Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 408: The Yorkshire Ripper Part II - The Chorlton Glumpers

Episode Date: April 25, 2020

On the conclusion to our series on the Yorkshire Ripper, we horrific continuance of Peter Sutcliffe's murder spree all the way to the end, as well as how the investigation into his crimes failed again and again and again.  Night Vigil by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/5746-night-vigilLicense: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

There's no place to escape to this is the last talk on the left That's when the cannibalism started You know nothing John smooth What that's what I was told to look at to understand a Yorkshire accent yours, you know nothing John No, I just remember heard nude body. Yeah from Game of Thrones So I don't remember really anything else from that scene, but I remember you know, no John

No, how is that supposed to sound like the accent? No, nothing bond Well the character had a Yorkshire accent in the show no kid and then people coming up to me all day He's like, oh, you fall for me if after me you can't figure out your accent You can't figure out yeah, because I'll be trucked to bits. Yeah, I'll figure out your old side truth I can be true to bits. Oh, man I'm just alienating everyone. I know it's a small part of England to alienate sure just fucking you are saying because how many Messages I got people like it's easy. It's easy to do your

Excellent and I was like, no, it's not obviously not because I can't fucking do it No, it's three accents all mushed together. Well either way. We love them Welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone. I am bad looking at Marcus and of course we have a wonderful Henry Zabrowski over there in sunny Los Angeles. Don't you wish I had talent? Yes You don't think that I don't wish that I had talent that I could sit in good and Daniel Day-Lewis's thing and piece the accent together Because I watched all the tapes and made all the sounds Choo-f-t zoom le-oo right lo-i-k No, not like is that that wasn't in there. No

Chooft is in there. You know, I actually it's kind of interesting editor I don't want to put Marcus and I on blast here But it's kind of nice that you've sort of not had so much success because then we got you And then now you have to stay with us Yeah, we got you right as like your head was bobbing just above water and we reached up and pulled you back down Hold you back down with all the other fishes water's fine. I love me down here me man. It's like hanging out with Ariel She is sick of me. She's not going anywhere near me Right of my little Caribbean friend crab friend because he goes and he picks all the little bits of shit out of my butt hairs

Honestly, dude, I would hang out. I would I would hang out with what's the name of the Ursula Ursula? Oh, yeah, I bet I bet you would honestly. I bet y'all fuck Dude, I don't even care. Whatever she wants to do Ursula if she is your friend How much fun is that a lot of how much fun is that I would much rather be my friend than my enemy? Absolutely Me night her Naomi Campbell You don't want to get in her bad side. Absolutely not. All right. Well, we are on to part two Uh, it's Yorkshire. I know that I got that right. We are talking the Yorkshire Ripper So when we last left Peter Sutcliffe, he was nearly halfway through a 13 murder killing spree

He just murdered his first victim who wasn't in the sex work business on June 26th 1977 which brought the attention of the entire UK to West Yorkshire. I mean honestly to be fair He's not he can't be halfway through a 13 person serial killer because you can't kill 0.5 of a person. Yeah, it's called a tempted murder. Oh Never mind, I don't know. I think I have a person technically counts as like the towel boy for a XFL team Now as we said on the last episode the investigation into the Yorkshire Ripper murders was a disaster from beginning to end But this was not a case of incompetence by way of indifference as it often is when sex workers are involved Rather the Yorkshire Ripper investigation failed because they tried to do too much. Oh, that's my whole thing Oh, I always I care too much. I try too hard. I work too hard

Interesting. Now, of course, they also had some very distinct Disadvantages when it came to solving these murders. First of all solving a serial killing is by far the hardest murder a homicide detective can catch Because as we know most murders are committed by someone with a tangible connection to the victim Mm-hmm, and you have to get the police department to believe and And a set a set of parameters saying yes, we have decided it is a serial killing It's hard to figure out that it's a serial killing that there's That there's not multiple people and also it sends the public into a bit of what you'd call whole-scale

Mania right when you say that there is a serial killer on the loose and you have to be very careful with your messaging Yeah, I guess I suppose and second the murder of a sex worker is even more difficult to solve Because clients who might have been witnesses to who their chosen partner might have gone with next They don't come forward out of fear that their illicit dalliances might be made public. Yeah, that's the massive problem That's why we got to do what? That's why I think we should replace this may be a good thing to know for a new a bump for the USPS What we do is you can get it's it. Yeah, it's a mailbox, but also it's a glory hole You get some of our more willing postal service people to go inside that glory hole and just accept whatever comes in

Sure the number one drug dealers in the country. The United States Postal Service. Thank you for your service. They are And in addition to all that whether it be in the UK or America There is very rarely pressure from the public to solve the murder of a sex worker So they tend to fall pretty low on the priorities list and very rarely get the resources necessary to solve their murders Yeah, it's because everyone in power is just like When do you went missing? I don't even know her. I don't know. I mean while like Wendy's been fucking just sitting on his ass with the fucking spoon up his hole And he's just going like oh, yeah, the nuclear weapons codes

Just spilling his guts But in the case of the Yorkshire repper that all changed with Jane McDonald After her murder the head of the CID in West Yorkshire a man named George old field Took lead on the case and supervised the entire kerfuffle for the next few years Now George old field was not some doddering old police detective bungling his way through the investigation Just a year before being assigned to the Yorkshire repper case Old field had solved an IRA bus bombing that had killed 12 people on a motorway Damn, this was when shit was serious. Yeah, man in the UK

But when it came to solving a serial murder case Old field was totally and completely out of his depth See old field had a bit of a drinking problem as well as a temper and that was in addition to a strange addiction Took off syrup. So he was Lloyd Bridges from airplane I mean, so he's robo-tripping. Yeah hammered. I could see him stumbling upon a solution to this crime I feel of all the drugs that you could be addicted to as a cop Cough syrup it's got to be the one that makes your job the hardest cuz cocaine can really zoot it up Right, you look at watch to rewatch the movie bad Lieutenant Porter called New Orleans, right Nick Cage incredible in it

But you could see yeah, you're kind of tired from drinking all night You need a little bump to get into the homicide in Michigan totally get I think that's actually kind of cool I think it's actually very smart, especially if you've been drinking all night sure, but if you're taking cough syrup You're seeing a lot of trails. Yeah, that's very difficult for evidence So feel like then you're seeing multiple things Henry. What's so interesting is you just proved yourself wrong What do cops need to find a serial killer? You need a trail? So you see you can just start following everyone that you see a trail with mm-hmm I mean next thing, you know, you're just screaming at a nurse, but

It could be a serial killer as well time dilation from outer worlds But it's in a fucking bottle dude. That's fucking fun as hell honestly. I'm with kissle now actually The thing is about this case is that it needed someone clear-headed and laser focused. Oh, you needed a good detective. Yeah Well, you needed someone to oversee this whole thing It was a gigantic undertaking and the metastasizing scope of the investigation was far beyond George Oldfield's abilities Watching for like it's like four nans that whose jobs are normally their boyal and sheets and they're stripping fish But now they're inside of a police station with piles of physical piles of Piles of files just all over places. No computers. Everything's written with a fucking quill and it's all

It's all put everywhere and no one seems to be choked about the job of organizing the information But you ever meet one of those hoarders who will be like, oh, yeah I remember that piece of paper from 1974 and they shuffle through everything and they pull it out Mm-hmm. Maybe it was like that. No, no, Nan was not doing that No, not Nan was remembering the blitz. That's what she talked about. It's like, oh, you remember the blitz And you're like, no, Nan fucking to where is my fingerprint? Shit, where's all my fingerprints? So by the time Peter Sutcliffe decided to attack again in the summer of 1977 the police were nowhere near catching him although they would come

Infuriatingly close almost a dozen times over the next few years What was even more maddening was the fact that Peter Sutcliffe kept leaving potential murder victims alive and yet This still did almost nothing to help investigators even when one of those survivors finally got a good look at her would-be killer's face On July 9th, 1977 Peter picked up sex worker Maureen Long at 2 a.m They drove to a vacant lot and Peter struck her in the head with a claw hammer while she crouched to urinate That should be serial killer law He should never be able to kill someone when they're going to the bathroom That's right. He's on a safe zone. He then ripped her dress and stabbed her in the stomach chest and back over and over again

Using the same knife. He'd used in the murder of Jane McDonald Sure, she was dead Peter then drove off, but Maureen Long survived She's like the night from that from oh my god. What is the night? Monty Python. Oh, does that what remind you of? Is that what it does? Oh, tis but the flesh wound? Good Lord Now when Maureen did a photo fit on her attacker She got most of Peter's stronger features correct like what his eyes looked like his fucking weird facial hair and the general shape of his face But in the details, she couldn't have been more wrong, which again made things difficult for the cops She said that her attacker was in his late 30s and over six feet tall with curly blonde hair driving a white Ford Cortina

