Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 353: Skinwalker Ranch Part II - Tales of the Gormans

Episode Date: February 23, 2019

On the second part in our three part series, we cover the various phenomena experienced by the Gorman family on Skinwalker Ranch prior to the full investigation, from cattle mutilations to orange portals to other worlds to deadly blue orbs. 

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started My name is I will introduce myself as Hubert. Okay. I'm I'm also a Utah farmer. I run a bean farm Oh, yeah, it's not successful. Why not beans have yet to sprout Seeds yes, the seeds have been purchased and they have been planted, but I too have seen some activity in the area Yeah, um, I saw these I got these I was assuming to be a Floating line. It was a floating light. Uh-huh. Um, I know some coming from my wife's Bedroom of our master bedroom. Okay. I come home from a long day and just staring at these bean

Right, and I go into into our master bedroom and I see There's a form on top of my wife, right and they explained to me that he had come from outer space They explained together. I knew then Aliens are coming from Mars to have sex with our plane wires Oh my goodness. Well, that's not good. I'm sorry, buddy. Well I know well the beans gotta grow welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben kissle with Marcus Parks. Who's wearing the same shirt that I have today Oh, yes. Hello, Ben. Are you very good and speaking of t-shirts Henry Zabrowski has chose to avoid one today

T-shirt no one can see you other than Marcus So your sweater is in full wonderful Christmas condition thank you so much for gracing us with your weird nipples It's just got my hair is getting so long on my shoulders getting so long Your hair has been long since you were an infant on your shoulder specifically I look like I look like I have Bernie Sanders sitting on my shoulder like a parrot It's sticking out both sides. We know I have a meeting after this not to brag But I have a big Hollywood meeting and I hate sweating through my clothes before I arrive

Interesting a big Hollywood audition for Henry Zabrowski, and I don't want to speak on a turn, but I'm gonna say this There's no way you don't get it No way you're not cast no way I tell you what I got my knee pads, and I got my shushum lips That's good. All right, everyone Today, I mean honestly the response to these episodes have been incredible already the last episode So we're on the skin Walker Ranch part two I want to thank everyone who shot us an email and we'll continue to read some on side stories Coming up next week because we got so many. Oh, yeah

Now as we said last episode Dr. Salisbury Contacted the man known as Tom Gorman upon writing the second edition of the Utah UFO display in 2009 in the hopes that Tom might shed some light on what really happened on skin Walker Ranch Compared to the claims made in the book hunt for the skin Walker You guys should really read the re-work or the redo of the Utah UFO display The what's the term for that when they redo a book? I mean, it's redo rewrite re-write second edition second edition You should really read that because I love his perspective on the skin Walker Ranch Yeah, and of course there was another book and if you do read that it's really entirely different

It's called search for the skin flute and that's actually about a man discovering for the first time because they seem to find the skin flute like six or seven times and each Encounter lasts about 25 minutes. It's quite weird quite bizarre Well in the conversation the dr. Salisbury had with Tom Gorman Gorman said while some of the stories involving his family are embellished and some of the stories as they're told in hunt for the skin Walker only resemble the actual events none of those stories are outright Fabrications according to quote-unquote Tom Gorman Tom Gorman whose real name we absolutely know it has been printed elsewhere And we've been said at time again George Knapp always says that if you want to find it you can find it

But we here we respect the witnesses. I love it. Yeah, Gorman. It is I like Gorman too. Yeah, it's a nice name Furthermore it bears mentioned that Tom Gorman had no idea that a book was gonna be written about his experiences when he shared him with The co-author of the hunt for the skin Walker comb killer her wait So the guy was just talking to this other dude be like, why do you have your ink pen? And why do you have your why do you have your quill out and you're in your bath? I just love to keep my diary active Interesting Colm had a wonderful. He's got a wonderful little little he's got a wonderful little accent I love hearing them on coast to coast a yes, so he didn't know that he was being documented He did not interesting and this fact tells us something important about Tom Gorman. He was not in this for a cut of the cash

He did not make up this story. In fact, Tom Gorman is on record as saying that he fucking hates science fiction You know life is so bizarre like that He hates science fiction becomes one of the stars of the largest science fiction story one of the largest science fiction stories in the world, you know science fact Interestingly enough I saw an interview with Jamie Lee Curtis of Halloween fame. She doesn't like horror movies No, isn't that crazy? She good. This is that's a bit. That's like an interview She doesn't quote-unquote like horror movies so that she gets a fun little potion poll

But she's been very well paid by horror. Oh, I think that she has liked the genre overall Yeah, I will say upon reading the upon reading the move on training manual Mm-hmm, and it's a very funny the way they talk about talking to witnesses like the number one thing it says it's just being like Remember when you're on television, you can keep your glasses on One of things it says is that like when talking to witnesses make sure you state by no fact as clear as possible You will not make money From telling me about your UFO experiences as a matter of fact, it will probably ruin your life All right, it's like in writing

Interesting well at least they're up front about it. That's good. Yeah I mean all Tom Gorman cared about was stopping whatever it was that was happening on his ranch So he and his family could get on with their lives and make some money in the cattle business Tom Gorman just wanted help. Oh, man. There's nothing sadder than a sentence. I just want to be a cattle man I just want to be alone with my calves and I'm not talking about my legs. Look at my legs But before we get into the investigation that followed Tom's request for assistance We're gonna spend today's entire episode focused solely on the experiences of the Gormans before the scientists and investigators Even showed up. Whoa

Very nice and yes, these stories are second-hand accounts But what follows in episode three will be first-hand accounts from scientists and Researchers that support some of the claims that the Gormans made USA But that some of the claims and we're gonna really get into this because I am now putting my Mofon goggles as we talk about this whole topic and I remember and I didn't bring my identification card Which is unfortunate because technically each beginning encounter of a Mufon investigation has to begin with you Presenting your investigation ID and and stating your number to be everyone and you also are supposed to be talked to a witness They must have another witness with them over the age of 18 to make sure that everything that you do is proper

Yeah, Henry say I'm a UFO like I've seen a UFO and I've called up Mufon and you come on out How are you gonna approach me? I'll be his witness Hi, hello, huge witness. You have here one of the bigger witnesses offensive Hi, my name is Henry Zabrowski VIP Mufon investigator number 27093 Tell me what seems to be the problem. Well, first thing we have to do is show me the area Where you saw the object? I saw it right over here right behind my house and that clearing right above the corn. Yep Okay, let me get my Temperature laser machine

So did this object kill you No, it was only a sighting only a I'm gonna have to come back in 72 hours And that is true the sighting must be handled immediately if the person is dead Now it is understandable if some of these stories that we tell today sound completely outlandish even impossible But as one story builds upon another and one witness turns into several a picture will begin to emerge Think of it this way a pigeon might land on a newspaper on a New York City street And even though the pigeon will recognize the newspaper as an object It will never be able to understand its contents or even the concept of news

I'm just saying that if a pigeon ever lands on a newspaper and looks up to me and he just goes Trump's collusion That's so sad for a pigeon though It'll never understand how great the puns are on the New York post especially when Anthony Wiener is on the cover But just because the pigeon can't understand the wider purpose of the object on which it is standing Does not mean that the New York post does not exist All it means is that the only meaningful interaction the pigeon is gonna have with the post is that the pigeon might get Startled when the wind blows the pages open and take a big shit on it

So without further ado Let's get into the story of Tom Ellen Tad and Kate Gorman as they're called in a book and begin to explore the two-year-long Nightmare of their skim walker ranch tenure This shit gets honestly gets really creepy. Yeah, I hope what you're doing right now, and this is true It's like I hope you're in a good quiet place This is a really good material for being in a quiet dark place like you're waiting for an X inside of their car You're not supposed to be in Bad to do bad to do just get very creeped out. Well, just let her go

