Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 376: Joe Palczynski / The Bloody Benders

Episode Date: August 3, 2019

On this "relaxed fit" episode, we talk about the Baltimore spree killer Joe Palczynski who held a family hostage for days, the saga of the Bloody Benders, and MORE.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left Oh man back in your groove you're in it buddy covered with street water Like it's just a wave of it They nobody gives a fuck no they laugh at you when you get splashed with street water in New York It's pouring rain out there. That's part of the fun. It is. I do feel like I'm a part of the game again Honestly, though, I want to do what so get a crossbow Yeah, I start showing people that I too can play the game, but in a different way Yeah, blasts for keeps uh-huh interesting

I don't think they allow crossbows in a crossbows in New York City though. Unfortunately. It is very scary. I think it's it's it's a Chaoxity, it has a crazy place. I mean if you type into Google crossbow it auto fills to crossbow legal in NYC And what's the answer? Let's see before we start this show. We need this answer the law allowing crossbow use across the state is not perfect Not a perfect law it's so it's not allowed everywhere That's what's not perfect about it. I can't take a crossbow and bring it into a bank I take a crossbow and bring it to a church You should be able to crossbows cannot be used to hunt anything big game or small and Nassau Suffolk or Westchester County What about equalizing the population doesn't say about that? I really think about that. Yeah, but the class warfare

Can I can I participate in class warfare using crossbow in New York City proper? Not if you're 500 feet near a school. Okay good to know That's actually reasonable and technically every we see a child on the street here in New York City That's just that's a school of hard knocks. There it is You also cannot discharge a bow or crossbow so that the load or arrow passes over any part of a public highway What are they doing? Just are they using dookie for their crossbow weapon? What if for their ammo? Oh, don't oh, I'm gonna load up this crossbow. No, it's a bolt. Oh, really? Hey, what's up everyone? How you doing? This is the last podcast on the left and we are doing I am we are putting on our old Navy pants And what are old Navy pants relaxed? I did. I feel like I'm inside of Chris Christie's

Fanny pack. Oh, I know. Oh relax. It is so relaxing and I do have to say have you had the old Navy pants? For about two weeks until they finally fall apart. No, they don't Feel that stretch It's like skin skin. Yeah, that's not how Jean is supposed to feel. It's not jeans. I'm like a Sharon Tate I'm wearing tight tight pants. Are you still buying pants at old Navy? Yeah, I have to they're the only ones that fit me I'm a thirty eight thirty six still at old Navy. Okay, every other pants. I am a forty four Yes, because they make them for big people who want to live a life And that is what I'm doing

You're like Sharon Tate in the fact that you have something inside you that it's about to be in size by a bunch of hippies No, I don't honestly I do have to go back to the doctor and you know these crazy doctors nowadays with all of their bizarre hippie thoughts You never know was this about your gout No, you say you told me yesterday that you're trying to spread your gout so it's more legit Your gout to be bigger I don't want my gout to be bigger. I say gout get out 2019 but what I did Your foot doesn't fix it. You need to stop drinking BLs until you fall asleep every night. I know once it's there

It doesn't go away. I understand the lies. Yes. I know but what I said was oh I should go have some lobster because Henry said he ate at Green Point lobster and fish company. It's good It sounded very good. Yes, so we can say go there if you're in Green Point check out the lobster Support the small businesses around Green Point, but I said I want to get the lobster gout Not just the Bud Light gout so I don't feel like a peasant I feel like a king But also like a peasant eat more shellfish and hopefully it grows in the other foot. Yeah, then I can equalize it And then I can have no comfort whatsoever in my life. Yeah, that's what you want. It keeps you on edge

It's in New York groove, baby. It's always being upset. It's kind of fun It kind of you know, it makes you feel like a soldier except we're not in a war but it feels like I'm in It is. I mean honestly, it is just New York That is why when Henry came in he's had a rough day Marcus because you know, he's you know what he's used to Oh It really is the truth that you're just just no weather in Los Angeles. Yeah, right nothing changes Los Angeles exactly the same every day except for fire and the ground Shaking uncontrollably. So it's that's it. So it's just existential threats

Yeah, just massive massive threats to your entire livelihood. So today I want to relax for an episode Sometimes we like to come in with things we like to talk about I know that Marcus has some interesting information basically around the same generation as bell gunners So excited that we got through the bell gunner series love fucking love that big old woman And what a great response honestly Thank you all so much for for loving that series some kick-ass fan art was also made bell gunners It like it reminds me of when people because I was always asked because my body is very I was 400 pounds then I shrunk down a little bit and now I'm like I have a unique body

So yeah, we all have unique bodies unique. Well, Marcus has a good. He's a toffee He's a toffee. You can't you can't sculpt the inside of a body. You got to sculpt the outside But on the other hand, I also have the overly large hands and feet which makes that just makes me look weird overall Yeah, you have big hands. You have big feet. You have ghoul's eyes. You have crispy hair But in a normal technically body But it's the outside if I were to draw a line of what your body looked like it would look like if Goofy had committed suicide and that was like The way they discovered and that's what forensics goofy committing suicide would be so sad

But anyway, I was always approached by people who are in like sculpting classes, right like art classes You got this too. Yes, because they want unique bodies And the thing is super fat and going into a life drawing class and they're like, oh, we're so excited Look at all the shading we get to do today talking about all the folds and how interesting it was to the pen You guys got I must sculpt you. I must draw you. I swear to god the sculptors and the drawers They would look at people like Henry and I as if we were prime prime tenderloin and they were like I need to get that It was like we were 10 we were like bow derrick tens to those people But then in reality you also realize when you do show up to those and I only went once but I did not get naked

But they also have really They have people with really good bodies too. They do and you're like and now for the sideshow portion of our class Yeah, definitely like so I'm the b team So everybody can get used to drawing what it looks like when a man who's lost 100 pounds Whose pub area that has now turned to sort of like a meat curtain over only making his Scottish penis look less impressive You want to make sure you can really draw every curly on that. Absolutely in the clay companies It's it's about big clay because they want you to use more and they see people like us And they're like that's going to be a double clay day in that art class

