Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 387: The Most Haunted House In England Part II - Dirty Ding*

Episode Date: October 19, 2019

On the conclusion to our series on Borley Rectory, we cover the most intense period of activity in the residence, including the years that the infamous paranormal investigator Harry Price spent trying to wheedle the secrets out of what he called the most haunted house in England. 

Tune in on October 28th for a special episode about the new movie Doctor Sleep. We interview the director Mike Flanagan on the episode and get details behind the new sequel to The Shining. Don't forget to see Doctor Sleep in theaters November 8th. Hey what's up everyone how you doing Ben Kissle here letting you know I'll be in Nashville October 27th screening my documentary Hail Yourself America at the world famous comedy club Zany's go to Zany's Nashville tickets dot laugh stub dot com to get tickets now that Zany's Nashville tickets dot laugh stub dot com I will also be at Politicon October 26th and 27th promoting Hail Yourself America in the democracy room see y'all in Nashville hail yourselves

Ben do you want to share with Henry the joke that you told me on the airplane last night that you said was the best joke you've ever written yes because you know what we're doing we're not doing rector dang near kilter because that is not empowering so rector dang near gave her a high level management job at a supermarket I quit the show that's good this is the top tier what you got this is your gold he said that was the best joke that after I did not laugh the first time he tried it again and told me it was the best thing he ever wrote that was you experiencing peak kissle last night in party row on an airplane first yeah and so now literally from now on it is downhill there welcome to the last podcast on the left I am Ben with Marcus and Henry we are in a

hotel room in beautiful sunny Tampa Florida it's not sunny no and I don't even know if I told the truth at all with that last sentence but it is but we are in Tampa we are in Tampa baby you know what I miss about with ghost hunting and what Borley rectory reminds me of is back when a picnic was still always thought of and involved no matter what investigation was going on I read Harry Price's the most haunted house in England about the Borley rectory and the only real difference between that book and what we read in the Borley rectory companion was his long descriptions of the lunches he brought to each investigation and because it starts with me like we have happened upon the Borley rectory for our June visitation and what I knew then is I brought the proper chamombea

that old lady Derrick's didn't recommend it to me because she said oh a little tip will go a long way and I make sure to hand each investigator a certain level of brandy just in case they lose attention during the long evenings of observation honestly that sounds really exciting everybody's hammer I believe it and smoking big old pipes I definitely believe that all right everyone we are on part two of the Borley rectory so when we last left Borley rectory the Reverend G. E Smith and his wife had just contacted the Daily Mirror so they could get a little help concerning their possible ghost problem and tonight's musical gals we have a spin doctor I love them and the man who answered the Daily Mirror's call was Harry Price the honorary director of the National Laboratory

of Psychical Research which was an organization that Price himself had founded a cult and paranormal studies are always like there's something about it needs an entrepreneur yeah it does you always have to self publish self make your own groups if you want your own group if you really want to make a dent in fake science you have to do it yourself yeah I mean there's a certain theme there when it comes to paranormal studies and that theme is self like no one else is around like you have to have sex with yourself you have to start your own business by yourself you know now Harry Price was among the first of the so-called psychical researchers and like many paranormal investigators today psychical research was not his full-time job when he wasn't hunting ghosts Price worked

as a traveling salesman for a paper manufacturer so he was brain Wilson from the office yeah essentially you want paper how does that work you just go door-to-door be like you want some paper but that's what is that job the office kiss so that's what's so fun and light about it it's a light character explanation you got Jim and the other the other one with the breasts and then rain wilson who's the autistic man with the gun everybody loves that stupid show I think they were all just having sex with each other yes but you know the fact that Price was the traveling salesman is part of what makes him great as the author of the borley rectory companion points out many of those involved in psychical research back then particularly Price's detractors came from

privileged backgrounds hmm Harry Price on the other hand got into the world of the paranormal by attending circus side shows and seances which were both just as popular in the UK as they were in the US at the turn of the 19th century he's a working class man yeah okay I like that he liked the circuses he was super super into kazoos entranced by the life of the gypsy you have to be like I know Harry the word has changed but he wasn't like all those guys because that's the thing about you know of course not necessarily studies in the paranormal but definitely magical study is that it was the playground of the rich yeah you need a disposable income to spend your life drawing pictures of the cabala yeah reading big books you have to be born on third base yeah a lot of

disappointed fathers out there and that's sort of a ghost in itself yes the idea of what you had the potential to be yeah now Price was almost 40 years old when he was able to join an official group the society for psychical research and he began an actual career in parapsychology outside of just reading books yeah he got himself right in the mix yeah before this Harry Price was just a nerd with a gigantic library well that was one of his big dreams which I'm Harry Price has become a real I really have a lot of affection for him because of his you get up and go attitude he's like the song uptown girl we're uptown girl the girl was the society for psychical research and he was Billy Joel a strong five foot four mechanic who I guess had a penis that was longer

than it needed to be in order to get that uptown girl maybe part of his jobs and when one part of his goals in life was to have the world's largest collection of occult writings okay that isn't that your dream as well Henry yes okay well once Harry got into the scene he found pretty quickly that what he loved just as much as the paranormal was publicity and some believe that Harry's love of the limelight was what made other parapsychologists hate him so much yeah but that disrespect could also come from the fact that Harry was known to fudge a fact here or there to make for a better story this is where a flim flam man comes in yeah the flim flam man without a flim flam man you can eat a bunch of black beans without some cumin in them sure exactly I'll take the cumin every day I

want some cumin I want some Monterey Jack right I want the pepper jack that's where flim flam man is I like that so the flim flam man is the cheese on the beans this is the guy that is packaging this up and yes he did fudge a factor too but if you watch recently there was a there's a really good web series that came out by a friend of the show Greg Newkirk that did it was called Hellier the well the Newkirk's his husband and wife team the Hellier is a real example of what a paranormal investigation is like yes technically is a little I'm gonna use the term uneventful yeah because paranormal especially paranormal experiences especially stuff like within a haunted house as well as we'll go through in this episode for them for the most part I believe are personal that is

an opinion I have I believe it is a it is a a connection between you and an entity that becomes sort of like a private conversation and it's very difficult to get like photographic proof of that and Harry Price knew in order to make the story he had to like add to what was then a legitimate haunting but it ended up destroying everything you got you gotta pep it up I mean look at James Harden with the euro step yes it's technically traveling but now it's the most successful shot in basketball you just said the thing that Marcus and I have no is that a dance move he's talking about basketball basically James Harden takes a full step backwards which is he travel in any other dimension but because he makes every shot and it looks so good then he can just

do it so he can do whatever he wants it's a flimflam man he's adding cheese on the bean center okay okay I understand well in 1927 price claimed to be in possession of the infamous prophecy box of Joanna Southcott Southcott was an 18th century prophetess who claimed that she was the woman of the apocalypse foretold in the book of revelation her gimmick was that she had a magic box full of prophecies that should only be opened in times of great crisis such as the end times and it should only be opened in the presence of the 24 bishops of the church of England oh no I got a whole hotel room of babes and I'm out of tonic water for mixer let's go to my box of prophecy and see you where the tonic water might be it's incredible it's a mini bar oh that's

great beautiful it's beautiful that would be a good prophecy box well in Southcott she was not some lone nut by the time she died in 1814 she had about a hundred thousand followers and people were still singing her praises well into the 1990s but back in 1927 harry price claimed to have gotten a hold of Joanna Southcott's box don't do that don't you write it like that and harry price made a big deal about opening the box because he was all set to debunk the so-called profanus and sure enough all he found inside was a lottery ticket and a horse pistol that's gonna find kissles goodbye box yeah that is actually that's a perfect prophecy box what was the lotto ticket was it a winner it was a loser it was a loser they gotta get the pistol

