Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 330: Katherine Knight Part II - Bangaroo

Episode Date: August 31, 2018

On the conclusion to our series on Australia's most vicious murderer, we cover the relationship between Katherine Knight and her ultimate victim, John Price, and of course, we cover the murder itself and what happened afterwards that made Katherine Knight a household name in Australia.

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Sheila Debra. You know what, when I will say what's nice about dating Catherine Knight, I know there's not a lot. Right. Well, there's some fun stuff. Good booze parties, maybe. Yes. But there's a sweet spot in that relationship where you're a little guy, right? Because you're like my size and you're with this tall, voluptuous, insane woman. All right. And she's dancing around her like, she'd make her own jumpsuits and she'd look like shit.

And you'd just be like, I like the way it looks on you. I like what you do. And all of a sudden, what's nice is that every once in a while, if somebody annoys you, you're like, okay, take her out. And she's like, you're all getting picked to a guy. She'll stretch a guy. And she's like, I don't know what you said, babe. Go take her out for me. And then you get to watch her pound on another woman at the top bar. Oh, well, that's a fantasy that you've thought about way too much. This is the last podcast on the left of everyone. I have been kissing with Marcus Parks and in studio, a rare occasion,

Henry Zabrowski, just hurt in a very thick burlap, but open on the side, grabbing another woman, just slamming her tits against her tits just to hurt her. You know what I mean? And then we'll be like whipping around back and forth like a mop and you're just sitting there just watching drinking you fullstice, enjoying yourself. I don't think they actually drink fosters. They don't like fosters. That's not Australian for beer. Interesting thing about Catherine, not that we're going to get into later, very rarely picked fights with women.

No kidding. Only loved to pretty much exclusively fight men, except for that time that she knocked out her own mother with one punch. That one time. That one time. That one time. It's not like it's not a fantasy that a lot of people have. Just one crack.

Just so the audience can have a visual, Henry did tell that entire story went into great detail about that sexual experience with Catherine Knight that he fantasized about without a shirt on. Nope. Which made it all the more jiggly and it was enthusiastic. It's not even that hot in here. No, it's kind of nice. How do you think I would be with Kev?

I don't want to think I don't want to. Honestly, my head just gets to her like the middle of her tits, like right in the middle of her breasts. It's just my face right there with the breasts right there and I'm supporting her and I'm saying wear heels, honey. Right. Well, before the show began, I mentioned how Catherine Knight looks a lot like my mother. A lot. So that's why I'm also not really thrilled with this disgusting story that you're telling. I could be your daddy.

All right. Let's do it. Catherine Knight part two. So when we last left Catherine Knight, she had jumped ship from Sando and was moving on to a man named John Chillingworth that she had met at a bar called the Willow Inn. He does sound like a character from the Red Nose, the Rudy, the Red Dolph, Rudy, the Red Nose Reindeer. Did you just forget Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer? Dude, I've read three books this week. I can't remember anything.

Kind of sounds like a character from the Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer claymation special. Kind of. John Chillingworth. Well, not surprisingly, Chillingworth was yet another Slaughterhouse employee fond of sculling a mug of grog down the Chockers with the mates, but not necessarily the type of bloke to chuck a wobbly at his Sheila, as the Australians say. The amount of joy that you're getting slowly becoming an Australian outback dweller is really scary.

Alright, but remember, I do have to warm up, honestly, before doing the episode, so let me try it on that sentence. Alright. John Chillingworth was yet another Slaughterhouse employee fond of sculling a mug of grog down the Chockers with the mates, but not necessarily the type of bloke to chuck a wobbly at his Sheila. That's actually pretty good. I'm getting there a little bit.

Yeah. That's not a knife. Don't you start. You fucking start this shit. That's not a knife. That's not a knife. Alright. Now, the Chillingworths were just as much of a local presence as the Knights, having

made Aberdeen their home for 60 years, so the thought of one of their own with Catherine was less than thrilling. Well, because they were sort of like, and Chillingworth was a little bit of like the good son of that family, right, where they were a bunch of rowdy and sane people, but John Chillingworth was kind of like a good bloke who'll smack a wobbly. I'm not sure. What that means, but. Oh, don't know.

It means go berserk. Oh, okay. She's a little puncher woman, but he loves booze, or a guy. He won't punch a woman, but the man does love to get fucked up. Okay. Gotta love that about him. Yeah. So, you two didn't study your vocabulary before this episode?

No. I know some of that. I know Fair Bulkham means everything's good, but it's fair dinkum. All I know is you can't knock a wobbly over. That's the only thing that I know. That's all right. But their combination of the families, like trying to put the two of them together, seems like a really frightening thing for all of Aberdeen.

Yeah. Okay, I see. But John, even though he knew the Knight reputation, had just returned after 15 years away from home, so all he knew is that he'd met a brassy, red-headed spunk up for a Bangaroo whenever he wanted. Okay. No. And, of course, a Bangaroo is just a really horny kangaroo.

Yeah. And if you see one, you want to avoid it. Look at that. Look at that Bangaroo over there. Can barely even. You'll be fitted, Joey, and it's passed. It's always slowing it up with a joiner. That's not its tail.

That's not a rejoiner. Now, John probably would have figured out how crazy Catherine Knight was all on his own and left her as she didn't necessarily snare every man who got in her pants. But extremely unfortunately for John, he got Catherine pregnant in a matter of weeks. Are there no rubbers in Australia? There's rubbers. Well, why don't they apply a rubber to the Dickey? That's a good question.

Chillingworth, or Chillingworth, not Chillingworth, Chillingworth said that he had been in a relationship for 15 years. Oh, he never, and he gooshed inside all the time, and he never made a step. Yeah. Yeah. He gooshed inside constantly, but I guess it was something up with the woman that he was with. But within like a few weeks with Catherine, it was just, pfft, yeah.

All right. She's got them zigzag tubes. Oh, yeah. She's like the... I'm not a doctor, but... No, absolutely not. Like the ghost trap on Ghostbusters. That's what she did, but with Chillingworth is, yeah, you know what?

Now, the only small break that Chillingworth got was that Catherine refused to let him move in, because if he did, her welfare checks would stop. She couldn't have that. Plus, she liked her house just the way it was. See, Catherine had inherited her mother's home on McQueen Street and had turned it into a ghoulish museum of death. She surrounded herself with stuffed peacocks, stuffed wombats, and a whole assortment of skins and skulls, saying the dead cheered her up.

It's really true. She was really into taxidermy, and she loved, obviously, she loved skins that we're going to find out later on in a Gold Star moment, how far that love will go. But she surrounded herself with these kind of like shrines that she would build to, number one, her uncle Oscar. Yeah. That was a... Not as daredevil, was he?

He's a cowboy. He's like a rodeo cowboy. All right. Daredevil on its own, right? But he committed brain suicide at the age of 34, and she always built him up as to being like the perfect person, because, and what we're going to find out, as Marcus definitely describes here, is that when you're the type of person that Catherine Knight was, the dead are great, because they can fit to whatever image you want to build around them.

Right. And maybe help with your narrative also. Now, Marcus, how much do you love the house? That's what I want to know, because as you described it, there's a little twinkle in your eye. Well, yeah. I mean, it sounds familiar to a lot of our listeners. I know a lot of people out there, they're listening right now, also enjoy skulls and

bones and skin and stuff like that. I have a pretty big skull collection, and thank you to all of our listeners who have contributed to that skull collection. Absolutely. But Catherine, her motivation was different here. Okay. And psychiatrist Eric Frohm, he explained this to Peter Laylor in Bloodstain. Frohm said that Catherine's particular obsession, along with her behavior, was consistent with

necrophilius, which is a form of necrophilia. It is particular among narcissistic personalities, and that the love of the dead is a form of control. See, the necrophilius does not want to have sex with the dead. They get off on possessing the dead, controlling it completely. And Peter Laylor, he goes further with this in comparing Catherine Knight to English serial killer Fred West. You don't want your whole life to have you end up with being compared to Fred West.

No, definitely. That is never a good thing. So were all the skulls frowning? So she was sexually aroused? No, it's not sexual. No, it's not sexual. No, it's not sexual. It's about her family, right?

