Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 299: Pee Wee Gaskins Part II - The Chicken's Tongue

Episode Date: December 16, 2017

On part two of our series, we cover Pee Wee's most-likely fictional but still disgusting murders he called his Coastal Kills in Final Truth plus his actual first murders that are just as horrific, called by Pee Wee his Serious Murders.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left Yeah, it's not a swimmer's body About it. I'm the equivalent of you threw a golden retriever into an Olympic pool Oh We're gonna go we're gonna go this is the episode All right, this is the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kissel. That's Marcus Park. Hello little chupa-cabra Okay, and Henry hi I ever do in the water I go in the pool and one of my favorite things to do is that I watch all my hairs float up

Oh, you ever do that and run it through I have I'm so thick. Yeah, I hear so thick like all over me It's so like it used to grow in squirrels and now what's unlike I look it looks like dogs hair All right, we got part two of pee-wee gaskets. It's just kids I mean this episode is gonna be disgusting full disclosure here. I don't agree with this guy It's gonna be disgusting. No problem that you said that up top Um, just to help your career help our careers Yes, so I have been currently reading the original stories of Conan the Barbarian by Robert E. Howard Uh-huh, you have it you fucking should because it is a little

Comorotic, uh-huh, but besides that the wet glutes of the man. It's actually kind of nice. Did you say it was Kono? Erotic Erotic oh, okay, it's kind of fun cuz it's just big wet thick men fighting each other Cleveland skulls A lot of people can like by the sort of the graph. Yeah, it's really fun shit Cool, but there's a there's a segment here that Reminded me of pee-wee Conan in one just when one moment reminded me of people. All right Conan stared in wonder at the cold classic beauty of that countenance. He's looking at a giant snake Yeah, okay, they cover that book by the way. It is very erotic by the way. No, no, no, it is brave. They're heroic

Okay, all right. All right Conan stared in wonder at the cold classic beauty of that countenance Who's like he had never seen among the sons of men Neither weakness nor mercy nor cruelty nor kindness or any other human emotion was in those features They might have been the marble mask of a god carved by a master hand except for the unmistakable life in them Life cold and strange such as the Samarian had never known and could not understand He thought fleetingly of the marble perfection of the body which the screen concealed It must be perfect. He thought since the face was so inhumanly beautiful But he could see only the godlike face the finally molded head which swayed curiously from side to side

the full lips Opened and spoke a single word in a rich Vibrant tone that was like the golden chimes that's ring in the jungle lost temples of Keith. Hi It was an unknown tongue forgotten before the kingdoms of man arose, but Conan knew what it meant come You're an adult reading that You're a grown man, and this is this reminded you of Pee Wee Gaskins how exactly looking at the snake And then he's just like I am the snake and went back and forth

But Conan fucking cuts heads off the spray and bloody cuts guys fucking guts open It's all sorts of weird shit. There's snake women. He's always grabbing on breasts So you know he's straight and he's running around like it's not it's great. No date Henry Zabrowski Look at that I wanted a date last night. Oh Natalie and I went to go see the shape of water and I tell you what there's a hundred percent more active fish fucking in that movie Then was advertised The shape of water it's a little little hint. It's whatever you put it in I know it's stunning

It's stunning. All right. Let's get back to Pee Wee Gaskins part two and again This is this episode's brutal. There's gonna get we're gonna get some bad shit here So after going down for transport in a stolen car across state lines and being complicit in the jailbreak at the Contortionist husband on top of the successful garbage can escape Pee Wee Gaskins arrived in the federal prison in Atlanta I'm gonna say this time and I don't normally say this but I deserve this prison sentence and that's the final truth I know where the final truth lies and it lives with me being in jail So things ran a little smoother in federal prison though

And they were a little less chaotic unlike the power man hellhole Pee Wee was used to over in state prison Yes, now this was in part because these federal prisons housed both small-time crooks like Pee Wee and nationally-known criminals like New York City mafia boss Frank Costello aka the prime minister Wow They talk to me and they call me the prime minister because I was elected Because I have some dumb shit in bread where you're getting sick of the queen she comes near me a slap of daddy's dog What was one of your policy positions there to win this election because I remember hearing about that Connolly's

Make sure you bring this nice ruggles. Oh, it's so nice He's got them all the nuts on the outside. It's got the fruit In the middle, you know, it's like, oh my wrong I get why you won. That's a hell of a platform connolly's in the mid 1950s Because Stella got picked up for a tax evasion charge as these guys are want to do now I did a little cross referencing and it does look like Frank Costello and Pee Wee Gaskins were in Atlanta federal at the same time because of course the only source we have on this is Final truth there it is

But we don't know if Pee Wee's side of the story is actually true because Pee Wee goes into it just a little bit all right Pee Wee said that his reputation from the state prison and his brilliant garbage can escape had somehow made its way to Atlanta federal He went into the garbage can and was able to escape that way Say it again to me. I'm so impressed. Yeah. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah, what bring him to me So a few weeks after pulling banana peels off his head Snickers rapper No, a few weeks after Pee Wee arrived

He said Costello summoned him through a few mob lieutenants that somehow made their way to Atlanta federal as well And when the two met Costello shook Pee Wee's hand and said So, you have a little hatchet man Apparently according to Pee Wee his reputation was so impressive that Costello had even heard about him trying to kill a girl with a hatchet and failing when he was a kid Oh, and so from that day on a little hatchet man is what Pee Wee was called Well hatch a man what I like about you so much me and all the boys mean skinny Pete and fat Greg and what's funny Is because they give him the nickname and that's the opposite

