Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 309: Robert Hansen Part II - Gross Truncations

Episode Date: March 24, 2018

On the conclusion to our series, we cover the truths and lies behind Robert Hansen's killing spree and the efforts of the super cops who finally took Alaska's most prolific known murderer down. Digital Lemonade Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Decisions Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ O

There's no place to escape to this is the last on the left Man, I wish I had the freedom of a European listening to electronic dance music loudly and is convertible Oh, yeah, freedom ultimate freedom the convertible and the music I'm just gonna have like a neon yellow polo on and my my weird sunglasses that are shaped like z's. I love Triangle shoes have a good time with it. Why not? Welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone. I am Ben kissle with Marcus Park Hey, and we have Hollywood Henry Zabrowski out there. How you doing, buddy? I am clean I cannot take the name Hollywood Henry Zabrowski anymore. Why not Hollywood's a dirty city filled with secrets, and I am

Transparent I am transparent. I have no secrets everything you need to know about me is at your will. I love burritos Oh, I love weed. I love different types of graphic teas, and I love spring-heeled Jack coffee Actually had several pots of so far, and it is very good plug Poughkeepsie Henry Zabrowski. All right, we're on to part two. This is gonna be the last episode of this guy, right? Oh, yeah, this maniac Robert Hansen. We're going back to Alaska this guy. He's you know, I'm gonna call him He's a stooge. Yeah, stooge is really good. I'm a stew. Yeah, I do the Norm MacDonald. He's a real jerk So on our first episode we began with an exaggerated true crime narration of the final day of Robert Hansen's serial killing career But on this episode we're gonna tell the truth. Oh, best as we can from the information available to us

We're gonna do that thing. We've been trying to do all along I think that it's important to remember that a lot of times when you get information It's been trumped up to entertain you and we're not trying to entertain you to know if you for a moment feel entertained We've done something wrong. I didn't want you that I didn't want you to have that experience What we want you to do technically we're gonna be popping some bubbles today, and I know that it's not supposed to be fun The the rumors about Robert Hansen are not technically fun. They are not fun They're not fun But we are going to pop these bubbles a little bit because he's not quite as evil as he seems and that's fun

Yeah Now one of the things we're gonna find out in the conclusion of this series is that the mass media true crime Journalism version of Robert Hansen is full of half-truths assumptions and gross truncations No Can we be sued for libel if you say the word gross truncation sounds like a weird disease But that's how a lot of these serial killer stories are it's not that the Robert Hansen story isn't a good one It is it's just not movie good according to the movie of the frozen ground which we know that for a fact Yes, they did. However, that didn't stop them from making a movie

There will be speculation today, but when we do engage we're gonna make sure you know what it is that we're doing We're gonna make sure you know that's what we're doing now when Hansen said that when he started going out and picking up women He never actually intended to kill them In fact, he said it was never the plan to kill any of these women ever even while his body count was rising His excuse for everything was that he'd only kill his victims if they didn't do exactly what he wanted them to do If things didn't go according to Hansen's fantasy, then that's when things would go south and this is extremely common among serial killers specifically ones who pround sex workers in order for them to feel okay with what they do Because they do know the difference between right and wrong Robert Hansen himself said he knew the difference between right and wrong

Oh, yeah, these guys have to essentially create a betrayal that needs to be avenged You know that is one thing about bakers. They know the difference between good and bad They do because one's got a soggy bottom and one has a crisp Break to it. Oh, you could taste the letters of butter That was put into it because it must be cold when he fell the better. I'm sorry I mean Mary Berry I love that, but if you You want to do yourself a terrible favor and go through the incels world Which I found myself into a deep deep hole in you're gonna see that that's actually a very common thing

This idea of creating a the world is out to get me. This is a I create all the reasons why I Am a terrible person and that's kind of what he did He built this whole story like what they talk about with the white knights and incels and the concept of the black pill the incels Those are people they're they're virgins, right involuntarily celibate. That's what incels stands for The sad world I stumbled on it for about five minutes and then I quickly jumped off Hansen said that throughout his active period which spanned over a decade He took over 50 women out into the Alaskan wilderness and of those 50 17 committed his version of a betrayal and were murdered

And you might think that because of this women in the trade would have started talking to each other about the crater face with A stutter don't go with that guy, right? But you got to remember Robert Picton who racked up a body count more than twice the size of Hansen's over a much longer period of Time was well known in the Vancouver scene as someone who tended to be around when girls disappeared and yet women still went with him Well, you know what it is. There's a lot of losers that are out there hanging around with the sex workers There are a lot of weird guys with facial tics or burns or like Backwards feet like guys that have like had bad lives It's like so they show up and a lot of times they're there often very vulnerable and they show up this speak with sex workers

So they know it's just like well this guy is kind of weird, but he's not dangerous weird And he would appear Robert Hansen would appear different to each woman because a part of it was the the way he Attracted them the way he would build a story around them and depending on whether or not they were giving into his weird Romantic plot that he felt that he was a part of because sometimes people can read that instinctively in somebody I believe it's like with like Robert Hansen. They saw like oh this guy's this is his whole thing He's gonna pretend like this is a girlfriend boyfriend thing And I'm just gonna take money without mentioning it and they get away with it And I imagine that's actually very attractive where it's like this guy

It's like well essentially you can milk this fucking idiot for a bunch of money if you play his weird interior game I'm just thinking about a guy with backwards feet. Just sort of one tear in his eye Just being like I'm a good person Why am I being thrown in with all of these other people? I just have backwards feet I'd never wanted to look into the haunted mirror. It was put into my Airbnb by the owner Poor guy if you're out there with backwards feet, we support you Of course you're a good person now in Anchorage Things were even worse than they were in a place like Vancouver because of the higher turnover and talent now

I wouldn't be surprised if these strip clubs had a completely new dancing roster every six months Plus they were a hell of a lot of strip clubs for a town as small as Anchorage There's about like a hundred and fifty thousand people. It sounds like a great time It sounds like Kissel you'd become mayor in like six weeks. Maybe yeah a place for a cold bachelor party Besides the strip clubs we mentioned last week There were still others like the wild cherry club Good times and the worst name for a strip club. I've ever heard Murphy's law Well, that's good because a lot of those people are studying to become lawyers and that's true. Yeah

Murphy's law at least it sets your expectations low. That's anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Is that correct? Yep, that's correct. No kidding That is that is the worst name possible by the way in Sheboygan true crime news They happen to rest at the person who is stuffing 20 ounce cans of Pepsi down women's toilets But they are looking for him. That is it. That's a Sheboygan true crime story I don't know if we'll keep that in or not, but that is happening right now Austin. They found the bomber They have not found the toilet stuffer Sheboygan, Wisconsin, so I've been catching up on my Sheboygan, Wisconsin news

No in addition to the prevalence of strip clubs in the high turnover Hanson was extremely careful when it came to his behavior within city limits And he may have had a low IQ, but like Gary Ridgway Hanson's intelligence didn't necessarily translate to standardized tests Oh, they don't standardized test hunting and killing sex workers in the woods No, no, no, no, that's just the standardized test comes from if you call in a person's house And it looks like a place where like if an antelope walked into your living room It would be violently scared like it has to be filled with trophies A Robert Hanson had a full array of disguises complete with skin adhesives nail polish and a fake mustache

