Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 296: Black Widows Part II - Hit and Run Helen

Episode Date: November 25, 2017

On the conclusion to our Black Widow series, we cover Queen of Poisoners Marie Besnard, who took down family members and acquaintances with poison desserts, the deadly senior citizen duo of Helen Golay and Olga Rutterschmidt, and Stella Nickell, copycat to the Tylenol Murders.  Aitech Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started British cooking shows are more kind. Oh my god, there's no conclusion to them There's no competition Focus on the cooking. No, I know no no no the one has more competition You're talking about the British bake-off great British bake-off. I like that one the one episode why so many episodes But one episode they just let everyone stay They said oh everyone did so good you all get to stay

Then they do that sometimes it was insane. It's just a reaction. It's a reaction to American cooking. I guess American cooking shows is fucking Gordon Ramsay. Yeah screaming river watch master chef. Yeah, of course He is making these people do Impossible things and then being like your technique is wrong Your timing is wrong and it's just a woman. Just who's a minute ago was in her home I know it's hard. All right. This is the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kissel. That's Marcus Park Hi, man. How you doing Marcus doing good man. How about you good? Good? You look great. Thank you We got Hong Kong over there in LA. Yeah, and I got special edition today. No pants. No pants

Oh my god, no pants. No shirt Oh my goodness gracious, and that's what's gonna happen to all of us if we end net neutrality. Wow Every podcaster you know and love all I'm saying is this is my this is the new Henry Sparowski I am bare minimum Henry Zabrowski. They're like Moby Roll into the studio. Yeah Moby Henry Zabrowski. All right We're on to black widows part two and the stories just get better from here So as far as pure stats go the female serial killer specifically the black widow is by far better at serial killing than their male equivalent They have higher body counts and on average kill for twice as long as males put into sports terms

Black widows are like the San Antonio spurs a serial killing not too flashy, but strong on fundamentals Oh, I see you're also saying they all look like Tim Duncan, which is not very kind, but you've brought up the spurs before Yes, it seems to be the one team you truly understand which I don't really understand why you know so much about this Marcus brings up the spurs You bring up Bobby Bonilla, and then that's the end of the conversation That's the greatest sports conversation ever with Henry Zabrowski versus Marcus Marks. Bobby Bonilla San Antonio spurs point counterpoint Show is done. That's it. That's it. We're the new Barstool sports with the But I would actually put them closer to the Southside Johnny of serial killers Southside Johnny Who is that Southside Johnny is the guy that inspired Bruce Springsteen?

He was the guy on the beach like on the boardwalk that was singing songs of the guitar and Bruce Springsteen's like man That seems like a Randy light He went and he took that life from him But he brings Southside Johnny on tour a lot and Southside Johnny is arguably one of the hardest-working New Jersey Guitar's man. It's ever been. Wow. Look at that. Maybe slowly poisoning the boss as well Now for an example of a black widow with a 30-year career. Let's look at Marie Bessnaud Aka the quote-unquote killer known officially as Rayon des empoisoners Which means the Queen of Poisoners?

Oh, thank you, Henry. Did you go to Google Translate for that? Yes Very good Marie Bessnaud was born Marie Devoy all in Lou Donne, France in 1886 into a strict religious background But when she got to her teen years Marie was said to have blossomed into a quote-unquote Vicious and immoral woman. Oh, maybe some that would maybe someone that would like to purchase our new represent shirt Integrated marketing integrated marketing 1920 at the age of 23 Marie married a cousin of the kissin variety August and Tigney

Wait, hold on a cousin of the kissin variety cousin cousins. You know kissing cousins are I know this is the thing Oh, well question kissin cousins. They're just normally very close cousins the kids at the idea that they're so close They're fucking no, or is it just friends? What's the difference? No kissing cousins aren't fucking cousins No kissing cuz well actually a kissing cousin is a cousin that you can kiss and fuck without the risk of genetic abnormalities But legally it's still not like for example like no wait hold McNeely's grandparents were first cousins, right? But if you're like second and Further like second third fourth and fifth those are kissing cousins Meaning you can marry and it's not that socially acceptable

But you know you can kind of sweep it under the rug a little bit and the kids aren't gonna be all you know wacky I see that's that's street legal incest. Yeah, I guess so they really thought about this So seven years after marrying Marie Augusta Tigny suddenly died from quote-unquote fluid in the lungs Giving Marie a small inheritance and a lifelong lust for murder and money Awesome two years later. She married a rope shop owner named Leon best nod Man back in the day people people talk about niche content now Uh-huh people say that there's niche markets, but just having a shop. That's all ropes. Then you got to go to the pulley place next