I say let her go she actually found love. You don't need to be the weird guy with crutches from something about Mary So as we said at the top of the first episode skim walker ranch is hosted just about every kind of paranormal activity You can name and that includes Poltergeist activity and it started off small happening mostly to Ellen the wife following the incident with the wolf Kitchen utensils and food will mysteriously go missing then turn up in odd areas of the house like the fridge freezer or oven Sometimes that poltergeist is called late-night bourbon, and I've done it to myself I know I wake up. I I have actually been great this week The last room on the left Henry mocked me when I said I was gonna drink 70% less because I got my vape

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I have yeah, oh good And so I have not woken up to any chips potato chips in the toilet. There's nothing in the back because I wake up I sleep eat and I sit on the toilet Wait a second you're doing this in your own fucking home, too Well, yeah, you put in chips in the toilet. You're putting food in the fucking toilet Some drop in there some drop in there from the mouth No, this isn't yeah that happened in Chicago. I didn't realize it couldn't flush them I was trying to clean up the hotel room

Everyone does it a lot of people do that Well, there's a lot of people support me on that Listen some of this other phenomena Salt and pepper shakers would switch their contents back and forth so often that the gormans Took to shake it a little bit in their palm before they season their food to see what was actually inside salt To pepper pepper to salt. Oh my gosh. Jesus Christ Then the doors and cabinets started opening and closing of their own accord Which seemed to solve the mystery of the dead bolts that the gormans had found upon their arrival to the home

These small events could certainly be attributed to the two teenagers playing tricks But events began to transpire on a level far beyond that explanation One day Ellen was alone at the house and had just transferred a large load of newly-bought groceries from the kitchen table To the cabinets. It's a strange way to call it a load of groceries It's my word Described it that way Totally bags load now you got a load. It's just load is also it anyway Well, she'd left the kitchen for just a few moments

But when she returned all of the groceries she just put away were back on the kitchen table And it had all been done without a sound Sounds like poltergeist it sounds like the movie poltergeist with the chairs when she'd leave the room and come back in all the chairs Information this is very common with poltergeist activity where people go because it's that trickster energy. Mm-hmm, right now So this is the is it this entity just sort of warming up be like I can move this maybe yeah So inching towards very small things at first, okay And it wasn't just Ellen who experienced these trickster like incidents Tom had been working in the pasture one day and had left a post hole digger laying on the ground while he went back to his truck for a wrench

But when he came back just a couple minutes later the post hole digger was gone Whoa, and from what I've read about Tom I can just imagine this fucking action because it seems like he's highly irritable. Yes He is constantly going for the gun He shoots at these things more often than not like when they the way he talks about how how often he's shooting at orbs and shit Like he was he was popping off sometimes wow imagine to him He's out there and they're fucking cuz this is a 70 pound tool. There's a huge thing. Oh, yeah I

Yeah, but at first he thought it was the kids. Yeah, right, of course He's a little Yosemite Sam there and freak it out clicking his heels in anger Yeah, and he didn't see the implement again for weeks until it reappeared 20 feet above his head resting in a tree. I Is so far. I really like this ghost you like that. Why do you like it's a pain in the ass? It's funny You take your load of groceries you put them away, and then you come back and they're all out again, and then this guy lost a pole Post hole digger a post. It seems more and more. It's just you doing all this shit and camouflage BL between your knees I'm like got him again. Got him again. I have a question for you. You sure can ghosts laugh

Are you George Norrie? Because this seems comical Well other tools went missing as well Water hoses would disappear then be found in strange places always coiled into a neat circle three or four feet in diameter Shovels would disappear Irrigation pipes would be open and closed with no tire tracks or footprints to tell who'd done it and have it Personally done this type of work alone in a wide expanse of land with not a soul around for miles I can only imagine how both terrifying and

Absolutely Aggravating this entire experience must have been just this guy would just fucking chunks out of his hat from him biting it How many times he's grabbing a hammer and just pulling it into the fucking horseman I can't stand this damn shit. See that's funny Maybe it's just because Henry's doing it, but you think he was more aggravated or more scared I think more aggravated. Yeah, but perhaps the most Infuriating and at the same time disturbing poltergeist activity of this sort happened to Tom's son tad tad isn't his real name tad is just what they called him and hunt for the skim walker for some reason. Thank God

Thank God One day tad and his friends were tasked with moving about 200 metal poles used to build corrals from the front yard to another Location but when Tom showed back up that afternoon to make sure the job had been done He found that the poles were right where they were when he left that morning He found a son ask him why the job hadn't been done But the boys swore they'd spent all morning moving the pipes You might say boys just hadn't done the job or blaming their laziness on the polter guys to get easy say that Yeah, could be but while the poles were in the same area

They were not quite in their original spot because you could see the original depressions in the ground where the poles had Been in the first place And again having done work exactly like this in the past There's no way in hell that a bunch of ranch working teenagers would have moved 200 poles when in between 25 and a hundred pounds each from one spot to another then back again just as a goof on dad Yeah, cuz you just didn't have to do the whole fucking thing again Yeah, and you're probably not gonna get paid for the second time that you did it Oh, you think you guys are not do you think you paid the kids?

I bet he paid him for the first time Betty didn't pay him for the second absolutely not yeah exactly and the polter guys just Another lost job Okay, so it's it's interesting stuff yours lifted heavy heavy equipment and heavy Yeah, I mean, this is gigantic things are being moved here There was something terribly strange going on at the ranch and it was only about to get weirder with the arrival of what's known in South America As a chupa not to be confused with a chupa cabra. Okay, they're also sometimes called the chupa chupa Which literally means sucker sucker And it is it was a wave of Brazilian UFO sightings that happened in 1977 and it was documented by Jacques Valet in a book called

Confrontations About these things they called chupa chupas which were these essentially look like RVs made out of porcelain that would float over These areas and zap people with like flashlights Essentially these be would go out and people would be so Entranced by the light coming out of these things they would like get out of their car They'd see one example was a woman saw it come up It's floating in front of her in front of the road. She got out of her car was so entranced by it

And the light hit her from like a big spotlight and it gave her a sunburn Oh and basically turned out she was suffering from radiation poisoning her fucking hair fell out in old sick So basically it's this weird strain of UFOs that are also able to hurt you Interesting, you know, I learned this on a flight recently. It's not really funny or anything But I thought it was fascinating I was talking to a flight attendant waiting for this really old man to get out of the bathroom So we had a long time to talk Apparently stewardesses and stewards have a higher chance of cancer because they get more radiation because they're closer to the sun

Wow, did not know that but she told me that yeah, it's a little bit I mean totally nothing to do with the story, but Thank you for the contribution. Thank you So the arrival of this craft was preceded by tom's city boy nephew dav Dave have been sent down to the ranch for a toughen up visit But instead That is that is the worst visit Can you imagine this? Oh, you are you are supposed to be in tap camp, right? It's like his job

It's like, yeah, I was supposed to go to Salt Lake for a tap camp But instead they're sending me to the Sherman ranch to just sort of like, you know, they said they want me to see what dirt is And then you show up at skin walker ranch Walker ranch. Oh my god. It's not even it's not a normal ranch. It is the most haunted Place in your park Yeah, toughen them up by scaring the hell out of them. Oh, yeah I mean that that happens all the time like y'all. I don't know how many times I've heard like an old ranch So you're like you're sitting on down you get them work me for about two weeks and we'll see if that boy's still gonna be bad

So that's just what they've always do or something. You're like this did not do anything for me Can you just it just him going Oh About these poles They are just so heavy. What if instead we get the town together and do a fundraiser musical That's perfect. Maybe do babes and arms great little play Instead of getting tough and up Dave spent the entire time at skim walker ranch exhausted and terrified One night Tom who knew Dave was afraid of the dark