But the funny thing was it seemed like Hanson mostly used the disguises to bolster his self-esteem Oh my goodness. The best part about this is that when I put on the mustache I could be Anybody look I'm I'm the guy from Cheers now my sash is off. I'm back to be an old stupid Robert Put it back on Robert. Oh, I'm the funny guy from Cheers No, the disguises did serve the purpose of hiding his identity But Hanson also had this to say about his fake mustache Well, I'm not the most Handsome guy in the world. I thought it would be easier as a matter of fact. I even tried to grow one for a while

I could never grow one. I Looked like a tiny dog when I grow one. I just got no middle part Everyone knows the middle parts the strongest part because oh the great Adolf Hitler had such a thick middle part He did he had the old reverse chaplain going on No, while that may be a little goofy Hanson was actually smart and that he never used overly Ostentatious outfits to disguise himself just the mustache It's very difficult to go out and all the girls are like hey You may want to avoid the guy

dressed as Dora the Explorer That shows up in the Jeep You want to come on an adventure with me? Oh Oh, we're gonna look at El Mapo, and we're gonna go all over the world learning about Spanish and my tiny backpack Nothing to see here Nothing at all So he's looking like a Tony Clifton type. Well, no He's he would just always dress as something boring like he would say he was a doctor a lawyer

Photographer something like that. He put on like suits and things like that. They would make him look It's somewhat different each time but still non-descript like a spy You know that's they say about spies is that the eyes of the most boring people you could possibly imagine because they kind of just fade into The background they can't tell you the truth But he is the town baker of 150 150,000 folks. He is the baker. Yeah, don't I mean a must is it is it like a Superman situation where it's like there's no way he's got glasses on that actually comes into play later. Oh Oh Hansen's game was to meet girls in the topless joints then offer them large sums of money for either nude photography or quote-unquote

Lunch it probably was lunch Marcus. Maybe I know it's like honestly I know you're saying quote-unquote lunch, but it's not like that's that with plates and pretend to eat sandwiches They may have actually gone to life. I don't know Well, he then make a date where they'd meet again outside of the club usually at the local Wendy's that's lunch That's lunch now wasn't a lot wasn't a Wendy's with the buffet. Do you remember the short-lived Wendy's buffet? No, well, these are the old-school Wendy's to back when Wendy's was a restaurant when you go and they'd come to your table Do you remember I remember that? Yes, you'd go and the family would go and it had oak. There was like

tables and they have a little plush booths So it was nice. This is a nice lunch the square patties really did elevate. Yeah, it really elevated the meal Yeah, and you were eating an experience not just a burger and now it's just chili made out of old patties Yep, I used to work there. Yum. Yum. Yum. You're saying it like it's bad. I like old I don't mind chili made out of old patties But how do you like it out of a cup whatever, you know, and the end I mean I like chili I'm very surprised you'd be so upset about chili because it's the Marcus that you would be down to whatever chili you could get For those that don't know when I worked at Wendy's I found out it's the date

It's the leftover patty not legal to sell as a burger legal to sell in chili So that's what they use the use in yes, exactly. All right, Henry. I gotta admit I am kind of putting on airs here a little bit. Oh, everyone loves chili No one believes that you don't like chili Marcus. You're like the definition of a chili guy Hanson would get to the Wendy's early and keep his car parked outside and watch the girl arrive always making sure She was alone and if she wasn't he called the whole thing off and high-tail it out of there But if the girl came alone Hanson was set the trap I will say that's a part of I believe his MO as it seemed like he tracked them for a long time

Yeah, it seemed to the way he would pick them to even get to lunch Which was big for him That was like step five was lunch because he didn't want to spend money on anything And so we finally having to have him settle down spend some money was a big deal and so little bit He would he would watch them from the club When he'd meet them and see who they were hanging out with and see if they had a lot of friends He'd like newcomers you like people that just got in town Because then he knew that they didn't have many connections and would go missing more easily

Is that what that song is all about they talk about the party and then there's a post party an after party And then they go to Wendy's Is that what that's all about what after the party there's the after party, and then we go to Wendy's No, that is a very popular lyric in a quite successful song I don't know man. It sounds like the B-side to Rocky Mountain High after the party. There is an after party then we go to Wendy's I that's my song and I'm singing to it. All right. All right. I'm on fire No, we know that Hanson didn't just pull a gun in the middle of Wendy's But most likely after lunch or dinner or whatever

Hanson would offer to take the woman to a second location ostensibly where the photography would take place The Arby's which has a nice back wall like a brick wall that serves as a neutral background Arby's was legitimately fancy No Arby's was legitimately fancy. I don't think you mean the market fresh sandwiches No, no, this is way before they sold out and went. Yeah, I'm talking the 90s Arby's KFC was legit fancy back in the day Yeah, I guess it just depends on what family you're from Waiters used to come and bring the chicken to your table. Yeah, Wendy's you'd get a number and you'd sit

Yeah, kind of quad we expected now We're getting served by kiosk and 16 year olds and 59 year olds with horrible pass like no no no no no I want a robot that's delivered to me with someone on roller skates Oh Well after they went to the second location or at least Hanson told them that they were going to the second location Once the woman was in the car the gum would come out and it was off to the wilderness Three months after Joanna Messina disappeared Lisa Fou Trelle followed But after that it was a full year before Hanson would take another victim

See at this point Hanson was still in the stop and go stage of his killing He hadn't yet reached the point of full addiction where more brutal kills were needed more often to feed the need But he was starting to give himself allowances and those allowances were what made him evolve as a killer Hanson said the girls would stay alive until they panicked, but the longer he went on The more he kept putting victims in situations where panic was inevitable Mmm, I thought you were gonna say by giving himself allowances. He got the double patty. He would also get Nuggets, which is quite I have to stop thinking about what I'm sorry In your head remember French fry would fall into the nuggets. I get a little French fry

Anytime you mix a french fry in anything that's not supposed to be there Oh, that's a good one. That's a good fry. You're a pervert Well as far as an example goes with Hanson putting a victim into a situation where panic was inevitable Let's look at the case of Sherry Morrow the night before Sherry disappeared She had told a friend of hers the stranger had offered her $300 for an erotic photo shoot Now that was big money in 70s anchorage So Sherry decided to do it the next thing she knew she was in the passenger seat of Robert Hanson Subaru Riding up to Pioneer Peak along the Kinnick River to an abandoned lean-to with an ace bandage wrapped around her eyes

Now for some reason the ace bandage wrapped around because that comes up quite a bit It reminds me of David Bowie from the black star video. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's I kept thinking about that too It's very it's a very it's creepy imagery Yeah, do you watch that doc yet the the last five years the final five years of David Bowie great documentary You got to check it out. Lovely man. Wonderful shoes. I've heard I've also heard the David Bowie smelled very good I had a friend that worked with him on his final musical. Really? Okay. How did he smelt? What do you smell like? Wonderful cologne and that he was always very fun and just easy-going and he'd smoke a long cigarette And he had very and he always had colorful sneakers. That seemed to be the guy

Yeah, it was much nicer than I expected. I love Bowie now the reason Hansen gave for the ace bandage and this actually makes sense and kind of points towards Hansen telling the truth in some cases is That Hansen used to had planned to use that spot again and if Morrow happened to go to the cops Afterwards she could take them to that location, which would give Hansen less squirm room But that was also him lying to himself that this is the thing with Hansen is that his compartmentalizing was so deep Because he would say shit like this acting as if I always intended for them to live I always thought that this was all gonna be a foregone conclusion. We were gonna go out there We're gonna have sex. I never wanted to murder them. I'm always putting the blame on them