Okay, and she thought she saw Johnny winter. Oh, but it is extremely difficult to judge the age of someone It is very difficult. Yeah, and of course, she'd also been blattered in the head with a fucking hammer Right. I mean, it's amazing. She remembered as much as she did, but Peter Sutcliffe was in his early 30s He was about Henry's height just a tiny bit taller than 55 No, a good normal. He was five seven five seven, which is still below average. I don't care I know that but it's normal In its way, it is normal and Peter Sutcliffe had wiry jet black hair Remember it looked like a big fucking hedge sitting on a head

They did drive a white Ford, but it was a Corsair not a Cortina. Oh my god Who cares about these details? It's very important when you're looking for the killer. They've got to be right I know but she was so close. She was very I'm so much. Yeah Yeah, but close only counts and fucking the horseshoes and assholes these grenades hand grenades But she's taking a squat to piss. So she's looking up. She can't tell if he's five seven or seven feet tall No, she had gotten there, but she had gone to this location with him. She wasn't being I don't assume somebody's taller just because I'm laying on the ground Because I'm laying down and like I'm like I'm in a ditch if you asked Wendy how tall you are she would just say

Empire State Building. Yes. Yes. I am the biggest thing. She's ever seen. I'm the biggest man. She knows Well, these as soon as George Oldfield announced that she saw a white Cortina at the press conference It didn't matter anyway because Sutcliffe stripped his white Corsair for parts and he bought a red one He switched it out George Oldfield should not have said we're looking for a guy to fucking white Cortina I pulled the old Diane Feinstein with Ramirez's shoes. Mm-hmm. Yep Maureen was so unsure of Peter's overall appearance that she didn't even recognize him when they ran into each other at a Local shopping center years later. Oh my god He recognized her but she looked looked him straight in the face. He said she had like a

flicker of Like a flicker of a moment like I think I know that guy and then it was go. He was over. He was gone Wow Imagine that having met now the guy that is obviously he is a serial killer and then you see him looking at eggs And he's over there. You know, you know, he's got you see the hair You see the hair and you see to the face and it is just like Look eggs because they ain't chickens yet and you have to deal with this fact. We'd like you change grocery stores I think you have to you could also see him bringing a tiny spoon to the egg aisle and just cracking the little eggs

But again the failure to capture the Yorkshire Ripper was not for a lack of trying by the time of Maureen's assault this is about five or six murders and three or four assaults and there were three hundred officers working on this they'd worked 343,000 hours collectively and when they released the information about the tall blonde man with curly hair They've gotten a hundred and seventeen tips and they had to follow up on every single one of those tips That must have destroyed the UK hairspray fucking sales for the year And everybody but all these blonde guys not being able all these blonde guys not be able to tease it up Because that's how you get women to come they have to see above the other men's hairs

Absolutely, and you know, there was a bunch of kids who were bullied by the lacrosse playing by the by the beautiful lacrosse players of their high school And they're just like yes, I knew they were all murderous The problem was the description of a tall blonde with curly hair was all wrong and And again and again the West Yorkshire police would search for the ripper using false assumptions and half truth Oh, and would therefore follow the wrong trails again and again for entirely too long Okay, so this is one of those this is very interesting Yeah, because we talked about how cops haven't taken sex workers words seriously in this case They did but she was so traumatized and probably has brain

Problems damage that they did but it didn't work out It didn't I guess to sympathize a little bit with how difficult it is to be a police officer or detective You get a lot of information. Yeah, they had a lot of information And so they and they were obviously especially cuz after the last murder everyone went into a massive Panic because now you're seeing that because everyone for a while was kind of lulled into this sort of complacency of like they're only attacking sex workers It's not gonna spill over to the rest of society, right? And you see an innocent beautiful young woman is murdered as it happens again and again And now everybody cares now that someone from their side of the railroad tracks has been murdered now They're now they're invested and so there's all these people

Throwing shit into the pot and they are desperate to solve this crime So they are running up every flag that they get to see what sticks I'm mixing a lot of metaphors. I mean it turns out none of the flags were super sticky All I know is so they're not coming on the flags. No comes on these flags Meanwhile Peter and Sonia had moved out of Sonia's parents house and bought a home of their own at number six garden lane in Bradford Okay, and Peter celebrated this milestone by traveling to Manchester's red light district to commit a murder You gotta have your neighbors over your neighbors barbecue. Yeah, get some cake man. Get a keg. Come on At about 9 p.m. On October 1st their first night in the new house

Peter picked up a girl named Jean Jordan and they agreed upon a fee of five pounds for a sexual encounter Which Peter paid for with a crisp five pound note from his latest pay packet The two then drove to a spot just beyond Southern Cemetery in Chorlton and park the car love Chorlton You'll have I'm a big fan of Chorlton. I love Chorlton I love their Glorsk when you go down to Chorlton. Make sure you get their cold stew That's filled with old clams. They're Gorsh is some of the best Gorsh. I've had outside of Glimp Chorlton's incredible. What a great place. Have you seen the sludge factory? Oh, I love that And I've been a fan of the Chorlton glumper for a long time just one of the better squash teams of all time

I love a game of shitball more than anybody else and the glumps are just the time the cram of the cramps Yeah, oh Tony forgot his shitball again. Oh, I'll make another one I'm sorry, I'm gonna pop it. I'm gonna make myself puke The Peter had gotten rid of his old claw hammer after Maureen Long had survived just in case the cops came calling But when he moved into his new house at Garden Lane He found that the previous occupant had left behind a ball peen hammer. This is not a sign And it was this implement that Peter Sutcliffe was carrying that night Once they got out of the car Peter pointed to a greenhouse 30 yards away and said they could go there to complete their

Transaction claiming the abandoned building full of broken glass Belong to his uncle absolutely and there's that there's no place better to go and have sex with a sex worker than any building Made out of windows What is going on here? When Jean Jordan began climbing a fence to get to the greenhouse though Sutcliffe swung the hammer and hit her again and again in the head But before he could get to his now standard mutilation Peter saw headlights coming towards him So he dragged the body into the nearby bushes and fled but as he drove away

He remembered that he'd given Jean a crisp new five pound note from his wage packet Which could possibly be traced back to him personally and he knew at this point Jean Jordan was absolutely dead So was there just another John driving by the broken glass factory to have sex with a sex worker that night quite possibly Maybe who knows she's but at that point It was too late for Peter to go back because he thought that maybe those people who were driving by had spotted the body Or at the very least Someone would have started looking for the missing girl, but no one would report Jean Jordan missing They figured she just gone back to Scotland for a little while they called her Scotch Jean

What's her nickname and she would just go between your West Yorkshire and Scotland back and forth So they just figured yep, she's taken off again. So nobody reported her missing at all Hmm. I wonder if she's as generous as Scotch Henry has been around 11 45 p.m When Scotch Henry emerges from the couch and begins to online shop Somebody bought a jumpsuit last night. You got one. I bought a jumpsuit last night Not a velour jumpsuit. I'm talking a full like I'm gonna have to take it off completely to shit Jumpsuit because oh Scotch Henry. He had a sparkle in his eye for something new something fashion forward Does it have footies on it? No, I'm not I'm not a special needs janitor

It's a it's a cool hipster this thing. We'll see you. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it I'm gonna look like a fucking oompa loompa who's a plumber Well, you might think Peter would be pleased that no one had discovered the body you'd be wrong See for Peter seeing the murder reported in the paper and knowing others would have had to deal with the aftermath of his cruelty Was all a part of the game It didn't even really matter if it was attached to the Yorkshire Ripper all that mattered is that people saw it people found it People got freaked out that this is where the holes and Peter Sutcliffe's own vision of his crimes come in In a book we can be on belief Peter Sutcliffe does very

Detailed statements about his crimes and the way he does it but he does it kind of in an off-handed What he views and I think you know because we talked about last episode how he thinks he's the fucking guy, right? He thinks he's the coolest fucking knife slinging serial killer in the world. And so when he With his victims, he does it real like because it comes off as he just straight up. They just make me mad That's why I do it and then I don't think about it ever again I just fucking kill them and then it's over But you start seeing like no, especially with this crime in particular He has a very

detailed Fantasy life within his own brain and he loves seeing the panic Caused by his crimes. And so what he this is what marco said? This is just an extension him seeing all of the hullabaloo. I'm gonna use the word hullabaloo Okay, all right his crimes is a part of it. I mean, I'm certain that he at least jerked off a couple of times Thinking about it. Yeah, I'm sure When days went by and gene Why would think so? Yeah, of course. I'm sure that's what they do

No, I mean Have we covered have we ever covered a serial killer that hasn't read their own press? Um, is there any serial killer out there that doesn't like Richard Chase? Yeah, Richard Chase, but Richard Chase couldn't read Richard Chase couldn't see anything other than colors Well, Richard Chase is the anomaly In every fucking category and if you want to read more about Richard Chase You can read a chapter about him in last book on the left Yeah, now two weeks on the new york times bestseller list new york times bestseller list amazing

Well when days went by and the gene jordan murder was still undiscovered Peter returned to the body It had been the night of peter and sonius housewarming party for number six garden lane And that night had been a typical battle of wills between sonia and the other suck cliffs Is this the party where they had people over and apparently sonia? Uh, sonia's an interesting woman, right? She's a unique woman and one of her favorite things in the world One of the ways that she expressed herself was pottery. Yeah, and what she did, um We're gonna call it alternative pottery

