Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 299.5: Pee Wee Gaskins Part III - Tell That to Aunt Monkey

Episode Date: December 30, 2017

On part III of our series we cover some of Pee Wee's most horrific murders (if they're true), the continued disintegration of the Final Truth, and the murder for hire scheme loosely connected to one of the biggest pop stars of the late nineties.  Nowhere Land Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Pookatori and Friends Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 L

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Today is I need I'm sorry from a Ben kissle No, we don't know aliens are real number one We talked about this on this week's episode of abling its top at we can't you cross over this is not Over and I am going to tell you an alien a UFO in unidentified I unidentified flying objects. Those are real. Yeah, what's in it? Is it full of Nutella? I am owed an apology still Richard Dolan is afforded an apology Another wrote a series of books talking about how the government is researching long time They've been spending a lot of money

Researching this for a long time and they've been lying about it and I am vindicated Wow, I am vindicated. I am I am OJ Simpson now now Okay, well, there's no evidence of graze or anything else or This is the last podcast on the left. You're never gonna get an apology not until I am shaking hands with the Palladian making a nuclear deal They would never touch it. They would never touch you No, I knew this was gonna go right to his head. Your Twitter feed is unsufferable. It's insufferable right now Exponentially

Yeah last podcast on the left. I am Ben kissle Marcus Parks Loading Henry Zabrowski. I couldn't if I if I gloated more I'd be floating It's good until he's floating Henry Zabrowski. I feel elated. I'm still kind of walking around in a daze I feel like I'm in love again. I like walking around being like that. It's just it's I don't know There's a color everywhere. It's like I'm in Pleasantville very nice. All right Well, we're gonna get into the opposite of Pleasantville We're on Pee Wee Gaskins part 3 and it continues to get more and more depraved and sad and disgusting That's right episode two ninety nine point five

Because you can just say the number of an episode Anything you want anymore now do have one correction right up top police did find the body of Pee Wee's niece However, they did not find her anywhere near the never-discovered tenant house where Pee Wee said he committed his first serious murders And to that end that makes the total number of bodies and therefore the confirmed number of kills Attributed to Pee Wee Gaskins 13. Okay, not the 12th that I previously thought all right keeping it truth Thank you dog meat for doing the Trill Act and I said Trill huh, which is the new way of saying cool I've heard But it's super Trill of you wow to be

Transparent and to offer full disclosure I love it because as soon as a middle-aged white dude says the the word that is cool currently in vogue It becomes less it's over less in vogue. It's immediately. It's done. So you you already you killed that I tell you what? It's totally lit to learn new slang in 2017 and also you don't have to drink coffee out of your new moof on my Bragging to Marcus and I no one else could see the camera have not heard my apologies yet There's a lot of people apologizing right now. I need to get on top of that pile It's not happening No

One of the more interesting things about Pee Wee Gaskins is not just the myth he created for himself But also the myth that the people of South Carolina created for him For example, there's a story from a reporter who traveled down to Florence County after the body started showing up at first People said oh, yeah, Pee Wee's a nice fellow always comes in and treats me right But by the time the fifth and sixth and seventh bodies came out of the ground People started talking about how Pee Wee used to be pretty goddamn loose-lipped with how many people he killed and that's not what you Want to do no it's definitely not it's mostly the whole thing You should probably like keep your mouth shut about how many people you killed unless you're really really small

And you probably didn't kill all those right If you haven't if you haven't seen itanya check it out Shawn in the in the movie is exactly what like Pee Wee He just brags and brags and brags and then sure enough you get busted and you know what that even Extends to this day this whole myth-making thing I've gotten a ton of emails from people wanting to tell their Pee Wee Gaskins stories and I do appreciate each and every one But it just seems like just about everyone from South Carolina has a friend or a cousin or grandpa That knew Pee Wee at some point in their life. It's their Rascal flats. I'm trying to think of a good a person for them

It is their person that said that deep within the web of their community. It's their Hank Aaron It's their Bobby Bonilla There it is three references you will always get to Bobby Bonilla, but this makes sense It's a small community close-knit Pee Wee's a legend. It's not just the community It's the entire state of South Carolina. That's right. What else is it known for honestly? It's peanuts right ball peanuts Yeah, I think that's North Carolina. No, I don't think that North Carolina's tobacco I think South Carolina's tobacco as well peanuts. That's back in Texas. I love George it George a poor old Simple oh peanut farmer. This is the conversation inside the conversation that the audience really wants to hear about

And just for the record the so-called angry grandpa stories on YouTube about him knowing Pee Wee Gaskins are pure unadulterated Horseshit nothing in the timeline matches up and he gets the voice completely wrong as we'll see in part 4 But the common thread and all these stories is that almost everyone's story is Horrifying how one person sent me an email saying Pee Wee used to bury groups of stray cats up to their necks and Run them over with the lawnmower and that he did it multiple times while people looked on Well first of all if that is true if we feel horrible for the cats They're treated like grass that's not appropriate

But that's a scene out of that out of that horror movie that the the series with all the girls in the sorority It was hot for a while. It was out last year. What are you talking about? You're full of shit. No, no There really is one they buried the sorority sisters and then the devil mowed over them someone listening knows what I'm talking Yes, someone definitely knows what we're talking about. Thank you But this is so we're gonna see here Pee Wee Gaskins succeeded He wanted to build himself up. He was the whole point We're gonna go deeper and deeper into this of how what is truth than what is fiction the majority of it is fiction

