Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 305: The Hudson Valley Sightings

Episode Date: February 24, 2018

​In our return to aliens, we cover one of the most well-documented UFO sightings in history, in which thousands of people (seriously) saw gigantic boomerang-shaped objects above the sky in upstate New York in the early eighties. 

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started I um feel so I feel so I the term I'm gonna use is jazzed Wow I Feel energized. I feel like I'm not alone. Yeah, I've just been nothing but aliens for me For the past like nine days. Yeah, this is my sweet spot. This is where I'm happy as you actually look younger I am I'm covered in creams. Ah, also, you know what I did is a little break for myself during aliens I went back to the Jonestown Institute website and started listening to a bunch of those audio clips again I don't know why I did that. No idea. Welcome to the last podcast on the left of her when I am Ben Kissel with Marcus Parks

Yeah, and we got Henry Zabrowski over there in Los Angeles. This is my new LA studio Yes, I mean it's I'm in a studio apartment and the other people when I when I rented this place They I didn't tell them it was gonna be a podcast studio, right? And so my neighbors are gonna be very surprised and maybe upset. Oh, we're hearing what comes out of here Horrified of the new neighbor next door. We also were still working on that new studio in Los Angeles So you might notice a little echo, but I assure you it will be all fixed up by next week So don't stress out. Just do what I told Marcus and imagine it's already fixed It's already been fixed

Absolutely, so Henry mentioned aliens up top, but that's what we're talking about today. Thank God. It's not Jonestown part six We are on to the which was an amazing series by the way And thank you for all of the unbelievable responses to that series. We've got read through some folks A&E has reached out. They want they want your brain Marcus. They do. Yes, they love your mind Oh, no one told me about this. Hmm nevermind All right today, we're gonna focus on the Hudson Valley sightings. This is a big one ladies and gentlemen This is one of those when in terms of the World of UFOs it is underreported for some reason, but we're what we're gonna go into today is one of the most well-documented

Series of sightings that have happened in the modern time. I mean, this is modern times Well, I like about this. This is not the 1950s So the main Hudson Valley sightings cover a period of about two years from New Year's Eve 1982 until Halloween 1985 mostly in upstate New York, but also in Connecticut just a short drive away right here in New York City Oh, I thought you were gonna say the wwe headquarters No, no never then but depeche mode is pumping through the radio. I already feel it I'm back there man I'm like I got a denim jacket on and I do have a denim jacket now and then my hair is thicker then because I was

One years old. Yep. Yep. I'm thinking about walking 5,000 miles to meet somebody because I don't have a car Which is probably why she doesn't like me Oh, it's estimated that in those two years up to 5,000 people Witness the aerial phenom sometimes known as the westchester boomerang Also sounds like the worst professional wrestler of all time who immediately broke his neck I think the westchester boomerang sounds like a good name for burrito served one of those like shitty little strip malls Because like because it keeps coming back No worry. It'll come back

But uh and my grandparents lived in westchester, huh? So it's my horrible grandmother was a vampire lived in westchester And so this all this shit happened in our lives Which is like one thing that's very interesting about the hudson valley sightings is that's an hour north of new york city Okay Now in contrast to terrifying UFO stories like communion or fire in the sky the hudson valley sightings are closer To close encounters of the third kind Which is the reference point used again and again when describing the craft scene It this is this is the kind one. This is a kind

Series of UFO sightings one point of that I think this episode is a part of what what I like to do sometimes is really sit back Just stone as all fuck because now what I do is I got cbd cream And I rub cbd cream like all over my back of my chest. What's cbd cream. It's the shit. It's the it's the Oh, it's the it's god's love. They put in a weed It's god's love in it and you put it all over it makes your whole body numb I eat a couple of edibles and then I smoke a fucking bowl, right? And I got this super powerful indica

I got from our new shop because it was super recreational. Fuck. Yeah, you piece of shit And I sit back and I roll back in my mind and I imagine These gigantic UFOs coming over. It's fucking awesome. It expand your consciousness. You pieces Well, and that's the difference of when you're going and studying to become a moof on agent versus when you're studying to become a doctor You actually have to be sober for one of those and it's certainly not the former Well, the thousands of people who saw this craft and the hundreds who spoke about it Said a slow moving football field sized object moved slowly across the night sky flashing lights On multiple occasions

Cool one witness said it was so big it looked as if it was a floating city six stories high He may have been the only person to use that simile, but hundreds more testified to that size. Wow He was in a creative writing class Yeah, but it's true. The what worked these sightings are on spiring the people who saw them a lot of times their lives were changed They saw these things and it really popped their their worldview open And but the thing is it's very under reported Mainly because we're gonna see it's because of the way it was handled in the years after the sightings That it discredited a lot what people were talking about

But at the time thousands of people came out and said that could imagine that's take a football field Put it up in the sky and imagine this fucking gigantic what they said at the time It looked like a boomerang of lights But then there was a giant black amorphous shape that just blocked out the stars All around it just like flew it up there and that's gonna be like what? What the fuck? Is it possible? It wasn't a football field, but in fact a basketball court and the monstars were playing Is that possible?

That is the only monstars reference. You're allowed to make all right. I took it and I got it Now the reason why the number of sightings are so numerous is because the sighting area covered 1,400 square miles from westchester to new Haven, Connecticut Not surprisingly this group phenomenon was at first completely ignored by the mainstream media flush Lame stream media doesn't understand what grips people were the aliens like we must check out the khaki douchebags of america I mean that is like the worst. I don't want to die. I'm not trying to stereotype. There's a lot of wonderful people there Brewster is amazing. Brewster is the paris of america Nor was this taken seriously by the scientific community

Much to the chagrin of the two ufo investigators who went all in on the hudson valley sightings Dr. J. Allen hynick and phil in brogue. No co-authors of the book about the sightings night siege If you are ufo enthusiast i'm gonna use the term enthusiast Night siege belongs on your bookshelf. It is a seminal Of paranormal investigation J. Allen hynick put his whole dick and balls in this thing It is thick and it is boring as it should be it should be boring

Because that's what hynick wanted it to be and it does feel like many of the same story again and again And you see the lights come over the hills and all this kind of shit But at the same time if you're high enough, it's like a new story every time It also sounds like a book that somebody might read thinking it could be about adolf hitler's rise to power And then when they get to the seminar that they're supposed to speak at they get it all wrong Just also understand this is one of several other books because there's night siege. There's night invasion. There's silent invasion There's silent night. These are all ufo books That all sort of say this idea because it wasn't really a siege. No, it was a meander. It was the ufos have meander

They are rolling out of their jogging pants to come see everyone and and essentially moon them It sounds like steven segal films both thin and fat steven segal Now let's give a little information on our main two guys here. First. There's dr J. Allen hynick that this guy was the real deal Yes, he was love this fucking guy. Yeah, he was a well-respected soft-spoken Astrophysicist had a phd and everything he worked on project sign project grudge and most famously Project blue book these were the three biggest official government ufo investigations until blue book was shut down in 1968 Wow, but hynick continued in an unofficial capacity to examine the heavens as before

Hynick worked with a cia kissle. You get that fucking smile off your face Usually when they say unofficial capacity, he keeps on showing up to work And they're like you were fired eight years ago. You have to retire That's a really curious scientist. That's a real person that really is interested in the subject Hynick was the guy hynick worked with all of the spooks He was the one whose job essentially when they find when they formed project sign They wanted a guy that would definitely debunk everything. So they called on hynick hynick at the time Was the least groovy person to sport a van dyke. He's he has a full van dyke

Which also at the same time, you know, he's good at eating pussy, but he can't get hard But he's a very but he's very smart And he he started working with them the idea that he was supposed to Shut down all of these sightings and you supposed to give credence to the shutdown And part of it because then they could cover their asses and say, okay, no, we did our due diligence We had a scientist on board and then hynick over time over many years of discovery He got turned which is to me the most telling sign because basically what he said he's like, yes 80 percent of Unidentified flying objects are technically ifos identified flying objects

Misidentified and he knows that but he's like the always the problem will be is that 20 percent Yeah, and that was one of his problems with project blue book and actually the problems that a lot of people had with project blue book Was there were a lot of sightings that they just didn't address that they just said like we don't know what it is But we know they're not ufo's right and hynick was super against they was super pissed off about that But hynick he was a man that was unfortunately destined to be misunderstood Really? stunning revelations Even though he believed wholeheartedly in ufo phenomena

Henry said he was still a skeptic and it took decades for him to be convinced that ufo's existed He never fudged facts and he always went with the evidence And in fact it was dr. Hynick who first used swamp gas as an explanation for ufo's He did technically try to pitch to hersey chocolate a thing called fact fudges Which is supposed to be it's supposed to be little pieces of fudges with trivia wrapped around them and they said get out of here you fucking nerd Oh, man, that would be good. So he's somewhere between art bell and neil de grass Tyson. Oh That's not a bad way to describe him. Hey, all right, except he's not as insufferable as neil neil de grass. I know what is well I get it. You're smart

But no hynick was the one he came up with fucking swamp gas and his term would basically what he said was the the the swamp gas Just to sum up is a concept that like the swamp farts I guess true that because plants decompose and shit and frogs fart. I'm just Are you sure you're not just one nail down? Listen But the swamp bubbles come up and they ignite that's so those are fart. Those are frog farts Yes, it's like a frat. It's like imagine if the top of a swamp was a big old fraternity and It's when farts were farts were getting lit on fire by friction

Our next speaker is uh, Henry Zabrowski. He's going to But the swamp gas would ignite and then what he said is that it would be Pockets of it would ignite in a row and it would look like a moving object from far away And so he used that as the default like this is how we're going to explain away a bunch of UFO sightings And after a while, I mean he was being pressured to do this And according to hynick the reason why he was being pressured to do this was specifically by the CIA And what he said is that at the time It's interesting because nowadays we view the reason why that they didn't do they don't do disclosure about UFOs is because they're afraid of

Are the population's reaction to the truth about UFOs? But the CIA was actually more concerned that the UFO craze would be hijacked by the communists In the in the in the 50s and that they would use that as a way to destabilize America Which is if you believe that area 51 book is what happened It was a bunch of mentally handicapped people with plastic surgery were sent over by Stalin and that sort of crashed into roswell And I don't know if that's true either. Yeah, there's a good dock on area 51 on netflix right now Yeah, and for more on the mentally challenged people crashing in roswell be sure to go listen to our roswell series Now the swamp gas thing specifically

Was created by alan hynick not necessarily created by hypothesized by uh, alan hynick During a mass sighting of ufo's in michigan Now what hynick said was that a portion of the people who claimed to have seen ufo's in that incident had just seen swamp gas The rest of the people had credibly seen a ufo Unfortunately for hynick the media seized on the term swamp gas probably because it's kind of funny right and to this day Over 50 years later people still use swamp gas as a way to derisively dismiss ufo sightings Well, do we know what the frogs were eating? Were they eating gassy foods?

