Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 343: The Order of the Solar Temple Part III - December 4th, 1994

Episode Date: December 10, 2018

On the conclusion to our series on one of the most mysterious cults of the last century, we cover the three year-long murder/suicide spree of the cult that resulted in the deaths of 74 members.

Again, it cannot be underestimated how much work these cult leaders do. It is a lot of work putting together these rituals, it's a lot of work just getting to props, I was in a sketch comedy group for 15 years and the thing about us getting the props was a whole day, but the props didn't have to look good because you're doing it in the basement of Improp Theater. These guys have to make the props so realistic that you're willing to shoot yourself in the fucking head. Well that's very true, I think the difference between Murder Fist, of course the sketch

group that you were a part of and the Solar Temple is I'm fairly certain they didn't have any props that were just dildo helmets because I'm pretty sure there was a sketch where it was a large brain and then attached to the brain was just a series of dildos. That was a part of our industry set, we would do this and how many shit head conversations you'd have to have with like holding and being like, so did you not properly clean these dildos? I was supposed to put these in my mouth man, this is not responsible. Alright, well you can check out Murder Fist on YouTube, check out all the wonderful sketches.

Alright, time to do our show. This is the last podcast. On the left I am Ben Kissel, Marcus Parks is with me, he is still alive, he had a small accident this week, the subway sign from hell. Yes, I have an old subway sign in my apartment, tells you where to get which way is uptown, which way is downtown and as I was setting up my new office in my new apartment it fell on my head and got me six stitches in a nice little concussion. And now he has six desolvable stitches which is weird because as you look at him his brain

is eating stitches. It's very interesting because it's also right on your hairline too so you're going to have that fun, you're getting closer to the character from Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Oh my god. You're getting really closer to Bill Mosley. I live for music. I watched that movie again recently and I was like, of course this is your favorite movie. Music is my life.

Oh my god. All right, so apologies for the short delay here on this episode but we are excited to bring it to you. This is going to be the Order of the Solar Temple, part three. Now we're at this, again we're at this kind of crux for Luke Jere and Joe DiMambro and again I think a part of it is the fact that they did not get acknowledgement of how much work they had to do. You have to be both a dungeon master and a military leader in one go and one is a fake

military leader and then one is a real military leader and also you have to usher in the Knights Templar from Sights Unseen from the from the Everworld. That's a lot of fucking work, it's a lot of pressure. So when we last left the Order of the Solar Temple, Luke Jere and Joe DiMambro's entire operation was falling apart and the two were well on their way to ordering up the fiery final sacrifice of their followers. But as we said at the top of the first episode, this isn't like Jonestown. As you can see with Jonestown, all the dominoes that had to fall for the Massacre and Guy

on it had to happen were all laid out in front of us from the custody battle of John Victor Stone to the murder of Leo Ryan. So when you say ordering up, is there like a cult app for that where they're like, I need some cyanide, I need some robes. Yes, absolutely. And you can kind of see, I do like the idea of in the middle of like the Order of the Solar Temple, the final Massacre, you see DiMambro like dumping gasoline over a bunch of robed bodies all shaped in a star pattern with fucking bullet holes in the head.

And then he looks at the camera and you see, and he's like, you may wonder how we got here. But in the case of the Order of the Solar Temple, we really only see the last domino. And that domino's name was Tony DuTois. See Tony DuTois had installed and maintained the visual effects equipment that DiMambro had used in his Templar rituals. And a bit of a review, a part of what you'll realize is that when you get to the end of the textbook, the Order of the Solar Temple that we read, which you can buy on Kindle, they do a good breakdown of a little bit of their rituals.

And so what you know for a fact, in order to, what they had to do, with the way they spelt out the timeline of the orders or the Solar Temple, was the revelation of a scalabur, the revelation of the Holy Grail, the revelation of the funky menorah, and then finally the revelation of the Ark of the Covenant, and that was what then the seals were gonna open. So the shit was that somebody had to procure and make this shit show up in a magical way. And that was Tony DuTois, who didn't get any credit. Well, to me, technically, he didn't exist, right? They couldn't have the prop guy being, you know, had credit on the list of names growing

down the screen. But he's just lucky that he didn't have to deal with the unions. Because the entertainment unions would have shot this, the entertainment unions would have shot this down a long time ago. Well, speaking of entertainment unions, we don't have to deal with them either. Small side note, we filmed our special in Chicago just a couple of days ago, and it's gonna be coming out in a, what are you, a couple of weeks, right? Or maybe even less than that.

So make sure you go out there and buy our special. It'll be wonderful for the holiday season. Good plug. Thank you. Well, in the early 90s, DuTois liked so many others to become disillusioned with the opulent lifestyles that DeMond, Bro, and Jere were leading on the dime of their followers. So DuTois started telling everyone that he was the one behind the light shows, which caused even more people to leave.

Uh-oh. Now that in and of itself was not enough to set DeMond, Bro, and Jere down the path to murder. Because after all, when DeMond, Bro's own children had already told people that he'd found his father's prop closet, honestly, though, I can see them being annoyed with this guy. It would be like the Lion King. And then just one person who's in charge of lighting being like, without me, the stage

would be black. It would be dark. And you cannot see anything. No. It's like the Masked Magician. Oh. The problem is this guy came forward and he revealed all the secrets. He's just like, see here, some other effect.

The grail is not magic at all. It's simply an item from Parte City. Yes. And they're like, wait a minute. There is a Horsetay? Where's they parted? He's like, yeah, we, we, we. It is the most beautiful city in the world.

You get as many wigs and tiny curbs as you can imagine. And by the way, the Masked Magician, you go back and you watch that series. The only thing he revealed is the women did everything. The guy just stands there like a jackass and women do all of the work and then he's like, look what I did. But DiMambro, a part of it is that what we're going to get into, there's a further series of what we'll be talking more about, the idea of actualizing magical thought is that in a way you could see that DiMambro felt that faking it was a way to making it.

Is that what you had to do is, yes, maybe the grail did not magically appear through the ether. And that didn't, it's not actually happening, but with the symbolism of it showing up, it's like it's happening because you don't know that it's fake. Okay. Yeah. It's like that guy who got a bunch of deer guts and put it in a cooler and said that he'd found a Bigfoot corpse because like that guy like actually believes in Bigfoot.

He really does. But he just thought that he needed to push people forward a little bit to make them believe in Bigfoot because if they believed in Bigfoot, they would be more Bigfoot research and they could actually find Bigfoot. I think that man's a congressman now. But you could see the want of the faith of it because there's a part of it where it's like DiMambro really obviously is the true believer of all this. I think that he does in some fashion believe that they are just about to fucking usher

the night's temple on onto the planet Earth from Sirius. He's about to, there's about to show up. So a part of it is him trying to hold all of this shit together until maybe they'll appear before he shits his pants because of the colon care. Ah, okay. All right. So he's a true believer, you think? He's a true believer.

Okay. And what really set him off was the naming of Dutrois' child or at least that's the story that DiMambro gave as it's entirely possible that DiMambro just needed a reason to say go and Dutrois was a convenient scapegoat. See, Elio wasn't DiMambro's only cosmic child. DiMambro actually had several, but only one could be the cosmic Christ. And I think that's always true. And I'm not, I don't know if we'll ever have kids, I don't know what we'll do, but let's

be honest, parents, you know for a fact that there, if you have multiple kids, one of them is the good one. Oh yeah, for sure. Like honestly, you know secretly in your heart of hearts, one of them is the one you want to put your money on and the rest of them, they could probably not be hit by a buzz. You don't want them to be. No. You want anything bad to happen to them, but you just don't put a lot of stake on them.

