Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 333: The Andreasson Affair

Episode Date: September 22, 2018

It's time for aliens as we cover the best documented close encounter of the fourth kind we have. Join us as we explore the more psychedelic corners of the alien world with the most unlikely of drivers: a fundamentalist mother of seven from Massachusetts. 

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started No That that's uh nobody but me It's the start of the show I actually I don't know if we legally can start the show like that I tell you what man in August what you find me in New York City every chair. I sit in is a goo chair You don't understand because we if you have said we have not gone through the outline just yet But there's a lot of goo chairs in the cell. Oh, all right. Well, this is the last podcast on the left

I am Ben. That's Henry. Oh, and well actually I'm Ben. That's Marcus. Yeah, that Henry is in the room So I am sorry Marcus. I am slick with it today. Yeah, you look wet New York gets it out of me I get all covered in syrup, which is kind of good for the episode I'm actually really happy that it worked out like this. There's so much old lady slathered in syrup in this just all their knees all covered in it and the what you're gonna see is the technically with Betty and Dresden It's like I always picture my mom anyway, so just imagine my mom will slick with oil All right. Well, I have not read this outline yet, so it's gonna be new to me as well today We're gonna get out of this world, which I'm actually really happy to do

I yeah, this world's not very good right now, so I'm happy to get out of this world the Andriesen affair that is the name of today's episode the Andriesen affair and I'm assuming it's not a couple's issue No, no, no, no is a it is a singles issue. Oh, okay It is very much a singles issue as are many Abduction episodes so we're doing alien abductions and again what I'm really excited for again sci-fi and the idea of aliens and UFOs for me is an optimistic view Yes, sometimes do they scrape the eggs? Yeah, but you weren't gonna use all them eggs How many women just shoot eggs out?

Absolutely, and men we have an abundance of of the of the substance that goes into an egg Can I ask a weird thing what okay? Do you know like after you have an orgasm as a man? Yes to 20 minutes later? Do you're like balls tingle like for me and my idea is that it's my eggs must my mom my balls are getting filled back up Yeah, yeah, it could be yeah I just picture I just picture like um like Santa Claus's like Workhouse, you know, whatever was just like putting them back together Yeah, just squeezing sperms out of a tube. This is not the greatest workshop to be in I don't know what I did

It smells like ammonia. Oh, no Well, the Andriesen affair was an abduction scenario that occurred in 1967 in which a mother of seven from Massachusetts named Betty Andriesen was supposedly Abducted from her home and taken to a faraway planet and or dimension. I don't know why you keep saying supposedly We need to be fair I guess is this fair and balanced This abduction is somewhat unique and that the abductee was devoutly religious and seemed to intertwine her abduction Experience with archaic symbols of Christianity despite having no knowledge of said symbols Hold on a second. Do you mean to tell me that someone who's deeply religious might believe in something that doesn't exist?

Buddy turn your shade down about six This episode it's really important for you to open Your perspective okay, yeah, because this is up. This is it's very interesting Well, we're gonna get into what I think especially with something like this I mean, we're gonna cover this. It's one of the most well-documented abduction cases of all time Uh in terms of the most info from an abductee to come out to record the entire Abduction scenario is is it's very psychedelic. It's very interesting and what we're seeing here for me Is that perfect example of the psychic slash physical nature of the alien problem?

And what where it's where Betty Andriesen kind of shows because this is an early on abduction Yeah, like this is from the 1960s. So what you're gonna find out is that a lot of this is is about the question of What is real and what is knowledge Marcus? Yeah, this is a bad bad first day When you say alien problem Henry, are you admitting it's an issue? Do you you see the aliens as a problem? I believe Hmm, he looks away like a me looking at a large pizza if aliens are a nuts and bolts scenario If aliens are on another planet, I'm also this is all for me reading the three-body problem the whole dark forest theory Which if you're gonna read that you got to read that to understand where I'm at And so the if there are actual aliens and other planets if they find them or if we accidentally reached it

If we find them or if they find us accidentally, we're fucked. Okay. Um, we are we're fucked whatever they are They're gonna come they're gonna destroy us But if it's a psychic problem and in the end it is really all about knowledge is power reading as a rainbow Every a book can take you anywhere. Um a pamphlet is your magic carpet. Okay, very good Well Betty took numerous conventional lie detector tests as well as some more Experimental ones and she easily passed all of them Wow, but all that proves is that she believes her story, right? Now but she has quite a few believers on her side Including Raymond Fowler author of the book the Andriesen affair, which is the most extensive study on the case

She also has our old friend. Dr. J. Allen Heineck No one wore a van dyke better than Ellen DeGeneres Absolutely. Heineck is all over alien lore. He is what he's one of the originators I see because you may recall dr. Heineck from our Hudson Valley UFO sightings episode as the co-author of the book Night Siege Now remember Heineck was the real deal He worked on project sign project grudge and project blue book. He was the heavy Yeah, it was the bad guy the whole point of dr. J. Allen Heineck on project blue book was like convince me Yeah, because he was a scientist his job was to not be hired by the government

Essentially to say all of this shit is air balloons or swamp gas right but after years and years of researching into the problem Which we're gonna see happens again and again with a lot of these scientists He's sort of getting a lot of doubts because it's a really just about what are the nature of aliens? What are we looking at? There's something here Everyone can't always be lying. So he's sort of an alien deep throat kind of a whistleblower somewhat Okay, because he was one of the guys on Project blue book is when they put project blue book back when they gave project blue book to the government They said like okay, we can explain all these and all the rest of these we just can't explain like we can't we're not saying they're UFOs

But we they're not we're not saying they're aliens, but we can't explain them Yeah, so what's the you and UFO fucking stand for unidentified so if it comes down to it's like it's not an identified We didn't know what it is That's where the question is so put your question mark hat on right and think about it for a little bit and let it be let it Roll around in your brain and make things difficult for you like it did for me I take all of the files that we don't understand and put them under the letter X for some reason Maybe a movie or a show could come around called the X files We kind of cool well when Heineck finally came to believe in UFOs

He came up with the famous close encounter scale which you can learn all about on her Hudson Valley UFO episode We went into it pretty extensively, but for this episode We're gonna be focusing on a close encounter of the fourth kind meaning the person involved was actually abducted by alien beings And it sounds like this Alien reaching out and touching somebody My promise that it normally god, it's always got to do with the pee pee into page onto well I don't know it sounds like that person has the body of stretch Armstrong, which is not good. What do you mean? That's not what humans sound like

Touch me. Hold on. All right. I'm touching Henry now. I know it's audio It actually is what humans sound like that's incredible Well psychedelic warrior Jacques Valet expanded upon the fourth encounter scale by adding quote Cases when witnesses experienced a transformation of their sense of reality Which brings the close encounter scale into the psychedelic realm. You didn't say it correctly technically it is Yes, there's when we don't feel some spirals like transformation of the absence of reality That's how he speaks. He's very official sounding and I guess what man. He's got big weird hair I've been watching a lot of Jacques Valet footage recently

I haven't really watched him in like to go the accent makes him fuckable, but the hair. It's not good He's got he's like a cone head of a cone headed a full head of gray hair Probably help out a little bit to fit in. He sounds like he has he loves the white bread not the crust You sliced that on there little sandwiches. I just see him with a lot of little same. That's wonderful. Yeah, of course Well as Fowler writes in the entries in a fair even though encounters of the fourth kind may be the key to understanding the whole Phenomenon of aliens as we know it close encounters of the fourth kind are by definition too weird to be believed to be Realized and that's the problem if you're too weird to be realized

And then you are too weird to be written to an academic journal Which is what they're trying to say is that there's because of the Nature of close encounters of the fourth kind Nobody wants to really tackle the problem because it's really difficult to get the funding that you need to show up me like Shit's all fucked up. It's kind of trippy man If that's the answer at the end of the months long research process, they don't they don't want to give you money for that That's great. Well, here's the way that Fowler lays it out. Okay, imagine being a bear Kissel Kissel. I'm talking you. It's actually not that much of a stretch. Okay. I got it

I was just camping last weekend that did some bear like activities. Yeah, imagine you're a bear You're just hanging out doing bear stuff Did you shit in a river again Did Dave Kahler have to hold your hand while you shat in the river? Did you get like a secret memo? We're not gonna discuss what I do in reverse or what I don't do in reverse Okay, imagine you're this bear and you've never had contact with humans suddenly you see this gigantic Definitely definitely loud big blackbird in the sky Oh, so you feel a slight pinch and then you pass out

When you wake up, there's some weird shit attached to your neck and you got no idea what happened now to us It's obvious that the blackbird was a helicopter The pinch was a tranquilizer dart and the weird shit is a tracking collar because we're the people in the big black bird With the tranquilizer darts. Yeah, I was actually pretty confused about that. Okay. Yeah, but try to imagine being a bear and Explaining that whole experience to other bears. It's just guys going They're like Timmy the bear how the hell did you learn how to ride a unicycle? That's a whole story he's got to explain and all of a sudden you're fired from your bear job of being the honeycomb scratcher I don't know what bear jobs would be all right, but you're fired from that because no one takes you fucking seriously

Yeah, exactly everyone all the other bears that think you're crazy Such as the nature of a close encounter of the fourth kind I see so this is the equivalent of this woman coming out on a used in unicycle with a little hat and everyone's like Why do you look like a circus creature and she's like this is the new me? Yeah, yes, but a part of this is at this point in time. So when we're gonna get into this when Betty Andreessen comes forward and talks About the abduction. This is after There's a little bit of loosening in UFO thought Jay Allen Heineck was one of these people. These are pure nuts and bolts UFO guys Jay Allen Heineck was only interested in incitings and things that could be measured

He wanted to get he wanted evidence. He wanted charring from if a UFO landed He wanted to see the indentations big on indentations. Yeah, which shows a lot about their chairs in their homes You know, he's just like you know You didn't sit in a chair if there's no outline of your butt in it and that's nice because you read a lot Jay but he Started to open up his mind a little bit because closing counters of the fourth kind We're gonna see this is kind of where Jacques Ville and that whole post-modern view of aliens being psyched out like experience Starts coming forward and this idea that it's not maybe just ships in the sky

It could be something that's a little bit more wiggity than that That's interesting. You mentioned chairs and indentations camping this weekend There was a moment where my chair said I've had enough and it tapped out and it just went like into the ground I was sipping a bud light. It was just the one ounce that broke the chairs back You are it was embarrassing your step closer to being a ufologist. Oh, thank you No, even though Heineck was the man who originally brought Betty Andries and story to the world She was not he was not the first person she went to see for years Betty like many Abductees had only a vague recollection of what she said happened then in

1974 seven years after the abduction She was reading the National Enquirer Back when it was still a fun paper full of Bigfoot's and Elvis sightings The only time they mentioned the president was to say that he was canoodling with aliens and not just people from Croatia So Betty's reading the paper when she sees a call for alien abduction stories Okay, so she wrote in with hers, but much to the detriment of the Enquirer. They rejected her story It was too weird for the Enquirer Well, you're gonna hear the nature of the story

It is very strange and at the very that the very Scratch of the surface of her stories pretty ordinary. Okay, and I imagine they were like oh We've heard this a thousand times and it wasn't until they cracked open Betty Andries since mind that they were like oh There's like a whole fucking lore here Well, I guarantee you world weekly news would have picked this up. Oh, yeah, world weekly news weekly world news weekly world I guarantee you weekly world news were to pick this up That was the greatest little like magazine that you would get on the check aisle. Yeah No, I wouldn't be sitting here right now if it wasn't for the weekly world news. What are the kids nowadays gonna get? Is it us?

