13 members in each group. Notice that the core of 39 answers to the 13 who make up the

policy committee. Take special notice that the 13 members of the policy committee answer to the round table of nine. You know the original number of states in the United States of America was 13. The Constitution is seven articles and was signed by 39 members of the Constitutional Convention. The United States was born on July 4th, 1776.

July is the seventh month of the year. Add seven for July and four and you have 11. One plus seven plus seven plus six equals 21, which is a multiple of three and seven. Add two plus one and you get three. Look at the numbers in 1776 and you see two sevens out of six, which is a multiple of three. Coincidence you say?

I say baloney. And really, I'd like to say something a lot stronger. For those of you who still say it's accidental, however, I offer the following evidence. I could write a book just on numerical links, but I won't. Interesting. Now, is it possible that like we have nine and 13 because you have to have odd numbers so someone can break a tie?

You do show up doing none of the reading. You come into the room. We have been sitting reading for hours and all this makes sense to us watching videos, long talks and you just show up and you think with your little precious bob moths. Your precious rationality. If there's a group of eight or 12, then there's a chance for a tie in which case nothing would be finished.

Well, all this started centuries ago with the brotherhood of the snake whose main commitments were the guarding of the quote unquote secrets of the ages and the exaltation of Lucifer, the light bringer as the one true God. Their ultimate goal, which they're still presumably working towards as remember Beholde Pell Horace was written in 1991, is to remake the world in their own image as a Luciferian totalitarian socialist state.

Give it to me. Give it to me. Doesn't sound fun. Now other conspiracy theories, specifically our friends over at bibliotechpleades.com say that the brotherhood of the snake was six thousand years ago in ancient Sumeria long before Lucifer was even conceptualized. Bibliotechpleades says that the brotherhood began with an

alien named Enki who created mankind as a slave race through a hybridization program that combined aliens with primitive earth creatures, possibly Neanderthals. Also big gigantic like because there were big like dinosaur hogs that they use. There was like dinosaur hogs and there was like dinosaur hippos that they would use and they made humans out of them. And again, it was because the aliens were sick of you digging

for gold for their starships for themselves. So this is the classic ancient aliens story that was personalized by the Sumerians. Or could it be? I was nicknamed hippo. So it all comes together. Yeah, it's just not a clever name. I was just fat with the skin pigment of a hippo.

But after a few years of looking over the humans he created, Enki started feeling sympathy towards his creations who were ignorant about their origins. And so he formed the brotherhood of the snake for the purpose of the purpose of quote unquote illuminating them. So it was the first secret school. It was the first time that there was going to be a, what a secret school means is that there's initiation right to

get you into the back door where a priest character will teach people like the certain truth and then they mask the truth with stories for everyone else. But Enki's superiors weren't on board with all this in the least bit and for Enki's crimes he was deported to Earth for all eternity, cursed to die and be reborn in endless cycles meaning any one of us could be the reincarnated spirit of Enki and we wouldn't even know.

We wouldn't even know it. You know who it is? Who? I know who it is. Who? Ted Danson. Ted Danson. That makes sense.

He's in Shmirnoff commercials. Shmirnoff. What are the Illuminati want? They want us drunk. Of course the brotherhood of the snake was eventually infiltrated by the Draconians aka the Reptilians and the whole thing was flipped and reversed into a secret society that distorted knowledge instead of clearing it all up.

Alright. Out of that reptilian version of the brotherhood came Freemasonry, the Rose of Crucians, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the O.T.O. Yep. Oh. What's O.T.O. again? What's O.T.O.?

Ordo Templi Orientis. Remember we hung out with that O.T.O. guy in Atlanta? Remember the one that looks like Bob from Twin Peaks? Yes. Yeah, Rob. Rob's the best. He's a lot of fun. Yeah, he's great.

Nice guy. Oh, very much so. Should I have been scared? Great guy. Okay. And of course the always dependable Illuminati came out of the brotherhood of the snake. Because remember this is, there are many different versions of

the story, right? It was like the Illuminati, this is the concept of the black nobility. Now, where in Bill Cooper, he says the black nobility are the people that are essentially the direct descendants of Jesus Christ and so they have a lot of importance in various political and economic spheres in terms of the idea of the New World Order. But according to David, the black nobility is what is also

viewed as the higher powered hybrids between reptilians and human beings that were then put in place in various areas. But Bill Cooper says that the reptilians lied to the Illuminati saying that they were aliens in order to get more influence over them, but actually they came from inside of the earth that they are just lizards. They're iguanas that evolved the same way we evolved from chimpanzees.

So it's a lie and a lie and a lie and a lie and a lie. That makes it a truth. That's interesting though because David Ike actually got famous being post-soccer career, of course, claiming that he was Jesus. Remember, it was in 1977, something like that and then he promised the end of the world it didn't happen and then he had to rethink the inks, like Chris Farley and Beverly Hills Ninja. Well, speaking of David Ike, the only stock conspiracy theory

group missing from this whole scenario are the Jewish peoples who are actually victims in all this as well according to Bill Cooper. In fact, I go as far as to say that this is one of the few, if not the only, non-anti-Semitic worldwide conspiracy theory out there. Round of applause. And this is where the ancient aliens and Bill Cooper's theories

joined together once more as they both agree on this one point in particular. The Jews' part to play in all this is the Patsy, taking the rap for the protocols of the Elders of Zion. You see, it was not a Jewish document at all. I mean, it never really was. It was a whole like satire thing, but a lot of people blame it on the Jewish people.