I mean what a nightmare that is, you know before Walmart. That's how the world was multiple stops Yeah, I gotta put on five layers of underwear, right? I gotta zip up my three coats I've got a hitch up a buggy which involves a guy horse that doesn't want to be involved The horse hates you up to a thing. It's on a cobblestone street. Just I Gotta go to the bean store. I gotta go to the carrot store. I gotta go to the rope and I gotta go to the stool They sell one bean at the bean store one carrot at the carrot store if it's sold out come back in a week This is why I like Amazon another embedded ad here www.amazon.com

Check it out. They got so much stuff in there. You go buy a shotgun. You go buy a ball of clava You can buy trampoline. I can buy everything for a depressed everything a depressed father needs for Christmas a shotgun and whiskey And a couch most likely. No, we don't know if Marie actually let Leon in on her previous experience as a poisoner But after ten years of marriage one of Leon's aunts died from a quote-unquote lung ailment in 1938 but how old were these people it seems you know, maybe they were in their 40s or 50s The lung ailment might take you. It might take you. I mean all of these were plausible deaths Okay, in two years after that lung ailment took down one of Leon's aunts Another aunt went down for the same thing after drinking a bottle of gift wine from Marie and Leon

And thus the pattern was established making Marie the rarest of serial killers a black widow with a partner Specifically a male partner see male female serial killer teams partners are a class all of their own and we'll get a full Episode, but this one was different from what I can tell the killing relationship between Marie and Leon Was no more than that of a spider to its web Who's the web Leon? Oh, it's Leon's That's a very traditional serial killer couple is Leon like a large man I didn't see a picture of Leon. What does that have to do with it? Because then he would be more like the web like if he was like a supervillain you'd just be big in fact

When people get stuck in all those folds Just sticky. I love it. Yes Well, their game was to ingratiate themselves into the lives of relatives and acquaintances with Leon being the more Charming of the pair the web and then when the time was right and the victim was just where they wanted a Marie would attack as the spider I Like it. It's kind of cute. So 1940 Marie took a break for murdering her husband's family and set her sights on her own father Who died of a quote-unquote brain hemorrhage? Then it was Leon's father's term

He died a few months after Marie's father after eating quote-unquote poison mushrooms. They sold so many quote-unquote That's why she's the quote-unquote killer. I guess that's what you have to do for insurance Hmm a year later Marie murdered Leon's mother who died of quote-unquote pneumonia But the estate went to Leon's sister and her murder was almost silly in its execution They just poisoned her and said it was suicide when now they're getting confident And this was right around the time of Romeo and Julie yet was very popular. You're thinking poison. This is the 30s It was in any more popular in the 30s, then it won't you never know when someone's going to discover it for the first time

Are you saying in the 1930s that everyone's still wearing the big Shakespeare and I don't know what it was mandolin talking to rats I don't know so by then rumors of the best nerd curse were swirling around Leon and Marie But police just dismissed it as gossip and took both of them at their word after each murder never even thinking to investigate But it wasn't just family members that the best nerds were killing during this time They had a whole host of long games going in addition to all the familiar side in the late 30s The best nerds took in a rich childless couple named the rivets. I think it's the rivets Yeah, the rivets are I think Quite a difference in personalities between the rivets and the rivets who are coming. We're saying we're coming for a week

Hey, but guess what a week in rivet time is more like nine years. Yeah, come on Martha. Let's use the toilets at the same time Rivets are here better lock up your fucking bathroom towels because we're using them to wipe ourselves with That's love So the rivets moved in with the best nerds and soon wrote the best nerds into their will to salt rivet died in July 1939 of quote-unquote pneumonia while Blanche would survive another year and a half in the best nerd house before dropping dead of quote-unquote the chest sickness Why back in the day where people just add in people to their will. I don't know. Yeah, that seems strange just house guests, right?

I'm get buried with my money Bury me with my money Next was the open casket where Henry's buried with his money everyone just slowly pockets it as they walk by No, I'm giving a five-minute. I'm still speaking. I'm giving my condolences to Andrew's corpse. Are you pocketing hundreds right now? Just filled with mousetraps Oh, my whole body's like ouch. Well next was Pauling in Bouldinol and Virginia Lyon Marie's elderly cousins

Incredibly the cause of death put forth and believed for the first cousin was that she mistook a bowl of lie for her evening pudding Marcus fucking you don't understand. I've ever had a fever for a pudding. I've never just been like god damn I woke up in the morning. I'm shivering. I'm cold. What do I got to do to fix this sickness? But honestly on the bridge on the great British bake-off if someone did give them a bowl of lie instead of putting they'd still let them stay No mistakes happen. That's okay. You're back here. That's how they're very there's no competition the only way the lie would be able to stay is if the The pastry was done at a perfect play a perfect bake Which means it had a crispy puttum and had a fine flake to it a good butter actively work through the all of the batter