She just made it all look like fucking gnocchi with pussies in them, right? Just cylinders and she just made a bunch of whoo-vill Fucking bosses in their home and peter suck cliff now Which is a weird moment in his side life where he's inviting people in the home sonia's inside and he's like They seen what i'll walk you guys do. It's just like don't make fun of her for the pottery Because and they're like we going to Hey, we walk today. We'll be super chuffed about it

If that and me we could be talking about a pottery and they walk in the house because it literally just looks like tim Burton If tim Burton got hit in the head by a piece of an airplane and art directed their home So that's where the tension came the tension was because she was a bad A potterist. Well, it was not just I mean it was like though It was the little domestic things where she had made potatoes for everyone and the suck cliffs apparently fucking love potatoes But she didn't so she didn't make enough potatoes. No, so when she went out she didn't know the clumps were coming over So when she went out to like make more potatoes, she was too fast with it She didn't cook the potatoes all the way through so when mick went and tried to stab the potato with the fork

The potato flew off the fucking plate. You want to heat it up. Why don't you shove it up your ass? So all night it's just jokes. It's just potato jokes. Wow. This is embarrassing Wow, I don't look When me potatoes are too stiff. I'm going for a drive This is unbelievable. I think that there being a little rude to this poor woman. Yeah, leave her alone Oh, sure. Well, we'll see later Whether sonia is culpable or not weathered. Well, I'm not so convinced that sonia truly deserves our sympathy. Well, yeah So after dropping off his family after the party and tired of waiting for someone to discover the body plus

Anxious to retrieve that five pound note Peter returned to the body of gene jordan nine days after killing her. Oh my god So what do we have? What's decomposition after nine days? You weren't the future faction? Stage so it's pretty it's pretty wet. Yeah. Yeah, she's getting soft. Yeah. Oh my god He's dig it. So this is like the worst double dare. What was that game where you had to dig across like all that Was that double dare to get the yeah, I think legs. Yeah, yeah, yeah We had to go through the goop all the goop. He's going through for five for five bucks It's like if someone did an episode of double dare, but like during the the worst parts of vietnam

Just crawling through the putrified bodies of vcs and an old your buddy private tennessee Oh the poor host is ocd. He doesn't like to get dirty mark summers. Love mark summers Well, this wasn't just to get five bucks back. He knew that that five dollar note. It was brand new He'd just gotten it. He knew that that note might have been traced back to him So he's trying to evade capture here. Yes But he also wanted to make sure that everybody discovered the body So he dragged the decomposing corpse out of the bushes and searched the clothes for the note But found nothing so in a frustrated rage

He pulled out his knife and started stabbing the corpse in the chest Then he picked up a piece of broken glass from the nearby greenhouse and slashed the body from the right knee To the left shoulder opening the stomach Which spewed forth a cloud of noxious gases that caused peter to vomit then and there After composing himself peter came up with a new idea In order to confuse the police Peter tried removing the head from the corpse using first a hacksaw he'd brought Then the piece of glass he'd used to open the stomach

But peter found that the head is the most difficult body part to remove Yeah So he finally gave up kicked the body a few times and drove home Leaving the body out in the open to be found the next morning Hmm when the body was found it was so mutilated and decomposed that the detective who arrived on the scene thought at first That somebody had robbed a nearby grave from charlton and desecrated the corpse I would have believed it was from charlton if they only were 400 pounds But it's too skinny to be from charlton

He's got far too many worms to solve his belly because that's all they eat over there In that horrid horrid town of charlton I wish would just sank into the very ground I think charlton's full of wonderful people salt of the earth folks I can't wait for our next special live from charlton And now henry will perform his famous i'm a pig joke Only my pig and I like to snort I'm a pig and I like to jort That was the best show I've ever seen in my life

But this was soon ruled a murder and further search of the area five days later Revealed gene jordan's handbag and the elusive five pound note from peter suckcliffe He didn't think to look in her purse. He had thrown it off into the distance Like what he had just thought it was dark. He didn't have a flashlight He didn't know where he'd thrown it and he probably also forgot that he tossed the handbag He it was nine days later. He probably forgot she even had a fucking handbag in the first place Well, where else do you think he that she would have put the money? Hey, she got pockets

No, you know the conspiracy they don't give women pockets. So they have to buy purses He said often that he would blank out. Would you actually kind of agree? I think that he probably did. I think that in the haze Of the sexual release of the crime. He is not his head's not in the game Yeah, and so when it when something a detail happens, but didn't they also find it with some weird thing was like when they examined the body it had like Nighttime worms like there's two different types of like worms in it There are like daytime worms and nighttime worms and they found that the ones that should have been in the dark side

Were flipped up. Yeah, and they were also looking and they I mean if we really want to get to the nitty-gritty of the Forensics here, uh, they were able to tell that he had returned to the body and stabbed it after She had already died Because the eggs of the maggots in the wounds Were too young To be from the initial murder and they were traumatized And they had to go and bring a grief counselor to those young maggots just so that they can get through maggot high school I know maggot college and join the uh, president's administration

And it's easy to tell a nighttime worm from a daytime worm because the nighttime worms got their bell bottoms on They got nice fancy shirts on like Joe exotic. They are ready to party Because that five pound note was brand new the ripper task force figured it'd be a simple thing to track down where it came from And if they figured out where it came from that would help them narrow down the list of suspects and the ripper killing Okay, and this wasn't a bad idea at all because this method had been successfully tried in another murder case in manchester Not too long before this Unfortunately though this effort only widened the scope After tracing the note back to the Leeds branch at the bank of england

It was determined that it was sent out in one of six thousand pay packets distributed amongst 34 firms One of which employed peter suckcliffe as a truck driver But even so detectives still interviewed all six thousand men Six thousand this is just a this is a tiny sliver of this entire fucking operation You know at least they're trying they are they tried their asses off. They just didn't have The leadership that they needed. Well, he's robo tripping listening to whisk a leaf or it's hard when you're your own radio station Yeah, to be a police constable And of course in this interview sweep was peter suckcliffe

But when he was interviewed peter had alibis for both the night gene jordan was murdered and for the night She was mutilated. Well, he could just make anything up, right? Sonya vouched for him. She said he was home all night Both nights if only if he never mentions the potato incident again Well, that's how it goes apparently. I mean she just said it because he would Because she had her weird night thing So she'd leave half the time and not really she's not really certain where he is But during that specific interview, he just like looked at her. He's like, oh, no, I was home, right? I was home all night, right and she went

Yeah, I mean while she's making a new fucking huge dildo looking thing that I guess is supposed to be a towel rack Now Sonya lying wasn't necessarily a failing of the cops But the investigating officers did neglect to write down that peter had previously owned a white ford corsair And they also failed to search peter's home They also ignored peter's new red ford corsair if they had examined that They would have discovered that the tire tracks found near gene jordan's body Would have been a perfect match for peter suckcliffe's red corsair Which blinked with the five pound note given out in peter suckcliffe's pay packet. That would have sunk peter suckcliffe

There was what's interesting. I guess is that he left no hair at the scene, huh? Well, I mean he must have had that thing on his head He must have that thing on lockdown. This is 1978 like there's not dna There's no dna tests available at this time. So hair doesn't the hair doesn't really mean that much I've got to tell you captain old field. This is the first time I've ever found a square hair But the thing was that there was just too much information to sluice through There's like see the computational techniques that we pioneered here in america the techniques that have kept our serial killer count Relatively low in recent history. All that shit was still in its infancy in the late 70s

What that meant was that the cops working the yorkshire ripper case were dealing with hundreds of thousands of note cards And written reports and nobody was able to put all the information together in any meaningful way Now just to give you a sense of how much power computers give investigators and why killers no longer reach numbers in the 20s and 30s The simple command of control f in a database of suspects would have shown investigators Every single time suckcliffe showed up in a sweep but as it was None of the major operations to find the yorkshire ripper like the five pound note inquiry Were ever cross-referenced with the ones that came before or after and since every operation was done by a different team

peter slipped through the cracks again and again today He would have been caught by two keys on a keyboard damn Damn that fast. Honestly. I really do think that that fast at this point. Yeah, I mean then the detective who's robo-tripping can Just get back to having fun Well such peter committed another murder on january 21st 1978 With avan piercene suckcliffe struck her over the head with his hammer 17 times and stuffed handfuls of horse hair down her throat to keep her quiet as a car drove by Dealing the murder he then kicked her repeatedly and finally killed her by jumping on her chest with both feet

crushing her internal organs But this one was not considered a ripper murder despite the brutality Because avan piercene had not been in effect Ripped so you're seeing his rage escalate And the more and more things go and the less and less like like every single time they come and speak to him And he is not caught the more confident he gets and the more he starts to feel like I can get away with anything and you know one detective showed up and was like well her stomach was jumped upon Where's yosemite sam is yosemite sam around because if I see him he's gonna be in cuffs