No, absolutely not. And I'm going to tell you right now, I was my mother's favorite. She would whisper it in my ear. Oh God, I actually did. You're my favorite. Thank you mom. My mom did the same shit. My mom was like, you have the soul of an alchemist, Henry Thomas, and you have special powers.

And I just hope, I just hope that you use them for good. And I'm like, I want McDonald's. The honor of DiMambro's cosmic child was given to his daughter, Emmanuel, who had been conceived to buy an ascended master laser to Dominique Bellatone's vagina. You remember that? Of course. I remember that. And DiMambro was like, I knew for the first time the shudder of my balls came.

The first bit of soup that came out of my tube, I knew it was a special bit of seed. All right, special seed. But the Messiah was supposed to be a boy. So Emmanuel was referred to within the solar temple by the masculine version of her name. Emmanuel. Oh. And since there's not much more important in magic than names, the use of Emmanuel was strictly forbidden by DiMambro.

Uh-oh. But that's all you had to do was not name the kid the one name. The one name. That's all you got to do is just don't name, you got one name. That's fine. Out of all the names in the universe, there's just one name you can't use. Emmanuel? Yeah, that's fine.

I don't really like that name anyway. It's a weird, very specific name. Like honestly, it's not like it's just Mark. No. It's Mark. I can see maybe it's difficult to not name the kid Mark, but still, again, it's just one name. Yeah, absolutely.

Now it's possible that Emmanuel was a family name for the Dutrois, or they had to fondness for the Cosmic Christ child and wanted to name their child after the Cosmic Christ, or they just wanted to stick it to their old boss, but Tony Dutrois and his wife defied DiMambro and named their son Christopher Emmanuel. Oh, man. That is on purpose. That is on purpose. Now, do we know if the Dutrois were true believers?

I know that they got sort of disenchanted, right? Once because he got pulled in a little bit early, and DiMambro was just like, hey, we need a little bit of, how do you say, stage craftsmanship, and he's like, I love to help a magic. I help a magic every day. You know what, you're excited to be Imagineers for DiMambro. But I feel like they got really disenchanted, right? Once they saw, like, obviously they were spending a lot of their money on cars and houses.

Now, was he getting paid for his stage technician work? Oh, no. Nobody was getting paid. No one's getting paid. Well, you can't pay the people. It's the experience. You don't get this kind of exposure. Oh.

Even though technically you're not supposed to exist. Like your job's not supposed to be real. I see. Okay. If they would have paid him, I bet you none of this would have happened. Yeah. I swear to God, pay people. Well, I mean, even the act of having a child was defying DiMambro, because DiMambro had

forbidden the douche-was from having children altogether for cosmic reasons. But since the douche-was were out of the game, they didn't think they had to follow DiMambro's directives anymore. Mm-hmm. Sure. But unbeknownst to them, they could not have given a more perfect gift to DiMambro and Jere. See, since DiMambro's daughter, Emanuel, was the Cosmic Christ, DiMambro reasoned that

Christopher Emanuel DuTois was the Antichrist. Oh. They get it. Baby versus baby. Wow. They should have went down. As though they should have put the two babies together with knives taped to their hands. Oh, my.

And see who cuts who first. Baby, deathmatch. Wow. And since the Antichrist was now on earth, the last proverbial seal had broken, and the world was now definitely coming to an end. See, this is why, Henry, this is why you should not get in road rage incidents. You never know what the maniac is thinking about. And this guy's had, he's got the Christ child and the Antichrist to deal with, and now you're

cutting him off. It's going to lead to a massacre. But that's why I want to feel like I want to get, I want to start wearing robes while I dress. I feel like how creepy would it be if I cut out of the Prius and I'm in full night's temple argue, and then the guy starts bowing to me and be like, they came, they came. Yeah, that's how that would work. Well since the world was ending, the time for transit, purified by fire, was nigh.

Get it. Oh, my. Now one would think that if you're leaving the planet and ascending to a solar state of being so you could travel to a planet orbiting serious, then it wouldn't matter what happened back on earth. Sure, yeah. I feel like you should be wearing shirts that says, it's a serious thing you wouldn't understand.

Because that's the thing, is that we think that DiMombro, Gere and their inner circle really did believe in what they were selling, or at the very least they believed in it enough to kind of like give it a shot. All right. Because you know what I forget about in doing, while we're in the middle of this, like DiMombro obviously was a true like night of the other realm, like he truly did believe in it, but Gere up until for a while was selling vegetables, like he was selling health food and shit and making insane like stuff like, you know, if you have a little bit of diarrhea, the

only way to really cure yourself is to eat just the smallest kernel of beer. Oh, you have to make your stomach afraid of the beer. I don't know how homeopathic medicine works. I've heard that. I don't want to talk about it. I made a mistake last night. I told you guys before, I had too many smooth-moved teas. How many did you have?

I had six. And I didn't know it is not a smooth move and it's actually it is quite a violent move. And I don't know why they called it smooth move because there's nothing smooth about it. That's supposed to have six. It should be called screaming move. It was horrible.

Sweaty. You're like a psycho knot, but just with things that make you shit weak. I guess so. Between that and the fat pills you took. But at some point, Gere, because now he has been kind of silenced. He's no longer doing a lot of his new age talks. He's being filled with rage because Gere is supposed to be the face and he's now not allowed to be the global face anymore because people are either, he got investigated for

trying to buy those two guns with that idiot. Oh, that's right. He got, like there are people trying to tie him to terrorist activity. We don't know if that's real or not. It seems like it was all kind of a ruse by the Canadian government, whatever it was. But now Gere is really being like, they will take me seriously or I will take this broccoli and I will bury it as a casket of the prime minister. Whoa.

Okay. Yeah. And he'd been banned all across Europe from speaking by this point. Like everyone was wise to his scheme. So yeah, Gere was, he was on his way out. So his, Gere's life was over. Okay. And that's the thing is that even though these guys did believe it still didn't stop

them from being petty. Now it could have just been pure anger at work here with DeMombro and Gere being pissed off at Duchois for, you know, forcing their hand or at least what they say was forcing their hand. Say it correctly, Marcus. Forcing their hand. Thank you. All right.

Scary. Or they may have had their own made up cosmological reasons for doing what they did, something like bringing balance to the earth before rocking it off on a track of fire to another galaxy. Hmm. Or it could just be that this was the only way to make the math work. Wait a second. What do you mean that like, do you mean like the cult math?

The cult math. And the cult math. We'll get into the math later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, yeah. Yes. Yes. That's right.

There is a lot of cult math that comes up because these are nerds. Right. You forget about, above all, they are nerds that run this and math must be, must feature into the philosophy. Yep. Absolutely. I'm surprised they didn't ban the word Sheldon because I think they would love Young Sheldon and they would love the Big Bang Theory.

They would love it. What I like about the Big Bang Theory is that yes, it does make potential jokes, but it at least teaches the science. But no matter what the reasoning was, the fact remains that Demombrough decided that before he went, the entire DuTois family had to die first. No, Demombrough, he had cancer, right? Yeah, he had cancer. So there's no reason.

This is just out of pity. This is out of petty spite. Yes. This is all petty spite. Oh my goodness. So with that decision, the Order of the Solar Temple began a murder-suicide spree that would last three years and eventually result in the deaths of 74 people. Oh my God.

And it all began in Canada. Of course. On September 30th, 1994, Tony DuTois, his wife Nikki, and the three-month-old infant, were invited to a dinner at a chalet owned by Luke Jarray outside a small ski resort called Moran Heights, 50 miles northwest of Montreal. This is a horror movie. Yeah. Yes.

This whole thing is a horror movie. Wow. Because that's where the tone of this episode will kind of shift. Now we've been talking about all this esoteric stuff and saying that this is a group of knowledge seekers run by conmen. But now we're going to see these guys are going to kick this up into a reason why we're talking about that. And now we're getting out of the supernatural and now this is real-world true crime.