I don't know jacky meets a mushroom and barley soup last night. I have been like a fucking squeeze toy I'm like a cartoon fart machine um hynick was a fucking like Full on nerd for a long time, but he got into some psychedelic shit. Yeah, all right Yeah, this guy was a proponent of the possibility that these visitors were not only coming from other planets But also more likely from other dimensions Yeah Yes, it's different. Yeah, we've talked about this before

The planet outside the planet. Yeah, now he had a theory about something called M&M technology Now, Henry, what is M&M technology? That'll melt it But seriously, it's called mental it's it's called mental and machine technology. There is a book Yeah, I'm gonna you you better be fucking ready for this because I don't want to hear any guff about this from anyone There's a book called the edge of reality by dr. J. Allen hynick and my favorite Jacques valet And in this book it breaks down what M&M tech M&M technology is right and I read this last night and I fucking blew my mind and one thing that it talked about was

So we've already talked about so he uses the book flatland explains dimensions By the way, you can't just remind yourself He is covered not only in the inside but the outside of with weed He is a a weed dog could become a human being It is the closest thing It's like that movie scary movie when the weed becomes real and destroys damon one of the way ins That is you know, it's like the mood It's like the show the low files with rob low and his sons and they go and they try to meet aliens and ghost and shit

And they get a shaman a guy named shaman joe that comes and helps them You got to get up to the vibration of the aliens and a part of it slathering yourself with numbing cream But the book that it's called so the edge of reality Breaks down the most psychedelic view of aliens, which is what they believe is the actual truth as that it's somewhere between A psychic and physical phenomenon, which is what I've been shouting about for years But what this says is so like in the movie flatland, right? Everything's flat shapes, but the triangles are in charge But then a sphere shows up and they don't see they don't know what it is

They just see a dot and then all of a sudden it passes through them tick it up a notch, right third dimension We're the spheres something passes fear shows up It's fucking walks through your dick and balls. Well as you're walking on a street kiss only you don't even know You're watching you they're thinking about taking you, but their sperm is all filled with alcohol Yeah, good for their hybrid program. That's good. That's a protector. Yeah, but the M&M technology goes on to say that the reason why It's not just that they're interdimensional beings with interdimensional crafts and they show up Is that imagine aliens are either another dimension or on another planet physically and then they psychically project ships and shit

from their place to us So we're actually getting abducted and we see psychic projections Of the aliens. We're only 15 minutes in Yeah, it's just television Kind of you're kind of getting it. I'm kind of getting it. He doesn't he describes it as television Yeah, you're kind of getting it. So I completely misunderstood what M&M theory is all about No, dude, it's it's explained in the edge of reality The other nation is it's confusion. No, you think about something cool

Imagine if you could just send me a pizza with your mind because you think it'd be kind of cool And you sent you thought about it and all of a sudden a pizza appeared before me and then just so happened That the pizza started extracting come from me to make pizza babies. That's what we're talking about That's a strange way to make a pie Well, high nick was also the creator of the close encounter scale And he was an advisor on close encounters of the third kind And of course bill cooper thought that this made high nick a shell Uh-oh, but we're not gonna get into that. We covered bill cooper though

Yeah, we covered bill cooper and what he thinks about the people who were advisors on movies like close encounters of the third kind So that's high nick His co-author on night siege. However, phil and brogno was something different All together. Hmm. He physically resembled a mustachless mario brothers mario mario That's good. He probably has to plumb He's probably he's probably gonna de plumb the toilet. What do you call it? If you plumb a toilet? I think you plumb a toilet Yeah, plumb a toilet

By the way, uh, full disclosure here I officially broke my toilet seat yesterday I was just sitting on it that toilet seat that toilet seat seen a lot of big asses over the years It's just correct underneath me and as if you couldn't get any sadder You know, it's like one of those scenes where it's like what else could happen the kids are lost my job And then the toilet seat breaks Okay, so if you could give your shame a color, what would your color shame be? Oh, just like a

purple mixed with a green Just an overall something you don't want to look at or taste kind of like when you're finger painting and you accidentally get all The watercolors mixed together every time I finger painted it just turned into a black hole Yes, it's like I'm a child from the ring. I thought it sounded more like a like a bruise from a father Yeah, kind of No, well, hynic was a soft-spoken astrophysics professor at northwestern with truly groundbreaking theories on extra and ultra terrestrial Intelligence and Brogno was more of a yeah me too type of guy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You see UFOs. Yeah me too Yeah, it's what I do all day long. I do is look at UFOs and I uh write down the uh signs of it. Yeah

Yeah, I'm a doctor. I got one of the reflective little things on my head. Yeah. Yeah. It's what I've been. Yeah me too I'm with you. Yeah, you me buddy Hynek must have been driven insane by this fucking guy No, and brogno said he had degrees from the university of texas and mit particularly a phd and theoretical chemistry from the ladder Okay, and that was in addition to him being a hard bit in vietnam vet. All right None of it was true. Ah, it was it is bad And it is bad for hynix record and he wrote this thing but phil and brogno was in deep He was trying to get deep into the ufo community, but a part of it shoots

Like if you hear him talk, you could just see it on him. It's this whole being like Do a theoretical chemistry of time never go up to a burger king You get that you get all that the soda from the soda machine you mix it all up You get one big crazy soda. I like when we can't tell the differences between all the soda in it. No ice I like it hot I believe him And brogno was much more concerned with the high strangeness than the scientific studies A high strangeness is a somewhat technical term in paranormal studies that defines incidents that usually occur between two and four

am involving the appearance of creatures odd sounds electromagnetism and hallucinatory Experiences achieved without the use of drugs. Okay high in life, bro No, I was sitting in bed the other night. So as invariably happens every single time I am deep in the middle of an alien episode. I have very intense abduction nightmares And so I was sitting I was in bed and I snapped awake and it's 245 And I had just read a whole thing about high strangeness from being from 2 to 4 am I look over at the clock. It's 245. I'm there

But I'd also just read this this abduction account where a guy was talking about how he was asleep in bed And he looked a lady was in bed and she looked over at her husband And she she felt there were presence in the room But the husband was asleep But he had this snarled look of pure fright on his face and his eyes were completely open But he was asleep and now he was in the bed facing away from me And I didn't want to wake her up because I felt like there was something in the room I think because I was how much cream I was covered in yeah

And I didn't want to wake her up because I was so afraid that if I pulled her over she'd have that Like a look on her face and then aliens would be there and then what is the fuck am I gonna do? Not do this episode. That's for sure very traumatized Like that youtube short there's a great youtube short with a scary woman in bed. Remember that? Yeah lights out. They made a whole movie out of it. They did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not good. Not good. Not good Yeah, don't gotta expand it. Yeah, well that shit that Henry was just talking about was precisely the type of thing that Dr Heineck wanted to avoid oh He believed that it was already hard enough to get people to take UFO studies seriously without muddling the whole thing up

With reptilians and grays and mothmen and all that bullshit unfortunately though Embrogno's bullshit in both his high strangeness claims and especially his fake credentials which were Absolutely revealed both of those things have worked to discredit the Hudson Valley sightings as well as sully the good name of one Of the most credible of all UFO investigators. Dr. J. Allen Heineck Didn't broke in Brognos and broke just in Brogno in Brogno Did he wear lanyards that said what he would all of his credentials were at all times? No, but he primarily wore starter jackets Oh good

Now, I don't know exactly how these two got together, but I think it's because Heineck was the founder of the center for UFO studies in Chicago aka kufos Stop laughing. Stop snickering. It sounds like a horrible diet food And in Brogno happened to be a rather active and enthusiastic member of the upstate new york chapter where the Hudson valley sightings happened And in Brogno was just fine while Heineck was still alive to temper him Well, Heineck was still around to go Let's not talk about all that yet. Chill out a little bit But as we'll see even after death your good name can be ruined by the associations you have with idiots when you're alive

Okay, we so that's the discussion of our players That's the introduction to the two men that would blow this wide open now We're gonna get back into a time machine now imagine Um, you're sitting in a in a I'm gonna say a big old beanbag chair with a clock in front of it Yeah, and you're gonna you're got your feet up in holsters like you get at the gyno If you've ever seen the more if you do gyno play with your loved ones in your red bedroom I don't know what a weird reveal that was Dr. Zabrowski the patient will see you now

