Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 401: JFK / Lee Harvey Oswald Part II - The Grease Boy

Episode Date: February 22, 2020

On the second part of our series on the JFK assassination, we cover Lee Harvey Oswald's further adventures on the road to November 22nd, including his mysterious times in New Orleans, his increasing erratic nature, and his many run-ins with the Cubans. 

Hey, what's up, everyone? How you doing? Ben Kissel here, letting you know I will be screening my documentary, Hail Yourself America, all about my run for Brooklyn Borough President in March. I am so excited to see you all! March 9th, they'll be in Syracuse at the Funny Bone. March 10th, they'll be in Albany at the Funny Bone. March 11th, I will be in Manchester at the Funny Bone. March 15th, in Orlando at the Improv, Orlando. March 22nd, in Columbus, Ohio at the Funny Bone. And March 29th, you guessed it, at the Funny Bone in Kansas City. So I am very excited to see you all there. Just search the internet, you'll be able to find tickets, and we shall hang out. Okay, everyone, hail yourselves! Enjoy this episode. There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that?

JFK, such an important story in history, and also reflects upon one of the most incredible history lessons that the world has ever been providing. JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say? That's it. Technically though, Billy Joel, he had a lot more to say after he said JFK blown away. That's technically when the story begins. JFK, blow it away, what else have I got to say? That's the angriest Billy Joel has ever gotten. You never know what's going to happen. Hey, what's up, everyone? Welcome to the last podcast on the left, I am Ben, staring at Marcus Park's face. Hello. Hello. And then, of course, we have Hollywood Henry Zabrowski out there who is bringing us the classic hit, putting it back in your brain. We didn't ignite it, but we tried to fire it. I think he says they did ignite it. No, they didn't start the fire. No, no, no, I swear to God. The world's been burning since the world's been turned. No, we didn't ignite it. I swear to God they say we did ignite it, but we tried to fight it. No, you fucking, oh my God, you don't have towels in your home. I do have towels now, I do have towels now.

You no longer have an opinion that remotely matters, nothing matters anymore. It all matters. We see it. JFK blowing away. What else have I got to say? Caught to eight hours of podcast about just that, just that. And thank you, Billy Joel, for the tea up. He is the best piano man of all time. You see what his, you see what those fingers do to a piano can even imagine when it's like all over your body. Now you're just, now you're just channeling your mother. Oh my Billy Joel, crispy fingers, Billy Joel, the old crispy paw. Okay everyone, we are on to part two of JFK. So when we last left Lee Harvey Oswald, he'd just become aware of Operation Midnight Ride, which was a 29 city anti-communist speaking tour headlined by extreme right wing former general Edwin A. Walker. Actually, it was, it was Middled by Bobcat Goldthwaite. No, no kidding, love him.

Now as we mentioned last episode, General Walker was by no means a fan of John F. Kennedy, because Kennedy had removed Walker from his post in West Germany for trying to indoctrinate troops with his right wing views and for allegedly calling Eleanor Roosevelt, quote unquote, pink. If you cannot be a general trying to indoctrinate your troops with right wing propaganda, what can you do? I mean, just silence the man then. Well, I gotta tell y'all, some of you balls are just too tight, too delicious to need handouts from the government. Your cocks are too long and elegant to allow abortion. General, why is it that you always mention the size of our cocks when you're bringing up abortion rights? Listen, I think we could have a longer discussion about this in the shower so I can make sure that you're as American as possible because a true soldier will get hard for his general. I'm gonna call our president, Mr. Kennedy, and try to get you removed from your post. Is that cool? Well, Walker had been portraying himself as a righteous and patriotic anti-communist martyr, saying that anyone who would listen, that he'd been a victim of the covert communist agenda that was being pushed by JFK along with various other insidious communist elements in the government and the country at large. These people from across the eye and curtain, they want us to start eating rice. We ain't eating rice in Texas, no more. We eating elbow noodles. Let's give the elbow to communism.

Ooh, I love elbow noodles. Now, somewhat to the credit of Texans, when General Walker ran for governor in 1962, he placed last among the six Democrats on the 1962 gubernatorial ballot. I mean, he was a Democrat. There you go. He was a Democrat? Oh, there was a big switcheroo that happened. Oh, the switcheroo. Oh, the switcheroo. Little flip-flops, something like that. You know, we can yada, yada, yada. But that still meant that 138,000 Texans voted for General Edwin Walker.

138,000 people at least voted for shrimp-flavored M&Ms. Do you remember when they were trying to get the new flavor? I think it was the new flavor M&Ms are dealing with color. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was scrotum gray was when they voted. Tastes like shrimp. That's the scrotum. What that meant was that Walker and those of his ilk, such as supporter George Lincoln Rockwell, who was the leader of the American Nazi Party, very much had a strong contingent in Dallas when Lee Harvey Oswald lived nearby in Fort Worth. So they literally were like, you can call me a Nazi, but don't you call me a communist? Well, I mean, there were people like General Edwin Walker that were like, yeah, well, he may be a Nazi, but at least he's not a communist. Different set of standards.

Different set of standards, and they also made the strange bedfellows excuse. I also don't know. I think it's got it heavily to do, I think, with the racist vibes and who's allowed to do what. They really love the Nazis ability to tell everybody exactly what they are supposed to do with their bodies and their religion. Right. And since Walker was so far right-wing, and since he had the support of the biggest Nazi in the United States, Lee Harvey Oswald saw him as a fascist, which honestly is a pretty fair assessment to make. Okay. And just before Operation Midnight Ride was about to commence, Lee Harvey Oswald and George de Murenchilt, Oswald's only friend, had a conversation about Walker at a party they'd both attended. What a bash that must have been.

I am sick and tired of all these people coming up to me, again, sitting alone in my room, having a nice day, just coming to my door. You sent out an invitation. What is this, cheese? This is just old milk. Cheese is just old milk. Yeah, but this is a great party. You want to talk about communism, and now it's like not that bad. According to George, Oswald was entertaining the old question of what one would do if they had the chance to stop Hitler from rising to power. It's a fun little thought exercise. Sure. And of course, he's comparing Hitler to General Walker, and George almost offhandedly said that anyone who killed Walker would be doing society a favor.

And so, thinking that this was finally his chance to be more than an armchair revolutionary, Lee Harvey Oswald decided that he was going to be the person to stop what he saw as a new Hitler before things got out of hand. So he did the cousin Eddie route. It just went down, yeah, wrapped a bow around him, just like, look what I did, everyone. Everyone was just like, oh, that's not symbolic. But there had been other events occurring in the geopolitical realm that had influenced how Oswald was looking at the world. Just the year before, America had been involved in a disastrous operation that came to be known as the Bay of Pigs invasion. Now, how could that be bad? There's, I mean, honestly, Bay of Pigs, I would rather, I would honestly, I don't want to invade a Bay of Pigs.

I'd love to be invited to one. It's a luau. And I picked the big, fattest, most succulent one and I would seduce him and he would think that, oh, I'm about to go and be, what a nice home I'll have and what a nice setup I'll have, a little PS4 television. I'll lie to him, you know, and slit his throat in the night. Operation Midnight Ride. Well, to make a very long story short. Cuba, at that time, had just been captured by Fidel Castro, who, if you'll remember, only died about four years ago after stepping aside to let his brother rule Cuba in 2006. I mean, he officially died four years ago.

He died 38 years ago. The man was on life support forever. You kept the brain alive. That's the only part that matters. That's true. Now, back in the 60s, Fidel Castro was a bit of a boogeyman in America because he'd led a revolution in Cuba that replaced a dictatorship that was friendly to the United States with a communist state that was friendly to the USSR. And all of this had happened just 90 miles from Florida. And that's where my father was bravely defending our country during Vietnam on a submarine in the Gulf of Mexico pissing into Cuban waters.

So they would know. Do you see where this beer piss is floating? That's where you can't come with your communism. Wow. Cubans. It takes a hero. It does. And so the CIA, using money that had been allocated by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, sponsored and trained a group of Cuban exiles on the hope that they would retake Cuba and replace Castro with someone more in line with U.S. interests and ideologies.

And that worked out great, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See what we have here? It's called a potato gun. You're going to want to go in there. Now, people will, you scatter, you will scatter the people because they're hungry. They will try to get the little potato pellets. But this potato pellet can also penetrate the mind of a communist.

However, while this program began with Eisenhower, the actual invasion took place in the first year of John F. Kennedy's administration and the entire operation was a massive failure specifically because of John F. Kennedy. Someone forgot the pineapples. You can't eat pig without pineapple. Without pineapple, none of this is al pastor. This is a obviously very complicated story within history that we're boiling down as much as possible, but this is another one of those. Let's just keep counting the amount of enemies John F. Kennedy was breeding during this time period. Absolutely. Well, basically the United States was supposed to provide air cover for the anti-Castro forces as they stormed the titular Bay of Pigs.

But he sets us up for that. That's why I didn't laugh because Marcus sets us up because he always says, like, and that's when he returned to duty. And then, oh, titular, oh, like, this isn't going to, oh, the fat boys are going to laugh at this, he says, as he writes. He is right. But the United States had publicly said that they were not going to directly involve themselves in the fight for Cuba. They said this is between the Cubans. We're not going to provide any sort of military resources. Of course, that was a lie. You say lie. We say secret. It's just a little secret that we're not going to just tell everybody that we're going to help them.

