Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 295: Black Widows Part I - The Polish Prognosticator

Episode Date: November 18, 2017

On part one of our two part series, we cover the enigmatic serial killer known as the Black Widow. Join us as we cover psychic Tillie Klimek who "predicted" her husbands' deaths, Mary Elizabeth Wilson who had a joke to go along with every murder, and Betty Lou Beets, a.k.a. Trailer Park Betty. Four Beers' Polka Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

There's no place to escape to this is the last talk on the left That's when the cannibalism started I want to Toby's out there. No, no, no, there's a real Toby genocide happening in this country actually until I met you guys I called him tobe I've never talked I'd never talked to anybody about Texas Jainsaw massacre before you guys and so like for the longest time Like I just called him tobe because Toby is supposed to have a why do you think that he was a man born in a potato barrel? That is that he was a man born with his feet fused together. That's absolutely amazing Are we good to start this show? We are all right everyone. Welcome to the last podcast on the left. I'm Ben kissle

I'm staring at Marcus parks great John Carpenter Halloween shirt Marcus. Thank you very much and beautiful Sonny Los Angeles Henry Zabrowski. Yes I'm now in what is now called the goblins downstairs nest which is Jackie's room Which is the studio the last podcast and as to annex on the west coast But we have a we have a roof access that's now Jackie's goblins nest where she sits there Now there is a loose sort of like circle of cigarette butts roughly in the shape of Jackie Right by the chair Of course Jackie Zabrowski from page seven and the round table of gentlemen right here on the LPN network

Speaking of Jackie Zabrowski today's episode is female themed. It's all about black widows There's a lot of anger out there right now a lot of rage is a lot of rage There's a lot of you know what and it's it's ladies time. It's like I'm gonna go out there You gotta run we gotta run these pieces of shit at every job that they have right? We're gonna go chase them down and what better to celebrate all of this than women slowly killing their husband Sometimes very quickly killing their husbands technically HLN has made their entire network about black widows Basically, it's all forensic files, which is just like you have some Gatorade in no way is it? What's the name of that beautiful tasting thing that you put in cars?

What are you the beautiful tasting thing that you would antifreeze antifreeze for some reason they made antifreeze like taste Amazing, and I don't know why they decided to do that. I'll tell you why it was a very curious mechanic Yeah, like oh, you know what we got to do is it's like what's nice is is that it also makes a nice breakfast juice? It's very straight ID channel has been teaching women how to kill men for a really long time I think it's about time to start taking these lessons literally This is good for you. This is what this is teaching you this is a reach out All right Well the black widow subset of serial killers falls mostly under the hedonist comfort killer category

These women kill mostly for profit usually a sizable life insurance policy Although some admit to getting off on it just a little bit when you say sizable life insurance policy sometimes you'll be like and Betty Lou came back with $8,000 Often times it's not the most sizable, but it just shows how much that husband was worth to her Exactly, I'd rather have the $8,000 and and the the moist that women get from this is more of a do Correct like it's not a stream. I don't know how sexual it is in nature necessarily Some of them do get some sort of like a little bit of sexual charge, but mostly it's about power And control with some of these women rather than a sexual component to it

Well, we'll get into the differences later on about the differences between male and female serial killers and what each one of them gets Out of it, although some killers have said for example, Carla Faye Tucker Who killed a couple of people with a pickaxe? Yes, she said that with With every fall of the pickaxe she had a teeny little orgasm. That's right. We covered that case Uh extensively here on the show so go over back and listen to those episodes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah on the episode titled Also when you kill your spouse you get all of the chips left over in the in the cabinet Which is good So you want to kill them right after they just bought a bunch of jalapeno kettle chips

Yes Well the best known male equivalent to the black widow would be HH Holmes who either took out insurance policies on victims like he did with His business partner or murdered them after gaining a piece of their financial pie like he did with many and nanny Williams I am mini. No, I know you are mini. I am nanny. You know, you just pulled the string No, no, no, no, I am nanny. You are mini He did it Well black widows are unique in that they are one of the few victim specific categories of serial killers They are even more unique in that they actually know their victims personally their spouses lovers acquaintances and

Children where he's male serial killers. It's strangers and it shows that the crimes are still about men The crime is still it's still been put in the context of it's still just about the dudes It's not about the women just murdering for money. Well, it's not necessarily about the dudes a lot of them kill children They killed their own children, right like for example, Mary Ann cotton killed 11 of her 13 children because they take out insurance policies On these kids and then they kill them and then they collect and this is these these are different Sort of children killers then let's say that what was the name of Andrea Yates? Yes, the one who put the children in the trunk and so that was drove it into the that was mental illness That was postpartum depression. That was a whole different thing like these women are they're psychopaths. They're they're sociopaths these women

