Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 307: Casey Anthony Part II - The Dancing Belvins

Episode Date: March 10, 2018

On the conclusion to our series on Casey Anthony, we cover the trial itself, from the wild accusations of abuse to the complete bungling of the case on the part of the prosecution, plus we do a theory of our own. ZigZag Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Oppressive Gloom Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Hi, hello, is it the duck at doughnuts drive-thru man is there a drive-thru man available? Hello I was asking can I get a change in the order? Can I get a mix of a tuna and chicken salad sandwich? Can you mix the salads? We don't got tuna at Dunkin' Donuts. Yes, you do. You see it on the menu before you you put I want a mixture of the two, you know miss Grace. Can you just stop?

If you do not give me a mixture of the two the devil dances tonight Welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone. I am Ben Kissel with Marcus Parks wearing his ween shirt I love ween. This is one of two ween shirts. I own no kid. No one of three ween shirts. Excuse me. That's sad Okay, and we got Henry Zabrowski in Los Angeles if I could just get my hands on KC Anthony Oh in the squared circle I know for a fact I'd pin her down not push her face into the mat because I got the strength upper torso strength I got the legs of a toddler, but I got the hands of a man. Hey Nancy I got to ask you how much money do you think you made off of KC Anthony?

Millions of dollars and I spent every dollar of it. Thank God on sweatpants Most likely we suffer a crime. God wonderful performer. Great performer. I'm wearing athleisure. I have to be free for movement She definitely was cowboy boots and sweatpants. Remember that look she had? Absolutely, right and that what six security guys she had around her. She was very safe. Yes All right. We'll speak it up performers. We're on to KC Anthony part two. We'll get to the trial. My god Oh, it's it's madness. It's cheer madness. Um, I'm mad There's honestly you ever like it's nice to have like a reason to be mad. There's something that I like in my personal life There's something really fun about like pure righteous anger, right?

You know, you're right and that the other person's wrong. So you could just fucking rail on them all day long in your mind Right, but in real life, you're like I brought you your jacket KC Anthony's face if you ever just want to get mad watch the trial footage and watch KC Anthony's Reactions to everyone speaking to each other and you will fucking throw your computer out the goddamn window into the street Yeah, I watched a couple of news clips a lot of fashion Conversations sometimes she wears a low-cut V when she's feeling relaxed as opposed to a conservative conservative fluffle shirt, which he also wore an occasion breaking news

Now when we last left KC Anthony the body of her two and a half year old daughter Kaylee had just been found in a wooded area less than half a mile from the Orlando home. They shared with KC's parents KC had already been charged with her daughter's murder before the body had been found and yet it took another three years For the trial to begin. Oh, it's so boring to do court cases trials are so fucking boring Well, they're important. Yes, I guess is that what they say I watch seven hours of trial footage was she was she detained for those three years or she was just chilling She was detained. Okay. Yeah, so there were four charges the most serious of which being first-degree murder

Now some say the prosecution bungled this case from the beginning It was a bundle Trying to pin KC with a capital murder charge Should she be found guilty KC Anthony was gonna get the needle no questions asked is a after a bunch of appeals You're gonna get the needle. Oh That's what you want you on you want to get the needle. This is balloon prison Nothing more dangerous to balloon Getting the needle. They should have charged her with a lower case murder charge

Right from the start the prosecution gave themselves a case that would have to show jurors without a doubt that the evidence Showed the murder was premeditated that showed that KC Anthony deserved the death penalty, which is no easy task No, if that what happens when it starts out, honestly, I don't know so when they say at the very top we're during the like the Preliminary hearings they say they're gonna go for the death penalty and that changes the rules For the jury, no, it just changes the stakes level It changes the stakes because you know if someone is charged with say like manslaughter Then they're not gonna get the death penalty, but someone no they get a fucking heavy metal rip Like but it doesn't but it's an easier trial

Yeah, it's a much easier trial to prove because there's not as much weight the the jury does not feel like they have someone's life in their hands, you know So something with that like a first-degree murder case a capital murder case in you know a death penalty state The people are gonna take it a lot more seriously, right? Now of course a plea deal was presented to Casey as it almost always is in a capital murder trial But when the possibility of a plea deal was brought up to Casey she became Extremely indignant saying she would never in a million years admit to the murder of her daughter Wow, what do you want me to sign a plea deal? You being gay about this

No, I'm not signing a goddamn plea deal There are a thousand years because I'll never admit to murdering my daughter. That's for certain Now much has been made of the jurors on the Casey Anthony case almost as much as those involved in the OJ trial The panel was made up of nine women and eight men ranging in age from 32 to 65 and ranging from Dolt to Dullert there it is big demographics if you could get a TV show So what was it 32 to 65? Yeah, you'd be the most successful show since Frasier No, that is Nancy Grace's demo. Oh, that is her demo That's good point. Now since the case had been so widely reported for three years

Especially in the Orlando area the state took their jury pool from Clearwater, Florida because that was a whole two-hour drive away Wow, I think I'll say about Clearwater, Florida Number one Scientology capital of the world really we've known that Mm-hmm strange place beach community a lot of snowbirds means the traffic gets really bad from December to April Because that's when all the idiots from up north show up and don't know how to fucking drive All right, because they're all super aggressive Florida. You're cruising. You're from fucking, Massachusetts You're up everybody's asshole 24-7 because I know that for a fact because that's how I drive I'm not gonna. I'm a real on no

I know I'm just checking this off in my head is like what's another moment where Henry becomes his father? He referred to people as snowbirds, and he's talking about traffic in Florida The thing was though even getting the jury pool from Clearwater wasn't enough to get an unbiased jury pool Really because after three years most people thought Casey Anthony was guilty She was tried in the media for three entire years before her trial even started Yeah, I think the newsies got to Clearwater, Florida and spread the word about the trial So yes the papes and the nickels were everywhere and all of the news boy caps were found in the trash cans for many years That meant that the only people allowed on the jury had to be at least in the undecided category

If not leaning towards not guilty, which means you have to be Touched in the brain to even show up where you think be like let's give her a second chance Like if you watch everything in the first thought you'd be like I'd like to hear what the lawyers say because I trust lawyers That's the biggest flaw of jury selection where it's like do you know anything about anything about anything you don't you're on You're hired. It's the only job interview where it's like are you a total moron completely empty and shallow inside you got the job Well, I mean it is a good thing in most cases to have an unbiased jury come in Let's buy us for you. Yeah But this case with all the media attention it was something different all together

Now not all the people selected were excited to be a part of the trial one man Jonathan Green was selected Spoke to a reporter knowing full well It wasn't allowed took a contempt of court charge and happily paid the $450 fine and when the judge asked him if he was just trying to get out of the jury duty Green responded. Yeah Yeah That man is a national hero He's just a fucking guy. He's like

Yeah, so I have to go from one shitty city to a shittier city in Orlando And so that's reason I have to live in a hotel in La Quinta with a bunch of other jurors And I don't think this is gonna be you guys planting us with a bunch of tequila and giving us a hot tub to fuck With night time cams kind of jurors like I know that this is gonna be lame. So I'm up and out Yeah, and when they asked him about his decision, he just said no regrets none at all No, I'm whatsoever now to give you a scope of how popular this trial was 40 million people watched at least a little bit of it and because of how interested people were in it the news media Reported on everything they could get their hands on and because I was just thinking if I was a juror, you know what I do

Bring my own gavel. I feel like that would be kind of fun. If you just kind of gaveled every now sir Sir your cousin chaos with your tiny hammer. I need you to stop it. That is not an official gavel. Can I object? Am I allowed to object? Because of the sunshine laws we talked about last week the media got their hands on quite a lot of Information and they reported on every single tiny little bit. They got here's an example of some local Orlando news coverage According to a source who has read dozens of jailhouse notes and letters Prosecutors say they believe were written by Casey Anthony Most of them contain quote ramblings and dick of someone with a lot of time on her hands