Yes. This is very real from here on out. Now the DuTois had been invited to this chalet by an OST couple named the Ginwads. As it seems like it was fairly normal for people who had left the Order to stay in friendly contact with members who were still a part of the club. And the Ginwads were one of DeMombra's cosmic pairings. As he had persuaded the 35-year-old Jerry Ginwad to marry the 60-year-old Collette. Oh my.

I've seen this movie. Yeah. I've seen this French film. Yep. I've read about Hugh Jackman and his wife. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. Just to be in the fly of the wall of their long conversations.

There's something with the French though. Like Macron. He's married. She's quite older than him. Mm-hmm. They'll allow it. Mm-hmm. They'll allow it.

Yeah. As they should. As they should. But the Ginwads were just the bait in this scheme. When the Du Tois entered the chalet on the night of September 30th, 1994, they were met not by the Ginwads, but by a quote unquote golden circle member named Joel Eger and Dominique Bellaton. Ooh.

Oh that's like the kind of thing where you can go and you can just pick up your car out of the space. You don't even have to go to the counter. Golden circle. The golden circle. Yeah. I also thought about a guy just spinning around while he urinates, but that's all that was there.

And I'm the only member for this golden circle. Uh-oh. See in DeMombra's mind, it was only fitting that the mother of the cosmic Christ should be the one to assassinate the parents of the antichrist and the antichrist himself. Oh my god. Yeah dude. When the Du Tois walked through the door that night, the knives were already drawn. Tony Du Tois was stabbed 50 times in the back while his wife Nikki got four in the

throat, eight in the back, and one in each breast. But the worst was little Emanuel. These animals stabbed a three month old infant six times with a wooden stake, then wrapped the corpse in a plastic bag, marking the infant as a traitor to the order of the solar temple. What the fuck? This started off as them just doing nerd shit. Mm-hmm. Yeah dude.

Playing pretend. Never underestimate nerds. No, I know that. Because this happens all the time. Always give them their credit. Yeah. Always say good job nerds. You're good.

You're good, and we're with you. We support you. Sure. But think about this. Honestly, I'm just gonna throw this out there. If you really thought that baby was the Antichrist, technically they did it right. Right? Like, that's what you're supposed to do.

If you are sure that that baby is the Antichrist. Well, I don't think that they did think that. Didn't they just not like this family because the guy was outing them? No, they thought that like Dominique- They really think this baby was the Antichrist. Dominique Bellatone and Joel Egger thought that this baby was the Antichrist. Like they followed everything that, if Domonbro told them that something was true, then they took it as gospel. So these people thought that they were on a mission to kill the Antichrist.

Now, I just want to see the cutest little story about how he married Rosemary's baby and they got together. They had a little baby, but it's fun. Because Dominique Bellatone, like in order to already go so far as to allow Joe DeMambro to come inside you, you have to more to be so brainwashed and really believe in your play, just to be able to be like, I like this with Joe DeMambro being like, like over you and be like, just remember, he is an heir of Solomon, he is an heir of Solomon. Oh, right.

Brutal stuff here. So when the job was done, Bellatone and Egger stole the Dutouas car and drove to Montreal, where they hopped a plane back to Switzerland and rejoined the OST, leaving the Ginwads to clean up the mess. The bodies of the Dutouas family were stuffed into a closet in the back of the house and four days later, on October 4th, the Ginwads ignited a fire bomb that engulfed both the house and themselves. When officials showed up on the scene and the Ginwads were found, police discovered

medallions melted into their flesh and those medallions were engraved with just two initials. T.S. Temple Soler. This is again, I spoke with Mary this week and said she's fine with wearing a robe. And if we ever decide to do last podcast, if we ever decide to stop last podcast and left, this is how they could end it by blowing up the studio and then they'll find the medallions that just says LPN. Oh, very cool. That's a great legacy to have.

So these people, they committed suicide on behalf of DeMambro. Did he want them to end it as- Yes, he did. Wow. I don't get how someone can have that much power to get these people to kill two folks or three and then kill themselves. Yeah. You know, Dutrois was getting stabbed.

He was like, oh, it was too good at making the grill. Absolutely. But those two deaths were only a small part of what transpired on October 4th, 1994. See as soon as the Dutrois were dead and the assassins were back in Switzerland, the order began preparations. And when it comes to death cults, the date of departure is not always significant. For example, cults like the People's Temple and the Branch Davidians, they did not carefully choose what date they left this earth, nor did they really have one in mind.

But for cults like Heaven's Gate, the date of departure was highly significant as they killed themselves when the Hellbop Comet was closest to earth in the hopes that their spirits could hitch a ride to another galaxy. It might have worked. We don't know. We don't know. It's also very indicative of how scary that must be because with the other people's temples that he was keeping the fantasy alive that we would all live in this paradise here and

that it would all work out. And then begrudgingly and then slowly over time, lulled them into the state of mind that we need to leave this earth. This seems like it's a pretty hard right. It seems like they were talking about transition. They were talking about opening the seal and they were talking about the 33 Ascended Masters, allowing them to live in the Great White Chapel on Sirius. But they really just thought it was a fun game.

They just thought it was a thing that was a nice thing to talk about. We talk about overpopulation in this country a lot, but in reality, there's a lot of room. Go to North Dakota. Go to South Dakota. You can make any little world that you want there. We don't know for sure the significance of October 4th, 1994 when it comes to the order, but former Solar Temple member Herman DeLorm will remember from last episode. Herman's still allowed.

We can use that name from here on out. Yes. I run it clean enough. No one else has used it. Or Herman had a theory. This is what he said. October the 4th, 1994. Okay.

Add up the numbers. It's fun. It's a fun game to do. One by one and see what it comes out to. Okay. The 4th, okay, and the 10th month, 4 plus 1 is 5, plus 0 is still 5, plus 1 is 6, plus 9 is 15, and 9 is 24. Now, 20 plus 24 plus 4 is 28.

To it, Nate is 10, 1 and 0 is 1. 1 is the new beginning, so it makes sense. Herman's got it. Okay. Interesting. Nailed it. Nailed it. So, down to 1.

Down to 1. 1 is the new beginning. It had to be. That's how he was able to use it. He was like, that's the only thing that I can think of. That's the only thing he could think of. When they asked him, what is the significance of October 4th, 1994, he's like, I don't know. Let's just add up the numbers and then, oh, okay, that makes sense.

Do a little calculations, okay? So, D'Ambro and Gere did cheat good reading comprehension because he immediately jumped into breaking that down. Yeah. That is a very, get somebody so trained that they'll jump straight to numerology. I think that's a win. Yeah, I suppose so. Okay.

So, on the same night that the Dutois were murdered, Luke Gere and nine others had dinner at a hotel in the Swiss town of Veto, a kind of last supper. Then on October 3rd, D'Ambro had a last lunch. You can't have a last supper at a hotel. That is like, that really ruins it. But what if it's a really nice one? I don't know. Yeah, you definitely can have a big, you can definitely have a last supper in a nice hotel

because Heaven's Gate had it in that little diner and they all ate their chicken pot pies. You remember that? That's right. A diner is a good place. Yeah. My problem is that you have a last supper and then you have a last lunch or it's just being like D'Ambro being like, I swear to God, this is the last one. This is the last meal.

We might have coffee. I don't know after this. We might. Is there a brunch? Do you wake up hungry? Some people do. I do not like to wait for breakfast. Although we don't know for sure, it is very probable that the people who met with Gere

and D'Ambro during their respective last lunch and dinner were the inner circle of the order. That covers about 15 people from what we know, 15 who were true believers when it came to the ritual suicide that was being planned for October 4th, but it wasn't just 15 people who died that night. It was 48. Now, if you'll remember, most people in the order thought that transit was just a metaphor and that really hadn't changed for most members.

