Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 348: Josef Mengele Part I - The Rise of Eugenics

Episode Date: January 19, 2019

On the first of our three part series on Dr. Josef Mengele aka the Angel of Death, we follow the rise of possibly the cruelest of all Nazis as it runs concurrently with the advancement of the deadly science in early Nazi Germany that eventually led to the Holocaust. 

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well. That's a good way of putting it. I'm not a monster. I don't know. I'm not a born a monster. So I think I just become like this. On today's episode and the next couple of episodes, we're covering a dude. He is maybe perhaps the worst person in the world, one of them top five.

We'll give him top five. We're going to talk about Joseph Mangala and it is going to be hard to deal with at some parts, but we're going to get you the information you need to know. Mangala. He's not a bad person. What? Henry. Henry.

Jesus. We're moving off to a very controversial start. Please don't want to isolate that. This is like the rock opera. It's a rock opera. I don't want it to be like this. I don't know. It's how my brain copes.

It's how my brain allows it to survive. I watched quite a few documentaries and I understand it is difficult to get through. You got to find some coping mechanism because what we're going to talk about is obviously extremely dark and extremely morbid and in many ways, of course, in all ways, extremely sad. Well, Joseph Mangala, aka the Angel of Death, was a Nazi SS officer who oversaw the cruelest and most useless human experiments in Auschwitz, the most infamous and brutal of all Nazi concentration camps.

Mangala was personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, not only through being one of the main selectors who decided who lived and who would be sent immediately to the gas chambers upon the arrival to Auschwitz, but also through the torturing and killing of thousands, mostly children, just to see what would happen. Just to see what would happen. That is the element here that is the scariest, of course, and if you look at Joseph Mangala. I think this is, in a way, this is a heavy hitter, but it's a heavy hitter. It's a serial killer who got a job to be a serial killer with a government that is entirely

filled with serial killers, so it's that, it's the, Mangala is the extension of the long horrible arm of the Nazis and what it would do to a bunch of innocent people. Right, of course. I mean, it's sad when, obviously, the outcome of, like, what's gonna happen, they're gonna die. I would just like to tell them that so that maybe you don't have to do all of this crap. Well, part of the point was that they would die, because part of the point, not even part of the point, a lot of times the biggest point was to kill them to see what the experiments

had done to their organs, and that was why they were so excited to be working in this environment because they, for the first time in human history, were completely unfettered from any sort of morality whatsoever. Perfect storm. And I don't know why this surprised me so much, but Mangala was doing all of this, starting at the horrifyingly young age of 32. We're gonna get into his backstory a little bit here, right? Very much so.

It does seem very bizarre that you would just snap your brain at the age of 32 and decide that this is the road to go down as a doctor. It's not a, it is a slow progression, but at the same time, like, it makes sense and doesn't make sense all at the same time, but we'll get into it. Yeah, you'll see, Kissel, you'll learn how someone can go from being a normal, humble, dressed, Bavarian youth to being the angel of death of Auschwitz. I understand, makes sense, but also doesn't make sense, you know what else doesn't make sense, but also makes sense?

Schnitzel. Are you talking about Schnitzel? Schnitzel makes no sense to me. Nothing makes sense to me. I don't know. Kissel, first of all. I thought it was sausage-based food, for until I was about 25 and I'm half German. Kissel.

I did not realize it was pounded down. Only the Germans could take me. You are mostly German. There is literally nothing wrong with Schnitzel. It's absolutely delicious. It is the German version of fucking chicken parmesan. Isn't chicken cut? Or is it downing this?

I have never been so offended. It really is. It makes no sense. It's like a thing that you said. Just call it a chicken cutlet, but what does it do? Is that even made of chicken? You know, it's not a veal. It's veal.

Which I don't necessarily eat anymore, but at the same time it's delicious. I just realized that Schnitzel is the most German thing of all time. It's a baby calf that has been tortured its entire life and then they beat it and they pound it and then they deep fry it. Well, Mengele was what you would call the perfect Nazi. He took orders without question. He believed wholeheartedly in the mission of Adolf Hitler, he was a virulent anti-Semite and all of his tasks were done with a ghoulish, almost unbelievable delight.

And that's the thing that sets him apart even from the worst of the worst that he was working with at Auschwitz is the fact that they said he did everything with a smile on his face. If we have to do a, you know, when you like have to name the celebrity by their smile, Mengele's smile versus Ed Gein. He's got the more like something's wrong upstairs smile. Well, Ed Gein was kind of just a simple farm boy who got too curious for his own good. He was sick as well. He was very, very sick, Mengele was not sick.

He was sick. The entire fucking, the entire country got sick. That's how I sort of view it almost. It was like a mental fucking illness. Germany went insane for fucking 13 years and this is what came out of it. So Mengele's smile was part of the reason why he was even recognized by some of his workers when he had fled to Argentina. So it's interesting.

You brought up his smile. Well, Mengele had a very distinctive smile because he had a huge gap between his front teeth. Oh, okay. However, to be the perfect Nazi is to be somewhat dull because Joseph Mengele was a flavorless shell devoid of humanity with all the personality of a reptile, right? But you'd think considering what he did, his past would be a nightmare comparable to the worst of serial killers.

But surprisingly, the history of Mengele prior to Auschwitz is not much different than any other SS officer. Jeez. In fact, to this day, we're still not sure what Joseph Mengele's exact motivations were. I think it was Marlboro points. Well, honestly, man, I know people who literally died of cancer 15 years ago, but they still have an inflatable raft and that lasts a lifetime. My dad's dream was the canoe and he couldn't even fit into a goddamn canoe.

Marlboro Miles is one of the worst marketing schemes in the history of marketing. But the fact that Mengele is not much different from any other SS officer is precisely why this is a fascinating story because the story of Mengele runs side by side with thousands of other doctors who collectively lost their minds over a period of a few decades. This is not the story of how Germany came under the spell of Hitler. This is the story of how thousands of doctors took advantage of that spell to commit acts of cruelty beyond what anyone thought possible. It just so happens that Mengele was the worst of them.

Honestly, in the middle of this, I finally did. It's the first time I went to the doctor in a couple of years, and so I went to the doctor and the whole time I'm just being like, doctors, you can't trust fucking doctors. You can't. Oh my God. The way they were pushing that flu vaccine. It does get to a point being like, is the mark of the beast in that? Is there an FID chip in that?

Hey, man, I was at my therapist this past week here on Thursday or whatever, and he just called me fat a bunch, and then he told me I had to go to the doctor, and then this is not the time to be talking about that kind of stuff. You know, diet is very directly related to mental health. Yeah, I know. That's what he said. No, he said my organs might be all messed up, and I'm like, they're fine. They're all in there.

But that's interesting. You say spell. Joe Mackey is a very funny comedian, but he talks about Hitler convincing everyone blue eyes and blonde hairs the way to be when he has dark eyes and dark hair, and that just shows you the power of this, what was going on there. Now, some say that Mengele was driven by pure academic ambition, that he used the human being sent to Auschwitz to advance his own career using resources, i.e., living human beings, that nobody in history had ever had access to.

Others say that Mengele was just playing at being a scientist, that he was a pure psychopath who just enjoyed playing God, cataloging his quote-unquote research and collecting rare specimens, whether it be an interesting gallstone or a whole family of dwarves, just because he could. Kind of sort of like the way Michael Jackson curated his ranch, the Neverland Ranch. Yeah, I guess so, in a way. And Michael Jackson just got monkeys. He got the elephant man.

Tigers. He got the elephant man books. He did buy Joseph Merrick's bones. He did. And also, I mean, I'm not going to not say he didn't have a couple of dwarves just hanging around, only just so that he could dress them up as children, so that they could talk to the children and be like, it's not so bad, kid, once you get used to it, there's a pension. Oh my goodness, a union rep, huh?

That's not good. Things are going the wrong direction there. But whatever Mengele really was, I do think that one of the observations I read during our research is true. And any other time, Mengele would have been nothing more than a slightly sadistic German professor. He wouldn't have been a serial killer. Geez.

I mean, it's interesting because I think there's a combination to all of this, especially, I mean, this is going to be an ongoing conversation we're going to have as we go through his crimes and they do the deep dive behind his rise and shit like that. But a part of it is, I don't even know anymore. Like, once you get into his life in Auschwitz, which I think you put correctly, it's like he came online, as when he got to Auschwitz, he became the thing that technically fate was bringing him towards the be this monster. But I mean, even as a sadistic German professor with the shit that he did, I would not want

to be his TA. No, that's for sure. Yeah. I have no idea. It would be interesting to know if you went down like the Curtin, Peter Curtin route or something at some point. I don't think so. Peter Curtin ended up killing people a little bit later in life as well.

A little bit. But I really don't think that Mengele would have done what I don't think he would have just kidnapped children off of the street and tried to sew them together to see what would happen. If I do this right now, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to do it. Well, that's the thing is that like Nazi Germany and particularly Auschwitz activated something in Mengele and hundreds of other SS officers.

