Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 368: The Rendlesham Forest Incident Part II - Uncle Larry's 42nd Birthday

Episode Date: June 8, 2019

On the conclusion to our series on the Rendlesham Incident, we discuss the cover-up, the skeptical explanations for the event, and the mysterious binary code that might be the key to the whole thing.

New host who is oh, I hate that. Hey Guns It's the greasy threesome from page seven here to talk to y'all about our upcoming New York first ever live show My name is Jackie Zabrowski. My name is Molly Neffle and my name is holding Gucci McNeely You are far too old to say that BTW. Y'all know we got a new boy up at her sleepover And it's time to lock him in the bathroom and make him say Bloody Mary We're not gonna traumatize him just cuz he's new jokes on you. I love being locked in the bathroom. You're a monster But guys the first ever brand spanking new wizard and the bruiser and page seven live show is coming up soon We would love it if you would join us at the bell house in New York on June 9th

We are gonna put on a bit of a doozy show for y'all We've been wanting to do this for a long time and I'm super excited to meet all you guys So join us for our debut and be the first to peep on the live show experience Mosey on over to New York. Come on. Help us kick this pig You can grab tickets in the show notes of today's episode. Come on. You know you want to come sing with us I have never sung a day in my life. My life is worthless. Let the great experiment begin There's no place to escape to this is the last talk on the left Okay, I want to address something up top. Whoa, okay. All right some criticisms. I received don't want to talk about this

Are you going are we in criticism corner? Listen to me? I'm back against the wall All right, I'm in a corner here and that's where I'm the most dangerous. I know it, right? But I had several messages saying that I neglected to make a single Jim Penis Town Joe Last week Jim Peniston one of the main witnesses of Randall Shem who we talked about many times They've said that I Neglected my duty that I fell asleep at the wheel. Wow. I never once calling him Jim Penis Town If you're a writer-dialyst and or the show of the last eight to nine years, you know for a fact All I see is Penis Town

I know when I look at his name. All I do I look at it. It's just Penis Town, right? He's got a ton of penis. I got a penis on a penis penis town penis down a ton of penis That's all I see right see his name, but this is a serious story. This is one of more. This is one of the more important UFO stories that exist. Uh-huh, right and this is the permanent record now Right because we entered to the public record as soon as we do these episodes absolutely Well, thank you for keeping it classy and not mention and not mentioning his name sounds like penis town Although you did just mention it about 14 times. So that's fine. I mean, we're keeping it classy nonetheless I try I'm trying to glow up. I'm trying to show up, right every day be here

110% Marcos look at me. I'm I filled with energy ready to do the show. Yeah, he is look at me. He's glowing He's glowing. Yeah, you see me look at a kissle He's pouring kombucha on top of the 18 beers you drank last night. I think that's gonna help. I was doing better I'm on my kombucha kick. It tastes like beer, but it doesn't have any of the hangover side effects very nice Yeah, interesting. Well, that's my statement from the very top from the heart of last podcast to you Oh, I'm sorry, and I'll never neglect my duty again. Well, absolutely duty as in shit as in my big fucking dookie dooks I'm covered in dooks. I'm a big baby sitting in my duke Well, indeed the the tail we're gonna get to today is spooky ookey and dookie with this is last podcast on the left

I am Ben with Marcos parks. Hi. Hello Marcos and of course We have the newly reformed Henry Zabrowski, but not in the way. It's like maybe he's better. He's actually worse I have not been rehabilitated by free speech jail Good, I am moldering inside of speed free speech jail, and I'll tell you what if I get out of here I'll kill again. I swear to God. Well, honestly speaking of Penis town. We can't wait to come to Australia Sydney we're coming to you got bottles tickets. I'm very very excited Should I should I not go to the koala sanctuary because I've heard that Cradling them makes them aggressive kind of like me with any luck

They'll think you're one of them and you'll be like the father of the entire tribe of koalas, and you'll be treated like a king I mean a king koala, which I don't know what that means. Maybe more banana. What are they eat? What are the eucalyptus leaves? Oh, that's actually not so bad and Dave Willis told me that they smell like nug Oh, right and Dave Willis of course from your pretty face is going to hell make sure to catch that But yes Perth come on out to see us in Perth. We love you so much, and we can now wait to see you We're coming to Perth on June 23rd It's just a couple of weeks away now And we're gonna be of course in Adelaide on the 24th Sydney on the 27th Melbourne on the 28th and Brisbane on the 29th

Come on out to Perth and Sydney and Penis town on the 30th I'm going to Penis town Australia, which is somewhere in between Badongadong and Wonka Chonka, and there will be in there. Don't you worry about that Well, I think Penis town is whatever hotel room you immediately enter Penis town also full disclosure kombucha. I'm on this lemon ginger cayenne kick. This one is No, not as good as the one I had in the last stream on the left. Yeah lemon ginger cayenne doesn't sound like your style No anyway, we are what are your farts gonna be like now that you are adding sea monkeys You were just pouring sea monkeys onto your beer shit

All right We'll talk about this on side stories, and I'm sure you guys will tell me what my odor smells like as you always do Okay, let's get to the serious matter at hand here. All right. We are on to Rendleship part two and I along with the audience is absolutely fascinated to hear what's about to happen Mm-hmm. So when we last left our friends at Rendleship forest on December 27th, 1980 Colonel Charles Halt had just made his recording after seeing multiple lights in the sky John Burroughs had just had his second encounter and Jim Peniston was losing his goddamn mind He was and he loses his mind in only the way he is a cross between Steve

Bruehl and the father from King of the Hill is Hank Hill and Steve Bruehl of his want because he's strange He's a toe-shaped man and him talking. I've listened to hours of him speaking now, of course He cannot talk but the way that he talks about he's a good me You know I'm one of those guys, right? I don't know about I need the elbow. I need to have a bottle call But you need to think and I'm a wild up. I'm a wild up. I'm in here in the market And I know it's just about what if I'm gonna be sleep. I'm gonna be having myself a little bit of a pot calling And I'm like, I am gonna fucking throw my laptop into the street Love him now Peniston's the one who did the more articulate drawing. Is that right?

Yes And Peniston was the guy who actually touched the mysterious craft when it landed that first night in Rendleship forest Okay, of course, he was having a bit of a hard time dealing with the whole situation In fact, according to Charles Halt the colonel who made the recording Peniston needed a full week to recover from the experience. That's a little bit of like getting out of work A malinger I don't know a full week is a little bit like I had a cough for one day and let's stretch it out because I Mean Oprah's on what I will say is that we're covering at the end of this episode is that Jim Peniston? Had a abnormal experience when he touched these like you had to remember he suffered from missing time

He was inside what he called the many other called a bubble of influence around this craft He felt energy surging throughout his whole body probably like the first time he got touched downstairs by old Judy back in the day You know, I mean when he was seven years old Judy was 49 He was he was forever changed Well in addition to just his mental struggles, which sounded a hell of a lot like PTSD Peniston was also beginning to develop a nasty inner ear problem which was eventually diagnosed as Minier's disease which causes tinnitus and dizziness among other things

So that's when you just put a dollop of mayonnaise in your ear every night before you went to bed to stop the sounds of construction And then it turns out you got a disease Is that from personal experience where? It seems like a very specific idea No, I actually I learned to love the sound of construction when you want to sleep in New York You just have to love the sound of hammering and then you got to work it into your dreams Now the Air Force never offered any sort of help to Jim Peniston when it came to medical treatments But as Nick Pope points out that doesn't mean that the Air Force just left these men to their own devices

Soon after the events in question the debriefing and eventual cover-up began The original statements taken after the two incidents were from five men Fred Masters JD Chandler Ed Cabin sang John Burroughs and Jim Peniston They scooped these eyes up pretty fast because the first everyone was laughing But these brass essentially showed up to be like, okay What was the AFOS OSI all of the the the Air Force internal police? They showed up now these statements only concerned the first night the landing night But the strange thing about these statements is that they didn't deny that there were lights or strange goings on nor did they even deny

That there was a mechanical object involved Hmm, actually these reports as far as UFO sightings go are not as skeptical as one might think a few of them are actually filled with Defenses of the character of John Burroughs and Jim Peniston because neither men were prone to flights of fancy Jim Peniston couldn't even play Monopoly You mean to tell me that there's a boot walking around by real estate. Oh That ain't real. I've never been real. So this is interesting So they got to go through like these guys aren't crazy. These guys are totally rational That's the majority of the report. Yeah, interesting