So really, this is not just a ritual suicide. This was a real life ritual mass murder straight out of a horror movie. And there is real evidence that points towards this claim. Take for example, the further testimony of Thierry Eugénault. See by October of 1994, Thierry had been out of the OST for a year and a half, having come to his senses after the disastrous divorce from his wife of 15 years followed immediately by a cosmic marriage to a near stranger. But Thierry hadn't just cut his losses and ran.

He had been spending the previous 18 months trying to regain some of the cash that he had so generously donated during his 15 years with the order. And it's seen that October 4th, 1994, was going to be the day that he was going to get that money. At 11 a.m., he got a call from OST member Florence Redarrow, who was one of Demombra's many paramours. Lucky, lucky girl. I don't know about that.

Yummy yum. She told Thierry that she and Demombra were out at Demombra's chalet in Salvon, about 50 miles east of Geneva. And if Thierry made the drive, he'd get a fat envelope full of cash from Demombra himself. I'm going to say this to you right now as a listener. If you are, just get out of a cult. Number one, your money's gone. Yeah.

Oh, it's gone, yeah. It's a gift. Just assume it's a gift. If it means that you missed the transit, all right, congratulations, you're just out of cash, you can get the cash back. But if any human being ever, if you owed money to somebody for a year and a half, they owed money, and then you just get a random call saying, hey, buddy, yeah, I just need you to drive up to the mountains and meet me, I got all your money, shut up, I have all

your money here waiting for you, yeah, buddy, yeah, absolutely, they are going to try to kill you. Yeah. I think that's a fair assessment. Well, Salvon was about as close to a compound that the OST ever got, because Demombra and Jauré had built two chalets right next to each other, and right next to theirs was a chalet owned by watch executive Camille Pied. Triple chalet.

And all three chalets were connected by walkways. What is so nice about this look is that my chalet is right next to your chalet, so I can barbecue, and you can come over anytime you like, we can watch movies. We always say that we are going to have a movie night, but we never do, you just make all these plans and then you'll flak, I'm trying not to flake as much anymore as a part of my 1994 resolution, we're not getting to 1995, kind of a fun joke there. But when Terry showed up to the chalets at around three that afternoon, he found Florence and Joe Demombraus sitting outside, because Demombraus said he locked his keys in the

house. So you mean to tell me the all-knowing father of the Order of the Solar Temple, the only one who can properly wield a scallop and cleave open the entrance for the Knights Templar, lost his keys. He lost his keys. Yeah. No, that's reasonable. I don't know where they are.

And you just mean like, well, maybe you could wear a piece of clothing that has pockets, and Demombraus is like, eh pockets, what am I, a kangaroo? But when the locksmith got there, Demombraus directed the locksmith to open up Jare's chalet instead, not his own. And when Terry asked why, Demombraus said he had a spare set at Jare's place and he didn't want to break his own lock. Oh, it makes all the sense in the world. Oh yeah, yeah, it's not making shit up as he goes.

No. The locksmith worked, who should show up, but Luke Jare, and he didn't have his keys either. No kid. Would you do not even? No, I do not even have my keys. I don't even know how I lift the house. No one has keys.

This has got to be suspicious as fuck. Think about this. These are your two, you've trusted these dudes. They've showed you their mystical powers. They have made you fuck another woman. They made you get a divorce and marry another woman. And now they're all patting their pockets, being like, huh, I don't know, I don't know what we're going to do, what do you think we should do?

You know, it's like, that's very fucking weird. Yeah. And Terry said that Jare, who was unshaven and haggard, didn't even acknowledge him. And remember, these guys, they all knew each other for like 15 years. And Jare was only concerned with how DiMombro was going to pay the locksmith. There's a few things kind of off about this story. First of all, why would you care if the locksmith was paid on the spot if you were going to kill yourself that night?

Why not just have him send a bill? Sure. Second of all, why would you care if the lock on your chalet was broken if, again, you're going to be dead before the morning came? Now, I know suicide, it's a complicated thing. And you know, people a lot of times do things that don't really make sense in the lead up, but the regular rules don't really apply when it comes to mass ritual suicide. Or that's where this seems to be far fishier than even just a ritual suicide.

It seems like they're just buying time. Yeah, perhaps myriad errors on their mind. What happened next, though, might point towards the whole thing being a kind of weird impromptu manipulation on the part of DiMombro. So when the lock on Jare's chalet was finally open, Terry said that he was immediately overwhelmed by the scent of gasoline. Terry said either he or the locksmith screamed when they smelled it, he didn't remember which one screamed, but Florence assured them that the smell was coming from a busted oil

tank downstairs that had just been refilled. But Terry said he knew the goddamn difference between the smell of oil and the smell of gas. And this was definitely gasoline. Everything soaked in gasoline, you know it, you know for a fact, and so the house fucking scared because they were like, come inside, no, come inside, Terry, you can trust us. And he's like, because if the locksmith also screams, you know, because he's seen a bunch of shit, you know, like from poppin' open doors, that's his job, is to be surprised

on what's on the other side of the door. So DiMombro went inside, opened up a drawer, and picked up a set of keys, and then he looked at Terry, then said with an air of guilt, quote, these are answers to keys to my gut age. And that's when Terry said, never mind, he got in his car and he got the fuck out of there. Okay. And he said the last thing he saw as he was leaving was Florence running towards his car,

making grand gestures, trying to get him to come back. That night, 25 people would die in those three chalets. In another location, some 50 miles north of Geneva, outside the village of Chieri, another 23 would die. It's 48 dead in Switzerland, at the durois and the gin wads, and you got 53 bodies. Now, as we know, not as we know, people like the Order of the Solar Temple are pretty goddamn goofy with numbers. But while 53 means nothing, 54 was the most sacred number of all to the order.

Why? Because we just planned a wedding, our sleeping is so important, because sometimes you really get it down to the number that you want, and how, and you know, you got the plates, you got the fucking catering, you got the, you rent the chairs, it's so difficult because then you have that one empty chair, it looks like somebody died, which in this case is the sad part because the one empty chair actually means that somebody lived. That's good. Well, the reason why the number 54 is so important was because 54 was the number of nights Templar

that were carted out to the outskirts of Paris and burned alive on May 12, 1310. And Terry Q. Jenault was supposed to be body number 54. You blew it. You blew it. Come on. Instead, he said the worst thing that happened that night was that his son's moped broke down, so he had to deal with all that bullshit. That does suck, man.

Absolutely. That is a Swiss emergency, besides all the cheese melting in the summertime. Oh, goodness. But at midnight, Terry got a call from a friend whose daughter still lived in Canada. She said that Luc Jauré's house in Quebec had burst into flames and that firefighters had already found two burnt bodies. That was the Gen Wads. Even though Terry was worried, he still went to sleep that night because he figured like,

you know, well, he knew everybody in the order. He was like, oh fuck, I probably knew those two people. I don't know who they are, but I probably knew them. But at 7 a.m., the phone rang again, and Terry was told that the chalets and selvan burn and the farmlands of Sherry were in flames as well. Oh, my God. Call me after 10. If you're going to lay that kind of intro on me before 8 a.m., I don't think so.

See, the Sherry farmlands had been the location of one of the order's main clubhouses. The farmhouse had been owned by a 73-year-old farmer named Albert Giacobino, and he, like so many others, had become disillusioned with the order as there was a whole lot of money coming in, and Giacobino wasn't seeing any of it. I even see that there's a miner who works for the watch company. I would even take some sort of free watch. I would take a watch, t-shirt, some kind of swag or something, but no one will invite me to the party.

