Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 306: Casey Anthony Part I - Ill Wishers

Episode Date: March 3, 2018

We're going all the way down to Orlando with our coverage of the Casey Anthony case. In the first of a two part series, we cover the deceptive nature of the accused, the infamous 31 days between her daughter's disappearance and the discovery of her lie, and what happened in the lead-up to the Trial of the Century of the Decade. Electro Cabello Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Chill Wave Kevin M

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? This case makes me miss Florida. There's something about the innocence of Orlando. That we, I mean, honestly, it's the innocence of the no innocence of Orlando.

And the fact that every single documentary about Casey Anthony says that Orlando is a mecca for children. They always seem to be like, it's a mecca for children and the enjoyment of children. It's like, no, it's not. It's a mecca for Oxycontin. Yeah, well, that certainly changed the Orlando magic. Remember when Shaq was on that team? And Horace Grant. Look at that. And ever since he left town, that town went to shit.

Did it really? This is Shaq's fault. Shaq was holding Orlando together. He really was. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, everyone. I am Ben Kissel, staring at Marcus Parsons, his Apple White shirt. It was a Christmas or as a birthday gift from Carolina. Oh, the eyes are horrified. And in not so sunny Los Angeles, Henry Zabrowski.

Yeah, it's raining here. So people are panicking because they're weak. And I like watching them panic and scurry and be like, what is the, what is, why is the sky crying? It's like an ancient times. I'm very excited about today. Yeah, absolutely. Today's episode, we're going to cover Casey Anthony. This is going to be one of two-parter.

That's right. So we're going to get into this case. I didn't realize all this happened around a decade ago. I felt quite old realizing that. You are. You're wearing glasses. Oh yeah, that's right. But I did just order a PlayStation 4 to come in the mail.

So I'm young at heart. Something about you in basketball shorts playing the PlayStation 4 is, I don't know what it is. It turns my mind. It's sour. Casey Anthony, a.k.a. the most hated mother in America, was a 22-year-old from Orlando with a shamrock tramp stamp who was accused and acquitted of killing her two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, Kaley, in the summer of 2008. She was accused and acquitted. And that's a bigger thing that we're going to hit today.

She is not technically guilty. Guilty. That's right. Man, I love a good shamrock tattoo there on the lower back. That was a great time, the lower back tattoos. Not as in as they once were. No, no. And you don't have to be Irish to get it.

You just have to show you can live an Irish lifestyle. And you just have to go to the tattoo parlor drunk. Yes. I want to first of all say up top, let's just get this fucking out right now. Casey Anthony is obviously hot. Let's just do it now. She is hot for an accused murderer. That's very hot.

That's very hot. Oh, my God. So she's obviously, she's sexy. It's the last time we're going to talk about it. There's a lot of convoluted messages to come from her. I don't predict the future, but I feel like you might bring it up again. I'm going to bring it up again. Yeah, of course you are.

It's because it's one of her skills. It's like how elves are better to sneak with in Dungeons and Dragons. Her just her like dwarves, no mountains, Casey Anthony is hot. She can use that as a very specific skill. She doesn't have to roll for that. You haven't said something that's gone completely over my head in a while. And there it was. You don't need to know.

It's D&D. It's fine. But also this is a, it's a brutal case. What I didn't realize because honestly at the time it was 2008. I was struggling in New York. I wasn't paying attention to the news. I mean, I had heard about Casey Anthony. It wasn't until we pulled the top off this whole story that I was like, Holy shit,

this is very complicated. Right. Yeah, I really didn't follow the Casey Anthony case at all during the time. I just remember Nancy Grace screaming at me about the case. Tot mom. Tot mom. That's all I really heard. Well, Anthony's murder case was given the full on trial of the century treatment,

the first of its kind in the social media age. When the verdict of the trial was announced, it's estimated that at least 10 Facebook posts per second were made by people who just had to weigh in. Wow. And we say at least in a second because that's the maximum number of posts that Facebook can count. So it could have been 20, 30 or 40. And this was the beginning of the end for Facebook.

It started and then it ended. Right. And now we, now they know everything about us and their building should be burnt to the ground. And honestly, Zuckerberg's home should be blasted out with a rocket launcher and he should be put in prison. But it's over. It's already done.

Your life's been sold to them. Whether Casey Anthony is guilty or not, she proved herself during the course of the disappearance, the investigation and the trial to be a liar. One could argue whether she was a good liar or not. I'm going to just say she's not. I would actually contend that she is given the not guilty verdict. You're all right. All right.

Well, she got people to believe her. Yes. That's all a liar has to do, Marcus. Well, in the beginning, as she was telling the lie, people were believing her as she was telling the lie. She was very convincing in the telling of the lie. She was just not good at the execution of the lie. She just made shit up and she went along just hoping that it would all work out.

She was a great manipulator. Yes, but a stupid one. Hey, Tony, do you know that I can dunk from the free throw line? I don't. I can do it. I can do it. And guess what? If you believe me, you might just see my nipple.

I don't. Strange friends. Trailers and investigators like to say that Casey was among the best liars they'd ever seen. Whatever. Also, maybe they're just the most gullible people out there. But just like the best criminals, the best liars don't get caught and Casey Anthony always, always got caught.

So that's what technically in the end, she always has to admit the fact that she's lying. So in the end, that makes you a bad liar. Because at some point, you have to tell everybody that you're lying and she does it again and again and again. Right. There's nothing worse than, you know, just living it, talking about a lie for like, even if it's like 15 minutes and there's finally been like, I'm just lying, guys. I've been lying.

I got nothing here. You pushed too hard. Yeah. If you wouldn't have pushed so hard, then we'd all be happy and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. And with that, let's get into the pre-Cailee life of Casey Anthony. When we were all at ease, I'm not going to blame Cailee for this because technically that's wrong and I will be pillaged by the internet community.

But it is if Cailee was not born, this wouldn't have happened. Casey Anthony would just be in Orlando having a DJ's other child. Cailee was a beautiful two and a half year old. Of course. I love Casey. Yeah. I mean, that is something to keep in mind here is that there is a dead child. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, that is something that we do have to keep in mind here. This case is very emotional. I find it. Well, that's one of the reasons why it was so popular is because it was extremely emotional. But that still does not, you know, it's just like any other thing that we cover, you know, we cover victims in every case that we cover. I have not felt this visceral of emotion while researching a case since, which is sad, since

like close to the satanic government, like, and when we got into 9-11 and shit, like, this shit makes me incensed, like listening to how all of this went down. Casey, this is a, this is a, we're going to get a, this is going to be a divisive one, I think. Well, I'm just going to say, mothers, don't kill your kids. Right. And fathers don't kill your kids either. Leave them alone.

Leave them alone. Leave them alive. By most accounts, Casey Anthony was a reasonably normal girl during her childhood. People described her as bright, personable and fairly popular. You know, I couldn't find anyone with anything bad to say about Casey as a kid and she never really gotten a trouble. But Cindy Anthony did say, like, she says like little things about how popular she was, but also in a weird tone, she was like, she had lots of little boyfriends running around,

which is very like, we're going to play into Cindy, of course. Cindy reminds me a little bit of my own mother, which is terrible. I just probably, this is an issue with you. Yeah, this is. Everything seems to, I think when we talked about Dahmer, you're like, he reminds me a little bit of my mother, the way she forced me and didn't want me to leave the house. Yeah. And anytime there's like a horrible old lady, it's always, you know, this woman really

reminds me of my awful grandmother. Right. She was a fucking horrible woman. We did a warshack test with a Zabrowski over there. Well, with Casey Anthony, yeah, she was a fairly normal kid, but then high school came and with high school came the lies. Just small ones at first. But at the end of her senior year, she told her first whopper, graduation time was coming

up and Casey had been chugging along like any other senior, picking out gowns and tassels and receiving gifts and sending out invitations to friends and family. As far as the family was concerned, all was well. But the day before the graduation ceremony, Casey's mother Cindy got a call from the school. They informed her that Casey would not be participating in the graduation ceremony. In fact, she wasn't even graduating at all. Casey had not earned enough credits to graduate, something she knew well in advance, but had not mentioned at all to her parents, taking the lie just up to the edge.

Well, it's almost as if she did all the fun shit and all the stuff that was easy to do and all the party stuff, all the surface stuff, all the stuff on the exterior makes it look like everything's totally normal and fine, but on the inside was harboring a super, super guilty secret and didn't want to ever deal with it, which seems to be a pattern. Yeah, maybe. I feel like the school should have told her parents a little bit before the day before graduation, but that's just me. Well, the problem is, is that I went through something quite like this.

There was a time where, I mean, I'm bad, I was bad at school, but I'm good at tests. So it's like, I would go through and like, I was really concerned if I was not going to graduate my senior year, and I was kind of wait until the very last minute to tell my parents until I pass all the tests and I graduated high school at the very end. But the problem is, is that I could see that not wanting to tell your parents, but the school also reaches out to you several times being like, this is how you can fix the problem. Right. So the problem is that they trust the students too much.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, they're talking to the kids as if they can make any sort of reasonable decision. And when you're 17, you don't, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. Well, this is probably going to be extremely not shocking, but my graduation was what I'll call a photo finish, very close to not happening. Mrs. Killsdog, Walmart teacher of the year, she let me carry singer sewing machines to her car. And because of that, I got a C and then I was off to community college.

We always make sure simple Ben can pass on because I don't want simple Ben to turn into big angry Ben. Yep. Well, I, on the other hand, was valedictorian. There was 12 people in the class. Doesn't count. Hey, if there are 12 people, hey, you know the top 10% of the class, you know how many people that was?

1.2. It was me. It was you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Casey Anthony, she was not graduating. It was the day before the graduation. There was nothing to do here, but Cindy went along with the lie.

She told Casey to keep it going, go through the motions, have the graduation party, take the gifts, but do not tell anyone that anything is wrong. In fact, when Casey's grandparents asked why Casey wasn't going to be walking in the ceremony, Cindy just brushed it off by casually saying that quote. The school had messed up. But it seems like they don't, which I think is also going to go for it. There's things about family and the very, where things don't have to be spoken about in specific terms.

I think when it came to light, in my imagine, how I imagined it went down was that they got the call, Cindy registered it and said, okay, fine, talking to the high school. I mean, obviously this is all conjecture, but I can, in character building here, which is a thing a lot when people put together the evidence of the Casey Anthony case, they don't think about the people involved. So it's like, when Cindy is sitting there, there's not like an overt, we're going to, like a meeting. There's like, like how they talk about with conspiracies happening.

They're not sitting and talking, this is what we're going to do. I feel like it's a, we're just going to keep pushing forward silently and everyone in the room is all going to acknowledge each other slightly with our eyes, but we're going to keep moving forward and acting like if everything is fine and no word will ever be said because of a word is said, the lie is then acknowledged. Like the Kennedys. Yeah. Yes.

Keep moving forward. Now, as Henry said, this is the start of a long standing pattern with Casey Anthony, but it's also a long standing pattern with the mother. Again and again, Casey takes a lie to the absolute edge that only admits to the truth when she has no choice. And even then when she has no choice but to admit it, she still tries to take the lie to the next level. She always thought that somehow, some way, she would figure out an answer.

In other words, she's a narcissistic idiot who thinks she's smart. For another example, let's go to the pregnancy of Casey Anthony. That's when she was pregnant with Kaylee. We really yada yada threw a lot there. Right to the pregnancy. There's not a lot to go on. Yeah. There's just there.