You know what I mean to the idea is it's about what are the things that they executed properly? Yeah, and what are the things that are just plain old mistakes? You're just gonna overlook the poison if they live Well even more incredibly the other cousin according to what Marie told the police died from the exact same thing in the exact Same situation just a few weeks later I mean, is it strange? I don't I feel like because they're just killing their own family other than the rivets innocent It's not that bad. It's not as bad than killing strangers. What are you talking about? They're the ones who are also mourning. They're killing their own family

So you think I think it's because you're a blood related that the murderer is fine Well, you can just murder your family. You're keeping it contained. You're not going out there devastating other families You're simply chopping down your own tree. You're leaving others alone I think they're just because they are your cousins doesn't mean that those cousins don't also have their own family I'm just saying thank you for not killing your neighbors. Thank you for staying within the family You are misguided Now it does seem a little ridiculous that neither putting incident was truly investigated Well, yeah, there's no way to ever it's not like I've ever heard they saying that said something like the evidence

Would be somewhere inside of the pudding. I would I cannot imagine Never I remember the author saying that said never investigate a pudding. What about that? The proof is in the pudding. Yeah, what? Yeah, the I've heard I don't I have heard the proof is in the proof It's where? In the pudding. Oh, yeah, but the evidence has been consumed But you know as far as these investigations go you got to remember this is France in 1941 they had a little problem called the Nazi occupation to worry about Little cuz they didn't have the fucking spine to deal with it in the fucking first place Now there's had a way for our boys to come over there

Oh, yeah, yeah, it sounds like you have a real good grasp on World War two history I'm just saying things could have been figured out It's gonna been fixed previous and I will also say Napoleon wasn't that short. No, no that was that actually a myth That was probably my height. He's my height, which is a normal height couple inches below. Oh, so he was your height I think he was actually like five eight or five nine. No, he's five foot seven is a normal height Oh, you'd still be an installer that you know, no, no, no, no, I'm five foot seven I don't know you've seen my driver's license or my IMDB The point is that little old ladies eating the wrong pudding probably barely registered with the shit

The police had to worry about that week sure and as it was all these unfortunate deaths were chalked up to the best in our curse So many years went by without a murder and in the meantime the Nazis got their asses kicked back to Germany How cool would that be to like be in a neighborhood where it's like when we were grew up in Queens There was a woman that lived across the street from us that my mom hated that used to like she never filled in her lips She just had purple outline It was an old school back in the 90s like around her lips just like all marked off and purple My mom used to call her the witch across the street And like but can you imagine having one of those in your neighborhood, but she's actively murdering people and everybody knows

Who she is and she's got her swinging rope fucking handling husband That's it walking around sauntering around super smug knowing they're killing everybody I think honestly if that wife she wasn't killing someone and you don't know anyone else that was killing anyone on that street in Queens It was probably your mother doing all the murdering. There's definitely one person on every street in Queens killing someone with poison. Yes Even though the Germans got their asses kicked out some Germans stayed behind in France and Marie took one of those ex-nazis for a lover But Leon was swinging as well haven't taken the local postmistress as his paramour And since they'd been killing so many people they were very wealthy for their area by this point

They had six houses in in a cafe and a few stud farms It's like I gotta tell you it's kind of boring out here on the stud farm Normally what they do is they give me a couple of traps with food in it so I can dig my way out So I don't get bored. I go in there and find my own food and then also I got all these women to fuck Season 18 MTV 2024 I'm the only man on this horse-covered stud So this is kind of there's a little romance it's like if Stephen King wrote love actually it's kind of sweet

Well, it was a long before Marie decided she wanted to make her Nazi love affair official So she plotted to murder her long-time husband and partner Leon. Oh my goodness Nazis are always conniving but I will say they're ambitious and he want to work his way up to husband I don't think that just mister. Do you think the Nazi was in on the killing of Leon up? It's just the Nazi didn't have a problem with Leon. Are you giving the Nazi the benefit of the doubt? Okay, he stayed in France. He obviously didn't like Germany that much That's all I'm saying I Don't think you want to leave undead. Well Marie did at the very least she tried tricking her husband into having a bit

Of the old family pudding Do you think she could make that gag where she's like, I'll just make the pudding again. It's like at some point everyone's gonna know Don't eat the pudding Because you know at the cafe it has a big like funny sign being like god at world's best pudding and it's just her like Smiling with a big fucking bowl of it Well since she was pushing pudding on him pretty hard Leon noticed that she was trying to kill him Oh, yeah, and he you know told a friend of his about it and things also weren't helped by the fact that Marie was known to Often say that arsenic was just quicker and divorce. Oh wait a second. I just realized this was doing two together

