Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 338: Murderous Possession - The Story of Michael Taylor

Episode Date: October 27, 2018

On today's episode, we cover the story of 31 year-old Englishman Michael Taylor, who, following a botched exorcism in 1974, committed a murder so brutal that it may as well have been done by the Devil. 

Hey there, Ben Kissel here for Last Podcast Network. I want to tell you about my show A. Blinken's Top Ad. For more than nine years, Marcus and I have strived to present you with the most accurate and honest political podcast out there. In these turbulent times, it's our intention to unite the country with an passion debate that reaches out to the rational Americans who find their voices more muffled every day. Every week I use my political science background, my experience running for office along with my lifelong passion to stand up for the downtrodden, the wrongfully accused and the invisible man and woman to bring you news like you haven't heard before. Let's face it, traditional

news has failed us. We promise to always tell you the truth the best we see it and I personally guarantee to not be swayed by hyper partisanship but be guided by facts. To listen, search A. Blinken's Top Ad on any podcast platform or go to lastpodcastnetwork.com and find it under shows. Hail yourselves, everyone. Now back to last podcast on the left. There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Father Marcus. See, yes, it has been, I believe, 10 years, 20 years since I've last confessed. Brings you to me, my child. Oh, I don't want to know this.

Jesus came to me last night but I don't think it was Jesus because it was an Indian man and he said to me, I'm not the devil and I was like, great, cool, cool. But then he told me to remove my pants. Father Marcus, and he told me to put my butt, forgive me, Father Marcus. You're forgiven. You're bought, please. On my wife's grandmother's wedding dress and I believe it was Jesus Christ even in the guise of a browner man than I expected. Yes. That wedding dress now looks like a zebra costume. All right, well, that's not good. It was not my fault. Possession, possession. Okay, well, this is the last podcast on the left. I am

Ben Kissel. That's Henry, you're Marcus Parks. That I am. No kidding. And then we have Henry Zabrowski over here. Yeah, I'm over here. Yeah, I know where you are. All right. You know what I'm doing? Yeah, I'm over here. We're finally getting spooky again. It feels good to be back in the pocket, to be back deep down in the pocket of ghosts and spectallarios. We got a bunch of stuff going on here today. This story is, well, it's new to me. Yeah. And it's quite interesting. It's the murderous possession, the Michael Taylor story. So one of the things that we really didn't get into with our West Memphis three series

was what we personally believed to be the real motivations and the circumstances behind the murders. And we're still not going to get into it. But it's the opinion of at least me and Henry that the way the boys were tied up was simple misdirection, something to make the murders look ritualistic. Now, before you start yelling and punching your computer screen, this is our opinion. This is what we do believe is a part of what we say is that we do believe that maybe it was done by a person of the dumber persuasion. Let's say the stepfathers of one of the children. We're not going to get deep into it. But a part of it is that they did that to sort of throw the trail off for detectives saying

that the reason why they were tied back was so it would look super spooky. And they did it in the most half ass dumb way possible. All right. Yeah, this is just this is a bit of a peek into the phone conversations that me and Henry have together. A peek into the phone. What about yelling? You meant the yelling and then me just being like, Marcus, I have to get off the phone. I'm in the middle of shit. Right. I think we got the yelling pretty well understood. Our reasoning is that the ligatures suggest that the West Memphis three child murders were lust killing, something that's more in line with like a Bundy. But none of the evidence that usually accompanies a lust murder was

present. So therefore, it stands to follow that the whole point was misdirection. Okay, of course, that's that's just our opinion. So we don't really need to argue about that. Whatever it takes to prove I'm right in a court of my law. Okay. So we figured this week in honor of Halloween, we'd give you a few stories, but one in particular about murders in which the perpetrators explicitly said that their murder or murders were infernally influenced. Like Kissel's need for beer is technically internally influenced. Infernally influenced means we're talking about the fucking devil. Yeah, again, the devil, though, but this is not suggestion of the devil's involvement in the crimes. We're talking about the devil

has shown up in the form of, I'm going to say the capital D devil like Anton LeVay knows and they talk about the the allegorical devil. We're talking about Beelzebub and his legion of demons who come to earth in order to create mayhem and McCallness. All right, there's no way that's not real. So murders blamed on demons or the devil, whether these murders are supernatural or not, are rare, but not quite as rare as you might think. Not as rare as they should be. In fact, we've had a fairly recent mass shooting here in America in which the perpetrators to the devil was behind the whole thing. And by the way, I totally forgot that this mass shooting even happened. Which one was it? Kalamazoo. Ah, the Kalamazoo.

The funniest named city one. Oh great. Horrible. Horrible. In February of 2016, an Uber driver named Jason Dalton shot and killed six people in the span of about five hours in Kalamazoo, Michigan, opening fire at a Kia dealership, a Burger King and the parking lot of the local cracker barrel. This is horrible. This is why if you got the Uber app, delete it, go to lift. Always. Lift is better. No, no, lift. They make you sit in the front seat and talk to you. They don't make you sit in the front seat. I guarantee you no Uber driver or lift driver looks at you and is like, hope he sits in the front. I guarantee you. They know entertainment is about to roll through. They know the circus just got here. But the, the lobby of a cracker

barrel is where you're supposed to be safe. Yeah, that's a sanctuary. Oh yeah. Well, this is the parking lot of the cracker barrel. That's also a sanctuary. Yeah, it was, I mean, what this guy, he took a couple of guns. It was people that were in their cars and he took guns on both sides and just started firing into the cars and killed four people at the cracker barrel. They just wanted to go out for a nice mid middle class dinner. Yeah. And this guy's a maniac out there. And the whole time this guy was doing this, he kept taking people on Uber rides, kept accepting fares and people like they kept giving him that nervous like, hey, you're not the killer, right? And he just said, no, nothing is more

convincing to the answer to the question of, well, you're not the killer, right? Then just the man staring forward going, no. No, I'm not. Like baby driver or, or Ryan Gosling and drive. Yeah. Was, was he now, how well did he do when it comes to, because I remember this story now, I don't think he really was driving too well. There was one person that said he was driving erratically and they jumped out of the car because he was driving so erratically. But after that, he did the murder of the Keeler Kia dealership and then kept taking fares and all of those people had no complaints. Five stars. Five stars. Five stars. Five stars. And with a tip option, you can give him $2 extra just to help him

get to his next murder point faster. But you got to keep that hustle flowing. So after Dalton was caught, he claimed that on the day of his spree, the Uber app on his phone had become something different altogether. He said, in place of the button that said accept fair, there was now a pentagram. Oh, yes. And every time Dalton pressed the accept button, the devil took over and forced him to kill. It's so crazy. So crazy. And by the end of that night, Dalton had fired 30 shots in three locations. And the answer to every question police asked him was simply that the devil had made him do it. I mean, it makes some sort of sense. Like if you want to believe because he did technically make him do it.

It also, if we do want to believe that there is a massive New World Order plan going on, what a very interesting and intense metal way of decreasing the surplus population by then sending evil Uber notices out. Very interesting thing about that. If you want to bring in the New World Order, Dalton said that the pentagram was actually the order of the eastern star, which is a Masonic symbol. All right. Well, I don't know if this is the NWO here. I don't think that it is. It's probably the Kalamazoo taxi organization. It's the taxi union that is messing with the Uber apps. And of course, this was great news for the taxi union. I don't think it is. I think this is good news for anyone. The taxi drivers

have been aligned for so long, Robert De Niro taxi drivers are thieves and they'll do anything to fool you. No, they have had a negative reputation because of Mr. De Niro for thrice decades and they deserve a little bit of respect. Very interesting, very interesting hills that you want to die on. So year before Dalton's murder spree, some idiot in South Carolina who legally changed his name from John Lawson to Pazuzu Algorad. Oh yeah, dude, got you. So that was Pazuzu. How do you spell that exactly, sir? Pazuzu claimed that an evil spirit had inhabited his body and that evil spirit made him kill a harmless widespread panic fan with his girlfriend Amber. Again, to all hippies everywhere, never

go to a second location. I know you're having fun right then and then you just took the poppers and so you got the head rush and so you feel like nothing go wrong, that the vibes of the panic are going to take you to nowhere but heaven, nowhere but places but you and your Birkenstocks could tap dance or do your weird wiggle, white people, cargo shorts dance that you do, but it will end up in your death. That is sad. And Pazuzu did have white guy Dred Locks in one of his mug shots. Have you seen, well, one of the more famous things about Pazuzu Algorad was that they released the policed video tour of his home. And if you watch it, I mean, he, whether it is fantasy or not that he believed that he

had been occupied by a demon, he definitely went to live the lifestyle. And I kind of appreciated almost where it's like he wore all these weird satanic warnings all over the walls, a lot of swats to cause a lot of juggalo material, which is really not the juggalo's fault. No, we can't malign the juggalo here. Absolutely not. We're big juggalo supporters here at Last Podcast on the left. You do you over there. That's what I always say. Yeah. And Pazuzu, I mean, he took it, he took it really far. Like he filed his own teeth into points, he forked his own tongue, he covered his face in a bunch of nonsensical ballpoint pen tattoos. And pretty much, I mean, it looked like the type of shit that your buddies draw

on your face when you pass out. Well, no, now he's becoming a fucking SoundCloud rapper. That's what's happening now. That's what's happening with the new generation. I heard that always tired. Well, one neighbor testified to Pazuzu's quote, unquote, position saying that they knew there was something wrong after they saw Pazuzu sacrifice in rabbits in his backyard. What about when he was coloring himself like he's a drunken Pollock? That was that was a part of it. Okay. Yeah. Oh, he was expressing himself. What about when he's filing his teeth down? I will say when someone starts filing their teeth down in front of you, a horrible thing to do on a plane, by the way. Yes, very inappropriate. Very inappropriate. Just because

