Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 342: The Order of the Solar Temple Part II - The Rise and Fall of the Order

Episode Date: December 1, 2018

On part two of our series on the Order of the Solar Temple, we discuss the rise and fall of the world's premiere yuppie cult while also covering their secret beliefs and rituals, all to try to help explain how it ended with the deaths of 74 people. 

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? We've been over this before in other episodes, right? But we're proud of Mary and Travis, right? Oh yeah, they're doing a great job. We're proud with them. Do they not deserve uniforms? What do you mean? And I am saying this. We brought it up in Jonestown. First of all, we should honestly... Those are our employees, Mary and Travis. Yes, but they should have some sort of flair. Maybe that's a part of it. And I do believe, I said, if we can just kind of set it up,

you guys are down in the studio, which is kind of a recessed. It's got a basement. What we'll do is, don't tell Travis or Mary, because they don't listen to these episodes. So they're not going to know. They're going to be up in the living room, not knowing what's happened. Right? We put up a fancy sheet in front of the stairs leading down to the basement where their studio is. Right? Pumped with a bunch of smoke machines in there, right? We give them a couple of glasses. We give them a couple mugs of coffee with acid in them. Right? Oh my goodness. Give it to them. Listen to me. Listen. We take them down the steps. About a half an hour of, we have like a biscuit time

where we sit and eat little tea cookies and stuff, waiting for the acid to take hold. And we're telling them this spiritual energies are building. We bring them downstairs to the basement, give them capes, different grades of capes. Where we give Travis a gold one. We give Mary a silver one. We don't tell them what it means yet. Right. But they'll feel more important. And then I will show them a cup and say it's the grail. What that then does is, bonds them to us forever. And you know what we get to do? Stop paying them. I don't know if that's true, but all right. You know, a cape. You said uniform. I was thinking like TGI Fridays, the flair. That's bad.

No, no, no. No pedantic. No pedantic flair based. I want real flair. Flair that is chosen by the hierarchy of the cosmos. All right. Neil deGrasse Tyson, I suppose. All right. This is the last podcast on the left, everyone. I am Ben Gissel. That's Marcus Parks. Hello. Hello. Marcus, you look thinner than ever. I don't know why he keeps saying I look thinner than ever. I don't know why you're thinner than ever. Don't tell him that because that means you think he looks like sick.

Yeah. I asked him if he had the big C. No, no. I'm just, I'm always teetering on looking, being finally thin and looking really fucking sick. No, you were thin. You do look a little thin. He does. And I am a little concerned. I am a tiny bit concerned, but I respect you. I eat three meals a day. Hey, buddy. Hey, Ben. I'm the reverse of an alcoholic.

And then, uh, and then we also have Henry Zabrowski, who is, he's our guest on the show. And now this is episode 398 or something. I think 41. Yeah. Permanent guest like Sinbad. Now, what we have here is before we get into today's episode, I want to do a little bit of a reading from Alice Bailey. So you can, I feel like mirrors how we feel here. Last podcast and left on the information that we deliver to our beloved audience. Who is, now explain everyone who Alice Bailey is.

Alice Bailey, if you've done your reading, is one of the original branch offs from Madame Blavatsky. She wrote a book basically about spiritual initiations. Uh-huh. And I believe it is called initiations. Oh, interesting. Before entering upon the subject matter of the following articles on initiation on the paths that opened before the perfected man and on the occult hierarchy, certain statements may be made which seem essential for the judicious study and comprehension of the idea submitted. It is to be recognized that throughout this volume, facts are alleged and definite statements made which are not susceptible of immediate proof by the listener.

Blessed be inferred that the writer arrogates to herself any credit or personal authority for the knowledge implied she emphatically disavows. All such claims or representations. She cannot do otherwise and present these statements as matters of fact. Nevertheless, she would urge those who find somewhat of merit in these pages that he not estranged by any appearance of dogmatism in the presentation. Nor should the inadequacy of the personality of the host act as a deterrent to the open-minded consideration of the message to which her name happens to be appended. Alright, kind of a long quote there. Blavatsky. Blavatsky also reminds me of an overweight offensive lineman who's like funny and everyone kind of loves him,

but he's kind of a doofus, but then he ends up falling on the football in the end zone recovering a fumble for a touchdown to win the big game. I will say Blavatsky definitely looked like the parent trap-like twin of a linebacker for the Green Bay Packers. Alright, we are on to part two of the Order of the Solar Temple. So when we last left Joe DiMombro and Luke Giray, they had just merged their respective followings into a new supercult and had rebranded themselves as the Order of the Solar Temple. Now there's been a lot of debate over the years as to who was really in charge during the nine years that the OST was active, but it seems from the testimonies of four members that Joe DiMombro was the one who pulled most of the strings. What I heard was, I did read one testimony from a survivor that was like, I hated Joe DiMombro, always smiling, always slimy, in robbing his moustache, but Giray, oh, that was the real heart of the OST.

Even with his melodious voice and his thick hair, he kept comparing Giray's thick hair to DiMombro's big mound of hair and saying that it made him distrust DiMombro. And I think it was just because he was slipping your acid and you knew it. So DiMombro, now he's the less attractive one, right? He's the one behind the scenes? He's absolutely the less attractive one. I mean, anyone who says that Giray was the guy in charge, that's a style-over-substance guy right there. Because Giray, like, he was the face, you know, of course, he probably was the heart of it, but DiMombro was the one who wrote all the songs. In other words, he was the guy who was in charge of everything. The reason for the season, because he understood the combination of all of the cults. Between his group and the Argyny Renaissance, he knew how to pick and choose all the little, how to build the cult's brand in a way.

Which is now, we're heading towards where, I think what we talked about last episode, where he was really building an esoteric study group. Like, he was building a group that he just started realizing over time, hey, a lot of these members of this esoteric group are making me particularly horny. And because of my mustache, I have created a purposeful, he created a purposeful blockade between him and making love to women. Because he wanted to show just how powerful his brain could be to make people sexually get over his face. I see, so DiMombro, he's the guy who wrote the song Wrecking Ball, and then the other dude is Miley. Is that right? Actually, that's a very good way of putting it. You ever see a picture of the guy who wrote the song Wrecking Ball?

No, it is different than Miley. Holy hell. Interesting. Well, ironically though, a large part of DiMombro's power came from his claim that he actually had no power. He told his followers that he took all of his orders from a council of 33 ascended masters who lived in the OST headquarters underneath Zurich in Switzerland. Also known as a section of Agartha. Yeah, because the OST believed in the hollow earth theory, and DiMombro told his followers that all of his directives came from the subterranean world of Agartha, which could only be accessed by descending 22 steps down a secret passageway somewhere in Zurich. Good luck. Good luck finding the fucking passageway, huh? Zurich's complicated because they built all of the streets on a Z pattern. I don't know that 2B trip. It sounds difficult. All I know is I never want to go on a journey to find a section of Agartha, because that just seems like it's really...

I'm going to need a little Bobo Baggins. I don't know how to help with that. A little Samwise. But what we are having, we're seeing here though, is a direct line. Like if you start reading about the, this goes, his thought process, DiMombro, his time spent in a morgue, and his time working with the Argeny Renaissance and these other esoteric groups. We're seeing what they are trying to build, which is a direct line all the way to Madame Blavatsky, and Madame Blavatsky builds upon the line from the Egyptian secret schools. So what we're talking about here is that once you begin to open up the vaults of this type of esoteric thought between the Knights Templar, Rosicrucianism, esoteric Christianity, you're entering into the gigantic spine of a cult thought that has been around since Sirius arrived in 26,000 years ago, which we don't know if it's true or not. Right. But even though the headquarters of the Order of the Solar Temple were in Zurich, DiMombro and Jure expanded their operations across the sea in the mid-80s, saying that the capital P, capital L, promised land was located in North America.

Okay. What's the time period on this little build-up, Marcus, would you say? About 80, but between 84 and 86. I think they started the move over to North America in 85, and finally in 1986 arrived in the Promised Land that was Quebec. Hey! That's nice. Honestly, if you're going to pick one spot in the world to make capital P, capital L, promised land, beautiful Quebec is not a bad place to choose. I know. No, it's very cold. Well, I don't know the exact reasoning behind it, but I think they probably had three reasons for this. I mean, one, it was distant enough to be impressive, because you can't say, hey, if you're in Switzerland, you can't say the Promised Land is in Sweden,

you've got to go far. You've got to go across the sea. And plus, you know, as Henry said, it's a beautiful part of Canada that the Order's rich members would still enjoy. You can't take them out to the desert like Manson was taking all of his followers. Sure. Because they didn't know it was good. When you're already rich, you already know what's good, and you can't drop in lifestyle. That's why he cared to it. They can't fully shake up their life.

They have to, like, give them a little bit to bite on. Yeah, and speaking of which, they went somewhere where everyone all spoke French. We only ever bought a nurse in their home. Interesting. It's always glad you came. It's a strange little bar over there in Quebec. So, Zurich to Quebec. Staying on the lower end of the alphabet there.

I'm telling you, though, with my cult, we are going to the beautiful, beautiful San Diego. That is the only place I will take my cult. It's where it's 75 rockin'. I don't know, man. I don't know if they want you. So, Jarre, working as the face, convinced people to leave Switzerland by using the Jim Jones technique, telling his followers that the world would soon be ending and that the only place left standing was going to be Quebec. If this whole thing ends with him poisoning poutine, as everyone slams it down their gullet, I'm going to be really upset. I mean, from every single time I've had poutine, I assume it's poisoned from the reaction my asshole has.

But Jarre was also careful to specify a large area of Quebec, which meant that followers could relocate without having to all stay on a stuffy little compound, meaning everyone could still live comfortable, rich lifestyles. Okay, nice. Because that was the thing about the OST. They never had a compound per se. Instead, they had what could best be referred to as clubhouses. Good framing. Very good framing.

And these were mostly in Switzerland and Quebec, although there were small contingents in the French-Caribbean territory of Martinique and Australia. So, as far as housing goes, OST seems to be one of the more comfortable cults that we've covered so far. Well, that's the thing. The reason behind this is that, as we said in the last episode, unlike most cults, the members of the Order of the Solar Temple were, at the very least, middle class, if not fantastically wealthy. Obviously, we will put one caveat there. I mean, there were some people on the lower end of middle class that were involved as well.

They ended up doing a lot of the grunt work. But a part of what the original plan that Jarre and DiMambro had from the very beginning was to get the elite. Jarre knew from the very beginning when he was doing the... That's what he brought to the table. DiMambro brought all of the esoteric... generations of esoteric knowledge with him. DiMambro's not a fucking joke. DiMambro really did believe he was a wizard. Jarre understood the packaging.