And but they they took it very seriously because again what we covered in the last episode this turned out to be Actually a very important base. So these guys showed up and when they said that a craft Alighted in between these two heavily guarded very very secret Well, you know our fucking nuclear contingency. Oh, yeah in Europe when these showed up so they came and they really dug in I mean, I think the only way you can get in there is with a military pass or a Sam's Club membership card Yes, you don't understand is the Sam's Club membership the Sam's Club membership card. It's more than just getting into Sam's Club It's a horrible card But tons if they find out that you entered into a Sam's Club without the membership

It is more it is it is hard to get another than the mason's I know for a fact that everyone who was checking receipts at Sam's Club now works for the TSI They are intense But these statements did definitely leave out many of the as Henry would say woo wee woo details Such as the missing time and the strange symbols In fact with a few of these guys the Air Force just showed up with statements for them to sign Airman first-class Ed Cabin saying who was Peniston's driver Actually said that he was told to sign his statement without question

And if he did sign the statement his involvement would be over But he also said that this was done under strong Dress and Cabin saying signed his statement without even reading it Wow, it's like the way that we passed laws in this country when corporations give them the legislators And they're like you're just gonna sign this law or your life is gonna be over Yep, but they also these guys were really looking to get out of this story because this is highly embarrassing They are they are having to deal with this They're getting laughed at all over the base and they the cover-up has already been done for them

The military doesn't have to worry about it They can just step back and just let the idea of the UFOs and people just laughing at them Allow it to create a cloud of secrecy over this entire thing, right? So you think the military was the first one to call him penis town. Yes Do you think that's fair to say? Yes, I'm certain. Okay. I'm certain The other strange thing about the statements is that no statements were taken from such key players from the first night such as Bud Stephens, Crash McCabe, and John Coffey. Hmm. John Coffey just out there with his little mouse And concerning the second night no statements whatsoever were taken from those guys

Especially not from Charles Halt or any of the other men present at the landing site when the strange lights appeared in the air It was all concerning the first night. Hmm. It seems that when it came to interrogations The Air Force saved all their hard ramen for John Burroughs and Jim Peniston. Oh, yeah, they did They saved every last inch of that ramen every last Lobba Ram. Yeah, I don't like the idea of a military ramming. I don't know. I've seen some yeah I've seen some on in documentaries. Yeah, on that great documentary you watch called boob camp Wow the the the the basic and that is brutal

Yeah, you know, that's not really how basic training works, right? I certainly hope not because I have a lot of questions to ask my father about the Navy. Well John Burroughs and Jim Peniston would be interviewed over a dozen times 14 by Peniston's account and each time they were interviewed They were always told this is the last time just tell us everything, you know This will be the last time we'll never bother you again But they kept coming back again and again and again Okay, Colonel Halt actually made a startling claim about these interviews in a chapter of a book called

UFOs Generals pilots and government officials go on the record the way to make UFOs sound boring Every position that that's in charge of you But it also all of these guys though have great cameos on when I still believe to be my favorite UFO Documentary not just title but in general but the title is great. It's just called. I know what I saw It's just old military guys just shaking their fists being like and they called me a damn fool Yeah, my life for this country and calling me a damn fool. I love it It's the same the reason why I like watching Vietnam Vietnam vets talk and the World War two guys talk because they are

Way fucking serious and they there's no grandkids around so they can curse. Oh, absolutely Is the cover for I know what I saw just an empty park bench covered in pigeons Well in that book Halt claimed that the men who were interviewed were pumped with sodium penithal aka truth Oh on multiple occasions, which could have easily led to later physical and mental problems. I'm gay. I'm gay I'm thankful for that shot the dr. Gay because now I'm gonna go all the way to Broadway And I'm gonna be the the oldest man to ever star in Annie And what's really interesting is that neither Burroughs Halt nor Peniston actually ever have nor do they now believe in the existence of extraterrestrial aliens they still don't know no that might partly have to do with the fact that they seem to

openly despise the UFO community as they should It's a rough group of eels out there We're gonna cover a little bit of the drama of this episode, okay Rendlesham the Rendlesham forest incident also known as the Bentwaters incident depending on which What fight you want to get into okay today? What fight you what fight do you want to start between first of all just the name of the incident? That's one and the YouTube drama that goes in the UFO community is so toxic and so stupid that even

Joe Jim Penistown doesn't want to go and hang out with these guys cuz he's like, I don't want difficult talk So but like me I talk as soon as frog hop over frog hop over long Another interesting situation here is how both the United States Air Force and the British Ministry of Defense Handled this entire affair as far as the Americans were concerned since all this happened outside the boundaries of the base This was a British problem. Oh, yeah Yeah, in fact Halt was a part of this attempted handoff one of his superiors had him write a Sanitized version of a report as far as what went on actually Halt he called that report a bit of a tickler a Yeah, yeah, and I think they just grabbed the spacecraft as a bizarre crumpet

Like so how hot would the TB if it was around your proximity? We said the whole point of making it a tickler was to peak the interest of the Ministry of Defense So they would take over the investigation God forbid it peaks the interest of the Queen She'll What all awkward to be a boy on a child? Oh God Now the Halt memo as it is now known was the first formal notification to the UK Ministry of Defense that something had happened And it was the first document to later be released to the public as far as memos go It's fairly comprehensive while still retaining the privacy of the people involved cuz Halt had promised his boys that he'd take care of them

Okay, I'll tell you this man I think in common parlance of the times the Halt memo slaps Yeah, it is fucking it is hot fire The Halt memo is the it really does because it it set the whole world to flame when it came out because it's the first really Public acknowledgement that these guys sat and they had a fucking they had several meetings trying to figure out the verbiage to say That mysterious lights showed up at a at a top secret base this a bad report Was I mean it was even like a tone down version of the he had just called it He didn't call it like UFO report or anything like that. He just titled it unexplained lights

Okay, that's still pretty cool But Halt didn't write the memo until January 13th almost three weeks after the incident Which meant it didn't arrive at the Ministry of Defense until January 19th Hmm and since so much time had passed between the incident and the delivery of the memo an investigation was kind of a moot point and The passage of time also allowed the UK to claim that it obviously wasn't that big of a deal If the memo could wait almost a month Interesting so they were able to pass it off as well They wanted it to go away so bad Charles Halt in his most recent speech

He did say that that was the whole goal. The goal was that he knew but because he was he is a Capital G capital C good cop right Charles Halt was the kind of guy that was like it must have an investigation But at the same time I can't I can't deal with the fallout from this shit So he wrote the Halt memo afterwards and slow rolled it Hoping hopefully that's like, you know essentially be like someone will come in and handle this one day But I've done my duty. Well, I mean in fairness. It wasn't that long. It was just three weeks after the incident I mean, this is before email folks like things were a little bit slow slower. It's not like they waited a year or something I mean, that is true

But I guess when you know, there's an incursion into a military base three weeks is a pretty long time to wait to tell Somebody about it sure but even though Halt was the good cop. He's still fucked up Oh, yeah, of course. He made one mistake in the memo in this mistake ended up muddling the entire affair He listed the date of the first encounter as December 27th when actually it had been on the 26th how you got to get the date right so when the UK did finally do a Cursory investigation Signifiers such as the next day and the following night were completely Useless when it came to checking radar and an investigative capacity. Yes

And furthermore when they finally got it right and check the night in question They found that the recording apparatus at the radar station in charge of that area had been quote-unquote Switched off that night Or so they fucking say really Anybody could say a lot of stuff. Yeah, I could say I'm six foot three I could say I'm champion of the basketball leagues Right, and I said is it real? Yeah, the leagues really of the many I'm the king of the seven kingdoms of basketball like Robert Barantheon. I just started watching Game of Thrones. I just started

But also I feel like because of this error Halt went on to write a book called the Halt perspective Which is 800 pages. Oh my god, you're holding it up right now. It's it's look at this call Wow, I could beat my father to death And there is no table of contents. It is a full-on It's a stream of consciousness collection of articles and pictures every single bit of Randallsham that exists is in this book But the person who reads it if there is a person who could sit and read it and so I can go through this whole thing I will give you a gift certificate to Applebee

Because you deserve it because this is thick. That's the highest end gift certificate you can get But it's the only Only book I really do feel like if you don't this is the only way to understand Randallsham is to read this entire book And I got through about 50 pages Yeah, all right interesting the Halt perspective check that out by this man's book Well concerning the governmental responses in other words the British government in the United States Air Force Tossed this hot potato back and forth until it wasn't hot anymore than they threw it in the fucking garbage. Oh, at least eat it Now each