But in the end what do we know about reality is if the consensus believes in it the more more real if it comes He's he he learned the power of fake news deep In the fucking 70s. I'm so happy you didn't take that to aliens. I thought we were gonna find a way back there Well aliens are true and it's just about what do you mix into it? And they are there are stories and there are specific information There's disinformation threaded through alien stories in order to discredit those that be willing to stick their neck out Well that story about the cats and the lawnmower and all that shit it probably isn't true But you can see how these stories grow on their own possibly because Pee Wee Gave these people a pretty good base for all these stories even when people didn't take him seriously for example

Pee Wee's infamous hearse Now at one point in the early 70s Pee Wee said he was doing some shade tree work for a stock car Driver when he ran into a fella. He knew driving an old Cadillac hearse The friend said he was having a hard time selling it so Pee Wee picked it up for next to nothing That's so great. I mean, I just can't imagine like why aren't people buying my cadaver vehicle? Hey, I couldn't help it over here you say now the hard time letting go your cadaver vehicle Yes, let's just say I run of what people like to say is a private institution that should be public and as a matter of fact It's not very private in the way that I speak about it because I talk about having a cemetery pretty often

I'll take it for five dollars. All right, so so would be we got home with this new purchase He got a bumper sticker that said we haul anything and he modified it to say we haul anything live or dead I oh, yeah, you know what he when he got that when he picked that out of the whatever store you got it at He laughed like George W. Bush And that sticker went right next to the one that said support your local sheriff irony And to make it as obnoxious as possible Pee Wee attached a siren to the roof of his hearse But he would crank from the driver's seat so everybody knew Pee Wee was coming

I feel like something to this gleeke somehow into Dan Echoids brain about putting the siren on the ghost The ghost will be on echo one an echo one because it's it didn't need a siren, right? Well, they said he would drive by the bar and scare all the whiners Honestly, it's sad to say but it is awesome. It's fun. It's right. I forgot he's doing all this sober Because a guy named Pee Wee who's a serial killer who buys a hearse you would think he was drunk No, 100% sober you said he'd have like two or three, but for the most part. Yeah, he was a It's a completely sober guy and when people would ask Pee Wee why he drove a hearse he'd say quote Because I killed so many people I need a hearse to haul them all to my private cemetery

And that's the final truth and I've got a private cemetery cemetery for Pee Wee I put the holes where I want them to That's a song I wrote That's a final truth final truth and everybody laughed and laughed a crazy little Pee Wee Despite the fact that he was the sole suspect in the disappearance of two young girls not a year before It's really strange about how he built of this myth because you remember in the timeline I think we get a little bit lost now. Remember Pee Wee's already been in and out of jail up to this point He went to kitty jail then he went to big boy jail where he became at the power man

Then he got back out of jail they went back into the jail and you met the wise men came back out So now he's technically running his own industry, right? He's got a car He's got his car thief ring and he's doing his car stripping shit So all all this is happening He's feeding the rumors of everything about him what seems to be sort of like a like a chaff cloud Right, you use for fucking like like missiles and shit words like he's saying all of this horrible shit meanwhile. He has a real credible There's a credible

People coming after him for the murder of these two young girls got so he's hiding in it Yeah, why didn't the y'all why don't the police at this point just gonna go just grab him Well, the funny thing is that the police this whole time didn't take him seriously at all They thought Pee Wee was just a small-time punk despite him being in and out of both state and federal prison for very serious crimes And ladies and gentlemen, that's the power of laughter All about is that if you were just the tiniest bit funny your life is so much easier never might be in small and cute Like now that I'm smaller and cuter I bet I could do a bunch of horrible shit and people will look the other way

I don't think that that's true. Well the things about all these stories is You know, they they were told back home They could have made their way back to Pee Wee in prison and he figured if people were already saying he was such a cruel motherfucker He might as well go all in sure on the other hand He didn't really need to because his actual murders were horrific enough. Yeah case and point is Martha Dix whom Pee Wee killed in 1971 That year Pee Wee would commit his third serious murder and his first racially motivated one Now one of the strangest things about final truth is Pee Wee's staunch denial of any allegations made towards him concerning racism But one thing we do know is that Pee Wee didn't necessarily have the most progressive views in the world concerning race

Uh, what? Yes. What? Why is this being like in case you missed that part? Uh, yeah, I just got me gasping Marcus. He was it Well in fact at least two of his later murders were said by Pee Wee himself to be racially motivated Before he told his final truth, but for some reason in final truth Pee Wee couldn't bear to be seen as a racist Now I'm writing this here journal for everybody to know and not just because My very large cellmate Onyx cobra is watching But I have never been racist nor feel any sort of racist stuff

Deep inside my body and I am most sure and this is not just to pacify Onyx cobra who has said he owns the toilet and in order for me to get to the toilet. I must pay the toll And that is the final truth Well did Pee Wee by his own admission go to a few clan rallies and meetings sure Yeah, did he favor certain positions the clan put forth about certain issues? Yes, he did people entertain ideas Right does he casually use racial slurs a page and a half after denying charges of racism? Naturally different generation locker room talk This is different generations. My goodness. But if there's anything Pee Wee said he wasn't it's a racist

Which brings us to Martha Dix a groovy black bisexual woman who sometimes went by the name of Clyde Martha likes spending her afternoons hanging around the garage where Pee Wee worked when he wasn't being a criminal And most of the guys liked having Martha around because she was brassy fearless and gave just as much shit as she got Yeah, fun I would say this is a very big phenomenon in the south where it's like, I don't know where it's these very conservative groups and then some like radically Liberal concept will just like pop up in the middle of it and everybody will just act normally towards this person They will literally accept Martha into their world because they grew up with them and they can understand where she came from And understand her background and somehow it's almost like hey if you're surrounded by different types of people