Right. They are they are the reason why I'm killing them because they are they're not following my rules the ace bandage It sounds like a Very clean-cut observation to say I wanted to use the same space, but it's about control It's about his sexual his sexual drive to have total There like he can't tell them whatever he wants to do and he uses them like dolls, right? Well, even if she did get away and go to the police It was just her word against his and Hansen had already been taught by the Anchorage Police Department that the word of a sex worker Didn't mean jack shit to them and most likely the girls he took up there and brought back knew that too

But on this trip things did not go according to Hansen's plan Hansen got stuck again and Sherry Morrow took the opportunity and ran out blind with her hands tied Into the wilderness Hansen caught up to her and the way he told it this murder was done in the same casual manner that you or I would just point a finger He said he was sitting down staring at her screaming So he just pointed the gun and pulled the trigger just thought well, that's it. I'm done with this one Geez, but the Sherry Morrow murder is where Hansen had a couple of actual slip-ups I remember Hansen was a hunter and there's nothing a hunter like Hansen loves more than a trophy

But mutilation wasn't really Hansen's game He didn't take the kinds of trophies that like Ed Kemper did but it's interesting But his house still was covered in animal heads So there was a point where he thought he was fine with butchering these animals of chopping the heads off of doing all this shit Because his house was was like in the movie frozen ground it looked just like that with all of different menagerie It was like from Ace Ventura when nature calls. Yeah, it's that I've never understood that there's nothing relaxing to me about a bunch of animal heads staring at me as I watch home improvement Yeah, however when I die

I do demand to be stuffed and placed into one of your homes for ten years and another one of your homes for another ten years and Just go back and forth. Oh, I'm fine with that You're gonna have your eyes replaced with light up eyes that I'm putting you in the backyard And that's okay But basically what I'll use it to set to terrify my future adopted children will be Asian and they I will tell them that They are just very very Polish until they grow up to learn that that is incorrect Okay, I will say that every time that they're wrong every time that they do something bad I was like well, you don't want shadow Ben to come and get you in your sleep

And they're like we a shadow Ben daddy and I go and I turn on the girl highlights and it's just standing out in the backyard Okay, well, you know, that's it's fair use I guess Well Hansen was far too squeamish to take any sort of physical Trophy from his victims, especially considering how he had used guns for all the murders But the first one and as John Douglas points out, you know He can't really mount a woman's head on the wall of his rumpus room not in this economy But Hansen still had to have something so he ended up taking jewelry and IDs as a way to relive the crimes and to prove to himself that he'd actually done it and that he'd you know

Somehow accomplish something just by the sheer act of killing what an idiot You know from Sherry Morrow Hansen took a distinctive golden arrowhead necklace and that would be one of the things that would help put Hansen behind bars for the rest of his natural life. Well, that's the thing He's literally just he's like how many things can I take that connect me to this murder? Yeah? It's so stupid, but it's and the way he hid them to or were pretty boneheaded, but it's very common It's yeah, I mean look at this you go to make when I go on vacation. I'll take like a rock Yeah, yeah, like from where we are because it's fun to have the memory I could or I could just see you to beat up a huge W from the Wendy's that you stopped at

Yeah, BTK was well known to have like a little box with all of his mementos that Didn't love those didn't he keep it like his kids treehouse I climb up there and look at it every one thing. That's right Yeah, it's like these guys would cross those boundaries all the time like Hansen would sometimes give the jewelry that he took off as victims to his wife and daughter That's also very common, but it's about control It's again I have this whole secret world of wealth and knowledge from experiences that other people don't understand It's the realm of the serial killer where they begin to feel that they are past human being

Because they're like I've been to the edge and saw it and now I have a little tinker toy That reminds of me of it every single time. That's why every time I give a gift of jewelry I forward on the email receipt. Let him know I bought it from Vera meat right here in Brooklyn, New York Very rude. Yes, that would be actually very very rare. Don't do that. I love Vera me. I bought them all out I bought all the good jewelry up No, the other slip-up on the sherry morrow scene is somewhat of a rookie mistake in the world of a murderer But something that's completely normal in the world of the hunter even if it is a bad habit Hansen had buried morrow in a shallow gravel pit grave. I'm pretty much the same spot where he'd fired the fatal shot with his rifle

Now a lot of hunters don't pick up their bullet shells when they're out hunting Especially when they're on the move with a lot of them They don't even think about it and Hansen was exactly that type of hunter That habit of just leaving the shells where they lay was the one thing that linked Hansen to the different crime scenes even before he was caught Is that true? Like good? Is it is it just common that they leave the bullet shells and that like are they supposed to pick them up? Like are there rules for hunting where you're supposed to pick up that kind of litter? You know it's kind of I mean I'm saying that for my own personal experience Yeah, you know like if you're kind of like it's kind of a weird thing where if you're using like metal casings

It's kind of like an unspoken thing that you can kind of leave metal casings wherever But if you're using like plastic shotgun shells You generally don't want to leave those just lying around anywhere because it's it's ugly You know you're you're you're ugly enough and littering the you're hunting ground if you want to keep it nice and pretty Then you pick up your shit You are allowed to leave all of the Coors lights that you drink on the floor though You can keep every can just so you know where to go back to just feel like crows use whatever shit it is They find to build a nest and it's got to make all these crazy looking mad mechs

It has bird nests made out of bullet casings and shit. That's got to scare cats I was just thinking about that the other day what how birds use tech new stuff for their for their homes It's nice houses The other day was I really was you were just sitting on a park bench No, I was staring off in a space thinking about bird nests No, I saw I was walking and I saw one of those thing a cigarette, you know the the cellophane that goes around I saw that on the ground. I said, huh a bird could use that for their nest. It's like a little window Yeah garbage pick it up

Well, I didn't but I did think oh a bird could grab that and use that for a window and I thought how interesting that was Yeah, cuz you probably learned that from planet Earth to right maybe from the city's episode. That's right Yes, that's true. Do you keep these thoughts in the front of your brain? So the the dark soup that's like behind all of it like doesn't come forward to the nose in the mouth No, it's kind of like it's your mix It's a wintry mix So concerning this shell casings when Morrow's body was found almost a year later cops had a

223 caliber shell casing as their first real piece of evidence and the casings were marked in such a way that they knew They could positively match it to whatever gun fired it all they had to do was find the gun But between just the time that Sherry Morrow was killed and the time that she was found Hanson claimed three more victims But when Sherry was found that's when the official investigation Finally began how many how long has this been going on few years? Oh, so they just they're just beginning to look into it They haven't been finding any of the bodies they've out at that point The only body that they'd found was a gluttona Annie The one who had been a clutner. No, we are learning that wasn't even a bad email

We got what from an Alaskan listener. Thank you for your help. I am interested in Alaskan names And I'm interested in Alaskan heritage. I had that some of that smoke salmon vodka. It was pretty damn good Yeah, it's really good and bloody Mary I also got this book strange stories of Alaska and a Yukon and I gotta say there's one thing that they should have been scared out In the wilderness was Jack O the Sasquatch boy And we do have proof that Henry has the book because once again he has shown us Despite the fact it's a podcast. There is the book. I Would love to go to Alaska. We got to do it. We'd love

Yeah, I mean actually someone did get a hold of me that you know out of Juneau that said they got some contacts and anchorage Hey, all right. There we go Well the body of a gluttona Annie had been found stabbed to death a couple of years before by a road crew But the state troopers who were in charge of that investigation had hoped that it was a one-off because they didn't have any Evidence there not really, but now we just such as the detectives They're like well with any luck. It's a one-off. Yeah, well investigate the one-off. We all know how hard it is impossible She just fell on a knife like 95 times Can we just say that it's because it's cold as fuck is out here, and I'm pretty certain I heard what's that?