Forced Dave and Tad to take a stroll outdoors at dusk so they could all appreciate the splendor of nature Because Tom knew freaky shit was happening at night and I remember this but he loved night walks so much that he refused to give it up And you know like everyone said the same time too the the neighbors was up being like you shouldn't be out here at night Weird shit happens not even just like the UFOs and ghosts and shit There's like animals and like stuff you know like you should be careful and Tom's like I like walking And Chupa's gonna tell me I can't walk on my land Okay, but just as night was falling

Tom spotted the lights of what looked like an RV in the distance A tom had already been dealing with trespassing hunters So he and the two teenagers started making their way towards the RV to tell the poachers to get the hell on out of this Get out of his poor kid has to go on a fucking recon mission Talking with his uncle Tom who is got already got a rifle with a sandbill. We're gonna chase these poachers out of here little boy He's just like I was supposed to be in band camp Oh my well poaching is a real serious problem. Get out of here. It's a huge problem. Get the hell out of here Absolutely

But just as they approached the vehicle It started going in the other direction as if it knew they were coming Even though the gormans were too far away to be seen by whoever was inside Furthermore, Tom couldn't make out any engine noises as the vehicle sped away And the lights of whatever it was weren't bumping around like an RV driving on rough ground should have been So Tom and the boys gave chase but were even more puzzled when they witnessed the lights move smoothly up and over something in the distance Once they got to the spot. They realized that the vehicle was somehow lifting itself over the fence lines Finally though the vehicle reached the end of the property where a grove of trees would make it impossible to pass through

Tom thought they finally had the vehicle trapped but then something extraordinary happened The lights slowly ascended into the air climbing smoothly and slowly to the top of the tree line some 50 feet high And as it rose they were finally able to see that they've been chasing an oblong object Shaped like a large fridge. Uncle Tom refrigerators are supposed to be in the kitchen My goodness, let's go play in that fun play and bring the community together. Shall we? That's what I would do if I was Tom and as they watched the craft silently disappeared over the horizon Now by this point city boy Dave was so terrified. He'd start a crying and he went home the next day Now when you say city boy, are we talking like a dude who comes from a town of like 3 000 people?

Because I don't look what's a city boy by by skinwalker ranch standards. Honestly, it sounds like it was like salt lake city Okay, yeah, these are more because you remember their Mormons. All right, of course The craft that they saw that night was only the first of many that would visit skinwalker ranch during their tenure as owners The next one Tom saw was about 30 to 40 feet long and hovered silently only about 20 feet off the ground Tom said that it was shaped like a snub-nosed hybrid of a stealth fighter and a b2 bomber And it was covered in small multicolored lights that scan the ground below Tom said that it was obviously looking for something Then it just disappeared

I mean this stuff's very surreal because it's a part of the dream imagery That's wrapped into UFO sightings because that's what they said it looked like it looked like a fucking bad copy of a plane That was interesting and like these are no nonsense people and they're out there just watching the shit scan their land Well, he's got a rifle on his fucking knee and they are just like it They're we'll get into it, but they are both horrified and transfixed. So there's two of them or three of them out there There's just two of them. There's two of them and then they're two kids Although the daughter never shows up once as far as witnesses go in the book the hunt for the skinwalker ranch Although I also don't know how the daughter actually was like tad was the only one

As far as I know that saw anything, but Kate might have been too young. I'm not sure And ellen also saw this stuff a few weeks after tom saw the scanner A large black triangular object kept pace with ellen's car as she was driving towards the homestead Again, the craft made no noise even though it was only about 20 feet away Then about an hour later after ellen was back at home She said she looked out her window and saw what appeared to be another rv But this time she was able to clearly see the object She said it was brightly lit and through the windows of the object

She could see a large black figure sitting behind what looked like a desk Then the figure got up and walked outside By the measures of a regular rv ellen said that the figure must have been at least seven feet tall Wearing a black visor over his face and knee-high boots and he was staring right at her Honestly, it sounds like me when I go to las vegas I'm going to get my green visor Yeah, if I wear a mask no one can see me is that the idea that if I wear a cover of my face I could do everything anonymous let's stay focused. Yeah a part of what's hinting at but not fully fleshed out in skin walker ranch

Is that also skin walker ranch has a fucking vibe? Yeah, right like it has a there especially for people that seem to be keyed into whatever the fuck it is That's happening over there when they ellen even more so than tom Was almost emotionally Confronted by what was happening on the ranch. So this shit was like she saw this thing She said because first she sees this object and she's like what is what's this thing doing on our land? There's an rv parked in our land

Right and then she looks in and through it She could see in the door of it that this figure stand up walk out and look at her And she's like I am about to be a victim of something this thing is fucking staring at me. It's clocking me I don't know what the fuck it is. So immediately because tom was out of town, of course Did they talk about this like as a couple where they just like laying in bed and be like Yeah, let's talk about what we have to the grocery shopping for tomorrow the aliens were seeing Well, what it started at the poltergeist activity. They didn't tell each other about it at first No, they didn't because ellen thought she was losing her mind. She wasn't telling anyone about it because she had the incident with all the groceries

She said that she knew that she had put up all those groceries She's like it wasn't it wasn't any sort of like mental apps, but she thought well, maybe I'm losing my mind I don't know. So she wasn't telling tom about any of this shit. It wasn't until the pulse toll digger went missing That tom came and said like you're not going to believe what just happened and she said this shit's been happening to me too But then it's the wolf is together a little bit brought them together what they said, right? The first thing that happened was that wolf shit. Yeah, and whether or not like a lot of the details were more Obviously far more grandiose and hunt for the skinwalker But if if just the bear facts would seem to be true is that this giant fucking creature showed up

Docile enough to pet They petted it and then it attacked their animals and then disappeared into they shot it a couple of times And then it just fucking disappeared. So they were like tom was very much like i'm not caught into any of this alien skinwalker mojo bimbo Because he's trying to make money off his cattle So they were pushing this conversation for a long time Well the night that the rv incident happened this industry said like ellen was at home Totally alone tom was out of town the kids were at a friend's house

So ellen called up tom and told him get home immediately. There's someone on our land So tom drove all night and arrived back at home the next morning The object was long gone by the time tom got there But when they went out to the spot where it had been they found gigantic footprints about 18 inches long Smooth with a rounded heel unlike anything they'd ever seen that's cool So no matter what this dude did drive all night long to get there. Yeah, so people like it's not real Well, it's real enough. It's real enough for him to come home. Yeah, you see right? There's no tracks of the object Yeah, there's it's a very interesting if you are already with us and you already

Are kind of believe in phenomenon believe in these types of these witness accounts, right? It's like this concept of that it leaves just the tiniest little trace of like yep. It was real Well, good luck explaining it to anybody like you didn't get there's no tire tracks There's no anything else. So everything else is horseshit. We wanted you to just know just enough That right. Yeah, we're here and we're watching your wife. Oh my goodness. Please don't do that. I don't even watch my wife You know after you've been married for as long as as we have we just laugh about stuff like that Is some would say oh, you're not being very nice and then I say is this gonna be a the monologue you do to the mannequins? Alone in your one bedroom apartment when you're 75 years old

Oh, I don't even look at my wife Let me like yeah, it'll be like the movie maniac, but I don't kill anyone. It's actually worse. I just tell horrible jokes Now you might say it's crazy that the Gormans were seeing all this when the couple that preceded them the Myers Had according to their brother Garth never seen anything But there is eyewitness testimony that says the craft was seen at the next ranch over at the very least A mr. Gonzales who owned said ranch said that he'd seen a sombrero UFO flying over his home Your classic dome on a disc. I love it while the Myers owned skin walker ranch Can we call it a sombrero UFO from now on it's so much more fun and festive. Yes, that's that's the that's the technical term