We're going to kind of force help on them in a way that they will definitely love. But when it became obvious to the entire world that the United States was indeed interfering in Cuba's affairs militarily because we had bombed Cuban air bases the day before the invasion, John F. Kennedy pulled the air cover for the invasion itself and the operation failed. Now, of course, it was a dead giveaway when the remnants of the bomb were nothing but hot dogs. That is tried and true when a U.S. bomb someone. We always put a little hot dog in every bomb. Amen, because it's always important. We may not get you with our dynamite, but we can maybe get you with a little bit of heart disease, which is what we've been sending around this world for a very long time. Absolutely.

They openly told him that they only had half of forces that they needed to do this invasion of Cuba. Literally, we were the long goal. It seemed like they did a little toe in saying, Yeah, it's an invasion of Cuba, but they didn't really fully on say, No, we are going to go take Cuba. We're going to go take over the whole thing. They tried to do it like light style, like a diet invasion. And then when they couldn't pull it off, JFK pulled. I also did not know until researching it a little bit was that they had actually already done a round of air cover. There already was that whole, they sent a bunch of planes over.

They bombed a bunch of bases. Yeah. That's how everyone found out that the U.S. was a part of it because someone from Cuba went to the U.N. and said, The United States is bombing us. And then the U.S. was just like, big if true. Like doing the Gmail undo button. I mean, like, no, it wasn't us. It literally is just a classic American. This is an example of just classic American foreign policy where you go and you attempt something and you come back. You're like, they're really serious about being a sovereign nation.

So it turns out, turns out they're dead serious about it. We don't, I don't know why, but they love it. They have what they perceive to be freedom. Well, since the United States had still involved themselves halfway, Castro was able to portray himself as the man who was able to defeat the military might of the United States, even though he hadn't really. If the United States had fully committed, he wouldn't have stood a fucking chance. But that perception that he had beaten them back elevated his status in Cuba to even more of a national hero. And since the U.S. had acted aggressively, Cuba's relationship with the Soviet Union only got stronger, which of course led to the Cuban Missile Crisis the following year, which almost resulted in the literal end of the world.

Very dangerous. Both, of course, the people on board had the right, they could have bombed whatever. Thank God for the leaders on those vessels that they did not. Naturally, this massive public failure on a global scale was gold for an anti-Kennedy firebrand like General Edwin Walker. And part of his Operation Midnight Ride speech was a strong suggestion, almost a command, that Kennedy should kill Castro. And who should be a gigantic supporter of Castro, but Communist superfan Lee Harvey Oswald? He had recently decided that Cuba was the true realization of the communist state, as opposed to the Soviet Union, who had been nothing but a disappointment. I mean, it is the Florida of communism. It is a much better place than the USSR. Lee Harvey Oswald got mad like a Metallica fan after the black album, saying that USR went pop. They are no longer true hardcore metal. Fidel Castro, though, is just sexy enough to get his attention.

So three days after General Walker gave his speech publicly calling for the death of Fidel Castro, Lee Harvey Oswald began planning his first assassination by doing reconnaissance on Walker's home. See, this is where Lee Harvey Oswald could use his powers for good, but maybe that's bad to say, but you know what, he's a Nazi. No, I'm going to stick with it. This is where he could use his demonic superpowers for good. Telling his wife Marina that he was trying to find a faster route from his job to Jaggers to an evening typing course. Oh, lock up your kids, ladies. It's an evening typing course. Nothing like a nice midnight typing course. Well, telling her that that's what he was doing, Oswald started spending his off time studying maps of Dallas, even though his job and the typing course were only a couple of blocks away from each other. But he said, I got to be efficient here. I got to figure out the best route. Meanwhile, Marina's life was only getting worse.

Oswald would constantly threaten to send her back to Russia while at the same time being horrifically violent. One time he choked her because she couldn't make red beans and rice, telling her that he wouldn't let her get out of this marriage alive. Well, let's get out of this marriage alive, which is not a good thing in the vows as well. Technically, that is till death do we part. But not if it's done to you. If you're a bridesmaid or a groom'sman, just carry a little red flag in your back pocket during every ceremony and just raise it, if anyone ever says that. Well, I think you could say one of us ain't getting out of this thing alive. It's very dangerous, okay. Is that a threat or a promise? But you see him looking at the maps and being like, oh, I don't know what to do, Marina. I don't know how to get to work faster. I got it. I should start living at work.

Hey, George Costanza? Well, eventually, things got so bad that Marina tried hanging herself. Oh my God. But when Oswald found her tying the noose in the bathroom, he slapped her in the face and called her stupid for even thinking about it. But while all this was happening, Oswald had discovered where General Walker lived. So he started visiting Walker's house and taking photos of the entrances, further extending his secret spy fantasy life. Because now he's in full spy cosplay in his way. He is out there. He now has a mission. Because again, during this whole time period, especially the first half of his life, he was so sick of being what we called, you know, he said the armchair revolutionary.

Now he's really going to get his boots on the ground. And he has been he has been so excited for this. There's a really interesting book that I started reading called the Idol Warriors by Kerry W. Thorneley, who served with Lee Harvey Oswald during the one he was in the Marines. And he wrote the first draft of this book came out before the assassination. Wow. And it's a essentially a character study of Lee Harvey Oswald and what he was like when they were all stationed together. And it's a overly it's a paint a portrait of an overly serious person to the point of ridiculousness where he is now overcome with how everything's a fucking sham like he Everybody's a fake. There's no such thing as reality is getting he's getting like really, really deep. But it is an interesting character study to kind of see how what happens here where he's looking for meaning all the time.

He kind of has this idea that he is supposed to be a part of the wind of fate of history. And these are now him trying to take his like active shots and making himself a part of history. Then on March 12 1963 Oswald ordered a 6.5 millimeter man like a carcano rifle complete with a scope for $21 and 45 cents. And he ordered it under the name of Alec Hedell. This would be the rifle that Oswald would eventually use on November 22 1963. He just got it out of a magazine, huh? Oh, yeah. Now this rifle has become a heavily debated subject over the last 57 years, just like pretty much everything else in this case.

One of the nagging questions about the rifle is why Oswald would order it under an assumed name when he could openly walk into any gun store in Texas and get one the same day. And he could use the fake ID that he already had. He literally could use the fake ID, buy it under an assumed name. Why would you create this whole paper trail? If you want to see a conversation that involves a lot of people adjusting their belts, it's when they talk about this gun. Oh, I don't, uh, whoo, it's really interesting. Well, there are two reasons behind this action. One by numbingly mundane and the other a little more complicated.

The complicated reason is that Lee Harvey Oswald was continuing his secret communist super spy fantasy and ordering a rifle under an assumed name to a P.O. box is just what a spy would do to avoid the attention of the FBI. But the more mundane reason, and honestly probably the one that had the most bearing on this decision, was that Lee Harvey Oswald had a coupon. Hold on a sec. Wait, wait, this whole thing is about couponing? Even assassins gotta save money when you're on a budget. What did it say? How much money did he save on this coupon? Extreme deal makers. My mom clipped coupons for a long time. She would ban whole stores. She would not go to a whole chain.

Oh, I remember. Because of the coupons. My mom and I, we had a great Twinkie scam because they wrote the buy one get one thing wrong. So you actually got a bunch for free and then Piggly Wiggly kicked us out. We had Twinkie, I've told that story before. It's very smart. It still resonates. You ever shop at gunamuck.com?

Gunamuck? Yeah, new customers get 15% off of the promo code kill the president. Oh, no kidding. Wow. Well, concerning the accuracy of this gun, and this is one of the biggest points of contention, some derisively call the man liquor carcano the humanitarian rifle. Because it supposedly has a horrible track record as far as how effective it is at killing a man from a distance. But they do know that stray bullets kill people too, right? So maybe it's just, you just killed a wrong man or a small child? It's supposed to be bad for sniping. It's supposed to be inaccurate.

Right. Yeah, but maybe, and then we'll find out maybe that is a key to this whole mystery altogether. Maybe the wrong man was murdered. What, Jackie Onassis was a man? Is that the biggest takeaway from our series? She's a man, baby. I'm going to go die. She's a mom, baby. I'm done.

I'm done. I'm done. Now take this as you will considering the source, but the FBI did run a series of marksman tests on the man liquor carcano. And they found that in the right hands, it was highly accurate with low kickback. But it comes from the FBI. So if you don't trust anything the FBI says, that's meaningless to you. But in the hands of a trained marksman like Lee Harvey Oswald, he would only have to fire this gun 10 or so times in order to identify the peculiarities of his particular weapon. And Oswald came to know this rifle intimately. And for our gun nerds, this is as far as we can go.

I know. I don't know. I don't know how the rifle works. That's why we're saying the FBI says it works. We don't know. I don't necessarily trust the FBI either. I don't know. I watched the PBS documentary I watched. They did prove that it could be done. They shot those big old jelly things, which I'd love to see. And they were like, so they were pretty intense.

That's another must view for this series. Watch the front line PBS documentary about Lee Harvey Oswald. It's two hours and it's fantastic. I love front line. It's so fucking good. And so with the rifle and his possession, Oswald put together an operations manual on how best to murder the general, complete with photographs of the general's house,

a safe place to hide the rifle before and after the assassination, and a planned escape route. How much did that look like Wiley Coyote's plans to catch Roadrunner? He did a lot of drawing himself. Then came the manifestos. Now, one manifesto is just Lee Harvey Oswald complaining about the failures of both the United States and the USSR, coupled with his ideas for a future society.