Jack O the Sasquatch boy We got to get the hell out of here. You know more about that guy, but well, I'm not I'm definitely not gonna blame the troopers on Not solving the case of a gluttona Annie because as we know a serial killing is by far the hardest murder to solve because there's no Connection, right? You know and usually that's how cops solve crimes through connections It's not you know the whole CSI effect thing that makes us think that you know murders are always solved through Fingerprints or DNA or something like that, right? It's usually not like that It's usually just a connection that the victim happens to have with the murder also you have to bring several Layers of the government together to investigate a serial killer

Murders which we're gonna see happens here and also at this point They still believe in the whole drifter theory that all these girls go in and out of town when people go missing there I mean they just moved on they have no real consideration even though because only because it's happened so much before That they are they view this as well. This was obviously something that went wrong Hopefully it doesn't happen again. Yeah, but now with two bodies found buried in shallow graves The troopers thoughts turn to serial murder now like it was with a lot of cases in those days late 70s early 80s Especially on the West Coast the cops thought about folding the investigation into the still unsolved green river murders perpetrated by the still unknown Gary Ridgway

However, since the body was found in such a remote out-of-the-way location the troopers figured it had to be a local and That local was about to obtain a possession that would give his story the extra juice It needed to be the subject of a terrible movie starring Nicholas Cage and John Cusack the frozen ground Produced by 50 cent really 50% Uh-huh. Yeah, even even by Nicholas Cage standards. He it seemed as if he just did that entire movie over the speakerphone Even by and I love Nick Cage. Yeah, we all do one of my favorite actors of all time He could do anything that he wants. Yes. He's so bored by his own talent. I'm gonna put it this way He's so bored by his own abilities. He doesn't even use it

And so when he was doing that movie, he was technically trying to be understated, but I think he was just hammered supposing Disappointingly flat and drive angry. Yeah, which is like another movie where he really could have let go But he solves all of his problems in the new movie mom and dad. He's very fucking good. Oh, yeah I loved mom and dad. It's a good mention that before I think on the show great new horror movie out there You can tell when Nicholas Cage I went tax seasons around because the movies become like yes, I will accept this role and I will not try at all I mean he is in an immense amount of debt. Oh, yeah

Yeah, I think he spent something like a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars on an action comics number one He's a cool guy living our dream. Yeah Yeah, and he spent all that money buying the most haunted house in New Orleans. Yeah Yeah, yeah, what do you think I'm gonna do if I ever had millions of dollars Second I'm having like an actual helicopter hat I would like attach to my shoulders me like look guys I can fly anywhere that all of a sudden it just paralyzes me and I just have to float everywhere with my fucking helicopter I'm gonna buy a Volkswagen Baja Beetle. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's a dream. It's a goal. That's very cool beach towel

I want a big beach towel near the end of Robert Hanson's killing spree He perpetrated an insurance scam involving some of his hunting trophies He told his insurance company that someone had jimmied his door and made off with a bunch of his heads Of course, it was Hanson himself who'd removed them all from his basement and pretty much just stored them in his backyard Yeah, but I put my mustache on so it was like I was another more handsome burglar Of the insurance company believed him and gave him a payout of $13,000 Taxidermy is a very expensive. It's a very lucrative business. I mean these it's any it's extremely expensive Oh, yeah, so you can actually actually value these heads at a pretty high price

Okay Now it's with that money that Robert Hanson was able to buy his very own private super Cub airplane The object that to this day made Robert Hanson Alaska's very own tiny little boogeyman Okay And the murder wasn't the only crime Hanson committed with his aircraft damn near as soon as he got it He set off burglin as many remote cabins as he could find stealing things like generators Radios and of course more chainsaws like I just see this sort of like go this giddy thing where he's just running through all these Cabins getting to steal as much as he can because we also remember the last in last episode when he said what he felt like when he

Was stealing he felt like he was gonna come in his pants Yeah, so you have a man who is orgasm and constantly stealing and stuff and flying a plane around he's like John Travolta I mean, it's crazy. Maybe this is what happens to Harrison Ford when he crashes all of his planes He's out there burbling so this guy is he seems like he has zero control and may I ask when does he bake? When does the baking happen? He is so busy stealing and killing when's he making muffins? But Hanson did indeed use that plane for murder now from what I can surmise The first woman taken out into the wilderness in Hanson's craft was probably Teresa Watson who disappeared on March 25th 1983 although we don't know that for sure

But here is where we can really get into the specifics of the long-held claims that Hanson hunted women First of all, Hanson never said he hunted women and the forensics don't really show that he did either The closest thing they had forensics wise was that his last known victim Paula Goulding had been killed by a single gunshot wound to the heart However, I think that actually serves to argue against Hanson hunting them at least on purpose See Hanson's favorite hunting weapon was according to his hunting records the crossbow Hmm. He hunted with guns sometimes. Yes, but when it came to serious hunting Hanson liked archery If Hanson truly was hunting these women in the same way he would hunt an animal He probably would have used something he was more comfortable with but on the other hand

He may have just not wanted to take the chance with something less deadly than a mini 14 That's what I think it is. I think a part of it. There's two things here. I don't think he traditionally I don't think he actually hunted these women. The reason why they jumped to it is because he left the bullets behind like a hunter would So he showed the they saw a pattern of behavior like a hunter would do but they were not deep into the woods It wasn't like they were covered in scratch It will a lot of times they were so decomposed that by the time they had found them then they weren't really sure What had what were the actions that led up to their death and also a crossbows not nearly as intimidating as a gun in terms of the The the actual I mean sure it is. I'm not saying it's not. I wouldn't be scared of a man walking

I tell Jason for he's that Mr. Zabrowski But I feel like a gun is more immediately Controlling yeah, and that's why and that's why he had it and it's an easier way to dispatch somebody when you're trying to Basically get it over with isn't it also just an issue of convenience I mean you can't really have a crossbow with someone's head while you're driving a car or a plane that is true You know but even so he could have had that like because he had a handgun that he would use to take him out into Into the wilderness or to his plane

But then it could also and he also said that like there were multiple times with women almost got their hands on the guns And he just barely got it away from him But yeah, I mean it could go either way But the thing was it like Henry said like these women weren't covered with like scratches from running through From running through branches or anything like that There was no like blood trails found or anything in Hanson Didn't speak about hunting. Are you telling me that the media might have made something up for a story? I've never heard of that before

I think in this in this time period. Yes, I think that that is the case. Well, most likely Robert Hanson's murders looked more like this He took his victims into the wilderness and told them that as long as they stayed calm and played along they wouldn't get hurt But of course when you've got an insane nerd pointing a gun in their face while you're out in the middle of nowhere You're not gonna be likely to believe him Okay, and I'd imagine it'd be damn hard to suppress your flight instinct Mm-hmm And so Hanson would force his victims into a terrifying situation and then when that terror overwhelmed them They would run and that's when he would shoot him

Convincing himself that it was their fault that they ran Now he never told a story about stalking a woman or following a blood trail or anything like that It was a game for Hanson. Yes, but as far as comparisons to general Zaraf go It was pretty much just the disdain for their victims that they shared This was not a most dangerous game type of situation. No, cuz I originally heard this story I imagine him owning land and it being like some crazy shit But it's like it seems like he it was all kind of about convenience and control and I agree with you Marcus setting up the Circumstances where then the crime was out of his hands. So this is a rare situation where the more research that has been done