She tried to give the pudding to Leon. Mm-hmm What did you do it? I think we're having a hard time connecting the dots here. It's very interesting I mean eventually she found a way to do it because in 1947 Leon became victim number 12 Marie would wait two more years for her last murder that of her own mother and Marie would have gotten away with it as Officials had officially chalked up the death of her mother to old age But what got to Marie was the gossip see word around town was the whole best-nard curse thing was bullshit And wasn't it convenient that Marie was the only one left by this point? Yes, so Marie just like the Polish prognosticator started hurling death threats

specifically naming poison as her weapon of choice left and right which finally caught the authorities attention Well, especially when you're just slinging poison like in the one of those incest balls that they have in Catholic Church We're just being like who does it touch? Who does it touch? They are the ones who will die so much back and forth across in the town. I mean like well now you're you're fucking Well, we have to take you to jail Marie We've been trying not to take you to jail. Yeah, I love a confident poisoner. I like that too Yeah, so they exhumed Leon and tested his body for arsenic and sure enough. He was full of it

13 more bodies were dug up and all 13 tested positive and Marie was finally arrested 30 years After her first kill She confessed under questioning but immediately recanted and went to trial with the best defense lawyers in France on her side Oh, she's the French old-timey OJ Pizza sales went through the roof It's a Bronco chase with an actual horse. Well, yeah, that despite all the evidence facing Marie Her lawyers danced around all of it first They said the tissue samples taken from the jars were erroneously labeled or lost or replaced or

Improperly collected Ben. You're actually close to this whole OJ thing. Then you thank you. Hmm. That was me So you said that Henry? Yeah Credit's been given to me That's the British bake-off that is how it works No justice whatsoever I made the bake Well, then the lawyer said the ground in the cemetery where some of the bodies were buried contain high levels of arsenic due to the chemicals Used on flowers and such and the poison must have seeped into the bodies that way

Whoa, and then finally they tried the argument that a surprising number of lawyers representing serial killers try usually when faced with overwhelming evidence the come on argument. What's that come on come on come on Man in the box This is the way that the lawyers put it In this country of good wines and fine living one might possibly conceive of one mere dare two mere dares Even three mere dares, but they live in mere dares preposterous I like it. I'm sure my come on argument will be like come on

It's me. It's Henry Zabrowski. Come on guys. I wouldn't do such a thing come on I'm only good for a leg. It's me. Henry Zabrowski. You know your favorite pitch person for Mako Mako auto parts Come on, you remember me. Come on. It's it's Henry Zabrowski from the Mako commercials. Yeah, that Henry Zabrowski No, well this almost never ever works It worked in the case of Marie Bessnard. All right. No shit after three trials Marie finally went free in 1961 and died a free woman almost 20 years later on Valentine's Day 1980 she lived until 1980. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Wow

Well, she was born in 1896 and she was 84. That's not too bad. That's a that's a very old lady career poison Serial killer. It's a very old age. Well, that's how it that's what we know hate keeps a person alive Yeah, yeah, it's true. My fucking grandmother lived to the age of 93 And she was the worst was that the same grandmother that would send you bags of safety pens for no that was my my Uh father's mother. That was my Nana like my grandmother would do stuff where she'd pull me aside and whisper my ear chocolate's gonna give you a heart attack And then she pinched my sister underneath the table as she was eating food

She would like pinch her all the time just be telling her to stop eating. Huh? Well in no way to that lead to any eating disorders or mental issues whatsoever So that's all that all worked out. The one thing I will say about this story is that Some finally some equality for women. There it is And it just shows that if you have just enough money and just the right lawyers You too can get off for a lifetime. There it is. So she killed 12 12. Yeah. Oh my at least 12 Okay, I mean that's how it is with with serial killers like this not like the ones that brag and try to inflate their numbers But ones like this like when you have evidence of 12, it's almost certainly more. All right. It's like with Gacy

We have evidence of 33. It's probably more. Yeah, most likely In case you haven't noticed the vast majority of black widows either use close family members or close friends as their victims But more recently a clever couple of old ladies in Los Angeles Figured they had a better way to go about it. Are we moving on from pudding talk? We're moving on about no more pudding That's pudding talk Well, according to Kissel doesn't matter if you kill close family members or close friends because it doesn't affect Society There are shockwaves, you know with any murder that goes through

Friends, co-workers. Oh my god. I got that. I am just saying thank you for not killing my family your family Well, let's get in to Helen Goley and Olga Ruter Schmidt aka hit-and-run hella and overdrive Olga This is such a good idea for a movie the two old ladies a Fantastic idea for a movie so Helen Goley was a retired insurance worker living in Hollywood when she met Hungarian immigrant and coffee shop owner Helga Ruter Schmidt at a Santa Monica health spa sometime in the 90s