There's also a great deal about food what to order from the commissary and when to eat Noticeably missing the source says as much about Kaylee the daughter. She is now charged with killing food What else is she supposed to talk about? It makes my brain boil After a while you're just like you fucking morons the more and more you research it like because they had three years of Shit they had to pump out right and it's just a person incarcerated So literally after like she ate lunch at noon and dinner at 430. That's basically it That's it

Well, the local news media really they hit on it quite a bit But the person who hit on the Casey Anthony trial harder than anyone else was our aforementioned friend Nancy Grace they call me in fancy Nancy. I'm the tugboat with a perm How did you describe Nancy Grace to us? If Dr. Phil himself was in the plot of the movie Juana man It's like she is the end of a Chevy Chase movie where it has led to the female persona and this is Mrs. Doubtfire 3 has her own new show

So the judge in the Casey Anthony trial was the honorable Belvin Perry Belvin. He is sassy as a mother fuck We are here in some straight zanita and Belvin there's a thought Orlando with the strangest names around. Hey, there's more to come man So judge Perry actually did a fantastic job with this trial pretty much the opposite of Lance Edo Even though the claims made by the defense were outlandish as we'll see things never got out of hand Legally and Belvin kept both lawyers on a tight leash Well to be fair a late-night spoof the dancing Belvin's doesn't really have the same ring as the dancing Edo's Dancing Belvin's actually for me is funnier. I was in a comedy room. I would choose dancing Belvin's

I actually have a very weird tangential story attached to the case so a member of Murder Fist broke up with his girlfriend in college of Florida State They will they had sort of the unspoken broke up She went and cheated on him with two men in the same night in the same The same night, I mean I guess technically it's not it's not about the sex But it's just about one of those dudes it was two guys and one goes a threesome Oh, one of those guys happens to be Casey Anthony's former

Co-worker at a TGI Fridays where she worked for like six weeks. This is true He was at present at the court case a friend of my old friend of college sent me a message saying did you this this guy? He was he was in the court case He got fined for contempt of court by certain by doing Saraptoriously giving the finger to the prosecutor as he was talking which I'm gonna do judge Belvin Then hold him in contempt of court Rails on him for 15 minutes. It's an incredible video of him just standing and be like now. Tell me sir What is the notion and meaning of the hand signal that you gave at court yesterday?

It's like and then fuck you sir. Say it again Say it again so that everyone could hear it meant it meant you wanted me to go sex myself And at court of law and it's like 15 minutes of it. It's incredible Belvin's incredible Belvin's courthouse has to be a show Now about Casey Anthony judge Belvin said he observed two sides the side that was for the jury that Wrongfully accused put upon grieving mother face and the side for everyone else It was either stone cold or even somewhat bubbly at times. Oh, we've seen her laughing

We've seen her smiling in court. Oh, absolutely. You can't not laugh at a hot bod contest We've heard that but that was never when the jury was present. Oh Belvin said as soon as the jury left the room Casey's face changed as if she was just taken off a mask Casey's appearance was also like the Menendez brothers carefully choreographed While the Menendez brothers were made to look like two innocent young boys and their pastel sweaters Yeah, they were every day was Easter in the Menendez trial Casey was made to look as plain as possible almost like an Exasperated single mother dragged in the court on a traffic charge. She doesn't have time to deal with I would also go as far to say

Invergillul white most of her clothes were white She wore a lot of things again I watched a lot of court footage and they put a lot of stuff where it's psychologically you look and see angel and she just was always just No, like you could see just be like wrong Mother lie from the prosecution like she could see her just shaking her head They should do like a queer eye for the straight guy, but like with plaintiffs And just make them all look like members of the Duggar family or something which I guess is what they went before well

Whatever they did it worked Although when opening statements began on June 6th, 2011 Nobody could predict what kind of weird shit Casey's legal team would drag out in the defense of Casey Anthony The prosecution Linda drain verdict and Jeff Ashton centered their case around three words Child-free life. It was also the name of a glade plug-in sent In their opening statements They hit hard on the image of Casey Anthony is the typical Orlando party girl yearning to break free from the shackles of motherhood Where is

Kaylee Marie Anthony day one where is Kaylee Marie Anthony she does it for all 31 days. Yeah, she hits it again and again and again, but without telling a goddamn story Mm-hmm. We'll get to it Now the murder that the prosecutor tried to pin on Casey went like this She knocked a little girl out with chloroform that she made herself

taped her mouth and nose with three pieces of duct tape to suffocate her and transported the body in a canvas diaper bag and Dumped her daughter in the wooded area near their house to the prosecution. This whole thing was a slam-dunk case They had pictures of Casey Anthony at that's dope Fridays at the hot the body contest, of course There's an ultra lounge. Yes They had the duct tape and they had the sister canvas diaper bag found in Casey's room as the one used to transport Kaylee was part of a matching set. All right But then defense attorney Jose Bayez fired back. Okay. I'm gonna put this first of all, right?

The opening statement for the prosecution. It's two hours long It is boring. It is long. It is arduous. They try to be very detailed. It makes a lot of sense. It's a mistake then Bayez Bayez rolls in and It's like it becomes the movie glory with Matthew Broderick He is an actor, right? Yeah, he seems to know what he's doing immediately He paints a picture and when he fucking drops that club of his information about George Anthony the whole room goes like They've all been here and all this other shit from it's like it's so stupid. Yeah for three years

Entertain them. Well, I think that's a back the whole media coverage I think it got into the prosecution's head as well because for three years Everybody in America or damn near everybody in America is saying the case. He Anthony is guilty, right? Like so they think like oh, yeah All we have to do is go out there and you know trot out all this shit That's already been trotted out and then everything's gonna be fine, but then Jose Bayez comes in and like Henry said drops a whole bunch of new information on a case that everybody has been waiting for That's why you play the game like her medward says no medwards her medwards her medwards

He's a coach and his name is her medward. Go ahead. Why do you play the game? Oh, okay talk to the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh Great. Oh good. Oh, you play the game. Oh, that's why do you play the game because even if you're an underdog you can still win And the Philadelphia Eagles are filled with criminals. So it's like the same Yeah, yeah, well Jose Bayez did not deny that Casey had knowledge of her daughter's death Despite Casey saying right up until the trial that it was Zanny the nanny who was responsible though Bayez opened with a whole new story His argument was that the death of Kaylee Anthony had been nothing more than a tragic Accident involving the Anthony family above ground pool. Oh, no

According to the defense someone had left the ladder down Kaylee wandered outside fell into the pool and drowned all while Casey was asleep George found the body and woke up Casey saying look what you've done Your mother will never forgive you and so on and so forth And that's when George figured he'd better cover it up to protect his daughter First he went to the kitchen and got a couple of garbage bags And he then took Kaylee's body placed it inside the bag and sealed it with duct tape Just like he'd always done when family pets died. I'm that was George's first mistake. He shaded used the patented

Zip lock ultra lock or sale here on the Nancy Gray show And that's not me being cute with the whole pet thing. That was the attorney's argument exactly George treated the body of his own granddaughter like that of a beloved family cat Definitely just like that's what grandfathers always do especially grandfather said used to be cops They always do that. Yeah, they always try to make an accident look like a murder So this really know where though this whole story came out an absolute no way so it totally shattered all of the Previous beliefs. Yeah, I'm totally and this was that this was a brand-new story line George then supposedly transported the body in the canvas bag dropped it in the wooded area near his house on his way to work and

Went about his day and that is when Casey took off for a month Now there are a few interesting things to say about the pool theory first Let's examine that very first 9-1-1 call if Cindy Anthony knew about the pool accident Why would she make the multiple calls to 9-1-1? Why would she do the tough love call? Why would she do the second call? Why would she do the third call saying it smells like a damn damn body out there? That was a euphemism for a dorm room It was euphemism for a dorm room remember that. Well, here's the answer. There's one thing we know about the Anthony's It's that they are not very clever when it comes to plans