But in slight contrast, Mengele was the only one who didn't really seem bothered by the whole operation. I mean, we're going to get into it fully on the second episode, but there isn't going to be any myth busting here. Auschwitz really does deserve its reputation as the worst place in human history that we know of. Just thinking about the bunker that Mengele worked out of, which we'll talk about in any of like, where are there other places in this world where more evil energy is centered besides,

I mean, where Unit 731 was started, the CeCe's Pizza and Tallahassee. Yeah, something about this time period, people were really, I guess, medically curious in all the wrong ways. It is interesting. It's like when you go to, have you ever been to a papermill town? Yeah. Smells like farts. Oh yeah.

It smells like farts. And you go there and then you look at everyone in the face and you're like, smells like, you just want them to recognize it smells, but they don't know that it smells. And you're like, it definitely smells. There was an article, what book we were going to, I want to say was when we were doing Mark Twitchell, because they said that one of the other Canadian towns around it was a papermill. And what they said is that they see, it doesn't smell like farts. It smells like money, it also sounds like the weirdest porn producer in L.A.

That's not a fart. That is money. He's just him wiping calm off a black couch and eating it and being like, tastes like money. But a part of it, honestly, but deep within, not your ignorant point, Kissel, there is a bit of truth in that, which is the idea of people getting used to something at one point. I'm saying Henry would consider being human.

Wow. You're like a Mark Twain. Well, the thing about Mengele that really set him apart is that he literally whistled his way through Auschwitz. Like that was what they said about him is that he would constantly be whistling either Wagner, of course, or Puccini. That's how people came to dread hearing whistling because they knew that's when Mengele was coming.

Good God. The idea of going to Auschwitz was at the same time baffling and completely unknowable. In fact, I would like to quote one of the Jewish doctors who was forced to work in the camp. He said, the professor would like to understand what is not understandable. We ourselves who were there and who have always asked ourselves the question and will ask it until the end of our lives, we will never understand it because it cannot be understood. I've been talking about it with Natalie for the last couple of days, obviously, going

through all of this material and a part of it is that I feel like the more I read about the Nazis, it's true, the less I understand. The more I'm at this sort of very intense intersection of just going like, why? Why? Why did it get like this? Why did it get like this? I mean, you can kind of see. I mean, obviously, I know that there are historical reasons why and there are the things that

led up to it, but it's just more of being like, wow, they all just really let themselves throw this this id driven hate filled temper tantrum that they were all a part of in one go. Well, you know, it's interesting when I was in Uruguay with my grandmother, I was able to record about seven hours worth of conversations and we did talk about this stuff and there is no explanation other than it was it was simply the culture and they just didn't want to be the ones who are going to be tormented. They wanted to be, you know, they knew that they had to be in order to stay safe.

They had to go along and do these things and then also you don't have technology. So they didn't know they knew shit was going on. They knew about all of the ghettos and stuff like that. They knew people were being killed. They knew Jewish businesses were being destroyed. But there was a lot of willful ignorance when it comes to this stuff. Now although Mengele's life prior to Auschwitz contains no keys to unlocking the mystery of Mengele, his individual journey.

While not as detailed as many of our overviews is still important to understanding how Germany got to Auschwitz. But before we begin, let's acknowledge our sources. We got Mengele, the whole story by Gerald Posner, the Nazi doctors by Robert J. Lifton, which is dense but fucking fascinating. It's about the psychology of these guys. You got Auschwitz by Miklos Nyisli. I'm not sure exactly how to pronounce that.

I think you nailed it, without a doubt that's how you pronounce it. He was Mengele's assistant and wrote a memoir after being released. Okay, so he got away like they're like, oh you were just the assistant? He had no choice. He had no choice whatsoever. There's a lot of people that were chosen specifically because they were doctors to get pulled out of the lineup in order to help. He was a pathologist, so he worked on dissections.

And we also have to cite the British documentary series, Science and the Swastika. You know what's really relieving in all of this research is that unfortunately I watch quite a bit of stuff with Wendy. And Wendy really does not react well to Hitler's speeches. Hitler's speeches, and I mean it. She would literally go like, like she would make these weird noises and stuff and I'm so glad it wasn't her just wagging her tail and doing a little signal. So without further ado, let's get into the story of Josef Mengele, and by extension,

the story of Auschwitz itself. Josef Mengele was born on March 16th, 1911, the first of three sons born to Karl and Walburga Mengele. I heard hamburgers are horrible. Worst food we ever had was at the Boston airport at the Walburgers. We got it for free. We got it for free. It was so bad.

But yes, his mother's name was Walburga. Which is actually how they pronounce it, the Walburks. Yeah. Walburga. Well, well. Walburga. The family were strict Catholics and Mengele, even when he became a Nazi, and this somewhat sets him apart as well.

He still listed himself as Catholic rather than writing the stock Nazi answer of believer in God. God, he's so brave. So brave. Didn't the Nazis, my understanding is that they didn't particularly care for the Catholics. No. Well, the Catholics also somewhat, the Catholics let a lot of shit slide. Yeah.

Because they also helped a bunch of Nazis get out of Germany to get into South America, which we'll talk about it too. With Josef Mengele, I think it's interesting because we were talking about this before the show, and it's true. Every one of the documentarians I saw said the same thing. It's like, Josef Mengele, handsome, dashing, charming, funny with the lady, sexy, sharp as a tack. He had to be the envy of men everywhere.

And then I'm looking at Josef Mengele and I'm like, he looks like Ricky Ricardo. I was attracted back then. Yeah, I watched a documentary and the woman, she was a survivor, but she describes him dressed perfect, beautiful shoes, stoic face. I was like, this is the man's a monster. You see that a lot. I mean, very weird. I mean, you see it a lot.

It's because they want them to look like, like hookfaced, hunchback monsters. They want the, you see him being like, yeah, you meet Josef Mengele and he's like, you got some explaining to do and everyone just thinks he's funny and cute because he's playing with the fucking bongos and shit. Right. Yeah. Richard Chase is as attractive as I want my serial killers to be. That's it.

You got to look weird. Well, yeah, I think Henry makes a very good point is that they do expect them to look the way on the outside that they are on the inside. And when they, when that doesn't match up, when those two things don't match up at all, it's jarring and people remember it. Like you definitely remember that sort of thing. Right. And the Mengele family lived in the Bavarian town of Goonsburg, where they eventually found

it a farm equipment company that was so successful that the Mengele's essentially ran the town. I did a bit of a Google street walk of Goonsburg. I went through it. I looked up like the town center and I literally walked through the streets and it's very small, very cute. It looks like a little Hummel town. And you know that Goonsburg, it's got a thriving downtown shopping area and it has one of the top five Legoland theme parks in Germany.

No shit. Things have changed. But again, it is this cute little place that everybody, you know, idyllic, looks like a fucking postcard that you go visit your opa, you know what I mean, go skiing on the weekends. But it's like, it's got the type of racism that it's like if you go to a little vacation town where it's like, you know, maybe the KKK is in the forest. But instead of maybe it being the KKK, it's the KKK, but they believe they are descended from the wizards of white people that are from down deep inside the centers of mountains

and shit. Right. It's very scary. Yeah, absolutely. And of course they also had Playmobil, which is a toy very popular in Germany that I played with as a child and none of my friends would play with me. Because they're, they are very, very bland. They really are the most bland toys of all time.

Well, speaking of the Mengele's Farm Equipment Company, to this day, you can actually buy new tractors and plows with the name Mengele plastered on the side, although the family rebranded themselves as Mengele and Sons in the 80s. The Sons are the problem. What do you mean Mengele and Sons? How does that make it better? Your oldest son is Joseph Mengele. The other two Sons weren't technically not part of the problem.

They just did a lot of like, they were very proud of Joseph Mengele and two thirds of our sons. Hey old Danes here, my name is Carl Mengele and people say I'm crazy for slashing prices on all of these tractors. And people say I'm crazy for slashing these prices, but I tell you what I'm crazy for, the belief sets of real energy inside of me powers me to overcome to Newton. Alright, let's take the ad back, I think we'll get it one more time here. With telling me Mengele and Sons has no internet presence whatsoever, there's no Mengele.com.

So are they still in business, they're the John Deere of this part of Germany? I only know that they still make Mengele tractors and trailers because I found a used farming equipment site selling a 2009 Mengele Silo Bull 8000 for $28,000. I'm just gonna say rebrand, but Mengele was known as like, that was the highest quality farm equipment around, Mengele what you're right, Mengele was the John Deere. Just call it Johnson's. Anything, anything, whatever. As we said earlier, Joseph Mengele's childhood was completely normal, although being the

eldest son of the family who ran the whole goddamn town probably had an effect on his sense of superiority. The weirdest thing about his childhood was just that his nickname was Beppo. Beppo? Beppo. Beppo? Beppo. He got cut out of the stooches.

What happened? Did you mime? No, there were accidents, but none that would point towards mass murder. No, you just took over Beppo, how the hell did you get a nickname Beppo? What do you have to do in elementary school to get nicknamed Beppo? Joseph, the whole story didn't go into why he was called Beppo, just said that his childhood nickname was Beppo. You just like tiny hats and cigars that blow up?