For the purposes of this conspiracy, the protocols are actually a coded Illuminati document that also did the double duty of making the Jews look bad. The secret to the whole code is to replace Zion with Zion and replace the words Jews and Goyim with Illuminati and Cavill. Oh, interesting. Do it.

Go do it right now. Stop the car. Go do it. Go look up the protocol. Dude, honestly, if you're at work, please do not look up the protocols of the Elders of Zion. No, do not. Keep your job.

Do not do it. Keep your job. Yeah, anywhere anybody has to look at your history. Also know that during this episode, one of the funnest parts of researching this episode and listening to this episode is that every one of these terms, if you type into Google or YouTube, you will have another fucking rabbit hole to jump down. There's so much stuff.

Oh, by the way, just a quick side note. I was walking through News Corp the other day about to do Fox News and I ran into someone who works for a very successful judge and he's a big listener. So we've infiltrated News Corp. So this episode will be heard from very powerful people inside. Well, we'll see if I get fucking murdered or not. Well, all this Illuminati stuff and free mystery stuff and

Vatican stuff and all that. We've given you a taste of what Bill Cooper says about this. Just a little smidge. If we were to get into all this shit, you want to drive your goddamn car into oncoming traffic because this shit, it gets very boring and very convoluted very, very quickly. I usually don't, as Henry points out on a regular basis, don't do a lot of the research.

But I will say, Bill Cooper, if you do go in a YouTube hole, there is something about his voice that is relatively soothing. So I was just doing dishes. I just had it on in the background. He's actually pretty... Oh, he's a radio guy. Oh my God, you were doing dishes. Does that mean you cooked a meal?

Yeah, we have gas markets. And I want to thank Megan from Oregon for the unbelievable cookbook that she sent as well. What did you eat? What did you make? Oh my God. Well, Brooke has been cooking and I've been doing mostly eating, hence doing the dishes.

It was a chicken. It was just good. It was vegetables. It was like, I'm starting to lose weight. I'm back on my plan. It smelled like a home for the first time in my apartment. Well, I mean, there are some interesting parts about all the like Illuminati, Freemason, Pope, economic manipulation shit.

Like, for example, did you know that Pope John Paul II, according to Bill Cooper, was the salesman who originally sold the Nazis the Zyklon B poison they then used to exterminate people in concentration camps? I don't want to say this, but yeah. Yeah. But also, you know what I'm saying? The Pope is the one who's supposed to choose the actual

head of the New World Order. But technically, the Pope can make a move and make himself the actual leader of the New World Order. And right now, there's a deep rift between the various contingencies of Illuminati is whether or not the Pope is going to take the throne for himself or he's going to abdicate to someone else more popular, like Barack Obama. Oh, interesting.

And if the Pope chooses the wrong person, then that person becomes the Antichrist. Oh, my God. Yeah. Judge Reynold is out. Well, you know, for the most part, if you want to read all this stuff, it's all out there for you. You know, it's all in Behold a Pale Horse if you really

want to get deep into all the Illuminati shit. But we're just not going to break it down here. What we're going to break down is FEMA. I love it. FEMA, the people who were just so great in their Katrina response. Now, Bill Cooper may hold a little bit of blame for whipping up anti-fema hysteria.

Now, the conspiracy theories surrounding FEMA have been around since its inception in the late 70s, but Cooper definitely kept the fire hot in the 90s until it really came back around in about, like, 99, 2000. These are the FEMA death camps, right? These are the FEMA concentration camps. Seriously, people have been talking about this since McCarter instituted it in the late 70s.

People, for some reason, have a hatred of big tents. They don't like seeing that. According to Bill Cooper, FEMA's official capacity as a quote-unquote emergency management branch of the government is nothing more than a ruse designed to mask its real objective, which is the subjugation of our local, state, and federal governments in the event of a national emergency.

So I actually have a hard time understanding this one. They just want to give people houses after a catastrophic event. Give people cages. But a house is a cage. As long as they can get out of it, it's fine. But that's what Gaddafi did in Libya, gave everyone a house, and people are just like, that's the start of it.