Well after getting rejected by the National Enquirer Betty saw an ad in a local paper from none other than Jay Allen Heineck Yes, Heineck was just posting random ads and local newspapers all over the country on behalf of the Center for UFO studies a.k.a. Cufos so you want to get if you want to get a big abducted fish You got to put up that proper proper bait Absolutely little articles in the classified section right because if you've been abducted you're spending a lot of time in the Class of sure and what else do fish have eggs? What fish eggs for scraping oh, I love caviar

Have you had caviar one time I caviar freaks me out. I don't like it. I don't like the way it pops Oh, it's no, it's nasty. I don't like it I don't like the little caviar, but I like the ones in sushi the big ones So you can really get all that egg juice and gushes into the back There's a Venn diagram between being really really really really rich and extremely poor where they just both eat disgusting things Sometimes mmm, so Betty after seeing this ad she tried again and Heineck He is totally up front and saying that he Originally threw her letter in the crank pile well in his forward for the Andreessen affair by Raymond Fowler

He definitely does a whole like I didn't believe in her story. I thought she was full of shit I matter of fact, I thought she was a daffy loony bitch I mean like he is hard. He's really hard on her. He's harsh I just want to see his crank file. That sounds like an awesome book But for some reason he felt he needed to take another look and decided upon a second reading That at least someone should give this story a shot. So he kicked it on over to move on The mutual UFO network. Yes, VIP investigator 27093 It's me. Okay, and they handed it to their humanoid study group. I

Love it. We're just I can't wait to be a part of one of these study groups Man, I still got to do my shadow hours once I get in there that I can form my own group Yeah, the humanoid study group, and it's gonna be them studying me once we get done with the book You can start your shadow hours. We can all get back to our regular scheduled programs. Thank you very cool so finally in 1977 an official investigation was spearheaded by none other than Jules Valenkort Who's only mentioned online is his Facebook profile last updated in 2010 in which the only two posts were about a lake in Massachusetts and an announcement of a new email address. He was let go

I mean, it's hard. I knew it was him though because the profile picture the only picture uploaded was him grinning while holding a sign That's an area 51. He was very happy with it. He was very pleased. I love our officers of move on I really do but I do wish they could up the pizzazz at least make it a little bit more professional show the lanyard Yeah, I do wish that there was a movie called or a TV show called crank files Yeah, that of the X files and it would star Michael Richards and Fran Drescher Yeah, it would be a different kind of show. I tell you what I'd watch that episode But on the spice channel called the crank files with Fran Drescher whoo, she was a looker I love and I think I love her voice and she's very funny. I love it, too

She ran for governor. So when the story went to move on it caught the attention of Raymond Fowler, okay? A Fowler was actually the one who wrote one of the earliest Editions of the move on investigators field manual a document that I have no doubt Henry at this point in your move on career You must have seen the field investigators manual. I have it. It's 45 pages long. It's very They sent into a PDF and then they offered to send you a hard copy. It costs. I think $15 to get a hard copy But it's like but I already have the PDF and they're like, but what about notes and I'm like, well You can make notes in a PDF now and they're like what? It's still 1985

Over there guys. It's like no man. Look at this dude. Look at my new glasses. They got a pizza hut Cool even though Fowler was a big wig at move on he also acted as a scientific Associate at Kufos and I'll actually I'll have to admit like it's pretty strange to see two UFO Organizations working so well together because usually UFO organizations are notoriously guarded with their cases and can be horribly Envious of each other which we saw on our men in black episodes. They fight all the time You know what it is is that it's the godfather came in and he Deliberated between the clients. Heineck is the godfather. Yeah He came in he was saying they're all like sitting in a chair and it's dark and it's not because it's mysterious

It's because they did not have the money for the electric bill and they're sitting in a table I'm certain it's some form of restaurant where there's a lot of carbs involved Fucking just enjoyed themselves and but you know what it is It's because move on was taking the abduction cases. Yeah, because Heineck was all about sightings Gotcha. Yes. And so a part of it was that he he let them have it. It was their jurisdiction You know for it's always funny when the meetings are like well the meeting has got to be between four and five That is the only hour. They have half off apps It goes one minute longer. I we're not buying anymore. We're not buying it

There's a lot of half-off apps in the world of UFO Well, I thought it was but they're the reason why they kind of kicked it over to move on was because no one really took And Betty Andreson seriously because she there was no evidence besides just her testimony Well, they didn't and a part but they knew that they could get the guy that they needed to remove it's very you know I get it. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Of course. This is that's why it went in the crank file Yeah, but nevertheless Fowler joined Valen court and Heineck and the team gained another member Hmm all they needed now was a hypnotist I'm a hypnotist. Oh one two three now. You're a chicken one two three. You don't smoke one two three. You're smoking again

Hypnotist has power for everyone Mr.. Hypnotist right now. I'm currently a smoking chicken Yeah, you just could you get me out of the chicken or not have me smoke first I'm gonna need you to give me five five stars of my hypnotist only app I'm gonna need you to do that and I mean you sign up for the mailing list I'm just gonna need to do that. Don't worry. I'm not you're not gonna get a lot of spam How many times you get an email? How many emails a week two three times a day? But it's mostly just you want to be up to date with what I've done to other people. I turn people into lizards

Eggs, I actually don't mind being a chicken that smokes. That's how it always works Well the thing about close encounters of the fourth kind is that in almost every case the meat of the experience is either hazy Or blocked altogether with the abductees usually only remembering the beginning and the end Now say all you want about hypnotic regression therapy because admittedly it did destroy quite a few lives during the satanic panic of the 80s And 90s. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but unfortunately in the fourth kind area It's pretty much the only tool at the ufologist disposal. Okay. This is what we got. Yeah, right This is just this is what they have to do so a part of this episode I mean if you're already listening to this episode God, you're sexy

Oh god, you have the tools what it takes to make it in this world. All right, but the second time You also have the imagination to maybe allow yourself to believe in this and apart It's like I don't know about the regression I don't really know. Yeah, but it when you're gonna see in this case is that the shit that pops out of the back of her head She is either an incredible storyteller or something happened Something like this happened like and so we'll see let's ease up on and then allow ourselves to believe for a little bit And then we can go back to your small worlds filled with your taxes and your orthopedic shoes Well, if you don't pay taxes you go to prison like Wesley Snipes, then you actually are in a small. Yeah, that's the problem

So the hypnotist the team chose was Harold J. Edelstein Director of the New England Institute of Hypnosis a.k.a. Ney What's an acronym that sounds like a horse queef According to Fowler as of 1977 Edelstein was one of the few people to have pursued the art of hypnosis as a full-time career Yeah, man. Well, how do you sit your parents down and just be like that math degree? I got not gonna use it You go like mom dad. I have something important to say. All right, this is not about my sexuality if you're gay It's not a problem. No, no, this is not about my

Thank you. We always thought you were gay follow the jewel Oh, oh, oh three deeper. Oh and deeper barb. I think he's gay. No deep. No, okay. No, no No, this is not about my sister. Okay, all of the jewel. It's on it's on a pendulum. Okay one two three. I'm a hypnotist Not gay though, huh Yeah, okay well well Edelstein followed the trail that was blazed by the famed Ronald Sprinkle PhD He's just how does that man not make ice cream? He wanted to get away from the stigma. His name is Ronald Sprinkle PhD Ronald Sprinkle PhD He wanted to be taken serious in a science that he could be taken seriously with the name Dr. Sprinkle

Yeah, usually PhD like in the brain you're like, okay an academic but Ronald Sprinkle PhD It actually makes him sound more Juvenile. I went to nine years of ice cream school He had to get very serious. That's the opposite. I imagine Ronald Sprinkle would like he'd hit you if you look if you if you pushed him Oh, a person named Ronald Sprinkle has a very short temper on account of being constantly mocked I did some a little bit of research on Ronald Sprinkle PhD His professional name is R. L. Sprinkle But and but apparently by a lot of accounts. He's like the nicest kindest man doing a thing for it Well, thank you very he's a very sweet and that's actually that's the thing about like alien

Abduction scenarios and people that study aliens. These are very sweet people for the most part very few of them are awful Okay, you have to be pretty genuine. That's a part of with me with my UFO stuff. It's out there I know I'm I'm being vulnerable. I'm hanging my butt out the window for anybody to come and stick their finger up it But I know for a fact. I'm just a man who wants to believe I just I'm looking for something some form of meaning in this on this rock that's circling the blazing sun Right, I'm pretty sure that's how Charles Manson got most of his cult members It was Ronald Sprinkle PhDs assertion that repressed memories of UFO abductions could be brought to the surface by hypnotic

Regression and that's exactly what they did to Betty and treason over a 12-month 14 session ordeal in which Investigators say Betty never once contradicted herself Despite rigorous cross-examination really do shoot it and they do show that in the book very thoroughly She tells the same story again and again. Yeah, so that's that's a part That's one that's one score on the believability scale and all the lie detector stuff but you also have to have a hundred percent faith that Fowler is not jission the truth just a little he could be he could be but a part of it's a showman Yeah, part of it

You have to be a showman in order to sell your side of the story and then again Those who write the books create the reality and in creating a consensus reality Which Jack Valet says again and again is again He's another doctor who said that like again if everybody believes it to be real it then becomes real Yeah, we're talking about here the nature of knowledge and reality and what it means to perceive something and a part of it Is that sometimes you got to sell that story and in a way you're making it real? Just feel like Jack Valet has uttered the sentence like you see that as a wooden chair I see that as a full workout equipment set