I mean honestly, if you would be much more excited about the name Beppo if he was a young man trying to get it onto the Notre Dame football team, and he was a rag boy and everybody just felt he could work hard enough to get on the team, but when it's one of the orchestrators of the worst crimes against humanity of all time, Beppo takes a different color. Right, absolutely. Yeah, if I remember correctly, Beppo I think was Superman's monkey. Really? Yeah.

Interesting. Okay. I'm at the super horse, streaky the super cat. We get it Superman, everything is super, understood, thank you. The only kinds of accidents that Joseph Mengele had, because that's what we always look for when we're talking about these psychopaths, we look for childhood incidents, mostly head injuries. Right.

What he had, he almost drowned in a rainwater barrel on one occasion, and he almost died of blood poisoning on another. Rainwater barrel? Yeah, yeah, you fall head first. Would you just hang it out in a rainwater barrel? Yeah, kids are playing, you fall head first into a rainwater barrel, next thing you know you're dead. They live the fun, quiet lives of white people on top.

I guess so. Now although, you know, these are traumatic events, apparently like childhood blood poisoning sepsis is one of the worst things kids can go through, like it definitely results in PTSD for some, I mean, they don't really seem bad enough to completely flip the switch on compassion, so completely so as to explain Joseph Mengele's later actions. Right. Now Mengele always had an interest in medicine and biology, but his first choice of career was not doctor.

Hoping to fill a profession that had no presence in Gunsburg, Mengele originally wanted to be a dentist. Oh, it's so scary. So scary. What child grows up in 1920? And it's just like, I want to work with teeth. Like that was so scary. Like, yes, I want to see the talons come out to school, I want to scrape them with my

hook. Especially the old school German teeth, just the dirt and the grime. But Mengele's ambition eventually won out, as it was said that he was highly competitive with his two younger brothers. In fact, he once told a friend that he would one day read the name Joseph Mengele and the Encyclopedia. Wow. He was known as the man who fixed Britain's teeth, or like the dude who figured out you

can cap your teeth with gold. But instead, obviously. So he decided instead to study general medicine, emphasizing on anthropology and human genetics, which was a decision that would have an effect on hundreds of thousands of lives. In 1930, Mengele traveled to Munich to begin his studies at Munich University. It just so happened that Munich was exactly where Adolf Hitler was consolidating power for his eventual takeover of the German government. I do believe that Mengele's father was an early supporter of Adolf Hitler, and that

they had connections, because there are pictures of them hanging out up until then, and it seems to be that the Munich connection was a little bit on purpose, that Mengele wanted to go to the center of the action. And so once he got there, because the entire town had Hitler fever. Hitler fever. I mean, he was a populist and, you know, grew it. It took a little time. Well, actually, Mengele said that when he first got there in 1930, he was like, I just

want to study. I don't want to get to all of this political stuff. Hey, Mengele, this is you from the future. You're going to fucking love it. Really? Yeah. You're going to love it. You're going to explain him to do a future, me.

See, by 1930, the Beer Hall Pusch, in which Hitler and the earliest Nazis attempted to overthrow the German government, that was eight years in the past. Hitler had already done his time in prison, and had become a global figure in the time since with both his highly publicized treason trial and the publication of his manifesto, Mein Kampf. However, Mengele did not immediately join the Nazi party, as he wouldn't become an official party member until 1936. His father, on the other hand, like Henry alluded to, recognized that there was quite

a bit of money to be made following this Hitler fellow, so he officially joined the Nazi party in 1931. Carl Mengele even hosted a Hitler rally, giving a platform for a speech on Farman held at the Mengele factory. It's like Iowa. It's like the Iowa State Fair. Like the Iowa caucuses. Yeah.

I love it. I mean, in a neighboring town, there seems to be a young Heinrich Kessel, like wondering where Hitler's attention would be on their new Bierstein helmets that they were creating. I mean, we have come up with, no, Mr. Hitler, please come, please sponsor us, we've come up with a new way of combining a light beer with a citrus fruit called Laue, that is almost impossible to drink. Germans are a cold, mean people in many ways, but you give me a good, fat, drunk German, you're going to have a good time.

That's for sure. So did Mengele, because they were in farming equipment, did they get a contract with the government at all? Yep, because Carl Mengele was so cozy with Hitler from the beginning, Mengele and Sons essentially became the official farm equipment of the Third Reich. What this tells us is that Mengele's anti-Semitism didn't just suddenly appear with the Nazi Party, and by extension, anti-Semitism was not something that Hitler and the Nazis created in Germany.

And this is a big part of the whole how did it happen type of conversations, because I think a lot of people think that before like 1933, there weren't a whole lot of anti-Semites in Germany, and all of a sudden Hitler put this big spell on everyone. Now, these people were primed and ready, the belief that the Jewish people were less than and deserving of spite already existed within Europe. In fact, when the Nazis invaded Poland, there were plenty of Poles that welcomed them based completely on their anti-Semitic beliefs. There are also plenty of Poles that were very, very surprised to see them coming down the

street, because again, they were walking backwards. It's the whole fucking thing, there are plenty of Poles that did not enjoy them coming in there, because they were trying to save the recipe for ice. How many do I have to do? Wow, well, obviously he normalized it, right, so then they're like, oh, now we can express it. It was a slippery slope, not at all like this analogy I'm about to give, but I do want to say it.

They put bread, they put cheese in the crust of pizza, and now I'm on Instagram, and I see they're doing garlic knots for the crust, and it started with cheese, and if I had went back and done it, and I'm complicit because I worked at Pizza Hut, and I put string cheese in the crust, I wouldn't do it anymore. Do you see how that this is a modern equivalent to your family, about how you were a part of the industry that normalized this stuff, the family was a part of it, and now you're seeing the horrible fruits that come to bear, and you have to wonder why did I put so much cheese inside those crusts back when it was illegal.

I should have told my 16-year-old self to tell my manager at Pizza Hut this is immoral and wrong. I saw another pizza that was half a calzone. I mean, it's exactly the same. I think it's a really appropriate metaphor. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. It is somewhat appropriate, I guess. God, it's about cheese.

I mean, it is about the slow walk. It's about the slow walk, and it's about how people were primed and ready for this shit, and it was just that Hitler came, and the Nazis came, and it normalized it, and it made it okay to be completely open about all this shit. Many people have also written books about this shit. There's a lot of information past what we're going into here. We're just trying to get back to the current time period with Mengele and see how did all this shit happen.

Oh, yeah. There's plenty of information out there. Oh, yeah. And many of the Nazis, and Mengele especially, eventually came to justify that anti-Semitism with pseudoscience, specifically using the study of what is known as eugenics, conceptualized by Charles Darwin's half-cousin in 1883. Eugenics is pretty much the selective breeding of the human race in order to produce the so-called highest quality of offspring.

Essentially, it's treating people like animals. It's treating them like breeding stock, and it's breeding stock, whether that person be Nazi, slaw of Jewish, or somewhere in between. This philosophy is still prevalent today. Lonzo Ball's dad, what's his name? Lavar Ball, I think. He literally just talks about breeding the kids like stock. Weird.

Like, if you read the interviews with him and watch them, it's like, Jesus. And also, Frank Thomas, he's pushing these pills called Nugetix. And every time I see them, they're literally called Nugetix. Weird. I'm like, it's a little creepy. Got that name. He just didn't know. He is not looking into the history books to reflect on his new supplement name.

I know. Big hurt. A little strange, though. Surprisingly, though, Germany was not the first place that eugenics took hold. We here in the United States were actually the first country to put eugenics into practice. USA. USA. When do we cheer?

USA. USA. USA. America. Starting in 1907, we sterilized thousands of criminals, mental patients, and alcoholics all in the name of eugenics. I mean. Oh, that eliminates a couple of us.

Doesn't it? Yeah. For the alcoholics. Your drug can be like, I don't got to worry about it anymore. The whole thing began in Indiana, with 29 other states following suit with sterilization programs of their own over the following 30 to 60 years. Jeez. Eventually, California would lead the way, sterilizing more people than every other state

combined. Wow. Honestly, I don't want to malign. Again, I said the word malign, have a drink. They are weak people. Well, I will say, the one thing California definitely propagates is the use of tight pants. So I feel like that could be it.

That's a part of it. It continues to this day. For now, I'm trying to go more athleisure. I'm trying to wear softer pants, so my sperm can get bigger and thicker. Oh, is that what you're working on right now? Oh, yeah. Oh, right. Man, I wear briefs every day, and I wear like thick pants.

My sperm, A-OK. That's great. I just went and got them tested. They are swimming. You got them tested? Yeah, you're taking A-S-T. Yeah, A-S-T. Exactly.

You give them a little pencil? How do you test your sperm? They ran them through the sprint competition that we do with the NFL, the beginning region, like the training camp. Just him coming on the front of a big marathon. Just a bunch of people throwing ones down, betting on them. This eugenics thing, it was not just a far right-wing belief, although it was first embraced totally in 1894 by something called the Immigration Restriction League, which sought to prevent

the dilution of American racial stock. But everyone from the Rockefellers to W.E.B. Dubois to the founder of the NAACP held eugenic beliefs to some degree. Hell, even J.H. Kellogg, the breakfast cereal guy that was obsessed with masturbation, he was fully behind eugenics. Were you talking about me from college? That was me.

