Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 367: Ed Savitz / Joe Meek

Episode Date: June 1, 2019

On this Relaxed Fit episode, we talk about the Philly freak Ed Savitz, bizarre record producer Joe Meek, and MORE.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Man oh man back on the road again. Back on the road baby. Me and my boys. My two sweet sons and I just covered with semen. No. In each. No is that bad to wait to start? Oh yeah I mean you can start it however you want to. I'm not covered in naval juices.

No I definitely. Navy juices. Wiped. Thank you Henry. What's up everyone? Back on the road again. Back on the road again. What's up everyone? This is the relaxed fit. That's the kind of jeans I wear. Yeah.

Episode of last podcast on the left. We're in beautiful Vancouver. It's fine. It's great. It's fine. I definitely went and this is I mean in very typical Canadian fashion. I went to get our rental car because we're driving. Of course. This whole time we're going to drive down Seattle.

We're going to drive down to Portland. And the guy, the guy that was checking me out. Not hitting on me but giving me the car. Giving me the car. He was just giving you the car. I'm just trying to figure out what's the terminology. The guy who rented me the fucking car. Yeah.

The guy who walked around. He made me spin around. He did not make you spin around. I had him spin around. He said I got to check for dings. He first he said he's like, oh I got to check for dings. And he walked around the Explorer trying to check for dings. And he's like, nah I got to check.

Double check for dings. And then he went and made me. I went around and he was just like, oh there's a divot here. And then he put a finger right in my fucking ass. Oh yeah. Henry Zabrowski. We're with Marcus and I'm Ben of course. Probably already know that.

But I was getting checked out. I was getting molested by the man at Enterprise. I'm not. Again, I wasn't. I don't think that you were. No. I just have it on the blind. I have it on the mind.

It seems like you wanted to get molested by the man at Enterprise. I was waggling it. It seems like you were. I wasn't wearing a shirt. I have my little short shorts on. Is the marriage going south? No. What's happening?

Well, my wife and I make love. Well, we'll have to have Natalie in here for a point. God, our point. We really do. We really do. We really do. But he said, he's like, oh, so why do you got into it today? Oh, one year done getting your explorer there.

And I was like, oh, I don't know. I was going to walk around maybe do something touristy, walk around Gastown or something. He's like, oh, you're going to do a thing that boring people do. And I was like, what if I have a straight razor? What if I have a straight razor if I slash open your face? Yeah. I was trying to get a cab today and I was put on hold.

And then the whole message came back and said, you know, we all hate being on hold. Yeah. But it's better than hanging up and calling again. So just wait a couple of minutes. How do we all do it? Explain me. We all hate being on hold.

And it is better to just stay on hold and don't call again. I don't need to be told that. I know. I don't need to be told that like I'm some kind of fucking moron. He's a grown man. There's a reason the queen is on the currency here in Canada. It's a nanny state. But that's OK.

Sometimes you need to be reassured. If you're heavy full of methamphetamines. If you are like if your brain is completely messed up. My good reminder. My only queen. Don't call back. My only queen is RuPaul. That's true.

The only person I herald to. Honestly. And I will be her subject. And this is a little political. But get Harriet Tubman on the 20 Marcus. Yeah. RuPaul on the five. Oh, I do it.

I'm calling it. I'd spend those five. There's a story I wanted to bring up today in our relax fit episode. Can you feel just how relaxed this is? I think they can. Just how much room your clotted knees have. Just sitting around in your big old old Navy circus tent. Relax fit jeans.

That's me. It is nice. I love it. But so we had a listener recently send a letter to me. Yes. That was I thought it was interesting. Send a little email. And he was talking about how he has a neighbor that is a bit obese.

Right. Right. And his father would say to him they were like talking about stuff. And he would get these big pizza deliveries all the time. The neighbor would get all these pizza deliveries. Of course he's overweight. Yeah. I get the pizzas.

I get it. I see what you do. Oh, yeah. I know your lifestyle. And the father at some point said to his son, hey, just so you know, if you ever ask you to go over there, just if you ask you to take a shit in a pizza box, make sure you get a lot of money for it. Yeah.

And he made it like a boogeyman. And within there, like the father used it as a teaching lesson saying, like, don't trust strangers, because sometimes they'll ask you to take a shit in a pizza box. And he just thought that that was like an idiosyncratic thing that his father came up with. Honestly, I think that that, as far as parenting goes, that's a great father tip to stranger danger. It's an incredibly... No, that's not stranger danger at all.

He said if he asked you to take a shit in a pizza box, get money for it. Oh, get money for it. He didn't say tell me telecop. No, he said make money for it. Honestly. Yeah. Get money for it. Right.

That's what my father would do. Exploit the pervert. Yeah. That's what you do. You drain him. You drain his wallet, then you drain his balls. I mean, if everyone's on the up and up here, we got a bunch of adults, you know, when you want to dump in pizza boxes.

Of course, Kissel. Is that what we're talking about? Okay. So the teaching lesson... There's someone listening to right now taking a dump in a Domino's box, just be like, oh, I hope they don't make fun of me for doing this. This is my lifestyle. I love this show so much.

I'm just a dumper in pizza boxes. Meet me alone. This is what I like to do. I make them hot and long. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is like a new pizza hut pizza. But it turns out that was not just some random thing that the father was saying to him. It's that it's actually based upon a guy.

I have the unfortunate opportunity to have now in the center of my brain. So who's pulling the pizza box is a true story? Yes. It's based upon a man named Edward Savitz. Ed Savitz. He was an American businessman in the... Basically he was also a philanthropist. He was an actuary and he was eventually arrested for paying thousands, thousands of boys and

young men for engaging in anal and oral sex. Sure, I guess. That's normal. But they're not boys. They're not children. They're boys. There are 312 bags of boys' underwear that was found in a storage unit and he would often have boys come to his house and shit in pizza boxes and he would take those pizza boxes

and he'd put them back in the storage unit just like it's an old sweater. Honestly, honestly, I need... What's the name of that stupid reality show where they do the storage... Storage wars. Storage wars. Oh my God. I'll do 200, 250, 300. Okay, what's in these bags?

Oh, it seems to be a bunch of clothes. Let me just... These are boys' underwear. Honestly, but they would be like... And then when they're just tall... Because they do like 300 for the unit and then they tally up what they find in the unit. I wouldn't be surprised if they were like, this is $50,000 worth of boys' underwear. This is incredible.

And they just sell it to like... I don't even know what disgusting billionaire out there that wants it. Warren Buffet. Well, I don't want to diss on Warren Buffet. No, Warren Buffet does not have nearly as spicy enough of an interest as sniffing boys' underwear. That's the thing with the Buffet. He's got so much money. Yeah.

But he just... But that's how he keeps it. He doesn't spend it. He doesn't spend it on little boys' underwear. No, I understand that, but he also doesn't spend it on anything. As far as we know. That's true. But if you wanted to buy full-grown women's or man's underwear, I'd say more power to

him. He makes him a Japanese president. Absolutely. Why not? Have fun. So, long story short, because we don't really cover things truly in depth in any relaxed fit episode, but I started researching at Sabbath. This is a small poopoo.

Not a long poopoo story. It's just... Okay. There's just a couple of things involved here. Number one, there's a massive conspiracy theory that he might have been connected to Sandusky, which is... I don't think it's probably not that difficult, because they would hang out at the same... What's the term?

Like, fundraising parties. They were always there. Because that's what he would do, because you know when it's habits ran, obviously, he ran in a camp, essentially, quote-unquote camp, which is essentially a place for troubled youth to go and be rehabilitated, and so he would groom these kids, and basically he would pay them. He had an apartment on Rittenhouse Square for a period of time that became the center for all of his activity.

He was there almost... They say, believe as far back as 1975, he basically would offer kids money to come party, and it would start with, like what we saw with Dean Coral or John Wayne Gacy, where it would start with, you guys gotta come back, we're gonna play some grab-ass, there's gonna be skinny-dipping with girls. But it's with girls! But it just seems like it's all old dudes. Yep.