Oh my God, I would love to have the leader, live under the leadership of Lee Harvey Oswald. No jokes. What? They, there was a, it was called the Athean society was the name of his manifesto because he misspelled Athenian. But the second manifesto was as good as a confession, as it lays out specifically why he was going to kill General Walker,

mostly having to do with the fascist leanings and General Walker's extreme anti-segregationist views. And I just don't like to be up after 11 p.m. and he only rides after midnight. I just don't like it. I don't like it. Then on March 31st, 1963, Oswald took the infamous pictures in his backyard that would grace magazine covers and newspapers the world over

following the assassination of John F. Kennedy. On that day, Oswald played dress up, cladding himself in revolutionary black, tucking his 38 revolver into the waist of his pants and holding his rifle in one hand and left his newspapers in the other. Oswald asked Marina to take the pictures. She agreed. But when he emerged from their home into the backyard

wearing his communist warrior costume, Marina just started laughing. Because he looked like an asshole. Yeah, of course he looked like an asshole. She might be a bigger victim in all of this than JFK. You know, I just feel her life, it's just so bad to be married to a violent cosplay nerd revolutionary. JFK at least got out quick.

Yeah, that's true. Thankfully, he only got a little angry and a little embarrassed when she laughed at him. He didn't get physically violent. And Marina ended up taking the pictures just like Oswald asked. He then took the role to his job at Jaggers to develop the film. One of the pictures was given to his daughter June while another was given to friend George de Morenschilt

with an inscription that read, quote, Hunter of Fascist. Ha, ha, ha. It's fun. Why are you laughing at the end of that Hunter of Fascist line there, Lee? Because it's the only joke I've ever made. Actually, you know what? These are nice. Thank you so much, Marina. Oh my God. Does my head really look like this in real life?

Do I really look like this? Did you take this from a different angle so my legs could look long? What is this? It's just how you look, honey. I don't know what to tell you. God, no, I knew. I thought the mirror was lying. It's always the worst when you take a picture with someone and they're like, we got to take it again. It looks horrible. I'm like, that's how you look.

I don't know what to do. I don't know what to tell you anymore. We've taken eight pictures. We've taken eight pictures at your face. But as it turned out, developing photos at work of himself holding a rifle was a bad idea. And this bullshit was the last straw for his bosses at Jaggers. But, you know, this was really just the reason they've been looking for to get rid of him. They wanted to fire Lee Harvey Oswald because Lee Harvey Oswald was a lazy, incompetent pain in the ass to work with.

Communist. Now, Oswald always started off at a job just fine. But as he got comfortable, his real personality emerged. After a while, Oswald was purposefully knocking into others and refusing to apologize. Just bumpin' him, bumpin' him. Just trying to get a rise. Get away from me, huh? Make room for me. I'm going to kill the president. You know that?

Don't worry. I brought fish in to eat. I'm going to cook it in the microwave. You're all fucking trapped in here with me. You piece of shit. Lee, you know how the office doesn't like it when you cook the fish in the microwave because of the smell and everything. Guess what I'm doing now? I'm making myself throw up.

I'm making myself throw up. What are you going to do about it? Can we fire this guy, please? Can someone fire this man? I mean, his fellow employees hated him so much. It almost came to blows a couple of times. I would have, yes, yes. And when it comes to killers, as we know, there's not much that sets him off more than losing a job. So on April 6, 1963, his last day at Jaggers, Oswald put the Walker Plan into action just seven months before the assassination of JFK. Okay, now, like, how did he do that?

Was he just like, and now the plan begins? Like, how did he do it? Like, was there a ceremony or a ritual? He did, like, track General Walker. He scouted him. He tried to see where he came in. Talk about having so much time now that you're unemployed. There's so much time to plan an assassination.

That is one of the upsides of unemployment. Sure. But if you can go there, he was watching him come in and out. He photographed all of the train tracks and stuff that were kind of around General Walker's house so he can go hide. And so what he did was that he would run drills with his own gun where he'd bury a hole, he buried a hole and kept his gun inside of it, like, by the train tracks. So he'd go and do time trials to see how fast he could do it. And slowly but surely built up his assassin muscles. Man, if this did not end with the assassination of JFK, it's just, it's kind of funny.

No, it's kind of funny. Just seeing this guy scamper around a fascist house. You know, I was actually thinking about that when I was writing the script for today's episode is how many of these people exist in the world, but we just don't know about it. Because they don't end up going through with the plan. Well, there was a kid who practiced to be a ninja in his front yard until he was way too old. I think about 17 and that ruined his social life. I'm going to say, Marcus, that it's a very scary thought that you just said. I honestly think that there's probably, with your population in America, I'm straight up and just straight up.

Like, I'd say 10,000 people tried to kill somebody today and they fucked it up. Yeah. Maybe they couldn't find a coupon. That's sometimes all it takes, but then that's why we say, hug your aggressive, strange acquaintances. Yeah. So on April 6th, Oswald traveled down near Walker's house, buried the rifle near some railroad tracks a few minutes away, and patiently waited for the right moment. Because that night wasn't the right night, but the right night would come soon. Oh man, I didn't time this right, I got a shit.

I buried the rifle, I got a shit now. I've missed whole auditions because I've had a shit. Well, eventually, well, in the meantime, Oswald was forced to tell Marina that he got fired, but he managed to blame the whole thing on the FBI. How? Because the FBI had been coming in harassing him. The FBI had been telling everybody at work that he was a bad person to be associated with. Every time Oswald got fired, he always blamed the FBI. And I'm going to go out on a limb as things go on in this case. This is, there is so, it gets so fucking mysterious and so woo-wee-woo-wee.

At some point, I don't know when he's lying and when he's not. I think he's lying quite a bit, but we're going to find out that the FBI did have people watching after him. Like, you look at, there are, there are, he is being actively tabbed during this whole time period. So then you wonder, is this person a crazy person, an arrasable fucking asshole, or is he really being systematically essentially stalked and maybe almost prodded into action by the, by various shadowy government agencies? I mean, it's a lot done back there. Yeah, yeah. Well, three days later, three days after he buried the gun, Oswald decided it was time to enact the plan. He left a letter for Marina, filled with instructions, but no mention of what he was about to do, because Oswald did not expect to return from the assassination of General Edwin Walker.

Nothing would have made him happier to have been killed in the line of fire. Nothing would have made him feel more of a, a communist martyr. He requested that she send information to the Soviet embassy as far as what was about to happen, and to include any newspaper clippings concerning the event after the fact, because Oswald thought that this would help her to escape the country. Because he thought, okay, she gives, she tells the Soviet government, my husband has murdered a fascist, please get me the fuck out of here. He then told her to throw out all of his clothing, emphasizing that he did not want her to keep it. Don't you keep my pants. You keep those, you don't you dare keep those pants. Because I'm not going to let those pants that were made and bonded to history by my butt to be sold in some goodwill store to some other person, not a national hero. Although he did prefer that she keep his military papers. Okay.

And again, I think this goes back to him thinking like, I'm going to be an historical figure. Sure. These things are important to keep. Isn't it weird though that he is? Yes, it is. Yes. He also left her $60, paid the rent until the 2nd of May, and paid the utility bills for the month. Hey, $60 in 1963 ain't nothing to sneeze at.

That's what I'm saying. He's a communist. That might as well be a billion dollars. After leaving all that, Oswald set out to assassinate General Walker. At about 8 30 PM, Walker was at the desk in his study, finishing up his taxes with the window shades open. And that is when Oswald took aim from a path behind Walker's home and fired. How many anti-Semitic things do you think he said while filling out his taxes? No, it was only a fluke of physics that General Walker wasn't killed instantly.

Oswald was firing through a closed window. But because of his position, he fired through the wooden frame in order to try for the headshot. As a result, the bullet was deflected so minutely that it merely passed through Walker's hair instead of obliterating his skull. Damn. And the bullet lodged itself into the wall just to the left of General Walker. But instead of taking another shot, Oswald buried his rifle in its designated hiding spot near the railroad tracks and ran back home. Super spooked. Really?

Yes, out of all the work, he already took one shot. I mean, I'm going to say you are stepping up to the home plate of your historical metaphorical baseball game, right? Your goal is your Bobby Bonilla. Do not mention it. Someone just had to slam a bottle of pucker because they made it back with their friend. I'm going to slam this packed pucker as soon as he mentions Bobby Bonilla and you just caused a car accident. I think you step up to the plate. You've got your baseball bat.

You're there with the hurler. He's got his burlap and he's about to throw a real humdinger down the alleyway, right? And when you are stepping up to the plate, I do think that there is a moment in time where you're very nervous. Oh, sure. I think that this shot came out. I think he almost surprised himself. I think that he is such a loser that he actually never, there was one side of his brain that was telling him, you're going to be a historical person.

You're going to change the tides of history. You're going to do all this shit. And there was another part of his brain that was actually entirely real and probably very aggravating, where it was saying like, you're a mediocre. You can't do it. You've never succeeded in a thing in your fucking life. You've strung all of this together. There's the little nagging voice.

And then you take the shot. And then in that moment, you actually do become an assassin. And I think that after you do it, there's like a shock. Like, you're like, I actually did it. I'm not the total ineffectual asshole. I thought I was. But then you scamper. Well, I think Oswald just took the shot.