of the sounds. I honestly, though, at the same time, that's what you want to do. Do that. I'm all about being fucking sure you want to look evil, look as evil as possible, but you don't have to. But I will say there's something we'll get into this because we're going to talk more and more about possession as a topic. And there's something to me about the idea of it being 50-50. So if you're willing to walk the walk, if you're willing to really go all the way and from a magical standpoint, when you build this sort of shrine to a demon that you believe is occupying your mind, in a way, you're making it real. In a way, you are making it real. But there are certain people who invite it in and use it as an excuse

in the case of Pizzuzu. And other people where the answer is not quite so clear cut, which we'll get to that guy later. Okay. Yeah, and another neighbor also said that she knew something was wrong with Pizzuzu when she saw Pizzuzu just take a big old shit on the floor of his own house. What do you mean? So we've got a shark-toothed guy here covered in ink and taken dumps in his living room. Yeah, take a big old dump right on the hardwood floor. Somewhere a producer at TLC got a spine tingle right down his back. It's just like, we've got to go immediately. I've got a perfect subject. What I was really searching for in my new home was an open concept bathroom where any room can be a bathroom. Any room

can be a bathroom if you really want it. But these stories aren't just limited to America. In 2013, a 25-year-old in Cumbria, England named John Jenkins stripped naked and split open the skulls of both his mother and his sister with an axe. Fuck yeah, shit. Holy fuck. Don't fuck yeah, that. It's not fuck yeah. It's not nice. It's not nice, but I mean, I... It's not fuck yeah. We have to break you of the habit of saying fuck yeah when people get murdered. I'm trying to in my daily life. I have to. I have to stop. Why doesn't the devil ever just help someone at Wendy's become a manager? Like, it seems like the devil is a little bit... He's not really working in people's favor

here. When we talk about that, there are many types of possession. There is beneficiary possessions as well. If you look at PKD and his experience with Valis and Beyond the Occult by Colin Wilson, they describe that as a beneficiary possession because it told them about his son's illness. It helped him clean up his whole life. He did that kind of shit that's happened again and again. And people... For the audience, PKD is Philip K. Dick. Yeah, I was about to clarify as well. I had to go through my Henry, like, little brain and just be like, what does PKD mean again? Go through the Henry glossary and pull out PKD.

Yeah, you understand. You're learning. Well, this guy, John Jenkins, he told multiple people that he was gonna kill someone and that Satan was behind it all. The night before, he killed his mother and his sister. He reportedly told his friends, quote, I am the devil and I need to confess. I don't know if he said it like that. I don't know how you say that. How do you say it? I'm the devil and I'm gonna confess. No, no, no. I am the devil and I need to confess. I'll tell you what, I'll get them right outside and I'll need to confess. What do you do if your friend says that to you? I mean, just laugh it off and keep on drinking again.

Sure. It's cool. It's almost as scary as your friend being like, I think I'm gonna become an Uber driver. No, it's their type of friends. We know these people. It's like, you know, they become a butcher's apprentice and then all of a sudden they're a woodsman apprentice and then all of a sudden they're working at an adult jungle gym because that happens in Brooklyn and then all of a sudden they're the devil and they need to confess. All right. Well, perhaps the most tragic of all of these was the case of Andrea Yates. In 2001, Yates drowned her five children in the bathtub of her Houston home and claimed that Satan was

to blame. This was a huge story. Gigantic story. Yeah. She said that Satan had taken control of her soul and since Satan was the dominating influence in her life, her children would naturally be infected. She believed that if she didn't do something drastic, her children would grow up to be serial killers and street walkers. Oh my goodness. And since she nor anyone else would ever be able to get rid of Satan, in her mind, the only choice was to kill the children, which would do the double duty of saving them from a life of sin and misery and earning Andrea herself a devil killing execution all in one fell swoop. Oh my.

It's not you. It's me. That's what this is all about. It comes all the way back to that. Andrea Yates, we're going to have to do a deeper dive on eventually because that story is very, very compelling. But there's something about that, too, because it's the missionary aspect of it that happens in a lot of these cases, especially because we will bring it up again and again. Possession is a really interesting way to make yourself feel very important because we were talking last night, Jackie and I at Halloween Horror Nights. We were talking about gangstalking and we're talking about how scary gangstalking is. But in the end, it's like such an egotistical way to go insane, because it's about dozens

of people came together just to fuck with you. Right. You know, I mean, where it's something like this, too, where possession brings all the eyeballs back on mommy when mommy's been taking care of these kids for so long. And then she believes something inside of her is turning them into demons, but they got to go not her. And by the way, we are being gangstocked by all the CCTV CCTV cameras everywhere. We're getting the Kiki Poutikis around here. We know what's happening out there. We're being watched. Now, these cases, they really aren't all that hard to explain. I mean, Yates and Dalton are obviously mentally ill. Jenkins was mentally ill. Plus, he'd been abusing alcohol, acid and lead. And Pazuzu was a

schizophrenic with a terrible upbringing who wouldn't take his meds. You say it was mostly the acid. I don't think it was the BLs that really drove him over to become the devil. BLs can be a bad idea. Yeah, they can. They can drive you to be the devil. I'm playing Red Dead Rejection right now. And I gotta say, all the BLs do is make you be able to camp out when it's cold. That's you. That's you. It's not like anyone who drinks BLs has never committed a heinous act. But my father used to go and I would, I imagine my father did a solid baker's dozen of BLs a night and then he'd become home and become an amateur interior designer and move the furniture around my house in a way that scared my family. The

acid, I probably would have made my father scarier, but it's intermittent. Yeah. Yeah, I think half an hour on half an hour off. Your dad was taking some shots of whiskey. I'm not saying whiskey won't do it. Yeah, whiskey will also do it. But don't sit there and act like BLs, Bud Lights, for the uninitiated. If you bring out your bin glossary. Okay. The Bud Light, the only thing that will happen is you'll end up in a Buffalo Wild Wings having a great time watching a college team that's division two that you didn't even know you wanted to root for until you sit down and then you're really, you support, you're supporting the Wyoming Cowboys all of a sudden. Back to demons. Well, the case in which we'll be

spending the majority of our time on today is not quite as simple as all the ones that we just talked about, because today we'll be spending our time telling the story of Michael Taylor. Now, remember, possession has been a part of the human experience for a really long time. Back to just the oracle days and the idea that we would take on a possessed state. That was a part of the idea of speaking in tongues, talking to a form of spirit guides, so it's an ancient part of our existence, which is very interesting. And I don't know why. And we'll go into further too when we get into exorcism, about how their pairing of possession and exorcism also became the first forms of psychotherapy, which it's

very interesting to see go all the way back. The idea that first they were equating everything to devils being in our bodies, and eventually they grew to saying, oh, these are mental illnesses. And now we're coming all the way back around to saying, yes, they are devils, they are here, and they must be exorcists. The only good side effect of all of that was the orgasms. When doctors were just like, we're going to give you an orgasm, that should cure everything. This is true growing up. Possessions were 100% real. We used to watch borderline what seemed to be snuff films, but they were not. They were given to us by the church, and they were all grainy and stuff like that. Almost like the autopsy footage

that Fox showed that one program. Yeah, the alien autopsy. We used to believe that it was real growing up, which made the exorcist a hell of a documentary. Yeah, definitely. So 1974, 31-year-old Michael Taylor of Osset, West Yorkshire, England committed a murder that was so ferocious and brutal that many believed that the only explanation was true demonic influence. But that was mostly because Michael Taylor had just returned home from his own exorcism. And then the curb your enthusiasm music comes in. But before we get into the story itself, let's acknowledge our main source today for the Michael Taylor story, the Sussex Devils by Mark Heal. And I got a lot of information

from Beyond the Occult by Colin Wilson, which is another must have book for the student of the occult. Colin Wilson does such a good breakdown of sort of the psychic as undiscovered science activity version of possession. He has a couple of good chapters on possession in this book. Now there are a ton of different versions of the story online and in various books, but it seems like Heal's version is the most consistent and reliable. Plus Dude used to play support for Gary Newman. So that's who we're going to go with today. Okay. He was the one to do the bump of the bump. Honestly, me, Marcus and our friend Sarah Richard are the only people I know that

are direct actual super fans of Gary Newman. Like I am a gigantic Gary Newman fan. Yeah, sure. Why wouldn't you be? Yeah, I'm sure there's also our friend Andy Org is also a gigantic Gary Newman fan. We can name all four fans. We can do this all episode long. So unlike most people who are involved in possessions and exorcisms, Michael Taylor was not a particularly religious man prior to the events of fall 1974. Now he did live in a highly religious town called Osset in Yorkshire, which Yorkshire is pretty much, it's like England's version of the American South. Very agricultural, very agricultural, very religious. But neither Michael nor his

wife nor their five children ever attended church, nor were they even quote unquote spiritual. But they were around it. And they were around the lifestyle of the church because it seems to be in England from what I understand, it's kind of sort of similar Anglican is similar to sort of Lutheran where it's way more about like the hanging out than it is about the actual mass. I'm not I'm speaking out of my ass. But it seems that I think that I will from what I've read, they always talk about normal and being a prior to being being being proper and shit. Lutherans are pretty chill. Protestants are intense. Yeah, Catholics are somewhere in the middle. Anglican are the most intense. No, they're not as intense