But you which is what I like is that you all your nicknames so appropriate little hatchet man I just want to put you up in my little pocket. Oh, you just like a little tic-tac toy It's like oh, it's just I'm gonna suck on you like oh, you like a little mouth Yeah, Pee Wee Polly in your pocket Pee Wee said from then on his real education began He said in final truth quote They were my professors whenever I followed their advice. I always came out. Okay It was the times that I didn't do what they advise that I found myself in deep shit, and that's a final truth

It's gotta be Sounds like the unwanted son of the Simpsons character the rich Texan See Pee Wee thought that these guys were about the most brilliant people on earth Of course he does Wow and since he heard somewhere that Italian mobsters were referred to as wise guys Pee Wee referred to these criminals as the three wise men I think it's part of remember because guys is more casual No, I go it up saying that the wise man because that's what they are big brownie man fit

Well, I can say you know, you know, what's so wonderful about the Italian rice is that they got you know They're Italian by the size of the rings on their smallest finger Right Pee Wee, I gotta ask you, you know the three wise men. It's a biblical term there They went to they went to the barn not Jesus and all that stuff. You mean to say I'm copywriting Picasso said good artist borrow great ours steal. So it's kind of funny, right? That's kind of good, right? I would say that's almost a final truth. You could say that you could actually say that Throughout final truth Pee Wee again and again refers to these guys when he talks about disposing of bodies Calling the things he learned from them the wise men's rules

Now it could be that he was making all this shit up But on the other hand I can kind of see a bunch of New York mobsters taking this little psychopath under their wing for amusement in prison Kind of like a little mascot. Absolutely. And you know say what you want about the mob They know how to dispose of a body. They are on top of that game What was the fellow that we covered there in Canada picked it picked it? I think picked it in the mob who can who can dispose of a body better? They never found they never found that one fella Jimmy Hoffa Jimmy Hoffa Jimmy Hoffa was told to me by a wise guy in my Neighborhood when I was grew up in Queens that he was chopped up and fed to dogs. Is that right?

Yeah, and I was 10 when he told me this thing. I'll always remember They're really great. And I can you also imagine they caught Pee Wee cause they got Pee Wee guests there You're like the best spot while I'm about peeing is that I know cuz say what you will about his attitude. It's shitty Say we have bad by every single thing that he says it's mean He's telling me a little bestie not do like the parts of it parts of that parts of him make me upset But I do like is that every time he knows is right. He gets hard like a little turkey time. Oh, we all love it Don't you a pee we pee. We uh, what color is this pen? Um, it's red. That's fun. Whoa

It's a wonderful gift to parties That is a good gift. It would be nice if we had that You never never tell a lie. Why would you? Well, according to Pee Wee the whole thing was very serious and very respectful Said there was a mutual respect there that you cannot replicate Well, you know the classiest conversations happen in glorified bathrooms that have cuts in them. Yes. Yes Well, Pee Wee said that two months after Costello and his men were released from prison Pee Wee got a package in the mail Inside was an English to Italian Italian to English dictionary

$300 and an address in New York City on Elizabeth Street a.k.a. Lillily This did not happen Covered in hair That he got a care package from the mafia to come show up From Frank Costello one of the most powerful mobsters of the 20th century The worst part about sending a edible arrangement from the mafia is that the Mutsudel always slides down the sticks It never stays. Oh, it's so hard to send antiposs in the mail

Well, Pee Wee never made it up here to New York City, but about the offer he said now, you know I can't help wondering how different my life might have turned out if I took them up their offer and gone to New York and work for them But I didn't really, you know, I'm kind of comfortable doing what I'm doing. That's what you What do you think your life would have been like if you would have joined the mob? You think it would have been better or well, I know is everybody goes to New York City They got to put on fancy lady shoes Walk around seducing millionaires pretending to be their foreign wives

In order to hide their affairs and fancy parties and I that kind of sort unless it's my buddy Jimmy Or any of the other trouble trio that we used to watch fuck each other back in the day And there was nothing gay about that boys being boys. There's a little something gay Okay, well you don't gotta go So after the mobsters left Pee Wee's time in prison He says passed uneventfully until he was released in 1961 Okay, and upon release he rented a trailer from his uncle Dewey Parrot and lived with his cousin Marvin Parrot Oh man, oh it's so adorable if they weren't horrible murderers

Well, you know, it's just a lot of people going well Get you a guy who can do both Well, Pee Wee to appear respectable as he was out on parole He got a job with a traveling preacher named Reverend George E. Todd Okay, he drove the preacher around and you know, he used his carny skills to set up revivals and such Well the entire time Pee Wee instead of just hanging around the preacher He was either sneaking off to rob houses while everyone in these small towns were attendant Or he was scouting out places to come back to later for a little burglin

These poor people getting robbed when they're at church from the preacher and then they get home They've been robbed by Pee Wee. That's a double robbery was Pee Wee Gaskins. How old is he at this point? He is about 28. I think maybe 20 a little less than that and he's walking around with a reverend He's got robes on and shit. He obviously looks like an altar boy. He's dressed as an altar boy He's a child like size. He's not dressed as an altar boy If I was Pee Wee Gaskins I dressed a little robe. So in 1962 Pee Wee married his third wife Jerry Dolores But he did not have quite the same passion for her as he had for the previous two about Jerry Pee Wee said She was fine

That's a final truth Mostly like at that time I was more career focused And so when I got her around there just more like it was just nice to have a cover. Yeah, it's nice to keep losing my pussy cherry Yeah, you were mostly just robbing houses, right? Yeah, I was a career man So after about a year of petty theft Pee Wee committed another Unforgivable crime that would send him right back to prison One day while Pee Wee was visiting his mother He stayed at home while she and his wife went shopping after they left Pee Wee decided almost on a lark