We're making money on top of money and I understand because again We need to be supported because you know what we do we buy Sneakers we're talking about having weird bodies got a sneakers the only way to have a fashion sense in your life Right. Absolutely. So we are driving that industry. We are driving and not it's never athletes It's people who sit they get the good sneakers. Yeah, because you can't wear them in New York No, you're covered with gunk. You do I try to keep us you clean Right and then also you just can't it's just they they want it because we're the consumers So they want to support us. Yes. So anyway, why did we start talking about that bell guttas? Yeah, and bell guttas

She was the the artwork that has come out from our amazing listeners has been absolutely kick ass Well, I've had some people bring up the fact that they wish that they had more details on the actual murders And I wish we had them too. Yeah, I wish we had more details on the actual murders But the thing is about murder details where that always comes from is from the killers themselves You only get and we talk about this a lot in the book actually is that we talk about how When you get the the murder when you get the details from the murders You are automatically relying on the least reliable believable person in the room Yes, exactly and you're helping create this person's myth

You're helping create the idea of this person's legacy in the world of true crime Well, but of course you also get some information when you walk into a Milwaukee apartment, for example And you see an ashtray made out of a human skull I think that does lead to some like investigative minds be like they must have saw that skull in half Probably Do you notice that like people's apartment smells? Of course. Yeah, everyone's apartment has a smell. Everybody has a smell and some are worse than others We're like our buddy that's about to have one of our friends was describing that he accidentally there was a flood in their apartment

complex and he was in he had to go into somebody else's apartment because he was on the board and he was like the weird The the musk of human particles from in there because that's really all you're smelling. You're smelling a melange Of particles from every part of that stranger's body that is now physically entering your nose And sticking to the insides of it That's how you fall in love That is it. I mean that was the great thing kevin barnett bird luger uh go and listen to old round table of gentlemen episodes to hear His brilliant voice, but that's what he he had that great joke about farting in that kid's face And just because he was a science guy

He was big yes, and so he knew all of so if you would fart around kb He knew he was sniffing shit. See I don't really think about it. I'm like whatever, you know I try to like you can't think about it, but he really affected him negatively. Yeah, it really I'm not saying I love it I'm just saying I try not to think you actually small particles a duke, but you're not saying you love it I don't love it Well, what would you say about like, you know finding the uh, you know the skulls and jeffrey diamonds apartment like sometimes You can recreate a crime through if you find the body where essentially if the killer leaves the body Where they killed them then you can recreate the crime that way like that's how we were able to recreate like the richard chase murders

And kathryn knight is a very specific example of they literally saw the blood trail from one part of the house to the next And saw the blood pool of where the guy was They could piece it all together and then had his skin up on the wall That's so they can actually see exactly what happened Which is just more kathryn knight being really helpful to the police Is that what that was for? I think that was for us what she did, but actually now if I've kind of Since doing belganis that finishing it and deeper into the research about her I do actually believe she would have torn kathryn knight apart. Yeah deeper

No, she would have taken kathryn knight and speaking of kathryn knight actually I have to give a quick Thank you to a listener who made my dreams come true made his dreams come true A listener named emma mcbride from michelton queensland, australia Okay, so that's the connection right with emma and kathryn knight because you just said speaking of kathryn knight Here's another woman from australia. Nope. She sent me four cans of solo Original lemon She sent me some tim tams and some are not's kingston, which is my favorite australian biscuit He was almost out of sugar. He was and i'm so glad you sent it to him because it's helping him

I have actually been very good about Uh, meeting out my sugar usage at home since coming back from australia and since springing pretty much an entire suitcase is worth Of australian candy. You're doing better even though all the candy is in the house. Yeah, okay Yeah, I just wanted you to be I just want you to be healthy. Oh, i'm healthy and happy. I'm a healthy boy Look at this. It's great. If you when I walked in here today, you guys, I know the first thought on your mind was he is healthy both physically and mental He's doing great. You just looked at me. You're like he is doing Fantastic another captain of the ship. I love seeing him steered into the way. Absolutely

Definitely did not get like the hushed voice. Are you doing okay, buddy? No, I'm doing fine That's a way to know you're doing fine. So your friend's going you're doing okay, buddy But it's not like you it's more like you're doing okay. You're doing okay. That's just you yelling. Yeah I want to talk about so I had got this sent to me a little bit while ago I got this sent to me a little while ago and every once in a while which I love Like because we don't really have a lot of time like to cover like Small stories in true crime history that have been around for either a couple of years a couple days especially news shit Where it's like we like to do

bigger stories for our last podcast and so every once in a while I'll get a story that's sent It's like and it's four side stories or now our relax fit episodes that are just fucking compelling Okay, and one was the story of a man named joe peltsinski or paltsinski Who is from the baltimore area and it's been a lot of Talk about baltimore in the news recently. Oh, yeah sure. I've baltimore's beautiful city. It is. It's charm city, baby Yeah, it's a beautiful city filled with warm people a lot of spirit there Yeah, baltimore is where we started off our live shows very first place

We did a live show outside of new york city was in baltimore. It's a very special place We love the people of baltimore wish everybody the best stay safe. It is a complicated city It is very complicated and there seems to be a lot of conflict within the city literally the wire was just based off of baltimore That is it. That's how complicated it is and the story of joe paltsinski is the story of a spree killer in the suburbs of baltimore Who in march 2000 killed four people and held a family of three as hostages in nearly a four day standoff Oh, my one of the longest known conducted by one man essentially Joe paltsinski uh had a falling out with his nearly 20 year younger than him girlfriend tracy whitehead

She was 22 and he was 47 25 years. Why would she leave him? I don't know I mean, he's peak 47 year old man meat So this is the way the story kind of turns into something more irregular is that so joe was mad that Joe was mad that tracy left him tracy left the house where they mutually lived together to go to her sort of Basically her not her godparents, but sort of like guardians that were just not her parents like older people that she was super close with I'm just gonna say she's 22. She could go to college You know she could but you know what some people are not academically or set for college or financially set that's true And not everyone has to go to college go to a vocational school do whatever you want to do

So she arrived at the home of george and gloria shank on march 7th 2000 and And paltsinski decided that he would have it basically what you'd know up to this point is that they just thought paltsinski was her Sort of troubled boyfriend, right? He had spent some time in insane asylum He was medicated for a bipolar disorder. Uh, and he had actually already had done one instance of armed hostage taking early on in his life Well, those are massive red flags. No, no, no, no, he's changing. He's growing Because it's still a boyfriend when they're 47 isn't that's a man friend. That's what I would call it. I think it's a father substitute And so he went and so