He's now a suspect number one But the next victim helen ritka Would surely be included in the ripper's murder count. It is so weird that they took the ripper Like they took that so literally. Yeah where they're like, but what about the ball pin hammer? No, that that's the thing is that if it was only halfway Then I don't know how many people were being murdered with fucking ball peen hammers in york west yorkshire at this time But if there was no knife involved then it was not sent to the uh the task force Geez, they didn't know what the hell it's I don't know if it's that they didn't know what the hell they were doing

It's they Got caught up in these specifics because they were trying to figure out a way to narrow it down Right, so they're like well, it can't possibly be a ripper crime because the ripper rips and so they just Kind of pushed that one out to try to see if they could get other people meanwhile people just keep getting murdered And if you notice here a detective samson, this is a tear. So this would not be yorkshire ripper. Um, yes Normally a rip takes a ripper. Uh-huh. Now. Oh, hey, this is a stomp up And I don't say I was going after those stompings. So we're going after you rip. Okay Okay

Well, I mean they just tried to keep narrowing their focus as much as humanly possible But you know that gives you tunnel vision and any good detective will tell you that tunnel vision Is the detective's worst enemy tunnel vision is also what you get when you robo trip Yeah, tunnel vision is also one of the best songs by fucking. I believe it's foreigner foreigner. Yeah, man I fucking love tunnel vision. No, wait, we're thinking of double vision Double vision Fuck yeah, dude. I'm rocking it man. I'm feeling good, dude. All right All of our all of our nieces and nephews out there if you haven't checked out foreigners double vision

Stop this right now. Push play on spotify Well with helen ricka peter left six stab wounds in the rib cage and heart before covering the body with a sheet of Asbestos he then went home Spunged the blood off his shoes and put the knife He just used to murder a woman back in the kitchen drawer for sonia to use. Oh my god To add insult to homicide though before ricka's body was discovered Men working in the lumberyard next to the murder site found her discarded panties on a bloodstained patch of ground But rather than report it. They nailed the panties to the door of a shed

As a laugh. I think america gets a lot of shit. I think we get a lot of shit for us saying that we're big fat Loud classless Armed sure and I think that a lot of it's correct. Yeah, but I think that the the uk scumbag is unique And and in its own way and and it has its own horrible stripes between shit and pissing In graves and just taking a pair of bloody panties and nailing it like it's a messiah To the wall. I don't think is I you know, I'm not laughing

Yeah, no, I I totally agree with you Well after ricka's body was discovered by the police the authorities put even more men on the case They set up the special homicide investigation team aka the shit squad Uh-oh shit squads here. They put detective chief superintendent john demail in charge But the shit squad Uh-oh shit squads here They had no idea how truly bizarre and specific peter suckcliffe's habits have become See after suckcliffe was arrested police made an incredible discovery once they stripped him down

Something that peter never mentioned in any of his confessions and something that was never brought up in trial Is this gonna be a big reveal? This is the fact that I say is my favorite Serial killer tidbit. I've heard in a long time So when cop searched suckcliffe's person after he was caught they discovered that the yorkshire ripper's underwear was stuffed in his coat pocket Which struck the police as somewhat odd. Yeah, because well, he had cut He wore a long brown gross jacket when he'd go out To do his deeds and he'd cut holes in the pockets So he could keep his hammer and his knife and I guess just this loose underwear in the lining of his jacket

So he's like howard stern after he had the affair and he put it in the glove box remember that and his wife found it I remember that Big vomit the underwear in the pocket only made sense after peter was stripped down Once his pants were off Police discovered that the yorkshire ripper wore a special undergarment that he changed into before every murder Peter suckcliffe had modified a v-neck sweater to work as a pair of leggings What would normally serve as the arms were pulled over peter's legs leaving the v-neck to fully expose his genitals So they could be easily accessed at any time

Furthermore, peter had also affixed reinforced padding into the arms of the v-neck in the spots where his knees would have been Meaning the yorkshire ripper had developed a full apparatus to comfortably kneel and masturbate at crime scenes Can you imagine the vision of stripping a yorkshire man a working-class man? Who's not washed in any way shape or form one of the great and washed is what they called him when they found him He's just like you show you want me on race because they talk about it. He's just like do I do I got to they're like Yes, you do and he slowly embarrassingly reveals His special Mormon underwear that he has with his full yorkshire fucking hair covered dick and balls Hanging out of a j-crew

Fucking v-neck underneath under his pants. Oh, you know, it's all fucking crushed it over Oh, it was a super. It was like his superman underwear that he'd wear to go out And there's something about this because we know that he masturbated Yeah, crime scene. Yeah, we know he did because semen was found near some of the bodies But he never talked about this, right? He never mentioned this little detail in any of his confessions at all When I part of me thinks the reason why that he didn't mention it or doesn't talk about it and why all the cops didn't talk about it was because Peter Sutcliffe imagined a fake masculinity

Like it goes back to the very beginning where he said that prostitutes used to like, you know, have sex with him for free And they used to love it, right? And this concept of they are less than him And just the sheer attraction to this woman makes him like less of a man So there's something about this process and him admitting that I am attracted to sex workers And I love the idea. I love them. They are looser, freer, like they are freer woman than anybody I'm married to Because they they'll do all the fucked up shit that I want them to do quote-unquote. I think that I would But instead I just murder them and then I made special underwear. I went that far to sew in knee pads into a sweater So I can include this as a part of my sexual function

But long before this was discovered, Peter Sutcliffe would commit murder again and again and again Now the shit squad was trying to- Shit squads here! I'm making this morning radio today. I'm doing this. They were trying their best to surveil the red light areas in West Yorkshire And this again led them back to Peter Sutcliffe The squad kept watch on red light districts in Leeds, Bradford and Manchester And Peter Sutcliffe's red coarse air showed up seven times in multiple areas in less than a month

So another interview was scheduled However, Peter was only one interview of thousands and these interviews were done in about the most British way you can imagine Uh-oh. How much tea was involved? How many crumpets? A lot of tea was involved See that's the thing with American detectives and FBI, they don't take anything that you offer them They refuse to do it See none of the men interviewed were told they'd been seen in a red light district And the officers were instructed to be absolutely discreet with the wives of said suspects

These cops said they lived by one phrase Softly, softly, catchy the monkey What? I'm sorry, what was that? Softly, softly, catchy the monkey Now did this come straight up from the lead detective who's robo-tripping right now wearing his underwear on his head? Softly, softly This is uniquely British because the US, we did not do anything softly, our law enforcement is very loud as a matter of fact Very loud

Oh, it gets even more British than that What this meant was that they had to do their investigation while also being careful to not antagonize the marriages of 22,000 Yorkshiremen who'd driven through a red light district for one reason or another One reason or another You know what I mean? Sometimes the red light district is right by a great Popeyes and you got to get the chicken sandwich Yeah, just because you're in the red light district, just because you drive through there doesn't necessarily mean you were there for a lady Yeah, it's like when we drove through Yeah, I mean I ended up on all these websites on accident

I've said this how many times I've said the two bosses of places I've worked I mean like all of this was an accident and I was just driving through this lesbian schoolgirl University, I was looking at it to see my daughter Where will my daughter go to school? Well in order to do this discreetly, the cops would usually distract the wife by asking her to go make a mall a cup of tea Oh my goodness And in the five minutes or so when she was out of the room, the cops would quickly interrogate the subject as to whether or not they were purchasers of affection The rule was never asked about it if the wife was around

They also shouldn't have been interviewing these guys in front of their wives to begin with No But okay It's weird how they had votes because it's a family affair and the cops are coming, it's a big deal It's Yorkshire Sure You're excited to see the constable, he comes around and you know, he's got his way gone I'm not certain, I don't think they had wigs, I think barrisers have wigs

But they walk into them, it's just this idea of having to soft-pedal all of these people Yeah And she'd be like, make yourself a cup of tea, hey alright Because he first would ask for a cup of water Which would turn immediately into a cup of tea So they would go and make the tea and they'd be like, hey, tell me what they are, oh boy It's between you and me, they have body, what have you been doing over there, what have you been doing And they're like, hey, rubbing elbows with each other and it's like, there's a fucking serial killer

Yeah Drip, he's literally ripping through the countryside Good lord, it's like Simon Pegg from Hot Fuzz From Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead wrote these goddamn cops characters They're ridiculous Now this non-confrontational approach to police work probably wasn't the best way to go about things No, definitely not But at the very least, cross-referencing names with previous suspect lists might have given investigators something to work with

Unfortunately though, that didn't happen When Sutcliffe was questioned in this sweep, the officer had no idea that this was actually Peter Sutcliffe's third interview concerning the Ripper case Because no cross-referencing had been done Now I thought that when the shit squad was finished with the interview, one officer would take a little dump right outside the door So that then all the other officers would know, oh, we already got that one, there should have been two dumps outside Oh, it's the office, they've already had a shite business here And so Sutcliffe was again able to evade suspicion And on April 4th, 1970, he murdered another woman outside of the sex work business