I see that they are all chanting in there, and I am a lonely old man, and just going to die here. All right. I guess they don't want to hang out with a 73-year-old farmer, that's sad. It's unclear just how involved with the order Giacobino actually was. I mean, I don't think he was an actual member. I think he was more kind of a business partner, but he'd been telling friends in the weeks leading up to October 4th that he was thinking of pulling out.

Friends though, the DiMombro was a step ahead. Firefighters were called to the farmhouse in Chieri just after midnight on October 4th, having been told that the farmhouse and the barn nearby had suddenly burst into flames. Once they got the fire under control and went inside, the first thing they found was Giacobino's body slumped over his kitchen table with a plastic bag over his head and a bullet in his brain. So he burned to death? No.

He was dying. No, I understand. No, I get it. They didn't even try to, they didn't really try to fake it, huh? No. It seems like they were pretty blatant, being like, when they find the body, they'll know there's a... Extremely blatant, but because...

They wanted it. They were all dead. Ugh, goodness. But now, was this a murder or was that a suicide? Murder. Oh, okay. The plastic bag was symbolism of being a traitor. This is a part of, they were so, parts of it were very purposely put together.

His body was meant to be found, the rest of them were not. They wanted to just show little pieces. Everything was supposed to explode, but they just had, the problem with that is that they didn't have the watchmakers build the bombs. They had Dominique build the bombs, and they came, Dominique, she looks great in a swimsuit, and she also looks good birthing the, the cosmic child, but she's not good at making an incendiary device. Sure.

I don't know if she looks good giving birth. That's a weird fetish that Henry just laid on all of us. I'll take a look at it and see for myself. Oh, right. Please look at the documents. Okay, interesting. Well, the firemen were able to save the stone farmhouse, but when they searched the property, they found that it was littered with defective incendiary devices that were supposed to have

burned every structure to the ground. Those devices were nothing more than plastic bags filled with gasoline connected to an exposed electrical wire. And the other side of that wire was connected to a telephone. So when the phone rang, the bags of gas would blow. Somewhere Timothy Lee Vey is in hell, just be like, I did it better than they did. People criticized me, yes, it could have been better, but I did it better than they did. He's just, yeah, he's enjoying, wouldn't it be sad though, is that they could do all of

the classic rock mix for him in hell, but the only song they left off was Bad Company by Bad Company? That's a perfect tell for him. You got Double Vision, you know, all those songs. But about half of the rigged devices didn't go off. So most of the structures at Sherry were intact. When the firefighters started investigating the property further, they found that one of the buildings seemed to be bigger than the interior had let on.

So when they searched the building in question, they found that one of the wall panels slid back. When it was opened, investigators were met with the corpses of 18 Solar Temple members arranged in a circle like spokes on a bike. This is in the farmhouse? This is behind a hidden wall, a sliding wall in the farmhouse. Did the farmer do that? No, no, no, no, this was organized, he was the first to die, the farmer was the first

to die. The farmer didn't do it. If I start hearing about this farmer being a killer, I like the farmer. No, he might have been involved too, Kissel, we don't know. So think about this scene. This is a sleepy, beautiful countryside town, like it's farmland, they don't know what's happening. They see a fire happening in one of the expensive fancy chalets that they normally know that's

where rich people live. Sure. And they go up there and just this idea of a little farmhouse that you're just like, you pass by every day, I don't know, do they, do Swiss cops, are they in carts? Is it with horses? I'm not sure. They go up there and they open up a sliding panel and then you see all of these people in ceremonial robes in a mirrored, giallo-style, hidden temple.

Weird. Because it looks like a Dario Argento film down there. Everything is blood red and white and chrome in a gigantic hall of mirrors that, it is wild, dude. Wow, by the way, Argento, I like the New Suspirion. I love the New Suspirion. They all did. Yeah, we all loved it.

All right. And these guys, they weren't just wearing robes. Every single one of them were wearing their ceremonial capes, either red, gold, or black as befitting their rank. Okay. But 10 of them, the traders, were also wearing the tell-tale plastic bags over their heads. Now while some of these people were said to be wearing serene smiles, others had died with horrified looks on their faces, and some of them had their hands bound, but almost

all of them had been shot in the head, some as many as eight times. In all... Eight times. In all, 65 bullets had been fired into 23 bodies. Well, what's the point of shooting someone eight times in the head so you know they're dead? Yeah, but you don't... If you can't do it after once, they get to live.

You know, it's because eight plus zero is eight, and eight, huh. Oh, hot dogs in a pack. Eight hot dogs in a pack. There it is. Zero is just a placeholder. I hated that. And the room itself was empty of all furniture, safe for one painting on the wall. That was a picture of a beatific luxurier who had been painted to look like the classic

Jesus Christ staring off into the distance, beard and all. I was hoping you were going to say Whistler's Mother, because that would make you fun. I tell you what, when I have my fucking cult, it's going to be me, hair down on my butt, big, full, beautiful, beautiful hair. Yeah, where are you getting this? Where are you getting this horse hair from? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm going to do.

This is my version of myself, right? This is amazing. I say that in the transit, I'm going to have beautiful hair, or I'll just wear a wig. I'll do the whole thing, and then I'll surprise people by taking it off, you know, like one once in a while. But then it'll be me on a hill of nugs, right, with a dick inside of a beautiful mermaid. Right? And my hands are guitars.

That sounds like a nightmare. You have hands for guitars, so you can't even play the guitars. No, long hair, hands for guitars, naked, so you're just Ted Nugent on that album cover? Having sex with a mermaid, which I don't even think is really possible. They are egg people, so you actually have to jerk off on the rock, and then they got to combine and swiggle around it. You don't even get to have sex. They've got pussies.

That's where the eggs come out. Well, the only other things in the room besides the bodies and the painting were shell casings and a whole mess of empty champagne bottles, which gave the whole thing an atmosphere of a party gone horribly wrong. Jeez. And the investigators figured if there was one secret room, why not two? So they searched the walls of the secret room and found the order's hidden ritual room. In that room, the walls were covered in mirrors, and in the center was an altar that held a

chalice, a rose, and a cross. That room also held the last three bodies. Now investigators also found an audio cassette taped to the front door of the farmhouse, which they thought might explain just what had happened here, but when they listened, they found only a rambling discourse about astrology. You know what happened is that somebody taped over that back in the day. This is what happens sometimes. It's like you wanted to hear spiderwebs by no doubt, but instead you accidentally taped

over with a whole section of stern, like old calls. Oh my God. I can't tell you how many times you go in. You pop your VHS of two old time in there, and it's a Packers game from 91. Oh, come on. What was more, about 100 miles away, investigators were about to discover another pile of bodies. So we have two at the farmhouse, two hidden rooms. Two out in a two in Quebec, and then now we're in Switzerland.

This is a sherry Switzerland. Oh my God. And this happened like boom, boom, boom. They were all organized, and they had called each other in order to basically set off the bombs, that they literally set it up, and then sherry actually gave a call to blow up the Canada office, and then they did it here, and they tried to do it at the other one. This is different than any other of the mass suicides or mass murders, in that I think

if the people at Jonestown could have gotten away, they might have forgotten about it. Yeah. And be like, oh, I guess we didn't drink the flavorate today. But I can't believe you had that much power to make it a phone call, and people actually did it. Well, I mean, not all of them. It was just like, you know, it was the inner circle, because remember, a lot of these people did not go willingly.

Yes. But in the case of Le Grand-sur-Salvant, that was the place where all of, that was the place where Terry went and almost died. All the incendiary devices there worked. There in the trio of chalets owned by DeMombro, Jarray, and PA, investigators found 25 more bodies in the charred wreckage, including three teenagers and four of DeMombro's cosmic children. The bodies were scattered across the buildings with 15 in one, two in the other, and eight

in the third. And in each building lay the bodies of their respective owners. Camille Pia, Luke Jarray, and Joseph DeMombro were all dead. Wow. But not all of the members of the Order of the Solar Temple went with them. No, because they understood, because they understood implicitly, you got to have an away team. You got to have somebody there who is supposed to set the knowledge for the future.