Because it's especially with her mother. So when her mom died, it was a huge moment for Catherine Knight. Because Catherine Knight, despite everything that happened between them, all the beatings and all the violence, she looked up to her mom, especially after the fact after she died. Because after she died, she could build a whole, like, mythology around how wonderful their relationship was, and the way she did that was build the gigantic shrine made out of fucking bones from the working in the awful room or working in various parts of the at the twang.

I wasn't made out of bones. The parts of that house, have you seen pictures of the house? There are, it's both skeleton pieces and gigantic farm equipment. She loved big farm weapons, like tailing hose and the big sides and shit like that in her home. And she would also then create this kind of floral arrangement where she put pictures of her dead mother in it, and all night she'd sit and cry thinking about how wonderful her mother was, which was completely fake.

I'm pretty sure Levon Helm had a similar end to his life, just surrounded by farming equipment, crying, thinking about his mother. Interesting. Okay, bizarre stuff here. Yeah, it's all about, like, turning people into inanimate objects. I mean, that's what Fred West did. I mean, remember Fred West? He killed 12 people, including his daughter, because he saw people as objects, and once

you kill someone, you possess them. And that's what Necrophilius is all about. But years before Catherine would turn John Price into a makeshift curtain, it is a soft fabric. It is sure. Or as the Australian police love to refer to it again and again, a pelt. Yes. They keep referring to the whole thing as a pelt.

Have you ever used a lamb skin condom? No. No. A lamb skin condom. Why did you use that? Because I had a girlfriend that was allergic to latex, and so when you feel it, it's like, you can come in it, and it's got this sort of like, it's cold to the touch, it feels like a wet glove.

I can never guess what, man. What? You can also fry it up and eat it if you want to. That's good. I just feel like Catherine Knight would look at my loose-skinned, huge body, like Robocop looks in inanimate. It's right, it's right, it's right. Just breaking my meats down in, like, sections of, good lord, I could furnish an entire home.

Well, years before she killed John Price, she continued on the road toward murder by mentally and physically abusing John Chillingworth, because that's the thing about Catherine Knight. Catherine Knight is an abuser, and she's an extreme abuser, and the thing is about extreme abusers is more often than not, that cycle of abuse, it ends in murder. It can, especially when you watch them destroy everything around you as if they want to hurt you, like people that, like, when you get on an argument, and people who, like, will like, destroy a piece of furniture or punch holes in walls, that's them showing you what

they would like to do to you. Yeah, right, yeah, there's a great episode of I Am a Killer on Netflix, I highly recommend it about that. But John Chillingworth was the first man she'd been with, seriously, that was bigger than her. That, it really, I didn't know Chillingworth was actually bigger than her. Which is why the abuse was less with him, because that's what he said all the time, is that he knew, in interviews afterwards, he was like, she couldn't beat me up physically,

the way she could do her other husbands, but she could use mental tricks. Yeah, no, mentally, like that was a real big thing with John Chillingworth, because almost as soon as she got pregnant, she started putting it in his head, like, well, maybe the baby's not yours. So it probably is, but maybe it's not. So she went from a Wolverine to Professor X, Wolverine, she was like physical, and then now she's mental. But they're good guys.

Well, it depends on who, what side you're on. I'm just going to say, when it comes to X-Men, there's good people on both sides. I do like Juggernaut quite a bit. Juggernaut, if convinced, I know that's the right thing. Now, Catherine and her kids claim that John was just as abusive as every man that came before. And admittedly, John freely admits to hitting Catherine one time while they were driving after she destroyed his glasses and punched him in the mouth.

But again, just like the last two and the one after John, there are no hospital records or personal testimonies to go along with Catherine's claims. However, there is oodles of testimony going the other way. It's kind of shocking, and it does get to a point where Catherine and her kids had this sort of disinformation movement that they would do as they go, and they would continue it at every moment, which you're going to see what she will do to John Price as well. Or she'll say to people, Stranger, she meets me like, well, he hits me every day, and that's what he does.

Oh, now, look at my face. That's why he's doing to me. He's nobbing me up, giving me the gun for. He's giving me the gun for. The gun for? And they're like, wow. They do it again and again. We better get the constable out of here.

Somebody's been giving the gun. Oh, it's camera. Let me get my wig. But they, not to disparage Australian police, because we will be going there at some point in the near future. And I do not want to be on the bad side of the Australian police. No. We love your work.

Yes. But she would, she would build this as she goes, and she would have her daughters all do the same thing and pair it, this, this line of thought that Catherine's the victim and it's everybody else's fault. And the amazing thing is that Catherine's children defended her despite the fact that she brutally beat them their entire lives. I mean, one story that Layla told was when Catherine, she was just sitting there having a conversation with a bunch of friends.

Don't tell you all about this scene about a gig, right? I'm pulling and pulling and pulling, see if I can make a click longer. All right, kind of whispering there. Well, Catherine's having this conversation with her friends, and then her daughter Natasha, she came in the room, sort of mouthing off like kids want to do. Hey, mommy has a, my bangerie run away and my, and my gliffle, my gliffle's near on it. Well, children have problems all over the world. It's true.

It's true. And so Catherine, she responded by just fall on, punching her daughter in the mouth. Her daughter's probably like 12 or so, drew blood, split the lip, and then Catherine just returned to the conversation like she just got done swatting a fly. And still, even after that, her kids always said, like the one, one of her daughters said, I think it was her daughter, Melissa, said, her mom had a heart of gold. You just didn't cross her. Yep.

They are, they are, the reason why they were strong was because they would toe the, they would keep the, the family word going. They all held strong on what the story was always. Nobody turned their back on anybody they were. They worked as a single cohesive unit. So like Annie Lennox, they're walking on, walking on, walking on broken glass. That makes no sense. Well, I'm walking on eggshells.

No, no, it's the opposite. It seems like they have to toe around. No, it's like the GOP. It's like, it's, it's, everybody defends everyone no matter what horrible crimes they've done. Like Tiny Tim said, tiptoe through the tulips. And the tulips is their living room. I think you should go to a brain doctor. I'll check it out.

I'll check one out. But just like it was with the last two partners, Catherine was the one who left John. After three years of mental anguish, she met a new guy in Aberdeen, quote unquote, at the club. Say it right. At the club. Yep. A club, which I would imagine was a lot like the one that we stumbled upon in Scotland.

Oh, you mean the one in the strip mall where all of the fluorescent lights were on until two in the morning. And it was just 60s, 60 year olds grinding on each other to Beyonce. Yeah. And the loudest music I have ever heard in my life. And because I think it was so loud because there was like eight people there. Yeah. So there wasn't enough people to absorb the sound.

So the guy at the club that Catherine had met was John Price. Uh-oh. Pricey, as he was known to everyone in Aberdeen, was all accounts a pretty good dude. He always tried to do people a good turn, gave you a lot of shit. But when he gave you shit, it just meant that he liked you. Yeah. It's how many times I've been called in recent, uh, the last week or so since the episode has come out, which I appreciate being called a mad cunt.

Oh, that's a good thing. Yeah. Because in Australia, cunt is not in any way taboo. It's an extremely common word. It's just here in America to get all squeamish about it. Interesting. Yeah. And I'm not going to say it more.

No. But it's fun to say in the context of this episode where I could say, this is my friend Ben. He's a real cunt. Well, I think you got to say it in Australian accent. Otherwise, it's not acceptable. But yeah. Well, the thing is about John is that, of course, like all the rest of the guys, but this is

something they said specifically about John. He could drink for Australia. So we can drink quite a bit. I think that's what it meant. But I don't know if, like, drink for Australia means that he could do it, like, in service of Australia, or if he could do it as, like, he kept up with everybody else in Australia. That's like an infiltrate unit in the Australian army, just the ones who get sloshed for the country.

What a good idea to send an Australian team in early to go against, like, against the Taliban. Oh, sure. They go down there and they don't understand drinking very much, but you get them in there and they're drinking out of big boots, because I think they have a lot of bootstines in Australia. I don't know. I'd like to think so. You're just thinking about the Simpsons episode where they booted Bart.

