Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 329: Katherine Knight Part I - Lady Leatherface

Episode Date: August 25, 2018

On the first of our two part series, we cover Australia's Katherine Knight, who murdered, skinned, and cooked her common law husband in the year 2000. Join us as we cover Katherine's life up to the fateful night in question, from her years as a slaughterhouse worker to her series of dangerous psychotic breakdowns. If you have a second, please do us a solid by filling out this confidential survey: https://bit.ly/2L1A1Uv

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Okay. Honestly, I'm trying to do this, right? Dinosaur. Okay. Better. Butter. That's good. Better or butter? Butter better. I like my butter better than yours. Why are these the sentences that you're practicing with? Dino rider. Don't get between a dino and his rider. Don't get between a dino and his rider. That you nailed it. You got it. Welcome to the last podcast. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, everyone. I am Ben Kissel. Marcus Parks is here and I would say Henry's here, but I don't remember Henry being Australian. So I don't know who this guy is.

I'm going to try honestly because we have done Australian content before. Yes. The hashtag Australian content. I'm sorry that I'm going to be doing this, but honestly, I am really, I am trying to do a better accent this time. I want it to be vaguely accurate as much as I physically can. But what I will say is when you look up how to do the Australian accent, they all say the same thing. It's very odd. It is very hard. Yes. I've heard it. It's kind of got a Bostonian vibe to it. Doesn't it? Yeah. It's bad. All right. Well, today's episode, why are we talking about Australia? Is that what you're asking yourself? Well, because we're going today. We're going to a place, Aberdeen. We're going to

be talking about this gal, Catherine Knight. And I got to say, I saw Marcus researching on the plane. Whoo. She's a little wild. Wait a second. This is your reaction from watching the darkest crew on the plane. I was watching. I don't even know what. And then I was looking at them. We happened to be sitting next to each other and I was working and you weren't. Yes. And I kept on looking over and be like, huh. I'd like to think I helped you flush out some of the finer points. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Catherine Knight's a real pip. Yes. That's a good term for her. Pip. So in Aberdeen, Australia on leap day in the year 2000, 49 year old Catherine Knight murdered her common law husband, John Price. Pricey. Pricey. She then skinned him, butchered him, cooked his rump and plated it on

two dishes with a side of veggies. And they all say the same thing. The cops all say it's very funny how the Australian cops fall into the same kind of patterns that like US police fall into where it's, they all kind of stick on a phrase and each one of them said, just like Grandma'am used to make. Which is like, really? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's a problem with your family. That doesn't sound very good. The word that they all used to describe the crime scene was bizarre. It was so bizarre. Bizarre. Okay. Now when you say rump, now were we talking both cheeks and where do you put the, where do you put the vegetables then? We're going to get into it. We're going to get into it. Yeah. I mean part two is depth. I mean we're going to get into the entire murder in

great detail. Okay. Now and speaking of the cops, like a lot of the cops who witnessed the crime scene ruined men. Like a lot of them could not continue being police officers. Really? But on the other hand, other cops said the worst thing about seeing it was that they weren't able to eat meat for like three months. Three whole months. And Australian, that's like meatless months. And Australian is like nine U.S. years. I believe it. But it's the way they said it because you remember it was that one documentary where it was like playing the really sad music. He's like, I'll tell you what, I was never saying this again. Never the same. I couldn't eat beef for three whole months. It's like you touched a human skin curtain. Oh no. Oh right. Well, our sympathies to the victim

of course. Of course. My goodness. Horrible demise. And it's a thing about Catherine Knight. It's not like her crime came out of nowhere. As far as everyday mundane interpersonal evil goes, Catherine Knight is among the worst people we've ever covered. She's a fucking animal. Honestly, she is an uncontainable, truly a Tasmanian devil. I know Tasmania is not necessarily there, but it's close as neighbors. I don't know. And Catherine Knight, uncontrollable force, unstoppable movement. We talked on side stories this week about Kuklinski versus Pansram who would win. I actually think a fairer fight would be Catherine Knight versus Pansram. Really? Yeah, the psychiatrist who examined her said that she had a primitive consciousness. Hey, all right.

You're doing katarlicks to the term primitive consciousness? Yeah, dude. Yeah, man. All right. Unstoppable force like Nia Jax. It does sort of sound like a Prague rock album to, you remember, altered states. Yes. All right. Catherine Knight, she was vengeful, vindictive, violent, and above all, extremely skilled with a knife due to her years as an assembly line worker in numerous slaughterhouses all over southeastern Australia. Abitouaz. Abitouaz, yeah, yeah, or meatworks. Okay. You've said the word assembly line, so now I have to make my mandatory lucio ball joke where they're eating the chocolate, but imagine if she was working at a meat shop and they were just down in a bunch of random giblets and things, giblets and whatnot. Then

it's not so funny. Then that scene isn't so funny, and I've referenced that scene a hundred times. It's mostly a lucio ball covered in grime, a bile from inside of the guts, and in the marrow room, or the awful room we'll also hear about, first scraping with this long crooked, I'm just going to call it a scrapa. A scrapa. A scrapa, yeah. And just covered in fucking just dank, like that almost black gut blood, and everyone just laughing, and then a laugh track over it. Yeah, absolutely. The marrow room. I think Henry might like that room. I think he might. I think he might. The shrugging berry wall in Willy Wonka. Stop licking the floor, sir. Catherine Knight was, I mean, she wasn't just a murderer. She was also a terrible person. Like, she's the type of,

she's the person who makes your life a living hell at work over some imagined slight. Like, she's the person who swears to hit dogs and cats while she's driving and then laughs about it, which numerous people said she did on a regular basis. Oh my god. I'll tell you what, if I ever met Garfield, he'd call me the Grim Reaper. I hate that. I had a friend who tried to do that. I had a friend who tried to do that with squirrels growing up, but I said no more of that activity. Let the squirrels live. Catherine's temper was legendary, and with that anger came a face that would get as red as a tomato. Now, doctors could never figure out why scientifically, but as Catherine got older, her face became permanently red. I'm going to give two,

I'm going to give maybe two shots in the dark. Number one, she is in the blistering Australian Sun 247, working at the Meatworks, either outside in the bulliel area or inside where they, I don't know where it is. She was in the awful room. Not the awful yard. Which yes, it's true. Well, you know, she was still outside drinking somewhere, and also the booze. I think the booze does sort of give a red tint, because I'd notice it on me and Kessel. As we are getting older, we are becoming more fuchsia. No, absolutely. I'm about to start strategizing war policy. That's how I feel my fate. I'm getting a real Henry Kissinger vibe going right now. Maybe I should stop, but we'll sit. I don't know. Well, interestingly, Catherine Knight didn't start drinking until her 40s.