Let's take the clock in front of you set it all the way back to New Year's Eve 1982 They're all happening in one go right and we're gonna go to the first ever Hudson Valley sighting. Okay This occurred Just before midnight New Year's Eve 1982 The witness was a man who has given the very impressive alias of Tony Valor Or Tony Valor and Tony Valor and Tony Valor to very different people. Yeah Tony Valor works at a he works at a hair salon

And Tony Valor is the guy who's just mopping up at the end of the night at the hair salon because he has a made-up name Because of the crimes in his past. Yes, and although he is always fully closed never a zipper on him He's a button guy. Everything is buttoned Now Valor said he saw a gigantic boomerang shaped object hovering about 500 feet above his house flashing colored lights He attempted to film it But only got the standard grainy white lights on a black sky footage that we usually get when people try to capture the image of a Nighttime UFO, right, but he wasn't the only person to see it that night a warehouse foreman named Edwin Hanson Saw it as well

He said the object shined a spotlight on his car flooding it with light and scaring the hell out of him But he said someone or something began communicating with him. He said quote I felt thoughts that were at my own, but a kind voice telling me not to be afraid And he's a foreman you can trust him. He's in charge And this whole that the whole a boy speaking in your head telling you not to be afraid It was a very common occurrence over the next couple years and all the sightings to come Okay, and we'll get into the whole scale, but it's actually the official definition of a close encounter normally sightings a general sighting is something that you see

Scientifically according to hynic and something's got to be a thousand feet away from you It's like something the way up distance in the sky a close encounter something close to you Something within 500 feet and then sometimes we'll have a communication with you But we'll get to all of that A couple of months later on February 26th more people had encounters with the westchester boomerang Most notably a woman who gave the name of monique odriskel Okay This is what she said she saw as the craft moved over a frozen lake

Red and blue lights were reflecting off the ice There were a few amber lights in between and the one in the middle was a big amber light Three or four minutes later the object started moving away big enough I got a little upset. I said to myself. Oh, please don't go. I want to look at you some more At that split second it stopped made a complete turn And then it was facing toward me Then it started moving toward me Very slowly Henry Thomas

It sounds like a An episode of like all in the family or something. Well, I remember all this takes place in state new york city This is all in westchester. Right. So there's all just people that sound like my family um, but uh, uh, but at the same time This fucking crazy I can't imagine see like I try to put myself in this spot. I was like looking up and just seeing this huge Silent object right just coming at you and it seems to be responding to your thoughts Like it like it can it's communicating with you. Okay

Again, this phenomenon was witnessed by more than one person that night as monique stood watching the ufo Slowly move away a car full of kids pulled up and when monique asked them if they'd seen the object They said they'd been tracking it for miles adding that nobody was going to believe what any of them had seen that night Wow. Now, how old are the kids you're six seven years old? We're talking a little But also think about that it's like she's having she's having a close encounter of the third kind And then stranger things just shows up right like oh the whole plot of stranger things just walks into her life Yeah, all right The largest number of sightings occurred just a month later on two separate nights in march of 1983

On march 17th the craft appeared in the night sky near interstate 84 It was so visible so large that highway traffic stopped to a standstill as people got out of their cars to take a better look This is hundreds of people. We're talking about here Honestly, dude It's crazy and there are cops that are involved and you literally hold to comic parkway in 84 just shut down And cars are just pulled to the side just all these group of people just staring at this fucking thing hovering over them Wow

Yeah, and about the object a county clerk named Dennis santa said this It had numerous lights From end to end red green and white There seemed to be an amber light coming from it. This was in sequence from one end of the shaft to the other I remember saying myself I wish I could get a better look at it And as I was thinking that it made a 360 turn swear to god as if rotating on a wheel Stopped and started to float in my direction

Like what I imagine being like with susan sarandon in the room because she is ethereal She is this is scary stuff. I'm gonna say it. Yeah another witness said this It was a very large v-shaped object a very massive size I watched it from the time it left i84 till the time it hovered For approximately three minutes and at that point all the lights seemed to intensify I don't know if additional lights came on or if some of the same lights got a great deal brighter But it was maybe three times as bright Illuminate the whole area

It seemed to be about the width of a football field and it was a dark very gray metal Cool One week later the craft returned Thousands of people reportedly saw the westchester boomerang in the sky once again This time in an area of westchester and putnam counties three miles wide and 12 miles long So many people saw the ufo that night that the local police station switchboard was completely unavailable for emergency calls Well, so people are getting murdered. Yeah Church is burning down a bank is getting robbed. It's a great idea for

For honestly, that's a fun idea almost for a heist movie Of all of this shit going on in the town while there's a massive ufo just slowly coasting over the city exactly Now despite this one local police officer shrugged the whole thing off Saying stable people don't report ufos Meanwhile, he's crying because he didn't get his fucking hot dog whistle like in the Santa Claus Now since two groups of people 15 miles apart both saw something at the same time It's speculated that there could have been two ufos in flight the night of march 24th Either way the object was massive

Cool This is what a bus driver from carmel new york said a guy named mark galley and you trust him with your kids Absolutely and bus drivers have seen some shit. Oh, absolutely. So if they're impressed by anything I think it's big. Oh my god, because they've seen people just bleed out guys with their dick out all sorts of I don't know what what else happens. I try not to use it I said to myself I wish this thing would come back my way So I could get a better look and as I did it started drifted towards me as if it was responded to my thoughts

I think I back in the car left as the ufo approach because I had the feeling it was watching me It was as big as a football field. I hit the gas pedal. It's spent away. I was upset and frightened All right speed five Yeah speed five get away from the ufo So the first reported siding that night occurred at 7 30 p.m. The last came two hours later There's two hours of sightings on one night Even though the mainstream media ignored the sightings at first Uh-oh the westchester rockland daily item was not so quick to let a big story slip through their fingers

And a hero comes along They published a front page headline that read hundreds claimed to have seen ufo And who should see this but a mailman in port chester new york And who should this mailman deliver mail to? But dr. J allen heinich and phil in brogno Wow According to in brogno he and his colleague were walking down the street when their mailman came up to them and yelled Hey, did you hear about it?

hundreds see ufo It's right here in the newspaper I just feel like it was such a better time to be alive No internet no social media. You got your news from the mailman who yelled it at chased you down the street yelling it at you I'm just joking. I'm not gonna kill anybody Many years until that phenomenon happens. Um, oh, but think about this though What I like too about these mass sightings is it's so many people the way they talk about it They had personal

Interactions with the ufo each one of them. You see how they all said like I felt like I wanted to see more And the thing turned towards me. There are many people saying this. Yeah, but I think that's a that speaks to the psychic Part of the ufo sighting phenomena is that you're essentially morphing it by your observation on an individual basis It's something very charming about the scene. Yeah, very much. I mean it's very movielike That's why people keep saying like again and again when people describe this object. They all say It's looked like something out of close encounters of the third kind Yeah, I mean they should make a film. You know get the the burbs type type characters in there It would be pretty. I mean, there's all kinds of like you remember. Uh, what was the other one, uh, the gulf brie sightings

Now that is the burbs that that's the burbs Anytime an elderly person is out in their underwear screaming at the screaming at the sky. That's a good movie to me This is way more of a battery is not included. Yeah This is this is that type of 80s nostalgic kind UFO movie that gets people to me. It's very inspiring. It's like I feel like this is the kind of story that would get people Interested in UFOs. Yeah Well, dr. Heineck and phil and brogna after shaking the mailman and reading the story They assembled their investigative team made up exclusively of members from heineck's center for ufo studies kufos

Oh, sounds like the cast of the dream team very deep cut listen to this dream team Oh, there was fred denis mufon symposium reporter in 1978 Not good to have two first stamps. I'll never I'll honestly that it's the one thing against him But I don't like I maybe would be better if it was frederick denis, but There was sheila sabo legitimate researcher Extraordinaire who went on to write colonials indians and the great swamp fire to 1637 There was chris clark who went on to write the less legitimate ancient clones of the mojave And

George lesnick who needs no introduction? Yeah, how do we know george lesnick that name rings a bell? I could not find a single thing on george lesnick either george lesnick either george lesnick was a pseudonym Or he went on to become a financial advisor in jersey city. Okay. He was the seltzer man He maned the soda stream and he kept saying you guys need more spa water Anybody want a spa water anybody want like a snack or granola. I brought granola I'm just trying to keep you fueled. I know that this is a lot of there's a lot of work happening

So I'm just kind of a dead mother So yeah, and all these people were locals, you know, like they all lived in and around the hudson valley So this team spent two years interviewing hundreds of people who saw the ufo and all during the investigation sightings continued to occur On march 25th 1984 almost a year exactly after the second mass sighting the westchester boomerang returned Oh, and was seen by two to three hundred Witnesses the westchester rockland daily item headline the story with the ufo's are back and right on schedule God, this is awesome. And everyone was listening to orson wells on the radio and this is when we had family dinners

It's a very good story. I mean, it's a it's a great story That night an engineer named bobby boulanger Said the lights on the craft shine bright enough to cast shadows on the ground and then the lights went out one by one Like the cheshire cat's teeth That is a metaphor that j. Allen hynek used quite a bit He really there's something about that he because he equates all the psychedelic movement of ufo's to be shit like that Where a thing can just appear In front of you like it just because it's just a straight up. It's like your eyes don't recognize it

