Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 352: Skinwalker Ranch Part I - The Utah Flap

Episode Date: February 16, 2019

Join us as we take the plunge into one of the more famous paranormal cases of modern times: Skinwalker Ranch! On this first episode, we cover the bloody history of the area, the legend of the Skinwalker itself, and the decades of paranormal activity that preceded the infamous Gorman case. 

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started What was that? Well, we are recording of the city of angels off the Pacific coast here in his studio, I'm George Norrie We have expert dr. Cheesecake Melendez. Tell me skin walkers spending so much time in the desert. Should they be using moisturizer? Welcome to the last podcast of the left everyone. I am Ben Kessel with Henry's abroad with Henry Zabrowski's in Los Angeles I was just with him in Los Angeles this week, but as always as usual I'm with Marcus Parks here in beautiful New York City. It's actually a nice day. It's a beautiful day. It's 55 degrees

I'm on top of the world. Absolutely. I tell you what speaking of skin walkers every single night My wife is gone at the casino I check her closet just to see just for the hope of seeing some form of pelt either coyote or fox So I am allowed by law to put a bullet in her mouth My goodness George Norrie taking a turn to the dark side. Tell me I can wear my wigs to the family reunion Well, it's a beautiful wig you have mr. Norrie. Thank you so much for joining us today Skin walker ranch. That's the subject So the subject of the next couple of episodes and this has been a long time coming

Folks have been asking for skin walker ranch and you know what we do here like the lord Actually, I'm gonna say like the opposite of the lord. We give you what you want We don't just take away your best freaking friends Jesus Christ now this is this topic is obviously one that we've been wanting to do for a long time But a lot of people have had a lot to say about the skin walker ranch over the years And so a lot of times when you see a lot of people talking about it It's been like well what last podcast what can we offer? What can we offer to the scene right and what will studies talk about skin walker ranch?

But you know what I've discovered really what it comes down to it is that this gave us an excuse to read about it Yeah, yeah, well because we have to work it into work So that we can then devote our entire week to it and man. Oh man I love being up to my perk fucking sweet dimpley nipples and skin walker ranch dimpley nipples How is that even possible? How can you have a jimble and a little in any nipple? Yeah, look at how many divots it's got It's like a little moon. That's like a putting green after a hail storm I can make it all stand up when I rub the top of it like I'm Angelina Jones You are just doing that to Henry and to Marcus and I

Awesome, and by the way, I do want to say I watched a lot of YouTube videos that I came in and I was like I've got some pretty good information and then Marcus said. Oh, yeah, all the YouTube videos are wrong. So Well skim walker ranch is a 480 acre area of land that has been home to some of the most fascinating paranormal activity of modern times Featuring phenomena that runs the gamut from UFO sightings to orbs to poltergeist activity to cryptids to cattle mutilation It's got all the shit and it's absolutely spooky because here at the show when we want to do paranormal topics So the big thing that we always hit the wall we kind of hit is is it been Flagrantly debunked is there a point where it's like it's completely totally fake right can walk a ranch and all of the stories

Involved with skin walk a ranch still have the ability to crawl under the skin sort of like my acting ability Absolutely now with the cattle's that are mutilated. Uh-huh. They still they still trying to sell those to like white castle You think they're like how the meat's still good It doesn't matter if it doesn't have any eyeballs and its tongues in its butt Well, most of the meat is gone and the butt is gone most of the time the butts gone, but we'll get into that later Okay, well the assholes gone. Yeah The rump is still there For me is the more important part. I mean like I'll get at the asshole eventually, but I always start with the room

Absolutely now although the activity in the area has been present for decades and still occurs to this day most of the more Disturbing activity occurred in the 90s and involved a family known by the pseudonym of the gormans Man three feet two for all of them This is a fucking it's a pseudonym guess all that's why they changed their name legally from the stump them Gormans, maybe they were just eating a lot of chili one day Just call ourselves the gormans Well, the gormans were down to earth Mormon cattle ranchers who moved to this isolated area of Utah for nothing more than solitude and Business instead they became a part of one of the more famous modern paranormal studies

Witnessing phenomena so credible and disturbing that the government has taken interest under the possibility That what's going on out there might be a national security threat They say quote-unquote it might be a quote-unquote National security threat, but I believe they look into the skinwalker ranch because they believe that they're leaving high-tech money on the table But we're gonna get to that next week. Mm-hmm cool But it is also a fact that the story of the gormans was a victim of embellishment in the 2005 book which brought the story to everyone's attention that book being the hunt for the skinwalker He's still fucking got it he's got a full head of hair

He's out there drinking bls really makes a couple of jokes and couple of speeches about how he is like Well, you know, I love the craft beer here wherever city. He's so he knows to hit it because he fucking he loves it He looks like it. He likes a cigarette and he likes a windbreaker. Oh, yes, Lakefront Brewery in Milwaukee That's crap Brewery you could ever go to but as the so-called Mr. Gorman told the author of the Utah UFO display even though there are some embellishments There are no outright fabrications and the fact remains that people other than the gormans have seen unexplainable things since Okay corroborating witnesses a lot of corroborating witnesses

But skinwalker ranch is only a part of this story the entirety of the you into basin Located in the wilds of eastern Utah and spanning about 75 miles from east to west has been a hotspot of paranormal activity For centuries, I mean I get it man. You're from out of this world. You want to go to a beautiful location You don't know anything about our religious practices Some religions being weirder than others Utah is the place to be yeah Geographically it is gorgeous Well, the funny thing is is that some people do think that the reason why there are so many UFO settings out there is because of The people's capacity to believe oh

And you know and we'll get into this deeper and deeper But this is kind of concept that we're that UFOs and paranormal activity or a it's a circuit We're completing the human brain completes a circuit that allows them to exist Which is interesting they go to a place that's so absolutely. It's almost the opposite There's nobody there because so many people were so freaked out every single time they tried to live in the you into basin Especially the earlier original indigenous peoples. They would go over there to live and be like oh no no The creepy factor is up to a nine there And where you mentioned the words deeper and deeper a little inside joke from side stories deeper

I have it. I don't even know the fucking I Things about the skim walker ranch episode it though We're not gonna try to give you a bait and switch here We just like everyone else have no answers when it comes to what is still going on today at skim walker ranch All we hope to do is give you a history of the various phenomena Surrounding it and occurring within as just the eyewitness evidence even if it is embellished makes this among the more fascinating cases around awesome this this episode right these this series it brings me back to what I I Missed about even just the older days of doing last podcast where it's like most of my research was about sitting back

Fucking putting some kush on my fucking lips and popping on the coast to coast and just letting Letting these stories work its way into your brain, man You got fucking get into a headspace to enjoy like just imagine going to skim walker ranch Yeah, I got some soft pants on I got a bummer man sativa for the daytime and you got some hybrid for the nighttime well now I don't know how is your research practices change? I'm fairly certain that there might still be some shatter in your brain. No, yeah, I come to the office though What goes on in this place is truly mysterious and at the moment totally unable to be understood

But it is undeniable that something is happening there And it's also undeniable that there's some sort of intelligence behind it See when you hear the words skim walker ranch It makes you think this might be just another cryptid tale just as I did before we got into all this and rest assured There will be plenty of cryptids represented. Thank God, but we're not saying that the intelligence is bigfoot No, he's the manpower No, are we saying that the intelligence is Native American werewolf witches? Oh, I love that Native American werewolf witches. Yeah, American werewolf

But those things are also involved, but they're just consequences of the phenomena overall This episode isn't about bigfoot's or UFOs or poltergeist or even skim walkers for that matter Hmm, this episode is about what it means when all of those things happen in the same place at the same time Something that's happening skin walker ranch is just the beating heart of what is happening in the uintah basin the amount of Activity that has happened since the since the white dudes showed up for the first time and heard their old stories and then shit Sort of happened to the old white dudes and all those kind of stuff It's played out till now all of this activity seems to be kind of centered around this one

480 acre space and they're saying and a lot of this stuff will talk about even more so in the second episode is that What if this is a thin place? Yeah, a lot of the people that grew up there They say that this path the reason why they've been called skin walker ranch is because it's on the path of the skin Walker and what does that even mean? Are they going from one realm to another? It's this weird interdimensional highway that now also not only just features like all of the phenomenon we're talking about but eventually people like Robert Bigelow Shown up with all the acronym spook dudes with CIA and DIA all these people showing up like in the middle of it I mean, oh, it's a thick-ass suit. You got to follow the Bigelow wherever he goes