Really? Before that, she was sober, completely and totally sober. Crazy. Maybe a drink here or there. So she's the Doug Benson of alcoholic, alcoholism in Australia. Right. She was said to be in the lower region of average intelligence, never able to even spell her own name. Because of this, because she was in that lower region, she couldn't actually hold a regular conversation, and she was really only able to communicate with anger and sex. And she used that sex to entrap every man she ever caught, as that was pretty much the first thing all of them mentioned when they asked why they stayed with her as long as they did. All right. All of them, that is, except John Price, as Pricey ain't saying shit anymore. Yeah, dude, especially once you

get turned into furniture, it's very, very difficult to speak. I can imagine her just sitting in school and being like, all right, here we go. I know he must. It's easy. It's easy. Seven points there. All right. K is in cunt. A is in... Well, that's not even a spell. That word that you said that's inappropriate. You can't even get that right, Catherine. That wasn't me saying the letter R. That was me making a thank you noise. All right. Okay. So this guy, now she didn't make him into furniture, though. This is some kind of peewee Herman's playhouse. I mean, technically, she made him into a curtain, but we'll get into that on part two. Kind of add gene vibes here, too. Goodness. She really takes some, she wraps up a bunch of crazy people. Now, this is not just the

story of a murder and not just the story of a serial abuser, although she was definitely both of those things. But it's also the story of the insane neighbor, the town menace, the psychotic coworker we've all had who shifts we dread sharing. This is the story of the town bully. And speaking of which, like after Catherine was arrested, everybody in Aberdeen not only hoped that she'd be found guilty, but they were terrified of the prospect of her ever returning to town. And these were hardened Aussies. These are not necessarily outbacked people, but they're all miners and slaughterhouse workers, and they are terrified of this woman. They are fully engorged Australian men. Right. So they didn't celebrate quite yet, like when problem child got adopted

and all the nuns went crazy. No, no, no. This is actually what one of the townsfolk told the lead officer during the lead up to the trial. We're two robbers all, Bobby, and you're playing the fifth shadow of the Davis Cop and you've got to win it for us, you know? You've got to win it for us. Okay, I got that. The Davis Cup. We're talking soccer. The man used an analogy. We have someone of average intelligence here. I think the Davis Cup is tennis. I don't know. I don't know. And what does it matter? What does it mean? What's it? Two rubbers all. We're two rubbers all, Bobby. It's the guy's name, actually, Bobby. I don't know. No, Bobby's just a nickname for cop. It's all nicknames. Oh, I see. Everything in Australian slang, which we're gonna get into.

But remember, Catherine Knight was also the end of this family line. This is a long family of bullies, encyclopaths that have reigned over Aberdeen. We're gonna get into this whole story, but a part of this is like, it's like baked into the town. It's fucking Seabass. Seabass. But before we get into the life of Abattoir Annie, let's acknowledge our main source, Bloodstain by Peter Laylor. This is a highly recommended book. It's one of those rare true crime books that are both terrifying and fun. Plus, it's chock full of Australian slang. But I would say, you can say that it's not just chock full of Australian slang. It's Ted's Dipe of Wicked Lollies. I don't know what that means, but it sounds fun. So without further ado, let's get into the life

of Catherine Knight, starting with her hometown of Aberdeen, Australia. All right. All right, let's get there. All right, let's get there. All righty then. All righty then. Giant bugs. That's the sound of it. It was boomerang. Yeah. I love it here in Australia. This is a lot of fun. So Aberdeen is a town of about 2,000 people, about three hours north of Sydney. It was a boom town of sorts supported by two industries over the last 120 years it's been in existence. This is a town of mining and meat. In 1891, the Australian meat cutting and freezing company opened its doors and Aberdeen became a slaughterhouse town. Hey, congrats. Nice job. Over a third of the people

in its population worked at the meatworks, as the Australians call it, and at its peak, the slaughterhouse employed over 600 people. You know, everyone wants to malign the slaughterhouse workers, but we're all eating the meat. Thank you for your service. If you work in a slaughterhouse, I appreciate what you do. It's not easy. It's got to really torment the mind. I don't remotely disvalue the slaughterhouse worker. I think it's very difficult work, and I do think you have to be a particular type of person to want to do it because nowadays we have hipster butchers like the meat hook in Williamsburg when you go there. That's like a nice, like these are like classy butchers is not the same. They don't have an awful room because now

awful can be priced very highly and people like me will enjoy it. But also the Australian meat cutting and freezing company at one time, they said they do believe that 80% of the McDonald's patties that were served during that time period while Catherine Knight was working there, eventually would go to go into the mouths of the Australian people. Please, Henry, when you're in Australia, McDonald's is called MACAS. Yep. What is going on here? Cultural differences. That's incredible. All right. The meatworks in Aberdeen were so successful that the company started building barracks for their employees. One strip of houses in particular was reserved for newlyweds. Okay. That strip was known as Honeymoon Lane. Oh, you can just, oh, I can just imagine it.

How nice that must be to be in the honeymoon barracks of the meatworks. Yeah. That does sound kind of romantic. Nice, nice night by the fire. Just the smelling the odors of death. Yes. Because you know it's on the same grounds. Sure. Because you got to be able to walk to work. Oh, absolutely. I like making fuck out here because not only you get my fucking noises, you also get all the sounds of the bone grinding from next door. Oh. Another makes me more hard and allsy than the sounds of bone grinding while I'm punishing my way. Well, all right. So I think you're going to like this new house here. They actually call this Honeymoon Lane. Give it to me. Give it to me. Okay. You and Scott is there for a second. I know I'm trying. All right. Just

remember. Well, Honeymoon Lane was where Catherine Knight would spend part of her childhood. So even though Honeymoon Lane sounds nice, it doesn't. It would if it wasn't next to a meat killing factory or animal killing factory. Even though it technically sounds nice, the low skill transient nature of slaughterhouse work meant that this place was chock full of criminals. Sure. Now, not all the meat workers were bad people, of course, but it definitely attracted whole families of mischief makers. And one of the most notorious in Aberdeen was the Knight family. Okay. This whole fucking motley crew of, but what is it with Australian crime and like the family nature of it? Yeah. Like when you read about the Snowden murders or like the,

the, the, uh, what was the movie? I went to like Animal Farm. It was Animal Farm that like did the same. It was based off another real Australian family where they all just kind of bound together. And they're all like, like Backwood's Adams family. They're also mixed with the Firefly family. Yeah. Now these people, the Knights, they weren't active criminals per se, but they were definitely what one would refer to in Australia as a bunch of legless, fair dinkum bogans. Oh, don't call them that. Do not say that. Honestly, I, I do feel like there's a couple of choice sentences you have put in here, Marcus, that will put a fucking fat wha on your head when you go to Australia. Check out these fair dinkum bogans down the street. I am going to get absolutely legless, sir.

Okay. I don't know what it means, but I, I sounds like you want to have legs. I don't know do they chop them off. I'm not sure. No, that means that they were, they were drunk, true rednecks. I see. Yeah. Okay. Well, in fact, you know, they're, they were pretty much like they weren't, I wouldn't say criminals. They were mischief makers because in Catherine is really the only one of them who has a serious criminal record. And even then she was never actually charged with anything serious until that fateful leap day in the year 2000. Oh, let's just, she, let's just say she made up for all the crime-less years. Well, that's the thing is that it's not to say she wasn't committing serious crimes from the time she was about 15. I'm only saying she was never charged.

Okay. So she's not like a Maserati. She didn't go from zero to skinning someone alive in like no seconds. No one, no. But Kissel, seriously, what do we learn about this kind of shit is that that's, that's never the case. No. Right. With Catherine Knight, it's like while it's, it's a crime that's only known for its most horrific ends in the United States and actually not even very well known in the United States. Catherine Knight has like a whole, that's why we're doing this from the, from nuts to soup, soup to nuts. Yeah. Because a part of this is to see how that nutty soup was made back in her childhood. I don't want to ever think of that again. Oh, nutty soup. I don't want to think about nutty soup. Okay. So let's, let's get the speed, speedometer up here. Yeah. This woman, she was a lifelong

purveyor of violence, both domestic and otherwise. And she should have gone to jail numerous times for everything ranging from assault with a deadly weapon to child endangerment, bordering on attempted murder. And just like it was with Keklinski and a ton of these other people, Catherine's origin is a combination of nature and nurture. She said that she could sum up her upbringing in two words, sad and bad. Marcus, correct you. I'll correct you. Sad and bait. Actually, I will correct you. Sid and Bid. Sid Bid. Well, it rhymes. It's not good. I'll tell you what, either way, it's not good. Because the A becomes an E. It's like, like, like that, I love that hat. I love that hit. I love that hit. All right. Well, this is for a different offshoot show where we try to teach people accents. So it's