the old bud Dwyer but then again a lot of people doubted that price had the actual box he might have just said i got a box many of Southcott's followers are like nah that's not the real box but hey what is fact but what you say is fact i actually think that that's for some reason i feel like that's a great thing to have in the prophecy box again a lotto ticket and a gun that's perfect because then you can save it for your your son whatever you can save it open up who knows what's in there but it was supposed to be instructions it was supposed to be instructions for what to do during the end times any idea how many instructions are on a lotto ticket you have to scratch it off match you have to do a arithmetic you have any idea how many people have just not

been able to figure out the lottery ticket and they've won a million dollars and don't know it well price continued his debunking spree after that he took a trip to the brocken mountain in Germany and brought along a grim war named the high german black book yeah the brocken mountain was supposed to be a hot spot a paranormal activity it was a where a bunch of witches way back in the 1500s had done a whole bunch of rituals they got drowned for it the liars wrote a great concept album about it all kinds of cool shit happened at brocken mountain awesome yeah great and on that mount price performed a pagan ritual that was supposed to turn a young male goat into a human boy a real nose for boys i guess so tried it once nothing happened uh tried it again the second

night uh nothing happened uh but you'll see if you do place a small hat upon the goat it becomes in fact more fun than a boy all right now why but he could turn the goat into anything no it could only the only be a boy it could only be a boy oh yeah and it was all just about i guess uh i guess if you only had daughters yeah that way you could get a boy and you wouldn't have to try again you were guaranteed a young boy from one lowly goat the boy is still eating all the grass in the front yard i'm throwing all their milk cartons at him i mean it'll be a public embarrassment it's better than a boy because a goat you could put back to a cage at night you put a boy in a cage at night you fucking wakes up one time figures how to pick the lock and it kills you and your wife and your

sleep but also having a goat will be good new witch doctor show called goat flippers and it takes infertile couples it's about taking goats and trying to make them into boys and it never works but then they get a goat yeah that's cool then there was the case of the talking mongoose in which a family claimed that they lived with a quote extra extra clever ghost weasel from new deli named jeff or jeff or geff one of the two they called their mongoose a ghost weasel well no the mongoose is a weasel ah yeah that's what mongoose is yeah is that a fact that's real a mongoose is a type of weasel is that true it's like a ferrets weasels mongoo mongooses mongies they're all part of the same family they're long rats i heard their ghosts whatever they're just

weird that's so much fun to have a little goat and you because harry prie shows up in his big hat and his big pipe he's like show me these ghosts weasel and there's like he's right here wait till you meet jeff he's so excited to meet you hello uh no formal introduction simply jeff you must know the rules of engagement we'll say that again yes i am surprised it is cloudy here in town oh jeff is simply delightful jeff and i sat to a lovely lovely lunch i had a slice of wisconsin breed in some peppered ham and we sat and had a multiple multiple cigars and steaks and then eventually we got to be realizing he couldn't speak at all oh yeah the case is now thought to be a case of talented ventriloquism oh but none of the cases that price covered came close to

matching the fame and interest of borley rectory now in harry prie's day the main rift between paranormal enthusiasts was between the spiritualists and the psychical researchers the spiritualists believed that there were actual intelligences behind hauntings and that one could penetrate the veil of the afterlife through seances and weegee boards to communicate with those intelligences and spiritualists had a hobby of then turning it into road shows or even personal road shows where they would come and do private events they would talk with people and then eventually you know because how they lived a lot of times is that they would have patrons they would basically go and work their way into the life of a rich person who would kind of pay for their everyday living or

they were already rich and just spending their parents money okay so they were kind of widely distrusted at some point i mean technically rasputin was one of these guys yes right well psychical researchers on the other hand were more observers of what they believed was a legitimate scientific phenomenon that they just couldn't yet explain and while harry price outwardly labeled himself as a psychical researcher privately he confessed to being a spiritualist he wanted to believe he did he wanted to believe he spent so long reading books about the occult that's that's kind of where i i'm starting that's where my sympathy lies i know that he's making shit up and again he ended up ruining this whole his whole legacy but harry price read read these

books and and saw the the idea that there was a world past this world and he wanted to he wanted to touch it yeah so big and it didn't work like that it doesn't work like that i guess yeah sometimes people think it just the ends justify the means so i guess you i mean i don't know do you think that you do kind of have to make it real by pretending it's real i don't think i can tell you make it i don't think so because this is what happens with paranormal research again and again and again it's what happens with bigfoot researchers it's what happens with parent with ghost researchers they fudge facts they think that because they believe in it's so bad that they fake things to make people believe because they think if people believe then we'll get the funding that we actually

need to prove all of this shit there's cash money involved i see and harry price i feel like specifically in this case with the borough directory what he discovered was that when he walked in this house and it was full of all this ghost activity he was experiencing and people hundreds of years believed that they were experiencing in this house and you just can't seem to capture it you can't do the thing that you want to capture and but also he as we'll go harry price trying to build this ornate plot of what's happening inside of all the ghost world of the borough directory which is also another level of fakery that the whole story doesn't need well that's what plays in the harry price's spiritualist beliefs because he was a spiritualist

and because he believed that there was an intelligence behind these hauntings he was a lot of times guilty of imposing a narrative on the hauntings that he studied borough directory being a particular example rector dang near gave her a nice position in an applebees literally it might be the worst joke you ever came up with besides the snooki joke that you did around table years ago uh yes what's the difference between a baby in a what's the difference between an alive baby in a dumpster no it's the difference between a baby in a dumpster in atlanta and a baby in in snooki and an alive baby i remember it was an alive baby because you said no the punchline is the baby in the dumpster is alive there's a live baby in the dumpster there's an alive baby in the

dumpster is the punchline yeah that was old yeah classic classic well furthermore it could also be said that harry price might have had a bit of a chip on his shoulder i mean after all price was a self-taught working man who wasn't able to get into the business until he was 40 while all the other paranormal researchers were dandy fops with names like lord charles hope and eric dingwall aka dirty ding what do you do again they called him dirty ding because he worked at the british museum and he specialized in ancient erotica yeah dude oh my like a mesopotamian fucking titties and he loved them and they're not even that sexy no they're technically just big rocks yeah because they're all statues and the paranormal community then was no more

harmonious and collaborative than it is now and price most likely wanted the big fish to show all of them that he had what it took to be taken seriously in the scene i'm smart i'm smart i got passed over he's rolling up his sleeves i could see i i get the chip on the shoulder i get it i get it totally yeah we all have a lot of chips on our shoulders oh yeah all right that's just because those are actual chocolate chips were you in the cotel minibar again no i did make my classic treat though which is smashed up pretzels i smashed up chips i smashed up some uh m&m's put it in the ice bowl and then i took a and then i took a cup and i like i was in prison and then i just ate that so you make a snack powder yeah

wow that'll start it i eat it oh my god just the sounds your ghost would make just oh no i think the ghost kissle has made his moose munch again no it's very tasty it's sweet and savory well with borley harry price thought that he'd found his big fish because here was a site where legitimate hauntings have been taken place for nearly a hundred years and nobody seemed to want it but price now the reason why the smiths had gotten a hold of the daily mirror was because the pair had just arrived in england from india and they didn't know a goddamn soul in suffolk who might be able to help no did the daily mirror at the time have the same reputation that it does now i don't know i don't know if it was the tabloid that it is now i think probably yeah yeah that