That's the technical term. I love it. It's weird. It's more. It's Mexican hat. Yes They always say Mexican hat for some reason instead of sombrero. Oh, yeah, that is true. That is true. They do always say Mexican hat Yeah, that's a sombrero UFO is a lot more fun. Oh, yeah, absolutely because it makes me feel like, you know They came to this world offering a fiesta. That sounds fun. Yeah, just bud light lime shooting out of sight of it You remember kissle? You remember your favorite trick? No, I never actually had it before And by the way, we know brook was the one drinking it and you put my you put my face on her which is disgusting And you're like Haunting me for a long time now

It's interesting also in the within the mufon manual it says to never use actual UFO jargon at witnesses never say flap never say like any this any sort of slingical Like don't talk about the the way things appear or any kind of stuff because it distance yourself from the main public What is the flap? A flap is when a lot of UFO sightings happen all at once. Covered this last week. That's called a flap. Okay Yeah, it's called a a lot of people say flap. Oh interesting. Okay. Well on another occasion Mr. Gonzalez and his family saw a silvery disc fly directly in the skimwalker ridge But not only was there no crash but there was no sound at all

It was as if the craft had just been absorbed into the rock and again This was while the mires were there. This was before the gormons got there. Oh Now some people in the area posit that over the years the mires did indeed experience all of the phenomena Or at least some of the phenomena that the gormons endured But the mires may have learned to just live with it hence the dead bolts Yeah, that's a good way to do it. I think I would just live with it Well, it's even possible that the mires had made a sort of peace with the phenomena or even Learned to enjoy it

For example on one occasion Tom and Ellen were faced with a silver colored disc about 30 feet in diameter Hovering over skimwalker ridge, but that time instead of fear. They said that they both felt an unnatural elation Oh, cool. In fact gorman told dr. Salisbury that when the phenomena wasn't terrifying It was deeply moving on a spiritual level. So some of this shit sounds like the it literally makes you trip balls Yes, sounds like they're out in the field because imagine seeing something again I mean like you're a cattle man, right? You don't you don't cotton to none of this bullshit You don't read the fancy-dancy city saucer man books, right? You're just out in a field seeing this disc and they they're they talk about all time

So they they have some communication and you're sitting watching this stuff Just like finger in your rifle being like I wish I could destroy it if it wasn't so goddamn beautiful And another one. I mean, it's like Marcus with load of groceries now. We have fingering the rifle Can we just come on? So is you know, it seems like the it gives what you give it back. So if you're not scared Uh, this seems like the Myers did it, right? Yeah, they might I mean might have we have no idea. Yeah, we don't know Yeah, no because garth could still be inside chopping on cigar being like get away from me Edna But Edna could be outside with a bunch of floating lights going like

And that's what I was telling Henry is that like it would make a fantastic movie of the Myers moving to the ranch and then making Friends with the aliens or whatever it is out there cocoon. Yeah cocoon Like batteries are included. Yeah, that's right. I freaking hate that I already bought the the doll and now I have to go buy batteries Now you're complaining about battery the the concept of battery batteries should always be included None of this is even real anymore. Kissel. That is a complaint from 20 years of yeah When my mom bought me a hovercraft that I could only use in the uh washing machine in the washing room Washroom, what do you call that laundry room? Yeah, because it didn't have carpet

But it had batteries. Well, what a poor child you were One of the things about the Myers is that it is possible that they formed an actual positive relationship with whatever it is It's out there But they decided to just not tell anyone for fear sounded like lunatics because you got to remember the Myers moved to this land in 1933 oh by the time the big UFO flap came to Utah in the late 60s The Myers had been living on this land for over 30 years If there was indeed something there and the Myers were privy to it They'd most likely made peace with it decades before and what's more

They probably didn't even have the language or the cultural knowledge to describe what they were seeing I mean how tom gorman barely had the knowledge to describe what he was seeing right no He just he grew a vocabulary. Yeah, because he kept seeing as much of this shit And he's just like Yeah, there's the orange orbs and there's blue orbs And then you got the sombrero hats and you got what apparently are but we're gonna get into Portals to another dimension like he had to figure this shit out Wow by peace and that took a lot of brain power from a man

It seems to be most of his time has spent organizing his ranch and making cattle fuck Well, that is yeah, that is a strange part of the job. Oh when you're a cattle rancher official insemination Yeah, when you're a cattle rancher I mean your two job most of your day is spent looking for cattle and fixing fence looking for cattle and fixing fence That's it. That's most of the job is just those two things over and over again. Let's go out. Let's go check the cattle Let's go look for the cow. Where's the cow? I don't know get on a horse. Let's go find the cow. Oh, look There's some fence. It's fucked up. Oh now we got to go fence this fix. So now we got to fix this fence all fucking day long That begs the question. Why'd you leave?

I mean that just seems like a dream come true looking for cattle. I found the cattle right here. It's inside this noose Let's take this. No, it's weird. But this is where what we have over the we have an advantage over any other UFO Podcasts that could possibly cover this story is that you actually know cattle people more. Yeah, that's big. Yeah, I love this Yeah, that's what I did for a game. Yeah, exactly. No, we we do have somewhat of an edge I guess but it's just mostly the edge of knowing how fucking tedious this job actually is Well, you weren't like the Bobby Bonilla the cattle world either, right? Yeah, that's for sure. Oh, no, I was not the Bobby Bonilla. No, I came to New York City for a reason Yeah, well, I didn't want you there, but that's okay. Not to harp on a too much red dead redemption

There's a whole friggin hour where all you do is do the fences. Have you gotten to that part yet? No, of course No, you're gonna hate it. Why would I want to do that? Why would I want to do it for a fucking? Ugh, it doesn't matter the worst part of the job because you a good hard work. It's a good day's pay. That's right. That's right Well for an example of the weird shit that Tom Gorman saw the weirdest shit Take the orange structures This shit, man Now strangely enough the most common phenomenon that the Gorman family witnessed was also the most spectacular Over the two years they spent on the ranch both Tom and his family

Saw a gigantic orange mass floating in the sky Dozens of times now does this not sound like the when we talked about last episode with the giant haystacks on fire That they saw in the sky, which is essentially you go and see so while they just thought these were floating orbs They thought these were just lights. Yeah, they said that the object changed shapes Sometimes it appeared to be flattened and elongated other times It looked like a large orange setting sun looked almost perfectly round Huh, but in the middle of it was what Tom described as quote Another sky. Well, I thought you were gonna say nipple

But if you look at the think about this shit, all right, like allow the solaris soundtrack to enter your mind You're just sitting in a field again looking for fields and you look up and you just see this boiling Thing in the sky. It looks like boiling water and it slowly spreads open It's Gapes it gapes. Oh, thank you And you see Another set of clouds in a blue sky inside of it. That's kind of the pussy. It's not a pussy. I don't It's not a pussy at all. It's a butthole

All right, very good Again, is that your official term when you are on the street when you're off the scene? They're gonna call move on and be like your investigator was extremely crude extremely crap He continually said I saw a flying vagina and I told him it was not And I tell you what I don't play I don't play with these rules yours. All right But that's my thinking outside of the box. It makes me the best there is I didn't like the cigarette there needs to be a great movie about a haggard move on investigator. Oh, yeah must happen Well, Tom said that he could use binoculars to peer into the center of this object at night

And sometimes he could see a distinctly blue sky hanging there as if there was a window into another world Where it was daytime instead of night. So it was an evening when he saw all the It was even yeah It was evening and he could look in the center and see a blue sky with clouds on the other side He also tried staring at the object using the night vision scope on his rifle and once he said he didn't see a window But rather a kind of multi-layered portal that seemed to have depth And inside the seemingly impossible structure. He saw a triangular black object growing in size as if it was flying towards him Finally the object passed through and disappeared into the night creepy. Yeah, dude