Really? The breakfast cereal guy obsessed with masturbation, that's what you were known as. That's me. The Kellogg's guy is obsessed with masturbation? Oh yeah, dude, the Kellogg, J.H. Kellogg has a hell of a history. Really? Yeah, part of this whole thing is like, yeah, eat cornflakes, so you won't masturbate so

much. So you won't masturbate? Yeah. I guess. I'll tell you what, they seem to pair really well like a red wine and a steak. But in Nazi culture, eugenics had an extra kick. Always, man. So-called science was paired with the Nazis' occult beliefs, particularly those put forth

by Madame Helena Blavatsky, who is probably second only to Alistair Crowley when it comes to mentions on this show. This is important to remember, is that a bunch of silly shit led to the worst crimes in humankind. We'll go into it right now, Mark, as you do the dance. To give a refresher, Madame Blavatsky wrote in her 1888 book, The Secret Doctrine, about the seven root races of mankind. Among them were the Hyperboreans, the Lemurians, who remember we did a whole episode on the

Lemurians. I remember this, yes. A whole episode on that goofy bullshit. And the Atlanteans, like from Atlantis, Atlanteans. And Space Jews. But we didn't- he doesn't go into the Space Jews into this one. There are other people that leapfrog from Blavatsky to Space Jews, but they decided to leave them out of the conversation for Nazi purposes.

That's right. And that's Madame Blavatsky saying that word, those words together. Not Henry. No, it isn't. It's Henry. Oh. I mean, it's the way I'm paraphrasing. I see.

I can't go into the whole, like, going through the tetrahedron stone, different time portals and how they've been here since the beginning of creation. I can't get into that speech because this isn't a bus stop. The race of hope, though, according to Blavatsky, were the Aryans. And you can go listen to our Nazi occult series for a full breakdown of just how goofy all the Nazi beliefs really were. I mean, that's what it is here. The Aryans, all of us Nazi, it was paired with Atlantis and all kinds of other stupid,

goofy bullshit. Well, now we're getting excessive with the call on Atlantis, stupid, because that actually sounds really nice. It is like, so, I mean, this is nerd culture taken to the extreme. It's what we talked about in the occult episode, the Nazi occult episode, is that these are white people nerds. That's what they were nerds about. If you ruin Thor for me, I'm going to be really pissed off.

They already did. They already fucking did. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if it has a white person in it, it's been ruined. Yeah. Anything with runes? Runes have been ruined by these fucking people.

But those beliefs had very real consequences, and it was the doctors, the actual scientists who truly applied the beliefs of the Nazis to horrific purpose. They were the ones who brought it into the real world, whether they believed in all the Atlantis bullshit or not. Right. In fact, as Robert J. Lifton wrote in The Nazi Doctors, again, highly recommended, it was partly this romanticism that attracted eugenicists to national socialism. See, according to Hitler and Mein Kampf, this was a marathon, not a sprint.

The doctors who were to participate in the Nazi eugenics programs were going to be the creators of the Nazi race. And this project was estimated to take up to 600 years to fully realize. So this was an almost mythical effort. Now, you could see the way they sold it, right? Because how exciting would it to be, to be a part of a 600-year program that would slowly allow its tentacles to take over the entire world, and not only are you, you are engineering the people that are going to be those tentacles, the people that are going to take over everything,

but they look just like you. Yep. They are just like you. Right. You are the perfect example of them. You have become God. You're billing them in your image. And this is a part of what I think is interesting, and I think it's a question we'll bring up

again, obviously, in the second episode. But I think that them applying science to it, in a way, right, in the beginning, it was them prepping to win the whole thing, right, is that it was prepping, like, this is before World War II, but they knew that they were going to be making some move at some point, right? And so it's almost like they were building the case then to show that when they won, they can be like, look, we were right. This is all our science to show we were right.

This is the validation behind all of it because, for some reason, deep in our German brain, we need all the fucking the facts to match up to show that we can do these fucking horrible things in the name of science. They need the documents. Can you imagine if they came back and saw the Hitler youth of today looking like target employees out of the job? They would never. They would just be like, can you cut it?

They would never. Those fucking pieces shit, all right, people who wanted to, Hitler, you would be the first against the fucking wall. But about these doctors, on the other hand, one thing I read again and again was that many of these scientists were not really Nazis in the sense that, say, like Heinrich Himmler was a Nazi. Like, full on. He was like a capital NAZI Nazi.

Yeah, like full on Thule Society Nazi. Right. It was just that the Nazis allowed these guys to believe and do reprehensible shit. So therefore, they became Nazis. Right. They also, a lot of times, didn't have a choice. And then they didn't have a choice and then it was either one, it's either, well, we either make a bunch of money and get really popular and become a part of the top of the

social hierarchy within Germany, number one. You also get total access. You're treated like a rock star. So it's either that or I get beat to death by a group of Nazis in the street. What do I choose? Oh, I choose the path of least resistance. And the thing was that it was the scientists who made the Nazis legitimate. In fact, Hitler said that the medical profession was more important to the Nazi regime than

any other. I mean, goofy occult belief was one thing, but if you had a doctor delivering it folded into science, then it held more weight. I mean, as opposed to a lot of people on the right now who don't believe in science at all. Yeah. I mean, these guys were like, and Hitler was like, science is essential to all of this. This cannot happen because, you know, Hitler got all of his stupid beliefs from, you know,

Madame Helena Blavatsky, a magazine called, what was it called, Estora or something like that? Yes, that's right. Like he was coming from all these like goofy fucking places. But Hitler knew it's like, if we want people to really believe this shit, we have to deliver it in science. And they delivered it. I mean, in the propaganda films just like came out over and over again, pamphlets, leaflets,

all kinds of shit, and they packaged all of it in what was seemingly a rational way. You can almost see an inner insecurity of the validity of their own ideas, where Hitler knew also, and the only way to, because that's what he was saying, right, is that he believed, oh, this gives it validity. We're going to show the whole world how powerful the Aryan race is. But he also knows that the idea is going to be so unpopular. There's like, there's a, I think at the beginning it's almost like people will give in to the power of our race.

But eventually realize me like, no, not only do I have to eradicate everybody else in order for this idea to work, is that I have to even create within the quote unquote Aryan race a more pure, rarefied strain of the Aryan race using science. And that basically he's like, we have to reboot the entire world in my vision in order for even work because it would splinter apart. So essentially because people have minds and they're going to understand that they are eventually people will resist this, this concept. Eventually people are going to be upset about what's happening is that in order to gain

total control, he has to rebuild the whole world from the DNA up. And these doctors, they were all in when it came to the Nazi ideology. So I mean, particularly when it came to the SS. Now, for those of you who don't know, the SS were the most ardent of Hitler's Nazis. They were the true believers who enforced his racial policies in Germany and the occupied countries in addition to being the fiercest of his soldiers on the battlefield and worst of all, the ones who ran the concentration camps. These people are freaking terrified when you watch the footage.

They are so scary. And one of the most surprising things that I learned during our research on this series was that the largest group of professionals within the SS was by far doctors. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is more anti-doctor talk. I'm already scared of the doctor, man. I was scared when I went yesterday and I went to a really nice place in Burbank.

Really? They might, I wonder if your doctor, I wonder if your doctor treats Jay Leno. No. Maybe he does. Do you want the same doctor as Jay Leno? Oh. Was there a nice car outside? Have you seen?

Do you know Jay Leno? No, with Jay Leno's, Jay Leno's doctor also has to be vintage. So it's his doctor and his barber and he treats everything by having him drink burp. But years before the rise of the SS came to pass, the Nazis were getting inspired by all the eugenics programs going on in America and they decided that it was time for them to implement their own version. Oh, man, why didn't they just like try to take our First Amendment, take our D.A. Constitution?

How about jazz? Jazz! Take jazz! In fact, the Nazis often cited a study based on the California sterilization program to justify their own policies. The Rockefellers even helped fund German eugenics programs, including one that employed none other than Joseph Mengele. We'll get into the Rockefellers one day.

We will do the Rockefellers. Again, I keep promoting this, I promote it on side stories about how last podcast is going to go out on Marcus's and I fucking 25-hour-long Illuminati breakdown. I will say, if you want to see Rockefellers' grave, it's in Sleepy Hollow, where of course the tale of the headless horseman is very famous, beautiful graveyard, old school tombstones. But outside of Rockefeller, he has this huge, it's not, it's like a, it's a tomb. You know, it's massive, and I'm screaming at it, and then this group of kids walk by with their parents, and their parents looked at me like I had two heads, and I'm like,

he's a criminal! What are you yelling at me for? And then broke us like, we got to go. It's you with a fucking Michael Meyer shirt on and basketball shorts with two tall boys and neither hands screaming, crimes against humanity. He's the only one who's crimes against humanity. Fuck about the federal banking system. I mean, come on.

Now, the Nazis didn't go from zero to holocaust, although- I mean, that is not a measure. Terrible part of the Fast and Furious franchise. Although the timeframe in which they went from admiring the American eugenics programs to gassing millions was still alarmingly fast. All the Nazis needed to do it the way they wanted to do it was to have the right people empower in all the right places. So when the Nazis took control of the government in 1933, they set their sights on the universities.