as the Protestants. What do you mean, Protestant? You mean like Baptists? I'm talking straight up people who don't do any of the wine is is grape juice. Oh, yes, yes. Catholics will don't like have no Catholic fish fries on Friday, for example, everyone just gets hammered and eats a bunch of fish and thinks they're being pious. Catholic is a Catholic is a romantic slash terrifying version of Christianity, because you really are it's the consummation of the flesh. It's him up there with the with the Magdalene shrouded in fucking like her gossamer webs. Jesus screaming as his side is pierced, and you have a man fumbling nervous because you're just the sweetest precious little redheaded boy you seen all day. I will

say great. If you want to go to a mass, the stations of the cross mass is actually pretty fun. It's horrifying. Yeah. So it's a good it's a good story. Well, Michael Taylor was actually said to be the very definition of mild mannered pretty much just like boring, quiet British dad and a loving marriage raising five kids and a little poodle. But that's not to say that Michael didn't have problems. Everybody's got problems. See, England in the 70s was pretty piss poor place to live because a lot of the country was out of work. There was a huge economic depression. And even some of the people who did have jobs, they could only work. They actually like reduced it made a law that you had to have a three

day work week. And because of chronic back pain, Michael, who is a butcher by trade, had an even harder time finding work than most. And because he had a hard time finding work and because his back was constantly killing him, Michael was prone to bouts of depression. That'll see him. Maybe you may be away from me. Fix your baby pretty good minute. Is that all right, my wife? I want you holding up this pig side. I'm laying my back right here on the couch. And I'll tack it upwards. I'll take it upwards with my clave attention. Oh, I'm getting blood all over my mouth. I'm going to put over me all over my cap. No, that's not good. But that back pain really does cause depression.

Sean Michaels, that's why he had to retire back pain. And he said he lost his smile. Yeah, that was sad. He did. He said he lost his smile. I just have this horrifying vision of Sean Michaels with the mouth like from the Twilight Zone movie where there's no it's just flash colored with no lips. Honestly. And it's him like searching for his smile and a bunch of bushes. The ladies would still love him. By the way, Roman Rantz has leukemia. It came back. So we're thinking about your Roman thinking about your Roman. Okay. Well, Michael Taylor's depression was noticed by a neighbor named Barbara Wardman. And Wardman figured that. Of course it was. You know Barbara Wardman. She knows everybody in that entire

block. She knows when they're breathing. I couldn't help but have listened to every single thing your family's ever done through your very paper thin walls. And I'm going to tell you exactly what you need. And it's the power of Christ. That's what she said. She said they need a good old fashioned helping of Jesus H Christ and that pick them right up out of the doldrums. But she also knew that the Taylor's found church to be a little uncomfortable while with all the rituals and such. Because the Anglican church, like it's an often, I mean, it was a kind of a split from the Catholic church. So they do have somewhat of the pomp and circumstance, just not as much. Okay. They don't have confession

and all that. They like cake. But Barbara had what she thought was a clever little back door to satisfying spirituality. Yikes. That sounds Catholic to me. Anyway, that's all inside jokes. There always is. There always is a little loophole in this way to get that spirituality in there in a different way. Well, Barbara had just begun to attend a small Christian fellowship group that was meeting in homes around Osset. And she figured that this was just the thing to lift Michael Taylor out of his depression. Okay. Now, this group did not have an official name. But had Michael Taylor not done what he eventually did, it is possible that this group could have blossomed into a full grown cult by the end of the decade.

Really? This is why if you were a potential cult leader, and I do believe this, that's why they start small and you do the frog and the water bit where you slowly turn up the temperature, you can't have somebody in there who's spotlight hungry from the very beginning because they'll ruin the whole build. Right. Absolutely not. Well, the reason why this could have turned into a full grown cult was because it was led by a magnetic 21 year old blonde named Marie Robinson, who supposedly had the healing touch and was gaining followers of all ages at an alarming rate. Now, lady cult leaders, they are out there, man. Yeah. What do you think are the main differences between a female cult leader and a male cult leader?

It doesn't seem like they have the same sort of final conclusion or final solution for an end. Absolutely not. See, that's the thing is what a lot of people don't realize is that female cult leaders like female serial killers are much more successful than their male counterparts, Scientology being the obvious exception. But the reason why the ladies take it to the next level is the reason why female serial killers don't get caught. It's all under the radar and it's much more subtle. Okay. And because of this, female led cults have a much better chance of ending in vast riches rather than wide scale death. That's what you want. They become goop. They learn how to flip it into a website, a lifestyle website. Like Nexium

was kind of the same way without Nexium would not have reached the the amount of time it existed without the women that were in charge of that group. But I think the fall was because of Rainier himself. Again, it's always the fucking dudes because we don't we have no impulse control where it's like a Marie Robinson. She knows exactly the gentle way. She can talk everybody into loving arms of Christ with a little touch of the knee, a little peck of the lip, a little bit of a petite four. That's what that's what they like. They're little tiny little teacakes and she's sweet as a pie. I don't like you doing that accident with that mustache. That is confusing. Oh, yikes. Well, for an example of a female cult

leader. Okay, Michael Taylor's leader, Marie Robinson was a direct spiritual descendant of Amy Semple McPherson, who founded the four square church here in America back in the 20s. Okay, four square services are highly theatrical and participatory. Checking in. Yep. Focusing on speaking and tongues and faith healing. It's pretty much an offshoot of the Pentecostal church, but with one important distinction. Amy McPherson was in charge. And at the height of her fame, she was just as well known in America as Babe Ruth. Yeah, then she would also make the same rounds with Babe Ruth to the Children's Hospital, get them a little nip so whiskey so that they could sleep better. Yeah, that probably would have

helped him back then. This whole faith healing thing, we used to go to the church that did all the faith healing. People had real problems like MS and stuff. And it never worked. No, they kept on going back. They should have gone to the doctor, I think. I mean, Amy and her followers, they were so successful throughout the decades that I could drive less than 10 miles north, south, east or west from the house where I grew up. And I'd hit a small town with the four square church. Really? Rochester had one, Weiner had one, Haskell had one, Dock City had one, Monday, Monday had one, Monday and Weiner had one. Henry, can you believe that? Oh, Monday and Weiner both had four square churches. Can

you believe that? Weiner got the church. And the amazing thing is like Weiner had less than 200 people and they still had a four square church. It's just so sad that your town didn't. No, Rochester did. Oh, Rochester did. Yeah, I just didn't, I didn't grow up in town. I grew up seven miles outside of town. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And that's like, you know, Weiner was one way, Rochester was another way, Dock City was over there, Haskell was over there. And by the way, we have a listener out in Monday. So, hey, how you doing? Oh, hey, how are you doing? Our single listener in Monday. How's the, how is the coming go? Monday, it's spelled with, it's Monday, but it's spelled with a U and it's pronounced

Monday. I hate Mondays. They don't, they don't have any t-shirts that are specific. Well, it could be kind of fun. That would be great. That's how you bump up the name. You gotta bump it up. No, but then that's the thing is that you gotta get the town that's the rival of Monday to say, I hate Mondays. Uh, yeah. The flumpers. Yeah, you get the gory to do that. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Even though it seems a little ridiculous to imagine British people speaking in tongues, I think it's possible that Marie Robinson could have accomplished something similar to Amy McPherson had it not been for the road bump of Michael Taylor. Okay. I do declare a ramp of Rumpel, a more a more snaggadaggy. Oh, this is simply

embarrassing. All I could think of was just rambi-pambi-dambi, rambi-dambi-dambi, rambi-bambi-dambi. This is the last acceptable racism that can exist. Either way, in 1974, the few people that Marie had gathered were already all in behind her and the Taylors were primed to join the flock. See, unlike the stuffy Anglican church that the Taylors had already rejected, this group, they all smiled and they laughed and they talked throughout their meetings. You know, they practiced the kind of Christianity that makes you feel good. It's a cool church. It's a cool church. Yeah, and especially when, yeah, because actually- I hate fucking cool church. I hate it so much. But for a prime example of that, what's her name? Marie Anderson.