And get to know them you can like get to like them and not just kind of judge them by looking at them from far Well, this is before identity politics really took over so they didn't even know not to like this person You know Well, yeah, I mean that that's the whole thing It's about what you know widening your world view and all that and these people had that Except Pee Wee because Martha the person she gave the most shit to was Pee Wee Gaskins Probably because I'd imagine it was funny as hell to watch Pee Wee getting mad and loses temper Oh my god

Martha call him an elf again You're damn elf Pee Wee I shouldn't have worn my damn loose shoes because every time I get mad I pop out of them and everybody's laughing all the time And that's a final truth. That's why I'm wearing socks from now on them creepy socks. Hey, Martha. Ask him. Uh, how was Santa Claus doing? What you say, how is Santa Claus doing? I told her to ask you how to see You I'm spinning around in a circle and the more the guys around the garage laugh the angrier poor little snowflake Pee Wee got He's getting louder and louder

Honestly, maybe Martha we should stop because he is getting very offensively loud Just ask him one more thing. How cold is the north pole if you could just honestly in my travels I've been there and it's surprisingly warm in the summer months And uh and parts in there in the wintertime and actually get started. Oh, this was a fucking rose. It was I thought you were asking me a genuine goddamn Again a joke about your heights Well, what finally sent Pee Wee over the edge was when Martha said jokingly, of course That she was pregnant with Pee Wee's child saying she was looking forward to having her very own little Pee Wee dicks

But it's at this point that Pee Wee's racism and his homicidal nature came together For the first time all because he couldn't bear to have anyone in the community Think there was even a possibility that he might have slept with a black woman Pee Wee said he killed Martha not because she was black, but because of her quote unquote lying mouth But had Martha dicks not been black, I guarantee you Pee Wee wouldn't have given a shit about any of it And nobody would have died. All right So according to Pee Wee in final truth He lured her to his mythical tenant house with the promise of drugs and cash

And once there he got her drunk and high before he surprised her with the handcuffs He said he then killed her in This is the way he killed her was so bizarre He force fed her a soda spiked with pills causing her to overdose and die This is my question. He wrote about this in final truth. Correct. Yeah, what I think this shows I think we see an interesting psychology from him, which is very similar to other serial killers But you kind of see it played out the way that he lies to himself within his own writing in the way he in he

In concurrence with his myth building because a part of it's building this myth for other people to read the book and think things about him And for hopefully these rumors that go through and protect him in jail But there's also like how he views himself when he talks about these crimes doing this soda spike with pills It's such a ridiculous way to kill someone. It's so hard to kill someone That it's almost like it's like he said it as if to distance himself from what maybe he actually did Or he did it like saying like I did it more humanely like I did it in this sort of Weird like a roundabout way instead of saying I like choked her to death or something or it's because maybe he did feel Like friendly feelings towards her. I think he did actually say that in final truth

Or at the very least alluded to it like where you don't think he did it. He wasn't the pill in the soda death He might have it's an it's impossible to know Because after he killed her he waited her body down and let her sink into a creek that ebbed and flowed with the seasons And they didn't find martha until years and years later It was just skeletal remains when they found her Um, and they're and those skeletal remains they're believed to belong to martha dicks But no positive ID Could be made and as of today she's still considered a missing person

But you know, it's almost positive that uh, the bones they found belonged to martha dick Well, it seems strangely he would kill someone a co-worker. Yeah, everyone's gonna know she's gone missing Well, you know, she was also kind of transient, you know, she was in and out of town a lot Uh, and uh, honestly, you know, I mean it was south carolina in the 70s. She was black and they you know, they liked her He's obviously a piece of shit. I mean, I'm I'd imagine all the people like, you know, they liked her well enough But you know, if she left and uh, didn't come back. They're like, well, all right. Well, martha's gone. Whatever Yeah, the less dead that we talk about exactly very much said the less dead And that's that even goes to show you how the less dead can it can even be personal, you know

You can even know them personally and still uh, they're less dead So after telling the story of the murder of martha dicks and final truth Peewee figured it was a good time to juice himself up a bit in the badass category And this is when he told a very unconfirmed story about murdering a couple of gun runners and a deal gone bad I thought you were gonna tell me this is when he put really fancy rims on the hearse Yes, yes, I just see him doing like baby driver with the eye things and with the hearse driving through this The streets of Copenhagen like in the movie ronin where it's just like him in a trench coat like a black one Like with a like a attaché case handcuffed to him

It was a tale of high entry The lovers I met and the men I killed Uh, though they will be lost to the pages of history But my boner is as hard as it was that day And that's the final truth the final truth Well in this story, Peewee told a fast-paced tale of intrigue and betrayal That ended with him cutting down two hard as nails gun runners named eddie and birdie brown and an assault rifle quit draw Cunty wets a lot. I knew her by her name as she walked through the lobby of the four seasons hotel

And I showed her my code name The tiny sexy cobra. Oh, it's an interesting code name and she was all about it. She she was covered in puddles Are you sure about that? No, honestly, no Okay, no, it's interesting that Peewee mixes in a few Unconfirmed serious murders with the ones we know are true because he considered this a serious murder because he knew them And it's interesting that the unconfirmed murders always seem to involve people who are just a little further up the criminal ladder Yeah, see six of Peewee's 13 confirmed murders involves criminal business associates

That crossed Peewee in some way or another and we know the motivations behind those murders And let's just say the motivations behind the actual murders of criminal associates are considerably less sexy than a shipment of guns Right. Yes. Yes, it is. They're all just like burnt out cars from the 1960s Stuff they found in dumps and he's stripping them all acting like he's fucking Pablo Escobar Like the king of a criminal empire, but he's never met any of these real criminals No, right and the associates themselves were definitely not as impressive as eddy and birdie brown seemed to be And this is just another example of how Peewee wanted to be seen He knew he'd already established his reputation as someone who wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone who tried to fuck him over