Basically, you know, so paltsinski was a bad dude Uh, but not bad dude fucked up. It's fucked up guy made a lot of questionable decisions Tracy decided that she wanted to leave him which is now what we now know about an abusive relationships The most dangerous time for an abusive relationship is trying to get out. Absolutely something I think that the the odds are something like 60 percent That's when if murders are going to happen they happen in that time period of you leaving the house This is why you got to have a friend that you can trust who has what a crossbow Make sure they have a crossbow and just silent killer too because you don't have to like because the latch is

The pulling little string is very quiet if you but essentially you do it fast. Absolutely. So he showed up saying tony saying hey Tracy we're getting out of here. Those are his exact words and he killed the entire family He killed the two fathers, but he left their 12 year old son He then takes her to a second location where uh takes her to a hotel Where she's the according to witnesses they say that she is acting like they are she's supposed to be with him She's acting like kind of fun and like they're having a good time like they're on a little vacation But as soon as she's able to disappear she disappears, right? So she she escapes

So she's like i'm gonna go get some ice and then just like dips out books it balsinsky goes completely insane He is now on the run. He uh murders somebody into carjacking basically yadda yadda yadda It ends up with pal schinsky In the our tracy's parents home with her mom her arms boyfriend and their 12 year old son So tracy's brother and he holds them up for four days Inside of this home now the reason why this is really interesting is that on the internet? They have three hours of the standoff of just the newscast

From local news in baltimore. They're outside of the house just reporting live from the scene. It is Fascinating yeah, because it's a time machine Into 2000 right it goes back and this is why the only reason why i'm talking about this is that y'all should go and watch this on youtube Like fuck them spark a j get a couple of like it's weird having a play in the background of my own Apartment like listening to it happening like it's happening live like kind of walking in and out I mean live television like live news broadcasts. They have been fascinating to us forever I mean look at i mean oj, of course when the white bronco chase pizza sales It was the best thing that ever happened to dominoes of pizza. They skyrocketed

And of course in ala in your neck of the woods car chases. I love michelle beadle. She's a she's an esb Uncommentator every time she's there's a car chase. She does an insta story about it It is endlessly exciting because what's gonna happen? Thanks to the citizen app. This is a notification I got this morning from my own neighborhood man in rainbow shorts wielding switch blade exposing self Well, good to good to know not gonna go outside. Thank you. Oh, is that the Ralph's all good? Oh, that's fun But the reason why but So what we're gonna find out is you watch the you watch it unfold

It's absolutely incredible if you have the time and if you like that sort of like Feeling like you're in the moment like old school true crime kind of storyline You're a part of the storyline. It's so fun to watch. Do they cut to nancy grace at any point during this This is pre hln nancy grace. Oh my when we did the 9 11 episodes way back when like I watched something like I think it was somewhere on like eight to ten hours of just local news footage From 9 11 like local new york news local new york news stations. That stuff is fascinating to watch because you get the old commercials Which is honestly, I love it. They did not take commercial breaks during 9 11

And how are we gonna sell and how are we gonna get batteries? But strangely enough 1 800 collect gonna do I am sure that pizza sales skyrocketed though. I'm sure they're not a sadness probably not in new york No, not new york Good lord knowing new york they interviewed donald trump and now he when he was bragging about having the tallest building in new york Even though that was also a lie. He still didn't have the tallest building in new york He'll get his But this story is very very interesting to see and I do want me to even tell you the end because the ending is fascinating

Yeah, I want to know because I was looking a little bit at this guy's bio. His nickname was joby joby And his occupation was both electrician and bodybuilder. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, he was an amateur bodybuilder. He was making money at one of those things And then he was also a bodybuilder and the other one he was spending money because you get all the pills You got to go you have to all the memberships. It takes a lot until all the food all the protein So this guy is also just jacked up on creatine the whole time. Yes. Do they know anything like do they know anything about that? Was he take I mean, I'm of course I'm not saying that all bodybuilders take steroids, but I will say that bodybuilders are more likely to take

Stare was completely clean. He was kind of problem But they said is that he went off meds and as soon as he went off meds. He was completely unstable Very very dangerous person which is unfortunate because he was kind of a he was a victim But also he was an asshole So it's all of that. You got us as marcus always says what is that marcus? You always say it's your responsibility Mental health is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. Yeah, absolutely And so the ending was was that so they did this for four days straight He stayed up for four days with them at gunpoint two old people and a little kid

So and they cut down the whole if you watch baltimore get more and more upset because they evacuated the entire neighborhood Right the evacuated neighborhood to put people into the elementary school where they're all just living and they're like It's a fucking hurricane. Oh my god. They shot two dogs Of people's dogs in their homes Just shot the dogs because they started freaking out at the cops coming in the house Dude, well, I learned a little bit about why dogs often get shots I was I was talking to my buddy who's a firefighter because they're squealers Well, what he said was if you hear

Uh, uh, if you if you're knocking on a door and you hear a dog that might be a pitbull for example sounding like a goose like honking like I don't know how goose honks When do dogs sound like that when they cut their, uh, courts when they when they cut their, um, what do you call them speaking courts? Spocal courts because they do that so then you can't hear them coming and they say if you hear that You can't open the door You got to call the police right away and most likely they just pop a A bullet in the dog because that dog is just because that dog is just trained to straight up like fuck you up

Yeah, they assume the dog is trained to kill because if they tend to be in that situation because there's no other reason to cut the Vocal courts out of a dog. Yeah, maybe you just like the idea of making it like a little marley matlin Like a cute little being like i'll teach it to overcome its obstacles. No, it's sad. The pitbulls are very smart Yeah, and because of that they can be used for bad. That is brutal. Um, that's horrible. No, i'm sad Now i'm actually visually sad. I didn't know that in any of that. Yeah, but the way it ends was that they finally Um, they had built a rapport with him because now at this point everybody like you should watch again Like watch the footage so you could see they go to various family members of both tracy And joe b and ask him like it's people pleading me and like you gotta let him out joe

You gotta let him out. This is bad. Like I do like She sunk it. They're not canadian. I don't know No, do they call it baltimore baltimore balmer balmer Do they call like martin o'Malley to come and play some acoustic guitar for him and all that stuff like that It was like all of these people called up and it was just like it's like my name is is renginal fremington I am in charge of the milk Dispository and I do all the distributional milk and I'll tell you what if I can help I'll help I'll send milk like everybody was calling me because you mean like we've got pizzas outside

If they're hungry, but he wouldn't let the pizzas come in and so one dude is setting up gym equipment Just like come on out. Come on out. Do some lifts. Do some squats He's just like getting people signed up for memberships for his local like metalhead gym And so well basically they were getting tired and finally one of the old he allowed one of them to go get him a glass of water They said do you want me go get you a glass of water? He said yes They went they put xanax in the water. He drank it. He fell asleep Right. He fell asleep with the gun still in his hands. And then the old people just left and left the 12 year old behind What? What did the 12 year old do?