She regularly described herself as just another Jesus freak. Uh-oh. Oh, yeah. But I can see how it gets people in. You go through it stuffy. Michael's an older man. He's looking for a new lease on life. He's been- he's kind of half the dude that he remembered himself being because of the pain he's constantly in. And he walked into this place and it's like sunshine. And at the center of it is Marie. And maybe sometimes Marie doesn't wear a bra because she's just kind of natural. Like, you don't know. She loves the tambourine. Yeah. That's the thing. And then kids growing up, when they can rebel by going to cool church, but then they're still going to church. So their parents are still happy. And that's the thing, man,

is that by the end of Michael and Christine's first visit, Michael was already speaking in tongues with the best of them. Oh, one visit. One version that I read about this visit on the internet concerning that night said that Marie Robinson called upon the congregation to see if anyone needed healing. As we said, Michael suffered from debilitating back pain. So he volunteered. He figured, fuck it, let's give it a shot. Yeah, man, fucking fools rip that band-aid off right here. Let's give it a go. Let's rip it up. Let's see what happens here. And so he started walking to the front. And Marie, she started walking towards Michael, but she stopped instead at an old lady named Mavis Smith, who was just sitting there weeping

in her seat. So Marie stopped, knelt, and started speaking in tongues at Mavis because that was part of her healing rituals. Then to everyone's surprise, Michael Taylor dropped to his knees out of nowhere and started doing the same. Yeah, so they're both talking in tongues with this old lady who's just sitting there crying and crying. Man, that sounds fun. And even though not a goddamn thing was done about Michael's back pain, by the time he and his wife left at the end of the night, they had become total converts. And pretty soon they were hosting the fellowship meetings in their own home. I'm sure their children were so happy when they came back totally different. Absolutely. Because you know when

your parents get new friends, it's like my mom's in the middle, she found a new spiritual group and they always come around and it's always just this, because if my mom gets, we'll like, we'll find a new spiritual group. And then when they come in, they're always like, it's so wonderful. Your energy is exactly as I imagined it. And then they like touch my face, they touch my elbows, and they're like, great. All right, so this next year we'll get the new group, but it'll be the same thing. You're like, you are just a fountain of light. Yeah, I don't think they've met you. But honestly, though, you have been maligning your parents for a long time. We got to meet them at the wedding. Wonderful. They're wonderful

people. Wonderful. Yeah. And that's how it always is. No, they were just great. Your father had an energy. Your father was great. He told me a great story about his hat blowing off in the middle of the winter. He told you the hat story. You told me the hat story. I got the hat story too. Yeah, that's why you moved away from New York. You never told us the father's hat story. Because it's his story. Okay. But I actually wanted to ask you a serious question, Kessel. So you came from the same environment. Yeah. When people were speaking in tongues, we've joked about this in the past. But when you're watching a whole room of people snap into it, do you really want to join in? Is there anything you watch it

where you see all these people pop off and you're like, I want to be a part of this energy? For some reason, I always had in my head people love to lean in and I wanted to be part of the congregation. So we're talking our church was about 200, 250 people, pretty healthy size for the small town that I grew up in. So you could see people just slowly fall and roll in with it because you get all the positive reinforcement. I got kicked out of Sunday school because I wouldn't speak in tongues because quite frankly, I wasn't good at improv. And so it was always like really it taught me a lot about the cult of personality and how much you can get people to do anything. The power of suggestion. Yeah, I mean, I went

to I went to one. I will say this, watching my dad do it with his like he's still kind of a German accent. It was just I was like, dad, you just yelling in German. Yeah, I was like, you're you're more rational than this, but they leaned into they still do it. Yeah, I mean, I went to a four square service when I was in high school. Me and my buddy Josh went and it freaked us out because it was like it was a youth centric service. They invited like all the kids to come. It was the middle of the summer. And you know, in this old woman, the the four square priestess, she was laying her hands on people we'd known our entire lives. We just knew him as just regular people. All of a sudden, these kids,

they're crying, they're shaking, they're flopping around on the fucking floor and me, my buddy Josh is looking at each other and go, we need to leave now. Well, I was always I always felt very reassured because when my friends would sleep over on Saturday, we'd go to church on Sunday and they would all look at me like, what the fuck? And I'm like, this is what I've been saying. It's so creepy, dude. Yeah, I told Marcus this story before the show. I went to get my hand to get my head to do the lay on hands thing. Yeah. For God knows what, I was like maybe 11 years old. The pastor just pushed me over and I fall down the people catch you and I open my eyes. Everyone else has their eyes closed and they're shaking.

And I'm looking right up this girl's skirt. Yeah, I love this. So I immediately shut my eyes again. I was like, what is this? Yeah, yeah, because imagine her look down as you just going, we like thumbs up. It changes church forever. We did look at each other. I was just like, what? And she's like, I don't know. The Catholic Church works on silence. Yes. And kneeling. Yeah. Yeah. And also the Baptist church that I went to for the regular Baptist church that also worked on mostly silence and silence and sleep a lot. But the Methodist church that we ended up going to when I was in high school is quite wonderful. Okay. But you could see how Michael Taylor, like this was very intoxicating. Yeah. Like

you walk into this thing. This is just the, this is Sister Act two. Yeah. You walk into that church and all of a sudden there you're like, you got zip in your step and you're got a new group of people and Marie's looking better and better every week. And she's paying a lot more attention to you each week. Every minute you spend with her is like, you're the only one she cares about. Yeah. Cause Marie, just like Amy McPherson was pretty cute. I mean, she wasn't hot, but you know, she was cute. But unlike Amy, Marie had an element of danger that made her sexy as well. Uh-oh. See, one thing that's somewhat obvious to me about Marie Robinson is that spirituality and power over others turned her on. Oh my

God, she's sitting on a full tea kettle up there watching them did fall down on their knees. She's just full of soup. Oh my goodness. But it wasn't the peace and love part of Christianity that made Marie hot. Marie liked to court the dark side. And she was a big fan of attending exorcisms, which weren't quite as rare as you might think, considering how they were all in a highly religious town in a time of economic depression. Sure. Now we're not talking Catholic exorcisms here. These were Protestant exorcisms, specifically Anglican, meaning they were done under the umbrella of the church of England, which normally, oh, a bound possessed person is in a bed and then they leave scones at the

other end of the bed so that the demon comes to me because they are no English person can resist a scon. Oh, absolutely not. Now, if you're in the middle of an exorcism and it's time for tea, do you break? Uh, we're going to answer that question later. Great. However, Protestants don't like to call it exorcism. They prefer the word deliverance as in deliver us from evil because it kind of softens the blow of the whole operation makes it a little less scary, a little less weird. But the whole point is for that. It is scary. It is fun. Just whatever. You don't understand packaging. That's fine. From what I can tell, though, the only differences between the two is that Catholics use Latin and throw holy water from

afar while the Protestants prefer using English and prefer the laying of hands. And now Cool Church actually uses super soakers, which is true. Kind of fun. When I ended up watching a bunch of Bob Larson exorcisms again, and his method is the man is screaming being held and then you just slap him on the forehead with the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. He, Benny Hinn, they just beat up people. Yeah. It was horrible. For those of you who don't know, the practice of hand laying is exactly what it sounds like. A person with the healing touch will lay their hands on the afflicted, thereby channeling the spirit of Jesus Christ into the person in question, thereby healing them. And that is a basis in Scripture. Yeah. Because that's

what Jesus Christ did. Jesus Christ went and some of one of the full of the first stories of a part of his ministry was exercising demons from people. And he'd go and stick his thumbs on their eyes and play with their mouth and shit. They go, I'm fixing you. I'm fixing you, bro. Well, it seemed to work, I guess. Well, the Anglicans, much like the Catholics, have a full set of guidelines for performing their version of exorcism, which those guidelines, not so coincidentally, meticulously updated in 1975 in the year following the Michael Taylor exorcism. They did an update, huh? They did a bit of an update. Interesting. Yeah. It needed a spruce up after what happened. Well, in these guidelines, it stated, among

other things, that no exorcisms should be done alone, clear lines of accountability should be drawn at all times. And everyone involved must be covered by adequate insurance. It's like what should be done when you audition for a movie now. Yes. So God basically just changed the terms and the terms of agreement. Yeah. Interesting. Well, according to an interview with a modern English deliverance minister done by the Telegraph in 2015, anyone who wants to perform an exorcism these days has to attend a four day long compulsory training course. I don't want to go so bad. Yeah. That's four days of talking about the devil. Yeah. And then lunch is fun because you're mixing with all these people and you're talking about

the devil and you're being like, how many times have you seen the devil? And it's like, I've seen the devil four times. I mean, like, cool. Salisbury steaks good. Well, they say that the main focus of this seminar is to tell if the person in question is properly possessed or just mentally ill. And they say they can differentiate between the two by making sure the possessed in question checks off three boxes. The person must demonstrate superhuman strength. They must have a knowledge of a language unknown to them prior to the possession. And they must have knowledge that was gained through supernatural means. As in, they know personal facts about the people in the room that should be impossible for

them to know. Okay. All of these are cool abilities if it also didn't involve you masturbating with the crucifix in front of your parents. Absolutely not. Interesting. Now, the act of deliverance, according to the Anglican church, is only supposed to be done after the case has been examined and approved by a bishop. But it seems like an Osset West Yorkshire in 1974, nobody was playing by the rules. Oh my gosh. It was real fast and loose. So they did it amateur styling. Okay. This was like an open mic of an exorcism. And I think a lot of it had to do with they think that Marie just felt she had the touch. She could do it. Yeah. So this is like when the UFC first began and they're like, there's

no weight classes. How do you win? Punch him in the balls. Punch him in the balls. Yeah. Punch him in the balls. So that's the kind of phase that they're in right now. Pretty much. Yeah. It's not too long before Michael Taylor fell off the deep end, the fellowship group attempted a non-sanctioned exorcism in Michael and Christine's home led by Marie Robinson. I'd watch the pay-per-view. I would watch that. Oh yes. Non-sanctioned. That sounds really cool. Yeah. The Mavis Smith, the same woman whom Michael had spoken in tongues towards on his first night, she'd fallen deeper into depression. So one night as she told everyone of the group about the shit she was going through, Marie decided to perform an impromptu

exorcism right there in the Taylor's living room. Whoa. How about this? How about this for you? You want me to flip you a wig here? We could do the exorcism right now. What? What did I just say? You're like, no shit! No shit! We're gonna do the exorcism right fucking now! That's crazy. Whoa, shit! Yeah, just spring that on people like that. Needless to say, things did not work out well. Oh. Marie approached the old woman by yelling at her in tongues and laying her hands. And Mavis, yep, she totally played her part. She was doing all the violent thrashing. She was growling, doing everything that was expected of her. But finally though, they just called the whole thing off. They just called it off?