Try steps work your bicep. You see yourself as a woman with clothes on who is not interested in chocolate But I would tell you you are in fact a woman with a no clothes on you It was absolutely in love with the chivalry You got liverwurst all over your face So much leftover Man anything in the French accent lucky people So before we get to the story itself Let's get to know Betty and the Andresans just a bit

Okay, Betty was a married mother of seven with kids ranging from eleven to three And they all lived in a small town in northern Massachusetts called South as Burnham Can I ask it's like it's some weird Massachusetts? They miss a bunch of letters. Yeah, so it's always like South like Yeah Yeah, I don't know yeah There's someone's gonna call like someone's gonna send us a tweet about how it said some stupid way that we could never have Guests in a million years. Can I just ask though? Is there a north Boston? Everything is south. No, I have anything that's ever happened in north

Colleges are oh, I see I guess um by the seventh child. Do you just like shoot it into a spittoon? Do you just like your legs? Just you just step up to like in a cowboy stance and just let it go like you're letting a tic-tac out of your butt Yeah, then it's belongs down like Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible. Is that the deal? Yeah, okay? Well, Betty was a devoutly religious person of the fundamental Christian variety who believed in a literal Interpretation of the Bible in other words She wasn't necessarily primed for abstract thinking or is she the most prime for abstract thinking that you actually think this shit You actually do believe that Jesus created many fish

For all the people to have fish in that day. He went into whale. I don't yeah does it does rely you have faith Yeah, is just no longer critically thinking so yes, they do they do have an alien like fascination But what's weird or the ability I could see that I could see that yeah Yeah, and we'll dev and we're definitely gonna get into this much more later on with her opinion of hypnotism is interesting Because she was anti-hypnotism because she thought it was of the devil. Yeah, it's weird It's also with a weird close-mindedness thing where she believes the Bible and then everything else is either witchcraft or right? They're putting cheese in the crust on the Pizza Hut pizzas now That's for the devil yeah, but please I mean do not get us wrong

We're not saying she's dumb or lesser than or anything of the sort because you know She seems like a very nice lady with the best of intentions. Yes, and if you are religious you're that is totally fine Yeah, and we're doing what we can do to survive in this weird little place Do whatever the fuck you want to do man You know I sit in a fucking drink scotch eat dark chocolate a spoke where rip bongs and a fucking watch horror movies. That's my shit Yeah, yeah, yeah, all we're really saying is like we're not really sure that Betty has the kind of mind that makes up a story Like the one we're about to tell okay, I think a bunch of stories I just wish a 17 year old you could talk to you now and be like you're doing what

Yeah, man fucking all you got to do is just fucking get it going dude He's like, what do you mean? She's like seven years of hard work. Yeah. Oh, yeah seven years of just pure like misery Yeah, but then you get whiskey dark chocolate in a box They get some whiskey during that hard work period Oh, yeah, it was Canadian mist Canadian mist that he had to count out change to so he could buy said Canadian mist To drink in the morning to get through his temp job. Yeah Normal normal. Yeah, we won't go if we want to a deep dive. I called it work juice It was really fucked up. It was a dark period in my life

so a couple days before Christmas in 1966 So we're getting this going yeah, we're gonna go and yeah I mean, this is like that. This is a bit of still a bit of the backstory a little bit of that story Just remember this. All right, we get in the gear. I'm gonna need you to oh Open your perception. Yeah, let's get it going. Yeah, I can spark a bell if I can get ready to go Okay, tell your boss to go fuck himself. Well, don't leave your job and go listen to this in the park So a couple days before Christmas in

1966 Betty's husband James had a bad car accident which put him in traction for months Hmm since Betty needed help with the seven kids her parents moved in temporarily Not much is said about Betty's mother Eva as she doesn't really play a part in this tale because she wasn't home when it all happened Yeah, she was getting plowed by the fire department. Oh, I don't think that's true Eva. That's I haven't heard that name since Wally Yeah, right. Yeah, I haven't heard the name since Hitler's fucking wife Okay, well, it's a different kind of Eva. Well, the parent who does play a part in this story is Betty's father Okay, way, no, ah-ho. Who is a Finnish immigrant? Way, no, ah-ho. Yeah, I'm sure way No, why do we ever shorten that to way? No is the best. I think that it must be pronounced like the animal

Yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't know finish. Please tell us if we don't know anything about finish. No So on the evening of January 25th 1967 the kids were all in the living room with way know watching bozo the clown on TV While Betty was in the kitchen because a parent I guess bozo was primetime. No, it was he was primetime and he is fucking frightening Never I was frightened from a bozo from day one. I loved bozo You were a big bozo woke up every morning and watch bozo on WDN before I went to school I did emulate the the ball game. Yeah, the grand prize game. Yeah, the grand prize Yeah, but it's interesting is that anybody could be bozo bozo was just like an entity

Yeah, so anybody could be bozo. It wasn't just one guy Yeah, it was just one guy. No, it was it was a series of guys on the TV, but they franchised bozo So bozo could get appear anywhere Like the when to go yeah appear anywhere at any time anybody could become bozo bozo was at my pigly wiggly as a matter of fact I did not know that was not the real bozo. No, but okay now that was just your local bozo. Okay Then as they're watching the then as they're watching TV in a snap the TV blinked out along with the lights And as the family prepared for a night in the dark as those sorts of things used to happen a lot more often They do now a pink light came shining in through the kitchen window

Wow And a stillness then settled over the house as if someone had removed the molecules that connect all things Yeah, dude, they're watching they're sitting there. They see this pink light everybody freezes and then way now Sees what's happening. Yeah, so we have seven children witnesses and way know Yeah, Betty and way know slowly walk to the source of light coming into the kitchen They looked out the window and they saw four creatures. This is way knows account These creatures that I saw Susa Vienzo with Betty's house were just like Halloween's freaks I thought they had put on a funny kind of headdress imitating a moon man

It was funny the way they jumped one after the other just like grace her purse Cool when you see the art of in the men or potting the buttocks with each other dancing and enforcing each other into what I've heard In a certain fix layer. It's a daisy chain He's finished, you know, it's a different kind of world Then suddenly the light stopped the house went black and the whole family froze in Suspended animation the whole family that is except Betty Okay, she watched as the four beings walked through the kitchen door itself Without opening it and stood in front of her the way she described it was the way she described it was very interesting

They walked single file Through the house and she said the way they did it was like um they walked together on a network and as they came through They walked in line and a weird syncopation and she said it was like watching them all hop. It's very psychedelic Yeah, interesting. So they walked through the wall in an orderly fashion high strangeness. Yeah, I strange high strangeness Okay, and we're about to hear a quote from Betty herself because we actually have a ton of quotes from Betty because a lot of the book The end reason affair is just transcripts of the hypnotic session sessions that she had with the investigators So this was Betty's first impression upon seeing the beings I'm thinking they must be angels because Jesus was able to walk through doors and walls and walk on water

Did you know that I did know that it must be angels and scriptures kept coming to my mind where it says entertain the stranger for it may be angels unawares What do you feed an angel? I don't even know but yeah entertain them was Betty described and these beings were pretty much your standard alien Graves. Oh pear-shaped head three feet tall black eyes slits for nostrils in the mouth Shiny dark blue form-fitting uniforms three-digit on each hand and high boots remember this We have only since because of pop culture. Yeah, especially since the 90s. Yes, we've made graze nude Remember this in most what were they wearing before flannel? No

No, they always wear little jumpsuits shiny black dark blue jumpsuit or brown or green But it's oh, they're always clothed So this woman is like so this chick is just like how are for David Bowie's in my house But there were a couple of things that set them apart one each alien had the insignia of a bird printed on the arm and two the beings were not identical to the human eye as Graves usually are well, they had a fucking boss Mm-hmm. One of them was a foot taller than the rest. He sat at about four feet That's races that's races that gets the grace

But this is why I thought they were tall grays No, this is what the boss technically was the tall gray that is that the one that she speaks to so the tall gray is still Only four feet tall. Yes That's a tall gray Okay, it's not a tall human. No, but this is why they always say that they were like the little people Yeah, Irish fame and a fairies in a folklore and they hidden people in Icelandic folklore Okay, well the one that was a foot taller from the rest instead of having two standard alien black eyes One of his eyes went up quickly into a slit and he said his name was Klaasga

It's actually pronounced Kwasga Okay, no no Kwasga Kwasga. No, no are no are no art. No, I don't want to be rude to this Kwasga You're getting your calm scraped you better be nice Because they will nick the tip. I'm sure they would Now you think that Betty would be losing her mind at just about this moment But she said that the aliens they had kind of an aura of friendliness. I think that's why we got as far as we did Yeah, Betty

She was not afraid. Yeah, because she had this thing in her mind, which is the comfort of faith I've heard of And he looked and these things become angels. Yeah, she her first thought these are angels and so she was like What do I do? Oh god first? Oh first impulse. Oh, I got strangers at my house first of all Oh, my way in my proper house dress, but her first impulse was like do you want something to eat? Yeah? Yeah, and then they're just like why is she putting angel wings on us? What is this a halo? Why is she doing this to us? She just straight up started being like, oh, you want food everybody wants food I'm not sure if this was recorded or not

But before the episode Henry said that this woman reminds you of your mother. Yes And now it's all coming back Because she went to the refrigerator and brought out like a big pile of beef How'd she know my favorite meal is just beef, but I don't really understand how moms have that It's like I never have food ready to cook when I show up in my mom's house She's just like my mom literally last time she like I made fresh corned beef And I was like, how did you just make this for you and dad? The thing was when she started cooking when Betty started cooking not Henry's mom the aliens told her quote

We cannot eat food unless it is burned Really? Yeah, so Betty just rolled with it. She started burning the beef. Well, you guessed I'm not gonna tell you how to do it I'm not gonna say here in America. Oh, this would be here in America We like our beef the medium rare Which is if you look at the beef, it's got to have a pink center in the middle of it They're like no, no, no, no, please we ask for it the way we wanted to have it Okay, burned beef. Yeah, so one burn one for cause go. All right All right

But when the smoke started rising from the pan the aliens started freaking out a little like they didn't they she misunderstood them So they said quote But that's not our kind of food. Our food is tried by fire knowledge tried by fire Do you have any food like that? Oh, they want to go camping. No, dude. No, they want knowledge Oh Knowledge. Yeah, that's their burnt. They call knowledge burnt beef No, dude, give me the burnt beef and everyone's like here's actual beef. Like no, give me a book You want hard one