To go visit the 12-year-old girl next door who he knew was at home alone Pee Wee raped her in her own bedroom and was caught and arrested the same day after stepfather Rightly turned him in as fast as he could But as Pee Wee was awaiting processing he jumped out of an open window 30 feet up and ran away What is he just is he a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle? At some point isn't someone like hey Sergeant, do you think we should shut the fucking windows? You don't want to count this is a jail and people might not might not want to go to prison And this is the man that is known for escaping from prison over and over and over

He said he was so since he was so little he was able to land on a bush and just be totally fine What was it isn't there is an X-Men that's really small and he bounces around nightcrawler is he nightcrawler? Don't defame Crawler the day he was very religious person. He's also a carney and well German. All right Of course he has to disappear sometimes. He's a German well Pee Wee then headed over the South Carolina border in a stolen 1962 Ford Galaxy Coincidentally the same model of car that David Berkowitz drove who's also in who just actually went to the hospital for heart disease He's actually he is sitting in the ICU right now, and we're about to lose another one

Man the in memoriam at the serial killer Oscars is gonna be very long Very long very last year when we were losing all the celebrities people loved Yeah, and I wasn't really that sad and then this year we're losing all the ones that I can't publicly mourn Really like if Berkowitz does die it will be like Must have needed a son Well out over the South Carolina border Pee Wee hit out on the Lumbee Reservation and met his fourth wife Leni oxen dine. I'm gonna say this again. Remember. I'm gonna say this again. Remember when you're five foot four You have to be extra extra charming. He has been banging his way

Everywhere, I mean besides the smell like I guess it's like he did of course. He did horrible crimes But it's weird how that horrible little man can turn on the charm just long enough to get a wife Right four times. It's actually six times. It seems like you're kind of talking about yourself There is well being five foot four and having to be charming. Do you have any idea the kind of mugs ebogs like? Obstacles and people my size have to go through it. There's a there's a sizes campaign out there against all people It's against all people. You're in Hollywood. You're in the land of the short man. Everyone is short. Hey, man You don't fit in the frame. We're just gonna cut you out Yeah, or we'll treat you like they did in in naked gun and not even show your face and just have bananas

Drop from your mouth theoretically assuming that you just eat raw bananas Remember when we were filming the characters in your section of the characters I remember having a I there was a missed that that just was literally for time It's got nothing to do with you But I remember talking with the DP about shooting you and he's like the problem is is that I just got to keep Swooping up so I can get the rest of bed I should be like just try to make the movement casual so kissle doesn't see it and you're just like walking to the side like Oh, I'm ready to perform

You know like all excited me like be knowing that the man had to like do it a parabola You got you in the frame. Well do some yoga before you film me and get your body in shape for crying out loud Well that marriage lasted three whole months before Peewee gave his wife the old I'm gonna go to the store and be right back routine But he had his reasons quote It weren't that I'd stop loving her It was that the weightiness and bothersome this stirring around inside of me It seemed to be coming more often the older I got and I didn't know how to deal with it

No other way except to just leave wherever I was and go someplace different. I got so edgy and mad at the world I just had to get away Hey, Peewee, have you heard of this bar? Cheers? It's actually a place where everyone knows your name. I think you might like it. It's in Boston I gotta say cheers. It's got some of the most beautiful women. I've ever seen in a bar You got that beautiful girl all built just right. I believe her name is Norm Up to the wait a second. I didn't smell the cologne Oh

Well that excerpt was the first time in final truth that Peewee mentioned the quote-unquote bothersomeness That's how he described his urge to kill the thing that drove him to kill by his reckoning over 100 people Jesus But the thing was if you look at Peewee's confirmed victims He was by no means your typical serial killer His victims ran the gamut of age race and sex unlike most serial killers who fall within the same three categories For all of their victims, right? Well, he did a lot of things out of business and out of convenience and out of pure rage

He was just a full-time criminal. It seemed like he's very closer very similar again He's tiny Carl Pansram where Carl Pansram obviously had a he had a built-in rage this bothersomeness He had the same shit, but a part of it was also whatever had to be done had to be done at the time in according to them Yeah, Charles Manson II he seems like well actually some people do call him the redneck Charles Manson Yeah on this Wikipedia page, that's one That's one of his nicknames, but like I thought about like the only thing that him and Charles Manson really share Well, it was the the whole reform school thing what happened to him in reform school and the fact that they're both tiny Yeah, and constantly in and out of jail and you do get the feeling like they can dance

Like if the right song hits the jukebox at the right time, they will dance Charles Manson's the type of person who just makes a lot of room of the dance floor with that Like he's that that kind of weird dancer with every once while there's a girl who's like interesting But Peewee Gaskins is one of those where he stomps on a board like Wonderful whites of you know that that documentary about the board The world of the world of the wonderful white something like that wild folks crystal meth

Peewee actually he didn't drink at all. He was really he was kind of he was a bit of a tea totally well Well, it didn't have a kerosene back. Well, he said that he'd have one or two beards ever once a while But he loved hanging out in honky-tonks is what he would say sober sober Arrested and you know he had a very big hat Because that's a man my size you should if you remember the hat my taco shell hat. I bought it for a Texas Pete Henderson Browski. Yeah, that's right. The thing is about Peewee is that it's very possible that he was more of a mass Murderer than a serial killer like a guy like a murderer of convenience However, he does have a fairly keen understanding of what it is that actually drives a serial killer

See when Peewee gave the interviews that led to final truth in 1989 in 1990 The behavioral science unit from the FBI and serial killers in general. We're not a part of the collective pop culture consciousness as they are today Shows like us definitely did not exist Like us yeah, like that like talk about talk about like serial killers and their motivations and what goes into the mind of a Like you had to go looking for that shit. Yeah, you had to go looking hard It was reserved for very special Donahue episodes basically That's where because they did break some serial killer news Yeah, they did break some serial killer news