Really? Yeah. All right. What we do know is, is that she lived with her parents forever. Yeah. And when she never left the house, she just stayed there, which is another example of weird emotional stagnancy because they never asked her to leave. She just stayed there in the house and kept living and then mysteriously got pregnant,

not unlike the Virgin Mary, which was, again, a very, very interesting story. I heard the comparison. Very common comparison. Casey Anthony and the Virgin Mary. Well, she had to get her GED, you know? Okay, sure. So she was, yeah, she got, she did get her GED, but you know, she wasn't going off to college or anything like that.

Good enough to agree. Yeah. And when she was 19, her mother, Cindy, noticed that Casey had put on a little bit of weight, particularly in the belly area. Her parents confronted her about it, but Casey denied even having sex, claiming to still be a virgin. You can't even believe how empty my vagina is in my mom. It's like, I went looking up there to put a tamp on it and first of all, no period camp.

And I was like, what? Second of all, there was a mouse living in there. And I named him Frankie and he's my friend and he's the only person I ever speak to. After seven months, Casey finally admitted she had gotten pregnant. But when she and her parents went to a family gathering and people started congratulating her on her pregnancy, because she was obviously pregnant, seven months, yeah, both Casey and Cindy denied it, saying that it was quote, water weight. Yeah, but I imagine Uncle Phil has ever been like, eh, 25 pounds of watery?

Was she some kind of, some kind of water cooler in the office? I'm going to like that uncle. Maybe she was training to be a competitive eater. You've got to chug gallons and gallons of water. You do it. That's the technique. It's water and cabbage. And you can die doing it.

You'll be very careful. Oh yeah. Well, to this day, we still have no idea who Kaley Anthony's father actually is. Really? Yeah. Although we do. That's shocking. Yeah, we have no clue.

Although we do have a couple of suspects. At first, Casey told her mother that the father was a man named Eric Baker, guy she'd had a one night stand with. But wouldn't you know it? Not too long after Casey told her mother this, Casey called her mother completely distraught because Eric Baker had died in a car crash. What? Actually, I think I remember really who my, the father of Kaley was.

It was Philip Glass, he's in Canada, he lives in Canada. The composer. No, no, no, no, I also named Philip Glass. He's the composer, but tweets, he's a very funny Twitter comedian. But unfortunately, he just, let me check my phone. He just died of cancer. And the other suspect was an ex-boyfriend named Jesus Ortiz. He did actually die in a car crash, though.

How many people died in a car crash? It's Orlando. It's fucking Orlando. Remember, this is also before Uber, so people are just hammered and driving. So that is all true. So both of the people she said, or two out of the three who died in a car crash. Well, Eric is not real. Well, Eric is not real.

Well, Eric is not real. I'm already confused. Actually, Eric might be real, but... That's the ridiculous. But that's the thing. It's one of the things that Casey Anthony does, she just plucks shit out of reality to use for her own purposes, is that I think Eric Baker, a guy named Eric Baker, did die of a car crash.

But we don't know if Eric Baker ever actually knew Casey Anthony. She might have just looked in the newspaper, saw the name Eric Baker, and just was like, yeah, that's my baby father. This is why we often laugh at Mori Povich. But what he does is a massive service to society. Who is the father? Well, these people, Jesus and Eric, they're the only two people that have never been DNA tested.

And that's if Eric even existed as a presence in Casey's life during the time of the conception. That DNA testing, though, it was a few ex-boyfriends, even an ex-fiancé. But DNA testing also included her brother and her father. But that whole saga is best left for the trial, which we'll cover in episode two. We'll save it. We'll save that juicy, that juicy berry for next week. Oh, God. Speaking of which, let's get into the parents' test a little, George and Cindy Anthony.

Profession-wise, Cindy was a nurse, and George was a former cop who, in 2008, was working as a security guard at a movie theater. Exact same timeline as my father. Honestly, my father went from being a cop in New York to be to working for Wackenhut security agency because they give higher rates to former cops. Wackenhut? Yes. Wait, was this a place that Pee Wee Herman might have visited in the 90s?

What the hell is a Wackenhut? Yes. I think technically it was founded by Dave Cooley. Oh, my God. Now, George, he seems like an all right dude, but hopelessly hapless. His first wife described him as a quote-unquote nothing outside of his uniform. His own father fired him from the family business, and George's greatest aspiration in life was to be a character at Disney World.

Oh, I like him. I like him, too. I also can just imagine coming home and be like, you're nothing without the uniform! You're nothing! Yeah, and he's just like, I know, I know, I just, one day I'll be goofy, but they said I'm not tall enough. But honestly with George, I'm going to say, I'm going to go out on a limb here. There was a bit of overseeing that need to have been done in this family, and it should

have fell on George, but George was owned by Cindy and Casey. The two women in his life ran his life very deeply, and you see these interviews with him and Cindy. He mostly stares forward, patting Cindy's hand while she's saying shit, being like, maybe elves took her, like, she's just saying random ass lies the whole time, she's like, yep, yep, yep. Until later on where he snaps into action, but it's too late. Yeah, so controlled by two women in their lives, and how triggered are you right now,

Henry? I am fine with it. I feel good. I feel positive. I don't need to make decisions. It really does just seem like George Anthony, he just kind of fell into a life he never wanted. Like, you know, he didn't want to be a cop.

He wanted to be goofy, you know, like, but that would actually make I want all cops to want to be goofy because cops who want to be cops are very dangerous. I'm just saying cops that want to be goofy are not going to handle what's coming up soon. It's like, they can't handle the deep issues that are here. Their jobs are to find who stole the butterscotch and like, it's like, that's, that's, that's a good question for a cop. They can't stop a school shooter. Well, that's true.

He can't take a bullet for the president. Yeah, I want a cop that wants to be a cop, it wants to be a cop for the right reason. A cop that likes goofy. Yeah, that likes goofy. A cop that doesn't want to be a cop and actually wants to be goofy. That's a skittish cop. Anybody that wants to be inside of goofy shouldn't have a gun. Well, Cindy Anthony, on the other hand, she is a different story other than George.

Let's just say the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree here. See, it's theorized that the Anthony family was a narcissistic household or at the very least were narcissistic enablers. If you'll notice every whopper that Casey told was backed up completely by her mother and these lies were effortlessly backed up. Cindy had no problem lying to her whole family about the missed graduation or the pregnancy. Sure, the answers she gave each time were stupid, but she gave them with relative ease. She was a real Scotty Pippin.

What did Scotty Pippin ever lie about? Assist. No, I get it. This is my sports reference. I like it. That's a new person. I remember more of a John Stockton to her car alone. Sure.

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Yes. of what's happening. Just for an example, in this family, when Kaylee Anthony was born, Cindy was the first person to hold her. Like she, like it was, the baby was like, it was like, oh, we need to give it to the mother. And Cindy was like, no, I'll take it.

And she was actually quoted as saying like, it was like having Casey all over again. Weird. That's not normal, I don't know. That's not normal at all. No, no, no, that's a terrible, that's a horrifying thing to say about your granddaughter.

Strange. So many times in an narcissistic family, every smaller lie sinners around a single, unifying lie. Everything is fine. There are no problems here. And even if there are problems, we can make them go away if only we just wish hard enough.

Psychiatrists call this magical thinking. Yeah, I was gonna say, it reminds me of the Lost Boys in Peter Pan. It really is magical thinking. But I will say, remember, when it comes to actual magical thinking, it requires ritual and discipline. A part of you go back to the cast magic episodes,

it's different than just being like, I think it and then it happens. You're supposed to put practice into it. They just believe, narcissists just believe, they'll just step out and the whole world will take care of them because they're just so important. Well, it's something that children do.

You know, to greatly oversimplify it, like a narcissist is essentially like a shitty kid in an adult's body. Like they have only a sense of self. They have no sense of what's going on outside of their own little world. Now these people, they rarely ever think that they need to plan ahead for anything.

They believe that they are so important that the universe cares about them so much that everything will just work itself out in the end. And Casey Anthony lived her entire adult life by this belief. All she had to do was keep moving forward and things would all work out. The awful thing here, though, is she was kind of right.

Yeah, yeah, it completely worked. It completely worked. And also, we have a president the same exact way because you know why? When all you do is lie, everybody in the world, every quote unquote responsible member of society, their jobs are to either prove that you're lying all the time or consolidate their reality

to make it match up with your lies. So essentially, we all move towards the aggressor. Everybody moves towards the aggressor because everybody wants to be a part of their magical story for some fucking reason. And Casey Anthony is now, well, we'll get to that. All right. And with that, let's get into the two and a half years

of Casey Anthony's life after Kaylee was born and the month that shocked the nation. All right. After Kaylee died. Okay, here we go. Shocked the nation. Oh, Marcus, can we put in some like Inside Edition music? Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot.

Casey Anthony was a normal semi-hot Orlando woman in 2007, but in 2008, she just became a little bit more single. That is not far off of how Inside Edition would cover this or did cover this. Now, contrary to Casey's reputation as the worst mother in America, it seemed to outside observers before Kaylee's death,

Casey Anthony was actually a fairly good mother, at least by Orlando 20-something club kit standards. They said she was sweet and attentive, never rose her voice, and the two obviously loved each other. Like that Kaylee Anthony never showed any signs that her mother abused her or anything like that. It was always mama, mama, mama. You did make Kaylee sound Italian.

Yes. Yeah, I just feel like mama, mama, mama, mama, mama. Yeah, mama, I got to put a meatball on my face and never mind that I like him. The other thing though, if you actually read the testimony from her friends, and a part of what they, every one of the statements like, yeah, she's a, she's like, good mom.

She's like, she's always got like a book. She's got like toys, she's got toys and shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, see it's always like, Kaylee like never had any cuts on her face, and she like always had shoes on. So she's a great mom, she is great. Which like, she just kept Kaylee alive, which is great, and they did seem to get along, but she's 20,

and also the child is mostly being raised by Cindy. All right, but for the most part, this is not the worst. Yeah, she's a great, no, not at all. Like, and she'd bring the kid around, you know, to like boyfriend's houses, or like friends, or anything like that, and she'd never let anybody like smoke cigarettes around the baby. And for the most part, she was not the party girl

that the media and the prosecution made her out to be. Yeah, that was a big narrative. Yeah, I mean, she got trashed at her 21st birthday. Got to. Sure, but everyone does. Right, you're legally allowed to do it. Yeah, that's what everybody does. I was dropped into a fountain.

I'll always remember how in Florida State, the traditions on your 21st birthday is to drop you into a fountain, like this big main fountain in the center of campus. And I got so fucked up. I don't remember everything. Apparently I was carried to the fountain. Everyone's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dump him in, dump him in. And then they slid me into the water and I just laid their face down in the water, like such emotionless. You were like, do you have a history of bathing in fountains? Yes, I do. And then they just fished me out. Because they're like, he's gonna die.

Yeah. Well, furthermore, Casey's friends say that most of the time she was the designated driver. And she even like, she's that shitty friend that like yelled at you for smoke and pot, like it was the worst thing in the world. That's, she's a mother. Even before she was a mother.

She was still that friend. She's a free mother. Okay. So she was a little bit more. You'll understand once you become a mother, a being a mother is a job that's 24 seven. Yeah, interesting. But underneath that sweet facade,

there were layers upon layers of lies. For two years, Casey told her parents that she was employed at Universal Studios Orlando as an event planner. That's so close to what her dad wanted to be doing. Yes. Yeah. And this one was when she was living with her parents.