Which naturally increased the volume of public outcry So he is not getting deterred by this No, no, no I mean, it's interesting These cops, you know those new Heineken commercials with the Heineken 0.0 And then they have like the guy getting pulled over with the Heineken bottle And then they have a good laugh because there's no alcohol in it But in reality, you get pulled from your car and you get beat up no matter what

Fucking wailed on exactly a drag down the street I guess it was more of that reality for him Where it was like, oh, this is fine, these cops aren't even against me, they're kind of friends It just seems like at some point you would have a chilling effect to be like, okay Well, he figures out real fast that all he has to do is stonewall the cops and say, nope, wasn't there My wife says that I wasn't there And she'll say, look, yep, nope, he wasn't there, he was there with me And then the cops, they have so many people to interview

So many people to get through that they're just, I mean, they're in a daze He was probably, what, the 50th person they'd interviewed that day, 60th? This is also, I made the joke last week about it being kind of like Hobbiton But Yorkshire is a really nice part of the UK There's not, like, yes, it has rough patches, but it's honestly a really nice spot So I think there's also a little bit of being like, we're not trying to ruffle too many feathers By really stiff-arming people, because they're British And they don't want to spoil the crumpets

Tension in the air actually will ruin the scones I know, heard that For his next murder, Sutcliffe followed 19-year-old Josephine Whitaker into a field Where she usually took a shortcut to her grandmother's house He asked her the time, and when she told him after looking at a faraway clock tower Peter congratulated her on her good eyesight before thwacking her twice with a hammer Suddenly, though, across the field, people saw two people walking towards them So he dragged Josephine still alive and softly moaning further away from the road

And as the figures drew closer, Peter pulled out his screwdriver and stabbed Josephine 9 times in the front, 12 times in the back, and an untold number of times in the vagina So he's back to the fucking screwdriver? Yes, he goes back and forth between the screwdriver and the knife He made this a weapon, like he purposely made it sharper in order to do this So it shows more of his weird premeditation But he always has the hammer Always, never once does he murder without the hammer

I feel like that should be the tool that the cops are focusing on, not the knife, but... Then Sutcliffe left a bite mark on her breast that was unmistakably his Because the eighth-inch gap between his two front teeth was clear to the forensics team Who later examined the body That's how you can always tell if Ernest Borgnein got to your sandwich before you got to it Eleven days before this incident occurred, though, the cops thought that they'd finally caught a break When they suddenly found themselves thrust into a narrative that seemed straight out of Victorian England See, in mid-1978, both head investigator George Oldfield and the Sunday Mirror

Received letters reminiscent of Jack the Ripper's famous missives sent almost a hundred years before While neither letter had the flair of Jack's dear boss letter, they still sounded legit Even if they are pretty trite It's your pretty typical, like, all-kill-dim-holes, you know, that sort of shit Like, it was nothing special It was no fucking son-of-sam letter, I'll tell you that much No, no, it's just... It wasn't creatively written

As a matter of fact, there's actually... And there are some sentences that were straight up lifted from the old Jack the Ripper letters Put inside of his letters, so, you know, it's very interesting Probably just sounded like the mumblings of Robert Wagner before he killed Natalie Wood Just whatever he was saying You know when you're high on cocaine and also hammered but trying to tell secrets But no one else is around? Sir, you're yelling

I know that's a secret because what you said is horrible You're yelling it Throw off the goddamn end of the bridge, man Throw off the boat, you know I can hear it from across the room You can hear it I think I'm talking out loud Can they hear me?

Oh, god damn it I can hear you, sir Sir, you are frightening me I'm gonna have to ask you to leave this chili Well, in addition to them sounding legit Seaman found near the body of Joan Harrison was from a B blood type secretor Which matched the saliva from the envelopes sent to the cops in the media So they're thinking this is legit

They're thinking this is real Yeah, it's actually one of my favorite guns to the B bullet type secretor It's powerful It shoots one really droopy bullet But powerful, powerful bullet This is all kept a secret in 1978 But when another letter arrived a year later Along with an audio tape

George Oldfield was desperate enough to release both of them to the public This is an edited version of the tape in question I'm Jack I see you are still having no luck catching me I have the greatest respect for you, George But lord You are no longer catching me now Than four years ago when I started

I reckon your boys are letting you down, George They can't be much good, can they? The only time they came near catching me Was a few months back in Chabletown When I was disturbed I warned you in March that I'd strike again Sorry it wasn't right, but I'm not quite sure when I strike again

But it will be definitely Sooner or this year I'm not sure where Maybe Manchester I like it there There's plenty of them knocking about They never learn, do they, George? I bet you've warned them

But they never listen Well, it's been nice talking to you, George George, talk to you later Hello, I'm Dylan Thomas And I am here to cast you in the Yorkshire version Of Under Milkwood This is wonderful Your accent is exactly what we're going for

We did Under Milkwood in high school Or college, rather From UW Stout in Menominee, Wisconsin You can imagine how horrible our accent is I would love to have seen that You was a tree I was a detective who took a dump in a hat That's true

Now that wasn't how the tape actually ended We just heard an edited version of it Instead, the last line said Hope you like the catchy tune at the end And that statement was followed by this song And I'm being absolutely serious here Oh my god Thank you for being a friend

Traveled down a road and back again Your heart is true You're a pal in a confident You know the lead detective Robo Tripping right now He's just like loving this This is a good song, I love it Thank you for being a friend

Of course Later the theme song for Golden Girls And if you do pot it And bot it if one you move Honestly, it's such a catchy song It's a great song I'm always and always will be Team Blanche You are a fucking Blanche

I'm a Raphael and I'm a Blanche I just watched TMNT, the 1990 movie I think Raphael was formed No, we know this And I think maybe the other Ninja Turtles Should have listened to Leonardo a little bit more Yeah, if they wanted to have no fun If they wanted to have zero fun

Also they wouldn't have met Casey Jones Without Raphael being out there I do feel like though Michelangelo Would have eaten a Tide pod He would have accidentally Poisoned himself at some point Now how George Oldfield took this song Was that the Ripper saw him as a friend

An equal What a creative way to take that song I mean, that's like a little on the nose Don't you think? It's a fair assumption to make Because the men who eventually lowered Dennis Rader Into making the mistake that got him caught They did the exact same thing almost 30 years later

Yeah, send us an email I can't wait to talk to you But the problem here was that neither the tapes Nor the letters were sent by Peter Sutcliffe In reality, the communications have been sent By an abusive alcoholic named John Humble Nicknamed John the Bag Because he'd always have a sack

Of strong cider slung over his shoulder He would have just been a Howard Stern He would have been a Howard Stern call-in character Yeah, John the Bag is in the whack pack Absolutely, he's in the whack pack Absolutely, they would have called him But John Humble is a sad fuck And I watch a documentary on him

And it is very, very sad that he is just one of those people When they ask him the reason why Why? Why you do this? We'll talk a little bit more about him And a little bit from now But I think it's interesting how he was driven By subconscious forces to do something like this As a way to make himself feel like he matters

As a way for him to stick his head in the most I'm going to say almost sociopathic way Where he just kind of joins in on this conversation As an almost, in my mind, a psychic completion Of the story of Jack the Ripper And of a new Jack the Ripper Where it's almost like like Jack Ruby Where the way history functions

These people arrive to fill slots in history They just kind of show up And then all of a sudden, welcome to the story You just joined in and you righteously fucked it up But for some reason the universe brings all of these things together To make it an exact parallel Like the Jack the Ripper parallel is so interesting Because it's exactly the same

Except, you know, they got Peter Sutcliffe Which is nice Mr. Ruby, we're casting you in the JFK assassination situation Oh, what's my line? Oswald! Oswald! Alright! Alright!

John the bag was from Sunderland John the bag? I love John the bag It's the saddest nickname I've ever... You get it? Because I got a big bag! Well, he was from Sunderland What the English call a jordy And because Oldfield was absolutely convinced

That the tape and the letters were authentic The task force operated under the false assumption That the Yorkshire Ripper was from Sunderland For a good chunk of time Oh, man And it was this false assumption That allowed Peter Sutcliffe to slip through the net Once again in the summer of 1979

So this guy's little joke Led to the murder of what? Probably four more people? Four more, yeah Yeah, four more people And he knew it Yeah He knew what he...