But like the whole like the the study of the psychosis was pretty much Academic and I really don't see Peewee gas since as being a voracious consumer of academic studies Well, I definitely read a Calvin and Hobb strip one time Couple of words in there. I didn't understand and that's a final truth It is my ignorance that is my barrier and the ignorance that is my fault You know Kelvin made up Hobbs What? Yeah, that was all fake weird. Yeah, well, that's the weird thing about Peewee Gaskins Even though he didn't read any of this shit. Here's what he said about his motivations and final truth

Getting the guts and balls to do kill someone just to pleasure yourself is the only Difficult part once you've done the first and come to know that real special feeling You can't hardly wait till another better idea comes and leads and pulls and pushes you into what takes you up Into another place and even higher than you ever been before That makes sense I mean, it sounds like a great like pep talk on Silicon Valley, but it's unfortunate that your main focus is murder Isn't it? I could be a real chip gains because chip gains is all about positivity and saying fear is a loser

There's a loser's what he says I'm gonna leave the final truth chip gates Yes, you see is my inspirational figure, but false appearance appear in real there is fear Love Gary Pucey Well, what Peewee was talking about in that passage was the concept of escalation and that's what we know about serial killers They escalate throughout their career, but the thing is about most of Peewee's known murders There's very little escalation there and as we're gonna see later on there's no signature There's no consistent M. Oh and more than half of his kills are more crimes of convenience than serial killer

And that's also very similar to a less obviously far less elaborate HH homes Where it's about the constant seeking of the thrill where with Jeffrey Dahmer with the idea of the true perverted ones The ones that are truly Like caught in a realm of dark dark fantasy with Jeffrey Dahmer alone in his apartment Ed Gein crafting these full fantastic worlds. He is looking for an outside thrill He's looking for an outside gamble where HH homes was doing it with the murder hotel and all of the different insurance scams He's doing it by bouncing back and forth creating families and also committing crimes on the way and doing his car stripping job at the same time

You know HH homes really should have just called it the murder hotel Just give the heads up and then if you if you do get a room there. It's kind of on you Yeah, you know, it's it's the murder hotel. Well speaking of serial killings. Let's get into what Peewee called the coastal kills So after Peewee was eventually Reapprehended after his fourth wife turned to sorry ass and after finding out all the horrible shitty done nice. Yeah Yeah, oh, yeah Lenny did was not taking that shit So Peewee ended up back in the same state prison that he'd been in before not the federal prison with all the mobsters the state Prison with the power men, but to Peewee's dismay. There was no longer any such thing as power men

At least they weren't called power men What do you mean there's no power better, I remember back with how sad that is It's like going to McDonald's and asking for a whopper. Yeah, it ain't right Well, these men who used to be called power men They were still this they were still there if they just weren't called power men anymore. Why did they change the pronoun? What happened? I don't know. It's power person. What's going on? I don't know Well, the designation of power man was supplanted by conveniently for Peewee Nicknames. Oh

Yeah, if you had a nickname you had a reputation. There it is. See Hong Kong I go in there as Hong Kong Henry Zeprowski. It would probably be a difficult transitional period for me Yeah, I'm gonna hey there guys got myself a bit of a nickname. Aren't you afraid? Well, if you had a nickname you had a reputation and since Peewee was Peewee He says this stretch in prison was fairly uneventful because he was in fact a nickname with an in-prison reputation Because this is the same present prison that he'd already killed Hazel Brazel in Hazel Brazel. That's right No nickname needed. Yeah, and there were people in that state prison that remembered Peewee from last time Of course. So his reputation was intact. It hadn't been that long since he was gone

No, in fact this stretch was so uneventful that the warden wrote a letter of recommendation to the parole board that Peewee Be set free early. That's smart. We gotta all say we here at the jail really just want to thank Peewee for his Contribution to the holiday season. He made a perfect elf on the shelf Yep. Great. And so in 1968 at the age of 35 Peewee was back on the streets of South Carolina Of course he is. And during the day he worked as a roofer, but at night He stripped stolen cars as he'd done fairly consistently throughout his life since he'd been taught how to do it by the people who ran The girly show at the carnival, right?

But he said the bothersomeness started growing stronger. He said quote First that special heaviness commenced to roll around in my gut Then up my spine into my head and down again. I hurt from my balls to behind my eyes It was a truly terrible kind of pain and that felt like it wanted to tear me open so we could get out Janice I gotta tell you I had this strangest conversation with our roofer this morning Um, he really went in. We shouldn't hire him anymore He does sound like Quado

Open up your chest a little bit. Let me Imagine how many times he wanted to talk. He's like undo your shirt. I want to come out now Let me do it. Let me show it. Let me get him. I've been working it all fucking night And so the coastal kills as P we called them began but before we get to the coastal kills It must be said that not a single one of these coastal kills have even come close To being confirmed and that's what we want. We don't want these to be real We do not want these to be real at all What we're about to talk about here is not fact

Despite how many writers around the internet and in print like to present as such these are definitely not fact And I've noticed a lot of writers Presenting the bullshit that pee we spouts in final truth as truth absolute truth, and it's not it's not confirmed whatsoever are you uh, so you're implying that there's misinformation on the internet The fact that pee we says the term the final truth. It's a stick. It's a great branding Right does it's a great for a television show if you had a show on the Willy Wonka television screen like was it a movie I Think that's the world. We're living in now actually Yeah, all this shit. This is this is only what pee we

Says he did these stories should not be repeated as Bible truth I don't even like you using the term Bible truth because we know that the Bible is not filled with truth either It's got funny little sayings. Yes, it does It's just an expression Henry. Thank you just for saying that for clarifying Final truth see all pee we wanted as we said in the last episode was to go down in history as the meanest Baddest sickest psychopath in American history and that's exactly why he allowed final truth to be written and exactly why he only Allowed it to be published after he was dead if there was no chance for follow-up questions Then there was no chance anyone was gonna catch him in a lie