Oh, tell me what is your name Helene? Yeah, it's my name is Helen. It's nice to meet you at this spa Yeah, isn't it's nice. Isn't it wonderful? You know why we could be good friends? Why Olga? Because we have the same sag We sit here in the sauna together and it's the same u-shape of breasts and the me like What a duo I'm happy they found each other So the two made fast friends and both work as volunteers at the Hollywood Presbyterian church how helping out LA's Huge homeless population. Oh my goodness the skid row of LA. Oh, yeah, maybe they met Ramirez They might know no no no this was in the two thought this was late 90s. This is much more recent

This is much way. Yeah. Yeah, they met in the 90s. Okay, and yeah, this is much much more reason This is actually the most recent one. We're gonna cover And it's at the Hollywood Presbyterian church helping out the homeless that these two women cooked up a scheme that ended up landed them in prison for the rest of their lives Olga ever noticed you ever be here with all of these Where these homeless people and you just think what if we you know how you look into the abyss and the best like looks back And it calls to you and it says jump in jump in be a part of mayhem and Olga's like yeah What if we just do that

Yeah, I'm sorry. Let's just be bad. Let's be bad. It's just jumping to the abyss. It's yeah, let's let's kill everything It's fun. It's like Mike Myers character from coffee talk Now their first victim was 73 year old Paul Vados who had been homeless and alone for years They fed him took him in and gave him a place to live The only thing they asked in return was a little personal information and his signature Unbeknownst to very very Yeah, very strange unbeknownst to Paul Helen and Olga had taken Paul's signature and turned it into a rubber stamp That they used to take out large life insurance policies in Paul's name. Look see here Olga. Look look see how I'm Helen

I'm Helen. Hi. Hi. I'm Helen. See this stamp here. Now. I'm Paul now. I'm Paul and I could do whatever I want Oh, it's fun. I'm like wet for the first time Honestly, it's been a fucking Sahara down there. Now. I'm sitting on a fucking swap But how much life insurance this guy's homeless how much money can you get well what they did with these guys? Is they established a relationship with them is that it wasn't just they took them in had them sign a bunch documents and then killed him, they nurtured a relationship with this guy in particular for two years because they had to establish a relationship with him and they put certain things in his name because these women were you know

they were actually like landowners they had businesses so they put things in Paul's name and essentially make him worth something. Yeah and then you put you put insurance policies on top of that basically you buy like a little building and you put an insurance policy on top of it you do all of these things you put health insurance policies on to him he's walking around having the time of his life he's 73 years old he's been homeless for so long he gets taken to this house for these two these two ladies. I do want to know is there a montage where they fix them up they bring them to a Beverly Hills store. They

took them to a groomer, they got his nails clipped, they got his glans pressed. Was there gonna be trading places where that happens I think? Well in 1999 after two years of housing and feeding Paul the scheme kicked into the next phase. Helen and Olga drugged Paul laid him out in a dark alley and made it look like Paul was changing the tire on a bike. Look I'm Paul I'm riding my bike. I'm Paul I'm hungry I used to be hungry not anymore not thanks to Helen what Helen did for me if he could just thank me for a second for what Helen did for me oh I got a flat oh it's easy to do you set up the timeline okay. You know he sounds a lot

more like I got a car full of farts. Oh my god Ted Pilman. Ted Pilman, old school. Well after laying down Paul and then put setting up the bike next to him they got an Olga's silver mercury sable and ran him down killing him and collecting over $600,000 in insurance money on the old man's murder. I know it's really sad that this man is dead and RIP I'm not wait but that is this is like it's you can see him doing it yeah putting the bandanas on everything like that. You look good Olga yeah exactly you look like a criminal I love it we're gonna do is same time though is that my arms are like balsa wood how are your arms are they

also like balsa wood I imagine are both deep in her sixties I don't really know how we're gonna move this man into the alleyway because that's a thing how do they get him in there that's what I'm trying to think about here I have no idea I wouldn't well that was the argument the defense lawyer made when they got caught but I would imagine they just kind of shuffled them in and they gave him a soda with a bunch of like drugs in it in the alleyway soda Paul drink the soda just drink it and we don't have all day to watch you be drinking these sodas all right now we're gonna play a game called the lie-down game

we're gonna lie down trust me I saved your life I saved your life Paul it seems like you guys are really getting more dangerous and getting meaner to me as the time goes on it seems like Paul's noticing things a bit too much and that's Paul needs to take to take a bit of an alley now did you say something about a soda well funny thing was these women didn't really need the money Helen was already a millionaire from real estate holdings in Santa Monica and Olga was pretty well to do in her own right they were just bored it was a game that this whole thing was a game and they loved playing honestly get rid of