But he also knew that the associates he had killed were shall we say less than impressive When it came to the caliber of their criminal clout. That is the most horrifying thing We are all victims of the like the least of us. We are all going to that's why in itania That's what also I learned Jeff Galooly and Sean. I believe it's Sean Avery not smart Very dumb and they ruined this entire woman's Olympic career and of course Nancy Kerrigan's as well But I do believe it's got something to do with it because the stupid one is the one who's going to throw the monkey wrench into the whole Zerial you got Peewee Gaskins

Who's your boss who's just as liable to kill you as work with you and then he hires even more corrupt people He's the smart one It sounds sort of like an analogy to what may be be going on in our current government Maybe any idea of someone surrounding himself with even more corrupt stupid people Dumber that are all will flip One at a time trying to get to you. Oh god. I want to mention a tweet there, but I That the huckabee tweet equating trump to That's a tradition Winston Churchill. Yeah

They are everyone is getting so much dumber. Oh, yeah, definitely definitely just a whole other thing I saw darkest hour the whole time. I was like, oh just like trump. Wow. It is just like god Well, because these people were less than impressive Peewee's got to juice himself up a little bit and speaking of juicing up Let's get back to the hearse for a second. Okay. Now. Remember during all this shit the coastal kills were still Supposedly happening But Peewee said he never took the hearse on a coastal for obvious reasons. It's a hearse. It's a hearse. Yes It's a hearse. Yeah

And they're gonna look yeah, they're looking to see if if you are in fact the Adams family Yeah, I mean if it's Gomez and Morticia inside making out speak in french, I'm not gonna tell how highway I'm not gonna tell highway patrol how to do their jobs But if there is a hearse and there is not a funeral motorcade attached to said hearse just pull it over Just just sniff around. Just see if there's any a dead cat's in there punk people purses that are drawn it's all steam punk people The only time Peewee used the hearse for the reason he jokingly told people he'd bought it for was in december of 1973 When he committed his fourth and fifth serious murders without a doubt the worst ones of them all

Doreen Dempsey was a single mother who knew Peewee through his carnival connections But she was actually closer to Peewee's wife his I think fifth one by this point. I believe But that didn't mean a goddamn thing to Peewee who'd already murdered a blood relation a few years before remember he murdered his niece Now this story is another example of Peewee switching his previous confessed motivations of racism to something else But I cannot for the life of me imagine why he thought this story was better Hey, Peewee. What are you writing right now? Nothing on it Just writing about how everyone should live together on a cloud made rainbows And that those that are unequal should be raised up to be equal but those that are above

Those that are unequal. Yeah Yeah, that's what you're writing Peewee. Yeah You try to use the toilet Peewee Yeah Prison politics prison politics There it is See Doreen Dempsey who was white had a two-year-old daughter with a black man and was pregnant again with another mixed-race child And according to what Peewee said in an interrogation following his arrest in which he was given sodium pentothal

aka truth serum Peewee said he killed Doreen for mixing the races and he killed the little girl To spare what he said was a life not worth living Yeah, that'll that'll fix it. Is it yeah, that's always normal for law enforcement to give people like uh What the russians give people to have them confess to war crimes? I mean sometimes people use sodium pentothal They just had it And they were like, you know, we've got this shit. We're like, yeah, give it to that tiny little fuck who's screaming all the time I guess so but in final truth Peewee said that was only what he wanted people to believe at the time

Oh, this is what he said about his truth serum confession The interrogating session lasted for three days They asked me every question they could think of but I had my answers ready because I had worked everything out in my mind Some of what I said was true, which made them things easier for the law to believe because they fit in with all the evidence Other stories I told like the one about Doreen and her baby Was lies that served me better and sounded logical. So it was accepted like I already explained And that's the final truth Peewee, I gotta ask now did Rudolph really light the way for Santa Claus?

We just gotta ask ourselves the question. Is it why Why was Rudy the red-nosed reindeer not involved in their society until he managed to prove his usefulness to them? Would his differentness Allow him to fit into their society when it wouldn't fit their needs Interesting interesting indeed hot takes on Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer Now that's final truth. You know the longer he goes on Peewee Gaskin sounds like a combination between Charles Madsen and detective popcorn Oh, yeah

I think character wise he is that I think like if I were to mesh those characters he would be that Oh, Peewee went on to say that if law enforcement and judges and such believed he killed a pregnant woman and her infant daughter for racial reasons They would say oh, yeah, that makes sense and still charge him with murder But wouldn't give him too much guff for it outside of that. It's almost like he thought he'd be getting out of jail Yeah, after all because it's racially motivated. I Yeah, 70s in South Carolina. I don't even think it was it wasn't that back where it wasn't no He's just dumb So Peewee's story from the non racist angle said that Doreen showed up at their house one night distraught

Saying she couldn't take life in Florence County as the mother of two mixed-race children anymore Peewee then took Doreen aside and told her he'd allow her and her kids to live in a trailer of his and charleston for free But in return she'd have to do anything you wanted sexually and she couldn't tell anybody that Peewee was taking care of her He said that she accepted and so Peewee told his wife that he was given Doreen and her two-year-old daughter A ride to the bus station so she could head to another city for a fresh start and a new life And that was the last time Doreen or her baby were ever seen alive Now that part at least the part about Peewee giving him a ride is true The rest as Peewee tells it in great detail and final truth is