He understood that what we need is cash fucking money. And so you have to go and talk at them about lifestyle and dietary shit and then flip it. And so in that wave of getting rich people, you got some lower middle class. Did you make this analogy in the last one with Tom Cruise and Miss Kavich for Scientology? Was that talked about? Because it seems like this... Jarre is the cruise, right? DiMambro is the Miss Kavich. And by the way, that story is getting crazier and crazier.

Tom Cruise was in charge of some of the beatings according to Leah Remini. But he built it into his Jack Reacher stunt choreography. Can you imagine they're getting beat up by 5 foot 4 Tom Cruise? Yeah man, wait till the one day when I finally fucking snap, dude. I'm gonna be the scariest 5 foot 7 little tornado anyone has ever seen. Yeah, because you're only 5'5", so that would make it scary. No, you fucking piece of shit! Well, the thing is about all these rich people in the OSD.

Everyone had their own homes. They all still had all their day jobs outside of the temple. They all had lives that continued on in such a normal way that in some cases, close family members had no idea that their child, sibling, spouse, or parent was even a part of the OSD. One such example was Edith Warnay, a lady of leisure married to the 1960 Winter Olympics downhill skiing champion Jean Warnay, who had made himself fabulously wealthy by founding a ski accessory company

that still sells $300 sunglasses to this day. Hey, all right. I'll tell you something I want, man. I'll tell you something I want. I'll be impressive. It's some kind of uphill skiing champion. Everybody, everybody fucking and everybody and their mother and their fucking uncle skis downhill because it's the only way you can fucking go.

Give me a medal. I can roll downhill faster than these skis. I would love to watch the slowest ski competition ever. Everyone just has to walk. You know, you have to walk sideways, up and look like a jackass. It's not kind of fun. So Edith and her youngest son joined the OSD in 1990 when they were 60 and 21 years old, respectively.

But nobody else in their family had any idea that the two of them were a part of the cult for another four years. They kept this a secret for almost half a decade. Question. I just have a question. Can they still speak to their parents? Can they talk to their family? That's the whole point.

Well, some of them that are really on the inside don't, but for the most part, the people that are out in the world, the whole point is that it's a secret society. So yeah, they do. Okay. I like that. The way it seems from the descriptions I've read is that people got really into the community building of OSD. It seems that when they showed up, especially these people like Edith who had a lot of money

to burn, she showed up, she was given a little bit of the Jim Jones treatment where she got the Mambro, or like Jauré or the Mambro would come forward and be like, ma child. Ce l'est le tout. Kisses on your wrist. Kisses on your elbow. French politeness. Okay. They pull in there, but they see people dancing with the Maypole dressed in little like, and

they're all dressed normal. And what we're seeing is the very, you are being interviewed the second you arrive, where what they understood implicitly was the slow build of an esoteric group to a cult. They showed up just to fucking have some fun and to learn about crystals and how to join the hierophants and how to join the Ascended Masters a little bit in order just to live their lives. But you know what they found? Uh-oh.

Nothing but trouble. Thank you. I saw one of you did it. Oh my God. So Edith shows up, money just pouring out of her pockets like a bank teller trying to rob the place and trying to walk out in the back door. And then they're just like, there's something about you that we like. That's basically it.

That's basically it. Yeah, and that's the thing is that Edith and her son's membership was only exposed when a couple of Swiss reporters showed up on the family's doorstep asking questions because Edith's name was found amidst the rubble of the second of the four OST massacres. And she and her son would die in the third massacre after they assured their family that they'd never have anything to do with the OST ever again, especially after they did something so silly as to kill themselves in a mass ritual. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh man. Silly pants. Silly pants. There are a couple of Howie Mandels over there. Yeah. So silly. I went into a Starbucks in June.

I asked for a pumpkin spice latte. They're like, that doesn't come on talk to over. And I was like, silly. I know that. Silly. So you burn yourself with a group of your friends, right, in the shape of the Templar Cross? Absolutely.

Of course. Ever making sure your body's all collapsed in a star pattern? Yeah, naturally. Very organized. But this is why I think it really was an esoteric group that was at the beginning, it really was just about sharing knowledge. And when you get into real esoteric thought, a part of it, it's all about it's just a constant initiation.

You're constantly bringing towards a goal of learning the real quote, unquote, knowledge, capital R, capital K, real knowledge. But this is an end in the third episode, we're going to talk a lot about what was it suicide or was it murder or what's the difference between the two? Okay. Mostly it seems like a lot of these people were just straight up murdered. But even though these members lived separate lives, they could still be called away by either DeMombra or Joray at any time.

And it was required that they never tell anyone where they were going. Edith's other son, the one who didn't join the cult, said he remembered his mother getting a phone call and suddenly leaving a yachting holiday in Spain, saying she wasn't feeling well and needed to immediately return to Geneva. Oh my goodness. These people were so fucking rich. It's safe to say though that you want to be called by Joray, right? Like it's never good when you get the call from DeMombra.

Yeah, because DeMombra was like, you must simply come back to Geneva because my tongue is dry. Well, I'm on a yacht, it's taking on water. But get what? You get to play with my sword. Yikes. Well, that son now believes that his mother was called back by the cult, just as she been called multiple times before and after and every time she left, she was as vague

as possible as far as where she was going. Another example of a high ranking member was Camille Pied, who is an executive for the Swiss watch company Piaget. For some perspective on how rich this guy was, on the low end, Piaget watches go for about eight grand. On the high, they're in the millions, like I'm talking three million dollar watches. Why you got to have a watch so expensive, what does it do? Yeah, what else does it do?

It tells time like super good. Inspector Gadget's watch was not even that expensive, it was like a skateboard too. It was a part of his arm, what on earth? So because of his stature, DeMombra told Piaget that he was the reincarnation of Joseph of Arimathea, and as a consequence, Piaget got all his capes in one go, no questions asked. Boom, boom, boom, that's all it takes bro, boom, boom, boom, boom, that's crazy. But it wasn't just watchmakers and skiers that the OST attracted. I hope not.

They completed the Swiss trifecta by recruiting Thierry Huguenot, whose grandfather, or Huguenot, it's very difficult, it's a very difficult one. Thierry Huguenot. Yeah, it would actually be Thierry Huguenot, but Thierry... I can take the names if you want me to. Thierry Huguenot. Yes, because let Kissel have the pronunciation. Thierry Huguenot.

Yeah, I love this car dealership over in Plover. Yeah, Thierry Huguenot. Yeah, great guy. Anyway, his grandfather had made a killing running a chocolate factory. Jesus, dude. Okay, so they got a watchmaker, they got a skier, they got a chocolate maker. So the triangle of stereotypes are complete. Yeah, dude, all they need now is a girl with huge tits and wooden shoes serving everybody.

I don't know what else they drink there. I think they drink beer in Switzerland or some form of ale or grog. Definitely. Well, Thierry is what we're going to call him. Might as well just call him Thierry instead of saying Thierry, short. I mean, that is his name, but we can just, we'll just call him Thierry. They're not, no one really is going to be holding our feet to the fire on them. Well, don't be so sure.

That's true. Well, Thierry was ironically a dentist, but an extremely successful one at that. So he was able to climb the ranks to become one of the order's most important members. Wait, the dentist was also in the chocolate business? Well, his grandfather was a chocolate factory. He's creating his own customers. Yeah, dude, it's called the, it's called the, that is called the Gaelian dialectic. Where you control the problem and the solution that's all been a conspiracy.

That's big tobacco. That's crazy. However, unlike the other three people we just mentioned, Thierry survived. So quite a bit of our information on the cult comes from him. Specifically, the information comes from his book, 54th, which was beautifully translated for us by research assistant Rachel, who informed us that she speaks fluent French after hearing our call for French speakers on episode one. Thank you, Rachel.

She can do everything. How do people do that? Kids are taught better these days. We are our element. My public school education as an elementary school student was essentially a jail for children. Right. Right.

Yeah. My Spanish teacher just spent all our time talking about her skin disease. Diseaseo is how it's pronounced, Mark, is thank you very much. So the question here is this. Why did four seemingly intelligent people such as these, along with hundreds of others, join a cult like the Order of the Solar Temple when they all led comfortable, successful lives? That is the question.

Well, I think there are two answers here. Henry thinks, and I agree with this, that a lot of these, fine, I agree, I gave it to him. Oh my God. I agree with him when he told me that a lot of these members, they probably just joined the Order as like a thought exercise. It was a fun, exclusive church that made members feel special with the added bonus that poor people couldn't join, pretty much making it the premier yuppie cult.

It's like the reverse of the subway punch card. I understand. Yes. It's definitely a cult for people that use a lot of skin care products because they can afford them. Right. But a part of it is what we talked about with Scientology and the reason why it worked. You worked because you got nerds to put themselves in costumes playing roles.

Yeah. Nothing makes a bunch of people with money to burn feel better than essentially this is larping to an, and very intense, very intense end when you look at, when you read stuff like Alice Bailey and you read all the actual esoteric books that it seems that are building up these philosophy, it puts you on this incredible mystical journey to the center of the galaxy. And if you already got all these millions of dollars, everything else in the world is fucking boring to you. It turns a mission impossible to a mission possible, which I think is really fun.

You also mentioned how Scientology worked. I say works. I just watched a commercial for their new television network. Yeah. Like they are doing, are they doing better than ever? Yes. Sort of in a way. It's crazy.

They figured out how to mushy their money around. They've realized that they, they can evangelize in a new way. You're doing it the Casey Anthony defense lawyer way where there will be, have you seen the fucking ads around LA for Scientology or being like, we think you've heard about us. Are you curious? Right, right, right. It's stuff like that where they're, they're playing with it. They're playing with that.

Yes, yes. As far as this being like an exclusive cult, a yuppie cult, something for rich people to do in their spare time, that was probably like the watch executive, like Camille Pillay, that was probably his motivation for joining. But people like Varney and Eugene Oh, they had a different incentive. According to an article called The Pleasure of Believing by Fabrice Clement, their reason, it's a great article. It's a scholarly article.

It is very. It's just French. So French, everything's sexy. It's just, yeah, it's interesting. Well, he said that their reason for joining is pretty classic cult stuff. Both of them were going through extreme emotional turmoil when either Joray or Demombro scooped him up. See, Varney was in the midst of a deep depression because her children had all left home and

her husband was always away running the ski accessory company. Oh, goodness. Well, oh no. Oh, I understand. No, I know. I know it is. It's difficult. It's difficult.