Reasoning was tell me this 12 year old wasn't like problem child where he had a connection with the guy. He was just like wearing a bow tie Can I hold the gun? Look grandpa. I can fucking kill you now They uh, it was very they try to say afterwards. It was actually very uh controversial because they had left the kid behind And they were like the kid the guy's sleeping. They said we saved ourselves so that we could save the kid How you left the kid? But why didn't they take the kid with them? Well, we learned from Bonnie and Clyde What you go if those who can go go

So that they could come back and save whoever's left this old couple wasn't about to explore the world in a crime spree That would be notorious throughout time. They just got just left. You can always make another kid You can't it takes years to make another. Well, what happened to the 12 year old? Fine. I imagine I don't know if they're dead now, but they seem to be alive Okay, so I don't know anything current but this 12 year old is in therapy because First of all to stand off and then second of all the abandonment issues that must come when you know your caretakers Would not protect you in the case of a home invasion. I think it teaches you it teaches you a proper amount of distrust of authority Oh, well, that's a very interesting story. No, not everyone ended up fine

Joby ended up being shot by police officers 27 times. Yeah, you know the 26 didn't kill him So you got to get to 27th in there. That's what uh, so basically they then stormed He woke up like Some strong water and they all were like so all 20 cops like he's reaching for the gun They're killing them like they tried like they shot Nordberg and naked guns. They just like went in on him Well, pretty much how it ended the reason the parents the grandparents say the reason why they didn't take the child was because the child was sleeping And they were afraid that if they woke up the child the child would be upset and wake up joby and nobody would get away So they left. Yep. Uh, what kind of is this like is he like what is it like?

They went to go like take me like, oh, should we get him away from the armed house a checker? No? Oh, he's sleeping like an angel But how does he wake up like How does he wake up when the kid just also how did I'm this kid? Nerves of steel just be like, I'm gonna go catch a nap. What day are we out here with this home invasion day three I'm gonna go catch a snooze real quick things become The human being is a Amazingly adaptable. I know primate. We can figure out how do we can sleep anywhere?

Is that what you're saying? Yes, I can't I can't sleep in a fucking hotel room. That's perfectly comfortable Well, you have a problem. I have deep deep incredible horrible insomnia. Yes, man Well after the parents got out that's when the cotton they got out and they were like he's sleeping just go in and shoot him And then they went outside told the cops. Yeah, he's inside and apparently he was sleeping on a pile of weapons But did not have a weapon in hand when the cops went in for the final seat So we just pooled together all the semi-automatics was like, oh, this is a nice pillow Wow, they said he sat up and reached for a weapon and then when he reached for a weapon They said that's when he got fucking ventilated. Oh my god. A lot of people have different

Tempur-pedic like numbers. Sure. Mine is always at Charlton Heston's number. I can only sleep on a pile of automatic weapons. Absolutely Yeah, but it is it's an interesting story. Yeah, and the guy that put slipped him the Xanax Uh attempted to later claim the $10,000 reward for his apprehension. Honestly, he deserves it No, but they didn't give it to him. Why not because the cops felt they got him No, but they gave the reward to themselves. They got him on uh a technicality Because they said the reason why they didn't give him the $10,000 is because he called 9-1-1 Instead of calling metro crime stoppers They needed out of here. That is some petty dog shit, dude. There's also 10k. I'm just gonna say

That's not even enough. No, because that's a 100k crime. It's six. Oh my god. Yeah easy It is it is uh the story also just reveals a lot of also inherent corruption And ball more as well It's just fun to see when you watch the actual coverage and all of the personalities Of this neighborhood right baltimore speaking the heart of baltimore Coming out in one big swath and it's very very fun where it's been like people's going like I tell you why I wouldn't understand us why he's not using some kind of he needs a bigger gauge gun If you're going to use it to kill a whole family you can line them all up

And they're like go like from head to head to head if you've got a big enough bullet you can just kill them all with one bullet What sir you could actually be watching this this is live television Yeah, we want you you're gonna line them up here You're right and then you put the gun up against the little first ones here and then you can kill all of them in one go joby It turns out we shouldn't have gone to the federal prison to interview people on what they think about what's going on. This is my home. Okay Very interesting. So go watch it. It's uh, I don't know. I don't know why it's so interesting to me Well, I mean it's it's it's sound. I mean, it's like could you can imagine being there when I was growing up We had one incident where they were partying at this house

It was a little cul-de-sac be about a half a block away from my house And somebody had it took out their gun accidentally shot one of their friends standoff occurs six hours later This guy attempts to commit suicide doesn't do it quite right blows off his face He's now blind and can't speak he's in prison for life But he regrets that he regrets a lot of things and poor guy because we were actually friends with his younger sister And it's like just really says but they evacuated everybody so we had to go to my grandma's house And we watched it live on steven's point local news And it was like really one of the more captivating television moments. I can remember the reporters were so excited

Yeah, because the whole time they're like we will show we're obviously giving you up to the minute Every second we have new information will let you know But also the cops are using us to communicate with the suspect Right, so see that we are an important part of this process. Well, that's that's a good question. When do you think it becomes predatory? um exploitative when it comes to covering crimes right because local news and And national news they don't seem to have much tact or like any kind of understanding that like real Lives have just been lost nothing has the petty shallowness of now back in the day It just doesn't so now it's like even if it was exploitive then now it's actually fairly tasteful