I don't know. I'm just saying, I know they have bigger glasses. Oh, whatever it is, they have bigger glasses and you liquor them up ahead of time and then you get them all sloshed and shit and then you show up and it's you with the fat boys. You remember the rappers? Of course. And all the mischief is too much for them to handle. We're behind enemy lines.

We're fucking with the head of the general. Andres is a lady seducing him back and forth. It's a great movie. Yeah, yeah. Move over all over North. There's a new horrible army man in town. But John Price was a good old boy. He was, I mean, I can't imagine the level of hangovers.

I feel like the hangovers in the Catherine Knight story could probably only rival the Henry Lee Lucas hangovers. I would imagine. But the thing is about Kath is that she didn't even start drinking until she met John Price. Really? Yeah, before that she'd been sober for most of her life. I mean, I don't know why that makes it slightly worse. It's not good to hit anyone if you're sober or drunk, but I thought that she was pretty intoxicated

this whole time. People that are sober by choice had not by the court scared the shit out of me. Because people that are made sober by a court or by your family. A doctor, yeah. Yeah, I understand that. I've been there. I've been at the edge of that. Was that the problem?

Yeah, absolutely. And you need help. Maybe your body deals with alcohol differently. But someone who's sober by choice. Yeah, I'm waiting until I go to the doctor and the doctor says, you just can't have any more. You're going to die. And then I'm going to have one shot.

I'm going to put it in the freezer and then one night. That's a great, that's a great plan. Well, after Pricey and Kath got together, Kath kind of lightened up. She became like a rum and coke gal. She was having a good, a good enough time. But she's done this every time. Yeah. What she'll do, she gets into a new relationship and it's super fun.

And you know what? And she's got her Australian version of lingerie on, which is, I just assumed the same thing but upside down where the panty line, you're just, your head goes through it and it's two straps that go around your hips so it's completely open. And that she's out there. She's sucking dick and she's drinking rum and she's out there dancing like, but no one's watching. My guess is watching everybody's watching and she's full of life.

And then all of a sudden you wake up and she's like polishing knives or she's doing the thing like she did with John Chilling's worth, which is that fun little game, which she'll also do to John Price, which is stare at you while you sleep and understand and you'll wake up and she'll be at the foot of your bed. And this is completely true. And she's like, this is just so you know that I can wait till you sleep and I can do anything I like. That's great.

And then it's, it's very frightening. Yeah. Yeah. She's like the nun from the insidious series. That is horrifying. Well, the alcohol, well it first seemed like it made her like kind of more of a good time gal. After a while, the mellowing effect kind of tapered off and alcohol seemed to bring out

that last little bit of nastiness that Catherine Knight needed to kick her abuse into the ultra violence realm. Uh-oh. But even so, the two kind of seemed to be in love. I mean, Pricey, he actually had like a pet name for her, called her the speckled fucking hen. Say it correctly. Speckled fucking hen.

Well, it is a, it is a pet perhaps. Yeah, it is a hen. And theoretically you could have one as a pet, but I wouldn't say it's a romantic name. No, no, not at all. But it was to her because she had never really, that was the thing is that they kind of had like cute little names for each other and it was highly sexual. But at the time it was also, John Price was kind of just in it for a good time because he was in love with his first wife.

Yeah. He never got over his first wife because, and they were still friends. Okay. And also the first wife said like she, afterwards she said, you know, you show me a single time when John Price ever hit her because he's the most kindest, most gentle man that I've ever met in my life. Yeah. And he's the kind, I'm, I'm like that, which is like, I get to a certain level.

Once I'm in blackout, Natalie has told me I'm very much been like, I love, I love, I love. And then I go to sleep and then I just do that, like sleep with a little smile on my face. And then you wake up like, oh, right. You just become like a broken Teddy Ruxpin though. That makes sense. Why didn't anyone ask or tell Mr. Price, this woman is trouble.

I mean, everybody did. Everybody did. He knew full, well, he knew long before they even got together. He knew who Catherine Knight was. It was a small town. Everyone knew her. But still, for some reason, there was just something about her that bewitched him. Well, he has those fucking sparkly little eyes.

She's got that mischievous snaggletooth smile. Yeah. And it's just being tall, red-headed, swishing around with your red knees. You're going there again. You're doing that again. She's flush from alcohol, but there's also its passion. Well, sociopaths can be very charming at times. Very much so.

Until they flip. Well, the thing that really got in the way in this relationship, in Catherine's mind at least, was Pricey's kids. And those kids had a bad feeling about Catherine from the moment they met her. They said the first thing that weirded them out was Catherine's absolute certainty that she had been abducted by aliens, which is a story that I would pay an unreasonable amount of money to hear Catherine tell herself. Absolutely.

So I'm all bogged out. I'm sitting out there and sucking on my smithy's, waiting, waiting, staring at Pricey's. See any of you wake up? Next thing I knew, there's a beam of light coming up to you to seal in there. All of a sudden, I'm on the table, little gray guys rooting around with my ganch, right? I'm like, oh, you want that made? You better take them from me, mate. And here's this like, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling,

making some kind of click and noise. So what I'll do is I'll help him to it, grab his side of his head, smash him in my ganch, hide him, hold my clit until he was unwiney, exhausted, and, you know, bomb-dink him, I'm going out of it. I see. Okay. All right. Oh, Kath, she also believed in ghosts and thought that the ghosts of her beloved uncle

who had shot himself visited her on a regular basis. Okay. And she might have got this notion from her mother, who always maintained until the day she died that the specter of a young naked boy used to haunt her front yard. I just got to the kid being like, let me in, please, ma'am. I could use a shirt or some form of pant as well, because I've heard your husband's a real pants man. Anything, ma'am.

Wow. They have an illustrious boy. No, an illuminated boy. An illuminated boy. Yeah. Interesting. It's just a crime, just a spot. Yeah.

Well, I like the ghost story. I like the alien stuff. Yeah. This is date one, right? So that's kind of interesting. This isn't date one. This is when Pricey's children finally got to meet her, like finally got to know her. And she just got, they had a bad feeling about her.

But those two stories make your future stepmother kind of fun. I'll also say this, right? We're intense people. I understand being an intense person, and I have been labeled as such by some. But I understand that kind of what you want to do. Sometimes, like, you know what they say is like, you fool a frog by putting it in water. If you want to boil a frog or cook a frog, you have to turn up the temperature slowly and doesn't realize that the water's getting hot.

That's an urban myth, by the way. Really? But for me, I also really like throwing you in the deep end of the pool, my personality, like right up top. Because if you can't handle, like, my first three stories, you're not going to like me to begin with. Like, if you don't like that, I have back hair. This is you.

If you can't handle me at my whatever. The alien abduction story is that you don't deserve me when I'll rub your feet till you go to sleep. Aw. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know. Slick them heels. Okay.

Well, things only got worse between Kath and the kids after Catherine essentially forced Pricie to get engaged by stealing some of his money and buying herself a diamond ring. Do it for yourself, girls. If he's not going to do it, if he's not going to do it, you fucking go and you do it for yourself. And in response to this, Pricie reportedly said, quote, I keep shy, but we're not getting married. Really?

We're not getting married. Seems like you're getting married, bro. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's all I say. Thanks. Okay. Well, things had already started to go downhill by that point, but they still had a long way to go.

Uh-oh. Because the violence and the accusations that it was actually Pricie who was beating her got kicked up into the next gear and still Pricie wouldn't marry her. So Keff, to get back at Pricie for not bending to her will concerning marriage, figured she'd attack him in a particular point of pride, his job. Uh-oh. See, Pricie was a minor and had worked his way up to a six-figure annual salary over 17 years.

Yes. Wow. He did a very lucrative job, much like being a minor in Los Angeles. You can make quite a bit of money just by showing up at various parties in the Hollywood Hills. Uh-huh. You know, you have to definitely dress as part of the Lollipop Guild. Right, of course.

Yeah, meeting with the moral holders of our Time to Disney channel, the Disney network, perhaps. Oh, yes, yes. Disney is very moral indeed. Oh, absolutely. But I mean, no, I mean a minor. No. Oh, yay.