Like the old story that we've probably talked about on the show about how when the native americans first saw the boats show up From of when we were when the when white people showed up. Oh bad day But when when they showed up they were the first white people capital S spanish the etpanos Yes, when they showed up they said that they didn't see the boats They just saw the water rippling weird and they couldn't understand it until a shaman came and said there are fucking boats out there And then they the boats appeared to them right Now on july 12th of that year thousands more saw the craft and they again jammed emergency lines

A law professor named dr. Richard long who witnessed the whole thing Come on you gotta be joking. I will not hear a single joke You know about my name. I lost four inches of my phallus in korea I lost four inches of it. Yeah, so you hippies can dance You know sometimes they uh, they shorten the word richard to dick and then that would make your name. Uh, well you got it there No jokes about my name Well, he witnessed the whole thing On july 12th and he had this to say about both his and his neighbor's credibility, sir. Okay

You call me richard first of all I think i'm a responsible citizen I'm professor of law at st john's law school. So i'm not part of a hoax My neighbor is a responsible citizen He's a national vice president one of the largest cookie companies in the united states It does seem like when people are like i'm a responsible citizen. They're also cleaning a gun And just like aiming at a picture of at this point probably ronald ragan or maybe uh, you know, who knows who else? But I will say this honestly

I do I would like to trust the person who owns a cookie company Because they're going to our homeless and to our children and to people who recently had blood drawn And they're the weakest. Oh my gosh Now explanations were put now explanations were put forth But none were sufficient enough for the team or for us for that matter The best officials could come up with was that each time every single time The lights were from a group of small plans flying in formation just messing around Well, that's so difficult horrifying

Yes, well, they said a lot of times they said on several nights specifically I believe all the march 24th night in particular there was massive wind gusts There were 30 mile per hour wind gusts happening And the types of planes that they said they were being used are these things called ultra lights Which are essentially lawnmowers with wings on them that kind of float their one single person riders And they would not be able to stay in formation the way they did and also they they try to blame it on planes But the way they talked about how the lights would rotate on a wheel Was it not like you have to be such an expert?

Pilot to even think about doing that and then to fly so close together It would be very difficult right and a bunch of pilots on those ultra light planes actually tried it one night You know they do no one reported anything better or worse than Harrison Ford Because that man cannot keep a plane in the air. It's remarkable Well furthermore an actual videotape besides the one we mentioned earlier Exits that shows that although it is not conclusively a UFO The lights are definitely not coming from planes and almost certainly coming from one solid object All right, and then there's the reward the investigators offered a thousand dollar reward for proof that it was all a hoax

And nobody came forward Thousand bucks a lot of money. I mean it's a lot of money now, but like in 1985 That's a ton of money and you would think someone would just come forward with Whatever explanation for a thousand bucks make something up nothing nothing at all And in addition to that people saw the craft up close You know 500 feet or less less and they reported not a single noise that could have been compared to an airplane engine Well, they said there may have been a slight hum A couple people said a slight hum came it sounded like like something far or something they'd never heard before

But mostly what every single witness said again and again was the most surprising part of it was not even the size of the object but it was better how completely silent it was and And there's there's also something to be said about The way the lights were shaped. They were they were not something they recognized. They were like soft edged Circles that kind of just appeared and then some people saw a body like a weird thing Structure holding the thing together that they said was like a bunch of greats and a bunch of weird little like iron bars Holding it together. So we got this what seems to be a floating prison that sounds like a radio head sound check And I just feel like yeah, you're right Marcus. I mean nowadays. What do you this seems like you would it would light up?

The internet. Yeah, you'd think so But finally perhaps most disturbingly craft of this description has been reported multiple times Going all the way back to 1951 in places as far away from New York as Arizona Hmm and speaking of scary the UFO was not just seen hovering above lakes and forests and highways on July 24th 1984 the craft appeared 300 feet above reactor number three at the Indian Point nuclear power plant just north of New York City Now Henry, what exactly happened here at Indian Point? Well, what it seems like it's pretty straightforward is that they sat that it went across

Hudson Valley The video that we have from it. Do you remember the last name of the man that did the video was like osky osky There's a crazy Italian name that did the video and the video. It's like it's it's pretty cool It's pretty cool looking pretty legit. We gotta maybe I'll post it to twitter or something so you could see it It coasted over the parking lot Of the nuclear power plant and their bunch of security guards are out there Just on their daily duty. We're like, what the fuck is that? They have no idea what it is. They call up the radio all the way it goes all the way up to the top

It goes all the way to their to their boss and they're like, well, just don't say anything Don't acknowledge it. We're just we're gonna watch it and see what happens It hovered above the parking lot and then turned like on a wheel again And went right over reactor number three, which was the only one that was active at the time And all the alarms went off the security the security system shut down This thing is just hovering above it. Meanwhile, it's like They're staring at this shit and it is not confirmed But the one guy that was talking to them said that they're off of their lead officer

Commanded them to fire at it and several people shot bullets at this thing Just to kind of see how it would react and it just sat there and then floated off Well, that'll work It always just shoot at it But there's just a one in the long line of what seems to be Aliens being obsessed with nuclear power and there's a lot of people that believe that that's the reason why raz will even happen Because essentially once we gain control of the atom, we started arousing intergalactic attention So shortly after the sighting at indian point hynik and embrogno got a call from a guy who claimed

That he was an nsa employee working on ufo's in again an unofficial capacity Essentially, he said it was a hobby. Okay. Yes. Yes But this is the one sad part about ufo investigators as a whole. Um, they are in a word Exceptionally gullible Right, um, and so this guy just called they're except they're exceptionally gullible But they always make sure in their books to talk about how not gullible they are Like there's actually like a there's a story in night siege where the guy is saying it's like, yeah, we got a call We got a tip that was obviously fake. It was an obviously fake tip. So we sent our guy along

They sent along a very stable genius I'm gonna say they said george less than george less than got sent I'm gonna give them the credit that they at least sent him. They sent selter boy out But i'm pretty certain well hynik and embrogno got this call from the nsa because the one thing about hynik is that He truly was a scientist so he did take everything seriously Where we're gonna find about phil embrogno is that he loves a drama So he was saying like this is gonna pump up. I could see the dynamic. He's like this is gonna pump up our story They set up this hotline and they would advertise it. So at this point, they've set up shop in the hudson valley

They rented a little office. They're hanging out there. They're getting floods of calls. It's kind of it's cool as fuck It's like this little like thing where they kind of they got to be in the center of all these sightings It's like an alien ghostbusters. Yes, it's awesome. They were the guys and then uh This guy She calls and just says I work with the nsa. They're like tell me more Well, I'm like immediately jumping in now the nsa a very secret program for many many years Were they normally calling people? And just letting them know who they are and why they're calling remember this guy was not calling

In his official capacity as an nsa agent. He just told him like hey, listen I want to know more about this ufo. By the way, I work for the nsa But i'm not here as an nsa agent. I'm just a ufo Enthusiast and you can trust that I work for the nsa judging by the crumbs in my mustache You'll note. They are oatmeal raisin. No one who wouldn't work. No one you You have to like oatmeal raisin if you work for the government You can also see how flat my butt has become from observing things Now this supposed agent given the name james madison by the ufo team

Spoke with embrogno and hynic for about an hour about the sightings on that first call All right, then brognon hynic said that during the conversation They would hear a clickin noise about every 15 minutes or so like what me and henry used to hear when we talk about 9 11 on the phone for hours That's right Do you remember those easy days Those carefree days that dog meat and I would spend just talking about 9 11 for two or three hours at a time And the government would listen and then we talk about dating and then they shut off

I remember that they would absolutely as soon as we started talking about like our Dating lives and personal lives and relationships. You just heard click out. Oh, we're fucking boring, you know Oh, this is boring to you Now over the course of that first conversation They learned that madison had top security clearance and specialized in Satellite intelligence or so he said that they never actually say how they found out that this person truly was an nsa agent But they are sure as in night siege that he was definitely without a doubt a member of the nsa And definitely not a guy that was just yanking their chain. Well, they have an office. You got to believe them

They have an office and a phone line and technically I now have the same thing So I'm just as legitimate and I say that you're from the nsa castle Uh, you have congrats. You're gonna get health care. Um, but Uh hynic said he checked it out So the problem is that I'm such a nerd for hynic that I believed that he did make the right calls Now did hynic say that he checked it out because I believe in night siege. It just says we checked it out God, it could have just been god damn it broke. No. Yeah, and god damn you I don't know

I think they might just be taking his word for it. Yeah, they very much might be They were curious and they were having a good time. Yeah Well, the thing is though, they did actually meet him See madison wanted to get his hands on the videotape that supposedly captured the ufo And of course the team wasn't gonna just hand it over with no quid pro quo Right, so they showed up to their meeting with a blank tape instead At the meeting in an odd house full of people that just seemed to shuffle from room to room not acknowledging the visitors or Agent madison himself every single hipster party

No one talks to each other. Everyone is too cool to have a friend Did you not see the tidbit that he lived with his family? Well, the tidbit I wasn't sure if it was his family or I thought they said that it was just with his weird people He said he lived with his mother and his brother And they showed up to this guy's house who said he worked for the NSA, which I gotta believe you're making at least 45 A year, right working for the NSA And so he's living it with his mom's basement And I'd like to think that alan heineck twitched his van dyke a little bit. It was like I think we've made a mistake

Yeah, especially when he brings out the ginger snaps that his mom just made So he's living like the bodyguard for uh for tanya hardy Just yeah No, you taped over my favorite episode Yeah, and the the guy actually took them out to the back porch for a little more privacy And they talked about I'm having a shut up mom. I'm trying to talk to ufo's with my new ufo friends You guys want a phanta? I hate when my mom listens to my meetings with my ufo friends