it. So she described your childhood in two words, six letters, not easy to do. But that just shows you kind of her intelligence, sad and bad. Sad and bad. I would say though, we did make a little bit of a comment on her intelligence, but there's many people, including several investigators on her case eventually, like she had cunning. Yes. That was what was different. This is a part of it. She had an instinctual reaction to be to figure out how to be the most nihilistic slash vengeful. Like, she could both be ultra reactionary. Well, she'll do something in a moment and like do an impulse like stab you in the face or she'll sit and she'll plan her comeback. She'll plan her vengeance for many, many months, which is the true skill of the lady criminal. That's the only way I'll tell

the difference is that they really know how to plan and wait. Yeah, we don't really plan too far ahead, but the lady criminal can really set out like a two year plan and really follow through. Okay. Execute. Yeah. Well, this is what Catherine Knight's half brother said about their childhood. This is a direct quote. If you dig deep enough, as it is, it's grubby as all shite, our family. It's grubby as shite, mate. The family is right into the car. It's right into the car like an animal. The family is rotten to the core. It's rotten to the car. Interesting. Now, when you say rotten to the car, half brother, when you say half brother now missing the legs, arms or anything I don't know what these people look like. Yes, that's the that's the thing in Australia is that

most Australians don't have legs. I did not know that. Yeah, that's why the sled industry is so big there. And having other men pull you on the sled is a common courtesy. You leave there. It's called leaving your ropes out because when you go to a store, you leave your ropes out and hopefully some guy is going to come walking away like one of the legless guys in the one of the leg full guys in the community. I get it. Sled. I think we're really nailing it. Well, Peter Laylord points out in bloodstain that the Knights were legend in Aberdeen long before Catherine was even born and not legendary in a good way. They were violent rodeo people often seen chockers down the boozers as the Australians say it just means drinking a lot.

Chockers down the boozers. Chockers down the boozers. Chockers down the boozers. Yeah. All right. So Ken Knight, Catherine's father was actually Catherine's mother's second husband. Okay. She'd had four boys in 10 years with her first husband, Jack Ruegan, who ran the Slaughterhouse pig farm. Yeah, I run this farm and I tell you what, I take a look at that Winnie the Pooh and the first thing I think of is I'd like to see the guts. All right, full of honey. I bet you Winnie the Pooh honestly would taste incredible if you really think about honey making. Honestly, if I was Christopher, they need to read you that Christopher Robbins movie, make it in Australia, give him a knife, just man eat Winnie the Pooh. Can you imagine if we raised Winnie the Pooh's

the way we raise cows and there's a slaughterhouse that's only dedicated to slaughtering a bunch of Winnie the Pooh's? Oh bother them coming through all just filled with onyme and like, don't worry, no, there's mischief in here. And he's like, oh, that sounds nice. I can't do Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. Them just like stabbing him in the base of his brain. He's like that fucking cheezer and shits himself. Oh man. And then the Eeyore's like, they never eat me. I don't know what Winnie the Pooh sounds like. No, I imagine Eeyore just takes a knife himself and he's like, you want to see? Oh, you think that I'm not the alien Smith of this fucking group? Eeyore was always my favorite. No one liked Eeyore, but he was dead on. I like Eeyore just fine.

All right. He's fine. He's fine. Well, Jack Ruegen died in 1957, either of alcoholism or from his fondness of Bex powders. What the hell is that? They're like, it's like a speedy Australian version of aspirin that eventually they took the speedy ingredient out because it was causing cancer and liver failure all across the country. Okay. They also want to tell us what to do with our bodies all the time. And I would say it was like when they took all the good stuff out of pseudofed. Yeah. Which is really sad. So by the time Barber Knight was done having kids with Ken, she'd popped out eight with the last five coming at the rate of one a year, including Catherine and her twin sister, Joey, who thankfully missed the evil gene that Catherine

was afflicted with. Okay. Joey had a lot of anger and they would fight pretty brutally, but it just seems like that was just kind of how they were raised. They would like punch each other in the face and shit, but I think that was just weird sibling fights. Yeah, it's just small town fun. Yeah. They were, they were definitely a family that would like full on beat the shit out of each other at any point. Okay. Now, the reason why Barber Knight had so many kids was because of her husband's violent and insatiable need for sex, which was on full display for all of the kids to see, including Catherine. Her father would chase her mother around the house for sex. And when he caught her, he'd beat her in a submission. All of this happened in full view of the kids.

This was a loveless, terrifying, violent, sexually abusive home. I don't understand certain things like this. Like the idea of that kind of, it seems to be a definitely people that are like living this kind of hardcore lifestyle, like working in the meat factory. It's long, long hours. People are like, I don't know why the heaven sex in front of your kids is a thing. It's a, I would say it's not, I wouldn't say necessarily it's a small town thing, but you know, I heard tell. I don't hear it happen a lot in like, in a penthouse in 34th street. I heard tell of shit like this when I was growing up. All right. So we've got a small, small town activity going on here. I wouldn't call it a small town activity.

I'm just trying to move on. This is, this is sad. We're allowed to have conversations about that. I understand what's going on here. Catherine Knight, poor gal Joy. You know, they didn't have a lot going on there. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. You know, not, not, not, not a lot of cinemas to go to. No, no. Well, Catherine said that she herself was molested by her older half brothers, but this claim is up for debate. Now by the psychiatrist that examined Catherine when she was older. Now we're not saying she was lying is there is some behavioral evidence to support her claims, but Catherine wielded her story like a sword, using it as an excuse for all of the abusive behavior she inflicted on others. And that's if she even admitted that she committed the abuse.

And if she did admit it, it was never actually her fault anyway. And if it was her fault, then they deserved it. Okay. Because Catherine Knight is yet another textbook narcissist, as per my half ass quoting of the popular narcissist prayer meme. Oh, and when Catherine Knight reached adolescence, that's when the borderline personality disorder kicked in. It seems to really kick in about this time all the time, right? Because like that kind of thing, because I know like schizophrenia, certain disorders pop up like later, like you can hit like 25 and all of a sudden you're talking to Smurfs and you're going to go kill Moby and all of a sudden it's like, why is this happening? And it just kind of happens within like three months.

Yeah. It was not a pleasant surprise when bipolar started up when I was 22. That wouldn't fly at all. That's about when it starts around like, you know, between 15 and 25. That's usually when these personality disorders start up. So that's really nice and reassuring. Can't trust your brain until you're 30. And then you can't trust your brain because of all the shit that you've done up to being your 30. And then it just gets worse as you get older. So seek medical attention if you feel like you need it. Yeah, of course. And you know, and of course we're of course not saying that all people with borderline personality disorder are capable of these kinds of crimes. And in fact, a psychiatrist named Dr. Delaforce made pains to make this very point in Catherine's

trial. He said that what she did on the night in question was part of her personality, her nature itself. But it is not a feature of borderline personality disorder. It is not even slightly connected. Right. The reason why we bring it up though, is because Catherine's attorney tried blaming her crimes on borderline personality disorder as well as PTSD from her childhood. Okay. But again, people don't kill and skin their romantic partners because their borderliner have PTSD. They do it because it's in that person's specific nature. Yes. It's like the it's it's like the most extreme version of like different strokes for different folks. Sure. So she went a little Casey Anthony with the trial. A little woe is me. Yeah,

she went woe is me her entire fucking life. Okay. There's a lot of parallels for me besides, I mean, not the money, but there's a lot of parallels to OJ Simpson for me in her story, where it's like she has this long, long, I mean, like this is the story of an abusive woman who it's like she she this violence was like born in. I don't think her fucking childhood helped at all. I don't think that that made her I don't think that that helped her because there are people that have a personality disorder, but because you're raised in a loving environment, you're like totally good to go like you're totally fine. With something somebody like her, she then goes up to the trial and she's very resistant to the trial. We'll get to it,

but then it becomes a gigantic media circus. Although when OJ was like, you know, throwing the pigskin, it was a football. And I think they were actually throwing pigskins like really weird human flesh frisbees. It's a different time. Well, Catherine, she had plenty of nurture to go along with her nature. She left school at 15, unable to read or write. But that was pretty much par for the course in Aberdeen. If you were on the fast track to the meatworks, if you were on the fast track to the meatworks. Okay, all right. A lot of the kids just marked time in the classroom until they were old enough to hold a knife. And working at the slaughterhouse was actually Catherine's dream, because working at the meatworks was the family business.