In other words that call was not the devious groundwork for a grand alibi Absolutely, not if you listen to the calls it sounds like a flustered woman She has to call three different times because she had to make good on the other facetious like We're gonna do a grandstanding. I'm gonna teach my daughter a lesson call that was gonna be a whole theatrical movement to oh shit This is actually a real thing that I've been ignoring That's just what that's what I purposely have been ignoring And they all just fall in line with Casey's lies

Casey develops the story. Well, I'm gonna go to a chart in my mind is that I watched and listened to the interview footage from the the first police investigation in 2008 from George Lee and Casey Lee being the brother and you watch their story solidify you watch the Cindy's stories Solidify as it goes. They build it over time by as drop this shit on them as they were going into court So this was by is an idea. This was not a Casey Anthony creation Well, here's what we're about to get into the drowning story didn't come until much much later In fact Cindy Anthony It said that Cindy Anthony wasn't even told about the drowning story until three weeks before the trial began

That's a three-year gap between discovery and trial that she wasn't supposedly told what actually happened to her granddaughter Second for five days in 2009. Casey Anthony shared a jail dorm with a woman named April Whalen on Christmas date 2007 the body of April Whalen's 15 month old son was found drowned in the family pool by April's father an Oddly similar story. Okay. No, it's just parallel thinking dog meat That's just what it is. There's such a thing as plagiarism. She just yes She maybe is close to a carless man see a move, right? But there's many different material that can be made for many different walks of life You're equating someone stealing a joke stealing a storyline about a child that's been murdered. Yes. All right

So, I mean, it seems like a lot of people killing their kids there in jail. Yeah Yeah, they're not hanging out at a Dunkin Donuts except for a fact you probably hear the same stories Yeah, and in the dining area of the Dunkin Donuts the people who sit at Dunkin Donuts Yeah, I fell asleep at a booth once Third a PI who worked on the Anthony case said that he was the one who actually came up with the drowning story after Looking at aerial photographs of the Anthony home in a tabloid He said that he was looking at the photograph and he noticed that the pool ladder was down Oh, and this PI Dominique Casey no relation said he

Casey Anthony and Jose openly discussed Casey's guilt and the drowning story was agreed upon in a brainstorming session Between the three. Wow, there was another PI to name Jim Hoover. This is the problem PIs. I love them again I'm gonna go back into it. It's my fallback plan. It's what I want to do But they're not reliable. No, because you know who becomes private investigators people like me They tell stories for a living and are their cash hungry and they wanted to they this is what they this is what they do Yeah, they are for hire. Yeah, so they have no bosses So I listen to a bunch of an interview with the police with Jim Hoover Who is the other PI that they had hired to work with that was Dominic's partner?

And he's just like they literally was like zoo. Do you work for a gym? He's like me. I Work for nobody and it's just like whoa like when he said that I was like this is fucking awesome But then he goes on to say that they had a lot of talk about this and it'll be interesting about how George and Cindy were both heavily Focused on not throwing Casey under the bus, but it was a family thing So back to the trial with the death out of the way Baez moved on to the discovery of the body He claimed that Roy Cronk the utility worker who found the remains had moved the remains from another Location staging the whole thing for fun and profit. He cranked it up. He pulled a croc

Which is moving the bones of a child from one place to another. It's a very specific thing But it does happen No, Cronk did admit that he joked to his co-workers about hitting the lottery by finding this dead little girl Arjun him to not tell any of his ex-wives. Well, that is a strange bit He came to work with that day. He's a nighttime security officer, and you know, like he's got a lot of we're dealing with a lot of There's a lot of K-dotes Do you think his co-workers laughed because that's what matters That's that's classic Cronk and Cronk's estranged son did say Cronk called him in November

Telling him that his old man was gonna be famous for finding a dead girl and yes All of his ex-wives described Cronk is inappropriate with children violent towards women and undoubtedly capable of Kaylee's murder However, it seems like Cronk was just an idiot piece of shit looking for a payday And an excuse to talk to the kids who didn't want to talk to him anymore kind of like the wrestler The wrestler got him back in the game So this child's corpse can become a better father. So this is like this is technically Mrs. Doubtfire 4 There are several different

This is Doubtfire sequels in this there is nothing more Florida than finding a decomposing Corpse of a child and be like hit painter. It is like where is the compassion? Yes, just because he look for things with his piss like Gerard Depardieu looking for a bathroom in the dark Does not mean that he's a murderer. No, none of this means that he's a murderer Oh, he's nor does it mean that he moved the location of the body? What he did move though was the skull when he picked it up by the eye socket This gave the defense their first shot across the bow when it came to forensics Since Ray had tampered with the scene the defense said the whole damn thing was contaminated and all he could say was I'm sorry

He's just like I kept going like I'm sorry. I did it. I didn't know I just did it. I just like I was curious I wanted to make sure and I was like honestly when it comes down to it If it's a skull, I'm just gonna make up that I'm sure like I don't need to actually look at it I'll tell the story and they'll let someone else tell me that I'm wrong But that wasn't even the biggest bombshell from the opening statements because all this shit This is all just opening statements here Jose Wrapped up his opening statement with another page taken from the Menendez handbook Molestation always with the molestation

They didn't molest but the problem is that they told them as they were going into that day that they're like just so you know Like it was like a yada yada yada the prosecution turned to George Anthony's like they're gonna accuse you of molesting Casey you have to not React because a part of what being in the because both they were not only witnesses in the trial But there were family members of the accused so they were allowed to be in the courtroom as it happened But also anybody who's in the courtroom, which is why my stupid friend got hit with a What's the what's the term contempt of court was because he made a fucking face because he gave a finger so George Anthony's first to just sit there and

Not react which people on the on the whole don't really understand So he this this bombshells dropped saying that he molested very graphic the way he spells it out, too Like very very graphic to try to get the jury's attention And then you see George Anthony sitting there like a stone and of course people people immediately like look at that sociopath But it's like he just wasn't allowed to make a face and I'm sure and he was in a form of shock Yeah, I'm sure so now were they in on the on the accusations there were George and Cindy like all right well That's fine. We'll take the head here Oh

We got a pool idea you molested her Like why would she party no they did not know that they did not know at all like bias came out And he said that George Anthony had sexually molested Casey Anthony starting when she was eight years old You know what George Anthony? You know what George Anthony should have done there. What check, please Yeah, bias said that Casey had been molested throughout her childhood and adolescence. This is why Casey showed no emotion during those 31 days Bias claimed that years of hiding the sexual abuse going on at home from the rest of the world Trained Casey to put her emotions in the back seat where no one could see them and the death of her daughter was just another family

secret to bear So by is just basically Realized as a defense attorney and you can just make it up. You can just say it just say anything Yeah, well because the the burden of proof is not on the defense right? It's on the prosecution So we just Alex Jones to the whole thing and there's no way to disprove what he's saying again the power of lies You just got to say it and then every year everybody's got to fucking be back on their heels trying to prove that you're wrong And then he pulls the fucking brother into it, too Who's the one dude that didn't do anything? He was just trying to live his life. Yeah

He said that the brother had also been inappropriate with Casey and it was a whole familial incest thing And so it seems after this that bias was going to hit the prosecution hard with these molestation claims Just the whole time because after all like the molestation that was the centerpiece of the Menendez brothers defense But here bias put his own spin on the tactic He never mentioned it again for the entirety of the trial So it's kind of like he had no evidence for it and then nothing to back it up And it's interesting the way you say he had his own spin on it It's sound like he just started with the plan and then Casey Anthony in his way to the end of the trial