And of course, Walker moved like he didn't just sit there. I think Oswald just took the shot and then just scampered away immediately without checking to see, did I kill this man? Oh, so he assumed that he had shot him. I think he assumed that he had shot him. I think he assumed that he'd killed him. That's like one of those weird things when you see the guy at the grocery store and you have to pretend like you didn't try to kill him. You're just like, oh, runny. Yeah.

Wow, you're still here. Wow. You know, it's weird. I don't mean to say anything, but like your head is like much smaller than I thought it would be. Now, Marina was understandably freaking out because she had no idea what Oswald had been up to. But after he walked back in the door, he told her the whole plan and even showed her the operations manual he devised in the lead up to the attempted assassination. But Marina, who was dependent on Oswald for everything, had no choice but to stay if she wanted to remain in America. Because that was the thing.

Marina loved living in America. She didn't want to go back to the Soviet Union, but there was nowhere else to go. She was also kind of trapped. I mean, she obviously was trapped. But there was a part of her then she started thinking because he would force her to write letters to the Russian embassy and saying, we're moving back. Like he would do these like weird things or very performative being like, you write him and tell him we're coming back then. You write him and tell him. And so they would write them.

And on some level, Marina, I guess, even said privately, if it would make Lee Harvey Oswald happy, maybe we should move back. So there was this whole like push and pull like maybe he can go and be of at least when we were in the USSR, he had a job. Like he could hold a job. He was living like a life. They had friends and society. And now that he's back in America, things are really fraying, especially after all this. It's never good when the glory days are in the USSR. Another great Billy Joel song.

Yeah. But even though Oswald spent the next two nights having convulsive panic attacks out of a fear of being caught for a failure. I mean, he'd be caught for nothing. Marina said he was nonetheless disappointed that the attempted assassination didn't make the nightly news. Really? Yeah. This is a big deal. And he was very, very upset.

Now we're going to see a true. This is where the first showings of how deep the down word spiral is going to go started. Because again, he keeps, he's like, now I'm a man of history. Right, right. Now they're ready for me. Now they're all going to crowd around me. They're all going to be like, because my mommy told me I was so special. Mommy said I was special.

And now they're all going to show that mommy was right. I am special. And if you don't make the evening news, I mean, what was the big story? A raccoon didn't eat all the food out of your trash? What was the biggest story of the evening news that night where an assassination attempt didn't make the cut? It's Dallas. He's got stuff going on. Yeah, okay.

And so on Easter Sunday, after the man Hunt died down, Oswald retrieved his rifle, burned most, but not all of the evidence of the attack in the bathroom sink and told Marina that it was about time to return to New Orleans. Yeah, we got to get down to New Orleans. Oh man, I already miss it just hearing it. I know. Zydeco. Now out of all the periods in Lee Harvey Oswald's short life, possibly the most contentious is his time in New Orleans. Because during the early 1960s, there was actually quite a bit of Cold War goings on happening in New Orleans.

Now one might ask why Lee Harvey Oswald just happened to be around all these weird secret military operations if he had nothing to do with them from the YouTube bombers in Japan to covert Cold War operations in New Orleans. But people like Oswald do exist in history. For example, Violet Jessup was a passenger on the Olympic, the Britannic, and the Titanic. All ships that famously sunk or were involved in major accidents. Don't go anywhere near fucking Violet. Dude, don't get on a ferry with Violet. Don't get in a subway train with Violet.

But just because Violet Jessup was on board all three of these ships when things went awry does not mean that Violet Jessup was the one who steered the Titanic into the iceberg. Lee Harvey Oswald was much the same type of person, but actually on a smaller scale. He was around secret military operations in Japan because he was a Marine during the Cold War. And honestly, the book, The Idol Warriors, really explains a little bit about the idea of what their lives were like and how you are on this covert base. But actually, because you're in its peacetime, it's fairly boring. They used to call them, I think it was called tube dupes. I forget the name, it was like scopedopes. That's what they were called.

The guys that worked radar at the Airborne Space. Scopedopes. Were they called? Scopedopes. Scopedopes. Cool. And he was in New Orleans whilst covert CIA Cold War operations were happening because he'd been born in New Orleans and he needed a place to escape to after the attempted assassination of a public figure. That's right.

I remember that when you drive into New Orleans, it says the birthplace of jazz. And Lee Harvey Oswald. But you know, I'm going to go on a limb here. This is my theory is that the same people that say that this is super woo-wee-woo, right? The fact that he is a part of all of these. I think the same people that get mad that when we talk about aliens or ghosts and say, oh, these are leaps in logic. We can't believe, like, you can't believe this. You're just saying that you're believing this.

You are putting faith in this. I think the same people that get mad about that are the same people that would take, very often, Umbridge saying that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't directed by various cladestine forces because he was involved in all of these different, weird, weirdly specific, all of the spook shit from the 60s. He was in it. He was up to his eyeballs in it. I think involved is a strong word. I mean, I don't think he was involved. I think he was around. He's like the biggest WWE fan in the world who got famous just sitting front row for like five years. But he's never been a wrestler.

But I am of those because I am a more woo-wee-woo person. I believe that there is not a real, there's not a coincidence that all of these things are around him. I think that, yes, he was a passive observer quite often and he was a small part, like he was a functionary, he was a pawn in a lot of these things. But I think because of that, as we'll see as we get deeper into the series, that it actually makes him the perfect, dare I say, Patsy. Whoa! Well, I mean, one of the main tenets of conspiracy thought is that coincidence doesn't exist. Yes. Even though history has proven again and again that coincidence can sometimes alter the course of the world. I call him Quinkie Dinks.

Of course, Quinkie Dinks are sometimes Quinkie Dinks. And when Quinkie Dinks happen, sometimes ships sink, presidents get, sometimes their heads just spontaneously explode. You're calling the assassination of JFK a Quinkie Dinks? That's the official Henry Zabrowski line? Yes. So two weeks after Oswald arrived in New Orleans, he found a job at the Riley Coffee Company greasing the machines making $1.50 an hour. And pretty soon, Marina arrived pregnant for the second time with their daughter, June, in tow. Henry, why did you smile when I said grease in the machines?

I just, coffees help me grease a lot of machines. Toilet machines. That's it, that's all I am. Yep. That's 401 episodes. Boom. But the life of a simple grease boy wasn't enough for Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh, come and give me a spanking on the grease boy. I'm done.

You say that when I turn 19, I'll become a grease man. Yes, you will. Legally. Pretty soon, Lee Harvey Oswald shifted his political beliefs into a new phase of activist politics, and Oswald decided to go all in with his support for Fidel Castro. Now, as we said, Oswald had become disillusioned with the Soviet system. And since he was always on the lookout for a place to belong where everyone would treat him as a special boy, he picked the communist state of Cuba as his new Never Never Land. He does understand that under communism, no one is special, right? I don't think he does.

But there's like some glaring misconceptions about communism. Well, he thinks he's going to be the special one in the environment where no one is special. So he thinks Fidel is just going to seed power and just be like, you take it, Lee. Well, he is just so special, Kessel. Right. He is so special that he will become special in a world of non-specials. And he viewed the USSR as because as they went closer to communism, he saw straight of like in person what it was like to live within the communist system. And he did not experience any of the weird freedoms that he thought he'd have intellectually or personally.

I don't know what he thought he would get out of it. But within Fidel Castro's version of whatever he's doing, he saw, well, this is now what a lot of people have tried to tout as a successful version of the Soviet state, which is they supposed to really help. But then we find out later on that, you know, that maybe it was not so. But I love that one, the search for sugar cane. And I love that. I love saxophone music. I love that too.

I just want the Vista Social Club. We could all take one-tenth of the confidence from Lee Harvey Oswald. Just a little injection of that, perhaps. So Oswald declared himself the founder and president of the New Orleans branch of the Fair Play for Cuba committee. How many people, how many members did it have? One. Oh, wow. That's all you need.

You are president. You are secretary. You are treasurer. You're the driver. You're the chef. You're everything. You're the most special member of the New Orleans branch of the Fair Play for Cuba. But hey, he started prittin' up pamphlets so he could recruit more members.

Okay. Now, the Fair Play for Cuba committee was an actual organization based out of New York City, whose purpose was to provide grassroots support for Fidel Castro here in the United States. Well, the frontline documentary said that Lee Harvey Oswald called up the Fair Play for Cuba committee and asked him, hey, can I start a New Orleans branch? And they said, apps are fucking lutely not. No. App, no.

Come on. You're not the face of the franchise. What? Do you want to start at Jersey Mike's? That's actually like way more within your talent sphere. But he did it anyway. You know, he just said, all right, well, I'll show them. I'll show them that I'm good enough to be.

He shot a proof of concept for them, essentially. Like, he's like, let me just do a pilot. I'll do a teaser. Uh-huh. You can see the flow. It must be weird having no one that wants you around at all ever. And that's the thing is that actually, they were right to not want them around because after everything came out about Lee Harvey Oswald following the assassination, it ruined

the Fair Play for Cuba committee. They had to shut down. The whole thing fucking ended just because Lee Harvey Oswald had declared himself to be a part of it. But you know there was one guy who was like, OK, guys, don't worry about it. I heard no press is bad press. Ah, turns out. There was one.

Ah. Dang it. Well, wasn't Fair Play for Cuba isn't the whole concept of let's give Castro a shot. Yeah. Well, Lee Harvey Oswald, when he decided to be the New Orleans president of the Fair Play for Cuba committee, completely gave his life over to this cause. He optimistically ordered 500 copies of a membership application. Oh, wow.

