Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 370: Bonnie and Clyde Part II - Give Me The Money Now

Episode Date: June 22, 2019

On the second part of our series, we cover the so-called good times of Bonnie and Clyde, from the many blunders of their early years in the Barrow Gang and the murders that occurred as a result of their actions to the shootout that made them famous.

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You're like fucking the the Barrow gang. I don't know. This is the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben love handles kissle and we got Marcus Parks over there See, you're not a love handles person not at all Zabrowski Henry Zabrowski. You're a love handles person also I would say it's more of like the straps these have in the subway. I love straps I kind of a love saddle on my back if you just if you were to ride my back you could grip the front of my belly to stay on me as I'm just Absolutely never ending story indeed us parks boys. We don't go out to the side. We go out front We get a big round outside. I always wanted that though. That's why you got it now

You know who inspired me you know who inspired me to lose weight though. Oh the big Lebowski the dude Oh, I always thought he was the perfect kind of fat, but you know what he doesn't have love handles Yeah, it's the jealous hard-working man's fat where they just get hard of the middle and their their back doesn't have that that that that the wings Which is unfortunate if you've never worked a hard day in your life such as myself All right, well now it's time for a total non sequitur segue into our topic today. Yeah, I will say again I'm looking at Marcus's eyes. Oh, I want to say again massacres are not cool And it's good to be in the same room with you as when you're saying that because I feel the sincerity. I I

I have changed I don't think any of the story is bad-ass Abandoned all structured life and just wanted to start get a Tommy gun from an old armory I don't even know if you can even do that anymore. Can you get a Tommy gun? I think we have much more powerful guns now. I want the Tommy gun. You can get the Tommy gun I'm sure yeah, you can get a Tommy gun. This is America my friend. You can get a Tommy gun. Yeah, absolutely But you can't get an abortion. Let's talk about it Everyone we are on to Bonnie and Clyde part two So when we last left Bonnie and Clyde Clyde was fresh out of Eastern Prison Farm

And it just formed his first real gang with fellow prisoner Ralph Fultz and Raymond Hamilton who is a guy that Barrow sort of knew but didn't really like why does every group of friends have that? Why do you have like a guy like who's that guy? It's like that guy Chris. I thought his name was Sam, right? I don't know is that is that a dude? You just need to have a friend that you just hate so you can get the lead out on someone every day I don't know. There's always a good you need to have a an access valve Well, you need to tell what a steam release friend. Yeah, you could you could all fit at no matter what and about

Group as a whole strong and then hopefully that friend is just constantly so blackout drunk Ironically, it makes him the greatest therapist of all time because he can't tell on you He can't remember what you said. Now, although this is the story of Bonnie and Clyde This is also the story of a gang Because there were only short periods where Bonnie and Clyde traveled alone and none of their major crimes were committed when it was Just the two of them. That's the stuff that I find really interesting I didn't I didn't truly understand that until I started getting into this this this era of history I mean like oh, they always had crews and the crews changed all the time

Yeah, right now the barrel game will go through many iterations over the following two years But out of all the criminal gangs operating in America during the Great Depression the barrel gang was small time Oh While the barrel gang was lucky to get 50 bucks in a take most of the time organizations like the Barker Karpus gang ran Operations that could net over $100,000 in profits like when they kidnapped the founder of Ham's brewery in Minnesota. No way They did not do that and you know that that guy wasn't quiet The only time kidnapping was a huge hassle for the Barkers was when they kidnapped a banker son named Edward Bremmer and the banker in

Question tried to haggle the price down Because he didn't like his son that much. Honestly, that is so like if you're the kidnapped kid just being like really Really dad, you can't pay a hundred bucks. You want you want 97 dollars to you Holden McNeely would get seventy-five dollars The people who stole Holden McNeely the people who kidnapped hold McNeely would pay us to take them back Then there was the Bailey under hill gang a.k.a. The tri-state terror. Oh, that's the best name yet It's a great name. They spent six months robbing banks in Arkansas, Kansas, and Oklahoma and averaged about $11,000 per score in 1930s money, which is about $216,000 in today's money

You also had the Holden Keating gang the Hunt Gantt gang. Nah Yeah, that just rules right off the tongue like a stumbling drum. It's an old game called hunt the Gantt Which is a Gantt is a giant ant My aunt Carol was almost six feet tall pushing 300 pounds her going through the forest You can always find by like the cascaded fight It's the the discarded slippers and the broken branches in the trees Honestly instead of iced tea if surviving the game was just them hunting their larger ants That would be the single greatest film of all time

You have the Kym's tarot gang the Brady gang and a particularly rough group of psychopaths known as the Flegel gang run by brothers Ralph and Jake Flegel I feel like having a silly name will make you more dangerous. Yeah, I agree or a hot chick Possibly I like the name Flegel though. Flegel's fine It's fun Now there are reasons why these men were forgotten as opposed to guys like John Dillinger pretty boy Floyd and baby face Nelson And part of it had to do with the fact that none of these guys had a hook. Oh Dillinger was good-looking baby face Nelson had a great nickname and was attached to Dillinger and pretty boy

Floyd had a great nickname and a great story which we'll cover in the future Oh, yeah, was he actually pretty you know, I don't he was fine No, who's I just have a question though. Who is assigning these nicknames? Is it like one of those things where it's like I want to be known like yesterday on the last room On the left. I was California Ben. Yeah, I made myself California Ben Did they give themselves his nicknames? I guess newspapers do it I know baby face Nelson was given his nickname because baby face Nelson would flip the fuck out if you called him baby Oh, he didn't like it hated it you psychopath the all these guys are psychopaths, which is fun

But I think a part of it It's more about an attitude and what the kind of the general consensus of society and the collective unconscious decides what your name is because it's that that he's pretty it's like Macho man Randy Savage, right? Right. I mean undoubtedly. He is manly. He's a macho be his macho, but in real life I'm certain he cried Apparently it was kind of a colossal pain of the ass Yeah, that's the overall theory there But perhaps a big reason why the guys mentioned before are forgotten is because there were just so many fucking gangs

Roaming America during the Great Depression and the Barrow Gang would have been one of those forgotten gangs If not for the addition of Bonnie. Yeah, it's like no doubt Seriously, no when Clyde first formed his gang The only thing he had on his mind was organizing a prison bust at Eastham farm But in order to do that they needed men and they couldn't recruit more men until they had guns I'm thinking about how serious this was because because Clyde was a Capital art at that prison so hard and committed his first murder there. It's the only thing he could think of This is going to be a running theme throughout their entire crime legacy

Which is being like how do we get back to fuck up Eastham prison? Yeah, absolutely Now that's not to say that these guys weren't armed from the very beginning back then fucking Everybody in Texas was armed at all times Yeah, according to Gwynn you could buy small caliber pistols and shotguns on street corners for a few dollars Much like an actual hot dog nitrates are a real danger The nitrates are gonna sink that Molly shit she needs to be the sausage cat queen of America But it's please it's hot dog ambassador. Yes. I'm sorry general hot dog ambassador All right, so you're talking about a time where everyone was armed in Texas, which I mean that's crazy

I mean then of course after Columbine when we outlawed all the guns remember that So it's so hard to get them nowadays Well, the problem with those guns that you bought on the street corner though Was that they were cheap and a cheap gun could jam and if that gun jam That could get you killed if you're using it in the commission of a crime So in order to get the high caliber guns needed to organize a prison break the Barrow gang needed money Hmm, and the Barrow gang's first attempt was a total and complete failure. Yeah You're not great

Practice makes perfect on March 25th 1932 the Barrow gang tried to rob the Sims oil refinery Just a block away from Clyde's father's service station They are literally like the house of a thousand corpses the dude who enters captain Spalding's place in the very beginning And he's like, what was his name? I forget the dude's name. He's like Earl. Is that you? But after they tied up all four employees the Barrow gang found that the safe was completely empty So Yeah, boys, you got it made boys we got it right here. Don't worry about that boys We got as much money as we can handle all right

Crack it a crack just the silence of four men staring at an empty safe midnight. Well, I guess I could always learn how to suck dick They're literally like Adam Sandler in airheads Well Clyde figured that the next best bet would be to rob a bank up in Minnesota far away from West Dallas Yeah far away from your father that might be a good idea But the closer to Minnesota They got the colder it was and at the last minute Clyde talented driver that he was surmise that trying to escape a bank robbery On icy roads was a really dumb idea because Clyde was if anything a Fantastic driver, okay?

He was the second best driver to Paul Walker and you know what it shows is that if you fly too close to the Sun sometimes You fucking kill a bunch of people in the stands You can you can absolutely RIP by the way, Paul Walker great actor. Yeah, he was what's he? He's a handsome man he was fine in varsity blues he's fine in it and he also was a good guy So the Barrow Gang turned back south and settled for a bank in Lawrence, Kansas So after checking into a hotel and case in the joint for a couple of days The Barrow Gang rushed the building with shotguns as the bank president was opening for business After the president emptied out the vault Barrow and Fultz locked the staff inside and joined Raymond Hamilton in the getaway car

Although this number is probably exaggerated Fultz later claimed that they got thirty three thousand dollars From this robbery worth about six hundred thousand dollars in today's money. Oh, that's a big one Mm-hmm. Now, I know this runs contrary to what I said earlier about the Barrow Gang being mostly unsuccessful because even at half That take even if hope Fultz was exaggerating $100,000 per dude's not a bad payday at all not at all But how they spent the money almost totally negates the amount they stole for reasons that will become clear later See Ralph Fultz knew a crooked palm broker in Dupoe, Illinois Who specialized in high-caliber weaponry and bulletproof vests now, of course everyone knows that the mayor of Dupoe, Illinois

Was a steam pressure pot That they had they put a little hat on it and everybody believed in it because he never told a lie But he also weirdly never told a truth because he never spoke So Fultz and Barrow spent their entire take on weapons for the prison break while Hamilton fucked off to Michigan Now personally Clyde wasn't that upset because he and Raymond never liked each other all that much Professionally though Clyde was gonna find out without Raymond Hamilton at his side. Clyde Barrow was a really shitty bank robber It's like you got to put up with the pippin man You got to have you got to have one of those guys kind of an asshole again this guy that everybody hates he's the steam release valve of

The entire friendship and the gang so everybody can bitch about him safely But he's also the only one who knows what he's doing. Yeah, so then he becomes kind of essential Yeah, you got to put up with him, but nevertheless the boys bought 45 caliber pistols Tommy guns and Bulletproof vests in Dupoe and started recruiting dude. It's like fucking dust bowl Isis Eventually they brought four dudes from Denton into the gang Johnny Russell Jack Hammett Ted Rogers and Buzz also He sounds like one of those experimental plane pilots Those guys were fucking they were had to be very nonchalant. Yeah, they were suicidal Well, all these dudes had done a little time and we're totally down with humiliating the administration at Eastham by organizing a chaotic prison break

And the plan was indeed chaotic, okay? They figured they'd shoot their way in give the guards weapons to the inmates and then get the hell out of there And every escapee would just be left to his own devices as far as how he's gonna get home Solid plan and to make it more chaotic. They were gonna drop a bunch of kazoos Everyone can pick one up play a kazoo have a little fun with it guys. It's crazy guys. Listen to me Okay, what if instead? What if we did a thing where we released a bunch of pies on spring and we said, oh, it's a fake tornado I'm hungry for key lime pie now. Mm-hmm. Remember when was the last of me had that about two weeks ago? No kid Mabel's okay

The only part of the plan that was specific in any way was Clyde's insistence that they get Aubrey Scaly out of there Scaly being the man who'd taken the heat when Clyde murdered his rapist with a lead pipe Hmm well despite the vagueness of the plan the new gang They were gung-ho and rechristened themselves the lake Dallas gang in honor of the nearby lake, okay? But they were about to discover a fatal flaw in the plan. Oh, man. There's no brains in our head Oh, there's no brains in there guys. This is this is definitely a problem because I am not for sure how I learned to eat Turns out the boys that got fucked in Dupoe. Yeah, a lot of boys got fucked in When they went out to Lake Dallas to test the new weapons and armor the gang found the bullets went right through the vests

And most of the guns wouldn't even fire and that's where they had spent all of their money Oh, man, man, you know what? It's never good when your bulletproof vest is a fish net You really want to make sure you got full coverage there full coverage It's very interesting to see because you are dealing with the criminal world, right? So you don't know whether or not you how do you find a trustworthy gun runner? How do you find these people that you can believe that are actually going to help you and it's not a double-cross and a double-cross and every single Everybody's wearing a wire and everybody's got code words for everything else So it was back to square one. Well first Clyde figured they'd need more guys