Hey, okay. That's what she said. I always wanted to follow in my father's footsteps, scraping the congealed blood out of them, the marrow out of their body. I love doing all that. And it's kind of like, I got sit next to my mind at lunch, and I say, wait a second, you still, you spill a bowl of soap? And he's like, no, my soup's in here in my bowl. Like, well, I guess more pussy must be salivating. So this is really, this is her dream gig. She accomplished her main goal in life. Dude, these people, the Knight family, they're pretty much the Sawyers from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Catherine Knight, she is Lady Leatherface. Oh, this is the reboot that needs to be made. I would see that. Catherine failed her first

audition at the meatworks. What? How did she fail? Because she kept sucking on ears and shit. Yeah, I mean, how do you fail this? She seems so adamant about getting the job. I don't know, but she failed her first, I don't know, maybe she just choked under pressure. But once she was deemed good enough, Catherine got a job scraping blood and marrow from the carcasses in what they called the Earthel Room. And I will say, man, and it was right next door to the really awful room, which you did not want to go into. No, absolutely not. And it's Earthel spelled O-F-F-A-L. No, it's not like the awful room, it's the Earthel Room. And then I'll tell you what, they're also, again, another awful joke. There's nothing awful about awful.

It's actually quite delicious, especially if it's prepared well. And the idea of these meats being dignified or signified as lower class meats is the saddest part. So now in the Gorg May community, we can elevate them so everyone can see the pleasures of gut meat. No, you just, they branded your disgusting love of disgusting cuisine as fancy, but it's still disgusting. Yeah, I think just the farmers figured out a way to sell you something for $10 that they used to sell to gas stations for 10 cents. Thank you. You know how Notre Dame, the Notre Dame football team, they have a little sign above their door that says, play like a champion today. And I have a feeling in the awful room, it just has a little placard that says,

someone's got to do it. And then they slap that and then they run in there and they're like, I'm going to take out all the marrow and I'm going to be the best marrow digger there is. That was her. And then they do it. Yeah, okay. Well, Catherine worked her way up the ranks from the Earthel Room until finally she became a boner. And finally became a boner. Woo. This is a woo. We are having fun. We are having so much fun. And with that, she got her very own set of knives. And she loved those knives like her children. Okay. And I'll name you Knifey One. And I'll name you Knifey Two. And I'll name you Kate Junior. And I'll name you Knife. Well, she got one name in there. That's good.

But she just loved the knives. She loved the environment as well. Sometimes she just, she'd wander through the slaughterhouse just going and visiting whoever just to kind of get a feel for the place. Her favorite place besides the Earthel Room or the boning room was the pig room. She'd go to the pig room just to watch the pigs die and to hang out with the old man who is in charge of slaughtering the pigs. And this is a quote from the old man. This tells you what type of people that like Catherine and I was like really into hanging out with. Okay. I enjoy doing it. I love doing the pigs. Watching them shake like shape. Freethin' at the mouth and eyes. Rollin' big in his sockets. I understand we all eat bacon.

We all like pepperoni. I just don't like the idea. They just really get a thrill out of it. That's, that's the strange thing. I mean, I guess they'd need to. Otherwise, you'd have like a high turnover, right? You gotta have a guy, you gotta have the guy that loves the sledgehammer. The guy is like, you don't use that gun. That gun's no good. Well, that's the reason why she failed the first audition. And I honestly believe this. As a person, if I were to run a slaughterhouse, I want to see that guy like big smile on his face, like maybe some like Michael Jackson's thriller playing in the background. He's like doing little dances as he stabbing the pigs because you know we're going to get really good content from this

person. Okay. And Catherine enjoyed every second of her time at the slaughterhouse. But watching the kills wasn't the only joy Catherine got from the job. That's also where she would meet her first husband, David Kellett in 1974. All right. Now, Kellett was, like all of Catherine's serious relations, a good mate with a gut full of piss, as the Australians say. That is clear as day, I know exactly what that is. Sounds like it could lead to an infection, but that's just me. All right. Now, the two of them dated for a while, but one day, Catherine just told David during their lunch break that, hey, we're getting married. Okay. Because see, Catherine, she was 18, and in meatworks years, that meant she was supposed to already be married with a kid on the way.

Wow. So Catherine was able to easily bully Kellett into marrying her. But that wasn't just because she was a skilled manipulator, which she was. It was also due to her size. Now, I couldn't find Catherine's exact dimensions. Like, I mean, she wasn't like China size or anything like that, but she was still big. And she would always purposely choose men who were much smaller than her. She's like Nia Jax, the unstoppable force. She's a great professional wrestler. Honestly, though, what I heard in documentary, she's six foot one, six foot one redhead, with a tiny little man named David Kellett. And I got to say, man's living the dream. I don't think he had to do a lot of manipulation. And I'll tell you one thing. This is someone who

knows her experience. And it's also, it's good. Just like you love these, these tall red head women. You love them. You love them. Just know for a fact, they will kill you. They're going to kill you. And I know this and I'm excited about it. All right. And Catherine Knight's strength was known all over Aberdeen. And it was said that she had a man's hands that could take down someone with a single punch. No, I'm having one. I'm having a right one right there. She's like that gal that Jerry Seinfeld turned down on that episode of Seinfeld because she had man hands. Man hands. That was fun. You know, that show, what was that show about? That show was about nothing. It's a show about nothing. And that's how you say it as a critic of it when you're

really upset. It's a show about nothing. Right. But that's not to say that David Kellett wasn't into this relationship at least a little bit. See, Catherine, she liked to do guy stuff. She liked to shoot. She liked to hunt. She didn't drink, but she didn't care if he did. And most importantly, she liked to root, as they say. Well, now what the hell is that? She sounds fun. She liked to root. She liked to book. Oh, yeah. David Kellett said sometimes up to like 10 times a day. And even though this horny, horny woman, and you got to keep up with it, you got to keep up with it or we find out what the consequences are. She's the walt or she's the Wilt Chamberlain of Slaughterhouse employees. And even though this term sounds like pretty awful, and it's

probably like a terrible insult in Australia, Catherine Knight was what you called a root rat. It's interesting because it is the, the, the version of it. Like in my mind, when I see like a rat with breasts, like really, really horny, like there's a part of me that like gets it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if you saw one of those old, like if you saw an old bootleg Disney cartoon, like what Kuklinski was making in the factory and him putting out and those kind of things where it was like, you could see it on an eight millimeter kind of like projection screen of like two like off-rand Mickey mouses having sex with each other. Sure. All right. Root rat. I can get behind that. Yeah. I can't imagine the term is that bad, but I'm sure we'll hear about it if

it is. And that compulsive sexual behavior, that's what caused Catherine's first bit of psychopathic violence with her and David. Now the two got married in a proper Australian ceremony, which is to say they spent two full days drinking before they actually got married, or at least David did. So when the wedding night came, David call it, he could only fuck three times. I mean, that's a lot. That's enough. That's enough. That's a lot. Thing was Catherine knew that her parents, they'd rooted five times on their wedding night. Oh my God. Well, how the hell does she know that? Don't go into details. All right. So after David fell asleep, Catherine just sat there just stewing about it. What? Mom and dad did it five. Mom and dad did it five. Well, that's not