Yeah, it's difficult. She was just, she was lonely. I mean, honestly, I'm, you can't see me, but I'm playing the world's smallest fiddle with my fingers and then people could say, that's a normal sized fiddle. You're so big. You better be careful with that fiddle, man, because your hands are so big, you're going to crush it. And the world's smallest fiddle, I imagine, is pretty expensive to replace.

So she's just a single, she's just, she has empty nested and her husband is out, so she's just a super wealthy, like, stereotype, again, used to work. Yeah, yeah, she's very much a stereotype. And as far as a eugenon went, I mean, and he actually, I mean, Voronea, yeah, that's pretty typical, you know, board rich person syndrome, but Hugene actually had some, he actually had a pretty shitty past. Okay. When he kind of came in contact with these guys, his wife had just had a second trimester

miscarriage. So it's very, very traumatic. Right, right. Now, it was Luke Gere who brought Voronea into the fold. He actually saw her at one of his, like, New Age bookstore appearances. She was pretty much, I would say that Voronea was, like, the best example of the type of person who was brought in by the New Age bookstore talks. Okay.

And his, her surviving son, he said that as far as he knew, his mother was just, like, attending lectures on eating right and living an ecologically spiritual life. You know, it's just doing the type of shit that, like, rich board housewives do with their spare time. Right. Now, it's good to do, to learn about maybe how to eat right or do ecological, spiritual, life living. I don't know.

But if they're telling you to give you all the money, if they want all your money and they say, hey, we're going to Zurich to talk to aliens at the bottom of this staircase that are all pretending to be Knights Templar, that's when you know you're doing dumb shit. Anytime you hear the sentence and now it's time to pass the collection plate, it's time for you to stand up and get the hell out of there. But Terry, on the other hand, he was brought in from the esoteric side by Joe DiMombro. Because Terry had been introduced to DiMombro by his wife's lucid dreaming coach. I have never heard of a more wealthy fucking sentence in my life.

What do you mean lucid dreaming coach? What is that? They were not wealthy. They were, they were like upper middle class. A part of what happened is that his wife had this miscarriage and essentially was duped. One of the OST's people came in and was scooped her up. This is a part of it where it's like, yes, there's a lot of rich dumb people stuff happening here, but there's also people that were just swept in by seeing the rich dumb people be

involved. I think that's a part of it is that they saw these established members of society also belonging to the OST and so they felt it was okay for them to join. When Terry was introduced to the group, it was done by this, these, they were in pain after a miscarriage. This woman, Evelyn Chartier, which means Evelyn Scharder, was, she went and she told him me like we can heal your depression by going through, like having your fantasies be lived out in your dreams and then she's like, but actually now that you've been doing really

well with the lucid dreaming, you're going to be able to meet my guy. Yeah. This is my guy Joe. Okay. You know, people follow rich people all the time. We're dealing with it right now on a national level. They're not smarter than you. No.

I don't understand why this happens. Like you talk to a rich person and then you're like, oh, you must be super smart. Like how'd you get so rich? You're like, I'm the great grandson of the dude who invented the little plastic thing that goes on top of the pen. He patented that. And he's like, you're just a moron. You're just a moron.

No, yeah. It's like Kanye West being allowed to design shoes. You ever felt too easy? You can like pull a Yeezy apart with your hands. Well, Terry said that the first time he met Joe DiMombro, he noted that Joe dressed much younger and slimmer than a punchy middle-aged man should have, wearing a black jacket, an open shirt, and tight pants. Hey, look at that, you see my chain, it is very lit, huh?

I stand wearing my Chelsea boots, I'm really much young, very young. I mean, that's the French, you get like extra charisma points for just being French because in this country, he's just the assistant manager at the bunny ranch. It's not a good look. It wasn't just the miscarriage that was bothering Terry, apparently his entire life had been marred by tragedy and failure. So when he asked DiMombro for answers why, Joe told him that all this happened because Terry was paying for the sins of a past life.

And Terry, looking to attach his pain to pretty much anything at this point, said, fuck yeah dude, that makes a lot of sense. Doesn't it? Everything I say makes sense, look how tiny my jacket is. Should a 50 or 60 or 70 year old man be wearing a jacket until she says, no. I speak to my ancestors and they gave me this jacket. It's a nice template, very fashionable. It's never good when in a past life you were like Rod Stevenson, who was known as the public

flasher and masterbater. That's not good. Well, eventually DiMombro would convince Terry that he was the reincarnation of Rom, who was a priest of the Old Testament king, Melchizedek. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. But make that up.

Yeah, because it's so specific. See? See? That's not gonna get you. Because it's specific. Why would you make that up? It's so specific. Yeah.

It's impossible to do. It's impossible. Fuck it. If you told me you was fucking Merlin, that's stupid. That's dumb. Whatever. Yeah, dude. It's really dumb.

Anybody could be Merlin, yeah. But if you tell me I'm Merlin's cousin, Girlin. Right. Right. That's interesting. Yeah, absolutely. But of course that discovery only came after several extremely expensive seminaries where Terry and dozens of other members were taught the techniques needed to discover one's own

reincarnated past. Within months, Terry said that he and his wife Natalie had abandoned their old social life completely, cutting off old friends and even their parents because all their time was devoted to Demombro, doing things like quote unquote, daily spiritual gymnastics at dawn. What the hell is that? No, what is that? I think it's like jumping jacks, but you just think about them.

I see. But Demombro, this is where the news started tightening for a lot of people because what he did was that there were full on surface level shit that you could do with the OST. That's where it started. The little parties, the holistic talks, all this kind of shit. Demombro, you got to meet when things got serious for you and slowly but surely he told you you cannot have family and friends and truly live the esoteric way. So they do cut you off.

But he's correct in a way where it's true. This is why people join monastic societies because the idea is that you can only focus on a thing. So in a way, he was telling them the truth, which is like if we're going to be a wizard, you have to be doing this 24 seven. You got to be the walk and walk and talking the Turk in order to do it. I see. But those are the people at the very, very top.

People like Edith Warnay, she was more like mid-level, so she was keeping everything a secret. But the people at the very, very top, people like Terry Eugenol, they got cut off completely. And once they were in completely- Well, what's the benefit of being at the top then? You get to be a master of the fucking universe, Ben. Yeah, you just hang out with this sweaty toad guy. No, you don't just hang out with some sweaty toad.

You're hanging out with the lineage of Jesus Christ's apostles. You're hanging out with one of the ancient pharaohs of Egypt. That's what Demombra was. Yes, in this current physical plane, he looked like Danny DeVito, but you're not hanging. You're trying to ascend this life, Kissel. You're trying to do inside transformation. You're trying to join the legions of the Knights Templar. Yeah.

All right. You know what? I'm not sure about all that. I'm gonna go ahead and say a good ol' Ben, Kissel. I don't know about that. Hear me and mean to me. I don't know. All I know is if I ever ever kid, and they join a cult, one phone call, it's all gonna

take me to convince them it's not good. Honestly, I would love to see you walking through the order of the solar temple with all the tiny little Knights Templars hanging from your arms. Yeah, exactly. Like, give me back my son, and then you get there, and you're like, that's not my son. Oh, shit, I've just been hammered for days. Little Liam Neeson, I could do a take-in scene. Once Terry and his wife Natalie were in completely, Demombra introduced them to Luke Gere, whom

Terry still describes with a sense of awe and wonder despite everything that's happened, which is actually extremely common among former cult members, the best example being when former Scientologists talk about L. Ron Hubbard. Like, they still say L.R.H., and they still talk about him like he's a god. Right. It's got the body of a god that I know. Well, here is an excerpt from Terry's book, Talking About Luke Gere. Immediately, the allure of this doctor seduced us, he had a long and well-drawn body, thin

waist, broad shoulders. They carry high a beautiful head, moving and romantic, a gaze dark and profound that carried a sudden sadness in an instant, crazy hair, a lock of which swept over his forehead. Just, you know what, man, think about him on the can. Just all of these, these are biological. He was a handsome guy. Did you write him? He was a handsome guy.

Yeah, I saw a picture. He's not that. I mean, come on. He's not Triple H here. In the annals of true crime and the paranormal, where every single other fucking character that we read about is described as handsome, Luke Gere is actually handsome. I don't find Peter Curtin to be handsome. No.

In any one of the Ted Bundy, I under, I, okay, I understand Ted Bundy. I understand Ted Bundy. We talk about this in the live show. He looks like George W. Bush. He does. He really does. All right. So, okay.

So they're into him. Yeah, they're into him. And by the time Terry was finally done with order of the Solar Temple in the early 90s, he was given damn near his entire income to Demombra and Gere, keeping only $150 a month for himself and his family. But this is like, this is happening during the 80s, where we know what attractive guys look like. Like the lead singer from Striker or, you know, like Ratt.

Sebastian Bach. Sebastian Bach. Oh, Sebastian Bach's a dreamboat. Yeah. Of course. That's a handsome guy. I don't think this dude, this dude doesn't hold a candle to them. But he's talking about leaves.

He's talking about the power of crystals. He's looking at you in the eye. Yeah. He's looking at his hand and the other, you know, there's hands, right? And he's just like, as you, you're locked in his eyes, but his tongue is licking her knuckles. Well, that just makes me happy. And the way you feel it, and the way you're like getting all that vibe, we're like, oh,

you're getting like a sort of cucked, but you like it. Yeah, but it's spiritual cuckold. Yeah. Okay. All right. And $150 a month in France was easy for them because kids literally drank wine as food. Now, from what we've said so far about the Solar Temple's beliefs, it kind of, you know, it sounds like their main focus was reincarnation, but reincarnation was really

just the hook to make people feel and seem more important. Okay. Their actual beliefs were a mix of New Age mumbo jumbo, Rosicrucian fiddle faddle, Catholic hocus pocus, there's a lot of fighting words here, and esoteric Christianity. And you start reading, though, into it, esoteric Christianity and all this kind of stuff. It has really fun stuff. Yeah. But it's so, it's really thick.

If you read any of like Madame Blavatsky, if you read any, like they're trying to read Alice Bailey, this stuff is very, very intense. Here's a little example of a quote from her, another quote from her book that you have to fight through, right? Okay. The initiation leads to the stream that, once entered, sweeps a man onward until it carries him to the feet of the Lord of the world, to the feet of his father in heaven, to the feet of the three-fold logos.