doesn't really seem like a devolution i think papers like the daily mirror and the daily mail have always been kind of trashy they're flying off the shelves for a reason they're super fun to read but they are trash of course sometimes they're the only ones brave enough to tell the story that's true like about how many bats live inside of monica lawinsky's butt yeah who knows now the mirror first tried contacting the society for psychical research but when the spr turned them down price stepped in now mabel smith ge smith's wife claimed decades after their tenure at borley that she never believed that the rectory was actually haunted and that the whole thing was just foolishness and naturally many of prices to tractors point towards mrs smith's statements

as more proof that the entirety of the borley haunting was nothing more than a fraud perpetrated by harry price combined with overactive imaginations however mabel smith's supposed confession was directly contradicted by ethal bull who said that mrs smith would shriek with fright anytime a paranormal encounter occurred within the grounds most likely mrs smith was just bitter that nobody wanted to buy her fictional account of the hauntings which she called murder at the parsonage see everybody wanted in they all wanted into the story so i could see how like this the waters you get muddied pretty fast in this time period yeah it seems like a cool book was it just a bad poorly written book or probably i mean just nobody wanted to buy it just like every publisher

that she sent it to is like this is garbage okay but according to the book the most haunted house in england the most our most haunted home in england by harry price that when he does his interviews with the bull family i mean they all saw shit the entire family saw shit and it just sees that with each family that subsequently lives in the house the activity becomes a little bit more exaggerated and it just keeps getting built but the original people all saw this shit and these guys the modern families are still seeing the original ghosts as well yeah mixed with new added on each time that the like season four of borley rectory when they add like the talking robot daughter right they just keep jumping to shark again and again with new characters i hear you

yeah each time a new family moves in it seems like the intelligent part of the haunting increased okay you know rather than it just being like oh look at the nun oh look at the coach like after the bulls moved out with every subsequent family it got more and more intense or so they say i mean it could right it might i don't know because when the smiths moved in the door started locking and unlocking when no one was around the servant bells would ring despite ge smith cutting the wires and in one instance a china vase apparently floated out of the blue room and dropped to the ground when no one but the smiths were at home and they were in the drawing room together well harry price believed that the house had way more activity when there was a family

actually living inside of it and i can see stuff like this because what we know about telekinesis is that it can possibly be a real scientific thing like it can be a thing that it is a it's about energies connected to the human mind so this whole place kind of thing and we're like and he's energy shooter and i'm saying shit yeah but it becomes out of your if it gets enhanced by the antenna that is your brain it can actually start manipulating the environment if it is indeed the science indeed and let me just do a little telekinesis now rise oh my penis oh no it's too big you're fully erect well the unfortunate thing about telekinesis and why it cannot get any sort of scientific backing is that it cannot be duplicated in a lab it's been tried in a lab

to be duplicated time and time again i think it was also tried out never it's they have never been able to come even close to duplicating it there was also a time when donahue was obsessed with getting people who pretended to be magicians like so you say you can move these bones allow what you do in here in front of the Ku Klux Klan that was their christmas episode but with the smiths the residual hauntings continued as well i mean besides just the whispers of don't carlos don't the footsteps heard by the bull family continued coming from empty rooms and dark shadowy figures were seen larking about the house in addition to of course the nun and the smiths were finding actual concrete creepy artifacts as well in october of 1928 mabel smith found a human skull wrapped in a

brown paper parcel in a cupboard on the ground floor of the library also called marcus parks's 40th birthday gift now according to a painter who would work for the bulls the skull had been dug up from the garden and brought into the house but every time the bulls had tried to rebury the skull the attempt always resulted in poltergeist activity so they just kept it inside which is a very common occurrence in residual hauntings turned into intelligent or active hauntings or poltergeists is that every single time you try to fuck it seems to be with the actual surface of the ground it's on like the actual land that it's built on activity just spikes and maybe this has got something to do with ley lines which again i'm just saying could be we researched about ley lines for boil

erectory and apparently it's just like next to one it's just south of a ley line but of course england is also fucking covered in ley lines so everything is just south or just north or just east or just west of a ley line well that's just how directions work yes the idea is that if it's not directly on one it's not as spooky yuki is saying that it's like well it's at least a half a mile from our ley line right right well marcus we talked about this on side stories did you know the land that john wane gasey's house was on is now up for sale there's a home on it it's almost half a million dollars so if you want to buy it it's your chance i don't want to move to the plane no no that's the problem yeah because if i buy it i gotta live there that it's literally what i said

how was my defense i don't think i want to move to the middle well this so called screaming skull story was probably a fabrication because when this guy when this painter came out and started talking about the skull the screaming skull storyline was going on at a lot of different haunted houses around england uh and no one else ever corroborated the story and the author of the boroughly companion speculates that the placing of the skull was probably a prank pulled by the locals it's pretty fun because boroughly rectory had neighbors yeah and they were a lot of times because i guess back in the day it's like because you permanently live from generation to generation in one house or some shit it seems to be people were more likely like if you moved in the house

next door to somebody who's been living there forever you could you have like a social contract to be like friends of the people in the house because you come and offer them things and you could just see these guys just being like they love to scream here oh i have a good day have you seen the screaming skulls no no you will assume bye bye i'm your new friend i didn't know if it's scary to you got me a haunted neighbor i do think we need to talk to our neighbors more though yo yeah unless they start putting skulls in your house and then you cannot talk to them fly from your way fly from your way but this wasn't the only skull found a boroughly rectory back when the

bulls lived in the rectory a full human skull was in fact unearthed from the garden quite possibly the remnant of a plague pit just worked its way to the surface but that skull was quickly reburied in the churchyard now if it is true that some people like our man henry zebrowski here are indeed ghost repellent yeah then it follows that others are ghost magnets and it seems like harry price was one of those people or so harry claimed see price's need for publicity was apparent right off the bat because upon his first visit to boroughly a reporter from the daily mirror named vernon wall tagged along although that might have been a tit for tat because the mirror had twig priced to the story okay but either way price's first visit to boroughly on june 12 1929

turned the rectory upside down with paranormal activity if what they say is true when they walked into these doors the place blew up it became i keep using this comparison but it's very very similar it became the haunted mansion yeah they walked right and it just fucking turned on cool well first price and wall staked out the nuns walk at dusk and while they did not see the nun both men reportedly saw a shadowy figure gliding through the trees and there's nothing that better pair when the shadowy figure in the trees than a wonderful mellow and with just a bit of grape and just a bit of blue cheese you have the tartness of the grape mixed with oh the consciousness of the blue cheese smooth smooth the back finish of the mellow you're the best

polish sommelier of all time and while the shadowy figure might have just been a trick of the eye two men seeing what they wanted to see when the men returned to the house itself a brick crashed through the veranda roof and showered price and wall with glass whoa and the first thought was that someone was surely screwing around here so they ran into the house and found that nobody was there except them as per their instructions then they heard another crash a glass candle stick that they had just seen on the mantelpiece had been flung down the stairs and had shattered on the iron stove on the first floor damn after that price and wall caught their breath and decided to settle things down a bit hoping to invite more phenomena the

two men turned out the lights and sat on the stairs in complete darkness after sitting for a few moments they heard an odd noise and something struck walls hand the object a mothball had bounced down the stairs seemingly out of thin air the men then turned on the lights and in full view both men saw pebbles and a piece of slate also bounced down the stairs this is the thing that is common in haunted houses called apportation which is the idea that things appear out of nowhere and a lot of times they fall down from the ceiling so he is it's like poltergeist yeah when the jewelry falls down like that is basically that's based on if you do believe it to be true it is based on based on truth do you think they kissed in the dark no they had