Okay. And young men. And people complained about the heavy metal types, which they called the little boys coming out of there. Like, just 14-year-olds with long, dark hair and fucking Pantera shirts on, that were basically huge, they'd come over, they'd all horse around, they'd get into the pool and skinny-dip, right? Where he'd play this game. I don't know, again, you're really loosely using the word horse-around.

Yeah, it was what? I mean, horse-around with our friends growing up, I'm pretty sure defecation in pizza boxes was never included in that. I'd say play grab-ass would be a better way to disturb the night. Sure, yeah, but a horse-around was also what happened, especially when the old man is there hung like a goddamn horse. I hope. And he would basically, they said that he would play this game where he'd get real close

to you in the pool, and he would do the thing like a horse's tail, where he'd like the penis just kind of touch the back of your legs, right? And he'd be like, oh, that's a, what a mistake I just made, isn't that funny? What a funny little mistake. And so, eventually, what you do then is you create like a shame circle, where then everybody's kind of like feeling kind of icky and weird about the fact that they're a bunch of 13-year-olds with other 13-year-old girls that he also made get naked, and they gave everybody weed and booze, but slowly but surely it turned into, here's $10.

Give me that underwear. You play baseball today? Give me that underwear. And then he'd go like literally be like, he'd have them go run around outside until they get nice and sweaty, then he'd get the underwear right, and he'd keep it in a bag. And they called him, they called him Uncle Eddie, but some people just called the underwear sniffer, which was like, if you have the nickname of the underwear sniffer in the neighborhood, why are people going out of the house?

They also called him Fast Eddie. Yeah, Old Fast Eddie, and his one of his other favorite things then. Is he a frickin' car dealer? What's going on with this guy? He's an actuary. He is an actuary, and he looks like, what's his name's character, um, Pickmore did it, he looks like what's his name, Dustin Hoffman's character from Dick Tracy, but he'd have this other game where he'd go underneath a potty training seat, and they'd shit into his mouth,

and then what he'd do, he'd feed them different types of foods to make the shit taste better, but according to this Wikipedia page here, so he did keep the feces and pizza boxes, and evidently he told the boys to eat cheese to make their feces taste better. So he was, he was a cheese poop-poop guy, and he don't know. It's a whole thing, it's the hard way to start the episode. So gross. Yeah, that's a scat connoisseur. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a sommelier.

Oh, that's a mozzarella. It's a sommelier. It's a mozzarella, oh, that's a nice mozzarella. But he, one of the things aside, why are we talking about this again? But you know what it is? You have been fixated on this, your brain, I can't tell right now, I've been reading Howard Stern's new book, this is a therapy session for you, I didn't tell, because you have been sitting with this in your brain for what, five days now?

Yep. Okay, so. The thing that really sticks with me was the fact that they tried to put together a documentary for it, I guess there was a Kickstarter to start a documentary about his story. Yeah, it's called The Resurrection of Uncle Eddie. Yeah. A positive story? No.

No, thank God. No, you never know, sometimes these dudes are just like, yes, I'm an actuary, it's perfectly normal for a man to love a boy, can't a man love a dog, a man can love a boy. But the, apparently I guess the owners of the Kickstarter, he just stole a bunch of people's money and never made a movie. Well, it was in 2015 that this was supposed to happen, and they put together a real nice sizzle reel, like some of the characters, because this all happened in Philadelphia, some of the characters they found were amazing.

There is just, this is kind of what I wanted to bring up. No, these are guys that are grown up now, because all this happened in the late 80s, and they're talking to these, they're talking to these men like 2015, so you know it's 20, 30 years after all of the events, and they're just like these, I mean just hard-bitten South Philly fucks. These dudes are intense, but it's the way they're talking about it. They're like, yeah, we never thought that there was like a thing about it. We thought it was the funniest thing in the world.

He did this thing where he'd shit on the floor, and he asked my buddy to go lick it and give him 50 bucks and move away from the rest of them, and they were all talking like it was the funniest thing. It was the weirdest thing with poop, because remember after the Eagles won the Super Bowl, that guy just happily ate horseshit. You are obsessed with this guy. He loved the one-way story I've ever seen in my life, because I actually re-watched the video recently, and I didn't realize, did you ever see this video?

Did you go to school to be an actuary? No, no, because you bring up, you bring up the Philadelphia fan eating horseshit like once a week. Yeah, it is the single funniest thing in human history. The internet, I think it could go away other than our podcast, but as long as we have our podcast and that video, I'd be totally happy. Because the guy celebrates, he's like, all right, good evening. We know.

Everybody knows the video. I know. But then at the end, I didn't realize, because I showed it to another buddy in a bar. When you hang, I'm a little bar fly sometimes. What? Yes. Sometimes, huh? Sometimes.

And you start talking sports. That's a funny term. Well, there's seven days in a week, and then some of the time I'm at a bar. I was telling the buddy my story, and it was about the guy who ate the horseshit. And then I showed the video again, and I didn't realize at the end of the video, the guy who ate the horseshit says, all right, who's next? And then no one was next because everyone was just like, no, man, we can't believe you did that.

It shows how like almost, I'm going to almost say the toxic masculinity of Southfelly saved these men from a lot of trauma later on, because in a way, them laughing at all of this shit because they were laughing at what, I mean, obviously, they're internalizing some extreme abuse. Yeah, I don't need to go to therapy. I'm not saying that they're safe, but I don't think they got over it just by saying, like, yeah, it was hilarious. It was hilarious.

They talked about sucking this man's dick. I mean, like, yeah, you next to $10, you go up to Fast Eddie's because Fast Eddie, he was fast with the money, but also he was real fast with the shooting. And that's the best part. You only got to suck it for a little bit. Like, you were like saying something like, yeah, that's all you got to do. And he just like, Jesus fucking Christ. It's fucking awful, but apparently the makers of the documentary raised about $20,000.

And I don't know if they took the money or not because it's it didn't because it's they did a Kickstarter page and there's no documentary I haven't seen because I went looking for it. And I don't think they met their goal. Well, honestly, that's a shame because I want to hear more about the story. Unfortunately, yeah, I want to hear about the because it's mostly just about kind of what we dealt with with Ed Buck, of course, and the these guys that are what we've talked about constantly.

And one day when part of the Illuminati run now and of all of last podcast and left will be connecting all of these highly connected child molesters that are just like this guy. This guy is a part of a this guy is a part of a fucking. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And he is he is nowhere. And no one when it comes to the foster care system and the kids in in in need of stuff. I mean, it's a it's a pipeline for pedophilia.

And they videotaped a lot of this shit, too. They were saying that here there's a lot of footage with photos and there's a lot of horrible shit that also serves as a blackmail system. Yeah. And because especially with the guys he hung out with. But the reason why they ended up getting him is they got to do they got two kids to wear a fucking wire. They actually got kids.

They got bait kids to go in and be like, this my pal suck it, Frank. He's like, yeah, I was born with my mouth in the shape of a circle. And Ed Shavits is like, thank God you came and they went and then they he offered them money to have sex with them. And then the cops came in and busted him and talk about a way to deflate a boner. There it is. Well, thank God. I also argue Ed Shavits is a serial killer because he tested positive for HIV.

And so his arrest caused an AIDS scare all around Philadelphia because he said he had sex with up. They assume the look at the numbers and they talk with witnesses and they think it's upwards of 700. So it's very possible he gave AIDS to, you know, 700 people and I'm sure certainly all of them would have died at that point in time because there was no treatment for it. So I think he's also probably a serial killer. Yeah, I would put that as a serial killer.

I put that almost close to like a Herald Chipman like, oh, there's something about the passive nature. That's actually very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody who kills many, many people because that's more of a killer nurse. That's a killer doctor. But the idea of doing it through kind of like a medium, like doing a thing where I'm getting

you sick. I'm like, I am killing you, but I'm not doing it with a knife or a gun where it's like the doctors, when doctors become killers and they do it in the very, what they almost of you in an almost passive way, even though it is active. That's interesting though. I wonder, we should cover a story about, oh, I guess we've just done that with Ed Savitz. But that is kind of an interesting thing. The idea of spreading disease as a, I mean, because you would, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I don't know if you would actually consider him a serial killer because who knows if he actually knew he had AIDS while he was doing it. He said he knew he had AIDS. He was spindly. And when they caught him, he died literally six months later. He died. He basically caught him and he, they caught him in late 1992 and he died early 1993.