I mean, I think even remember the way they covered Columbine Just the way they were like zoom in on the kids jumping out of the windows Interviewing every I mean, that's why we got all this misinformation about Eric and Dylan You know, it is kind of a bizarre gray area, but it's just sad. I mean, I guess they're just chasing the viewers So well, it's not like it's all it is definitely a new thing as far as the Uh press being a callous about this shit and doing anything for the story like I remember I think going back to Bonnie and Clyde the way they covered that too. Yeah the way they covered that and uh I remember something from the son of Sam episodes that we talked about

As uh, there was a guy that was working for uh, Rupert Murdoch working for the post And Rupert Murdoch told him get the story no matter what told the reporter like get the story get the angle that nobody else has So what this reporter did is 1977 new york He posed as a grief counselor And hauled up the victim called up the family of one of the victims and pumped them for information Oh, that's dirty how you get the story. Oh, that's dirty though. My god It's one of the dirtiest slimmiest things I've ever heard a journalist do Uh, but they've always been awful wasn't I think that what murdoch owns the sun too, right?

They had that big controversy where they were posing as all these different Do you remember when they hacked in the phones? Yeah, they hacked all the phone hacky And you know and going back to belganis for a second, you know the that was one thing that we didn't really cover a ton in the episode Uh, but harold schecter covers it at length in the book is how the press approached the belganis story And how they would print whatever lie they wanted to print they printed I mean, this was during the time of yellow journalism So it's like just say it and we'll figure it out later And what they would do is, you know, you want to talk about like callus. They would attach belganis to any story

That even tangentially had something to do with it. So people would see the name belganis and buy the paper I remember there was one story I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was a story about a dog that had dug up like a bunch of Like a dog that had gotten in trouble for digging up a neighbor's garden And you know, and there was a conflict between the two neighbors. And so they called it the doggy gunness Like they attached belganis to this like just dog I didn't have fun, but that's that's what they I mean, but journalism used to be so much worse Was it are you sure do you really think it was worse?

They used the read rate lie Absolutely, I mean now I'm what do I say journalism though? I'm talking the whole scope of fake information we have now Absolutely, we are I have info wars right now. Dude. It's it used to be worse than info war. It used to be so Like it used to be straight up lies at every point like now Yeah, that what we're going through now It's like it's it's nothing new at all and it's actually better than it used to be because it used to be like You get a newspaper that has what you think is the facts that you you think like this it is imprints that uh was that That mr. Showed joke that like I've seen something in print. It has to be true

Yes, of course that kind of mentality In these but these newspaper men like just and they took advantage of that And so they would print these outrageous stories just to sell newspapers got a silk copy and now we have the internet So if you do understand we talk you're responsible for your own education in this country right now so you have to try to look at various stories and then see where the agendas lie and what what kind of what are they trying to sell to you What is the angle that they're covering? Yes, you have to go and do your own independent research to make sure you cover the other side as well

Also, the problem with that is we have to rely on the minds of human beings and oftentimes They're not necessarily strong when it comes to critical thinking So you'll have someone that I guarantee you has had this This conversation with a friend and they said well, you know, it's really interesting steve if the earth is hollow How could it be flat? You know like I mean, how is that so we're looking at the evidence here? That is critical thinking that's critical thing So because I agree it's flat, but I also think it's like so it's like a thin crust like yeah, so this is like a a

pita Yeah, the earth is a big pita bread. That's how shamba shambhala and flat earthers come together Oh Because it's still a big pita I mean that we're like the cheese I hate you, sir Oh another cool thing about belganis we actually got an email from a listener named Aaron who works as a research genealogist out at ellis island

And she actually found that belganis did come to america through new york city She's just like eddie murphy They found that she came in under the name brinhilde pauls daughter in 1879 Wow, but then didn't just turn out that this is like a whole year before that they believe that she Well originally landed in america. Well, it is a year before a year or two before She said on her official census records later That she came into america So she had lied to everyone about when she came into america or it could be one of two things

It could be either that she lied uh about when she came into america and If that's the case then that means that belganis was fucking around america or new york city And nobody has any idea what she was doing just her and uh elbert Is it elbert fish albert fish? Yeah, it's just her and elbert fish just talking about what they ate for dinner I think they were separated by about 50 years Uh her and albert fish right they were separated by about Yeah, about 50 years. Hell yeah somewhere around there. Yeah, because albert fish was the 20s, correct?

I believe so. Yeah, but belganis just out there Maybe she meant like a suitor like a businessman, but he he originally hires her to just appear on his arm as arm candy So that he wouldn't be alone at this dinner party that he even wants to go to because maybe he's getting jaded With the way business is going, but then he saw that sparkle in her eye and her tiny feet How jolly she was and he fell in love. Yeah, I don't know if it could be called arm candy if belganis is your girl Maybe it's more like arm pork chop Yeah, I want an arm pork chop. I love an arm pork chop. That's an arm licorice, right? Licorice

Licorice or it could but it could be that you know She was lying about when she came in so she didn't because she didn't want anyone to know what she was doing in that year It could also be that she just didn't really know what year it was. That's what I was thinking too. Like is that possible? Yeah, she was having a gap year. Yeah, but a real gap year when you actually don't know what the year is Yeah, not like it's my 39th birthday for the 10th year in a row That's the oj simpson joke that he did on twitter. I know I stole She were the carlos minceal You stole a joke

You you think that oj created that joke you think that oj simpson started that i'm not gonna tell him to his face I'm not gonna give me the give me the joke again. Give me the joke. It's my oj simpson celebrated a birthday And he made a video on twitter and said he was celebrating his 30th 39th birthday Yes, and then he laughed to himself and then his caddy laughed. It's weird Can you imagine because his caddy was scared? Yeah, everyone is scared But he is just out there on twitter and we've talked about this before if you're if you're a significant other follows oj on twitter I don't know. I'm just gonna say whoop red flag is up. It is that you sound like you fucking got an erection. No, that's a red flag No, I remember my mom used to have a nice little uh fridge magnet and sit 39 and holding

No, just like two six shooters It sounds like a bunch of weed I knew a lot of 39 and holdings. It's kind of that's how I first started like even seeing what weed was It was my aunt juliette. Really? Your aunt juliette smoked a lot of weed. Oh, yeah, she gave weed to the family That's great. Good for her, but my father wouldn't know because my father thought weed made you gay Hey Typical new york city police officer. Yeah And I did the opposite for me. It just made me hornier for women. Did he ever explain his logic on that?