So the biggest question here Is why didn't anyone else see a gigantic orange structure floating in the sky if it appeared dozens of times? Especially since there was a public road only a mile away from the Gorman homestead. Good question Marcus Well, Tom said that the structure changed appearance depending on the angle He discovered this one day when the object appeared as Tom was driving off his property He noticed that the further he drove the less visible the object became and when he got off his property It looked like nothing more suspicious than an orange cloud You're literally driving away from the mouth of the portal and it exists on a horizontal plane

That seems to be facing the ranch and so if you go around either sides of it You don't see the sides of it. You don't see it literally disappears from view. That's crazy Like a two-dimensional object like a piece of paper But when Tom turned around and drove back towards the house the object became visible again And he got all the way home before he realized that the only vantage point where the whole thing was visible Was his own home. His house was fucking watching interdimensional television against their choice They're sitting here watching they are forced to do this. Well, I just still feel like this He doesn't want to do this. No, he doesn't want to be dealing with this

And but now you're getting drawn into the story because it's becoming very distracting I would have gotten a ladder climbed up there. See if I can't dive in well The only thing that really bothers me about the orange structures is that if they were so big and they appeared so often Why were they never able to get like video or at least pictures of it? This is the 60s here. No, this is the 90s This is the 90s You know, I really don't know because they're part of it is like this is obviously always where you can Put the big lump of skepticism in this has been like well, why didn't they document any of this shit and partially it could just be Number one

Can it be captured on film because there's many people it's a good we're gonna In the next episode we're gonna talk about how skittish this this shit is With facing one of the most invasive Intense paranormal research projects that has ever existed, right? They maybe that's what it is. Maybe he tried to it and it would dissolve Or maybe he wasn't even thinking about it. Maybe he didn't want to take pictures of it Maybe he's fucking locked in fucking staring at this thing like I was at the Elton John concert And I didn't get any pictures right because I was enjoying rocket man

Oh, interesting. Well, I do know that there was one time where he said that he tried to videotape one of the lights Uh, and he tried and he said that he had to make a huge effort to even get what tiny bit of footage that he got And even then it was just kind of lights Well, that's that's the problem is that it's it's all and this is you know 90s equipment I mean even now if you try to take I mean try taking pictures of stars at night with your phone Which is you know phones now or some of the most powerful cameras ever created Try or at least you know for a consumer purpose, you know, try taking pictures of stars at night Try taking pictures something the distance. I still it's not going to show up. I always say, uh, my phone is like the Hubble

You got a little Hubble in your pocket, but it's interesting though when he did take that footage It actually was Elton John Isn't that bizarre he actually was like that's nuts But I also wonder if there's a psychological human side to this too is If you take a picture of it if you manage to capture it It then becomes real Right now you are not because up until this point you still kind of have the uh psychological escape hatch of I'm crazy. I'm just seeing shit like this is just or or maybe again

This is this is if you believe Tom Gorman. Yeah If you believe what he's saying then you would you would start to talk about this and because more so me but for my From my angle it's being like but also why would he make it up? Because all it has done is since is it ruined his cattle business and it made him have to sell his fucking ranch Okay, yeah, and there were also tests done to see whether there were any hallucinogenic plants on the property whether the Water uh had some sort of hallucinogenic properties uh contained therein and nothing showed up nothing like that nothing at all No, maybe you realize maybe a part of this you realize that you're experiencing a profound

Moment in communication to another intelligence and it kind of uh absorbs you and maybe that's what it is too I mean, I just want it. Yeah, just want it Marcus. Well. Yeah, that's a good one. They won't fucking give it to me No, they never will no they never will the men won't give it to me Never will never will want it too bad. He wants it too bad Well, and this is going to be a question that we'll really explore on the next episode is uh Is the wanting of it does that ruin it? Regardless while all these events were certainly disturbing to the family None of them were particularly dangerous outside of the first incident with the wolf that we described at the end of the last episode

But all that changed when the phenomena turned its attention to tom gorman's prized cattle A cattle mutilation is by no means special to skim walker ranch when it comes to this area of the country Nor is it limited to just cattle cattle are just the common targets happens to horses goats Sheep dogs anything any kind of animal around great Marcus great What was the name of that one cartoon cow? That was in the Elsa Elsie. Well, she was always getting picked on and stuff. Remember that. Oh, she was in the kids books No idea. I don't know It animated cows pictures of cows she used to eat all the grass

Are these just the books that are left out in the lobby of your psychologist? No, I gotta call him actually A calm afternoon Like it's all those books I could get on the google and don't let rage control your life says beanie the wonder dog, you know Well during the 70s the scourge of mutilations had become such a problem in nearby, Colorado That a senator named floyd k. Haskell got involved He contacted the fbi to investigate some 130 mutilations reported by constituents in his home state

And by the time the fbi report was released in 1979 They found that there had been some 8 000 mutilations in colorado alone during the decade And that was just what was reported most ranchers don't have the time nor the inclination to follow report every time an animal is killed And even if they do there's not much the authorities can accomplish. They just come out and go Yep, look at it and then they leave. Yep. Yeah, it's like what can you do? You're just seeing you're documenting it But you know cattle mutilations are very interesting. If some of the more actual physical Evidence, we have all of ufo phenomena and nobody has ever been arrested for cattle mutilation Right, it's that there's never been and sort of like investigation done when we're like, okay

We can see that it's old joe down the way and go arrest joe down the way and put him in prison That's never happened. Don't get me wrong one of my favorite restaurants in atlanta has a horse on display Like it was done up by vincent and off here from the cell That it's got like a slice is it's like the the the bodies exhibit, but it's supposed to look delicious And you watch it. I love it, but I understand that that's not everybody's cup of tea But you imagine man, you're in prison there and everyone's like other murderers Maybe thieves maybe and then you're in there for for cutting the eyeballs out of a cow I mean that's what does that I tell you what you'd be surprised to market for horse assholes on the internet

Is that garner you much respect or very little respect? I don't quite know prison rules I would say very little you think so. I'd say indifference. I would say gross indifference That's good. That's showing up being like being like, yeah, I feel the duffel bag full of incised horse assholes I'm like great. Yeah, I murdered my family. So let's talk later. Yeah Okay Well, some of the people who did report their mutilations Some of those people made headlines as was the case with snippy the horse Unfortunately, no

Snippy the horse snippy whose real name was lady. They just asked it They just erroneously reported it as snippy in the original press reports I don't know what how they got snippy and lady confused But yeah, I said it was snippy horse's name real name was lady. They just made it up They just made it up. That's false information coming from the news media Well, lady was found dead in 1967 skinned and defleshed from the neck up There was no blood at the scene and there was a strong medicinal smell in the air And it looked to the owners as if the cuts had been done deliberately

Fuck yeah, dude. What was the name of the band that had the goat's head that you saw? Oh, retain Yeah, maybe it was those guys could be Yeah, doing all this stuff possible, but without even traveling to the scene local sheriff ben phillips Waved it all off by saying animal pride just got struck by lightning. Why didn't you do that again? Whatever it was had completely removed the skin and flesh From just at the head and the neck. I never heard of that. I never lighten in doing that before Yeah, turn in a horse and a ghost writer Well, the sheriff said this because there were no tracks whatsoever found anywhere around snippy the horse