sandwiches which is the truth and he's like there's no lonelier sound than the munching of a sandwich deep inside the heart of one of the most haunted spaces in england i love him man then the servant bell started ringing and the keys from two doors on the ground floor popped out of their locks and fell to the floor now of course all of this is dependent on whether you believe harry price and a daily mirror reporter no one else was there no one else saw this but this is why they did it but harry price could be one of those people that goes or whores for but i don't know if that is essentially we don't know because it doesn't happen that often but if poorly rectory truly is that haunted where you show up and it's the first time that it gets to demonstrate itself

foreign intelligence like let's say it is true like let's say their haunted houses are vaguely like motion sensor based or it's almost like you show up and just your energy activates the house i mean i think the daily mirror is a very good paper as you can recall um they had the story about the man who found one bean in his beans and then they also had this story to find i'm not 11 and they didn't talk about 9 11 though but they did talk about the one bean and the other guy found one chip in his bag of crisps so they and those stories are real yeah so you tell me that's not good journalism you tell me that's not good journalism but at any rate after the pebbles came bouncing down harry figured fuck it let's do a seance right here right now we're doing it

fucking live we're doing it live the family was like staying over at the house across the street so they're watching them like flashlights turn on them going like across the run it to the run inside the house and then you're like phantom lights inside the house and you're like oh oh the sandwiches oh oh i've spilled wine no not the wine no no the ghost's doing it right did it clumsy oh come here you sexy reporter and they're watching also from inside the street and so then he pops out he's just like we're talking down everybody come inside we're speaking to the spirits everyone's just like oh like getting up ready to run across the street oh now as we said last episode the blue room where this seance was held was the bedroom

where both henry and harry bull had chosen to die and this wasn't the only so called blue room in the uk in a blue room in abour glass knee house and car marthenshire it said it's fucking making shit up it's for it's welsh the it's in wales way up it all sounds made up wonderful cakes though love the welsh cakes and all language is indeed just made up it's true you know what's not made up though oh that's the first natural language really rise it's pre-apps is that what it terms with the term is what is when you're pre-opism yeah yeah yeah when you can't stop being hard really yeah all right well in car marthenshire

it said that six maid servants were found dead in their beds and at craig vera castle in abour den chair the blue room is supposedly haunted by dark figures so needless to say blue rooms had a bit of a reputation so harry price chose this blue room for his seance sitting at this seance was price verdan wall prices secretary lucy k the smiths and it featured special guest stars ethyl and adelaide bull saturday night live band wow i with harry price our blue rooms now is it called the blue room afterwards because it becomes a center no ghost activity in one of these houses it just so happens that the room is blue is that true yeah is it because there is that a color for bedrooms i'm asking you history questions that we have not prepped for at all so i don't know

i don't know fucking interior design history it is the color for bedrooms though blue is a very nice warming color yeah blue feels good yes it does now this seance was not your traditional early 20th century affair usually seances were serious business led by an experienced medium but in the case of the blue room seance whole thing had the atmosphere of an impromptu if uneasy get together it was pretty much the end of beetle juice so much fun very cool well because for me that's what almost gives it a little bit of credit because normally at this time if you're going to go to a seance you would go to like a set location as well like there's there are things like that where you'd go to somebody's house and you do a seance at their house so it can be totally

outfitted for trickery like you could do it all time you could set it up but because harry price is doing exact bagging style like doing the come at me god like right in a seance room like like just impromptu to me it's like for him to set it up it would have required a a lot more pre-pro that i don't know if he had no okay cool so once everything was ready price made a request for any entities in the house to make themselves known come at me ghost no response came on the first two requests but on the third everyone heard a series of sharp taps coming from the back of the smith's dressing table mirror so once they had their mediumistic object chosen the group continued with the traditional method of using three taps for yes one for no and two for doubtful it seems

like it's really complicated it's super complicated yeah surprisingly though once the interrogation began the entity revealed itself to be none other than the reverend harry bull dead some two years now since his sister's ethyl and adelaide were present they were able to ask questions only harry would know and they were soon satisfied that they were speaking with the ghost of their brother dearest harry dearest harry do you remember the time you looked down my knickers when we were at lake bogdan in 1839 but this was no happy reunion the ghost of harry bull soon explained that he had not died of natural causes oh my god but had in fact been murdered by his wife murdered the widow ivy brackenberry

oh ivy and brackenberry sounds like one of those things that old dirty ding was collected like a star of one of those tablets indeed this is going to be tough to hold up in court though oh yeah yeah yeah okay it's technically probably thick okay however it must be said that the bull sisters had a bit of a nut against ivy because ivy was about 20 years younger than harry and they'd always considered her nothing better than a gold digger i don't understand why people get mad at the gold diggers just like be happy for the old man absolutely i don't think they like her i know that i get that but usually gold diggers are highly unpleasant to be around take the money take the money i don't know the guy with a nicole smith that i mentioned all the time yeah he's a great

final year the last six months of his life he had nothing but a smile etched across his crooked skull he was thrilled and his kids were like we didn't get the money you don't deserve the money because you're not an nicole smith and did you blow your dad did you suck your father's dick is that what you did did you have 34 double d's did you smash into his face every night and he just went like are you my daughter no because you are his daughter and you weren't there for him so you don't get the money i'm sorry it had also been the bull sister's contention for those past two years that the brother had been poisoned by ivy just before harry could revise his will and harry was supposedly gonna give ivy a lot less money the evidence for this they said was a half empty bottle of lead

acetate found in the borley cellars soon after harry sudden and mysterious death so the bull sisters might have had an agenda and direct in the taps you know i think that there's there's a compartment that wants to say that like what if all of this is mysteriously real it's like the most complicated version of the entire thing is real and all of the inocent universe is all true and all that kind of bullshit and it's not harry bull it's not any of the stuff it's literally like a zazel of the 13th chamber just don't like these bitches are like i have a problem with this young woman i think she's not i mean i stole her soul and i have it here in a crystal glow let's give it three taps just to see what they do that could be kind of fun but whether the bull sisters were

just confirming a long held suspicion for themselves or not talk of a murder happening in the very room where the smith slept was starting to freak out mabel so she ended the whole thing at about four in the morning now even though smith himself made sure to point out in his eventual book about borley that he didn't take the murder accusations very seriously interesting phenomena outside of the supposed communication did indeed occur according to everyone present a bar of soap had fallen off the washboard at the opposite end of the room from the dressing table about an hour in and the soap bounced right across the room i mean inherently soap is slippery it is slippery but it gets stuck it doesn't bounce that's right but one clever historian thought that yeah we got it we nailed

that you nailed it yeah but one clever historian thought that he may have found the answer to where the tapping actually came from see the group kept turning the oil lamp in the room on and off during the seance as a consequence if the lamp was on the dressing table the heat from the flame could have caused the wood to expand and contract which would most likely be the source of the tapping noise the group heard he's certainly sound like the white house press secretary yeah he's just to be like um sometimes words mean opposite of the words that you're saying sometimes your feet are doing the thinking and your brain's doing the walking what are you saying but we have no idea where in the room the lamp actually was okay and when a couple of fancy pants london mediums tried

their luck in the same room under the same circumstances two days later they heard nothing at all they didn't do it right might not okay so after nine months at the borley rectory the smiths figured they'd had enough and moved out although their main complaint was not that the house was haunted but that the house didn't have running water they were still using chamber pots like it was 1864 oh pooping in the pots it was gross yeah it was drafty and terrible and cold and the walls were slimy it was not a place to live keep trying to put people in there and these these wonderful young brides that keep arriving and their knees new homes that they've been convinced to follow their husbands into and then just been like this is disgusting and then i also have this like weird