Is beyond gold star territory without a doubt the worst thing I've ever read in my entire life Wow, that's saying a lot. It is. Yeah, and you know personally I'd like to forget it all together So we're not going to go into it in detail. Okay, so you don't want to rehash this Can't really it's all in the brains in his eyes. I can see them It's not going away You were texting me about four in the morning when we were first going through the episodes being like texting me little sentences From it and it's it's bad. Yeah, you know, I mean It's really bad. It reminds me it's the uh, it's the story of David Edo's story

I mean, it's that it's that level of I don't even think you'd enjoy hearing it It's much worse than David Edo And I know a few you particularly sick folks out there vocally tut tutting us right now Because we're not going to go into this thing in great detail But trust me. This is something you do not want to know Well, and this was is it accurate or was this uh, no idea. I don't know making it all up once again No, no idea. It's it's a fucked up thing to make up. Yeah. Uh, yeah Yeah, I mean really

Okay, I'll get I mean what the closest I can tell you is think of the worst scene in the movie a Serbian film And you know, which scene I'm talking about you know would see the movie is the worst scene So I can't even pick one out. Yeah, well the worst it's the worst scene We all know what the worst scene is But take that and set it in the back of a hearse next to a swamp and remember that there is a possibility That it's true. Mm that it actually happened All we really know is two years later. Doreen's body was found buried in a two foot deep grave Under a sawdust pile near Peewee's house and the baby was found stuffed in an old stump hole and covered in dirt

Um, their disappearance was never investigated mostly because once Peewee left to take her to the bus station She was finally out of everyone's hair. She was pretty much forgotten. People didn't really give much of a shit about Doreen Right And obviously this is the reason why he came up with the racism angle because he knew that if what he did Did to the kid had gotten out How would he last in prison? Yeah, he said he said if it got out He said he wouldn't last five minutes in prison before someone shanked his ass My question is I wonder if all of the things he did. I guess Peewee Gaskins is also very much in the

Realm of a killer who loves experiences and then he gets really bored almost And that he does this kind of stuff as a shock and I wonder if it's almost a shock to himself I don't know if he made the story up. He definitely killed her. So that's a process killer, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean that's if you were to take Peewee at his word He is absolutely a process killer because every time he kills someone even his uh, you know Even the ones that we know he killed he either just dumped him in the water or he Or he buried them, you know, he did after they were dead. He didn't care about him at all He wasn't like a dommer where he was looking for the product

He was all about the process and again if you are in the highway patrol, you see a hearse Just pull it over. Yeah, just pull it over. No, you can't now most of the time. It's all the way to cons They're holding all their boots and they're all of their weird Well, as far as the storytelling goes, you know Peewee going back on his racist beliefs was narratively the only way he could tell the horrific story that he did And really what makes you feel weirder common South Carolina 70s racism or baby fucking baby fucking That's my I mean A little quick to answer on that one

This is a satirical show and now I have to say dark humor That is what we do here giving you entertainment through dark humor. Well, it's dark humor, but it is it's it's very true You know, that's what he chose. Yeah, which one of those two things Which one of those two things are is going to make peewee sound like uh more sympathetic No, the meanest baddest motherfucker to ever exist and that's what peewee wanted. That's the whole point of final truths Was okay. Yes. So by this time in his life peewee was the head of a fairly successful car theft ring As Henry said earlier He'd have his boys head over to the north side of charleston steal cars then bring him back to peewee for stripping and resell

Of course. Yeah, but this isn't like gone in 60 seconds. No, this is like gone in 72 minutes Where it's just them just struggling me a lot. They make these locks bigger and dicker Every year And I and pee was like god damn it. I gotta tell you Johnny You're just you're robbing older cars You're not robbing newer cars I just feel like oh peewee. You're smarter than me. So you just tell me where to Just steal a tv and bring it back

It's like if the beagle boys were real humans Remember the beagle boys there was yeah from duck tails, of course Of course in a business like this the people you're going to be dealing with aren't going to be exactly honest or particularly intelligent And pretty soon peewee ran in some trouble with a couple of his cohorts. Jesse Ruth Trudy and Johnny Sellers. Jesse Ruth Trudy That's a woman. That's a woman. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, Jesse. Jesse Ruth Trudy. That's a tough one to roll off the tongue there Really Jesse Ruth Trudy. I actually like it Jesse Ruth Trudy. Jesse Ruth Trudy Now the official police line here is that the whole thing was either a murder for higher affair or a favor for a buddy They said Jesse Trudy's ex-husband James Judy paid peewee to kill Jesse Trudy and Johnny Sellers because Johnny Sellers has stolen James Judy's wife

Jesse Trudy. Okay. Now say it again with marbles in your mouth. $10,000 So Jesse Trudy's Jesse Trudy's ex-husband James Judy paid peewee to kill Jesse Trudy and Johnny Sellers Because Johnny Sellers had stole James Judy's wife Jesse Trudy. I just is this like a common core math question? I don't know the answer. Okay. Well, maybe this will clear it up Johnny Sellers had lived with Jesse Trudy and James Judy But James Judy had picked up a bad drug habit which caused Trudy to leave Judy and run into the arms of Johnny Oh

I see technically Technically it's the story of the room. Yeah, that is the plot of the room. Hi Mark. Oh, hi Mark Also, it is uh, it's just South Carolina's version of dynasty. I see so Peewee Gaskins walked into the scenario as the smoky cute little assassin I don't know if that's true And the tensions were raised even higher because Judy and Johnny both worked with peewee and about Judy and Johnny's relationship peewee said quote Them two didn't see balls of balls about nothing. I'm sorry. What was that? Oh, you never heard that old type of term. No, you and a friend are so close in alignment on opinion