It sounds like a sort of a paranormal activity field of dreams The classic Kevin Costner film and now, of course, I'm thinking about Bigfoot it up to bat Who knows what they do when the people aren't around We got to call the game. There's some other weird utopian around here. We got to go scare them Bigfoot's are making eggs and watching a baseball the Bigfoot baseball games themselves. It's having a nice time, but it's all underground Wow, I see Well, whatever is behind everything going on here is something far larger and far more mysterious Then, you know, just some goofy poltergeist activity or just some UFO sightings

And it's it's especially since the best that debunkers can do with this all this information is just give it a well-placed Yeah, a well-placed what? I am your father, and if you want a car for your 16th birthday, you're not gonna be stock talking to me like that. I work at the mill Whatever Wait until your mother gets so absurd she can witness me beating you And all ghosts and UFOs are hearsay and until then I'll be here with my makeshift blowjob machine But before we begin let's acknowledge our two aforementioned sources properly The first is the 2005 classic hunt for the skim walker by Colm Kelleher

PhD and George Knapp, which is the book that brought the skim walker story to the world The other is the Utah UFO display by Dr. Frank B. Salisbury Anybody named after a classic cafeteria lunch I trust with my UFO information. Oh, I loved we did Salisbury steaks on Thursday in St. Pete's Middle School in Stevens Point, Wisconsin And I loved them. Yeah, I love Salisbury steak No, the Salisbury steak at Rochester Independent School District was just shaped like a traffic light and it tasted like shit Well that book focuses mostly on the UFO activity in the Ewan to Basin that occurred decades before the nightmare that the Gormans endured in the 90s Originally written in 1973 Salisbury rewrote the book for a new edition in

2009 to update his findings and include his perspective on skim walker ranch Which he never even heard of back when he wrote the book the first time really I can't stop my praise of the Utah UFO display I love this book and a part of it has to do with the fucking indexes in the back. Yeah, where it's like he basically Go with the help of a of a science teacher in Utah in the 1960s put together all of these Heavily documented UFO sightings and it's a lot of people with it's multiple people viewing these things and it's really cool It's very compelling stuff nice now the Ewan to Basin's like many places in the American West has a story that is steeped in conflict blood and broken promises that involve both us whites and the native people of the land fighting amongst each other What do you mean us whites you took a DNA test and you're 98% European? Yeah, I know. Oh, no, no

I'm 100% European, but he's a part of the the pure blood Europeans that came to this country that kind of set up What we got going now? Yeah All the bad maybe some of the bad but some of the different the way that we came to this country just made it different No, I was trying to like debunk what Marcus was saying was calling us all white But then I didn't put the science in the front and then as soon as I got to the science part. I said that's right He's right He's 100% European of the two tribes that define the conflict in this region more than Navajo and the youths and a large part of Those conflicts were precipitated by the arrival of the Europeans

Which also coincides with the first UFO sighting in the area outside of tribal folklore During an expedition undertaken by two Franciscan priests named Athanasio Dominguez and Sylvesterie Velez de Escalante In 1776 they were there to find an overland route from Santa Fe to Monterey and while they were out there They saw something unexplainable What is the easy pass? Oh Very nice way to get through New Jersey

It's a fun easy pass Records from the trip show that while these two were camped in the basin father Escalante Described seeing a strange unexplained fireball fly over the sky of the camp something far larger than a mere shooting star But that was a tell me see the history Do remember when the brother Pedro he he bent over right before we had the big being a lunch Remember Yeah, yeah, I remember that yeah, but a bit. Oh, it's something maybe And then he take a fire go put it behind it's a cool on whoof whoof goes the dynamite

Wolf goes the dynamite. I see the sky. I do remember that when he lit his when he lit his farts on fire there. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's always great camping with you Yeah, yeah, you're saying the fireball you saw kind of look like that. Is that the I guess okay But that was just the paranormal aspect of the trip the real-life Consequences of the Spanish interacting with the Navajo and Goot tribes at this time also introduced the slave trade to the area Oh, it's gotten serious. It gets seriously actually just second Yeah, but it all has to do with the story now the Native American slave trade in the West is something that isn't talked about very often

We're not going to go into detail about the North Native American slave trade here So we can just kind of add it to the list of awful things that humans have done to each other on American soil great But from what I've learned this week There were quite a bit of raids done between Native American tribes for the purpose of capturing other Native Americans to be sold into slavery As far as the legend of the skim walker ranch goes this practice goes right to the heart of where a lot of the local folklore comes From namely the stories that involve the creatures known as skin walkers According to hunt for the skim walker the utes were particularly gung-ho about the slave trade when it came to capturing and selling the Navajos Although other sources I read said that the Navajo were pretty into it as well

And it was really the Paiute tribe who got screwed the hardest by everyone. It's always the ones that are super peaceful Yes, it seemed to get screwed by everybody else around them Yeah, yeah, and you can see that if you played Red Dead Redemption Marcus, I'm staring at you because you didn't finish it. I got bored. There are some great Native American conversations happening And one one younger boy is extremely upset rightfully so and the father says I just want peace, but you're right Sometimes you got a fight. Yeah, sometimes you but the Franciscan the Franciscan monks going through there It's very interesting because a part of it I believe that like what we talked about when we were talking about hellier on side stories or we've talked about other things

involved in the psychic world Even outside of this the concept of synchronicities and the idea of signs has been built into many You know the reason why they viewed that they could show up into the middle of this desert and essentially just take over this whole Community that was already there was that it's stuff like I believe when they showed up And they see they saw this fire in the sky. They were like God's telling us. We're right. Look at that That's God saying hello. We're in and all of a sudden it just turns into slavery for everyone But really it was just a UFO poking its way through the fucking sky hold well as far as what the Utes did They also cited with legendary

Frontiersman Kit Carson during the earlier Indian Wars that also happened to coincide with our civil war back when the Union was fighting both The South and various Native American tribes across the American West So according to hunt for the skim walker because the Utes were seen by the other tribes as Betrayers the Navajo were said to have put a curse on their tribe and the name of that curse was the skim walker cool and skim walker ranch just happens to be a Tiny little island in the middle of the Ute reservation In fact the ridge to the north that separates the ranch from the reservation is said to be quote in the path of the Skim walker and as such is off limits to believers

This is it's very interesting because the concept of skim walker is a There's not a lot of details Because it is essentially proprietary information of the Navajo and then within the world the Navajo It kind of that is kind of their big boogeyman. He does exist in other Indigenous peoples like fan other groups and other tribes But then he's a very scary figure to the Navajo I it's also but they don't tell a lot of shit about it. They don't talk about it I understand the hesitation to want to share their lore after what's happened to their entire civilization. Oh, yeah

But the Navajo culture is so fun. Yeah, it was like I just love hearing more and more about it And I love I love the Native American people and we have a lot of Native American listeners, of course So yes, we love you very much. So according to lore that spans across quite a few different Southwestern tribes A skim walker is a witch who was able to shape-shift into a humanoid version of any animal that they so choose And once transformed the witch then takes on the attributes of said animal. What if they're a platypus? But they're saying anything but then it also still apparently a part of what they'll do is that with their clans the skim walker clans We'll get together got some of this from a cryptid hunter who

it was a very often a guest on coast to coast a man by the name of JC Johnson who is a fucking character. I would I would I think the term is a piece of work He's got one of those things he's got beard he's got beard hair that goes up to the bottom of his Oh, yeah, smart guy that kind of thing But he basically said they practice that because he married into the Navajo like his wife is Navajo So he eventually it's like the son-in-law like I'm not gonna name names I have a member of my family that is related to that is that is married into my family Who constantly wants to sell everybody lighting fixtures?