But I just don't fully understand it. Well, what it was is that a lot of it comes from certain bills that were passed in the 80s, specifically one that like Oliver North passed that did, that was, I mean, the way it was worded was pretty fucking vague. And it could have been interpreted any number of ways. But of course guys like Bill Cooper, they all say that, you know, it has to do with the right wing, that they're

coming against the patriot movement, that they're coming against militias, and when in fact Oliver North was targeting it at left wing groups. I mean, he was still doing bad shit, but he was not worried about the patriot groups. The contra-needed weapons, you know? They had to have them. Basically, they would fake an emergency, they would group

all these people in giant tents, and what they have here basically, they would re-educate them using drugs and hypnotism. And so that's how you put them all together into these big areas. And what we, Marcus and I talk about all the time, is like, yes, technically the Illuminati just wants to use us for our money and power and possibly, you know, just

to control us as group of people. Why would you want to put us in concentration camps? And I say that this kind of shit is more of an example of force of what we can do. What we choose to do is hypnotize you and sell you things, because essentially what we want is your Oregon energy, which eventually comes from your slow dissatisfaction over time, where the phone

slowly dissolves your relationships between your lovers and your dog and your family. Henry, I hate to break it to you, it's an Oregon energy. Sorry about that, but that's just the truth. But yeah, I mean, you look at the Japanese interming camps and things like that, the US has a history. Yeah, I mean, the US has definitely put people in interming camps in the past, but, you know, there's

still no evidence. Right. There's no evidence that FEMA... That little pesky thing of evidence. Yeah, that little pesky thing. Why would there be though? Why would there be? Cooper says that when the hour comes, all patriots

will be rounded up and placed into FEMA camps for reeducation. He's seen the documents. So free education. That sounds nice, actually. That does sound nice. Yeah, that does sound nice. Free education.

I'm feeling the burn. But Bill Cooper says that if this ever happens, it's going to happen on a holiday. And particularly, if it does happen, it would happen on the one day that everyone, especially patriots, would be loaded with heavy food and booze. We're talking Thanksgiving. Oh, it's coming up.

The war on Thanksgiving is real. But it's perpetrated by the government. Wow. And here's what Bill wrote in all caps, I might add, in Behold a Pale Horse about all that. My recommendation is no patriot should ever be at home or at the home of any family member on any holiday ever again until the traitors have been hung and the Constitution

restored as a supreme law of the land. This has been Bill Cooper spreading the truth. Bill, we've got your yams. The yams are ready. You don't want it now. You're making my, you're being of liability. Anybody who comes to me gets hurt. Bill.

Honestly, but think about this makes me feel a lot of feelings for Bill Cooper. He has never been able to have a cupcake. He's never been able to sit and just like have a leisurely walk because at some point he's like, this is when they're going to come get me. As soon as my fucking back is turned, as soon as my wary eye has relaxed into a sleepy dip, they'll come and find me.

Yeah, that is too bad. But if you think about it, you know, they didn't want the Thanksgiving, the turkey was supposed to be the national bird. What's in turkey? Tryptophan. What does that make you do? Fall asleep? See, you're making connections about it.

They went with the eagle. I was getting it. But I feel bad for his family. You know, every Thanksgiving. Like they have to get in their RV and drive out to the middle of the woods because dad thinks that the government's going to come and get him. He is like a conspiracy theory, Clark Rizzwald.

It's him and our bell. But it could be the last like real dudes. They were like, they were really truly into this shit. I think until the kids are like 10 years old, it's got to be a little bit fun to have wacky dad. Like wacky dad is probably kind of fun until you realize we're different than the others. Wait till I get the two Asian children.

I will eventually adopt that. I will just tell that. I'm not going to tell them that they're Asian. I will just tell them they're very Polish and that we've had them and they will be here in the house just like hanging out. We're going to have a lot of fun in my bunker. Sounds like you do not have the proper motivation for adoption. Oh, I'm going to reeducate them.

I'm going to reeducate them about all of this stuff because I have nothing but these books. As far as Bill Cooper goes, there's a reason why he's so god damn paranoid. Let's go through some of his other theories. Just like just some of the other stuff that he truly believes because with Bill Cooper, like Henry said, this guy is a true believer in every sense of the word.

Let's start with the baby boom. Okay. Now as we all know, after World War II, the population of the United States exploded. The problem was the elite knew that the overpopulation of the earth would eventually be the downfall of humankind. They responded to this with a two prong attack. Uh-oh.

Lower the birth rate and increase the death rate. Increase the death rate. Interesting. Lowering of the birth rate was actually pretty good for everyone. They introduced diaphragms. They made condoms a lot easier to get. They introduced foams and, most importantly, birth control pills.

That was only half the plan. As Bill Cooper points out, it looks bad if people find out their government is systematically murdering them. You can't just round everyone up and shoot every 10th person in the head. You can't just get, and you're taking, and you're grappling. Uh-huh. You know, lower the population, babe.

You're so mad because, oh, they took my fucking uncle out there and they shot him in the fucking head. You know, you fucking hated your uncle. Maybe he liked his uncle, though. Well, they had to use more covert means than that to raise the death rate. And this was said to be done through the introduction of disease through vaccines.

Oh, no. We can't blame anti-vaccine on Bill Cooper. I mean, that idea has been around since the inception of vaccines. When they first introduced the smallpox vaccine, religious leaders said that it was un-Christian because it was made from animals and it went against the will of God. No, I'm pretty sure the anti-vaxxer movement began with

Jenny McCarthy when she was on Oprah. I'm pretty sure that's when it all started, if I'm correct with my timeline. I did a little bit of reading on the history of anti-vaxxing when I was doing research on this. And it's pretty fascinating. It is not a new thing at all. Well, it's just a mistrust of science and medicine, right?