So Clyde Bonnie and Fultz headed up to Amarillo to try to recruit a few contacts that Fultz had Now it's important to note that Fultz like everyone who ever joined the Barrow gang didn't mind having Bonnie come along Honestly, it's really strange should not have the like oh, she's the Yoko of the group mentality where it's like they're super super Freighted in the middle of a bank robbery. She's just start going Like a horrible artistic siren. Well, you know, I mean it's art That's what that is and that might actually be a good thing Like sometimes when basketball coaches do that crazy thing where they're like one of our players is gonna get down on all fours and bark Like a dog to distract the other team. This actually has happened a few times. Why and it's worked. Nice. Yeah

So she could have done that. Well, almost everyone who was a part of the Barrow gang at one corner or another Loved Bonnie because in their opinion, she was articulate thoughtful witty most times good for morale and later on an active participant Well, I do wish we had a woman involved in this room I wish there it is nice to have woman in the gang because you got to have somebody that everybody else doesn't think it's gross You can put some nipples on my love handles So they had their own patty Hearst in some ways well shit no not patty Hearst because Bonnie was not tricked into coming She wasn't any sort of Kidnapping thing where she like learned to love it where she turned like Bonnie was fucking in

She knew exactly what she was doing and she knew what she wanted But she obviously was at the beginning of a learning curve. Oh, everybody else was already starting to do career criminal behavior where Clyde Kept saying you like, you know, you can get out of this. It's like, you don't have to calm well man Bow now you don't have to come and she's just like come on. You know, I'm good for So for a while you you just have to be like, I guess you're in the gang Well, you have to just accept her eventuality. I do love your really quite adorable interpretation of these mass murderers. I But the trip to Amarillo was a bust and the gang only found trouble north of Dallas on the way back They ran out of gas and they would have been stuck there if not for a mailman named Bill Owens

And when Owens stopped to offer help the gang pulled their guns took them hostage and they all drove off in Owens car They let Owens out a little down the road But Owens had a couple of requests one he'd appreciate it if they left him his mail bag because people need their mail They need their mail. I mean, honestly, I've met a lot of postal workers in starting doing this podcast And I really do believe in the honor of the postal service Sometimes they will just dump a bunch of Christmas gifts in a dumpster Which that did happen in New York several years in a row I there's really nothing better than every local news story around Christmas when they just show a bunch of Amazon delivery drivers punching boxes

Get it man. You learn to hate a box and also those Amazon boxes. They're smiling at you You're just doing that 13 hours a day. Meanwhile, your kids are out there be like But Owens had one more request he would also appreciate it if the barrow gang would set his car on fire Because the government would be forced to buy him a new one That's how you fucking work the system man. It's an old shitty truck They took the truck and he's like I'll tell you what if there's one thing I wish you could do for me was reverse the effects of Vietnam But since you can't, you shit this government truck on fire. They're forced to give me a new one with new bucket seats Was everyone committing fraud? I mean they picked up a mailman and he was kidnapped and then he became a felon too

Well, glad I thought this was funny as hell. Yeah, so he did it. No one's got a new he got a new car What are they? It's a fucking jackass It's sweet. This is back when America was free We could just set fire to her car on the side of the road and not a lot of people are asking a lot of their big nosy And this is still good times like this is still like they haven't really hurt anybody They're still just kind of running around, you know second cars on fire like reckless But they haven't quite hurt anybody just yet But still although the trip north was a fun story the gang wasn't any closer to breaking anyone out of Eastham

Still though the gang moved forward now It wouldn't do to just show up at Eastham without telling anybody So Bonnie posed as Aubrey Scaley's cousin went down for a visit and confirmed the plan with Scaley So a scaly on board the barrow gang finally figured out that it would probably be better to just steal the guns Rather than steal money to buy the guns Try to get guns just get the guns and then have the money just be money Like you can see you Clyde try and explain Yes, I called there and if we don't get the guns, right? That's it, right?

The guns are like our children right think about like that like we're stealing a son We're stealing a daughter. We're stealing a cousin. We're stealing another female cousin All right, but money money's tickets to take the cousins to the fair I know I would love to see the just really grateful the rest of light bulb that went off and reset We're just like Well their target was a hardware store in Kauffman now This isn't as dumb as it sounds back then you could walk into a hardware store in Texas and buy a hammer and a tommy gun for a Few hundred bucks and there was an area question asked much less a background check

Which now that think about it really isn't all that different from what Walmart does now? Yeah, but you can't get automatics at Walmart I believe one of our good friends got went to Walmart at like one o'clock in the morning absolutely hammered and they let him Buy a shotgun. Oh, yeah Yeah, cuz it could only hurt those that are close to you Yeah, but the barrel gang not surprisingly had planned the hardware store heist badly Cuz then on the night they tried breaking in the night watchman in Kauffman spotted the gang set off the alarm and Opened fire. There's also just a lot of people packing heat and just shooting that fucking cars just doing shit

Yeah, they are just stealing they're stealing money from a I understand that they're stealing from a hardware store And it's it's bad because it hurts local business, but still at the same time They don't need to be lit up. No, I want to ask everyone's acting like the DC sniper What is going on in this weird Wild West world? Oh, this is this you know, although that was the middle of the night The alarm woke up the whole town the whole town woke up armed and ready to go But honestly, this has got to be a scary time I wonder I imagine there are still towns in America that are like this

Oh, yeah, we're legitimately if the bank alarm goes off People would just emerge from their homes with their guns, but that's just talking about up in the stakes Yeah, just we're stealing gum or something. Yeah, unfortunately I think most people would go to the bank with wheelbarrows hoping to get some of the money So while the gang was trying to find a route out of town Dodging gunfire the whole time Wow, the police set up a roadblock to choke the highway So once the gang saw the roadblock they pulled a u-turn and headed out of town on a country road And that's what they just dressed up one of the sheriff's deputies. It's a really pretty lady

What was the roadblock exactly? Oh, yeah, the roadblock was just the the fattest sheriff lying on his side completely nude This is the only way they'll stop Jerry, I actually think that we could use these horses. We can use wood partitions. Yeah, I got a wood partition for you This is their first real car chase. Yeah, so they're fucking they rip out and they said the first thing that was really scary the first like Mind-blowing thing that happened is that Clyde just like knows how to do the drift Like this is the shit that we were talking about before where he fucking swip just pop to you We hard in the V8 fucking spray and mud everywhere. It's yeah, it's very romantic. Yes And at this point they haven't heard anyone yet. So yeah, okay

I mean normally Clyde Barrow would have been driving a brand new stolen Ford V8 known as a model 18 Now this car the Ford V8 first released in 1932 was the first to be fit with a flathead V8 engine Which easily made it the fastest and most powerful car on the road So while most law officers were piddling around in cars that could barely go 35 miles per hour Clyde was going 70. Whoa, it's pretty sweet and I watched some footage of a V8 going through which is like, you know You got to have a V8. I went and I saw this fucking there. They are wild-looking. They're fun That must have been so much fun to drive. Yeah, no seatbelts Well, that was probably a safety. So dangerous. It'll explode if it hits on one thing just explode

What if I make half the engine a bomb? But during this robbery in Kauffman Clyde wasn't driving a V8. He was in a big heavy Buick Oh, but he can go through a brick wall in that thing He can but the problem was that he was having to go out of town driving on a dirt road And they're just been a huge rainstorm So the Buick just sunk right down in the mud the left with no other choice Clyde Bonnie and Fultz took off on foot at about 1 a.m The gang came upon a farmhouse and woke up the farmer demanding a car, but the farmer didn't have a car Oh God, I got ain't none of y'all Francis said it calls. I got one of these. It's got a bit of a country car

It's called an old mule Which is what he gave them Like that so the Barrow gang took off on bareback Bonnie and Clyde on one mule and Fultz on the other Think about this fucking on me. This is their first car chase ever The guys don't get numb to this because it is gonna happen again and again and again these guys live at breakneck speed for the next Fucking two years well not on the mule, but I don't know definitely But if they're first car chase fuck and lose the Buick in the mud gotta get up They're all trudging in full suits suits and his dress shoes Bonnie's fully dressed up in her fucking high heels

They're covered in mud. They get a mules and now they're just on mules trying to Just Trying to get away from the cops as fast as we believe It sounds like they're going to a shed to meet with the baby Jesus or something What kind of strange journey are they on well at about dawn? They came upon the town of Kemp and hot-wired a car that was owned by a doctor named Skarsdale, but they only drove it about a mile before they ran out of gas You gotta check the gas check the gauge

But now with the town's folk of camp on their ass They had no choice but to hide in the brush and the gang stayed hidden all day till about five with the town's folk Searching all around them literally 30 people on foot. Just run it after And they're just like pretending to be a mannequin in the store Oh, just like trying to be a bush finally They lost their nerve and made a break for it to a store across the road from where they were hiding Clyde figured he could hotwire a car before anyone noticed and the gang could be on their way because Clyde could hotwire a car in Less than five seconds be in the door and off Bonnie should have just said make sure this one has gas in it

But the town's folk were too fast for him So Clyde pulled out his gun and started shooting above their heads hoping to scare him off But instead of running the town's folk fired back and hit Fultz in the arm And now Clyde had a decision to make all three of them had fled to a muddy creek bed and Clyde knew That he could make it but only on his own tiny Bonnie couldn't keep up and Fultz was wounded This is important to remember because this will happen to us us three If it does come down to it and we are pinned down by gunfire Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm one of us is gonna have to make decision about scrambling for it and only one of us. It's the fastest

Person in ten with intent. Yeah, that's something you've called yourself But I'm saying so one of us couldn't all three of us just survive because you're too slow You're wounded. You're wearing heels and a full flap address. Well, what happened? How would we get there? Marcus is weighed down by the guns and he's been shot four or five times in the cock Which but each inch of his cock has got one bullet in it But his cock so tough from years of weathering and they've all just they lay on top like little bonbons I have to go for help So Clyde made a decision he left both of his companions behind and decided to fight another day

He jumped out of the creek bed and ran head-first at the posse But Clyde got lucky two members of the posse were reloading and they were so surprised to see Clyde running straight Adam They Clyde skated right on by the posse figure two prisoners was good enough So they let Clyde go and arrested Bonnie Parker and raw Fultz It's just but honestly the last view of Clyde as he's doing his criminal math Look at it Bonnie and Fultz and folks like Well, we go until now I don't hope we go until the department stall and he's just he's staring at them It's just being like I promise I'll be back

He runs out of the fucking creek bed. It's got to be very harrowing at that time But he was correct because in the end who's gonna someone's got to be on the outside to come back and fucking get you sure sure I will say it's a big man a tall man heavy man. A small person running at me is horrified I do not trust small Peter pattern because you don't you never think they'll get anywhere, but no no we do though Yeah, we do. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get we get right up on you. You don't know. I'm in your little pockets I know I'm in there being like looking where the dick is. Oh, yeah The dick is strangely aroused when the local doctor was brought in to treat Ralph's arm Fultz discovered that doctor's name was scars Dale This is brilliant and it was the doctor that they'd stolen the car from that morning

Oh, and as a result scars Dale Suddenly forgot his Hippocratic oath and refused to treat the wound. I want a bit Well, it's a bitch. It's a bitch move. They didn't get far with the car. He still had his car Yeah, it was to half a mile down the road. Yeah, it's fine So in other words the Eastern break had to be put on hold because now Clyde had to rescue Fultz She's it was decided that the best thing to do with Bonnie though Was it just let her wait it out because they had a plan the plan if Bonnie was ever caught was to have her put on her Best doe-eyed innocent little girl face and tell the cops that she'd been kidnapped by the horrid

Barrow gang, okay, and she didn't know nothing about no robber. I don't know nothing about no robber is officer And I don't know how this dress got on me and I don't know even how I got here and I don't remember my name I think my name is Lonnie So it was down to Clyde to rescue Fultz now Clyde did manage to get a few guns in a burglary Done in Selena, Texas with the remaining members of his gang But in the process Clyde accident had accidentally broken into the drugstore next to the hardware store first And for some reason the mayor was hanging out in the drugstore that night If you're a man if you're within 15 feet of the mayor's mansion the blouse. He goes and just hangs out of the pizza store