So they knew her Cummins and goings. In reality though, there was no job. And maybe it was one of those things where she said that she only got called in every once in a while. We don't know. But she was still getting dressed for work and leaving for hours doing God knows what. I think we're going to see this a lot.

This is what we see. A great deal is her keeping up these extravagant lies. Nobody really understands like, think about the size of that lie. It's so weird. Two years, five days a week, eight hours per day. You just go somewhere and you tell everybody that you're going to work.

If she was a 45 year old man with the suitcase, this would be a tragic story. This would be one of Robin Williams' last movies when he did a drama. But because it's a tiny hot girl, there's a little bit of like an anab. And everyone's like, oh, Casey, you crazy. Which means like, that lies in say.

That lies in say. That's crazy. Yeah. It's more difficult than getting a job. I mean, what do you think she did all day? She puttered back and forth. She would say stuff to her friends, been like, oh, Werka's just killing me right now.

And then like, I have to drop Kaley off at the babysitter because it's just too much. I'm so overwhelmed. And then God knows what she's doing. She's just sitting playing video games or just sitting in her boyfriend's apartment for hours. Yeah. And we're not implying that she was like doing anything

nefarious or salacious during that time. Because the beach. You don't have to. Yeah, because as we said, the party girl image was greatly exaggerated because it made for a better story. But still like two years of leaving and coming back. She even did like fake work emails

that she drafted herself. But she would write emails to herself with different email addresses that she would create to show her friends and family. It's like, no, look, it's work. I work. As with every one of these episodes, this is the point where I kind of have respect

for the monster. The amount of commitment in this situation is I'm a little bit in awe of it. Yeah. I just also want to point out real early. We've been doing some research for Ted Bundy for another project, a thing we're going to do. But a part of it is like, again,

I think with the prosecution made a whole big deal about her being a party girl, which we'll get into and how all of that is essentially fake. And she was another one of her personas. This shit is a thing that Ted Bundy would do all the time. This is a, the idea of a pathological liar, this large is to me the central issue of just being like, this didn't raise a million red flags.

Like this wasn't like the thing where it's like, well, she's never stopped lying, even ever once. Well, the Universal Studios thing, like I don't think people wanted to believe the lie. Because she would lie about something like that. That she would lie about something that big because she was doing other shit besides just drafting work emails.

Like she even took her mother out to a meeting she was supposed to have with a fellow employee that she gave, the name she gave, no shit, Juliette Lewis. Oh. But Juliette never showed up. Ah, that's too bad. It's just another example like Kasey just plucking shit out of reality for her own use.

She probably just watched like the other sister the night before was like, yeah, I'm going to meet Juliette Lewis. So you thought that she was going to a meeting with the Juliette Lewis playing her character from the other sister? Maybe. So let's get down to the day in question.

On June 16th, 2008, Cindy Anthony left the house where she, her husband, George, Kasey, and Kaley shared at 7 a.m. to go to work. George left the house that afternoon. Different timelines put forth by different people conflict here, but the last time George saw Kaley alive was either 12.50 p.m. or 2.30 p.m. But somewhere between the time that George left

and 7 p.m. that night, Kaley Anthony died. We know it couldn't have been later than 7 because that's when Kasey met up with a dude that I would hesitate to call Kasey's boyfriend. But well, anyway, Tony Lazaro. All right. Tony was not surprisingly a Long Island native going to college in Orlando at the University of Central

Florida. Oh, it's all Orlando. It just made all of the hairs of the back of my neck stand up because I just, him with the pictures of him with the backwards hat, no sleeve shirt on, just been like, babe, it seems kind of early for you to move in. Well, why no, I'm from Long Island. I don't know.

It's OK. You want to watch me spin records just here alone in my apartment? Yeah, that's sexy. Didn't you just have a kid? Well, Henry, in us talking about this, like you seem to always have something like you used to, like you were always saying like, well, yeah, well,

you know, it's UCF. Like what is it with UCF? With the University of Central Florida. He's just the leadest. He's been at FSU. No, I'm not a leadest. I'm with the Florida State University. Yeah, that's a very good school. No, it's that Orlando is one of the darkest cities

I've ever been in. The nature of Orlando is such a dark, sinister place that it's because only time I've ever been to Orlando, it's been people pulling like the mirrors off of bathroom cabinets in order to do fucking crushed up Adderall on it. Is it possible? Those are all of my memories of Orlando. Is it possible that it was just you and your friends

that made Orlando so horrible? College life in Orlando is like that. There's a lot of pills, there's a lot of weird drugs. I believe that. And especially back then, because this is like in 2000, I guess 2008, maybe that was past my time. But in 2005, when Orlando was rocking, it was disgusting. OK.

Well, Tony Lazaro and Casey, not surprisingly, had met on Facebook. And it struck up a romance just a few weeks before Kaley disappeared. This guy had only been around for a few weeks when all this shit went down. And on the night that Kaley disappeared, mere hours after the disappearance, Tony and Casey

went to blockbuster video and rented two movies. What'd they get? Untraceable starring Diane Lane and Jumper starring Hayden Christensen. I remember Jumper. Stinkers both. Yeah, well. Remember those days.

Oh, is that on your block? OK. All right, guys, let's pick it. You've just killed your son, because I'm going to say your son. Marcus, you've just killed your daughter. I've just killed my daughter. What's your bucket list movies to watch?

What are you going to watch? As good as it gets. Oh, my goodness. Good one. That's a good one. What's a movie where a kid kills their parents so I'll feel like I just saved my own life? The Good Son is close.

Maybe the Good Son. The Omen. The Omen, I would get the Omen and be like, whoo. Thank god I dodged that bullet. Yeah, my son-in-law with Pauly Shore. Oh, well, of course. That's just a classic. That's actually a fun movie.

It's a fun. I mean, all of those Pauly Shore movies are fun. Hang on. I'm a country boy. Well, both Tony and his roommate, Roy House, a.k.a. Clint, said that she's a totally different name that is also a real name that would require his name in order to be an a.k.a. My name's Roy, but my friends call me Clint.

That's not right. Why, though? They say they call me Clint because I wear nothing but blankets for shirts and my face is all scrunched up. Sounds like you're homeless and insane, Clint. Oh, my. Well, they said she showed no signs whatsoever of anything bothering her.

In fact, she seemed to go back on her previous anti-Marijuana stance and suddenly one of the guys to teach her how to smoke weed. I got to say, that is weed messes with the mind. And I cannot imagine doing that if she did it, smoking a bunch of weed. I mean, you just feel like you would freak out. My god.

Even if she didn't did it, technically. Her kid's still missing, right? Even if she didn't do it. Sure. The baby is gone. The baby's gone. You are now reliving a college experience like nothing had ever happened.

You're living with these two Long Island hot boys in a Primo, Orlando, college dorm. Not even a dorm, Primo, Orlando, apartment complex. Yeah, either way, smoking a doobie wouldn't be on the top of my list of things to do that day. You think it'd make you kind of paranoid. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, back when I smoked weed, I couldn't even

enjoy myself if I had a shitty interaction with someone that day. Right, right. But you're on a lot. We got to get you some CBD tinctures to mix with everything. I'll gig you up in a weird way, if you want. You know what, Henry?

I say we let him not have any. Yes, yes, yes. I've been doing good for a few years now. Yeah, you're doing good. I'm not going to enable you. There's a fragile balance that's happening here that we do not need to mess with. It's a very delicate soup.

Well, four days after Kaylee disappeared. And we can go ahead and say, Kaylee died. No matter what the story is, in every story it's holding, every narrative that's put forth on mid-June 2008, Kaylee Anthony died. Four days after that, Casey kicked it up a notch by participating in the infamous Hot Body Contest. See, Tony, in addition to being a college student,

was also a some time DJ and party promoter with his roommate Roy, AKA Clint. OK, and this is the time in the show where I say that's the least shocking information of all time. Question about this, is there anyone who's not just sometimes a DJ and a party promoter? Are you always, is there ever like a permanent position? Like, is there like a W-9 that you fill in a 401K program

that you have to be a part of to be a DJ and party promoter? I would say Skrillex is a full-time DJ and party promoter to use a reference from 2008. And Pitbull, I like Pitbull, remember him? Yeah, I remember him. He's a DJ. He's still doing it. Yeah, Paris Hilton, a DJ as well, by the way.

Those two guys went by the DJ names, DJ Anonymous. And that's Anonymous with the O, cleverly replacing the Y. And why? How is it clever? I don't know. Obviously, DJ Clever. He thought it was Clever. Oh, yeah, the other was DJ Beatty.

Yeah, the other one was DJ Beatty. Oh, and unfortunately, the designation of DJ names is unclear. OK. So all day long, Casey Anthony is hanging out with these DJs. The bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. She's like, that sounds great, honey. You're getting better, actually, Adam. She's taking over the whole house.

So remember, during this time, Casey Anthony is now living with two DJs. Up until this point, she was living with her parents with Kaylee. Kaylee and her just disappear. She's been there for a long time. They don't know where the hell she went. Casey Anthony has only told her friends

several weird things, leading up until Kaylee's disappearance. She was saying these weird things in text messages to her friends that her parents were going to get divorced and leave the house to her and then leave her. Out of nowhere, she texts her friends saying, hey, I got to actually get out of the house. My mom wants me to find a place to move in. And then she just moves in with Tony Lazaro,

which happened, they've met a month before. Now they're living together. She's now living a whole new life. She's taking care of the house like a den mother, is what the way, kind of the way they put it. She's washing all the dishes. She's cleaning all the purses. A DJ's den mother?

Oh my goodness. Which requires, I don't know what that requires of you. I don't know what outfit that is. No idea. Like I'm trying to put it in my mind. So on the night of June 20th, DJ Anonymous and DJ Beatty. But why would you want to be anonymous?

I just don't want to be like a well known, I just don't get anything. It should be DJ well known. Oh DJ, everybody knows me. Everybody likes my DJ music career. So on the night of June 20th, Anonymous and Beatty were hosting a hot body contest at a place called the Fusion Ultra Lounge.

As a part of that's dope Fridays. Two for one drink specials for Top Shelf Mixed Drinks. Girls are free and guys are half off till midnight presented by seduction productions. Oh my God. Very Orlando. Remember that Tony Lazaro called it all of those things. He was a part of seduction production promotions.

He called it that's dope Fridays. And he chose a location of Fusion Ultra Lounge, which also does not exist anymore. It was closed in 2009. And apparently the sushi was not very good. Oh, the sushi? So it was a sushi restaurant. It was the whole, so it's free drinks for gals,

half off for guys and sushi. Oh, the bathroom. Well, but that's on that's dope Fridays. And guys are only half off till midnight. After midnight, it's full price. Gotta get them boys in there. You should go there for Super Sad Sundays, where you really regret everything

that happened on Two Dope Friday, and then it rolls right into Monday. Super Sad Sundays is if you go in with a newspaper and a picture of your kids, you get five free beers. No, for a little bit of perspective, because I was completely unfamiliar with the hot body contest. Sure.