He knew it, that it was going on And it causes him to... He did attempt to commit suicide Mm-hmm Let's see, Sutcliffe had traded in his Corsair For a sumbeam rapier And that car had been seen in the Lum Lane area Thirty-six times

You don't see a lot of cars with the rape in their name No, I think the rapier has sort of been rebranded I think it's now just called Camry Man, when I had my niece on Gaper in college I loved that one It was so cool to drive around my lime green Gaper Mm-hmm No, I had the Ford balls deep

Which is really... It's great It's always in four-wheel drive, though Kind of frustrating But again, the interviewing officer Detective Andrew Laptu had no idea That this was now the fifth time That Sutcliffe had been spoken with

Concerning the Yorkshire Ripper case Oh Laptu's impression of the people at Number Six Garden Lane Was that Peter and Sonya were unusually quiet And totally lacking in a sense of humor Because when Laptu tried his standard This is your chance to get ready a husband, joke Neither one cracked a smile

And usually it killed I am so mad that these cops Had material That they walked in literally with bits And you... I... You know, just... Just fucking catch serial killer, guys

Yeah Stop worrying about it If your jokes are going flat No, cop jokes are always horrible Because you're the punchline And you getting incarcerated Is like the final funniest part And Laptu remembered this interaction

Because Sutcliffe was suspicious In addition to Peter's visits to Lomb Lane Sutcliffe also resembled a photo fit Put together by a surviving victim And he had that huge eighth inch gap In his front teeth And he had all the right facial hair The first time in the world anybody ever said

That he had all the right facial hair But Peter Sutcliffe obviously had A Bradford accent And since the entire investigation At that time was operating under the assumption That the Ripper had a Geordie accent Peter was once again put in an Ever-growing follow-up pile

And was largely forgotten Assumption? You know what that stands for That's right Yeah Making an ass out of you and me If you didn't fucking know that Okay, that's what I'm saying

Yeah, I do fucking know what it means Do you know what it means? Okay But not too long after that though George Oldfield, who'd been running himself Ragged for years trying to find the Ripper Suffered a heart attack On all the cigarettes, booze, and cough syrup

And he never returned to the case Aw I kind of was hoping that he could get some closure But I guess he lived a heart attack lifestyle Yeah, he did He just figured that the coughs here Would kind of like Equalize all the cough and foam and cigarettes

Yeah, maybe that's where he did it It's called being even I'm just like But it's not like new leadership Led to the capture of the Ripper It'd be another year and a half Before Peter Sutcliffe was caught And at least two more women would die

While an untold number would be attacked So in a wildly desperate attempt To capture the killer Authorities doubled down on the recordings And letters Even though linguistic experts By this point were beginning to question Even the authenticity of the Geordie accent

They began a public information campaign Called Project R Which broadcast a single message In 300 newspaper ads 5,000 billboards And constant radio and television advertisements It said, quote The man next to you may have killed 12 women

He may be sitting or standing next to you In your pub, club, or canteen Or in a queue, on a bus He may be working at the next machine Desk or table But he is in fact a vicious, dranged maniac Whose method of murder and mutilation Is so sick that it turned the stomachs

Of even the most hardened police officers Here's how you can help Look closely at the handwriting It is the handwriting of a sadistic killer And if you think you'll recognise it from a note Letter, envelope, signature, check, did anything Report it to your local police Listen to the killer's voice

By phoning leads STD 05 32 464 111 You can hear probably the most important clue To the killer's identity It won't be a pleasant experience But it could lead to the end of the brutal murders If you think you'll recognise the voice Tell the police Help us stop the rapper from killing again

Look at his handwriting Listen to his voice I just gotta say that's a lot of words for a billboard You know that might cause more accidents than he's killed Why is everyone going one mile an hour during this road of land? I mean imagine listening to the fucking radio And that comes on every 20 minutes or so It reminds me of in these hard times

We here at Nissan, we care about you And that's why we still will sell you a car If I see one more fucking celebrity next to their pool Trying to relate to me Why don't you just go swimming? As we know from the many investigations we've covered The tactic of opening the investigation to the public Almost never works

With of course the high profile exception of Ted Kaczynski So it really is not more In this case it's not more than merrier You kinda want less chefs in the old kitchen Well in this case the cops got 3,000 calls on the first day And 19,000 calls over the first three months Which of course needed the allocation of resources To field those calls and resources to follow up on the leads

And it was all based off what was essentially a bad prank Honestly what I think they need there is a relationship counselor Because you know how many girlfriends were just like Stop, I know We never do that babe It's always we saw it in Son of Sam too You know this shit comes out of the woodwork Because then it's everybody with a Jordy accent

Who's also an asshole Put on that list One merciful break was that John the bag's conscience Finally got the better of him When he realized just how badly he was fucking everything up He sent four letters to the police And even called to tell everyone The tape and the letters were a hoax

Saying stop putting resources into this It's so sad It's such a sad waste of everything Of time and energy His life was a waste Like straight up He grew in so many people's lives With this dumb little thing that he decided

Some weird impulse he decided to follow But I do love his follow up calls Where he's like Stop listening to the truth Like he's trying to cover up the voice And he's like Hey chief, you're big Yeah, watch it

Yeah, this is Ted Carple calling Saying yeah those tapes were a hoax And you need to think about it Anything but his voice He's just calling and trying to stop the shit I don't So this poor drunk Honestly he just needed Bob and Tom to call into

He needed a radio show where he could be a local Hacky talent Well he didn't own up completely He didn't go in, throw up his hands and say Hey, I was the guy He didn't get caught for this until 2005 Oh shit Yeah

What were the charges then? Interfering with the police investigation He got eight years Oh well honestly Aided and abetted in the murder of a couple of people In his fifties though Damn Because he had gotten arrested for drunken disorderly

In 2005 his DNA went into the national database They checked it against every other sample of DNA That they had And they were like Whoa, wow, oh you're that guy We're gonna fuck you up In Ireland you get arrested for drunken orderly You better start getting a little crazier

You're being suspect Hello, hello, I'll be here until Tuesday Then my wife, she's demanding that I go to court Even so like the voice Like when he called up and said like Hey, the tape isn't real That voice matched the voice on the tape that they already had This is Gilbert Godfrey

All I knew to think And if he just had channeled some of this Into being a radio man Like a voice man Yeah So if the authorities decided that it might have been A really fucking stupid idea to eliminate suspects Based solely on their accent

And I want to talk about this in the UK in general How many fucking accents you have There's so many different types of accents And they're so specific each one And I don't even I'm gonna say this might be racist against white people I really can barely tell the difference between a Jordy accent And a New Yorkshire accent

I know that they are different But the fact that like Well that's a Jordy accent There's no way it comes from over here Because this here is a Linkshire accent Come on, it's a Manchester accent And so they all got different accents And they're all very proud of them

Oh I guess that's the buzzer for character actor Grypes to be done Great news section which I love Well a problem with them saying That hey maybe we shouldn't eliminate people Because of the accent Problem with that is that it once again Widened the scope of the investigation

Now you gotta start all over the fucking beginning Four years after the investigation began The shit squad had taken almost 25,000 statements Done over 50,000 vehicle checks Made 25,000 house to house inquiries And it interviewed almost 200,000 people And ironically all of those pieces of paper About as good as toilet paper

Well no not at all There were plenty of pieces of paper with Peter Sutcliffe's name on it Yeah well those are the ones you want to keep That's your double ply Charmin He went to speak to him again and again and again And by the time it was all over and done with Peter Sutcliffe would be interviewed Ten times and would never be a main suspect

Despite the fact that he was the only person Who showed up in every single major Ripper operation Geez But perhaps the multiple interviews Had taken a toll on Sutcliffe Because in the summer of 1980 Peter was arrested for drink driving

As they call it in England And lost his job as a truck driver Oh that's the problem Besides that Peter's domestic life was becoming a quiet hell Sonia had become obsessed with cleanliness Keeping their entire house encased in plastic And she refused to sit anywhere outside of the home

Without Dustin and blowing on the area For a full two minutes beforehand Sounds like me right now Going insane But it's really again and with the pottery And all of the bullshit I feel like I'm not gonna say she knew

But I am gonna say When your husband goes for a long period of time Maybe there was a formal relationship Maybe there was some type of arrangement Where he said I see prostitutes And she says go do it And that becomes like a housing thing

Where he is doing that Because maybe, who knows I mean that's total conjecture So you're saying it's kind of like a pornographic sixth sense Where instead of dead people He always sees prostitutes You know it's the story of the song You know let me smell your dick

You have to go and be like Because you know that dick is smelling weird What a weird and unusual There's a song with the lyrics Let me smell your dick Yeah buddy it's about cheating What song is that? I believe it's called let me smell your dick

It is called let me smell it There's a lot of songs called smell your dick No kidding Yeah there's one by a woman named Risque Uh huh Wait no never mind It's the only one It's just one

It's just one Okay well good for her Yeah man named Risque Let me smell your dick And it's not like It's not like a sommelier She's not looking for top notes And bottom notes

It's about saying whether or not I mean I don't know if women can tell the difference Between the smell of their own pussy juices And other people's pussy juices That's a question for our listeners Side stories LPOTL Sure At gmail.com feel free to answer

And can you tell the difference between pussy juices I think they can That's just research Oh they can Yeah And not too long after losing his job Well they can They can

Oh yeah Yeah Yeah You got to stink on you You got to stink on you Of another lady They know And not too long after losing his job

Peter killed again This time strangling a woman Named Marguerite Walls Instead of stabbing her In an attempt to throw the police off the trail And in doing this he succeeded Since he still used a hammer But not a knife

The murder of Marguerite Walls Was placed in the run of the mill Sex worker murder category And it stayed far away From the shit squad My question is Is that Do they not feel like