Because what you're going to read about is what they sent, is that they were prepping for the next generation of the OST. The next day, someone mailed off packages to various Swiss newspapers and a package to Swiss historian Jean-François Maire, Secretary of the International Committee of the Center for Studies on New Religions, a.k.a. Seznure. Oh, okay. Oh, Seznure. How is the acronym longer than the actual name?

Inside each package was four documents from the Order of the Solar Temple, which they called their Testaments. And it is with these Testaments, along with the autopsies, are we able to somewhat piece together what happened on October 4th. Now, remember, the Testaments were the only things that were supposed to come out of this. Everything else was supposed to be destroyed. Those bombs were supposed to go off and hide every single piece of written evidence that they had ever met.

And then the mystery of the Testaments were supposed to shoot out into the consciousness, allowing the OST to live forever and wait for the next group of brave people to hop on board the light train to Sirius. It's almost so difficult, it's incredibly stupid. The first Testament was called, to all those who can still understand the voice of wisdom, dot, dot, dot, we address this message. They put the ellipses in there. Good, good.

Yeah, Milton drama. It's about a performance. They wanted you to try to lead you. It's good script writing. Okay, all right. I hate when people put the ellipses in texts. Yes, stupid. That's my mom.

That's called what moms do. My mom, everything is ellipses and it sounds like she's mad. In this Testament, the OST laid out their essential beliefs and what the transit to Sirius was all about. And it is rife with esoteric horseshit that was purposely meant to be confusing, saying shit like this, quote, the seven entities of the pyramids of Giza left the secret chamber during the night of March 31st, 1993, taking with them the capital energy consciousness of the seven fundamental planets of our solar system.

All right, I don't understand it. It must be true. Honestly, a part of it is that if you do read all of the testaments and you do read other esoteric works, like after reading Alice Bailey, stuff of it does make sense. To me, it's more like if you just got the testaments and you have never read any other piece of weird magic literature, it's like stepping into the seventh season of Babylon 5 and like hearing the plot that you and you're like, I don't know what's happening. But to anybody who's been following along, you're like, okay, well, that's another scary

thing that Henry just said there. He's getting into it. Okay. And of course, these guys blame this entire thing on everyone else, saying it was the slander in lives of the mass media and the government that drove them to do this. And specifically, it was the government of Quebec that drove them to do this. I believe it. I never trusted a mountain in my life.

They said that this had not been suicide in the human sense of the term because all of them except the traders would upon death immediately receive new solar bodies that could then be piloted to a planet orbiting serious. Of course, you idiots. Naturally, that's what's going to happen. Yeah, man. There's nothing to worry about it. You set your soul and forget it.

Forget it. I love that the Ron Popeal version of the extra of the afterlife. Testament two is titled The Rose Plus Crawl, which pretty much says that Rosa Crucianism or at least the OST's version of it is the wave of the future. It read quote. The Rose and Croy is definitely not finished surprising you on foot in a limousine or on a Boeing 747 omnipresent and imperceptible. It is.

I love this shit. It sounds like it's from Epcot. No, it really does. It sounds like it sounds like every fat person from Wally. It is. I like the size of that. It's really trying to sell it. The problem is that if you have to read the other, Rosa Crucianism on its own is interesting

because again, it's very vague. So you can attach whatever it is you want to it to kind of make you fit what you need. And also it's like the beginning levels of Scientology, where it's like the self-help angle of it is very interesting and does help actualize people that are looking for a community and looking for a more aggressive and positive and productive way of leading your life. But the problem is it's all the rest of it. Well and you want to be careful. You don't want to go down that slippery slope.

We get the Rosa Crucian, we get the Rosa Crucian, we get their emails now because Henry signed us up for it. That's bad shit. I thumb through it. I'm like, now what the hell is this? It's wild. Well, Testament 3, Transit to the Future, is by far the longest Testament and it's pretty much just them telling us over and over again how fucked all of us are.

Cool. I love that chapter. Thank you. That's my favorite chapter. Testament 4, To Lovers of Justice. That one is addressed to the remaining members of the OSD and others who walk the esoteric path. This one actually makes a point that I hear Henry making all the time.

The systematic governmental oppression is the esoteric practitioner's biggest enemy and that the entire point of modern governments is to keep us from opening our third eye. They are not wrong. They are not wrong, but a part of the problem though with To Lovers of Justice is that it also reads as any single time you make a single mention of any member of the current administration, whether it is a passing mention or some form of joke, it is the same exact reaction that I receive from supporters of said administration where it's 10 blistering screeds about how I'm wrong and you don't understand it and you didn't do the reading and you didn't

know all this shit and you're just like, I get it, I get it. There's a lot of charts here for somebody without a job. I guess you have the time to put this shit together. That's all they do. And the OSD, they further ruin it by saying the only way to beat these governments at their own game is to transit yourself out through fire and flame and then they double ruin it by actually going through with it and taking dozens of others with them. Scratch your laughs.

That's how you do it. You win all the government by buying all the scratch offs and then you're going to win all the scratch off money and then the government no longer has any cash. What do we do? Yeah, we stop them up and then we spend all our money with that, well, I think his meth addled salesman on My Lottery Dream Home because the man who sells homes to those lottery winners on that HGTV show is in a crisis. He's in the middle of a meth thing.

He's getting more and more weird tribal tattoos. I love it. Yeah, My Lottery Dream Home. If you get a chance, watch it. That guy is a party boy. He has a lot of fun. Yes, he is. He lives a sinister life.

Oh, what? You'd be like, oh, you want $700,000? Let me put you in this $900,000 house. You're on $700,000 here now. And then they're like, you can just see them be like, you're going to be broken two weeks. Well, perhaps the most important clue in the Testaments is how they talk about the 53 people that died on October 4th. They refer to them as either the awakened, the immortals, or the traders.

The awakened, numbered at 15 people, all died by poisoning. What sounds like an overdose to sleeping pills? Okay. That's ironic, but yes. The immortal. Because they went to sleep and it was called the awakened. I didn't thought about that. They died punny.

It's a kind of a punny suicide. You're good. Thank you. The immortals were numbered at 30, and they were all shot or smothered. But by the document's own admission, a lot of those immortals did not go willingly. According to the documents, they were quote, unquote, helped along. And we don't know what actually happened, but we do have a theory. During the autopsies, it was found that most everyone had tranquilizers in their system.

And if you remember, the hidden room in Shiaire was littered with champagne bottles. So it's our thinking that these people, many of whom had no idea what was going on, were going to go down that night, were given laced champagne. I think that they, yeah, exactly, and that they were, they were glugging it because remember, they were not allowed to go to that. I read a little bit more about their rituals, and they were not allowed to go downstairs until three gongs were heard. And you know for it, they heard that bong, bong, bong, and they're like, hell yeah,

coffee cake. We're going out and having a meeting, you know, and then it's just like, champagne, we did it, y'all. And they're like, what? We did it. We did it. We did it. We did it.

We did it. We did it. And they're like, wait a second. It reeks the gasoline in here. And they're like, no, no, it's my color. Uh-oh. Yeah. Then when everyone was good and woozy, the awakened made the big reveal.