Oh the team sat down with him in the backyard and told madison They couldn't turn over the tape without an assurance of information exchange The madison responded with this You know phil the government has done away with people for a lot less Yeah hint hint Yeah, yeah, you're threatening to kill me. No, I'm threatening to give you some diet coke and the aspartame eventually will give you cancer Ah the long con But they called his bluff and he only spoke to them one more time before he disappeared forever

Okay, but really these guys didn't have time to worry too much What was the point of this guy? I There's no point to this guy. Okay. Yeah But really these guys they didn't have time to worry about a federal agent threatening to kill them Because they had an event to plan. Oh, it was the big night It was the big night marcus They went and they were so excited because they needed to put together a conference

And there's one thing that ufo guys love more than anything else in the face of the world is throwing a conference Because then it's the nerdiest way of bringing people to a party You don't have to go to a party. You just have the party right and then you get snacks And so they went looking for whatever what they were like They sat and there was a whole section of the chapter of night sea just said what they're like And we needed to figure out the proper place to hold an event such as this on a momentous event And we found the perfect place Henry Wells middle school

They were obsessed with it. Okay. They loved it. This is the montage scene where it all happens very quickly And they're listening to every uh, everyone's working for the weekend. Oh, yeah, they work together Come on. Come on. Let's work together saying like welcome aliens and a big like sign up top and put now ginger snaps They got the recipe from james madison So this is actually at a middle school This is it said a 500 seat auditorium in a middle school in bruster new york And this actually doing this whole conference they it turned out to be the right move because now the press Had an actual event to cover rather than just people saying hey, I saw something

The upi wrote up a story and sent it out on the wire and pretty soon the team's ufo hotline was ringing off the hook And with anything like that they got a couple of strange calls Strangest without a doubt was a guy who said his name was tarso. I imagine the secretary is like the woman in twin peaks She's like the best secretary ever Yes, dr. Heineck, please answer the phone. It's the one that's blinking on the red line As far as tarso went tarso said he'd been a crew member on one of the spaceships above hudson valley And he gave the whole like borler plate. We're here to take you away because your planet is dying And then he never really called back remember again. The name is tarso

Do not write torso Torso is an insult on my planet the butt planet. We're all made of butts Oh, wow. Oh cool Interesting another guy who just called himself the alien said there was going to be a sighting that night That is the least creative human being on earth Oh, hey, it's gonna see you a phone line. What's going on? Hey, man. Hey, you uh, you record uh sightings and shit Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my name is The alien

Shut up. Shut up, Greg. Shut up. It's giving you fucking. It's gonna be an alien sighting in the night He's checking out you fucking idiot. Wow Well, the thing was that he said there was going to be an alien sighting that night in Danbury, Connecticut And there was whoa, there totally was that night. I mean it's It's the way that night siege breaks it down is that they were told specific coordinates And they sent again who I believe to be George Lesnick because Alan Heineck several times He just brought up a night siege several times There's a couple of these side quests that are brought up to Alan Heineck and he always just like

Yeah, somebody should check that out But he sends somebody else like he doesn't do it And so it's always George Lesnick. They went out to this This location so it wasn't actually seen in Danbury It was seen like 10 miles from the location of where it was and so they pulled it in So they say but you see no, but but there was actually was A sighting but five miles from where they told us where the sighting was going to be and it was just George Lesnick sitting alone in a field

With a cooler But you know none of these crank calls none of them put a damper on the conference. It was still coming up and it was still exciting In fact, they had the middle school's complete support as many members of the pta had witnessed the ufo themselves Even stuffy old dick blasberg of the school board was on board. All right I believe in aliens and All allowed dancing again Dancing is legal again It had to be like one fat kid like from the movie up who was just like super into it

Remember the auditor the auditorium they reserved held 500 which the team actually considered to be way too large They're like, oh, Jesus. We're gonna have maybe half that But on the day of the conference Something magical happened. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the christmas miracle kiss all it's a christmas miracle 1500 people Including 75 members of the media showed up to hear about the Hudson valley sightings It was a huge success. Cool. It was the conference It even went two hours past where it was supposed to be it was supposed to end at 10 and it ended at midnight

And you know that alan heineck fell asleep at 10 30 because 10 p.m. Is his is his bed time He said that's everyone The frogs were farting extra hard that night. The sun was the moon was bright And I don't know and I don't know if this is true But in brogno claimed it was undoubtedly the largest ufo meeting ever held in the u.s. And in 1985 Maybe it was it was possible. Um, my question marcus is did it say anywhere that they raised any money to maybe pay any of These staffers or or do anything to help the research or anything like that? I think you know the pro bono nature of ufo investigators. Yeah, I think I do

It seems to me they just ask for a lot of money and then they because they don't make any He didn't figure that out. Yeah, I might have taken a loss there And so soon after all the data and interviews were gathered The book was pretty much written by a fella named bob pratt as in brogno is a terrible writer Uh, and it was all published under the name night siege And unfortunately soon after the publication of the book or possibly before the publication of the book It was definitely the same year. Dr. J. Allen. Heineck died of a brain tumor at the age of 75 Check please. Good luck on the other side. Dr. J. Allen. Heineck. Yep. Absolutely 75. Good age, you know good age, uh, but

double unfortunately Phil and brogno Now given legitimacy by working with dr. Heineck And having a book with his name right next to one of the most respected ufo researchers in history Figured it was his time to shine. All right Now that's something about legacy And I think we're learning a lot about that as a country right now in terms of like when someone takes over another previous person's job And they could just just fuck it off. Just do whatever the fuck it is that they want

Just run wild with it. Yeah, that is what phil and brogno did phil and brogno cherry picked a couple of ideas that heineck after decades of research and talking to some of the smartest Most people in the world working with the government Shit that he was still just playing with like the book the edge of reality plays with some of the most Fucking high brow ridiculous philosophical ideas And then he gave it to the bob hoskens shaped phil and brogno

To just run to just do whatever the fuck. Yeah, he was gonna Henry I gotta ask you whenever you mentioned the the book the edge of reality or you contractually obligated to hold it Because it is an audio medium and every time he mentions that he makes sure to present it to marcus and i Just so we know that he has the book. He has thumbed through the book and he intends to read it further It's very good well, I also mean I kind of have some questions about like the publication of night siege uh and uh phil and bro and alan heineck's uh involvement in

Particularly like the last couple of drafts of it because I mean the man died of a brain tumor in 1986 at the age of 75 And i'm sure that was not something that just showed up And and happened i'm sure it was a long a long process So i'm not sure how much heineck was involved in like the final drafts of night siege Especially because there's some things in night siege that I don't know if heineck really wanted in there because like as we said Earlier in the episode heineck and embrogno's theories on ufo's Dovetailed meaning that embrogno was influenced by heineck's other dimension theories But they wildly diverged when it came to the aliens themselves. Heineck didn't like talking about abductions

I have a little bit of information on that and so it seems like heineck was way more in and out During the nights each time from 82 to 85 He was in and out because he's always kind of doing speaking engagements And he was writing and he was still working with the government in various universities. He was still doing shit And it seemed like yes film brogno Ran with his shit and a part of what that's what so in the beginning of this whole series Like the difference between the hudson valley sightings and the phoenix lights Which is the other one of the most famous mass ufo sightings in the world is that the hudson valley sightings came with a lot of

Abduction material that comes with many many people seeing ufo's you're gonna see that a lot a lot of times What we saw with gulf breeze when you see with a many different stories Is that if people see a ufo when they feel that they speak to it a lot of times abduction stories follow But what we talked about is that heineck said I don't want to cover the shit film brogno Just barely held back. Hmm phoenix light also phoenix lights also the only basketball team to beat the harlem globetrotters Very good basketball team the phoenix lights. Well for an example of how these two guys Uh diverge let's go through heineck's encounter scale Along with in brogno's later additions that happened after heineck died

A close encounter of the first kind is a sighting of a ufo at close range within 600 feet The vast majority of the hudson valley sightings were of the first kind The second kind is when a ufo leaves a physical trace like burns or depressions in the ground or broken tree limbs A close encounter of the third kind is when a person actually sees an alien creature outside of the spacecraft Just kind of milling around Those were the only three encounters that heineck had intended. Okay, others added more The classification of the fourth kind was first added by an associate of heineck's and henry's favorite joc valet He said a fourth kind encounter was when a witness experienced a transformation in their sense of reality

Yeah, fucker That's like this shit when the alien picks you up and you come back down and then you can play piano Or the or when you go when the alien comes up, this does happen like that. You can credulous I believe the alien or also when someone's being been probed or has been got an implant put on them the negative side of it as well Right sometimes people wake up from comas and they know how to speak other languages Yeah, and uh, and they can play a whole series of different things with their feet Oh, yeah, I've got a whole but yeah, I got a whole theory of the collective unconsciousness on that Which also plays into henry's alien theory. Maybe someday we'll work together on that

I want us to spend our elderly years. I've already explained this to natalie There will be a time when I go on a knowledge seeking quest and we leave everything behind And we will go and we will write our philosophical books marcus And we will get we'll get hot stone massages sometimes And we'll be together and we'll go on a lake and we'll go on a boat sometimes So we'll get drunk something and then we'll fish and we'll write Yeah, god, it sounds beautiful. I think it's going to lead to a strange death I don't know exactly what it's going to be but it's going to be anti climactic