So Marcus, you didn't go to Florida State University, man. By the way, I'm from Wisconsin. We didn't have these kinds of competitions. We did not have these in Texas either. We had competitions where like, how hot are the nachos? Let's see if you can eat a plate of them. And then you got them for free. No, Wisconsin has the physically warm bodies competitions

where we could see which body amidst the most heat. And Marcus has the most scarecrow-like bodies because everyone has to blend in with the trees of Lubbock, Texas. Lord, that's a different beast. Well, for some perspective, let's listen to just a little bit of the 2015 Miss Budweiser Hot Body Competition

held at the Leesburr Bike Fest in Florida. I gotta say, Miss Budweiser does not give me an image of like beauty. Like, you shut up, Kissel. You would marry Miss Budweiser in a fucking second. I did marry Ben Kissel, and we were having a wonderful life. And I say, I love my Miss Budweiser.

Then you did not watch the Miss Budweiser 2015 Hot Body Contest. I would, these women are, they're hot. Okay. They got hot bodies. All right. But keep in mind that these are the big leaks of Hot Body Contest.

Casey Anthony, that was- What's the minor leaks? Casey Anthony. Yeah. No, Casey Anthony, but Casey Anthony was, she looked good. Both, I won't mention it again. All right, let's listen to this clip.

Contest in number two. Come on up here, number two. This is Helena Rotati, and she's from New Orleans, Louisiana. Splintered by Gator Harley-Davidson. Her occupation, she's a bartender. She stands five foot six inches tall. Her measurements, she said she's got a cute face,

a little waist and a big behind. That's not a measurement. Yeah. Splintered baby blue eyes. And something special about Helena. She said, don't let the mascara fool you. I can go from makeup to mud in three seconds. From New Orleans, Louisiana.

That is number two today, that's Helena. That is unbelievable. And wow, I just, we really got transported to the Orlando bar, Miss Budweiser Rotandi. So let's listen to one more, because we just have to listen to one more to really put this in Florida. Wow.

All right, number six, come on up here. Let's welcome Maddie up here on stage. She's from Tallahassee, Florida. All right. Woo! Splintered by hot leathers. Her occupation, she's a bartender. She stands five foot four.

She's got blonde hair and blue eyes. Don't move it. And something special about Maddie. She said, I have an FFSU obsession, go gnolls. Go gnolls. That's Maddie. That got the crowd going, go gnolls. That's Maddie.

Oh, it got the crowd going, but in the opposite direction, because they were in Gator country. Oh. And coming to the stage is number 57. His name is Henry. He is 33 years old and here's something special about Henry, he'll go from pizza

to his underwear in 15 seconds. Go gnolls. No matter what happened to Kaylee, Casey was participating in that kind of shit just four days after her daughter died. Red flags. Most likely conked out on Xanax, just like a lot of the other 20-somethings

in fusion ultra-lunch that night, according to another one of the roommates. Now, just to be a devil's advocate, everyone mourns in a different way. Is it possible that she was in a way, just trying to deal with the grief of losing a kid? You know, that's something that a lot of people bring up and you know, it's like everybody grieves differently.

You know, we, I mean, when we talk about like the, when the shit, the people that put forth the crisis actor narrative, you know, talk about the Sandy Hook parents and they say like, oh, they should be more upset. Why aren't they more upset? You know, of course they're probably, the kid's not dead.

And Kissel, that's Roxale, because she's completely innocent. So whatever, I mean, yes, of course that is the truth. That's how she was mourning. This is how she mourns. But a part of it too is that this was cherry-picked by the prosecution. The reason why this became such a big deal

is that they wanted to paint her moral character in a bad way during the trial, which we'll get into, but a part of that backfired. Because when it comes down to, this was, and this is a relatively isolated incident. It just was a big old one. It was just like a really big, visible one. Right, right.

Because there were pictures and she was having a fucking awesome. Blast. Yeah. She was awesome. She was the ones that set Nancy Grace over the moon with rage and anger. Well, as far as everyone at the party

who knew Kasey was concerned, Kaylee Anthony was not only alive, but in the care of a trusted professional that Kasey had given the cute nickname Zanny the Nanny. Also, Zanny is a pretty common nomenclature for a drug called Xanax. Which she was obviously hopped up on. Which I'm sure a lot of our listeners already knew.

All three of us knew that. Yeah. I took Zanny the Nanny quite a bit because you know what Zanny the Nanny does? It puts you to sleep. Yeah. It tucks you into bed real easy, especially if you have three or four of them.

If you are looking for a babysitter and somebody says, I'm Zanny the Nanny, I'll take care of your kid, just go with someone else. Well, mostly it's because if they're Zanny the Nanny, they show up with sunglasses in the back of their head like Guy Fieri. And they're like, they're all frosted tipped even if they're a woman.

And they should be like, yeah, I'll put your kid to sleep. They go, all right. Guy Fieri. I will not. The fictional Zanny had showed up in Casey's repertoire of lies not too long before Kaley had gone missing, both in statements given to her friends and her parents. There are theories why, but we'll get to those later.

The point is, Casey was the only one of her group of friends that was attached in any way. And certainly the only one attached in this new fusion ultra lounge DJ Xanax crowd. Cool. None of her other friends had kids and none of them were married. She alone had any real responsibility,

but that was before June 16th. Now she was having the time of her life. In a journal entry dated June 21st, the day after the hot body contest, Casey wrote this in her journal without mentioning any specifics. I completely trust my own judgment and I knew that I made the right decision.

This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow. Now one thing to keep in mind here though, is that there was no year on this journal entry. The prosecution maintained that it was made in 2008, but the defense said it was from five years earlier when Casey was still in high school. Now this right here is the first of many pieces

of circumstantial evidence that we're gonna go over in this series. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence implicating Casey Anthony in the death of her daughter, but that's all it is. Yeah. Circumstantial hearsay. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe not.

But what the amount of circumstantial evidence does speak to is logic and common sense. Oh, whatever Marcus. Not in the US penal system. Get those two things out of here. Well, what we're gonna find out is that this was a case made for a jury to completely misunderstand and misinterpret.

So whether the entry was made in 2003 or 2008, it's still evident that Casey was living her best life in the interim between the disappearance of her daughter and the discovery that her daughter had been missing. On July 2nd, Casey went to cast iron tattoos in Orlando and got an awful $65 tattoo of the words Bella Vida, written on her back in feminine script, complete with shitty half-assed stars surrounding it.

Did she want to like moonlight as an Italian restaurant? What the hell does it even mean? Why, what does Bella Vida mean? Oh, beautiful life. Yes, it's Italian for beautiful life. And again, what you put here, it's tasteless as fuck. Yeah. But it's not evidence of murder.

So she had a shamrock tattoo on the lower back and this on towards the top. And that's in addition to the three cherry blossoms she had on her hip. Well, we're not. Okay. Just take everything else. I do have to confront her about the tattoo choices

that she is going with here. Well, she said later that she got this in honor of Kaylee. No, my god. But that's gonna conflict completely with another one of her stories. Okay. Now, Casey was having touch-and-go contact with her parents during this time,

albeit criminal ones. On June 23rd, she and Tony Lazaro broke into George and Cindy Shed and stole a few gas cans for her car, a late 90s model, white Pontiac Sunfire. Ooh. I drove a Pontiac Sunfire for six months and it is fucking garbage.

Sunfires were a hip car in the 90s. Well, the Sunfire's like the official car of Florida. Yeah, sure. I had a Thunderbird. I had a Toyota Celica. Cool, man. Cool kids. George confronted Casey about the cans,

so she threw a fit and gave him back yelling, here's your fucking gas cans. And this incident is also indicative of the family dynamic of the Anthony's. I seriously doubt this was the first time the Anthony's had a conflict involving theft with their daughter, because George had even called the cops

about the missing gas cans. He did this on purpose. This was for a tutorial and a lesson, which we're also gonna find out as a tactic they use a lot. What I found is interesting, so while she lived with their parents, they paid for everything.

But the promise is she never wanted to ask them for money because technically she had a high-paying job as an event planner at Universal Studios. But the promise is she didn't wanna ask for gas money, so the car would run out of gas over and over again while she was driving it. So often that George had to go out of his way and buy gas cans and keep liquid gasoline in his house

so that he could go and bail her out. This happened five or six times where the car ran out of gas and they had to go fill it up and go do the shit. So this back and forth was a thing that had happened many, many, many times. And finally it got to the point where it's like, you're gonna leave without telling us where you're going.

You took, we don't know where Kaylee is, you're just gone and now you're coming and breaking into our house to steal the bullshit we had to buy for your irresponsible ass. Now I'm calling the police gonna teach you a real lesson and they did nothing. Right, I mean, I gotta say, you get to run out of gas situations in your life.

After that, it's like, unless you're on the final lap of the Daytona 500 and you're really trying to win the damn thing, you really, you should not be able to drive. Well, nevertheless, this encounter was one of the few times George and Cindy saw Kaylee in the interim between the disappearance and the discovery. The whole time, Kasey was telling her parents

that Kaylee was either at Disney World, Sea World, or Universal Studios, all with Zanny the Nanny. Jesus. Now why her parents? Also, even for a two and a half year old, that's exhausting, that is just like too much fun. Like I, that's such a, living like Hunter as Thompson and Fear and Loathing, that is not a good time.

At some point it just becomes very tiring. Yeah, it's extremely exhausting. Yeah, well what is this kid fucking Madonna? In the 80s, it's like, is she living, is it Michael Jackson? She just goes from theme park to theme park? Now why her parents didn't ask her how she could afford to pay for tickets to all these places if she's having to steal cans of gas, I don't know.

But meanwhile, people are starting to notice something odd about Kasey's Pontiac Sunfire. Kasey's brother Lee took a ride in the Sunfire during that time and noticed the car smelled just a touch like death. Kasey's explanation. It either smells like death or it doesn't. Like it's not, like just a touch of death,

it's not an ingredient. Remember again, these are your family members. They don't want to fully incriminate their family. So every single time they say this shit, it's just like the car wreaked of a dead body. That's what I'm thinking. And he's just like, I'm thinking it, I'm getting like a width of the,

like he's just like it's a glade plug-in. Yeah. With a dead foot in it. Meanwhile, he's driving the car like Jim Carrey and Ace Ventura after the window smashed out, just like desperately trying to not smell what's in the car. Well, they don't want to confirm the lie because, and they also don't want to think that Kasey is capable of something like this

because they know that she, that there's something wrong. They know there's something wrong with Kasey. I also posit that they were all scared of Kasey. I think that there is a part of this where Kasey ran that fucking house with an iron fist. This is my own personal conjecture. Also, all these things like, I believe that they just, because she would blow up every single time

someone would say something that was about, say something about the inconsistencies in her life. She'd be like, fuck yeah, you don't fucking know me. And it's like, so when everything goes to 10, how are you supposed to bring up a dead body? That's gonna bring it up to an 11, like in Spinal Town. This indie is just down in the basement watching her stories.

George is up there putting on makeup, trying to look like Mickey Mouse. And who knows what the kid, what the brother's doing. I mean, yeah, I could see that. Well, Kasey's explanation about the smell was that two squirrels had crawled up into her engine and died. Oh, so it's like that Disney movie.

Which one was that? Sword in the Stone. Okay. So Sword in the Stone is when they died of murder suicide, they did it in her fucking wheel well. Another friend, Amy Huizenga, also noticed the death scent. Kasey's excuse to her was that an animal had gotten stuck to the front of her car after she accidentally hit it.

That animal was a squirrel. Why she would tell two different stories here when one would do just fine is beyond me. And it's strange that she kept the animal the same in both stories. What's also strange is Kasey today is now said to very much enjoy taking pictures of squirrels. Was it a jump in squirrel?