I do love he's like, yeah, we're taking applications. You don't just get in. No, no, no, no. He had to apply and he had to interview. Well, the funny thing is that he ordered 300 membership cards because he fully decided that 500 people were going to apply, but not everybody's going to get in. No, not to an exclusive club of one like that. And he also ordered up a thousand handbills.

After that, Cuba was all Oswald talked about, both to Marina and to what few friends they made in New Orleans, whom he regularly called bourgeois. You know those bourgeois that are hanging out with the Oswald family from Russia. Now, since Oswald was spending what little money they had on his imaginary club, there wasn't much left over for prenatal care when it came to the bun in Marina's oven. And Oswald was angry about it because they hadn't lived in New Orleans long enough for free care. It was because of this anger, Marina said, that Oswald expressed resentment specifically

towards John F. Kennedy for the first time, saying that Kennedy's father had bought him the presidency. The only thing that matters in this country is money. That's the only thing he used to scream. It's like money. You're going to have to have some kind of, you're going to have money to have a baby. You're going to have money to have food. You have to have money to have a carousel with your name on it.

I can't believe that there's no carousel here with the Lee Harvey Oswald commemorative carousel. I don't want nothing, but it's got to be nothing but snakes. The hardest animal to ride. Mr. Oswald, have you thought about getting a job and making some money? You're the funniest broad I've ever met in my life. Get a job. A job's got to get me.

Kissel, you're starting to sound a little bourgeois. I am not. I barely have a job. But at the same time, Oswald was solely focused on eventually escaping to Cuba, and he tried to use Marina to do it. See, Oswald figured that if he could get on his way to the USSR, he could just stop off in Cuba and stay there. Yeah, definitely.

Easy. That's got to be easy. We're in total, we just tried to invade them. You can totally just go hang out. Yeah. But I mean, honestly, he could have just gone down to Florida, chartered a boat and just gone to Cuba. It's 90 miles.

It would take him two hours. Okay. I don't know. All right. Money does make the world go round. So he had Marina write a letter to the Soviet embassy saying she wanted to return to Russia because she was homesick. And he had her ask for financial aid to bring along her husband, a former defector.

He tried pushing that defector angle again. Yeah. You know a guy you said no to, like many times, permanently, and then you cased him for years trying to see what you could do. You put him under surveillance and then you kicked him out of the country. Uh-huh. Don't you want him back? It's never good when the sweetheart name for your husband is deadweight.

Well, part of the reason for this begging was that Oswald had, again, gotten fired. Lost his job at Riley Coffee because, again, while he started off well, he eventually became lazy and would routinely wander off to the auto garage next door to talk guns with the owner. Cool. You just have to be like, you just got to grease the wheels. That's it. That's all you have to do.

You can talk about communism well covered in grease. As a matter of fact, that might make you feel closer to being a communist. But you go and you, because I don't even know what grease in the machines entails. I don't know if it's just straight up squirting butter into a bunch of gears. It doesn't seem like it doesn't take a lot of time necessarily of your day, like working hours. I feel like there is moments where it's like, as long as the machines are greased, you could talk about guns as much as you want.

Sure. Well, after he got fired, Oswald started collecting unemployment, which meant that he could devote himself to fair play for Cuba full time. Oh, the irony. Now concerning the FPC leaflets that Oswald distributed, they were all stamped with the address 544 Camp Street. Now we're going to fully explore this on our conspiracy episodes, specifically when we talk about the theories of Jim Garrison, but 544 Camp Street was the location of an office

belonging to an ex FBI agent and private detective with the almost too good to be true name of Guy Bannister. A Guy Bannister was involved in the training of Cuban exiles in the fight against Castro, which is a program sponsored by the CIA. And one of Bannister's brothers-in-arms was a former civil air patrol officer with alopecia named David Ferry. The most surprised looking man who's ever lived, if you look up David Ferry and see the pictures of the paste it on eyebrows that he has, he's famously played by Joe Pesci

in the JFK films and it's a wild look into our alopecia listeners. I think it's wonderful. How you love our alopecia listeners. Sure. You have a lot of them. I don't have anything against people with alopecia. Well you better not. Now interestingly, David Ferry had commanded the Dallas Civil Air Patrol when Oswald was

a member of the same service at the age of 15 and some conspiracy theorists say that David Ferry, Guy Bannister and another associate named Clay Shaw were Lee Harvey Oswald's links to the CIA. It had long been debated as to whether David Ferry and Lee Harvey Oswald even knew each other back in the Civil Air Patrol, but a photo from a cap barbecue in 1955 discovered just a few years ago had both Ferry and Oswald in the same frame. And laughing. It's true.

They were laughing at it. But all this proves as they went to the same barbecue. Well don't tell Oliver Stone that, he made an entire four hour movie surrounding this exact idea. But David Ferry also went on to say the problem is that David Ferry specifically said I've never met Lee Harvey Oswald, I never had any time with Lee Harvey Oswald and then you have a picture of them laughing, standing next to each other, with the same uniforms on, doing bullshit.

So again, if you are a conspiracy theorist that has been waiting, I hear you screaming at the party. I hear it coming through. We're going to get through all of this shit and those of you that are not conspiracy theorists are going to be just bored and sad, but the rest of us are going to get really, really hard for it. For those that haven't noticed at this point, we're structuring this series, giving the base truth first and then from there, we will go to the conspiracies.

But without the base story, then conspiracy loses its weight. These are the facts that we know vaguely for sure, if there is such a thing as facts. What is memory? Hey man. What is history but a story? Oh god. But supposing David Ferry and Lee Harvey Oswald did know each other, it isn't much of a stretch to think that Oswald and Ferry ran into each other in New Orleans because New Orleans is

a relatively small city and David Ferry was a highly recognizable human being. Going off that possibility, it's also not a stretch to think that Oswald was aware of the anti-communist activity happening at 544 Camp Street under the direction of David Ferry's associate Guy Bannister. And since we know that Oswald had the mindset of a modern day internet troll, it's not hard to imagine him printing 544 Camp as the New Orleans fair play for Cuba address just to be a dick. Don't know.

But admittedly, these are assumptions, not facts. It's just such a fucking massive coinky-doink that I don't, like, it just doesn't sit. It doesn't sit inside of me. It's just too coincidental that he would specifically choose this address. We'll get into this. We'll get into this. Well, that's if you assume that he picked this address out of a hat. That's if you assume that he just picked 544 Camp Street.

I think he knew about it. I really do think that this was Lee Harvey Oswald trolling Guy Bannister and David Ferry. OK, that's possible. Because if there was an actual connection to it, if they were actually CIA agents, why the fuck would he print their headquarters on a leaflet promoting communism? What's the reason behind that? What is the point? Hide and play inside.

Hide and play inside? But he's also a CIA agent. He's also an asset of the CIA. And now that's this whole other waters. These are worse waters. This is bad. These are Fartfield waters. Oh, these bubbles are horrible.

But let's just, the only thing we know for sure is they both love barbecue. That's all we know for now. That is actually true. That is all we know. When it comes to Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferry, they went to the same barbecue. That's great. Yes. And Lee Harvey Oswald did not attract a single recruit for the New Orleans chapter of Fair

Play for Cuba. You can just see him flipping through the papers. Rejected. Rejected. Rejected. No one even filled this out. Rejected. Rejected.

But that didn't stop him from telling Marina that he would be the prime minister of the United States within 20 years owing to his own special genius. That is a lot of conjecture in there. Yeah. You're saying like the whole system's going to flip, there's a lot of stuff to unpack and just saying I'm going to be the prime minister of the United States in 20 years. I'm going to be the pope of Canada within 30 years. I feel it.

But the only positive reinforcement Oswald got was a letter from the Information and Lecture Bureau of the United States Communist Party who congratulated Oswald on his work on behalf of Fair Play for Cuba. Now while this letter was well-meaning, it had the unfortunate effect of giving Lee Harvey Oswald encouragement and inflating his ego to the point where he felt important enough to try and infiltrate the enemy. Small potatoes. I don't just got big potatoes, I got sweet potatoes.

Oh my. These potatoes so sweet with some brown sugar on them. Maduros. Yes. That's where they become. So he initiated contact with a delegate for the New Orleans anti-Castro student directorate named Carlos Bringer and told him that he was willing to train Cubans in the fight against Castro and was even willing to go fight himself.

It's just so obnoxious because he did it in his style, which is he barged in the office. He's just like, I'm going to go and I'm going to fight Castro for you guys. I'm going to show you. And he came and he pulled out a Marines like handbook and he was just like, this is how you build booby traps. I'm going to cover everything in booby traps in the like and the guy was just like, it's like, I'm so glad you're here, sir. But I know you are how you say in American a door.

Oh man. But they literally were like, cool. Yeah. Thanks for, thanks for arriving here. And then he's just like, big potatoes, he is just living in this fantasy world that everyone else is just just shocked when they meet him. They're like, what is what? They're just what he thinks that everybody is waiting for a man like him.

And every time he thinks, okay, this is going to be the time that I am accepted. But you might have had an ulterior motive here because four days later, Bringer's friends came to the offices and told him, hey, there's a guy down on Canal Street that's handing out pro Castro leaflets next to a sign that said, Viva Fidel hands off Cuba. Wait a second, does he got a weird looking head that he talked about potatoes? Yes, he was screaming about potatoes. And it was Lee Harvey Oswald. No shit.