Have no regard for human life whatsoever, okay, it's just the latest form of abortion It's the most late late late late late late late late term abortion that can possibly be I don't want to be controversial But I'm against it. I'm against it. I'm against also the shit. They're just doing the nwo's job In the end they're lessening the population. We need more. We need less mouths to feed out there. All right, because That's really true. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that's the right stance to take They're polluting the ocean with all these cars You could say that but I'm saying the biggest problem is these bitches going feed me feed me feed me

I want to be president. I want to be a murderer. I want to be a cat burglar I want to be an artist Technically that little dog of yours is sucking up quite a bit of oxygen as well No, she she was chewing on a dead mouse last night. So a part of her she is now starting to fix the problem Wow Officially entered the food chain. Congratulations, Wendy That's adorable now narratively the problem with a lot of black widows is that their stories end up being a buncha and then For example, Mary Ann Cotton aka the Durham County Cotton Mouse. Yeah

How much weed do you have to smoke to get that nickname? No, while I now while she did end up with quite the body count 21 including those 11 of 13 children that I mentioned her story is pretty straightforward She murdered a husband and then a kid and then another kid and then another husband and so on and so forth Oh, same thing with nanny dos aka the giggling grandma. I like that one I do like the idea of that's a that's a good wrestling name 350 pound man dressed as it like with a babushka on Just power slamming dudes. What's what's his finisher? He kills your child in front of you

So it's more of an emotional harpery Now we would cover bell gunness on this episode But honestly bell needs an episode all of our own and we've got to wait until harold shekter releases his new book about her Called hell's princess, which is out april 1st. Wow. Shekter's still at it, huh? Oh, dude, I saw I saw shekter give a talk on bell gunness You know in anticipation of his new book last year at crime con man I can't wait to see what he does with this story. It's gonna be fantastic And you know right now harold shekter sitting alone in his room with his big quill just being like it may be

The only problem that bell's gunness had was that she didn't meet the right man If only that wonderful princess could have met old harold shekter But too busy for me. I'm sitting here with my tomes Brightened long hand with the quill as one does Because of a true crime writer does not do it. How do we not fulfill the legacy of Edgar Allen Poe? I love that all true crime authors have to write with a quill. Otherwise, you're not authentic Now they say poison is a woman's weapon usually derisively But that statement does have quite a bit of truth to it at least up until the 70s

Almost half of all recorded american female serial killers use poison at least sometimes in the course of their killing sprees And those are just the ones who get caught Hmm now interestingly in the 70s when america was experiencing serial killer boom female multiple and single murderers Experienced a similar increase with guns and strangulation becoming more common than they had in previous decades It's kind of like everyone was getting in the pool It's like oh hell. Yeah, it's murder time and everyone was just jumping into the water's fine. Oh, this ain't water. It's piss

Right Right and then the police came in and then he got dumped in that pool There's a duke in the pool and everyone had to leave like uh, like what was the name of that feature film there? Uh, you're uh, that was caddy shack caddy. There's another duke in the pool. Oh, we're the the the sandlot There's a duke in the pool of the sandlot duke Do you think that like jimmy carter richard nixon and jerald ford? Like, you know the entire country was basically crap the economy sucked, but they're like under our watch We had some of the best serial killers in the nation's history. We get no respect for whatsoever. They have the best films

70s had obviously the best films In american history specifically american film the only decade ever if you were a bush hair groomer You had employment the only decade ever you were a superstar. Yeah Now some people mostly second-wave feminists argue that this Increase had more to do with women gaining more agency women's rights and such But I think the fact that male perpetrated crimes were also getting more violent and frequent points to something else Possibly the lead argument. What do you mean? There was lead in paint everywhere So essentially like lead poisoning could have been rampant throughout the country for a decades

Well, it wasn't lead in the paint. It was lead in gas That a lot of people some people think that lead in uh gas in a you know car pollutants Uh increased violence in america because lead poisoning does lead uh to violence And some people think that when we switched over to unleaded gasoline You can see a correlation in the drop in violent crime now correlation does not necessarily equal causation But it is an interesting theory nonetheless I gotta say when I took care of teddy bear my paul meranian he would eat the walls And uh, he really would and I was so happy there wasn't lead in the paint because he would have made him more violent

And he was pretty violent to begin with. Oh, yeah, wasn't the dog wasn't that the dog that broke my skin when it bit me? That was gidget Oh, the chihuahua watch out. Watch uh, I'm a new yorker or whatever new york stories if you want to see gidget She was cute. Well, let's get back to black widows Usually the only thing that trips up a black widow is the sheer amount of bodies that pile up around him for an example of that Let's take a look at tillie clemmick aka the polish prognosticator And I am saying this marcus made an incredible name for tillie and uh, my father I am pretty certain called himself the polish prognosticator. Really? I am pretty certain