How do you hit a squirrel with your car? Kissell, you don't. Go into the grill. Kissell, you don't. You know what you do? You maybe put a dead body in the truck. Oh, I see. I'm not saying she's illegal.

I'm not saying she's, I'm not saying she's guilty. Maybe. We'll say maybe. But maybe. Okay. So about a week after the gas can incident, Kasey stopped her car at a check cashing establishment at one of the busiest intersections in Orlando

and parked it next to a dumpster. She didn't go in and try to cash one of her fake checks from the job she didn't have, did she? You know what? She actually did go around town writing hot checks that month. During that time. Cause she stole a checkbook from her friend Amy Huizenga

and wrote something like $630 in checks to herself over that time period. You guys hit her currently scumbags like I was too. You guys really miss the golden age of checks. Because I used to write bad checks all the time. That's how I made, that's how I got food sometimes. So when I was really broke and living in my car, you guys write a fake check and it takes them a couple days

to realize that it's not gonna work. Oh, absolutely. And back in the nineties and early 2000s, grandmothers had that on lock. Oh, my grandmother used to write so many fake checks. Yeah. It was amazing. Kasey abandoned the car claiming that she'd ran out of gas

and the car got towed. 15 days later, George Anthony got informed that the Pontiac Sunfire had been sitting in the impound lot since June 30th. So he went to pick it up. I would have been so fucking pissed. This happens again and again and again. She's always running out of gas.

Cause that's what she said. She quote unquote ran out of gas. That was her story. And this was weeks after both Kasey's brother and her friend Amy noticed the death smell. And when George went to go pick it up, both he and the guy at the impound lot remarked on the smell. And the impound lot guy was like,

I've seen a lot of cars. Like, I know the difference between garbage and a dead body. Don't tell me what you know about bodies. All right? Because I was a cop with the Orlando PD for 39 years. And now I'm back in the game. I also think we might have to question this impound guy. What's going on?

Yeah, like Henry said, George being a former cop, he was familiar with that smell. He'd run across dead bodies before. So George walked up to the car and opened the door and got hit with what he called an unmistakable scent. Because he could smell outside of the car. But when he opened the door, it was just a waft. Right.

So George walked back to the trunk, said a quick prayer. God, give me strength that I can do this on my own. Opens up the trunk, set my daughter, set my granddaughter. Opens up the bag. It was filled with old pizza. Is that right? Pizza in maggots. Well, what the hell is she keeping the pizza in the trunk

for? We'll get to that. Now, think about that. And I know for a fact, because this is what happened. George has been sleepwalking through life this whole time being a security guard. His life's been garbage. He's getting hand pecked.

Both sides of him find his two psychopaths. Finally, he could jump back and on. She's been like, I thought I was out. And now I'm back in. And you know that the guy from the impound lot was like, because he's played by Danny Glover. And he roans in, and he's like, yeah, we're getting too old to go around this old trippie kid.

Oh, we're George. Yeah, Danny. Your name's Danny, and you're playing yourself, Danny Glover. Yeah, we're back in it. And it feels good. Well, the impound lot guy actually had sick. Because George and Cindy were like, they were looking for Kaylee.

They're like, we haven't seen her. And George is like casually talking to the impound lot guy and just mentions like, yeah, you know, we're probably going to get divorced over this. And like, oh my god. When you're telling the impound guy you're about to get divorced, you're about to get divorced. The impound guy's like, this is above my pay grade.

I am the impound guy. Can't really do any help. Well, George, he opened up the trunk, saw the garbage bag, it's full of pizza and maggots. And he's momentarily relieved. Lucky maggots, though. Yeah, pizza. You're disgusting. You're disgusting. Good day for maggots.

That's the first thing that you say. But still, George couldn't get the death smell out of his head. He drove the car home, all the windows down. And he called Casey to come over to answer for her transgressions. This was July 15th. When Casey finally showed up back at the Anthony house, Kaylee had been dead and gone for an entire month.

Wow. But the Anthony's didn't know that. As far as they knew, Zanny the nanny had been taken care of Kaylee. But they'd still been worried sick for weeks as this was the longest they'd gone without seeing their granddaughter. Of course.

Yeah, because they used to see her every fucking day. And then you think, Casey Anthony thinks she can just disappear and lie her way to it. But also, they looked, but they didn't look. They didn't really, they didn't want to look at what was happening. I don't think they wanted to find out.

So Cindy, in a nonsensical tough love bed called 911, here is an excerpt of that first call. I have a 22 year old person that has grand theft sitting in my auto with me. So the 22 year old person stole something. Yeah. Is this a relative? Yeah.

Where did they steal it from? My car and also money. Okay, is this your son? His daughter. Okay, so your daughter stole money from your car? No, my car was stolen. We retrieved it today. We found out where it was at.

Every two years, I've got that. And I've got half a day of it from my banking account. I want to bring her in. And that's the weird thing is that they don't call 911 before. Like they don't do any of that shit before. Like when the car is gone missing, they wait until she comes back.

Well, cause this was just to punish Casey. All of this is, you could see the way she's formulating the words really carefully. She's looking at Casey, being like, I'm calling the cops on you to make sure you see how serious this is. And she's saying like nonsense strings. Well, Casey's there pouting because up until this point,

no one's ever challenged Casey's worldview. They are letting her, this is the first time I'm like, well, now it's serious. Now that our granddaughter's been gone a fucking month and you stole the car. I mean, also, I know this is an extreme situation, but never call the cops on your kids to punish them because that is such a nightmare scenario for everyone.

There's other ways to do it, but this is a little bit of a different case. Yeah. So two hours went by and no cop showed up. Over those two hours. Well, it seems like they solved the case. They have the code. Well, it's like, they're she's saying like,

send the cops over so they can arrest her. You know, we're going to charge her. They want them to do, they want to do a whole scared straight thing, which happens a lot. They want the cops to come. They're going to put the handcuffs on her, put her in the back of the car.

Then they say, do you really want to press charges? And then like, should we press charges, Casey? Or have we learned from this? They want to do that whole act. Until the prosecutors just say, you know, we're pressing charges regardless. And then your kid ends up going away for five years. There you go.

Which she deserved to do. Well, I, not for, I'm not that she did guilty of anything. Because I'd steal in a car. Because I thought she did but steal a car. Anyway. Well, over those two hours,

while they were waiting for the cops, the Anthony started to put it together a little bit more. Cause remember, they hadn't seen Kaylee in 31 days. So Cindy called 911 again. 911, what is this happening? I have someone here that I need to be arrested in my home. There they are. Hi, so they're missing child.

Well, the three year old that's been missing for a month. A three year old? Yeah. Have you reported that? I'm trying to do that now, ma'am. Snippy. Very snippy phone call the way she in conversation. Also the 911 operator answered the phones like,

911, what's happening? Hey, what you, what you calling? The other thing that, so during that, the first two calls, between them two, Cindy was like, now you will tell me this instant. Where is my granddaughter? And Kaylee's like, I don't know. I don't know.

She's sick to her brother on her. Cause she's like, she always, she always will talk to her brother. So the brother went and said to me like, Casey, look what's up? Look what he did. Like according to the transcripts of what she said happened. And in his testimony, and she was like, I don't know.

I don't know. It's like Kaylee's like gone. Kaylee's gone. She's gone. Which is like, they're sitting there like, what? They're all just trying to like put it all together. And finally she's like, she's been kidnapped. And she just said kidnapped.

And then was like, as soon as she saw everybody react in a, oh, we're sad. She's like, ah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. She was kidnapped. Yeah. Well, after that call, the truth, or at least part of it slowly started seeping out of Casey. And she finally admitted, yes,

Kaylee has been missing for a full month. She's taken by the nefarious Zanny the Nanny. Wow, Zanny the Nanny took her, huh? Unbelievable. But Casey though, claimed that she said nothing because she was quote unquote, embarrassed. That, you know what? That is embarrassing.

It is embarrassing. Yeah, like when I fell down the subway steps today and I felt embarrassed and I felt like, I might've killed my kid. Like I was so embarrassed. Did you call the cops on yourself? Yeah, I was like, I feel embarrassed. I feel embarrassed.

And she also said that she was afraid that Zanny would hurt Kaylee if she told anyone. So this whole month that Kaylee was gone, Casey claimed that she was on the case. She's, meanwhile, she is hanging out with two DJs doing hot bod competitions. She's building a career. I see.

Because up until now, she does not have a career in event planning. And that's not because she can't do it. It's because she literally does not have a career or an event planner. I don't know if she's a very good planner. And now she's being, she's gonna be a party promoter, Kissel.

Okay. Well, after all that shit comes out, this is part of the third 9-1-1 call that day. 9-1-1 with your emergency. I called a little bit ago, but Deputy Sheriff Zanny, I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month and a third.

Her mother finally admitted that she's been missed. Okay, what is it? I can't hear it now. Okay, what is the address that you're calling from? We're talking about a three-year-old mother girl. Well, my daughter finally admitted that the baby's here to the store. I need to find her.

Your daughter admitted that the baby is where? That the baby's here to the store for a month together that my daughter's been looking for. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today that I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.

I found my daughter's car today and it's not like there's been a dead body in the car. Okay, what is the three-year-old's name? Kaylee, C-A-Y-L-E-E, Anthony. You can, the 9-1-1 operator is like audibly, like what the fuck is going on? Yeah, with every call that they make to 9-1-1, the operator's like, what is this?

So confusing. Yeah, now this is an extremely confusing and complicated case. Yeah, because it sounds like it's all being conducted by a pathological liar and all these people are forced to deal with it. And then, Casey gets on the phone with the 9-1-1 operator. Okay, Santa's here to talk to, they want to talk to you. Can we have a different person?

Anthony, class? Hello? Hello? Yes. Hi. Can you tell me what's going on a little bit? I'm sorry? Can you tell me a little bit what's going on?

My daughter's been missing for the last 31 days. And you know who has her? I know who has her. I've tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.

Couldn't be more filled with shit, right? I know it. And that is when the Anthony's found out that the way you get the cops to come to your house straight away is to mention the words, dead body. Ding, ding, ding. They figured it out. Yep.

And when the cops got there, Casey finally gave an actual name for Zanny the Nanny. All right. Zanida Gonzalez. Hmm. According to Casey, Zanida was a friend of a one-time boyfriend named Jeffrey Hopkins. And Zanida had supposedly sat for Jeffrey's toddler, Zachary.

But when they found Hopkins, he said not only had he never met Zanida, he didn't even have a kid. Wow. That is amazing. Do we know, is Zanida an actual name? And I mean that, like, is this? That is a name. It is.

Well, I think that is. It's a great, it's a great fake name, though, at the same time. So the next day on the 17th, Casey took investigators to the Sawgrass apartments where she claimed Zanida lived. She gave them an apartment number and even described the apartment in detail

as she was on the way. She's like, yeah, there's a drum set in there. Yeah, and Superman was on the television and Superman was there as well. He's the butler and there was a licorice staircase and you could lick the wallpaper and Gene Wilder would come up. I think that's a, you're describing Willie Wallace.

You know, I can disappear, right? Like, I can become invisible. But when the investigators looked inside this set apartment, they found that not only did Zanida not live there, but the apartment was totally vacant and had been for months. And Casey pretty much gave it a, huh, that's weird. And she switched the focus.