Yeah, that's your balls Cut each other. I don't like it. No, I haven't heard that Like balloons mashed together in a closet while you're sitting in there just rubbing your dick and your balls all over them balloons And you love the erotic squeaky noises they make when you rub your balls all over the The luscious thick filled with air balloon Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, so what do you do on December 24th through the 25th? Do you help anybody else? Well, honestly, sometimes I'll volunteer over at the soup kitchen That's a joke it's a reference to an elf for Santa Claus who delivers gifts on the 24th or the 25th depends on who on what you want really

Well, even though peewee made sure to mention two guys didn't see balls to balls about nothing And peewee said jealousy wasn't the reason behind the murders and James Judy had nothing to do with it Because eventually James Judy went down for this murder He got 10 years Because police believe that he had hired hired peewee uh to commit the murder But peewee says the reason why he murdered Trudy and Johnny was because Johnny had sold a bunch of car parts for peewee And hadn't passed along the money did the prosecutors say that uh, was it Judy that committed? Yeah, James Judy was the one that hired the higher peewee to kill Johnny and Trudy

Did the prosecutor let the jury know that Judy and peewee were seen ball to ball? Because that's crucial if the jury knows they're seeing balls to balls That's illegally binding South Carolina contracts So in other words peewee got impatient on a debt like I said not that sexy It's nowhere near as sexy as gun runners and all that bullshit. It's just car parts and debts And the way peewee killed him is to just leave Johnny into the woods with the promise of a big burglary score Then he shot Johnny in the head once Johnny figured out what was happening and tried running away And then peewee went back picked up Jesse brought her out to the same spot told her what he'd done and stabbed her to death

Okay, and that's the that's another interesting thing about it. Is that they're very fast quick simple murders and it's business Yeah, it's it's all business all of this has got to do with them Fucking him over because he keeps hiring more stupid corrupt people to work for him Right, and that's why the murder of the baby and what he did in feeding other force feeding other woman pills And soda is stuff that really makes no sense Everything else is because he is small It is difficult for him to overpower somebody unless it's by fucking surprise Like he did to the power man and got him on the toilet like that's like that's how a small man operates

You hide under things One of their powers yeah, so in his mind he's like Joe Pesci from good fellows or something But in reality it's much dumber than that a lot dumber than that Well after he killed him he buried him in the same spot Making Jesse Trudy and Johnny Sellers the first two Denizens of peewee's actual private graveyard Which would be the resting place of four more bodies before it was all said and done And of course there were still the coastals peewee said he was still killing at the rate of at least once a month

Sometimes multiple people at once like the two boys. He said he castrated and force fed their own testicles Two before sealing up the wounds with molten plum bum That did I happen but what I will think is interesting is that that is a way that the mob kills people for snitching So it sounds like a thing that he had heard from the wise men I don't know is that's the way that the mob kills people yeah for snitching really you snitch and they They whack you and then they cut off your dick and balls and they put it in your mouth Is that right? Yeah, the cartel is true. No kidding. Well, yeah, look at that. You better watch it. I'm not gonna I'm not doing anything. I'm not saying anything about the mob. No, I'm not I

You know something about your mob. You want to talk about it on the podcast? No, I don't know anything about the Graham avenue No, I don't know. I love things That's like that documentary the war though What's that when the guy talks about coming upon their soldiers and they hold their testicles in their mouths And then the guy very gravely looks at the camera and is like we didn't take any prisoners after that Yeah, because I don't anger you Yeah, absolutely Markets or Henry if someone kills you and puts your balls in your mouth and you guys are literally seeing ball to ball

But I will I will aggressively hunt them down. Thank you. Yes, because that's rude. I probably you better do that I will I will do it But this whole thing about the coastals and the graveyard it begs the question If pee we was killing on the coast and transporting the body's inland to catch-up town and such And keeping these bodies so well-hidden that none of them were were ever found Why wouldn't pee we transport bodies the other way towards the coast as well? All the places he said he dumped coastal bodies were at about the halfway point between the coast and the area Where he bounced around and yet the ones he could be personally connected to the serious murders

Were buried damn near in his own backyard. Hmm, which is also common for serial killers The idea of having just a very small hunting ground in a small area where you do shit, right? I think the coastal bodies are probably full of shit I don't think he did hardly any of those coastal murders if any at all, right, right? And speaking of serious murders pee we was about to start making actual money with those with the murder for hire of Silas Yates So pee we's favorite hangout was sam's club. Oh, I remember when we got a sam's club When we got the membership of sam's club my mother made it seem like it was very difficult to get

And then we walked in there and just my family my mom carries it around in a little lanyard Yeah, yeah, and she's like not everyone gets to come to see i'm's club. Yeah, and then I was like, I'll have the mayonnaise He said about that quote Sam's club was my favorite club of all. I was a regular there Everybody knowed me when you walk around. I didn't even have to pretend to be somebody else to get a second round of samples And if I wanted to just pop a nap I fit completely upon one of them 48 toilet paper palettes filled with the ultra soft shaman You don't want where the bears

Wipe their shit off of each other all around that commercial. I've seen those commercials. Yeah Well, you two are kind of confused right now Just as I was because it's pretty far into the silas yates chapter that pee we specifies that sam's club was in fact a bar And not The chain of membership only retail warehouses owned by walmart Oh, man, you can get trampolines and lawn mowers all the frozen meatballs you ever wanted You can get nine pounds of oatmeal. Oh, why would you need nine pounds of peanut butter? Yeah It's great over there in no way was that one of the issues when it came to overeating as a child

When my mother said you've got to eat all the mayonnaise before it goes bad and I would say I got you there Yeah, yeah, I will admit that I pictured the setup for this whole murder for a higher situation Take taken place in a sam's club for quite a few pages But in order to avoid confusion know that when we say sam's club we're talking about a bar So in early 1975 peewee's last year of freedom He was hanging out at sam's club when he was approached by a man He knew from prison named john william powell