I will have to admit besides the giggling grandma. I made up all the names all the aka's in this episode You've done a great job. Uh, if this show fails you can go with the work with the wwe You'll make the greatest characters of all time Uh, tillie clemmick was a squat polish immigrant living in chicago who had a penchant for the paranormal In 1911 she started predicting the deaths of neighborhood dogs saying that she had dreamed of their deaths Yeah, come closer little man. Hey, good morning. I never see you in the morning. You never get up I had dream last night. Oh, you tried to walk away Yeah, because you say people who to scribe dream

Unboring people You gotta go to work Oh, you got to go to work. Oh, I keep a story very short All right, it's good. I had a dream. Oh, you're beautiful dog. He was the dog his name. It's uh, ralphie I saw the dream last night. I shot it in the fucking head. You did. Okay. Is that the story? Is it the bad? Yes All right, well what another great running with the polish prognosticator Well, sure enough after tillie laid each claim

Whatever dog happened to be bothering her at the moment would die soon after the prediction And this was the perfect foundation for tillie's later crimes as it was of course tillie herself Who was poisoning the dogs? Oh, man And that's the greatest way to make sure that all of your predictions come true, right? Is that you do them? Yep. Yep. That's it Now after three years of establishing her reputation as a foreseer of death Tillie predicted the death of her husband of 29 years a man named john mitzkowitz I mean at some point if you're the police in this situation, you'll be like, well either tillie is a psychic or

Maybe she's the killer. No. No, she's a psychic Uh, just wait then three weeks after she made that prediction john dropped dead of quote-unquote heart problems until he collected a sizable insurance policy There's no motto for any crime here none at all. Have you seen my new babushka? So many emeralds in the shape of the polish eagle The most wonderful beautiful creature that ever forgot a recipe for ice I put it on the head No, I have no work slippers and no work apron. No work top shirt

Well sergeant we interviewed uh tillie clemmick. Yes the polish prognosticator First of all, she's 100 innocent and second of all funny jokes. She is funny. So we got a letter free Well after john's funeral tillie visited a matchmaker service specializing in polish gentleman Oh my god, it's worse than like farmers only And after she visited the matchmaker service she picked up another husband named joseph ruskowski He only lasted three months before tillie once again declared death was coming for poor old joe Uh tillie actually I feel fine Tillie I was actually I don't know if you remember when you met me

I was named healthiest polish gentleman of the month by polish gentleman magazine Which means you can you can lift the whole keg out of out of a stream Yeah, I mean sure enough death came for joe untilie collected another life insurance payout And after joe ruskowski was joe guzzkowski who was in and out just as fast as ruskowski I mean the polish didn't exactly go far with the names. They kind of kept it all in the same family No, we did not this is how you know somebody's polish. Yeah, this is how you know that they're polish and almost Immediately after that came frank kubchiz frame kubchizk. I think it's kubchizk kubchizk And he is uh

The saddest part about this is that the most polish thing of it all is that none of them learn from the mistakes From the previous husbands none of them did any reading. They just jumped right in I'm gonna make it four months That's what I'm gonna do. They know that last guy only made it three months. Well Frank lasted four years Wow, but that might be because tillie was getting her kicks in other ways Neighbors who had problems with tillie got seriously ill After eating candy made by tillie by way of reconciliation Apology candy everybody come around to tillie's house and give out candy to all the children here Here bobsha kiss course put it in your fucking hole put it in your hole

It's not halloween or anything. I have some I give I give you see no babushka. It's got this solid rock of the capital of poland At the very bit of the capital of poland. There's just one big rock Tilly I gotta say the last time I had your candy. I really I got sick. I don't know what happened You will die soon I guess well, yeah other neighbors actually died and relatives of tillie's dropped dead from Some mysterious illnesses which usually resulted in a will payout for tillie And then finally in 1921 tillie decided it was frank's time to go She predicted he would die within two weeks, but this time she decided she'd have a little fun with it

Every morning when frank woke up tillie would be right there beside him mocking him telling them things like You'll be dying soon That's true. Do you know what I get? She'd say like your time is almost here Honestly, I would marry her though. I would stay with her for like as long as I was alive Yeah, and then she started knitting her morning hat and for for frank's funeral in his presence In the polish community. There are many different types of hats There's a morning hat for a morning at a funeral. There's a morning hat for the time of day for the morning Uh, there's a lunch hat. There's a go into an amusement party hat

There is a go into court to get your children back hat Yeah, but the strange thing is no shoes. No shoes. No shoes. No shoes No shoes because your feet are become rock-like Rulking in the root fields. I'm not sure what else that they do on the dirt farms Deep in the in the wilds of war saw like the thing from fantastic four Yeah, and then to make sure tillie really drove the point home She bought a bargain coffin and asked her landlady if she could store it in the building's basement until it was frank's time Excuse me landlady. Can I please put this super gruesome tupperware?