True knowledge to expand their minds. That is all they need. They don't need all this poultry calories What about what more expansion do they need that there's much more to life than be able to walk through a door I'd love to walk through a door. I know your keys walk through a door You can you would use it for nefarious purposes as well I'd go into freezer. I'd go into the Arby's freezer section. I do a lot of like food digging Yes, for sure But a part of it is that it's fucking aliens tripping all the fucking time And I see and they fucking need that shit up in their head man last night. I've honestly I've brought some edibles with me

I was fucking popping in I watched this great show called thinking allowed by a psychiatrist Rhea jock valet and Terrence McKenna on whoo, that's kind of knowledge man if I the knowledge was food I was full but I had a bunch of pizza. So I was also physically very full think aloud like Take a left taking a right Well, no, dude. No, it was a plate. It was a tree. It was a car It was thinking allowed a l l o w e d But it sounds like thinking allowed like you're saying it's a pun. Oh, it's a pun. Yeah Yeah, well, everyone knows

Those are fun They are The statement about needing No knowledge tried by fire food tried by fire. I mean like remember betty. She's a fundamentalist christian You know, so she really only heard knowledge tried by fire So she led them to her living room where her family was still sitting frozen in suspended animation Yeah, and it's fucking all your family's frozen like in a fucking uh sound garden video as you walk in because you remember too Their reality is now into our reality. Take all this is if it's actually happening

Their constant tripping universe has just been folded on top of yours. So she's kind of tripping balls And she's like knowledge tried by fire The one book that could possibly be true Oh 24 7 she went in and she grabbed her daughter's bible off of the end table and she handed it to quasgar And in exchange quasgar handed her a little blue book And this is what betty said happened next the later put the bible in his hands And he waved his hand over it and other bibles appeared thicker than the original i'm like, oh wow That's wonderful. I'm impressive. Maybe a bigger print. Then he pasted to those beside him and they took the books and each one was spontaneous

They somehow flipped it paid by page and looked down each page was a pure luminous white and I was like, are you sure you don't want beef? Interesting well, you know, they say if aliens came down to earth it would destroy religion But I guess for betty it didn't it added to her religion. Yeah, she just completely interpreted it as christianity Now it is worth noting at this point that the andrezens claimed that that bible that she gave quasgar Which the daughter becky carried to sunday school every week. It was a very important book to her Never seen again. Yep. Oh What's important to know here is that betty was ultimately not the only person who participated in the hypnosis sessions

Even though every other family member wanted no part and any of these hypnosis sessions Any of this investigation her father was like truly mad because you try to get him involved because he was the one who he saw a bunch of Shit and he was like no, absolutely not. Well, in fact, he had said for decades. He's like, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about I have no idea. But then when she started really getting into it. He was like, I wish you never would have gotten into this Yeah, I remember it. Of course. I remember it haunts me every fucking day and I don't want to ever talk about it ever again Yeah, the missing bible Corresponded all with the goth phase that her daughter Went through well becky went through harder than a goth phase. She went through a i'm

Admitting to be abducted by aliens phase, which makes you something So becky came forward and said i'll also be a part of this because she regained consciousness So when she showed up she saw her family frozen She was like, oh, this is really scary to me and they're like, no We can release them at any time and they released becky for a second and she went like Oh, and then they shut her back down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and becky. She was 11 years old at the time She went through the hypnotic regression So when they spoke with her when the hypnotist put her under hypnosis and brought you know spoke with her

They spoke to an 11 year old Okay Now becky said that she remembered being allowed to look at the book and said that the first three pages were again Luminous white but all the writing and illustrations were incomprehensible like the one that was quote Sort of a wheel and inside were four things. Okay, you know, so it's she's 11 years old In the hypnotic regression. I know how crazy all this shit sounds. We're already here. We're already here I'm well aware how crazy all this shit sounds, but we're 11 year olds think wild stuff. I mean, yeah They're very susceptible to these things. Yeah, I was a horny little boy. I'm sure you are you're a horny old man, too

Well, finally though Betty started to realize the gravity of the situation she and her family were in She'd fearfully finally asked the aliens. What do you want? They told her that they come to help and asked if she would follow them She fucking believed them. That's the one thing I will say about aliens and when you get really deep into it It's not even that alien reductions are not even real You start asking questions and start something like why do we trust the aliens? Yeah, right? You want to ask for a lawyer? Always always. Yeah, absolutely and Betty kept asking more questions But all they would say was quote would you follow us?

So Betty drawing on her only Touchstone told them that she would follow them if they were of God And this is a little thing that I don't know if you guys knew about as she was following them She actually passed them. They're like, can you please slow down? We have very short legs And then it's sort of like when I walk with you Henry and everything's a waking nightmare for you Yes, and I have to grab on your fanny pack and hold on like you're a giant burrow Yeah, like I'm the car and you're you're marty mcfly on skateboard And when she asked them that if they were of God she said quote if you are here to help and are of God

I would follow But do not deceive me aliens Okay It's just fucking my mother man. It's just completely my mom being like. Oh, how dare you? I only go with members of the clergy. They told me do you go of God because you really didn't believe they're talking about and they're like Yeah, yeah, we're of God. Just yeah cut to your mother's driveway in Florida and it's like, yeah, man The name of our bike group is like God's army. So like yet totally come on down. It's like, okay, okay So they kept repeating the follow me phrase. So finally she said yes

She got in a single file line with the 80 aliens and together They all glided through the wooden door as if they were on skates Just as the aliens had come inside in the first place. So Betty was able to go through the door too Mm-hmm. Yeah, she joined their little conga line again another comparison of what is the part of the that is cute though Marcus, that is very cute He's a part of the thing that make up were very standard alien scenarios so far. She's traveling through solid objects Um, she's traveling through solid objects. She is um now about to enter a ship. Okay So when they all got to the backyard, she saw your pretty standard oval ufo on struts

And the investigators they asked betty how come nobody in the neighborhood saw it but apparently this was an area known for mist and fog And weather records showed it was indeed a misty foggy night. No, man. It's not the promise is that this again This is where we're getting you get in a wiggity territory That ship was for betty and betty alone when you show up Every one of these experiences is a handcrafted mixture of some sort of interdimensional either intelligence Some sort of natural spoke of the universe itself And you were just the receptor of that spoke, right and just slip But that's that is a tailor-made situation just for you. No one else is going to see that ufo

Yeah Is it possible that if you actually saw this in real life you just see this woman walking alone through her yard And then climbing up into the treehouse. Well, what? Maybe what does it look like if you see this? I don't know. I don't think you can. It's a dream state You can't see it. Well, once she was under the ship quasga raised his left hand and betty and the others were swooped into the ship After that Shit started getting real weird for betty andresen. Yes, okay

Now one of the many interesting things about this story is betty's drawings of her experiences a lot of them done under hypnosis The drawings they're very simple, but they're also very clear and very precise She was able to draw each room that she was taken into in the ufo And when all the drawings were put together by an engineer They did indeed coalesce into a reasonable approximation of a ship. I mean, it's not proof But it's interesting. It's interesting. Yeah, because again, I don't know if she necessarily Had the wherewithal to design this ship before talking to these people. No, no Now when they arrived on the ship Becky said she felt weightless and icky

And that her hands and legs felt like they were asleep Which is very common in ufo scenarios and quasga and the others left the room and left betty on her own Eventually two grays came and guided her to the center of the room Which turned out to be a transport tube leading down into another part of the ship That room seemed to be a decontamination room of sorts Okay, she walked to the center of the room where beams of light were flowing from the ceiling and when she asked what it was They said quote. It's just a cleansing thing That's the actual quote. It's just a cleansing thing. Okay, we have to remember again

When I had my out-of-body experience is tripping on mushrooms, right? I saw an entity in the back of my mind. They tried to explain things to me, right? Yeah, I was tripping fucking balls I don't know what the hell was going on, but there was a part of it that I can see It makes a weird sense. Yeah, you could see these things you have betty The idea of trying to like explain what all this shit is to you That's all that's a whole that's a sidebar that we don't got time for right like that's a whole shit I can't it's so like it's a cleansing thing. You're gonna get that It's just what it's gonna do. Don't worry about it fucking yada yada yada

Yeah, I would love to see you like to get out of body your soul out of body just the nightmare that it is to slog through all the lard Well, the things about this story too is that I do think that Having done hallucinogens is very helpful And understanding this story like if you've done hallucinations like I think you're a little more like oh Yeah, I remember that. Oh, you could you could talk about it as if we're stupid or crazy I mean, obviously you can but I believe that the psychedelic experiences I've had are just as real as some of the More physical experiences I've had. Yeah, absolutely. You fucking doubting Thomas's. I don't think there's a lot of doubting Thomas's out there There's a lot of believing Tom's

Now the cleansing it didn't hurt wasn't even hot but obviously They were getting her ready for something. Yeah next they asked her to change into a white one-piece garment Now like this took some convincing as Betty was a modest woman But eventually she agreed and that gave her all the privacy she needed. Okay. This must be this must be some kind of alien thing I don't know. I don't like to be rude to other cultures except for when Asian people make their food so spicy. Why is it gotta be so spicy? I don't know That is just your mother purely your mother

Then came what they'd been preparing her for They led her into a large brightly lit domed room with a blocky flat silver structure in the middle with controls and buttons and such On the side and before she could react she was swept up into the air and was levitated to the table Oh, it's like my wedding night. Oh, it's never been so romantic. Yep. When she landed she was paralyzed She could only lay back as the experiments began First came the standard needle up the notes, of course, but at the time this was not standard This became the standard. Yes. Yes. Yes. No when I say like standard and stuff like that Like this is one of the earliest one like Betty and Barney Hill was what five years before this

Yes, this was a the Betty and Barney Hill was the other big one It was really the first massive abduction tale where this is this was a follow-up And of course the needle up the nose was also used to lobotomize all housewives who wanted to leave their husbands in the 1950s Yeah, that's how you well, we'll think about how medicine used to be was just given women orgasms with machines Yeah, that would be awesome. There's a lot of like medicine is a history of just like with any luck this will work Nah, never mind Well, I mean one interesting thing about the entries and affair about the book is that this book was a new york times bestseller In 1977 or 70 or was it 79?