Hammers Should be like not sold anymore We need to be like Thinking about hammers Like how that's like a wave I don't know how many people I actually also then wonder If there are copycrack

If there are copycrack Crimes going on At the same time Maybe But I mean I really don't know How many hammer murders there were Or at least hammer attacks

There were in the UK It might It might have been In the late 70s Very common I don't know Is this before they had Not have guns

I don't think the British Have ever been super gun happy At least not to our fucking level They're stabby Yeah, they're very stabby Yeah, they're stabbing Yeah They're in better shape

Gotta run around Well not too long after that murder Peter and Mick, his brother They went to visit their sister In Morkham And of course Peter Had to visit the Wax Museum Oh yeah

Dude this Wax Museum Got into a hole I want to buy one I wonder if you can buy one From what Mick said They went to the museum Before going to their sister's place He couldn't wait

And Peter relished Showing his brother Diseased penis after diseased penis When all Mick wanted to do Was go to the pub This makes me feel For Marcus's brothers Yes absolutely

Because I know The same arrangement has happened Between Marcus and his brothers Where they're like Marcus is like No, look at this medical anomaly This is great Marcus We love your creativity

We think you're super successful We're super proud of you Can we go get tacos? If you don't go to the medical Malno matter If you don't go look At a bunch of diseased cocks And pussies

What are you going to talk about To alienate everyone at the bar? So you got to have You got to go in with ammo No, but then you always Get this pre-911 So you don't get your fucking 911 truth Or stuff to talk about

You really can't talk about how You're making all the kids gay That's very difficult All you can do to really ruin A dinner in the 1970s To shit in your pants Yeah, that's true Then on November 17th, 1980

Peter Sutcliffe committed His last murder Now as far as the shit squad Was concerned Shit squad's here There hadn't been a ripper Murder in almost a year And the news had been

Pretty quiet as well So everyone's guard was down And on that night Peter Sutcliffe saw Jacqueline Hill exit a bus As he was elbow deep In a bucket of KFC Oh, dude

Terrible commercial for KFC Very bad You know, he ran for Senate The Colonel? The Colonel did Well, according to the sign At the Taco Bell KFC on McGinnis That is what it said

So that is where I'm getting that piece of information Well, he snuck up from behind Hit her with his hammer Dragged her into a vacant lot And stabbed her in the eye With his screwdriver Well, that was one of those

Where he said that he felt Her eyes were staring at him And after she'd dead on the ground That was one of those Full psychological freakouts That he had Eyes and teeth I am doing better with teeth

I don't know what that makes I watch a lot of horror movies Teeth stuff I used to have to turn my head Now I can watch teeth stuff But eye stuff, man Man, eyes of my mother That fucking movie

If you have an eye thing problem You want to never feel comfortable Ever again, watch Eyes of my mother That's a great recommendation And Julia's eyes as well There's a really great eye scene In that one that'll really fuck you up Mmm, yes

Now, even though no one Got to look at Peter A brown, square-shaped car Had been seen in the area And that perfectly matched Peter Sutcliffe's brand new Range Rover She got a fucking Range Rover?

Like Henry City Who's one of those guys That spent all his fucking money on cars Okay Loves cars, sells the old cars Gets the new new cars He's constantly shuffling In and out, it's his thing

It's like us with Jordans Absolutely The only person who put it together Was Trevor Birdzell And if you'll remember Birdzell was present at two Of Sutcliffe's earliest assaults Including the attempted murder

Of Olive Smelt So Birdzell decided to finally Write a letter to the police Telling them what he knew Oh, no cats can be brown Oh, no cats can be yellow Oh, no cats can be gray And I also know my best friends

The Yorkshire Ripper Remember that when people When everyone was being mean To everyone in seventh grade And then a pretty girl would say They would mouth the words Olive Juice But it seems like they say I love you And then you'd be like

That's so nice And then they would say Olive Juice I said Olive Juice I didn't say I love you What psychological torture Are you talking about That never happened to me That never happened to you

You're pulling from a very specific memory Seventh grader, her name was Angie I totally remember it Well, okay And when no one responded to his letter After 24 hours though Birdzell had a few drinks And at the urging of his girlfriend

Went to the police and repeated everything But once again Possibly because he was drunk Nothing happened The statement was filed And forgotten Now at this point Members of British Parliament

Were trying to get involved I want to kill a prostitute I want to do it myself I've been thinking about it for a very long time And I am sick of the commoners Getting to do it and me Not getting to do it I say we legalize it

Oh, legalize sex work? No, legalize killing sex workers Katelyn didn't legalize murder They even talked about the possibility Of Scotland Yard taking over Which would have probably been a good move About three years earlier Scotland Yard would have been able to deal

With all the fucking paperwork But what eventually ended Peter Sutcliffe's reign of terror Was not the entrance of a hot shot Scotland Yard inspector Or some new computational technique Or forensics Or even a clever sting

Instead, it was nothing more Than a routine sweep of a red light district Conducted by beat cops It was a fucking accident It reminds me of the chickatillo The way that they kind of cornered him And got him That it took so long

And eventually it was just straight up Just covering every single place That he could go Just by like use of force Of humans, of like bodies On January 2nd, 1981 Peter, calling himself Dave Picked up a lady of the night

In Sheffield at about 10, 20 p.m. And parked next to a nearby building From what the woman Who called herself Sharon said Peter tried to get an erection For 10 minutes But was never able to achieve it And blamed his inability to get hard

On his wife's constant nagging But she ain't here Call me It won't make it big enough Forgot my penis rope Get bigger Get bigger That's hard

When you're screaming, get bigger That's not where you That's not where you want to be What are the rules in this situation? Is it like when you You're not supposed to go shopping hungry But shouldn't you be aroused If you're going to try

To find a sex worker already? Like why would you go there without I don't know why I'm asking you I think that you are aroused But then sometimes the penis Doesn't show up Unless you've been having Delicious Garrison Brothers whiskey

And I do love whiskey But sometimes it makes your spirit hard Your penis very soft I see it's like Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber She meant 10 p.m. So maybe the penis Just got the time wrong We know Peter was planning to murder this woman

Because he was wearing his special Serial killer underwear at the time Oh my god But before he got the chance Police boxed in his car And placed both him and his companion Under arrest And this wasn't even necessarily

We're going to arrest everybody When it comes to the Yorkshire Ripper We're going to arrest this guy Who is obviously in the throes Of paid passion Well, Timmy had chose that he Had lost the edge He had parked

Right next to the road And he said it was weird the way he was parked He was parked as if he was trying To make a quick getaway Instead of someone who was actually trying To hide having sex with a prostitute Interesting While the officers were

Scording Sharon to their car Peter grabbed all his implements of murder And scurried off to throw them behind An oil storage tank next to the nearest building When cops asked what the noise Was all about Peter shrugged And said he'd been bursting for a pee

And cops shrugged too Said all right, let's go down to the station No, my piss always makes it clattering Like a hammer and a knife thrown into An alleyway garbage can It always sounds like a cartoon Where you throw a baseball into a note You were crashed through objects for five minutes

My piss is very strong Either that man just threw away a bunch of evidence Making him a serial killer Or he's got the worst kidney stones I have ever heard in my entire life But once they arrived at the station Certain things about Sutcliffe Started to fall into place

Police saw that Sutcliffe's face Almost perfectly matched the photo fit Given by Maureen Long So the cops rightly went back To see what Sutcliffe might have been doing In the moment he disappeared from the officer's site Back at the arrest scene Almost immediately

The officer found Peter's ball peen hammer And knife And with that, the Yorkshire Ripper Was finally in police custody Over five years After he'd committed his first murder Yay, but it took too long, but yay And none of the investigative

None of the investigative bullshit mattered None of it They just nabbed him the old school way By him being stupid That's a great day for a beat cop, man Yeah, it is Yes, it is That's how my father got his accolades

He accidentally caught a murderer on traffic stop Yup And when police went to search Sutcliffe's house the next morning They found Sonia watching a German TV show But even when they explained to her That Peter was in quite a bit of trouble She paid more attention to the TV

Than to the cops They're trying to see how many sausages They can fit inside of a barrel And now they're up to 24 This is the best show I've ever seen What a tremendous waste of sausages Well, I hope somebody eats some Then of course a quick search of the house

Found the hacksaw screwdrivers That match stab wounds on victims of the ripper And the knife missing from the kitchen's butcher block Matched the one Peter had tried to hide And for me this brings up an interesting question About Sonia If Peter was taking knives from the kitchen And bringing them back every time he went out

Did Sonia ever notice? Or more importantly If she did notice, did she care? Well, I wasn't using them to kill a prostitute tonight So let him do it Yeah, I mean, apparently she wasn't very good in the kitchen So maybe she didn't even care about the knives Actually, in the kitchen, Mick did say

That the only thing she could cook He said that she made these little bowls of spicy things That no one really knew what it was I like it I like little bowls of spicy things They're just fucking peppers You just go to the store and you can buy peppers Little bowl of spicy things, that's what I call peppers