Oh, and as far as the detail it goes into these stories Yeah, you gotta remember this guy had eight years in prison to think this shit up Oh, he's not the fastest thinker in the world. No, like he really took a long time and go home Yeah, in the vagina But think about how long it took George R. R. Martin to write these damn dragon fucking filth books Yeah, yeah, I don't you know, I watched a little bit of that. You don't care for it. You're not a fantasy you hate fantasy You know like Lord of the Rings though. I like Lord of the Rings It's the ring that well you save us all or whatever the hell it is

I like the ends and I like and I like those the ones that everyone doesn't like you just like tall things You're gonna be the strangest when you're a new father at 55 and you have whatever child comes out of like you're 55 Oh, yeah, it's got the uh, it's got the ring in it Either way, I'm gonna need you to raise yourself Basically, you know, but Samwise is a good character He does do a lot. He does a lot of the heavy lifting of that not a lot of credit Literally does all the heavy lifting because of the ending of the film Frodo's quite light but a little dramatic there

But it is possible that Pee Wee could have committed at least a couple of these murders But it's highly unlikely if not impossible for him to have committed as many as he did in the frame of time He puts forth so Pee Wee said that when the bothersomeness started getting the better of him He'd leave the house to prevent him from taking it out on whichever one of his families He happened to be hanging around with at that time and he put time in with his families. Yeah, he did strange thing about this guy It's really weird Now Pee Wee started by just driving by himself up and down the Carolina coast on US Highway 17 from Wilmington, North Carolina To Charleston, South Carolina

But then he started picking up hitchhikers, which as we know were plentiful in 1968 What's what is it with with Charlottes? Is it Charlottesville Charleston? Charleston Charleston? Yeah, seems like a lot of bad things happen Yeah, I don't know man now at first Pee Wee just started given the hitchhikers rides Just like Ed Kemper did giving himself those little allowances one at a time Yeah, then he started offering money for sex and if the girls said no He'd drop them off wherever they were no matter what and drive off when enough women started saying no Pee Wee started getting pissed and that's when he says the violent fantasies began as they always do with sexual serial killers

He said he would masturbate while he thought about hanging all the girls who said no Upside down by their feet and whipping them just like what had been done to him when he was a kid Although Pee Wee doesn't make that connection himself. Yeah, that's so weird He doesn't even think that you wrote that imagery from your past into what may be your fake Sex fantasy life, but really what stopped Pee Wee every time from doing that Was the threat of prison if the women went to the police afterwards, but one day a realization hit him What he actually called his quote-unquote miracle Okay, Pee Wee said he took off to Myrtle Beach one Sunday in 1969 quote

When the pain was like plumbum and my bowels and the weight was so heavy. I couldn't hardly breathe Well nurse it looks like he's got pain like a plumbum There's no denying that we better give him some ox. Do I have Christmas cancer? You might have it What is plumbum? It's lead. Oh It's lead. That's why the elements, you know, the what do you call like the element letters for lead is Pee Wee Oh plumbum. Yeah, because he used to be called plumbum The dumbest name of all time

Access to I think somehow an access to an atomic chart atomic And then they to they figured out it was iron, but still called it by the dumbest name Plumbum Not iron lead Pee Wee said on that day He picked up a girl gave her the same proposition of money for sex and once again the answer came back as no So Pee Wee said fine, but I got to turn down this dirt road first to drop you off Pee Wee said he pulled over stared at her and had his moment of realization. He said quote

What I had to do was kill her I remember smiling to myself and wondered why I never thought of that before So when she reached down to get her duffel bag Pee Wee said he punched her in the side of the head three times And when she was out he took off his belt and tied her hands behind her back And here is where we have our first gold star for this series Just so you know this is gonna get pretty fucked up from here on out and again We have no idea if any of this is true, but nonetheless this is still this is a peek into the mind of a Serial killer into the mind of a killer's fantasy life

This is what he wanted you to know about his secret crimes And this is a part of whether or not it's true He definitely wanted to give the juiciest story of all time So a part of it's like we're gonna look at his concept of himself I think the idea of what he thought he was capable of because that's really what it comes down to is that even if it's Not real like what we've talked about many times if one percent is true then he did many fucked up things So part of it is it so this is a this is just a part of where he thought he could go. Yeah, all right Well, I'm gonna say it's not real. That's what I'm gonna tell myself in my brain

Very good distancing. Yeah, very good. That's what I've been having to do to get myself to sleep at night over the last week and a half And he said he got her outside the truck and on the ground and when she woke up He said he sliced one of her nipples off put it between his front teeth and smiled at her And when she screamed he said he shoved it in her mouth and made her eat it He said he then put her back in the truck and drove down to a marsh brought her back out been her over and shoved an 11 inch blade into her vagina and Sliced up. Oh, but still she survived

He said he then chained her to a pine limb with a heavy logging chain Dropped her into the water with the pulley and watched as the bubbles no longer rose to the surface And that's really the only place where It does sound true because we're gonna find out that's how they would lift the engines out of the cars They were stripping. There is something in that motion with the with the pillion the pulley in the chain That he had done again and again that I don't know whether or not he then made up and like extrapolated Oh, I could use this as a murder weapon, but he did Investigated the area or the they did they didn't find jack shit anywhere ever

He said he then drove away stopped at a truck stop cafe had the biggest stake on the menu and drove all the way home that very night Playing the radio as loud as he could and singing along the whole time Well, I think it was actually a big steak, or is he this so small? Steak you ever have and they're like, all right, then he's bring them a sausage patty and it's like It also makes me really sad because this is my favorite way to celebrate something Oh my god eating yes a big steak and singing along to the radio. Yeah, yeah But I mean like and I also want to apologize to Eddie money for possibly even bringing them into this scenario Because Eddie money is is if he was accidentally listening to any money. He is not culpable