It's a mistrust of science and medicine. It's a personal freedom thing. You're going to tell me the scientist man going to put disease in me? Yeah. Oh, you're going to touch me, scientist man. Bill Cooper, he didn't say anything about vaccinations causing autism.

Oh, we didn't, okay. No, it was absolutely nothing like that. What he said vaccines caused was AIDS. Ah, okay. Interesting, an interesting take on much, much, much different than autism. Bill Cooper said that the ruling class used smallpox vaccines in Africa and hepatitis B vaccines in

America to thin out the black, Hispanic and gay populations as they were considered by the most evil among us to be expendable. Well, this is what a lot of pro-life people say as well about Margaret Sanger, the woman who founded Planned Parenthood. It kind of wraps all into it as well. That she is a person, well, she was extremely racist.

But that was her, that was her plan to take down the black and Hispanic population. But it's weird how like that idea has been around for a very long time. The idea of AIDS being, especially that AIDS was incredibly scary in the early 90s. This was definitely, it was viewed as the plague. Oh my God, it was.

It was going to be killing everybody. Because they didn't know how to, because at first when they just made it grid, and they said it was a gay disease, it helped isolate it. And so people weren't as panicked about it. And as soon as it really came known that anybody could have it, it was, I mean, it was very scary. Oh yeah.

And I could see how we used it to, I see having a mistrust of the government. And I also get the idea of, because what did we do? We did the syphilis tests. We did those tests on the Tuskegee Airman. We did a bunch of shit where it's like the United States government has played with diseases. And the CIA used San Francisco as a fucking testing

ground for many shit. They dropped shit into the water all the time. And then you got fucking dioxin. We don't even fucking get into that kind of shit. Yeah. My brother-in-law Don, he's about, you know, he's a little bit aged. And he lost so many people to the AIDS epidemic.

I mean, it's so real. And yeah, I mean, making it a gay disease, then the government just ignored it for 20 years. Yeah, of course. Yeah, Ronald Reagan, you know, completely ignored it. Everybody ignored it for a very long time. However, a lot of people were just dying of cancer. Yeah.

Like Rock Hudson. Yeah, that's it. It's unbelievable. Yeah. And Klaus Nomi, let us not forget. That's right. Well, there were other programs in place besides just this one.

Bill said that the government fertilized tobacco fields with radioactive material from uranium mines, causing a huge increase in cancer among smokers. Honestly, give me that cigarette though. Like give me that cigarette immediately. That's just sad because he's just mad that the fucking government ruined cigarettes for him, but actually cigarettes just kill you.

Yeah. Bill Cooper was just probably smoking a lot of cigarettes and being like, I can't believe they're killing me with these. I think it's the paper. No, Bill, you are. It's the paper around the cigarette. The government's tainting the paper.

Well, I mean, over the years, the tobacco companies did introduce a lot more deadly chemicals into cigarettes to make them more addictive and to make them last longer and to make them not smell as bad, like introducing fiberglass, you know, all kinds of shit. So there is definitely something to, you know, the corporations, at least the corporations, introducing deadlier and deadlier chemicals into

cigarettes. Codiak. Codiak chewing tobacco literally has fiberglass in it, so it chops up your lip a little bit so you get that sweet Codiak high. Same with menthol cigarettes. And Joe Camel was actually based off a real guy. He was based after, it was an Arabian millionaire

that Princess Diana had actually met while she was with Prince Charles before they ended up divorcing each other. And he had the biggest, thickest cock in the world. And they called him Joe Camel because it was racist and actually makes me really upset that they did that. Of course.

But he filled her up so wall-to-wall inside of her vagina that she was like, we got to do something for him. Right, right. And so they tossed him the camel spots. So they traveled back in time 30 years and whispered into an ad execs here. Joe Camel.

Joe Camel. Joe Camel. Joe Camel. Camel Big Cock. Guys smoke cigarettes, looking like a camel. Camel Big Cock. Cigarette Big Cock. We got it.

Joe Camel. And the kids were hooked ever since. Well, Bill Cooper does give the Illuminati credit. They're right about one thing. The world is overpopulated. We have been destroying the environment for decades. And we are consuming resources at a pace that far outstrips their ability to regenerate.

Yep. That's not an argument at all. I'm scared of two plastic cups right here. Yeah. I'm part of the problem. And part of the main concept of the Illuminati, right, was that a group of elites that were essentially bred and chosen to lead.

They are smarter than everybody else. They have the connections. They know how to do stuff. And a part of what they're trying to say is, yes, we're going to force you into this gigantic new world order. But it's for your own good. They have like certain rationalizations that keep saying stuff like, what about dirty bombs?

What about like random crazy terrorism? If you just allow the new world order to take over, we'll eliminate all these security problems for you. We'll give you everything that you want. All you have to do though is a big chunk. You need to live in these camps so we can squeeze the organ energy from you to give to our reptilian masters. And that's the truth, right?