Well, so he like got, well, the thing too is that maybe actually, you know what, I take it back. It may be right because it might straight up just have been, he was getting sicker and sicker and sicker and he just wasn't acknowledging it. Well, it seems like he was financially well off, right? He was incredibly well off. So he was talking with the doctor and they definitely knew how to diagnose that stuff. So I wouldn't be surprised if he did know.

But on the other hand, like, I don't think he was doing it in order to kill them because to be a serial killer, you have to have intent. Like you have to have actual, I don't, because I would not consider a serial, to be a serial killer, you do have to have intent. Like I am trying to kill these people with this method. And if you don't have that intent, then I wouldn't necessarily call you a serial killer. I could call you a mass murderer, but I don't think we should throw around the serial killer word.

Let's not throw around because I mean, Marcus is classify these things. Marcus is doing the second draft of the book right now. So you do not want to cross them out serial killers because he will cross the line. Yes. If you are, if you are someone who knows that world a little bit better, please email us side stories at side stories L P O T L at gmail.com because that is a really interesting conversation. What if you're a mass mass marketed pedophile with a cop or a detective or someone that is perfectly slowly with HIV?

Yeah. Or that immediately to the FBI if you send that email. So please do not. And also if the makers of the documentary, I'd like to know what happened with that. Like I'd like to talk to those people. I'd like to know what happened because I don't think they stole the money because usually on Kickstarter, like it says like goal met, right? And I went to their Kickstarter page and it just said like money raised, like $20,000

because what they need them. They've got all of, I guess it was hard having Donnie G and Kokio be like and the very thing being like, yeah, I'll eat shit. I'll eat shit right now. Give me $75. It was weird. Actually, I just looked at their Kickstarter page and it just says, that's a lot of poo poo. I didn't like that title for it for the documentary.

That's a lot of poo poo. Well, I think what they need the money for is the archival footage is they have to pay ABC, NBC, Howard Stern because Stern actually was the was actually who wrote the story. Really? Yeah. I listened to that clip. Yeah. It's very, very funny because they did it sort of as a unfortunately humorous news, which

is also the way I just did it. They covered it like us. Yes. Yeah. No, I'm reading Stern's new book, which I highly recommend it, especially if you're an amateur interviewer out there, it's interesting to just kind of read an interview and see kind of his style. And you realize that I started because Nat got it too and we started reading it in the

house and it is legitimately, I was like, I never really understood that Howard Stern had a process before until I sort of really like reading the interviews to me like, man, he really gets people to say whatever by asking. It's just asking really intense questions like upfront, like no bullshit. Like him talking with, I remember him doing a thing with Ozzy Osbourne's son, Jack Osbourne, being like, you were condoms like to be like with his girlfriend from the middle. It's pretty fun. Yes.

It's just kind of fun, dare I say, which is the name of the new wrestling podcast coming to the last podcast network at some point within, what do you think, two weeks? I'd say two to three weeks. Yeah. Two to three weeks. So it'll be out there. All right. Well, so that's that, dude.

And what was this? That's horrible. What a horrible story. Yeah. What an absolutely horrible story. I'm sorry I did this to everybody. I know. Ed Savits, he was arrested.

But again. But it's not, it's barely a story. I just say, like, have fun, look it up yourself. Yeah. Look it up. Have fun with it. All right. 5,000 photographs of boys, 312 soiled boys underwear.

All right. So he was a. Can I ask? Maybe this is an appropriate question. Discussion. When it says soiled underwear, do you think it just means previously worn or do you think there needs to be duke on it? I think soiled means previously worn.

I think it means used underwear. But demonstrably used. So it's got to have duke on it. It doesn't have to have duke. It has sweat stains on it. I think that's just fine. How often are you sweating? I've never had sweat stains in my underwear.

Oh, I'm sure you have. No, I mean, it comes out. They get sweaty. They get sweaty. Yeah. But after you say it's a real hot day, you take off your underwear after wearing it for 12 hours. Two to three days.

Is it dry? Is it demonstrable? No one wants to think about our underwear. We are not porn stars. Well, I wear boxer boobs. And now what I did is I got, I went and I got some fancier stuff that has like the wicking. I got some of the wickings of sorry, basically, it's like I'm wearing a golf shirt, but I'm wearing it on my balls.

Great. What do you got, Ben? I just wear, honestly, my underwear, I go to a laundromat in Brooklyn. No, not your underwear. What are your stories? What are your stories? Oh, I think we want to talk about underwear. No, just, OK, just to wrap up on this dude here.

So evidently, he did know Sandusky Indians. They probably were together. Oh, yeah, they definitely Eiffel Towered a couple of Boy Scouts and high-fived each other. I'm certain. The second mile foundation was the name of the foundation that Sandusky had. So anyway, he's dead. And Sandusky, God knows what's happening to him in prison. All right, well, let's do this story here.

Do you think they even let him use the showers? Because this one, I guess why do they have to worry about it? I think that people force him into the showers, yeah. Right. But, I mean, like, but he's not even that like, he's not like, this is maybe inappropriate. He's big. Maybe he's inappropriate to say, but like, he's kind of gross to want to have sex. Right?

It's prison. I would imagine Jerry Sandusky is in protective custody 23 hours a day and gets maybe a shower a week. Yeah. Yeah. And either way, we do our jokes here, but prison rape is a real problem in this country and it's something that needs to be addressed. I'm not pro it.

I know you're not. But also when you say I'm not pro it, it does make people think maybe he's pro it. No, I say I'm not pro it so that he can't. It's on the record. It's on the record. That's all that matters is the record. That's what happened with O'Donnell, the the candidate where she's her first campaign that it was, I am not a witch and then everyone's like, maybe she's a witch anyway.

All right, let's move on to this carnival worker. Obviously, there's a stigma of carnival workers, but sometimes stigmas apply. Yeah. Because I mean, is Carney racist? We found out that people say Carney. I don't know. When we said we got some more of our sensitive Newfoundler, that that group of people when we call up new fees, they got some people get upset.

They broach at the top of the new fee. There's always three people upset with everything. Yes, they'd be upset if you didn't call him new fees. The reason why I said the word new fee is because one of my best friends, his mother is from Newfoundland and I know her quite well and she refers to herself as new fees. But is it like the way my father calls us a bunch of dirty pollocks, but if I said that to a group of people on the street and get beat to death? Maybe it's other that since we're not from Newfoundland, we can't say new fee.

I don't know. I don't know. All right. Well, this carnival worker, he's a serial killer. He confessed to killing three women within 18 days. So he's a traveling carnival worker. His name is James Michael Wright. He's 23 years old.

He's out of Mendota, Virginia. He confessed to fatally shooting three women during an 18-day span between February 28th and March 17th near his home, but claimed the killings were accidental. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Also, if you're a carnival worker and you accidentally kill three people, it doesn't make the ride much safer.

Like if you're just like, oh, I forgot the screws, why do I have all these screws in my pocket? Oh, dang it. I have questions. Okay. First of all, is it a traveling carnival operator? Yes, it was. He's a traveling carnie.

So these are the parking lot guys. Is that right? These are the guys that set up in big parking lots to travel for a few days and then move on. So yeah, he wasn't with like the carnival. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he was just a traveling carnival worker. So he says it was an accident. And this is according to the Washington County Sheriff Fred Newman.

He says, quote, we find that hard to believe based on the information we have. That was accidental. Yes. So Newman said Wright admitted killing the three victims after meeting them through his employment as a subcontractor for James H. Drew Exposition, a Georgia-based amusement company that operates alongside the East Coast. So he's talking to him. So you just, he murdered women who came to the carnival.

Basically the other victims, yeah, basically it was people that were not necessarily at the carnival. There were just kind of around his area. They wouldn't. Why would they be around his area if they weren't at the carnival? No, this was near his home. The remains of two bodies to believe. Oh, so he did all this as a hobby?

It wasn't even on the job? No, I don't think so. I thought this was like, there's something wicked this way, this way comes. Well, this is according to, again, the Sheriff. He says the investigation is ongoing regarding the suspects activities while traveling with the carnival. Because again, we know the carnival traveled extensively, certainly throughout the East Coast.