He exercises at our manager's gym. Oh, so he is around Sure. All right. Was the guy taking a bunch of ludes or something. What was the mayor doing in there? No idea. But Clyde was forced to take him and a few other employees hostage and tie him up in an empty box car While he went back to get the guns. Oh my so the mayor's been tied up. Mayor's been tied up This is a small town critic He's got the same. He's got the same mentality as the brewer from Ham's brewery where he's just like Sounds like a cartoon walrus But when Clyde and another member of the gang went out to try a little target practice with the new arsenal

Someone called the cops on the gunshots and the gang was forced to abandon all their new guns Why are they so bad at this so far and what was more Jack Hammett and fuzz also showed up late to target practice This is what happens gets all about showing up on time Yeah, this is what happens when you show up late what the cops were there waiting and both Jack and fuzz got arrested Well, to be fair if we ever go and shoot off a bunch of guns, I'll be early Oh, then you'll show up early too. Hey, buddy. I'm always on do I have to quote fucking Gandalf again I'll take it up the ass That's the actor who plays Gandalf

Meanwhile Bonnie was doing just fine in jail members of both her own and of Clyde's family made regular visits and Q me even brought Bonnie New shoes and underwear that have been bought by Clyde. Yeah, but she that was how she sorta knew that Clyde was planning something But she also didn't really know she's like sitting there being like I hope he comes Because she was because they were holding her waiting her for trial, but they obviously but the jailers they love it's Bonnie Yeah, well, it seems like everyone loved Bonnie. Um, but now what kind of underwear are we talking here? We don't do it in a great detail, but we're talking like the granny panty or it was like a thong What kind of underwear was wearing what were people wearing back then 1932 depression era underwear

Hey, man, I say they're everybody else's depressed and everybody around you's depressed. Why make your panties sad? But what Bonnie's time in jail is defined by is the collection of poetry that she wrote called Poetry from life's other side Oh, I think I've seen live journals and Tumblr pages all named this. Yeah, absolutely Admittedly, it's not Byron, but on the other hand, it's not Dennis Raider either Really, it's just the idle writings of a 21 year old girl You know poems about absent lovers poems about women growing old before their time and especially fantasies about crime

But the poem that became somewhat well known is one called the story of suicide Sal Oh, how'd that story? Over the course of 150 lines Bonnie who for some reason put quotation marks around round random nouns and verbs for reasons No one can really figure out She tells the story of a gun mall jilted by her criminal boyfriend and here is a small excerpt I took the quote-unquote rap like a quote-unquote sportsman not even one quote-unquote Squawk did I make Jack quote-unquote dropped himself on the quote-unquote promise. We'll make it a quote-unquote Sensational break

Well to shorten a lengthy sad story five years have gone over my head without even as much as a letter at first I thought he was dead a short while ago I quote-unquote discovered from a gal in the quote-unquote joint named quote-unquote Kate That Jack in his quote-unquote mall had quote-unquote got in a weird bracket This is in a bracket for some reason married and he was planning on quote-unquote going straight Now if he had returned to me some time though, we had an opinion to give I'd forget all this quote-unquote hell He has caused me and love him as long as I live But there's no chance of his ever coming for he and his quote-unquote mall have no fears

But that I will die in this quote-unquote prison or else quote-unquote flatten this 50 years It's just it's a very real prison. You know, I didn't think that it's not any like finger-quotes like prison You know you're in prison. You know, it is I don't know. I think it's to denote slang But prison is not slang. No and dropped. I don't believe the slang drop is the name Kate. That's not slang That's just someone's name. Okay, could be slang for it like Like a bank slip Hey, could be like slang for something like the name of a gun a lot of this is slang like sensational break squawk Sportsman rap joint mall, but discovered is not slang. No

No, no interesting. Okay. Yeah, not that bad though. Like you said, it's way better than BTK much better No, it is quote-unquote discovered if you just happen upon your wife and a man you've hired to make love to your wife You're watching like through like a closet door. Yeah, I can't believe this happen I'll just stay here. I guess. Well, here's the thing about Bonnie's jailhouse poetry even though she knew all the criminal lingo It's not like Bonnie's goal in life was to actually be a criminal. She just wanted to be somebody and crime Just happened to be the door. She walked through to get there But while Bonnie was writing all this Clyde Barrow was about to take the first big step into what would make the Barrow gang famous For the first time a man was about to die as a direct result of the Barrow gang's actions

Oh, now although a lot of the gang was in jail Clyde still had to eat So he never stopped being a criminal and Clyde knew another criminal named butcher whose parents owned a jewelry and general store So in April of 1932 Clyde and the remaining members of the gang Ted Rogers and Johnny Russell Figured John Butcher's store was gonna be easy pickens. In fact Clyde scouted the place himself What he didn't know though was that John Butcher's wife Recognized him but didn't say anything because it was obvious that Clyde was case in the joint. Y'all got any money Yeah, why was he this is not the first time he's been discovered case in a spot, right? No, no What I honestly do what what was he doing? Honestly, there is a part of this. It's about celebrity and creating a name Clyde Barrow

wanted The recognition he wanted people to know that he was a bank robber, but this is at a time period with the two of them Believe that being famous and mattering quote-unquote to be like Bonnie To society was more important than anything else. They're trying to elevate themselves So Clyde Barrow he'd get fucking dressed up to the nines to go case this store and in full it goes also He's better dressed than everybody else. He already stands out Yeah, he's wearing a hip suit and a fucking nice hat in the middle of the poorest fucking place in the world Right, and so he wanted the eyeballs on him. Yeah, it's interesting

I mean that idea the idea that you can buy freedom with celebrity is it's still exist in this country today It's completely true. Were they literally thinking like if we get super famous off of this shit We're just gonna skate because people are gonna like us so much that well We won't get charged now It wasn't that the idea of celebrity as we know it today didn't really exist back then they knew the whole time like Oh, we're gonna die. Oh, that's just that's just it They did not have any illusions whatsoever about skating or getting off on a light sentence But we'll cover this again and again it throughout the series is that they wanted they were like we're gonna die together

We're gonna die doing this. That's how criminals end, but you're also 21 Yeah, so you have a different concept of like we're gonna do this to the death where now as a 35-year-old I I will cling to this life. I will not go gently into the good night I'll be like don't you tell me as they're trying to shut off the machines been like Well when it came time to rob the store Clyde was the getaway driver So Clyde wasn't actually even in the store when all this happened Well when Ted and Johnny stuck up the place though robbery was going about as smooth as it could until Butcher opened up the safe right next to the jewelry was a gun and as soon as Butcher went for it

Rogers opened fire and killed him. Yeah So the two grabbed the loot took off out the door amidst the screams of Butcher's wife and hopped in the car Clyde took off and when they accounted for the loot later They found that John Butcher had died for about fifteen hundred bucks. Oh my goodness But in the story of Bonnie and Clyde people would die for a less amount of money my clothing the entire gang And so it this is the beginning of it's actually more like fucked up tragedy because this is the This story is one of the first many contested of being like we don't really know what happened minute by minute They know that the there was a gun in the safe and Butcher and Rogers were there together

They don't know who shot first. They don't know what happened But that guy was just fucking dead and there's a lot of people that again There's many ways like the highway men which I recently tried to watch recently too Which tries to show Clyde and they try to show Bonnie and Clyde as psychopaths We're just more of just being like it's just when you strap on the life all of the baggage that comes with it comes with it To you you want to live a life of murder in mayhem. It's gonna fucking show up Yeah, and honestly the highway men great super group and if you are gonna go on a crime spree Silver Stallion man So were they just freaking out were they just like ah or did this person was it calculated the murder?

No, it's like oh my god. We better be reactionary. The murders were never calculated the murders were always reactionary But that was the end of the Lake Dallas gang and was though Ted Rogers didn't get the rap for it Since Clyde a case the store earlier. They knew that Clyde was involved But police didn't have any clue who Ted Rogers was but Ted Rogers looked eerily like Raymond Hamilton who if you'll remember had fucked off to Michigan months before after the Barrow Gangs only real successful Robbery up to that point as far as the third guy went the cops just went down the list on Clyde's known associates and Blamed Frank Claus the second story man from the first episode the Clyde really hadn't hung out with since he met Bonnie Everybody that was connected to Clyde Barrow. He's like a fucking virus kind of yeah, where everybody got touched

It's him and it just spreads because these people were doing casual crime And they thought that in the end if you are just robbering little grocery stores Does sound innocent and you're getting little pockets here and then but like when we cover serial murder It's it has the same sort of escalation We're obviously you're not going to be satisfied with the amount of money you're getting in the amount of risk You're putting yourselves under in order to just get $30 at a go So as the crimes get more severe so does the fucking inertia of that chaos that causes more and more Bullshit yeah, and it's not I mean and when we said earlier like you know

They hadn't hurt anybody yet like they hadn't physically hurt anybody yet I mean there's still I mean having a gun pointed at you and have your store robbed is not any fun And then of course Clyde would say like oh, thanks big ankles He was really it's really sad he goes to me like I wouldn't fuck that guy with FDR's wife So a warrant was put out for the arrests of Clyde Barrow Frank Claus and Raymond Hamilton for the murder of John Butcher Even though Frank had been in Dallas Raymond had been in Michigan and Clyde had been in the car Hmm and this marked the beginning of Clyde Barrow's reputation as a killer

So usually bounty hunters only got rewards of 25 to 50 bucks for murder So for murder suspects But Clyde had just been paroled by the governor a few months before and this murder made the governor look really fucking bad So for the murder of John Butcher the governor placed a bounty of 250 dollars on Clyde's head ten times the normal amount Man being a bounty hunter sounds like it's kind of fun Yeah, I wanted to be one for a while and then I realized that I'm like not a cop But you know what dog the bounty hunter he is so small you could actually he's like you're right. No

That's what I'll do you should yeah, and when you're a bounty hunter most of it is repossessing cars. Yeah, but that's cool, too Yeah, you can light them on fire But the ironic thing about this is that now that Clyde was a suspected murderer the cops actually came around the Barrow house Less why see before it wasn't too much skin off cops ass to waste both his and Clyde's time By bringing Clyde in on suspicion of theft because it made it look like the cop was doing actual work Instead of just fucking with someone's life But now that Clyde was capable of pulling a trigger out was suddenly too much for the police to handle They needed more manpower. They needed more effort. And so they just said yeah

Yeah, because you can't you can't just go and fucking knock on the door and go like push them around and check his pockets anymore Because now you think he's gonna show up and he's gonna fucking pop you right Meanwhile folks have been sentenced to another ten years at Eastham for the robbery and Kaufman making that his Third trip to the farm by the time he was 20 that's not fun No, as far as how Bonnie was doing the advice that Fultz and Clyde had given her about what she should do if she was ever caught Was turned out to be solid after listening to her side of the story a Kaufman grand jury released her Okay, get the fuck out of here and on her way out Bonnie gave a stack of poems to the Kaufman jail janitor's wife Which is why we're able to read those poems today. Oh, she made so many friends. She did make a lot of friends because she was plucky

She was kind of like Lori Petty Yeah, yeah, and a tank girl. Oh, I love Lori Petty. Yeah, the League of our own. Yeah, don't swing it to high ones I like that. Yeah. Yeah, there's no crying in baseball in the army now with Polly Shore There's no crying in the army. Yeah, Lori Petty. Yeah, I remember that but even though life with Clyde had been rough And even though Clyde had run off and left her in a muddy ditch Bonnie ran right back into his arms as soon as she could Let's you go short. Mm-hmm. Meanwhile. Yeah, once you go short, you don't abort. Yeah, buddy You get sick of that man. You can't get as sick of a man. You could possibly fit entirely inside of it Uh-huh. Meanwhile, Raymond Hamilton was returning to West Dallas from Michigan to find out that he was wanted for murder

So what's that now? Let's pretend you didn't see me. I'm just gonna walk backwards and we'll say it never happened But Raymond figured fuck it. Once a criminal always a criminal and threw back in with Bonnie and Clyde. Okay So the three of them headed up to Wichita Falls and rented an apartment as a base of operations Wichita Falls right north of Dallas a little bit. I mean, it's not a big town about the size of Abilene half size of Lubbock But it's big enough. I love I love your humble brag about Texas geography No one even asked that question. No, it's like Marcus is just immediately going into father mode I'm just saying if you're if you're curious about Wichita Falls