That is weird, Casey. It is weird. Strange. It seems like it's like a gigantic blatant lie that you just told us. See, when cops asked her why she hadn't said anything to anyone because they'd also talked to Tony Lazaro and the roommates and they said that she

hadn't said shit. Casey claimed like, no, I totally did tell someone about it. I talked to some of my coworkers over at Universal Studios about it. Oh my God. Listen to this though, Kissel. Did you know about any of this shit? I learned with the audience that was my role on this show.

So Casey took the cops to Universal, but when they got to the front desk, the security guards had no record of a Casey Anthony on their employment records. But Casey just kept the lie going and said, I do. So work here. Check again. And then finally, a supervisor was called.

And the supervisor figures like, all right, so there's a missing kid and there are like detectives here with this woman. So yeah, just let him in. And so Casey, with the cops in tow, just kind of wanders up to a floor, probably chosen at random and just starts walking down the hallways.

Oh, I know this hallway. There's diamonds on the rug and there's a lamp here and there's a lamp here. And that's Brad Douglas, Eugene Douglas, Brad, or Steve. That's my boss, Douglas, Brad, or Steve. And I know all of this. This water fountain and I have stories. Oh my.

Yeah, she's like. Wow, the balls on this woman. She's waving to people in the hallway. Like, she knows them. Hey, bitch, you know me, bitch. They look like you don't fucking know me, bitch. Of course, like people are just giving her like the, who are you?

What? Look, they have to be like so confused to be like, maybe I know you. Yeah, like it's like she's. And also there's two cops following her. She is gaslighting the entire place at this point. This is what I'm saying is that when you lie strong enough, people roll with the lies because they're just like,

they can't even believe that you're lying like that. Oh my god. Yeah, and then finally, she got to a dead end. She got to the end of the hallway. She had nowhere else to go. Oh my god. So she turns around to the cops and said, actually, I don't work here.

You can just see her staring at the wall for a moment. Shoulder slump just turns around. Sorry, it's not a lie. It's a story. Would you call Harry Potter a lie? No, because in JK Rowling's mind, Harry Potter is real. So in my mind, all of this is real and you're gone.

You're away from me, cops. We're bored. In the whole time, there's no sense of urgency. There's no concern. She's just taken it slow and she just thinks something's gonna happen. Somehow the universe is gonna save her. And then the interrogation began.

They ran at her from as many angles as they could think of. So they did a raster at this point. Almost. Almost, almost. They brought her it. They brought her it. But I like the way they did it too, where they said like, listen,

we know everything that you said is full of shit. The transcripts of the interview is kind of fun. So like, we know that you're lying. You've been lying to the fucking minute that we, since the minute we met, all you did was lie. If your kid died by accident, you can tell us. It is much easier to just tell us right now and we can deal with it.

Like we can, a lot of people, shit like this happens. It's fucked up. It's a terrible tragic accident, but we can deal with it. Right, right, right. And she's like, nah. Now? Dr. Octopus took her.

Like, you know what I'm just like, all right. Okay. She's stonewalling them at every turn. So finally they arrest her for child neglect. Cause they think maybe that's gonna rattle her. Okay. Absolutely not. Not in any way whatsoever.

Jeez. And that's when George took the detectives aside and told them that he had, quote, bad vibes about the car. But unbeknownst to George, the forensics team was already at work on the Pontiac Sunfire. They started with a cadaver dog named Garrus,

whose real world searches ran in the thousands. We're talking a very good boy here. Hero dog. Very good boy. Good boy, good boy. I don't know about the name Garrus for a dog. It's either Garrus or Jarrus. Gee, it's a professional name.

You can't have a cop dog with a name like peanut butter. Why not? It needs to have a very serious name. I guess so. Well, almost immediately, Garrus walked back to the trunk and sat down, signaling he detected decomposition.

Okay. Interestingly, that's not the only place where a cadaver dog found something in the Anthony house. The other cadaver dog does actually have a very fun name, especially for a cadaver dog. Ruffles, wrinkles, runkles. Bones. Bones is not, I would not say bones is a cute name.

Well, technically, he was sponsored by the show Bones. Oh, I see. Technically, they purchased him when they had to put advertising for the show Bones on his side. That's how the cops got the extra one. We are in desperate need of money. How could we advertise for network television?

So Bones walked to the backyard and signaled the same way that Garrus had, but when Bones went back a few days later, there was nothing. And we still don't know what that was all about. So after the dogs did their job, the police scientists went to work on the trunk. The most glaring piece of evidence

was a big stain on the fabric, just about the size of a human child. So on top of the stain, they found human hairs. So investigators cut out a portion, took the hairs and sent them out for testing. But since the 911 call, Cindy Anthony had changed her story to match Casey's. Oh my goodness.

According to both of them, Cindy had just used a figure of speech when she said that it smelled like there had been a dead body in the damn car. That is not a figure of speech. Just because you're a nurse and your husband's a former cop and you've been around dead bodies before and then you specifically said the term

smells like a dead body in there. I always say that. Yeah, one in the bush. It smells like a dead body in here. You know how that is. The smell wasn't actually from a dead body at all. The smell was from the garbage. Oh.

From the pizza. Oh, might be from the garbage if there's a child in said garbage. Yeah, they said the pizza, it was from Tony Lazaro's house because Casey was acting as the den mother. And so they had a bunch of pizza around because they're college students.

So she put the pizza in a garbage bag, put it in her trunk and forgot about it. So it smells like a dead body is a euphemism for it. It smells like a dorm room. Yeah. Okay. Yes, the pizza had rotted and become infested with maggots. She forgot about it for 19 days.

Oh, yeah. Well, it had been in the impound lot. So it had just sat in a trunk in the Florida sun for 19 days. All right. And still there'd been no sign of Zanada Gonzalez, AKA Zanny the nanny. And so the police called a press conference and alerted the media.

And the media immediately gobbled this story up, sensing another John Bonnet. Oh my goodness. But the story of Casey Anthony had an added bonus besides just the John Bonnet angle. And I'm not meaning to speak ill of the Ramses here, but Casey Anthony was young, single and kind of hot. Yeah.

And according to polls, men loved her and women hated her, but they were all fascinated. Yeah. There was nothing fuckable about the Ramses. Well, there's no sex appeal there. That's a big thing about this case too specifically. I think originally, we talked about the Ramses. And I will always believe that John Bonnet

Ramses was murdered by the government, because I think it's the saddest, funnest way to view how that crime fanned out. But the fascination here really got jumped, I think, partially because we did not have a body for so long. Yeah. And that it's easier to be fascinated with just the facts and the salacious parts of the story

if you don't have that footage of the kid being found. Yeah. This is a perfect storm right here. Perfect media story. Oh, yeah. And in response to the announcement that a little girl was missing, a company called EquiSearch from Texas showed up on the scene

and gathered a volunteer search squad of about 4,200 people. But they found nothing. They searched for weeks. I remember all of this, yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. But who had been found was Zanida Gonzalez. Then 37 years old.

She informed cops that not only had she never babysat for Casey, not only was she not a babysitter, but she'd never even met Casey Anthony, nor knew anyone who knew Casey Anthony. What are the odds that she would just get randomly made up? Her name was just made up. Dude, we're going to cover that later. It's insane.

Good, thank god. The universe. Now, cops believed Zanida and officially named Casey as a person of interest in the disappearance of her toddler. That is when the 911 calls we listened to earlier were released and all hell broke loose. You know, I just feel like when the officers release

all this stuff to the media, when they do the press conferences, I don't think it helps their case very often. No, no, I really don't know why they continue to do it. Oh, the cops did not release this story by their own volition. Now, this is already a huge local story, but when you added Cindy saying the car smelled like a damn dead body, in Casey's callous response,

you got something that can go national. Now, the reason why the cops didn't have any say in the 911 calls coming out, and this is very interesting. This is something that a research assistant, Rachel, taught me. Florida has something called the Florida Sunshine Law. This law states that all non-confidential records, including law enforcement records,

must be made readily available to the public. And that is the reason why so many of the wackiest news stories, like the ones we used to cover on Roundtable, come from Florida. It's not that Florida is so much crazier than the rest of the country. It's that reporters have more information on Florida crimes and can legally report more details.

Florida made themselves a sideshow state, whether it was intentional or not. The Florida Sunshine Law sounds so fun and nice. Like, it's nothing but sunshine. You're not allowed to fry it on Tuesdays. It's the Florida Sunshine Law. Yeah, it sounds like the Sunshine Law is like, yeah, you have to surf to work.

Yeah, but in reality, it's much worse than that. Oh my God. And around the time the 911 calls came out, Casey Anthony hooked up with the lawyer that ensured her trial will become possibly the biggest Florida sideshow ever. The inimitable Jose Baez. Yeah, man, this guy, this is a fucking sharpshooter.

She got ahold of this fucking guy. This piece of work. He has been around. Yeah, now said to be, quote, one of the best trial lawyers of all time, by Geraldo, as per Baez's website. Very good. Baez was at the time of the Anthony disappearance

just another relatively unknown and unsuccessful Orlando lawyer. Casey Anthony changed all that. Baez was the perfect person to represent someone like Anthony, just like Leslie Abraham was the perfect lawyer for the Menendez brothers. And we'll see later just how much Baez learned from Abraham.

Now, Baez was not the only publicity hound in the Casey Anthony menagerie. He was joined by a bail bondsman bounty hunter out of Sacramento named Leonard Padilla. Uh-oh, Padilla's on the case. It's Padilla, it's Padilla. Is it like Casey Dia or Casey Dilla? Oh, Padilla put up Casey's $500,000 bail

in center home with a team in tow because- This is interesting. They're like entertainment managers. Yeah. They saw the whole package. They're like, oh, fuck, this is it. We're all gonna make a fuck ton of money. And the prosecution's so full of themselves

what they're already doing. They are hanging themselves out to dry, airing all of this media shit, which we're gonna see what the consequences of it are. Yeah, they definitely- But they're like, we're gonna ride this to our own personal fortune. It was like a YouTube star.

It was great. That's nuts. So now we've got the 911 calls coming out. The kid still hasn't been found. It's found out that Xanny the nanny was a lie. And now Casey Anthony's out of jail. And that is when shit really gets out of hand. Protesters and ill-wishers showed up at the Anthony house.

Whole family showed up for this shit. Ill-wishers is a- I wish you ill. I am an ill-wisher. I wish you ill. I'm the naughty police telling you you're being naughty and you get a ticket for being naughty. It's the opposite of a well-wisher.

Okay. It's an ill-wisher. It's an ill-wisher. You don't wanna be around them. I saw footage of a couple of parents with three small children in tow slamming on the Anthony's door, demanding they come out. And when the Anthony's didn't open the door.

For some reason, I just don't think we're gonna go out. Because there's a mob out there who went to tear us limb from limb. You know, when the Anthony's didn't open the door, the mother stood outside. The mother, the family that came to yell at the Anthony's, she stood outside and read a statement from a poster board as if Casey had already been found guilty

and it was time for the victim impact statements. Wow. George even started getting into fights with people on the front lawn. And there's footage of this where there's like, you know. It's brutal. And he's got like an old man strength. Where he's like, he doesn't know how to really fight

cause it's been a while, but he's just grabbing up people. It's been like, get out of here. Get away from my family. It's really brutal. It's very like, you could see your family member doing it. Just an insane scene. And day and night, the press camped out,

waiting to see a glimpse of Casey Anthony. And according to a woman who was a part of the bounty hunters team in the Anthony house, Casey kind of loved it. What? No way. Casey likes attention. That's weird.