No, he made quite a bit of money. They don't live very long, though. No, they don't. But he loved his job. And even though he was notorious for getting full as a goog, as the Australians say. I did this to myself last night. All right. The thing was that he was always the first to show up in the last to leave.

Pricie was a hard fucking worker. Okay. But even though he was a loyal employee, he wasn't above taking a thing or two from work if no one was going to miss it. Uh-oh. Pricie had taken home a couple of expired first aid boxes that he actually had fished out of the garbage. He dove into a landfill and brought out these expired first aid boxes.

So who gives a shit, right? That's not stealing. That's cleaning. Yeah. He wanted to do that. But you know what a part of it is? Is that he was thrifty and it's fun. He threw it out anyway.

It's like when you work as a garbage man and you furnish your whole home from things people throw out. Yeah. It's kind of tricky and the forks don't have all the spikes and spears on them or whatever, but it works. Yeah, man. No, I furnished all of my apartments up until I could couple it. I think just last week I threw away my last piece of, what is it?

Street garbage furniture. That's great. I have one of my favorite chairs. It's King's chair. I actually picked it up off the street with a couple of listeners way back in the day and it's my favorite chair. It could use a judge. Well, it was not, it was, it said free on it.

It was not trash. It was for free. So Catherine, she took advantage of Pricy's thrifty nature and filmed footage of the boxes in Pricy's home with her video camera. Well, she had come to love. She loves her video camera. I love it. She, there's video tape.

I've been trying really hard to find examples of her home movies. That would be interesting. I couldn't find any footage of it. I just saw stills, but she recorded everything and so this fucking, this trick, man. This is weird. Because she filmed the footage, she took the video tape to Pricy's bosses, which lost Pricy not only his job of 17 years, but his pension as well. Oh my God.

I'm going to say this, who, who here who listens to the show has had this happen to them before? Yeah. This is fucked. This is deep. This is like a thing that you can see where she is creeping in and I think it's a part of why things fall apart for me when she says that she was being abused by her husbands. I believe in believing in the victim, right? And I really want to.

And she came forward and all her daughters all said that Pricy beat her and that Chilling's worth beat her and that her and Kettle beat her, all of this shit. But I think it's her actions. I mean, and the main action is the, um, turning him into a curtain to catch him and believing what was blood and you do and all the shit that he's going to do to her, but I think it shows this is, this is the real her that she's not a victim. She is a really aggressive, uh, opponent actually. Yeah.

Hmm. All right. All of the evidence says that her, again, all of her claims are lies. I mean, maybe not all of her claims, but the evidence says that the vast, vast majority of her claims cannot be believed. Well, I don't think they should have fired him. I'm just going to say that. They shouldn't.

I mean, they said that they had no choice. It was against company policy. They were pretty much just following the guidelines a little too stringently. So I would say that mine also holds a little bit of responsibility. I think so too. Well, after that, Pricey rightly left Catherine, but there was just something about her that he could not resist. I think, let me, let me throw out a loop and go go for it.

I think it's her crazy awesome snapper. That's just your, your assessment. I don't, I get it. I'm not an expert. Your professional assessment. Yeah. I think Pricey's friends told him that if he went back, something terrible was going to happen.

Yep. But he went back anyway and actually sacrificed a lot of friendships for his relationship to Catherine. I just don't get it. But who has not done this before? Yeah. Who's not been in a weird one-sided relationship? The right girlfriend, film them, get them fired and then go back to them.

It's hard. I don't know what she did to crawl into people's heads. I think a part of it is that she, she had such, I want to say belief in herself almost. She knew what she was capable of and there was something about her confidence that sort of bleeds into the minds of her, her partners that sort of believe, oh, it's actually, it is sort of like a privilege to be with Catherine because no one else gets her because I'm the only one who sees the, the real side of her, which is also why people stay in abusive relationships all the time.

No, I understand that aspect of it, but it's like she works at the meat factory. I mean, I just don't fully see the charm that everyone's seeing here. I just, she was unemployed at this time. She was unemployed. Yeah. That's fair. Ah. She is a unique bird.

She makes her own garish clothes. She's filled with, I wasn't joking earlier, but she would make her own jumpsuits, weird wear weird things like, you know, outfits that just just show the bottom tough to her butt cheeks. Yeah. Right. Like, which I imagine were a different type. I'm sure.

And it's, it's, all of a sudden, Pricie's making more and more of these weird concessions. He's not hanging out with his friends. He has to lie to them because now it's like he's starting to show signs of abuse. He has to like, he has to joke around because they'd all joke around being like, oh, what's going to happen? Well, Pricie, uh, last night and they would take bets on how, uh, what, when, what way she would beat him. So when Pricie went back, Catherine said that if he took her back this time, it was to the

death. And really, like, I really wonder here if Catherine was just using a figure of speech or if she was choosing her words very carefully seems like it might have been chosen on purpose. Given the, uh, overall conclusion. I think it was her making her line in the sand. I think it was her kind of weird serial killer moment where she was like, she has been talking about killing various husbands for so long and that she's already openly said to Pricie, I'll fucking kill you and your kids.

And she said it again and again. I think this was her buying the ticket to take the ride. Now, do we know what kind of curtain she has now at this point or did she complain about the curtain? I don't want this lice because it's not wet. Right. Because I do kind of want to know. Maybe it was curtain lists.

Yeah. I don't know. They were curtains. They were curtains. But no, no word on what exactly they were. Oh, right. See, Catherine figured that she was owed Pricie's house because she'd quote, put up with him and it claimed the place a few times.

But Pricie, I mean, this is another just part of her personality is the entitlement. But Pricie was saving his house for his kids. All of the night family was like this. Yeah. Pricie was like this too with the other kids when it was some story. I believe it was Saunders was dropping. He was going to go pick up the kid from the her sister's house and they're all like, well, just so you know, it's all the things of being like, he ate this food.

We want to be paid for the food we made lunch for him. And these are his things that he thinks this belongs to him. It's not it belongs to us. And so she slowly acquires other people. Shit. Yeah. So with his house. He's like, well, I asked now and I put curtains up in it and it's going to come below to me.

And he's like, no, I bought this house with my first wife. It means a lot to me personally, which is also a very interesting thing. I think about the house thing comes up in bloodstain quite a bit about everybody's attachment to their homes. And I wonder if it is an Australian thing or if it is because you really do have to like make your own way out where they live. Absolutely. Yeah.

People love their homes. Home is where the heart is. That's where they say. Yeah. Like just for example, like you've pretty much only lived in like metropolitan. Yeah. I'm a city boy. You can say it.

Yeah. Yeah. You're a city boy. I'm a small pants wearer and big hat slaying. I have a cane. I'm a city boy. Yeah. Yeah.

So like city life, it's much more transient. You move from apartment to apartment and it's not that big of a deal. But when you're in a small town like that, and I think this is just universal of the world over. When you're in a small town like your house means a lot more and especially if you're in an isolated town. You spend so much more time at home so you really form an attachment to the place. That's why they're haunted.

Huh. Huh. Yep. Never. Rarely do people haunt an apartment. They're happy to get out of there. Well, the fact that Pricey was saving the house for his kids, this I would say wrinkled Catherine.

Okay. Yeah, I wrinkled it. All right. We have a wrinkling. But it all really came to a head with the kids when the bouncy castle came to town. Hmm. See Pricey, who was, as I said, a pretty good bloke, had paid some dude a case of beer to set up a bouncy castle for the neighborhood kids.

What a great time. You get to. Just a case of beer? Just a case of beer. I guess it was the guy's bouncy castle and it was just like, here's the setup fee. That's great. Okay. Yeah, you.

It's like, how much do you think the end more long skulls for all right or so you're back 24 of these meckles? You're right. Perfect. A bouncy castle. But Catherine could not let a good time stand. So she got smashed and accused Pricey's two daughters of molesting Catherine's kids, which by this time was a well-worn tactic of Catherine's.