Powell said a friend of his was looking to get some revenge on a former lover And powell figured peewee was just the man for the job The client was susan kipper an attractive blonde who had been involved with a married wealthy landowner named silas yates Now a fan on twitter tipped me off about susan kipper's family tree Seems her nephew used to refer to her as ant monkey And who should that nephew be? But rob thomas of matchbox 20 Whoa, just like the ocean

Oh my god matchbox 20 really one of the better bands to come out of that horrible time for music Matchbox 20 third eye blind third eye blind versus matchbox 20 I blind every day of the week every day of the every day of the week. I fucking despise matchbox 20 Honestly, if there was a license to listen to music, I would have yours So there isn't a license for that is there and rob tom that was he was good matchbox 20 It's fun. I think you should take the blazer off because I think it's getting to you matchbox 20 is not good Especially in horsey in the context of the music of the time There is so much better music in that time. I'm just simply comparing them to third eye blind

Well, if you're gonna compare them to life house, why are they better than life house? I hate life house. Yes, they're better than life house. They're the same band as life house Well, you tell aunt monkey that Weird that he would say that so let's get back to the murder here Things have been pretty hot and heavy between yates and kipper for a while with yates selling off a bunch of property Just to buy kipper gifts such as a trailer and a brand new sports car But after things cooled off and yates presumably realized when an idiot he was being he called the whole thing off and tried Taking some of the bigger gifts back and this didn't sit well with aunt monkey. Well, they get accustomed to a lifestyle

She decided the only way she was going to keep her new trailer and sports car was for sylas yates to die Uh-oh, so she offered pee we a thousand dollars to kill her ex sugar daddy And after pee we negotiated from a thousand up to fifteen hundred He came up with a plan. I'll give you a thousand dollars to kill my ex lover I'll do it for seven hundred You want it for seven? I'm giving you a thousand for it. Um, I'll do it for seven hundred I'll do it for six forty five. No, that's you're going wrong. You want to go up? I'm just trying to help you out here pee We I'll do it for two million dollars

A little high. What if we compromise at fifteen hundred? All right He's good at this Well, this was pee we's plan first he called a woman named diane neely Diane was the ex-wife of another one of pee we's prison buddies walter neely Who's going to play a huge role in this story later on? So these people keep hiring pee we gaskins as this silent Assassin that will carry out their bad deeds in the shadows, but his Tactics every time is just to tell a bunch of people about what he's doing

It's not like they're getting jason statham on a job here. This is a much different situation. Well, I mean even then He didn't get caught for a long time. This is ridiculous. It was working out pretty good for him It is astonishing to me. Everything tells every everyone knows this guy is a serial killer No, well, not really. I mean because he's not a serious. He's joking. He's telling the truth They think he they think he's joking and really like very few people do know about these murders Yeah, I mean, you know, that's true. Yeah, very few people. Yeah, very few people know about these murders and we're about to get into why He was fine with telling a few people about the murders

Diane's job was to be the bait to get Silas Yates out of his trailer and on the night in question Diane went up to Yates's trailer knocked on the door and told him she was having car trouble Hey, excuse me. I have a flat also My boobies fell out. Yeah, I I noticed the boobies are out, uh, but your car looks totally fine to me. Yeah You know, if you touch my elbows, I come I don't uh, don't care to come get them Oh, wow, catch me. I'm a little birdie. That's a little birdie. I'm gonna shut the door

I'm just gonna shut this but when Yates got outside Pee Wee sprung out from behind the car and pointed a gun in his face That gun was Pee Wee's trusty Beretta, which he had no shit carved his name on to both sides with an electric pencil It is completely true. It looks like a scene out of a christmas story If you look up Pee Wee Gaskin's Beretta, it has Pee Wee He just carved into the side of it like a fucking asshole. Not just Pee Wee, but Pee Wee Gaskin's his full name He carved on his murder weapon. That's brilliant. That's just that's so genius It is literally what the it's the equivalent of people filming their murders or their crimes now on instagram That is what it is. The best part about this is that I won't get it mixed up when we do the gun mix up

So Pee Wee told Silas that if he didn't do what he said Pee Wee would quote blow him a new nostril So Silas did what he was told and got into the trunk Pee Wee's car Pee Wee then met up with his contacts the people that had put him in touch with susan kipper He took Silas out of the trunk pulled out the aforementioned 11 inch knife Which Pee Wee took to calling his toothpick and rammed it through Yates chest over and over until Yates was dead brutal Pee Wee said he then made the other two men bury Yates as he was only paid for killing and killing was all he was gonna do Do you think he pointed to a contract and was like you'll note? At no point does it say I have to bury anything. I will not dress as an elf

I will not perform for a friend your Christmas party. I'm exing these items out. I need to get a lawyer Look good at these damn contracts. It'll read the final print. Yeah, that's the final print One of those things about Pee Wee. He lying item vetoes a lot of the elf content and all of our murder contracts with it So Yates was buried the job was done and the three men went their separate ways Now Pee Wee said that after he killed Yates, he tracked down susan kipper aka Aunt monkey. He said pretty soon They started a sexual relationship Pee Wee made damn sure to say as many times as he could how good looking Aunt monkey was

He's proud of his he's proud of his lady. I guess so and Pee Wee said this about their sexual relationship Even when she was relaxed with me even when we was laughing together. I could feel her fear She was the one who told me that whenever I come she felt and smelled and tasted violence and death in it It's not just because I would eat a whole cigarette for dinner and that's not just because That's all I had was chicken tenders and Gatorade. That is uh the last thing I want to think about I would literally rather think about grandpa from Texas chainsaw massacre having a sexual relationship. That is Oh, no, I could find no evidence whatsoever that these two had any relationship outside of her hiring him