JC Johnson married into the Navajo and the only thing he wants to talk about is the skim walker and they all were all made Very uncomfortable about it, right because it's very forbid knowledge Yeah, to know about and so he needles him, but he got one of these guys named chief Dan I basically tell him the skin walkers practice They have these like meetings where they get together on these giant yurts And they get little different skins out and they put them on and they literally all coach each other to be like no No, no a fox does more like Spark is more like a bear grunt is more like

Oh, that sounds like a dog kind of now what kind of lighting fixtures In terms of I believe the term is lumens they really get out there Interesting, I would be that's what it's nice to have a bigger family. Yeah one guy selling your lighting fixtures Maybe someone knows how to fix a couch So even though skim walkers can turn into any animal the most common form for a skim walker to take is a wolf or a dog And now is it only animals that they have seen in there so it couldn't be a platypus I don't know if you and what if you do a whale and then you're on land and then you're dying I don't ask in the bed in questions. These are the only animals if you can be any animal

I just want doesn't have to be a could you be a whale on land? No, no, no listen. Hey, Jesus Christ Yeah, sure, I guess but let's just go through the process of how a skin walker may do their practice Okay, well stories have been told even as late as the 70s of totally sober people reporting men with the heads of dogs Congregating and smoking cigarettes together, and that's where those paintings come from of them old gamblers play a poker Yeah, well said to be the most evil creatures alive skim walkers are also able to control minds in order to force people to do things They wouldn't normally do such as commit murders on the skim walkers behalf or even commit suicide. Oh, but since these powers are Extraordinary they require an extraordinary act to receive them as it said that the only way to become a skinwalker is to murder a sibling or a Relative and this is in addition to skim walkers being necrophiliacs

Well, I missed this part of the Garden of Eden story Yeah, it's a cane killed a bowl or something like that one of those guys killed each other So the way it seems to go is that there's a couple I'm trying to piece this together because I went on it I went on a skinwalker path to try to figure out like more and more details And it seems a Navajo hold magic to be very very sacred and they and their shaman is such an important part of their community Right and a part of it is that he heals everybody and a part It seems to be is that they do certain amount of rituals in order to gain the these these kind of these abilities

You know how to connect themselves to their mind in the universe They're there and give those powers to their people in order to take care of the community But it seems to be the skinwalker or people that do these same kind of rituals But they do it for either nefarious purposes or they do it for own purpose purposeful self-gain And it requires more and more as the years went by for them to gain this very powerful Ability and then basically what you have to do is you have to either kill your brother or sister This is what they said It's like someone very very close with family or be in the room with someone who's hired to slit their throats in front of them

It has to be a surprise and then you take the dead body. You fuck the dead body Oh my everybody's fucking a body and do this in a big roundabout with Aunt Gertha This is true like what and then would they have to then eat the body They chump up chunks of it and they all eat of the soft tissue, but then they're supposed to use every bit of it They're supposed to go and you take the bones you can make a poison out of the bones And then you take the head and you make a soccer ball out of the head. I'm not sure of that string Yeah, I don't know that would be a hard soccer ball and then you do all that so you can have the the face of a dog That doesn't seem like a good payoff

Think about how nice a life puffin lives. Yeah, puffin's doing great. Although I what I I had my New York City parents watch him over the weekend and Evidently, he's having trouble jumping on to the couch which is apparently a sign of being overweight Why does he have to even be on the couch? You know Georgie can hop up in my lap while I work anytime anytime she wants well comes up She will come up on my lap and she comes up on the lap and then all of a sudden It's like there. Yes betrayed by the skin walker It's like a weird old Native American woman. Yes

Well, the knowledge we have on skim walkers like Henry said is pretty damn limited because the Navajo aren't too keen on discussing it Even amongst themselves much less letting the rest of us in on the secret and there is historical proof That at least at one point witches were a very real fear for the tribe in 1878 a forced march done at the behest of the US Army killed hundreds of Navajo who were taken from their lands and confined to a Bleak reservation devoid of life or any real sustenance and as a way to try to explain their sudden bad fortune the tribe decided that their gods had abandoned them and Like so many other cultures throughout history

They decided the reason why the gods had abandoned them was because the tribe was chock-fella witches Here comes the equalizing part anti-witch party that seems to happen every 50 years or so my goodness witches got the brunt of a lot of Accusations over the years always. Well, I mean, it's it's an easy way to try to fix a problem It it distracts people it gives you something to do and it gives you a way to take your anger out on Somebody and to do something very tangible and very permanent. They're just they're just Hurting all of the coolest chicks in town. Well with with the Navajo Believe it was men and women it wasn't like a specifically like a like a gender specific thing like it is a lot of times like

I'm pretty sure in this case. It was everyone. Okay. Yeah, so to restore balance more than 40 Navajo believed to be witches by others in their tribe were murdered One of these supposed witches even had their stomach opened and stuffed with witch accoutre maw Wrapped in a burp wrapped in the broken treaty the Navajo had signed with the government. Oh God The government was the problem Witches focus your anger elsewhere. Yeah, now physically the way the Navajo described the skim walkers is Terrifying one writer who spoke to the authors of haunt said that the first thing you'll notice about a skim walker is that even in human form Their eyes glow red

Like hot coals. That's just me when I get back from the dispensary. Oh, yeah But I do understand with this stuff this shit gets freaky because out there too because remember this is in the wilds of Utah Out in the middle of the desert and they were talking about going through it's like these you weren't supposed to go out at night They said the night it was for them the night was for other life It was not for them and they said you go out there in the night and you'd literally scan They'd have these big Spotlights like essentially a lot of certain house would have these big spotlights and how time you put out there And you just see red eyes out in the fucking forest

Yeah, that would be such a fun thing to do at night though Yeah, we got to go camping out there we do and if you do see the true face of a skim walker It's said that they're bound to kill you to keep you from finding out their identity because if you know who they are and you're able To identify the skim walker and the skim walker dies. It's kind of like rumble still skin, but with faces I see interesting and the way they seem to describe it also reminds me of 25% of the people we met in Vancouver Where it's a lot of the times the skim walker is seen shuffling Shuffling on the street with like, you know with glowing red eyes with like a blanket over I'm going by she by she by she by she like very very intense very strange weird little people

Because then the goal is they do their ritual they sing a specific song They put a cat of the hide on top of them and then they transform. Yes Vancouver does have a heroin problem Which is quite serious good. It's very serious right serious a common weapon of the skim walkers What some call corpse powder to keep their identity a secret the skim walker will blow this powder Made from a dead body into the victim's face Yeah, the powder causes this tongue to go black and that is followed by convulsions and death And I was listening to one cryptid hunter who's talking about how like he he was They were doing some research project out in Utah and this fucking snort huge dog

Big snarling dog comes and attacks him and his family and he's like the only thing I have the only thing I could do to defend myself was to grab a two by four grab the two by four He beats his dog the death with a two by four, right? That's an intense night But he said he got sick and his tongue started to change and he started fucking Convulsing and shit and do it all things like he was fucked up He had no idea what he was going to he thought he was just sick and basically his Navajo buddy was like you need to come See the shaman and he says like nobody I don't trust your shaman shit

I don't trust this shit and the shaman then I don't know where contacts the guy's friend He's like your friend is sick right now. He needs to come see me right the fuck now He's going to die tomorrow, and he's like I don't know how you know my buddy But okay, they go and they scoop up the cryptid hunter take him back to the the the shaman Shaman makes him eat a bunch of shit that makes him sort foaming at the mouth Oh, I'm foaming and I'm shaking and he's like I took a huge shit But straight up had massive massive diarrhea and all this black shit came out of him Huh, and he said the next day he was fine

He was you was still jacked up, but the shaman was like a couple hours from now You would have been a victim of the skin walker because maybe the powder came off its fur as you were beating a dog today Yes, maybe I didn't realize that Molly was often used by Native American shamans, but that is fascinating We got a so we got a two by four little hacks on Jim Duggan reference there Oh, yeah, and then we also have with the blowing of the dust that kills you Papa shango. That's right. That's the thing Papa shango he went on to later become a pimp, which is quite a different I don't know how he went from Papa shango to a pimp the Godfather the Godfather Yeah, of course, but that was an awesome character is a great finisher as I was screaming all this at Natalie

She said it's also very it's very similar to voodoo on right this concept of the people using what now We know is the zombie powder that they have which is made out of this base component called scopolamine Which is essentially it makes you as a Highly suggestible and they go and they essentially kidnap people by blowing this powder in their face and make them take all their money Other ATM sir your wife your wife didn't get a professional wrestling reference No, your wife just didn't sit there in the country like that's like I decided to not marry a Three hundred and fifteen pound man from Wisconsin

I see different people different takes Well Navajo say that they have ways to protect themselves against the evils of the skim walkers But they're not sharing them with the rest of us Henry story aside, but really that's not out of spite It's mostly because they say that skim walkers normally won't bother those of us who aren't of the Southwestern tribes There are stories though that suggests that this isn't always the case in In 1983 a non-native family was driving through a Navajo reservation along route 163 in Arizona on their way home to flagstaff when they felt something was following their car It's a police officer and their lights are on and they say pull over pull over and we just kept on