helping me get around. Mom and daddy did it in really five times. I can just imagine the coil of my father's neck. Oh, I see me up to my ankles. Yeah. Good lord. Yeah. Mom and dad did it five. Well, yeah, but that's not helping me get around. Mom and dad. Mom and dad did it five. Five. I'll make, I'll do, can we do it seven times tomorrow? Well, before David knew it, he was awake and Catherine was choking him out, yelling about how many times her parents had fucked on their wedding night. Well, it would have been nice if you would have informed me about this before the marriage. Because I can't get out of the situation. I could have had some water. I could have had my drink and some water. I could have eaten some celery. I don't know,

because I heard celery makes your splooches bigger. I'm not sure. It's not true, Marcus. Don't be like, no, it's not true. I hear Skiddle's work. I know. It doesn't happen. Okay. Well, after Catherine finally stopped after he finally got her to stop yelling, me, mom and dad did it five times, me and did it four times, four times, four times, four times. And then like, not even like, it does sound in a way, it's kind of fun and cute, but it's not, I mean, it's not really assaulting him. It's not like she was straight up punching him in the face. Yes. Choking him out. Like it was scariest fuck. She was a foot taller than him. And again, it does sound erotic to a small man such as myself, but it's not. None of this is erotic.

She was beaten a shirt out of her. Yes, she was. And when she finally went to sleep, like David said, he could not help but think about the words that Catherine's mother had told him just hours before. You better watch out this one. She'll fucking kill you. And that's coming from the mother who's also terrifying. She's also another like, shifty, will steal your wallet as soon as stab me in the fucking asshole and then steal your wallet. Wow, that's not good. Now, despite a rocky start, Kelly said the first couple of years of marriage were pretty good. But after Catherine became pregnant with her first child, shit started to change pretty fast. And one night,

Kelly had been out late at a darts tournament. And even though Catherine didn't mind him drinking, she would lose her mind if he was even a second late. You know how this kind of goes too. When you do the things sort of been like, All right, Kate, I'm gonna go out tonight. I'm gonna just have some fun with the leads. And she's like, Sure, have a great time. Have a great time. You mean it? You mean because I'm gonna go out. I might be a bit late. Is it all right? Yeah. Yeah, it's all right. I bet you'll have a really good time with your leads. Well, yeah, it's like, Yeah, I will. So, so we're good, right? This went better than I thought it would. All right, I'll see you when I'm home. And she turns the kitchen timer to two hours and just

listens to it click every second. No, when he was a little bit late, she burned all his clothes and then fractured his skull with a frying pan when he got home. Well, you're gonna want to not have frying pans around. I don't know. Geez, she's like left eye. Yeah. At least it's not messing around with Audrey Ryzen, which she burned down his house. She did burn down his house. That's right. But a part of it too. It's like, it's again, it wasn't like fucking bugs money. No, she cracked his fucking skull open with a cast iron skillet. Yeah, this isn't cute. You know, I mean, this is like full on horrific abuse. Like she cried. She hit him with a iron skillet. He managed to stumble across the street to his friend's place. And when they call the,

then they call the ambulance F full on skull fracture. Is this all happening on Honeymoon Lane or have they moved on? You know what? I think they'd moved on by this, but I don't think she moved into mom and dad's place. I think they moved somewhere else. All right. They're at Porky Pig's Valley. I don't know where they go. But a part of it is that when he, when she hit him in the head to, because then again, we're in this fun little world, right? They ask him, what happened to you? And he's like, I, it's an accident. Like he has to do the kind of classic because the Australian kind of machismo, like there's something about like, there being like a quote unquote strong man in Australia is like, you cannot admit that your wife is almost beating

you to death. Well, after their kid, Melissa was born, the mood swings and anger flashes got even worse. And her behavior at the meatworks was getting creepier. She started going down to the pig man with more regularity. Now she was killing animals herself, nicking arteries so she could watch him bleed out on the floor. And she'd just sit there and she'd smile and watch. Well, this is before Netflix. There wasn't a lot on Australian television. I don't think the pig man was also necessarily the most popular man at the slaughterhouse. So it's like the two of them together. And I think maybe it's they're almost being like, well, at least their friends, at least they can go and occupy each other where it's a two and be like, you know, it's funny. So if you give it a

little bit of a deeper nick, the blood will shoot out all over your shows. And she's like, you're my best friend. This is just fun. This is wonderful. Oh, my. Another time, Catherine took a knife to one of the other girls who'd pissed her off in the awful room for whatever reason, didn't get fired, just took a knife to her. Because of Catherine's increasingly violent behavior, Kellett started stepping out. And eventually he found a woman to run off with. But he knew that Catherine wasn't going to let him go as she was violently possessive. So David gave notice to a supervisor at the meatworks and left in the middle of the night. It's important to remember these guys are there 19. Yeah, when this is happening. So this is very young. So Kelly didn't

really know what he was signing himself up for. Like the way he kind of said it's like when they got married, it was definitely like the thing to do. She was really cute, obviously taller than him, which is awesome for him. And then he was not like all this kind of got blindsided like on him when the night that they got married, all of this behavior where she became truly, truly reckless. And so eventually he became very afraid. And like we're going to see is the pattern with the other men that Catherine Knights are going to be with, they have to like sneak around and figure out how to literally escape from make sense. Yeah, she's very violent. Yeah, all she knew is that David had fucked off to Queensland. So not knowing how to handle it. Catherine threatened

to slice up her daughter with her hard one boning knives. For that she was admitted to a psychiatric hospital only after allegedly swinging her infant daughter by the ankles. Kind of like Michael Jackson. Like with Blanket. Yes. Although they demonized Michael for that, but Blanket seems to be doing great. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he didn't drop him off a balcony. Yes. No one was like, oh, he brought him back in ever like he hung his child out the window. He didn't drop him. And for Michael, not the strongest guy on earth. Blanket is only just fine because Blanket has not directly killed anyone yet, which I think is still in the works. We'll find out. But well, apparently this not only it started with one documentary said that it watched she took the pram, the kid in the pram,

and went out on the street and started serpentine racing it down the middle of the street and swinging it back and forth and then picking the kid up out of it. It's going like, as a baby, as a baby, as a baby until finally somebody put her in a fucking padded room because she had just took over a town square. Yeah. Wow. But she was very soon let out after putting in that padded room. They gave her antidepressants in a ride home. Okay. And of course, it didn't do jack shit for a mental state. So the second break came pretty soon after this time, she took the baby down to the train tracks and left the baby on the tracks knowing the next coal train was due any minute. Geez, well, you got to take the baby away. Well, luckily, old Ted was down there. Oh, thank god for old Ted.