Government had information that when put together told an amazingly compelling story But Nick Pope and many others believed while the uk did assume a tacit primary responsibility for investigation All the government wanted was for the whole thing to just go away So they did nothing except a cursory investigation and hope the whole problem would just disappear Right some argue that the horribly inept and casual way that both governments handle this situation Suggest that there was some hidden hand guiding the incompetence while others say that this is just a good example of humans being humans Right The way I've seen it presented again and again is it really just does feel like

it To acknowledge it fully to try to fully go into it Would open cans of worms that nobody can figure nobody could get in the bottom of they're scared those damn worms They're scared of them wiggling worms because if you get to the bottom of those worms, what if they're not even worms? What if those worms turn out to be future people? That's a whole thing we're getting to obviously at the end of this episode, but the it's it is highly difficult to imagine this thing just sidled in Like me walking into a starbucks bathroom and then pissed all over our nuclear weapons and then left

So but this is really I mean this is just clerical work, right? So these are just civil servants kind of just doing an average civil servants job These are above civil servants. These are people these are high ranking government and military officials So we expect a little bit more out of them. Yeah, you definitely expect a little bit more out of these guys I mean, it's obvious that both governments thought that if they ignore the entire incident it might just go away. Hmm, but unfortunately for them Plenty of ufologists were eager to dig that cold potato truth out of the trash I'm gonna put my lips in a hot potato You know what if a hot potato feels like in my mouth a big old shit

I like a cold potato because then I know That it's a root that's got hard nutrients in it My fucking egg-shaped Stanton Friedman's tribute body if you're the military I truly think you would prefer hearing the hard stomping of a group of an army of orcs Coming to destroy you then the small pitter patter of ufologists ufologists just All of it are little Nike air max shoes with little bubbles in them That's the that's the nitrium gas in my shoes. No, I don't think that's just air. I think

Last week we actually low-bold our number as to how many people saw the lights in the sky on the night The Charles Halt made the recording. It wasn't 60. It was actually over 80 And that's just the people on the military base. That doesn't even count all the people in Suffolk. Okay And when those dudes on the military base started going off base just a few days after the incident To return to their local pubs in the british countryside Word of the incident at bent waters woodbridge started getting around after the drinks loosened up the tongues a little bit They turned into the Bonnie right song. Let's give them something to talk about I

Everything is top secret until you have a couple of Guinness. Yep A specifically an airman named JD Engels told a version of the story to a local musician named chris pannington and pennington's girlfriend Brenda butler was a bit of a local UFO nut. Oh, oh, yeah Oh, yeah, dude. He turned that into one of those like prog soundscapes that marcus loved called like lights in the sky lights in my eyes Like and they were like cool Yeah, by the way, we have a single handedly revived the career of joe meeks

Because of last week's side stories. So I guess that's good. Yeah. I mean, he's been dead a long time All right, but maybe uh his family will enjoy the uh, well, no, it's not going to be that much extra money Okay, great. He's really not. I'm sorry about that But well that woman Brenda Butler and another woman named dot street were part of an organization called the british UFO research association or Bufora for short Oh, honestly, that's one of the better UFO acronyms. I like that better than um, even uh, what's his spots kufos?

Yeah, kufos. I fucking hate kufos Yeah, bufora sounds very and it also sounds very british as well. Yeah, it sounds like a hot chick man. Bufora coming in Before it sounds like a lady with no underwear on absolutely You have a vira queen of the night and then you have bufora queen of the noon Yeah She's covered in sandwich meat Well, those two women worked with another writer named jenny randals who pulled all the information together and wrote an article for the flying saucer review in 1982

And that article was quickly followed by another in a small publication called the probe report Yeah Yucks. Uh, well, it's actually pretty interesting. Most of our readers are senators Um, but they say they were disappointed with the content. The truth is out there inside my asshole Thank you, mr. Lindsey Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I love it. You know, I love a solid investigation Gation But the thing was it was actually the americans who really brought the big picture out of the shadows A few dudes here in america subscribers to the flying saucer review and the probe report

Had a tool that the british didn't have an ak 47 Oh, yeah They had the freedom of information act Because the british didn't have a freedom of information at counterpart until like the year 2000 It's a pretty it's a fairly new thing and bram, but we've had our since what the 60 70s Yeah, because it used to be you have to send a tickler into buckingham palace in order to lick the clit of the queen As they started telling her secrets in her sleep. Right, right. Yeah for you big deal big deal We're using the information the brits had given them the american ufologists were able to submit well targeted freedom of information

Act requests and those requests Uncovered the infamous halt memo. Okay. Yes, and with that the peniston and burrows experience with the craft landing in the forest Became public knowledge for the first time not even the british ufologists knew about the actual craft landing in the forest at this time So we can do a usa chan usa usa usa usa It's a humble usa chan, but nonetheless we did something good here. They did just file paperwork Well, that's oh, it's a humble usa. That's what a ufologist weapon is a ufologist weapon is the protractor unusual tenacity paperwork But soon after the halt memo was in the hands of the british

The split came uh-oh after all the information was put together the uk ufologists Rather than keep the story to themselves in their tiny little community Sold the rendelsham story to the press. They sold it out to the sun Yeah, because the the doubloons, man The doubloons fucking walk man and talk ufologists don't got that money They don't have any money, which is why they all should be thankful They should be thanking every day on the knees for tom de long and the amount of money he's pushing into ufology Well, we'll talk about that on side stories a little controversy with the long. Oh, yeah

Well in the words of nick pope the selling of the story Irrevocably split the us uk alliance and caused a controversy in bitterness that lingers to this day Thankfully our bond between our wonderful allies in the uk held strong. They ruined the special relationship They ruined a special relationship. They legitimately If the belts could go higher they would because it's a competition to get those belts higher Because each ufologist because stan freeman currently has the record of having the belt at his throat And having the entire body just be one giant pan And I I appreciate his his and honestly since his demise

We've really lost it. We lost the belt war. Yes. It was just his death. It wasn't his demise He didn't die on the sword of an alien creature. It was just He was an 82 year old man. He just died. It wasn't until I see the toxicology report Which I have sent in I request I want to be present for his autopsy really Yeah Now the paper that the uk team sold their story to was the news of the world Which i'm sure you'll remember ben was the rupert murdoch paper that got shut down back in 2011 After they hacked the phones of the family's of murder victims among many other crimes that scandal was crazy

Yeah, I mean is that not good journalism like honestly? No, is that not kind of the aggressive journalism we're supposed to be looking for? It's extremely illegal. It's it's against all privacy concerns. Yeah, it's against definitely It is unethical to say the least of of course they did winners win though in the end winners win losers lose So yes, and by the way speaking of rupert. He lives in australia, which leads me to think about our australian tour Which brings me to this next sentence. Please buy tickets when we're out in perth sydney brisman Melbourne and adelaide Yeah, look at you. Look at that. Very good. That's called a plug here at radio Well, actually the american ufologists

Kind of had it right I'm sorry. Just got a fucking Get some rage. I had but it's fine. I had to say ufologists just once. Thank you You're right. You're correct. It's good to check. It's good to give me a blood pressure check Yeah, well, yeah, the the americans did actually have it right because although the news of the world story brought the incident wider attention The story was also much more fiction than fact because it was after all a fucking rupert murdoch paper Of course Furthermore traditional journalists and this is just my personal opinion

Traditional journalists, especially those working for a sunday weekly in england in the early 80s don't usually have the necessary let's say sensitivities or The eye for subtlety that's needed to properly report a ufo sighting. All right I'm just gonna push back a little bit fox news is ben kissle raising this hand in the back Um, did people not consume these papers like they were going out of style They just gave the people what they wanted. They wanted they wanted steamy. I want to throttle your fucking throat Yeah, yeah, we're gonna literally I want marcus to drop. I am coming back to top hat like as soon as we get back from australia

I'm coming back. They're they want steamy info on aliens Yeah, it doesn't help. It doesn't help anything. No, it doesn't help. Well, that's what i'm saying I'm not saying it helps. I'm just saying that's what people want like traditional. Yeah, that's exactly that's what people want But you know what else people want then big bags coca-cola uh fucking poured into their mouth 24 hours a day That doesn't mean it's good for him ben. Yeah, that's what they want They want that's all they want man. All they want is a hot pocket filled with fucking oxy cotton That's what the people actually want That's exactly what they want. It's