Yes, yes, I'm going to just fall in the kitchen and just bash my head on the counter and then he's got to deal with my body Yeah Now jokphale's classification of the close encounter of the fourth kind is pretty legit and falls in line with hynex own Hypotheses and brogno though goes a little trashier with it as Embrogno tends to do he said a close encounter of the fourth kind is an abduction against the witness's will Which I suppose could be an interpretation of valet's hypothesis Then there's a close encounter of the fifth kind That's when there is a meaningful communication between humans and other worldly intelligences

Usually through channeling and alien intelligence through another human. Oh Oh needless to say Embrogno and hynek had pretty opposing views on what the focus of the hudson valley investigation should be Dr. Hynek the actual scientist wanted to keep it firmly in the ce1 category close encounter one Okay, and hynek would keep to that for the most part There are brief abduction stories in night siege, but nothing outlandish and probably I would imagine hynek didn't even know Those were going in there

After hynek died though in brogno would skip ce2 blow right through ce3 and 4 and plant himself personally right in the middle of a ce5. Oh my loves a drama Loves loves drama a 10 years after the publication of night siege phil and brogno published a book with a woman named Marianne Horrigan called close encounters of the fifth kind Oh, it is chock full of wacky bullshit concerning hudson valley in addition to a whole lot else Which we will now get into she should have also had a 80s sitcom called here again. Horrigan Hold on how she's she's back in her own small town former sex worker now. She's living in the suburbs I'd watch it

starring brook shield So this is on this is another thing I'll say too now as a as a ufo enthusiast myself Yeah, I read night siege And yeah, it's impressive because it's scientific and it's dry and I'm holding up the book So that they could see that I brought it to the new studio But yes, I mean of course have it on your bookshelf. It's necessary But if you're actually a ufo enthusiast you will purchase contact of the fifth kind by phil and brogno And you will attempt to digest this because that is your burden another book that you're holding up

Wow But that is your burden as a ufo enthusiast You have to buy and read these things and come to understand that some of it's very interesting and very cool I think the abduction stuff in contact of the fifth kind is pretty legit. I believe in the abduction scenario I think what they say because in order to admit it You have to be it's pretty embarrassing to say all this shit's happening to you and the way that it does happen to people But it's also the last 40 pages of this book are about him spelunking with this woman in a cave We'll get to it, but it is nonsense

So the first hudson valley abduction that is covered in contact of the fifth kind Happened in 1984 at the height of the ufo sightings when a computer programmer named bill as he's called Was driving home from work late one night while driving down a desolate road near stormville new york The westchester boomerang settled over bill's car bill said when he looked up the craft looked like a star war star destroyer Triangular with a whole mess of grids portals and lights underneath He also said that when he was driving He drove and he's he saw this thing pass over and he was like, okay, whatever. I don't know what the fuck that was I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna pay attention to it. He kept driving

Then all of a sudden he was on a part of the road that he didn't recognize And there was a big plot of land next to him that used to always be empty He used to drive back and forth across at all time and he said what he saw was a gigantic Triangle shaped shadow Which is to me in my mind kind of like david lynch. It's very linchy Yeah horrid imagery and this show is freaky as fuck it fucking hovered above the thing It's like imagine just seeing a fuck you just seeing a shadow Just like hanging out there and it's living and moving and then it passes over the car and then he just wakes up

Yeah, 600 feet down the hill from where he first saw the ufo and he was missing an hour of time Oh He did not be daylight savings time No, it was not So we have to check off all the possible boxes and I don't even know why we still do that quite honestly I don't know either. Thomas Jefferson liked it. Yeah, that was a long time. He liked a lot of other things too that we got away with Yes, he did it very good No, he didn't immediately remember what had happened, but all that was revealed under hypnosis

Phil said after he was taken up into the ufo because he was obviously taken up into the ufo naturally He said he opened his eyes and he was lying on a table He was approached by six creatures small creatures with black shark-like eyes and big heads They told him quote Do not be fearful. We need you. You have been selected And then they brought out a big check Whoa Publishers clearing house alien edition. It's never good to be selected

Very rarely NBA drafts NFL drafts any kind of sports draft other than that It's jury duty alien abductions or uh, you know just further security checks. Yes. Yeah Now one of these aliens began moving a device that looked like a dust buster Up and down next to bill's head up and down up and down up and down And the more the alien moved the device the more bill's head painfully vibrated You've been selected. This is fun. This is fun for us Oh when bill protested actually they kind of did say that they said they had a right to do whatever they wanted And besides nobody was really getting hurt. That's a dust buster. Yeah, and that's when bill's alien adventures came to a close

Odd thing is though that road should not have been as desolate as it was It wasn't a super busy road But you know people still drove it pretty often and Brogno said that a quote-unquote Motorist whom he had talked to who regularly drove that stretcher road said he remembered that night And you could tell the difference between someone who just drives a car and a quote-unquote Motorist is it has to be a Bentley you drive with gloves. You have those round driving glasses and those news boy hats And you have to have no destination No, no, you're just cruising. You're just cruising. You have no family. You live in that car

Now the motorist said the road had been blocked off on each side by men in hard hats and yellow clothing Was it just a coincidence were these aliens making sure bill was alone? Or were they colliders? collusion Okay, we just don't know construction. We don't know. We don't know. No. Okay. No, we don't know maybe some potholes on the road That had to be no, we don't know We already said that we do not know. We don't know. Oh just don't know hard hats leads me to believe they might be working construction We don't know just don't speed it's it's a double. Uh, so maybe nothing. We do not know. Okay

A couple months after that there was another incident involving a car a man named Sean and his girlfriend sally We're driving to moho pack on route six following a party at a friend's house Sean it's probably like maha pack or some weird upstate new york pronunciation because they're all the all of those All of the native american towns are like maha kabaka. Baka where they all say and you just don't know how you pronounce Masa piqua. Yeah, and probably someone's gonna say. Yeah, actually. It's mass of piqua. Wisconsin has a lot of native american towns as well Yeah, how do you do with them? You just you say it. No, but how are you? How are you with them? Milwaukee? Chippewa Falls Mohegan Sun

Sean pulled over to investigate what he thought was a small grass fire But it turned out it was actually a kind of lure laid out by the aliens lurking in the darkness Gotcha, bitch And Sean got out of the car to look at the strange light But was soon beset upon by a whole gang of creatures Honestly though, it's kind of fun He goes out there because again as you hear a lot of abduction scenarios He was strangely drawn to this this thing and his girlfriend the whole time's like

Yeah, he put it over where he put it over and he's like shut up dammit. I'm doing something curious. I'm being curious I think sally might have a good point Sally was correct. And so he goes over there and straight up looking at this fire and all of a sudden These creatures just come out of the fucking woods That's awesome Yeah, and he ran back to the car and told his girlfriend to lock the doors and hide in the back seat under a blanket The aliens followed him and tried to open the door by passing their hands in front of the window glass That didn't work because apparently car car handles were beyond their intellectual grasp

Dude, no, though, they're fucking psychic projection That's what sort of makes sense to me now is that there's somewhere else and they're kind of dealing in a weird like Haze of like, where are we right now? And they couldn't understand how my cars were They tried scaring Sean out of the car by projecting terrifying images of the car being on fire in his mind Get out right, but Sean did not budge all Sean knew he said was that they were not there for him They were there for sally. Oh, no Sean said the only thing he could think to do was yell at them. She's already had a hysterectomy He'll know I yelled that he has no clue

I some reason imagine if this is not the first time that this has happened that he screamed She's already had a hysterectomy in several other inappropriate scenarios But she hadn't had a hysterectomy. Oh, she had no he just yelled that. Oh, he thought it would make them go away. Okay But the next thing they knew They were still in their car, but the sun was coming up Hours had been missing and the couple didn't really talk about it to each other And a week later they broke up It's hard to make things last sally left the area completely and Sean refused to undergo hypnosis

So the rest of the story is a mystery. All right. Wow. Well, hopefully she's a good one. That is a good one. It was a good one Yeah, she she um, she got the fuck out of there. Yeah. Yeah now at this point Contact of the fifth kind jumps on a bit of a tangent when it comes to Hudson Valley The book itself is not fully about Hudson Valley anyway, but rather a whole mess of subjects. Okay, so he He fools us So what film bragno does with this book is that he says So these stories all came out during the investigation

Of the Hudson Valley sightings a lot of these stories came and hynex like I don't want to deal with this shit So he kind of gets the audience by saying this book's about what was left out of night siege Mm-hmm, but then he goes off on some dumb shit Yeah, because there wasn't a lot that was left out of there was enough for a pamphlet left out of night siege Yes, so there had to be a lot of padding on this all right And you know in brogno, he covers close encounters of the third kind and then the fourth both in Hudson Valley And this all does circle back to Hudson Valley eventually kind of sorda But before we get to that we got to talk about close encounters

Of the fifth kind Specifically channeling. Okay channeling to me is my favorite of the dumb subjects in alien shit It's my favorite of them because it's the most made up And it's the most just like what I do like it's just it's just people playing characters Is it what I do every single night with a 12 pack of bud light as I flip through the food network HGTV you're pretending you're someone else. No, I'm flipping through the television No, that's not that's called aging You're aging I see

And brogno says that channeling is when a medium is in mental contact with another human nonhuman or superhuman intelligence That intelligence communicates through the medium either verbally or by automatic writing or drawing And to his credit and brogno does point out that he does believe that most of the people Uh that claim they can channel are making it up as they go along Uh as for some reason the majority of people uh switch to specifically an indian accent when they channel Yes It's the most of me mysterious accent Like if I was going to pretend to be an alien I feel like that's the one where you just go like