What is that Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he's the real cryptid of Arizona Well as the family rounded a bend they said the atmosphere changed and time slowed down Suddenly they said a gigantic black hairy creature with yellow eyes Wearing a man's clothes jumped up from the roadside ditch and scared the hell out of them But didn't attack didn't attack them. No just did just kind of went That is a great practical joke that I'd love cryptid practical jokes No, they tried to forget about it, but a few days later. Hold on. You tried to forget about that I tried to forget about that. You forgot about it. Maybe it was just a Polish construction worker

We don't know but I would try to remember that No, the promise is that when something truly weird happens and this thing's got to come up again and again It's you talk about skim walker ranch When something that's so outside of your fucking normal everyday experience just jumps in your lap It's very shocking. It's very like click truly imagine you're driving the street like all the goofy shit aside You drive it and you see this fucking creature go up and go like And it goes back down it's like there's something even weirder than it attacking the car because it's just showing you hi. I'm here He's got his parents over at some cryptid beautiful mansion

Like where's Bobby? Yeah, they're like he said he wanted to go scare cars and traffic As long as he's not playing video games Get out of the house. That's true Well, the family did try to forget about it But a few days later when they were back home They woke up to the sounds of loud drumming coming from outside and when they looked outside They saw three strange man-like creatures Standing outside their fence so cool once the creatures were seen the creatures

Tried to climb over the fence to enter the property But for some reason they couldn't get through and instead they sat outside the fence in the darkness Chanting until finally they gave up and left honey. Honey. Come here. Come here. Look. It's Matthew McConaughey All right, all right, all right, bark bark bark. I'm a dog now. That's what I do. But there are others who say that There's no way in hell that the Navajo would unleash a skim walker upon anyone Whether it be a white family taking a shortcut or another tribe that wronged them in the past See a skim walker is not a weapon to be wielded According to the lore they are evil selfish creatures who exist only to spread misery and pain and a Navajo

According to anthropologist Dan Bineshek would more likely kill a skim walker before asking it for help Well, it seems to also have been a slippery slope of intention By the skim walker were at first they were like this ability was used first thing first to go and spy on Conquistadors that were coming to basically the the Spanish coming through their land right it would go and they would they would Basically have someone hide in the guise of an animal They would go and listen to what they were saying in secret and trying to find out the plans of the conquistadors that eventually went towards the U.s. Calvary, but they said but one chief Dan and JC Johnson, which I thought was very interesting What he said was that essentially after what they called a long walk, which is the what they said when they basically

Rounded up all these Native Americans and put them on a reservation thousands of them died they up what part of that was that the our our version of property and and all of the these these kind of Western ideas Infiltrated their society and a lot of it some people used it for good But the people that and using it for kind of selfish purposes Eventually the skin walker started to get used to be like my that guy over there has a new truck I want to go and I want that truck for myself and they would basically hire a shaman to act as a skim walker To go and ruin somebody else's life and eventually more and more like that magic and that power became deeply corrupted

Hey, Henry that thing got a hemmy You know just trying to just trying to just entertain edgy edgy tan Edgy tamed a populace that thing got a hemmy I don't even know what it is It doesn't even work because I don't even know what a hemmy is. I hope that thing got one So they would dress up like animals. Yeah and rocks and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. That's kind of rock You can't show it up as he gets show up as like a floating ice cream cone They said one that was very interesting one guy showed up as a nine-foot rabbit

And for me that's actually scary because George Norrie was making fun me like you made a tell me we're being scared of the Easter Bunny As his wig slides off the top of his skull be like no actually think a nine-foot rabbit scarier than a fucking wolf Yeah, if any of our Imaginary friends during the holiday season were real the tooth fairy, which is just that's universal. That's your round Oh, yeah, or the Easter Bunny. They would have to be killed immediately Yeah, man, you should have my house. That's my child's property. You're coming in here Put it under the pillow and then you got money for suffering when this economy takes a downturn We'll see what happens with these tooth fairies and how they go about getting their precious teeth. That's true

They're little golems of teeth Well, I heard another possible explanation for skim walkers and this comes from the Skeptoid podcast even though they discount the entire story You skim walk story of skim walk around from top to bottom and I didn't listen to the podcast I just wrote about I just read the article that they wrote about skim walker lore on their website. Okay. Hell, yeah Well, they point towards clinical lycanthropy when it comes to explaining where the legend of the skim walker comes from now As a refresher clinical lycanthropy is when a person has the delusion that they can transform into a wild animal and as such They behave like a wild animal

Catman remember Catman. I remember Catman the dude who he got all the plastic surgery in the world And apparently he was kicked out of his house because he was like I'm a cat and then he would just take dumps in the living room You have to get a pretty big litter box That's a lot of shit to have to scoop up. It is just a playground Yeah, it is a it is a sandbox that children are supposed to play and it's like I'm in my I'm in my kitty box. No, there's a dump truck They're a little toy dump truck. That's where children play. Oh, yeah, they'll find it later Well, the very real psychosis that is clinical lycanthropy has been traced to hundreds of vicious murders over the years Including Spain's first documented serial killer Manuel Blanco Roma Santa who killed 13 people in the 19th century

And made soap from the fat of his victims. Yeah, but dogs don't make soap. No, that dogs don't make soap No, well, he wasn't a werewolf But what the Skeptoid podcast wrote is that in many cases of clinical lycanthropy The sufferers believe that their condition is a punishment for some horrible past Transgression and this falls in line with the belief that skim walkers were required to kill a sibling or relative So it's sort of a chicken-and-the-egg type of thing. It's a crime that repeats upon itself as a kind of coping mechanism You kill someone you feel grief But since you're already a bad person you say fuck it

I'm gonna go all the way and you kill more and more getting more and more vicious all to keep the cycle going under the belief That you're now a werewolf or something so there's something to this and there I believe that there's something to the psychic edge of this I think that it's because they're ways some people have said the witnesses of certain skin walkers They've said that they both seen skin walkers in the form of a Creature either an oversized creature or a half humanoid creature Mm-hmm or from another angle have seen the same said person who is running with a fucking skin tied around their Shoulders like a cape and I think that there's something about this this belief cycle too, right where you believe in this so hard

That you've been caught and because of your grief almost you're projecting an image of the fucking bear You're doing right right already susceptible to psychic behavior see this type of thing and it and it's weird It's like a fuzzy Bluetooth connection. Yeah, absolutely Marcus you mentioned vicious cycles So they so they feel almost like hung over a little bit after one kill and then they wake up on Saturday They're like the only thing that can cure this hangover is just one more but like and then that turns into 20 and then Sunday They're like the only One more but like is that really but like on a serial killer level

This is the sentence that we can now crop out of the show and we can bring to your doctor He needs but lights to learn. This is what allows him to learn. I see okay interesting But it's to prolong the suffering of realizing or dealing with what you've done. Yeah, well, it's like I've done this So I have to be right. Hmm. It's actually a it plays right into what we were talking about in the Mengele episodes where you know Some of the Nazis got more and more evil as time went on Because the more evil they were at the more right they were sure well, they had to you got a fucking buy-in now Yeah, already this far you already killed your brother you fucked his corpse He ate his meat at this point. It's like well, you know might as well run around with this deer skin on and right people out

Yeah, how do you like I just feel bad for the guest at the dinner table when all those people get together for the first time? after like five years just been like so So you guys just don't talk to each other anymore How do you talk to anyone after you've had sex with a corpse and eaten it together? Oh, I mean, I feel like you just compartmentalize it We've met a couple people on our travels the last podcast and lefty did the same thing you had fucking Jeffrey Dahmer who's doing the same shit He managed to put his shirt on and his and his he put his pants on the right way around and got his way down to the chocolate factory I guess I

Will say though there are some in the you into basin Who interchanged the word skim walker with another cryptid that I would buy no means ever placed in the world of evil? Sasquatch oh Sasquatch, it's a part. It's a peaceful creature. Yeah, no, but they're all a part of the same crew right when it comes down to it Sasquatch does like hanging out with the skin walkers either way because they're fucking posers Because they're not the real shit Sasquatch has got these living that Sasquatch lifestyle 24-7 Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't get to turn back into a hot babe and go to the 7-11 and get a hot dog He doesn't get to do that shit anymore. He's now fucking live up a lifestyle that requires him to eat and shit pinecone. Oh, I love Sasquatch so much