This woman who was a part of the bounty hunters team because the bounty hunters as a condition of them posting her bail, they were like, we need a team inside the house because they were kind of angling for a reality show. Yes. That's what the $250,000 was cause you have to pay half to put somebody up for bail.

I mean, they put you up. That's an investment. I see. OJ sizzle reel. That is like, this is how this starts. They are now a production company. Yeah. And they did actually,

they did still try to go for the pilot. I watched their sizzle reel. It is not impressive. Well, it's one of my favorite shows right next to OJ Simpson's Juiced. Good Lord. So this woman, her name was Tracy Conroy. She lived at the Anthony house for nine days and nights

in August of 2008. So she could keep an eye on Casey. She said she witnessed the narcissistic behavior of Casey Anthony first hand. One night, Conroy said that she thought she heard Casey crying in a room and thought, Jesus, finally this woman is showing some emotion. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here.

But when Conroy opened the door, she found Casey was actually laughing. Oh. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here. You guys are creeping me out, man. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here. Casey, she was on Facebook and she was just tickled pink at a message

she'd gotten from a hot guy who said, Casey, you're gorgeous. Oh my God. And she even waved Conroy over. She's like, come here, look at this. Isn't he cute? Look at that. But the days of hot guys would soon be over for Casey,

at least for a little while. The results were in on the car forensics. Cops had sent a sample of the fabric to a guy named Dr. Arpod Voss who had made himself an expert in the chemistry of decomposition. Arpod? Is this for what?

I don't like the concept of self-made chemistry expert of composition. There are a lot of unique names in this episode. Very so, yes. What is Arpod? That's a strange one. It's Arpod with an A. Huh, okay.

I don't know. I don't know. So this is Arpod Voss's doctor, excuse me, Dr. Arpod Voss's whole thing. When a body decomposes, it releases specific gases into the air. Dr. Voss claimed that he'd come up with a method to detect those gases.

And this is how it went. First, he'd seal the sample in a paint can. The vapor that, what? Yes. He's a self-made chemistry expert. He did shit he had in his house. All right, all right. This is what he did.

He's DIYing. I'm listening. But it worked. Okay. The vapor that was released from the sample was then collected and tested, separating the chemicals in the air to allow each chemical to be addressed specifically.

And boy, was there a whole lot of dead body chemicals on that trunk fabric. Is that exactly what he wrote? Dead body chemicals. Oh boy. Dead body chemicals. As Dr. Arpod, I could say, oh boy, is there a lot of dead chemicals.

I would say that maybe, maybe I farted near the sample. But that's where I put farty body chemicals down. You see, 2% of the chemicals were farty body chemicals. There was a standard 75% of dead body chemicals. There was some residual foot smell chemicals. And then there was 5% more of fart body chemicals. Towards the end there.

And then there was the hair they found. Those hairs, nine inches long, light brown and untreated, were sent to the FBI crime laboratory. The mitochondrial DNA in the hair was tested. And it was found that the only possible owners of the hair were Kaley, Cindy, or Casey. The length and the fact that the hair was untreated, however, meant that it could only be Kaley's.

The hair also had a distinct pattern. A single band of brown discoloration around the root. This band is known as a decomposition band. And it's only found on hairs that come from a decomposing body. Dr. Boss had one more thing to mention. Decomposition gases weren't the only vapors detected in the Pontiac Sunfire.

As you see in the list, it's also farty body chemicals. Thank you, doctor. There is also, I had a roast beef sandwich. Thank you, doctor. And some roast beef fumes. Technically, he's the only doctor in town, so we have to go with him. They also found traces of chloroform.

Much higher levels than would normally be in the trunk of a car. Yeah, like, no, none, none. Some can be, some can be. We're gonna end up, we're gonna have a whole lot of discussions about the chloroform on the second episode. More like Boref, okay, I'm not that.

That's it. You're doing this, are you roasting us? Ben, you're gonna have the opportunity to make that joke. You're gonna have the opportunity. More like Boref. You're gonna have the opportunity to make that joke. You're gonna have a very, you're ruining it right now

because you're gonna have like a straight, clear road to this joke on episode two. Yeah. That's pretty cool. And so on October 14th, 2008, Casey Anthony was slapped with four charges. First degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child,

and providing false information to the police. But still, there was no body. As far as Casey was saying, it was still Zanny the nanny, even though Zanada Gonzalez had been found, questioned and released and cleared completely. Everything would change though. On December 11th, 2008, when someone finally paid attention to Roy Cronk.

Nobody ever pays attention to me. It's something about my attitude and the way that I dress. Well, maybe it's my job, but people don't understand what goes into being me. A lot of effort to put on these shoes. I like them. Roy Cronk was a regular Joe utility worker who used the small wooded area near the Anthony house

as a sometime piss break spot when he was out and about doing his job. All right. And on October 11th, Roy was relieving himself when he saw a suspicious trash bag. And knowing about the Caley Anthony search, Cronk called the cops who forwarded him to the tip line, but nobody followed up on the claims of Roy Cronk.

Good Lord. So on Roy's next piss at the site, two months later, he noticed something was different. It wasn't just a garbage bag now. Some of whatever was inside had been dragged out by animals in the interim. And Cronk saw something small, round, and white laying on the ground.

Stupidly, Cronk picked up a stick and poked at it. It was pretty obvious by this time that Cronk had found a human skull, but still he couldn't help himself and stuck his stick in the eye socket and lifted it off the ground. He jumped, dropped it, and called it in. Investigators showed up and found the remains

of Caley Anthony less than half a mile from the Anthony home. Good Lord. Half a mile. 4,200 people involved in the search over three weeks and none of them found this. Wow. And literally it took a man who had to find it in the most Scooby-Doo episode way possible.

Yeah, interesting. Going out there to pee and he finds it and then just this guy. Roy Cronk is now involved in the story. Roy Cronk is now involved. He's not a hero. Absolutely not. He found it. He found it, but what he did after he found it

is going to place a, it's just going to put a big old stinking rose into the middle of the process. He's the hero we deserve. He's the hero we're going to get. I don't think he did it on purpose. He did not. No. No, no, no.

But still, when you find a skull in the woods, don't poke it with a stick. What would you do? Call a cops. All right. All right. So Kaylee Anthony's body had been placed first in a garbage bag.

Then whoever dumped the body had carried the body outside the house in a canvas diaper bag and dumped it in this small wooded area, although we have no clear idea of when the body was dumped there. Now, this little area, it's like, you know, when you go around like to suburbia or in pretty much any town in America, you've got houses, house, house, and then like, you know,

maybe 100 yards of woods, even that, maybe even 50 yards of woods. Yeah, small. This is very common in Florida. Yeah. This is very common. A lot of times they'll be housing complexes. They'll be like little wooded areas.

Normally times they'll have like a water reservoir going through there, like little kind of like retention ponds or man-made little lake kind of bullshitting things. They're technically are put in to make the housing complexes nice or they left them there. It's the whole point is to be like, look, it's like, so then they can call like this shady Glen of points out of way, like all of those weird housing

complex names. Now, here's where things get interesting. Remember Juliette Lewis? Check this shit out. This is interesting. This is good. The small wooded area where Caylee was found was between 4701 Hope Spring Drive and 4709 Hope Spring

Drive. The Anthony's lived at 4937 Hope Spring Drive. And this is something that I cannot believe hasn't been more widely reported because research assistant Rachel double actually triple checked this on multiple sites and confirmed this after I found this theory on a Casey Anthony blog. The person who lived at 4701 was named Zanaida Almotivar.

Over at 4709, that was the residence of a one Peter Gonzales. And so the mystery of Zanaida Gonzales is more or less solved. Wow. She Kaiser sozaded. That's crazy. She just did the ending of usual suspects. She just took the first and last names

of two of her neighbors, the two neighbors that lived in between the dump site of the body and hoped that it was such an odd name that she'd be able to just ride the kidnapping claim indefinitely, thinking that she was too special for something like forensics to catch up with her. Wow. Also, I can guarantee I've been in many Orlando apartments.

There was a usual suspects poster up in that apartment that she must have seen several times, many, many times. She thought about it. And usual suspects probably was played several times a week in the apartment. Oh, no. Those people did not watch movies like usual. They did not watch movies, good movies, like usual suspects.

They watched Jumper. We're getting into speculation here. No, what's really mind boggling is that according to the last census, there are only 22 women in the United States named Zanaida Gonzales. All right, so I'm not crazy for thinking it's a bit of an odd thing. It's only by sheer coincidence that one of those 22 women

happened to be living in Orlando in 2008. Wow. Weird. So in the six-month period where the body had laid there, most of the flesh had rotted off the bones in the swampy Florida summer heat. And there was no sign of trauma to the skeleton. This made a cause of death impossible to conclusively

determine. What they did have, though, was duct tape. Three strips were found. And enough was still on the front of the skull, covering the mouth to hold the mandible in place when it should have long ago separated from the skull. Later, when an FBI print examiner tested the tape for fingerprints, the only thing she said she found

was adhesive residue in the shape of a heart from a sticker that had long since fallen off and disintegrated in the Florida mud. And that's where we'll pick back up next week on Casey Anthony, part two. All right, wow, very sad situation. I wonder who did it. Well, yeah, we still have to find the real killer, don't we?

Who did it? I hope that we can figure this out next week. Dogmeat did some good footwork, and he thinks he solved the case. I will not solved, but I've actually got a pretty good working theory here for what, personally, I think, happened with Casey Anthony. Yeah, and you know who it was? Jack the Ripper.

Jack the Ripper, really? Somebody else who ever killed a wonderful Nicole Brown Simpson, if the two of them, it's got to be the same guy. Perhaps, you never know. Well, they're pretty much the same trial. I'll say that much. All right, everyone, thank you so much for listening.

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I want to thank the people over at Springfield Jack Coffee. My goodness, lots of coffee. Oh, we got a lot of coffee this week. I want to thank the people over at Springfield Jack Coffee for sending us a few bags. I also want to thank the people over at Manbot Coffee Roasters for sending us a bag as well. You know what?

Everyone who is sending Marcus coffee, do you think he needs to be awake more? Maybe send him some downers, something that can have him rest. You're driving him insane. I'll take some coffee, P.O. Box 470, North Hollywood, California, 91603, that is the LA studio mailing list. Little too desperate for it, though, I think.

So we will see if it happens. Little thirsty for that. I just want coffee. And hot sauces. People were sending me hot sauces, and I've been hot sauce crazy. I love good hot sauce. Hot sauce, too.

Oh, my god. Well, thanks so much for supporting all the shows here on LPN Top App page 7. We really appreciate it. We'll keep on bringing you. Wizard of the Bruiser. Check out Brighter Side. The movie signed with The Mads.

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And I'm not getting on Vero. What is Vero? I don't give a fuck what anybody says. It's a no social. It's a no social. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no.

I'm pretty much starting to drop down all the rest of them. I don't want to have to get to another one. Vero sounds like a man who steals your girlfriend. Vero. It is. No, I. It is. You will lose Brooke to it.

Hail Satan. Hail yourselves, everyone. Helgeen. Hail me as well. And a maghustalations. To one and all. Hey, what's up, everyone? How are you?

Oh, thank you all so much. It's time for Patreon. Shout out. Hail yourselves. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. All right.

Should I begin? I'll start it off here. Begin. All right. We got this one, fellas. His name is Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Scott Harris.

Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Scott Harris. Kayla Champine.