I am I am I am honestly when we did the meet and greets and in all throughout Texas everyone has been like hi Marcus You ever been a kniferton? Oh, yeah, not pretend. That's like ten miles east of Wilkerton Yep, then it's about 45 miles south of Maloka. You don't want to go to Glumberton right now. There's a mumps outbreak Oh, I heard that and mumps is actually only 75 miles northeast Southwardly of Gleikenstein and in funny enough mumps the town is actually having a measles outbreak right now So it's kind of going crazy. Well, if you guys ever want to know how far McGargle is from Electra, then I'll let you know That's just a few miles. McGargle is not a made-up name. Just so everyone knows that. It's just a few miles south of Miami I don't know like the person who can fit the most marbles in their mouth will name our town

McGargle in it is. Don't even get me started on Pampa. Oh, we're not gonna talk about Pampa. God knows. I never noticed that Texas Geography is like an unofficial hobby of everyone that lives in Texas. It's just describing your state Well in Wichita Falls, the Barrow Gang began a small series of robberies that usually didn't net more than a few hundred dollars at the time And really if the Barrow Gang was willing to live dirt style that would have been just fine Dirt, dirt style sounds very uncomfortable. Nah man, dirt style is my fucking lifestyle I live dirt style. Yeah, I live dirt style. Yeah, okay Maybe my mind is going to a darker more sexual place No, it's just it showers every other day and wearing pants until they fall apart

That's what he likes where I am actually I understand Bonnie and Clyde. I understand this I understand the idea of like dressing up. Yeah, because they came from shit and they like looking nice Yeah, they always insisted on wearing the finest clothes and they always insisted that every member of the gang look just as good as them Yeah, but that cost money, right? Yeah, but after one particularly good take from a robbery at a packing company Clyde Raymond and new gang member Ross Dyer figured they were due for a little boys night out celebration Got two man Bonnie let him off the fucking chain man time for Clyde to go out get them dance shoes Okay, so they dropped off Bonnie in West Dallas piled into their brand-new stolen Ford v8 and drove north towards Stringtown, Oklahoma Oklahoma population 900 a whole 900

That's three times bigger than a town I grew up in so Stringtown is not bad. Wow, so It's big It's a big Stringtown a Stringtown wasn't their intended destination But as they drove through they couldn't help but hear music coming from the town center. What's that? Is that? Gaiety my brothers and I have to tap those toes turned out people of Stringtown were having a hoedown at the city pavilion Really? Yeah, so the gang decided they go take part Now predictably the barrel gang looked a little out of place in Stringtown, Oklahoma And this was Dust Bowl country and suddenly three dudes in their early 20s wearing fancy suits and driving a brand-new car

We're rolling up demanding wildcat whiskey and a dancer to with the local girls you can just see the record stop like an animal house When they walk into the African-American bar the black bar never just like stares at them Oh, yeah, dude. It was like when we walked into it. We're Natalie's grandmother lives in Michigan it's this tiny tiny town and We walked into this locals bar and it's just like Natalie and leather pants and like a tight like Pentagram thing on honor like, you know, and she's fucking looking hot. I walk in with my like tiny little my tiny pants Am I like my fun West Coast?

I'm gonna use the term quote-unquote West Coast shirt and hat It's people just staring at us being like, so where are you from? Fancy people from honestly, it's good. Tell them where you're from and lighten them Mm-hmm Now as I mentioned at the top of the series the people that died as a result of the Barrow Gang's actions We're not hardened cops or bankin bigwigs They were just regular folk looking for a way to get by and there was no better example of that than under sheriff Eugene Moore See guys like Eugene had no training and were not provided with any weapons whatsoever

How did they become a sheriff? They just need bodies They just needed they just need a bodies and these guys were paid like by the arrest by My god, okay. Yeah, this is a time also This is the middle of prohibition right when this is happening So they're not necessarily supposed to be drinking but they turn a blind eye away from these things unless you it's a Pointed way to pull you over kind of like the way they even cops do now where it's like they they're gonna They suspect you or if they need to run your license plate or something like that And they'll say like there's something wrong with their tail light and pull you over, right?

Yeah, so Eugene he was just walking in with a rickety old six-shooter because these guys had to provide their own guns And that's all Eugene had and the only reason why the cops were even there at the dance that night was to stop fights And the only reason why those cops approached the Barrow Gang was because the local boys were about to beat the shit out of them for Being assholes. Yeah, they're showed up in all his fancy-ass clothes dancing with their girlfriends They have a car that does not belong to them And they're drinking everybody's fucking boo. Yeah, but even though the cops didn't know about the butcher charges Those charges were still a pretty fresh memory in the minds of both Clyde Barrow and Raymond Hamilton because that incident that only occurred Three months before this and they also just won the dance-off

Because Clyde has been like oh you ready for this shit. It's about to get brung on And then he did the first ever b-boy. That's what's actually true. Clyde Barrow was the first ever b-boy to ever exist And he was the first man to do the hip spin So he put down the cardboard boxes and it would be like what's that? What was that? Like they're doing like weird like old-school hip hop. It was fucking mind-blowing, but it made those country boys really upset Oh, absolutely. Wasn't it Jesse Spano from Saved by the Bell at the max who did the sprain? Remember that dance? The sprain? She sprained her leg. Maybe it was Kelly Kopowski. It sounds like a Kelly movie. Yeah, I just always think of the stripper movie

So when Sheriff Charlie Maxwell put his foot on the V8's running board to tell the boys that they were under arrest for drinking Barrow gang didn't take any chances. And now we have to correct the record. I believe it was showgirls Yeah, it was showgirls. Striptease was Demi Moore, which I also think of quite often. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay Anyway, back to the story, please. Yeah, Ann Burt Reynolds and you know Yeah, that was a career resurgence for him because Boogie Nights came next. Oh, yeah He was great. Then he said no to everything good afterwards and now he's dead Anyways when the sheriff tried arresting the boys they opened fire Hmm. The sheriff was knocked to the ground instantly and dropped his gun but a bystander picked up the gun

Immediately and took up the job of opening fire on the game. It's awesome. It's like losing the ball in football Yeah, so he's just the sheriff now. It seems like they're just like whoever has the gun is the sheriff. I'm dish off. No You're the dog now, man The Clyde tried taking off but got flustered and overturned the car after driving over a culvert because he was also Probably drunk as well. Oh, that was the thing about Clyde though is that Clyde usually didn't drink Because he always wanted to be on his guard, right? It was probably because of this incident right here I think that this was the defining moment for Clyde Barrow where he realized that There's no more fun in games. You actually can't go back to being a normal 20 year old anymore after being wanted for murder

Yeah So the three barreled out of the car and started firing towards their pursuers and ended up fatally shooting under sheriff Eugene Moore Mm-hmm. Sheriff Maxwell was saved only by a bootlegger who poured whiskey into the wound. This is a miracle The sheriff have been shot six times And this is why I want to say to anybody that he tries to tell us about our drink and quote-unquote to be Bonnie Problems sometimes it's the only solution. It's a medicine for my guts No, they didn't drink. He didn't put the whiskey in his mouth. He poured the whiskey on the wounds to sterilize Well, it was at this point that Clyde Barrow was what you might call

Irrevocably and irretrievably Fucked ah See before he might have been able to play down the butcher murder because he'd just been the driver But now multiple witnesses had Clyde Barrow pointing a gun at a police officer pulling the trigger and Killing him and damn near killing a second cop in the process. Okay, and Clyde was now permanently on the run If he didn't want to ride the light It's like again to talk about serial killing would you kind of create an atmosphere of validation for yourself? Where something was gonna happen to make sure that he stayed in yeah, it seems like you wanted this in a in a way

Yeah, well the thing is about Bonnie and Clyde though is that they didn't have a death wish They didn't actually want to die. Hmm. Clyde just knew that he'd rather die than go to prison and Bonnie would rather die Than be without Clyde. Oh true love. Yeah, I love the extreme co-dependency You can be happy to well anyway Bonnie seemed to kind of like it after the gang returned to West Dallas where Bonnie had been staying with Her mother it was Bonnie who took the lead on planning out where the gang should run to next Oh, yeah, it's always a match made in heaven when you're significant others like let me smell the gun As soon as you get home to make sure that you fired it to kill someone they got to be into what makes you you

You know, I married Natalie because of a mutual love for aliens that did what that is what helps because you have to love They have to love the thing that normally makes other people repelled for me. That's absolutely Okay, well in Bonnie's mind the murder of Eugene Moore was not Clyde's fault. Oh, why not? Okay, how not well in Bonnie's mind if the cops hadn't been hassled and Clyde then he wouldn't have been quote-unquote Forced to shoot them. Yeah. Yeah, well in Jeff Gwynne's words Bonnie was an enabler And it was Bonnie who suggested the gang go to New Mexico after the murder in Stringtown to wait out some of the heat And this is objectively a smart move because the Barrow gang hadn't done any crimes in New Mexico They weren't wanted in New Mexico and the Texas cops in the New Mexico cops famously didn't get along together

They didn't talk to each other at all and honestly in New Mexico. They're just like par for the course You know, I would assume there's a criminal element in 1930s New Mexico that was the stronger than them. Oh, yeah So Clyde drove Bonnie and Raymond Hamilton 470 miles in one day to Carl's bad New Mexico Oh, just wearing a socks as he drove because that's how we always drove because he'd cut off two of his toes and east them Okay, well they arrived at the home of Bonnie's aunt a woman named Millie stamps Yeah, she does

Turns out though, this was actually a bad move. Oh, Bonnie didn't know her aunt too Well and Millie stamps was immediately suspicious of Bonnie and her flashy new quote-unquote Husband who was quite vague on where he got the money to pay for a new Ford v8 and a bunch of fancy ass clothes That must have been exciting though when they pulled in yeah, because they got that cool ass new car They're all fucking super handsome But the problem is that when you just kind of like know it's sort of like when you meet a bunch of people that are like Definitely on meth, but for a second. They're a lot of fun So Millie stamps called the cops on her own knees

I don't know if that's appropriate now But when the cops showed up at the house Bonnie and Clyde got the drop on the lawman who'd been sent to check out the report But perhaps learning a lesson from Stringtown Clyde didn't kill him Okay, see by this point Clyde had two murders attached to him and there were many many more to come Hmm, but Bonnie and Clyde never looked for a fight nor were they the trigger happy psychopathic murders like they're portrayed in that God-awful Netflix movie the highway man, which it's fine as a grizzled cop story But really it is a lawman Circle jerk with just about as many if not more inaccuracies than the 1967 Bonnie and Clyde movie

It's just from the other perspective. Yeah, but natural born killers. That was also based off of them kind of wasn't yeah Yeah, I mean they also brought in like the Charles Stark weather and Caroline Fugit and a few other couple murders But yeah, I mean but natural born killers took a lot from Bonnie and Clyde That's the funny thing is that where do you hear all some played the Clyde character in that movie and yet played a cop in the high women Is the funniest thing it's interesting because I do think that the 1967 Bonnie and Clyde the big Bonnie and Clyde movie for me Nails a lot of more of the tone of their life. Yeah, it really does and the high woman really just plants them as Straight-up murderous psychopaths Okay, and it's yeah, it's don't it's a fine movie

But it is not even close to historically accurate and we'll get into the ways that it's not historically accurate when it comes to Frank Hamer in Episode three. All right, so impossible Bonnie and Clyde took hostages And this is exactly what they did with Eddie County deputy Joe Johns Bonnie and Clyde's own guns were in the trunk of their car when the cop pulled up But luckily for them Millie stamps kept a shotgun in the closet, of course So deputy John's was held at gunpoint and got forced in the Barrows car and they all headed back to Texas Presumably because they didn't know where else to go because Bonnie and Clyde always went back to Texas eventually There's something about it's either the loyalty to the state or just straight up

They just knew it so much just home driving from town to town to town But think about that man. You just drove four hundred and seventy miles and then you just dry four hundred and seventy miles back Yeah, in a four in a nineteen thirty-two Ford v8 Going seventy-five miles per hour because it's the only way Clyde traveled It was either top speed or they were on a mule The thing was though a headless corpse was found 90 miles outside of El Paso Just a few hours after it was discovered that John's was kidnapped and it was assumed that Clyde had just blown the poor fuckers head Off and dumped him out on the road. It turns out totally unrelated corpse

Happening in America at this time. It was fucking awful. I see crime was everywhere Like there was shit just I mean yeah crime was absolutely everywhere I mean and still like this is not too far removed from the Old West like think about it this way if this is 1932 the Old West was as far removed from them as say the release of Nevermind is from us Yeah, it's yeah, it's really it's really not that long it really wasn't that long ago for them And there was a lot of hangover from that Well, the thing is about John's is that he was still in the car with Bonnie Clyde and Raymond He was helpfully giving road directions. He was like hey, you don't want to go through Odessa