He's a new york city police officer. He also felt it made you not manly to brush your teeth It was one of those guys. It doesn't make any sense It's just it's something that happens in a submarine Something happens inside of the tube of a submarine that changes the way those brave small men think those men and this is not bad They were actively cornholing each other and they were just oh no no sex You don't think they had sex with each other. No my father the way my dad said I don't know about his navy experiments. It sounds like they just got really really drunk But I don't think he'd ever talked about interesting. Hmm. I mean because don't really drunk

You and I have gotten drunk Yes, how many fucking times that honestly and you have never tried to suck my dick except that one time And it was different because you were like I want to see if you blow up like a tire if I could just Honestly, don't even joke about it. No, but submarines, of course, they were full of wild activities going on without a doubt Nothing makes me less attracted to you than the way you are when you're drunk You are your mother you're your mother Unbelievable I couldn't fit on a submarine. So my people the kissle family are innocent of all submarine accusations Yeah, we're a little bit too large for submarines as well. Yeah, honestly

I think you're the Zabrowski's are the only ones that could fit on a sub marines. Yeah, you guys are marines I am a naval. I'm a navy man. I would have been you would be but I Uh, am not good at anything nor am I brave right? That's the problem. Yeah, I became a performer Oh, absolutely. Well also speaking of belganis There was something actually that I picked up at comic con over in san diego Thank you everybody who came out to our san diego shows came out to our comic con shows Came out came out to see uh, ben just absolutely destroy henry in the fish eating con fish taco eating con I have a saffa guino scarring

I apparently you do but you are always challenge. No, but maybe you shouldn't have challenged me Uh, I never eating competition. Legitimately. I was just a saffa girl scarring Well, the problem was is that I couldn't just set it up. So it was was it just us watching you eat But that's really what I wanted to do. I didn't want to do it in the first place I wanted to get I know so I had to trick you in a way Though I was hoping is that you would get I wanted to see how many you could put in You wanted me to be the fat guy from stand by me. I wanted is just I'm trying to lose weight Think about this think about me as your manager. No, I am

Yeah, think about me. It's just gonna make it better or worse. No, it's me It's it's not pimping you out But know that there's other avenues for money You're leaving money on the table if we could get that gullet wider yours with training We could put you on the road and I bet you not only could you be kobayashi? No way also physically be kobayashi No way on both counts. He's jacked. That's the funny thing about the fish taco eating contest Which you know for those of you who don't watch the stream We had a fish taco eating contest on stage at comic con because I was challenged by Henry and Marcus

And uh, really all it was was uh, it was Henry looking very pained trying to eat a fish taco that was loaded up with sour cream And no, it wasn't sour cream. It was a bunch of tartar sauce salsa and such while ben had a leisurely meal And still managed to eat seven I think I had six, but yeah To see him push it I wonder how many you could really eat you honestly weren't really you looked like you were having a nice meal Yes, because Henry was vomiting after having one fish taco. They're probably just ate it too fast. It's a competitive eating competition Yeah, I just wanted to watch you eat

What kind of weird fetish is this it's not you know what? I've never been one of those like feeder gainer people But I do like the idea of seeing what my friends are capable of and seeing them in that their best form So you just said a sentence and then set a sentence that counteracts that entire first sentence I just I wasn't horny watching you eat. I wanted to see you push it. I wanted to have you amaze me I was I amaze the whole crowd. That was a very fun show at comic con. It was really fun. Yes Totally out of control. One would say shit show I also met katie sack off

Who's that? You know what? I was disappointed. I did not meet katie sack off. She played uh star buck in battle star galactic She's the best part is to battle star galactic except for a edward james almost. She was absolutely lovely and she's ethereal in person I would imagine i'm also a big fan of the guy that played guys baltar, but yeah, I do love gaius Okay, guys. I love me some baltar We're getting into wizard in the bruiser territory right here. So no no no I don't sound like i'm wheezing and I don't have fucking can't pretty cancerous nodules on my neck Anyway at comic con itself I found the table of an artist that I've loved for years and years

Through his work in the big book series He's this guy did a bunch of stuff and like, you know the big book of death big book urban legends big book of freaks Big book of weirdos like the the fact I think they're called the factoid books. He did a great job And I saw him. I got a book on the back black dahlia Uh murders from him last year and I saw him old man very sweet. His name is rick geary and he did a uh an illustrated work The saga of the bloody benders. Now. I love this story. We covered this very Very tenema. Yeah, we did a bit of a sprinkling of it And I think it was the frontier serial killers episode

It was yeah, but it was back kind of the days when we did uh, you know, we do like four or five Like different cases in one episode and just kind of sprinkled each one just a little bit I kind of miss doing that, but I feel like we will there we're going to maybe do something like that very soon It seems to be with the coming series. Yeah, that's going to be a it's going to be interesting It's like a series of episodes within an umbrella series. Yes A spronkling The bloody benders, but it was really cool to read this, you know, right on the heels of the bell gunna series Because the the bloody benders what the bloody benders story is that happened around the same time as bell gunna's

And it was kind of the same Concept of bell gunna's they kind of had the same idea But the bloody benders were four people that were not quite sure We actually aren't sure if they were a family or not But it was a husband and wife and then a young guy and a young girl That some think a brother and sister but others say they were common law married Uh, but these four people you never know. Yeah, if you live here with sibling long enough, eventually you are legally married But these four people came from and we're not even sure where they came from. We think germany

Uh, but they came from germany, uh to kansas to osage county or osage or i'm sure i'm saying it right I think it's osage county. Osage. Is it osage? Yeah, let's say it. Let's go to osage county They went out there. They built a cabin that was just like a square box just a box pretty much. That's german Ingenuity and that's very exciting for the germans. You're talking about a new york bungalow To have a unique bungalow experience in new york city There is nothing i'm looking for apartments in new york right now and that is exactly what it is They really have different words for small ass apartment. It's like a coffin, but you have a bathroom in it. Yeah Yeah, well what these people did is they set up pretty much like an in slash store slash