Basically this individual killed three women within an 18-day period. Last if right was a serial killer, Newman said, I think you can say that, yes. Marcus, what do you think? Serial killer? Yes. And so this man probably has more bodies, don't you think? More than likely. I have more carnival questions.

What kind of carny was he? Was he like a roust about? Was he an operator? Was he a concession worker? Marcus Kissel is not you. I'm looking at his, no, I can speculate. I can speculate. I'm looking at his mugshot and I'm gonna say this guy, he, what's the name of that sugary

thing that's all fluffy? Cotton candy guy. Yeah, he's a cotton candy guy. Concessions. Concessions. You really think? Let me see his face. He looks like a concessions guy.

Let me see his face. He's concessions. I don't know. He looks like a guy that could put up a tent. That's a roust about. That's what a roust about is. No, this guy is handsome by carnival worker standards. Well, that's what I'm saying.

He's new. So those guys, you want the concessions? Those are the grunts. The new, the roust about, the roust about, tell me if I'm wrong, Marcus, but I believe roust abouts are more new to the carnival world because that's the back-breaking work that you don't get like the bark or stuff. You don't get all of the retail side of carnival work until you have shown your bones. It's tough to say that he's got a, he's got a face with two eyes and nose and a mouth.

Yeah. And two ears. And he also murdered three girls, which is right at the top of the application. Yeah. Well, of course, they probably got him the job, but I'm going to say this guy might have been in the concessions because he's the face of the company. I'm going to go with roust about. I'm going to go with Henry.

Okay. Especially if he was new. If he was new, yeah, you definitely have to work your way up in the carnival business. Well, we don't know that he was new. He was 23 years old and he traveled around all the time. He's 23. Yeah. But on the other hand at 23, he might have been in the carnival business for five, six

years. Oh yeah, 10, 15 years. Anyway, just quickly here, the victim's saying something they want to say. He shot them at a distance. Do you know anything else about the nature of the carnival? What we know is, so Jocelyn M. Elsup, she was 17 years old, RIP, that's super sad. She was the daughter of one of his coworkers. Oh.

So he shot her. The other victims were identified as Elizabeth Marie Van Meter. She was only 22 and the other victim was Athena Hopson. Both women were reported missing in March. So it seems like he was, you know, he shot the daughter of someone he knew. Got that first taste. But my question is, but you don't know anything about any other people. No, I just have what's here in the New York post.

Oh, okay. So this is, we're still visible unfold, but so we don't know if he has more bodies. Well, one body confessed to those three murders. Yes, he did. And then he said it was on accident. One body was found in a shallow grave. Well, you always do that. I always put my accidents in a shallow grave.

I, you know, there were a couple of pancakes the other day. An accident. An accident. I know. I mean, you know, I always had to then have to drive about 20 miles out into the desert. I build a shallow grave next to all my boys underpants that I keep just for memories. What kind of pizza is this? Oh, it's my favorite.

Cut pizza. Um, one body, this is very sad, obviously, folks, you know that it's a, it's a true crime show. So it gets a little blue. One body was father to shallow grave. Well, the other two were discovered near some logs. So yeah, he was full on these logs will hide them. Yeah.

These logs will do it. Love that. New York post reporting. Some logs. Some logs. I mean, they didn't elaborate on if it was an oak or, you know, a pine tree, but it's just that big city beat a Jimmy Breslin. Some logs.

New York post reporters hear a lot of these stories. I don't even think they register it at all. No, why? They don't feel feelings. No, they can't. I think a real reporter shouldn't feel anything really. They should be kind of like a dead eyed constant, like looking out just for the truth, not experiencing anything sort of subjective whatsoever.

Yeah. I think that's an accurate description of most reporters, totally dead eyed and without a soul. Like full on like little camp quarters, but with penises and vaginas. Yeah. You can. Absolutely. So that's a little tale there, which is sad.

So be careful. And also just a little story here before we get to Marcus's fun little breakdown of whatever Marcus wants to talk about. Jesus. I know he's got stuff, but of course, slipknot. We know slipknot. We're not. Not personally.

No. We don't know anyone. Cool. Personally. No. Well, that's not true. Anyone we know that we've met and that knows us. You're good.

Rollback is a really, really good thing. Thank you so much. So the slipknot front man, Corey Taylor, he claims that he blew out his testicle while practicing vocals for slipknot's upcoming Europe European tour. And I'm just going to say that is a hell of a advertising tactic to be like this rock so hard, I blew out my nut. I pissed out my nut. Yes.

He said, he said that he was pissing blood. He said, Corey added hat. This is what he wrote on a tweet. He said, working on my 87 dock and high notes this morning, fucked around and blew out the left testicle, careful on reentry kids, then added hashtag, kiss of death and pissing blood. So slipknot still got it, although everyone gets older and at some point you bust your testicle singing.

Oh yeah. I see James Hetfield with his like, I want to say it's like an arthritis guard or something he has on his hand. Oh yeah. Yeah. Kirk Hammett too. Yeah. It's certainly happened to all of them.

Yeah. They're all breaking down pretty fast. Yeah. It's a hard life on the road. Look at us. Absolutely. We've been doing it. We've been on there for three years and I'm fucking.

Oh, I turn white. Do you remember when I started it? Why was Puerto Rican? I do remember that. Yeah. Wow. I remember that. Wow.

It's one of those little stories from my little books here. It's not a book, it's a phone. Yeah. It's really strange that you called your phone multiple books. Where are you? Honestly, we had the first time ever on the flight over here. I read the book. Granted it was the Howard Stern book.

It was a pleasure read, not a work read as Marcus always does, but Marcus played video games and watched movies and I read a book on a plane. Wow. I was waiting for the next edit to come back. Actually, no, you're not completely true. The first flight, I played video games and watched movies. Second flight worked on Rendlesham, but we were waiting for the second edit to come back on the book.

So I spent a nice couple hours playing Cuphead and watching Attack on Titan. Man, watching you play Cuphead, I'll actually will at least say this. What's Cuphead? Marcus? Cuphead's a game. No, I know it's a game. What's it about? I don't know.

A game where you're going to make him try to explain this. Are you going to make me explain Cuphead? Yeah, now I do. Cuphead, all right, fine. It's about Cuphead and Mughead and they've both lost their souls to the devil in a dice game and so in order to save their souls, they have to travel through their imaginary land defeating gigantic monsters in order to collect the soul contracts for the devil. You know, man.

You asked. I don't know. You can't just explain because it's a side scroller, so if you try to explain the plot of a side scroller really doesn't make a very difficult side scrolling game. Also by the way, if you're out there and you know how to make a video game, we would love to do a video game with last podcast on the left. We would. That's a very big ask.

Yeah, we've actually been approached for a side scroller, so that would be awesome if that happened. That'd be fantastic. Yeah. Do it in a second. I want to do it. Make a Metroidvania. That would be sweet.

Yeah, they know what I mean. Yeah, that would be sweet. All right. Now I started playing. You who gave me the recommendation to play rim world. Yeah. Is this another sexual thing for you? No, I just do it to myself though.

It's called a rim world. What I do is I play the game and then I wet my finger and I just play with my buttholes I go like a crystal like you do with the crystal glass. Get me out of here. That's a weird thing for a butthole to say. But it's nice. I think it's refreshing to watch Marcus play video games because at least he does it like a man would.

Oh, yeah. Honestly, like you don't make any noises. You just sit and play the thing. You sit and play the games. Or it's like I sit with Holder McNeely. What are you talking about? So it was Holder McNeely. Have you ever sat with Holder McNeely like playing with the switch?

Oh, this is just you trying to find a roundabout way to make fun of Holder McNeely. Of course. For who is it? The bruiser. Yes. But watching him play video games of him going like he's got his scrunched up like he's fucking 12. Like in the back of a van.

No matter what. He's playing the switch. Oh, God, this game's cheating, this game's cheating, and he looks at him and he's like oh. I'm trying. Like he like hoffs. I'd like try to say something to him. He'd be like Holden.

And he'd just go like what? What is it? And it's like you're a fucking 36 year old man, a 36 year old man. Stop acting like you're the fucking back of a family vacation in this fucking station wagon. Well, all right. Wizard of the bruiser. Check it out.