I don't know. I think it was I think it was 79 But either way late 70s. Uh, this was a new york times bestseller. So it's a very influential book extremely influential 1978 1970 god damn it. Okay. So 1978 Uh, but this book, you know when we say standard like Henry's very correct in saying that the ship became standard because before this The needle up the nose and you know the alien, you know the gray like kind of appearance was not Common it wasn't common knowledge and were there tv shows or movies that showed him in that way? Not really I mean the outer they the big thing about the Betty and Barney Hills They say that there was an outer limits episode on like a week before

Uh, the abduction that you know had weird looking aliens on it But as far as like the graze go the pear shaped head the slits and all that that was not common No, that was not common that got incorporated to pop culture later on like this was a uh at the time because you remember A lot of old aliens were viewed as they'd have big noses There was that type of alien and then there was just the straight up like old school old school Shit where it was a man in a weird costume Did it look just like a dude who said he was like from venus and always asking what time is it? Yeah, just described Humphrey Bogart. Yes

Well, Betty told investigators While she was under hypnosis that when the needle entered her left nostril she heard something like a membrane Break, oh, that's not good. Yeah, and the sensation was was both of pushing and penetration Oh go so much penetration Oh, Henry told me I hate it when they do the penetration. Yeah, I don't think that's good Now the another interesting thing about the hypnotism sessions is the two modes that the investigators used and speaking with betty And one betty was asked to speak as if she was observing like examining the memory But in the other mode she was experiencing the event all over again

So for example in the first betty would dreamily say I heard something break like a membrane or a veil or something Pretty calmly. Uh-huh, but in the second she would say quote Oh, oh Why do you have to put that up my nose? And besides the Henry Thomas that's a direct quote from the transcripts Wow And since these sessions would sometimes have to end in the middle of a particularly Juicy part of the story because betty gets so worked up the investigators would get a little antsy to hear the continuation in the next session

Yeah, so they jump right into the most intense part each time being like, okay, so the thing's going up your nose and she's like At the very top of it And this is a direct quote from Raymond Fowler writing in the Andriesen affair about the next hypnosis session to come After having to stop at the needle in the nose Our saturday hypnosis sessions had by now become quite routine that day However, we were so eager to get started that the customary rendezvous at a local pancake house and the drive to herald's offices Seemed like hurdles in a race Wait, hold on a second. You got to get carved up

Okay, so they were like we're gonna go talk about your abduction, but before we do that There's a double stack over here. You have to do you got to do okay interesting What are you gonna do? You're gonna make it through all this state Those are the kind of sugars your body needs to break down for the long haul questioning of a woman That is writhing around in a table under your complete control. Okay So when the hypnotism session began anew, they'd been sitting in anticipation of what would come next What with the needle up the nose and all sure and Betty did not disappoint. Okay She said that when they finally removed the needle the aliens

There was a little ball attached to the end and this is interesting because the ball wasn't present when the needle went in Yeah, this of course suggests this may not have been Betty's first rodeo Really? I remember my first rodeo. It's so dirty. I hated going there being the clowns. They're not funny They're they're always putting themselves in danger. I'm just like get out of the clown Right. I I totally agree and then bozo was just like this is all the work I can do now Can't laugh me worship me So now how big are we talking? We talking short snagering total recall when he dives it up there No, no, no pulls it out the way they describe it as a solid piece of fiber optic material a very very thin needle goes up

And then what came out was this little nubbin that seemed to have been up in her nose And they just said and they literally said like found it. Yeah So after the needle in the nose came out the needle into the belly button went out Uh-oh Betty said that the nose needle that just felt quote-unquote funny But the one into the belly button hurt like hell because when they inserted the needle They just started wiggling it around inside and so she said squirming around But then the aliens they rubbed their hands all over her and then she stops hurting anymore

Okay, like masseuses. Yeah. Good. Now. Let's hear another quote from the experiencing side while the needle thing was happening Oh Oh, he's pushing that again around Feeling things. Oh, I don't like this Yes, feels like he's going right around my stuff inside feeling it or something with that needle He's coming over and oh and he looks He looks different He's starting to take the thing out

Oh Oh Oh Are you having one? I'm having Many Oh my So, you know, as Henry said Kwaz got started waving his hands over taking away the pain and I know

That sounds a lot like new age bullshit But this is actually a phenomenon that happens a lot in abduction scenarios. It does pretty much in each one And in fact, there are over a dozen times in Betty's story when her story matches up with the stories of other C. E. Fours. Okay. Thank you for abbreviating and I actually really appreciate it because it's important to feel like we're doing science Close encounters for that's what it means. Now, we don't really have time to go point by point on all of the Similarities, but if you're interested all of it's laid out in the Andries and Affair And go read it. It's thick. Yeah, you may fall asleep driving while reading it Well, you shouldn't be driving like I knew but I'm an expert

Read and drive get a book on tape or something. No, no, I hate listening to voices. It makes me vote asleep Now to be totally transparent Betty herself freely admitted as far back as her first letter to J. Ellen Heineck That she did read a couple of books and articles on UFOs after her experience And that could contribute to a phenomenon known as cryptomnesia Which is when the subconscious mind stores information that comes back out as something that we perceive to be A completely original thought or memory like how robin williams did his entire comedy career by sort of sort of Accidentally remembering a bunch of other people's material and I don't mean to say anything bad against rob williams r.i.p But you know he was very creative that was a criticism

Yeah, but according to fowler some of the more subtle details in her story match up with unpublished at the time UFO accounts But infuriatingly he kept those details confidential so as to not compromise other investigations Uh, well, of course that falls under weird patient, weird doctor privilege. So that's actually a lot. Yes, but it's it's true You know again, we don't know. She did maybe incorporate some things. We don't know. We don't know. We have no clue what happened So after the needle was removed from Betty's stomach and the results were checked The aliens got to talking with each other across the room When they came back they told Betty that some of her parts were missing. Yeah, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she had some crucial lady parts gone. Yeah, she knew immediately what they meant because three years before

She'd had a hysterectomy after lucky number seven. Okay, obviously they've been checking her for fertility Or as they put it procreation. Yeah making suck suck They went in they well apparently, you know, again, what we're gonna find out As it always is what's the point of abduction? We people ask this all the time and it seems to be the common The common source and the output of abduction is supposed to be the hybrid program. Okay But you know, they continued anyway and for the big finale They lowered what Betty called a big eye thing that looked her up and down for a bit then raised back up After that, she was levitated across the room to the aliens and stood with them every time she gets levitated imagine

She's like, oh Oh, this is fun. I haven't had this much fun. I almost went in a hot air balloon ride, but my husband died They then left the room all together and Betty changed back into her regular clothes Now this is where not all but a lot of abduction scenarios in yeah, normally they get picked up They get fucking scooped they get poked and then they get the catch and release Yeah, yeah, it's like a travis remember travis walton with fire in the sky Sure, his whole abduction experience was just experimentation now. It's and it's done basically here. Yeah. Yeah, it's no this is not No, not now not this story. No, yes

But the andrezen abduction is one of the few in which the abductee was taken into Kind of sounds like an hallucinatory world like it's just mind boggling what this woman saw and Betty I mean she barely had the words to describe it, but she tried her best It's like when you're fighting scorpion in the new spider-man video game and he makes you hallucinate Sure, it's an incredible game. I hate so good. I hate pretty far into it. Yeah. Wow. I hate things about boys I don't like that spider-man. He's older. He's older. We talked about this on side stories. He's older in this Yeah, he's like he's in his mid 20s or so That's fine then. Yes, it's fine. And really the thing is about this

Even though Betty's experience is much weirder and more abstract than say the supposed abduction of Albert Bender from our Men in Black episodes For some reason. I actually find the more abstract experiences more believable between shock filly and Terrence McKenna They have a series of thought they and and Carl Jung actually wrote a book on UFOs that I'm going to be in getting into soon and they talk about this is a There's a folklore aspect to the alien Experience they are part of what she will now experience is something to me in my mind Is a series of riddles that she's supposed to figure out Terrence McKenna has a quote about UFOs that I find they're very interesting UFOs are a subconscious

obstacle to science it is a purposely created phenomena by our subconscious to turn us away from the rational towards the intuitive which essentially means Experience is like Betty's or supposed to be indicative and then go of this concept of like we want everything to be concrete Facts when everything to be like touchable. I can touch it with my hands. It's right here. It's provable It's right here. Kisses got big throbbing weird veins all over his lips, right? That's provable I can feel them. I squish them in there each one's a different bullet towards your death. Yep. Yep, right But I know that they can so I know this is real, but I know that somewhere that that's that there's supposed to be another

experience outside of this Yeah, UFOs in the alien scenario and the abduction scenario specifically are supposed to be a A thing that's supposed to jog us out or remember things are not always so fucking cut and dried. Interesting. You mentioned that Um, my right leg, that's the one with blood clots and I vision it. I envision it in my mind as a shotgun And it's leaning upwards. Cool. Yeah, isn't that sad? So let's get it a little bit Yeah, hey, that's doctor. That's what the doctor said. So so let's get into it After getting dressed betty was taken to a room with four clear glass or plastic chairs She couldn't quite tell which one. Okay. She sat down a transparent enclosure enveloped her body and aliens told her

She was about to be immersed in liquid. You know that these guys were like they got the bible This fucking bitch. She's fucking good. She gave us all the shit. She'd be like we're getting her the fucking goo chair Dude I mean, there's a big difference if they're plastic or or a really nice glass chair That's like are they walmart aliens or are they like really high macy's aliens? Yeah, I want a macy's alien They keep ushering her into these other rooms and the ufo is looking it wasn't that big from the outside They're putting it in this other place It was this area it had a circular table and two what it's what I would say it looked like movie theater

Seat rows that are very interesting shaped for humans. Like this is not like he brought up interesting in the books Like they're not it's not for them and it's for people. She sat down and in this cover that was glass hinged and Fitted on top of her body then sucked into it was like completely up against her skin and started film with goo Yeah, so they're so she's there in a wooden chair in a in a plastic chair And they're like okay come in aliens and all the aliens like Do-do-do and then they look at the chair and they're like, uh, oh God, and they try to climb it like a mountain

And then they can find it and then maybe the aliens are like, could we get alien chairs? Why do I have the human chairs? Well, this is maybe maybe they have specific ships Maybe they have maybe in their world there are places they're for aliens and this is a place that's for humans Okay So after the enclosure came down tubes connected into her mouth and nose so she can breathe as the fluid came from above It was like a grayish stuff started to trickle at first and then eventually became a torrent My mom all covered in goo The entire chair then began to vibrate

And then her body sat in perfect resonance with the fluid. Oh cool Then a thick syrup started flowing through her mouth tube. Oh, and this was Betty's reaction. Oh god It's about a spoonful or so and they're giving me through the tube and oh, it tastes sweet Oh, it tastes good. Oh Maybe she was just remembering eating at the pancake Right before but then it gets relaxing. Oh, so it's all filling her other mouth. Oh, uh, this feels good Oh, so relaxing

And it tastes It tasted good It was so sweet and thick sort of like a cough syrup. I'll stay in the chair Yeah, it doesn't sound that bad. It was theorized that the purpose behind this action was to protect Betty against the rigors of either space Or interdimensional travel. Who knows or it was just to cover some lady in goo Maybe maybe and then if she hadn't been protected she might have died which I'd imagine was something that the aliens learned through trial and error Yeah, we got smashed up against the side of the fucking UFO. It's like turning inside out Oh another oopsie. Yeah, so what will we tell the president now that we've taken his daughter?