Okay. She was a very afraid of sexual assault and would bring it up again and again. And I think a partially, I don't know what to what extent she was sexually abused as a kid, but I think that she, there was something. There was something. I will say there was something. I don't know what happened, but he, she was always talking about how everybody wanted to attack her.

And that she also believed that her kids were, that there was many times in the story and that eight year gap that we covered in the last episode, she would do this like a lot where she would say, this person tried to molest my kids. So I beat the shit out of him and like doing like setting people up where people were not fucking her kids. Giving her an excuse for violence, perhaps. Of course, but this time she'd gone too far with her claims. So when a pricey's daughters, she'd grabbed a plate, said it is a nice plate, asked who's

it was, no one full well who's it was. And when Kat said it was hers, the daughter told her to fuck off or she'd break it over a fucking head. Cool. That's called an Australian punchline. Yes, there it is. She then kicked Kat off the, but literally kicks Catherine off the porch and told her to leave or they call the cops.

And with this, the kids joined the ranks of abusers along with pricey. And the most interesting thing here is that Kat, she did not fight back in the situation. You would think this would be a situation where Kat would claw this girl's eyes out, but she didn't. And I'm not quite sure why. Well, I don't know. I would like if all of this took place in the bouncy castle, I think that that would be exciting.

Yeah, I would tell Tracy. They won't bounce it up and down. Well, I didn't want to make it sexual. You did it. No. You did it to me. You know what I think it is about Kat? I think that she understands that she does not have a medium setting.

I think that at this point, it's become so big, her resentment towards the kids that she knows that as soon as she says go in her own head, she'll fucking kill her. And I think that all of this has now her charge in her batteries and building and building and building, knowing and being like, I'll get my revenge, all of you will pay. And she knows that every step of the way, she's just preparing. Interesting. Like when you used to have to put the dust buster into the dust buster home on the wall, and it would really suck up some trash if you just went for there.

Seriously, we have to take you to a neurologist, like we have to like go. The dust buster. I just want to see a bunch of electrodes put on your skull, and I want you to have to draw lines and things like what belongs together. This was the time where the dust buster was huge before the Roomba. I have a dust buster and a Roomba. Okay. Either way, this incident kicked Kat into the stratosphere, and pretty soon, the beatings

just started getting worse. The Pricey's friends and coworkers said they saw at least one stab wound on Pricey's chest in the months leading up to the murder, as well as numerous bruises. Like I said, he had to tell his friends that he had rolled his car, because he had fallen so bad. I slipped and fell on another knife. I mean, how was this happening? She said, if it was a spoon, it's the same thing would happen without a cut.

I was gesturing with my knife, which is what she would do all the time, and then she said he got too close, and then as he came in, so he tripped and fell on her knife. It is literally a bit. Totally stupid for a defense. Oh yeah, but you know what? It fucking worked. Yeah, because it's only so far Pricey will admit how much of a victim he is. I understand there's a stigma to it.

Huge stigma to it. Yeah, I mean, it happens all over the world. Now, Kat, she even made a little voodoo doll of Pricey, made a little tiny suit out of his old clothes, and then to top off the ritual, she saved some of his semen, God knows how, and smeared it on the little doll to give it extra power. This is, you know, I like that she's going through a papachango phase. This is really kind of fun for her, I guess. I will tell you exactly.

I'll tell you exactly how she got it. She just went over and like, I go in this shit cup, go in the cup, go in the cap, all right. Oh, I like the smell of it. Smells like beer. Oh my goodness. That's not a Foster's commercial I remember. Then about a month before the murder, it seems like Catherine had crossed over into a new

level, because now she was just nonchalantly telling her brother that she was going to kill Pricey and his two kids. She actually started to get pretty loose with it. She once said in front of a whole group of people during a hard drinking session that she was going to kill Pricey and get away with it by pretending she was crazy. Keith, you do understand that you don't, and I don't want to sit you off. No, don't do that. But you don't have to pretend to be Pricey, you know?

I reckon it's pretty well-established in this whole tale that you're pretty crazy. Yeah, you're all right, you're all right. She does have a history of madness, I suppose. Well, ironically, if she hadn't done this, then she actually would have had a fighting chance at pulling off the plan, but those people ended up testifying against her in the trial. Yeah, I would hope, I'm happy they were sober enough to remember what she said. Yeah, because while Catherine is cunning, it's also important to remember that she's

still very, very stupid. Ah, cunning but stupid. But what have we learned about the cunning versus the stupid? Is that the cunning knows, the cunning knows, you just get their money, right? You can do certain things, you're going for the money. The stupid are the ones that do shit like this. I need to see, they need to create two new street fighter characters, cunning and stupid. And I just want to see what it looks like when they fight.

So a couple days before the murder, Pricey and Catherine had a particularly rough blue, and Catherine stabbed him in the chest. And this one was not an accident, this was a full-on stab. It's safe to say the first one wasn't an accident either, though, right? It was not, but this one she couldn't play off. And this was truly the last straw for Pricey, so Pricey tried to kick her out. Catherine said she'd go, but only if Pricey gave her $10,000. $10,000?

Either that or the house. Is she Dr. Evil? How does he have $10,000? He actually had $13,000 in the bank. Yep, but it's strange how this kind of brash, like, you're sitting in my house. I'm asking you to leave my house, she says, well, you give me $10,000 or I want to own this house. It's like a thing where your mind is, you're something with the brashness of it, and the

matter of factness and the confidence of being like, well, you give me what's yours or I'll fucking kill you. I mean, it really is incredible. You have to be such a bad human being to leverage how bad you are as a person to get $10,000 against you, to get $10,000 for someone to have you leave. Well, Pricy, he'd be damned if he was going to give the woman who made his life a live-in-hell for the last five years a single cent, and also, he was fucking terrified of her because she just stabbed him, so he went to the Justice of the Peace for a court order.

But since the wheels of justice work slow, Pricy was told the court-ordered removal would take three weeks to process, so Pricy went home to wait it out even though all of his friends told him, do not go home, do not be alone at all. Well, because especially when she's such a scary woman, she left, right, and she goes back to her house plotting, but they said the next two days, it's just her screaming alone in her own house, and then just going silent, so she's sitting in this house ruminating, and she's going to prepare herself, and she's going to prepare her life for what she's about to do to him.

Okay, maybe she's like slathering herself in Vegemite, staring in the mirror. Oh, sickeny. I long to sit in police, get a hold of me now, cover me in brownses, because brown sauce is also big bear. That's brown sauce. I'm losing, I'm losing the accent. You hit a real good sweet spot there about minute 30. I'll do it again.

You'll get the rules back around it. You'll find it. What the hell is brown sauce? HP sauce. What? HP or HP? I have no idea what you're talking about. It's brown sauce.

Brown sauce? In the UK, they like it. It's brown. Okay, so you're talking about gravy? It's brown. It's brown sauce. All right, makes sense. Well, the reason why Pricey went back home was because he truly believed, and he was

probably right in this, he believed that if he went into hiding, Catherine was just going to go after his kids and kill them. Geez. So he just went back home. You need to get a panic room. Yeah. He needs a panic room in there. So on Pricey's last day on earth, he told his friends that if he didn't show up to work

the next day, she'd kill them. And as we know, that is exactly what happened. Okay. On February 29th, in the year 2000. In the year 2000. I know. You have to by law. By law we have to do that.

We're in our thirties. In the year 2000. Yes. White males in our thirties, we are forced to do that or one week in prison. So Catherine woke up with three jobs to do. Say goodbye to her loved ones, lay the groundwork for her soon to be needed legal defense and murder John Price. Geez.

So she set off in the morning with her kids and went to her friend Gert's place. Come on. Exactly yogurt. Gert. All right. There Catherine launched a new attireate about how abusive Pricey had been over the years and just for good measure, threw in a recent example. Now we have no idea as to the veracity of this story because the only person who could

make a rebuttal was dead within 12 hours of Catherine telling it, but Catherine said that she and Pricey had gotten into a blue after she'd said something about Pricey's mother as she was want to do. That was always her big thing with all of her husbands and common laws is that when she really wanted to hurt someone, she'd start talking about their mother and talking about how awful that person's mother was. Well, that'll do it. You can't be talking poorly about people's mothers.