Holden does know what he's talking about when it comes to all things video games. He's doing competitions. No. He just goes to them. I know. He just goes to the building. Where there is a competition. I'm not defending.

He's lost immediately. This is one of our oldest friends, by the way. That's why I'm allowed to say these things. I know, but sometimes we have to remind people we are still all friends. But yes, Holden's very annoying. I understand that. Oh, dude, you're interrupting me. I'd like to hear the music.

It's fine. All right. Marcus, what have you brought for us today? Henry mentioned music and I'm going to be going back way back to the 1960s to tell the story of record producer Joe Meek. Cool. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, Marcus with his segment. That's good.

Thank you. Totally professional. Well, Joe Meek was a revolutionary, but nowadays little known record producer who back in the early to mid 60s produced a fair amount of hits in the UK that are now largely forgotten outside of the music geek world. Well, stuff like Strawberry Alarm Clock and like he who goes to the watch tower goes like weird like that kind of project, even more obscure than incense and peppermints like it's way past that incense and peppermints is famous.

I love that song. I love it. I love it. I love it. Peppermint. Peppermint. Makes me feel like I want to wear pasties. Oh, really?

You just talked about your underwear. I look great in pasties. What's up about you? Well, that's my end of my career life. Just two pieces of bologna on top of your nipples being like, it's lunchtime. We're going to thunder bones in Atlanta or something. It's hard to nail down exactly what Meek's specific sound was, but if I had to describe the majority of his work, I'd say dirty space age noise manipulation filtered through the

mind of a guy who thought ghosts talked to him through his recording equipment. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. That's fucking cool. It's cool. He just sold me on him. Does he have a serious mental illness? Yes.

Okay. But we'll get into that later. Okay. But Meek was also a man of accomplishments. He produced the first single to go number one in both the UK and the US. He was the first British independent producer. He recorded the first rock concert app. He recorded the first rock concept album, and he founded Britain's first indie label.

Well, it's a concept like, what if the Titanic didn't sink? That would have been great. It was about aliens. Fuck yeah, man. Yeah, I fucking like this guy. Yeah, it was cool as shit. Now of course, that number one hit ended up destroying him. The record companies didn't want to work with him because he was an unstable tyrant.

He only released four tracks of his concept album on an EP that sold only 99 copies, and his music label folded in a year, but there lies the tragedy of Joe Meek. Honestly. So he was a real artist and not one of these sellouts that he does well. Yeah. There is something really cool about selling only 99 albums that's kind of an accomplishment in its own right. Yeah.

I mean, the whole thing wasn't released until like, they finally released it in I think 1991 or 93 or something like that, but he did Joe Meek and the blue men. It's fucking great. I would. Oh, you can see actually good music. Well, I think it's good and he likes the he likes the pipe organ. Oh, that's true. Are you still listening to pipe organ pipes, hot pipes, the pipe organ podcast?

Yeah. I'm still listening. How's it doing? I mean, it's still hot pipes. Have they gotten the bump? Did they get the last podcast bump? I don't know. I don't talk to the host of hot pipes.

I imagine he's accessible. Talk to me. I'm certain he would go, huh, Marcus, I knew I'd need another man, the melodious sounds of the pipe organ. Oh my God. Host of hot pipes. Why? What are you doing with that empty pizza box?

Oh, it's my favorite pizza. What's in there? Oh, you want to see? Yeah. I got to hear fresh from France. For France? Yeah. Look at it.

It's dukey. Oh, no. Is that what he sounds like? Yeah. No. Okay. But the failures of Joe Meek is only the smallest part of the tragedy. The reason why we're talking about Joe Meek today is because his life ended in a brutal

murder suicide. Oh my God. I'm looking at a picture of this guy. You've got the pompadour. He's got an old school look to him. Kind of handsome, dude. Yeah. Okay.

But before we get into the murder suicide, let's get into Joe Meek's weird as shit life. Okay. Now some called Meek the low budget Phil Spector. I can tell you exactly who called him that. Phil Spector. Absolutely. Because Meek recorded all of his music in a custom studio built in his London apartment.

And I'll give you an idea of what his music was like. Here's a clip from his aforementioned number one hit, Tellstar, by the Tornados. Oh. Wow. Nicolle, Manila. Nice. Surprisingly boring It seems to me like if I was walking down the streets

I would feel like I was mughead or jugbutt or whatever the name of your video game players are But like it's very video gamey well you only listen to a clip You didn't listen to the beginning of the song that had all the space-age noise in it You gotta listen to it with headphones This is all you're giving me Because that I can't play the entire song for you right now. You got to do the reading. I told you we were doing Joe Meeker a week ago You could have listened to vampires cowboys and spacemen which is the two CD set that was released a few years ago that

Brought together all of his wonderful recordings are at least the stuff that had to do with vampires cowboys and spacemen I was reading about underwear stiffen. I know what you were doing. This is crazy. So that was in what the 50s That was 1963. So that was pretty. No, maybe either 1961 or 1963 Yeah, it's great stuff. Yeah, you got to listen to the entire song, but that was one of meek's more normal songs Here's one that he produced with a guy named screaming Lord such Called I'm in love with Dracula's daughter cool, okay? I I am downloading this for the plane It's great. Yeah, it's a really it's really fun

Yeah, and Lord such used to do live performances in London dressed as Jack the Ripper and the reason why they called him screaming Lord Such not because he screamed on his recordings, but during live shows. He would just scream it people in the middle of the song And they'll go oh no, he's screaming again, and this is why we've never heard of them Technically sounds like murder fist. We're not gonna talk about anybody you've ever heard of On this episode until I get to the part when I talk about all the people that Joe meek said no to okay, all right But besides just the weird stuff meek also produced somewhat more traditional songs like his first number one hit Johnny Remember me by John Layton about him remembering himself Johnny remember me. It'll make sense Maybe that's his last name

John Johnny. Hey, my name is Johnny. Remember me and like no, I don't think we've met before no My last name is remember me. What what are you talking about? Let's check it out I don't see man. I like this one. Yeah, it's great the 60s were cool I actually went through say we all went through all of murder fist went through a period of time We were listening to a lot of psychedelic music, and it's fun to do it just like it does ramble It does sound like Johnny You remember me does sound like one of those things that you would experience at a Los Angeles party when you meet somebody and you go like

Oh, hey, what's your name? It's like Alan. We've met. Yeah, I know Ah, yeah, just live with it. Fuck it up. Yeah, I love it. I guess I couldn't remember you Huh, I guess you suck Wow, I'll suck that Are you freaking out? Now despite Joe's success in the music world. He was completely tone deaf He couldn't play an instrument to save his life And he couldn't read or write music because he got all of his ideas out by horribly singing a tune over and over again

Until his musicians could figure out what to play Johnny remember me Johnny remembers who remembers me It must have worked though. Yeah, everyone got it. Yeah, cuz it yeah tell story be like And you guys just like all the tubas are trying to struggle to do it And he's like now you've got it when they just start be like we just started playing a fucking random ass tune And you just decided we got it. Yeah, the bassist is in the corner taking a dump in a pizza box This is for a senator Special delivery, but melody and musicality was not what made Joe meek such a fantastic producer

Musically it was said that Joe was an absolute moron, but when it came to sound Joe meek was a genius. Hmm and this obsession with sound came with a morbid bent Now when you mean the heat he good with sound He would sound what did that? What does that mean? He was able to produce the weird sounds that he had in his head on tape this like if Joseph Kalancher Was a producer if Joseph count light if he was able to take the things that were happening in his head and put it Out on tape like he had a very specific way that he wanted things to sound and he was able to use tape manipulation He would stomp on a bathroom floor to get like a certain bass drum sound that he had in his head

The sounds that he had in his head. He was able to actually make those Happened so good record producer horrible horrible apartment neighbor. I can't imagine that would have I would rather live next to Dahmer I see her at least he had to be quiet. You know what we're gonna get into that So you wanna meek's big obsessions was speaking with people beyond the grave and Besides the mini seances that he took part in Joe used to take tape machines to graveyards to see if he could pick up the voices of the Dead got daddy Well the closest he ever came was when he ran across a cat once And he thought the cat was speaking in a manlike way. Hey