patriarchal thing where i'm supposed to clean all of this shit like i'm the one who's out of your scrub and all of this all of these women had had mates that's cool yeah yeah that's better anyway this was definitely this was the sort of place where they had maids they had gardeners they had cooks but why did they have plumbing it was just hard to put plumbing into an old house like that you got to rebuild the whole gd thing yeah i guess so but about six months after the smiths left they would be replaced with the family for whom the phenomena was at its strongest although it must be said that this is also the period where the phenomena is said to be at its most dubious in october of 1930 the reverend lionel aldrinan foister his wife marianne and their two-year-old

daughter adelaide moved into borley rectorie and entered a five-year period of misery although it's up for debate as to what the actual cause of said misery was see like the bulls it was quite the large age gap between lionel and marianne and the much younger marianne was none too happy about moving into a cold dilapidated house in the sx countryside that vaguely smelled like piss and shit from all the chamber pots oh my that's what you're looking for though out there yeah technically a sign of we finally made it to the countryside i mean did they just like they're like we need to move and like i heard there's a house did they not research this house this is a long story this is one of those we have to do a little bit of a tiny bit of a truncation they try to get people in there for a

long time and these it just fell to the reverend lionel aldrinan foister who decided to become the new rector at the place because for it's it's you know it's one of those rector dang they're gave her free swimming lessons i swear to god i i even just i i'm gonna start a sports podcast just to torture you i'm gonna start one on my own and call it balls in the air no it took a few months for the phenomenon to come back but once it did it came back big the foisters experienced everything the smiths had been through but like we said the anne got up a little bit and with the foisters things supposedly got physical the toddler was locked in a room when no key was present and maryanne was supposedly thrown from her bed several times in classic

poltergeist fashion before a ghost punched her in the face punched her in the face that is really annoying or so she says this is the part of it where it gets like it gets really tenuous because it's very difficult to get punched in the face yeah and she did have a like a black eye but they all were like we think she could have just cracked herself on the fucking side of the head maryanne we're gonna find out it's a little unstable yeah okay the foisters even experienced spontaneous combustions and smells they couldn't explain which is the part of hauntings that i'm sensitive to i can smell through time that's what who told you that what is happening he's been talking a lot the mirror okay no it's true ghosts commonly they do smell like in this case it was a lavender

smell smelled very floral but they do sometimes smell like farts yeah well it's better than as lavender mm-hmm well Lionel Forster detailed all these experiences in newsletters that he regularly sent out to the rest of his family now dear i mean that's just a letter yeah no newsletters because it's news about the family people used to do that more often yeah i remember i had an aunt that used to do it and it was all being like and you know our daughter angelina she's taken to the pole and you're like i wish that you'd stop like phrasing it like that good for her so after about a year of this ethyl bowl suggested to the foisters that they should call up harry price to see if harry price could help in october and in october of 1931 price returned with

two members of the national laboratory of psychical research which is i mean i these are his employees yeah it's his secretary and his second his buddy yeah that came with him but he did have witnesses but it'd be so much fun to travel everywhere with the secretary i guess not if you're the secretary no it's fun she had fun yeah she reported everything yeah if you're gonna be a secretary being a secretary to a paranormal researcher is about the best gig you can get that's any pots yes yeah remember that ghostbusters yeah and yeah great time she had sex with rick maranis hell yeah what a great time what a great time now during harry's first visit during the foister tenancy he again experienced phenomena but this time it seemed to have a different flavor see the bowl

family had been big wine drinkers and the cellar was still littered with empty bottles there's a kind of people if they go to any sort of like where old people go to vacation they immediately buy the shirts that say like may contain wine and so when harry price came a wine bottle came flying down the main staircase and it shattered on the hall floor but this wasn't like before when harry was sure no one was upstairs this time he knew marian was up there almost immediately price suspected marian being the source of this apparent phenomena and on the next visit another incident occurred which remains one of the most controversial in the history of borley well in the second visit that price and his two colleagues made they sat down for a meal with the foisters

and the nlpr had brought along a couple of bottles of wine see but once the meal was prepared marian went to the kitchen to bring in the bottle i got some more bottles no running about me i'm not the ghost oh man less wine with an age and more wine without an age this is a fun dinner this is fun and everyone's great surprise when price opened the first bottle and handed it to marian they found that the wine had turned to pure jet black ink what and when they opened the second bottle they found that someone had fouled that one up by mixing in cologne oh my god it's in the disappointment at harry price's voice of he's been like i wanted to see the plum of a savignon murr i wanted to see the current flavor of a pinot noir but what did i get nothing but the

inky blackness of inky ink that is horrible to do to this man but this is not the only instance of something like this happening although it never happened unless harry price was around and some point to this as proof that harry was responsible for the inky wine he'd never ruin wine it doesn't feel like he would ruin wine he'd never ruin his aina garden he all he did is talking about pairings and all the little lunches he put together the old school way with just like a little bit of toast you have a bit of olive and you have a bit of bread he would never sully wine it doesn't sound like it see back when the smiths still lived at the house harry was again over for dinner along with a friend of the smiths then in the middle of the meal the friend remarked that all

this paranormal hubbub could be the work of one clever man and soon after she said that the wine in her glass turned into ink and some think that this was a complicated conjurer's trick done by harry price but why would he do it the moment that they all accused him of being the one doing the trick i don't think he would ruin wine well admittedly harry price was indeed an expert conjurer and a member in good standing of a famous illusionist club called the magic circle we sometimes like to call ourselves the virgin cafe yes indeed but on the other hand this tale about wine into ink also comes from mabel smith who changed her story so many times over the years that it's exceedingly hard to tell what's fact and what's fiction plus just because price was a magician

doesn't mean you can't trust him and that's what a lot of people seem to be implying interesting magicians are actually very trustworthy because they let you know when they're well never mind nobody no never let your girlfriend or your wife alone in the same room as david blame because he will he will go right you'll end up inside of her yeah he'll just be like yeah literally he did you see the heels of his shoes outside of her vagina how do you do it that magic that's magic i think it's contortion yeah but yeah you can't trust a magician that's still your wallet that's still your whole life yeah no that's true but regardless of price's involvement in the ink incident price still told the reverend foister that he believed that the source of much but not all

of the phenomena was most likely his bored wife marianne and price did tell him this somewhat indelicately i think it's me i'm wondering this trickery or how you know i've never seen or not ghost in my life all of you are ghosting me oh why are you screaming it's okay mary and so the reverend threw price out of the rectory for even suggesting such a thing and the investigator wouldn't be allowed back into the rectory for years to come meanwhile the foisters were trying all the old standbys to get rid of a poltergeist two reverends and a bishop came and performed a cursory exorcism on the house but nothing changed my god not even three pedophiles to find these ghosts foister then tried fumigating the house

with burning creosote which that's pretty much just tar he's burned pine tar in the house and that worked for a bit but once the smoke cleared the phenomenon always seemed to return and the foisters had their fair share of apparitions as well and it must be noted that they were not the only people during this period to see these particular apparitions last night i saw the scariest vision i've ever seen it was a i think it was a shaking woman all in white smoking a very thin cigarette yeah it was me bitch i brought my slims with me i'm out here just enjoying my life living my life how dare you bring drama you're the one bringing drama out of my life because that's me my only thing is i hate drama except for my bitch friend susan i'll fucking kill her i kid her with