They just said, it's a way, like, this isn't working. Let's call it a wash. And from what I can tell, Mavis Smith was pretty much just left to suffer while the fellowship group just moved on to something else. I've still got a dog keeping in me. I'm still half a dog. Poor Mavis, half a dog, Mavis. Here we go, listen, I know, I know you're still half a dog and you're very upset about it, but here's a five dollar discount coupon to Mackers. Forget yourself a burger. That's actually very nice. See later on, it was said in the inquest into the murderer that the reason why this group was ultimately so dangerous was because they were neurotics feeding neuroses to other neurotics,

making whatever underlying mental problems that these people might have had just that much worse. Yikes. However, what is interesting about exorcism is that had these people known what they were doing, or if they had any training whatsoever in the field of mental health, this might have actually helped. See, some people with mental disorders actually respond quite well to exorcisms done over weeks or months if they believe in it, just like people respond to psychotherapy in much the same way. It's an interesting phenomenon, but that means it puts the onus on the therapist and shit like that, that if you have a really, really intense Christian or someone who's a religious person who does believe they're

being occupied demon, sometimes it really helps to just exercise them and give them what they want. Yeah, the difference is that in psychotherapy, you talk to a licensed therapist once a week for about an hour, you know about your feelings, your thoughts, your emotions, while in exorcism, you scream and you gnash your teeth while a priest fucking yells at you. This guy that I talk to every now and again, he keeps on trying to, he's mining. He's mining me. Mining? He's asking questions. Yeah, it's called a therapist. It's called you paid to go see a therapist. Yeah, yeah. I know what he's trying to do. Yeah. But mining you for what? Information. About for what purpose? Why am I the way that I am? Now I'm

talking about. Yeah, dude, it's not a police interrogation. It's just your therapist. It's an interrogation. Just give me my medication, please, sir. Well, while what therapy sounds reasonable. Okay. And exorcism sounds crazy. All right. It might just be a case of different strokes for different folks. One paper published in Psychology Today actually argued that if a person truly believes that they are possessed, and we're talking about the person who is possessed believes they're possessed. We're not saying that the people on the like parents believing that their, you know, children are possessed by a gay demon. We're not talking about that type of situation. We're talking about. Those are the fun demons. Yeah, honestly,

that would be really nice to just have that happen to me once in my life. It would be nice to be possessed by a gay demon. That's what I'm talking about. Well, we're talking about people who truly believe that they themselves are possessed by demons. This paper suggested that there might not be anything wrong with using their belief system as an aid for treatment. Essentially using exorcism as a placebo. Interesting. But Marie Robinson was not a trained professional. See, just like with psychotherapy, if you don't know what you're doing, you can easily make things far worse than if you just left it alone. I see. And this is where possession is a community story. It's something about the vibe she's setting

up that I think that's either it's either one or the other. Like you could say she's perpetuating something that's fake, which is if you want to immediately say that sure. Or you can say she's fostering an environment where where they talk about a possession. It's a lot of times if it were going to happen, it would happen when someone's at a weak point. It would happen when someone is at either a physical weak point, spiritual slash mental weak point, depressed, throwing stuff where essentially you you have eased up the borders, your psychic borders to something that could come in and fuck with your mind. You're looking for any kind of help you can get. Yeah. And we're not necessarily saying that, you know,

when you loosen up those psychic borders, we're not necessarily talking about the Christian devil or anything like that. We're not necessarily talking about religious devil. You know, we're I mean, we have some interesting conversations on the collective unconsciousness, I would say demonic, the concept of demonic possession, which is the idea, which is a thing that started with I believe the shadow world that young was talking about the these concept that maybe there are if there are intelligences that come much like ghosts, because when you read about ghost activity, beyond the occult is a good breakdown of it. It's very again, similar to alien abductions, you get paralyzed, you get you can sometimes move to another space,

you could do all this kind of you have the same kind of weird physical reactions that maybe there's something that's like a demonic, which is D. A. I. M. O. N. I. C. I believe, or D. A. E. D. A. M. O. N. I. C. 11 year old Henry Zabrowski. That was not the question we asked you at the National Spelling Bee. The word is apple tree. But part of it is that they did that. It's not just a Judeo Christian version of possession that there are other intelligences that can jump in and a part of it. It's like maybe it's a version of borderline personalities or maybe it's something else. Maybe it's different fractions of our mind that essentially are so different from our main consciousness that they are

like other intelligences. Yeah, it's all it gets very complicated. Yeah. And it could be the, you know, exerter possession or something like that is something breaks in a person's mind. Something comes in from the collective unconscious and that's why people can suddenly speak languages that they've never heard before. All right. And it essentially something breaks in their mind and it's too much. They get too much in. And of course there's no scientific basis behind that. But you know what? I always say it, fun to think about. Fun to think about and those are definitely words. We know that. We know that. Well Marie, she was just kind of making up all this shit as she went along. And she was playing with forces that were

far more dangerous than she realized. And I'm not even talking about supernatural forces. I'm just talking about human beings. But it wouldn't be long before Marie would find out first and just what she was fucking with here. Uh-oh. Now after the failed exorcism, some of the shine of the fellowship group starting to wear off for Christine Taylor. That's Michael Taylor's wife because the whole experience freaked her out enough to snap her out of the good feeling wave that had swept up both her and her husband. She's got to get a W here. She's got to channel her inner Aaron Rodgers, tell everyone to relax and got to start winning. Mm-hmm. That may be why Christine started to notice that

her husband was much more interested in Marie Robinson than Jesus Christ. Uh-oh. And it seemed like Marie was doing her best to encourage it. This is much worse than a demonic possession having your wife speculate that you like somebody more than her. I would rather be possessed by every single demon in the history of demons. Well Christine walked in more than once to find her husband who had been nothing but loving and faithful throughout their marriage prior to this meeting. Uh-oh. She'd find him with his hands on Christine's shoulders and his eyes fixed solely on Marie saying this was all under the guise of quote unquote prayer. I don't know about that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Then Michael and Marie started meeting up

for private rituals in which they'd stay up all night together just making the sign of the cross at each other because they were convinced that the full moon would bring evil every time it hung in the sky. So they needed to protect each other from that. Okay. Her concerns are bad. I'll tell you something Marie. These nights have been so special with you. I know the moon is evil. Yes, the moon is evil. But never look up at the moon and think that that moon, it looks like one half of a great big giant. But yes, I do. Kiss me under the milky twilightly me. And they just hold each other's hands and they go fuck the devil. Fuck the devil. Fuck the devil. Oh, it's got a romantic there. Oh yeah.

Well pretty much everyone in the group was well aware of the sexual tension between Michael and Marie. Well now how is Michael going to pull, he's a father of what, five? Five. Yeah. But he's not dead man. Yeah. Just because he's a father with kids doesn't mean he doesn't feel his passions. Yeah. She doesn't mean he doesn't just because he has five children doesn't mean he can't abandon them. No, I understand. I understand that. But this is a 21-year-old aspiring cult leader. This guy's got to be one. He's 41. He's not that much older than that. All right. Was he, I mean, I don't, I don't, I think he was one of, he looks like, he kind of looked like a major Briggs from Twin Peaks. Sure. He was one of

those 31-year-old guys that looks like he's 45. Right. Yeah. That'll do it. You mean cool guy. Yeah, cool guy. Well yeah, pretty much everyone in the group was well aware of the sexual tension between Michael and Marie. But Michael, he just kind of brushed it off. He'd often say to the group in front of his wife that he loved Marie with a Christian love, a love that could hurt no one. That means you're, you're accessible. Someone splashes a, just buckets of blood like you're Carrie on top of you. I could just see a priest doing that with a, a ulcer boy again. It'd be like, this is a Christian love. Yeah. It's disgusted. Now meanwhile, Michael was withdrawing from his family completely. He was acting irritable.

He was lashing out at tiny shit and he was spending more and more time alone. Hmm. So one night, Christine decided that she'd had enough. Yeah. And she called out both Marie and her husband at a fellowship meeting being held at the family home. Honestly. Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, there's the best fellowship group I have ever been fucking apart of guys. This is fucking sweet. There is definitely like a couple looking at each other being This is getting good. It's fine. This is finally happening.

I told you we should keep going. Check it, this is great. Now some say that Christine straight out accused Michael and Marie of infidelity, but I think Mark Heel's version of events is probably closer to the truth, if only because it is much more awkward and much more human than a dramatic accusation.

Okay. So after Christine brought up the up till then unspoken sexual tension in front of the whole group, she suggested that Michael and Marie should go alone in a room upstairs with everyone else waiting outside and they should resolve what was going on between them once and for all.

Well, that's not a good solution. But you just straight up, because you can see Michael just being like, oh, are you serious? So we go upstairs, alone, me and Marie here, alone. Yeah, the both of us. And we resolve our sexual tension upstairs. Yeah, seems like a right, fine idea, I don't know.

That's a trick. This turned out to be another bad idea. Yeah. According to Marie, as soon as the door was closed, Michael went in for a kiss. See, Michael, he most likely thought that this was the beginning of a sexy new life with a blonde 10 years younger than him

and he'd be able to leave his boring, unemployed with five kids' life behind him. Oh. But that wasn't the game that Marie was playing. Really? Definitely not. What? See, she understood that sex appeal

was an important part of what she was doing. But the point of her little cult, unlike cults led by males, was not sex. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, Marie only wanted power, or at least that's what it seems like. So when Michael made his move,

she gently let him down and told him, you should go back to your wife. Oh. All right, boy. Oh, listen, six pence done the richer. I thought that it was gonna be you and me forever living on a lily pad. Oh.