The initiation leads to the cave within whose circumscribing walls the pairs of opposites are known, and the secret of good and evil is revealed. It leads to the cross and to that utter sacrifice which must transpire before perfect liberation is attained, and the initiation stands free of all earth's fetters held by naught in the three worlds. Got the feet, and I'm thinking butthole is the second part, and then she's up to the cross, maybe that's like the stern of the area. Very intense.

But the logos is an interesting idea. I think it's very interesting. Okay, interesting. It's a whole, we'll do Gnostic Christian bullshit one day. I can't wait. I love that. All so easy to parse. Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world.

I tell you, this is how we will end last podcast in the left. At some point, we are just going to be like, all right, we're punishing the listener by we're just doing all of it. We're just going to do a 20-hour series on esotericism and just being like, if this doesn't kill you, you weren't listening to this podcast. But the beliefs of the Order of the Solar Temple had one important twist. The Knights Templar were alive and well, and living among them. Yes, prepare their sorrows for transition, cleave the demons, all of them, fucking love

the Knights Templar. Sir, your poutine has arrived. Oh, good, oh, good, I'm going to be a Knights Templar suit since I met with the muster. Duke Jure claimed to be the reincarnation of Saint Bernard de Clairvaux, who, while not a Knight himself, is considered by some to be the most important figure in Templarism as he was largely responsible for the Templar's acceptance into the Catholic Church. Would this guy be happy to come back as Jure? No one, he may not have, well, the difference was that Saint Bernard de Clairvaux was given

the fucking full on yege from the fucking church to kill whoever he wants with the power of Jesus Christ. I think that he would actually be upset with the demotion when he shows up. Yes, exactly, that's the whole thing. That's the thing is that Jure, that reincarnation of Saint Bernard de Clairvaux, that was in addition to Jure also being the third reincarnation of Jesus Christ. How the hell do you do that? I think that makes Jure, I think that what he's implying is that Saint Bernard is the

second reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Yeah, I see. Yeah. You get it? I don't get it, but yes, I see. So using this authority, Jure laid out the goals of the Order of the Solar Temple as thus. Their mission was to, one, establish the correct notions of authority and power in the world.

Which of course we meant Jure and de Mambrao. Right. Affirm the primacy of the spiritual over the temporal. You don't need your money. We're teaching you how to use your brain and your soul. You don't need all this money. Would love the money. Would love it.

Three. Give back to man the consciousness of his dignity. Don't know. How do you get that without money? Four. Help humanity through its transition. Pew! Pew!

What? What? Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Three planes.

Body, soul and spirit. Okay. Six. Work towards the union of the churches and to work towards the convergence of Christianity and Islam. Oh. World peace perhaps. Okay.

And seven. Prepare for the return of Christ in solar glory. What is the solar glory? I'm not sold on that. I just need to know what the solar glory is. Partially, there's two leanings. There is the Christ is spiritual return. Will come and he will absorb all sins.

He will usher in the age of Aquarius that we'll all be dancing with no bras inside of. It's either that or literally means the sun will explode and we will all go to heaven. Okay. All of, most of that sounds pretty okay as far as cults go. That seven point doctrine was the version that Jure gave the squares when he was making his pitch during lectures. It not surprisingly leaves out quite a bit of the actual beliefs of the order of the

solar temple, which it's, this isn't all that different from how Scientology does it. You know, you can't just spring Xenu on people right off the bat. Can't do it. How are you going to take all their money along the way? Yeah. You got to massage them. So by the time they get to the point where they're at the top, they have to believe it

because of some cost. I'm a stupid idiot. I didn't make a massive mistake 10 years ago. Left my entire family behind. No way. But the main thing that Jure left out was the order's belief in transit. And this is very important to the order of the solar temple's belief system. Okay.

See, starting in 1986, just a couple of years after the founding of the order, the tone of Jure and DeMombra's teachings took a more apocalyptic tone. It was done on purpose to make the danger and the stakes being risen to the members of the LST. What that will do, it makes you super fucking horny. I guess so. Because you know, you know the ends coming. You know the juices are going, DeMombra's getting better looking and better looking.

Each week you go. No, he's not. I mean, he's got that sword. He's waving it around. He's got that nice cape. I guess so. They always go with this route here. Yeah.

First, members were told to prepare for the end of the world, but the cool thing to look forward to was that the members of the LST were the only ones special enough to be survivors. So they'd have the whole planet to themselves or at the very least Quebec. That's great. They could live in an apocalyptic war zone in Quebec. How wonderful. No, Quebec would stay nice. Quebec would stay nice.

That's what they're trying to say. Oh, okay. Both Jure and DeMombra said they learned about all this during their revelations and these revelations surrounded four sacred objects. The Holy Grail, the original menorah. The original. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Not the like one that you lied at Hanukkah that's got, I think, like eight candles. Oh, don't even start it. You don't know. We don't know. Before we say it, we do not know. Well, that's what, no, it's got eight because it's eight crazy nights, right? That is an Adam Sandler movie. That is not.

Perhaps. Yes. Yes. But I do believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually a great movie. I like it. It's animated.

Yeah. I like the rap. He's cute. It's really funny. Yeah, I think this one's got six. It's like the one that was in the first temple. I thought it had nine. Don't know.

Anyway, the original menorah is one of them. Mark of the Covenant. And the sword Excalibur. Fuck you. All the nerd clips. Such nerds. All the nerd clips are being rubbed here. Excalibur.

It's really nice. Yeah. And the world was going to end in late 1993, early 1994, or thereabouts. Okay. But as the 80s marched on, Gere and Demombro slowly began to move away from the idea of the OST inheriting the earth. By the late 80s, the buzzword around the cult was transit. Okay.

Beep, beep. In transit, an OST member would leave their physical bodies and travel on a death voyage by a path of fire to a planet orbiting the star Sirius. It's like the fucking... It's like Independence Day. Yeah, dude. But this stuff... This is old.

This is old thought. Yeah. So this Sirius stuff has been around for... I mean, Madame Blavatsky popularized it, but it's been around for quite a bit. These guys are just taking old stuff and re-presenting it. It seems like it's getting a little dangerous here once we talk about transit. Yeah. This is like esoteric stuff.

It's all a mashup culture. It's like a Girl Talk album. Interesting. I don't know what that means, but it's interesting. Yeah. And you know Girl Talk, right? What's it called? It's a guy that mashes up a whole bunch of pop songs to make new songs.

What's it called? Girl Talk. He's a DJ. He's a DJ. Oh, he's a DJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just mashup. You know, the guy...

That's beatboxing. That's beatboxing, not DJing. Yeah. Well, the Order of the Solar Temple considered transit to be a purifying ordeal through which members returned to the Grand White Lodge of Sirius. But the thing was, even though they talked a big game to most members, transit was not a concrete thing. I mean, a lot of them thought that transit was a metaphor for a change of consciousness.

Or at the very most, like walking through a magic mirror, or like taking a trip on a spaceship. These people... I mean, just as likely. Yeah, sure. But these people, they're already rich, except for some, that they are already doing... I just don't understand. Why?

What were they so bitchy about? It's finding money. It's finding meaning in life. Like they want some sort of meaning. It's something to do. Get another yacht! No, buddy. It really is about meaning, and it's the mixture.

When you get everybody in the room, that's one thing that's like... It's important when we approach cults, and like what we've learned, is that even these people can be super fucking vulnerable. You have this whole group of people that are all... They're all bolstering each other up, and it seems for a while, they're not... It's not that they're taking it seriously, it's that they've grown to trust D'Amombro and Gere, and this idea of being like, well, they're not going to hurt us. They look at how evolved they are when it cuts to D'Amombro, being like, I do not even

need the mirror to trim my moustache, I do it with my... I feel it with my tongue, and I just cut it where my tongue hits it. But there are a lot of ways to find meaning in life that don't involve you committing suicide and then going to another place where John Candy wanted to find meaning in life. He just bought a CFL team, and then he was really, really into it. But these guys were not... That's what we're saying, is that the vast majority of them were not interested in committing suicide.

Like when they heard about transit, they were like, oh, it's a metaphor. It's a change of consciousness, because I think for a lot of people, like the Order of the Solar Temple, it was a social club. You know, it's like some people joined country clubs and go golfing. These nerds joined an esoteric secret society and performed rituals in basements. Okay. And they played upon the very nature of an esoteric group. The very nature of a mystery school is that everything is parable for actual concrete

information. So when they hear transit, they're expecting, like, in a way, it's a symbolic thing. All of it's... Because it's all supposed to be symbolic, but they didn't know that they had their back park at being like, we're going to fucking kill all these people. Well, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Everyone thinks that they're like...

Everyone always projects more intelligence than their leaders actually have onto their leaders. And it's like, I guess, keep it vague. Yeah. That's what you're going to do as a cult leader, I guess. Yeah. No one thought in the 80s that the whole path of fire part was eventually going to be real. No one thought that.

The 80s were a great time, too. TV was starting to get good. Man in a P.I. Was out there solving crimes. Colombo was badass. TJ Hooker? TJ Hooker! I mean, my goodness.

TJ Sex Worker, please. Yes. And now, when it comes to this story, too, though, what I think, though, is it's a gradual understanding. The unconscious, subconscious knowledge that Demambra knew that he was going to lead them all down the fact, the ones that were the true adepts, the 15 immortals that would end up being in the top ranks that would help kill everybody else, they knew what the thing was from the very beginning.

But they're also very egotistical themselves, huh? Yeah. So they're all egomaniacs in their own right. Oh, yeah. And there were definitely hints throughout the 80s that things were a little more serious with transit than people thought. His Demambra bro, he was telling everyone, you got to be on 24-hour alert for transit to serious.

All the time. I might call you up. Transit might happen tomorrow. So always be around the phone. Always let us know where you are at all times so you can be ready to go. Not good. And you had Jere saying shit like this. Quote.

Liberation is not where human beings think it is. Death can represent an essential stage of life. Oh, this is getting bad. I don't like where it's heading. But most OST members didn't have September of 1994 marked on their calendars as their time to die. I mean, as we said, most of these people just enjoyed the community aspect, the exclusivity, and of course, like the fun ritual of the whole thing.

Like, unfortunately though, we don't know a hell of a whole lot about their rituals or their day to day operations, because as we stressed in the first episode, this was a secret society and they were damn good at keeping just enough secrets to keep themselves mysterious. Okay. But there were a couple of defectors, including our man Terry, and defecting actually had a ritual all of its own. When a person left the order of the solar temple, the order would either boil their belongings,

set them on fire, or just put them in garbage bags. Honestly, it's very cleansing to do if you have an X or somebody like that that you don't want to. It's really good to get rid of all their stuff and a sort of symbolic fire. It helps. But it's not the, you know, one of the opening scenes in the movie Dirty Work, which is a totally underrated comedy. Hugely underrated comedy.