my car if i saw but at the same time i love her they know you do maryan i know it but their apparition was not the phantom nun instead they were haunted by the ghost of the reverend harry bull on multiple occasions maryanne said that she saw the rector standing on the main staircase dressed in what was said to be his favorite plum colored dressing gown we need more sleep in dresses yeah that's true i've gotten really into sleeping pants yeah yeah yeah how are you into them would you say well because i've been sleeping naked for like a decade and i've been having real bad nightmares lately and i found recently that if i sleep with pants on i don't have nightmares as bad that is very interesting do you think that the cloth comforting your penis like allows the rest of your body to

calm down yeah because if my penis isn't out and exposed my body isn't on high alert because i'm always thinking right before i go to sleep the last thing i always think is what's the best way someone breaks in to get out of bed put on pants and then get the knife and stab him this is great you cut out the middleman i don't know i always wear my panties i'm gonna pair nally's panties and i just stretch them over me and i wear full boots really yep so i can scare the whoever comes in to rob my home as i come out with little panties on with my dick balls hang out on the side of it and big combat boots and either you know that's the best thing he's ever seen he's excited to join my family or he'll leave i think he might do the latter before you say this is just marianne

making shit up other townies reported seeing the same apparition through the windows of the house when it was empty talking about the reverend in his plum colored dressing gown and on one occasion in particular an acquaintance came calling on the reverend foister when he was out of the house and when marianne told the caller that the reverend wasn't home the woman said quote you must be mistaken i saw him in an upstairs room wearing a dressing gown whoa and there were others during this time who witnessed intelligent phenomena a man named edwin whitehouse was a frequent visitor and he said he saw objects move their own cord he saw mysterious fires and he heard the bells ringing whoa in fact it was edwin whitehouse who finally convinced harry price that he should

return to borley rectory to continue his studies despite price's misgivings about marianne foister but while price was still gone an all-new phenomenon had begun that seemed to defy explanation marianne foister had begun to seemingly receive written messages from the other side see marianne foister was so not into drama that she definitely didn't write notes to herself like creating almost into the the i would say the current day analogy is creating a separate facebook profile in order to try to convince your husband to cheat on you and catch him and be like fit me fit me the whole time during the summer of 1931 marianne started finding scraps of paper lying around the house inscribed with her name who's fucking doing this is calling me out i live my life i live my life i

do what i want i live my dreams i know you do marianne figuring this was the spirit trying to communicate marianne wrote what do you want under one of the messages and left it in an envelope in one of the rectory rooms and when marianne checked the letter later she saw only one word written in response to the question regarding the spirit's intentions as far as what the spirit wanted it only said rest i tell you when i feel the same way i do the sound i'll help you out here's a clonopin and have three pinot grigios and you'll get some rest my friend oh my god that's a great recipe for rest after that the supposed messages began appearing on walls throughout the house it started with just marianne's name again but the messages soon became more complex

the second message located between the bathroom and the servant stairs said marianne please help get it tell me what i fucking need to get okay you don't tell me how to raise my daughter where is my daughter i haven't seen her in like a year i don't know marianne the third message however was the most complex of all and this message is the source of one of the most famous legends about borley rectory again it started with the name marianne followed by what seemed to be only scribbles but upon further inspection it seemed to say at get help intent bottom me now some think that the word intent was supposed to be repentant okay others think the message actually said marianne get help well tank bottom me what does that mean yeah was all i mean and the

foisters didn't know what the scribbles meant so marianne so marianne wrote a reply saying i cannot understand tell me more in response they got the words light in followed by scribbles then write prayer and oh followed by more scribbles what am i supposed to do it's like talking to my best friend marianne i have a new best friend because my last best friend fucking bitch susan she told me she tried to get me to buy a new sewing machine for $5,000 i said i can't afford this fucking bullshit so marianne my new best friend when she told me was that i don't need this fucking help and i do me i i need to draw boundaries yeah susan's very nice she's telling those sewing machines you could help her out maybe buy one but another interpretation of that third

message claims that they quite possibly say light mass and prayers deceived by whom what who on and on it went with more messages like marianne light mass prayers and get light mass and prayers here good i don't that's weird it all just sounds like messages i used to receive in the the other file the other folder that in the old facebook messages shit from like guys from nigeria oh yeah yeah now first some people especially harry price took these messages as evidence that the spirit was marie lair the betrayed french nun from our first episode and she was trying to communicate using broken english from the french dictionary her spirit had stolen decades earlier so she got a ghost english to french dictionary or french to english dictionary a real french to english dictionary

remember from first episode there was one man who said that he had an intelligent haunting experience while the bulls still live there remember he said his french dictionary disappeared and then applauded back into the locked room and so they're starting to put all these pieces together even though she could have just asked napoleon in heaven i don't know if all of this is real couldn't if she just asked one of the old people no she's stuck at borley and napoleon isn't in heaven yeah oh he invented hats though that was good for society yeah well they started putting all these stories together they started putting the story of marie together with the messages of marianne light mass prayers and get light mass and prayers here because remember the nun was

supposedly strangled and thrown into the well where borley rectory was built and they think that quite possibly these messages were the ghost finally trying to get the body of christian burial oh my god but this is harry price trying to create a fallible a fallible story yeah of this whole thing so rice is trying to now he's doing his ghost fucking charles dickens works trying to like patch all of this bullshit together and then you know we'll see how it plays out yeah all right this does make for a fantastic story but none of it is legitimate okay good thing we just talked about it for an hour the messages at least none of the messages were legitimate after doing a simple handwriting analysis it was found that all the messages including the responses were all written

by the same person marianne foister it's because you didn't believe in me you didn't believe that i could both be a woman sitting on a barrel of wine and that i could also be the ghost marianne i think you need to buy that sewing machine from susan and you need to you need to get a friendship back i knew that susan was my soulmate because my new best merry friend my new best friend marianne she told me to not be a come to the sewing circle anymore because i talked too loud during bread time no the harry prices credit he fully accepted these findings even though it totally torpedoed his central thesis about the source of the haunting although he did also suggest that maybe marianne was controlled by a second personality maybe a little light possession could be could be better

than a little light position absolutely i think marianne um she might have a couple of personalities going on maybe yeah uh most likely like marianne williamson was either looking for attention or she was really going through a serious psychotic break she might have been is her name marianne williamson oh did i say what marianne williamson i wrote marianne williamson like six times and i had to like keep going back and i thought that i had got every instance of me writing marianne williamson but no i didn't i wrote marianne the very last time i fucking wrote marianne williamson she's gonna come back she's gonna save the world with love i love her i'm a big fan uh but that's the thing that wall messages only ever appeared when marianne was in the house nobody ever saw

wall messages when the bulls are the smiths live there and nobody ever saw them after the foisters left for marianne's part she never admitted to writing the messages saying instead that they were probably a prank played by young boys coming into the rectory to use the bathroom after church oh that's a great prank everything's covered in piss you know there's there's a lot of blaming of young boys in the story there yeah there's a lot of people that say the bell's ringing is probably young boys but it's like a pack of young boys like the foot clan just i could see that though there wasn't much to do there was no nintendo switch or anything you gotta go play pranks and the thing was sometimes people would visit the rectory while the foisters were there and

not experience a goddamn thing one reverend named laughton said he house out for the foisters for a month and experienced absolutely nothing i guess i'll just go home oh by the way the foisters finally left borley rectory in 1935 and they were the last people to ever call it home two years later harry price who wanted to give borley one last go leased the property for a year and turned it into a full-on paranormal laboratory dude this is the funnest idea oh yeah i love what he did here he just he was like fucking because he was gonna maybe turn it into a hotel so he was with a guy that was basically saying it's like well though we're gonna do a great he made a bigger foot plan man who literally just like putting like fake closets that open up and a guy in a sheet