He's not a part of this and I don't want any of these accusations to get to him two tickets to paradise. Oh my god You're going with someone that I only have one ticket You're selfish. I didn't know that you could get more than one. Well all this This is what Pee Wee says now Let's start with one of the big problems here in this story if he did what he said he did He would have been covered head to toe with blood and yet He was able to go straight from the kill to a diner I mean did he make some excuse say he was just killing a deer don't mind the blood

Oh Yeah, you absolutely you can yeah, I mean you got to show them the deer. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's key Yeah, so they all go like oh, yeah, that's a big one right there Oh, yeah, I caught one that look just like it last week and you have a bunch of people just bitchin Yeah, you're hunting seasons a pretty gruesome time on the the old streets of Wisconsin. Oh, oh, it's very gruesome and oh It's gruesome in Texas as well. Yeah My dad was telling me a story last night about field stripping a buck and that was a lot of blood in that story field Stripping a buck is also going to be the name of my first gay pornography

It'll be a good time when your career totally Because of this podcast and you're forced into do husky meat work I mean the only other explanation is that pee we managed to wash himself up in a fetid filthy South Carolina swamp and he also just happened to have a change of clothes in his truck But he probably could have just laid down and then a bunch of dogs could have just thought he was a jack Russell terrier Simply because of his size and they all could have licked him clean Like it like it Batman returns Oh, she falls out of the cats. Yeah, I have become terrier

Serious neither those scenarios seems likely Let's also look at the wider scope of the so-called coastal kills I did I have to say I accidentally I got HBO on demand and I didn't accidentally watch the shaggy dog with Tim Allen for far too long Are you bragging? Are you bragging? I did not want to watch it subscription. No, I'm not bragging. I just say I'm saying and I did watch it for too long Okay, I watch it for 25 minutes Well, let's look at the scope of these kills here He claims that he picked up almost all of his victims remember

It's a hundred plus victims right that he claims He said that he picked up all the victims on the Carolina coast off highway 17 He said he would then dump the bodies at various places in the swampy areas further inland near towns like PD Finkley dog bluff and ketchup town I knew all coincidentally on the travel channel coincidentally on the travel channel this week. They were all named top four Cities to find bodies of dead girls Also second PD and dog bluff were both second most likely to accidentally step in dog shit on the way to the post office

You just missed the dog. That's all that means Well, baby says as far as his victims went he said he did everything from burning them with acid to running cables through their bodies and hanging Them trees fill in their orifices with molten plumbum. Where's he getting up the way the means Exactly He said he'd use like little fires and he would yeah, but because lead does melt, you know, fairly easily I think you know, I got my little Bunsen burner back Yeah, he even like I mean it's all these like really bizarre things like he said that he Pumped one woman full of water until it came out of her nose in her mouth

But then it and but then he said she died too quick. So he didn't do that ever again But you know, I mean these guys do weird fucked up shit like that. I'll tell like you remember Jennifer Bianchi remember he Used the syringe to fill the woman full of drain-o and shit like or not drain-o That is truly someone that is that is a process killer, right? That is someone that really enjoys the act of murdering Well, all the other crimes that get pinned on Peewee Gaskins are quick murders that it used to cover up other crimes

And so it's interesting for that aren't there aren't but they're like yeah, yeah, they're more they're twisted still They're still obviously very fucked up But he the idea of something like this is it's strange because doesn't fit with everything else We know about him we know him as a hardened criminal But we don't know him as this as somebody who's so Into the fantasy part of the murder besides now just sitting in jail and writing about it Yeah, I didn't like the the villain from seven. Yeah, very much so now Let's also look and take a look at the numbers now all of these victims were all supposedly picked up from the same

173 mile stretch of road and he starts in mid 1969 and he goes till 1975 and he said he'd killed three by Christmas in 1969 already then in final truth He alternates throughout between saying he killed on average every six weeks or Around the tenth of each month for some reason yeah He said for some reason it was always around the tenth of each month that he started getting the bothersomeness And that's when he would go out. They your rent check has just been

I mean like you're sitting there like it's kind of fun. It's like a it's an in-between moment You're gonna get paid again in the 15th. So right not a lot to do I guess I guess that means that in the space of about five years if he kept to a schedule at least 63 people would have gone missing on a Single 173 mile stretch of highway many of whom would have been noticeably missing and you think you would especially if it's just that one Highway because I would think so just that one. I mean it's a long hot It goes past Charleston and past Wilmington, but like just between those two cities now compare that to Canada's infamous highway at tears You know over the last 40 years 40 women have gone missing or have been found murdered on a single stretch of highway in Western Canada more than twice the length of peewees apparently they're also gonna change the 405 here in LA to the highway of tears

But that's mostly because that's where the most auditions take place It was started by I think it's the most incredible irony in the world that it was a fire Accidentally started by homeless people and then it burnt Robert Murdoch's house down Yeah, about the highway at tears multiple books have been written about this stretch documentaries have been made So if 63 people went missing on one stretch of road in a popular coastal American area You'd be damn sure someone would have noticed especially since they were all white people would have noticed in 1963 sure or in 1968, but they didn't so it's not gonna fucking it's it's not true So who knows but again if one person is true if one person is true

It's possible that peewee here and there one percent would just be he gave a woman a glass of water Which is actually quite nice. That's actually not true It's like if he had done a couple of these of the couple of these murders If he'd done a couple and I can see any murders in this situation in this coastal kill situation It's possible that maybe he did like three or four But I can guarantee the shit about him picking up hitchhikers and asking them for sex for money And him getting filled with rage when they say no happened several times I imagine what he was driving around super super horny and mean just driving around feeling that bothersomeness