The idea is that we're trying to give stuff to the reptilian masters who appeared to the ancients in the form as the devil, as the snake. But actually, they were just aliens. And in a matter of fact, they weren't even aliens. They lived here. There it is. Remember what I was saying earlier about conspiracy theorists?

At first, it sounds like really good. Yeah, man. I hear what you're saying. We're starting to get a dialogue going here. And then just shoot themselves in the foot. Shoot themselves. You don't want to cover all your bases. You don't want to go to the links that it takes.

The thing that I disagree with most about what you just said, Henry, is that they're smart. They're all morons. That's the great irony about it. They are all so stupid. Because it comes from the old idea from keeping families pure. But instead, what we're doing is just making all these dumb people by inbreeding.

I mean, like Henry said, like these guys, they're trying to make the next evolutionary jump. And the next evolutionary jump in humankind is the star seed. You know, space colonization. And Bill Cooper agrees that that is the next step. But he doesn't agree with how they're doing it. He proposes that the Illuminati are right, that our current system is unsustainable,

but we don't need to kill people to fix it. What's actually needed is a species-wide paradigm shift in our own evolutionary consciousness. Although he, like the rest of us, are at a bit of a loss as to how we actually make that happen. Got any ideas, Henry? I'll tell you exactly what it is. Honestly, but Bill Cooper is right about this,

and I've talked about this several times. It's the realization and true understanding that we are an extension of the consciousness at the center of the universe. The universe is a gigantic, conscious living entity. There's multiple, multiple of them upon each other. And what human consciousness is, is the farthest extent of it. Where consciousness, just our physical corporal consciousness

throughout the universe, on different planets, different races of other aliens. That idea that we realize that we're all one big organism, and then every single thing that we do reflects down the line. We constantly are hurting each other, and we hurt ourselves. That's important. I like what you're saying. I like what you're saying. We are the world.

And we make a little, like, pop jingle. A pop, like, we are the world. Hey, guys, I know I'm a famous child molester, but I'll definitely sing that song for y'all. Okay, thank you. We'll forget about the first part, because remember when he walks backwards. Oh, I love that. They call it the moonwalk.

It looks like he's walking forwards, but he's actually going backwards. It's pretty charming. I don't suck him or fuck him. I just sleep with him. He looks like he's going forward, but now he's actually going backwards. Wow, wow. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Well, before we get to the next evolutionary jump, it is important to remember... Patrice must not be at home on any national holiday during the day or night, ever again, until the danger is past. Disregard this warning, and you will find yourself in a concentration camp. Like Jerry Lewiston in that movie.

Oh, the one that's not to be released. The clown who cried, which we will see. Why would they be out of the house? Don't you think you would want to be in your house? Because isn't the government going to pick up people on the street to put them in the camps? No, no, no, no, no. Because they're not just picking up anybody.

They're picking up patriots. And they've got all the patriots' names and addresses in their gigantic patriot database. So when the day of reckoning comes, the shock troops are going to be sent specifically to the houses of the patriots in the middle of the night when they're drunk and full of turkey. So do you judge a patriot by how many downloads

of Toby Keith songs they have? What is the judge of a patriot? You know what, man? You're wiretapping them. You know, subscriptions and guns. That's why you don't register guns. Because then they know who the patriots are. Because to be a patriot, you've got to have a lot of guns.

You know that. Of course, of course. I know that. All of this shit's now rigged for sound. I've got an Alexa in one room. I've got the Echo in the other room. The fucking remote on the Apple TV. You did that.

No one forced you to do that. You chose all of that. I want them to come for me. But it comes down to it. It's like, if they come and get me, is that not signal to everyone that the fucking game is on, that the fucking starter pistol has been shot,

fucking New World Order starting? If they come for me, y'all better watch your fucking asses. When we get into the later moments of Bill Cooper's life, I could see Henry doing something similar. Yeah, we're going to need an intervention on Henry at some point. Why? I'm going to tell you why.

Because right now, we're going to get into the later years of Bill Cooper's life. This is why it ends. Yeah, we're going to tell you how that mindset ends, where that shit ends up. So in 1993, Bill Cooper began his career as a radio host with his show, The Hour of the Time. And this is not well known, but Bill Cooper,

he didn't originate this term, but he was the guy who popularized the term sheeple. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's legit. He's hardcore. Yeah, and from there, Cooper went on to become an Oklahoma City truth,

or claiming the government was behind the whole thing. And whether he truly believed this, or just didn't want to admit that one of his listeners was the perpetrator, is anyone's guess. We are going to have a lot of listeners who end up commit crimes. And that's not our fault. We're saying this right now, it's not our fault.

It is interesting, you could argue Bill Cooper was actually just as responsible for Oklahoma City as the government. Bill Clinton argued that. Yeah. They came right out and said it. Yeah. Bill Clinton never lied.