Here in your basement Yeah, it looks like a coffin tillie. Is it you'll die soon? Oh, she is she is Reminds me so much of my nana. Yeah, my nana was the polish woman on the side and like and my nana Was disavowed by everyone. She was like left alone to die Like we disavowed disavowed They they were all she for Christmas. She used to send for all of the family I just remember this going through this this outline. She's just sending gifts

There were just big ziploc bags filled with safety pins and razors Was she a toy maker like that dan ackroyd snl sketch where it was just like broken glass and nails But no, she was very bad. She used to lock my father in the cupboard underneath the sink Which is why my father left his home. It's the age of 17 to volunteer for vietnam Your father volunteered for vietnam. Yeah, and then he got mckayles navy if you just volunteered you'd get the sweet things Oh, I know the sweet chops No, maybe telly was trying to play it smart with frank's death and she had her cousin By the instrument of death so as to not raise suspicion and they chose a rat poison named rough on rats

I like the names of things back then Yeah, I guess they didn't want to do it like reverse psychology and said like delicious food for rats Yeah, exactly and sure enough frank died two weeks to the day after tilly predicted his death, but Even after this she still got another husband. Wow, so that we're on to four now And we're on number four and this killed three husbands so far Yep, and multiple neighbors and relatives and dogs and many dogs. Oh my goodness Well, this last husband was named joseph climmick again meeting him through the polish gentleman matchmaking service Who somehow had not gotten wise to the fact that tilly was on her fourth go-round in his many years. They're polish

This is I mean, she is the number one client for this matchmaking company She really is she's the only one who keeps coming back because polish gentlemen dating services also Specializes in the longest happy trails Then you can get in any it's like any it's like any treasure trail that slowly turns into a bramble patch Above your prune yard, which is what I call my balls My prune yard you call your balls the prune yard. Yes. Yes. I do And also it does sound like she's murdering the entire offensive line of the green Bay Packers It does and that's unfortunate. They still won the ice bowl though. I'll take on that much. Oh, yeah, and this was uh

A little poland chicago polish. Oh, this is like a special kind of polish. They all had heart disease I mean, how long they We're all gonna die by 47 She just had a weight. I mean, that's the great thing with polish people working in the factories Unlike germans. They can't get their fingers cut off. They already look like they are because they're just they're they're perfect for machinery You're being an asshole Polish people have horrible hands and are perfect for machinery. I've seen their good workers. I've seen their good workers I can do the polish job

Luckily for joseph People were starting to get wise to tilly scheme I would hope because she was getting a lot more aggressive and just started throwing out death predictions With each person that refused to put up with her shit. I love her though so much Like we would just be good friends and when joseph fell ill again after a prediction Doctors tested him for arsenic and came up positive and all over other Husbands were exhumed and all tested positive for arsenic as well And when tilly was arrested, he supposedly told the arresting officer quote

The next one I want to cook a dinner for is you No The polish prognosticator got scared. Yeah, she literally is the opposite. She is the the fatter Gypsy instead of the thinner gypsy from steven king. Yeah, exactly Oh, I would love that. It was like fat. Oh my now strange thing about this one is after tilly was arrested The whole thing actually turned into a bit of a witch hunt See it was suspected that tilly had poisoned up to 20 people with 14 of those poisonings being fatal And the papers assumed that there was no way that just one woman was capable of all this

So they started printing stories naming her quote the high priestess of a blue beard click That's a really good title. Blue beard click also sounds like a place where it's just like don't try the sushi Do not don't eat the clams Go with go with anything that's boiled you can eat, but don't try anything else anything None of the international foods no But in the end tilly and the cousin who bought the rough-on rats were the only ones to go away But tilly was awful until the day she died and she had a hell of a time mentally Torturing that cousin while they were in jail and one time she even went as far as to convince her cousin that the guards

Were gonna take the cousin out to the yard and hang her just cuz do you think that they're going to do today? I bet they will you will make such a fine screaming Christmas ornament for them Hey come closer. I poke your feet with a fucking rat bone God I would love her I honestly would love her she sounds like she's a member of my family Yeah, sounds like a fun character on lock up raw. That's for sure Well tilly clemix reign of terror finally came to an end on november 20th 1936 when she died alone in prison That's what she wanted. She did. It's literally exactly what you want Now you may be asking