Psychic hotline On the side of the road out in the middle of kansas back right after bloody kansas right after kansas became a state But before kansas was really settled And so what these people did is they set up this place where people will come out and see Uh, the young woman who was a part of the bender clan her name was kate Uh, and kate some people say that kate was like just somewhat average looking But others say that kate had a Tigris grace

And then kate was actually like part of the reason why kate was such an anomaly Is like one she could tell the future or at least she could pretend like she could tell the future that's sweet And two she was super hot cool in a time in place where there were no super hot women also her breasts could stretch No kid very strange kind of like mr. Fantastic from a fantastic form kind of interesting scary as well But but also, you know, if you're very specific arousing absolutely, but you know, I mean personality Really transcends physical beauty. Absolutely. So if someone has that like witchy like vibe, you could I mean whatever You know, I think that that's just like smoking hot attitudes the most is the sexiest part That's all you really have to do especially that time period where we always kind of joke about I think on the show

But the concept of like there are modern people that are just born Into different eras where it's just like somebody who just gets it Then it's much easier to have a hold over people, especially with like entrancing them sensually And that's the thing is that kate stood out even more among the other benders because the old guy that was supposedly the father His name was pa Uh, and he was noted for his hulking ape-like presence. That's a strong man though. That's a good old kansas tan Then there was ma

They said she just grunted all the time barrett didn't really speak english just That's awesome. It's like the firefly family. Yeah, it really is especially john jr. Who is the son? They said some thought he was feeble minded because every time he spoke he giggled a little bit Come on over here. Yeah, I think that's just someone ate all of my liquorice But the things about the benders and they had a scheme going it was like they weren't out there just You know sell a little bit of corn, you know and put their little in out there and the prairie Uh, or to just tell futures. They were there to murder No, it was a combined effort to murder all four of them together worked on they had a scheme

What they did with their is the firefly family what they did with their uh box house or at least what we think they did Is they had this canvas curtain that bisected this room? Uh, and then they bring in travelers that would kind of stop be like, oh, I need some place to stay for the night So I'll stay with these weird people. Oh that girl's really hot. So I'm gonna really I'm definitely gonna stay here Like it's gonna be great. No. No, never stay with ma or pa. I know you never first name And then they'd sit right in front of this big piece of canvas And some noticed but not all noticed that there was a big greasy stain

On this piece of canvas right where the guest was supposed to sit. Uh-oh And while Kate sat and talked to the guy and kept his attention and all that Either pa or the sun would be standing behind the canvas and they just get a big fucking hammer And just black them as hard as they could on the head Then they'd open up this little trap door underneath the table Push the guy inside and they think Kate jumped in and slept the guy's throat. That's like nothing but trouble Now this was not for any monetary reasons. We don't know whether or not they were just stealing from people It seems to be that's a part of how they would keep the operation going

Well apart some that's the things that some of the people they did get money from others They got nothing so they think that some people while some of them they did kill like for a profit Others they think they killed just cuz just because they fucking liked it. So what have we learned today? It's kind of like a sketch group Whereas there were 12. Yeah, and there were 12 victims Really that's the number of members of murder fist as there was for sketch groups. It's the same thing It's like a bunch of individuals that had all of a sudden realized that like when we started back in the day When you didn't have to go to fucking comedy school to be a comedian you still don't you I mean

It's heavily suggested because they control everything because they've become the they've become the institution that you have to run through Trying to make your time trying to take your money trying to take you pay for friends as we're doing it's like a fraternity, but uh the The you show up and it's like you all have you didn't realize that you'll have the same passions And now you've moved to america with the same passions over you meet up all these people And it's like kismet didn't know that that fate was gonna bring us all together And a perfect world of murder. Yeah, I mean I'm just so happy that these germans came to america and lived up to the german stereotypes of being cold malicious killers

Isn't that nice of them? Thank you killed so many people in america up to that point And so, you know, we're technically uh living on a history of rivers of blood Oh, yeah, so every every every place on the entire planet where humans have lived is just soaked in blood That's why I say let's clean spot on earth. Let's give robots a chance No Oh my god, yeah, and how the benders eventually got caught well not necessarily got caught or at the very least discovered It was a lot like belganis where they murdered this One dude and just kind of let his horse cart go and let the horse go and let the cart go and they found the

I guess the people the nearest town found the cart and the horse and that horse his name was mr. Ed And he could speak and he read it on this family the benders Uh, and so they started questioning the benders Uh, and then finally and the benders like yeah, he came by here. We don't know what the hell happened to him And they also noticed it like oh, there's been about like, I don't know 10 12 guys coming through this area that nobody's heard from again So they had this big meeting at the school house, which two of the bender men attended and said like all right We're gonna go from farm to farm to farm and we're gonna search and we're gonna see what we can find very ironic

And then by the time they got to the bender farm the benders have been gone for five days So what happened they just left and no one has any idea what happened to him Yep, they they changed their name to drumpf And that name got changed to our president Wow, yeah, so they just got away with it. They just got away with it No one has any and it was also like belganis for years afterwards. Uh, there would be sightings of Maa bender and kate bender where you would see like an attractive woman and an older lady traveling together people telling

Right, that's the benders. That's the benders. Get him. Get him. Get him. Oh, I remember I've seen it over and over I could last time I saw the benders. I think was a scene on brazzers Yeah, is that right? Just a mother and a brazer brazzers. Is this brazzers or is it great? There's nothing classy about you looking at porto. It's a brazzers No, I wear a copper bund That's it. There's nothing is more professional looking than a man who looks like a big horny cigar Especially watch me brazzers. When do you think the last Decade was where you could do something like that where you could actually go on a crime spree and just disappear

I was you I'm not I don't even think you could do it in the 20th century. Uh, I could say you could probably do it up until like 1940s I would say up until you know, I have a very controversial I have a very controversial view in this room that I think it constantly happens I think that there is anonymous murder and and not and people go missing Quite a bit in this country, especially if you look up anything about missing 411 or the idea of people murdering the less dead The concept of people anybody that's like a people color or sex workers getting murdered those people disappear all the time