Not even once. They came right out to this. The White House released a memo specifically naming Bill Cooper as, quote, the most dangerous radio host in America. And you don't think that that's not on purpose, and that doesn't fucking validate every single thing that he says, because in July 1998,

yes, he was officially charged with tax evasion. But Bill Cooper was, but the reason why Bill Cooper was doing that was because that shows how fucking legit he is. He's not giving money to the fucking government. He doesn't want them to have it because he knows they're going to fucking use it to fund their big tents, that they're using it for free education.

Maybe they're also using it to fund the roads that he drives onto the radio station. He records in his home. Well, a year after he was charged with tax evasion, Cooper sent his wife and kids out of the country for their own protection. But all that didn't deter his radio career, did not the warrants, not sending his wife and kids

out of town, as in the year 2000, Bill Cooper went head to head with a young upstart named Alex Jones. Fuck, this is when Alex Jones, he was young, he was handsome, he was full voiced, he was ready to go. I don't know about the handsome part. Oh, he was handsome, he was handsome.

He just mildly looks like you, Henry. He was thinner, he wasn't handsome, he was just thinner. Oh, he was a big boy, he was a lineman. I was reading about that, I didn't know, he played some ball back in the day, he's big and strong. Think about that, that is probably close to 475 pounds of conspiracy theorist. Just against each other.

I would love to see that slap fight, those two big pale bellies just slapping against each other in a fart line. Bill Cooper would destroy Alex Jones in a fight. He's got one leg, but he's also a military man. He fought in fucking Denang. Bill Cooper knows how to handle himself. I love him, I love him.

It's so funny. It's not a surprise that Cooper and Alex Jones butted heads. The difference between the two is that Cooper's the real thing. This guy is true blue, real thing, conspiracy theorist, he did his time in the military. Bill Cooper is an actual example.

Alex Jones is just a showman. And that's all he is, he's a con man. And on Y2K, you know, and Alex Jones, he's been a con man for almost 20 years. He saw a gap and he filled it. He knew exactly how to put out the information. Alex Jones is incredibly entertaining. Bill Cooper is way more sober.

His shit is long, his talks are three hours long and they are slow, but they are very serious. So in 2000, New Year's Eve, that night, Alex Jones deliberately spread dangerous misinformation on his radio show, claiming that cash machines all over Europe had stopped working, that Austin was running out of gas, that a nuclear power plant had shut down

in upstate New York, and so on and so forth. Either trying to get ratings, get people listened to, Of course the ratings, yeah. Or to incite a riot. And interestingly enough, considering where Alex Jones is today, he named Vladimir Putin as the one behind it all, calling him a demon and saying he was a creature of the IMF. Really? Yeah.

You know, it is sort of that Orwellian sort of war of the worlds type scenario that he was going for, which is one of the best moments in radio history, also extremely dangerous for society, but it did prove the power of the medium. Yeah, it absolutely did. You know, they did it World of Worlds again in Argentina in the 70s, four people died.

Oh. But that's good radio. Yeah, the irony is there is no greater, if you want to use the stupid term sheeple, than people who follow this guy, Alex Jones. Like for whatever he says, they just go, they navigate the world with him, it's very interesting to see.

Well, Cooper, a man of principle, responded to Alex Jones's Y2K episode by saying, ironically considering it's Alex Jones, that the entire broadcast was a false flag operation. He intended to incite a riot within the general population, and Alex Jones was nothing more than a disinformation agent, possibly in the employee of the CIA. Do we know that he is not?

He got a president elected. Honestly, we do not know if he is not, and that actually kind of turns my stomach a little bit. To think about it. Kind of makes me upset to see that Alex Jones, just even seeing that sentence, having Bill Cooper saying that Alex Jones is a disinformation agent really like gets me,

because Bill Cooper also attacks Stanley, freed many attacks. Willie Streiber. Willie Streiber, he goes to everybody. That's where Bill Cooper really was a man alone. He made enemies of everyone, and that shows that he was fucking real. And Alex Jones, man,

he got fucking chased those allegations. I just didn't think about that. Makes me upset and have to question so many things. Yeah, your eyes are starting to cross. Well, Jones responded to that with a smear campaign, but that was the least of Cooper's worries, because that year Cooper was officially named a major fugitive due to him avoiding

those pesky tax evasion charges from two years prior. Okay. But in 2001, Cooper came back at Jones, calling him, quote, a lying sensationalist bullshit artist. And that's the great thing about Cooper. He saw Alex Jones exactly for what he was right from the beginning.

Right. It took, but the rest of us, man, we just looked at Alex Jones as a clown. No, Alex clown, it should be his name. Yeah, we looked at Alex Jones as a clown for years and years and years. We always showed his videos at our live show. You know, we'd send clips to each other on text messages,

but Bill Cooper saw Alex Jones for what he truly was and what he has proved himself to be dangerous. Dangerous. And yes, there is a pro Bill Cooper YouTube video pointing out that Alex Jones has a bunch of Jewish connections, but you got to remember Bill Cooper died long before that. And many of his fans, admittedly, are truly awful. And they only pay attention to about half of what he said.