You want to go around like this way? We go through Odessa, then you're there's gonna be some cops I think it's just also the southern love of backseat driving You're gonna hit La Mesa if you want to go up this direction But if you want to go south and you're gonna hit you're gonna go right through Midland You don't want to do that Just to be a map Well, eventually they let John's out in San Antonio But by the time John's got to a phone the Barrow gang had already stolen the new v8 in

Victoria and were well on their way to Houston But still word had gotten off that they were headed that way so a lawman set up a roadblock in Wharton As soon as Clyde saw it though He pulled one of his trademark on a dime U-turns and sped off in the other direction faster than the cops could catch In the next day all three of them had their names blasted out from the front page and for the first time Bonnie Parker had her name in print even though it was attached to two murders of robbery and kidnapping Still she found that she fucking loved it. Yeah, dude. She thought it was hot Like she thought this that was a part of this is that that the same thing with Clyde Barrow

That's what we talked about before why she wasn't upset when she found out that he was connected to a murder as that she loved Every bit of it. Mm-hmm. She was she was on board, right? So we have Silver Stallion playing during the road trips and now I think we're listening to David Bowie's fame They're not even there yet. No, they're not even close to being there yet. They're just names in the newspaper Okay, after that the Barrow gang up to the Annie after driving back to the Dallas area Clyde broke into the state guard armory in Fort Worth. He broke into a fucking armory Yeah, that's the most dangerous thing to break into. No, not at all. Listen, okay I mean for the first time these guys got their hands on a few browning automatic rifles

Which would become a Barrow gang trademark now these armories are a curious thing back then most towns of you know Reasonable size in Texas had armories filled with high caliber rifles Hmm, but they were only for use by citizen militias just in case like Mexico decided to take back Texas or something So Texas did the version of the Israel kill the Israel keys hit kid. Yeah, but just for themselves Huge sheds full of extremely powerful automatic rifles, okay The police had no access whatsoever to these guns and could only get a hold of them after going through miles of red tape But Bonnie and Clyde could get a whole arsenal with little more effort than what they put into a drugstore burglary Wow

Now to give you an idea of the difference in firepower when it came to what Bonnie and Clyde had Versus what the cops were carrying take a listen to a couple of shots fired by a 38 special handgun Which is what most of the cops had? Now listen to a brown automatic rifle otherwise known as a BAR, which is what the Barrow gang had I Think I know which gun I would prefer to have It was at this point I know for a fact was coming from your computer, but I all of us just

No, it was at this point the things got a little too hot for Raymond Hamilton And he considered himself a gentleman bank robber and he knew that when Bonnie and Clyde got a hold of the BAR's There was only bloodshed in their future. Oh, yeah, yeah, dude because now they can they can fucking bust more fucking guts this thing is a Because nobody else fucking had him that just shot it right up the fucking the stakes go up huge Interesting a lot of fucking BAR. Yeah, absolutely. Hence the Domestic arms race that is our civilian and cops arsenal of guns, you know, really? I was thinking about this is kind of the beginning of that. Yeah, because all the cops didn't have jack shit

But the criminals had like the cops had slow cars and tiny guns Yeah, the criminals had the fastest cars on the road and the guns that the army ended up using in World War two Well, hell man, even that bank robbery in in LA with the two dudes head-to-toe like human furnaces Yeah, the cops had to go to the store and buy the guns Oh shit, they got much stronger guns and that was what early 90s. Yeah. Yeah, there's a middle ground Yeah, yeah, no my small town of Stevens Point, Wisconsin doesn't need a fucking tank My little brother just told me they bought a tank another tank nothing has happened It's David's point. There was one murder in a paper mill because a guy ratted out his partners for stealing electrical wire

But after Hamilton left Bonnie and Clyde actually began a bit of a golden age because without a gang They couldn't really pull off any big jobs. They still robbed small towns and small They still robbed small stores and gas stations And they still had to haul ass across state lines to escape the cops But this time in their lives was more of a cross-country vacation funded by petty crime This is one of the very few good points in this story where they are really living this outlaw dream where they see it They are they are living hand-to-mouth stealing when they needed to relax when they can Partying fucking having sex live it on the road. It's fucking kind of it's just kind of fun sound

It's a little romantic. They're living hand-to-mouth. Of course, but to mouth. I'm sure I'm I'm sure I'm some wild Night, they're doing some fun stuff and they were really in love here Yeah, okay Well, they made it as far away as the Great Lakes in Chicago But it was in Illinois that Clyde fucked up and left a pill bottle with his name on it in a car that had been stolen from Oklahoma, oh, you can't do that crossing state lines and with this Clyde could officially be charged with the federal crime of car theft Oh, now surprisingly bank robbery and murder were state crimes Meaning Bonnie and Clyde could hop across a state border during a chase and the cop chasing him would be left on the side of the road

stomping up and down on his hat This was such a crazy time where you could literally just like jump across the border, but can't get me But now Bonnie and Clyde were on the radar of the Justice Department particularly the division of an investigation that was at that time headed by none other than J Edgar Hoover if we did a real thing about cops it's hard because J Edgar Hoover I wish that he had more overt crime so we could actually cover him But the ambition that he had I thought it was really interesting a little bit with Jeff Gwynne kind of hints at about like How the idea of federal cops hadn't happened yet?

And so J Edgar Hoover like thought this up in his head like we're going to make this happen and Bonnie and Clyde actually Became one of the bigger cases that allowed for the creation of the FBI interesting, okay But Bonnie and Clyde at this time were still small fries when compared to pretty boy Floyd John Dillinger and the Barker gang So this switchover didn't really matter yet But it did signify the crossing of another criminal line for Clyde Barrow. Hmm, but during this time Bonnie and Clyde never stayed More than a night or two in the same location Usually stayed in motels or motorcourts for about a dollar a day. Hmm They couldn't find a motorcourt Bonnie and Clyde sometimes knocked on a farmer's door and asked if they could just stay the night

Usually slip in the host couple of bucks for their troubles and it was also at this time where Clyde discovered how funny it is to pull off an upper-decker And nobody asked questions, you know partly because you know stay in at a stranger's house was just kind of like American custom to a great depression Absolutely. I mean Airbnb. Do you really question the people who stay at your Airbnb? Probably not. Oh, well, no You you can read reviews of people you should you should just let people randomly stay in your house But at this time it was a little more innocent, but now in Europe It's a little bit similar in Natalya. You can go from town to town and they give you Zupa and they give you Spaghetti You just have to find the right nonaria to go to. Okay. There you go

Yeah, it was also probably because people just were looking to take whatever they could get I mean again cannot stress enough how important the Great Depression was to this story I mean people like you know someone shows up and says I'll give you five dollars to let us stay the night Yeah, five dollars is huge and then of course you can be like can I watch? Is it okay if I watch? Yeah old man, but I don't want to hear your Robin. All right I just well you can you can watch see me do my short man magic But then other people let Bonnie and Clyde stay just because they like sticking it to the man, right? You know there was these a couple of these outlaws out there Robin banks saying fuck you to society and

Some people that was really attractive. Oh, of course because everybody wanted to say fuck you to the fucking banks Everything was falling apart. Yeah, absolutely Well, there wasn't anywhere to stay Bonnie and Clyde just pulled over into some thick brush and slept in their car overnight Romantic, yeah, but no matter what they always dressed in clean clothes During this time and it sometimes even dropped their wardrobe off at a dry cleaners and wait in the countryside for a few days Until their clothes were ready. I totally get this I totally get why they did this It is about branding. They understood that about themselves and what it is that they wanted from life Were they just like Adam and Eve just naked with fig leaves to cover the private parts when they didn't have any clothes

No, they just had their shitty clothes and then they had our good going out clothes Okay, and of course they'd come back to West Dallas as often as they could on Halloween in 1932 Clyde as had become the custom through a coke bottle out the window of his car into his parents front yard And inside the bottle was a note telling his mother where and when they should all meet for a joint Barrow Parker family get together Okay, they did this Dozens of times over their two-year crime spree and only once did they ever come close to getting caught even when there were Thousands of cops looking specifically for them. They would still come back to West Dallas to visit their family Wow They just love the connection and also they would come in at a time ago and on fat times

They would come and bring them cash and money lean times There was really only one specific lean time the two families would give shit to Bonnie and Clyde Okay, but this was not one of the times that they almost got caught However, Clyde did find out that the cops had penned a murder in Sherman, Texas on him and Bonnie as well as a holdup at a Pigly-Wiggly in out in Texas. No, we said no Pigly-Wiggly's I said that on the last episode That is your that's your contingent for our game. Well, this is the beginning of the end for my like for my like of Bonnie and Clyde They're gone. No, they didn't rob the Pigly-Wiggly. It got pinned on them. Yeah, okay. They're back in my good graces No one should steal from Pigly-Wiggly for crying out loud. Oh, yeah murders fine

But fucking rob a Pigly-Wiggly and all of a sudden you're the devil, okay? Well, I didn't realize that free speech jail was open for both of us tonight. Welcome to the cell next to me It's you me sir hand sir hand and it's wonderful and there's no rehab in here. Well, Bonnie and Clyde hadn't been anywhere near Sherman or Abilene, but this but this was just the beginning of the law and Journalists pinning whatever crime they couldn't solve on Bonnie and Clyde and despite Bonnie and Clyde's weak protests to the contrary They loved this shit. Most every time they abandoned a car cops would find the floorboards Littered with newspaper clippings that mentioned Bonnie and Clyde's names Think about it if you want to be an actor and you finally get in newspapers

This is huge for Bonnie. Well, it's it because in the end it's like, you know It's like there's no such thing as bad publicity at the time They thought like, you know, maybe at some point maybe we won't die die Yeah, but maybe we can live an infamy like as a legend here and then go to Mexico or go to Canada and live there And just again to clarify if you want to see your name in print find an alien You want to get on this show you find us an alien and we will cover it You also can very easily write a self-published book for Amazon. Yeah, you can sure the thing was the Texas press Needed this what newspapers were starting to figure out during the Great Depression was just how much they've been leaning on

Advertising dollars for all the years previous Yeah, it's kind of like why they almost kind of put a president into position because of how many ad dollars it lent towards that We're in the middle of right now So when businesses started closing left and right ad revenue dropped and newspapers had to make up the difference in Circulation and since everybody had just about had enough the stories about bull weevils and dust bowls and depressions Literally stories about It's more of a beetle apparently it's more of a beetle than a locus Yes, a beetle makes it but it makes it noise like a locus

That's just it's all just it's bugs It's bugs sorry, I don't know a lot about Weevils are like a little they're like a little uh, what yeah, it just sounds like they're wearing overalls It's a bug that fuck shit up. Oh, that's all I know Whoa, he got Marcus Matt Well since everybody was tired of hearing about all that shit Bonnie and Clyde became the number one story in Texas awesome And newspapers found that the more colorful they made Bonnie and Clyde the more papers they'd sell so crimes were embellished Narrative license was taken more than a few times when it came to how the murders went down and

Legend was born Predictably all this press was probably somewhat responsible for the formation of Clyde's new gang See now Clyde had a reputation to consider now and it wouldn't do to just keep knocking off stores and gas stations It's weird how that really did factor in where Clyde Barrow realized that he's like well according to the papers I'm now a legendary criminal So I must get a gang together and I got to live up to these Expectations because if not like he's just some kind of fart in the wind Mm-hmm. Oh we are his farts in the wind. I love that song beautiful voice almost

Yeah, we would have a great talking voice horrible singing voice. Well, you just got to work on your diaphragm. Thank you Yeah, I've seen you've been working on it You know, I'm not emotionally well right now, but thank you for the So Clyde recruited Hollis Hale and Frank Hardy into the third iteration of the Barrow gang and set about on the business of Robbing banks, but it turned out Bonnie and Clyde couldn't live up to the hype Oh, their first job was a bank in Missouri But when they pulled out their guns and told the tellers to give them everything they had Bonnie and Clyde were informed by the teller That there was nothing to steal because the bank had failed a few days previous

It'd be kind of awesome. See which is like all right now give me all you got and he just looked around no money He's been like Moving on the gang then tried the farmers and miners bank in Orinogo, Missouri Orinogo, I guess it's Orinogo. There might be Orinago. I don't know. Let us know Orinago and that sounds fancy Resort in the beautiful in the middle of beautiful Missouri Yeah This time the failure rested solely with the gang since the first bank had failed Clyde sent Bonnie ahead to do a little