Strange no witnesses no experts no mention of it in any cross examinations The prosecution brought it up because they know they're forced to Yeah, now they have to like their first kind of validates the whole thing, too Exactly. Can I say a thing real quick? I do believe I want to believe in victims, right? I want to believe that people come forward and say that they've been They've been attacked. They've been sexually molested. I want to believe these people the victims of assault The problem with Casey Anthony is that she has already lived an entire lie For so long that it gets to this point where where where's the line where where is the line between

You have been proven to be a liar again and again and again This is a thing now that I know we are now forced to go examine because we want to believe victims But you're a piece of shit that makes this Harder on everybody else and the defense is also rolling the lie into the lie Like they're rolling all of the lies into the whole molestation thing because like well, okay Yes, she's a liar. She's been a liar and been proven to be a liar over and over again But not this time because this time the thing that we're saying happened That's why she lies. She's lying about everything else

But she's not lying about this and this thing that she's not lying about is why she lies about everything else You know when you said it rolls lies into other lies. Maybe think of cinnabons Isn't that weird? Disgusting. I thought of a cinnabon. Disgusting here Now the prosecution's first witness was George Anthony and they had to of course they had to they had to open by asking him If he had ever molested his daughter and he's like no, of course not. He's like no, sir. No, no, of course not But it was when it was Baez's turn for the cross examination Everyone expected him to just barrage George with questions about the molestation accusations But instead

Baez went for George's 2009 suicide attempt See not too long after Kaylee's body was found George Just heartbroken over the hard reality that his granddaughter was indeed dead and that his daughter was probably Responsible for it. He went to a hotel in Daytona beach Took a bunch of pills drank a lot of beer and left a note that said I needed to go be with Kaylee Oh my goodness Daytona beach Horrific time in this man's life, of course

Yeah, I mean if ended up it was just him hanging out with Zanada Gonzalez at a pool There'd be a different story altogether, but it wasn't it was not In defense, they claimed that the suicide attempt was was done out of guilt Did he did he uh, I mean he must have told people about the suicide uh, Well, they after they found him he went missing he he essentially went missing He sent a bunch of texts to people saying like goodbye I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna do it and then the cops felt like they triangulated his cell phone And they found him before and were able to pump his stomach and all that

Uh, but the defense said that George had tried to kill himself Uh, because of guilt because he had disposed of the body Uh, and by us, I mean he just hammered away this poor grieving grandfather and all the while Casey Anthony sat there just stone fucking cold I mean, but also if you're george, you don't want to see your daughter go to prison for life And she's facing murder charge. I mean capital murder. So after the molestation thing He was edging a little bit closer towards cinder away. Yeah, he was getting a little Of upset because he realized what he had finally got himself caught in. He said something in his first police

Interview where he was just like, you know how hard it is to live with two women like he said this to the cops I do believe that up to this point He thought that Okay, he thought that Casey had something to do with it But he was holding that all hope that they said all the time that maybe just maybe There was a there's some kind of extenuating circumstance There's somebody else involved by the time that this happened once that dropped on his lap He was like, oh, fuck my daughter's a stone cold psychopath

My wife who I've said several times is the mirror image of my daughter Is also a psychopath. He's fucking stuck Like a motherfucker and part of this has got to do with his silence If their entire lives and the fact that he never went Liam Neeson. There's the other thing about watching trial for fucking hours and hours I start getting angrier and angrier at George Cindy and Lee Nobody cared about the kid enough to break through the the silence that was in that house Because no one wanted to talk to Casey anthony about her fucking lies because they were afraid of setting her off So what they did was let this happen in a way. They just they don't know if he did anything

He's just kind of like what my family's weird Yeah, I don't want to tell my family's weird. I don't know. I mean George was half right go to Daytona and get smashed Just get drunk, but I mean not with the pills Don't do the pills So after the prosecution got George anthony out of the way They went into the lies the lack of emotion and all the party girl stuff all the way to be covered on the last episode And then they got into the car forensics going through all the evidence We also talked about in the first episode step by step smell stain hair, etc

What we didn't talk about though were the infamous googles You just sounded like my mom describing the internet It's full of what is this infamous google What Henry what's google? Henry Thomas, how do I search this? It's like go ogle. I don't know So March of 2008 months before the death the prosecution claimed that someone in the anthony house had made searches using internet explorer for the word

chloroform 84 times that's a lot if she did it This combined with the chloroform particles found in the trunk of dr. R pod voss was where the prosecution drove home their claim that kailey anthony was knocked out using chloroform After that was the duct tape. There were three pieces present Although investigative reports and trial testimony went back and forth between the tape being found on the skull and being found near the skull It's really difficult to pinpoint whether or not the duct tape was attached to the skull because all of the pictures I could find of the Remains and this is disgusting. They're all blurred because it's a child

So they don't want you to see where it actually was attached It seems like it got caught and whatever was left of the remains hair, which is very sad But I don't know the fact that duct tape is there at all So even so the attempted knockout line came from the medical examiner dr. G who is now 92 episodes into her show dr. G medical examiner on the discovery health channel My name is dr. Randolph gorilla and they made me change my name in order to have this television show So hi welcome to dr. G medical examiner where today I'm gonna learn how to have sex with a woman Dr. G is a woman

That's nice Dr. G said there is no reason to put duct tape on the face after they die they thought the prosecutions are like fuck yeah, that's the line that's what's gonna get them and Dr. G also said that while one piece would have been enough to suffocate the girl Casey used three to make damn sure it worked First piece went over the mouth second over the nose and just to be thorough the third Cover both and the prosecution rested they thought they'd hit one out of the park There's no way this is gonna end in any way, but victory right

That was before they were introduced to a little catchphrase. Jose Bayez cooked up to hammer away at that whole reasonable doubt thing fantasy Forensics he then pitched that show to the cw as a reality show with celebrities doing forensics at the morgue brian austin green Hanging out like they had a hot tub in the morgue Look at that. Beverly Hills 90210. Don't mind if I do So immediately Bayez went to work dismantling the forensic evidence put forth by the prosecution They got branding. He got he got he got like little code words. They got a great story

Interesting, huh? He started with the smell science of dr. R pod voss the guy with the paint cans I'll make any smell in the world. Just let me have my labs Do you want a fox smell? I can make it but not with my bots with chemicals Do you want a broccoli smell? I'm gonna need some broccoli It does seem like there there's uh, you know a little wiggle room to discredit this guy with the paint sure Yeah, there is well, but I mean bayez pointed out that this is the first time dr. Voss's method had ever been used in a criminal court And furthermore Voss didn't even have a doctorate in chemistry. His specialization was an anthropology, but to be fair Dr. Voss's work was legitimate. He worked at the famous and respected body farm in Knoxville, Tennessee

And his work on decompositional chemistry was published in the peer-reviewed journal of forensic Studies this guy wasn't fucking around Strange guy to have a first date with I mean, I imagine it's very annoying It's that guy and also when we were watching blue planet is this guy that he spends his life using high-powered microphones to Listen to coral and it's him just going like it's amazing the sounds you can get from the coral and it cuts to the sounds it is It's technically interesting but also like Shut up for an amateur wrestler like

But according to bayez dr. Voss's technique did not pass the dahlbert test What the hell is the dahlbert test as far as my understanding of it goes The dahlbert test it has to involve velcro shoes I don't know why but I feel like velcro shoes is involved the dahlbert test is applied to the dahlbert standard what The dahlbert standard is tested when an attorney races a dahlbert motion Yep, okay dahlbert motion comes when an attorney believes an expert may be unqualified. What's a dahlbert? Well, hi. Hello. My name is frances dahlbert and how we could tell if this scientist is telling the truth or not

Is that I will lay down in this pool of water and if I sink it's a lie and also I am a witch All right, it was one of those things. Yeah, it's like, you know, like the monotone rule and things like that like they just get named after people Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like nerd Some guy back in the day that made everybody stop and it's like let's talk to the scientist because it's us guys You showed up in a lab coat and everybody just assumed he was a fucking scientist dahlbert Yeah, when that's it they raise it when like when a prosecution or defense like brings in Uh an expert and the other side is like that guy doesn't know what he's talking about They raise a dahlbert motion. They should call it a dobber motion. Remember him from coach. I love dobber. He was the best