Which I do believe he did have it wasn't necessarily for just murder It was just to act out that he picked somebody up and I guarantee but I don't think it was like a torture session I think it was like he flipped out and would either shoot him or or stab him or choke him and then just leave him Yeah, horny and mean and a Never sung by whale and jennon No, I mean it was privately or spoken about I said I'm ornery not horny. Put your clothes back on

But you know most of this stuff Especially the story where he says he murdered what sounds a hell of a lot like the Scooby-Doo gang Sounds a lot like fantasy. He did murder. He murdered Shaggy. I know it leaves a dog alone But I hope it oh, yeah, that's the only thing getting me through that but that's not to say pewee Gaskins wasn't a horrific piece of shit Murderer, he was for a 1970 pewee would commit the first of what he called his serious murders Yeah, and I wonder if they were on channel 34 illithium Serious serious is thriving, you know because they don't let anybody have any idea what their analytics are

That's how you know. Yeah, that's how you know they're doing great Well, be we's designation here was that coastal kills were people he didn't know While serious murders were people he either knew well or were at the very least Acquaintances, okay, the only one pewee says fell somewhere in between Was the girl whom he said he cut pieces off while she was still alive and ate him before force feeding her a chunk of Her own calf. He seems to be very much into this force feeding people their own body part. He's into it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, he thinks something about the ultimate domination you can see in his head about how that that's a way to Show how much you master somebody. Yeah, I guess so now while the serious murders were never as brutal as that

Fantasy except for one, which is also probably at least half fantasy. That's not to say they aren't horrific They began in 1970 when pewee was 37 with Patricia and Allsbrook and Janice Kirby his own niece This one is real According to pewee he ran into Janice and Patricia one night at the local burger joint where he found Janice had drunk drank a Few too many beers and it passed down the girls. They were with asked if pewee could take care of her and he obliged So pewee bundled her into his car But Janice's friend pewee figured she'd better go along to make sure Janice was okay Probably because pewee was a well-known local shit bird

Yeah, he's just friends name Patricia Patricia and it's just he's a fucking disgusting person and they all know this and he's going there I don't think it was an accident I don't think you'd expect someone to be as bad though And even if the worst person you know you don't expect to be to end someone's life like that Well, that's what these guys hope for and a part of it So he goes to this burger joint surrounded by teenage girls and he is obvious to me in my head He's skulking around like he's he's looking for he's looking for some action and then happens to bump into his fucking niece Yeah, so after pewee got the girls some coffee Janice puked all over herself in the car

So pewee offered to take him back to his place to clean her up And that's when pewee said he made the decision to rape them instead of taking him back to his house He took him out to an old rundown tenant house that he knew of out in the country He lulled the girls into a false sense of security then pulled a knife on Janice putting it up to her throat But the attempt failed when Patricia slammed pewee in the back of the head with a two-by-four All right, and the two ran out in the woods. However pewee soon caught up fired a shot in the air and led him back to the house But the girls weren't done after another struggle pewee knocked out both girls to this pistol Rendering them both unconscious and half dead and that's when he said he decided he had to kill them both now

We're gonna see yes. This is that you're gonna say here. It's true. This is what shows normal serial killer thinking Yeah, this actually falls more in line with what we know about serial killers the vast vast majority Don't start with the Mondo horror movie scene about the Hitchhacker the pewee conjured up earlier Most times the first murder is an accident committed in the commission of another crime And once it happens the killer realizes it gives him a feeling that supplants all others He's had before and the serial killing begins So after knocking out the girls pewee left Janice at the house and locked Patricia in the trunk of his car He then went to a vacant house

He knew of that had a septic tank and somehow managed to get the cement lid off the top This is what he said he did next I Planned to crack her skull open to make sure she was dead But I decided that would make too big a mess So I just lowered her into the sludge and waited until there wasn't any more bubbles They're not push the cement lid back in place and the reason why we know this one is true Is because six years later pewee led police to this exact spot and there was the body of Patricia and Allsbrook Absolutely brutal, but so you're gonna see he uses that he knew that that

Technique worked once and so he can use it in his fake crimes as well You can just use it as a is a as a detail that works. Yeah Oh, I can only hope his defense attorney was Tim Allen turning into a dog That's the only way you can trust him or you know, it's would have also been really good Jim Carrey and that liar liar That's right So when pewee got back to the house his niece Janice had died from her injuries And so possibly in some sort of fucked up reverence because she was family He took her out back buried her and covered the ground with pine needles and her body was never found

Oh, they never found that never told police where that tenant house was. Oh my goodness. All right Now you would now you would think that because of pewee's record along with the fact that he was the last one seen with the girls The police were pressing pretty goddamn hard for their disappearance. I would think so I would hope so but when cops question him Peewee said Janice had asked him about Kenfolk living in California and the two girls were planning on running away And Peewee said he then let him out and they got in a car with boys. He believed were from Orangeburg Mmm, and that was the last he'd seen him not from Ketchup town Yeah, yeah, yeah, right next to Lemonville, which is even worse I mean we talked about with the Dean Corral murders

They just believe kids ran away. Oh, so this is a shitty Fucking part of the country in a shitty time to be in it So you could see why people be like I'm getting out. I guess so yeah, no these kids were they were lower class Nobody gave a shit, you know, so Peewee got away with it. Same. I mean, yeah, it's exactly like Dean Corral Because you know how many kids went missing in that lower class used to neighborhood before the cops gave a fuck right and Peewee Gaskins He killed at least ten others over the next five years We know he killed ten at least ten other people in the next five years