jigsaw if it was Helen that rolled in would be it's me Helen and it's me Olga have some cold soup it's from Hungary all soup from Hungary is cold because we want to make sure even when you're comfortable comforted that you are miserable it's time to play a game well three years after Paul the ladies would start it all over again oh my goodness in 2002 Olga and Helen told 55-year-old Kenneth McDavid that they'd pay his rent if only he'd sign a sheet of paper for him once again they got a signature and once again they made a rubber stamp this time they took out thirteen policies totaling almost four

million dollars fuck yeah wow man this is like funny games meets going out in style now again Kenneth was killed in an alley hit and run they even tried it a third time with a guy named Jimmy Curvington they took old Jimmy out to Burger King for the pitch but Jimmy was smart refused and eventually testified at their trial really but maybe you will say yes to some French toast sticks you know what I do like is that you know that she was revving up the car and at some point you know like they're either about to murder him and AC DC's plan she's just like oh this is too loud I gotta murder him while I'm relaxed flips

on the Michael Buble that's nothing I like the new Rat Pack songs well the women might have gotten away with all this had coincidence not common to play as it often does with cases like this the detective in investigating the second murder happened to mention it to another cop who had investigated the first and they came up with a few similarities first hit-and-run injuries are usually from the waist down as that's where the point of impact usually is yes both of these guys had obviously been run over while they were laying down on the ground yeah they probably had those loony tunes tire marks if you

watch the back it was the back alley brawl between Roddy Roddy Piper and gold dust do you remember that no Roddy Roddy Piper is gold dust hits him with a car and you'll notice that where he hits him in the hip that's a good you have to watch that matches from like 1997 was gold dust like station in the alley like turning tricks I know at the time gold dust was a problematic character well I wasn't sure if he was a Huffer or if he was just maybe maybe into into men never officially came out as gay although now there isn't in the NXT the velveteen dream there is an openly gay character huh well second in this case

there were the bicycles while the ladies had set up both to look like the guys were changing bike tears they forgot to actually de-inflate the tires so there was no reason for the men to be changed in the tires oh god you know for a fact I'm not a detail woman I'm a big ideas woman what am I supposed to do the soup got hot the soup got hot while sitting in the car I had to take it to the refrigerator well third the insurance companies were starting to look into things as well because Olga and Helen were constantly calling up the country companies bickering over who is gonna get paid most and who is gonna get paid

first oh my goodness and it also didn't help that both men had about a dozen policies each taken out on them so when police checked surveillance video from the neighborhood where mcdavid was killed the second victim they saw a silver mercury sable right near the alley where way where his body was found the same kind one of the beneficiaries in the insurance policy drove and I got to say the mercury sable just made for older women like grandmother had one it is just perfect yeah it is now they also found that an auto club have been called to the area right around the time of mcdavid's death to pick up a damaged

silver mercury sable they were fucking they were just cycle that did no planning it's quite fascinating this duo so naturally they caught up to the two old ladies and brought them in for questioning and still they might have gotten away with it had they not bickered in the police station while they were waiting in a room that was obviously under constant video and audio surveillance honestly this is like a it's straight out of absolute fabulous yeah like what a great movie great series by the way if you don't if you don't know abfab check it out well rudder schmidt said to go lay among many

other things quote why did you make the extra insurances too many you can't do that you agree the that is the problem that's the problem that they were greedy you're right all guy yeah you're right I was greedy oh what a horrible sin forgive me forgive me God don't forgive me for the murderers because I'll watch every man I've ever met be ground or the the tires of my wonderful proud mercury sable love a good mercury sable well when they went to trial Helen tried to pull a Betty Lou beats saying her daughter was framing her for the whole thing but the two women were easily put away in 2008 and will

undoubtedly soon die in prison oh my goodness gracious now Helen and Olga are not the only women to think they were real goddamn clever in their murderous profit schemes for our last black widow let's take a look at Stella nickel aka salad Stella yeah you give me these these nicknames yeah that's great yeah yeah absolutely so black widows it's not necessarily the husband that they kill the nature of the crime has to be profitable yeah it seems maybe a black widow it's like you're getting something out of the deal yeah like you are this is it's in it's serial killing meets grand theft well not a serial

killer Stella nickel of Seattle still deserves a place in the annals of black widow history for her complete disregard and disdain for human life Stella was a regular old run-of-the-mill hard-drinking resident of the trailer park who married her husband Bruce in 1976 when his lifestyle was the same oh yeah but when having a good time a match made in the courthouse but when Bruce got sober in the mid 80s Stella was suddenly without a drinking buddy oh what you think you're fucking better than her yeah exactly I'm sorry if you're too drunks and you're getting married till death do you part or till sobriety

brings one of you into a different world exactly you're a different person you stop boozing but you marry when you're boozing that nullified nulled it's over yeah well Stella had the same sort of idea but I mean she tried I mean to pass the time she had an obsessively maintained reportedly very impressive home aquarium but you know in the end nothing compared to going out to a bar at night and raising hell yes don't get me wrong there's nothing I don't like better than seeing all the yellow fish or jumping out of that hollow man they're putting in the bottom of it but the one thing I like better than fish isn't