Hey, I'm a cat Are you a cat? Are you just a ginger man? Names Ed. Are they call me uncle? But the eventual Translation of what the cat was trying to say was loose to say the least the best Joe could comb up with was that the cat Was saying help me, but you can judge for yourself. I actually have the tape. Okay, this in here Yeah, honestly, I Didn't say and help me. I can hear it. I hear it. Yeah. Yeah, I can help me

Yeah, it's like any EVP where they tell you what it is and then you're like, okay, except for the one where the guy says I Have the body for pig. Yeah, that was Incredible people do that with our intro as well. They say rise from your grave It says the words on it. It's not EVP is rise from your grave. It's from the it's from altered I know but some people have a different meanings that some people don't know what it says. It's rice. They're hearing I know that that's different. That's what we're talking about here as a cat saying help me That's a very that I'm talking about here as a cat saying help me. God forbid A meek was into all kinds of a cult shit and he heavily studied the works of Alistair Crowley

Although they didn't really make him special in the music world in the 60s, especially in Britain All those fuckers were in Alistair Crowley, but the thing is meek actually may have contacted the other side Meek said that during a seance Slash tarot card reading in January of 1958 a spirit told him that Buddy Holly would die on February 3rd Now it just so happened that Holly was touring the UK at the time and meek was able to meet him backstage at a show To deliver the message. Can you imagine fucking being backstage before a show? Oh, you're buddy Holly and you're you're like Hey, but boss, I should put my glasses on for ten nights before I'm sick. Nobody that makes you look like a nerd

No, I think it's gonna make me different and then all of a sudden you have Joe meek come in be like you're gonna die I spoke to a ghost cat. Yes. I spoke to a ghost cat. It told me you're gonna die buddy Holly And you have to then go and play Take a suit just plumes of smoke coming through the doors Like a cryptic Doomsayer. Yeah, and buddy Holly's just I mean he's just some fucking kid from Lubbock, you know So actually we he was probably I got put my glasses on goddamn it. Oh hi Joe meek nice to oh, I'm gonna die Am I yeah, and then you good, but then you wail on them. That's what I would have done

Oh, yeah, no, and this isn't just rumor or legend buddy Holly actually Acknowledged in an interview that someone in the UK told him he was gonna die in February But it was already past February when buddy Holly talked about the prediction So he wasn't worried, but as it turned out spirit wasn't talking about February 3rd 1958 it was talking about February 3rd 1959 Aka the day the music died. Oh my god, that is creepy Yeah, it does work. Richie Valens big bopper and buddy Holly all

I mean so, you know, he was right. You just let everything but his career. Yeah Well air travel used to be much more dangerous. That is for sure That's the thing with leanert skinnerd as well when they died the person on the on the television news said rock band leanert skinner But they took that plane they knew it was a horrible plane and they were like we'll just give it one last shot Mm-hmm. All I know is these planes better rerun and pretty good when we're up there. Mm-hmm. I'm scared Yeah, I know, but don't be scared. Just you have booze booze to help you not be scared I know but at some point, you know, I can't have booze anymore when the doctor tells me that can't we talked about this Marcus last time last Onside stories where he said the doctor will eventually there's something that a doctor will tell all of us that we will have to stop doing

Yeah, you're gonna quit that vape. Yeah, you're gonna have to quit vape in tobacco Yeah, it's probably it's also gonna be a sugary drinks as well. That's also good. That's gonna have to get cut out It's just cuz your teeth. Yeah, but you look good now. Honestly. Thank you. I've been taking good care of them We used to do roast comedy and then all of us realized we couldn't because all of us got our feelings hurt This whole buddy Holly death prediction thing could have just been a coincidence But either way, Joe Meek had been eerily right in predicting the death of one of his favorite musicians problem was though Joe Meek was also Severely bipolar and showed heavy signs of schizophrenia

So such a confirmation was unhealthy Because now he had it in his head that his paranoia his predictions They could come true not because one of them came true on a worldwide scale You see that would not freak me out. That would make me be like, you're gonna die And in addition to the bipolar disorder and the schizophrenia Joe Meek had a constant intake of amphetamines to stay awake and barbiturates to fall asleep 60s man, which only exacerbated his mental health problems said it almost is it really any difference in the amount of coffee that I have to drink To keep going the amount of booze that I have to put into my body to go to sleep

It's a gigantic difference if you're fucking that yeah juggling yellow jackets and Benny's I wish I was yeah The 60s were crazy with that stuff. It was fun, man Because the government is to give you the pills and the government used to see it was the same bills They were using to fight to Jerry's Yeah, yeah now this of course led to a fair amount of violent and unpredictable Episodes such the times that he held a shotgun to the head of Mitch Mitchell the eventual drummer of the Jimi Hendrix experience Oh my god, quote-unquote Inspire a better performance. That's what Werner Herzog did with what's his name the actor that he works with all Johnny

Remember me. Yeah, Johnny remember me And if this is starting to sound a lot like American record producer Phil Spector, you know Phil Spector responsible for be my baby You lost that love loving feeling to do run run all and countless others and a lot of murder Yep, murder as well. It's hard to be a producer. Yeah, it is that's Travis. That's Marcus Yeah, Joe meek and Phil Spector actually had one interaction one day Phil Spector decided to call Joe meek's apartment studio to pay his respects because Phil Spector was a big Joe meek fan But meek who was famously paranoid told Spector to fuck off and stop stealing his ideas And then he slammed the handset down on the receiver over and over again until it broke into a thousand pieces

It's a bit of a reaction I want to have that free. I want to have enough confidence one day in my life to do that though Yeah, but of course now we have smartphones. Yeah, you can't break them. Yeah, you can't do that No, they're really difficult to break it if you snap them open. They're technically filled with poison Oh, okay, a lot of info on there and I will say though even though meek wrote and produced amazing songs like I love Joe meek I've loved his songs for years and years and years It's like his songs are like part of my like happy music repertoire He was sometimes an absolute fucking idiot when it came to picking talent a young manager named Brian Epstein

Went to meek with a demo tape from a band. He was thinking of representing called the Beatles the Beatles It's not even spelled correctly. Yeah, meek's advice pass Wow hard pass and then he threw the tape in the garbage. He's like these messy beat boys. I have no idea what they're doing Yeah, okay Yeah, if you if you've ever been denied for anything if you were on Shark Tank Which I watch regularly and you got denied. Don't forget you can still make it out there You got to try hard. They are looking out for you. They want you to succeed, but you have to come in with the proper I don't the math breakdown. I forget what that is

You really got to come in with the numbers. Yeah, you have to kind of have the numbers. All right Beatles rejected Yeah, and instead of pursuing the Beatles meek wit with bands with names like the blue men the driving stupid the syndicats and the worst Alan Dean and his problems Alan Dean and his problems is the greatest name I've ever heard Alan Dean and his problems It is Justin. He's like all the four or five pack the day I love that song. Oh, can you sing that song again four or five is packed it a

four or five is packed today take a wanger Well, I enjoy these bands particularly the work meek did with the blue men he did his concept album with the blue men The Beatles that was an objective or objectively horrible decision to make a lot of people pat a lot of people pass on the Beatles Well, I mean were the Beatles like what's their demo that good? It was good enough You know like it was definitely a good enough where they because the problem with the Beatles And a lot of those bands at the time is that all the record producers and companies are like rock and roll on is on its way out What do they think was gonna come next they didn't know they didn't care just like jazz like more jazz I don't know. Yeah, that's weird at the time in England like around this time the the people

It's about yet in England the people who are top in the charts were like middle-aged crooners, you know like that's never gonna die They're like that's forever. Yeah, that's that's forever. And they also these you know how many crooners we have now Of course, we got Susan crooner Tommy crooner. They're they live out in Iowa great family great family both out of AIDS It's sad though. Very sad. Very sad. Well, these people also like they the record companies had them under their thumb They could pay them 20 pounds for a song and then they'd never have to pay him a single bit of money ever again And they didn't want to have to deal with all these younger people But the Beatles weren't the only people that Joe meek passed on a few years after that a different band came into audition for meek And meek hated the lead singer so much