Reconnaissance on the farmers and miners bank this bit this next bit is very interesting. I didn't know any of this shit Yeah Well back then it was socially unacceptable for a woman to even enter a bank without a man Even if she had business so a woman just wander around a bank aimlessly attracted even more attention Hi, boss cut and tell if your pen attention to me or not. Oh, this pen on chain Bonnie and Clyde hadn't had a bank account in their life Probably had never stepped foot in a bank if they weren't robbing it So while Bonnie Lottie Dodd around the lobby the tellers took notice

Cut and help and notice how thin my butt is huh? You're the style of the time. Oh, this is a pen on a chain. I can't believe you have three of these so By the time the gang showed up the teller was ready with a pistol and even though the gang had BAR rifles Those rifles were no match for the teller's led lined bulletproof counter Which is also just like the half-life of the lead Shooting And furthermore as soon as the gang walked in the teller pulled the alarm and pretty soon everyone or an ogo

Who owned a gun was out on the streets opening fire? Deadwood yeah, it's crazy the gang only got out with about a hundred bucks Which that wasn't even enough for the townsfolk to chase after wow now the two new members of the gang Hale and Hardy We're disappointed to say the least absolutely so they went on to make that soup chain Yeah, I know controversial soup by the way not very good. Well, they thought that they had hitched their wagons to criminal masterminds We were gonna be pulling off Barker gang-sized heists of hundreds of thousands of dollars But what none of these idiots knew was that those huge heists required entire Criminal networks of colluding bank officers paid off police and weeks if not months of advanced planning

They didn't just show up and say give me the money, but it's interesting is that they had the same idea of criminals from what they've read in the Newspapers, yeah, so that's that as far as they knew they didn't actually have the connections They didn't grow up in gangland They didn't understand that you literally had to put money in the pocket police in order to it was an investment It was a part of your business expenditures where you had to give some of the police you had to give them there They're big you got to pay the guy for the safe house. You got to pay the criminal doctor This is it takes fucking money. It's absolutely reminds me of another short man who said give me the money Show me that money

Give me the money now. Give me that money. I love that movie I love that movie called give me the money now And here Hale and Hardy were with the infamous Bonnie and Clyde who are getting just as many headlines as the big boys We're getting just as much heat. Hmm, but they'd only been able to get about a hundred bucks between them after two high-risk High-heat robberies. They're getting none of the reward. They're getting all the risk. No reward exactly come on As the just born gang we're all hiding out in the countryside after or no go Hardy and Hale told Bonnie and Clyde, and we're just gonna go in and town and get some more bullets We ride back. Yeah, we're all out of bullets. And also I was thinking about making ooh

A nice cream of barley. I think would be absolutely incredible You get some of the grains and they're big chunks of visible meat, and then we can put it in airports all over the world Nothing better than having a tummy full of bad soup before you fly You can feel it jiggling around in there. Then your belly's the kitchen Yeah, I don't like having a soup before going on a plane. I like making soup with beer and a hamburger Bonnie and Clyde never saw Hale and Hardy ever again. They just took off and they left Bonnie and Clyde with twenty five dollars Now one thing you might be asking yourself is why the barrow gang always strayed so far away from Texas when they went out to rob banks And while I don't know for sure if this right here is the reason it was probably at least on their minds see back in the early

1900s bank robbery was mostly a job that was reserved for hobos and Yeggs which I found out a Yegg was also Slaying for a safecracker as well as slaying for a hobo sex boy as it was defined in our Carl pans ramp series It's more that the hobo is cracking the safe quote-unquote of the Yank, right? Now the reason why this was a hobo job was because the escape was made all the more simpler when you had a knowledge of Trains because while horses could be run down jumping on a train got you far away from the bank fast But then you were all stuck on a track. You know where your trains go You can jump off whenever you want. Yeah, but if you don't know that the hobo hopped on the train

Then you don't know where to send the word. Yeah, I know where hobos are though at the same time I you know if you get a roust about you get a couple of loose lippy eggs You can find out where these hobo burgers are. Oh, yeah, absolutely But his cars got to be more common and faster and its paved roads and road signs became more prevalent Bank robbery hit an all-time high in the wide open spaces of Texas during the 20s between Between 1920 and 1927 there were 140 successful bank hold-ups and burglaries in Texas and out of those 140 Only 30 ended with the capture of the perpetrators. I knew we shouldn't have named our bank come and get it back Well, it's fun because it's get it with it

So the Texas Bankers Association started putting out bounties It started with a five hundred dollar reward specifically for dead bank robbers whoa killed in the process of robbing banks because the bankers association Refused to pay for a living bank robber Even if that bank robber was convicted. I wish that we could also form our own police force Yeah, the banks just made their own police. Can we just have podcast police? Yeah, we can do that We go arrest people give us one-star reviews on iTunes and find them and wake them up from their homes I put them in big caravans with what's a weird like penguins on the side of it circus people doing a weird like

Flips next to it all while I'm singing a song with my big umbrella. Yeah, you've really thought that out. I love that Absolutely, then in 1927 the TBA increased the bounty to five thousand dollars for a corpse per Dead bank robber remember it was specifically dead bank robbers I mean, it's kind of crazy to others a sentence you might see a corpse what I see is money Yeah, money well that naturally led to crooked cops working with criminals who would trick dumb criminals into robbing banks So the cops could shoot them dead on the scene and the cops would split the money With the criminals who set the whole thing up. It's business

Business, yeah, it's business and there were plenty of lawmen that were against this idiotic bounty policy Right, you know, especially Frank Hamer who we'll talk about in the next episode We actually got all this information from the life and times of Frank Hamer Which Carolina read is apparently an awesome fucking book very cool But despite lawmen being totally against this policy guess when it was rescinded 2025 This still happens right now Well, I mean even though they later modified it to say dead or alive. It stayed in effect until 1964 Wow

So although I don't know for sure if this was why Bonnie and Clyde stayed away from Texas It might be a reason why they say it was dry then I mean they seem to have a natural understanding That if we drive as far away as possible from our home base The less likely it is that they could pin us on the crimes, right? And also Texas and maybe then I start they put my old detective cap on Texas a big state you actually move to smaller states so it's easier to cross state lines. Yeah, that's actually probably a much better Yeah, that's a very good Criminal mastermind look at me man criminal mastermind. I didn't pay my taxes for four years

So and also they were getting more nationwide notoriety. Yeah, I would suppose yeah But Clyde's former partner Raymond Hamilton still risked Texas bank robberies Although it wasn't a bank robbery that eventually brought him down Hamilton have been robbing banks in Texas with two dudes named Les Stewart and Gene O'Daree. I like more Stuart better But let's do it's fine. Hey people when there is it a bad old there or is it a good old there, but they tell you what Every time it is a bad old there. Wow man. Just professionals professional podcasters well unlike Bonnie and Clyde

Let's do it. Gene O'Daree and Raymond Hamilton were actually good at bank robbing But Raymond had a big mouth and while Raymond was back home in Bay City, Michigan at an ice skating rink one night He started bragging to a girl that he was one of the most notorious criminals in all of Texas Yeah, I'm a hey, I don't want to brag, but uh, I'm wanted for rape Horrible yeah, it doesn't seem like it's really going to make a woman fall in love with him. Yeah, like a felon I don't know. Yeah, the girl like instead of being super impressed. She went straight to the cops Oh, yeah, and that happens. Yeah, and Raymond was chased down there at the ice skating rink while he was still wearing his ice skates Eventually he was extradited and sent to Texas to answer for the murder of John Butcher

Well, remember Clyde and Raymond didn't like each other at all But Clyde also knew that Raymond Hamilton hadn't been anywhere near that murder Raymond Hamilton only looked like the guy who'd actually pulled the trigger So Clyde even though he hated him felt obliged to save Raymond Hamilton This is a part of his whole weird honor system Yeah, Clyde Barrow had this idea of being a quote-unquote honest criminal Which is being like well, well, I do declare I don't believe he should be serving time for murder because he had nothing to do with it

And as far as Clyde Barrow's concerned, I'm gonna bust him out because there's a part of him that does believe in being the folk hero Now that people are painting him to be so on some level this this image of him He will try to grow and fill or Bonnie for me She already was now as you'll you'll see as it goes to her addition to the crime gang was actually really important But before that break could even be attempted the Barrow gang again needed members and capital Yes, so when Bonnie and Clyde returned to West Dallas for a visit. They were happy to hear that a Barrow family friend W.D. Jones wanted to join the gang a WD was the son of Tookie Jones Who is Cumi Barrow's best friend? Who's naming these people?

Basically they go to a bakery they pick the weirdest shaped cookies, and then they name them after those cookies A W.D. Worshiped Clyde and every time Clyde came home W.D. Was waiting with a fresh pile of license plates hoarded for Clyde to take out on the road for switchout jobs on stolen cars This would be the best part about having a bunch of foster kids You come home to all these new license plates all these like with you know like toilet wine, right? Yeah, I think of a gross misunderstanding of what a good foster parent should do Yeah, man, I'm not a parent but W.D. Was only 16 years old. Oh, wow. These are all children

They are Bonnie and Clyde. They were only 22 right, but also at 22 you could have a Literally an entire farm five kids Yeah back in those days people grew up a little bit faster sure but even so Clyde was skeptical of the idea when W.D. Brought it up on Christmas Eve 1932 but after thinking about a second Clyde figured W.D. might be an asset So he brought him into the fold all that was needed now was an initiation to see if W.D. Could handle it spanking machine Machine, oh, I gotta get all I gotta get kerosene for my spanking machine

So on Christmas morning Clyde took W.D. out to Temple, Texas and told them they were gonna rob a grocery store together But when the two of them walked through the door armed with handguns W.D. seized up just started shaking his head No, like uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, I don't want to do this I don't want to do this so Clyde called him a coward and when when they got out to Bonnie in the car and told her what happened Bonnie just laughed at him I mean honestly, it's just the most charming response like You poor child I wanted to do good

W.D. very quickly figured out that he was not cut out for a life of actual crime It was a lot of fun to steal license plates Sure when it came when it came to pointing a gun in some poor old lady's face who was working the counter to grocery store W.D. is like no, I don't I do not have an Emmy to do this I think that was important for Clyde Barrow to show him and Unfortunately, just being like this is the actual life. Yeah, you want to do this shit. You got to hop in And while we're going 70 miles per hour, you have to fucking catch up right now. Yeah, exactly And but the thing is though is that like Clyde had other plans in mind

Yeah, and those plans would change W.D.'s life forever for the better W.D. went on to make the very popular exercise machine the bullflex No kidding. Interesting. Well Clyde said that W.D. wasn't going home without at least stealing something So Clyde told him to steal a Model A car that was parked in front of the Barrow stolen Ford V8 I'm most likely Clyde did this just to be a dick. Yeah, man. You got it fucking you got to roast this dude He's got to handle it. He was in roast mode Model A's and Model T's were notoriously hard to steal because they didn't start with just a simple turn of a key With Model A's and Model T's you had to use this big noisy crank and the whole thing was a complicated

multi-step process Yeah, you got you got to get the the Magigger going and then you got the fuel base pumped Do you got to do the nipple shaft? Yep. You got to hit it three times. You got to say a prayer Yeah, you got to do certain things. Yeah, it's like that scene in East of Eden It's like a ten minute scene in that movie where they're showing him how to start a Model T. Yeah No, that movie is just really good. It is and I'll tell you what mile a minute laugh a minute. Absolutely fascinating Absolutely. Well, of course once WD got to working on stealing the car with Clyde standing right next to him calling him a fucking idiot the whole time The owner of the car a man named Doyle Johnson

Saw him doing it and walked towards WD and Clyde. What are you doing now? I can get away from my car Of course And Johnson got Clyde in the stranglehold and although nobody knows for sure who pulled the trigger. Oh, it was probably Clyde and a second later Dole Johnson had a bullet in his spine and was dead before the day was done. Whoa And with that WD couldn't go home anymore or at least that's now in he's in at least that's what Clyde told them Of course because now you're connected to Clyde. He just did a murder and he needs gang members. Yeah, any people that are are You have to be family didn't there's a part of you that has to be you have to have no choice But to join the gang because if you leave the stakes are too high. That's right. That's buys gang loyalty. Yeah

Yes, I mean, it's the old Jeffrey Epstein rule Yeah, well the other thing about it though is that Clyde the reason why Clyde and Raymond Hamilton always butted heads is because Clyde and Raymond Hamilton were equals Like they were right on the same level WD would do whatever the fuck Clyde told him to do. It must have been scared shillers man. Yeah, you need an assistant man Yeah, Clyde always wanted to be in charge. He was always in charge. It's almost worse. It's almost like small people It's almost like they have a complex Missed the safety of New York