How are all these people eating food laced with rat poison and not noticing sure well back in the day You know what how are all these people eating food Laced with rat poison and not noticing. That's a great question kissle. Yeah, no problem Henry Well back in the day rat poison containing arsenic was readily available over the counter All you had to do was tell the chemist. Hey, I got a bunch of rats. Have you thought about getting a gun? It was all slow also tasteless odorless and colorless Well, how would it attract the rats? You just put it on stuff that rats like to eat. Oh, yeah, because they thought that if the rat smelled something funny

Then the rats weren't gonna eat it. Ah, sure. Yeah, but rats don't give a shit. They'll eat human flesh They'll eat shit out of a used baby diaper. They don't give a shit. They do not care Oh and arsenic poisoning is not a pleasant death the victim violently convulses And the vomit and facies are damn near endless. You know, you know when it when it gets going Because I've just been sick on my own. I shit four times a day and I'm healthy Well, however, a lot of the time it was hard to tell arsenic poison from the regular run of the mill horrific late 19th Early 20th century diseases people were dying from horrible shit. They didn't know what was going on all the time It's like, yeah, like like rippers fever and and and hookfoot

You get like weird ass diseases where it's just like I've got a bullion hands drop, but Never good Well part of that also had to do with some of the absolute dumb shit ways doctors would test for arsenic poisoning It got better over the years But in the beginning they do shit like cut out a piece of the stomach and throw it on a fire And if the cooking organ smelled like garlic Then it was declared that arsenic poisoning was the cause of death And it's like throwing them like yeah garlic definitely poison. Oh wait a second. No, no, no, we um

We cooked a bunch of garlic on here earlier. We were doing a french cooking class We need to really we need a forensic fire and a forensic stove and then a normal cooking stove. Okay So it's cooking their lunch right by the burning flesh Yeah, and if it didn't smell like garlic, then that was all the proof they needed and the accused was set free Hey, all right, there we go Now let's take a look at another black widow whose loose tongue led her to prison Oh, I just like to see a movie about a black widow with a loose tongue But then it goes from crime and drama to

pornography Mary Elizabeth Wilson of England was known locally as the merry widow of windy nook I didn't come up with that one. I like that one. I love that windy nook I've been watching a lot of British home like buying shows because hg tv isn't on netflix And it seems like a fun little name for a gal. I would like Tara as a neighbor, you know Yeah, the merry widow of windy nook because seems like a happy single woman Which is kind of fun But a windy nook also sounds like a fun cute name for a room that you just go farting

I would love to be rich enough but still trashy enough to have a fart room So from 1955 to 1957 just put your mother-in-law in there when she comes for the christmas Funny family jokes. Oh, I feel like Clark Griswold over here So from 1955 to 1957 just two years Wilson took down four husbands Sometimes weeks after the wedding and each murder gave the merry widow a hefty payday Now people may have just chalked all this up to bad luck had wilson not been so cavalier after each death After one husband died. She jokingly asked the undertaker for a discount

That is a funny Very funny, mrs. Wilson. I'm so glad you could make a joke even at times like these It makes me wish I had you as a wife But unfortunately, I can only give you a discount if we chop off his feet That is a fun cemetery Yeah, and after her next wedding when a friend asked her what they were going to do with all the leftover sandwiches and keg from the reception Wilson told her they should just keep them for the funeral Mrs. Wilson, thank you for inviting me the mortician to your wedding

Once again your jokes proved to be most convivial Now if you do plan on having a funeral soon, may I suggest birchwood for the casket Oh my and after that husband dropped dead police took notice and exhumed the other husbands and found wilson's weapon of choice Was beetle poison beetle poison beetle poison that seems like it would take quite a bit of beetle poison to kill a person Yeah, looks like john lennon took four bullets worth of beetle poison Ended the 60s ended the 70s began a a dismal beginning to the 80s

Now even though wilson's reign was relatively short most black widows had relatively long careers compared to most of their male counterparts Eight years or so and there are quite a few reasons for this First of all, there's no crime scene to speak of as peter wronski points out in his book female serial killers black widows Don't leave dismembered coeds on the roadside Most of the time the victims die in their own bed or at a hospital Second there's no real way to hunt a black widow as she hides in plain sight and usually no one even suspects There's a killer in the first place Let's just take the fbi's serial killer classification system as wronski lays it out

If you're a long time listener or if you've been watching mindhunter You know, there are three different categories when it comes to serial killers organized disorganized and mixed Organized they're the pickers and stalkers. They're intelligent social and controlled until the berserker mode kicks in gacy He's probably the best known example of the organized serial killer him and i would put btk For me btk is the top of the pyramid for organized killers where he is the one He he stalked him for days. He would have long protracted fantasies a part of it was the hunt That's what you're mostly excited for I would actually put a lot of times black widows in this category because a lot of times it's because