With Norm McDonald's girlfriend is throwing all of his shit out, including his popcorn machine. This is much more nefarious than that. Yeah. No, no, they were just trying to get rid of them. And actually the ones that got out that had their shit fucking set on fire were really lucky. Yeah, but why would they even, what does that smell like?

When you're boiling all this guy's fucking sweaty ass shoes, nasty ass clothes? It's just a part of, it's just part of life, man. It's part of the fucking circle of life you've seen Lion King. You know someone tried it. You know somebody had a little spoon of that soup, you know what happens. Just to taste it. Yeah, you know. See, garbage bags were an important order accoutrement as they represented the pollution

of the earth and garbage bags were also used to represent traitors because anyone who left the group was naturally a traitor and trash. And trash. And trash. So they're punny with it now. They're real punny with it. In fact, they used garbage bags on regular members as well. In one particularly goofy ritual, Gere would force people to wear plastic bags over their

heads as a symbol of their alienation from nature. Check please. Yes. Yes. Let's do it. But you could see it in the very structure of their chalets. The original, the way I imagine in my head is that you kind of have these sermons that are done.

By the way, chalets are little Swiss cabins. They're nice. They're nice. And today's dad moment, brought to you by Marcus Parks. It's nice that he did. Some people don't know. I didn't know. I had to look up.

I knew a chalet was a structure of some kind, but I don't have it in my head what a chalet was. I was mocked when I was maybe a sophomore. We were driving. My friend Charlie, I said, oh, there's a cheese chalet. And he's like, it's chalet. And they didn't let me live that down for a long time. I thought it was a hard tea.

And if you ever eat at there, they have a Boston market in Canada that's called Swiss chalet, which is kind of fucked up now that you think about it because it's literally rotisserie chicken place. And now you know it's like they made a real Swiss chalet in the order of the solar temple, which is fucked. Weird. But you could see that they did like a sermon up top, but then they had their downstairs cathedral where the real shit happened.

So you would be up there for a while and then be like, but now it's time for an exercise. Let's all go downstairs. And then they would do these little lessons. If you learn anything from the Rosa Crucians, they would do that kind of, they seem to steal a lot from their pattern where they'd have like a theme. And then you're also talking, you are slowly bringing different groups in to do one club will come in one level of initiation will go, then the next level will go in. They're all coming out seeing like, we saw incredible things.

Now you know that you want to get to the next level of an initiation because you want to see what they fucking saw. But if you just see this from the outside world, you just see a bunch of idiots with garbage bangs on their heads. Yes. It's like acting school. Sure. Have you ever seen the lawns outside of a theater department?

It's awful. We did terrible things for years. I spent tens of thousands of dollars rolling around pretending to be a tree. All the garbage bags, bullshit, like that wasn't even close to their goofiest customs. Okay. Each member had a special chair and no one could sit in anyone else's chair, lest they contaminate their own energy with someone else's butt. How could you make this more of an ass Jackie Colt?

Oh, assigned seating. That'll do. Yeah. Yeah, because if you sit on someone else's butt, see, you get their butt energy. Their butt energy gets in your butt. There's butt energy. Yeah. All right.

You fucking idiot. No, I don't sit in your chair, but I'm mostly just because of your horrible farts. What are you talking about? Oh, are you mocking my recliner that I have at home? Which I do sit in nude on a regular basis. Don't sit in it. All right. These guys, they were also required to wash lettuce seven times before serving it every

time. Okay, OST, change it to OCD. What is going on? And they could only walk on grass with bare feet. But as far as the rituals went, defectors said that the OST leaders regularly used hallucinogens in their rituals, which are usually done under a full moon while wearing movie quality medieval ropes. They didn't know that it kind of worked, that it started with them.

It's real light. And then they have once a month, these specific rituals, were like, this shit's serious. Because they would go out there, they're all taken the fucking sacrament and staring at Jare who they could not look in the eye because he would become the Christ during these moments. These rituals done in OST clubhouses across Switzerland and Quebec were highly theatrical. They had slides, they had lasers, and they had seemingly impossible visions. It was said that all of the holy relics, the grail, the Excalibur, the menorah, and the ark, would materialize at the command of Damamro or Jare.

And there was a B team as well. The smaller, less impressive ceremonies were run by what they called regional commanders. Which I'm sure sounds much, it's one of those things that probably sounds better when it's like, come on down, reach it out. These guys were the heads of the separate lodges, and were also members of the elder brothers of the Rosie Cross. The Rosie Cross? Yeah.

We don't want to get into that. Their orders came from Damamro who received his orders from the Zurich Masters, which the order called the Synerchy of the Temple, or Synerchy, one of the two. It's setting the seat of going down there and you're tripping balls on acid. Maybe you know you're on acid, maybe you don't. If you look at the actual pictures of their ritual room, it looked like a giallo film. It was stark reds and chrome, and these giant mirrors, you sit in these little congregational chairs, you got fucking Damamro doing like, wigging out moves, like doing the classic

like, whoa am I touching your face? Am I touching your face? Like that kind of shit. And he's like, behold, it's the Holy Grail. And then the Holy Grail just appears behind him, in the mirrors. And you just got a whole room of people going, oh shit, oh shit, like see this actually sounds kind of fun. Yeah.

Why can't they just leave it at that? And why don't these cults just stop and be like, and there that was, and now go back to being a normal person and come back next month. Well, what we don't. They're charging a cover. I don't think what we don't realize is that there are actually hundreds of these organizations, these esoteric organizations that have existed throughout the centuries. There are plenty of people around that are doing this type of shit and are having a fucking

great time with it. Right, and then just go back to working at Chase Bank and approaching Henry whenever he talks about aliens. Yeah, it's just that this one happened to get a little hot near the end. There was no ritual more important to these guys though, or at least none that we know of than the Templar Ritual, conducted by DiMombro himself. The whole thing was kicked off by a guided meditation first, which was then followed by Alice Bailey's Great Invocation, which Henry will now read.

From the point of light within the mind of God, let light stream forth into the minds of men. Let light descend on earth from the point of love within the heart of God. Let love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to earth from the center where the will of God is known. Let purpose guide the little wills of man. The purpose with the matter's nerve and self, from the center which we will call the race of man.

Let the plan of love and light work out and may it seal the door with evil dwells. Let light and love in power destroy the plan on earth. If Christ did return, his mind would be blown by garbage bags alone. What is that? Is that plastic? Quit rustling. Everyone should steal. I cannot concentrate on the invocation when you are rustling like the most beautiful thing

I've ever seen in the world. That is from a film called American Beauty. Oh yeah. Well, think of it this way. I mean, you've just had a coffee cup filled with a nice cuppa and a whole bunch of acid. A bunch of acid. You're sitting there, you're starting to get going with the hallucinogens. You're starting to peek a little bit.

Right. D'Amombro's reading the shit, the lights are coming down, lasers are starting to shoot out of the fucking walls, and unfortunately, we don't really know what the actual ritual was. They just sit there and they trip their fucking nuts off. We're not sure exactly how they went through it, you know, and what all the steps were. I mean, we got bits and pieces. Like we know that sometimes D'Amombro would let people hold his sword, that he said was

a genuine Templar artifact given to him in a previous life. Dude, he had a fucking- That's what you do with a bunch of roomful people on acid. Give them a weapon. See what happens. Honestly, man, it's a nerd's dream. You're talking about a nerd's dream. They're all scared of him with his sword.

He's up there going like, they get to take it and they're like, oh, cool, instead of being like, I'm going to go. That's normally what happens when you're on a date and you show somebody your swords. Yes. But even though this all sounds goofy, as cult stuff always does, we do know that the visions D'Amombro produced in his rituals were fantastically realistic, although it probably comes as no surprise that they were all a complete and total fabrication. They were all the work of a special effects guy named Tony DuTois, who helped D'Amombro

pull the wool over everyone's eyes for the greater good. Hey, D'Amombro, you want a cup? A period of tea? Hey, 3 p.m. I got you a cup. Hey, Tony always does. Don't you worry about me, my friend? I make a fake cup. I make a real cup.

I do all of my bullshit to my fucking truck, bro. So he's got a tech guy. He's got a tech guy and he had a fantastic tech guy. I couldn't find a whole lot of information on Tony DuTois' background. Like I don't know if this guy, if his background was in like stage production or if he worked on movies or what. But this guy, who seems to be a relatively small part of the OST's operation, he's eventually going to be the pivot to this whole fucking story.

But the visions weren't even close to the end of the River of Bullshit coming from D'Amombro and Jure. Jure would walk around the room curing non-existent cancers, touching people and saying, you had cancer. I just cured it. Wow. It's like Oprah. Yeah, you got it.

Now you don't. I don't have it. See? No kidding. See how much happier you are? You didn't know you had cancer. Now you don't have it anymore. I don't even have it.

You never knew. But now you don't. I don't have it. I love this. Now one member said that when Jure looked at her, it felt as if his third eye had penetrated her body. Well another said that he shared knowledge with her just by touching her forehead with a single finger.

Magic fucking French touch, dude. I don't want to have this in America. Our fingers are too big and wet. Yeah. I don't want to be like a total skeptic here, but maybe it was the fucking acid. Maybe it's the acid, not D'Amombro's disgusting finger. Acid always helps. Just ask Charles Manson.

I mean, acid is. I mean, it doesn't help if you want to have a productive life or like a family. It helps if you want to convince people that you're God. Yes, it does. Yeah, man, which is the goal. And honestly, that's why just look in the mirror and realize you are your own God. Yeah, exactly. Because that's what we've always done on acid.

Yeah, exactly. And it's also worth mentioning that it's estimated that two-thirds of the Order of the Solar Temple were women. And of course, it wasn't long before sex became a central part of the OST's rituals. It's pretty easy to figure out which members of the OST were fucking. Yeah, I mean, you can tell I fuck. Look at my leather jacket. Yeah, with the men, wear a leather jacket if he was not simply slick to the touch with

the pussy juice. Excuse me. I have some kind of chicken wing stuck in my mustache. Cool guys all around. Azuray started telling people in the late 80s that his quote-unquote spiritual strength was running low. And in order to summon the strength that he needed to conduct rituals, he absolutely needed to have sex with the female member of his choosing immediately before that ritual was

done. Isn't that such... It's just an interesting cure. Some people get on an exercise bike, but my God, wouldn't you believe it, I have to have sex with you. I have to have sex with you. I don't even make this stuff up. The Knights Templar told me.