I'm also going to go out of the way. I mean, obviously this is my opinion, but she's trying to get them to hit her. Yeah. I think a part of it is that what you do is you push and you push and you push, especially somebody like her, because what she's really looking for is that sweet, righteous anger. Right, right. For finally, I'll push you so far, you'll punch me, and then now I could do whatever I want.

Now it's on. Yeah. Then she'll go wail on him. Well, in response, Katz said that Pricey grabbed her breast and started pulling at it before going for a throw. You put it correctly. It's rich, mid-brist. That's what she kept saying is that she would go and like, no, strange way to fight.

Yeah. Katz said that what he would do to fight is grab her breasts and just mash them a bunch. Interesting. Yeah, I don't think that happens in the UFC too often, but I guess it's Australia at a different time. Lightly cup the breast. Sure. Yeah.

And as proof, she flopped one of them out and showed it to Gert. Well, thank you, but first of all, but second of all, I'm flipping around. I'm flipping it. Let me have a sniff. Seems to be unbrewed. It was. Kind of a weird, but they said that maybe she was punching herself in the chest. Yeah.

Who knows what actually happened? Maybe he did do that. Maybe she did it to herself. Who will never know? But the fact remains was that was the story that Catherine was spreading on the day of the murder. Okay. Because after Gert, Catherine went to the police and repeated the story.

Then she went over to her sister Joy's place to return some video she'd borrowed. And the Knight family had damn near a video store's library of bootleg VHS tapes that they swapped between members. Now do we know what genre they liked the best? Catherine liked horror. She did like horror. Yeah. Okay.

Her face, she was a huge horror movie buff. Interesting. And she had recently, before the murder, become obsessed with a forgettable 1999 Christopher Lambert vehicle called Resurrection. Okay. Interesting. Have you guys seen this? No.

I haven't seen it. No. I mean, it's one of those like, you know, 5.3 rated on IMDB movies that we all kind of scanned over in the video store. It's an HBO middle of the day movie that you'd see at that time period when you were at your mom's house. You'd watch it and be like, oh, what's this? It was like, oh, it's like between the Gothic and the Super Mario Brothers movie.

Right. Absolutely. Yeah. So she probably watched movies like Scream and other films. Yeah. She had a huge collection. Yeah. Huge collection of horror movies.

So in Res, but the reason why Resurrection was special was because in that movie, a serial killer stuns his victims with a slaughterhouse stun gun, dismembers them, and uses the body parts of his victims to reconstruct the body of Jesus Christ. Oh. Get creative. Yeah. Oh. Oh.

I like it. Okay. Now, the prosecution would make one hell of a big deal about Resurrection during Catherine's trial, but honestly, I don't think the movie actually gave her the idea. I think she became obsessed with it because someone had put her fantasies on film. You know what I think gave her the idea? Working in a fucking slaughterhouse. Could be.

Could be. Yeah, because she didn't rearrange John Pricey's limbs to look like Jesus Christ. Okay. She rearranged his body, yes, but we'll get into just how exactly she did that. All right. So after returning a couple of videos to Joy, Catherine took her video camera and went to visit her daughter, Natasha. Once there, Catherine set up the video camera and took her grandkids on her knee.

She then opened up her shirt and let the children play with her breasts, singing shrill nursery rhymes of her own devising about Nanna's Titty-Bulks. Nanna's Titty-Bulks, all his own Nanna's Titty-Bulks, playing with the tone you've got to see. Look at my boobs. Wow. Look at the boobs. I don't know, I don't think the kids should be playing with their boobs there.

It doesn't seem appropriate. It'd be weird even if it wasn't ramping up to a murder. This isn't the 1950s and I don't think it would be better then, but the kids had Game Boys and, you know, this is my goodness. Well, we're a pre-ordained society in America. We have problems with the nudity in this country and we're grown and we're raised to believe that we shouldn't be nude around our families, but this is a little bit different than that.

I would say, yeah, I mean, yes. I'm very happy that I don't have a memory of playing with my grandmother's breasts. Me too, man. I mean, kids bouncing around like, yeah, I'm real happy. I'm real happy that never happened. Yeah, of course. But I'm saying in Australia, I don't know if it's different. I don't know.

I don't think it is. I don't think it is. I don't think it's... I don't think it's beyond the pale. I don't think this is normal. It's a snuff film is what it is. Well, just the idea of like a nice afternoon with grandma, is it the first quarter of it, is playing with her tits?

Oh my goodness. It seems to be a lot. I did have a guy, what I grew up with, who was a friend of mine, the thing is that his dad used to always come out of the shower while we're hanging out in a real like locker room kind of way, where you'd always be like drying his dick and his balls, but it wasn't like molesty. No. Because he technically was covering them.

Yeah. But he was drying them real vigorously. No, that's what adult males do. They walk out and they let you know you're not yet a man. I don't understand the whole gym thing of like when you go into the locker room and a guy is doing a deep lunge on the bench with his fucking nanners sweeping the floor. The YMCA, I'll never forget those locker rooms, just you had to walk through the locker room to get to the pool.

I didn't shower. Or if I did, I had my little speedo on. That's nice. Speedo? I don't know. I was six or seven, eight years old. Okay. And now you have to zoom through.

So I was like eye level and it's all, it's the YMCA. I was like what is happening? I felt like I was fighting a bit of a surface, just dicks and balls dragged by the gravity of time. And they were all so confident. They are. And also, you know, then they go to the bathroom and they're confident in the bathroom, that's a time, I'm not there yet.

You can just publicly scream in the bathroom. Let's get back to Nana's titty. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Well, eventually the kids left Nana's lap and it was just Catherine by herself being filmed. She looked directly into the camera and said that she loved all her children and hoped to see them all.

It was really out of character, she said, that she showed up and she was like purposefully, I wish I could find this footage, but she was like purposefully being like kiss each other, kiss each other now, love me, you love me, I love you, I love you. And they were like, grandma never done shit like this before. Yeah. She was not affectionate at all. No, obviously, because she doesn't know how to even do that. No, it was, it's all, she was setting it up.

She was setting up to be like, look, I'm a loving grandmother. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that's totally normal. Yeah. And then she asked Natasha to watch her two young kids for the night. Half joking, her daughter said, quote, I'd be not going to kill Pryce in yourself. Catherine said, no, of course not.

Of course not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a yes. That's a yes. And so Catherine left her daughter's house at about 11 o'clock to go kill Pryce.

Now guys, we're about to be heading into Gold Star territory. I don't know, we talked about this beforehand. We don't know if it even is anymore because of the nature of humanity. Right, right, right. But just, just know it's going to get kind of fun. So get your gold star shirts off and be ready to listen to this next little stretch. It's a content warning content So pricey was already in bed by the time Catherine showed up at 11 30 p.m

So Catherine sat and watched Star Trek on TV for a bit then began her preparations Earlier that day Catherine had swung by the thrift store and bought a little piece of black lingerie Mm-hmm. It's not like it's thrift store boss lingerie Think about this. Well, so we'll even set the mood, right? There they've been having fights. Yeah, right So the thing that Catherine all would used to do to make up after a fight and said she'd get real sexy Yeah, so they go to sleep right pricey's off to sleep. She goes and she showers. She puts on the nighty She comes out

Hits the boombox Craving it's always been she starts sauntering Pricey's love ready for go. You want to give it a shoot in it. She's like, yeah It's nothing. I want better than you to port my dance days with your rifle. They stop looking at me And she's ready to go she pops on top of them, which is his favorite and she gets that good She's fast as possible. Mm-hmm. No, I don't know did that actually happen or is this another hand to say? I don't know if they played Katie Lang We don't know about Katie Lang, but yeah, she went in she took a shower

Woke them up. They fucked then he went to go take a piss. Is it safe to say if it's not Katie Lang? He was chumbawomba Whatever is romantic at the time chumbawomba now remember the year 2000 chumbawomba Yeah, oh, I forgot. Yeah, so she so she hopped into the beat of tub thumping He goes to take go to take a piss. She's got her knives above the bed as always Well pricey was coming back from the bathroom But besides just buying the lingerie Catherine had also gotten her knives sharpened just days before