Now to counter dr. Voss the defense brought in a chemistry professor from florida international university named dr Ken Fertin I do believe the florida international university is taught in the living room of a man's house like this is not I have not heard many good things about fiu. I know isaia thomas was the coach there for a little while Didn't go well. No, dr. Fertin testified that there was no hard consensus as to what chemicals are typical to human decomposition furthermore judge peri ruled that the jurors would not be allowed to smell the air samples to decide for themselves Whether the trunk truly smelled like death or like a sack of rotten pizza Oh, then bias took aim at voss's claim about chloroform

Voss said that trace amounts of chloroform are usually found in the air in parts per trillion And that's not uncommon in the air sample from the trunk though. It was found in parts per million See, this is where trials just get bored. This is just where you just go and you're like, I don't sure Okay, as a juror should be like I need lunch. I know that I need lunch and lunch is provided What and when is it come because I know they're every hour and a half to get a break Uh juror Zabrowski, can you stop licking and eating your own chest air, please? Well, maybe if there was some kind of order for some kind of snack bowl I would be able to do my job as a member of a jury of this guilty woman's peers. Am I excused?

Did you bring your own pig in a blanket today, mr. Yes, it's a hog in a comforter Well by us counter this whole parts per million versus parts per trillion thing With a guy who said it wasn't really that weird that there was so much chloroform As chloroform is present in plenty of everyday items including cleaning supplies cleaning products. Maybe Maybe there's she was cleaning her Pontiac Sunfire, but she just missed the rotten pizza She was just cleaning around the pizza be like that's part of the trunk before the pizza. Oh, I see. Yeah, this is all before She's innocent

I see Now as far as the google searches went Cindy anthony fully behind her daughter on a lie once more said that she was the one who did the search And even then it was more of a curious accident. It's so stupid. This doesn't make sense I think this makes sense actually curious accident See the anthony family dog had a habit of eating bamboo leaves off a bamboo plant in the backyard And the dog was seeming a little lethargic So cindy

Was wondering if the leaves had anything to do with it. Do we know if the dog wasn't a panda? The dog is not a pan. Okay dog. Just dog dogs get sleepy. Yeah, that's what dogs do. They sleep 14 hours a day Cindy was wondering if the leaves had anything to do with it. So she sat down to google chlorophyll No, she would she would she would google because I know how mom's google and I'll even myself google be like Dog ate bamboo leaves bad question mark. That's how you do That's what that's how you google search something like that. All right looking for chlorophyll. Uh-huh looking for chlorophyll You know what it's more like

All right Come on Come on finish it off finish it off more like bore a fill. Yeah Yeah Oh, they said we couldn't have fun anymore. Look at that. Yeah But when the auto fill showed chloroform Cindy clicked on that out of curiosity Oh, she took one quick look at one site about the uses of chloroform in the 19th century and then moved on to her chlorophyll research

Okay The prosecution had quite a few things to say about this claim. They said that first of all Cindy was at work that day both time cards and computer records show that at the very least someone Was using Cindy's credentials on the day in question Second there was the 84 times claim remember that yeah Why would someone google chloroform out of curiosity 84 times 84 times they have ocd They're in a deep panic spiral and they're just typing chloroform over and over again or they're writing it on the walls Or they just didn't do it

Oh I like the defense in this What if what if they didn't do it? They actually have proof behind this one Oh, see that first claim about Casey about Cindy Anthony being at work You can argue like maybe you know, kid Cindy Anthony went home and you know stayed logged in at work and maybe one of her co-workers was using her credentials or whatever but The 84 times claim here's a simple answer on that one The software the prosecution used had made an error

Oh They were telling the truth the anthony family was actually telling the truth when they said they only searched chloroform once So tired It makes me so tired It's so boring hours and hour this this is why people go to nancy grace because she's making it fun and she's saying See me like that bitch another day of testimony from that bitch my favorite, bitch 84 so we got a little truth here for the anthony family. Yeah, the truth come that that this does go on the anthony family You messed this up so bad. You have no idea. All right. We're gonna get into it later

Then jose went for the duct tape He said the state had used quote-unquote junk science in their claims Pointing to the fact that there were no fingerprints present on the duct tape. However the FBI They weren't expecting fingerprints. This tape had been outside for months and 90 degree plus temperatures in florida floods Anything like fingerprints or oils would have washed off long before the body was found But that didn't stop by us. He doubled down saying that not only should there have been fingerprints That there should have been dna on both sides of the tape as well. No, it wasn't murder It was dad's old put the body in the bag and tape it up routine that produced the duct tape

Doesn't make any Disrupting plastic it was putting your poor little girl was put in a diaper bag If there is duct tape remotely attached the face of a dead little girl You think you have something to do with murder or not? It's just So upsetting I don't think I have something for you. Uh-oh What do you say about the duct tape being on the face?

If it's near the face, then that's murder. Well, I say maybe it wasn't near the face. Uh-oh See there was that claim that the tape was holding the mandible and the skull together Babayah said that that tape was just put there by copster in transit to keep it together and If you know I almost fell out of my chair. I literally just almost fell out of my chair The prosecution even during the prosecution's turn There was no consensus as to if the tape was found on the face or found near of the body so bungles

bungles Many bungles and all this was put into perspective by german doctor venus spitz So, yeah, I don't applaud too hard guess so venus spitz venus spitz spitz, okay This guy is a classic. He is very very funny Yes, well, you'll get it to it. He's been involved in crazy cases He's like very like what you'd expect a german doctor Spitz has actually been involved in an insane amount of cases from the assassination of jfk to phil speckter to of course the OJ simpson civil trial

Would just sound like he's becoming more of a suspect as far as i'm concerned. He's involved in all these cases But before you peg spitz as a scientific spoiler know that his only work on the oj civil trial was to testify That ron goldman and nicole brownsinson did indeed die from multiple stab wounds. This is very easy stuff to do I mean, I could have done that. Yeah They got stabbed Yeah, they were stabbed in the case of casey anthony though spitz took the autopsy performed by dr G apart piece by piece not that that was a very difficult thing to do because he was right the investigators half ass damn near Everything in this case

Spitz is not a bad man. In fact, he's one of the most respected forensic scientists in the entire world He's just a guy who can't stand to see bad work go unremarked right. He took the money sure But he just gave his honest opinions. He's the bummer. He's a bum. He's a bummer, but he's a scientist And so but scientists are technically supposed to be bummers and we need to count on them being bummers Yeah, right So he was just pissed off that they messed up so bad in the process pretty much Yes, I mean they fucked up everything because they thought they had a slam dunk case. Mm-hmm. They got cocky And the other scientist brought in by the defense was solid as well

Dr. Lawrence Koblinsky was actually an early proponent of using dna evidence in a courtroom But even he had to admit that unless there's a root in on a hair a mitochondrial match is the best you can do So that means that you know in court he had to come in and say like Yeah, it's mitochondrial and yeah, it was untreated and yeah It was around the same length as Kaylee's hair, but we can't say conclusively that it belongs to Kaylee But we can't but you know, but can we though that if I was the prosecutor just feel like but can we two words Consistent with that seems mean seems like a joke that people said about me Actually at all

It's it's fucked up because there's nobody because there's no murder weapon Because the prosecution couldn't put together the story and the timeline with hardcore facts The 31 days that it took for the for them to realize that she was missing changed everything Like that's that's kind of what it did. Essentially, Florida ate the evidence the swamps Hid the crimes for whoever did it. Mm-hmm. They kept using the words consistent with because they didn't have the body They didn't have the murder weapon. So all they could they couldn't say is They just had to say consistent with there was never anything conclusive for the jury no csi moment And that bullshit helped hosea bayez mislead the jury into confusing a reasonable doubt with a reason