Well, they guess that nobody had recognized Clyde and WD No one knew who the fuck they were in fact It was seven months before anyone was charged with that murder and they ended up charging someone else all together So poor motherfucker that was just have just some town guy That is the saddest part of all of this shit is like all these innocent people. They were just arrested for no reason Oh, yeah, I mean the wake of shit that followed Bonnie and Clyde is wide and deep, but that's it and as it goes I just imagine you up to your nipples in shit Look at me look at me as you're like you're running towards a pile of beer

Yeah, like that video we used to play on the live show the guy in the septic tank in a rubber suit But as time goes you see that like again It's just gets bigger and bigger the problems get bigger and bigger as they go Yeah, and there's really nothing for them to do at some point. Mm-hmm. They're leaning in Yeah, but either way WD was now a full member of the gang whether he liked it or not Oh and yet another character and the mellow drama that was Bonnie and Clyde's life was about to be introduced See Clyde hadn't forgotten about Raymond Hamilton and his best idea to bust him out of jail was to smuggle a radio full of hacksaw blades inside

And you know it's it's like they get this radio and it doesn't work They're like, oh, we might want to check this radio for hacksaw blades and Raymond's like no, no, no I look no, it's it's a radio for dolls and I have just the right ear and if you Know don't even say anything. I want to hear my favorite song. Uh-huh. No, what song what song is that you're listening to there, right? Oh, you can hear the trumpets At the same time though a robber named Odell Chambliss was on the loose in Dallas and the person tasked with capturing Odell was sheriff smooth schmid

Who also was one of the leads on Fraggle Rock? Oh, didn't I know that? Yeah Smoot's real name was Richard, but for some reason he got the nickname of smooth because he was six foot five Oh Ben smooth kiss. Yeah smooth But smooth hey smooth smooth you look like a big jangly smooth A guy who makes a shit so bad it literally runs us out of an entire apartment like you almost just did yeah You guys have been bitching them out. You know what guys? We're not bitching. We're worried. Hey tell it to my doctor, okay? I have a doctor you do yes, my brother my brother set me up with an appointment You've been saying that for four months. I missed the first one

But I'm gonna go to this one. He's gotta see he's gotta check your oils. Yeah, I know yeah Well smooth had been elected on a law and order campaign and law and order was what he was gonna have Even though his previous job had been the owner of a crooked bicycle shop Which had no problem buying stolen bikes. Isn't that funny how that works? Yeah, but smooth had fixated on Odell Chambliss and Odell Chambliss was known to be a regular visitor to Raymond Hamilton sister Lillian who had been given the job of smuggling the hacksaw radio into jail Okay, you can always trust a Lillian to help you with crime. Oh, I really do believe that a Lillian is a very clever mm-hmm

Shrewd woman. I met a Lillian at the police brothers concert by the way shout out to the police brothers They're big-time listeners. Are you serious? I actually went to buy a t-shirt after the concert They were phenomenal and I said I listen to you guys on the road all the time I'm Ben with last podcast on the left and he freaked out and he was wonderful and it was super sweet We gave each other hugs With the tuba player he had an accordion player They really are super super talented and my grandmother's name was Lillian as well clever She used to

First of all No, that is my Oma Whose name I actually it's banked Eric. No, it's banked. Her name is banked. My father's name is banked This is a point no, I know my grandmother was very sweet. She used to get the boys drunk off a gin until the day she died Nice. Well, unfortunately for smooth Schmidt though Bonnie and Clyde were delivering that radio to Lillian on the day that smooth had planned an ambush to capture Odell at Lillian's house Hmm and before the raid was over Deputy Malcolm Davis was dead from a shotgun blast from Clyde's gun

Oh, it was Clyde's second murder in two weeks And the only thing he gained from this one was an implacable new enemy in smooth Schmidt And smooth had quite a few choice words to say about Bonnie as well He called her a tough two-gun girl who is as tough as the back end of a shooting gallery Moot you're going crazy man. Oh shit. I just shit But honestly Bonnie loved this shit. Yeah, loved it. Absolutely loved it Do you think two gun girl is that like code for gang bang? I might be because that's what they said that was a

The one thing about Bonnie that she got really upset about was her portrayal of the newspapers at some point was because they called her a venereal Disease ridden strumpet No, my part of it is this concept that the she would have to be to run with all of these criminal gangs And she would essentially sexually service the entire gang that was kind of a presupposed idea of her role I don't know if Bonnie was doing all of that. No, she was a one-man woman. Yeah. Yeah, Bonnie wouldn't do and all that her sister According to Frank Hamer's book or according to the book about Frank Hamer Her sister did kind of have that role hell. Yeah. Yeah Clyde had to send her home because all of the gang members were fighting over well

That makes a lot of sense the problem is that then you you know that does make a lot of sense because technically it brings up morale up to a point Yeah, but then morale gets too Peek-ed to erect and then morale begins to affect the entire company I feel like that book must have been written by a Texan Yeah, because Texas Texas men gossip more than the chicks on the view. Oh like they love their gossip god the tech Texas But like Texas Cowboys you will never find a more fashion conscious group of gossips In the entire country Roy's belt buckle was on all weird. I didn't even tell him

Well unlike many who underestimated Bonnie just because she was a woman Schmidt rightly pegged her as a fully functioning member of the gang to see while Bonnie only fired a gun a few times She was still right there alongside Clyde during the smaller robberies And she was behind the wheel more than a few times when it came to a getaway really but after the Malcolm Davis murder Bonnie Clyde and WD began living lifestyle They come to be known for over the years sticking up gas stations and grocery stores around Oklahoma, Texas Arkansas and Missouri, okay, and really despite having at least three murders directly attached to him Nobody was permanently on Bonnie and Clyde's trail at this point the way Gwen put it

They use their screwdriver to switch out plates on stolen cars a hell of a lot more than they use their guns Hmm Bonnie even started wearing high heels all the time Oh, they never really had to run anywhere anymore. Just like Jay Edgar Hoover Because then they can really dress apart because at this point They're really feeling it after the shootout at the safe house where would they ended up do the final murder I mean one of the murders that Clyde Barrow actually did himself that night where it's like they're really feeling Yeah, he'd murdered four or five people at this point damn And I think all around like Ed I think as a result of the Barrow gang

I think at this point the other seven or eight and Clyde had murdered four or five of those himself, okay? Now they even formed like a little family unit Bonnie and Clyde called each other honey and daddy Honey's gotta wear her honey pain and WD got the unimaginative nickname of boy Yeah, so it's daddy honey and boy, huh and but and buddy and WD called him sis and bud Okay, yeah, which says is pretty that's pretty common nickname in Texas. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's how you know How that that's how you know who'd have sex with no Texans I know

Actually are probably the least people to do a lot of sister fucking it's more than in other places, right? That's that's that's more of the deep south. Although I did know at least two guys Got caught banging their sisters Hey, man, you spend a long time with some types of sisters. What are you gonna do? Nones are always fucking each other. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know. Well at this time about the only real trouble that Bonnie And Clyde got into is when they kidnapped a policeman named Purcell in Springfield, Missouri But all he had to say about it was that Bonnie had a filthy fucking mouth

That's so funny and that is what everyone said about Bonnie is that she that woman could cuss up a storm That's what's awesome. No again. She's she's bucking She's trying to at this point in time. She's bucking all stereotypes about women and what they're so what is societally acceptable? Yeah, unfortunately, she's still attached to many murders. I know. I'm not saying You can't turn Bonnie into like a feminist icon. I know she's still attached to a lot of I don't know She was wearing an RGB shirt turned one of the robberies Still encouraging Clyde to keep murdering this whole time. Yes, so we can't get we can't fall too much in love with Bonnie Parker here Well, love is never bad. Yeah

Unless it ends in murder. Yeah, how do you like it? You know Bonnie Clyde still came back to see their flat families plenty as well They'd always swing through Texas at least once a month if not more Clyde would throw the Coke bottle and Cumey would call Emma Parker and Tookie Jones and give them the code. The code was I'm fixing red beans Beans You're fixing red beans. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, I'm fixing red beans When I say I'm fixing red beans it means by hammer-oid pop And then the whole family would get together in some isolated park outside of Dallas and they'd all have a good time

It is sweet though that the family unit is still there family unit is very strong Yeah, so they like they they knew what was happening, right? Oh, yeah, they had to know yeah Well, Clyde would always talk to him about the murders like we can come back. It's like yep Another guy got killed, but Clyde would also never take responsibility for any of them You know that's how he always lived is that he he disses himself and it was basically to save Cumey's mind where it's like He wanted to make sure she I sure But he wanted to it's interesting how they go through all of this shit, but they don't want to disappoint their parents Yeah, I'm fixing red beans also sounds like a like a really nice vintage comedy record

Thing that people do with this good period only lasted about three months before it all went to shit Permanently oh in March of 1933 Buck Barrow Clyde's older brother got a full pardon from the new Texas governor Miriam ma Ferguson who was actually serving her second term after spending a couple of years out of office Ma Ferguson the second female governor in the United States no kid Wyoming had the first and Actually the woman in Wyoming beat ma Ferguson by only ten days no kid 1925 only five years after the After the after women got the vote well ma Ferguson is like a massive figure in Texas history correct very corrupt Yeah, yeah, I mean, but you know they were proud of ma Ferguson, but yeah ma ma Ferguson and her husband pa Ferguson

We're both extremely Extremely corrupt, but we'll get into them more on episode three Texas got female Texas governors Are you have to ask me and Richard's a great documentary on it was and Richardson right no just Richard's and Richard's oh my god She was scary and Richard was fantastic. She was the governor when I was a kid everyone looked up to and Richard's everyone loved and Richard's Until Carl Roeve started the lesbian whisper campaign and that's on her career She was one of those people who'd like I'll take your balls put him in a pickle jar And Democrat as well yeah Well Buck was starting to feel bad about leading his little brother into a life of crime

Oh, so many years ago with all the chicken and turkey theft Yeah, because it was both that had brought Clyde along you know it was buck It was like hey, maybe ought to start stealing cars Yeah, yeah, so buck having already turned himself in and finished his time He figured it was his job to convince Clyde to do the same But Clyde he wasn't gonna do that shit because if he turned himself in he was going to the chair Oh, but Clyde suggested that they all take a vacation together anyway Buck figured this was his only shot it may be convinced his brother figured maybe if I spent a couple weeks with him

I can wear him down so buck agreed now buck's wife Blanche Wanted no part in this vacation because Bonnie Clyde and WD were family or not Wanted murder yet. You will not just wanted murderers. They are murder. Yes, right? And this vacation seems to be it would be a really upsetting and it seems to be they'd go on vacation But you know what they'd find? Nothing but trouble. Nothing but trouble and speaking of nothing but trouble I hope you all enjoyed our interview with Dan Aykroyd last week on side stories Oh, we sure availed it. It was it was a pleasure and an honor to speak with that man

But the thing was is that buck said he was gonna go with or without Blanche So she along with her little dog snowball. Oh agreed to go Oh, no at first the vacation was a great time beer had just become legal again Whoa, so the brothers bought a case every night had a little bit of fun while Blanche cooked Clyde his favorite meal English peas with plenty of cream. You love cream Yeah, it's already shit Oh nice makes it easy on the digestion and Bonnie and Clyde even had a little photo shoot It was during this vacation that Bonnie and Clyde posed for the pictures that would make them truly famous

The first picture was Bonnie playfully pointing a gun Clyde's belly while Clyde just laughs and laughs They're having a great time having a great time The other though was a Bonnie putting her foot up on the car's bumper with two six-shooter strapped to her belt and a cigar hanging from her teeth although Bonnie only had the cigar there for show because at the time it became it was very controversial because women were not supposed to Openly smoke and so it was you're supposed to kind of like keep it to the side Bonnie put the cigar in her mouth But then it would haunt her for the rest of her day is because she got mad because people thought that she smoked and she didn't

Want people to think she's smoking cigarettes, but not cigars. Oh, all right cigars make you sick. I don't like cigars Uh-huh. I like them. You really had snickering. Of course. I like him. Yeah, but you're not supposed to inhale it Yeah, it doesn't matter. Okay, but in the destination that the Barrow's chose Joplin, Missouri They had made a fatal error Now it wasn't the law was specifically looking for the Barrow gang in Joplin, Missouri because they weren't Instead the law in Joplin was just on high alert at all times because even though beer was legal again Liquor was still very much illegal under the Volstead Act Which enforced the prohibition of recreational alcohol use