Their first order of business when it came to that was to ban all Jewish people from teaching or working at schools, universities, and state-run hospitals. To give you an idea of the impact of this, at Berlin University alone, that action opened up 42% of the staff positions. Wow. And suddenly, all these non-Jewish physicians and soldiers who were out of work, they suddenly had jobs, and it was all due to Nazi policies. Wow.

All these guys had to do was sell their soul to get those jobs. It's like fucked up that it's still about job creation, like it's still about job creation. And they used that in a way that it's like, I mean, the Nazis at this point, did they have like total control at this point in 1933? In 1933, Hitler was chancellor, they had complete and total control over everything. Besides small pockets of resistance here and there, people who were doing what they could do because it's not like the entire country of Germany suddenly became Nazis. I mean, that's the old ad, the first country that the Nazis occupied was Germany.

There were a lot of people in Germany that were not okay with what was going on. Absolutely. And for some reason, I just, as a cathartic activity, I need to play Wolfenstein again. Oh, this is what I've been thinking about this whole time. I bought a PS4 literally shipped to my house to get Wolfenstein because nothing makes me fucking thirstier than fucking shit and a bunch of Nazis. They're so funny. That's why I couldn't play Call of Duty Modern Warfare.

It's about the Iraq War, and I'm like, this is not justified. I'm screaming at the screen, and then I'm like, no, this is video game, it's not justified war, sir. No, dude. I'm gonna be fucking, yeah. All right, I'm gonna be playing some fucking Wolfenstein this weekend. That was one of the best games ever. It's gonna be so cool.

All three of them. Yeah, all three of them are fucking great. But on the other hand, there are quite a few of these doctors who already had a belief in anti-Semitic eugenics when they stepped into the jobs vacated by the Jewish men and women who were pushed out. One of those, of course, was Yosef Mengele. He was an ardent believer in the quote, lives unworthy of living belief that was gaining power.

Jesus. That term is big, hugely Nazi thought. The lives unworthy of living, and another term that haunts me, which is the term useless eaters. Useless eaters. I didn't hear that before. It is. Yeah, that is a very real Nazi term.

It's bone-chilling. Oh, God. This belief pushed by Dr. Ernst Rudin, whose lectures Mengele regularly attended, was that doctors should be in charge of destroying what they called life devoid of value, starting with sterilization. Among those who were offered up for this program were Schizophrenics, Epileptics, the hereditarily blind and deaf, the physically deformed, manic depressives, and alcoholics, meaning all three of us here, all of us getting sterilized.

Which one am I? Alcoholic. Alcoholic. I have a fun. I have a Wisconsinite. Well, you two guys get sterilized for alcoholism. I get sterilized for manic depressiveness. What?

If you had beer, you won't be manic depressive. According to science, I've counted my drinks and I looked at it. I am a moderate drinker. I'm a moderate drinker. I'm for my size and my region. You know what, also, because they're regularly going to lectures where people like Ernst Rudin are doing these speeches where they're showing footage of cancer cells being destroyed by antibodies.

Basically, they were like, with the antibodies, they would have little swastikas on them, and then the cancer cells would be labeled Jews. They had already, this thing was so deep inside, and so it starts with the slow rollout of being like, we're going to do these people that are very sick and hard, quote unquote, hard on society, the deformed, the people born handicapped. We're going to get rid of them first in order to cleanse the bloodline. And they actually had full schools dedicated to this stuff. They had these isolated schools that they would send all of the doctors and nurses and

everybody, they would send them out to these isolated places, and they would teach eugenics there. And the chilling thing about that is that they would release a journal every single year about what they talked about, what they were doing, until 1937. And then starting in 1937, they didn't tell anybody what they talked about. All they did was say, we had a conference here. They would not say anything because that was when they were really starting to do the horrible shit.

And of course, they also made a lot of money off of super beats infomercials. Evidently, I don't know if you know this, Henry, beats are the world's greatest food. Superfood. Superfood. Wait, as long as they don't start calling it the uber food, then we're fine. Now it was a very short jump from the sterilization of these types of people to their full on murder, what Robert J. Lifton calls the Nazification of Medicine. See the goalpost of the Hippocratic Oath, i.e. do no harm, all doctors take it, goalpost

got moved by the Nazis. It was no longer a concept of one-on-one healing between a doctor and patient. It was now an oath that applied to the bigger picture, the greater good, with one doctor describing it as cutting out the festering appendix of the world. So do therapists take that oath too? The Hippocratic Oath? I don't think so. I think psychologists do.

The ones that give you medicine, they take it. Oh, I'm going with psychologists. Oh yeah, he takes it. Yeah, he takes it. Well, he called me fat. He's technically trying to help me more. He called me fat. Did he call you fat?

He called me fat. Did he say, Ben Kissel, you are a fat, fat boy. He said, Ben, I don't know who else to say this. You're fat. No. He said I was overweight. He used the word overweight. Okay.

He tried to criticize puffin. No, he was doing the Dr. Phil. He was doing the Dr. Phil tough love. That's all that was. Technically, that is what he's trying to do. Yeah. Well, I think I'm going to tell him he just violated the Hippocratic Oath. Oh, man.

I am. Yes, it fucking does. I was going to be wrong. He's going to get an email from me. I promise you that. Well, in the middle of all this shit, Yosef Mengele was rising in the ranks. He had become a full Nazi in 1937, and that same year, he joined the Third Reich Institute for Hereditary, Biology, and Racial Purity at the University of Frankfurt.

Oh, my God. I think it speaks a lot that in this changing temperament, that's when he's crushing it. Yeah. Right. There's something about how there are time periods for specific people, and Mengele saw the gap for himself. He saw the spot being like, I fit in perfectly, right, Ziya? It's like, that's not a good space to be.

No, no. That's not a good space. Me, it's like, I see myself, 1920s jazz period in America having fun, having an absent cocktail fancy hat on. Also, I like the Dada period of France, where people are doing weird sketch comedy with like dick masks on and stuff. That's fun. I cannot imagine Third Reich, that's literally called Third Reich University.

Third Reich Institute for Hereditary, Biology, and Racial Purity. That was where Mengele would meet the man who would change the course of both his life and the lives of thousands of others. That was where Mengele met Professor Artmar Freiherr von Verschur. Professor Artmar Freiherr von Verschur was a huge supporter of Hitler, praising him as being quote, the first statesman to recognize hereditary, biological, and race hygiene. And his way of contributing to the cause was through the research of twins. The thought was that by studying the phenomenon of twins, one could unlock the secrets of

birth and hereditary function, and the creation of the master race would therefore be easier and more fruitful. Now, didn't he also, wasn't he also obsessed with twins because you had a built-in control group? It seems to, it's almost out of weird, like, weird scientific laziness where what's great about, especially identical twins, for them, is that they have the same sets of stuff and it's supposed to be vaguely identical so you can experiment on one and then have a control one to compare it to at all times.

That was part of it, yeah, but a lot of it was then trying to unlock the secret of twins, like they were trying, yeah. Yeah, and having many of them. Yeah, and having quite a few of them. Yeah. And it is impossible for one twin to be strong and muscular and the other twin to be Danny DeVito. It's an inaccurate film, that's for sure.

But if you want to see a great twins movie, Risky Business. That's a good one, yeah. That's a great one. It is. They're going to strip my Jupiter Howlick. I want to put all of the references of this show, of like all of the books and then just Risky Business. That's pretty much essential viewing for this house.

It is. Now, it cannot be understated how important the research of Professor Atmar Fryherr von Verschur was when it came to influencing Mengele. In fact, it could be said that Mengele, once he was in Auschwitz, was Professor Atmar Fryherr von Verschur's proxy. It isn't an overstatement to say that the place where these two met was the absolute epicenter of Nazi scientific thinking. This was the orchard where the bitter fruit of the human experiments done in concentration

camps was grown. This is where it all came from. For them, they're acting like they're fucking Steve Jobs and fucking Wozniak in a garage and it was this incredible place of inspiration that they get all of this freedom. They get to sit here and they get to talk about these ideas that before they had to hide from the world because people didn't understand them and now they finally can openly discuss what they've been talking about in private for many years. So was Mengele at this point, was he like a really good student?

Yeah. I mean, they said he was pretty good. He wasn't extraordinary, but he had good grades. He was about, I think at this time, like 26, 27, somewhere around there. He was just highly ambitious and he knew what he had to do. As soon as he saw it, he saw the track of where you put yourself to be on top of the Nazi party. He wanted to be famous.

This whole thing is about, he's fucking Cardi B. Right. So it wasn't just fame that he wanted. He wanted notoriety. He wanted, because Cardi B is not going to be in the encyclopedia, but Josef Mengele is. He wanted to be seen. We don't speak so soon.

We don't speak so soon. We could have a congresswoman Cardi B at some point. Who knows? I saw that video that she did. She is very passionate. She's definitely screaming at a camera. I love it. So it's literally like going back to Animal House.

It's like if the whole movie was from the side of Needlemeyer and then you're against the boys in the Animal House. Pretty much. Yeah. And Mengele, the whole time he was there, he was taken in every bit of it. One historian said that Mengele at this time became the incarnation of Nazism in its extreme. But that status was almost never reached, as Mengele's own personal tastes came into question in 1939.