They are a lot of times doing it for revenge or money and then you basically get to stare at your victim You literally get to sadly make love to your victim Even though a lot of times you're not having fun, right? So the opposite of an organized serial killer would be richard chase Yes, for example. Yes. Yeah, and those are the disorganized killers Those are the dumb ones the spur of the moment type guys These are your henry lee lucas's your gary richways. These are your wrong place wrong timers who usually leave the bodies Where they lay, okay? But then there are those that are mixed bundy was organized

But when he lost his cool at chi omega he became chi omega chi omega, excuse me. I oh, I forget that was one of our first Corrections when people started sending us a lot of emails chi omega now This is a fraternity of or a sorority rather in Tallahassee at fsu florida state university Where henry actually attended university and henry you do have a tale where being so smart and charming You did bring up ted bundy. Well inside of the sorority and if i'm not mistaken violently escorted out

I was asked to leave And one of the sorority because sororities have like brother fraternities the fraternity man asked me to leave and where you were voluntarily I was not escorted out Let me ask you this. I ordered an investigation onto myself. That's what I did. I pulled a franken and I said Investigate me. That's right. Good. Good. And I have to ask were you still in your dashiki phase during this time? So you were and you were about 350

Into my afrocentric phase Which I which is a bad move never do that never have one of those faces no pictures exist from that face Because I had a head and I had this I wore this like head wrap It's like a knit cap because my hair was past my shoulders So I wore this like cap thing and I just rigged a weed Right an old spice and a huge long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what you were trans racial Transracial before it was common. Yes, it was true. And I do Believe that it was mostly my attire

That got me kicked out. Oh, you don't think it was the reference of the serial killer that went and murdered eight of their or four Of their sorority members. I think it definitely gave them the excuse. I think it might have been an incident Did we say it was a combo? Yeah, yeah, well since well since black widow murders take sometimes months if not years of planning and patience They fall into the organized category, but if you're going with strict definitions They also leave their bodies at the crime scene a mark of disorganization Uh, so it's not necessarily mixed. It's not necessarily organized. It's not necessarily disorganized It's something different all together

And one of the reasons why the fbi system fails us completely when it comes to women is because in all those studies where the fbi Spoke with serial killers. They only spoke to men But that's not for lack of trying an academic study was attempted pretty recently in which the authors approached 29 female multiple murderers Some serial killers some women who killed more than one in one night Only seven out of that 29 agreed to talk And the conclusion you can draw from this is male serial killers love to jabber on about their crimes But women female serial killers prefer to keep it to themselves because women are better at crime

It shows that they're better at crime. They don't need all the fucking stupid validation that these other male serial killers need They need to be applauded and and and talk what their crimes talked about. They want to be in the history books They want to show look i'm still essentially mansplaining about murdering to you. Look at the eddie kepper shit It's like he couldn't have been happier in the world and sit and talk to you how his mind works Same thing with btk same thing with ted bundy But these killers the lady killers, especially black widow killers. They got a motive. They're getting in they're getting out They're very deadly. Don't trust your girlfriends Don't do it because they will they get they will kill you they should as a matter of fact get out there

What jewelry does she like? Find out tonight and go buy some tomorrow or if you're poor recreated with macaroni noodles It's the thought that counts remember tiny details Remember stuff like when you went on your first date like stuff like like little details and stuff like it just to keep it Keep it alive keep it fresh for example, uh brook. She told me one day. She doesn't like popcorn I haven't looked at popcorn since I hate it. You staved off six years of murder just with that. There it is No popcorn in the house. Well while most black widows use poison and leave the bodies where they lay

There are examples of physically violent black widows such as betty lou beats aka trailer park betty This is what I've been excited for because normally when we cover these it is a lot of poisonings But I want to see some women getting fucking bloody Oh, there are I want a large march. Oh, yeah Well since 1975 the black widow or not 1975 exactly, but sometime in the 70s black widows started going out of fashion And ladies started using guns ladies started using knives ladies started strangling people So it definitely has moved away from black widow poisonings But that also has to do with us

Eventually passing laws saying like hey you got to put a taste to the rat poison Yeah, but they made a taste amazing. That's the anti-freeze problem. That's anti-freeze. I know Yeah, but yeah, they they kind of made them put and I think actually recently They made a rule where you couldn't put it in pellet form anymore either. I think that was just this year FDA said no more rat pellets. What if you listen the rat and feed the rat to the person? That's going to be deadly. That's what I'm saying, but that's cool though. That's a good way to do it It's roundabout very tight as angeronicas Yeah, but it's still arsenic poison