They only pay attention to the stuff that they agree with or the stuff that reinforces their worldview. They don't look at the big picture. Well, a lot of us also back in the day, a lot of Bill Cooper's original fans were deep into their 70s. So now that they are skeletons and everybody else that is, like everybody that was now slowly finding him

is either grizzled vets, which I think are really important, but the problem is that they are already mad. They're going to take it to the streets. And then it's just YouTube monsters like myself that just sit and watch things in the dark all night. Well, it's like people who glorify Bill Hicks and granted fine comedian,

but they just look at like his anti-war stuff as opposed to all the extremely homophobic stuff that he was doing in the past as well. I love Bill Hicks. I'm just saying people pick and choose what they want. Yeah, you need to kind of look at the whole picture there. So yes, as I mentioned, Bill Cooper is dead, but like his beliefs, his death is anything but simple.

In late October 2001, Bill Cooper pulled a gun on his neighbor over a trespassing dispute and received yet another arrest warrant. This time, it was for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Bad move for Bill Cooper. You don't fucking go onto Bill Cooper's property. He would ever possess you to go over there.

Of course, he's going to fucking show you a gun. He then went on air saying he would not surrender and would kill anyone who attempted to capture him. Another bad move. And unfortunately, he kept that promise on November 5th. Oh, we're coming up on the anniversary. Now we are. On that day, the Apache County Sheriff's Department

concocted a plan to draw Bill Cooper out from his property as they knew he was agitated and heavily armed. I hope they understand how long they're going to be waiting. I have so much goddamn Hormel Chili in here. I don't wait them out a year and a half. I have so much Hormel Chili. I'm going to forget who my kids are. Deep cut, Alex Jones.

So no one that he was agitated and heavily armed, they figured they'd draw him out. So they stationed two cops near Cooper's house and they had him posed as drunken teenagers listening to the radio way too loud. Come on, Billy. Let's take our skateboards and go over to Bill Cooper's house. Yes, exactly, Alexander, my friend, who is only 16 years old.

Let's go stand outside of Bill Cooper's house and listen to the famed children's album that the children love. I believe it is called Matelica. Yes, Matelica. It's so cartoonish. It's like when they try to catch Heathcliff by putting fishbones underneath the box

with a little stick and they say, come get it, free fishbones. So when Bill Cooper came out, they tried to arrest him, but Cooper managed to get back in his car and he drove back towards the house. An unmarked police car blocked his way, so Cooper got out and ran past the car. And here's where things get murky.

The cops knew that Cooper was heavily armed and were tipped off that he kept a loaded AK-47 right next to his front door. And remember, Bill Cooper had already said in public on his radio show that he was going to kill anyone that came to take him down. But before he got to his front door, the first shot was taken.

The police report says that Bill shot first, hitting one of the officers twice in the head, killing him instantly. Others claim the cops took the first shot and Bill was just quote-unquote defending himself, even though he could have avoided all this but just not pulling a gun on his neighbor and just paying his taxes.

Well, the neighbor could have avoided shooting by getting off his damn lawn. You need to fucking tell me, Marcus. Honestly, he's going to go out there and he's going to attack the government every day on his fucking radio show. Every single day he's going to go out there and talk about the things that he saw

and the idea that the New World Order is about to happen. They're about to send a satellite, the Gemini satellite filled with plutonium into the center of Jupiter in order to blow it up in order to mimic an alien invasion into our solar system in order to enact gigantic martial law across the entire planet.

And you need to tell me, he's supposed to give them money? An innocent man is dead. An innocent man is dead. At the end of the day, an innocent man who was just trying to do his job, a police officer, died because of Bill Cooper's principles, a man died.

But in his, yes, of course, it's horrible. But imagine, in the scenario, one turns to the other, they remove their contacts. You see the reptile eyes underneath it, and being like, you know what to do. Yes, frame the fat one. And then he pulls a gun to his own head and blows his fucking brain.

And if that did happen, Bill Cooper would be justified. Yeah. If true, it's huge. Huge if true. Huge if true. Huge if true. Well, either way, by the end of it, Bill Cooper laid dead on the ground right beside

the cop that he shot in the head. And of course, the conspiracy theory surrounding Bill's death started immediately because the only person that was alive at the end of it was the other cop. Right. No one else saw it besides those three people. The most popular conspiracy theory involved something Bill Cooper said just a few months before on his radio show.

In June of 2001, Cooper said that a major terrorist attack perpetrated by Osama bin Laden would happen within the following months. And for this, Cooper was silenced. But this, I don't buy at all. Plenty of people made that exact same prediction, both in the government and in the media. It was not the most difficult thing in the world to figure out.

Yeah. Man, they should have shot him in 97 when they had a chance. When they had a chance. But you know, it is strange, the bin Laden family being flown out on 9-11. Yeah. The only place in the area where that's a whole another story.

Go listen to it. We already covered it. We already covered it in part two for that story. But at the end of the day, you can't avoid arrest warrants for years and then pull a gun on your neighbor and expect much good to come over. And I think over the years, Cooper's paranoia got the best of him and it resulted in both his own death

and even more tragically, the death of a police officer just trying to do his fucking job. Yeah. It really is sad that an innocent line have to be lost through this whole thing. I honestly do have some sympathy, the two of you, looking at me with your dagger-like eyes. But what I will say, though, at the same time,

that he was legit. He truly, in somewhere deep inside of him, believed that all of this shit was about to come down and he was putting his life on the line. And he would begin a lot of his talks talking like that, saying like, you guys have to be prepared that this revolution is not going to be very nice. It's not going to be very easy.