That was the gear that he met and married his wife, Irene. And by this time, marriage had become quite the stringent process in Germany, particularly amongst members of the SS. In the two years since Mengele had joined the Nazi Party, he'd not only become a full SS member, but he had made it to the elite, the Waffen SS. The Waffen SS. Yeah, the Waffen SS, they were the armed leg of the SS. They were the ones that had the guns, and also they loved sweet breakfast.

Yeah, it sounds like it. I don't quite see the attraction here of Irene. I don't know why Irene would like Joseph. Of course, when Joseph joined the SS, that came with racial purity tests, which Mengele passed, but his wife was a different story. When they married, Mengele was required to submit Irene's family history to the Central Office for Race and Resettlement to ensure that there was no trace of Jewish blood in her family.

The titles of these bureaucratic institutions are bone-chilling. Yeah. They're so horrible. The Central Office of Race and Resettlement, but can you imagine getting a letter from the Central Office for Race and Resettlement? They used this. This is what they used in order to sound official. It's what Scientology does, is what any fucking cult does.

It's what any cult does, is they put a fucking fancy name on it in order for it to sound legit. The part of it, this all came from the Nuremberg laws. This should have been, had been certain, getting baked in, and it was fucking intense. You had to go through each one, and we're going to see this when we go through Auschwitz too. The way that they do the organizational part of Auschwitz and all the number crunching and all the fucking essentially Excel sheets that are hundreds of thousands and millions

of people dying, but the way they organize it, they put it in this way that be like, oh you see it's completely legit because it's a graph, because it's got a bunch of numbers and shit on it and it looks official. It's the medicalization of it all, it's the organization of it all. There's a reason why they went from just shooting people and throwing them in a ditch to the full medicalized, or quote unquote medicalized process, the way they justified it is medicalized in the concentration camps. And then you have to go, and you have to present your papers, and it's literally a person

going to be like, okay, let's look at your grandfather, okay his favorite condiment was mayonnaise, so this is Arian, and since your great grandfather and your mother's side, his favorite instrument was the clarinet, hmm, I don't think I could go any way, let's take a look at some of these pictures. Cargo shorts, he is of the Arian race, congratulations, welcome to the Cessus. All the mayonnaise you can eat. I mean, the hitch that Irene ran into was that there were no papers attached to her great grandfather, who was an American diplomat named Harry Lyons Dumler, and since there

was no proof that he was her great grandfather, she just said like, yeah, my great grandfather, he was an American diplomat, that's all we know about him. The Nazis assumed, he's probably Jewish, right? You're lying about this, right? So since we don't know, it was like, if you didn't know, they couldn't believe that someone wouldn't know who their great grandfather was. Her great grandfather? Yeah, so like we can't believe you wouldn't know that, so you're probably hiding something

from us, you're probably hiding the fact that he's Jewish. But after- Talk about bureaucratic on top of bureaucratic, it is that shit, it's the papers, papers, papers, so all your fucking bullshit. Crazy. Deadly bureaucracy, that's what this is, this is life or death bureaucracy, but after showing photographs of her and her ancestors, plus having friends testify to her, quote unquote, very Nordic ways, the Nazis finally approved.

Look, look, you see, I just know that I'm not Nordic, I came in skis, I do not even bare shoes, my favorite flower is the cabbage. But since they were not able to prove that she had pure Arian blood by their standards, the Mengele family was left out of the Sippin book. They weren't in the Sippin book, huh? Nope. Is that like a solid- Honestly, what is that?

The Sippin book was like, that was a get, man, that was a big get. For Nazis. Yeah. What the hell is the Sippin book? The Sippin book was essentially a catalog of all the quote-unquote racially clean SS families. So there's just pictures of them? It's just like, this person is in the Sippin, Heinrich Himmler's in the Sippin book.

You want to be in the Sippin book, I guess. Well, if you want to get in there. If you're not in the Sippin book, you don't get the Sippin book merch. This is all about fucking merch, these goddamn nerds, and their merch. There was so much, don't you even, don't you dare rail against merch? Because we have the detective popcorn question that's still available for sale in our live show, our live taping of our live show in Chicago, it was only $6.66. www.lastpodcastlife.com.

But that is incredible. Yeah, they had Sippin book merch. The Sippin book merch is that every time a pure child was born, Heinrich Himmler would send you some swords and some silver spoons. Yeah, dude, but you'd get them from Himmler. Himmler. You'd get them from the guy. Yeah, the guy, the architect of the Holocaust, that's who you got this from.

Yes. Yeah. So they're all part of the club. All a part of the club. Wow. But at the same time that Mengele was trying to prove his wife's racial purity, the mass murder had already begun, and the very first person who had been killed in Nazi Germany as a part of these programs was an infant born to an SS couple.

This child had been born at home without arms or legs, so when the child was born, the SS father immediately took the baby, dropped it off at the Leipzig Clinic, and told him that under no circumstances would the family take it back. They just forgot about it. Just like, just take it. I don't care. Yep. Because the wife screamed.

She screamed. When they pulled the baby out, she screamed, get this out of here, and then the husband took it to the hospital, and he said, we're not taking this. Yeah. You need to take this. Like he bought a fucking set of headphones that didn't work. Yeah. Well, Hitler did not give the original order to kill the child.

He told the doctor in charge of the program, whatever happens to the baby, it's not going to be brought in front of the courts, so do whatever you want. So he just gave permission. And that's how it began. It all began with that one baby. So over the next few years, a program began in which somewhere between 80,000 and 100,000 disabled persons and mental patients were murdered by the Nazis. It all began with oral poisons and lethal injections.

But as the victims became more numerous, the killing needed to be streamlined. And this was how the Nazi gas chambers came into being with the mental patients and the disabled people. If you want to really creep yourself out, watch some of the propaganda videos at the time selling this to the German people. And it shows pictures of being like, because the way they put it at this point was this kind of sympathetic angle of, look at these people, they will never live a whole lives and would show people of various level of handicap.

And it's like, we want the German people to be happy and healthy. And it shows just like smiling blonde girls, zig-hiling, throwing medicine balls back and forth. They're like, and like a nine-year-old boy drinking a beer, he's like, good, healthy, SS child. And they're all these doing like calisthenics in a field. They go, that's what you want, all these able-bodied dudes that all technically look like Captain America.

See, the gas chambers, they didn't originate in the concentration camps. That was just where they were perfected. Originally, the gas chambers were built in six isolated mental hospitals around Germany. And the patients would be killed en masse using carbon monoxide. Then a letter would be sent to the family with a false cause of death. They're like, yeah, just make up whatever you want. Just tell them they died from appendicitis. But the thing is, is that a lot of people were noticing like, he died of appendicitis.

He had an appendectomy when he was 10. There's no way he could have died of appendicitis. But a lot of people were like, oh, OK, so he's dead now? All right. Whatever. So the families didn't know that they were sending their children to die? They did not. No, they were just like, oh, they died.

I'm sorry. This is my question, and this is going to come up again in Auschwitz, too. And I feel like it's the contradictory nature of the fascist mind. I don't know how this is, obviously. I'm not a fucking anthropologist or historian, so I don't fucking know. But I think it's interesting, the fact that they went to all of these pains to validate their views, right? They went to all of these pains to say that science is the reason why.

And later on, we have all these breakdowns of why we're doing this. It's all completely backed up. But then they do shit like this, where they lie to the people about the cause of death. And the same thing when they covered up for after Auschwitz and when they do all this, we'll get into that in detail in the second episode. But it's like, why aren't you just proud of it? You are doing your duty to Germany. Why don't you just say the full facts of what went down instead of lying about it and hiding?

You're secretly ashamed of what you're doing, and you don't want them to know. And you're doing all of these distancing things. What it could be is, it kind of makes me think of something that you said during, I think, the Peter Curtin episode, talking about the mind of a psychopath. And this is like a psychopathic society. Talking about Peter Curtin and how he was dealing with his wife and talking about when he confessed to her, his thought was, you're not going to be a fucking bummer about this, right?

And that's what it is. It's not that they think they're wrong. It's like, these people are going to be mental patients, like, they're going to, oh, they're going to fuck, because they're fucking psychopaths, because they don't think about it. They're like, everyone's going to be upset about it, so we'd better keep it a secret from them. It also kind of cleanses the guilt of the parents. Because then they can say, oh no, it was natural causes or something.

They had a preternatural understanding of how to keep people psychologically in line. Now amidst all this horror, it must be said that there was a resistance. There was quite a few resistance groups all over Germany. And the resistance group that was in the medical community was the White Rose. Yeah, there were a bunch of students at the University of Munich, and they would distribute leaflets and do graffiti, denouncing these practices and calling for the overthrow of Hitler. Now, although shit, like distributing leaflets and doing graffiti, it doesn't sound like

a whole bunch, but these people were taking their lives into their own hands. Yeah. Like huge, huge, these were extremely brave people. And as a consequence of their actions, they were rooted out and condemned by a Nazi people's court to death and were beheaded by guillotine. Only one survived. There was a woman survived, managed to make it and keep herself alive in prison until the Allies came and rescued her.