So they're like again with any luck Uh, Aunt Jermima should work. Yeah, and then they just filled her with syrup But maybe that's the reason why they normally don't they don't take like because I think a lot of people like, um They're a little dick just real and you want to just send messages to America Wouldn't they take the president? But you know what it is You can't take somebody so high profile if you're just accidentally fucking kill them by accident by not filling the tubes, right? You gotta take people that could maybe go missing

I don't want to be like, you know, I don't want to dig into your accent there But I think that voice that you just did is the person telling you that aliens I would be like, well if they were real, wouldn't they just take the president now? I hear it is it? Yeah, well, yeah, if they were real, it wouldn't have made me think Sure, maybe you could believe in aliens, but also why don't I just go ahead and believe in God then? And it's like, excuse me, but I uh, it's my time of day when I have to go trade a couple of bitcoin shares So just uh, you can just wait for a second, and then I'll come back and then we'll talk about it I know if you cashed out of your bitcoin, if you haven't yet, it's going down

I'll tell you what though when I'm talking about aliens, it's like, hey Hey, thank you for joining me. You want a espresso? You want some wine? Very good. Let me tell you all about my pandemic theory of alien culture We'll take some whiskey instead So after what Betty perceived to be a relatively short period of time, the fluid drained, the enclosure opened And Betty opened her eyes to see that the figures who had abducted her were now wearing black hoods Very strange, very intense, and also it was weird for her to be like, and my clothes was so wet And I'm sitting in that cold area and I was like, will I dry? And they're like, oh, you will dry eventually

And she's just like, oh, but my boobies They have all this technology and they don't have a dryer Well, eventually she does get miraculously dry Yeah, okay, because they're air drying out of all this stuff like just go to go to a freaking sears I just don't want to see my mom all wet. Yeah Yeah, wet with goo So she's a little sticky and stuff. Oh, yeah nasty. Well, again, they asked her to follow They traveled by floating above a small black track is only about four feet wide through a tunnel

That looked as if it had been chipped out of stone passing openings for intersecting tunnels along the path Suddenly the tracks landed upward and Betty saw a shiny mirror like obstruction ahead Which actually sounded to me a lot like the magic mirror substance in the invisibles Which represents both god trapped in his own creation and an entrance into other dimensions I will say the graphic novel the invisibles must have been pretty easy to illustrate Oh, because uh, you know, they're invisible. You never do the reading And it's a comic book. No, I know. I know what it is. No, actually I know. I don't even know who I know who made it who enus

No, no, garth enus. No, that was he did preacher. I love preacher Which is great. Uh, no, I do know who I do know who do the invisibles who did it is bald man scottish Where's unglasses a lot? Yeah. Oh bono It was bono. I'm pretty sure honestly close. No, no No, no, no, no, no. Do you want me to compare Jacques filet to oh, I don't know Girard Depardieu. I literally will toss this table Exactly it was Grant Morrison. That's correct Well soon they passed through the magic mirror substance and Betty was met with a world Defined by an all-encompassing vibrating red light

Everything as far as the eyes could see from the sky to the ground was red. This is when she saw her first structures At first they looked like nothing more than nondescript square buildings But as she got closer she saw that some of the buildings were occupied at least on the outside This is what she said. There was land and they were buildings But there were no vegetable life just land in buildings and now we are passing. Oh boy We're coming to where there's some beings Direct what and these beings are they got two eyeballs and they got loads of them Oh, they're scary

And they have skinny arms and legs and kind of a full body and the eyes can move every which way and they can just climb Just like monkeys and he can climb up quickly and swiftly down and around and in and out of windows They're all over the place and then she saw a sign that said welcome to Nebraska She saw space lemurs. Yeah space Yeah Betty said the beings had two huge eyes that bittled and bobbled on stocks where their head should have been And the two eyes moved independently of each other. Yeah, it's cute. Yeah, she said she was also very scared of them Yeah, she was terrified of them because they're terrible. I mean they're space lemurs with gigantic eyes with no head

Yeah, you're a you're a woman who's never seen any of this shit Yeah, probably he's very scared by even just the idea of UFOs on the fucking television screen all of a sudden You've just been slipped with a goo. You're on a conveyor belt You're taken through a place where the aliens are scared of the red light They're wearing now already creepy, but now they're wearing black hoods Making you follow them through this area where there's space lemurs and you are just Trying not to like start punching people, right? I will say the space lemurs sound like they would be great characters in that wonderful animated series Oh, a real monster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was it crumb? Yeah

You want to yell this out? Yeah, pain in the ass. Yeah, it is man. You drop them. You're blind. You can't see what you're ordering on the seamless Well, she said when they went by the space lemurs, they stared at them, but they otherwise they didn't really react They then came to another reflective silver portal and when they passed through that one, they were met with a green world She said quote It's Beautiful here. Oh It's so beautiful here. Have you ever been to the french resort in disney?

I've never been to disney. It is just scrumptious to spare no spare no attention to detail Really? And we're still along the thing And now that we are in the green atmosphere. They're taking off those black hoods and I was like, oh, that must have been so hard And going along and it seems like mist or sea or something off to the side there beautiful And we're like on a narrow narrow passage of land and we're climbing across it and off to the side Henry thomas I see I don't know if they have fish or what it looks like a combination of a fish

and a bird And it seems like it's a hazel over in fog and that it's so light I can see it And we were going someplace. Okay, so she's seen a bunch of furbs She's you know, this is like if you drop my mom into a jg ballard scenario where it's like so otherworldly Like this is just the it's not just normal weird. Yeah, it's like extra weird So, yeah, it's weird. I can't imagine my mom who just discovered lemon drops the cocktail You're dropping her off in this fucking play. I'm like, she's gotta always be like, oh That's oh, you know, Henry thomas in UFOs. They have red and green worlds. I know mom. You've told me five times

Wow, and that's about the time they flew over a pyramid. Oh the one Betty saw had a head on top But even though she said it looked vaguely Egyptian. It wasn't familiar. This is how she described it It was just a regular head. It wasn't fat like the Sphinx. The Sphinx had a big fat face This had 11 cheeks, but it looked sort of feminine yet male It sounds like my mom tried to describe everyone in brooklyn. Yeah, exactly And she saw other structures as well She saw a big a large city in the distance with buildings and bridges and all that

But she couldn't make out anything else. Everything was just green until she came to the crystals And I I know crystals. That's a word that People including me usually tap out on crystals. What's wrong with crystals? Crystals are pain in the ass. What do you mean there are pain in the ass? It's crystal. I mean, it's I you know, we didn't get to go to what what is it Sonoma, Arizona? Sedona, Sedona, Arizona Yeah, yeah, it's an entire economy based on crystals. Sonoma's a car. Yeah, Sonoma is a car and it's also in california There was a there's a player if you watch hard knocks cleveland browns. They are they won against the jets They're one one and one. They got all the brackets built. Okay, but anyway

I am he's how I feel you must feel about the alien stuff They made the jets but he he made the team and he was a big believer in crystals and he said that they really helped him I do believe again, whatever you believe in that's the chaos magic of it if it works for you great Good work, whatever keys you into the subconscious enough, whatever puts you in a trance eight great But crystals for the large part or you can get him at michael's. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and people they they tend to It's a very big like scammy type of thing It can be it can be but it's all about again And the genuineness of the entire situation. So if you really do I don't want to malign crystal owners because I have crystals in my own home

Yeah, we all got crystals in our home. Yeah, it's fun to look at the sun through them. Yeah. Yeah prisms prisms prisms But what came next is actually very interesting in a psychedelic sense Betty said when she came to that point a blazing light appeared and slowly from that light a gigantic bird materialized And as she approached the bird betty got hot painfully hot as if she were entering an oven on full blast The bird she said looked like an eagle with a white head and tiny golden specks floating around her and they're like And suddenly a white life engulfed the bird brighter than before And when the light abated nothing was left, but a small fire and a pile of gray ash

I wish we could get an echo effect with multiple multiple cause and she finally found the food they love Actually, Henry, if you want to do that one more time, uh, I can do that. All right, do it And our listeners would have really enjoyed what I just did great great good good good good From the ashes rose a big fat gray worm It's cool. Can you not call me fat? I know I have a bit of a worm weight problem, but actually it's thick I can eat what I want I can live how I want and that's how it is because it's my world. You're just living in I agree That moment a booming disembodied voice started speaking to betty the voice whom betty came to call

The one told her that he had chosen her to show the world She asked if he was the lord god to which he cryptically replied I shall show you as time goes by if god is a huge worm. I am gonna be real No, the word god was not the worm god is not the word. I'll explain the I'll explain the worm in a bit Okay, you don't know man. You've never read book for a dude, right? That's true Now betty proclaimed her faith through all manner of praise gods and praise jesus is but the being the one Didn't really say anything overtly religious. He judoed it Yeah, she sat there and he so they were saying in the in the hip in the regressions in this there

She starts tears are streaming on her face and she's going praise jesus Praise jesus christ and all like she's going nuts Yeah, and they're what they're saying is that what it seems to be is the aliens kind of were like Yeah Yeah, I just rolled with it. Yeah, and the whole thing could easily be interpreted as Christian by someone who wants the experience to be religious Which is part of what makes this case so fascinating because she was genuine. This is not a bit Like she believed she was talking to angels messengers and that's a part of why this in the end will change her whole life

Yeah, and she never uses her experience as you know proof of god's existence because for betty the existence of god It's not a matter. There's no question about it It's a matter of fact and she doesn't need to prove it to any of us because one she's not a dick about her faith And two questions of existence just don't enter her mind That must be nice That must be really nice to be so sure of something just just for one thing in your life I'm not even like sure what my hair color is honestly. I couldn't tell I couldn't tell you You know, we there's a lot of discrepancy about my height

If there isn't a lot of discrepancy, the only discrepancy is between you and your imdb page You're 5 5 guess what man perception is reality Oh, whatever betty andreson had whether it was quote-unquote real or completely psychedelic in nature It got filtered through the lens of christianity so easily that really I mean you wonder if this whole thing was custom made I mean the most telling is this line right here I can release you but you must release yourself of that fear through my son That's the whole thing my son Interesting so that just you know plugs right into the jesus talk