To doubt as oj simpson prosecutor marchard clark put it in an article. She wrote about the trial Now as I said before the defense never again mentioned the molestation in the trial not even in the closing statements But there was one other thing they didn't mention at all during arguments as well the drowning No evidence was put forth and no questions were asked almost as if they'd never even brought it up in the first place Wow, did you try to read bayez's book presumed guilty? No I tried to read it and it really made me upset like I couldn't get through it. I'm trying to be impartial because she is innocent She's not innocent. She's not guilty. It's too different. She's not guilty Oh, but she it's it's I want to come out with a clear mind

But it really comes down to the fact that the I don't know man. They just didn't they couldn't put story together Yeah, they just couldn't it's very important. But hosea bayez could right especially in his closing arguments. Okay So as far as the closing arguments went the prosecution went first They repeated their whole case and went through all the forensics once more talked about the lying and the lack of emotion And then rounded it all out with one question whose life was better with kaley anthony dead And this was followed by a slideshow of pictures of kasey dancing the bella vita tattoo and so on and so forth But also remember this this is I mean this is where they fucked up obviously because I am realizing too the deeper we go into this case. It is really difficult to tell people how to grieve

And how to act Yeah, like the the fact that they pinned this whole thing on essentially slut shaming kasey And doing all like trying to paint her character is that they put it on a slippery slope Because you had to deal with a bunch of people that all sat have to sit and think about like what would I be like in total pain? Most of the time you want to try to act like nothing's happening Like I don't I mean kasey anthony did it to a sociopathic completely trashy level who hasn't partied, you know Yeah, but the youtube comments for each one of the police interviews I listened to with like lee anthony and george anthony everyone's to snap to these judgment calls of like how dare he laugh

How dare he act like this act like it's like It's really difficult to pin down what human behavior is supposed to be like and they're in the very it's very difficult to just say Hey, she just lied and families sometimes just automatically fill in because essentially it's like using the it's like what aids does to the body It's like the immune system instead of helping you is killing you. It's interesting. You know, the prosecutors also made a huge mistake gift cards Yes And in my closing arguments $25 gift card to applebees

And that's a lot actually added applebees. That's a couple margaritas and an appetizer But I guess they weren't thinking like that unlimited appetizers. It depends. Yeah Yeah, depends what day or time you go I was said with such sadness Because it's always the good ones that are limited and then it's like, oh, I'm sorry. We don't have the barata tonight It's like the why you put it on the goddamn menu if you don't have enough for me and my fucking huge family Yeah, Ben wants a one ton taco say that five times fast. I'll take it So that was a prosecution. All right, then the defense took their turn now

The reason why they didn't bring up the molestation In the closing ardent arguments was because the judge forbade it judge. Belvin made a good call here All right, because he said you didn't put any evidence whatsoever for us You didn't say anything about it during the trial and you don't have any evidence to introduce in The closing arguments so much like they just said it's as similar as if by his open of me and like and for the mall George Anthony is Frankenstein's monster How dare he is a part of the whims of dr. Frankenstein who we will hear from today in this courtroom And he doesn't show up just a man in a fucking cryptic eyepatch just sitting behind him

But there was one tiny bit of evidence for the drowning during closing statements Jose showed a picture of kailey anthony at the back door of the anthony house Opening it on her own and in the background Was the pool and with that the defense rested He literally relaxed because they were all thinking about the pool So on july 4th 2011 independence day The case was placed in the hands of the jurors

After less than 11 hours the verdict was returned On the charges of first-degree murder aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter of a child The jury found the defendant Not guilty not guilty In that footage when uh when kasey hears the not uh guilty verdict it takes a second for it to set in Yeah, and then it's a really strange smile. Yes. Do you see that? Well, yeah, because she doesn't have to have the mask on anymore. It was odd. Yeah She smiles like you never go to like get a lot of things from like target or kmart

And then they accidentally put like a spatula in there without charging you and then you can leave with it It's like that kind of smile. Yeah, you just walk a little bit faster to her car. Will you realize? She was however found guilty of lying to the cops and for that she was sentenced to four years in prison however Since she'd been incarcerated for three years awaiting trial and had earned time off for good behavior Casey anthony was let out of jail 10 days after her sentence was handed down. Wow When they asked her is why dear god? Why did they let her go? They said it was because the prosecutors had not painted a picture

There was evidence. She lied and evidence. She wasn't the greatest mom But there was no clear cut. There it is evidence that she was a murderer That's why sometimes every defense team has to have an artist Just someone to be like let's bring it together. Okay, let's all do this. They need a director need a choreographer But uh, they need a like a pamphlet that they can hand out, but I don't think you're allowed to do that either No, it's just again without a body without a method of murdering without all of this shit It's like and again It's very difficult for anybody to swallow that a mother would kill her child

But they don't really understand how far and deep narcissism can go So basically they got the party girl thing, but they didn't get the murderer part. They didn't get them They missed the big one dude Some of them even said they wished there was more evidence to put her away that they believed she had actually killed her child But the defense had introduced A reasonable doubt right in other words these jurors had something in common with kasey anthony herself They all thought they were being real fucking clever when in reality They had no idea that what they were doing. Oh, it's like hosting a podcast

Oh, yeah It was my any grand jury duty here in kings county and that I saw that on a regular basis One example was we they they arrested this guy for heroin and marijuana in a vial and the jury said We're not going to charge him for the marijuana. We'll just charge him for the heroin, but that's the big one Yeah, you know, but they were like so basically you just took the Leverage off the table to be like we can charge you for the we won't charge it for the heroin But so anyway, yeah, they were they over thought it. It was so stupid. It's all about overthinking it They allowed hosea bias to completely remove common sense from the equation

All while hosea was making him feel like they were being real goddamn smart with this decision He gave them a reason to doubt. Yes, but that doesn't mean that doubt was reasonable So Speaking of people thinking they're being real goddamn smart. Let's get into what I think happened. Oh, okay now You're gonna we're gonna let you just run through this very complicated theory of yours. It's very light It's actually very simple. Yeah, of course When it comes out to oj did it i'm not gonna be happy Well, I'll say a part of what this theory involves is again remember human factors

Lying and negligence is sire our silent killers Mm-hmm Like carbon monoxide like carbon monoxide and blood pressure. All right So here we go. Okay the marcus park's theory on kasey anthony And i'm probably not the only person out there who has this theory, but it's mine nonetheless. Okay. Yeah, this is now hours So i'm sorry. I didn't I didn't double check see if anybody I didn't have time to go through and see if anybody else Is it on the internet side about this? This is what I think George anthony and tony lazaro both reported that kaley would sometimes sleep for 10 to 13 hours at a time and wake up

With heavy black bags under her eyes not normal for a child that age Now I think it's fucking ridiculous to think that kasey anthony had the real world smarts to make chloroform at home kasey didn't have chloroform But what kasey did have plenty of access to was xanax xanny Now you may have already picked this up think about xanny the nanny xanny as we said is a street name for xanax Specifically among shitty club kids like the ones kasey was hanging out with It's very possible if not likely that kasey had been dosing her kid for weeks with that shit As xanax had just become a recent addition to her life with her new boyfriend

Tony lazaro and the club lifestyle he lived hence xanny the nanny Then there's the google searches as I said the chloroform search was made using internet explorer And that's the only thing that would really match chemical forensics with kasey, but who uses internet explorer moms Kasey anthony didn't use internet explorer. She used firefox and guess which browser history never made its way into the hands of the prosecution firefox Wow, yeah, I kiss all you're getting Now this whole firefox internet explorer thing was uncovered by a couple of keepers type people like a amateur web sleuths who met online However, this isn't just something I found on a message board

This was reported by a local orlando news station and confirmed by people within the orange county sheriff's department These two amateurs got ahold of anthony's firefox history and went to work combing every bit of it They found that on the day kaley was killed a number of interesting things happened on the anthony family computer At 8 a.m. kasey logged on to aol instant messenger and chatted up a guy with the screen name white playboy And that's spelled w-i-t-e P-l-a-y-b-o-i. Oh, he's fun. Yeah, he's super fun He wrote so what are you up to?