The only evidence they found that anything had been there was several small holes punched in the ground within a 100 foot radius And they also found two flattened bushes. Otherwise nothing I can tell you you can find one flattened bush Inside of my pants Really, how long have you been doing the show Marcus? How long? 10 years? 9 years 9 look at that and then and then henry just said because you said flattened bushes And then henry said, huh, I know where you can find a flattened bush

inside of my pants And then we get paid. We have a patreon. Thank you so much for giving to our patreon. Yeah, man I'm a professional comedian. I have an audition for ballers today. Wow ballers Wow with the rock. Yeah, I mean he won't be there I'm certain he won't be there on set as well. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's a three episode arc Who knows make sure you'll lead in with uh flatten bushes But no never say anything. Oh, you can find a flattened bush. It's in my pants and then just see how it works Well, this total lack of evidence is actually very common among mutilations

Because the events are usually marked by a complete lack of struggle on the part of the animal And the area is completely bereft of tracks human or otherwise. It's like they just up and died furthermore according to cattle mutilation investigator dr. George e on it scavengers completely avoid the carcasses of mutilated animals for days following their seemingly instantaneous death And the ewen to basin where skim walker ranch is located has been home to dozens of these incidents Most of them happen in the 70s. There were so many that carl whiteside who had headed the colorado inquiry Tried folding it into his mutilation investigation Now whiteside wasn't too popular around the basin as many ranchers remembered carl as

unbelievably rude and obnoxious get out of here Well, you know what it is too is they you forget how personally people hold these cattle And so they come in here as this kind of they're trying to squash this case But then then people are looking at it. It's like their kids are getting Fucking cored. I would not say that. All right. I don't know. I don't fucking know it from new york city Yeah, cattlemen do not have emotional attachments to their cows in any way whatsoever. I feel like you're you discovered your father Every once in a while it goes out there. Oh, yeah looks at the cows He's got his favorite one and gives them a little kiss. I mean like you you're better than my son

Oh He would never say that to marcus now only when the marcus was younger Before I became successful. Yes. Uh, by the way, I do have a mental update I was able to get on the google there. I say I used bing. I'm protesting google. Uh-huh ferdinand Ferdinand the cow. That's the name of the cow. So you haven't been paying attention for the last 10 minutes You know, I'm just sick of you criticizing me for lack of research Um, when I did my research, I did my due diligence and now I still can't catch a break That's ridiculous. Henry ferdinand

Well, it may not come as a surprise that carl white side Dismissed all the cases is just the product of overeager predators And there was a whole and there was another investigation that was done even wider and the guy that they hired to do it He was just some g-man. He didn't have any uh background in forensics or anything like that He just went looked out looked at these animals like yep That's predators and then that's been taken as fact for years I see it was a case closed type of situation But the guy who did the actual study had no idea what he was actually doing. Okay

But what happened to tom gorman's cattle? Can by no means be explained by something as simple as a cow and it all began with a mysterious disappearance Snow was falling on the ranch one day while tom was looking for a heifer that had broken off from the herd The snow had made it easy for tom to follow the animals tracks But as he was following those tracks They indicated that the heifer had gone from a walk to a full-on sprint as if something was chasing it But the thing was there were no other tracks beside or behind the heifers to indicate that a predator had given chase And what he had said, you know, I read in the book and tell me if this true mark is that a natural inclination for a heifer

Is to go and seek Shelter, right? It wouldn't necessarily run into a snowstorm Is that a cattle's normal thing would be to try to find a tree or find some place where it could hide So that doesn't get as much snow on it. Yeah. Yeah. Ferdinand actually used to eat roses Which is not real. It wasn't a real animal. Well, but if you think about it, I'm sorry I need to bust this for you That's fine. Don't be a skeptic cows can also be extremely erratic creatures that do shit for no reason whatsoever No, I know. Yeah, that that is that is also true But yeah, naturally they will try to go they will try to go somewhere. But yeah, cows do they can't act erratically

Pretty fast and can hurt you Quite badly. I do not mess with them. Oh, yeah, my dad broke his nose a couple weeks ago a couple of weeks ago Yeah, shattered the fucking Dad stop going near the cows. He's a cattle man forever And I think you're just born one of these people because mark is You can't be out in the cattle ranch get your face busted in by these cattle. You got a sensitive brain I like to keep your brain active. I lasted about three months until I was like, I got enough of a tan I gotta go to New York. My father will not even get

lobster in this in in the shell He is just like I am retired. I am 66 years young and I'm not doing anything manually whatsoever No manual labor ever again Well, Tom kept following the tracks until finally he came to a clearing And then the tracks just stopped There was no cow to be seen. It was like the animal just seized to exist on the spot The only somewhat rational explanation was that a helicopter had chased the animal Somehow strapped it into a harness without any struggle whatsoever and lifted a 1000 pound animal off the ground

All without Tom hearing or seeing anything and all in the middle of a snowstorm That's what happens when you let deputy Dewey from scream run your police department. They're just like, let's go get a cow today Why who knows? That was only the first of many Many expensive animals that Tom would lose But what happened to the rest of them was far more vicious if not just as mysterious The first mutilated cow Tom found though only had one wound A hole had been drilled in the cow's left eyeball

But the creature was otherwise untouched and there were no footprints or tire tracks nearby The only thing present was a faint chemical like odor The cause of death on the next animal though would be painfully obvious In April of 1995 Tom and Tad were on horses tracking cattle in the middle of a rainstorm God, this must be so aggravating just to fucking do to begin with. Yes, their lives are making me feel stressed out I don't even have to do anything. I sit. Oh, no, I never had to do it in a rainstorm or anything like that But it's yeah, it's it's a fucking awful life. It was rated as one of the worst jobs in America All I think about is city slickers

Yeah, it's but it's been romanticized so much. It's not it's fucking awful work. It's so awful. I heard it was fun So they were chasing a wayward calf when Tad noticed a heifer stuck in the canal trying to get out So he made a mental note come back for it and after him and his father caught the calf Tad returned to the struggling heifer, but instead of the healthy animal. He'd seen not 20 minutes before He found a carcass with a six inch wide hole Chored out of its rectum. Oh, hey there Ferdinand. You just got gapped. Whoa. I don't remember reading that What was even more disturbing was that even though it was raining there should have been blood running down the street I mean, there's a lot of blood in 20 minutes, you know, like even if it happened the second that Tad left

There still should have been some blood But there was none nor was there any blood around what proved to be an almost surgical wound It was like a circular saw attached to a suckin device had removed the cow's anus in one big chunk Damn, damn, damn What are the aliens looking for? No, man, because you get all those anuses you get a nice like carrots and some onions you get them going a little bit get them kind of tender going on there You know, you get some chicken broth and you throw those anuses in there. You got some really nice poo poo soup I guess so poo poo soup indeed. Maybe the aliens are trying to make hot dogs of their own or something

No, it is true that a scavenger will go for the butt first when it's eating an animal I'll scavenger to do it. They go straight for the butthole. Really? They call me hyena then We don't need to hear that And it's true that blood coagulates in the body after the death Which means there won't be as much of a bloody mess when a scavenger digs in But had it only been gone 20 minutes nowhere near long enough for the blood to coagulate and for a scavenger to find and completely munch out the anus in a perfect six inch circle It's cut to a random just a random coyote. Just no one knows

Coyote fucking architect. It's disgusting. Yeah. Thank god. I brought my compass Finally, I can get a perfect circle cut out of this here. The other coyote is gonna be so impressed So difficult to do without a tool It's disgusting and this incident is consistent with other cattle mutilations in which the rectum has been removed Although no autopsy was done on Gorman's cow. Autopsies have been done on others Such as the case of mr. Manuel Gomez of dual say new mexico In that case not only was the rectum missing, but the sexual organs were gone as well. Uh-oh That's like he's hitting that rectum so hard