We're gonna live on a lily pad with you. Now, first, Michael accepted and they hashed it out for a few more minutes. And then the two of them, like they asked both Christina, the rest of the congregation, like come on upstairs, come on, we figured it out. But instead of just kind of downplaying

this extremely embarrassing situation. Right. Where he could have come on so like, yeah, we talked and yeah, we kind of see what you guys are saying. So we're just gonna. I realize that this is entirely inappropriate. Yes.

And I have a family and she's my church leader. Yes, exactly. His reaction should have been like, you know, that makes sense. God, I got that. Okay, that works. Yeah, but instead of that, Michael blew it out. He came out and he said, a miracle has happened.

We have both overcome our passions. And of course, everybody was like, I don't know if that's what happened. He's up there. He's just being like, and what's important to remember is if you give up love to Jesus Christ, if you give it up to him,

he will fix it and make sure you ain't horny for your priest anymore. You just out here, you think, you know what, he's got like a full, like boner in his jeans. We don't know if he had a boner in his jeans. Well, we don't know. Who knows?

So his miracle or what this miracle was supposedly is that a 21-year-old was no longer attracted to a 31-year-old father or five who had a wife. That was the miracle that they had both overcome their passions. It's the easiest miracle God has ever had to pull off. Yeah. If you lower the bars for miracles,

it's just like, oh wow, what a miracle. I got three sips left in my LaCroix. It's amazing, God is real. Wow. And no one bought it. But the mood just started to kind of settle into a quiet awkwardness. Something changed in Michael Taylor.

Uh-oh. Suddenly, the mild-mannered family man who had developed an unwanted crush on his fellowship leader just kind of left. And what replaced him, as Marie later described to the police, was something bestial and inhuman. Upon seeing the sudden change in Michael's eyes, Marie fell back on her old standby

and just started screaming at him in tongues. But to her surprise, Michael did the same. La-la-la-la-la-la-la. We've got ourselves the tongues. La-la-la-la-la-la-la. La-la-la-la-la-la-la. Yeah. And until now, like this is all goofy shit.

Shit's about to get real serious here. Oh gosh. Cause think about this, right? This very awkward thing has happened. You're all trying to figure out a way to do all sitting in the room together. And you can just see Michael like making frowns. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden, in the middle of her being like, we're not horny for each other anymore, Marie starts going, La-la-la-la-la-la-la. I'm like, this is fucking weird shit. Yeah. I mean, you're weird. He's like, it's silence.

His face drops and she just starts screaming at him in nonsense. He starts screaming back at her nonsense. And he later said that an evil force took over and that he suddenly had this vision of Marie standing in front of him naked. And when he looked down, he was naked as well. Then he blacked out.

What Michael missed was a full on physical assault. He slapped Marie, then tried ripping her apart, started pulling her hair and he's screaming in tongues as the rest of the prayer group, including his wife, it's trying to hold him back, trying to pull him off. And Marie, she's just cowering in the corner. She's just saying, Jesus, over and over and over again.

She's trying to bend off the attacks the best she could until finally, Michael was pulled away. Michael came to his senses and the police were called, but no charges were filed and everyone just went home. How what do you do back at the house? I don't know. What does Christine say to the kids when it comes? They were at Michael and Christine's house.

So everyone else is left. Never do the shit in your house. You gotta go, yeah, that's really awkward. Like when a couple has a fight in front of you but this is a lot worse than that even. Okay, time for us to go home. Got it, go. No, no, dinner isn't over yet.

I made a creme brulee. Okay, well, of course this part of the story is pretty simple to figure out. Man develops a crush on a girl, girl rejects man, man reacts like a childish animal because he doesn't get what he wants. And as such, you know, we are by no means excusing Michael Taylor's behavior here.

It's hard to believe that Michael Taylor would have reacted like this had Marie Robinson been leading a Bible study group where they all just sat in a folding chair circle calmly discussing scripture. See, when Marie Robinson introduced exorcism and demons into the group, she opened up a dangerous fucking door

as this was obviously a group of highly suggestible people looking for someone to tell them what to believe. And when Marie introduced the concept of demons inhibitions that may have prevented Michael Taylor from acting like this were suddenly subject to the supernatural. And he, just like a lot of people in this world who commit terrible acts,

he could now blame it all on the devil. Then to make matters worse, Marie showed up on Michael Taylor's doorstep the morning after the attack to tell him that she forgave him for what he'd done because he hadn't been in control, which completely confirmed that it was not Michael but the devil who actually did it.

And then can you imagine being Christine Taylor? This woman fucking shows back up after all of this shit and just like, just get the fuck out of here. We're done. We're done with this shit. Yeah, cause that's a Christine Taylor. So she was, she had had enough of this shit. And I think that Christine and Michael

had quite a long discussion after the prayer group had left that night. Wouldn't wanna be in there. Tell me, Michael, I got a fun little question for you. Princess but the devil now? No. All right. You've been by the devil now?

Can you tell me again? I wanna see it. I wanna see it again. Can you tell me, look my eyes. Are you possessed by the devil right now? No. So we're gonna go watch American Horror Story. We're gonna catch up on the new season.

Can we just go back to doing that, please? Yes. Oh, that's not so bad. Haunting on Hill House, by the way. Very good television show if you wanna binge that. Very good. I would recommend it as well. But yeah, so Christine Taylor,

like she just told Marie Robinson, like you need to get out of here. You need to get out of here. You need to leave us alone and never come back. Okay. But even though Christine Taylor was trying to minimize the impact of Marie Robinson, the damage had already been done.

And there were still other people in town who are about to make it a whole lot worse. Why don't the people ever make it better? Is that possible that they could do that? Yeah, I know, man. We're bad at it. I see. So following the incident with Marie,

Michael Taylor had a complete break from reality. First, he destroyed all the crosses and religious books in his home, reacting violently towards anything religious. After that, he started hanging around outside his house, acting erratically and telling his neighbors that he'd seen the devil. Uh-oh.

Hey, hey, come on, baby. Doin' Phil, how you doin'? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lawn's lookin' great. Yeah. I saw the devil yesterday. Yep. All right.

I could do a cartwheel too. Whoa! Is that fun? I was like, I'm throwin' french fries in the grass. I don't even know where I got the french fries from. I took them out of a garage can. In England, they call them chips. Isn't that wild?

Oh! Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And since this was a small town, word of Michael's behavior, including the night that he attacked Marie, reached the priest in charge at St. Thomas. That priest was Reverend Peter Vincent,

who was a known exorcist in the Anglican church who'd been performing deliverances for years on anyone whom he felt needed one. That is a co-wink-a-dink. Look at that. A little bit. And when he heard about what happened and what was still happening with Michael,

Reverend Vincent became convinced that a demon was on the loose. So, he and his wife took a trip over to the Taylor house. But when they got there, they found that Michael had flipped the whole thing. Now, Michael was saying that Marie had tried to seduce him. Uh-oh.

In front of his wife. And in addition to that, Marie was actually a closet Satanist. What? And Reverend Vincent believed every word. And that belief was reinforced by his wife, who absolutely despised Marie Robinson and everything she stood for.

Well, I mean, honestly, I wonder if his wife was like, you better just call her a Satanist immediately and denounce this woman. I mean, who knows? Maybe it was a dual plot. Yeah, I don't know, man. Well, both of them firmly believed

that Marie had sicked a demon on Michael. Now, as Mark Heel points out in the Sussex Devils, and I think this is important to remember here, before all this happened, Michael Taylor didn't even go to church. All this shit happened in the span of about two months. Now, is that a normal time 31 years old if you are like a schizophrenic or something like that?

Would that be a norm? I thought it was the early 20s. It's much, much before that. This guy was not a schizophrenic. Okay. I do not believe, personally, that he was a schizophrenic at all because schizophrenia shows up in late teens, early 20s,

and he didn't show any signs before that. He had intermittent depression, and even then it wasn't necessarily clinical depression. It was more conditional depression. Okay. And this guy, after never going to church before this, he was now becoming convinced that a Satanist had planted a demon inside his soul.

Oh, God. Don't eat any of the food at the potluck. And it might have a demon seed in it. But the thing was, at this point, Michael was at a crossroads. See, the Taylors, they were ready to go on a little holiday to try to clear their mind and return to the normal life they'd enjoyed before they met Marie Robinson

and her little group. Nothing like a carousel to just make you not horny for your priesthood. Yeah, absolutely. But Reverend Vincent, he had other plans. Oh, no. See, there wasn't a chance that he'd abide a demon in his own backyard.

So when he heard that the Taylors were planning on letting it all go, Vincent got a neighbor to convince them otherwise. And that neighbor was the same one who had brought them into Marie Robinson's group in the first place. It was Bob. Oh, hello there.

Haven't seen me in a while, haven't I? You know, you flush your toilets a lot because I can hear through the walls. I heard there's a demon in there. And I've been talking to your priest and we are, look at me. You need to get your ass into an ecstasy. What about Barb? I mean, come on.

What about Barb? What about Barb? So rather than just letting them get back to their lives, Barbara Wardman convinced Michael and Christine Taylor to go visit Reverend Vincent at St. Thomas's Church on October 5th, 1974, without really telling them what they had planned. Uh-oh.

We're making spaghetti and meatballs? You gotta come by. It's Friday. It's gonna be fun. It'll be fun. They did a surprise exorcism? Yes. I don't know.