will come out go ah i will show you to your room he wanted to make it a paranormal experience hotel and harry price to his credit was like let's hold on before we make it because that's beetle juice as well yeah that's the whole it's the story with the real estate developer the whole second story line is about making it a ghost fucking theme park yeah it's like let's hold let me see if i can get a little bit more proof out of this so he created a way in order to do this he wanted to create a way to get a genuine read without any quote-unquote bias on the borley rectory so he crowdsourced it yeah he put in a bunch of advertisements in the newspaper and just hired regular folks like a bunch of 1940s winston's edamores like they're just regular guys

coming in for a paycheck they put it it's so cool they had like a little like a classified listing that was like haunted house researchers have wanted oh i do dare look across the spectrum do you dare see into the veil of the other side and people show me like i do and so he had then he's like i could tell there are certain rubes it said oh i want to come because i can really get off on that or oh that'd be a gas of a time and i knew then if you said the word gas of a time you will not be having a gas of a time in my haunted rectory so price brought them all to the rectory but since they were all amateurs he gave them a printed manual of instructions on how to conduct themselves during the study of the haunting and that manual was called the alleged haunting at borley rectory

instructions for observers yeah cool now skeptics and even some in the believer community say that harry price bucked up from the very beginning by first not using experienced parapsychologists and second by giving them a handbook that's because when harry gave him the handbook he was essentially training them to experience specific phenomena and since the human imagination is highly active and suggestive these people's perceptions just couldn't be trusted i know no i know it's just fun to be you do done it yeah it's very fun but nevertheless this was still the first time that a book of instructions for psychical researchers had ever been printed the first section of the book outlined procedures such as who to contact if the phenomena was

especially strong or when they could go to the bathroom yep okay it's when your cock is full okay so going on past experience price's book focused on two locations the blue room and the nuns walk every day each observer had to spend at least part of the day and part of the night in the blue room in complete darkness and report their findings afterward that's fun it is fun could they get hammered no they couldn't get hammered well you had to have they did he did give everybody a flask of brandy okay so uh that is to help awareness okay yes if you were to just chug the brandy then you probably would get fired if you got hammered you'd get fired i'm not hammered i can drive i could drive home right now sir there are bubbles coming out of

your mouth as far as the nuns walk went the observers were required to observe the area for a half hour before and after dusk from the summer house in the same spot where Henry bowl had watched the ghost decades previous the second part of the blue book and this is the part critics had trouble with is a complete list of all the phenomena that have been reported at Borley including the footsteps the bell ringing and the various apparitions and along with the descriptions of the apparitions were instructions on what the observer should do if they should happen to see an apparition the instructions read quote if figure speaks do not approach but ascertain name age sex origin calls a visit even trouble and possibly alleviation inquire if it is a spirit

ask figure to return suggesting exact time in place do not move until figure disappears note exact method of vanishing if through an open door quietly follow if through solid object such as wall ascertain if still visible on other side okay but herring price slightly to his credit did try his hardest to anticipate the imaginations of the observers the pamphlet closed with this message although some or all of the above phenomenon may be observed it is very important that the greatest effort should be made to ascertain whether such manifestations are due to normal causes such as rats small boys the villagers the wind wood shrinking in the death watch beetle farm animals nosing the doors etc trees brushing against the windows birds of the chimney stack

or between double walls etc so like did people just have kids and then they'll be like we're our little boys like why little boys you know dude i i remember when i was a kid like i was just kind of let go into the town for about eight hours a day every day in the summertime it's like they asked them to leave the house yeah okay so over the next year about 70 people all spent time at borley rectory mostly on weekends because everyone had day jobs of course and the phenomena continued just as strongly as it always had they held multiple seances and using a Ouija board the observers claim to have gotten into contact with harry bull who told the sitters that the bodies of a nun and a monk named father knock or possibly father inock were

buried in the garden then during one of the Ouija sessions two sitters received a message from an entity calling itself su nex amuris and su nex told them that the rectory were burned down at nine o'clock that night whoa and that proof of the haunting in the form of bones would be found under the ruins got the bones the fire rooms love it now nothing happened that night ah and soon after prices lease ran out and the rectory was bought by a one captain william hot gregson and while gregson was rearranging his library one night he knocked over an oil lamp and burned the whole goddamn place down that is a mistake yeah buddy and while the fire was at its strongest many of the locals who came out to watch the old haunted house burn said they saw a figure of a girl

wearing a blue dress and a man in a bowler hat wandering around in the flames do you want to go save those people no they're ghosts they're ghosts i hear them uh screaming and stuff no they're ghosts they're ghosts that are on fire oh my goodness then in 1940 about two years after the fire harry price released the most haunted house in england his first book on borley rectory one of the book's most avid readers was the canon of carlile dr wj fithian adams very fancy that honestly he's not a doctor that's just his name yeah and adams believed that everything in the story suggested that there were human remains under the cellar floor so harry price returned to the ruins of borley rectory for one last go and began his excavation of the cellar

in 1943 while world war two was still raging just across the english channel and on the first afternoon the dig produced the left jawbone and the left side of the skull of a human female to price this seemed to confirm everything he'd suspected about the haunting of borley concerning who the intelligence was i could just see him do in his touchdown dance here was the skull of marie laier here were the remains of the young woman in the cellar of borley rectory where the remains of the jilted nun were supposed to be and now the first ever super bowl shuffle that is cool and what was more it was found that the woman was suffering from an abscess at the time of her death which jied with certain reports of a pained look on the phantom nun's face interesting and

while the discovery is indeed compelling there's no evidence to support the claim that this was even marie laier much less that these bones were the source of more than a hundred years of haunting we have no idea of marie laier is even a goddamn thing i don't like the way you guys are you guys are really toying with me here because it's always like ooh and then you're always like i don't know like so what's the truth here this is the frustrating world but if they're normal if there was truth here this would be taught in schools we are doing our best no there's they're busy teaching adam and eve in schools that adam and steve i might add i might add because that would be gay and that would never be so bad if adam and steve were just keeping each

other warm and going in the jungle all scared of the sneak noises and all the bear noises and they just think oh maybe we'll just kiss each other just kind of see what it'd be like to see if you've two buddies can find a new level of friendship you know father zebrowski you've blacked out it's uh seven hours later oh my god oh my god well there's some who claim that harry prize planted those bones there himself in order to give his second book about borley rectory a stronger narrative they say that harry price either snuck in days before and planted the bones there himself or he did a switcheroo on the actual bones which are said to come from the body of a pig but there are problems with these accusations concerning the planting of the

bones the bones were found under a bricked floor and harry price was already in terrible health and only about two years away from a fatal heart attack he did have a weak heart very weak there was no way that harry could have excavated the cellar himself and even if he had enlisted an accomplice the bill for keeping a possible extortionist quiet was far beyond harry prices means okay now i'm back in believe it he doesn't have a lot of bribe money no really yeah a lot of people were already coming for him so there was a lot of it was it's very strange because he was already he was vaguely popular but also while positively popular he was also negatively popular because all of this it made a lot of publicity good and bad yeah right and concerning

the switcheroo while price was an expert conjurer especially when it came to slide a hand both the condition of the bones and what type of bones were there would have been impossible to foresee see prices actual shovel boy was a local farm worker named mr jackson and when jackson pulled the jawbone out from the muddy clay he was completely convinced that it came from the body of a pig but there are but there are two huge problems with this first harry price had no idea what sort of soil laid underneath poorly rectory and the bones sent out for analysis were covered in the same muddy clay that the rectory stood upon furthermore people who lean on mr jackson's spot analysis must also concede that he found a jawbone whether it was pig or not meaning that