Thank you. Kelly Lyons. Daniel Rait. Damien Ramirez. Jesse Cooley. John Park. Alisa. Or Alisha.

Libertor. Libertor. Will Harvey. Tinsel Wolf. Rich Wren. Arula Cotton. Amy Pohannock. Dylan Doherty.

Doherty. Doherty. Doherty. Doherty. Doherty. Spencer. Security Alert. Hannah.

Nick Corrado. Gia. Gilmete. Gilmete. Kelly Levine. Laura Green. Grant Withers. Paul Patton.

Kevin Wilson. Thomas Norton. Colin B. Katie Erdahl. Thank you. Nathan Anderson. Marcy Scherzer. George Geiger.

Simon Simone Bishop. Zacarias Lopez. Lenny B. Steven Lee. A couple of rhyme moments here. That's fun. I like it. Yes.

John Marker. Or John Markucks. Or John McCurk. Georgia Grace Hayes. Sean Doherty. Andrew Springer. Madeline Hoffman. Alexandria Upton.

Matt Ray. Genevieve. Matt Ray. Genevieve Barlow. Genevieve Barlow. I hope I pronounced that right. Anthony Jaclyn Brothers. And Spencer Hughes.

Jaclyn Brothers and Spencer Hughes. Going in together. Bunny Saibohan Thompson. It's S-I-O-B-H-A-N. Siobhan. That's Siobhan. Is that Siobhan? No, it's Siobhan.

Yeah. Isn't? All right. Thompson. Cory DeVall. Brittany Phillips. Zach Brown. Kyle Andrew Mooney.

Taylor Lynn. Drew Johnson. Rachel Wei. Jennifer Seifrain. Rowan. Or Rowan Peterson. Rowed. Rowed.

Rowed. Rowan Peterson. Rowed. Rowed. Ashley Curtis. Noelle White. Andrew Novak. Kevin Packer.

Go Pack Go. Kevin Packer. And Gary Smith. Hail yourselves. Kristen Bates. Ross Roselle. Madeline Gagger. Oh.

Madeline Gallagher. I don't want to say Gagger. I'm sorry. Jacob George Reynolds. Haley McQuiston Zirkel. Britton Jean. Sirias Christian Just. Wellington Hootsier.

John Rivet. Evan Hill. Rangifer. Claire Teasdale. Allison Grigoletto. Meredith Berry. Anders Lull. Andrew Adams.

Jamie Vigil. Claire Fitzpatrick. Amanda Potter. Kerry Kurtz. Flantis 23. Gabriel Olsen. Brian Hughes. Mikey Bloomberg.

Jansky Scott. Vincent Kenny. Jay Hess. Rachel with an A.E. Two A.E.s in it. Sir Rachel. Leslie Lowry. Charlotte Cuyfo.

Or Chufo. Debra Eichstadt. Anna. Alan Yee. Christian's Story. Leslie Lowry. Charlotte Cuyfo. Or Chufo.

Deborah Eichstadt. Anna. Alan Yee. Christian's Story. Lena Kedora. Stephen R. Walden. Kevin P. Liz Long.

Jennifer Kelly. Lauren Johnquill. Who we met in Omaha. Who's been a long time fan. And she's awesome. We had a great time. Thank you. We talked quite a bit.

She sat next to us while I was slapping that burger in my mouth. Oh yeah. I was there too. Yeah. She was very nice. Matthew Lazarenko. Patrick Daniel. Caleb Edwards.

Lindy Lou. Dylan Green. Kevin Esposito. Jonathan Bouchel. And I'm done. I got Evan Wiseman. Elise McMullen. Glyne Williams.

Amber Shorrock. Carly Jerome. Sarah McKagan. Andrew Boyer. Nathan LeMay. Steven Taylor. Matt Temple. Juanita Cucaracha.

Samuel Mitchell. Madeline Vate. Amber Fordice. Nima Alizadeh. Rainbow RoboCup. Helen Hemley. Dakota Zambito. Josh Smith.

Went to high school with a Josh Smith. No kidding. It's a very common name. Josh Smith. Maximilian Murray Hill. Kaitlyn Pulheimus. Marion Wentworth. Corey Kozitz.

Sam Grantham. Patrick Clausen. Justin Gray. Erica Lopez. Ellen Swindle. Shane Bronson. Tucker Scuse. Ryan Callahan.

Marilyn Metz. Sarah Lindsay Saunders. Asher Thornton. Tyler Jordan. Kurt Johnson. Jennifer Odom. Shannon Negan. The She-Devil.

Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Let's see. Watch your footin' around that, lady. Aaron Scott. Derek Thompson.

Leanne Ondick. Corey Dubois. Rook Arendt. Leila Rees. Paul Jordan. Shane Bronson. Tucker Scuse. Ryan Callahan.

Marilyn Metz. Paul Jordan. Teresa Johnce. Suji Choi. Stephanie Wolfe. Carlos Savard. Marlo Payeja. Scotty Herod.

Tehera Cook. Deer Negard. Lauren Dahas. Shanna Sanders. Sarah Lutkenhouse. Andrew Carlewood. And Lear Ozaeta. All right.

I've got Lea Moynihan. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta.

I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. I've got Lea Ozaeta. All right. I've got Lea Moynihan. Carol Homer. Brian McLeod. Or Bryn McLeod.

Jennifer Bagwell. Hey, Jennifer. Caitlin Victoria Mallory Myers. The Wicked One. Scott Mills. Oh, look at that. Scott Mills. John Pierce Rooland.

Ricky Jones. Dennis McCusey. Jenna Lynn Weiss. Or Jenna Lynn Weiss. Yeah, there it is. Elliot Boswell. 27 raccoons. Well, that is a lot of raccoons.

Why raccoons? Ronald Barbaris. Or Barbaris. Or Barbaras. Barbas? Barbas? I could say that a bunch. Ronald Barbas.

Griffin Silby. Katie Amy Earl. Reagan Garcide. Peter Junkaj. Or Junkaj. Torsten Nacenberg. Thomas Baphomet. Is that your real last name, Thomas?

Whoa, forget it! Yeah, but it's dead. Middle day. Drew Bailey. A keel dude. A chill dude. It's a chill dude. Chill dude.

Oh, one word. You sound like you've got a fucking brain in here or something. Yeah, a chill. It's all one word. A keel dude. A chill dude. Emily Simmons. Rachie K.

Kit Oates. Hunter M. Meredith Moore. Thomas Bentley. Aliza Graham Lane. Coyle and cute. Phoebe Ballard. Simon Dacom.

Chelsea Halverson. Brandon, Brandon, rather. Brandon Petrie. Mary Van Ravensway. Alex Lowe. Erie Hashimoto. Victoria Crawford. Erin Anya.

Tara O'Brien. Band Library. So that is, that's unfortunate. I shouldn't do that. Band Library. Aidan Pinar. Christopher Rousseau. Matthew McDonald.

Paul Palmer. Look at that. Paul Palmer. Matthew Douglas. Paige Danner. Hank Bullington. I like that. Bullington.

Allie Sharp. Adam Robson. Alan Lindsay. Erin Osborn. Spencer Latour. Chelsea Houlin. Lauren Blam. Chew Toy McCoy.

Jenny. Jenny. Rebecca Schwartz. Trillion Astra. And Emmy Lou Musgrave. Hail yourselves. Thank you all so much. Liz Flannery.

Greg Cody. Pat Lowry. We have a couple of people that I know well, or sure, either through the internet or in person here in a row for some reason. Colby speaking, who pled 666. Ferry on brand. We know her. She is fashion forward.

She is, she's full of it. And she's giving it. Hail Satan Colby. Naomi Rose West. Also, hope you're feeling okay. Hello. She's got to, she's got to go fund me. So look at that.

Naomi Rose West. Yes. I hope you're doing good, girl. Mandy and Jake Donaldson. Ken Thompson. Anna Ryan. Corey Felt. Roxanne Davis.

Zach Chapman. Belisa Jackman. Mars Boudzouski. Steven Morris. Alex Alexis. Rashna Sutaria. Wes Hazard. Will Kitely.

Alex Alexis. Stacy Grillo. Adam Andrew Weisbeck. Brittany Ealy. Harrison Nelson. Daniel Gillette. Alexis Den. Anax Amanda.

Kyle Groty. Cassandra. Patricia Doody. I mean, I'm sorry if that's ruined your life. Nick Owen. Spencer James Rose. Claire McDonald. Brian Robinson.

Jeff Ladd. Casey Gresseth. Neal He-He. It's too itchy, itchy, itchy. Katie Wolfess. Paul Miller. John Orion. Savage.

Tyler Duncan. Lauren Sidney Colson. Lorraine Hinkle. Einhorn and Hinkle. Hinkle and Einhorn. It was Finkle. Lorraine Hinkle. Lorraine Hinkle.

Ah, went to college with a Lorraine Hinkle. A lot of people reminding you of other people. People. E.J. Hardin. Matt Kelly. Hum-Dee-Dee. Hum-Dee-Dee. Sylvia C.

Samantha Standridge. Tyler Osborne. Max Bones. Alexander Marquise. Natalie. Savona Bondo. Adam McWaters. Alicia Ford.

Alex Schmidt. Emily Podwiney. David Gashaw. David Gashaw. And Patrick D. Gertner. Hale Satan. And thank you for your money.

David Gashaw. David Gashaw. And Patrick D. Gertner. Hale Satan. Hale Satan. And thank you for your money. Round and all out.

I got Lily Germeroff. Amanda Woodbridge. Ruth Kaleike. Ethan Hermer. Megan Merz. Holly Ellis. Jane. Chris Ann Christine Cannon.

Possibly brother and sister. Chris Heiskel. Russell Martin. Bethany Brazel. Patrick R. Fay. He-Won Kim. Asia Kibbe.

Percy Gibroni. Sidney St. Mike Drozd. Jay Trest. Ellen Elias. Or Elon Elias. Excuse me. Connie Lingus.

Yeah. Rachel Christopher Horton. Rosemary Moore. Chris Leonard. Jesse Edwards. Samuel Lanacome Oliver. Sven Stormbeard. Aaron Jensen.

Nick Halverson. Molly Hollinger. David Steven Machuga. Marika Anthony Beamer. Jack Stone. Sam and Mandy Moody. Moody. Sam and Mandy Moody.

Cool. Holly Keese. Kaki Gorton. Sam Walker. Desiree Pebworth. The Jacketless Wonder. As the funniest superhero ever. Just like hangs out in a warm climate.

Does that mean a jacket? I like it when it's 65 and over. Sarah Kinsella. Hunter Young. Dan Sanchez Silva. Sukwa Medique. Hannah Grabner. Kerry Berger.

Anthony Carbagell. Zoe Duck. Billy Sim. Trent Nielsen. Tom Gore. Brooke Tolay. John Mangrum. Don Cribb.

Alan Tracy. Lindsay Barms. Charlotte Azeltine. Jack Hansley. And Steven Petrosky. All right. Thank you so much everyone. Thank you all so much.

I think someone put a Sukwa Medique in there. I think that's a Sukwa Medique. Sukwa Medique. Yeah. Let me see that. Hold on a second. I'm pretty certain. I'm pretty certain.

Let me just do a quick little check here. That's a cold beer joke but it's very funny. Yeah. That could go either way. Hail Satan again. Thank you for your money. We love you. Yes.

Thank you so very much. Yes. Thank you all. Hail yourselves.