Well, Northeastern Utah is not quite the Sasquatch mecca that say Oregon is the area has had quite a few sightings over the years With a lot of the more recent ones happening just north of skim walker ranch And the youths certainly have their own views on the creature This is what Sasquatch is all about according to them according to one youth Who sounds kind of like Charles Manson when he was describing the creature in the book really Sasquatch? He's an old man an old man that lives on a mountain. He just comes in you look at people that he goes back out again He just lives there all his life man He never takes care of himself and just smells real bad almost like

Almost like that guy like he's dirty dirty human being smells what it smells like a real deep bad bad odor It smelled like dirty bad underarms the closer. I got the worst the smell got and I should know because I invented smell Credible witness who saw a Sasquatch and there are other strange creatures out there as well It said that a serpent haunts a reservoir known as a bottle hollow So called because it used to be just a big hole people would throw their empty liquor bottles Simple names, but this reservoir just happens to almost directly a butt skim walker ranch. Oh what? doesn't what It's a very it's a legitimate term. What does it do it? It's a but

Hours of research Marcus how hard did you work on this dog meat? How hard did you fuck it? How long how many hours 40 hours at least this week? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what does it do? Well, not too long after the hole was filled with water back in the 70s long before the stories of the ranch became public There was a tragedy See almost immediately after the hollow was filled stories among the youths began Circulating that a large aquatic snake was sometimes seen in the water and an incident occurred that might support that One night a man and a woman were swimming in bottle hollow while a few others were hanging out on the shore

Suddenly the woman screamed saying that something was pulling her underwater Then she was gone. It's a fucking horror movie Her companion said that he dove underwater and grappled with whatever the creature was But by the time he'd got the woman free and back to shore she drowned Now as dr. Salisbury points out there certainly are more logical explanations for this incident than a paranormal serpent Yeah, I mean definitely could have just killed that woman. Yeah, it's possible But the witnesses on the beach supported the aquatic monster story and investigators on the scene took the report seriously But cryptids are only one part of the overall story here

Yeah, dude the sightings of bigfoots and lake serpents are nothing compared to the wealth of UFO Encounters that have haunted the you into basin for decades Oh, and in this area of the world the local expert is without a doubt a retired science teacher from Roosevelt, Utah Named junior Hicks. Love it. This guy is got the coolest job in the world It is just he was a high school science teacher fun who just everybody would come to him with their UFO stories to the point Where he was like fuck it I'm gonna research this full-time and then that's who you'd go and he'd spend his weekends out there Counting down all of these different UFO stories that people said and at this time period and then in the 60s to 70s

Anybody that lived in that area of town he was saying he I think he had the presented he said it was like one in three Had a UFO story. It's like it was just It became so prevalent seeing UFOs in the sky like full on not just like lights and orbs But also fucking crafts like a full-on nuts and bolts bullshit. They were seeing this and it was it was it was thick With two C's with it very fun. So he's living the best life. He is by 1973 junior had amassed a collection of 400 sightings and that was starting at about like 1966 because around like 1966

1967 UFO sightings in this area just exploded I mean there'd been a few seen since father escalante back in 1776 But in the six the late 60s was when it really exploded and junior said that by his reckoning Most of those were just either satellites or stars But about 80 of them were credible as in people saw something that was unidentified They saw an unidentified flying object, which does not necessarily mean that it's aliens or whatever It just means that they saw something that is unidentified. I mean, you could really go. What is that? Me is a big deal. Maybe they

Aliens once we got our nuclear technology really primed up pretty solid Maybe they came down here wanted to milk us for that But they also talk about which will we will do again How many times I can say this but these these things also happen in waves or flaps, right? so a part of this is that a wave of Activity can happen over a period of years and then it goes away and then it comes back and then it goes away Which is kind of what we're seeing here is that from 1966 to the mid 1970s We were we had a huge-ass UFO flap

But then popped up again in the 90s with the stories of the Gormans Maybe they were just maybe the aliens are traveling through to a different destination It takes them a long time to get out of our little solar system So maybe takes 10 or 15 years and then now they're off someplace else. Yeah, I mean the concept of alien Or I guess UFOs visitors and time That's definitely a big part of it is that maybe time works differently for them than it does for us We have no idea so 1966 Junior attended a talk about the possibility of life on Mars at the Association of Utah science teachers

And who happened to be given the talk but dr. Frank Salisbury Junior approached dr. Salisbury after the talk and told him all about the activity in the Basin and two years later The two started working together on officially documenting all this activity which eventually became the book the Utah UFO display One of my favorite stories from the book is dr. Frank when dr. Salisbury showed up when he went to go to visit junior hex he gets pulled over for speed The cop comes over to take his information and dr. Salisbury's been like I'm a doctor of fun things My question to you is can you point me towards where the UFOs are and people who've seen UFOs? He's like well you can actually ask the justice of this piece when you go to pay your ticket

So then he goes to meet the justice of the piece who was the town barber With all of these members of the city council and he's like so have you guys seen UFOs and they're all like we've all seen UFOs and he sat there and the he got he collected the stories right there, man I was like that's my that's my dream That's RV and Natalie and Wendy two and three because we'll have her cloned He's going around searching for fucking you if I was man It's unfortunate what happened with the 1033 program when the military signed up with Individual police departments to militarize our local law enforcement. You're gonna shoot you

You can't just be like I'm here looking for UFOs because we'll make you see stars with this When I wail on you Yeah, it's a better time days past yeah days past unfortunate now the first big UFO sighting in the area occurred in 1951 when 30 students and a teacher saw a cigar-shaped object sitting on the ground during daylight From about 50 feet away But the most active period of UFO sightings in the basin were in the years 1966 and

1967 and many of the testimonies given to junior occurred during that period one of the first witnesses in that time period was Dean Powell who is delivering the mail in Hannah, Utah at about 1015 a.m. In June of 1966 when he saw a perfectly silent Silver craft hovering in front of a hill and these are not looky-loos These are people like Dean Powell because they remember specifically in the book is like he asked for Dr. Frank Salisbury's identification like he's like you tell me who you are First It's going like but if this shit's freaky yeah

Well Donna Massey was another witness who saw something strange although she saw a different kind of craft all together She had just finished a long night a cannon tomato juice when she decided to turn in and around 11 30 p.m. Oh Is that fun? Yeah, okay. Yeah, of course now as she was gonna say good night to her husband Valda She noticed yeah, there's a lot of strange names coming up here. Yeah, it's all good Yeah, Valda's a funny name for a man. Yeah, it is. Yeah, Valda Massey is a funny name for a man I love it. Yeah, well as she was going to say good night to her husband Valda She noticed a strange red light out to the west it started moving towards her

But the closer it got the more she realized that the light was actually a craft and much larger than she originally thought She said that it was round and as big as a house and was emitting a horizontal Red beam which changed colors to yellow and green before softly coming to rest on top of a knoll near her home Just about the time that it landed though the local Mormon Bishop a one Garth baddie Showed up and sat there watching it with Donna Finally, they decided to get closer, but as they approached it in Garth's car the craft flew vertically so fast That it seemed to just vanish And a lot of what people talk about with these lights is that it's a very different property of light than what you'd normally be used to

They way that a lot of these specifically in the Utah UFO display and in the way they talk about it these specific groups of sightings is that they describe it like it's boiling light Hmm that light is coming out of it in these kind of amorphous waves that are not generally lighting things that literally things are not illuminated and told The cloud of light touches stuff and they said that a lot of times it looked like what they could take the if they could be close enough to the object It's like they could hold the light in their hands like it was a blanket Hmm interesting now the behavior of this craft is among the first examples of the you into Phenomena being what you might call a little skittish. Yes, whatever it is that's out there Does not like being approached nor does it like being photographed or recorded and it will do

Whatever it can to prevent these things from happening and of course the debunkers can say how convenient of course I mean so basically We are dealing with an extraterrestrial UFO that has the same personality traits as Alec Baldwin We're talking about here no punch a photographer you will punch when he's already done and he'll do it again Oh, yeah, but it's one thing if you've got one dude saying he keeps seeing something that disappears right as he's pulling out his camera You know if you got a buddy, it's like yeah, I see this thing every night, but it just disappeared I mean, that's one thing right but in the case of the you into basin you got Hundreds of witnesses like Donna Massey spanning decades because like I said there were ready sightings

Some of those sightings had like 10 15 people all at once. I would love to talk to an alien and Just be like what's up, bro? What do you think is the biggest problem with our country is right now to be like honestly? We used to visit you guys a lot more But all these CCTV cameras are really you know They're a big threat to us and then we could just bond over the police state Yeah, but a part of this gets into the I mean you're gonna probably take a bongrip to sort of even Want to understand this but was Jacques Valet talks about again and bring him up time to time again