Dammit. Got to. Very few things that should be surprised. Maybe a surprise baby shower. The person knows they're pregnant, theoretically, it's a surprise birthday. Yeah, you know it's your birthday. But okay, it's still in the realm of a possibility.

A surprise exorcism is one of the most horrifying things like, just imagine going to like Marcus, come on over for a WrestleMania, but there's no wrestling on. It's just all of us. And we're just like, sit down. Oh, no, no, honestly, it'd be kind of cool. Cause I'd jump right in.

Yeah. I didn't mean to go, bend it back, bend it back. Your mother sucks cocks and hail. Your mother sucks cocks and hail. My mom's still alive. Well, Benson, he'd come ready as well. He assembled a whole exorcism team,

calling over a Methodist husband and wife exorcism duo named Raymond and Peggy from the next town over. This is great. Yeah. They got in and Peggy, man. They got, they got fanny packs. They're fully ready for the doll filled with all of their nooks and sundries for their exorcism.

Well, Benson's wife joined in as well and they rounded it all out with a dude named Don James as an assistant. Hey, I'm Don. Hey, me? I don't do anything. I got a couple of dozen, got a couple of dozen seltzers here.

Got some, do you guys want any snacks or anything? I made a kale salad. I don't know. I'm Don. Again, anything you need, just let me know. So they've assembled some sort of Avengers super troop here. Yeah. Of spiritual leaders, I guess.

Yep. So when the tailors showed up that night, the group sprung the trap. This was not just a friendly meeting. This was an exorcism. Hold on here, guys. Now, Michael immediately reacted by throwing his T in the reverence face.

Then he kicked the reverence cat and then he punched him in the face as well. If you throw your T in England, that's a felony. Honestly, that's an attempted murder because they keep that T at like 290 degrees. That's why they have to sip it. Yeah. So the team grabbed Michael, tied him up,

and laid him down on some floor cushions in an office in the church and waited for midnight to come. Why did you schedule this for nine? If you wanted this to be a midnight thing, you could have had his come at 11.30 because now I'm just struggling here. I'm going to be struggling for two and a half hours. You got me all made.

Yeah. And then Don is like, at what point does this become kidnapping everyone? Well, it was their professional opinion that there was an enormous evil emanated from Michael. And that evil was most likely because, unbeknownst to Michael, Marie had somehow pledged him to Satan. Oh, of course, of course.

So starting at midnight, the exorcism team took turns drawing the demons out from Michael Taylor. They made him confess to sins he had never committed. And when he confessed to such sins, they shoved crosses in his mouth. Wow, work every time. Then they took the last cross that Michael owned, a wooden crucifix he wore as a necklace, and they burned it

because they said that it had become infected by Satan. That was my cross. Please stop burning my things. I'm ready to stop being a devil now. I'm ready to stop. No, unfortunately, your couch. We've also got to burn that. That has been infested.

Please leave my things alone. My couch did nothing. It's always been there. It's always supported me. New flat screen TV there. Possessed. Got to burn that. So after they burned his cross, they went down a list

of demons that needed to be cast out. And they took care of the demons one by one. They took care of incest, bestiality, blasphemy, lewdness, heresy, masochism, and especially lust, as they'd all made their homes within the soul of Michael Taylor. And there's one demon just called Elton John. Very interesting.

It's a little bit funny. Thank you. Thank you. His feelings are. And they just sat and let him do all of that song. But the thing was, they weren't saying he had necessarily committed all these sins. What they did believe is that without this exorcism,

these demons would eventually cause Michael Taylor to commit each and every one of these sins to the fullest of their imaginings, using the same line of reasoning that Andrea Yates used to kill her five kids. Oh my god. We're doing this for you. Yeah.

This is all for you. OK. This is spiritual pre-crime. Now I tried looking up a few of these demons in both my dictionary of demons and around the internet to see who some of these guys were. And I got some very interesting results. By leth is said by some to be the demon of incest.

But that might just be because of a 1972 Italian horror flick called El Dimani del Incesto, which, according to a reviewer named Humanoida Flesh, has plenty of soft core sex and a whole bunch of full frontal nudity. Oh, OK. Noted. I got that. Thank you for the review.

Now, I could find no demons specifically of bestiality. But according to many of the Christian websites I visited devoted to such things, it is likely that the bestiality demon is a cat, because there are apparently a lot of Christians fucking cats out there and blaming it on a bestiality demon. Don't fuck the cat. I don't really understand what's even

so sexually interesting about a cat. Its asshole is so small. I know that it's supposed to be tighter. I guess that's good. I don't think it is good, because it's screaming and clawing you the whole time, unless it's dead. And then don't have sex with the dead cat. It will be dead if you do that.

Yeah, just don't fuck the cat. Is this PSA? Don't do it. Is this in Africa? We've done this before, we're saying it again. We always have to whip this out every couple of years or so. A refresher. Right.

Leave the cats alone. That was brought to you by the state of New York, paid for by Andrew Cuomo. Blasphemy, though, belongs to Bialbares. Barbarith? What is that name? No, no, no, Bialbares. Barbarith.

Bialbares. No, he's the health minister of treaties. Why'd you give me the fat name? You know I'm fat. He is health minister of treaties, Kessel. He is the notary for the devil. Yeah, he's definitely fat. Notaries are notoriously large.

Oh, yeah, he's the go-between when a man sells his soul to Satan. I see. He's literally what, your preface is going to hell. He is like one of the people, one of those people, where he'd go, where his job is to keep the files down. So he's an office worker in hell, so my obese claim stance. Yeah.

And lust, of course, belongs to Asmodeus, who runs all of hell's casinos. Yeah, I want to go. Yeah, like Steve Wynn. Oh, my god. Welcome to Wynn and Encore Resorts, nothing but total opulence. This hero's sculpture has over 75,364

individual roses, each piece of crystal, shoved from all over the world, over 79,490. If you stayed in Encore or the Wynn Hotel in Vegas, they have this long thing with Steve Wynn, where it's him describing each piece of art in the casinos, and then he goes and he names each tiny particle that's in it. And the best piece of art, this toupee that I'm wearing. But as far as Michael Taylor went,

Reverend Vincent said that in all, he and his team were able to extract 40 demons from Michael's soul by the time the sun rose on Yorkshire eight hours after the exorcism began. OK, pretty good, the 40 and eight hours. It's a pretty good pace. And it's not bad at all. Although 40 sounds like quite a few demons.

That's a lot of demons. According to the Reverend, when the morning came, there were still three more to go. Oh good, and as long as it's just the ones of sleepy, sneezy, and hungry, then we're fine. The thing was, the Deliverance crew, they were tired, because they'd been up all night battling the devil. Of course, that's exhausting.

So it was agreed that all of them, including Michael Taylor and his wife, should go home, get a few hours of sleep, and they'd all meet back up that afternoon to take care of those last three demons. It's not a long three left. It's not a long game of monopoly. Just finish the damn thing. No, they're tired.

There's only three left. What did they get to those? They did 40 and eight hours. That's another 90 minutes of work to do. It's union. You don't think he's trying to make a union? Yeah, that could be. Well, demonologists know these last three

demons as Aishma, Kaas-e-Molar, and Voso. We know them as Anger, Insanity, and Murder. Glad they saved those for last. Glad you didn't get those out first. They were tired. Union. They had their fucking hands take a break. But here's the thing.

It was with the knowledge that these three demons were supposedly still inside of him that Michael Taylor went home with his wife that morning. And this? So they told him. Yes. They told him. Oh, it's brilliant.

They told him. Great idea. Now, there was actually one of them that tried to prevent this from happening. Margaret Smith, she claimed to have received word from the Lord that the spirit of murder was going to break loose that very morning. And she tried making that known before Michael left.

But no one listened. No one, that is, except for perhaps Michael Taylor. She does that every fucking morning. Could be. That's the thing. Is it? We've been having a good time here. This is when this story gets really fucking serious.

So since Michael and Christine were absolutely shattered from a night of exorcism, Christine mercifully asked a family friend to take their five kids to stay with their grandparents while she and Michael rested for the day. OK. Great. And we don't know exactly how events transpired between the time the children left and the time that Michael was next

seen two hours later, because Michael claims that he remembers none of it. OK. What we can piece together is this. When the two were finally alone, something came over Michael Taylor, just like it had when he attacked Marie Robinson 13 days before. At some point in those two hours, Michael stripped naked

and attacked his wife Christine. But this time, there was no one to hold him back. He first reached into her mouth and ripped out her tongue. Then as she lay on the ground, choking to death on her own blood, Michael Taylor gouged out her eyes and ripped her face to shreds with his bare hands, flinging strips of flesh around the room as they came free from her skull. He then turned on the family dog, ripping its legs from the

sockets before pulling out its tongue and eyes as well. He then wandered outside, still naked, covered in the blood of his wife and his dog. There's something about the tension before this moment that I feel like is that's what scares me. Obviously, again, we have been very goofy. And it does feel very goofy. It feels like everybody's play acting.

But that feeling again of, wow, Michael emerges from his room nude. He is the guy they saw in the room before when he attacked Marie. Imagining Christine, who at this point, I wonder how she's even feeling. Because it seems like she's half in and out of the exorcism thing even working.

Like, it seems like she's like, whatever is going to be, she's kind of railroaded into this scenario. And then all of a sudden, she sees that same change. And that's got to be fucking mind-bogglingly frightening. Now, of course, the cops, they were called as soon as someone saw Michael Taylor wandering around. But none of the callers mentioned anything about blood.