He's forging for nuts and berries. I don't know why they have they have restaurants, but I watched the tracks every day. And I looked down on the cheeks one day and I said, that's a funny looking apple. I have to take it was a screaming. I guess I'll take it down to my fire for roasting. And then someone explained to me, it's a baby. Well, I was a hero that day and all I asked for was that baby's weight worth an apple. So I can roast him on my fire. All right, we got a hero in the story. Yeah, old Ted found the baby right before the coal train came. And they said they saw old Ted like walking up a hill, like looking kind of confused, like, whose baby is this? Found a baby here. Found a baby. Meanwhile, Catherine had found an axe. And she was stalking up and down

the street, screaming that she was going to kill them all. And people, they were hiding inside their houses. They had all their curtains closed. They were ducking down, hoping that Catherine wouldn't come for them. Okay, but this is how this is how you properly get 10% off at Macy's. And then if you get one of those axes and start swinging around in a circle, someone's going to eventually come and bring you what it is you're asking. But now this is a this is a 20 year old woman, right? Maybe 20, 20, 20, 20, 20. Early 20s. How is everyone like, where's the adult? Where is the person being like, Catherine put the put the axe down? I remember there was a one quote from the constable who said he saw like Catherine walking down the street with the axe. And

all he said was like, Crocky, there she goes. Come on. Do something. It was. But you remember again, right? This is kind of all like, weirdly in good fun. They're used to seeing the Knight family pop off, like watching her come out and do this thing. It was kind of just hard baked into their world, where the people just kind of need to let off steam every once in a while. Every small town has a family like this. Trust me. Yeah, every so we had, we had at least two of them, where they were just these, these families that for some reason, like good people for the most part, but they just pop off. Well, they tend to be a little violent. They tend to just not necessarily have their shit together, even though they got hearts of gold. Sure. But except, you know,

but there's all also sometimes that one member of the family who is a just straight up dangerous psychopath for whatever reason. Well, and oftentimes they have hearts of gold because they huff a lot of spray paint that may or may not be gold. You really want a heart of blood and valves. But nonetheless, that that's fine. They're always that one family where it's like, it's only when he's drinking and he's like, well, he drinks at 10am and doesn't stop until 4am. So it's all the time. He's learned the formula of how to be at ease all the time. Okay. Well, eventually Catherine Knight was arrested again and was locked up in the middle ward again and was let loose again. Okay. And then she had another breakdown. And this time she came damn close

to wiping out an entire family. And here's why I have very little to no sympathy for Catherine Knight. Someone like Eileen Wernos, for example, she didn't have a chance to get help with her mental problems. At no point did Eileen Wernos have any chance whatsoever. Catherine Knight had three chances within the span of about two months. Okay. You know, she was a obviously a very ill person. And she could have turned her life around had she taken an iota of responsibility for herself and are obviously dangerous behavior. But she never even tried. And a lot of people suffered for it. Well, does she have fun with it? Were the knives talking to her? No. Friends with the yaks? Was it a good time? Was she enjoying her life? I think she lived a life. I believe she

lived the life of high stress, broken apart by moments of drunken fun. Like they did have one thing is that eventually, we'll find out that I mean, David went back to her after all this, like he again, and he kept going back. And there was one time that they all remember the one real happy memory they have of her was that David threw her surprise 21st birthday party. And she was just like, I feel like a princess. Because now when have I done this for me before? And she was like, they were like, he was just kissing himself. But this was after she sent him to the emergency room by cracking his skull open. So it has this other this dark back to it where it's a bunch of people walking on eggshells around this one person, which is how a narcissist this type of person

keeps control over everyone by basically holding them hostage. Yeah, I'm really surprised he had the courage to throw her a surprise party doesn't seem like someone I would like to see shocked or like, unaware of what's about to happen. She could have just killed everyone. And then maybe you can then that would have been the best birthday of her life. Yes. So after Kath was released the second time, she decided it was time to make the whole town pay for her misfortunes. See, Catherine thought that she didn't really have to worry about Dave Kelly leaving. And that's what precipitated this entire thing was Dave Kelly leaving her. The reason why she thought that was because Dave Kelly's truck had broken down. She's like, well, if he goes anywhere, he's just going

to go somewhere in Aberdeen. But his truck got fixed. So he went to Queensland. And that is because it was fixed by Hoppy, the town's one legged mechanic. Or tell you what, you're just lucky I got two ends. Well, I would be the town's one legged one handed mechanic. Yes. So I'm not very good on it because honestly, I just wish that somebody, anybody would let me quit being a mechanic. I guess that's so they call him hoppy because he has one. Yes, they're funny. Yes, they've got the Australians are quite the humorous folk. All right. And the thing is, is that, okay, Hoppy had fixed the truck. Okay. But the town had produced the girl that David had run away with. So they were on the hook for everything. Ah, I see. Yes. All the

town's fault that David had left. So it was the town that was going to pay. Oh, God. Catherine had been staying at her parents house since her last stint at the hospital. So she left early one morning with her infant daughter in tow and went back to her place to gather some things. Okay. After gathering up a check, a knife with a big curved blade, a pair of scissors, and some bandages. Catherine went down the street to the house of a teenager she worked with at the slaughterhouse named Margaret Macbeth. Margaret's mother opened the door and cast told her, my baby is sick and I need a ride to the doctor. So the mother gathered up all her kids, got in the car and drove down to Catherine's. What a pain in the ass. Yeah. I mean, honestly,

it's so nice that they help. But it's just like, because you can imagine her showing up with a bundle that I can't imagine. Does it look like it's not filled with knives with the baby on their hips being like, baby sick go go hospital. Yeah. And she's just like, all right. Pim one, Pim two, knifey one, knifey two. It's a fan. It's a town name. They found her on the corner of her house, dressed in her standard purple top and jeans combo. She had the baby carriage sitting next to her. And Marge and her mother got out to help. But when Catherine saw the mother had brought all the kids along, she got a little agitated. She reportedly stared at them and said, it's too fucking many of you. I'll have to get rid of some of you. And that's when she

reached into the baby carriage where the baby was sleeping and pulled out her gigantic curved slaughter knife. Fuck, dude. It's like the penguin. That's not a child's toy. I'm just going to say that. And she went after Marge first, who managed to scramble up to the porch. She only got a cut on the cheek. Catherine then showed them the scissors and the bandages and told them she was going to slide some all up and bandage them all back together. Don't let anybody say I didn't do nothing for ya. Because I dare it. I'll stab you and I'll fix it. I'll do the whole dang, dang. So can you how scary that would be? Because that's like the type of like unhinged mania where she went to set up the bit. She did a prop comedy bit in the middle of trying to kill the family.

Right. Yeah. So she's chasing this family around like the nihilists in the Big Lebowski, flapping the scissors together. For some reason, the scissors terrify me more than the knife. Yeah. Because I think the knife is a clean, cut at least scissors. It's like dull and just the snapping sound. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one thing they noticed is that the whole time they were on the porch, Catherine was up there looking for something. Yeah. Cause how scary this fucking shit was. Yeah. And it turned out the night before Catherine's father had gone over there and taken the gun that Catherine usually kept out front. Had he not done that, it's almost a certainty that Catherine Knight would have killed at least two people that day, if not the

entire family. So her father just went over there and was just like, just going to take this. Yeah. Just, just walk away slowly. Yeah. He did the Seth MacFarlane getting off the plane on 911. Yes. Bad feeling. Bad feeling. Okay. But still, the knife was enough to hold him hostage. So she demanded they drive her to Queensland to find David Kellett. Think about this. She's got her own baby with her. She is with this woman and all of her kids, she's got a fucking curved blade to her throat. And she's like, we're going to go find my husband right now. And I was like, that's a difficult hostage situation number one, because kids don't make good hostages because they're not disciplined yet. But the mother was quick with an idea. She told Cath that they needed to stop

off at the servo for a bit of petrol. Very good. Thank you. Which Cath was totally down with, because then she'd be able to cash the check that she'd brought. So she's going to run errands? And then she used the hostage situation to also run errands. Okay. Once they got there though, the whole family managed to escape Catherine and lock themselves up in the office of the servo. This only made Catherine angrier. Okay. Because after that, she used her unbelievable strengths to rip a metal blade off a tractor hitched mower. She's fucking, it's fucking insane, dude. She wrapped because she needed something stronger to hack through the door. She's just hacking at this door with the whole family inside all crying. She's still got her baby. Yeah, because she's got the

pram going back and forth in her left hand. She's been like, sleep now. It's Tommy, she may be Tommy should be even happy. Get out here, you fucking hogs. Get out here, you fucking pigs. Let me see your brain. Let me see your groin. Then she spotted Hoppy. Oh, oh, just a simple hope and day. I hope no one comes and takes the stick. Thankfully, she dropped the blade and didn't hurt Hoppy. Really? But she did steal his crutch because the crutch had more leverage and she used the crutch to smash up everything she could see. And eventually, she got in the office. Oh my god, dude. We have Winnie the Pooh. He's one of the pigs and now that's definitely the Eeyore. Okay, I guess I'll just go back home. I'll just lie here then. Okay. I guess I don't need to be fixing