But he says again when we were talking before this phenomena is in a circuit with our brains It only exists because of our attention to it in its way, right? That maybe it is either being pulled through interdimensionally or there's something it is here for us and by us for some reason It is fooboo, but when you when you look at this this phenomena a part of it is it's almost Purposefully saying oh, you want your precious proof you want your video You want your video evidence you want photo evidence you want to be able to scoop the soil and measure it You want all this totally understand why you want that but guess what you literally can only share this information by sharing it Personally story by story from person to person trying to also

Show you in some weird way or maybe it's a way that we don't understand yet And I don't fucking understand but it's this trying to understand that the universe is far more deep and complex And it's supposed to be and it's like our own brains are trying to tell us that by helping manifest This information and that it's supposed to be a personal story They keep talking about these UFOs as we go through each one like it's a performance They call it a performance. They see these things are manipulating reality around them in order to Basically show like we can do whatever we want and so can you oh, you could figure out how to break through the fucking horseshit Yeah inspirational message coming from the extraterrestrials. Mm-hmm very nice. Hang in there

That's what I say. Hey in there and sometimes these people saw these objects in the UN to basin multiple times Donna saw her object three times a few months after the first sighting She said that she saw the object again except this time it shined with a light that was so bright and yellow That she said it looked like you could gather it with your hands like it had weight like a bunch of like a bunch of bananas And they weren't the only ones to see this object in particular Although Donna was the only one who said that she could see shadowy figures moving around inside the craft After the Donna Massey sightings though The sightings came in fast succession about a week after the Massey sightings two men named Chuck Thompson and Kent Denver

Yeah, it's just two straight men out here in the Utah Basin We love to camp. We love to shop for antiques and we run a restaurant together me and my best friend Chuck I love it. Well, they saw what they described as a double-confects ball of fire flying across the sky for about half an hour Something similar was also described by a man named Burl Haslam and his family With two other groups of people reporting that they'd seen it as well But one of the stranger fire like events was seen by a father and son duo named Orville and czar Rudy When did all these strange things go out of style? When did that happen? What was the change? I haven't heard of any of these names before the Orville Burl. I guess Orville is the Orville Redditor

Honestly, that makes sense. You want kids Marcus? What you got a name your kid one of these names to bring it back No Verl Park Sounds like an actual city park where everyone just goes and does like a fake THC Where they just do K2 all day in Verl Park. No, it's not good. Kent Denver though sounds like a weatherman a newsman I would completely straight anything a Kent Denver told me I would have to believe it Orville and czar said that about 8 p.m. One night They saw what looked like a burning haystack in the distance

But it but it didn't make any sense for a haystack to even be out there in the desert much less to have a burning haystack out In the desert well, they thought that at first it was just the moon playing tricks That's just a movie there was an optical illusion The moon was right as a rising above the horizon and for some reason it looked like it was on fire Okay, but the moon was already far above in the sky Soon whatever it was quickly flew into the sky still burning brighter than a flame and made a half circle around the real moon Before traveling out of sight like literally it was going like fuck you like it's weird There's a lot of this shit

Did they the word that comes up quite a bit for these sightings is fuckery mm-hmm my mom where they go up here? It's little bit like we're not the moon see how we're not the moon. Bye. Bye But it wasn't just orbs and light objects that were seen out there some saw actual mechanics Richard Fawcett and Morrowland Buchanan were hunting at Pelican Lake on the evening of November 14th 1968 when they saw something that they at first thought was nothing more than a balloon hold on they're hunting at the lake Yeah, I'm fishing at the lake. No you hunt geese at the lake. Oh you hunt geese. Yeah, you hunt geese hunt ducks That's really hot. Yeah, you hunt dove. Yeah, I feel bad for geese somewhat But then if you've ever met a goose you're very mean they are horrified

Yeah, so they took my sandwich when I was growing up Well from a distance what these guys saw did in fact look like a weather balloon with a string hanging below Blown in the breeze and since the Sun was setting and it was getting too dark for geese hunting The two figured they'd get in the truck and check it out Now they thought they'd drive about a mile get out of the truck grab the string and say yeah That's a balloon and then just be done with it No, but as they got closer the object got bigger and pretty soon They found they've been driving for seven or eight miles and still the object just kept getting bigger

And once they got close enough they saw that the string was in fact a tunnel about three feet in diameter Descending from the UFO down to the ground sucking up what looked to them to be just general gray matter They said that the object it was a tattoo was in fact round like a balloon But it was glowing as if light from the Sun was reflecting off its surface But the Sun had already said it was dusk and then the object just seemed to disappear And the one thing to dr. Frank Salisbury said is that maybe it does sound sort of like a dust devil Like maybe it was some kind of way of seeing it But that does not explain the balloon object on top of the big shiny metallic balloon attached to it

And the fact that it was the middle of the night, right? Yeah, I got the normally these things are done because of the heat of the day. Yeah, that's an afternoon thing I was sort of hoping when you said that they saw it and they grabbed it They got to grab the string and they looked up and they saw an elderly man He had a cane and it had four tennis balls on the bottom of it and a fact Boy Scout It was like a house it was a nice house that was just floating with balloons that movie is still very sad It's extremely sad, but it's a beautiful movie. It's a good movie

Now the majority of the sightings happened in 1966 and 1967 at a rate of about one a week From lights that look to be intelligently controlled to full-on metallic crafts that landed or Followed cars and there's a bit of a paradox here when it comes to the car chases Because as I said earlier the phenomenon does not like to be approached filmed or photographed But it loves being seen and acknowledged Interesting it is it is a personal experience. Yeah, it is you and this thing Whatever that intelligence is the whole object of it seems to be of each incident. It's been like hi. I'm here Do you see me? But guess what no one else will

There's a common trope But they have a breakdown of what I love in this book to is a breakdown of all the different types of sightings and kind of The things that are similar a lot of people are seeing the same kind of shit and it has the same behavior It's the same kind of amorphous lights weird crafts things that look like flying refrigerators This thing comes down like and then stuff like this It's balls of living light that seem to want to tag your car. You know, I like that though everyone's sharing everything It's nice to just have a personal moment. Yeah, you know, I mean people do think you're crazy if you ever talk about it But that's okay. I think there's something fun about that. Yeah, there is just for you

Yeah, just for you and for all of the 10 seconds max if you're at a concert on film and yes, that's my thing I do I take my pictures of the very top. Yeah, I'll do it like it's never the first song It's like the second song. I take a couple pictures and that's it because then I just want the edibles I did if you go to my Instagram at Ben kissle one I did have a great time touring the wax museum and I was alone so I filmed that for the audience It's nice. We had a lot of fun jokes in there. Yeah, yes, it's a great wax museum Marcus Which one the one on whatever Hollywood Boulevard in LA. Oh, it's like legitimately fireplace. No, not Save your money you just wait don't go to my damn two sods and you went to David Buster's in Los Angeles

You literally could have gone to anywhere in the entire city and you went to those two places You got hammered at David Buster's. Yeah, you're like if the entire Griswold family was murdered and lumped into a big body And slapped a beard on yes, I know what that you sent that in a text message And I said it's fun to act like a father of three without the children. Yeah I know I was at David Buster's and I was drinking my tall BL 20 ounces Yeah, pretty good deal for six bucks and I'm driving and I want all of my races because you're actually going against AI That's all a lie. They have your picture. I raced against myself Yeah, because they had my picture and I got up after winning like three matches and there's his family this this father

I said hey, man feels good to be able to drink and drive and then he looked at me Like I had eight heads and it's like kids. We scurry away now and I'm like I can drink a beer and drive like you can't do that. We're like, are you a skin walker? Honestly, like what is it that you do all day? Like are you what people see like are you the type of the are you out in Utah? Have you been out there? Have you been buzzing the skin walker? I might be I would love to live in Utah Well back to the UFOs. Thank you The one scene back then they didn't leave evidence either There are no photographs that I've seen at least from the 60 sightings and there were no burn marks or

indentations in the soil in the areas where the craft were known to land and we see that in other UFO stories, you know, we see certain That what was that wasn't it Gulf Breeze that had some pretty intense Landing evidence, right? Yes. Yes, we have some indentations and we've seen other things We talk about eventually when they do the Rendlesham Forest and they talk about that incident where they had impressions that they took of the Landing gear quote-unquote of the UFO, but again, that's not the point of it Well, in addition the UFOs were in almost all cases totally silent and there was only one Possible abduction when two women reported that they saw a craft while they were driving