either harry price was fantastically lucky with what sort of bone he chose to bring or he just had pockets full of bones at the ready depending on what sort of pig bone came out of the earth now if there were any bones there at all now he just wished the whole thing was haunted by pigs i mean that would be cute it would be cute oh erbert the pig is back but no marcus would love to walk everywhere with the pocket full of bones oh yeah and i could if i chose to do so it's not illegal until you that's i don't know yeah that my favorite defense is that it's not legal i don't even know if that's true well human bones possibly depending very possibly depending on where they came from and you know the manner of their acquisition acquisition would not say harvesting but you know

it could be don't say harvesting i don't know but the thing is about price is that he hadn't done himself any favors in the past and 1929 a reporter named charles sutton came out to do a follow-up story on the rectory and while he and price were walking the house sutton felt himself being pelted by rocks and suspecting a trick sutton grabbed price and frisked him let me see your damn pockets yeah unhand me good sir unhand me i'm trying to have a just suck it at chinese me prices pockets are full of rocks like full of little pebbles and that's right my rocks and this did happen and price probably did regret it but we don't really know prices motivation i mean after all one reporter had already seen what borley could do most likely

price did it because it just made for a better story and that was in essence was prices fatal flaw it was always prices fatal flaw although he could have been perfectly happy again and again with what he had he always needed to attach a spooky narrative to his studies and those embellishments always tainted the story oh you just got to use this guy okay somebody's got a nose for news somebody knows how to package stories the spr really could have used harry price and his skills but because they couldn't keep their flim flam man on a leash right went rogue he did a bunch of dumb shit and then it makes them look bad because of their association with them which then makes them subsequently as soon as they can fucking throw them under the bus yeah yeah because this criticism

came out in full force following harry price's sudden death from a heart attack in 1948 once harry was dead and gone his so-called friends in the psychical research community wrote and released what came to be known as the borley report it's very it's very similar to like the war in commission where they started looking into it and like and it's just they just debunk it piece by piece by piece and it just gets to a point where they just didn't like harry price anymore yeah they just didn't like him in this report molly goldney trevor hall and eric dirty ding ding wall accused the recently dead price of every kind of fraud and willful deception all for the purpose of selling his two books on borley rectory but the problem with this report is that while it's full of

unreliable witnesses and phrases like may have been appears to have been and it is not unreasonable to postulate it's also quite short on facts hmm i mean yes it is a fact that price through rocks and reporters had pretending to be a poltergeist that was one time that's just one time that's one time and who doesn't want to throw rocks at a reporter they all deserve it right now sometimes and yes marianne foister was making up communications with the spirit world sure sure that's marianne will it's mariam now mariam williamson god damn it that's her though yeah did mabel smith recant everything yes sure she's a he's a she's drunk she's drunk but really that's all they had for sure and concerning mrs smith it was later discovered the reason

why she recanted was because she believed that her dead husband and harry price had met in the afterlife and they had both asked her to help put borley rectory to rest there you go so they jump to the second cousin level of stupidity there we go they went past the one level shitter was full yeah they went straight to like just a deeper life okay seems to me that the borley report is mostly the dandy fops of the paranormal world pushing back on the working class hero only when he was no longer alive to defend himself like a bunch of fucking coward this is class warfare hey buddy let's let's do it and while some criticism is definitely merited the fops did a full take down on a man who had once called them friend one defender of price said that the report was quote

inspired by envy hatred and malice and it seems with spleen like a super eating ulcer now make no mistake something has been happening on the grounds of borley rectory after the rectory burned down the activity just moved across the road to the church and there in the church the organ pipes are known to play when no one is present um these organ pipes aren't playing there's a bunch of squirrels in there farting whoa that is people hear noises in there all the time like it is the activity in the borley church is still active people go and investigate it to this day people are seeing the nun is still around yeah i mean intense apparitions were still appearing as late as the 70s and 80s the last big sighting of the nun that happened in the 70s that involved

an entire group of investigators observing the phantom nun for 12 minutes straight from multiple angles that's a lot of none but i do feel like this is sort of the nuns if that one was kind of like the nuns farewell tour yeah it was definitely the the third aerosmith where we're tiring tour where she came out one last time and had four on course and then left because she hasn't really been seen since yeah she drifted awesome because they said they saw her drift about a foot above the ground and then passed through a fence and vanish maybe she's done she's she's retired and people are still trying to see the nun to this day every year people still camp out near the ruins of borley rectory on july 28th which is the anniversary of the day that all four

bull sisters saw the phantom nun just before they all witnessed the ghost vanish into thin air yes very cool borley rectory rector rector dang near dang near barter house uh this is wonderful so yeah this is wonderful i love this story it's good to put yourself in the head because i know because like as i'm reading the most haunted house in england it's so fun to kind of put yourself in the scenario of imagining doing all this cyclical research like having all the lunches it's so much fun man really fun i want to go on a ghost hunt so bad uh well we we definitely need to do that in the future i want to do it so big yes i want to see some ghosts it makes me feel all spooky in my underpants well we are excited to see real people this weekend as well because

we are going to be in beautiful florida we are in beautiful florida yeah we are in tampa obviously this evening and then tomorrow that will be a saturday we will be in miami so if you are in miami come on out check out the show we have no idea when we'll be back to miami so we are excited to see all there and then after miami we will be in beautiful sunny orlando so we are excited to see everyone you know i'm really excited for elando i actually set up a meeting for us with this guy he's part of a talent agency and i said that we can sing and we could dance but the thing that we have to do is i mean we have to show up he said in swimwear swimwear first okay yeah yeah i brought my swimsuit great i didn't bring any swimsuit perfect okay because i don't think the

swimsuits are gonna last long but it's a huge opportunity okay to form a band where we could start taking it out on the road because kissle you're the bad boy i'm the bad boy yeah marcus is the shy one yeah and the cute one at the same time yeah shy and cute and me i'm i'm the the round one i'm the polish one i'm polish you do all the singing yeah you do all the singing and the dancing i'm talking about getting molested by a talent manager in orlando oh okay the ghost of lupurl i see yes um yes we are excited to see everyone do we have any other things to announce here i mean we got a whole bunch of shows coming up throughout this year y'all be coming down to new orleans coming to new orleans finally are we coming down we're gonna be filming our live special in new

orleans oh i can't wait to try all the spice can't wait to have all that creole creole sauce absolutely so that is where we can do our ghost tour yes in new orleans we cannot wait that's on december 13th correct i believe so yes well you can double check last podcast on the left uh dot com for tickets so that we're going to actually be doing two shows uh in one night uh on a friday night there in new orleans to el mara special for this year so please come on out and witness the magic of life for four months that's right marcus you sold it so well and then this show will be dead just like all the ghosts in uh in borough erectory yeah borough erectory borough erectory and we have more halloween goodness coming for you real real soon next week's the story that i'm very excited to tell

it's going to be really fun then this is another uh recommendation by uh neil out in the uk this is a story that we did not know existed but uh is a it's another english story that happened out at a high gate cemetery uh it is drama on a level that i did not know existed so awesome very exciting all right everyone thank you all so much for listening hope you're doing very well hail yourselves hail satan again my ghost relations tell me the first rise oh no it's too big this show is made possible by listeners like you thanks to our ad sponsors you can support our shows by supporting them for more shows like the one you just listened to go to last podcast network dot com