Aren't you scared? These guys even managed to work a little sexiness into the rituals themselves. One member testified to a ritual in which two women undressed as Wagner played in the background. When they got down to their undies, a light bulb fell from a spotlight, severed the head of a rose, and smashed to the floor. And when the glass broke, Demombrough pulled out his special little Templar sword and yelled, By the powers vested in me, I trace the protective circle around this holy assembly.

And with that, the special effects stopped, and Demombrough looked to be responsible. Fuck yeah dude. Look at this thing I made happen, and I made it stop. Wow. Honestly though, that's so... Oh man. Honestly, it's a great idea. I want this for my 40th birthday.

We do that for ya. It's such a fun set up. I know it's all bad, it all ends bad, but the lead up, like if I would just keep this cooking at this level. We'll do it, but it'll be Marcus and Henry and I in our underwear, and then we'll just have Holden come and chop a rose in half, and I mean it won't look the same, but there you go fucking man, I fucking chopped the head off the fucking rose dude, so can I go? Holden me Neely, check out his show, Whistler to the Producer.

But Demombrough and Jere didn't limit their intrusion into the sex lives of their congregation to their own pants. Demombrough had continued his practice of pairing up couples, sometimes breaking up marriages in the process, putting together people that he deemed, quote-unquote, cosmically compatible. You are a very big woman, I'd like to see how big you are, very tall, very good, tiny man, fucker, make a medium child. So Demombrough is like Ashley Madison, just breaking up relationships for love that doesn't really exist.

Yeah, it's just like you guys aren't good together, so you're not even good together, you just say the two of you aren't cosmically compatible, they could be in a happy relationship, you say, it's a way to control the congregation, it's a way to control everyone by saying, I mean it's controlling the most intimate part of their life, their marriage. It's like you guys get, you guys, well, split up and then you get with him and you get with her. And like for an example, Terry Eugenol, he was one such person whose marriage was ripped apart by Joe Demombrough.

How the fudge, I used up my quota of F words, how the hell as a man do you let a woman another man, short and dumpy, looking like soup poured into a bag, how do you let him break up your relationship? Psychologically powerful. You see, this is the thing, you still malign the short of the dumpy, you don't understand the type of links that the short and the dumpy have to do to take over this fucking planet of ours, which unfortunately there's a lot of us that are in very key places on the planet earth.

And what it is, I mean, you've already bought in so far, you're already wearing capes, you're already taking acid, you're already hanging out a lot at the Swiss chalet and there's no rotisserie chicken there for you and you are, so at a certain point to say no to him means it's all been wrong. Yeah. How many years of marinating would it take for someone to be like, yeah, you're right, I don't like this woman that I love? When this happened to Terry, it'd been about a decade, about 10 years.

Oh, geez. Yeah, but never underestimate the power of humiliation or the power of possible humiliation because people will go to such great links to never admit they were ever wrong and to never be humiliated. Sure. And just for example, like Terry, in 1989, his wife, Natalie, she started to get a little fed up with the life in the order, she was done with it. Right.

So she suggested to Terry, let's get the fuck out of here, let's take the kids, let's go. Yeah, you had fun, you did the acid. Yeah, everything's fine, but you know, but they were also, and they were living on $150 a month. So she's like, let's get out of here, stop giving them all of your fucking money. So when Terry told D'Amombro about this, D'Amombro said, dude, this is perfect. You know why?

Because I just found your cosmic wife like yesterday. Wow. Yeah, dude. You know what you can do? Fucking get rid of Natalie, get rid of her. Take Mariel. Oh my goodness. And by the end of the day, Natalie had been excommunicated and thrown out of the order,

and by that night, that fucking night, Mariel had taken her place in bed next to Terry, all while the kids were still living in the next room over. Jeez, okay. Well, I guess that's from the book of how to fuck up your kids. Yeah. And I just used the F word again. Wow. How to fudge up your kids, you mean?

That is disgusting. How to fudge up your kids. Yeah, this is not the Children of God series. Do not mention that ever again. J.I.T. have just them all covered with stuff that looks like chocolate, you know? The cosmic marriages weren't the only thing that D'Amombro brought with him from the old days of the foundation of the Golden Way.

That was his cult before the Order of the Solar Temple. He also brought along the concept of cosmic children. These children were said to be the ones who were going to usher in a new age. I got to go to the bathroom, Daddy. I got to go to the bathroom, Daddy. We're not in that case yet. Shut the fuck up. I tell you what.

You're certainly not the cosmic anymore. This is done. I see a new child. Daddy, I need to pay for cosmic college. I don't have any money. You know I got fired. There was no coincidence that the cosmic children belonged to either D'Amombro or J.I.T. Even though they were said to be a product of theogamy, which was a marriage between

the gods. Yeah. The first child he said was, he had, what's it the immaculate conception? Oh. He didn't even fuck his wife. Yeah. D'Amombro said that his first child, Ellie, was supposedly conceived under the direction of the Masters of Zurich in Israel during the vernal equinox.

Okay. Push in and out. Push in and out. Empty your balls. My young squire. Thanks. And the second child was born of a woman who could possibly be described as D'Amombro's very own Scarlet Lady.

She sounds fucking spicy, dude. Yeah. Her name was Dominique Bellaton. Okay. And she was only 19 years old when she fell in with Joe D'Amombro, who was in his, I think, 50s or 60s? I think he's in his 60s. Yeah.

And upon seeing D'Amombro for the first time, D'Amombro immediately told her that she was the reincarnation of the Egyptian queen Hachipsut. Hachipsut, and he took her as his mistress. It is such a lame pickup line. Of course, 19-year-old girls would be like, oh, that's wonderful. Wow. I don't know why they sound like a 90-year-old dancer. Oh, no.

That's wonderful. I was just, oh, yeah, I was just watching my program. Oh, your mustache is certainly tickling my undercarriage. Yeah, I know. So a few years later, Dominique had become pregnant, and she and D'Amombro declared that the child had been immaculately conceived as the arch-child, the avatar, the new Christ. They had even acted out the immaculate conception in one of the ritual rooms with a laser beam. Oh, my gosh.

Telling everyone that the beam shinin' onto Dominique's, okay. Oh, push, push, push, push. All right, Larry and David. The seed of one of the Ascended Masters. Then you have the guy on the lasers just like, all right, and really just got to zap that clit here. All right. Larry and D'Amombro, did you get on your hands and knees and just blow on the labia?

Just a little bit more. That's good for effect. Wow. This is very theatrical stuff. Extremely so, yeah. They said that the seed was shot in by the Ascended Masters, but it was also somehow going to be Joe D'Amombro's mother reborn. Meanwhile, just cut to an airline pilot with a laser in his eyes as he crashes into the

woods. I should have turned the laser off. Oh, no, I got some future come on me. I'm going to crash this plane. Once these children were born, they were never allowed to play with children outside the order lest their energy be, quote, mingled. So they're getting crazy. They're getting crazy, and five of these kids would eventually be born, but only four would

survive the year 1994. So it was with these beliefs and rituals that the order of the solar temple reached its apex in 1989 with 442 members. 90 were in Switzerland, 187 were in France, 86 were in Quebec, 53 were in Martinique, 10 were in Spain, and we only had 16 here in the States. And then just like one really sad loser in Montana, just the middle of nowhere. Oh, wait, are not Templar leaders, and I will issue to them and show them the corn in which I grow with the power of the ancients.

But you know what, these were the salad days. This is when all this was fucking cooking, man. This was fucking jamming right now, dude. Yeah, 1989 was like, this ride ain't ever going to end. Nah, now with the election of George H.W. Bush, we're keeping it going, boys. And this height was when Jarre backed some of his most impressive recruits. Between 1987 and 1989, Jarre managed to nab a number of high-ranking employees at a hydroelectric utility called Hydro-Quebec through a series of motivational speeches.

Cigarette had been brought in to speak by Hydro-Quebec's projects manager Jean-Pierre Venet, who was already a high-ranking member of the order. And these speeches, I mean, actually, it was pretty standard, like corporate fare, you know, it's speeches like the meaning of life and self-realization in management. Oh, God, I'm going to shoot myself in the head. No, dude. And then he brought his spiritual energy to them. And then he says, like, how do you use expense reports to get to come on your G's, you know,

it's like all that kind of shit, where he's like, he's trying to flip it for him. And these executives, they would listen to the speeches and then, you know, what is it, Venet would walk up to him and is like, hey, you know, if you want to hear more, you can come on out to the chalet, and then by the time Jarre was done with his run of motivational speeches at Hydro-Quebec, he'd recruited 15 executives and managers into this yuppie cult. Oh, my God. I mean, it played right into their fucking lifestyle.

It was just, it was a really cool, exclusive club. Right. And of course, all of these people contributed heavily when it came to their finances. One Time Magazine article estimated that during Jarre and DeMambro's relatively short reign as leaders of the solar temple, like 10 years or so, they amassed a nest egg of cash and assets gained from followers that was worth $93 million. Man, they should have just grabbed the cash and have just disappeared into South America. Like I don't, I don't understand.

That's a part of it. We'll be endlessly debating this where it's like they could have just left and they could have just been a part of the esoteric hall of fame with Alice Bailey and all these people and it would have been fine. Well, do you think that there is something, because corporate life is human suffering? Yeah. It is soulless. It is a nightmare.

Jordan Belfort, Wolf of Wall Street, which was again on television, Henry, I see your face all the time. Man, I got a couple of cents. Yeah, you did do well with that. But do you think it's because their lives are so soulless? Like if you work in a corporate office every single day, there's nothing there for you. So maybe they're more susceptible to a guy like this being like, you can get all the profits you want and now here's some spirituality to go along.

Your baguette's power, the whole thing is you want more power. Like I don't know if you've necessarily a corporate existence means you are dead in the inside. Oh, it does. I think a part of it is you know what it takes to make money as humanly possible and you're willing to put your humanity to the side to do that. Sure. And if anyone listening in an office right now, thank you for listening and you're not

soulless whatsoever. Yeah. We have a lot of listeners. Good cover, Kissel. Yeah, really good cover. Yeah. And don't malign the extremely rich too much. How else are we going to get six flags on us?

All I want is we need more millionaires to listen to the show. The things about all the money that came in to the cult, this is where the turn came. They made too much money. Wait, are you telling me that money corrupted a situation? See as we said before, some people like Terry Eugenon were given their entire salaries over to DeMombro and Jarray while they themselves were living on less than 200 bucks a month. Now this wasn't everyone in the cult because it tends to kind of ruin some of the allure if everyone in the cult is suddenly poor.