He ran into the room put his fingers in his ears and screamed until the lead singer left the room and then Joe meek blew a raspberry at him as he left That lead singer was Rod Stewart You can't say no Rod Stewart because he remembers and he kicks fucking soccer balls into the audience Diva and eventually meek convinced the band to fire Rod Stewart and Changed their name from the Raiders to the moon trackers He has a very in today's world he would have found a niche he would have he absolutely Yeah, he really would have and actually fucking I mean the moon trackers are fucking great

They wrote songs like this their classic night of the vampire So this is the second vampire theme song that meeks has produced He wrote a lot he produced a lot of songs about vampires and a lot of songs about UFOs and I think it's cool And a lot of songs about cowboys All right, I mean it's just anything but what I guess he knew and Anything outside of Alan Dean and his problems. Yes, honestly, it sounds like us whenever we pitched a show to Holly weird Holly would be like it's aliens serial killers and cryptids. They'd be like what? No, oh, he's like it's cowboys aliens and moon trackers

So, yeah, I think this is gonna work. Yeah vampires cowboys and spacemen is definitely that's the that's the compilation Go for with Joe me because it's all instrumental surf stuff But this is night of the vampire. This is you're gonna love this song. Isn't it weird surf music exists But you can't listen to music when you're surfing So we just so you would think they would create the music for the surfer You can't play me because they can't wear headphones. I know that's what I'm saying Yeah, so I mean to play a ukulele next to the beach, which is technically just Hawaii That's what they do like the big fat guy. Yeah, we're who died of banana poisoning

Oh, that's all right. Assume here's this song Oh, does Carolina hide in the bathroom while you dance like an old-timey skeleton in a silent cartoon to this Carolina loves the way I dance to the moon trackers. That's great But yes, I do dance to like an old-timey skeleton in this music And I've been doing it for a long time and it's one of those things that if you want to be with me You better be down with my skeleton. Yeah You have to be if you're not down with my skeleton dance and you're not down with me It's like if net could not stand you a foe is it would be very difficult

Yeah Yeah, anyway, if you love like the cramps go check out Joe Meeks You know surf stuff. It's okay fantastic And actually that's not even his last fuck-up his third fuck-up came after Telstar become a hit Meeks had it gotten pretty large and when a young man named David Jones showed up at Meeks store Meeks said he was just too busy to see him eventually Jones got an audition But meek again thought he was absolute shit pretty soon after that David Jones Changed his name to David Bowie

Yeah, that was David But that's why you had to say they that's why you had to change his name Yeah, yeah, that's why exactly why you had to change his name because it was already a Davey Jones Well, thank God. That's so Stewart David Bowie and the Beatles. Yeah, I said no to yeah, he said no, but admittedly David Bowie's there's a reason why no one talks About Bowie's first album. It's bad That's you know, he started track two is sell me a coat It was strange

He started as a theater guy and the way he started was a musical theater and he used to do one-man shows So it came from this world of the theater and then it was it was more musically. Yeah, it was very fanciful The I think the single off of it was the laughing gnome, which was it had a really high-pitched voice It's about About him meeting a gnome on the street, and then they go watch TV together Right, would you know actually what you know? That's the only thing you can do And also meek was the first person he did see some talent in Tom Jones. He was the very first

But you know, it's not unusual. He was the first person to record Tom Jones, but he couldn't get anyone interested in Tom Jones So Tom Jones moved on really yeah I mean he also thought the kinks and the stones were absolutely awful But he did at the very least recognize the talent of Richie Blackmore who was the eventual Guitarist for Deep Purple. Oh, yeah, he told the band that Richie Blackmore was playing and they were all shit except for Richie Oh, Richie must have been happy. Yeah, no way. That's an awkward drive home There's no way that that ruins a group dynamic when you find out that all of the rest of you are garbage But even with all these problems Joe is still recording and releasing music problem was he wasn't making a dime on

Anything because his biggest hit tell star even though it had sold five million copies Meek had been sued for plagiarism Because a French composer claimed that he stole the melody from a movie that the French composer had scored like three years earlier Do you think it's just crazy parallel thinking or do you think it was it's pretty similar? Ah, yeah It's pretty similar, but I don't I think it was parallel thinking or maybe he saw the movie and He slid in there kind of slid in there because it's not the exact melody, but it's pretty similar Well, I mean that's the same thing with comedians when they're like I do the itchy butthole bit You're doing that now. I saw it. It's like yeah

I mean yeah and furthermore the music industry completely moved on from Joe's style because the British invasion sound was in full force and Meek was able to hop on that sound for one hit By the honeycombs a song called have I the right? But after that song hit number one meek only had two more songs chart 1966 is please stay by the cry and shames and Number 49 with a bullet. Yeah digging my potatoes by Heinz and the wild boys I think it means a woman that loves his balls Oh my potatoes, that's great. So have I the right? It's a it's a very interesting like

Question it's like more of a question than like I got a right. Yeah, it is no, it's a role matter It's about a guy who's like have I the right to hug and kiss you have either Yeah, it's a fine 60s like Brit pop 10 or not Brit pop, but it's a fine 60s British invasion song There's nothing too special about okay. Yeah, it's it's fine, but he's got my meek's got much better work But by the time digging my potatoes came out Both Joe Meek's drug use and his mental health problems have produced a highly paranoid Erratic terror of a man because meek thought his recording studio was bugged by Decca records who are out to steal his ideas Like Joe Meek was not a good dude like he could be fair

He could be very funny. He could be very charming, but he was also like an absolute tyrant He would throw shit at people. Okay. He put a gun to Mitch Mitchell's head, right? But a part of this is the at the time they thought that this is how shit was done. No, absolutely not Everybody else was super professional everybody else is super professional That's why he like that's why he got fired from the record companies because at the time record producers in England They all wore white coats because they were engineers and they had to separate themselves from all the riffraff cutting in to record The rock and roll with your dervish spinning Hey, Rand. That's a real nice white coat, but you got a little poo-poo smudge. I've got a poo-poo smudge

Yes, I had a birthday party yesterday for my nephew. We played the game called make a pizza Okay, you might want to wash that off before David Bowie comes in here Oh, he is skinny But there's no poo-poo in that man at all Oh You ruined me with that stupid But what really pushed me over the edge was when he was out at his gay in the local newspaper after his arrest for quote

Impertuning from immoral purposes Aka having gay sex in a London public toilet because at this time gay being homosexual was illegal in Crazy like it was a hundred. You could be arrested just for being gay Wow, and Joe Meek also came from a very Rough and tumble country back up bringing. He was the indoor boy while everyone else were the outdoor boys He was he was terrified of his mother finding out of his father finding out Yeah, like and some people say that that did exacerbate his mental health issues Even more because he was constantly afraid of being outed and then he was outed in the newspaper I know what it's like to be an indoor boy. Yeah, we all know what it's like to be an indoor boy

It's just technically made me hornier for boobies That's not my fault. I could have gotten gay or two. I think it just makes you hornier for anything You just you're just sitting around thinking about whatever it is that sexually excites you he got hornier for boys You got hornier for girls little thoughts little thoughts little seeds during the plants It is weird though when you suppress certain things the bathroom seem bathhouses bathrooms Laylee Craig the old Republic and senator there. It's just strange that they think that that's I guess that's a place where it's private Yeah, the bathroom. So yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's private. It's private. It's where you fuck Yeah, I mean, I guess if you can't do it in public. Yeah, it's anonymous

You can't go at least you know not in public, but I mean you have nowhere to meet people You know, it's like we all everyone has the same urges, you know If they I guarantee you if a heterosexual sex became outlawed. Oh my god That would heterosexual sex isn't even outlawed and we still have glory holes We still go fucking bathrooms. Can I ask though? When was the first real glory hole done? Mesopotamia, Mesopotamia Archaeological surveys have said Oh, I know that hole. Yeah, how do you how are you so familiar with what you call glory holes?