Sometimes what people want isn't what they need remember the rolling stone song. That's the one good true good song Uh-huh. Well, that's been ruined now as well By what? Donald trump still plays it after every speech. Okay. Well, yeah, they're not now the rolling stones have completely been ruined for me Yes, sorry sweet. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news the past two and a half minutes, but this is the reality We live it We changed that fucking reality. Okay. We can't do it right now. We're talking about Randall's room in the process Now while some parts of the story published in the sunday weekly were indeed true A lot of it was outright lies or embellishments on the part of the staff at bent waters woodbridge

Who just wanted to be a part of the story? Yeah And there was no person at bent waters woodbridge more guilty of embellishment And outright lies than a man named Larry Warren What is with the warren last name? Yeah, they're the warren family the uh amityville Yeah, warren is always uh warren is attached to the paranormal world in the same way that uh, Bundy is attached to the true crime world. It just pops up again and again and again

Strange But Larry Warren originally went by the pseudonym of art Wallace when he first spoke about the rendelship incident Larry Warren has become a little bit of a side project of mine while doing these episodes because Larry Warren He's a maverick He's a maverick Larry Warren I think that's a way the one word I'd use to describe me. He's a maverick. I was looking rock star Liar is also a pretty good word to use. He's a rock star

He is in my mind It's like in a world of drama in this in this world because there's a lot of drama within the rendelship Or as they like to call it that the r ui, right? Where it's like there's a lot of there's a lot of weird shit going and there's a lot of fighting because charles halt to me Right. He's the moriah carry. Oh, he's the true diva He doesn't care what anybody says and he doesn't listen. He doesn't even let them absorb He doesn't let them stop his stride. Right. You got jim peniston for me It's kind of like a brandy. Hmm where he's kind of a down home girl

Still kind of capable of fucking throwing it out at any fucking time, right? But it sings good hits fucking stable center of the story. Right Larry Warren. He's kind of a lefty Yeah, I'd say he means a lisa lefty Lopez. He's a little unpredictable. He'll burn his ex-boyfriend's house down Yeah, he also can lay some licks and he is he is highly uh unreliable Wow, well, it was just the um the sad anniversary of left eyes passing very recently. I believe it was last week I saw the article. She was the best TLC was great. Oh good. So I'm on time. So I'm this is perfect for me Yeah, you really nailed it. We're timely. We're cool. We're hip now

Although halt and other officials maintain for a long time that warren wasn't even stationed at rendelship That's because they just didn't know him because warren had showed up just two weeks before the incident and remained And I'm right on this, right? I think he just kind of remained a low-level grunt his entire time there, right? He was there for two weeks when the rendelship incident happened now to put it kindly as nick pope does larry warren is in a word controversial Well, I'm putting it kindly right now Yeah, I did call him a liar before but now I'm calling him controversial. I don't know. I called him a maverick Yes

He's what's known in the ufo world as a stand alone Meaning his version of events don't match anyone else's in any way whatsoever In any way whatsoever. He made up quite a bit of stuff. All right. All right But larry warren left the air force in 1983 meaning he could talk about anything He quote-unquote saw that wasn't classified information and all the other dudes involved were career men So they weren't able to speak publicly until the early 90s. Yeah, these budget scabs That's what he used to say. Good larry warren talks like that. He's he is a human cigarette from queens He is from my time. He sounds like a combination of my father and my mother

And his every thing is being like they love themselves to get rolled over by the man Me I left because I know I had truth to tell and me I'm the only person who ever gave a sandwich to a black kid in a sand gurgated restaurant He's obsessed with this story, but that shows how honest he is and he is He just oh man, we'll get into it more and more as we go right Not as such because larry warren got out in 83 and the rest of the guys got out about a decade later for a long time larry warren was

Pretty much the only whistleblower when it came to rendlesham forest or at the very least He was the loudest whistleblower so whistleblower He had a full decade head start to get the narrative out and really control the conversation He tried to control the conversation. He actually did help Get the whole memo out on a wide scale because of writing the because when he wrote the book with peter robbins Left at east gate left at east gate is now incredibly controversial because it's filled with lies But at the time this was the entire rendlesham story It's but it's kind of he fucked it up right because he was the first person to introduce it

It's like if the guy that invented donut holes Right if instead there was a guy before him that came out with donut holes But instead of calling him donut holes. He called them like Shuggy dumps, right? He just like he just fucked it up. He just fucked it up and he was just like You see how I do it. So he's gonna take the donut, baby And I'll stick it up. It's all my asshole and I fit it in exec so he's On my asshole. He's Shuggy dumps He's Shuggy dumps

And because larry warren uh, he took it all a bridge too far And then the bridge burnt down and now larry warren's living in an inner tube in the lake Oh, he's going tubing not bad something to do during the summertime What follows now is larry warren's version of the story which supposedly occurred the same night that charles halt Recorded the tape we heard in episode one. It starts off with there. I was with a 10-inch cock thick as the dickens You can't believe how big my dick was. I couldn't even wear pants. I had to go to the circus store and get elephant pants I was playing stickball with frank Sinatra and my best friend bobcat Oh, really? Wow

So warren claims that he was one of the guys assigned to take the spotlights into the forest on charles halt's orders And when they got through the forest and out into a field, however Warren said that he and 40 other men both american and british were faced with a pulsating glowing fog Remember so this is a remember just to set the scene a little bit right hold didn't everybody else were at dinner For their christmas celebration. It's like a reward ceremony. They're at dinner They got called guys came in and said it's back the ufo was back and they all left larry warren is saying he was out there with that original crew That saw these lights and then saw it with everybody else

But they say that they don't remember and now this he still may have been there because we don't remember a group of 40 people Yeah, he could he very much was there. Okay, so he was there. Yeah, okay sure But he said as him and the other guys saw a pulsating glowing fog The tranquility was broken by a voice over the radio The voice said quote Here it comes Here it comes Did he say here it comes here it comes like he was indeed speaking to the head of his penis. What happened?

Here it comes I'm gonna shoot these orbs all over your fucking back you fucking dirty you dirty air force bitch All right. Well, it sounds like a deleted nixon tape there. That's very good. So here it comes here it comes Okay, no, I don't think Henry. I don't think they said it like they were orgasming but maybe I don't know actually That's how I would have said it. I know how you would have said it And in a second a small red ball of light came flying at high speed from the coast And hovered in the field right above the glowing fog then exploded with a flash of light so bright It hurt warren's eyes or so he said

And when warren looked again, he saw that the ball had been replaced with the craft 30 feet across and 20 feet high. Oh, that's much larger than the scale previously talked about much This is a different craft altogether than the craft that jim penis town saw. This was a craft that is he is adding to a story That is not real. Okay Yeah, warren said that the craft he supposedly saw was pearl white and pyramid shape with a few blue lights on the underside In addition to that warren said the thing was translucent and he could see Indistinct floating figures inside and at that point warren said halt or another guy Step forward and began speaking with the figures inside

Warren couldn't hear everything they were saying, but he said he definitely heard phrases like electronics division and apart from another world Whoa, it's the AV squad from space They're there to set up the monitors so that you guys can watch like when we used to watch willy wonka when our sub was in Of course So he heard two things that were very on the nose But I will say honestly

I we talked about a little bit last time about how intelligences like if we're poking through the the universe right if the universe of intelligence poked through the universe into our Brains and creating these visions. It's quite possible that he saw these things And the problem is that everything else does not connect whatsoever, which we'll we'll get into Yeah, nobody else saw any of these things, but people did say that they saw something. Yes So that's what makes this interesting. That's not as if they're like denying seed anything. Yeah, no Well to warren The electronics division stuff suggested that the spacecraft was damaged and the aliens were looking for repairs as per the agreement

Between the aliens and the government signed so long ago the grenade a treaty Yeah, it was at this point that warren and the other men were ordered to leave the area Almost immediately after though warren and the others went through a rough debrief In which they were all scanned with the geiger counter. That was the third scene in boob camp. Yeah The rough debriefing. Yeah Oh, then larry warren who at the time was a kid who had only been in the air force proper for a couple of weeks Harry warren claims that he was shown explicit videos of ufo's and was told that there was an alien presence on earth That the government worked with basically they did the thing

With that they do in movies where they were like we can tell there's something special about you private larry warren So come with us into this back area, which is all in the book left at east gate I do please read it because it's a fun trip down a rabbit hole But he the basically they sat him in a conference room with two other guys Whoever wrote men in black. I think it was barry sonnenfeld stole all of this from this fucking book They sat in a office where they sat and watched a video where first he's like it was a guy in a suit Civilian clothes came in and he turned on a tv the fucking the electronics division right pulled in a fucking pa system Like a tv on the stand like they used to have remember of and they rolled it in and he showed a video that first was like