Right. But by draining some of them, while guzzling a fair amount from others, DeMombro and Jarray were living the high life. DeMombro owned 12 houses and had a personal bank account that numbered in the high six figures. What? And this was all while he and Jarray were banging just about every woman in the order whenever they wanted.

Jeez. Naturally, this led to some bad feelings. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, some people get upset when you have two Freddie Mercury's in the group. I watch Bohemian Rhapsody and the rest of them just have silly hair. That is you. And by the time the 90s rolled around, things started to fall apart for the order of the solar temple.

One of the first cracks appeared when DeMombro's own children began rebelling against the group, some of these cosmic kids. Yeah. In 1990, Iliodemombro just happened to stumble upon his father's prop closet. Oh, nothing is sadder when a sketch comedian is revealed. Can you imagine being the kid of this guy going through the teenage years, you hate your parents no matter what, and then you got that guy as a dad? Yeah.

When Elio opened the door, he found a treasure trove of ritual paraphernalia. He found the sordic scallop, he found the holy grail, I mean, and this was just, usually, all this stuff was supposed to have materialized from the ethereal plane, and Elio opens the closet and it's just a couple, it's just plastic. Just in a rubber made. Yeah, it's just rubber made. Instead, in storage. Dad, dad, I found the holy grail in your closet and also this big rubber butt.

Why just a butt? I hate to, I'm sorry son, I should have told you earlier, I am a sketch comedian. No! No! When Elio saw this, he told as many people as he could before leaving the order forever and he took around a dozen high ranking members with him. After this, Demombro changed tack. See, Demombro for a while, he had a pretty tolerant and open style leadership, people

could give him criticisms, he'd listen to it, but then after that incident, after people started to leave, he turned a hell of a lot more authoritarian. Because of this, things weren't so much fun in the yuppie cult anymore, so people started leaving in droves. Elio Demombro kept a few of the higher ranking members through blackmail. He told watch executive Camille P.A. that if he left, Demombro would let it slip that P.A. had been fucking Luc Jarray. Woah!

Although I got no idea if that's actually true or not, right? I mean, they were doing a little touch and a little kiss and a little spirit French and they were in the chalet and they just saw the grail, like, I mean, honestly, a lot of things happen. Sure, sure. It was not that big of a secret, even if someone did say that, it'd be like, okay. I guess in 1990, maybe there was, I mean, things were a lot different, it was a lot different back then.

It sounds like it was real. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. And speaking of Jarray, he was starting to lose it as well. By 1990, Jarray was much more interested in the ritual preamble fuck sessions than the rituals themselves. Did Jarray go through a fat Jim Morrison phase? Please tell me he gained like 30 pounds.

No, he went through a disheveled phase, definitely near the end, and his behavior was just getting erratic. Because a lot of the members felt that his predictions for the end of the world were getting just a little too specific for their comfort. And they were also getting a little weirded out about how tight of a hold Jarray had on some of the other followers. Physical grip on some of his followers. And I mean, they're starting to look around and they're starting to see like, okay, this

is going from like a fun esoteric society to a cult. So to say the word Oprah again, they're having their aha moments. Yes. Yes, they absolutely are. So in 1991, the Canadian branch of the Order of the Solar Temple voted out Jarray as Canadian Grandmaster. You're no longer King Nerd. Oh no.

It's his moose horns taken away, which is so sad. And they replaced him with Robert Fadaldo, who is Quebec's Minister of Finances. These are higher ranking government officials. Yeah, dude, today it's a big fucking jump. Oh my God. Okay, so they're way, this is Umschenrikyo stuff where they actually have government officials involved. I see how you're there, you're running the Order of the Solar Temple.

They're keeping a tight grip on your followers, but you know, I gotta say, the way you should be doing it is you should be, you really got to come at it with the quicken, you need to use quicken. You really understand how to, how to lead a group of people there, I'll show you. Wow. But there were still people in Quebec listening to what Jarray had to say, even though he'd been demoted. And Jarray suddenly had a new message familiar to cult leaders everywhere.

Arm yourself. Uh-oh. However, Jarray's message has been blown somewhat out of proportion over the years. Because it makes for a better story. Sure. It does make it seem like Jarray was stockpiling an arsenal like Branch Davidian style, had like machine guns and RPGs and grenades and all that shit. Right, cool stuff, yeah.

But in reality, Jarray just sent like two of his dudes to buy a couple of guns, like illegal guns. There's a documentary called Witness about Order of the Solar Temple that has one of the men that went to buy these guns. Okay. And the men he sent is still, the guy who spoke in the documentary is one of my favorite cult survivors I've ever seen, because he literally was like, and then what, you know, what Luke said, for me to go and find him a gun.

And he said, I was like, give one of those things that make it go pew-pew on it. I was like, you're gonna have a silencer? And he was like, yes. And I was like, okay. All right. And so he acted like it was a fun, like little jaunt. So I went and I asked a police officer, how do I buy a gun? He just straight up asked the fuck, he just asked people how to buy guns.

And he just happened to be speaking to an undercover police officer who's like, all right, I hope you get a gun. And he's like, ooh, yes, this is easier than I thought. If Christopher Guest directed this entire thing, it could be really fun and hilarious. This guy's Christopher Guest character in Waiting for Guffman, and he's going to try to buy an illegal gun. It was about March of 93, and this guy's name is Herman DeLorm. Love him.

And Jean-Pierre Venet from Hydro-Quebec, they went out, they tried to buy a couple of semi-automatic silenced weapons. And the first person they found was an informant for the Quebec police. I tell you what, I found a perfect line on a man with a gun. I met him, he seemed to be like wearing a lot of like, it seemed to be like an armor underneath his clothes, but it was still funny, it was so thick. It was fun to talk to a big, thick guy. And then he just told me to speak right into his lapel, because that's how he takes the

order. Of course. You always know it's an undercover officer here in New York, if they're really into the Yankees. Or the Rangers. Yeah, really. They're full head to toe, like they dressed in the morning and be like, what do people dress like?

Yeah. I know what they like. The Yankees. Yeah, you see a guy wearing a Rangers jersey in July on the train, that's an undercover cop. Yes. Or Mario Lemieux. So these two guys, I mean, they were just scooped up in a sting operation immediately.

So they went to the cops, so the undercover cop had the easiest day of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they scooped up Luke Jarre and this whole thing as well, because he told them to go get the guns. But the thing was, I mean, nobody did any jail time, and in fact, I mean, this whole thing was kind of handled in just about the most Canadian way possible, although it's not necessarily a bad thing, how they handled it. I mean, each of the three guys, they just ordered them to pay like $1,000 to the Red

Cross, they're like, get out of here. Oh, you'll give us $1,000 to the Red Cross, that's charity, no poutine for two weeks. No poutine. No poutine. You might as well kill me and my family then. Well, that's up to you to decide if you want to do that. No poutine for two weeks, it's order of the queen. You know what, I take it back, you can have the poutine.

I didn't mean to make you upset. Thank you. Afterward, Vinay, he got fired from Hydro-Quebec, while DeLorm, he got spooked after that. He just left the group completely, just in the nick of time. And as we said, now speaks candidly in documentaries about his time in the order, like it was just a lark of his life. That was the craziest summer I've ever experienced, and I also, I did tour with Scorpions for a while, I followed them around, so yeah, I had a couple of fun summers.

Scorpion, not bad. They asked him about like the final days of the call, he's like, you know what, I'm not sure if I would have like, you know, killed myself, but you know, I might have killed someone else. I might have done it. I might have done it. I don't know, I have to think about it for a second, but you know, I might have killed someone else.

Yep, that's when you, that's when you like, when you're sitting at the bar, you just try to find like an empty spot to stare, where you're like, oh, okay, great to hear. Because of this incident, with all the guns and everything, investigators started looking deeper into the order of the solar temple, because they thought that there was a possibility that these guys were involved with a very real terrorist group called Q37, who had just threatened to kill Quebec's public security minister, Claude Ryan, which I do believe Jarre wanted to happen. He wanted connections to these other terrorist groups.

You remember Jarre came from all of this world of right wing thought as well. Like all kind of was like, but he was a part of these very intense reactionary groups before this. So I think he liked the mystery of all this and it allowed the per the idea of persecution and what is a cult love more than to be hated because then it gives them a reason to exist. You imagine him trying to entertain a gang, just be like, I would love to be a part of your gang. They're serious.

Yeah. They don't wear robes. No, these guys, I mean, this is a full on terrorist group, right? But you know, the cops, they raided one of the orders club houses in Saint-Solvière and they investigated all the possible ties to Q37, including the bombing of two hydro Quebec transmission towers the year before, but they never found any link between Q37 and the OST. And that's the link between Q37 and the OST.

That's a big like wink, wink, nudge, nudge when people talk about the cult because it makes them seem like a little bit more dangerous than they really were. But there was no connection whatsoever found. But even though the Canadian government completely abandoned any investigation into the OST because they figured, OK, this is just a bunch of rich assholes playing dress up. We don't really need to get involved in this. That initial investigation, that only heightened the paranoia that was already festering below the surface in both DeMauro and Jauré.

Do you think a reality TV show could have saved everything? Because it doesn't think it's so theatrical. Because then you have to find out who gets producer credits, who gets executive producer credits, who's an associate producer. It's a lot of problems. OK. The thing was like DeMauro and Jauré, they actually, they seem to be like best buds till the end.

They loved each other. Like DeMauro, he always had full confidence in Jauré. And when Jauré got kicked out of his grand mastership in Canada, like DeMauro was behind him the whole time. He was telling like, you guys don't need to do this, but you know, they were voted out nonetheless. Well, what I had heard was that they did have some complications between the two of them because DeMauro, in many ways, felt that he was, DeMauro thought that everything was

cool as long as he was involved. He thought Jauré's involvement in the Canadian OST and the shit that, because Jauré was doing the, his big fuck circle in Canada. And DeMauro, I think, seemed to, was the way he was presented in one article I was reading, was almost jealous because DeMauro wants to make sure of like, he can't be doing extra fucking. And what I heard is that DeMauro was behind Jauré completely when the Canadian OST brought him down.

Well, nonetheless, it wasn't too extreme for it to be a big, the band, Levon versus Robbie Robertson Blower. It was, it was relatively, like, it was a minor, if it was a kerfluffle, it was a minor kerfluffle. Okay. That would make sense though. I would understand that. Yeah. I was surprised they did so well.

Yeah. It was definitely a minor kerfluffle. Like they, these two guys never seemed to have any like huge arguments. Okay. Disagreements, yes. They were real Bert and Ernie. Yeah. Okay.