And that's using an r a u and the number two in place of actual words cool guy. Yeah And then kasey responded with Not a whole lot checking up on all the myspace facebook hoopla She continued the myspace facebook hoopla for several hours after that viewing over a thousand different pages Seeing all the fun her new and old friends without children were having without her child free life now available in glade At 2 30 p.m. George anthony left for work now what i'm about to say is completely true backed up and confirmed At 2 51 p.m. kasey anthony using firefox googled the term full proof suffocation Because the prosecution didn't search the firefox portion of that computer

They missed 98.7 percent of the browser history records for july 30 july 16th 2008 they bungled it now full proof suffocation could possibly be the name of a band of a friend of tony lazaro's correct But i don't think that that band existed. I don't think so. You know who knew about that full proof suffocation search jose baez No, he wrote in that book that henry mentioned earlier. He wrote in his book about the trial That he fully expected the prosecution to sandbag him with all this He thought it could be the knockout punch that would put a needle in kasey's arm But it never happened. It never came. Oh

Every day. He's just like every day gonna hit me every day when's it gonna happen bungled it They bungled it and bias like his defense for it He even admits was weak as fuck because he was gonna say that oh george anthony had suicidal tendencies So george anthony was the one that was looking up full proof suffocation But the prosecution never said jack shit and in fact completely bungled up even on the internet explorer searches 84 or what 84 or 1 they fucked up at every step of the way Now the fingers get pointed in a lot of different directions here The prosecution says the orange county sheriff's office who was in charge of extracting the data never handed it over to them

Which is true. But the osco says they didn't hand it over because the prosecution never asked for it Remember, even though this was 2010 2011 Technological know-how has made huge strides during this decade But back then do you honestly think the osco even knew there were other browsers besides internet explorer available? And besides they say the prosecution never asked for them to search suffocation The prosecution only asked for chloroform. Wow. Yeah, because they didn't understand that you could do because at the time I remember firefox was in beta testing Yeah, there was many times where it's like if you went and got it because it was same thing when I got my gmail

Like I got my name in gmail because I got an offer to beta test gmail and I just did it But there but a government agency doesn't know this shit unless they use it at home So just just check for chlorophyll. They checked the dolphin score Uh, did did or land on magic. Did they trade away for what it's ridiculous? Yep, and sheriff's captain angelo nieves called the whole thing quote an oversight an oversight Yeah, I know over saying quote This has been a real learning experience for investigators as well And honestly, isn't that enough of a punishment for us? We've learned our lesson

I think we've all just water under the bridge Uh-huh an oversight is forgetting to make flurry when you're sent out to buy your family mcdonald's dinner That's ridiculous. So here's what I think happened Casey anthony spends all morning looking at the various myspace and facebook pages of other kids and their late teens early 20s Just out having a great time on old orlando. So she had a fatal case of fomo Her father leaves for work. Casey looks over at her daughter and thinks Fuck this. I don't want this life anymore She googles full proof suffocation finds a mention of duct tape and moves forward. However, she's not a serial killer

She's taking no joy in the actual murder of her child. It's just a means to an end So to make it easier on both her child and herself She takes the kid to zany the nanny quote unquote quote unquote quote unquote Humps are full of xanax after the kids out. Casey puts the tape over the mouth and the nose then waits for kaley to expire She then stuffs the body in a garbage bag Takes it out to her car in the canvas bag found in her room and places her in the trunk of the pauneyak Sunfire when she goes to tony lazaro's house to watch jumper though The body is still there. So why did she do that?

Because anthony didn't have a plan. She never does So who knows how long that body was left in the trunk since the body was skeletonized when it was found We have no idea It's possible. Casey was driving around with the body in the trunk of her car right up until the car was towed And one detail you may have missed about that was where the car was parked It's not important that the car was parked at a check cashing place What was important is that it was parked next to a dumpster because what was found in casey anthony's trunk? garbage

It's possible that casey anthony rooted around in the dumpster found an appropriate bag of pizza and left it in the trunk Thinking a rotting sack of garbage would eventually cover up the death smell that two people by that time had already noticed But why wouldn't she just try to clean it first? Well, that's where the chloroform comes in most likely Casey anthony tried to clean her trunk to get rid of the smell and went to some cleaning products contained by admission of the defense chloroform There it is But still despite all this despite all the lying and the fuckups and the stumbles casey anthony went free

So basically you're saying that facebook is to play Yes, facebook did it again facebook has done it fucking again once thanks zuckerberg So this is my tiny my tiny rebuttals And I think that it's there. This is where again the human factor comes in I think that either She did do exactly as marcus said and drugged kaley and uh put the duct tape on her mouth and let her die I I think that that's quite possible I think it's also quite possible that she drowned and she pulled her out of the bed

The problem is and then where did the duct tape come from and the sticker that was on her face How would the sticker stay on her face? Yeah, well the sticker was also something that bias came back with because the Uh investigator had noted that there was adhesive residue of a sticker But then when they went back to look there was no adhesive residue there Yes, and the duct tape matched a rare role of duct tape that was in the house It was also on the gas cans which were a part of the gas can incident So the this shit came from the house it came it came from casey But we got to remember was that when she put

Kaley in the trunk and this is brutally sad, but it's very similar to any other serial killer This is serial killer light thinking Kaley went away As soon as Kaley went into that trunk Casey anthony and her selfishness just kept moving forward saying i'm living a new life That's an old icky life. This is just the residue of it Kaley then goes from being her little girl to being a problem There's also remember there's there's many there's many motives here to why she maybe could have killed it

It's not just because of facebook. There's also a weird thing between Cindy and Casey They had brutal fights and it's a part of the reason why they say that there were multiple calls from Casey anthony To Cindy anthony on the day of her murder that Cindy didn't answer. It's not because of some weird conspiracy It's because they were in the middle of a fight Kaley was supposed to go with them to her grandmother her her grandmother's house They were supposed to go to and have a day out with her with her great-grandparents And she said no because Kaley was gone. And so Cindy was freaking out and didn't know what was happening in the meantime So it's

It's monstrous But the kid just went into a thing and the kid got put in a bag. She can't see the kid's face anymore It was there until it started to smell. She took the bag out and dumped it as fast She could as close to the house as she could go on her travels back and forth because we also realized she has been Traveling from Tony Lazaro's house where he's just doing nothing but making mixes and playing smash brothers Which is all that he talked about in the fucking in his conspiracy in his tapes We were just like I was playing video games And case you'd like always be in the middle of some kind of like drama. She's out out there

She's like making coals outside. She'd be real secret, but I'm like I'm trying to learn how to do the mega man Explosion. Yeah, uh, and so it's It's I think you're close to it. The bag of garbage was something that she just kind of Fucking improved again. She was like fuck it. It smells because of this. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty pretty similar like lately is gone and it's very sad. It's extremely sad Yeah, how you look at that baby and want it and want to kill it I mean, it's even what you it's even possible that casey

Like, you know part of it why casey killed her was to punish the mother, right? Sure. I can see that Yeah, yeah, because of her having the baby the first place Cindy up and to that point apparently one interesting thing that lee said in his testimony was that Cindy said shit to casey along the lines of kaley was your best mistake, but it's still a mistake Kaley was a mistake. You were um, you are not raising her correctly. You know what they've had multiple talks about this She was stealing money from the parents. She was stealing money from lee There's a lot of weird shit connected to it that made it. It's like a family thing I think I've come full circle here. We got an armed toddlers