The more boring the case almost in a strange way, right? Same thing with Peewee Gaskins It's like I feel like we got a tiny bit of pushback by people saying well the story isn't real What does it matter but a part of it's about the yeah the What is wrapping to the myth of a serial killer and when you look at it what we hope to do I think us it's our sadly most intelligent which is to say you don't always you can't always believe in these urban myths because a Lot of times it's people trying to make you scared so that you spend more money Yeah, of course But of course on the opposite of that Robert Picton was quite surprising. It seemed like he actually fed people human meat

Yeah, that should be a little bit more known. Yeah, some of these guys are are much more So it are much scarier than you think they are but for the most part it is modern myth making You know, it's these true crime shows and even though true crime novelists like the true crime Industry is predicated upon fear right and that I think is completely Bullshit speaking of fear speaking of fear. I did just get my subscription to NRA TV. So guys Problems trying to watch some and you can't it's all exactly no I don't want I will never pay to watch Dana Loesch screaming me

well speaking of the bullshit, you know, even the whole story of Hansen taking these girls by plane to his cabin in the woods is a little off although in this case I think setting wise this is actually more terrifying The so-called cabin was actually just a meat shack next to a frame for a tent cabin Where hunters would hang moose meat so it could cool down and hanging at the meat shack also kept the flies away So all in all we think Hansen only used the airplane three times in the course of his murders if that But it was on the fourth airplane trip that Hansen once again underestimated one of his victims

But on the other hand as we'll see this last victim once again came damn close to getting no justice Just like all the others so on June 11th 1983 Hansen propositioned a girl working the streets on 5th and Denali named Cindy Paulson Hansen offered her $200 for oral sex far above the going rate on the streets of Anchorage And he brought her back to his house because that summer Hansen's family was on a trip to Europe in fact this was a regular thing for Hansen's wife and kids as they usually spent summers down in Arkansas visiting Darla's parents hence

the summer project this was also their sort of they would do like a semi-divorce the two of them were constantly fighting and she didn't understand a sick because essentially at this point Robert Hansen's bacon all day and And at the fucking topless bars all night and doing this like being in and out He's a very very strange man Darla knows this but she's a good Christian woman doesn't want to divorce him So she would separate the family as much as possible and every summer essentially it was like a place to go breathe easy and get Away from him. That's great. You forget he has a family this whole time Yeah, so that night Hansen took Paulson down to the basement where he kept all of his hunting trophies handcuffed her and violently forced her to have sex after that

He wrapped her neck in a chain locked it to an eye bolt screwed into one of the support beams and left her there Overnight surrounded by the heads of his bestial kills the next day Hansen came down and told her He was taking her out to his cabin in the woods But he'd be sure to have her back in Anchorage at around 11 a.m. The next day He kept her in handcuffs put her in his truck and drove her to Merrill Field where he kept his plane But as Hansen was loading the plane up for the trip Paulson barreled out of the open car door and ran as fast as she could Hansen gave chase but a security guard at the airport noticed him and as soon as Hansen saw that someone was looking

He slowed down to a walk got in his car and drove away when he got home He removed the eye hook and puttied the hole Cindy as we sit at the beginning of the last episode flagged down a truck driver named Robert yunt and told him to take her to The big timber motel and naturally he wanted to go to the cops But when she refused he dropped her off at the mush in motel where she called her pimp to come pick her up And needless to say the pimp was pissed. The pimp was more angry than most cops that glistened to the story He freaked out, which is like I'm gonna kill this motherfucker Yeah, I'd got his gun and we're like ran out looking for this this guy that almost killed one of his employees

Yeah, yeah, he ran he fucking the pimp whose name is unknown Grabbed his gun and drove to the airport to kill Hansen But by the time the pimp arrived Hansen was long gone. Hmm. His name was 47 words Because there's 47 words for snow and snow is ice cold very true But thankfully the truck driver had gone to the police straight after dropping off Cindy a detective Coincidentally named Greg Baker was put on the case and Cindy identified both Robert Hansen's aircraft and his car almost Immediately, all right. No justice here. All right. All right. She said a couple of right things first

But let's see how we can make sure she's wrong boys. Yeah Good work Baker. Oh, no Hansen was brought in for questioning and went with them no questions asked because after all Hansen had been through this whole song And dance before he even let the cops search his home his car and his super cub without a warrant a Hans's green Buick sedan held rifle cartridges ace bandages Surgical gloves and a shitload of Conway twitty tapes. I nicknamed my car guilty because it proves that I'm guilty Do you get my joke? Good Lord Conway 20 by the way, let's stop malign Conway 20. We're not maligning Conway 20 y'all

He was also a big Dolly Parton fan. Well, Dolly's the best. I got into a little bit of a Travis Trithole the other day Oh, did you? Yeah, I don't like Trithole. I don't like Travis Trithole Yeah, he has rice cooking in the microwave. It's so he's a working man Great day to be alive. It's a great song But the bullets and the bandages in the car were easy enough to explain away And even the gloves couldn't be connected to the kidnapping not really the house though was a different story When cops searched the basement they found that it was exactly how Cindy had described it right down to where the foosball table was located After the course he had a foosball table

After the search and the questioning Hanson was put in a lineup and Cindy immediately picked him without hesitation But once again Robert Hanson had an alibi He had two friends say that he'd been with them all night fixing an airplane seat Honestly, it's the weirdest. It's such an Alaskan way to hang out He said that he spent four hours building an airplane seat and then he went to another guy's house Where they continue to work on an airplane seat such as that just if that's not an alibi for murder They are having gay Alaskan sex

If that was the case that would have been fine. Yeah fixing an airplane seat. It's a good youth. We miss him Bear love in Alaska Both of these men knew they were lying But Hanson had asked him to do this as a personal favor to get him out of what he had called quote an awkward situation Oh my yeah He is so adorable No one has said that Robert Hanson's adorable yet Got a lot of people we posted a picture of Robert Hanson

There's a lot of weird women in our Instagram who said that he's handsome. I know I don't like to get into that I was very surprised by that. Yeah. Yeah, we're not gonna get that out of the thing. No. No. No. Yeah disturbing But then there was the matter of Hanson's criminal record because remember he'd been picked up a few times before and you'd think the cops Would look at the criminal record and be like holy shit. This guy has done this before and let's really go at him hard But the APD was in the process of transferring their records into a new computer system So when they checked Hanson's name Nothing came up His record hadn't been to his record was like in the crack in between being transferred from the old system to the new system

So as far as they knew Robert Hanson's record was a hundred percent clean secretary Debbie I'm gonna read and shout to you what I'm reading on the paper here. Okay, you type it into the computer Gary Coldman age 48 is it cold man cold man It's like it's cold in here and because I'm I'm in the room. I'm also a cold man K See No

If Anyway, I never learned to do any of this. He's 49 So at this point the cops started to call Cindy Paulson's credibility in the question They started asking her to take a polygraph test. Of course. She was insulted. She got pissed off She refused she said, you know if you don't believe me if you can't take what I've already given you by giving you a full Description of the car of the plane and the basement plus all the injuries She's like I've had enough. I'm getting the fuck out of here. You're you're not gonna believe me So I'm just gonna leave she obviously also had a very bad relationship with the police officers