We're at 12 total kills for Peewee. Is that about uh, it's confirmed 12. Okay, probably Most likely 15 all right probably 18. Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah Now one of the reasons why Peewee got away with it was that right after These two girls went missing another high-profile case dropped in the laps of local law enforcement 13 year old Peggy Cuttnow a Cuttnow's father was a state senator and of course when she went missing all resources went to her and even more were Dedicated when Peggy was found murdered two days later a guy named junior Pierce went down for the crime But Peewee claimed he was the one who was actually responsible. How many people in South Carolina are named junior

Well, Peewee was originally named junior he was Juniors pretty common down there. I guess I don't know. I've never been to South Carolina Are you never been at least went through it and that's where I met a guy named Mifers Mifers Eddie McDonald's Eddie McDonald's I went to I Was in South Carolina. We were driving from New York to Florida. We thought we would be fun

We rented a Dodge Charger. We were in South Carolina. We were exhausted and hungry. You would drive in 20 hours We stopped to go into McDonald's. I was gonna go to I went into the bathroom and I'll get out just standing at the urinal man comes stands next to me He like he gives me like a nod like it looks over. He fully takes his pants off Full underwear with his ass hanging out of the back and he pisses all over the inside of the urinal I go back into the McDonald's family. Jesus Christ like it comes out realize. He's working for the McDonald's He was in McDonald's uniform and his name tag, and I am not joking Mifers

I asked for milk with my coffee, and I wanted to cut like a little thing of milk and he was on Just milk and I'll give the man milk, and they're like, yes, Mifers. Just give him the damn milk You charge him for the milk Huh Well something a nice place beautiful state Well, yeah, this guy junior Pierce he went down for the crime Peewee claimed he was responsible final truth on that Is it Peggy just like the girl Peewee hit with a hammer in his 20s had sassed him Oh, well Peewee said he didn't do anything about it immediately

He was still stewing over it days later as he was having a meal at his favorite seafood restaurant the crab tooth Okay, this is what I'm gonna say this right now. This is my only two rules These are my two rules for restaurants. Okay, never eat in an empty restaurant and Never eat at a place where the title of the name of the restaurant has parts of the animal attributed to the animal They do not exist It's not you just can't have it can't be called like the chicken's tongue I guess you call the chickens definitely have tongues that chicken chicken hands Yeah, wombat brains

Smarter brains smaller brains on the wombat monkey constitution. You can't eat a place called the monkey Constitution I like the monkey Constitution. I like an empty restaurant though. It's not an indication that the food is bad restaurants The restaurants that are packed are the good restaurants never eat at an empty restaurant. You will get sick I like empty restaurants. Well Peewee said as he was stewing at the crab tears There's gonna be one of those back and forth, so it's just gonna go on for a while. I'm just gonna end it. All right All the service Just nobody there if there's nobody there It's also important if you're eating at a restaurant of another culture's food

You should be one of the only white people in it Mm-hmm, so As he was sitting at the crab tooth Peewee said he decided to do something about this girl sassin him First he set up an alibi for himself by written a tourist cabin in Charleston And he made sure everyone in his regular bar in Charleston saw him there. He said he then drove Well, you know, I'm here Peewee is at the bar Yeah, I'm sitting on my favorite stool. I'm sniffing my favorite flower which I leave here every time

He's running back and forth like the butler from clue. I Think we saw Peewee Peewee was definitely here Peewee was here. I know Peewee He said he then drove back to Sumter where both he and Peggy were living at the time He said he found Peggy Kidnapped her tortured her then left her body in the middle of the road to be found He said the reason why he left her instead of sinking her in the swamp as he had almost all the other bodies Was to prevent cops from accidentally stumbling upon other bodies that Peewee had killed in their search This one isn't as far-fetched as some of the others

Peewee was working on a house on the same street that Peggy lived on and that house was on the way Back and forth to where Peggy walked to go to school Hmm. However, we also know that Peewee was questioned and investigated for the Peggy cut no murder But despite Peewee already being a very recent suspect and the disappearances of two other girls around the same age This is what one officer said about him Peewee is a small-time punk who talks and acts tough to get women to notice him, but that's all he is just talk So, uh, you're just a horrible police officer. Is that it? No, I'm a lazy police officer. Oh, I see Big difference and we're gonna find out even more about how dead wrong that cop was on part three of Peewee Gaskins

Oh my goodness. All right. Well, that's this this is a Interesting disgusting tale here Peewee Gaskins. There's a lot of ins and outs to this one. What if it's a buffet? It is like a buffet. It's a buffet a serial killer talk. Well, there is that but I'm thinking if you're alone at a buffet The food can't be that bad. No, because then the food's not getting turned around fast enough. You're turning around. No, you're not It's just sitting in a thing congealing It's like when a restaurant the problem is you've got all these backup orders that they made and then they're just sitting there under Warming lamps and you come in it's like you're not getting fresh food with a lot of people There's a lot of dishes going out and a part of it's like the moneys would encourage is everyone to work harder

Like it's just not good. You have to that's where the capital is the system supposed to work that the customers drive quality This is a tough episode for me to handle Interesting theory interesting theory indeed. Well, I also I want to thank She did get ahold of me. I want to thank the person who gave me the Peewee Gaskins book Jessica Shannon She's of course we plugged her subreddit before Our Jessica M. Shannon, but what she really wants us to do is plug a go fund me for one of her friends It's go fund me comm slash Lynn dash Jim. That's Lynn L Y and in dash Jim

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Channel his inner Jason and then we'll see who the bully is The bully is come Monday. Well, we kids people people feared Peewee Gaskins I have no idea the internet story arcs that take place every 36 hours are hilarious Why we don't get involved in people personal lives like this. No, just stop. Just leave it all out leave it all out I'm filming your kids stop filming your kids if your child is crying because he is bullied don't they don't want that on the record I promise you well apparently it was his idea the quote-unquote. That's what they say Oh, it was his idea. Film me during this extremely emotional painful moment mom, please go you watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre You watch you watch any movie with big people who are ugly

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