It was a picture of the washington monument ufo comes in from the left side of the screen hovers next to the washington monument the guy in civilian clothes like Hmm, huh like pointing at the tv right then picture vietnam. It's like literally like oh lord watch here Like it's a scene of this ufo rises out of a swamp in vietnam and shoots off into space Picture the pyramids Fucking video comes to the side and larry warren's hanging out this whole time being like what am i supposed to learn from this and like Okay, this is what we're going to show you you keep this all secret right you're going to keep all what you just saw secret

And now you either get fired from the government right now. Uh-oh you pay a 300 dollar fine And he just was like i'll take the fine I'll do the fine and then later and he just made the fine then he left being like wow And then he said that he um drank a six pack of beer and went over to the girls camp Like it was a summer movie that they swam across the lake to the girls camp Were there are girls hanging out all night and he said he got too drunk to fucking slept in a car Very interesting. I think you are forgetting the moment where he did say after the showing of the video He says you know the difference between me and you i make this look good

He did say that And when larry asked what would happen if the witnesses were to tell anybody else about this new information They'd inexplicably been given this burden this burden of the ultimate truth that you gave to four privates for no reason They were supposedly and infamously told quote Bullets are cheap What does that uh, what does that mean exactly? I are we talking about the price of bullets? Have they gone up or have they gone? Is this what is the point of that sentence? Bullets are on sale is what i'm saying the bullets are on sale. They're actually on sale

This is a flyer. You actually could take this coupon into bullet town So that you can go go get as many bullets. They have nine bullets for seven nine bullets for seven That's great. I thought at first it was a threat the way that you said bullets were cheap, but it is a sale It was a sale It's a sale I just tried to pep it up because my ad sponsor guys are just up my asshole about my reeds They want me to put my my own my own spin my own personality in the reeds. Yeah, but this story is interesting because bullets are cheap It becomes the mantra behind

This whole thing goes and it's all from larry war inside of the story This idea that the u.s. Government was really going to try to kill these people We're actually I thought it's more of us the the penis town and burrow's story Just a bit peniston stop calling him penis town. I wish I could now it's stuck in there now Honestly, he has a fan mandate to call him penis down fan mandate one guy fucking send him a DM on twitter. I don't know It's true, but no to penison penison. I'll go back to being mature penison and burrows. They were Softy briefed. Oh, they were not given the hardcore. They weren't threatened with violence They just assumed that all of this would die a natural heat death of a UFO story

Where it would just kind of lose fuel and go away. Okay, so they were they were showtimes Um red shoe diaries. Yeah debriefed and the other ones were just like kink dot com debriefed. Yeah, okay I get it Now despite this thread about bullets being cheap warren was pretty damn loose lipped with the story Oh, but yeah, according to him. He did. There were some consequences to all this years later He said that he was kidnapped by the men in black and taken all the way back to england to an underground facility Beneath the air force base where the sighting happened where he was quote-unquote Interrogated and again in a scene from men in black. He was put in these giant

chairs Literally just like the scene when he has to fill out the paperwork and will smith came to it Is that room that he was put in and then they came in and interrogated him again So any evidence of this? Yeah, was there any evidence that he was taken by the men in black over to europe? All obviously a gross fabrication. Okay. Yeah. In fact, this isn't even the original form of the story The story kept changing over the years The warren is even admitted that part of this story came from adrian bastenza who actually did have an encounter with burrows During the second night. He was the guy that was driving the jeep when the ufo came down and checked out burrows

He's like what happens on instagram now where they just copy a bunch of other people's work. Yeah, i'm an aggregator of ideas I'm not stealing ideas. I'm an aggregator. I'm a ufo curator Right, that's what this is, but I could there's a part of me that I want to believe one half of the story And I always like when things go to planet xenon. I love the story about dolce base I love all of these these stories the problem is is that this is This is the type of thing that ruins the party for everybody Yeah, this is the type of the him lumping in all of these things into the story because he was the first one out the door To tell the rendelship forest incident story. It it it just fucks up the party for everybody else

He's the poop in the punch bowl as they say And warren's lies actually Just broke the heart of one poor uo ufologist peter robbins who is the co-author of left at east gate his name is really peter robbins His name is really peter robbins He had to write what must have been a humiliating mea culpa Apologizing for believing and working with warren for so many years. These guys had like a 28 year relationship

Yeah, and it just happened the left at east gate actually was just finally taken out of print Because and the main thing that drove the split of their relationship was that Larry warren photoshopped himself in pictures with john lennon because john lennon was his favorite and stevie ray von And they have series of pictures them together where then he went on to sell fake versions of memorabilia from john lennon And stevie ray von like stevie ray von's like shoes Yeah, and then he said that he got a pair of glasses from may pang The the girlfriend in between when when he broke when john lennon broke up with yoko for a hot second and he was with may pang May pang had a pair of his glasses apparently and like let him wear it and the may pang was just like

He didn't get any fucking glasses for me and larry water larry warren was trying to sell him at southern bees for 20 grand Yeah, and really and he actually did get part of his stevie ray von memorabilia through christies Uh, like he was able to sell it at christies, but christies after a very short investigation had to refund the I think seven thousand dollars that some dude paid for what was supposed to be Uh, stevie ray von's guitar and i think a hat because you know stevie ray von always wore those fun hats Of course He wore the fun hats because he was he was the type of ball that i'll get when i start wearing my fun hats He also sold a mason jar of of jaleel white's breath

Really? That was weird. It sold for 17 dollars to a man on the street No kidding. No kidding. Love you. Love jaleel. Come back to us, mr. White Uh and the blog post that peter robbins wrote which was strangely published on a blog called infomaniac housewife You gotta trust it. You have to trust it in that blog post peter robbins described larry warren as the best liar He ever met and even proclaimed that he had ended his facebook friendship with warren as of january 3rd 2017 which also Ended their real friendship. It's complicated. Yeah, well all of this well

It was recreated the infomaniac housewife was obsessed with larry warren and his lies And it was actually reposted for peter robbins facebook page. This is what i'm talking about man. This is facebook Drama that has been plaguing the ufo world for fucking decades I mean wouldn't it be easy to tell if it's not stevie ray Uh ray vaughn's hat though like if it doesn't smell like black licorice booze and just overall dandruff cocaine Yeah, because stevie ray vaughn is the most impressive cocaine uncle that ever lived and larry warren is right with him Like larry warren the two of them together

Like you saw the the photoshop picture of them together It does look like your uncle larry's awful 40 second birthday party that you were forced to go to but they were just in and out of the bathroom There's fucking covered in sweat talking about how they're gonna open up a bowling theme bar together I think that's just called a bowling alley. Um, mr. Warren. Yeah, man fucking. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly it Yeah, we called the bowling out. We already have foot the thing. Yeah. Yes But we already have three of those in town. Do you think that we're gonna need another? No, there's no bowling at ours There's no bowling, but it's no man. You got big bowl seats. Right look at it. We got long thin food Right, that's what we got to do. Yeah any any concern that the food any concern the clientele is going to be immediately disappointed

When they came to bowl, but they don't fucking get it, dude. Okay. They don't get it, dude. Let's open it up Well, the thing is the damage larry warren did to this whole story wasn't just the reputation of peter robbins peter robbins honestly seems like a sweet and very Sincere man like I genuinely feel for him, but warren did immeasurable damage to the credibility of the story His bullets are cheap line has plagued this story for years because skeptics rightly if not pedantically Point out that maybe bullets are a lot more expensive than the spooks claim Because there's no shortage of people involved in the incident talking about rendition This is not about the price of bullets, but honestly at christmas time they raise the price of bullets

And then they say they're cheap because they put a sale But that actually just brings the price down to the regular price of bullets Have you shopped for bullets around christmas time? How would you know that piece of information? Yeah, I do every fucking year I at least look at least just look at the prices But that's why the whole perspective may not be the book that you want But it's the book that you deserve the rendition incident And you should try to force it in your mind if you ever want to fucking consider yourself a even an amateur Euphologeist

Wow But there's no shortage of possible explanations coming from skeptics when it comes to explaining away the incident at rindle shim A few of which we will address right now. All right The prevailing theory that we've been hearing again and again from people is that this whole thing Which occurred at one of the most sensitive and heavily armed nato bases in europe was just a big elaborate prank that got out of hand Really? The story we keep here and comes from 2003 published in that stalwart of journalistic integrity the daily mail I was gonna jokingly say the daily mail