Kaley should have been armed with a little cute little guns tiny guns Tiny guns for tiny toddlers and the bullets they'd send a message, but they don't necessarily kill. Yeah So all that happened in 2011. It's 2018 now. Thank you. All right. You're welcome Where This is the cockiest you've ever been Yes, this is the one time. I know I'm right 2018. Yes. It is. I am correct on the year I'm not very confident in a lot, but I'm confident on what year it is. All right Where is casey anthony? Oh

People magazine segment. Where is she now? I know she does pop up every now and again, doesn't she? Huh as of last summer casey anthony is shacked up in a wood paneled house with the lead investigator for her defense Pat McKenna PI. What do they talk about all day? Well, he is a very died redheaded man who is in his sixties And he is living the life And if the name pat McKenna sounds familiar It's because McKenna was also the lead investigator for oj. Simpson

And in fact casey said in an interview that she can empathize with oj She says she sees quote a lot of parallels between the two of them. What could that be casey? Well, we were both athletes I just in the swim team and no one talks about that and they called me missus electricity In an exact quote casey anthony said we were both two high-profile cases where there were a lot of distorted facts I've gone through the files and I can say independently without just being biased the timeline doesn't make sense Casey, it's just we got you here. I just gotta ask you so So you killed kaley, huh?

You think you're fucking better than me? Okay How about this two games out of three we play smash brothers if you beat me I killed kaley, okay No, it is very possible that this pat McKenna guy is just letting casey live with him out of the goodness of his heart You know in florida, there's many ways to find a wife I found mine by getting her off a capital murder charge I love her claims made in lawsuits against casey suggest something otherwise Another pi who worked on the anthony case the same one who said he cooked up the drowning story

So that one night he arrived at jose baez's offices to see casey anthony running out of baez's personal office naked and giggling hot goss Yes, because casey anthony actually got sued by quite a few people. Oh, really? Why? Yeah, and this was in her bankruptcy case that all of this came out And another time this pi said that anthony refused a media interview that baez set up for to which baez replied Okay, now you owe me three blowjobs and then they laughed about it. Yep, and this is all unsubstantiated Yes, it's juicy, man. It's juicy. It's fun

No, things aren't easy for casey anthony. Her father you becoming the man for big labowski But tumbleweed rolls on It's so funny because I keep thinking of that. They did that. I thought about that all the time from uh, big labowski Her life is in your hands, dude. Like jambayas talking to the jury Her father who to this day believes that her to his daughter is 100% guilty Refuses to talk to her probably because of the whole falsely accusing him of a lifelong pattern of molestation. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, there it is Cindy on the other hand

Still talks to casey and is once again fully on her side. Are they still married? Yes, George and Cindy. Yes She believes that she quote asked god to show justice When it came to her daughter's guilt and whatever verdict came through would be god's final word on the subject Oh my yes god speaks through the legal system of florida Every time through 12 people of clear water florida. Yep. I've heard that so these days Casey says she's working for the pi. She's living with this is how she described her duties in an interview She gave last year one of the reasons i'm so good at my job is because i'm taking everything that the state Tries to use against me like my facebook and pictures

And all that stuff that they distorted I now go through and research people's backgrounds and put everything together In a good way All right Man, I just like honestly I spikes in a good way. It's a good way. She does it in a good way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Uh, she works for a pi in a good way. How old would kaley be right now? 11. Oh my gosh Oh, no, and they asked her they want to remember one of the questions

They asked her to be like and during this final interview There's a 2017 that she did that she said that and this she they asked like so What do you think kaley would be like today and she's like she'd be a total fucking badass She'd be listening to classic rock and talking to boys It's like oh god you fucking you could at least been like see it's gonna be president Like you have to like come up with some kind of she would also still only be 11. So yeah, it's raising herself Yes, and while you're fucking this private investigator who she would end up anyway Well, technically tony lozaro and then i'm also good

Tony lozaro just got out of that somehow Oh, well, he's not his life is over his life. So when you watch is his life over I think he's like when you watch kasey when you watch tony lozaro on the stand when they were talking to him about kasey Anything like her behavior you he was relishing He was trying to throw dirt on her grave. Yeah, well, you know what they I had a listener send me a I guess that he was high school friends with tony lozaro and sent me the twitter his twitter account Which i'm not gonna follow or don't do i don't blow him up I think that's like fucking awful, but his twitter bio was just let me live my life in peace

No He's he's he was wrapped kasey anthony is a horrible person who wrapped so many people into her lives and ruined so many lives I feel bad for tony lozaro because he was a college student. He'd been He's feeling piece of shit. He's been he wasn't the best dude. He's too dope. He was a fine dude. He was a fine dude. I'm sorry That's dope friday. That's dope friday. He's just having dope fridays. Yeah, he was just a ucf student Yeah, and he would he'd only been seeing kasey anthony for like two weeks three weeks something like that Damn, so as far as how the public perceives her This is the last word from kasey anthony. I don't give a shit about what anybody thinks about me. I don't care about that

I never will i'm okay with myself. I sleep Pretty good at night. She doesn't give a shit. Yeah, she's just like i don't care about anything and people say I sleep pretty good at night makes me Go insane. Yeah, and I can see nancy grace getting all buttered up. She's filling up that pantsuit every day Just like oh, just know if I was in that one room with that taut mom I would dip her and ketchup and consume her And gain her strength and give it back to the people. All right. There it is kasey anthony. Wow a lot Uh a lot to that story a ton of that story. Yeah, yeah, and there there's a lot that you know

We didn't like we covered all like the main basis But we didn't even get to the lot the I think 33 million dollar lawsuit that some crazy lady It's filed against kasey anthony because she believed the illuminati was behind the whole thing Well, you know, but then we're getting to john bennett ramsey and her murder by the surreptitious murder by the black ops government But that's the whole other story. That's another one this is uh Yeah, so why don't you just do yourself a favor and go watch all of the trial hearings that are on youtube Go enjoy yourself. Um listen to all the interviews and really um, just just get mad

You know get real mad and then try to drive her out just if you got a kid just hang out with them Yeah, or if you really are super stressed out, you know, I don't know. There's like theme parks and shit There's stuff to do. Let's go do that. There's there's stuff to do Yeah, there's stuff to do. I'm not a parent. I don't know. I don't know. No, we're not the ones that should be given Child rearing advice here. No, I just recommended a theme park But I was even thinking about this. I'm going through the whole trial and I was just like If wendy was missing for six days and I had to go to jackie and say where's wendy? It's been it's been six days since I've seen my little girl. Where's my little girl and jackie's like it's with the nanny

I would go Liam Neeson and I would have found I would have gotten to the bottom of the truth and that's just a dog It's a cute dog. So I feel like people should have done a little bit more leg work and trying to find this little girl Absolutely. All right. Well speaking of dogs. You can find me on instagram feel free to tag the dogs with the little last pup cast Scarfs, so they're so cute. They're very cute. Yes, absolutely Um, oh, yeah, what do we want to do here? So we want to thank everyone for patreon Thank you very much everybody for doing our patreon and thanks for the great response Henry and I had a chance to interview this fella from love and saucers. What was it david huggins? Dave huggins, which was so unbelievably interesting. Uh, he claims that he lost his virginity at 17 to an alien

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And uh, and uh, just so yeah everything will be fine. I guess so I believe you I believe you it has to be yeah Follow us on twitter at Henry loves you at marcus parks at ben kissle follow us on instagram at dr Fantasty at mark at marcus parks at ben kissle the number one and follow last podcasts On all the shits at lp on the left. All right, everyone hail yourselves. Hail satan. Helgi Magus dilation magus dilations take them to a theme park Hail me just Send them up for adoption. I guess

There's people who want kids you could she could have just given it to the mom You just feel like just you you raise your mom wins. Yeah. Gosh. Jesus Christ All right, see you fuckers