Ah, yeah, uh now Betty is a bit like Eileen Wernos and that Betty Lou has her defenders She was supposedly sexually abused by her father when she was a kid and suffered through a string of violent and sexually abusive relationships Now it's not always the case and it definitely isn't any excuse But usually when female serial killers are physically violent It's preceded by a violent and sexually abusive past But on the other hand you can say the exact same thing about male serial killers Yep, of course. It's a mixture between nature and nurture. We've learned again and again and again a lot of these people

Like you can just start bad like Jeffrey Dahmer and get worse because you have no Reach out you have nobody there to to help you out and you won't accept because of your fantasies Are too taboo for anybody for you to tell anybody or you're like this Yeah, and you know that we we oftentimes go when we blame the person who sells the gun to the person who goes and commits a massacre Whoever sold Dahmer those blue barrels We got to talk to him. How many blue barrels do you think the guy needed? He lived in an apartment. Yeah He does not have a commercial license. It's just a guy walking all out the street I should not be able to go and be like, yeah, I need an oil drill

Like why do you why are you getting oil drops like I'm getting a business for my fucking self You know, I mean like that shouldn't be allowed. Well, there's never been any studies speaking of nature and nurture There's never been any studies On women as far as the mcdonald triad goes You know the mcdonald triads bedwetting fire arson And cruelty to animals but in that small study that was done in which those seven women spoke Almost all of them did report cruelty to animals when they were kids And it's time for ben kissles famous funny line of humor. My mcdonald's triad is a big mac

A large triad and a chicken nugget And a bee of chicken nugget Wow, you know, I don't like tuesdays I'm doing that. Get him his wine and get him his chocolate. I think kissles having a bit of a monday Wow So betty's first marriage was in 1952 at the age of 15 to a man named robert branson They had six kids together before divorcing in 1969 with branson surviving the marriage Next was billy york lane who married betty lou twice

This one she did attempt to kill but this one was in self-defense by billy's admission As betty shot billy in the stomach after billy broker knows Now was that after the first wedding That was after the second wedding, I think yeah, because they got married in 1970 They got divorced in 1970 then they got married again in 1972 and then got divorced again in 1974 That is Passion I guess so

Then after that was ronnie thrill cold They married in 1978, but that one only lasted a year before betty tried to run him over with a truck this is It's just uh, this is the this it's kind of a fun couple Where it's like everyone in the town knows when they're fighting when you hear certain screams To be like no, we don't call the police. They they work it out. Oh, yeah, ronnie and betty lou. They work it out They work it out. They'll be back to kiss nana hugging tomorrow morning. Let me tell you run him over with a truck finally And she always said she was going to you know what uh, I would like to find out if this is the song hard-headed woman was based on

The cat steven song. Yes I think it's the isn't a moustaf stefa now. What's his name usef islam. Yeah, I'm sorry And they didn't let him into the country not because of her's religion. It was actually an indictment on his singing And I thought that was me. Don't you make fun? Oh, I love cat. I listen to cat stevens all the time or usef islam Well, ronnie took betty trying to run him over with the truck as his cue to leave And he also survived But her fourth husband Dole wane barker would not be so lucky

One night betty shot dole three times in the head with a 38 special and had her daughter Shirley stanger Helped to bury him under the tool shed out back behind the trailer and that's how you create a tool tree Where do wrenches come from? Where do hammers come from? You've got to murder someone Bear them underneath the tool shed and the tree that springs will indeed provide you all the tools you need. Yes Well, there was no life insurance money that I know of involved in that one Betty lew did inherit dole wane's trailer in gum barrel city, texas out near purtis creek

Now nothing I like better than just sitting with a nice hot cup of wine and gun barrel city, texas They are so proud of their guns and just parts of guns the most penis like part of the gun Oh, yeah, what kind of what kind of wine is your favorite pinot noir? I like watermelon strawberry That's my favorite kind of wine and I had an orange, uh apple wine the other day pretty good Oh, yeah, check it out. Well gun barrel city's got about 5,000 people. They got a walmart good and they also have a loas That's all you need. I love walmart and a loas. I shop over here I go to a super center that's got a super walmart a super target a super loas and a home depot all in one And I have a fucking pig and shit of a time. Absolutely

So in 1982 betty would marry her second and final victim Jimmy don beats one night after only a year of marriage Betty told her son Robert Branson jr. To leave the house because betty planned to put a bullet in jimmy don's brain That's always because jimmy don always had a song being like whether it's out on the streets or up on my feet Ain't nobody likes fuck like jimmy don beats It's actually a phenomenal song and uh, I would buy that album in like a heartbeat And you just say it again and again and finally she's like he's got to go When branson returned jimmy don was dead from two in the head