All they said was a naked man covered head to toe in red paint was wandering down the street. It's not a Mentos commercial. It's never painted. But by the time the cops arrived, Michael had curled up into the fetal position on the ground. Now, it became very apparent to the first cop on the scene that Michael was covered not in paint, but in blood.

And when Michael Taylor was asked whose blood it was, he started shouting over and over again one sentence. It is the blood of Satan. It is the blood of Satan. It is the blood of Satan. It is the blood of Satan. Satan is not a poodle. It is the blood of your wife and a poodle.

Yeah. And when the verdict came down, Michael Taylor was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Wow. And was sent to Broadmoor Mental Hospital, England's most infamous holding pen for the criminally insane. Now, to some, the Michael Taylor case was proof that religion and spirituality in the wrong hands could lead to

untold horrors, as if we needed more proof of that. In fact, the debate as to whether exorcism should be banned altogether in England even reached parliament. But to others, it was proof that demons were real. As Heel points out, many evangelicals had no problem with Reverend Vincent performing the exorcism. Their issue was that he'd stopped for a tea break. Every time.

But the Anglican church came forward, and after this, they were like, we need to create an actual exorcism like system. We need to train people. We need to do with it. But the main push from within the Anglican church to stop the exorcism schools from being made is that they said that it would destroy

their idea of normalcy. And that what they want is to appear to be normal and put together and not look like a bunch of people hysterically chasing after demons. So British parliament was literally like, on the docket today is, should we ban exorcisms followed by, should we join the EU? What do you think, guys?

This doesn't seem like, yeah, I believe we have, is this the wise Sir Penningham is here to speak on behalf of exorcisms? Yes, yes, I would. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, your mother sucks, fucks, and hell. Your mother sucks, fucks, and hell. The thing was, oh my God.

Nobody on the periphery received any real comeuppance for their roles in Christina Taylor's death. Marie Robinson, she just kind of faded into obscurity and she was never really seen in the public eye again after the trial. Okay. And unlike the case of Annalise McKell in which a young girl's parents and two priests

were charged with criminally negligent homicide following her starvation death during her exorcism, Reverend Vincent was actually promoted after all of this. Failing upwards. Yeah, he went from priest in charge to vicar. Wow, great. So he had to, so it was the tea breaks that did it. It was leaving the last three worst demons

inside the man's body and then not saying, oh, it's the demon of your laundry's still wet, even though it's been in the dryer for 55 minutes. Do you think it really was the power of suggestion if they weren't, do you think so? I think so completely. But I think it's an interesting combo. Yeah, I mean, here's the funny thing,

the River Vincent said, I mean, not necessarily funny, but he said something to that same effect or at least questioned it, Reverend Vincent, he lived with himself using the same tactic that most of these guys do, just throwing up his hands saying it's all part of God's plan. Oh, of course. Yeah, he was quoted as saying that he was quite convinced

that God will bring good out of this in his own way. He then added, quote, if the psychiatrist said this crime would not have been committed but for the exorcism. That seems a rather strange thing to say. That's the most normal thing that's been said so far. Yes. Okay.

He just shoved it off. He's just like, yeah, you know, yeah, God will make some good of it. It's weird that he would talk, that he would say the exorcism is, you know, a part of this. It's so weird. And that's the thing that I heard that he had literally goged out the eyeballs of his wife

and stripped the skin from her face with his fingernails instead of even a knife. I mean, literally ripped the skin from her face. The first thing I thought was strange, very weird. Very strange indeed. Perhaps telling me though, the Michael Taylor case was the last recorded Anglican exorcism in England.

And as far as Michael Taylor's punishment went, he was back on the street in four years. Oh my God. Yeah, that's all you needed to know. He just needed a breather, right? He had a lot of shit going on. He just needed to cool his heels, do some reading, work out, do the la machina in the yard.

Do we know if he ever got the three out of him? Yeah, I guess. Did he do something where he's like, oh, they're out of me now? No, I mean, he didn't say for sure. Okay, just like, like, he sits in the mirror and like, look left or something.

They ask him that, like, do you feel that the demons have expressed from your body? And he's just like, oh, hold on a minute. All right. There goes one. All right, it's strange, it's funny, right? Having fun. Well, Michael Taylor did two years in Broadmoor

and another two in a secure facility in Bradford before being set loose to blend back into society. The reason why he was let loose is because Michael's doctors believed that Michael had hyperventilated during his exorcism, which caused a temporary break with reality. That, combined with what they called hysterical pseudo-psychosis,

temporarily induced by his exercises, created within Michael something that may as well have been a fucking demon for all the damage it caused. Sir, saying it's a demon. All right, I guess it is a demon after all. Yeah, as far as what Michael's been up to since, he has pretty much spent the last 40 or so years trying to kill himself.

He tried everything from wrist-cutting to bridge-jumping. I think he's got four suicide attempts on his record. He was last in the news in 2005 for indecently touching a teenage girl, but after that, who knows? I mean, he may have finally succeeded at suicide in the last 13 years, or he may have died of natural causes,

but chances are Michael Taylor is still alive somewhere in England praying that his demons will never return. Ooh. I tell you what, now instead of killing my wife, I'm just killing it at the gym. You should see me flip that tire. All right, there it is, the possession of Michael Taylor.

A lot of things went wrong there, but everything that could go wrong and an exorcism went wrong. Yeah, absolutely, many things went wrong. And I mean, this is a fascinating exorcism case, because I mean, it doesn't necessarily have the speaker, it doesn't have the strange languages, or the superhuman strength, or anything like that,

like this is a, you know, it seems like an outside influence, an outside influence possession. Although it does seem like the ripping of his wife's face off in the tongue, that's a little superhuman. Oh no, you could do that. It's a little hot. You could go home and do that to a human right now.

Rip out the tongue? Either one of us too. It cannot be that easy to rip out a tongue. If any one of us can, you can do it. I can't do it. Believe in yourself, Kissel. I think that it's interesting. I believe that this is, again, it's a 50,

I mean, this is all opinions. Yeah. We talked about this kind of shit. I think that the idea of the man-made and the psychic mixed with the spiritual, in a way, all collide together to make it real. That a part of it is the, you have to, you have to choose the behavior in order to make it real.

I think that's a part of what, instead of it being these sort of anthropomorphized, like things with, entities with personalities that exist outside of you, it's a chicken and the egg thing where those creatures, the idea of a demon, the idea of a negative entity, are there because of the actions of humankind

and that the constant feedback loop is what sort of makes them real. Stuff like this makes them real because, in a way, you have named the demons, you've given them a thing, now they have fucking a body count attached to them, that's given them spiritual fucking magic, juju. That's correct. Indeed, they are powerful entities.

Be very careful with this stuff, because the power of suggestion is very, very real. Yeah, it's not just, I mean, it's just, be careful with other humans, just with manipulation, with how you treat other people, because the human mind is a fragile thing, and if you're fucking with the human mind and fucking with other people's emotions

and their spirituality and their religion, very dangerous things can happen. Yeah, and if you're gonna leave a demon in, leave the ice cream demon in, because everyone loves to have ice cream for all the meals a day. I find it very interesting, because we like this shit.

We like this type of drama. We talked about a little bit of this, when we were doing our discussions, it's kind of like methamphetamine, is that when you get into meth, you add instant drama to your life. There's something about being boring, the idea of joining in all this kind of group activity too,

between the church and how everybody came together for the exorcism and all these people paying attention to you, it was feeding into all of this shit. You just get into football, European football in the UK, and then you can just be a fan about that. By the way, football also has a lot of body counts as well. Yeah, speaking of energy there of people. All right everyone, well thank you all so much for listening.

That was great stuff. Yeah, man, great story. What do we have to talk about? We have to talk about the little tour we're going on. Is everything scheduled out? I don't think so. I think maybe, I know Chicago is, and Austin might be, but I think we still got tickets

for Dallas, Oklahoma City, and Indianapolis. Dallas and Oklahoma City, that's going to be on the 7th and the 9th of November. Those are coming up very soon. The tickets are selling out. Well DC has sold out as well. Yes, but it's important to remember, so we can't just remind people,

DC's still on, we're there November 4th, and the rest of it's like, yeah, pick up tickets where you can get them because they will sell out, and we're going to have a lot of fun. Yes, and that way to see everyone on the road. Yeah, just go to lastpodcastontheleft.com and there are a ticket links

to all of our upcoming shows there. There that is. Anything else here? Indianapolis is on November 30th, I believe. Yes, can't wait to go back to Indy. It's Halloween. This is the fun weekend, because you get to like just,

you get to party this weekend. So go dance, cavort, wear your mask, revel in your anonymity, and feel the presence of ghosts as this Wednesday the veil between the world is thinner than it shall be for the rest of the year.

Too bad it falls on a Wednesday, but that's fine. That's fine. You know what, the demons can only do so much. Which it wins the party, is it this weekend or is it next weekend? I don't know. This weekend, you know what I noticed?

For me, it's this weekend. The number of the Simpsons used to always do the Treehouse of Horrors the weekend after drove me kind of nuts now that I do it the weekend before. That's nice. So I think that's better. It's much better.

Because once Halloween is over, now everyone's got Thanksgiving stuff up, and some folks even just jump right to Christmas. A lot of people jump right to Christmas. But you know what? If they want to jump right to Christmas, let them. Oh, I don't care. Do whatever the heck you want to do.

Do whatever the fuck it is they need to do. I don't need to see all these turkeys all around, making me all hungry every step I take. I just miss, it's skeletons, and then it's nothing but plump food. That is like, it's October to November is totally different. Skeletons is great for my diet.

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