If you would have told me anyone else, I would have been stunned. But pretty soon, Bringer joined a growing crowd of ill-wishers who started pushing Oswald around and yelling that he should go back to Russia. But before things got too out of hand, the police showed up and arrested everyone involved. It is like the beginning of a Confederacy of Dances. It is. And he pulled a Richard Spencer a little bit where he apparently that guy shows up and they're pushing each other, pushing each other.

And then finally, he's like, because he's like, I'm going to punch him. I went to punch him. And then Lee Harvey Oswald puts his hands out, it's like, okay, yeah, come on. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me.

And he's just like, no, I do not want to. None of you want it. Because he was doing the thing where he was like, hit me, I'm going to make a whole thing and go like, oh, oh, oh, they're, they're hurting me, oh, like knowing that he was trying to flip it to be a martyr. And this is classic CIA, playing the two sides as classic CIA. Like this is all. I just don't think he's smart enough.

I don't know what he's doing. It's a thing that there, there are a couple of possible motivations here. See Lee Harvey Oswald had plenty of book smarts because when he talked about communism, like there are recordings of him talking about communism, socialism, Marxism, he actually sounds pretty eloquent. But as far as common sense goes, that's in short supply with Lee Harvey Oswald and Oswald might have seriously thought that he could infiltrate an anti Castro organization while continuing to very publicly support Fidel Castro thinking that no one was going to notice.

He literally was the president, head of the street team. He was the copy editor. He was the janitor of the fair play for Cuba committee. He was the entire committee. But the problem thought that being the public face of the thing that he could slip in and do both that he was just so fast. And so, but it's like, no, you wanted to be noticed. You went screaming into his office.

You did not. You were on the spy. You did the obvious. Right. You were a spore. You were something else. Has there ever been a sandwich board that unless there is a sandwich price on it has been anything but unuseful, like every time I see someone with a sandwich board and it's

not outside of a restaurant, it's never full of anything good. But it's also possible that Oswald created this entire situation specifically so he could stoke a conflict, gain publicity and become a martyr. Because if there's anything Lee Harvey Oswald loved, it was being a victim. So literally every morning Lee Harvey Oswald is like, like a net betting in American beauty where she wants to say, I'm going to sell the house today. He's just like going to get killed today. I will do it.

I will get killed today. Well, not a martyr like that. He's going to get killed. He's going to be a martyr of getting the shit beat out of him. There's something about the idea of being, which I think makes you a highly dangerous person. And there's something about that concept of being like, I'm going to gum up the gears today, buddy.

Everybody's going to know my name by the end of today because I'm still in an ice cream truck. I'm going to park it in the middle of the 405. That's all it takes to grind society to a halt. And I think that he was kind of maybe a student a little bit of the Marxist version of like accelerationism, like the idea of build up the conflict. So then the whole thing explodes and then see where everything is at the end. Yeah.

Mr. Oswald, you were supposed to grease up the machines and you have purposely gummed them up. So we're going to have to let you go. I switched the grease for peanut butter and that's why they call me jelly boy. That's a different nickname for you. Well New Orleans had a huge Cuban exile community. And there really wasn't much that was more provocative in New Orleans at this time than publicly declaring your support for Castro.

He knew he was going to get a reaction from somebody. And just to clarify that point wholeheartedly, if you want to know someone who hates Castro Cubans, Cubans, that's when Obama began to sort of negotiate with the Cubans a little bit more. And he angered Floridians quite a bit because people who lived under Castro despise the man. But no matter his motivations, once Oswald got in the box with the police, secret agent mode kicked in.

He lied about his address and said that fair play for Cuba had 35 members that met monthly. It's not even a high number. He could have said a thousand. He could have said anything. 35. Keep it humble, keep it humble. He then asked to be interviewed by an FBI agent. And turned out an FBI agent named Quigley had a little bit of extra time.

So he said all right fuck I'll come in and talk to him. So over the course of an hour and a half, Oswald embellished even more. Saying that the FPC New Orleans branch was actually run by Alec Hedell. Which is of course Lee Harvey Oswald's alias. I don't know why he did this. I don't know why he brought in the FBI. I don't know why he told them that Alec Hedell was the, it's just, it just seems like more fantasy making.

Right. He asked to be fingerprinted. He wanted his mug shot taken. He wanted all of these things to be recorded. But this is totally a counter to being a spy. But he is also, he is, and it's not conjecture, he is actively being watched by the CIA during this period of time. They are, they have tabs on him.

They are watching him. Him coming to do this kind of stuff, again, there's just something about being a vector of chaos that makes you, I think that for the covert world, you're really valuable. I think that somebody that just is a walk in smoke screen all the time is very, very powerful. We're seeing it right now, very publicly with our president, honestly. We're seeing somebody who's, who can sew all this dissemination, all this kind of stuff, all this, all this fucking conflict.

It's a really good person to kind of be like, all right, you take the spotlight now. Now you're, now we're ready for this. You're ready for fucking prime time. Yeah. He's a good show, I suppose. Possibly. I don't know. Or he's just a fucking moron.

Is he literally just a, an absolute moron that is trying to magically think himself into being a spy? Well, it could also be that Oswald was looking for publicity in order to get more members for fair play for Cuba. That makes sense. He wants to get those numbers up to 36. Because after he pled guilty to disturbing the peace and after he was fined $10, he found that his actions were covered in the local news.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get charged with disturbing the peace in New Orleans? It never stops going. Like what do you have to do other than scream how you love Castro? Yeah. I mean, he may have orchestrated this entire thing just as a publicity stunt to get himself attention. That's maybe, that's also another possibility.

After getting on TV, Oswald planned a fair play for Cuba demonstration and offered $2 to anyone who would help him pass out leaflets. You know what? Got two people. That's four bucks. He just technically increased the membership of fair play for Cuba 200%. Wow. Now Oswald was absolutely fucking ecstatic at this point.

He had two people working for him and the local news was paying attention to him. And the demonstration along with more local TV coverage gave Oswald a high enough profile to be interviewed as the local communist on the New Orleans radio station. That is a dream come true. To be the punchline for local radio DJs. But he didn't think that was going to be the case. He thought that they were going to be so interested to hear about his frame of mind. They were going to be so invested.

There's no way they would deeply roast him. I feel like Bob and Tom just really get me in the mornings. I don't know why. I just like Bob and Tom. Well this was serious radio. This was like these are actual newsmen that are producing news programs. No, no, this is not Beaver and the Bear in the morning. Well what you say that is if there's anything remotely close to wrong with Beaver and the

Bear in the morning. There is absolutely nothing. I love getting the let out. So Oswald's 37 minute interview was edited down to a four and a half minute long segment of Lee Harvey Oswald breaking down the differences between Marxism, Socialism and Communism. And as I said he was admittedly eloquent when he spoke about these topics. He didn't sound like an idiot. He actually sounded like he knew what he was talking about.

But following that Oswald was brought back to the station for a debate with his former friend Carlos Bringer. And this debate was about Fidel Castro and Communism and the radio station had done its homework on Lee Harvey Oswald in the interim. This is a classic producer setup. Oh yeah. Yes. See Oswald had always been extremely loud about his attempt at defection to Russia.

And at least a couple of newspapers had eventually spoken to him about the attempt since he got back. In addition to that Oswald's dishonorable discharge from the Marines was also a matter of public record. So those two little factoids about Lee Harvey Oswald were used to present him as a liar, a communist and a traitor to his country. Here is a clip of Oswald wriggling like a worm on a fucking hook when the host asked him how he supported himself while living in the Soviet Union.

When Oswald had no idea that his time in the Soviet Union was even going to be brought up. Did you have a government subsidy? Well as I, well I will answer that question directly then since you will not rest until you get your answer. I worked in Russia. I was under the protection of the, of the, that is to say I was not under the protection of the American government but that is I was at all times considered an American citizen.

I did not lose my American citizenship. Did you say you wanted to at one point though or at what happened? Well it's a long drawn out situation which permission to live in the Soviet Union granted to a foreign resident is very rarely given. This requires a certain amount of technicalities, technical papers and so forth. At no time as I say was I, did I renounce my citizenship or attempt to renounce my citizenship and at no time was I out of contact or with the American embassy. That is the audible description of Flopswet.

If you, if you needed to hear what Flopswet sounds like, bullshit. Oh my God, you can just hear his feet squeaking under all the water coming from his brow. Well, after that Oswald fell apart because he, the rest of the interview is just him getting ripped to fucking shreds. It wasn't even that difficult of a question. I don't understand why he couldn't answer it. Well because he's lying, he did renounce his American citizenship. He was specifically anti-America.

That's the reason why he went to Russia in the first place. He defected. He was saying fuck you to America to leave. So now he is trying to softball answer the question because he's got his scopes on it. The budget people saying, so you're saying fuck America? Yeah. So you're saying you telling America to go fuck yourself? And he's just like, I told America to go love itself.

I feel that America needs more self-love and that's where I'm coming from. But didn't they just, why didn't he just be loud and proud and anti-American? That's his whole brand. I just don't, he didn't have, he was not thinking about it. He's a pussy, Kissel, because he's a fucking, he couldn't do it. He doesn't have a lot of spine. Okay. Now, he'd suffered an extremely public humiliation and Marina said that following the debate,

he became even more disconnected from reality than he'd been before. She said he would sit on their front porch for hours, opening and closing the bolt on his rifle, aiming it at imaginary targets in the dark and dry firing the gun while thinking about God knows what. I don't know how to, because it is sort of like, again, if all of this didn't lead to him assassinating the president, it would be this weird kind of vaguely dangerous emo freak out. Yeah.