Dude knew what to do. Yeah, because again, I think it's about it's taking something Obviously the shit is in in some way shape reform is happening in her mind Yes So whatever is happening he is pulling this stuff that is most dear to her And I think a part of it is that because of her genuine genuineness to believe Which is the reason why she got led on this if this is real again at this point We're just positing that this shit happens right because this is what this is where we're at in the episode But it's like travis walton the whole time. He's going

Every other person betty hill barniel They're fighting them at all times and so yeah, they dropped them off. She was just like oh, this is beautiful And they're like we'll give her the whole fucking tour. Let's get it. You do all this shit And we're gonna treat her so well We're gonna play a little hit from the great musician karmann And we're also gonna play a little dc talk when we try to get a little crazy What's karmann? That's a christian singer who is very popular and dc talk is a christian. Yeah. Yeah Why don't we just let's just

Mention jarza clay and complete jarza play went mainstream And my church growing up they were quite upset with jarza play and amy grant Because that song baby baby wasn't about an actual baby. It was about a boyfriend Now you might say that the betty is interpreting all this through the lens of christianity because that's what her subconscious mind Is feeding her when she's under hypnosis, which is a fair assumption. However What's most interesting here is the bird Yes Now for those of you who know your mythological animals

It was obviously a phoenix i.e. a bird that dies in flames and is reborn from the ashes Even the gray worm is a part of the phoenix mythology for going back millennia. Isn't that interesting? It is It's like the I didn't know that until I read about that But the phoenixes are uh, they turn into a little baby worm. Yeah, huh? But what you may not know and what I didn't know and it's almost certain that betty didn't know Is that the phoenix was actually quite prominent in early christian art and literature as a symbol of immortality and resurrection In fact, the phoenix was sometimes interchangeable with jesus christ in the early days When christians were just kind of making shit up as they went along to see what stuck you got to that's how that's how a brand starts

Yeah, yeah, you just make shit up until finally people glom on to something you're like Whoo, all right. Yeah, I mean putting out a show a week for seven years Yeah, I mean do you want the ascension to look like chris angel pulling off a stunt? Or do you want it to look like a phoenix running towards the sun? Yeah, exactly. I mean hell and they were still making shit I mean it took them what 1700 years to really nail down the devil Right. Yeah, man. And now and they still haven't nailed down the devil. Yeah, all right Because the devils because the nant on the va came and read to the whole fucking thing. Yeah Well furthermore

Betty's bird gave off the scent of frankincense and myrrh when it exploded and that little tidbit about the phoenix Was actually around long before the magi supposedly brought those spices to the birth of jesus, right? Again, this could be cryptomnesia, but you got to remember Betty told her story in 1977 I was able to gain all that knowledge after about 10 minutes of googling the entire the history of the world is at our fingertips Now betty's not going to run across this shit on wikipedia. No, you'd have to go look for this shit You'd have to know this you had to be a pemeram. Um, you'd have to be a semi scholar on ancient christian behavior Right and she's raising seven kids probably doesn't have all the time in the world to do the research that uh

That you specifically you mark as fortune and 40 hours a week to do research and you would almost need it Yeah, exactly. I mean this is archaic scholarly knowledge Betty was a fundamentalist christian and while yeah, she did spend a lot of time in church She wasn't really surrounded by you know, fucking theologians discussing the early lesser known symbols of christianity. She should have been You know what? But a part of it is the Jungian interpretation of all this. Yes. Is that in some way? Which is what I'm more all about I think it's very interesting. There is an archetypical. There's a there's something in fucking in her brain They just pulled it out

Yeah, and they just so because that's like when you go and you trip balls and you see the fucking Aztec lines And you see all that weird imagery and we all see the same shit That's a part of what she is some in some way shape or form plugged into something like The public unconscious. What is it the collective unconscious? Yeah, yeah I mean this sort of thing like it's it doesn't prove anything because by its very nature. All of this is unprovable She did go to a catholic. No a very christian church in boston So, you know, not boston northern massachusetts in northern massachusetts So every single ceremony every single church service ended with and now neil

We will pray for the boston celtics And then they would pray to beat the nicks who are actually good in the 70s and it was difficult for them to pull it off Yeah, but the connection and the possibility that this is all like still bumping around the collective unconsciousness like Thousands of years later like it's definitely interesting, but at the very least it's just fun to fucking think about sure. It's nice to think about Something that's nice. It's nice to think about something besides just fucking Murder. Yeah, and the horrible problems of the world. It's nice to think about other things This is the most serene abduction story we've ever covered It's kind of it is a nice little brain. It is. Yeah, it's nice

Especially after, you know, the fucking donner party that we just went to went through and some of the shit that we got coming up In the future, which is going to be I mean, halloween is going to be a month of uh, just Guys, we're going fucking real dark I'm very excited. All right. Yeah, and so after the experience with the bird and the one Betty was taken back through the path from when she came back to the starship and was once again placed in the transport chair Which is really interesting because when she came back, she really did go through she hit all the same points again Which is like a weird she somehow kept the structure going of the ship in her mind So they were like put this strap on she's like, I know how to do it. I've been here pretty much

Yes, yeah, but this time the feel-good syrup seemed to have a little more kick than the first time This is what she said about it. Oh, that feels good That feels real good. They're putting all that stuff all in it. It's getting low. I'm breathing through the tube It feels good and they're putting that. Oh, it's like a whirlpool on. Oh, this is so good This is so nice. You ever had oh, you know what they do the toys big potatoes at Applebee It's so it's decadent and I'm in bed when I have it, but it's no nice. They have it so good Yeah, it feels good and smooth. It's sweet like a syrup, but it doesn't make me feel sick because usually syrups They make me feel sick if I have too thick a syrup on a peeing keek or something that last line was a direct quote

really Syrups usually make her feel sick like too thick a syrup on pancake Of course, maybe they maybe they switched it up to a boysenberry or a raspberry syrup something like that Maybe even a marmalade. Mm-hmm. Well, finally, but let's pee in it, dude The way who's won't get busy to do the way you're the way you said maybe even a marmalade It's just like so full of like whimsy. Maybe it was even a marmalade. Maybe Have you been watching great british bake off now? Oh that show is great They're too nice to each other, but that's fine. Well, finally betty was on her way back home to massachusetts

But before she left the ship she had to say goodbye to quasga He reached up and put his hand put his hands on her shoulders. It's difficult It's like when me and me and natalie's first dance at our wedding. He looked her in the eyes and he said quote child You must forget for a while Then two feeler type things came out of his head above his eyes Kind of like a bee and he looked like a bee but like he wasn't but admittedly like this is when the story Goes from like interesting psychedelic experience to tedious dream explaining which nobody likes it goes even more so than when we've done I see. Yeah, we're giving you the cliff notes on this part. So we're in like the first half of the book it

But quasga after turning into the bee thing told her he was going to quote give her formulas And that love is the answer and we're all gonna destroy Each other if we don't change her ways and they have wonderful things to show us if we do change our ways Etc. Etc. It's the same shit most aliens tell us. They're not just gonna do anything I have a full on I believe they are interdimensional creatures that they are using us for a hybrid program Maybe but a part of it It's like they're just saying this shit because they always say this shit. It's in the script Yeah, they come in they're like and don't worry. Yeah, all of this was for a purpose

Yeah, and we're definitely we're gonna save humankind where they're just getting them sweet sweet eggs Yeah, and that's I think they're just trying to like make sure we don't all kill each other because if we kill each other That egg farm is closed for business. Oh, no eggs gotta get them comps Okay Then when quasga's face changed back the door opened and betty was led back into her house by three aliens Now it was impossible to tell if these were the same three that grabbed her But this time one of them told her his name. He was called Jew hop. Hey, it was good on Jew hop

Cool, man So when Jew hop and the others took her inside betty found that her family was still in a state of suspended Animation really they briefly let her father Wayno move for reasons unknown But everyone else was still frozen and it's the same fucked up shit. They wake them up and the guy goes like They put him back to sleep. He's like do you want us to do this to the family? Hey aliens, could I just move a little bit my underwear? It's just right up in there Oh, thank you So Jew hop took betty upstairs and tucked her in telling her that she must forget everything she was told and tell the time

Appointed oh and when betty awoke the next morning. She said she felt great She cooked the whole family a big pancake breakfast. See that's nice See that's what moms do moms because mother being a mother's a job 24 seven Yeah, but you know what it is is that like she said she woke up and heard the whole sound of the house being all like Like everybody's like playing and laughing and having a nice time And no one really wants to talk about like like no one knows what happens except for the father Yeah, I like she was like do you remember like a thing coming to house last night and he's like no No can do

Nope, absolutely not. Yeah, that's and this is a couple days before Christmas. Uh, no the this was uh, january 20th Oh, okay. Yeah, the car accident happened a couple days before Christmas. Yeah, okay, but that's not quite the end of the story It doesn't end with pancakes, huh? No, no, we we wish we wish Yeah, a part of the story comes from the hypnotism sessions themselves Now after the investigators have gone through the nuts and bolts of the story They figured they'd go a little deeper to see if they could glean some knowledge about the aliens themselves Deeper and deeper Deeper

Scary when they asked if jew hop or quasga had given her any predictions for the future She said yes, but fowler wrote That after she responded in the affirmative Something or someone appeared to take control of her speech Then it seemed as if either the aliens or betty's inborn fundamentalist faith truly took over Because betty started speaking a strange language Which could also just be the whole speaking in tongues thing. I don't know if she was from a speaking in tongues church I don't think she was evangelical. No, she's not an evangelical. She's fundamentalist, which is different

It probably is fundamentalist doesn't necessarily mean speaking in tongues. She loses it Whatever it is because she's in the thing she appears to have her body taken over Because every single time they try to get the like when they were trying to ask her like what did the book say? Because she still had the book for a number of days They were going to allow her to look through the book And so she had this book and as she was trying to go through it her whole body She's like, oh the the pins and needles are coming. Oh my hands feel so heavy. My hands and legs feel heavy huh

And this actually this is fowler's direct phonetic interpretation of what betty said Oh I don't know how they wrote all this down. They figured out all the letters in it. Yeah, now Oh, la ha, do you hear that? Hello, home, merry koto, true hall, etra, me hawk of thee, etra etra dindra, fickle lal Man Base 32, base 32 signal base 32 Yeah, base 32, base 32 signal base 32. I mean it does have the it does have the Uh, what is it the speaking and tongues feature of always putting ah at the end of it?