jukebox I agree with her so Stella decided she wanna want it out of course but she also figured she'd make a little money in the meantime first she took out a life insurance policy on Bruce as they all do in addition to the one he already had but the thing was the existing policy paid out an extra hundred thousand dollars if the death was ruled accidental no tell me tell me according to this contract does it mean when it says accidental does it mean I can murder him with an axe insurance policy man tell me your fucking explanations okay fucking all day I don't accidental it means he has to like

slip on a banana peel or something like that has to happen then why didn't you put that in the contract well I will write it in now so how do you make a murder accidental exactly well how Stella did it she was inspired by the still to this day unsolved Chicago Tylenol murders oh my goodness yes yes in which seven people ingested randomly placed cyanide laced pelts Stella did the same with four extra strength excedrons and gave two of those excedrons to Bruce I don't really even need these anymore Stella I'm not hammered I'm not I'm not hungover I didn't do anything I didn't hurt my back and I'm like you take it

it's a preventative life hurts life life sucks you got to take some sometimes that's actually a good point well Bruce was in the hospital hours later and died soon after arrival only problem was the doctors ruled his death as natural causes resulting from Bruce's emphysema precisely the opposite of what Stella wanted so tell me in search policy man if I go on there now he's dead if I go on he's sitting in he's sitting to slap yeah can I hit him with the axe now I get to know again man that is not what it means accidental this is natural causes yeah I'm gonna say I killed him I'm gonna say that I did that I

I'm with you I'm with you on that I did that you give me the money we call even Stephen well since Stella couldn't very well say look again she had to take things a step further uh-huh she planted cyanide laced excedrin pills in three more bottles and scattered them throughout stores in Seattle these fuckers don't want to believe me I'm gonna become the fucking Joker I can do this in a second it's easy to do blip blop blop everybody's fucking person now everybody's saying oh pay attention to the aquarium I tell you what I'd rather be murdering it is such drunk logic oh yeah so much work it's drunk logic and

she also did it like a drunk like this apparently the the bottles were not resealed very well like the like she used too much glue when she glued the boxes back together the fact sure it doesn't make it as good as I do as a matter of fact I should see some of these faulty boxes to the mafack sure and I have them look at it and say new policies for all the boxes full proof plan I mean the thing was that you know still you know some people they got busy lives they don't pay attention and about a week later bank manager Susan Snow dropped dead oh my bad luck and when the coroner was performing the

autopsy he noticed the scent of bitter almonds a hallmark of cyanide and other pills in the bottle were tested came up positive and soon after police went public with the news there was Stella nickel with testimony that her husband had also taken excedrin the day he died my husband was sober as a cat he never should have taken that a sedge and I said to him you got no back problems you got to and he said to me oh it's a preventative so it's his fault is his fault and I deserve payment well this also gave Stella the opportunity to double dip now instead of just an insurance payout she also had a wrongful

death suit and it would have all gone perfectly had it not been for one slip up on Stella's part oh see in order to get the cyanide into the tablets Stella had to crush up the cyanide into a fine powder but she did that in the same bowl that she had used to crush up a chemical she used in her aquarium called algae destroyer and she didn't wash the bowl in between crushes oh no then she fell to lie detector test but what took her down for good was her kid like happens in a lot of cases always with these fucking kids what loose lips loose lips man well the things about Stella's loose tongue is that she just love talking to

her daughter from her first marriage about now what if Bruce was dead what else do they have going on what if we had a whole lot of life insurance money to spend what I tell you what you think I'm fun now but if your mommy had a lot of more money your body a lot more fun to begin with and I also thinking we should get into the box manufacturer business and start selling boxes different people zips up you got spend money make money mama I'm a little bit worried that you're just gonna drink yourself to death if you have any more money because the small amount of money you do have now it's gone it goes to mad dog 2020 and

Jameson only if I'm lucky Stella talked about it so much to her daughter that when Stella called up her daughter to tell her that Bruce was dead the first thing she said after the break in the news was I know what you're thinking and the answer is no and that's true she even told her daughter that she'd already tried to kill him once using Fox glove but all it did was making lazy so her oh so her ex her I guess her daughter from the first marriage no I know was the daughter stepped on a step step dad anyway her alibi was like I tried to kill him before it didn't work yeah why would I do it again okay yeah why would I

do it again anyway I guess we must be given Fox Club to all our members of Congress they seem to be acting real lazy as of late as well so when the daughter told all this to cops they started looking in a Stella's library records and they found Stella checked out two books deadly harvest and human poisonings from native and cultivated plants oh the only two books that might make her like obviously the suspect super guilty yeah and she didn't return either one of those books I'll have you know oh you see that's smart because that gets rid of the evidence you gotta pepper with something else like a bio