Where he just started roaming the streets at night. Yeah. Also started going to target practice. He'd hide his rifle underneath this big dark raincoat, which he would wear even on the hottest of New Orleans summer nights. And Marina asked him why he was doing this. He said he was preparing to leave for Cuba and was thinking about hijacking a plane to get there.

But I tell you this right now, Maria, and I'm not even going to try to hijack that plane. You know what I'm going to do? I'm on my way to the plane's going, I'm going to grab one of the wheels, and I'm just going to go up there on my own. I'm just going to fly up in the air because clouds are communist and they're going to protect me up there. So you're just going to, you're going to, maybe I could just buy a plane ticket. Yeah.

Why don't you just try to get a plane ticket, not grab one. I'm not outside with my best friend, Gun. This gun is the only one who gets me. It's a clever name for your gun. Gun is just the name of the gun. He's a simple, he's a simple gun. He's a simple boy. And what he did seriously consider the hijacking plan.

He started studying airline schedules and he would physically train for days, running around their apartment in his underwear, practicing leaps because he thought leaping would be a necessary skill to hijack a plane. Oh, small potatoes, small potatoes, touch the ceiling fan. Just in his tidy whitey. Small potatoes. Do this. You know, you know, it's kind of fun when you kind of put your hands on a table and

kind of kick your legs up in the air. Up. Do this. Do this. Warrior three. Oh, I'm doing warrior three. Wow. Strangely though, Oswald actually became less violent after the public humiliation he suffered

on the radio. In fact, after he kind of abandoned the hijacking idea, Oswald seemed excited about their second child whom he suggested they name Fidel. Clever name. Very clever name. With any luck, it'll come out fully bearded. My worst man, that'd be so weird, but it's just all placenta. My worst bully was named Fidel.

There was a Fidel in Texas? There was a Fidel in Texas. He used to headbutt me in the lunch room, and one time he picked me up and spiked me down on the ground so hard he broke my collarbone. Well, he's a funny guy, but why Fidel, that's a strange name for anywhere, but especially Texas. Very strange name. No, Fidel.

Was Fidel one of the guys, was Fidel one of the guys who farted on you? No, Fidel was strictly physical violence. See? So the fart guys were the nice guys. Well Oswald seemed to calm down for a bit, even if he did act in a somewhat eccentric manner. Near the end of his tenure in New Orleans, Oswald would sit around the house naked all day long and very hot, and he would spend his evenings on the porch screwing around

with his rifle or reading spy novels. But there might have been a reason for Oswald's sudden change in personality. During that time, an assistant district attorney claimed that Oswald came into his office extolling the virtues of LSD, asking if it was legal to import, meaning Oswald might have briefly been expanding his mind. Or he wanted to get back to the mind expansion of his times at the super secret YouTube base in Japan. Well, then wouldn't he just get the LSD?

Why would he need to go somewhere and be like, is it legal to ship LSD? Why was this man so dumb? What happened? He just, he just like, he just was, I think the term the kids are using is extra. He's super extra. He wanted you to know what he was doing at all times and always be whatever is the most contrary. But honestly, sitting in a porch naked with nothing but sandals on, playing with a gun

is actually fun acid activity. Yeah. I mean, if you're listening to Jimmy Buffett, not Carl Marx. On September 7th, Lee Harvey Oswald was possibly brought back to his old ways of thinking by an interview given by Fidel Castro. Although this is again, this is speculation. Although Oswald's actions at this time do suggest a cause and effect here. In that interview, Castro ripped John F. Kennedy and claimed that the CIA was trying to kill

him, which they absolutely were. Why do all these cigars keep on exploding? Think about that. We couldn't just go bomb him. They wanted to put bombs inside of cats to explode him. Yeah. The CIA tried to kill Castro so many times, the subject has its own Wikipedia page. That they did not do a good job.

No. No. They only tried to kill Castro eight times between 1960 and 1965. A former Cuban intelligence chief puts the number at 638 attempts between Eisenhower and Clinton. Why? Reagan's got the top. He's got the most.

They didn't want him dead. They really did. They didn't really want him dead. They could have. They were invoicing ours. That's what this sounds like. This is just a reason for an invoice because you're like, because couldn't we just send shock troops?

Yeah. Can't you just snipe him from Florida? Well, they tried poisoning cigars with Bob Chilism. They tried that. Of course, they exploding cigars. They tried recruiting ex-lovers to slip poison pills. Apparently during that time, the woman went in. She got back into Cuba.

She got into Fidel Castro's room and she had the poison pills. He discovered the plot, so he handed her a gun and said, shoot me, fucking shoot me right now. There you go. Did it work and it happened? Did not happen. She didn't do it. She didn't even do it.

The CIA is not the most, the CIA is, I don't, after watching the spy masters on Hulu, I no longer, I mean, they are not innocent. They are not. No, of course not. I'm not going to go ahead and say that they had positive or like altruistic motives here, but honestly, dudes, like just fucking explode it, just blow them up if we're going to do this shit. And that is a good reminder.

The FBI and the CIA, even in the context of the life that we're living in now, these are not too innocent, these are not too innocent agencies. No. The CIA has been a part of some of the worst things in human history. Absolutely. Fucking no. Don't lose sight of that. That's all I'm saying.

Don't lose sight and don't think that we're fucking, you know, blow in the CIA just because we're saying that Lee Harvey, or just because I'm saying Lee Harvey Oswald was not a part of a CIA plot to kill the president. The CIA has done some real evil bad shit over the years. You do get the feeling though, why didn't one CIA agent just be like, so what if we shoot him? And they're like, that's a really good idea. Agent Reynolds.

What's your idea? What if, what if I ate poison and then we get a, what if we made, we find a fetal field and listen. Okay. Okay. Listen. All right. Yeah.

You eat poison. Yeah. We get your shit. Yes. For beating the poison after you die, right? Yes. The girl with no top on over there for his birthday party. He eats the cake.

Shit cake. It's a shit. Yeah. Here we got him. So again, why don't we just go shoot him? Shut up. You're an idiot. We don't just shoot him.

You're boring. You don't. It's not fun. I, but they did try the more like mundane methods of assassination. It just never worked out. Is there a possibility at all this is just R&D that they're literally just doing these things is almost as an excuse to see what we can do or your own cause now I get into the reading about this case fucking hurts my brain because then there's the double double

things where they come up with these ludicrous ways of killing Castro as the sort of way to trump up of seeing like, see how clever we are like on a public scale where we're, it's like these phantom patents that are being done by covert operations right now where they're, they're doing theoretical patents for UFO technology that we don't have yet. But almost in a way it's, it's, it's kind of like a, it's this, it's this fucking in a riddle inside of enigma. The outside is supposed to also be confusing. Like all of these attempts are supposed to be confusing, but on the inside we're doing

something even more direct or whatever. Hear me out. Infinity stones. Maybe that'll do it. Well, the thing about Cuba is that Cuba is a very small country and it's hard to get close to Fidel Castro. Like in Cuba, like I know there were agents that tried to get in and try to get close to Castro, but everybody knows everybody.

So they were able to fucking see this person be like, oh, I don't know you, you can't get close to Castro. The thing with Fidel is every time I get close, he pushes me away, but I have tried. I have tried to get close to him. And so in the 1963 interview that Fidel Castro gave, he boldly stated that two could play the assassination game. And about three weeks later, Oswald and Marina left New Orleans for Texas so Oswald could take a trip to Mexico to beg his way into Cuba.

The Oswald wanted to be an active guerrilla fighting the forces of imperialist capitalism on the ground. And he began to think, possibly inspired by Castro's speech, that violence was the only effective tool in the fight for international communism. He got all of this. He got the gun with the coupon. He can't take capitalism that much. Yeah, exactly.

You got a deal. Now again, Oswald's time in Mexico is hotly debated with some claimant that Oswald never even went to Mexico. But there are not only witnesses that place Oswald in Mexico two months before the assassination JFK, but there's also paperwork to back it up. On September 25th, Oswald cashed his unemployment check and took the boss down to Mexico, bragging to his fellow passengers that he was the secretary of the New Orleans branch of Fairplay for Cuba.

And he was on his way to see Castro. He didn't even make himself the president. I tell you what, you should meet the president. You should meet the president because he's so tall, he's so sexy, and oh man, he kisses so good, and oh man, it's just so nice, the kind of, oh, you should have his gumbo. Why is that disgusting when you say it, Henry? You have some of my gumbo. But along the way, Oswald would usually eat alone.

And because he didn't know Spanish, he usually ended up with full meals instead of appropriate roadside snacks, because he was just pointing the menus and fully eating whatever was given to him. Honestly. I'll eat this, ma'am. I'll eat this. All right. What's the English word for taco?

What's the English word for empanada? I'm going to have that. You bringing me dessert? Is this costing me extra money? What are you doing to me? I'm not just some eating machine. Oh man, he's living the dream. But he kept eating full ass meals.

He spent all of his money. Going down to Mexico, eating huge meals, because he just couldn't say, like, those tacos. He literally was just pointing at menus, and then when the dessert and drinks were included, they'd bring them. He'd be like, get this away from my table. I didn't pay for this. And they were all, like, trying to say, no, this is free.