cars all day. No, like I go to job. All right. Poor Hoppy. Yeah, I know, man. She, then once she got inside the office, she grabbed one of the kids, held a knife up to his throat. Geez. And finally, the police showed up and convinced her to free the boy. But after she freed the boy, they came at her with brooms, like herding her, trying to keep her in arms. What is she doing? What is she doing? She's swiping at these brooms. It's a real story. It is happening. And then finally, she just ran out of gas. She just collapsed. She got tired. She got tired. Like her rage just ran out. Okay. So then she laid down next to Hoppy and had a fun conversation. Yeah, she collapsed to the floor and again, taken to the mental hospital. Oh my god. Nobody

helped me up at all. Don't worry about it. I'll hop and take care of himself then. All right. Don't worry about it. Don't hand me a stick. Don't give me a bit of open hand. Just let me stay in this ditch. Great. I'll use my hands then. Great. Oh man. And that's all. You know, just mental hospital. No, no. And no real treatment either. She kidnapped a family. I mean, but that's the thing. Those were only true breakdowns. No, I know. Aside from the whole skinning and butchering your common law husband thing, but right. No, I understand that. I know it's the seventies. I know it's Australia, little backwoods, perhaps small town. She's still kidnapped a family. I would think they would put behind bars a little bit. This is her getting it out of her

system. Yeah. I mean, the system definitely shares some blame on this as well. I mean, like, at no point did the doctors in the various mental hospitals she visited diagnose her with anything. I mean, this whole thing, it's like like the Catherine Knight story. It's like Richard Chase in slow motion. I see. Yes. Because Richard Chase, he went through the same shit, right? Again, Richard Chase was just mental illness, fucking run amok. Right. And they don't really know what to do because I mean, what can you do all the time? It's like you have to, I don't know the legality is of permanently putting somebody in a mental asylum. I think that it gets to a point there's really only so long they can hold you. I think they take you and unless you're

being charged with the crime, which would require Margaret and all them to, I guess, to charge you with the crime and seek out like an AVO, which we'll find out about later. The police can charge you with the kidnapping of a family. Well, kidnapping of a family assault with a deadly weapon destruction of property stealing a crutch. Yeah, dude. But that's actually that's a common pastime in rural Australia. Oh, right. In other words, like Catherine Knight, like this is a failure on a lot of levels. Meanwhile, David Kellett had heard about the whole thing. Yeah, of course, since Catherine had conditioned him to do so, he blamed himself. And so he decided, let's give the whole thing another go. Why? He goes back to her. Because of this. All right.

Honestly, he got his new girlfriend knocked up in Queensland. And he just boogered out. Like, he was just out of town. He said it wasn't working out. Yeah, yes. As opposed to the previous relationship that was working out great. But he like all like he left for a day. It was like that where he was like living this kind of idyllic life, quote unquote, with his new girlfriend, which he was now pregnant. Well, I don't think it was a deal. It was a huge mess. But then he's someone's like, you know, David, you know that, Keith, like, went off the ranch, right? And he's like, love that woman. That Cass, she's got a couple of kangaroos loose in the upper paddock. He's understanding. Wow. Just that is you're doing what I did with the Scientology

episodes where you're fully certain to absorb the slang and you will eventually become actually Australian. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to going Australia. I'm like what happened with the Scientology episode? He's not losing his soul, which is what happened. You lost a piece that those episodes. I obviously didn't need it. All right. Well, even though both David and Kath were saying, let's give this thing another go. Kath's family blamed Kelly for the whole thing. Oh my God. And didn't want her anywhere near David Kelly. Because in their eyes, it was never really Catherine's fault either. Because that's the other thing about Catherine and I is that she was enabled by her family, her entire fucking life. Nothing was ever her fault.

They always came back like poor Kathy. Yes, Kathy's got problems. But Kathy would constantly lie to them about everything. She would lie to her children about everything. And so they were only getting half of the story. They weren't getting the half of the story where she was fracturing her partner's skulls with frying pans. Right. So David went to pick Catherine up at her parents' house. And he was waiting outside in his truck when Barbara, Catherine's mother, walked outside to give him what for? What the hell are you doing here trying to pick up my daughter? I'm the tiny groom. You know me. So she reached into the window. Barbara did. Catherine's mother reached into the window and wrapped her hands around David's throat, started choking him.

And David just sat there taking it. But Catherine wasn't going to let her mother do that to her man. So Catherine walked outside, grabbed her mother by the shoulder, spun her around and just fucking one punched her in the head. And her mother went straight to the fucking dirt and did not get up. Wow. Well, this is the most romantic moment so far in the relationship. I'm the only one that will strangle my husband and try to kill him. Leave him alone. David just like, oh. And she was very, I think like they were used to this. There's a lot of stuff where it's like, I don't wonder what she told them about the relationship. I also wonder what she just told them. And then they weren't, they were just like, hey, got that basted. Like every single

time she's like, yeah, and then I almost burst his brains out with a frying pan. And the moms was like, you truly are my daughter. Right. Could be. Could be. So after that, Catherine, David, and their daughter drove away and moved to Queensland far away from Catherine's family. And Catherine managed to continue her beloved job as a slaughterhouse professional. Okay. And it was in Queensland that Catherine really started to fall in love with her knives. She had her very own special set that she used for work and she would take the knives with her everywhere she went. She'd leave them under the seat of her car. Okay. And when she got home, she'd hang the knives from hooks. She'd installed above her and her husband's bed

where they'd hang while the couple slept. This ended up being a bad idea. Yeah. Well, it's definitely very Billy Bob Thornton and Angelina Jolie. But she loved her equipment. She loved, she was a real artist, but then she really, it was kind of creepy over the bed there. If she put them in the garage, I would say that's okay. It's only fine. Yeah. Well, one night David woke up to Catherine sitting on his chest with the tip of one of her razor sharp knives stuck into his neck right next to the jugular. Uh-oh. And she just sat there calmly taunting him, just saying she could kill him at any second. Yikes. Eventually she relented and went to sleep. But amazingly in the end, as it actually usually goes with relationships like

this, she left him. She broke up with him. What? Yeah. He'd been working as a trucker and while he was out on a run, she just moved out. And when Kallit figured out what happened, he went out and celebrated by getting pissed as a fart, as the Australian saying. Oh man, that's pretty wild. It is not sensical, but I like it. Yeah. Catherine spent the next eight years single after Kallit, roaming from town to town, working in whatever slaughterhouse would take her. Okay. Eventually, she ended up right back where she started at the Australian Meat Cutting and Freezing Company in Aberdeen. All right. And all of Aberdeen was like, yay. Welcome back. And on this stint, she'd meet Dave Saunders, aka Sando. Ooh. Sando was like all of them were pretty impressed by

Catherine's rooting skills, because after all, Sando was what the Australians call a real pants man. Okay. So it's like he's a good John Ham. It's one of those where he has to get the pants let out for his penis to fit. No, they just, I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to do with penis size. It's just, that's real pants man over there. Or as they would say, pants mean. I would say myself, I'm more of a shorts boy. I'm still horny as a pants man, but I'm more fun. I'll go to more amusement parks. Right. Right. So I always thought, so a pants man isn't like Bob Dole in his later years, whereas pants are just up to his nipples, so he doesn't have to wear a shirt. No, no, no, no. Pants man, that's a, that's man that knows how

to, uh, I guess pants man is kind of the equivalent to root rat. Okay. You got a root rat and you got a pants man. Match made in hell. Perfect. Now, eventually Dave moved in with Catherine and the kids and everything was going just fine until Catherine's mother suddenly died. Uh-oh. After that, all bets were once again off for Catherine the night and the violence and abuse began anew. The whole thing came, it is awful. I hate this so much. Okay. The whole thing came to a head one night while they were in the middle of a blue as that's what the Australians call domestic arguments. Okay. I think it could just be fights in general, but it works well. I like the middle of a blue. That's a really fun, fun turn. We've been, we've been blueing all night.