Then they showed up at their destination with hours of missing time Oh These sightings also tended to last a lot longer than many UFO sightings out of all the ones junior collected only 15% were less than a minute half of them were less than 10 minutes But 37% of these sightings were 10 minutes or more and 15% of those were more than half an hour They were truly whatever the fuck is happening in this part of the country at this time period They were showing up and they were saying fucking look at me. They were presenting themselves to the people

But there was a dark side to all of this as well In addition to all the UFO sightings the basin also saw a fair amount of cattle mutilations Now cattle mutilations are among the most bizarre and puzzling paranormal phenomena out there Usually how it goes is that a cow will be found in a field completely mangled and dismembered Sometimes with wounds that seem as if they were done surgically by no means the work of a predator in other words And in every case there's no bloody mess like you would expect the way they describe them as as if it was done and then present it Mm-hmm It seems to be that it looks like it someone which is why people want to debunk them really bad because it does it feels

Very purposeful. Yeah, right now debunkers say that cattle mutilation is a fairly straightforward explanation cows will sometimes die of what's called the Clostridium bacteria then as the body decomposes The body expands as it's filled with gases and then the more fleshy areas of the cow are exposed And then those fleshy areas are munched off by scavengers And the reason why there isn't any blood is because by the time the munchin occurs all the blood has coagulated Coagulated mm-hmm, but all that takes quite a bit of time and in the next episode We'll tell a story involving the gormons that blows that explanation completely out of the water So speaking of which let's talk about skim walker ranch itself, man

We're just getting to it. We're just now getting to it. We're just fucking starting to do it. So put it this way So remember this so all this shit has been going on This is to this time this whole area that countries thick with wackadoo activity a lot of tension between tribes And now skim walker ranch is going to open its doors and we're going to saunter in like me at a pant store Oh, all right confident Now one thing you may have noted so far like Henry says that none of the UFO sightings We've discussed occurred on skim walker ranch itself And if you've read the hunt for the skim walker

You know that one of the first claims they make is that the center of paranormal activity in the ewan to basin has always Always been skim walker ranch, but that may not be true or at the very least the authors of that book Don't know that to be true. See when dr. Frank Salisbury originally wrote the Utah UFO display in 1973 There wasn't a goddamn word in it about skim walker ranch There are two possible explanations here either nothing was happening on skim walker ranch or the people that live there Just weren't telling anyone so Salisbury decided to find out the truth Now one of the claims made in hunt for the skim walker is that the previous owners of the ranch before the Gormans had purchased the Property in the 50s abandoned it by the late 80s and were happy to unload it in 1994

Furthermore, they say that the contract of sale came with a strange clause that required the new owners to contact the old ones Before any digging was done anywhere on the land weird Now we don't know if the authors of hunt got bad information Or if they just fudged a few facts to make the story simpler and spookier But this version of the story is not the whole truth as dr. Frank Salisbury found out He tracked down a man named Garth Myers who was the brother of Kenneth Myers who had lived on the ranch with his wife Edith for almost 60 years and Garth was the one who had negotiated the sale of the ranch to the Gormans According to Garth the ranch was bought in 1933 by his brother Kenneth and as far as Garth knew

Kenneth and his wife Edith lived there without incident until Kenneth died in 1987 at age 86 Edith continued to live on the ranch for another five years until she was moved to a rest home where she died in 1994 after which the ownership of the ranch reverted to Garth and his sisters Helen Baxter and La Prière Poisson. Okay. Yes. Very good. This is all very good information. I love this book Of course and Garth maintains that in the entire 60 years that his brother lived there and the five years that his sister-in-law live There alone, they never once mentioned anything that could have even resembled paranormal activity Nor did most of the townsfolk ever hear anything because the Myers were pretty much hermits

They talked to very few people in town However, it is possible that Kenneth just never told his brother about anything that happened on the ranch As Garth Myers was what you might call a bit of a fuddy-duddy when it came to talking about stories of the supernatural with dr Salisbury. Oh, so he's no fun to talk to. Yeah, I can see the line of thought Right because Garth Myers wanted to come out and lay down the line and say you want to lay down the law and say nothing Fucking happened on Skinwalker Ranch. My brother never said anything But he definitely has an agenda in this Garth Myers from the tone in which the way Dr. Salisbury is talking by the way he was talking about it was essentially being like this is fucking nonsense

I'm sick of people talking about it. All it does is bring embarrassing Attention to my family. Well, and it makes him really really scared makes him really upset But there's also a part of it as I think that when you see when you talk about what the what the Eventually the Gorman family would say is that this line this type of person is very fucking private And so the concept of this happening and then being national news is so embarrassing that even if it was real He would deny it. They would obviously I feel like at this point They would say no no no because if it was real that would mean that would mean something wiggity That's not right with reality that doesn't fit into their current life. Yeah, and buddy. Duddy indeed

Yeah, and Garth Myers was I mean he discounted absolutely everything He's like, oh, yeah, all that other stuff in the you into basin as just stories Because you know Salisbury asked me was like, well, what about everything else? He's like, oh, it's fine if they'd say that but just know that it's all stories. It's all it's all stories It's nothing's true. Everything's bullshit Well, and let's sure forget there was a large stigma around anyone who was like my son alien They'd be like, you're of course. Yes local Yoko must be Well, now it's a little bit different, but no, it's not as bad as it used to be

There still is and it's still the same thing I want to say because a part of it is this concept that everybody made money that like that whoever was the Gorman family made Money off the attention and the skinwalker ranch brought them and also being like it only destroys your life Every single time anybody involves themselves in the UFO world that destroys their life. I understand I'm flirting with it. No, they understand the danger I'm bringing to a life of happiness and and Any sort of any sort of peace by wanting to be a part of the UFO community, but it's fucking rough on you It didn't destroy Tom DeLong's life from blink one of you, too. Yeah, he already had a lot of money though He is fucking he is just

Hammering money It's going to ruin his life could be could be well in addition to Pause the possibility that Garth Myers might just be denying things for the sake of denying them Junior Hicks distinctly remembered that back in the 60s when he was gathering stories a clerk at the local drug store told him that if he wanted To hear some real UFO stories He should go talk to Edith Myers The Hicks just never followed up because everyone just came to Junior Hicks with stories He didn't have time to go out and seek more stories on his own

See that is the kind of stuff that I miss with local small businesses They are just willing to like oh are you a client? You also want to be freaked out. I got words for you I love you. Don't get that still. I mean I get that all the time How many times I'm either like getting a haircut or I don't even know who I am or what I do and they're like Well Hitler Cluton is definitely in charge of a pedophile I mean now every time you talk to someone who works in customer service, they're just trying to hey, have you signed up for clear? Yeah Tell me about the aliens you've seen over LaGuardia Airport and JFK, please

Well, then there's the matter of the digging which Garth has a reasonable explanation for as well He said that it has to do with oil rights because the Myers retained the mineral rights of the land when they sold it meaning that they owned Any oil underneath should it be discovered later, which is actually a pretty common clause out west. Oh, yeah So it makes sense that Garth would want to be notified if any digging should take place Sure, but people who knew the Myers said that Kenneth was always quote Very fussy as to where one could dig on his property back when he was alive And when they asked him why he was always very vague. He just said bad things can happen if you dig in the wrong spot Now they bought this land. There's a part of a tug of this

And so they went to there's three homesteads inside of Skinwalker Ranch, which is known as the Sherman Ranch, right? There's three different areas where people live so they had one middle area that was completely abandoned It was filled with these old bunk houses and shit where they said We'll go into where the the majority of the bad activity happened Okay, when they went to the main homestead when they showed up at this house He said the first thing they noticed about the house was the fact that it had massive locks on the outside and the inside The and it had these giant past these like big gated areas for dogs and shit Like they put up all these extra gates

And so they don't know what the fuck this is your first they roll being like well, what are they being raided by something? Yeah, large heavy-duty dead bolts on both the inside and the outside That's what it said in the hunt for the skim walker But Garth Meyer said he didn't remember seeing any of that shit And he said that he could actually just kick the door open if the key wasn't working But a neighbor the next ranch over said he sure as hell remembered not only the door locks But sliding locks on all the cabinets and windows as well interesting Yeah, just a regular like you know your kitchen cabinets. They had sliding locks to keep them closed sounds like child safety locks

Perhaps this is fucking the 1950s The kids are playing with guns. Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember that when kids could be kids the Myers were a childless couple Okay, but whatever the real story is the fact remains that the Gorman family husband wife and two kids arrived on the ranch in 1994 as I said these people were cattle ranchers There were Mormons who had moved from New Mexico to escape the small-town gossip life So they could enjoy a secluded lifestyle that would allow them to focus on their work Honestly, these were cattle ranchers. Yes, they're small town in New Mexico was too gossip So they had to move to deeper deeper isolation to run these and but they had these very very expensive

Decal yeah, yeah serious cattle ranchers almost Obsessive, I mean these are the kind of people that we used to talk about all the time on roundtable who sell that super expensive bull semen by the gallon Those types of people. Yeah, also really expensive. Yeah, really expensive Yeah, and these but they also raised like extremely high quality heifers worth thousands of dollars like show animals right like these people were Fucking serious, okay, and once they moved in all seemed to be going well They thought they'd found their own little homestead right there in the middle of a youth reservation in an isolated corner of Utah Everything was going great, but everything changed the day that the wolf appeared Now it must be said that the father in this story told Dr.