Time for transit, y'all. Let's go. Uh-oh. And while I'm sure some of them went along with it, the evidence shows that quite a few of them did not. I'm going to say, check please, got to go to the bathroom, you know, wouldn't you believe it, because I had so much smooth move last night, just, I know it's transit. Were you just, were you screaming, check please, were you screaming, get me out of this, because

you remember, when you scream, check please, because you have to say it correctly, because then the ladder from the helicopter will come through the ceiling and lift you out. Get out of that room if you can. Well, certainly the eight quote unquote traitors found with plastic garbage bags over their heads didn't want to go. But those are the only ones that the temple straight up admitted they murdered. So when we say plastic, are they just garbage bags? Thank you for shopping.

No, they're just garbage bags. They're just garbage bags. Yeah, garbage bags, yeah. Yeah, and the order said that the traitors deserve to be murdered because they were allied with the enemy. The enemy, government of Quebec. Now remember this, because a part of Two Lovers of Justice, what it says again and again is that they really blow up the connections that the Quebec government tried to make, putting

luxurier with Q37. They were trying to do, and so they really were, which were actually what we covered in the last episode, not that big of charges and wasn't that big of an investigation. But they were hung up on it. But didn't they have people working in the government? Weren't there some solar temple members that were like relatively high up? Yeah, but he was like a finance. He was in the finance department.

That's the biggest job. That's the most important job. Yeah, but if you're in finance, well, I guess the labor secretary did get Jeffrey Epstein off. He did get a lot of power. Yeah. Acosta, yeah. So they can reach across.

Let's talk about that on Abe Lincoln's top ad. My guy is disgusted. Well, the thing is, all of this, this is admittedly like hardcore conjecture on our part. We still know very little about what happened because no extensive investigation into these two locations ever really took place. Oh, they didn't have a stenographer or anything like that taking notes? And there very much could have been an investigation here. See, the reason behind the incendiary devices was not just to kickstart the bodies into their

solar vessels. They also wanted to destroy all evidence of their existence, say for the testimonies. And the thing was, there was a ton of evidence left at Sherry because the bombs there didn't work. Now, it could be. The reason why we don't know all this stuff is that the Swiss just aren't as ravenous for details as we Americans are. And the Swiss probably aren't as eager to talk to the media as Americans are either.

Well, we really don't know, right? A part of it is we, you wonder, this is a fascinating story. Why isn't there a, so, why aren't there like 15 books about Joe DiMambro and the OST? It's like, we don't know anything about Joe DiMambro. We don't know anything about his inner life. We know very little about Luxe Ray's early life. So we just kind of assume it seems like are the Swiss just kind of embarrassed? Yeah.

Maybe they're concerned if you talk about it, you give it power. And then it adds to the, to the, to the mythos of it all. Maybe. You're saying that we're, you're saying that we're bad. I'm saying that right now, Joe DiMambro's, there's, there's a coffin slowly opening beneath the ground as we say his name. DiMambro, DiMambro, DiMambro. And he's coming back to earth.

And then he's like, unfortunately, it's Sunday, Chick-fil-A is closed on Sunday. Yeah, I mean, they could be embarrassed. I mean, because in the nineties, like this type of shit didn't happen in Switzerland. This had like, millennial cults killing themselves in huge numbers. That's an American thing. That happens to America. Don't culturally appropriate our death cults, Sweden. Or Switzerland.

But honestly, I feel like they talk about, Waco did happen shortly before this. They were slightly overshadowed by Waco, which is a part of what they said, they, what we talked about last episode, that they were scooped. And I wonder if it's a part of it, the way they just wrote off mass cult suicide is that's the reason for it, which is what we're discovering. One of the most complicated phenomena in existence, the idea of a group of people choosing or not choosing to commit suicide. Is that murder, is it not when you're already so indoctrinated by somebody else?

It is a hernitz nest of bullshit. And you just wonder if the Swiss cops were just like, and we're done, mass cult suicide and we're done. Okay, cool. All right. Back to watches. There's always a lot of murder. It's never 100% participation.

No. That's for sure. It's true. That is true. Definitely not. Yeah. But possibly because Europe at large ignored it and because it was kind of meant to be forgotten a little over a year later, it happened again.

But this time it happened in France, outside the town of Grenoble in a place known locally as the Well of Hell. Now why did you get your name? That's such a fun name. We just, it smells like farts down here. Oh, that's such a fun name. On the winter solstice, December 23rd, 1995, 16 more order of the solar temple members died.

And it's likely many of those people were murdered as well. It's believed that most of them thought that they were just meeting in the woods for a winter solstice ritual because it was apparently common practice at this time for order members to do shit like that together. Okay. They always did. They always did. They loved the solstice.

All right. But again, when the autopsies on these 16 bodies were done, it was found that most of them have been drugged. One woman was found with a fractured jaw and all of them have been shot in the head. Geez. It was very difficult to, very difficult to choose to shoot yourself in the back of the head. Yeah.

Absolutely. Now it was surmised from forensic evidence that a French police officer named Jean-Pierre Lordonchet and a Swiss architect named Andre Freedley shot the other 14 people, including three children with 22 caliber rifles and a nine millimeter handgun as they all sat around a cap fire. So these were like educated people. Yeah. What was it?

An architect? And who else? An architect and a police officer. My goodness. They were very hopeful. That's what this is, is that they truly did believe that they weren't dying, that they were going to wake up on Sirius with the Knights Templar. Well, you know what?

You're going to die at some point. Just wait. Yeah. Wait it out. And then we can see. Then we can see. Then they'll go. Then they'll be there.

They then arranged the bodies in a sunburst pattern, doused them in gasoline, and set them on fire. Then, as the bodies burned, the two men stood and shot themselves in the mouth so that their bodies would fall back and complete the final two spokes on the wheel. I mean, honestly, I'm not saying anything about anything, but they did finish the job. Yeah. If you're going to do it right, if you're going to do it with style, you execute it properly.

Yeah. It's going to last in the memories of people. I guess. And that's what they wanted. Also, the part of it, the ritual part of it, is they really did believe in it. To go as far as this, and I know that maybe that's the most morbid extent of my imagination, but you sit there and you're like, that takes a lot of mental energy to actually plot these bodies out in a way that we're going to lie in a specific pattern.

That is, in magical thinking, incredibly powerful, which is why they do it. I mean, all it does is that because you're using death, though, if you really do believe in ritual magic, you are inviting so much chaos and negative shit into the world by doing that, but I guess that's what they were trying to do. I guess so. I mean, it is surprising that they didn't just look at each other after they killed everyone and be like, let's just go home, but they went through with it. But even after all this, it still wasn't over.

On March 22, 1997, five more order members took their lives, although thankfully it wasn't as bad as it could have been due to the quick thinking of three plucky teenagers. Plucky teenagers? Yeah, man. Scooby-Doo gang. Really? They're in St. Casimir, Quebec, in the home of Didier Cuisie. Oh, I don't want to do that.

No gandu. Those? Didier Cuisie. I don't want to go to Didier Cuisie. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, there, three teenagers woke up to find that their parents had scattered propane tanks, hot plates, and other fire hazards around the house. Oh, my God.

It's like, what's the name of that new horror film? Oh, Hereditary. It's like Hereditary. Yeah. But can you imagine, though, for a second, though, if I was a teenager and I found all this shit, it'd be like, fuck yeah, let's go blow up some shit outside. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, take the propane, let's fucking get this going, and you're like, oh, mommy

and daddy, you're going to kill everyone. Yeah, I mean, you know, I guess they're not Varg Vickerson. Vickerson. So, Vickers, whatever. When the parents explained to the kids that it was time for transit, the kids somehow managed to convince their parents to let them go into the nearby workshop and just take some sleeping pills instead. And this was an all day conversation.

Jeez. And the plan worked, but when the kids woke up the next day, their parents were all dead, four of them, and their bodies had been arranged upstairs in the shape of the cross. And Didier's mother was lying dead on the sofa with a plastic bag over her head. Oh, she was a... A trader. She was a trader. Why was she a trader?