To murder her ex-boyfriend a crime for which she did end up going to jail for as well A lot of people went down around Pee Wee Gaskins when he got caught But most likely this whole thing is just another one of Pee Wee's yarns created for final truth All right, but we've got just a few more yarns to go This we'll get to in the conclusion of Pee Wee Gaskins in episode two ninety nine point seven five Whoa two ninety nine point seven five We have a very big show planned for episode three hundred. So we're waiting Um, and this ended up just being a uh this show

Had a lot more information than we wanted it to so it's like it's either one episode of an hour and 45 minutes But I think it's better to split it up. So you get one more week there It is of Pee Wee Gaskins. Yeah, and then you're gonna see what surprises we have It is also fun because he's a short guy. So he gets a little short episode. Yeah, he gets to that Well, I mean this episode was still an hour long. No, I know I'm just saying he's got a point five and a point seven five Do you know what they give this more room to do? Uh-oh

Shocker Henry Zabrowski pulling out the shocker the stun gun that he got Jackie Zabrowski for Christmas Why do you want to get your sister arrested? I don't want to get arrested you can legally have them here and it's for her to protect herself or to aggressively pursue people Yes Well, I was I was vetoed uh, no, I wasn't allowed to have a get a stun baton for the house I want to get the cattle prods sounds fun. You can't have him here in the city a stun baton like in demolition man Yeah, like in uh in shape of water. Oh the future is now future is here. We're here. Yeah, eat taco bell and get a stun gun

That's what that's what I learned. Well. Thanks everyone for listening. We hope you had a great holiday. Yeah, uh, and it was fine Well, I was I was asking the audience Henry. I would and then you we had a nice time Me and me and my localized family had a very nice time This is probably the closest I've had to feeling what I would say a drip of Christmas cheer I've never had it before. You harden Henry Zabrowski Well, my brother killed a deer like he usually does on Christmas. Oh good. He had something to eat for the family The blood bucket was full. Oh That's because you got to hang it upside because they got this whole apparatus that they attached the feet to and then you

Slit its throat and all the blood comes down in the blood bucket And you got to keep the dogs away from it because they'll try to drink it and it's not going to be good And it didn't traumatize you when you saw that as a child at all. No, it did not traumatize Do you make anything with the blood? No, with the blood would you don't do anything like a little blood sausage or anything like that? No, no, no, no It's a deer. It's mostly it's it is sausage But a lot of my brother's trying out a deer jerky for the first time. So he's gonna send some Yeah, well, I want some. Well, you got to come to new york. I'm not gonna mail it to you

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Yeah, they get they can be negative, but I'm not gonna hurt it. You're not gonna hurt I'm not gonna hurt it. Look at that marcus parks making a stance taking a stance Okay, oh and by the way, I watched uh, I watched no less than six hallmark christmas movies over the last five days Uh, and if you want to hear me talk about those you can listen to uh page seven because I know uh Uh, my co-host Jackie Zabrowski is also a big fan of the hallmark christmas movie Also, I'm gonna severely divide our audience right now and say the last jedi is the best star wars movie to maybe come out Okay, I'm pretty certain that that is I'm pretty certain. That's the best one after empire empire is strikes back I like the one with jar jars. Yeah, I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put it more around like number four

You know the too many jokes they had to make that they had to make the porgs because that the island had a bunch of Puffins. Yeah, they had too many puffins. So they're like, what are we gonna do? They're like invent the porg The porgs. Yeah, well, I thought the dogs were funny. I love the porgs I didn't see you but all I'm saying, you know too many jokes in movies these days Jokes are I will say that's wrong too many jokes. It's the same same thing with thaw ragnarok too many jokes Because you gotta see that's the thing is that the joke comes after the moment of it comes after the tension to break the tension If you put the joke in the middle of the tension it ruins the whole scene it runs everything Come on. Let the jokes be bad storylines like the fin storyline needed to go

There's a couple stories of that. We're just like we're just garbage in it, but I'm just saying in terms of the world of So I have thought more about star wars since seeing that movie and now I'm rewatching all of the old films And they're want to saying that it's deviating from the old films. They're completely wrong because they're actually taking Stuff directly from new hope and empires backs back. You know what that's the thing if you can just hyperspace Uh a ship into a gigantic another gigantic ship and destroy it Why don't you just hyperspace a big-ass thing into the death star? That's fine. You don't have to do all that shit No you fucking idiot. You don't understand that was a very that was it. That was a great scene. That was a great scene I will not I will fight you. We've got a lot of nerd alert. There's a lot of nerd alert. There's just a heavy there

There's a lot of plot of plot holes. All right. There's a lot of plot holes Okay, again jar jar banks is the greatest character of all time. Hail yourselves. See itanya honestly see itanya. It is so good I will I will see that inhale game I'm because deletions. Hail me. We'll be back with 2.75 and then we're gonna have a big-ass 300 Oh, I almost forgot. Uh-oh one more thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, actually two more things Uh the cow men. Oh, we just released a brand new e.p. Awesome. Yeah, we just released a brand new e.p Just search us on spotify. I fucking love it We're also going to be doing an e.p. Release party at saint vitus in green point on january 13th

It's a saturday. It's gonna be a fucking awesome time. Nice. Uh, and so we figured, you know here on this episode We do a uh world-wide debut of uh one of the new cowmen tracks So here it is and this is available on spotify and bandcamp shovel Shovel by the cowmen. Oh shovel by the cow. Wow Wow Yeah Let's do this.

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