So like, but like, when you know when Bert and Ernie are like, they're, they're sharing a woman because they basically said that they were, they were not gay. It says on the street. I don't know if they did. And so, you know, they were always sticking, because you traded it out where one guy's fucking her for a while, the other guy comes in and he's very, so their penises have touched a bunch. Hmm.

Hmm. Yeah. That's what Bert and Ernie always did. They always shared women. Well, after the raid, a lot of the more loyal OST members followed DeMombro and Jauré back to Switzerland, where they all settled into a nice stew of paranoia because they now believed that they were somehow a persecuted group. Oh.

And this is from one of DeMombro's diaries. We don't know when they might close the trap on us. A few days, a few weeks, we are being followed and spied upon in our every move. Because the cars are equipped with tracing and listening devices, all of their most sophisticated techniques are being used on us. While in the house, beware of surveillance cameras, lasers, and infrared, our file is the hottest on the planet, the most important of the last 10 years, if not of this century. And this played into the cult's own narrative perfectly, because they'd been telling each

other for a decade that they were the most special people on earth, they were the chosen people, and now they had a persecution complex to go along with it. And as we know, a powerful group who convinces themselves that they're being persecuted can be extremely dangerous. Now, the OST had definitely gotten some bad press in Quebec after the gun incident, which caused membership to drop even further. In just a few years, from like 83, from 89 to 93, the annual income of the group from membership dues dropped from almost 500,000 francs to 89,000.

And DeMombro's health was failing as well. In 1994, DeMombro was 70 years old, riddled with cancer and diabetes, an incontinent to the point where he had to constantly wear an adult diaper. A lot of people say I'm seeking it, maybe I cannot control my poo poo, but my diaper is made of leather, so you know that I still look stylish and young. I can't wait, man, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I want an adult diaper bed. Bed? You can get one today.

Just have fun with it. You know? And it's, and it's possible that Jarray was dying as well, although we don't know this for a fact. I think that he was full of shit, but you know, well, in his book, Terry Eugenal, Eugenal, Eugenal, wrote that near the end, Luke Jarray told him, quote, I have cancer, Terry and fucked and fucked. So it seems like these guys had two choices, if you believe that Jarray was dying, one,

they could see their secret society fade further and further into obscurity until they both died of their respective diseases and their order died with them, or they could put their money where their mouth was, and they could make transit a reality. You gotta spend money to make money, because after all, they have nothing to lose. Yeah, exactly. If they're both dying, then what do they really have to lose? And furthermore, there's the paradox of the secret society, you know, really a secret society has no point unless people know that it exists.

Right. Well, it can't be cool. Yeah. It's not cool if it's not an open secret, that your society is secret. Yeah, it's like, it's kind of actually a part of like the yuppie mindset, is like you let the hoi-paloid know just enough about your secret society where they know it exists, but you also let them know that they'll never be a part of it, and they'll never know all of its secrets.

It's like the same principles like skull and bones at Yale. Right. Everyone's class on a plane. It's first class on a plane where you got the little curtain, which, you know, it doesn't cover everything, but you're like, what's on those trays? Oh, what are they? Oh, they're getting cocktails. Oh, they have their own bathroom.

Well, I got it. What is it really like? Whenever we get fortunate enough to occasionally sit first class, whatever those fancy people are eating, you're closer to the bathroom than anyone else. You can't get away from the bathroom. So someone goes in there and fucking lets you know they've been eaten. The food seems to move faster to my system on a plane. It's actually like being closer to the bathroom, so as soon as it's ready to be shit, boom.

Yeah. My goodness gracious. Yeah. And by the way, all they give people hot towels, and I don't even know what to do with it. You wash your face with it. A hot towel, a hot towel is incredibly, it's refreshing. It's not refreshing. It's a warm disease.

You don't deserve these. You don't deserve these washers. You don't deserve them. All right. All right. All right. All right. Back to the War of the Solar Temple.

If you all remember, 1994 was a busy year for cults. That was the same gear that the Branch Davidians died in a storm of fire and bullets in Waco, Texas. And it seems like this tragedy threw a bit of a turd into Duray and DeMombro's punch bowl. Could you not say turd around me? I'm wearing an adult diaper and I'm actually full of turds. I literally, I sympathize shit every single time I hear somebody talk about it.

For proof, this year is an exchange between DeMombro and Duray that was caught on tape in March of 1994. People have beaten us to the punch, you know. Well, yeah, Waco beat us to the punch. In my opinion, we should have gone six months before then. But what we'll do will be even more spectacular. So they were like, so basically Waco was Michael Jackson and OST was Farrah Fawcett. Is that what happened?

Because Farrah Fawcett really was like, I am dying and I want the cameras to be there. She wanted it. She wanted it so bad that Michael was just like, by the way, I'll take one final headline away from you. Yeah. And that's like, Waco really pissed them off because it stole their thunder. Are you? That is ridiculous.

Yeah. Okay. One of the things that like, when you listen to some of DeMombro's other recordings at the end of his life, I mean, the man talks like he's taking notes from the Jonestown death tape. I mean, here's an example of one of his recordings read by Henry. We are rejected by the whole world. First by the people.

The people can no longer withstand us. And our earth, fortunately, she rejects us. How would we live otherwise? We also reject this planet. We wait for the day we can live. Life for me is intolerable, intolerable. I can't go on. Would have helped if they had a pet monkey.

You need a Mr. Muggs. Yeah. I mean, I listen to that shit. I mean, it could be, I mean, that whole shit could be copy and pasted right in a Jim Jones's laughs like that. Yes. Laugh is intolerable, intolerable, intolerable. We need to shed this laugh.

Yeah. It's the same thing because, or what did we learn again last time? The suicide of the cult leader. You're killing the brain, which kills the snake. That's what we're doing here. That's what happens is that as soon as he decides we're all in the head of the cult leader, when he's out, you're out. But at least in the Jonestown, obviously, it's horrible what happened.

But at least they weren't living in a nice city with money. They were, you know, it was difficult. Well, I think, I mean, it's possible that Jarre was not dying. I mean, I mean, there is a ton of different possibilities as far as what happened here. I mean, it's possible. But we know that DeMombro was definitely dying. Okay. Like he had, we know he had cancer.

We know he had diabetes. He was incontinent. And you know, and some people think that the reason why DeMombro just, I mean, pulled the cord on everything was because he couldn't stand to see anybody else in charge of it. If the cult moved on after DeMombro died, then somebody else was going to be in charge. And he couldn't stand the thought of anyone else being in charge. Okay. So all the OST needed now that they decided to end it was a spark to set the fire.

And they got it in a surprisingly innocuous way. They got it when special effects man Tony Dutrois named his child. And that is where we'll pick back up next time to see how that one small event led to the deaths of 74 people in the conclusion at the order of the solar temple. All right. There it is. This week it's going to get real fucking violent. Yes.

This is when it all comes crashing down and we see this group of nerds with their space gods and their swords. I guess make it to the big leagues. I don't know what you'd say to the termists. I don't know why they're being careful who you follow. Don't trust any of these people. You don't need them. Except for me.

Yeah. Trust me. Yeah. Except for you, Henry. That's that's a good message. Yeah. Honestly. Do you want the do you want the responsibility of having a cult?

No, I don't like paperwork. I need to have other people doing all the leases and all of the all of the buildup of the sermons and stuff. And then I do all the showman stuff. Sure. It seems like a colossal pain in the ass. A lot of ways. Yeah.

All right, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. We are excited to see everyone in Indianapolis and then we'll see you in Chicago on Saturday. Yeah. Which will be wonderful. By the time this comes out, we've already done Indianapolis. Thank you again. Thank you again for the fan who gave me one million dollars after the show.

Oh man. Six Flags on us. Six Flags, man. We're going to Six Flags. We should be so lucky. We're going to have such a nice time. Yeah. And by the way, if you do want to claim Six Flags on us, if you want to give to our Patreon,

all we need is a commitment, minimum commitment of 66.6 months of at $15,000 a month to be paid in one lump sum and you'll get, in return, Six Flags on us. Six Flags on us. So go to Six Flags and we'll pay for the whole trip ourselves. Wow. We'll take the whole thing or give us $10 so you can get the show ad free. Yeah. Yes, dude.

Thank you. Or $5 to get bonus content. Yeah. Any of those things would be great. But more importantly, Six Flags on us. Uh-huh. And that's it. It is just 66.6 months of 15 grand out of go.

That's it. It's easy. It's so easy. Even a billionaire could do it. Okay, everyone. But seriously, thank you all so much for giving to our Patreon. We really appreciate you, without you, none of this is possible. And Henry and I always have a great interview series on there, so make sure you check that

out. Uh-huh. Let's see. Anything else that we have? Is there any, like, any business that we need to tell people about? We got Chicago coming up. That's going to be our last show for the year. Yeah.

So that'll be very exciting. Our stream is back on Tuesdays, so make sure you check that out on Adult Swim. Full on back. We're having a good-ass time. Excited to be back doing the stream, Adult Swim.com slash Streams. We're taping our special. It's going to be for sale in, I believe, December. I'm not sure when we're going to get it done, but it's going to be out there, and we're

very excited for you to see it. We're going to be trashing that show that we're shooting and making a whole new show for our 2019 tours, which is going to be all over the globe. Absolutely. Yeah. And if you guys want to buy any Christmas gifts, bring in the last podcast network fan in your life. Just go to last podcast on the left and click on Merch, and make sure you get it in time

for the holidays. Yes, absolutely. And social media, it's lpontheleft.everything, and Ben Kissell won Instagram, Marcus Barks, everything. Dr. Fantasty, Henry loves you, Twitter, and I am Twitter at Ben Kissell, which I occasionally look at every now and again. I try not to do it. Don't want to live there.

You don't want to live there? I'd like to think Laundry Day that sent me some pipes in the mail for tobacco use. In Los Angeles, I can say whatever the fuck it is I want, but I can't say it to you. Laundry Day, they sent me some, they're really, really nice, they're really fucking nice pipes. Really? The pipe was, one thing I got was like, literally, it's nice for when you're trying to impress a weed smoker.

It's a really nice little, it's little, it's fancier, but the one hitter they got me, it cools the smoke because the extra ribbing, I really enjoy it, man, I'm taking big old fucking throat loads of it, and it's great. Awesome. All right, everyone, hail yourselves. Hail Satan. Hail Geen. Hail me.

And my ghost relations. And don't join a cult. Try not to, but they're sneaky. They're real sneaky. Just have fun, man. Do it for the funnier, so then get out if you can.