We have to go and do it. And so if you truly do believe that there are reptilian aliens talking to various secret groups that help run our government, you're going to do a lot of fucked up shit. And honestly, I could see Alex Jones having a similar situation occur. Somebody coming out from his account. Who knows what's going to happen there? I'm predicting it right here.

I've said it for a couple of months now on Ableton's Top App. Well, Bill Cooper, I think there's an important lesson here in all of this. It's totally fine to talk about all this stuff. It's even fine to believe in some of this stuff. But as we also saw with Timothy McVeigh, who you'll remember was a big fan of Bill Cooper's, taking this shit too far usually results in paranoia, alienation, and destruction.

You cannot take this shit too far. You have to temper yourself. It has to stop someone. The only people that have taken something too far that I'm okay with juggalos. Juggalos. Because I actually think they would do more harm without the juggalos family. They would do way much more, way more harm. Well, they came all the way back around full circle to being a peace group.

Yeah, exactly. That's insane movement. Yeah, that's great. I'm totally down for that. But talking about conspiracy theory and shit like that, that's not dangerous. That's not dangerous. You have to be able, and at all times, question the government, reality.

I think it's important. I think it's always important to constantly think of everything. Absolutely is important. Don't believe what the fucking television tells you. Get off the fucking internet as much as you can. Don't believe the news. But honestly, it's all of this shit. It's like, because it's all owned by...

There are things that are in Beholded Pillowers that are completely real. The idea of the corporate entities running everything. You were nothing but a number. They want you for your money and that's it. You're useless. They do not care about you. They don't... However, they do now have a naked egg taco.

I saw that. And I am probably excited about this. Just remember, you know, just talk to other people and try to have friends. And maybe a good thing to do is that if you really want to take things back, start on a local level. Sort of like what Kissel's doing. Like when you go and you... Exactly like what Kissel's doing.

And remember, go to the polls this Tuesday, November 7th. Honestly, if we could scare the hell out of him, that would be amazing. That'd be amazing. Let's do it. Just locally involve yourself, but also remember, Kissel's also going to have to remember at some point you're going to be at a party with you. Neil DeGrasse, Tyson, Hillary Clinton, watching a bunch of babies play with knives. You're going to have to sit there and decide whether or not you're going to keep your mouth shut or not.

Yeah. I mean, I think this conspiracy though, especially like Bill Cooper, like the underlying message is worthwhile. It's definitely something worth paying attention to. But I think reading it through the lens of conspiracy thought, it's just another way to think about it. And all this stuff has to be seen with a critical eye. You know, nobody can be trusted except for yourself.

You know, like you have to make up your own mind about all of this shit. And if you really think about a lot of this conspiracy thought, critically, I mean, there are a thousand holes in all of this. There's a thousand holes and contradictions. But that's where the belief comes from. And that's the work that the Illuminati put in to create shadow of the doubt. You fucking rubs. This is what got me.

This is what drove me nuts growing up evangelical though. We're just like, but what about the fact that Jesus, like when his face be falling off? No, no, no. Well, that's the problem with belief is you can't change belief. That belief is rigid and belief leads. And once you have a rigid belief in something like it can lead to some really bad shit. You know, it can lead, you know, you can lead, you know,

you have an intense Christian belief. It can lead to you bombing a abortion clinic. You know, you have intense anti-government belief. It leads to you bombing the mural building. Totally. The terror attack that we saw this week in New York. A couple of days ago, this ISIS motherfucker, you know, it led to killing eight people.

You know, that's the problem with intense belief. There's nothing wrong with thinking about shit. There's nothing wrong with having fun with it. But belief is dangerous. Of course, he talks about the problems with extremist thought, which I think is really funny. He says that that's what the Illuminati espouses is extremist right and left thought. That's the whole point.

That's how you keep people controlled. Basically, you whip them up into little camps. And basically, he also sort of, he predicts the idea of political identity and attaching it to your actual identity. He talks about how they would use labels like liberal and conservative in order to immediately deconstruct every single thing. And it's true because we looked up what happened with Facebook and the election. They played us like a fucking fiddle from hell.

Ooh, that sounds like a fun Charlie Daniel song. It is from Batman Returns. I'm pretty certain it's from Batman Returns. Yeah, so what do we got coming up next? Yeah, next week is the fun side of Bill Cooper. That's when we're talking about alien adventures, the secret government, and the secret that is Majesty 12. That's true though in this.

This is next week is where I'm going to actually probably leave it a little bit more serious because I'm much more invested in this. Yes, and if you get a chance, honestly, just you two, Bill Cooper, he's strangely compelling when he speaks. He's very compelling. Well, that's the episode. Thank you all so much for listening. Yeah, thank you guys so much.

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