Probably didn't want little Didier to, or Didier, maybe, Didier... Didier, Didier. Yeah, no Didier. Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, Didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier. Didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier,

didier, didier, didier. Didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, didier, Did he hear Queezy indeed? And with that, the total body count of the Order of the Solar Temple ended at 74, but it was almost over 100, about a year and a half after Quebec, coincidentally 20 years ago to this day, an Order Splinter Group damn near pulled off the biggest massacre of all, Heidi Fitt-Kaugartha, she was a 57 year old Berlin psychologist, she, in just three short years, managed to convince 31 Germans and one Spaniard that she was something called

the world mother, in addition to being the reincarnation of Tsar Nicholas II. For some reason, Fitt-Kaugartha, I would believe it if she's like I'm the world mother. I get that. Absolutely. Yeah. Because she is the size, I imagine she's like four women standing shoulder to shoulder, but Heidi, in my mind, I love the idea of a female cult leader. I love this idea of her because there's something, I'm not saying sexy, but something about a

German psychologist doing or saying all of this shit, because that to me is very attractive. Right. And that's just another thing that doesn't really add to the story, it's just what you're attracted to. That's just, a lot of insights into Henry's sexual motivations today. Oh yeah. They're right on my sleeve, they're right on my sleeve, they're easy to find. This woman had such a hold over these people that she also convinced them that another

cult member was the reincarnation of Vladimir Lenin. And since his reincarnation had killed her reincarnation, the Lenin reincarnate got to be the cult's whipping boy, so you could do anything you wanted with the Lenin guy. He was the Donny. Oh wow. But the biggest whopper was that the world was going to end on December 8th, 1998. And that the only way out was to kill themselves at a volcano on Tenerife and the Canary Islands, because that was the best place to hitch a ride on a pass in Starship.

But thankfully, by that time, people in Europe were starting to take the whole death cult thing a little more seriously. So police raided this cult's last supper and arrested Heidi Fitcau Gartha, but left alone the other six UFO cults that were reportedly also in Tenerife at the time. Honestly. Can you imagine this, right? Because they come, they get rid of that one UFO cult, and the next UFO cults be like, oh thank god they got kicked out, because then we get the good spot near the top.

They got that true. That's who really it is. I'm really sick of being like, we got here too late, right, so now we can get up closer to where the spaceship can really scoop us up. Okay everybody, get the poison. This is like, alright, okay, we have a bop, we're getting a camp together. I'm surprised they live taking Fitcau Gartha away from the table like that. I would have freaked out if I was here.

She's still out there, man. Yeah dude, Fitcau Gartha. She's still out there? Still active to this day. Got her own YouTube channel. Really? And you can find a complete archive over at HeidiLovesYou.com. Which is not a play on my Twitter handle, which is Henry Loves You.

No, that's good. If she was really the mother of the world, she'd have a Netflix special. We all know that. Anyone can have a YouTube channel. Now of course, when there's so much senseless death and tragedy, the public wants someone to blame. And in the case of the Grenoble murders, that person was Swiss composer Michael Tabaknik. Now this guy was a real deal composer and conductor.

This was a, he's a very wealthy and powerful person, especially within the music world. And the fact that he had to be like, because originally we knew that he was a little bit more involved in the OST than he liked to say. And he begged off pretty quick as soon as it came to like, you're maybe responsible for 15 deaths. Yeah, yeah. Slowly back out, slowly back out the door there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, this guy had written a lot of the order's lore with Domambro, and it was actually said by some former members that Tabaknik was actually third in command. And it was thought that Tabaknik was probably the guy who was tapped to run things, including further murder suicides after Shirei and Domambro were dead. So Tabaknik was put on trial in France. But since there was no evidence whatsoever that Tabaknik had anything to do with Grenoble but directly, he was set loose after a nine day trial and later served as chief conductor of the Newark-Nitterland's Orchist from 2005 to 2011.

This guy is a very, a very well respected conductor in Europe. What do conductors do? They flail. They resist an arrest. Technically, I've been told time and time again what they do is important. But what is it? Can I tell you what it is? No clue.

I don't know. No clue. They keep them on time. But it looks like all the musicians are doing all the work. But that's the thing, they also point towards like trombones up, up, up and into flutes down, down, down. A robot can do it. Yes.

A robot can hear it and a robot can do it. It's about certain things. You want the horns to be louder. You want the drums to be played with more fortissimo, which is a term, I think. Yeah. Allegro. Okay. Allegro.

I don't know. And so for years afterward, agencies in Switzerland, France and Quebec went on high alert around the time of every solstice in the anticipation that the Order of the Solar Temple would do it again. But as far as we know, the Solar Temple is no more. 1998 was the last time they were in the news. And even then, that was just a splinter group who seemed to have just used the order as a stepping stone, like the order used every esoteric group that came before it.

But if the Order of the Solar Temple is still active, then it follows that we would have no idea. They're not really the kind of group that's going to set up like a Facebook group to announce their return like Lord Rael. And so the Order of the Solar Temple, instead of being an entry in the list of legitimate esoteric secret societies, will forever be known as nothing more than a run-of-the-mill death cult led by an incontinent old man and a new age health food guru. Wow.

Wow. I love this story. I don't know why we have to really hit home the incontinent part. But yes. How are you feeling? Are you feeling a little sensitive today? Well, today I am. Again, if you're out there, Smooth Move is very serious.

Yeah, you're not supposed to take six. Why would you even drink six types of tea? I mixed it with whiskey. Oh, so you had six whiskeys. You mixed it with whiskey? I had six Smooth Move teas with whiskey, which is also problematic, because, uh, anyway, that was the Order of the Solar Temple. Awesome.

Part three. Unbelievable. I did look into the rumors of Grace Kelly being, uh, involved with the OST because there was a little bit of, at some point, one of the guys that said that he was DiMambro's driver went out and said that Grace Kelly was being courted by them and that was given 10 million, Grace Kelly gave them $10 million and that DiMambro was trying to make her one of his wives. Oh.

Um, but it seems like because she died in 1982 and the OST technically was not started until 1984 that it seems that unless she was involved with one of the splinter groups, um, that it does not hold a lot of water. Yeah. To piggyback on Henry's Big Lebowski reference, which we have to do by law as 30 mid-30s white males, um, where is the money? Yeah. What happened to all of this money?

Oh, aren't they, weren't they like a super, there's someone sitting on it somewhere, right? Yeah. I'm sure the government seized it. Oh, you think so? I'm sure, yeah. And there's, I mean, there's even more conspiracy theories that are tied to this. Like some think that the death in Grenoble was a revenge murder carried out by the Quebecois government.

Uh, some think that the OST were murdered to cover up a deal made between President Jimmy Carter and extraterrestrials who had built an underground laboratory. Honestly, Jimmy Carter would have been the greatest to deal with the UFOs, come in, have some peanuts. Look at this. The peanut kind of looks like your head. I love, Jimmy Carter would have been the only president out of trusted to deal with the extraterrestrials.

Mm-hmm. I agree. No, Eisenhower did okay with it. I know he was supposedly, supposedly. Bill Clinton would have had fun with it and he would have played the saxophone and he would have went and got him a Donald's. Bill Clinton would have first do what they do when they abducted Bill Clinton would have done that to them and then that would have started a whole intergalactic war.

All right. Well, wow. Thank you so much for listening to this series. That was great. Yeah. I learned so much. Yeah, it was a lot to learn. It's a lot to learn.

Oh, yeah. It's a lot to learn and again, it's the type of information that just so happens to make you dumber. I like Rosicrucianism because I think it's a port of, I'm trying to read more of the original documents. I'm trying to read more of the actual old spiritual books so you can kind of get into the head of what inspired these guys. So again, I'm building my library for my shot at being a cult leader.

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