Branson then helped his mother bury jimmy don's body under a decorative wishing well in the front yard of the trailer There's one decorative You could tell because it's got a flower on the front of it. That's what makes it decorative This is for family All right, this is for family back I gotta tell you the well back in the behind the house. That's for work. Ain't no such nice reason. It's such as a flower I do think the movie the ring would be better if it wasn't a little girl if it was this guy He was just like her got a camera. You watch the tape seven days

seven days Oh, no, it's jimmy don beats. Oh Can you hear that song? It's jimmy don beats. Ain't nobody like to fuck like jimmy don beats seven days Well the next day branson went to cedar creek reservoir and set up a fake out So branson took jimmy don's boat out on the water and planted jimmy don's fishing license His heart medication and a life jacket inside betty lew

Then called up the police and reported that jimmy don was missing when the boat was found drifted soon After it was assumed that jimmy don had fallen overboard and drowned It wasn't until two years later that someone rolled over on betty lew beats Although the only identity that I could find of that someone was a quote-unquote credible source Oh, come on. Hmm Either way it was the son who broke under pressure and betty lew was arrested for both murders Hmm. Now while many of betty lew's advocates say that betty was driven to murder by her abusive husbands betty lew's story during the trial was that it was actually her two kids not her who murdered her husband

Trailer park justice. I know You're almost flipping on each other. You just don't do that. You don't give up your own kid. Oh, whatever Whatever, you got to be proud of your crimes. Yep But the jury did not buy it and betty lew was sentenced to death by lethal injection Oh, and while her advocates continued to plead for clemency, which she probably could have gotten Betty lew had the bad luck to have her execution date fall during the governorship of the happiest executioner in texas Who's that? George W. Bush. Oh the world's most funniest president who has uh, who should be convicted of war crimes

Yes, the cutest war criminal of all time. Oh Him and gerbil's so cute and fun. He paints dogs. Oh, I love that. He's smiling now Yeah, and in fact instead of granting clemency to betty lew beats George w. Bush made it a special point to be in texas the day she was executed I mean, honestly, if you're gonna do it, I'm the decider I'm super excited. I go out there. Can I pull the liver? Come on. I'm good at it. I can pull on a lot of things. Do I put it up or down? Yeah, governor governor governor. Just come here. Are you drinking again, sir?

Yeah Absolutely, why wouldn't that be? I decided to drink alcohol this morning Also, what I decided to do is give us a forever war, but you'll see that in about 10 years Yep, betty lew beats was one of a hundred and fifty three prisoners to die under bush's watch Good god, that's a lot. Oh, actually rick perry broke that record. Did he really well rick perry was governor for longer George w. Bush was only governor for five years. Uh rick perry was governor for 16 153 15 in five years five years. Yeah, we should do we got to do an episode on those serial killers

Well, we've mentioned this before but it does bear repeating the only person granted clemency in texas while george w. Bush was governor Was henry lee lucas? That's right. Wow, and it's just because your father saw him one time That's the power of the parks Or it could be That henry lee lucas was a member of the hand of death of which Was probably connected Their connections in order to save henry lee lucas's life because if he would not have been granted clemency Then henry lee lucas may have told a story or the bill cooper episodes will never officially be over

Because guess what? Yeah, we're still living in that reality buddy, or could it be? henry lee lucas's or gone energy wasn't needed by the aliens because he was what they called too dumb To power their ships and that's part one of black widows. We'll be back next week with more black widows here on The last podcast under there. Oh my god. I don't know why this episode was like surprisingly fun I guess it's uh, it's like it feels like it's like a pressure is off. They married them. Yeah Yeah, I think I don't know. There's something about it where it's like they they found something attractive about these women They must have liked their personalities. I'm not victim blaming here people people get into unhappy People get into unhappy horrible

All the time. Yeah, and I I like a strong willed woman I like I think it's fun somebody. It's like it's kind of fun to feel the danger a little bit Of you could kill me now like four and she's taller than me. Oh, yeah practices drop kicks all day She could kill me in a second She could do it with her beautiful legs and I'd be smiling as she puts me in the scissor lock as I slowly fucking died I'm still like saying like thank you. I'm so excited for this We've already said that that's our goal when I'm if I go past 90 and I can't think or like shit on my own anymore She used to sit on my face until I'm dead

Well, that's true and when you're doing your wedding vows if like your wife Really laughs at the line like till death do his part and she's like won't be long That's one of those red flags This is I didn't know that's an improv. That's an improv on the Fucking vows that she just did. Oh my goodness. All right. Thanks so much for listening. Let's see here What do we got to tell the folks we got Omaha now first up? We are going to be in Omaha tomorrow November 18th the first show is sold out, but the second show we've still got tickets on sale

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