Salisbury that this story as it appears in the hunt for the skim walker was based on hearsay, but He did not deny that something very close to this actually happened Hmm, so about five months after the Gormons arrived the father and his kids were working cattle at a Corral near their house when they saw a creature in the distance Looked like a normal wolf, but just like the aforementioned UFO sightings as the wolf got closer The father realized just how big it actually was They're they said they're like what the fuck is that thing is like And they see this thing they're like oh wolf's coming cuz he's fucking attracted to the cattle

What are we gonna do well the size of it was about three times what a normal wolf should be Suggesting that it was actually something closer to a dire wolf Which is an actual animal that went extinct 10,000 years ago really yeah, yeah dire wolves are real What about a beowulf? Beowulf is a character. Beowulf is a man. The Grendel is the monster. I thought that was the location between your That's a grundle man. I just if I was your English teacher in school I can imagine just look at it your big fucking head What about be like while you're in school

Cracking a dictionary across Got into a lot of trouble Well, the father said that as the huge creature approached them none of them felt like they were in any danger They didn't get a bad feeling from it It was like just a really big dog was coming up and saying hello and in fact a dog walked up They patted it on the head is good doggy Oh, but the or also like this thing came up to his shoulders. Yeah, so he went up to and they're literally like nice doggy Right doggy like pat nits on his head wall and they said the one thing about it had ice blue eyes

It went through and it was staring through them like this wise creature that seems to like know what they're doing I love it But then before the family knew what was happening the wolf darted over to the pins in a flash of movement And suddenly had its jaws clenched around the head and neck of one of the calves So protecting his infestment the father tried kicking the huge animal to get it to let go But it wouldn't budge so he sent his son to grab the 357 Magnum from the nearby truck Go go get the Magnum I love the term is like the way they talk about the story. He's like go get the goddamn Magnum

He's like yes father. I'll get the big gun father. Better do it. Yeah And once the gun was retrieved the father fired a bullet directly into the wolf's chest But nothing happened. Not only was there no blood the animal didn't seem to be even bothered It took two more shots from a 357 before the animal let go and hopefully a whole family's kicking it in the side The whole family's kicking this fucking wolf and it's just standing there like kissle with a sandwich in his hand Yeah, I'm not budging for nothing. You can't get that out of my claws But even then after the animal let go all it did was wander a few feet away and stare back at them So the father sent the boy for an even bigger gun the 30-odd six. Oh

I don't know where guns are kept and the gun shed yeah cabinet gun case gun cabinet gun room We had a good room. There are some houses that have full gun sheds in this country Now a 30-odd six is powerful enough to take down an elk and should have had more than enough firepower To take down a creature even as big as this but still a shell from a 30-odd six didn't kill it It was only after a second shot from the gun that anything seemed to happen because slug blew a chunk of flesh From the animal's shoulder, which was finally enough to make it run off a father and son still gave chase trying to finish it off They followed its tracks But about 60 yards before they reached the river that ran through the property the tracks just stopped as if the wolf

Had vanished and said the part of it that was fucky was that deep the paw like as they were going as they were tracking the animal The animal seemed to have been caught in this like foot deep mud and they saw these huge tracks like flip-flip Like it was pulling his fucking paws out of it Right and then it got to this creek bed and then just fucking disappeared cool When they returned to the pen to examine the flesh that have been blown from the creature's shoulder They found that it already stunk like death as if it had been blown from a rotting corpse cool In the coming days the wife of a Gorman family saw a huge wolf Wandering the property as well and complained of the tribal police come get rid of this fucking wolf

But much to her surprise she was told that the last wolf in the area had been killed in 1929 And that was only the first of dozens of paranormal events experienced by the Gormans All of which will be discussed next week on skim walker ranch part 2 All right, this is my favorite shit in the world really really fun I love this shit skim walker ranch part 1 in the books part 2 coming out next week That'll be a lot of fun. Awesome. Well, thank you all so much for listening. Thank you for enjoying the episode I hope you liked it. I'll be I like I will say and we did our best to try to understand quite a bit of native American

Lore in history Mike what I would love to if anybody out there that really knows this kind of stuff wants to send us information About skin walkers because I'm very very interested in the stuff that I found was like was very Biased and I know a lot of this stuff is very like it is shrouded in mystery Purposefully, they don't want they don't like talking about it So if you know anything more about it, please feel free to send us an email Especially at side stories LP otl and gmail.com so I can hear more of this shit because I think it's interesting as hell It is but I know I don't know any Navajo and they won't speak to me Well, I think it's because you're a very intimidating small scary screaming person who is constantly threatening people once they understand

I'm cute right then it's fine. Well, if there are Henry and I you do a interview series for our patreon Thank you all so much for giving to our patreon. Thank you very much If you know anyone maybe a Navajo leader or elder that would like to speak with us We would love to talk to them. Yeah about their Thoughts on skin Walker ranch and stuff like that. So yeah, feel free to reach out. That would be really fun And thank you. I'm really excited because next week we get to all this activity. We're gonna talk about fucking nids We're gonna talk about where what who the fuck Robert Bigelow is which I'm very very excited for talking about the amount of money That was put into research

Which my my thing is about that too is being they spent millions of dollars researching skin Walker ranch If something wasn't there, they wasted their money and I feel like they There's gonna be we're gonna talk a lot about motives Super-secret UFO industry will always follow the Bigelow. I don't know why I feel that but I just feel that mm-hmm I want to thank everyone who came out to the ecoplex this past Tuesday to honor Kevin Barnett in Los Angeles It was a wonderful show and another great Step in in the healing process. Yeah, so it was really nice to see you all and honestly It was fun because you know Bobcat Goldwaith, you know, Jermaine Fowler

So Bob Mike probably I gave a great presentation reading one of Kevin's stories But our fan base showed up in droves So it was so sweet to walk on stage and just feel at home. Yeah, and so I want to say really much for representing us And yeah, I wish I could I really wish I could have been there. It was he was he was strapped to the He was strapped to the paddles of crom Moving the grinder being stronger and stronger every day. I it was really overwhelming and it was really very beautiful I feel like I met some fans afterwards and I was just fucking Emotionally wiped. Oh my god. So I feel like I wish I could have given more honestly to people

But everybody that came and showed up to see that show. Yeah, it was it was really really nice. Thank you guys so much Thank you again, we keep saying this but the the the way you guys have lifted us up in this last month has been Incredible and it's shown so much. I don't know. It's I can't really I have no words No words a rare sentiment uttered by Henry Zabrowski So yes, it was so nice and you know just done a little bit more of a selfish level dude We're doing so good, you know Because it was so great to see all of our friends and fans that I was just walking through the crowd Waiting in line to get my BL, you know and so many people came up to me and I was just like this is so awesome

There's so many great people on this show and the fact that they were some people that were just like we got tickets to see you Guys was like it made it made my heart feel just so great and Kevin would have loved that show But this is what man, but now we're on the road. We're gonna come see your fucking asses That's out there. I'm really excited. We have a bunch of other dates that we're gonna be releasing soon We can't fucking wait for that shit. We have a couple of insert. We're going international. Oh, yeah, we're very international Yeah, and that'll be it. That'll be announced here very soon within the next couple of weeks But until then if you want to see us here in America, we are going to be in

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