Blueing. I was up late, blueing with my Sheila. But now that doesn't mean anything sexual. Me and my Sheila were blueing all night. Wow. Okay. In the middle of a blue. All right. In the middle of this fight, Catherine grabbed a knife and ran out back. Sando, he let her go. Let it be with her friends. Yeah. Until he remembered that his beloved dingo puppy was out back as well. And when he walked out back, he saw Catherine was covered in blood holding his dog. Oh. And she'd cut its throat for no reason. Oh, come on. Other than anger. I don't like this woman one bit. Well, she did say, and also in her first police interview, after like they asked her about it, they were like, well, do you have any history with violent outbursts? She's like,

I'll kill my husband's dog. And they're like, yeah, but I mean, like how like, it's terrible. Did you like torture it? They were asking, she was like, it was a clean cut. Well, the answer then is a simple yes. You do have violent outbursts, but her whole job is a violent outburst. So I'm sure she was not necessarily, it's just a job. Like I do believe what you said in the beginning, that you said that she, it's true. People work in slaughterhouse. It's like we eat meat. It's good for people to be professional, make sure the animals don't suffer as much as humanly possible, do all this shit, make sure that we get, we get the meat that we crave. But with her, you were saying she weaponized it. Yeah. So after Sando saw this,

he got scared shitless that she was coming after him next. So he ran to a friend's house. And that's when Catherine grabbed her shotgun, went to her sister's house where her kids were staying and told them all that she'd shot Dave to death. Then after she had to amends like, ah, just kidding. That's a joke. No, no, no, no, I just slit his dog's throat. Have you thought about being a comedian like Kuklinski because you guys are freaking hilarious. What a good to Gracie and Alan. That would have been. Then of course, after that came the predictable, half-hearted suicide attempt, which sent Dave right back into her arms. And she does, she does this shit over and over again, where she gets in trouble. And so she figures the only way she's

going to go get out of it is to take a bunch of pills. Right. Which is also how she makes it about herself again. Yes. What she did is cause all this fucking mayhem. And then she goes and she does a like a quote unquote stab at committing suicide. And all of that is to bring it back to have sympathy for me. I see. Okay. All right. After that, Catherine decided that she didn't want to work anymore. She's done working. She's done working. So in order to get workman's comp, she spent weeks leading up to the examination. She spent weeks lifting like super heavy dressers with her back. So when they went to examine her, they'd say like, oh, okay, yeah, she's got a terrible back yet. Give her workman's comp for the rest of her fucking life. Dude, this is

definitely a 25 year old Ben Kessel move. I can see you back in the day doing it being like, see this way, I'm not lying when they come there to investigate the crime. Well, yes. So she's basically now training like Magnus for Magnuson or Bill Samuelson. Yeah. This is the two strongest men that I know. So she's just getting stronger every day. Yeah. She's getting stronger every day. Yeah. But and that's the thing about Sando. Is it like, Sando, he had the bad luck to have a child with this woman. Like she eventually. So what are we on now? How many kids? Three. She's on three kids. She had two kids with Dave Kellett and one kid with Sando so far. I think she ended up having four all together, right?

But yeah. But Sando, that's the thing. It's not like Sando didn't try to leave. He absolutely did. Right. It's just that Catherine, every time he left, she would stalk him until she found him. And then she would drive. Well, what she would always do is they said that Catherine was very good at apologizing on her knees. Oh, right. Because she would always use sex as a way to entrap these men once more. Oh, that was a euphemism. That was a euphemism. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I thought that that actually was her getting down on one knee saying, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. That was that. No, she just sucked your dick. She just sucked your dick. Yeah. It was just,

it was just because that's what they all said. Like all of them, like because they all, like even just reading or like watching the interviews, when they think about sex with Catherine, they had this fucking twinkle in their eye. They loved it, I guess. Like it was the most fantastic experience that a man could possibly experience. Right. Now, Henry, I gotta ask, when you proposed to Natalie, is that what you did? You got down on one knee and said, I'm sorry? Yeah. And then she said, yes. No, that's the wedding day. Yes. I can't wait to see it. Well, Sando, I mean, he was beaten by Catherine so much that like the dickheads that he worked with, he's like man's man, man's man. Like they take bets on what kind of injury he'd show up with

the next day. And the worst of those being when she stabbed him in the stomach with a pair of scissors. And he still went to work? Yeah. And then finally, Sando escaped in the middle of the night. Again. Again. Yeah. And then Catherine. They scared the death of these people. O.J. did the same shit. She was a, she was a formidable force. She'd show up and she consumed your whole life and she couldn't have you. No one could have you. Yeah. And that's the thing is that Catherine went out looking for him again because she knew eventually she'd find him. There were only two bars in Aberdeen. There was a top pub and bottom pub. Oh no. But this time, she ended up finding a man she liked a little better. Oh. That man was John Chillingworth. And we'll get to know him,

John Price, and Catherine's Mengele-like capacity for blood on the conclusion of Catherine Knight. Catherine Knight. Okay. What an interesting character. I don't think we've covered anyone quite like her because usually these serial killers or sociopaths like Ed Gein or something are a little quiet, a little reckless. She's just, she's well known. Yeah. She's almost a folk hero, I would assume to some degree. No, she's not a folk hero. I would say, I mean, she's a bogeyman of sorts, but a bogeyman for adults. Because all of these people that, when they, when they heard that Catherine Knight did what she did, even her own daughter, when they told her the details of what Catherine Knight had done, the only thing her daughter said was, did she? Like it was like,

what? Yes, she did. Well, it was such a casual type of thing where like people were like, oh, yeah, she finally killed him, huh? And then when they told him how she killed him, that's when everyone was like, cool, blimey. Like also one of the really only ways that we've covered a, like, I mean, to be honest, where she is committing crimes of a sexual nature that she's obviously getting sexual pleasure out of it, which we don't see a lot in female based crime. Well, she is very, she gets a lot out of what she does. Interesting. All right. Well, Catherine Knight part two coming up. We kind of know the conclusion, I guess. Yeah, we know the conclusion. But I'm excited to see how we got there. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta see, you gotta see exactly how we get there. It's,

and exactly how she pulls it off. We've got some pretty extensive, pretty extensive forensics that we're going to use to put together this entire crime scene. It's, it's going to be pretty brutal. All right, stay tuned for next week. One of the most haunting things about the, this crime as well, is that when you just look at the forensic evidence, it plays itself out, like watching the play by play of the, the police footage going through the hall and shit. It's like, you can really visualize it, which we'll see how much horror was involved. All right. Awesome. Okay, cool. So let's see what we got to do here. We're going to be at Bumber Shoot next weekend. Bumber Shoot. So come on out to that. I know some people are like,

that ticket prices, we don't make the ticket prices on that festival. Yeah, it's a festival. But there's some cool bands there. I mean, it might be worth it. I don't really know music. I know the Fleet Foxes are there and I want to see them. I know Blondie. Oh, yes. Of course, I know Blondie. I know Blondie and I have heard of Young Thug. Yes, I have. No, I know who Young Thug is, of course. Otherwise, I'm kind of at a loss. All right. Otherwise, we'll be there. So that should be a lot of fun. We have to thank everyone for Patreon. We had a very fun interview this week. Who did we talk to this week, Henry? Eric Brock. Eric Brock. That wrote the book Double Lives. It's a very interesting book that you should check it out. Honestly, it's about

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