You want to go out for pizza, I know what that means I'm stayed in for pizza. This one's the Giorno Now the circumstances behind Joe Meeks violent death are not in question The only thing that's a little fuzzy is how he got the gun Okay, the former bassist for the tornadoes and Meeks sometimes lover Heinz Burt said that he just left the gun in Joe's apartment to make room in his car God, it takes up so much room. That's why I don't have a gun in my car. Yeah Especially a huge shotgun. Yeah. Oh and Heinz Burt is a fun side story in and of itself at least in the music world

Joe Meek made him die his hair blonde to stand out and then Joe Meek was also known for with singers at least for pushing The pretty boys who had zero fucking talent But yeah, Heinz Burt for years denied that they had a relationship and then eventually said like, all right. Yeah, we were fucking I'm just so happy record producers have changed. Yeah, you know not pushing the pretty boys Actually Ed Sheeran, yeah He's ugly but he's disgusting. Yeah Well other sources say that meek had taken the gun away from Heinz Burt after Burt admitted that he'd been shooting birds while he was out on tour with the tornadoes But either way the fact remains that on February 3rd 1967 Joe Meek had a shotgun in his apartment

Now it probably goes without saying because Ben you already pretty much predicted this that a man who had a recording studio in his apartment Is gonna have a contentious relationship with his neighbors, right? And that went double for Joe whose landlady Violet Shenton lived on the first floor And furthermore since the hits had run out and the tell-star royalties were still tied up in the courts meek was way behind on rent And on the day of February 3rd Joe had woken up manic and paranoid Convinced the police were watching him or at least that's what he told studio assistant Robbie Duke who back then was going by the name of Patrick pink Duke was the last person to see either Joe meek or Violet Shenton Alive that morning Violet walked up the stairs to have a conversation with Joe about the rent

She stopped in to talk to Robbie who warned him that Joe was in an awful mood But Violet who was apparently a sweet woman said she'd sort him out. I'll show him my bubby's. Oh my So she went up to the third floor where Joe was listening to music the music turned off then Duke heard shouting Specifically meek saying where's the book? Where's the book over and over again? Now he could have been talking about the rent book because apparently that's a thing they do or did in the UK They'd write down every time they paid the rent in a book But we're not exactly sure that's the book he was talking about Okay, he was either way pretty soon Duke heard Shenton telling Joe to put down the gun

Then came a sudden blast and Violet Shenton walked out of the door of the third floor apartment With a smoking shotgun wound to the back and fell into Robbie Duke's arms where she died a couple of minutes later Whoa, then after killing her meek reloaded the shotgun and turned it on himself Ending his own life at the age of 37. It was exactly eight years to the day Since Buddy Holly had himself died after Joe's prediction To add one more piece of tragic irony to the whole story the tell-star plagiarism case Was finally settled a couple of weeks after Joe's death in In Joe's favor, so he could have gotten all the money the royalties came pouring in about a year later. Oh

Man, that's what happens and he could at least have gotten he could have gone to a loony band He could have gone to a booby house. Yeah, whatever Whatever restaurants he wanted to go to something to tighten up the bolts. Yeah, yeah But Joe meek wasn't allowed to see him and for one other weird tiny little thing little cherry on top the date of Phil Spector's murder when he murdered that woman in his house February 3rd. Oh That is actually totally crazy. That is really really weird. Yeah, I mean, obviously it's like one out of 365 We're all to be on the same day, but that is crazy from all to be on the same day. Yeah. Wow

History is interesting now Marcus. How was it? You have a music podcast coming out here, right? Yeah, yeah me and Carolina are working on a music podcast right now that should be coming out I think in like two months or so we're gonna be covering we're gonna be doing it in seasons where we cover like certain genres Cool, is it gonna be anything? Are you gonna cover stories like this or is this more gonna be like for the last podcast type thing? I mean, we're definitely gonna be I mean, we're just gonna be covering The history of like ten different punk bands for the first season awesome second season It's gonna be ten different like 90s alternative bands and so on and so forth. Yeah, we're gonna be starting with the Stooges But yeah, you can't touch anything with the pipe organ circuit because hot pipes. Oh, of course. That man's gonna murder you

He's gonna show up with a fucking Phantom mask on and he's gonna set fire to your apartment Leave the story of George Montalba to him. All right. Wow. That's a great story Marcus. Yeah. Thank you Marcus I just you know, it will be a lot of stories like that because the music world is full of shit like that I really think it's interesting because you know people they're trying to fix Holly weird They're trying to fix these things But I don't think I understand that said when you open that fucking lid of really talking about like we need to clean up And that's the industry and you're like it has been based upon violence and People since the first glory hole

And and this type of insanity go hand-in-hand Artistic, you know that the mind of an artist can go astray sometimes And that's the thing about Joe meek is that he always worked with he only Worked with people that he truly enjoyed so if he only worked with music that he like truly enjoyed Stay true yourself. That's a lesson. Yeah, and also get help for your mental health. I think that's a better bigger lesson Much important lesson and also don't kill your landlady when she asked for it. Yeah, yeah Don't you just leave your apartment? I would say before you kill anybody. Remember you could always just disappear Yeah, yeah, don't kill anyone never kill anybody. You could just just right take it to the road

It's really hard for people to find you and I can't even imagine. I'm sure it's difficult for a Dude at that age to get help. I don't know what the 60s Culture was for mental health 1968 but I mean it was it for him it was it was a combination of his mental health problems his drug addiction and His inability to come out as gay well as we talk about with Joe Calinger Sometimes you don't really truly understand But when you will when you were in the throes of the sickness and you don't have a history of any sort of therapy You sometimes don't know that you're fucked. Oh, I don't think so. Yeah, no, would you know?

Absolutely not and he also had he always had that buddy Holly prediction to cling to that one time It was right that one time. It was right because it was right on a worldwide scale It was one of the biggest events of the decade, you know, it's not the fucking century like when it's one of the It's one of the defining events of the 50s without a doubt It's top three defining events. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and he was right in predicting it so that he always had that to fall back on Oh my god. Well, maybe he just knew that We had to fix our planes aeronautics hadn't been perfected yet. I think that this is all about Don't fly a new a snowstorm. Yeah, don't when everybody's saying don't fly

Yeah, and don't don't take an airplane just because the bus is cold. Oh, is that what happened with buddy? I mean, I would know that's exactly that's exactly what happened is the bus was cold the bus So they there was a February was the what was the tour called? I think like winter wonderland or winter dance party or something like that And they had the choice to either take the buzz and they were doing it in the Midwest And they had the choice to either take the bus which had no heater to the next destination or they could charter a flight and Get there in like an hour or so. Well, so they went with the smaller flight

And Richie Valens was really I mean, you know from watching La Palma, you know, Richie Valens was sick, you know La Bamba. Yeah, I wasn't who's look who's the guy who plays diamond Phillips. He was great Yeah, the diamonds really good in that movie. Yes. Yes. Lobos came back came on the national attention because of that film Lobos coming back in to the American Seed with a soundtrack to La Bamba Man, I love I love show business stories like stuff like this. This is fucking great. Yeah, we're gonna be at this This is gonna be this is gonna be the show. Yeah, we're gonna be covering the Stooges. We're gonna do the sex pistols We're gonna do joy division. We're gonna do dead Kennedys. We've got a tell all our secrets You know, we know we're gonna hide you got some of our player cards close to our

Yeah, there should be a whole lot more than that. I'll be a whole lot more than that. All right All right, I'll see you when I believe it. All right guys. We got to wrap this up. I got to go eat some cheese I got a business All right, everyone, well, thank you so much for listening to our relaxed fit last podcast Don't it's not a orgasm. So I'm relaxed. I oh Thank you. Actually, I don't think that is you relax. That would be you publicly masturbating which is not relaxing No, I've been you know, not until the very end. Uh-huh. Um, so we're excited to see everyone obviously Vancouver a

Wonderful time here. Absolutely love it. We'll see you in Seattle and we'll see you for two shows in Portland Which we cannot wait To get over there and see you all love me some Portland man. So excited. Oh so excited for Seattle in Portland And I'm gonna get so many IPA's. I'm gonna shit. So fucking brown Yeah, dude be careful buddy fart juice. That's all IPA's are man. I don't yeah, the IPA's are too much for me I actually would rather I like a Pilsner. I like I just want my PL's I last night had Miller lights I was also fine with that. All right, everyone Hell yourselves

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