She was a sex worker and they they were all constantly at odds Like the two communities because they just wouldn't let them live in peace essentially They couldn't work and the police officers had no respect for them And so that's why she couldn't be she couldn't figure out like I think she just didn't want to be involved in the investigation So the investigation was closed and that might have been the end of it giving Robert Hansen permission Once more to kill so you think if he ended here no more kills you think he just skates? No, no, no That's not what happened. Okay, thankfully Cindy Paulson's case made its way over to the Alaska State troopers The true super cops in this story. Hey, all right

One of the investigators at the APD Maxine Farrell made sure the file landed on the desk of Lyle Hogsfin Don't mess with Hogsfin Hogsfin was the one in charge of the Sherry Morrow case remember Sherry Morrow her body had been found with one of Hansen's Shell casings less than a year before so Hogsfin started looking into this Hansen fella Especially where Hansen was flying problem was Hansen never reported his real Registration numbers to the people in the tower at Meryl Field So they never really knew where he was going because Hansen didn't actually have a pilot's license Because he'd been denied one when he did his application a few years before and wrote down that he took lithium for bipolar disorder

So they're like yeah, we're not giving you an airplane Now lithium was like an old-school way of handling bipolar disorder, right? Or is it still around? It's still around I took it briefly But it's like oh, it's got very intense side effects, right? It can yeah, did you try to get a pilot's license while you were on it? It seems like it would be super fun to be hopped up on lithium and fly to play. Oh, you're not hopped up your way down Oh, it's down. Oh, is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah your way down and it makes your penis no work, right? No, I was my penis was still fine. Well, you're very horny All right. No, there was only one medication that made my penis go away. You know what?

It's just a segment that we don't even have to have on the show Well what how Hansen got around not having a license was that he painted the ID numbers on his plane Too small to see from the tower and when the flight towers like you know like break a break We can't see the numbers on your plane Hansen just gave them the numbers of other planes and the towers like alright sounds good And the extra stupid thing about this is that Hansen wasn't even bipolar Yeah, he just lied his way into it during one of his many psych evaluations during his prison stays and he just sort of gone Along with it ever since but I actually think that he switched this he flipped this and reversed it to do his advantage Because now he had a cover for any sort of strange behavior

Do you remember when you're a kid? Tell me if anybody else did this because I was obsessed with having glasses as a little kid and Jackie said the same thing And I know a lot of people the same thing where you kind of lie about it because it gives you like a Personality for summary when you're searching for something to label yourself as and you have no idea what it is You start being like because I thought my braces were cool I thought it'd be cool to have braces and then I got them and then it was the worst Four years of my fucking life of which no pictures exist. Yeah, that is embarrassing Well after a while the dots started to connect with Robert Hansen in

September of 1983 troopers found the body of Paula Goulding in a location off the connect river that was accessible only by boat or Aircraft here. They found another two-two-three shell casing fired from the same gun that had killed Sherry Morrow And that is when state troopers assigned the connect river murders to the true supercop in this story And Glenn Flothey a tall gawky eternally rumbled man who was just born to be played by Nicholas Cage Do you say James Comey or Glenn Flothey and Flothey, okay? Well Flothey is definitely a backup quarterback's name, which is nice He got to be in the front seat and he got to do it Well, Nicholas Cage was technically an amalgam of all of these cops into one man

That was supposed to be the bravest man on the force But he still was called Flothey like he still was Glenn Flothey in the movie, right? No No, not Glenn Flothey. It's a made-up name. It's just a guy's name that they just assigned to him I don't know why they did this Glenn Flothey was a was the example of a guy that like he Nerded his way into being a super cop. Yeah, he was the exact coin flip side of Robert Hansen He was a weird gawky dude who loved details and he Understand I'd like instinctively he kind of accidentally found his way into the troopers by essentially testing really well And they were like, okay, you will get you in here and then they found his dogged

persistence persistency Was what made him a great cop and he used the one who put all of the Evidence together for the first time and started seeing what was happening Glenn Flothey sounds like a guy who's like I would have been a singer-songwriter if singing didn't mean that you were possessed by the devil I have a lot of respect well Flothey was a true crime nerd that just happened to get it into it like he He said his interest first start is that he just his local bar Happened to also be the local bar of like a bunch of cops and like investigators

So he started hanging out with him literally started with like I could drink like a cop If I can drink like a cop, maybe I could just be a cop. Oh, it's you just to be a cop You just don't be with your family. Oh, that's great That's easy because Flothey used to go and hang out and because what do cops love more? I know that's for a fact because family of a cop they love telling long Yarns. Oh, yeah, I love finding a new dude that is eager to hear long yards Because then he's a great companion and so he because he didn't talk a lot. He was a great listener. Mm-hmm Now in yeah, as Henry said

He was the first one to actually look at the big picture and he started looking into the numerous sex workers Who had been reported missing in the anchorage area in the few years previous and when all was said and done He had a victim matrix of ten names Then he started looking into the victims themselves He found they were all in their 20s were all between 5 4 and 5 7 were generally busty Had all worked as topless dancers and it all made high-paying dates with strangers right before they'd gone missing Hmm. All right, Flothey is onto something. Flothey's very much on a softening and then busty five times So he did they all say the word busty quite a bit in terms of the the women that they describe of anchorage

No, butcher Baker loves the word busty Terrible yeah, yeah, it's got about six adjectives all throughout the entire thing and busty is definitely one of the favorites I see and then in mid-september Flothey and Hogsman joined forces and from that moment forward Robert Hanson's fate was sealed all right see by this time the records have been fully transferred over so the troopers Finally knew the full extent of Hanson's past crimes. All right Debra, I've got it Deborah. I've got the name Robert Hanson Some no We just got to get the name

Seven no no no why would there be a number in his last name? Can I stop working here? Now there were some cops within the APD who felt like the department had Completely fucked up on the Cindy Paulson case It's not like the entire APD was full of bad eggs because one of those guys Greg Baker He was appalled at how the APD had handled it, right? So he joined forces With the other two guys with Flothey and Hogsman and the trio went after Hanson hard I'm also gonna say if you listen to footage of Greg Baker talking about

Cindy Paulson He is in love with her. Yeah, and I I have a whole side plot in my own mind There's no evidence for it But Greg Baker if you watch any of these documentaries the way he talks about Cindy Paulson was like she was just the last that needed a Prince to fight a dragon and he went out there He was obsessed with Cindy Paulson he was he went out of his way and and talk with her about the case and was talking with her on the side and he was like I could get you a nice little apartment like doing like very getting really into it

And he sort of looks like me if I was a cop so I can see there was actually a really cute love story in there Also, could it be done by Nick Cage? Like in the movie on the lotto movie the lotto moot captain Corelli's mandolin That's the World War two Italian mandolin movie Yeah, you leave everything to me or like you can't take it with you or everything has its place It's like it's him. It's the it's a blonde lady. Who's busty? That is true He had a lotto ticket and he split it with the waiters and he's a cop name of that movie lucky number one or something like that or Live

Well a lot of it could happen to you it could happen to you Was it sponsored by the New York State Lottery Commission and he plays a police officer? He plays so many police officers for a man who's been arrested. He understands how cops work. I know how to do this Well since it had been months since the original investigation Cindy had been in the wind but due to the diligent efforts of a vice cop known only as Gentile the troopers found Cindy and convinced her that they were finally going to take down Robert Hansen Take him down Cindy. My name is officer Gentile. Would you like a monogrammed hung kuchif? I would then I will solve your murder very good