Yeah, furthermore they found that when they opened up the animal the liver and heart were white and mushy with the texture In consistency of peanut butter. Do we know where louis anderson was during this time? Now although it was just the rectum that was removed in the second mutilation of the gorman's cattle The third saw both the rectum and the reproductive How many times do we have to say rectum here a lot? It's cattle mutilation. Everything revolves around rectums. All right I'll tell you where you find a flattened bush. I know where to find it Well, the third saw both the rectum and reproductive organs completely scooped from the animal's body The night before it happened tom had seen bright yellow lights flying silently around the area where his cattle were being kept

He rode out the next morning to check on him and found the aforementioned mutilated cow But this one had other wounds just beside the scoop One of the ears had been surgically removed and right next to the shoulder Was a pool of brownish liquid settling on the animal's hide about two inches in diameter The substance seemed to be quickly evaporating. So tom just dabbed his finger into the small pool and said it felt cold God damn a one sauce. Oh He's supposed to cook him before you put him and slather him in beautiful a one sauce Oh, yeah, can you marry? God damn you raley and zeppelins

I do wonder if you started marinating cows when they're alive. Now if you just put it on the hide It's not gonna. No, you can't do anything up. Yeah, yeah It's either kobe beef. It's a kobe beef or wagyu beef where you massage the animal with sake. Yeah, I guess that seeps in but Yeah, you don't just marry me yet. Okay And then tom smelled the substance and he said that it had a chemical smell that he didn't recognize I mean try getting a sample of this stuff But after going back to the house to get a container and come back the substance was gone

And when tom checked the wound in the rectum, he found that it was again six inches wide But this one also extended 18 inches into the body cavity Honestly, man, I'm having every guy in town drop trial and I need to make sure that this is a ufo and not just some random Purve, right? It's I find this very interesting because he said at night This is how he knew it was gonna happen He started expecting cattle mutilations because literally what would be described as zeppelins with spotlights hanging out of the bottom of them He would see at night like he would sit there and go like Dammit watching these these crafts

Go over his cattle and just shoot light down by that point They just knew we don't go outside at night anymore. So we're not going to deal with this shit until the morning Yeah, cancel the night walks for sure Now, although the gormans have been seeing some pretty weird shit The phenomena had been happening mostly around them rather than happening to them That all changed in the fall of 96 As tom and ellen were sitting on their porch one evening trying to enjoy themselves I can't imagine

They know you fucking imagine like literally just like tom just like picking out of jeans and ellen being like So what what do you have for lunch today? I mean like I had soup I had soup Yeah, so that's good. Oh cows are starting to scream again. Yeah Back like I can't hear it ellen. Back like I don't see it Nothing sadder than a couple trying to enjoy themselves. Yeah, and they noticed that the cattle and horses were getting restless

And tom looked in the direction and soon saw what was making them upset A single blue orb was flying in the tree line next to the pins Tom watched as the orb slowly flew around the horse's heads But as the orb got closer the horses seemed calmer downgrading their distress Too annoyance like the orb was just nothing more than a swarm of flies But suddenly with great speed the orb left the horses flew towards the gormans and stopped 20 feet in front of them And just sat there hanging in the air Now that they got a good look at it

They said that it was a clear object with a hard shell bigger than a baseball But smaller than a basketball The blue color of the object seemed to be coming from the substance inside Which tom said looked to be a liquid That was just starting to boil and the object made a faint crackling sound Not unlike static electricity, which was the first time they'd ever heard an object make any noise Get away from me and my wife. You phantasm stunt double Great movie tall man and tom said that as they sat there watching it both he and his wife felt the deepest most

Visceral fear they had ever known so deep that tom said he felt like he was going to have a seizure So not knowing what else to do ellen picked up the flashlight that was sitting next door and just shined it in the direction of the orb And the orb moved to avoid it. It then darted off back to the tree line and vanished into the distance This shit's so fucked. So this really does creep me out because this this is a part of uh alien abduction scenarios We hear a lot right when people say that they're confronted by an alien a lot of times or an entity whatever the fuck you want to call it I've heard the the reading about like the idea is that your back arches you literally become A uh primeval version yourself it goes into your lizard brain where your body has a fear reaction where your fucking hair stands up But you literally become like a fucking scared monkey like you are almost paralyzed with feet

Mmm, I would have gone the fainting goat route. You could just fall over fall over absolutely Well two hours later The orb came back and started hovering outside the windows of their house And as the object moved along the side of the house the lights inside dimmed in response to its presence then brightened again as it moved away And finally it took off apparently satisfied with whatever the hell it wanted to know I mean all it did was just like I scared the shit out of them

You could see him just they're just sitting the fuck in their love seat. They're just No one told you that life has beat his way He's like trying to watch friends as this orb is like getting closer and closer to the windows Just ignore it. We will enjoy the antics of Phoebe and Chandler. Absolutely. Oh my god over the Rachel Oh, yeah, I got there Yeah Now according to hunt for the skinwalker the gormans blue orb might be completely unique in the annals of UFO and paranormal research And furthermore gorman later proved at least to himself that these lights had a sort of intelligence

One day tom was gathering hay when he saw a bright light that looked as if it was watching him So tom fed up with this shit. Yeah threw down his pitchfork and took off running in the lights direction Maybe the orb just liked to see a big buff old Working on the hay. I mean that's you have to be muscular to do it. You do just tom out there just lifting He's I mean, he's got a gut, but he's slurping on that died coke and all the orbs are just watching him Sweaty glistening in the sun. Oh, yeah, dude. You should have seen me when I first moved to new york I was like 15 pounds heavier than I went am now full of muscle tan Oh, yeah, I guess I should have seen you look at it stand up. Yeah. Oh, Henry. I wish we'd have seen marcus

You're buffing tan Had that to get all I just came off a tractor about to oh, I know Yeah And you got that fucking bonjo v fucking cowboy hat on Nice. Yes, indeed. So after tom started running towards the object the object darted out of sight behind the ridge So tom got the idea to hide to see if the object would come back So he dove into a pile of hay and growled inside I would pay good money to watch this man do that his little butt in the air. He's just like

See if I but now I'm here with my farm camouflage Then he just waited In a few minutes later the light came back from behind the ridge and flew low back and forth over the field Like it was looking for tom So tom stood up and started shouting and taunting the lights real mother fucker You come get for your big city light You come get a taste of pure bread middle america man

I'm full of mormon rage. I'm full of mormon rage Yeah, buff. Yeah flex for me, man. I like you when they get angry. I'm a horny orb Fly from your grave Fly from your grave In response the object just blinked on and off a few times and then flew away Now this whole incident is important for a couple of reasons one It suggested that whatever these lights were had an intelligence behind them either the lights themselves were in control Or someone was controlling them from afar

The other thing it suggested was that this phenomenon was not Omnipotent because it didn't know that tom was hidden in the hay Oh Like it's the fucking three stooches. Yeah, so it's like the hay seems to be walking with feet and has hands in a head That's a strange haystack. It's it's interesting because I I wonder because it's it's like there's something going on here For a while tom did think it was the government Like he blamed the government when he was first seeing the snub nose fake planes in the sky He thought it would look like technology that we didn't know about yet

But it was finally when he started seeing the orbs that it was like Oh, maybe something more fucked up is happening And the other thing is that tom thought after this incident. He was like, well, it's not omnipotent Maybe it was just fucking with him. Yeah, he can use some trickery here. Yeah, it could be that the orb wanted him to think Oh, let him think we're not omnipotent. So we're gonna pretend like we're looking for him. Yeah, he's gonna dress up like a lady I don't know why I just feel like if you really want to do something trickster style dress up like a lady Yeah, I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put a wig on and one of my wife's best dresses I'm gonna get a bottle of beautiful red. I like a Chianti. Yeah, especially if you can get something kind of nice red