They reported that kevin kondi a former united states air force policeman was responsible for the whole thing Because kondi told the daily mail that he caused the whole incident by driving down the taxiway in his car With a spotlight covered in red and green lenses Then just drove around in circles in a foggy field with a loudspeaker going and then just turned off the lights And drove away and that was rindle shim, okay? He said he'd pretty much forgotten about this prank until he saw the rindle shim Story on a site for ex-military personnel and he put two and two together and he's like oh shit I didn't know that my prank caused such a huge stink and we're not saying that kondi didn't actually do this dumb as fuck prank I don't even fully get the prank. I really don't honestly fully understand the prank

He just drove around the prank was that some guy was always seeing lights or something like that And so he decided he was oh i'm gonna make a UFO so he put red and he put a bunch of lights on his car And a loudspeaker playing woo wee woo noises and drove around in a circle And you know he's just eating cheese sandwich just tooting up this car just be like i'm an unidentified farting object Oh, they won't even get the joke because i'm alone in this car But it's highly unlikely that 80 air force personnel would have confused kondi's fucking pinto Drive around in circles with a ufo in the sky because there are people even joke on the military and their ability to be observant I mean honestly even that's that's a lot

Stomach yeah, and what are you saying sounds a lot more like larry warren's version of events anyway Because he said he was driving around in a fog and larry warren was saying there's a whole bunch of fog and blah blah blah Okay, but furthermore all the dudes who were involved in this incident like uh halt and penniston Uh and burrows they all knew kevin kondi and while they would not put it past him to do something like this Kondi wasn't on duty on either of the nights in question And if he did do this prank he did it a few nights later So he might have done this and just no one really paid attention It's a lot of work for a very little payoff

It really is especially also the other official story of a possible prank. We're in 2018 dr. David clark He basically said that it was supposed to be a sas prank where the usaf beat up a bunch of sas troops That had tried to deal with their their security perimeter try to like fuck with their security perimeter and then as a as retribution for beating up these troops the sas Created a it was the a December approach lights and colored flares were rigged in the woods black helium balloons were also Coupled to remote controlled kites to carry suspended materials into the sky activated by radio controls Which seems to be a lot of work

Yeah, isn't our military supposed to not just be like i don't know kevin from home alone Just setting up random pranks all around. I don't know. Yeah, and also aren't they supposed to be protecting our nukes. It was also Uh discovered that that uh claim was someone had said wouldn't it be cool if we had done all of this stuff Honestly, it would be cool. It would be kind of cool. I mean, I don't know I mean the sas. There's some of the biggest military badasses in the entire world And yeah, I guess they could do that

But it was a guy saying like wouldn't it be cool if we had done that and then the story got picked up and ran with It just doesn't they did that it doesn't seem like the movies are accurate. There is no robin williams There is no john candy and stripes. There is no humorous in the military No, just these big old beefcake guys trying to wait a second. It's not Wasn't dav berry in the military? So in fact there was and I believe mark twain was a tickler for the u.s. Army, right? Well, but mark twain is not a comedian. I think louis. He's a humorous the famous humorous louis grizzard I think he was in the army. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah

Rob wriggle Rob wriggle. All right. I know that one. He was a marine. He was he needs very funny. He is very funny I like okay fine. I stand corrected. Well another explanation put forth came out in 2009 from an ip switch man named peter turtle Yeah, totally Turtling out for you. I'll never I'll always remember. I love danik I've just rewatched wanes world and wanes world too danik carvey is just the best. I love that movie He's brilliant both those movies well turtle who has been described kindly as a quote-unquote local character Yeah, the local character is also like get kids get over here

Whenever you see him a turtle said that what those guys really saw was him and a buddy pulling a truck full of fertilizer Through the forest. That was my shit duty. Oh my body. We were going to go dragging the shades You know I gotta say your little ball be certainly getting taller But no one I mean no one described this event as if it smelled like uh, you know one of those Uh, what's the name of the fun juggalo concerts? Uh the gathering the gathering it didn't smell like no I'm not demeaning them, but do not mean I'm not 30 percent of our listener base is probably juggalo Well, then they will understand the statement

The outhouses around a juggalo event Are very they're very you they're very fertile. It's very fertile Um, so I'm assuming they would have smelled a boat a boatload of shit Oh, that's the thing is it turtle said that he was driving the truck full of fertilizer down the road Close to the bases when the truck broke down and as turtle sat there reflecting on the situation He realized that the fertilizer had probably been stolen So you see they've been stolen or I lost it and I've never lost a shit in my life Because you know what you gotta look for isn't it totally just cut to people someone looking like chris farley from uh,

Billy madison when he stole all the sandwiches, but instead he's just eaten all this shit Someone left all this whole truck full of chocolate. They laughed it for me So after turtle realized that the fertilizer was probably stolen He and a friend towed the truck into renal shem forest and set the whole thing on fire And in an attempt to destroy the evidence and it was from this big pile of burning shit that all the pretty colors were made I mean, it was one of the better s'mores. I've ever had you wouldn't think that shit would make such a tasty Tasty roasted marshmallow, but it really does It I mean so far this holds up. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense

Now even though this explanation is obviously dumb because I'm sure both penniston and burrows Knew the difference between a ufo and a pile of literal shit on fire Even though yes, those guys knew the difference. I know I know yeah This story still made it into three national newspapers in the uk. What do they got daily mail? What's the other ones? Do we know the sun the mirror? Oh, yeah Yeah, I think those are what maybe those are from tv shows, but I think it is funny that they're named after things That you shouldn't look at like the sun and if you look like me the mirror Um, I yeah, maybe people shouldn't be reading those. I look in a mirror once every like three days

Yeah, that's scary though. I feel like I mean you can look at a mirror. I mean you don't look bad No, I know, but I just don't think about I don't feel the need to yeah I would go through life without a mirror. I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah, I rarely go outside. Yeah Well, this is this is a lot. There's a lot being revealed So discounting any human activity on the ground we must now turn to what was seen in the skies Now while it is true that meteor activity was present on the night of the 26th Those meteors were only seen for a few seconds according to the boys The lights they saw were long and sustained

Another possible explanation is that a soviet rocket reentering the atmosphere may have been the object seen in the sky But this would have appeared as a fireworks display moving slowly in straight lines Which again doesn't match up with any of the reports It remember it sort of matches up with the later reports after the after the craft took off after Penis and and them saw the craft hover up out. They said later on they saw Hemispheres of light in the sky that it could have been that then but sure, you know, but anyway But this event also occurred hours before the sighting. Okay Now concerning the craft on the ground itself

Some think that it could have been part of a training mission the description of the object resembles a boilerplate command module Which from the outside resembles the Apollo command module used in the lunar landings Okay Some think it could have been dropped by accident in the middle of the forest while others think again It could be a prank, but this command module weighs 9,000 pounds Which means whoever it was behind the prank or the accident would have had to use a gigantic Helicopter that means that the witnesses would have seen and heard said helicopter And there's no way a helicopter could have silently taken the object out of the clearing at the speed

Impossible manner that peniston reported unless the men and black did it because they have their silent black helicopters but that seems to be an american thing and I think that maybe the men and black were busy training will smith I know it to be the cockiest newest member at the time So they couldn't have been in two places. No, absolutely not. Is it possible that they went for like Beef cake paul bearers that were just like real strong. They could scuttle scuttle scuttle really really fast You carry something 9,000 pounds. Okay. Yeah, it's possible to have a bunch of nude strongmen out in the deep forests of regal shim At your beck and call right. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Like you're the real what's his name the skull man

From the skeleton like you view the real skeleton. Yes, of course and this still stands by the way when I die Uh, Marcus and Henry are my paul bearers. We're not doing the pussy approach with the wheels I know you guys are gonna be forced to carry me. Just let you know we'll drag you'll drag your cough Is it just the two of us? No, I might allow holden, but holden's just gonna weigh you guys down even further. Yeah Yeah, he's a whole plan. Yeah. Oh my god. Holden is gonna pretend Then of course, there's the infamous lighthouse Now we addressed the lighthouse briefly on the last episode, but it's worth examining further the source of this explanation was a local forester named