Wow. But all these people went to their deaths with courage, with one shouting right before the blade came down, Esleiba de Freyheit, long live freedom. Hell yeah. Wow. Okay, brave hero. Yeah. These people were fucking awesome.

Like the White Rose, I want to get into it. And I would love to do a series on just like resistance groups in these oppressed communities because like resistance fighters are among the most badass fucking people in history. Yeah. These guys are fucking great. However, this was years after the programs were first put into place. This was 1942. These programs were first put into place in the late thirties.

The name given to the euthanasia program after the war was Axion T4, named after the street address of the agency that was in charge of making sure these guys got paid. They had pay stubs for doing this shit. And that's one of the most mind boggling things about all this. I mean, the guys who were doing all this shit, authorizing it, carrying it out, they were collecting paychecks. And for some reason, I don't know why, but that mundane detail, that's what makes all this shit real for me.

Yeah. They were collecting paychecks. Again, it was completely real. It was built into society and not to steal from Dan Carlin. The fucking carrots and sticks of this whole thing benefited towards the psychopath. Absolutely. It made you want to do it. I mean, you were ready to join the cause.

And Mengele was in the center of all this and he was fucking killing it. He was killing it. He was making the right friends. He was writing the right reports. There was a part of when you go through, it's like he would kind of, he developed this kind of concept. He wrote a paper on these, because this is also before DNA was discovered, right? Yeah.

So these guys are doing genetics research, but they're doing it like they're fucking butchering a cow. Right. But the way they're looking at shit and stuff like Mengele wrote a paper about how you can tell the difference between peoples by the folds of their ears in comparison to their chin folds. And I was like, well, so my folds and my chin don't look like my ears because they did. I would, I would look like a fucking wrestler, like a college wrestler.

But it's that kind of bullshit. But part of it is ancient, this ancient science that they're kind of attached to. And then Mengele would also go for and do these sort of criticize other articles for not saying, like in open papers, he would criticize other articles talking about features of the Aryan race for not at first denoting the fact that the Aryan race was superior to the other races. He kind of like built that into slowly but surely realizing, oh, the political fashionable thing is to make sure you always ping Aryans are the best though.

And here's everything else. That was always their baseline. And I think that's important to remember. The baseline of all of their research was always like, it's a given that the Aryans are superior. Why are they superior? Because we said so. Right.

Because look at us. We are obviously superior. So it's like, that's, that is the baseline of all Nazi research. Yeah. Just cut to Augustus glute knee deep in a chocolate pie. Oh, I am stokensie pipe. Well, in October of 1939, Hitler signed a note authorizing euthanasia officially. By that time, the German people's attention was focused elsewhere.

As a month before, Hitler had invaded Poland, officially kicking off World War Two. This was just five weeks after Yosef Mengele's wedding and Mengele wanted to jump right into the action, but it would be a further two years before he'd see combat. In 1941, he was sent to Ukraine where he was awarded the Iron Cross second class within days. Part of his job was he was on the front lines, right? He was also joined. He was on the Waffen SS, so they wouldn't run the Waffen, they wouldn't, he was in the Waffen.

And so when he went, they went right into the shit first, like they were in Russia. They were deep, deep in Ukraine and Russia fighting real hard and his job was to go and save people. Like that's kind of because he was a medic and so what he would do is, but a part of what they talked early on into his army career was that Mengele always had an eye for who should be left behind and who should live and you're just like, Jesus Christ, it started even then. Where you'd be like, this guy's too far, go by, you are the weakest link and then he'd

leave. Right. It's terrifying to have that man be the one who is responsible for saving people's lives is very ironic. Yeah. Well, after that, he was shipped to Berlin and worked actively in Heinrich Himmler's race and resettlement office. It was here in 1942 that Josef Mengele was most likely entrusted with the secret of the

final solution. See even though Hitler had given the order to enact the final solution in the summer of 1941, the concentration camps had been around and in use since the very beginning of Hitler's rise to power in 1933. Overseen by nerdy chicken farmer and SS leader Heinrich Himmler, the concentration camps originally held political prisoners and anyone determined to be a security threat to the Nazi regime. Himmler can go fuck himself too.

Well, these places, the concentration camps, they were extra legal, meaning people could be kidnapped and shipped away at any time completely independent of any judicial review. The men who guarded these camps were part of what was called the Death's Head Unit. Or what do they do? Or in the original German, Totenkopf Verbande. It is very scary. The fucking skull and crossbones on their fucking hats. Yeah.

Like, I mean, honestly, what do you think you're fucking signing up for? What do you think you're doing? It is incredible. The Germans, I mean, I don't know if this is appropriate, but they kind of cosplayed their way into this. We've talked about this. Because they went full on in like their uniforms, like they went full in. I really do think that the uniforms, it's a big joke, you know, that everyone makes

is that like, yeah, you know, the uniforms are so great. The uniforms are absolutely a part of it. The uniforms were a part of the Romanticism. Absolutely. It was all a part of this entire, like the Romanticism of being in the Aryans. You get this amazing uniform, you get all this shit. It is very, very Romantic. You got Hugo Boss designing all this stuff.

Yeah. It's all primo, grade. I mean, it's also the fucking telltale sign of a deeply insecure group of people. Yes. Where they had to prop themselves up as being a bully. Now, that's what it is, right? It's a bully's mentality. It's this concept of being like, they can't earn respect by doing things correctly and

doing things in a way that helps society. So they want to steal respect by creating fear. And so these puffed up fucking losers get to put on these fucking death cap, get to shroud yourselves in death, and then you get to feel super important because everybody's fucking scared of you, but you also have a backup of millions of other ones just like you. So you act like you're the fucking big bad boy, but it's only because you got a bunch of other shitheads trying to back you up.

And although all SS units wore a skull and crossbones on their caps, the SS deaths head units set themselves apart by being the only ones authorized to wear the deaths head symbol on their lapel. So you saw it right as you were looking at these, like everywhere at both places that you looked on these guys, if you were looking up or you were looking down, you saw death. And nobody wore that deaths head prouder than Dr. Joseph Mengele. But before he arrived in the concentration camps, Mengele actually saw a fair bit of action as he was sent to the Eastern Front as a part of the SS Viking division fighting

the Russians. And it was here that Mengele earned the Iron Cross first class after rescuing two soldiers from a burning tank under enemy fire, which was a distinction that set him apart from many of the other concentration camp doctors. Mengele was the only guy who had actually seemed combat. But of course, it was also something that Mengele would use to pull rank, only adding to his almost supernatural arrogance. Because that's another huge part of Mengele is arrogance.

Well, he's totally in control, you know, exactly what he would do and I, the image that comes up quite often when I think of Mengele as Tom Brady, not to attack me. He's never killed anyone. No, no, he doesn't need me. I view Tom Brady, I view Mengele as the Tom Brady and Nazis, because I mean, he was nothing but net for a while, man. Well, Tom Brady plays football. So if he's nothing but net, that's actually what he had.

It's the sports. It's sports, then he was doing good. But the idea of being like, he quote unquote, look good. He fucking did the shit. He had a little death head pin. He told everyone, you remind you, oh, look at the pin every single time anybody had anything to say to him. Because then, you know, he could get two extra brats on the lunch line.

Whenever somebody else could only get one, he got two. Ah, you're saying it's all about the brats. I'm just saying. Is that your professional analysis? It's like, I'm eating for two. It is for me and Hitler. Yeah, hell yeah. Wake up, say everybody.

I don't like Tom Brady or the Patriots, but comparing him to Mengele is a little too far, Mr. Stratz. It's a bit extreme. It's extreme, but it's a part of the idea, why do people just like Tom Brady? Because he's got the model girlfriend, he's always winning, he's got the head shape like one of the statues from Easter Island, which I guess is the thing that people enjoy. With Mengele, Mengele had it all. Yeah, right.

As far as a piece of shit, Nazi goes, yeah, Mengele did have it all. I mean, this guy was on top of the fucking world. I mean, he was a war hero. He was respected. He was a scientist. Like, he was one of the Nazi elites. He was the SS men. I think it was somebody wrote that he was the SS man that Hitler envisioned in Mein Kampf.

He was the guy. But he also was always very, well, of course, it seems to be the ones that are extra dirty. As I brought up, he looked like fucking Desi Arnais. He had brown hair. He had dark eyes and he'd always be like, you know, and then I say to my grandfather, you know, it's gonna be like, why do I look this way? And he was just like, I don't know, it kind of runs in the family. And I say, you've got a lot of explaining to do.

Right. I mean, honestly, he was extremely insecure about his looks because he looked very Slavic. It's interesting because it's a perfect time, perfect place. If you take Sebastian Bach from the 80s, people thought he was sexy. Yeah. And then you put him in any other time period, any other decade, and you're like, who the hell is that wiry, weird-looking- No, you could put, 1987, Sebastian Bach in 1967, he's still gonna do well.

He will pull a lot of Bush, dude. Well, I know. Sebastian Bach can be dropped off in the future. Sebastian Bach could be dropped off in the fucking 1800s. Sebastian Bach is gonna be poking hole for any decade. I don't know. I don't think Sebastian Bach's look has come and gone. Well, I don't know.