Good you pass the test All right The cops kept an eye on Robert Hansen from then on although the way Greg Baker talks about the surveillance It makes the whole thing seem just like a confusingly weird this Craig Baker He's a weird guy like listen to this listen to this interview of him talking about the surveillance One morning. I was driving by and I needed to get some donuts for the shift Mr. Hansen was there and he had a a window that he stood in and decorated cakes and cupcakes and cookies and

I remember watching him. He kept looking up at me and you could tell he was nervous and he kept putting frosting on his thumb and I Like that. Do we know he's not a cartoon bear? Sounds like a cartoon bear I Needed to get donuts for the meeting. I had to because if not Oh, the way we would beat each other with our batons

But then he'd put it all on his finger and I was like, oh, that's a treat He makes a finger of cupcake and then you think maybe people are just cupcakes walking around You've lost your sense of humanity Well what the cops really needed more than anything else was to get into Hansen's house what they needed was that many 2014 However, they couldn't get a search warrant based on Cindy Paulson's word because Hansen had an alibi So Floaty threw a Hail Mary and a pretty damn resourceful and forward-thinking one at that

Floaty called up the FBI behavioral sciences unit in Quantico and asked for their help Now it's hard to know exactly who to give credit to on this one The book Butcher Baker says the guy who cracked it or at least was a major part of it was Roy Hazelwood One of the founders of the program, but Mindhunter by John Douglas gives all the credit to who else but John Douglas I mean he wrote the book Now this is one thing I've found again and again throughout all the years We've been spending studying serial killers John Douglas really likes to take credit for shit He may or may not have done more than once I've read a source that names another person in the BSI is being the main contact

But when I cross-referenced that with Mindhunter or one of his other books, it's a lot of I I I me me me Well, it's easy to tell the story. They are calling from his offices So and then when if you're the commanding officer, right? Was he the commanding officer? I believe so I think you take all the you take all the credit right essentially because it's like my My people did it He makes it sound like specifically he did it all I do love the idea of Marcus cross-referencing Cross-referencing is cross-referencing and then being like and finally I've concluded it is Whopper Wednesday

It is indeed a Whopper Wednesday. I have circled it note the w for Wednesday He may have done this with the permission of these other agents who may have not wanted to or not cared to be in the book Or he may have just been doing it to simplify the narrative at the request of the author that happens sometimes But just remember while John Douglas is brilliant talented and one of the reasons why serial killers aren't as prevalent as they once were He also isn't necessarily the one-man Superbrain powerhouse that he claims to be okay. Yeah, he's no Beck Back Scientologist. I believe I'm gonna go be I'm gonna go see Beck at a medicine square garden here pretty soon Very good issue. He's just he's indoctrinated and he loves yelling at a stress and we can't take that from him No, absolutely. No. Yeah. Yeah lifelong Scientologist

But I mean he was born into it. So you can't really blame him, but I'm playing him. You know what? I don't care Could have gotten out. Well. Yes, sure Well, either way detective Flothi called up Quantico and asked for their help and putting together something to juice up a search warrant Which had never actually been done before by the BSI or anyone else They've never used a profile to get a search warrant and here's where things get really interesting Flothi described both the murders and the kidnappings to the FBI agent whoever it was and just from that the FBI came Up with this profile, dude. It's great. It is fucking like I don't know how they did this shit I want to go back

I have to read this section in my Hunter and really go into how they break this down, but they fucking nailed it Really a unique time. Usually they don't they said the suspect likely had a speech impediment of some kind probably a stutter and Probably had skin problems as a teenager They said he is an exceptional hunter and while he is married his wife is probably religious and is completely Oblivious to her husband's wrongdoings They said he was probably a successful businessman and an upstanding member of the community as far as the MO went He probably had a murder bag complete with disguises and he probably took trophies Wow, and he probably played a lawful good mage in any sort of campaign because he's

He's one of those guys who does all the boring abilities like being a healer or being a pyro guy Who attacks the first wave of enemies from afar? Yeah, and if I get this profile, I mean it blew Flothi's hair right the fuck back I can feel my cholesterol getting higher and higher I'm so excited and there were other things coming in as well The troopers had started to compare tire marks outside and near the remote cabins that had been burgled and compared them to the Tyre's on Hanson's plane and found that they were a match because Hanson was the only guy in the area that had a plane With those types of tires so essentially the net is slowly circling

Robert Hanson's getting more and more nervous becoming more and more like mr. Bean and the fucking bakery Knocking over muffins like those are like, oh Robert's never been clumsy with the croissants before and he's just like It's fine. It's just gonna be bestial day soon, and we need to make sure there's enough croissants for the parade oh My goodness then finally a woman recognized Hanson when she went into his bakery to apply for a job And so she came forward and with that the burglaries and the profile the search warrant for Hanson's house was finally Granted all right after searching all day one of the cops a lieutenant Kessnik climbed into the attic to sit through the fiberglass insulation in a last-ditch effort to find the murder weapon because they'd search

This whole goddamn house and hadn't found anything Well, that was also a part of how his alibi fell fell apart to the cops all showed up they picked him up at the bakery He came in a little bit late. He had his fucking bakers hat on they arrested him They put it into a thing and he knew what was happening the wife was home these bunch of cops showed up They raided the whole house. She has no idea what's going on the wife of his neighbor rolls over and Says what are you guys doing? They're like all Robert Hanson's being booked for murder Wow this woman because I guess it's fucking anchorage and she's like, oh, yeah My husband would never hangs out with him anything that he says she was a lie

And so he threw her husband under the bus He's been like fuck this like what is happening here? Wow and the husband was out like doing a jet because he was a Contractor who also like built boats on the side and it actually built a boat for Robert Hanson He was up in King salmon working another job and his wife's calling him up and saying oh You need to get the fuck home, and you need to and you need to clear this up right now And he's like I'm not coming home. I'm working a job I'm providing for this family if they get an affidavit then yeah, I'll come home, but I'm not coming home before then And so the cops in the last possible place

They could look in the house in the back corner of the attic They found the treasure chest Oh, and a hollowed out cash cops found Sherry Morrow's arrowhead necklace a pistol a 522 rifle and the coveted 223 caliber mini 14 nice finally the cops had in their possession Hard evidence that tied Hanson to at least two of the murders I was really hoping it would have been a cake in the shape of a mini 14 and then they cut into it It is the mini 14 hide it and play inside the best part about this is that now? I don't have to go get doughnuts for the meat

Yeah, you know eat around the evidence, but the most disturbing discovery was still to come in that box cops also found a map of the anchorage area marked up with a whole bunch of X's at this time Hanson was only attached to four murders in the area and when cops only Quite a bit comparatively only and when cops cross-referenced where those bodies were found to the map They saw that there was an X on each one of those locations But those four weren't the only X's over the entire map. There were 20 more Each one seemingly corresponding to the gravesites of then unknown victims But a lot of those victims

Corresponded with Flothys victim matrix And that's when the bottom fell out of the alibi as well The guy finally came back home and the cops told both of them because there were two guys that were in on this alibi He told but they told both of them. It's like listen. You're gonna be summoned to a grand jury. You lie to us It's no big deal Before my life They wash their hands of him as fast as they could once it came out once it came out like oh we found a Lot of evidence of murder. You're gonna be grand jury. You lie to them

It's gonna be perjury and you're gonna do a hard time. So they're just like net detective Flothy I don't even know how to put together an airplane seat. I never even saw a seat I don't sit in chairs. I stand the human body is actually not built to sit If you look at diagrams from eastern Asian philosophies, they believe that squatting lying down is the only way for a human arrest This is the power of free baked goods Because no one wanted to ruin their connection to the good bakery Wow and so on February 16th 1984 Hanson's attorneys called the prosecution and told them that Hanson was ready to quote clear the decks