Vince Thurkettle And I'm only as high as your knee And I live inside a flower You know, I like grunting wishes to little boys that find me. Oh, that's great See when the rendle shrimp story first broke in the uk press Reporters descended upon the area and spoke to whoever was willing in order to find their scoop because everyone wanted the scoop Everyone wants a scoop and it was Thurkettle who suggested the lighthouse as an explanation But there are problems with this

And as we said last episode the witnesses were most likely familiar with the lighthouse And when you read the full statements from the first night that fact is confirmed Many of the witnesses actually used the lighthouse beacon as a point of reference. Well, that's what it's for Yeah, as in like the light was on our left while the beacon was to the right All most of the witnesses used that lighthouse as a point of reference But to be fair There were no official statements taken from the second night where the lighthouse really would have been in view But this at the very least

Establishes that men stationed at Bentwaters Woodbridge were familiar with the landmark right Furthermore, the actual lighthouse keeper himself does not Support this theory. Really? This is what he said Oh, no, what more lighthouse look like from the forest? I've seen it in all weathers It just could not do with those airmen and local people describe the UFO as doing That's the lighthouse gonna lock me daughter Which is why I never let it go to sleep. That's the that's the plot of the ring

Isn't that just the plot of the ring the daughter But I guess that's the more the mother so so this guy hangs out in the lighthouse all day That's his only all day. That's what a lighthouse keeper. Do they sleep in the lighthouse? Uh, sometimes, you know what? I guess it depends on the lighthouse keeper It wouldn't be that bad if you had a little house in the lighthouse and you just go up to work But my god, that's gotta be an interesting job. I think the house is in the bottom. Yeah, right? Yeah I think it might be in the bottom I also think that a true lighthouse keeper would never leave because and it's supposed to keep the ships safe

You're not supposed to have a family You're supposed to be the loneliest man in the world who only loves one light and you love boats That's it. Yeah, you don't care about anything else You find a woman who wants to marry a lighthouse keeper and live out by the sea I love it until she dies horribly in a boat accident Or killed by the government and then you become the the light keeper Which is just a renegade do which is the gun and the law on somebody else's side. That's sad All right, interesting life. I might do that one day. Let's do it. Yeah, you know what?

That's a nice third act for you. Yeah, I love it I do actually want to retire on the beach, which is so ironic because I hate being naked or even in a bathing suit Yeah an isolated beach Yeah A lot of getting revealed a lot of getting accidentally revealed today. Oh, you know, you didn't know that we've had a lot of conversations about that Yeah, oh no I've he was a highly resident reticent to put on any sort of bathing suit to the point where we were in the beautiful beaches of Italy where Kissel just cut the legs off of his jeans and wore a full clothes into the beautiful sea

And then try to climb on the side of a rocky beachfront in order to take a shit in front of a nice restaurant In ocean In the water thing again, you did that when we went camping once you took a shit in the river Okay, first of all, no, I did that on the rocks away from the people You were it was a 360 degree view. No, I wouldn't do the Listen you little I did have a beer that entire time though, and I didn't lose it until the very end Now strangely some of the explanations that try to uh, I guess make this whole thing a

Rational event are even more outlandish than say aliens Oh, okay, some people have suggested that the u.s. Government was using an experimental ghost gun To project the images and couple that with hallucinogenic drugs in the water supply as a kind of I don't know like training exercise Interesting that would be cool though if it was true. Yeah, usually they don't put drugs in the water supply They just let it get poisoned by corporations Now this one might be the dumbest one of all now while we do know that the government has definitely experimented with hallucinogens in the past It's impossible to think they would introduce such a thing into a base armed with nuclear weapons

That's a good point. Yeah, maybe tripping them out on acid isn't a good idea I don't know, but I feel like maybe isn't that the ultimate ultimate test If they could still keep doing their jobs and our government was just Mysterio our government literally was just a spider-man villain I guess and while the government was also known to have drug soldiers without letting them know what they were doing Edward they did that for what months at a time That was done in a highly controlled environment far away from even live rounds much less the atomic fucking bomb Yeah, I mean unless they called it like operation lord of the flies with adults

It doesn't make much sense. The only somewhat plausible explanation is that whatever boroughs and peniston saw Was possibly some sort of experimental soviet craft Now, of course if this was the case the soviets wouldn't claim it because that might set off world war three Right, of course the uk and the us couldn't have called out the soviet union because that would be a huge embarrassment If the soviets had been able to so easily penetrate joint airspace And it's possible that the strange symbols peniston saw were actually Cyrillic russian writing and peniston either didn't recognize it It was too dumbfounded by the craft to really think straight This is by far the most straightforward if there was going to be a thing that wasn't what they saw or some some other entity

That makes it does make a lot of sense. Yeah, but even that explanation is a pretty far cry from reality Now, it's true that the soviets did accomplish many technological feats in the 50s and 60s They had the first satellite and they were able to put the first living thing in orbit even though they killed that poor dog It was a dog. Yeah, like that dog was with the dog was barking out state secrets That's why I got killed But something of this magnitude was nowhere near the capabilities of the soviets in the 80s Who by that time were so broke they were using the same tanks over and over again in propaganda films with different paint jobs To bolster their false image of military superiority

But you know, that's what's so fun for their sixth grade classrooms when they're making paper mache icbm And they're just like this is going to be in the parade That honestly would be such a fun way. That's a fun way to do school and weapons construction Um, there is one I have one explanation that I wonder what it is, right? I I kind of have this this thought that the reason why ufo is in the military mix so often is because What if it is indeed an intelligence that has sort of a psychic connection to us and uses us as sort of like an anchor To portray ourselves or like Jacques Vallée says they use imagery from our own minds in order to Attempt to communicate they're attempting to communicate some say they are trying to quote unquote teach us

But maybe it's more they are just trying to say Can can we bridge this gap? Is there a way for us to speak to each other? What if there is an intelligence that reaches through our bullshit and the reason why Foo fighters and all these things exist to the military and the reason why Jim Peniston Saw a craft shaped thing And we see these so often is because it's literally almost a not a trickster. They are imitating us They look at us and they they see these things and they're like they fly these things around This is their this is their military. What if we?

Ape these things. What if we mimic them to try to show see we understand You've got planes like this that have stuff on the side. You have this you do this you fly in formation You do these things. We're doing it too to show you that we're alike kind of reading this book called us Uh, please called semiology by sue berk that talks about this plant a psychic plant trying to communicate with people By trying to bridge a gap by showing communication Yeah, I actually had a guy at uh in the bar the other night try to drunkenly Explain that book to me as well. It's it sounded nice. Yeah Semiology by by sue berk and is like the is the is the the little uh tagline like how to get your wife to divorce you in

30 days Oh, no, it's called semiosis semiosis by sue berk All right, cool. I know it is very it's there's a part of it. It's very interesting But this is then I wonder because this is why this next little bit Might be indicative of that theory. All right. Let's get to that and very well could be because The explanation that it could have been a soviet craft. Mm-hmm does not address The binary code, of course it doesn't Of course it doesn't watson

This is the part of this story that was hidden until 2010 hidden by jim peniston That believes he did communicate with this craft. Awesome. Okay, cool. Yeah, he had been keeping a gigantic part of the story to himself for decades Why because he had no idea what he was sitting on According to peniston a couple of days after the incident He found his thoughts were crowded by a series of numbers ones and zeros Was reprieve repeating over and over again. I didn't know binary code from nothing I didn't know it from nothing. You are to describe me with binary code as you tell me if you know what it is

Meteor League and I've done it. I'm not channeled the 80s. I'm not channeled the 80s Mr. Ben is the only way how he speaks for hours. He does not speak like a drunk cajun He is a gentleman. I'm telling you something else Can't wait to get uh, can't wait to get out to new orleans actually. Oh, yeah Is accents making me desire to go to new orleans. Oh, yeah. Well since peniston was not able to get those ones and zeros Out of his head. He wasn't able to make it stop He wrote the numbers down And then after he wrote the numbers down filling 12 pages worth just with the numbers with just zeros and ones

12 pages of zeros and one Geez it stopped and he kind of forgot about it because it was so much going on at the time that the zeros and ones He's like, well, that was just a small part of it. I have no fucking clue what that means So i'm not going to talk about it. So he went he just thought it was garbage He thought it was like mental like just kind of side effects or whatever it was that he saw So apparently when he touched the symbols on the side of the craft He said it felt like again. It was like rough cut inside of smooth glass He's like little rough cut areas like laser cut