No, he's telling the dead body was in. No, he's telling the dead body was in. No, he's very time-specific. Post Malone. Post Malone is very specific to 2019. I don't like his music, he's funny on Instagram, though. Yeah. Takes pictures.

Well, it was in combat that Mangolo was rumored to have suffered a concussion, and some people think that this, combined with combat PTSD, because he was in the Eastern Front, the Eastern Front, just go listen to Dan Carlin's Battle of Stalingrad series, it's, woo, Eastern Front is some of the most horrific battlefield conditions of all time. Yeah, these motherfuckers saw some shit. Yeah. They saw that they all fucking died in an oil fire, but these Nazi guys did see some shit.

Yeah. Well, the Nazi guys and the Russians, you know, but I mean, but both of them were just fucking brutal to each other. Oh, yeah. But the head injury, combat PTSD, plus the extreme anti-Semitism and the indoctrination at the University of Frankfurt, all that stuff together was what allowed Mangolo to switch off his humanity when the time came, or at least that's what some people think. But Mangolo might not have ever even gone Auschwitz, if not for his old friend, Professor

Ottmar Freiherr von Varsür. See by 1943, the war was already four years old, and the concentration camps had expanded greatly since the initial invasion of Poland. Also, two years earlier in 1941, public protest in Germany had caused the Nazis to officially shut down the euthanasia programs that have been responsible for gassing tens of thousands of middle patients and disabled people. Unofficially, the Nazis just kept killing them. Only now, they were doing it with lethal injections, or just by starving them to death.

Over a period of weeks or months, they actually increased the cruelty when the public outcry came. They would starve them to death, and then as they were starving them to death, they would study them to see the effects of starving to death, and what they would do to them. So that is the kind of shit always where they managed to twist their cruelty. That's why the Nazis... Oh my gosh. I mean, in a true crime podcast, right, it's like, you keep coming out.

This is four years almost to the day that we did our Nazis in the occult series. And so I feel like, as a true crime paranormal, fucking all things macabre podcast, we're going to keep coming back to the Nazis every once in a while, every couple of years, because it's almost like you're forced to, because you come back to seeing these creatures, they're fucking creatures. They managed to, then they could twist any cruel thing into a deeper cruel thing by trying to validate it. You got to remember this stuff, so we don't repeat it.

There was another thing in a doc that I saw, they would just use the elements, so also they would just lock them outside in the freezing, in the freezing cold, and they would just see how long it takes for hypothermia to eventually kill them. And they said that they were going out, I forget what they told them they were going out to do. It was something that was supposed to be pleasurable, or mildly, like it was a lie, where they're like, we're going to give you a little thing to do. But obviously, it was just brutal.

Yeah. And the most shocking part about all this, about what they were doing, about the T4 programs, all this shit happened in hospitals, under the direction and full approval of doctors. So when the time for the final solution came, the infrastructure was already in place. It's almost like they were kind of secretly planning for it the entire time. Yeah. Not that secretly, though, either, right? I mean, everyone, if you were, if you were in a where, German, you, I mean...

I mean, the mental hospital stuff, that had gone under the radar pretty hard. Eventually people did find out, but that was in 1941, and by the time people started protesting the mental patients, the killing of the Jews had already begun. Right. It's funny. It was not funny. But Germany, my grandfather used to always say, it's the size of Wisconsin. And so it was strange for them to, I don't know, it just seemed strange that they wouldn't

kind of pick up on the drift, you know? I mean, it comes down to it's either I fuck with this entire system and destroy my entire life, destroy my entire livelihood. They get thrown into a concentration camp myself, or I leave. Some people left. A lot of people left. They would leave to try to get the fuck out. Right.

And then it became harder and harder as the time, as I got later and later. And then the rest of them just kind of did it. Yeah. They just kind of went along with it, or they lived a life completely separate from it. I mean, you could be a German farmer and still, and just kind of sidestep all of it, and just not have those, and even say, like, well, that's something that happens in the cities. Right. Dude, you got their beer growers right there.

You got a whole bunch of people, like, they've got their own, like, Humboldt area where you got guys out there just being like, I just make beer, man. Yeah. I sit here, I make beer all day, I don't see anything, I just drink beer because beer seems to help me vis-a-sleeping. Yeah. And then I go, and I make it all in one go. Because they could say, you know, I'm not really interested in politics.

Right. Because that's what Hitler was. That's what the Nazis were. To a lot of people in Germany, that was politics. Right. Yeah, you know, I don't really mess up, I don't follow politics. Right. I'm sorry.

And then all of a sudden, it's World War II. Yeah. I mean, how did your grandfather's beerstein hat business work at the time, beer? It was great. It was great. He found a way to get 64 ounces on either side, and it turns out, though, the human neck can't hold it up. Can't hold the hat itself.

Which is why, that's what I say nowadays, the human neck needs to grow to support the beerstein hat. Right. Yes, absolutely. That was the major flaw. Yeah. Well, all the guys who had been in charge of murdering the more vulnerable members of society, they were just transferred to the camps, and the infrastructure was just transferred

to the camps, and the way of keeping records was just transferred for the camps. And this was all decided by 15 bureaucrats discussing the final solution over lunch in the Berlin suburb of Wanzi. And so, the concentration camps were quickly filled with the Jews and Romani of Europe among many other smaller subgroups such as gays, lesbians, and resistance fighters from every country the Nazis occupied, including their own. This is why representation matters. Yeah.

They just needed to get a couple of people in there, because I guarantee you, if there's a Jewish person in there, they would be like, never mind, we'll talk about this at dinner. Well, that was the problem. That's why it had to become, it had to become all or nothing, because the German government forget who it was. I want to say it was, it was the Himmler or Hitler himself who said, like, everybody knows Von Decent Jew, and they always pulls a Von Decent Jew up, and they were like, yeah, it's because they are human beings.

It's almost like they're having human thoughts and like human feelings and not treating everybody like they are what they would be called. Right, exactly. And with this, when the concentration camps started filling up, suddenly the Nazis had an abundance of what they disgustingly called human material, and it was most likely Otmar Freihar von Verschur, who persuaded Josef Mengele to accept a position at Auschwitz, also they could be completely unfettered in their obsessive study of twins. This was where the human experimentation truly began, and that is where we'll pick back up

next time with an extensive tour of the methods and madness of Auschwitz and how Josef Mengele was at the center of it all. Oh, right. There it is. Josef Mengele. This is a heavy hitter trip. Oh, yeah. This is really a heavy hitter trip in many ways.

Absolutely. Because Mengele really ended up taking the helm at Auschwitz, even though he had bosses. People forget that he wasn't like in charge of Auschwitz, he was a part of the system, but his energy in taking over the experimentations at Auschwitz was fucking very scary, and in our series, so don't worry, we're going to be going through next week, it's going to be pretty intense. We're going to be going through Mengele's crimes, but guess what we're also getting after that?

Nazis on the run. Yeah. Nazis hunting. Nazi hunting is going to be a fun time because once it segues into Mengele's running from the Nazi hunters, it becomes a fucking action movie. There is a great documentary. I mean, it's brutal. It's called After Hitler.

Basically all of Europe had about eight years to do whatever they wanted to do, and they took some massive amounts of revenge. But this is always a good reminder. Be careful what you digest. Be careful how, don't let yourself get so enamored and wrapped up into one certain thing or ideology. Make sure to, like a good, diversify, you know, just make sure that you don't let yourself get caught up in this kind of stuff because it happens, it's human nature, and it can

happen at any time. We always have to be careful. Hurting other people's hurting yourself always. Be careful. The human mind, very manipulable, so you got to always watch it, and everyone can fall into it. It's not, I mean, you know, it's funny. We talk about Scientology, children of God, a lot of really smart people, doctors and

lawyers. You know, it happens, so be careful out there. Every cult is filled with people who said it would never happen to me. Yep. All right, everyone. Well, there it is. Joseph Mengele, part one. I hope you enjoyed it.

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I wish I was there. I know. I would be there. But it was so much fun to see everybody and pick up our issue of Fangoria if you get a shot. That's a cool article. It's very cool. Yeah.

It's Fangoria number two. We got a cool little story in there. So yeah. Pick it up and always support Fangoria. They're cool fucking people where everyone who's involved in the reboot is super fucking cool. So yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Fangoria is fucking great. The covers are quite as extreme as they used to be, but the content is still. Yeah. So that's all that matters. I mean, let's give them a shot. We'll see what happens with the next one. Yeah.

Because I don't think they'll ramp it up slowly. I mean, I love it. Because I miss that. Because I miss hiding my Fangoria. Yeah. Because my mom used to get so upset when I had it in the house. Oh yeah. Mine too.

Every mom got up so upset. You know, I'm going to say rightfully so. I don't want, it's weird to be like one of those moms who's like, let me read it after you do. Like, this is supposed to be for me. Yeah, I was telling the main editor, because he was also there yesterday at the Forbidden Planet signing. It used to be in all the, it used to be in all the adult, like, magazines.

It was in the porno section. Yeah. It was in the porno section, which is hilarious. That's so fun. Now shit changes, man. I mean, honestly, y'all, don't be Nazis today. If you have the opportunity to be a Nazi today, don't. Don't.

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