All right Just as a abben with the great bus barn caper back in Iowa Robert Hanson offered to plead guilty and confess just so long as his family was spared the publicity of being attached to the worst Serial killer in Alaskan history. What if I just plead guilty to burning down the bus barn again? I don't know what else I'm supposed to say about it No, the murders really that's got the sticking point here Well in exchange for all that Hanson gave investigators bodies and goddamn doesn't sound like he was creepy when he did it Oh, God

Hanson was taken out to each specific spot on his map by helicopter and was told to show the troopers at least approximate spots But when they let Hanson lose they found that he was Amazingly agile moving through the wilderness making it hard for them to even keep up It's almost like he was trying to escape. Well, no, they had they had a trooper out there with a very high powered Okay pointed at him at all times ready to shoot him down if he tried Hanson would bound through the snow on the way to each burial site like a dog And when he found the site he get down on his hands and knees and start digging in the snow with his tiny little paws There's obviously a disconnection inside of himself

From any sort of the human behavior like there's like a thing that we became excited Because he took it all like it's very similar to Henry Lucas when they went out to go looking for all the bodies and they treated Like it was a fucking party where he was walking out there and it was fun for him He's joking around. He's like, oh, I know all of this place is with oh, yeah, I'm out here all the time They're like, yeah, buddy. We found a map with 27 fucking axes on it of bodies we put out here. We know you're aware of the territory Well, since it was February though, the ground was to frozen to dig I wondered why in the movie they never did that where they guy with the shovel just hit a bunch of ground being like

Do you know what it is? It nods for two minutes. Just like is it the title of this shitty movie that we're in? So since the ground was frozen the cops marked each spot by spray painting nearby trees And when they came back in the spring to those marked spots after the ground at thawed they found that Hanson had picked the Exact right spot every time and each body was found by digging only one hole on that day alone Hanson led them to 12 bodies some in locations that he hadn't been to in over two years then after a hell of a lot of him and in Han for some reason

Pope and young revoked all of Hanson's hunting records That he didn't hunt them that he didn't kill the 34th largest black bear in the competition because it's a fact It is a fact you're gonna make us deny it Wow, that must have hit home for Hanson yeah, I mean all of the records expunged and so on February 27th 1984 Robert Hanson was sentenced to 461 years in prison plus life when asked what he was gonna do in prison. He said I want to become a writer What I plan to do is get an experience by writing humorous stories Then I'll all right my own story

The story of a man who loses his wife and has to move in with two of his silly cousins An acute kids all and you know that house. It was so packed. It was like a it was full laughter and loving learning oh My this guy But it wasn't to be as Hanson spent most of his time as a prison barber oh now We have a little bit of inside information here One of our listeners apparently had a shitty cousin who did some time in Seward Correctional with Hanson the shitty cousins said that all the prisoners considered Hanson just a sweet old man that they all refer to as

Grandpa Bob Really sweet. What a sweet old man. So finally just a few years ago on August 21st 2014 Robert Hanson died of natural causes Still married to Darla who never moved on after the heartbreak of unknowingly being married to the worst serial killer The Great White North has ever seen wow. She stayed married to him. I mean it could be a whole Christianity thing It's like you never didn't you never divorced no matter what all right? Well, there it is the story of Robert Hanson, you know, we don't even need the hunting aspect of it The story itself is interesting. Yeah, the story is interesting and creepy as fuck

Yeah, I also want to give a huge thanks to research assistant any powers who is invaluable and putting together all the information and misinformation on Robert Hanson and speaking of Annie and things that she's helping us out with as far as research goes We got a big announcement. Are we doing the big announcement doing the big announcement fall of 2019? The last book on the left Serial killers. We're writing a book. We are writing a book And I'm gonna tell you what I got shoe. I got new shoes for it. I got my I got my socks I got my writing book socks. I got that like, you know those wooden bead covers you put on a car chair Yeah, the car seat to make it feel car chair. What am I fine? Yeah? No, that's right

But it's like I got that for my writing seat here so that I'm extra comfortable when struggling Yeah, because what I will say it is foreign and difficult to write a book. I'm getting I'm getting used to like But I just kind of fun though is that I get every once in a while like I'll go and I'll just type in a whole page of all work And no day make Henry go crazy. Like I do the shiny thing and it's fun. Yes Mm-hmm soft pads for my chairs armrests very nice. You should get a gel thing for your mouse pad I'm gonna have to actually get a gel thing. I'm having to get a gel thing for my keyboard Because yeah, we're gonna be we're writing it right now We're we're trying we're looking for an illustrator

You know like a comic book artist to to work out all because it's gonna be pretty illustration heavy like kind of a mad magazine Type of thing so we're you know, we're still looking for a guy or a galp right now But we'll you know announce that once we find them We are putting our stamp on the world of serial killers and it will never come off It'll be a fun part. Yep. It'll be a serial killer book. It should be a yeah It'll be we're trying it's interesting trying to transition the podcast into book form Yeah, we're we're it's a learning process and so thank you all so much for making that possible without you yes in the community We wouldn't be having this opportunity and so thanks everyone who's given to the patreon and

Yeah, I also want to give us some thank yous to some people who've sent us some cool stuff in the mail Oh my god, that beef jerky. Oh the beef jerky the we got to say a thank you first of all my two Let's hear Lynn Hoagland. Oh, send us some amazing beef jerky. They're very good fucking destroyed I'm I'm putting off getting into the weapons grade stuff that you sent but you know, I'm saving that for a special occasion Such a jerk. Thank you. I would like to thank Danger and mayhem designs Elise over there for making us some really awesome handmade jewelry She made a she made a little pen for Travis. That's like a name tag and it says hello. My name is titties Oh, that's so happy that that nickname that Henry gave him the stock. I

Also want to thank a listener out of Anchorage Actually a guy named Dan who sent us a copy of butcher Baker actually while we were in the middle of a recording it And he has a few you wrote a fantastic letter and he has a few questions for us So first he asked me mr. Parks in your opinion. What is the best recorded drum solo in the history of rock and or roll? I'm gonna say jump in the fire by Harry Nelson because it fits into the song perfectly actually adds to it And does not bog it down It goes it goes on too long and it's just you know, it's masturbatory Jump in the fire

It's an actual part of the song that actually adds to it and fuck it and segues into that awesome bass line that Black dog, that's pretty good one too, but nope jumping the fire Mr. Zabrowski if you could party for one night with any serial killer from history living or dead who would it be? Serial killers. They're always the weird ones. The serial killers are hard to hang out with they're not as fun I guess technically would have to be Charles Ng Wow And finally mr. Kissel if you could if you had to kiss one part of Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell's body What would it be? Follow-up question would you kiss it light and teasingly or with the unbridled passion of a young lover's heart?

Well, oh my god. I think I would have to kiss his neck With a lot of passion to turn him back into a turtle That's what I would do and finally we would like to say thanks serial Saints over at Serial Saints comm for Making a prayer candles out of the three of us and for doing that wonderful portrait of Wendy as a saint. Oh, yes, that's incredible. I want that picture for my home. Yes Um, all right. Well, thank you all so much for everything. That's such a those candles are great. Yeah, they're awesome I'm here in the studio. Let's do we have a shirt that we want to talk about too. Well, we have the new hungry ghost press shirt I believe sold out immediately that shirt is awesome. Yeah, it's so yeah

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