This comes with your meal, and he would shoo them away from him. Oh, God. And so when they got to Mexico, Oswald was predictably surly. They had a big full belly, and it had a very frustrating trip. I'm stuffed full of guac, and none of it's going anywhere. I tell you what, and I honestly could have used some smaller potatoes, and some of those meals. Upon his arrival, Oswald checked into a hotel and went to the Cuban Embassy to obtain a

visa to Cuba, saying he only wanted to visit on his way to the Soviet Union. Of course, he figured once he got to Cuba, he'd talk to the right people, they'd hand him a gun, and that would be it. Of course. That's it. That's it. I'm the guy. They knew that.

They knew that from the beginning. So easy. Easier than cooking a pizza. I know it. But unlike his previous trip, he was told that it would take weeks for proper authorization, because this was after the world had almost been blown up in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Cuba was a hard spot for an American to get to. You would have just been treated so horribly if you went to Cuba.

Man, this man is delusional and insane. So since Oswald only had a few days left on his Mexican tourist visa, he walked over to the Soviet Embassy to see if they could help him out. And since this was Mexico, next door to the US, the Soviet Embassy was staffed completely by KGB agents. And these agents immediately saw Oswald as mentally unstable, and they weren't any more interested in his quote-unquote secrets than the KGB was the first time he tried. So they diplomatically told him to come back the next day so they could double check with

headquarters to make sure this guy was worthless. As a matter of fact, we're going to triple double check, so don't think this is not dog shit. We're not lying to you. We're going to quadruple double check to triple double check as well. But let us do something we don't normally do for the KGB. It is a pinky swear. When Oswald returned, they told him that it would take four months for his visa to be

granted from Mexico through Cuba, which is about as good as telling him to fuck off forever. Now Oswald completely lost it at the Embassy, reportedly saying quote, This won't do it for me, this is not my case, for me, it is all going to end in tragedy. See what Oswald told him was that the FBI was after him, and he was trying to escape persecution, trying to make himself sound important. The FBI was watching him, but they were not after him. Also, if you're the KGB, you're just like, oh so you could just bring us a whole bunch of fucking headaches?

Get out of here. Literally you are being, because this whole block is being watched by the CIA, this whole thing. You're just bringing heat in here? The agents did indeed say that Oswald looked highly anxious, and when he pleaded with them again, he was hysterical and sobbing, saying quote, I am afraid, I am afraid they'll kill me, let me in please, please. Oh, I'm sorry Mr. Oswald, we don't let bitches into Russia, yeah, you were going to make

it though, I'm sorry. Then he pulled out his 38 special and waved it around in the air while he was crying, saying that this is what I got to carry to protect my life, I got to carry it, I have to. How do you look weak while waving a gun? Of course the agents just fucking grab the gun from him. The way these KGB agents broke this down too, it's the same sort of nonchalant way, the CIA always talks about their bullshit as well, where they were just super cool and casual,

it obviously could not have affected them at all, they did not give a shit, so Oswald, he comes in and he is very emotional and he's making this bitch, he pulls out the gun and he says I have gone and so I just, I'd take it from him, but it's literally the way they talk about it, he was pointed back and forth and they said stop and then calmly took the gun away from him, just being like do you need tea or something, do you need tissue, you are crying in a way that makes me want to grot you, I want to fucking kill you. After that the undercover KGB agents told him there's no way in hell, you're ever gonna get a visa, so he went back to the Cuban embassy to try them one more time.

And they too politely declined. And so on October 2nd, Oswald paid his hotel bill and took a bus back to Dallas. Oh man, so here's your bill, it's $80 Mr. Oswald and $5,000 in room service, you just never said no. I don't want all this food, I've had so many chips and the water's making me poop and now the poop is coming out and the food's gonna go in faster. Concerning the question of whether Oswald was really in Mexico or not, the three KGB agents confirmed that they spoke with him, but it's the KGB, so take that as you will.

But paperwork wise, Oswald's confirmed signature was on the visa application and his photo was taken down there in Mexico, plus his expert verified signature was recorded at the registry at the hotel, which all strongly suggests that yes, he was in Mexico during this time. The CIA was naturally surveilling the Russian embassy in Mexico, taking photos of everyone coming and going. That means that they should have gotten photos of Oswald going in and coming out, but the CIA claims that their cameras weren't working on the day that Oswald went to the embassy. And that's why they don't have photographic evidence of Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico.

Epstein didn't kill himself. It's another, again, but that's also, again, coming from the CIA. So their cameras just weren't working that day. They just didn't have cameras on the Russian embassy that day. They didn't get new other cameras in there. No one was taking pictures that day, so it was a no-picture day. Could it be that the CIA is trying to hide their knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald because they spent countless hours and dollars trying to prevent something like the assassination

from happening and utterly failed because they didn't take Oswald seriously? That's one. Or is the CIA trying to cover up something different entirely? Did the CIA know that Oswald was an extremely dangerous person? Are those classified documents about Oswald hiding information that pegged Oswald as a clear and present danger? And if that is the case, then why is the CIA hiding those documents? Why are you hiding the documents?

God, and this begs the question, who shot JR? I love that show, Dallas. Well those questions and more will, of course, be answered, or at the very least examined, on later episodes. Well they definitely released a picture, because you remember also after this, they said the cameras weren't working, and then they said, actually, no, we do have a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald. And then it was a picture of someone who obviously was not Lee Harvey Oswald.

That was what was sent to the Warren Commission. So they are actively covering up something. Then there's witnesses inside of the CIA that said that they saw pictures of Harvey Oswald, one of him in profile, one of him outside of the actual, like, waiting to get inside of the embassy, and apparently they were purposefully destroyed for some reason. Like he wasn't one of the most nefarious criminals in U.S. history, they just kind of casually destroyed those pictures of him, because we wouldn't be interested in that. But to be fair, at this point, he is still a nothing.

He's still a nothing. He's on the radar. He's still a nothing. There's a lot of people on the CIA radar. They're very, they were, the 60s counterculture was entirely the CIA. So after being rejected by two different communist countries, Oswald returned to Dallas, ashamed, angry, and bitter, and he filed for unemployment while he searched for a steady job. Yes, I hate this country, but I will take the unemployment.

Reminds me when I worked with the libertarians for that brief moment, and the person took every single free thing the city offered. He had it around his neck, like the free MTA, the free taxi, and I was like, why do you do that? He's like, they're offering it. It's like, well. After a failed job interview, Oswald finally contacted his wife, who had fully expected the next call from her husband to be from Cuba, instead, Lee Harvey Oswald was calling

from the YMCA. Damn it, she thought she got rid of him. I know. He complained again about how unfairly he'd been treated, and Marina said he never brought up Cuba or Fidel Castro ever again. Now Marina had been staying with a friend named Ruth Payne, and Marina mentioned that her husband needed steady work. And so Ruth Payne helped out Lee Harvey Oswald.

And on October 16th, about six weeks before JFK's visit to Dallas, Oswald began his new job at the Texas School Book Depository overlooking Dealey Plaza. And that's where we'll pick back up for JFK Part 3. All right, there it is, JFK Part 2. Thank you all so much for listening. This is, who knew Lee Harvey Oswald, his story, I mean this is two parts now on Lee Harvey Oswald alone. Yeah.

It's a fascinating tale. Yeah. And it's very complicated, of course. Of course. Absolutely. And I really appreciate our deep dive on this, because again, I did not know a heck of a lot about just Lee Harvey Oswald when we started, and I like building this case as we go. Again, these are just the facts as we know them, but I have bought some books.

Uh-oh. For the latter half of this series that, I mean, I mean, Nat just straight up said it, because I think people joke about being on lists for various things. And I think that this controversy has gotten on so long that, I mean, it's got, it's lost some of its heat. So I don't know if necessarily, just because I'm looking deep into the connections between JFK and the secret space program that I won't get audited this year, I feel like nowhere passed it.

Well, I guess the main question here is, Henry. How much is the mailman winking at you when he delivers the books? Is he just like, Oh, okay. Yeah, we got this. We got this. Yeah. He's like another truth warrior. I see.

It's nice to have that community. All right, everyone. Well, thank you all so much for listening to the last podcast on the left. We really appreciate it as always. We have a bunch of dates coming up in April. We are super excited to see everyone on the road. Also I have my documentary showings in March. So if you have a chance, go to my Instagram at Ben kissle one or my Twitter at Ben kissle

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Thank you very much for those kind words. I appreciate that. Well, it really is a monumental success of what you've done, Marcus, and we have written on those coattails. Woo. Yes. Yes. Get you a friend with strong coattails folks.

That's what life is all about. You can pre-order the book on BarnesandNoble.com. You can get a signed copy there, but you can also pre-order your book from your local books seller. And I also want to thank, speaking of local book sellers, I want to thank Midtown Scholar over in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania for sending us a fantastic treasure trove of books as they do about once a year. So yeah, if you're around, if you're ever around Midtown Scholar, go and check that

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to get. I mean, it was all about how the CIA helps like kill the sixties counterculture and stuff like that. But you know, are there, there are books in their earmark for me too, right? Yes. I got to see some of them. Yes. Yeah, they gave you the alien ones.

No, yeah, boy. Yeah, that's what I like. I can't, this will be fun, but we will get back into some weirdness this year and I'm very, very excited. Hey Henry, I just realized I want to congratulate you for not mentioning Dune. This is the first show where you have not mentioned Dune, I want to say in five months and I'm just happy you're almost done with the series. Only fools prefer the past.

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