Meat going on there and I'm gonna set up a table with an italian Restaurant tablecloth on top bit with a vase leave an empty chair With an empty dish next to it and see if it joins me for dinner. Absolutely. I bet you're roger stone is gonna start doing that I'm rogetta stone Because you can't stop talking Wearing a wig and stuff Well, tom said that he had the feeling that this orb was sincerely looking for him So he came to the conclusion this thing or these things whatever they are not omnipotent

Okay, but about a year after that particular incident tom found that there was far more than just lights haunting his land So by the summer of 1996 even before the story came out in the papers word was circulating that weird things were happening on tom's ranch Tom hoped that nothing would come of it But his fear that the story would attract weirdos was confirmed when a large blonde haired stranger Showed up at the entrance gate to his homestead Tom and tad met the stranger at the gates and the stranger told them that he'd heard quote on the grapevine That this place was special and he was wondering if it would be all right if he went out for a meditation session on tom's land Listen, I'm seeing your you're very dirty very used workman's overalls on and I know you're a busy man

But I got a mission I gotta do some 20 minutes of meditation on your land because if not I'm gonna start getting the spins And have you ever seen a grown man spin with his fists fully extended? Tom figured why the hell not you know like maybe we'll get a laugh out of this All he's like fuck it maybe we'll get a laugh because tad was there too They kind of looked at each other when this guy asked like can I meditate on your land? They just kind of looked at each other smiled a little bit like all right. Yeah, fucking get in the truck. Let's go

So they took him out to uh Wherever the guy wanted to go and they made it about a mile when the stranger said that's the perfect spot right here This is where I'm most at peace All right, so the stranger got out in front of the grove of trees He sat down on the ground spread his arms out and began to meditate now when he says meditate Does that mean we just punch him in the face a bunch or? Tom and I mean they could hardly keep a straight face this whole time and they figured All right, just give him a couple minutes and then we'll tell him to get like it's fine whatever

But then Coming from the grove of trees They heard something It sounded sort of like a cowbells like a chime, but none of tom's animals were cowbells Then they heard it again But nearer this time and the stranger didn't seem to notice at all Then tom noticed something moving between the trees something big Suddenly that something broke from the tree line

It was broad daylight, but the creature was barely visible as if it was hidden in the heat distortion of the day It looked like fucking the predator. Yeah Cool But what they could make out was that this entity was moving towards the meditating stranger at incredible speed Who who who who who mule this fucking this guy from Los Angeles is just in the field just like please let pilot season work out And the energy of the Sherman ranch, please fill me and let me book a 30 minute sitcom about a mailman And this guy this this creature is hoofing it towards him the entire time hoofing it towards him And tom was about to yell a warning, but just as he opened his mouth the shimmering creature stopped inches from the stranger

And let out an unearthly roar that sent the stranger backwards and screaming Then within seconds the creature vanished right back into the trees from where from whence it came And tom and tad ran out to help this poor hippie who was still just on the ground screaming And when they got to him the dude, I mean they said this guy was big big dude He leapt up into tom's arms and started weeping and wouldn't let tom go Huge man crying is hard to deal with yeah, especially if you're not used to it like you're tom You're not allowing yourself to feel a lot of emotion Oh, man, that was fucked up man

You just grabbing at his fucking overalls, they're wrestling back and forth When you overwhelm someone who is not emotional When you overwhelm someone who is not emotional with emotion, they're just like you have about 10 seconds. They're just confused Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Because tom like tom put up with it for like a couple of minutes He tried getting loose and the stranger just refused to let go so tom finally said quote If you do not let go, I am going to hit you And that's the nicest response you can give from a cattleman

Yeah, and the stranger said all right, I'll let you go You're right dude, you're right dude The predator was out there man, you saw that shit man Yeah, he said only under the condition that tom taken back to the car immediately because this land was cursed Oh, but this was something that tom had known for a long time A couple of months before he'd experienced something far worse than the scream of a cryptid And this is a sad story Yeah, this is the part that's just like whoa, this is very intense

In April of 1996 the blue orb had made a move Tom was again sitting on his front porch trying to relax Trying to relax Yeah, it's happening on Wednesday We're gonna have a normal Wednesday today We're gonna have a normal Wednesday no matter what the fuck No stress at all And he's out there with his three dogs

He had like three little blue healers, cattle dogs, great little dogs Oh, yeah, yeah But then he noticed one of the orange structures appearing in the distance And by this time these things had become pretty routine, so tom decided I'm just gonna ignore it I don't even see it Jokes on you, I don't see you, I don't see you, I'm relaxed But suddenly he saw another object amongst the orange

The blue orb that had terrorized him and his wife had returned The dog started growling, so without really thinking, tom let him loose So what he said up until then was that He actually would purposely save the blue orbs from his dogs He's like, these were working dogs They could scare the shit out of cattle and they could attack So finally he's like, alright, yeah, you fucking go get them, go get them boys So the dogs chased the object down and they started leaping up in the air

They were trying to bring it down to their level But the orbs seemed to be deliberately teasing them Kind of going down, coming back up, going down, coming back up Then the orbs started moving away, leading the dogs to some tree cover out of tom's sight The dogs followed, and soon to tom's horror, the barking he heard turned to three sharp yelps of pain Then silence I don't like this blue orb one bit Tom waited for two hours outside the tree line for the dogs to come back

Because there was no way in hell he was going to go into that tree cover at night So the next morning he woke up early to see if he could figure out what happened But all he found in the trees was the smell of burnt flesh and three brown circles of grass Each one marked by a black greasy mess The shit exploded the dogs Woah It was around this time that Tom decided he might need some help The Deseret News at Assault Lake City got wind of a story and published an article in June of 1996 that had a simple message from Tom

I want this to stop Yeah And if you read that original article, it's really interesting to see the tenor of it Because it really is These people are fucked up Crazy They did not want to talk about this shit But finally they're like well we just need somebody to come because they were fucking house poor

They had put all of their money into the ranch and they were fucked It's very difficult to move this kind of land And now it's like what the hell did we do We need somebody to come and figure this shit out It literally exploded my pets Wow it exploded my pets And it's not good It happened that a fantastically wealthy businessman with an interest in the paranormal named Robert Bigelow

Saw this message And figured that this case was perfect for his new venture The National Institute for Discovery Science Most commonly known as NIDS Follow the Bigelow boys And that's where we'll pick back up next time for the conclusion to our story Let's go back to the ranch part three

NIDS NIDS I'm very excited to go into the life of Let's call him Bobby Bigelow Bobby Bigelow He is a very interesting figure in ufology And we're going to learn a lot about him We're going to learn a lot about how

They invested quite a bit of money into researching Skinwalker Ranch Will then be known as one of the most Insanely Thorough investigations of a paranormal story in the history of time I love it man I can't recall a tale with such crazy stories So many things on one plot of land And really everyone like

Go read The Hunt for the Skinwalker It's a fantastic book It's well written It's well paced It's everything you want in a paranormal book It gives a lot of great background A lot of different ways And we're only telling a few of the stories here

Every single story And they didn't even put every single story in The Hunt for the Skinwalker But remember this and I do say this That's why I like it Paired with the Frank Salisbury book Because you could see the other side too The Hunt for the Skinwalker It's obviously

There are exaggerations Stuff that's going to build in kind of trumped up But the heart of the story is there And I just love George Knapp I just fucking love me some Knapp I just listen to him man old episodes There's some cool stuff And you have a Coast to Coast subscription

Listen to the Art Bell with George Knapp And Colm Kelleher When the book first came out and it's great Alright well be sure to tune in Next week Same Bat Time, same Bat Channel Remember that From our childhood

And you know George Knapp It must be said that he has some Not quite so I guess you would say Good connections To people like He's connected to Bob Lazar His job is to put butts in seats

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