Hmm as a result cops were on the lookout for bootleggers in Joplin, Missouri was a hotbed of Specifically that sort of a legal activity What that meant was that suspicious behavior got more attention there than it might have in other places and the Barrow gang was Inherently suspicious. Hmm. Now, it wasn't the robberies that Buck and Clyde committed together in the Joplin area to fund this vacation They got the attention of cops as Bucks vowed to go on the straight and narrow only lasted about three weeks out of prison Oh, nor was it the armory the Barrow boys robbed which resulted in several new BAR rifles for the gang's arsenal What got the Barrow gang were the small things? The first incident came when a BAR went off while Clyde was cleaning it in the garage of the apartment

They were renting that has got to be frightened. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, well, you should always unload the gun make sure the gun is unloaded before you clean it That's rule number one. Nah, man. Don't be a nerd But this spray of gunfire Alerted the neighbors and the neighbors called the cops when the cops came to look see they noticed that the car parked in The garage had been backed in which was a common tactic for criminals who might have need of a fast getaway And guess what? You don't need to do it and you're just in a parking garage There's one thing that maybe makes me almost die of a brain aneurysm

Is when people are trying to park in the middle of a public parking space and they back into the space You're not robbing a bank. You're just going to the mall. You don't got to do it And you're interrupt the flow you drop the flow are people coming to the parking rush Well, this is kind of an old old person grievance Wow So police planned a raid thinking they were about to take down a few run-of-the-mill bootleggers They had no idea they were about to face the Barrow gang newly armed with high powered rifles

Tragedy here is that Buck and Blanche were about to go back to West Dallas that day Blanche needed to get back to her job at the beauty salon and Buck as Gwen put it was always more of a rascal than a rebel It's true He was just kind of a good times guy and he did little petty crimes for a while But sort of the the the true this thing about him was when he turned himself back in yeah, right where it's like that really was him He wanted to go straight narrow and this is this is a part of what I think is more of the karmic inertia of their game Catching up to them where they were just pulling out. They were just about to stop their vacation and go back on the road Yeah, yeah, but yeah after dipping his toe just a little bit in his brother's world

He was ready to get out now. He's like I can't do this I want a normal life But it wasn't meant to be on the day that everyone was packing up and ready to go their separate ways Joplin police approached the house the five-man squad tasked with the raid were armed only with low caliber handguns Mmm, and they arrived just as Clyde and WD were lowering the garage door and the cops used two cars to block the two Fords parked inside the first cop to rush the gang was County constable West harryman He was just another dude trying to make ends meet by servant warrants But as he tried ducking under the closing garage door Clyde picked up a shotgun and fired

Severing an artery in harryman's neck Officer harry mcginnis opened fire next clipping WD in the side while harryman bled to death on the ground Clyde responded with another shotgun blast, which almost severed mcginnis's right arm from his body It's like he was used fast as shit. Yeah, isn't that how they made a robo cop? Literally what happened with this shot off his lips. Yeah, officer graph was the next to try his luck Honestly, how be you may how amazing would be if this turned into steampunk robo cop? Oh, yeah The graph fired every bullet his gun had at Barrow and WD then DeGraph picked up McGinnis's revolver and fired some more

I was time for the gang to run but their v8 was still blocked by one car and McGinnis's body so under fire Clyde pushed the car that was in the way and Buck dragged McGinnis's body to the other side while the heavily bleeding WD covered him with suppressing fire But it wasn't enough Clyde was shot in the chest before he could get the car completely clear But through an extraordinary piece of luck The bullet hit a metal button on Clyde's shirt and the button absorbed most of the impact Like later like Bonnie dug the bullet out with a hairpin Oh, that was a hurt but also Clyde Barrow is going to be known from there on out too of having what he's called sort of a

Sixth sense about what he said about the cops and the laws that he can kind of understand He kind of felt in the back of his head when they were about to do it There's gonna be many times they're gonna have near run-ins with the police where they just managed to squeak out It's like he got bit by a criminal and became spider-man radioactive criminals Well finally though the whole gang loaded up into the sedan and just rammed the car blocking them out of the way And sped off without further resistance, although they did have to leave snowball behind Oh, I ran off when the gunfire started. Yes. No balls. It got him. No Snowball was a little scared

But by the time the Barrow's left Joplin two cops were dead by their hands and as a result Buck and Blanche were now on the run along with Bonnie Clyde and WD Just just cut to snowball showing up in one of the bodies. Just licking Just licking the blood You're not supposed to like that snowball Now snowball That's not to say the Barrow gang came away unscathed although Clyde's wounds were superficial And Buck had gotten bruised by some straight buckshot WD got straight-up shot

Hmm since it was too risky to go to a doctor Clyde used a tree branch wrapped in fabric to see if the bullet had gone through Now you scream if this hurts too much And after poking the ad hoc medical device in one side of WD and out the other Without any resistance Clyde surmised the bullet had gone all the way through good news and bad news No bullet in there, but now you're also Titus So the only further medical treatment WD got big old Badla aspirin That's great. Okay, aspirin was different back in the day though. It's kind of like fucking oxy. Yeah, I'm sure and they had left Behind one hell of a pile of evidence at the apartment and job

This is how we'd know them. Yeah because of this this bust This is how we fucking know every single thing about Bonnie and Clyde now besides the four BAR rifles the shotgun the Tommy gun and the pistol Blanche and Buck had left behind their marriage license and Buck's brand-new pardon Not good. No really bad actually Now although that was what put Blanche and Buck in the jackpot There was one more thing discovered at the house that would ensure Bonnie and Clyde would reach new heights of celebrity a Role of film because they loved cameras and they loved taking pictures and they documented their entire trip

And also they had their guitars, you know, they trunks of bullshit that they were traveling with yeah See before this Bonnie and Clyde were mostly just names and print because the only picture anyone had of either of them was Clyde's mug Shot, but now the press had full reign to use pictures that would eventually become Iconic see the reason why the pictures were so good was because they were objectively Sexy from looking at Bonnie and Clyde together. It was obvious that they were not only in love was also obvious They were fucking yeah, they fucking they were like the great holding each other fucking full throat laughing like when you see two people at a Restaurant where you know a good date is going where they go They were loving the shit and they they looked good

Mm-hmm fucking in their suits that look a fucking tight And it became the lasting image of what you believe to be the most ultimate romantic criminals of all time Mm-hmm, and if I may put it crudely and bluntly when 1930s men saw the picture of Bonnie and such an un-lady like pose with a cigar in her mouth Didn't hurt that cigar looked like a big ol cock. Yeah Oh, it's sometimes it looks like a big log of shit That's what happened with the dude in the wheelchair in the original Texas chainsaw massacre, right? That's a cigar I didn't know what it was. Yeah, that's what it was either. I thought he was always chewing on a sausage No, I think it's a cigar. Why are there cigars that people don't smoke?

What is with the stokey that you just suck on the old wet? I like chewing on a cigar. Yeah, you get the nicotine It's like chewing nicotine gum, but it's a big fat wet piece of shit Well furthermore the crime magazines that are our forebears and they were just starting to become popular at this time You had magazines like like true detective. Mm-hmm. You had true crime which true crime magazine essentially named the genre of true crime They now had the perfect images to go along with all of this awesome copy the Bonnie and Clyde were providing In short the pictures made celebrities out of Bonnie and Clyde on par with the biggest movie stars of the day They've been known before but now Bonnie and Clyde were a naughty sex fantasy come to life Oh, and it was but I don't know what the car sex was probably pretty stanky

Yeah, but a lot of times it probably was a lot of fun But WD WD had a like look away. They would still fuck well They add because you know after the movie came out, you know It was said that you know Clyde was impotent and WD actually like years later did an interview for playboy magazine And they asked them like was Clyde impotent WD was just like No They had they had sex. Yeah He saw every inch of it

Wow all four foot four foot of them Oh my and suddenly Bonnie Parker's face was being shown in movie theaters But not as the matinee idol She'd always wanted to be rather Bonnie was now in the newsreels before the main picture But Bonnie didn't care She was in the theaters and in the magazines and in the newspapers and everyone thought that Bonnie and Clyde were rich and happy Fuck him when they pleased and killing who they liked. So now we can cue David Bowie's fame. Yeah But in reality

It was just gonna be misery from then on for the Barrow gang and that misery would stretch until the end of their Very short lives and that's where we'll pick back up for the conclusion of Bonnie and Clyde I love this fucking story. It's crazy, man. It's crazy You know what it is is that I was but the last time it's like a reading through the book It begins to feel like a fever dream. Yeah, oh There's because a part of it's very anxiety reducing Oh, yeah Anxiety inducing where you sort of feel like what it would be like to be with them on the road and how hard it is and how paranoid it would get

But if you take this two and a half hour episode of this fucking up of this show, right? Non-stop activity. Yeah for Bonnie and Clyde. They did not stop after that first Chase when they were in the mud and the mills. They literally the closest thing they had was that two-month vacation But you're literally they're still running all the time because they're still robbing places all the time. Yes They are just it is just this rolling Sea of chaos. Yeah, well be careful what you wish for because you just might get it And this is I guess this is a strange master plan of theirs. I guess yeah And the fever dream thing definitely works

I mean because it at the same time it feels like it lasts forever and It feels like it lasted a day all at the same time My time is completely out the window when it comes to talking about these guys That's what you said Henry when you were first fucking reading this is like all this feels like it happened in a day It feels like they just and they never went to sleep Yeah, that it just kept rolling, but then that that's why they kind of the short burst of energy I think psychically it burns its way on to society There's something there's something about the the the fact that it was so short-lived and so fast and furious is

What allowed it to live until now now? We're talking about them as if they are they were fucking still a lot absolutely just like Motley crew I remember that behind the story behind the music I like the Huey Lewis of the news one where they just basically said yeah We did drugs, but then we quit of and now we all live in the same community together and barbecue every weekend All right, well there it is Bonnie and Clyde part two that was awesome this story is so fucking trippy It's so much fun. It's weird that the movies missed the mark on everything. Yeah, it's like there's so much cool stuff I want to see the real Bonnie and Clyde movie. Yeah, absolutely

I think there was a really shitty like Amazon Prime show for just a little bit, but I don't think it lasted too long And it looked real bad. It looked real bad like a lot of things from Amazon Doesn't last too long. Yeah, I don't know. I had a really good time with my new coffee maker It's been lasting for about a year. You could have shopped at a different place other than Amazon for that coffee maker I'm sure that there's websites that you could have gone to the coffee maker store All right everyone, thank you all so much for listening. So we are in Australia right now right now And yeah, so we can't wait to see everyone. I believe Sunday. We are in Perth, right? Yeah, Sunday I think it's Sunday. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, go look at our website last pocket something left.com to see all of our Australia dates

We're only there like this week And we're not coming back I'm just saying it to get Honestly, I don't know maybe we'll come back to Australia, but it's gonna be a long time before we fucking come back So if you want to see you want to check us out come to Sydney Yeah, come to Perth by these tickets. We're really excited to fucking see you guys honestly and I am I'm nervous for the flight Yeah, we're about to go on it, but I'm really very excited to see what Australia has to offer So we're not in Australia. You just outed me for lying. Well, they know we mentioned we were in beautiful

Sunny, Los Angeles at the top of the show. We can't always lie. We actually don't have the ability to Yes, absolutely. The flight is gonna be interesting. I hopefully I'm alive by the end of it I think I will be though. I think so. I'll do it. You just need to get up and walk around Yeah, everyone on the flight. No, just make sure those clots don't fucking settle in ask a woman to massage your legs. Oh, that's appropriate. Massage my legs. You have to help. All right, everyone. Hail yourself. Hail Satan. And we also got a couple of fun dates to announce as well Yeah, we got more dates in August to announce on August 16th. We're going to Atlantic City I am looking forward to will we live? Yeah, but I was just there with Puffin my lucky charm

Blackjack and roulette came home with fourteen hundred bucks, buddy I think that you've literally got a taste of the poison that it's supposed to bring you back and kill you We're the first taste. You're like, ooh exotic. What is this? And that's the AC lie. That's a lie. It's fishing you in Then on August 17th, we're going to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. And on August 18th, we're going to Port Chester, New York. All right, absolutely Okay, everyone. We will talk to you soon. Hail yourselves. Hail Satan. Hail Gene. Magus. Congratulations. Hail me. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support our shows by supporting them For more shows like the one you just listened to go to last podcastnetwork.com