of Roy Orberston or something like very specifically was in the was in the black widow section of the library yeah the art of it's like the art of staying with your husband yeah and she didn't get rid of the books either she just kept him in her trailer and when cops dusted the books for fingerprints the only pages with Stella's fingerprints were the ones concerning cyanide and so Stella was charged with five counts of product tampering resulting in two deaths oh it was that and was sentenced to 90 years in prison and by the way she's still alive and well and upper parole next year okay I'll tell you what

now that I've been sober for a couple of years I can say that my husband was wrong and being sober sucks she's drinking some prune oh she's got some prison wine brewing every single day you know that if she's watching fresh out because fresh out talks about him making prune oh and it's just the problem with prune oh is that half time it'll make you fucking blind oh yeah it's an intense stuff lockup bra they just had a big bust on the one I was watching oh yeah garbage bags full of this stuff really disgusting like when Oprah brought out all of her fat on the radio flyer that's what it looks like but I drink it

well that's it for black widows part two you know I know some people were asking for us to cover Belle Gunness on this episode but Belle Gunness like we sit in the first episode she's getting one all her own okay but yeah we're just waiting until hell hell's princess comes out by Harold checker on April 1st go buy that go buy every book that Harold checker has ever written he's great if I if I could write the book I would rename it Harold's Princess because that's what she would have been and I would have treated her as queen and never would she have murdered anyone because my love my dick would have solved it but then

you wouldn't have anything to write about Harold but I don't need to write if I finally just have somebody I could lay down with I think he's married with the couple he's very happily married with a couple of kids Harold checker lives a wonderful life he's a professor out in Queens oh right well a couple of I guess they're vignettes the stories that we just did yes yes yeah it's been a while since we've done like a collection of certain types of murders but yeah we figured we'd we do something different this time yeah Helen I would also just say if you weren't afraid of women before now it's

time just to remember that every once in a while they could just pop off and kill a whole bunch of you you know my really black widow murders are kind of a thing of the past you know at least as far as like the the ones they like the 30 40 ones I guarantee that they are not we have been till we talk about this last episode ID channel has been teaching women how to murder for fucking 10 years well you know just gotten better they've just gotten better you look at the decline of the family dinner as big fast food restaurants and these you know huge corporations come in and feed us there's no time to poison you can't put

you can't put another seasoning on your KFC arsenic or anything like that it's not easy anymore well to be serious for for just a second net neutrality I know everybody's been hearing about it lately pretty much what net neutrality is gonna make it what's gonna happen if net neutrality ends it's gonna be possible for cable companies to charge you for podcasts they can charge you for access to podcast and they can charge us for giving you podcasts so if you want to keep the internet the way it is if you want to keep podcasts free call your congressman you can go to a battle for the internet calm to find out ways to do

your part please as this is actually very very important in a lot of different ways this is something that we actually need to take a hand in the FCC is in their Ted Bundy sorority berserker phase right now yeah no idea what the hell is going on now they're giving all the power to corporations not only that they're also putting in roles to make it easier for corporations to completely consolidate the media in towns in like low they're giving them the power to consolidate local media this is all this is very serious that is very serious stuff that is threatening our freedoms in hundreds of different ways I posted

about this yesterday on Twitter and I had several people just responded me saying no no no I'm not gonna I don't want to save net neutrality because it in the end it's gonna help the consumer to have a free market and then it's just not the truth it's not the truth it's just the they're lying to you this it's never work like that the ever corporations do not care about you yeah they don't they don't give a shit they're going to ruin your whole life and we're talking about I think a lot of people have made the joke already they're gonna fuck with your porn yeah they're gonna fuck with that first they're gonna

fuck with the things that you really really like first Netflix is gonna come first yeah all these things are gonna you you have to understand they're you're it's it's dire I disagree with that completely they're gonna come for the things you truly love last because they're gonna get you used to it first it's gonna be a small incremental thing and the last thing they're gonna do is come after your porn and by that time you're so used to it you're gonna say yes and you're going to thank them for it well we do have to think about porn addiction and what it's done to our society alright yes alright everyone I

want to thank everyone who came out to Omaha that was our final live show yeah holy hell that was incredible wonderful stuff it was credit I'm still uh getting healed yep from that weekend um Omaha was we did not have any stakes though I'm so I didn't anyway now I didn't either we had burgers mmm which are pretty good no we didn't have any chance because we wanted to go and end of being date night in Omaha and we went around looking for stakes and all the weights were too oh that's right it was Omaha date night yeah oh my day now but then you didn't have chicken fried steaks with us in the morning at the

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