But when he touched the main symbol on top, which was the triangle with two circles on either one of the points He felt this thing zapping to his brain. These these the ones in nearly one zeros But he just thought it was just kind of like a some kind of side effect of what he was dealing with And he kept this little notebook that had the drawings of the symbols that had the Original descriptions of the craft and he would bring them to conferences every once in a while because he didn't like showing it to people Because it was like his secret shit It was his proof that I saw the thing and so finally someone was like going through the notebook and we're like, what is this? Shit, he's like this is like a weird message that the craft kind of did sent me out

And I don't know what it is and this person a millennial was like this is binary code now, of course All of this is completely and totally dependent on whether or not you believe peniston and whether or not you believe the people involved Of course, we had our employee michelle check the code because she just took a class in binary code She got a b She is doing actually that was the only she got all a's We have a lot of really smart employees. She got a's she got a's and everything except for the b She got a b plus in that b plus is still pretty good. That's better than me. I got a incomplete

I didn't go to school. Well, I couldn't pass math. Oh 90 which technically wasn't even worth the college credit I took three tutors to get me through college algebra. You know the best tutor was who my drug dealer. No Really wasn't because they were giving you a bunch of Adderall No, I bought Adderall from a different person. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, this is my weed dealer. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah Yeah, very smart dude. That's great. But the thing is our employee michelle Says that the code is legit. Okay So when the 12 pages of code were translated to text, it was discovered that whatever was in the craft had downloaded words and Coordinates directly into peniston's brain. The message begins with the phrase

quote exploration of humanity It then lists the coordinates of a place called high brazil Now, we're not talking about brazil the country here What this was pointing to directly was actually a mythical island off the western coast of ireland Which appeared on maps as far back as 1325 and as late as 15 95 Although that doesn't really prove anything other than that the cartographers decided it should be there. Okay Supposedly this place was a kind of irish atlantis We covered it in piss that's why you disappeared and just ended at 40 feet of piss

Can't wait to see y'all in Dublin by the way. Really excited Well, this irish atlantis is said to be constantly hidden in mist with the exception of a single day every seven years And it's visible on that day, but still it cannot be reached. It's brigadune. Yeah, it's also isn't it black panther What's the name of the place? No, no, no Wakanda is totally different. Wakanda is hidden by uh technological means Oh, okay. Yeah, but a sea captain named john nisbet claimed to have reached high brazil in 1674 And he said that he and his crew were met by a wizard who lived alone in a large stone castle Surrounded by black rabbits big black rabbits. That's awesome. That's such a fucking cool fucking visual, dude What a prograc album that is

Coming to the castle riding a big fucking weird fierce rabbit Oh, that's cool. Well, the message downloaded into peniston's brain continued after the coordinates to high brazil it said quote Continuous for planetary advan period fourth coordinate continuous uqf cbpr The things were lost in translation Yeah, a couple of things were lost in translation But regardless the message continued to give coordinates after that the next coordinates Caracal Belize, which was a well-known site of Mayan runes It then gave the coordinates of Sedona, Arizona, which is Sedona Sedona, which is we all know. I mean, that's that's crystal

That's crystal palace right there. Yeah, get it witch. That's the land of fucking quartz in this country. Oh, that's crazy Yeah, it also listed the coordinates for the great pyramid of Giza Mount Tai in china the Nazca lines in Peru and the temple of Apollo in Greece Didn't Milwaukee didn't make the list, huh? No, I didn't go to the it didn't go to the schlitz brewery In other words, this message is a veritable buffet of ancient alien sites. That's so cool It then closes with these three lines Eyes of your eyes origin high brazil

origin year 80 100 And then it just stops Whoa, so this is I am ignorant on this. So this is this is how they translated the binary code They translated the binary the zero one zero zero one zero one zero zero one They were able to translate that binary code into text How michelle tried explaining it to me and I did not understand. It seems really hard Okay

Interesting and you know, this is all dependent on your belief of jim peniston Now, but did peniston he wasn't there for computer sciences, right? No, like so this was just him being like I have no idea what the hell i'm writing down It's like when you start out being a comedian and you start to write jokes out and then you look at him the next day And you're like, yeah wheels are around. What was the joke? Yeah, why did I write this? What the fuck is wrong with me now? You write this in a blackout? No, he is I this is one of those parts of the story that you either believe it or not. I I think it's highly interesting. I think the fact of the binary code

I think that'd be different if he wrote down a bunch of numbers and then it meant nothing and then they of course If they did and then it would you just be like, all right, you tried good work You know, I mean like you try to put this together whatever but they they carbon dated the actual notebook And they said it was genuine. He did write it at the time really Um, and so they he did show that uh, he didn't know what binary code was and I believe him that he has no clue And the fact that it even worked out to this is pretty interesting That is awesome. So this is by far the most Um, tangible evidence we have. Oh, yeah. Oh, I guess so. I mean, I don't know. I mean, it is it is not really tangible

Yeah, it technically is still not tangible because it just comes from the mind of jim peniston And it it's sort of vaguely refers to these ufos as not as actual nuts and bolts time traveling human beings from the age 8100 that is very cool. I'm just saying it's tangible from the sense. We have a carbon date on the paper So we know that he wrote it down then and yeah, I mean employee michelle still thinks that they got this from the 2007 Transformers movie. She's a skeptic. Okay, sure much so as I'm sure a lot of our listeners are out there But this binary code stuff. It's still one of the coolest ufo stories around All right I mean, honestly, it is absolutely and I think it's highly highly compelling

Because even if we put this together that's a lot of work Yeah for a man to then have to get a binary code book out And figure out how to put first of all coordinate all of these things figure out how to put all the ancient alien stuff together Create a whole backstory. He should just write sci-fi. Yeah. Okay. All right So in conclusion, well, we don't necessarily believe that it was definitely aliens who visited rindlesham forest back in christmas of 1980 We do believe that something beyond our current understanding did occur But what with all the ufo disclosure that's been happening recently with the navy It could very well be that we're closer to an answer for what's happening with ufo's in the military now

Then we've ever been and if it all turns out to be burning piles of cow shit So be it. So be this binary code spells out uh smells like dookie smells like cow is well fed Smells like burning shit I want to I actually received a letter from a listener that has a quote in it that I actually would like to I think Applies to this and I think it's very interesting at tofer m4 is the twitter handle of the man who said this to me The quote is cosmic lore is absolutely ruthless and highly indifferent. It teaches its lessons whether you like them or not Whoa. All right, rendlesham. Very good. That was awesome. I think this is probably the I love all of these alien stories I love the couple in florida the guy in the white and tidy whitey is freaking out doing his ninja moves

but this is um Because it's all military and because we got this binary code thing. This seems like the best A piece of evidence so far that we've covered and I'll tell you what these guys Up to a certain point again ufology ruins lives You don't make money in ufology. These guys really didn't make money in ufology, but you see Halt and penis and specifically it changed their entire lives these touches the touches with the unknown Does a thing to the human psyche and we always how many times do we say this? Do you have to be crazy to see ufos or do ufos make you crazy?

I don't know. I don't know what I don't know with the chicken and eggs How many times do we say that Henry we we talk about it a lot every single time like are you a crazy person because you're seeing ufos Or do they only communicate with crazy people or does it see or do you see it? And then you could never go back right like once you could ufo you never do it no moe With anything else right and so you want something like the whole perspective because no one's buying a whole perspective No, no one wants this in their home. I had to take this out of my home to put in the office I was asked gently by Natalie being like it's just taking up like a lot of room On the on the coffee table if you could like move it to the office and I was like you're correct

That's an office book put that on the back of the toilet let everyone Thumb through it with their hopefully clean hands and they can learn a little bit while they do their business Um, awesome. Well speaking of once in a lifetime experiences and things that will change you forever our live show is so much fun Oh, yeah, and we are super excited to see everyone in australia again Perth come on out guys. That's going to be the first stop on the tour I think we'll be there a couple of days early right because we gotta fly in a little bit early Yeah, um, so we're gonna hang out in Perth. I cannot wait And who knows who knows when the fuck we're gonna come back to australia

I I'm treating this as a once-in-a-lifetime just because honestly, you just never know. Um, so we just we don't know I'm so excited honestly Tips to do things in sydney. Please send our way. What's fun to do in sydney? Please send us. I I want to go see koalas I know we're gonna see some koalas at some point You're gonna come out. You're gonna come back without a nose Well, I've heard it. I've heard that Dave willis told me I think we talked about this Dave willis said that they they smell like big old nugs. Did I say that on the show? Yeah, you did I don't know. It seems like you're very excited about it. I want to give them a little kisses

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