Uh, people that are involved in any way shape or form with our government that you have either Worked on either side of either, you know covert ops or like that kind of shit. Well, that's they disappear Sure, but I I think that uh anonymous murder happens quite a bit I don't know if you because nowadays truckers they of course they were considered the notorious Killers of the highway, but now everything is monitored. They they have every single turn they take That's what they did the truckers out now. They have all the cameras on them. I just don't think you can do it anymore I just think you just need to if you eliminate your ego. There's so many things you can do kiss or listen If you eliminate to give up my iphone. No, we all do we have to all be like john hawks the actor who has a flip phone

Isn't it a breath of fresh? Nine texting. Yes, he does. I don't say that's brilliant. That's what you have to do. Keanu has the same way They don't even fuck with the internet because it's dog crap. They're very smart But if you don't care about being noticed for your crimes, which is the problem with these high-profile serial killers these kinds of people they want To be noticed they they're all of this is a gigantic Screaming for attention, which is why they're murdering people half the time where if you really are a person who's totally Dedicated to committing murder and getting away with it. I think it's very easy. Look at israel keys

I don't know. He's got away with it for quite a long period of time. He got busted because he you just proved your case wrong Because he did it to himself. Yeah, he came out from behind the time when israel keys was just killing and and he wasn't communicating with anybody Not talking to anybody Yeah, he was when he was in the background no one even knew that he existed no one even knew that a serial killer Uh, like they weren't putting together the bodies in organ with the bodies over in vermont. That was the other way Yeah, they weren't putting those bodies together. It wasn't until he reached out in alaska that he got killed And israel keys cannot be the only one and maybe twitchal too. Yeah. Well alaska. Yeah, many people and then also I'm just saying in like a city or any place that has any kind of power any town over

I just don't know if you could do it. Oh, what's his name the golden state killer almost got away with it Same exact thing where he just again. He got in a Got honestly if you would have just died, he would have gotten away clean of all of his crimes So, yeah, it happens quite a bit if you just have enough patience to listen to a man in the window I'm certain let's knew about the golden state killer and if you just really just thought you were talking about a man Into your window. Just like you're gonna want to address that. You have a lot of ideas. I've been listening to rudy quite a bit Random vagrant my dream neighbor says a lot of things to me About many different ways I can solve issues quote-unquote in america quote-unquote

But you know the man in the window basically shows that if you have just enough patience And if you are truly a villain that does not care about any people knowing about your crimes So you don't want people to know about your crimes It's very easy to case somebody for long enough that you could know their schedule so well You could murder them in the tiniest window and people even notice that they're gone for days and days I wonder what the golden state killer. Do you think he ever lost the urge to kill? Is it like if you're if you if you're testosterone level that's what they said about michael jackson the reason why Uh, the a lot of the molestation stopped is because his sex drive went down

And they don't know whether or not he might have been taking Like sex drive reduction pills. He might have been on meds sort of like chemically castrating himself A lot of times that's just what it is. You just stop being as horny Yeah, and a lot of serial killers as they do get older the urge does Go away. It's like more and more because like btk when btk Came back When he came like he didn't come back to kill like he it was he came back for puns Well, he was gonna do one last one. He was but quote-unquote. He may be he had big plans

His retirement murder as he called But he wanted to do it like the cell Because that person was supposed to be like he wanted to nail somebody onto a cross and like vivisection them all of this Bullshit that he didn't do anything. Yeah, it reminds me of that movie behind the mask the leslie vernan story Which I actually really love. I really love that movie. It's meta and like super nerdy and a lot of fun Yeah, but but btk like he was You know what stopped him from doing that a road crew is that he was gonna do that He had this whole big plan. I mean if you have that uncontrollable urge like the road crew

It's like, okay, maybe I'll go tomorrow But then the road crew came on the day that he was gonna do his big gigantic retirement murder Uh, and he just decided nah Yeah, what are you gonna do when goose from the blues brothers band shows up and he's got his trumpet Is that what a road crew is? You got a guy with a rhythm guitar. Was your name ducky? Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. He died. He's dead. Oh, it's too bad Um, all right everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening to our old navy relaxed fit episode not sponsored by Not sponsored by I wish it was

Of course Oh, and if you want to learn more about the bloody benders, uh, you can order the saga of the bloody benders Uh by ritt gary, uh on the internet. Please support him. He is a very very nice man. His stuff is all Uh factually accurate. He's got some really cool stuff on billy the kid as well I also bought a book he has called the link about the lincoln county war Uh, which is uh, very fun. But yeah, all ritt gary's stuff that he's a very nice man And his stuff is meticulously meticulously researched and beautifully drawn. Yes, they're beautifully drawn comic books Very entertaining because I also got a uh an addition of his on victorian murders

Yeah, he's I think he's got two or three different, um, anthologies of victorian murders But yeah, if you like true crime, you like comic books check out ritt gary. He's great r i c k g e a r y There it is. Um, yeah, and we can't wait to see everyone on the road here We will see in minneapolis milil walkie and demoyne and then we have a billboard up On the way to heaven aka atlantic city atlantic city. They know we're coming. They know we're coming You gotta buy those tickets though. Yeah, you gotta buy the tickets. We need some fans in there to counteract the smoker's cough It's literally just gonna be a family of like five who lost all their money. Let's go watch a comedy show This is just some kind of california liberal comedy. We're supposed to be watching who wants to talk about cryptids

What is this about your grandmother? Quit roasting me, sir. I don't know man. Yeah august 8th 9th and 10th that's st. Paul demoyne and mil walkie Uh, of course atlantic city is on august 16th. Please come out to that show august 17th We got bethlehem pennsylvania and august 18th is port chester new york. Remember like i said last week port chester It's right north of new york city. So it's really easy. I know it's a I don't know if it's just so terrible that people are afraid of and i've never been to port chester I'm excited for it. It's my grandparents lived in rye. Oh, oh so classy so close to So, uh, august 11th in mil walkie. I have a little tack on show hail yourself america

Get those tickets because those are gonna be selling very fast And again, this is one of those shows where if you see kiss a lot through the show If you buy a ticket and you show them the stub, he will give you a little kiss I will not. I will not hear no lips. He doesn't do kiss on the lips because it makes them fall in love But I will say we can go out and drink some beers in the beautiful city of mil walkie And it might lead to little earlobe kisses. It will just be beers Um, but yes, everyone. Thank you all so much for listening. And you know what folks never forget. Hail yourselves. Hail Satan Let's do a magustalations. Sure

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