As pricey was walking back to the bed from the bedroom Catherine pulled out her favorite boning knife and stabbed pricey in the chest The coroner said that Catherine purposely stabbed pricey like he was an animal facing slaughter But she missed the heart because this was her first human. Mmm So pricey didn't die. He tried to get past her, but still she kept stabbing He was finally able to get out of the room and he turned left heading toward the front door Drawing on some survival instinct pricey groped towards the hallway light switch on his way through trying to see anything And the stabs kept coming

He took another left and managed to make it to the front door opening it for a brief moment But Catherine who was a full seven inches taller than pricey and full of adrenaline stabbed him again Grabbed him and flung him back inside He hit the wall and stood there as she came at him one more time Stabbing him over and over as hard as she could when pricey finally fell to the floor dead Catherine Knight had stabbed him 37 times And he hadn't raised his hands to defend himself once my goodness

It's a way to go and twin she when she when he lied there It's like so there's five liters of blood in the human body I learned from bloodstained and if you look at pictures of that crime scene It looks like the elevator scene from the shining. Yeah, he bled out completely in that hallway like it's just Mayhem it's spattered blood. It's like she did no attempt to Lesson the impact of a crime or to hide any sort of evidence pure rage Well after the deed was done Catherine took a shower put on Jean shorts and a blue shirt and rifled through pricey's wallet grabbing His debit card she then drove to the nearby town of Muswellbrook and withdrew a thousand bucks

Strangely though that money no one knows where it went Well, it's cuz the whole family was like audit and get it And it just disappeared into the night Oh, huh, sure it did but even though we don't know what happened with the money Catherine's return to pricey's house We definitely know what happened next Catherine was about to realize her dream as per the opinion of Dr. Robert Delaforce Dr. Delaforce who examined Catherine's mental state after the murder Claimed that it is probable that Catherine thought about committing an act like this for a long time before she actually did it

He said the proof was what happened after the murder the skill time and focused required to do What we're about to tell you about now can only come from someone with purpose intent and deep desire Okay, well she fo she fully believed that every man is a rapist every man is an assaulter Every man is a murderer and should be treated as such She loved her job at the slaughterhouse and she loved the skill it took and in the way she took to How good she was she loved how good she was are in that slaughterhouse it sounds like yes And so yes, you could see that this is the ultimate. She's always been working up to this Yeah, and this is where true gold star territory begins. Okay

So before Catherine began she stripped down naked and set up her knives and whetstone in the living room Then she grabbed pricey's lifeless body and dragged it to her makeshift butcher shop The first thing to do was get rid of the skin She picked up a six inch carving knife and cut in one smooth line across the shoulders and down to the corpse's pubic hair Then around the genitals and down the legs She connected those cuts down the arms and across the top of his head She then slowly peeled off the corpses skin The only part that didn't make it was a chunk of stubborn hair

That was presumably hacked off and thrown aside when Catherine couldn't pull it loose After removing the skin Catherine hung it from a hook. She had fashioned in the doorway between the living room and the kitchen She had managed to get John Price's entire skin off in one piece and Pricey's hollow face was still recognizable as it hung from the hook Fucking hellraiser. Well, it's up there with a Dean level skill and in terms of being able to do it all and then it's about Presentation you wanted you to see this Yeah, put it up because what we'll learn too is that when they go in to investigate the crime when the police open the door It's the first thing you see. Yeah, yuck

But she wasn't done yet Next was the head She returned to the skinless corpse and cut through the muscle and bone of the neck And after the head was removed Catherine picked it up and took it to the kitchen And what they said is that she did such a good job beheading him that she Didn't even nick the bone She literally went slip because you'd you do is you kind of do the thing like you were like if you ever You've ever watched a video on deboning a chicken. No, they're fun

And then you get all the way down to the knuckle, right and then Snap snap it with a knife in between the two and then you can pull it out Right, and then you can kind of roll it back into like a little lollipop that you can cook It's a good thing for presentation. Do you have to make that sound? Well, you're doing it or is that oh, I see you mommy get you mommy strange Thanksgiving Well, the reason why Catherine took the head do the kitchen is because she was cooking a meal. Oh You know what So she dropped the head in a soup pot added water and spices and turned on the heat

She then went back to the body and sliced off a large piece of her favorite cut the rump and baked it in the oven Then it was time for the veggies She cooked zucchini potato squash Cabbage and topped it all off with a nice gravy. I'm not gonna say nice. Can we go as far as to say it's a nice gravy It seemed to be a crude gravy was that brown sauce that Henry was talking about After Catherine got all that worked up She served up the whole meal on two plates and left a placard in front of each on the placards She had written the names of

Pricies children She had cooked the gravy special for the youngest But there was one more indignation to come she walked back over to the skinless headless corpse Picked it up and sat it in Pricy's favorite chair she then crossed the legs and Popped an arm on a bottle of lemon soda squash Displaying him like he was just another dead thing that she had obtained complete mastery over I will say you say indignation, but it's kind of nice. She put him in the his favorite chair

Another freakout move. Yeah, of course I mean it was it was a freakout move, but it was also about owning like she owned this thing And she displayed it like she wouldn't fucking dead wombat This whole thing reads as a very intense performance piece But as you go through it's there certain details in the crime that are like very haunting to me Because especially cuz like we are just me like walking around you know these dreams and having careers and all those bullshit But they were like the meat from the human body is really dark and gamey Yeah, and he said the worst thing was that when she was making the gravy was in the saucepan and said we're such fatty

We're really fatty meat or because that was the other thing too is that she She tried to do when you make a gravy It's like you deglaze a pan with all the fat in it and you and you make it and it was on top of it when I found it Had this congealed layer of fat that also at some point She was trying to skim the fat off it like you would with a cup and they found that right next to that would the entire Presentation which is also not cleaned up all the vegetables were like hacked up and peels were left everywhere But there was this cup filled with liquid human fat like right next to the stove. It's interesting It's like when you order a pizza. There's too much grease on it. You pat it down. Yeah paper towels. Yes

Yeah, and at another point she had grabbed when she had cut off one of the pieces of meat and then Opened up the back door and threw it out in the backyard and last because she won't know why she did that They see she did it technically it was for the dog Then she no she killed the other dog. Yeah, she didn't kill his dog. No, I don't know. She just killed him I see and finally Catherine brewed herself a pot of coffee had a cigarette took a handful of pills and one last Half-ass suicide attempt. She then drifted off to sleep and to this day Claims to remember nothing. Oh of the night. Oh, yeah, she's she's full shit Yeah, she's full shit, but and then we're gonna find out too. It's like well remember too price

He's been telling people that are gonna that he's been telling his friends and his neighbors that she's gonna fucking kill him Right and now they're waiting to see it. So that so the next day Yeah, next day pretty soon after Catherine fell asleep because this was an all-night affair because Mary She would take a while. Yeah, about midnight and so Couple hours after she fell asleep if even that Pricy's neighbor Andrew Anthony Keegan Looked out the window just as the Sun was rising and he saw that Pricy's van was still in the drive wage He thought it was weird because usually Pricy was gone like 30 minutes before Andrew even woke up

And he said specifically Pricy said to him if you ever wake up am I a van is there and I'm not at work She's that's when she's killed me. Yeah, she's so Keegan walked over to the house and knocked on the door to make sure everything was Okay, when there was no answer Keegan looked down at the door handle and saw that it was covered in blood Hmm the cops were called and the first one on the scene took a peek through the mail slot To see if he could assess the situation before backup came The only thing he could see was what he thought at the time was a bunched-up curtain hanging in a doorway Then reality it was the skin of John Price. Good Lord Cops then pride opened the back door with the crowbar stumbling into possibly the most gruesome crime scene in

Australian history think about this you open this door and that's what they said is that they saw this thing because the brain Works in a way that like if you see human skin hanging from a hook it your brain It's gonna kind of translate it in a way you open it up. They saw curtain Yeah, we're trying to look at that look for patterns. Yeah when there's something that we can't understand Yeah, so you look at it They just saw curtain hanging in the doorway and said like oh, let's go to the back of the house to see we go They saw blood was everywhere the investigator Move the curtain like it was walking through and he was like it was wait for some racing and all of a sudden