No, I'm from another planet because it's that racist then because you're an alien I was thinking native american, but we're talking india. No, we're talking. We're talking. Yeah. He says indian or middle eastern It was the 80s. It was the 80s But some people who channel and brogno claims are the real deal One of the actual channelers is a fascinating man named dean fagerstrom Now whether this guy is telling the truth or not. He is an absolutely fascinating person Okay, one night in 1966 while dean was stationed in germany during a stint in the army Dean said he began to feel a presence in the house where he was living

He looked down at the whiteboard where he had been working on a system to beat the lottery when slowly A human face began to appear Then another face appeared beside the first I think that if you already believe that you can beat the lottery just using your mind and just using a bunch of numbers This is more likely to happen either. Yeah, could be Hey, the man who appeared had shoulder length blonde hair and the woman had hair that was a little darker And a little shorter But both had the piercing blue eyes of what sounds like

Nordic aliens Then dean heard a voice next to his ear as if it was coming from thin air the voice said My name is dunestra and this is my wife keelestra That sounds like they sound like a lustro ripoff. Yeah They informed him that they were a part of thousands of races who studied earth And dean had been chosen for communication lucky guy But he was not to tell anyone that he had been contacted as proof of their existence though

They flew a ship outside his window performing performing astounding maneuvers and amazing tricks. You gotta show Wow, think about how cool that is I wish I could do that like if I promised you guys something like we're going to go see a thing Or I owe you something and then in order to show you that you can believe me I just sent a UFO at you and you guys just go But after that it was all quiet for a year until dean returned to interestingly The Hudson Valley town of bruster new york. Wow On january 19th 1968 dean awoke at 4 30 in the morning to see an object that looked like an old microphone

Slowly materialized from thin air The object then floated towards him making a high pitched buzzing noise It was only a few inches from his head when it began to vibrate Causing deans had to vibrate along with it This went on for a few minutes until finally the object disappeared and dean passed out Oh when dean awoke the next morning. He discovered he had a new talent Within three days dean said he had drawn 32 intricate honestly beautiful diagrams of alien machinery With no true idea what they were or how exactly he was suddenly able to draw them very cool

It's pretty sweet and they look pretty cool And he said that he would look at a piece of paper like a piece of graph paper And then blue dots would show up on it and he would follow the dots and then voices would tell him what to call how to shadow it It's cool. Yeah. Yeah, he's a real artist. Yeah, he really is. Yeah, he was informed That it all come from donestra For years the two communicated so much so that dean wrote two 500 page manuscripts about their conversations the book of solarian and the celestial citizen both unfortunately unpublished you don't understand there have been a new

Version of it with a new channeler named by guy named jacob m drake That wrote a book called the many worlds of the salarians Because that's the world where they came from donestra and cholesterol that came from salaria And so there's a bunch of people they're talking to so your ignorance. I guess can be forgiven for now All right. Well eventually though the drawings would end up in the hands of phil and broke No, at some point in the 80s I think as the timelines in uh contact of the fifth kind are pretty fuzzy phil Discovered dean and started meeting with him during one meeting the two were discussing the drawings when dean stopped short

And went silent for about a minute and when he came to he told phil The donestra had just visited and had instructed him to turn over the drawings to phil for safekeeping Dean told him quote You will know what to do with them when the time comes And dean did other weird shit too according to phil he could supposedly channeled the spirit of a 19th century piano Virtuoso named fran's list and could duplicate his style despite having no formal training whatsoever. Well, look at that Yeah, he claimed that this was this happened after a bunch of little hooded men opened up his head and installed ruby crystals Which also made him a mathematical genius, which is a skill that he used to win the lottery every once in a while

But only enough to pay for living expenses. Wow, but it's interesting But he has won the lottery several times Yeah, and he did and he but he could play and what he says is that fran's lists jumps into his brain He can play one song and record it But he could never play it live and he could never play it again. Oh, no, it can only be one Oh, no, he remember he did he said that in one paragraph But in the next paragraph he actually did play it for phil and brogno

Because in my book in my copy of contact of the fifth kind it is. Oh, yeah, heavily notated by whoever owned it before And in the the paragraph where it says he could only play it once and only play it recorded The guy wrote in the mountains sounds like a con game And then two paragraphs later when it said it phil said but one time he did actually play it for us Uh, the guy the guy that owned the book before me wrote apparently not a con game. Wow change of heart. Mm-hmm Now dean also created a language of over 200 characters that resembled ancient babelonian again Supposedly channeling and he wrote a sort of rosetta stone

Concerning that language using a poem of his own authorship called out of orion's mouth. Oh In other words And was crazy, but no doubt a creative genius Spent his days working as a security guard spent his nights making languages playing piano drawing Amazing diagrams security guard, huh? Yeah, he did cool things that crazy people do Because there's something about the focus that being a schizophrenic can bring you sometimes That's like that's very very powerful. And so he did a bunch of shit. I mean he never had love Mm-hmm, but he definitely had his drawings. Yeah. Yeah, he's like simon that snl character

That's a child. Yes hangs out in a bathtub. Yes. That is weird. Yeah. It played by a grown man I never like it. I never like when when adults play children So you don't come in theme on snl for a while. So you don't like cliford cliford's different because martin short is a national treasure What was the name of the when robin williams played jack that was sad that movie is disturbing What what what was going on with that there? They sold it to children. I thought it was supposed to be fun You know, that's a francis fort coppola movie. Good lord. Yeah, press it. Yeah, it's a francis fort coppola movie Now dean fagersturm was not the only instance of a channeler that philand brogno found although the other one that he found wasn't quite as impressive

james was a middle-aged man who worked for the department of treasury as an investigator And james had taken a frankly intriguing photo of a yellow egg-shaped object flying in the night sky And he'd called up brogno about the photo for a second opinion After showing them the photo james opened up a little He said that he'd been in mental contact with a being known to him as the master surgeon of the universe Ben Carson It's not made up There's nothing made up about this honestly. This is when it really goes off the rails

Yes, this is pretty stupid No, the master surgeon was a part of a non corporeal people who were in charge of putting humanity back on the straight narrow And they were doing this through people like james the treasury investigator. Okay. Yes The master, however, didn't always didn't always seem to have james's best interests at heart If james did not follow the master's instructions, the master would torment him all night and would not let him sleep Oh my goodness. Yeah, there was a there was a guy when I used to work at Eckerds When I used to do the photo developing thing There was a guy that used to come in every day who was a mentally handicapped man

I forget his name But he used to come be like, hi, you got any gold coins? And he always asked for the gold coins which were this at the time the dollar coins that were more popular I guess in the early 2000s. Yeah, so he came the you got any gold coins? We're like, no, I'm in me up. Yeah, you know none today And he would have this sheet of paper that was photographed that said He needed a master and that he wanted one of us to be his master And that if he didn't do push-ups right that um

He has to lift up the bricks and he has to do his push-ups And if he doesn't do it right then the master can beat him until his bones quick and crack And then hit all of these rules of all of this shit that we would have to do to him Sort of like not sexually but it was like spanking him and like making his bones go crack and crack and Make him do push-ups in front of you. And then if he does well, we were to give him gold coins Yeah, I think you are going to be part of a huge sexual fantasy for this man Yes, yeah, yes Well one night the master directed James to travel to an area just outside a sandy hook

And when he when James got there to the spot and saw a multitude of no trespassing signs posted on a chain link fence The master told him don't worry about it Just go on hop on in there. Everything's going to be great That's your sign to go on in and no sooner had James jumped that he was surrounded by a military personnel And was promptly arrested for trespassing and when he told his captor is what he was doing and why he was doing it They placed him under psychiatric care and gave him medication and wouldn't you know it just so long as James takes his meds The master don't talk to him. Oh, okay See it's weird how it works like that

But he says he can also he can still feel the master's presence All right And while this just does sound like James is a deeply disturbed person in Brogno Make sure to point out that his photographs are nonetheless interesting Uh and it is possible that he made contact, but it all just got a bit out of hand. Okay Yeah, they did a good overview of his pictures And they did like this weird thing where they did a chemical over unit said that there was something present in the picture Like they didn't fuck with it. They actually had a live picture

But uh that does not exclude you from being uh very sick Uh-huh Now all this channeling stuff had up to this point been all fun and games for him Brogno But that was until he visited Mark and Lois of Greenwich, Connecticut sometime in the late 80s early 90s I think okay Mark and Lois claimed that they were in contact with and could channel 104 different aliens all belonging to the same federation of planets. That's a lot They claimed yeah, whenever they wanted These highly advanced beings would drop whatever they were doing and answer the call of a couple of hippies from Greenwich

Okay, oh man. They were like Daryl Hammond Oh Filled with characters. Yeah, that's right and Phil Hartman. Uh-huh. Remember him. I remember him. Yes. I do. Of course. I do Naturally Phil was curious So he went along and sat in on a session Mark asked questions as Lois channeled and one by one the roll call began There was manka priest philosopher of mars and protector of earth. She was the primary contact Okay, next came she was manka next came phanta one who was not one but 50

Well, it's a misleading name. Then isn't it phanta's got now strawberry soda and orange soda and grape soda It's all the different fruits. So it's like that. It's like soda. I don't like it when they do that There was nemus the scientist and wan the other scientist. It's one of those. That's not one spanish wan That's wan. W. A. N. It's alien one. There was han and lomo and kalira and soltech not to mention urso You better not not mention urso. You gotta mention urso They all answered when lois called Phil listened skeptically as they hopped from one new age platitude to another but then the air changed slowly And you know, he was listening skeptically because he was slowly chapping his chin just being like i'm listening skeptically