You guys all did it better than I did and uh in uh, you couldn't do it, right? I couldn't do it. I'm not gonna do a problem It was not I hate nonsense. Yeah. Yeah, that's my whole life And with betty like that's what after that came more weird nonsense words like curvature and sombleado and star siso Just start tumbling out of betty's mouth. But I mean if you think about it, you know from the collective unconsciousness perspective She kind of seemed to be just bobbing in and out of different consciousness. Yeah, she was being fucking weird. Yeah. Here's another one Circle the plane P la i n r count three and four count three and four counting three and four is very important Counting three and four in a one two three one two three four five six seven eight got a five through eight

That's four after four Ma'am, are you gonna order pancakes? Why am I standing here? Well after that the supposed aliens talked for a bit But all that came was a bunch of vague alien bullshit double speak that always comes under these circumstances But there were some interesting nuggets What I think is most interesting is when the investigators asked where the aliens had actually taken betty They said it was not a planet but a place

And furthermore betty was supposedly only gone for a night. These two things imply inner dimensional travel Rather than interplanetary, which I know is something that Henry's quite interested in. I'm quite interested in as well Well again about the essential nature of the psychedelic experience of the alien abduction if all of the to me This is just such an example of like the she got showed these gigantic capital s symbols These are very like like what the hell is all this supposed to mean like what where what is she trapped in? And it's not about that she went to fucking zine on it's about There's something about the connection of the reality that she experienced about whether or not She's insane or if we just think about something and we make it up technically. We can make it physical

Yeah, okay, and if you want to really go from a like if you really want to start bringing science into this whole thing They say that you know traveling between planets is impossible for any other species to travel to earth is pretty much impossible We're just too fucking far out here. We're in the boonies of the galaxy Oh, uh, but it would actually be easier for beings to travel from other dimensions Like we actually have science that proves that other dimensions exist Yep, and we they are gonna find elon musk's car one day when it goes through a black hole And they're gonna be like this population on earth is kind of de baggy He just needs to make one thing that he says

He's going to do come real throw it. Yeah, and also if he could uh stop drug testing his employees while Uh going on Joe Rogan and smoking weed himself. That would be great. Oh, does he truck test his employee? Yeah, he's a fucking hypocrite Yeah, yeah, elon musk is not the god king that everyone says he is next He would be if he could fucking figure out half the shit that he says he could figure out Then I'll be well be with him. Mm-hmm. Sure And there was also the matter of the blue book that the aliens left behind in exchange for the bible Now supposedly bet he had 10 days with the book following the abduction But when she looked at it she pretty much just saw like a bunch of indecipherable symbols and after 10 days it disappeared

Unless it went got downloaded into her fucking brain Yeah, no, but honestly when you do trip on shrooms and you're like I got some great ideas And you do you start writing in the next day you're just like cars why Cars wheels are like feet so cars are like people I remember writing in it. I found an old journal entry I had from doing mushrooms and it was me just being like Nobody understands grocking man, but I understand what was to grok. Yeah. Oh god. So stranger in a strange land people Yeah, that's how that's the only that's the things you could really understand grokking only when you're tripping

And then when you're not tripping anymore fucking goes away. I don't know what grokking is So apparently he doesn't grok it. Yeah. What the hell is grokking? I don't know man. You're just not grokking it, you know If you grok if you grok then you could grok what grok is You'd be grokking it if you were if you knew what grok was you'd already be way ahead of us Yeah, this is why it's like. Oh, we have a five-hour car ride from phoenix to la and everyone's like that must have been fun. This is all it is That's where the story ends for us for us for us But that's not where the story ended for betty and her daughter becky

Because after the andresin affair was published Raymond fowler wrote two more books featuring the family called the andresin affair phase two and the andresin legacy Well, she she adds a lot more to the legacy She went under regression a bunch of years later because afterwards she stopped doing Hypnotic regression because I guess her life went to shit. Yeah for a while and then when she went back into it She said that she'd been previously abducted and she'd built an entire Legacy of an abduction which is common when people are abduction, but her shit just started kind of going off the rails It really did. I mean it went from being like a cool psychedelic experience to like a new age romp

I like it's pretty likely that after the book was published. She just started being influenced by all these other stories from all These other new age people and that's when the crypt amnesia Really took hold because it's her stories are pretty fucking boilerplate after that most of it was from from my my My call my quote-unquote expert's opinion is that it comes from her marriage to bob luka Because she did find love at all this because after the abduction betty's marriage Did marriage deteriorated due to a quote-unquote marital problem, which is what people say that's shorthand for They're too into ufo's. We're not we're not close anymore. What's the legal term for batshit crazy? Can I file a divorce under that?

Apparently right after betty sent her letter to dr. Heineck the marital problem intensified which resulted in divorce non-joking there is some stories that she was beaten very badly by her husband. We don't know there's some of that and we Things just kind of this changed her life yet Then yeah that she was was she able to make some cash out of this did she get some coins? She sold the rights to her story the energizing affair was purchased by universal by universal But to be honest this is the part of where people say That people who uh go on the news talk about being abducted by aliens that they're always be opportunists looking for money

Honestly, the most she made is 15k really if that is the most she could have made with that I maybe she made other deals in terms of buying a life story That's pretty much like the top of it and then what's gonna happen is that it's a long life of being ridiculed totally Don't sell your story. Hold on to it. That's what we learned a long time ago. Oh, oh Absolutely, so after betty's hypnosis here. She moved to florida and got a job as a waitress at a dine She must have been a pip. Yeah, oh my god. I don't know if this is safe She loves pancakes more than the tag team new day from the wwe. I don't think we can trust her not to steal some batter I don't think this is good an alcoholic shouldn't be a bartender this pancake

Fiend probably doesn't need to be working at a diner Well, while she was working there She met a man named bob luka who had just happened to be abducted by aliens as well And that's how you that's a meet cute. Yeah, it's a meet cute But you know, what's really fun is that, you know, both of their stories ended up being really similar So they got married and they spent years on the alien circuit together happy in their shared alien experiences Oh, that's a great happy end. I'm gonna tell you right now. Don't listen to any of the bob the bob and betty luka Kosiko stuff. I nearly fell I fell asleep. Oh, it's boring. Yeah. How do you make this boring?

It's just droning. It's just the same story again and again. They try it out. They say the same story Well, I mean, that's what me and Henry were talking about a couple of days ago is that uh Talking about and writing about alien stuff is a blast so much fun. We both love doing it Alien research is fucking tedious. It makes your eyes cross Yeah After a while because you're just reading so many different accounts and things change a little bit and then The one thing about UFO culture at all times is that someone always has to add their own agenda Which is that part of it?

Then you're reading somebody essentially trying to sell you crystals or some kind of hat or like some kind of ration Kit. Yeah, I understand. I mean, I think I like it's like looking at an Ikea put a uh, What do you call those things a man a manual a manual or an Ikea bookshelf? Yeah That's a war on the american mind I know the sweetest. It's a war. It's a it's a it's a furniture war. Mm-hmm faster It's making us all fight with our girlfriend Dish My bum is on the swedish

I remember. Yeah, that's for the 35 year olds So no matter what really happened with betty andraison She believes her experiences wholeheartedly as does her daughter as does bob luka While everything that came after the original sessions. Oh, that's pretty iffy Betty andraison's original experience is nevertheless a fascinating study in the field of sober psychedelic experiences All right, there it is. I think she's saving money on shrooms saving money on acid Certainly jail time if she got arrested. Yeah, so that's good But you know what I did and then bob luka jr. Though did come out and say something along the lines

I think that bob bob luka senior was a bit of an alcoholic and when he'd black out That's when he'd say he got abducted by aliens. I don't know Use that as an excuse Because I just found out I cancelled spectrum cable While you're black out I had to go through my phone and I was like, yep talk to them Friday morning Um, unfortunately, I'm just gonna say I'm a bit of a crono knot. So, um, I was time-traveling at the time There's no uh, any way you have been telling me for a while that you've been wanting to cancel your spectrum cable It sounds like you just made a pretty snap decision

Do you have any spectrum cable? Bro, wake up. Bro, wake up. No, I was it was in minnesota You were in minnesota? No, I was at the vfw screaming on the phone making a business call like you do. I'm making a business call Spectrum cable is the worst cable never get it. Don't succumb to the pressure that I did with the flyer So you and Dave were talking about your your spectrum cable experience. No, I was waiting for them to come That was waiting for everyone to arrive Yeah, so you could tell me oh, I could watch so many channels

I'll tell you how many channels I need zero I need zero and then I also call chase bank five times Because they didn't have a chase branch in minnesota. Anyway, this is really boring, but yeah, that's what I did over the weekend Yeah, well, thank y'all very much for listening and thanks to everyone who helped make our washington dc show a sellout Awesome, and we've announced one show on our upcoming tour. We're coming to austin In november and we've got a couple more dates that we're about to announce So keep an eye out for that, but yeah, just google last podcast on the left austin. We're coming in early november I think it's the first thursday or the first thursday november

I think we're coming to austin and there was a glitch in the system. We are we are not yet announcing a show in houston Right, so that was a glitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that was that was a bit of a glitch Sorry for everybody who uh who got confused by that It's nothing to do with us. There's a lot of working parts out there. There's a lot of working parts out of our Controls. Yeah. Yeah, and you know and sorry we didn't get to do the uh the presales on austin for our patreon because We're actually a part of the moon tower festival for that one. So we can't really do presales for festivals. Oh Very cool. And of course next weekend. I believe it's next weekend. We got pig malion Yeah, we're just gonna be super fun and i'm doing a small little speaking thing at colver stockton college on tuesday

So that'll be like an hour of whatever. What are you gonna say? I'm talking about, you know picking yourself up up And everything's gonna be okay. Yeah, when you get knocked down You get up Back and back to back to back when you call spectrum. You don't take shit from these fucking chairs. I might bring that up So that should be a lot of fun And of course, thanks everyone who gives to our patreon If you feel like we deserve a little bit of cash for what we do here You can go give at patreon.com slash last podcast on the left. Thanks everyone who's given so far

You've of course changed our lives over the last couple years Yes, it's been wonderful. Well, I I wouldn't get it any other way because now I mean like I Unfortunately can't go back. Yeah. Um, and my life has changed in a way in which that in other parts of society I am uh, I'm I'm the anti of it persona nangrata Yeah, and I don't do and I don't good do good with the other normals. I don't good do good anymore Right, right. Well, I don't think you've changed a bit. Okay everyone. Thank you all so much for listening We love you. Hail yourself. Follow us on twitter with all the bullshit said lp on the left. Hail satan. Hail gene Like it was deletions. Hail me with all of your sweet goo covered bodies. Yeah, go eat some pancakes

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