I looked down at my hand and all I thought was bloody. I thought I had myself jamming the dill came in And they wasn't until they saw her sleep. They turned around. They're like, oh There's pricey's fucking face Hanging from a hook. Yeah. Yeah, they were right for a while No, that is like that's Texas chainsaw massacre style here Some of them were never right again like one one of the man at first guys on the scene He'd never returned to being a cop says he can't sleep at night ever like he hasn't he hasn't slept since like not Not like a good night. He has nightmares

Well when the cops came in they searched through the house and they found Catherine She was just on the bed just snoring away just sleeping. Yeah, because the pills hadn't taken like full effect yet Because she hadn't been asleep very long. So they brought her out. She was still alive. She was just dazed They took her to the hospital and they pumped her stomach and then charged her with the murder of John Price And that was the first time she'd ever been actually charged with a serious crime Wow is what 49 49 and the trial was insane It was a huge media thing Well, the thing was that the trials that she pled not guilty at first and then pretty soon in

Switched it to guilty. Although no one's really sure why she switched it to guilty She never really said because she wanted to she wanted at first she thought she could lie her way out of it Yeah, if you read the transcripts of her interviews with the police afterwards, they make no sense No, first of all, they're rambling you can kind of see a little bit more of who she was as a person She was very stupid. She really couldn't put together a coherent thought But she was cunning and she knew the one thing you don't do is you don't give them fucking anything Yeah, you just say I don't know I don't know I don't know and so for a while I think she maybe thought hey, I can get away with this because I've always gotten away with shit

I don't know how you can but then it turns into yeah, I did it. Yeah, but the question then was Is Catherine Catherine Knight ever gonna see the light of day? It was as the real trial was the sentencing phase Mm-hmm, but much to the joy of the people of Aberdeen Catherine Knight Well, never ever see the light of day again All right, she was the first and as far as I can see only woman in Australia to be sentenced to life Without parole, but I tell you what I believe in you Australian ladies. I think you can make it happen I yeah, well, I really try I mean that's not we here in America. We've currently got 182 in California loans

Come on Now Catherine Knight has now been in prison for 17 years a Recent book that just came out a couple months ago I think about Australia's women's prisons called green is the new black actually has some Fascinating insights into Catherine's present-day life. How she do Catherine's doing right now. She's doing great. What's she up to? She is Loving it in prison. She's known as the Nana. Yeah And apparently Catherine Knight's the queen bee of the block She finds non-violent solutions to problems between inmates. In fact, Catherine has never once raised a hand in violence in prison

That's because she doesn't have to her reputation is so fierce that she was essentially Handed the status of prison boss without having to lift a finger towards the other prisoners One guard said this about her. They simply do not fuck her in with her and that's a fact well Yeah, interesting. This could have gone another way if you look at what happened with Dahmer Yeah, no treat it so well it really could it what's about again She kind of just loves jail and was her best self in jail Yeah, yeah, she works in the headphone factory every day from like 8 p.m. 8 a.m. To 1 p.m. She's making headphones She beheaded someone

Interesting weird yeah, but she earns top wage among her fellow prisoners But that's also despite the fact that there are four armed guards surrounding her every second She's in the factory, you know that makes her wet as a slip-and-slide being all these huge men with sticks I don't know my goodness. So people are wearing ear buds right now in Australia that were made by Catherine Knight I bet that the kind of cheap earbuds like go on airplanes, you know, we've all Yeah And even though Catherine Knight's family defended her again and again they have since Abandoned her to her fate completely. She's reportedly had not a single visitor in years

However, she makes do by being the prison's event planner and always make sure that everyone is included. It's anyway Can we get OJ? Can OJ come and hang out? I want to talk about football The real football Right no, she still isn't allowed to be in a room with a knife And she does have her own cell because the prison is afraid she'll kill whoever has to live with her But Catherine has said from almost the moment she was arrested That she has never been as happy as she was in prison and presumably

She still is well actually a sad ending then yes weirdly But you could see her looking on her little prison window and she's doing the song And then her knife is like somewhere in a dumpster She did love those knives and she did like she loved her Knives more than anything and they are all very into their dancing together in a ballroom in her mind Yeah, she loved her knives. I'd you're tough to dance with though. Mm-hmm. All right. That's Catherine Knight Literally, I actually have a really good doctor. Do you know my name is just we go check it out All right. Well, there it is. That's it. That's a scary stuff spooky scary stuff

I Disgusted I One day I'll get good at the Australian accent. Yeah, I today you're better than you were last week I do a regular Hugh Jackman today. Yeah, really regular huge old Jack. Yeah regular Paul There's only a huge bunion And the newest Charles Manson's in the new Quentin Tarantino movies also fucking Australian they're taking all Australian to see us but This is a example again. We took you down with the idea of Paul

I do wish I could be a better actor to serve the Australian people for hashtag Australian content But I will eventually do it and because it'll eventually it'll have to be I'm playing some kind of swamp man CW show and I'm fine with that. That's a big market. We got to break into it. Wait, I need to get there But her story is again, we mean like it's the common story of the abuser Yeah, it's the and escalated to something horrific and it can happen both ways. It's also again Remember, it's strangely the first woman serial killer to do it for sexual reasons. Well that really serial killer I guess yeah, not yeah, no, no She would have bet if she was ever busted

I mean, who knows how many people she could have killed I guess once you do this once. Yeah, I don't think she I don't think she killed I think she saved it. It's it's just more about We're just capable of so many horrible things. Yeah, we really are all right Well, you're not capable of horrible things. Thanks for giving to our patreon Very good. Thank you. Very good. All right, everyone. Well, thank you all so much for listening What a what a fun two-parter that was intriguing interesting and wonderful. Yes, it was we have our live show coming up Yes in Seattle at bumbershoot bumbershoot. Um, if you can't make it to see that we'll be around getting drunk Yes, um because we have drinking problems

Hmm, and we just do it to pass time and also to feel good. It should be fun. I'm excited for Seattle It's always we haven't been back. This is their first time in what two years or something about a year Yeah, almost two years and a half. I think we went January 2017. Maybe January 20. Yeah, January 2017 That was the last time we were in Seattle. So we're looking forward to coming back and we're also coming back To Washington DC We're gonna be doing a show Down there for the true crime festival crime festival will put all that information back up on social media But know that will be in that's November 5th

And we're having a string of dates which that we will soon to be announcing After I get met it. We will then have more time to be on the road Mm-hmm. That way that true crime festival is death becomes us Yeah, it's put on by a brightest young things and it's gonna be fucking great But yeah, we're gonna be doing a show as a part of that So you can just Google last podcast on the left watching in DC. I think it's gonna be on November 4th Is that it fit that November 5th? Honestly, honestly on that Sunday based off the movie death becomes her. I don't know

Bruce Willis is for me favorite one of my favorite performances of his Wonderful performance But again, thank you to Jen Tisdale for helping put all that together. Thank you very much Jen. Thank you Jen That's yeah, and if you get a chance if you gave to our patreon. Thanks so much We have a really interesting interview this week Henry and I did with this guy who wrote Mark Jacobson He wrote a book on William a.k.a. Bill Cooper. Yeah, and I really want to read this book It's about his like worms and all it's probably the book We would have used as a source if we had it when we were doing our bill Cooper episodes

Which I now kind of want to do an addendum to because I want to find out more about him I actually very and yeah, I was very proud to hear that that we came pretty close to nailing it Yeah, we did pretty good. He said pretty good. Yep. I also have a little interview with him at the end of this week's abling It's top at so check that show out and check out all the shows here on the last podcast network Yes, and uh follow us on all of that horseshit and LP on the left. There it is. All right everyone hail yourselves hail Satan again Magus deletions hail me and give me strength in this in these hot days And I can feel the sweat rolling down my side rolls, but I'm getting lighter a little bit in the front I don't know, but you're not wearing enough feel it

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