Slowly the room grew colder. No matter how high they turned up the heat The dog started growling and the energy drained from the room Munkka came forth with a warning. Uh-oh for phil. Yeah, this is phil now phil's in the center of this This is oh, yes This is being written by phil and it doesn't sound maybe it does sound like he's purposely putting himself in there But this really maybe Didn't it happen? Maybe you have munkka's got a message for phil. Oh, yeah, munkka's like hey phil Yeah, what's going on? You will make it cold in here. I didn't wear a sweater. I don't care my I don't count my chesty

And my back. He is my sweater Well, she told him that a powerful evil negative force was coming to destroy him because he was getting too close To the being's true identity and that was followed by a strange knocking and a low chanting or so phil says Yeah, so it says yeah, so I says I literally says to him so I says you're being some kind of alien And I'm so close to the identity. I must be some kind of danger to use I might tell my buddy allen And you're gonna all be so mad. Yeah phil is flying too close to the sun here Then a message arrived from an outside source

This is the exchange as is reproduced in contact of the fifth kind Mark said who is this please? And an unknown being said I will only speak to phil and phil said well Can you tell me who you are? And the unknown being said Donestra, whoa, it's coming full circle. Don't ask they're talking to don't ask and only wants to talk to phil

That's it. He's the only one. He's the one. He's neo kissle. He's the only person with the missing piece Yeah, and this is the same donestra who had been in contact with dean fagerstrom the same Donestra who had told dean to give the diagrams to phil Wow Yeah, and when phil asked donestra, what am I supposed to do with these diagrams right donestra said In time you will know you must however be warned There's a very ancient evil force has been trying to get to you for a very long time You and the being are old enemies

For you have defeated him many times in the past I cannot hold this line of communication You talk about alex rebeck alex rebeck seen all those things i don't know i know for a fact you give me some books i can read about What you see i got i know the answers in the books alex rebeck at some point There'll be an internet invented and there'll be a program a website called etsy at which point you'll know what to do with the drawings Donestra then faded out and the session ended So what does all this have to do with hudson valley? What does all this have to do with hudson valley?

Well, it all comes down to dean Although dean's first contact was when we was when he was in the army in germany his first experiences were said to have happened as a child And although there is very little information about fagerström outside of contact of the fifth kind I assumed that where he returned to the hudson valley is where he grew up See dr. J. alan heineck hypothesized that there were windows into parallel realities that existed in certain areas on earth There was a certain part of where alan heineck really did believe that there were physical spots right and that there That reality was that our initiative would happen all time in specific areas Where there's another woman that wrote a book called lisa zimmerman

There wrote a book called the hudson valley sightings that basically said that there's and it's a pretty legit book It's a collection of sightings that have been happening in the hudson valley since the 1890s And so it's been there for a long time and so we see these a lot in america There was the bridge rota triangle which we covered and so in the hudson valley end of contact of the fifth kind It goes through a lot of phenomena talks about ghosts It talks about all this shit and then all of this was happening in this one area and If it wasn't philip brogno, it would be something i would look into

But is it heineck sort of believed it, but he started he basically just started researching it and then he died I want to learn more about that splunking trip. Oh, you're about to Oh, you don't want to because you know Why all this high strangeness happened? Why? Druids Druids What the hell do the druids have to do with druids? Oh, well, we actually don't know Well, let's go

Brogno made a map of all the instances of high strangeness and sightings in upstate new york And found that at the center of the areas with the highest instances Is stood either a carved standing stone or a stone chamber And the highest concentration of these stones and or chambers was in putnam county Where fagerström lived Now fagerström is just a byproduct of this. He is highly unusual and interesting Yes, but he is not the only strange thing around. No, he's not tiny tim was from up there, too Oh, okay, but he say these things Brogno's and a couple other

Hypothesis these standing stone structures. It's harder to describe They're like little sheds made out of stones that are placed together so tightly So that there's no they don't use any mortar or glue to hold these like piles of stones together But and so the druids yes may have done this when supposedly they visited america Uh thousands of years ago where they have a whole idea that the druids came to the northeast america and hung out But there's also many rebuttals and that they they were there and what they did was basically marked sacred grounds Using these stone chambers and that's where the aliens would come out of because aliens are close to fairies Which are close to ghosts which is all sort of weird any sort of high strange behavior

We can all be connected to each other, but then there's a whole other apparently another thing that Maybe during the early 18th century farmers just built this ship because it was cool. Yeah Druids Remember that yeah druid druid The evidence that uh in brogno gives that you can see however faintly an ancient language named ogum Which is an early form of galak written on the rocks and on one of the rocks They found a carving of the constellation pleiades in brogno States that the chambers built an upstate new yorker actually temples built on magnetic anomalies and in brogno knows

Because he took readings with a research grade magnetometer Yeah, and also he says the word magnetic anomalies in contact with the fifth kind Maybe 175 times And he believes that these are spots where reality is thin and a place where UFOs can use the magnetic energy To warp into the fourth dimension. I think Now, uh, unfortunately like all things alien. This is where it kind of just trails off Yeah, that's how we're ending this episode. There's no answers here. It just trails off You guys are leading me to an episode that just trails off like a horrible fucking

Psychedelic song hey ben kiss oh my this is ben this is ben the farmhouse of episodes ben It's a mystery It's a mystery it trails off. Let's see. No, welcome to my life. I feel like I'm in a jam band This is the constant experience of the ufo enthusiast It is always this because the problem is it doesn't end until I have a UFO In a garage and a gray in a casket in my possession The story doesn't end until I blow my brains out or I am abducted by an alien. That's it That's the only suitable closure. It's better than it just trailing off

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Kaleach, Elizabeth Marie, Danielle Renee, William Arthur, William Young, Antoine de Bono, Lauren Weston, Stephanie Holly, Giovanni Avile, Laura McCarthy, Holly Sullivan, Katie Allen, The Man Named But. That's funny. I like that. Classic. That's classic. Garrett N. Burns, Lindsay Hillebrand, Morgan Mako, Linel Alexander Rose, Michael Contente, Alexander Black, Emma Doothy, Kinsey Howell, Derek Carroll, Jeffrey Bridges, Allison, Carrie McGovern, Amanda Donnelly, Zachary Derby, Melissa Small, Lauren Gen, Daniel Guzman, Daniel Rudd, Cody Spagrud, Michael Kelly, Kate Rosen, Edward Hicks, Daniel LaDecour, and Kimberly Atkins. All right, here we go. I'll round it up here.

Anamika Vaughn, Justin Colley, Corey Hollow, Hollow Dinge. I don't know. It's H-L-O-H-O-L-O-D-N-Y-J. Hollidan. Okay. Collision. All right. Rebecca Manners. I'm skipping over one. I'm going to close with it. I think it's very fun. Rebecca Manners, Riley Henshel, Joshua Shelton, Carl, Danielle Belusi, Chris Conrad, Keesey Casey or Keesey Marfield, Soonlalholm, Lalholm, Jill L. Brown, Bo Burkles, Erin Rigsmith, Jeff Hard Hart, Michael Lacasco, Lacascio, probably Lacascio, Tally Herzga, Gary Tim, Andy Chen, Chastity Belt. Oh my goodness. Julie Correll, Charlotte, Megan DeLon, Sophie Callum,

Jenny Bacocos, Bacocos, Austin Davenport, Joanna Parzell, Ryan Cook, Kasey Tallhurst, Emily Olszewski, Vincent Pagilia or Pagilia, Jessica Heichel or Heichel, Nick Sandwig, Kelsey Boyle, Tim and Holly Braun, Braun Strowman, Win Elimination Chamber and Beat Brock at WrestleMania, Tim and Holly Braun, Heather Melling, The Bloody Baroness, Kelly Ketchert, Ketchertsid, Baroness, the Bloody Baroness. Okay. There we go. Kelly Ketchertsid. How many I mean, I'm mispronouncing probably everything. Russell Hull and finally to end it out for me, I put on my pants, which is fun. I put on my pants. Congratulations. Hail yourselves. Thank you all so much. I got finalists. Jessica Lockmonster, Bruce Pretty, Emily Tallott, Tabitha Eller, Ryan

Peppa, Caitlin McGreal, Alicia Sullivan, Brett H, Valerie, Thomas McGregor, Sally Zaleski, Randall Chancellor, Kajerski Farrett, Philip Van Ingem, SXM 22, Patrick Dost, Bradley E. Moyer, Alex Fiegel, Daniel Nonnen and Carolyn Akers. Thank you for your service. Ran it all out. I got Arthur Edmund, Jordan Ramos, Cameron Engel, Joshua Tkak, Christina Sotelo, Mauren Ortgwit, Hondly Zinsmoster, Jameson Murphy, Dylan Kenyon, Marcus Lam, Breonna Delaney, or Delaney, Ryan O'Keefe, Sierra Grange, Dustin Clark, Clara Brotherton, Quinn Chabau, Abigail Stuckless, Jody D. Guessari, Mark O'Malley, Brittany Buckhav, Jonathan Callum, Jonas Staffsing Einarsen, Mikalina Vaughn, Elizabeth Middleton, Brittany McDonald, Scott Quinn, Kelsey Schneider,

Brad Keasley, Craig Burghoffer, Kate Montagne, Garrett Hampton, Rob Skelhorn, Hallie E. Thomas, Evie, Thorin Skildestrand, Jason McRae, Jesse Booth, Mallory Maynard, Lisa Brown, and Justin Owen. There it is. Hail yourselves. Thank you all so much for giving. We hope to see you all very soon. Seriously, thank you all so much. As always, thank you guys. Hail Satan. It's been wonderful. Mahgoos Dalatians. Mahgoos Dalatians. See ya, fuckers. you you you

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