But from what one of the officers Who searched the Sutcliffe home that day said While he wouldn't have believed before That any woman could be married to the ripper and not know it He was convinced that if anyone could have been oblivious It was Sonia She's type of the person that you could have taken a chair Out from underneath her while she was sitting in

And she would like still be sitting in no air You know, like she just being like Because they say if it's true If her diagnosis of schizophrenia is true It's a part of that where things are just kind of a wash Where you have a very difficult time paying attention And absorbing details Because your brain is going

Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do Like as the main show The main show is like, you know, you're talking to the salt and pepper shit The salt and pepper shit telling you to kill the president And you're like, now Deborscht is on, they got 47 sausages into this new barrel I love that Yeah, she sounds like the wife of the main character

From the original It Who looked into the lights Just catatonic Oh, interesting Beautiful It didn't take but about two days for Peter Sutcliffe To confess to being the Yorkshire Ripper And the British public reacted as if the old days

Of public execution were back Gathering 2,000 strong outside the courthouse During Peter's first hearing Hang him! Hang him! That's what they, it was kind of crazy, it was old school I must feel good for a British To be able to do an old-fashioned hang-a-mob

Well, they're the best at it Did they make little t-shirts like we did with Burn Bundy Burn? No, they just screamed They just screamed, hang the fucking bastard over and over and over again Well, again, that's a very long thing Now Sutcliffe pleaded guilty But not to murder Instead, Peter pled guilty to manslaughter

Because by the time it came to plead He'd figured that his only defense was insanity And Peter had suddenly decided That he was schizophrenic Oh, really? Absolutely Even though he had near total recall Over all of the details of all of his crimes

And never once, in the beginning, talked about God Never talked about it at Sonya Never talked about it to the police Never talked about it to his friends This concept of which I, you know As a surface-level understanding of Peter Sutcliffe I'd always known him as a missionary killer Who believes in God

But now you're seeing that it straight up Was just a fucking ad-lib At the very end that became Like his calling card for true crime novelists From then on Hmm He convinced a whole team of doctors That he'd killed sex workers

Because God had commanded him to do so Fearing various paranoid delusions That it started when Sutcliffe was 19 And, of course, that removes Any and all sexual component to his crimes Yeah, that it was some missionary cleansing thing Even though that, obviously, it does still fall On the line of you probably

You're having a sexual gratification for it Because how many times do priests fucking whip themselves So they come all over a bunch of little boys That's like what they love They love that That's kind of a thing for them Jesus Christ is screaming On the fucking nail to the cross with his big taut

Beautiful white body Jesus Christ just singing You're just screaming You can take my robe off if you'd like to You would love to see what the Christ package Has in store for you Yeah, human consciousness really was a mistake, wasn't it? It was

It's an offshoot, it's a mistake It's a mistake in the term that it was It's neutral, but it just happened But the sad thing is, you know these cops He did this because he knew that the culture They probably kind of were like, well I see the point I see what he was going for

Like this is really, this plays on a much larger thing Theme that we talk about regularly Well you might be asking how any medical professional Could believe there was no sexual component When Sutcliffe was caught Wearing a custom made garment Crafted specifically for public masturbation Seems like the whole no sexual component to this thing

That fucking falls away completely Yeah, he didn't just want to have a really breezy dick Well they didn't take the garment into account Because they didn't know about it Now I don't know if this is British squeamishness Or if things like this happen all the time Everywhere in serial killer cases But cops kept the garment

Completely off the record Man, I would have been fucking, that should have been A fucking thing Yeah dude Throughout UK, like it should have been known And it should have been Yorkshire pants And people should have been like doing it As a serial killer joke for years

No one knew about it No one knew I understand them not doing it before the case is solved Right? Because you don't want to give up information on that But at this point Dude, they never reported it They never filed it

They ordered it to be burned They said burn it, we don't need it We've got this guy dead to rights Meanwhile, there's somebody in Yorkshire I guarantee Sitting right now Asshole directly on the chair Because they themselves are wearing a pair of Yorkshire pants

Yeah, listening to this episode Well, nothing wrong with that But it was saved by a cop Named Alan Foster Who kept it just in case It ever needed to be tested against unsolved murders or attacks Or, so he said Maybe he just wanted to keep it

I don't smell in it Yeah, exactly It's a true crime artifact It's Peter Suckliffe's fucking serial killer pants It's Peter Suckliffe's Yorkshire pants This is why you're not a detective Because it's not an artifact It's a piece of evidence

I don't think this guy was starting a museum Of serial killers who show their cock Via sweater Because honestly, wouldn't you want one for yourself A new one, a nice one? Yeah, I'm not saying he wore it himself Yeah, I fuck me I tried it on once

Did you get to try on Charles Manson's jacket? No, I did not Where is that at? At the Museum of Death in Los Angeles They got his jacket It must be very tiny, even for you Yeah, I'm way too big to be in Charles Manson's jacket He's, uh, what?

I think I'm almost a foot shorter than I am Damn He's very tiny Yeah, 5'2", 5'3", it'd even be too small for you, Henry Aw I know, we can't even, you know The information about Peter Suckliffe's Yorkshire pajamas Might have been lost forever

Had author Michael Bilton not discovered it Upon interviewing Alan Foster For the book Wicked Beyond Belief Which, this really makes me wonder Just how many details about serial killers have been kept from us How many details did cops come across That they just like, nah, no one needs to know about that Yeah, like how many tapes did Jeffrey Dahmer have in his home

Of just like, filled with Seinfeld It's the little things that build a person's Personality for you, right Because it shows just how much work Peter Suckliffe put Put into this part of the masturbation ceremony That he needed, he couldn't even fucking spend the time Opening up his pants and like pulling his underwear aside His dick needed to be out

But for some reason, he needed something covering his butt Well, he's not plugging it Cause he's gonna get cold The whole thing, but I also don't understand Well, that's the thing, you gotta have the knee pads though The knee pads are an essential part of this Absolutely I'm just not having this guy come over to lay carpet in my house

That's all I'm saying But while Suckliffe was able to fool a fair amount of medical doctors With his schizophrenia claims He wasn't able to fool a jury And Peter Suckliffe was given 20 life sentences Good Now he did end up in Broadmoor Hospital For a short period of time

With, I mean, a lot of serial killers ended up in Broadmoor prison And also, Jun and Jennifer Gibbons The silent twins, who we hope to cover in the future They were also there at the same time as Peter Suckliffe It's a real who's who, huh? But eventually, Peter Suckliffe was transferred to Franklin prison Where he remains to this day As far as Sonia Suckliffe goes

She still lives at Number 6 Garden Lane And only stopped visiting Peter in 2015 After the man she married in 1997 Supposedly told her, it's either Peter or it's me It only took him 18 years, huh? To come up with that? It took 18 years and she used to visit all the time But now the son is lamenting about how she won't answer his Christmas cards Oh, my God

So he's still around, huh? Dude, not only is he still around But we still know what Peter Suckliffe's thoughts are To this day, Peter's thoughts are still the subject of British tabloids And at least two stories a year are devoted to the Yorkshire Ripper As if he's just another celebrity from England's past I thought you were gonna say he's a podcast I'm like, we cannot deal with all this competition all the time

We're gonna bring it to the network But he was complaining that the COVID-19 restrictions were too much And he couldn't get his soda from the canteen He needs the soda, I wonder what he drinks He couldn't go to the canteen I mean, a Yorkshire man, oh, that fucker drinks Iron Brew Yeah Well, in fact, just four days ago, according to the Sun

Peter Suckliffe signed a do not resuscitate order And the eventuality that he contracts the coronavirus I guess that's... Yeah, would they resuscitate him? Isn't that a little bit presumptuous of him? And apparently, one thing that has not aged well One thing that has not aged well is that Peter Suckliffe Still doing the Macarena

Oh, my God, that's pathetic No matter what kills Peter Suckliffe He's still gonna die in prison And here's to hoping that the Yorkshire pajamas Get spread far and wide before that happens I really hope he finds out that everyone knows About his stupid fucking underwear Send us a picture of you in your Yorkshire pants

And we'll put it up on Twitter We can't, you cannot legally... Oh, no, you could put that on Twitter You can put that on Twitter They want to put out dings and dongs on there Um, I don't know why I... Don't email us because I don't want the people who check our email To have to look at your fucking Yorkshire pudding

It's me! I'm checking the email on the side stories So I will... I'll look at it Alright, send it to the side stories then Don't send it to the side stories! How do we even get here? Um, I almost... It's weird I don't feel like Justice was served I know that he was arrested, I know

But the fact that he's still alive Just living in prison, bitching about not being able to go to the canteen He's getting it too, he's... I don't know, I just feel like his life is too good He's got it pretty easy, yeah I think that he... I think he killed... because of the police He killed ten more people than he would have killed

Yeah Yeah Well, either way, it's great, there's Peter Succliff Uh, the Yorkshire Ripper! There it was Honestly, that was a great story, great job guys Very interesting This serial killer, we talk about like

What can we discover next? But this actually had a lot of ins and outs Extremely unique It's a very unique case, yeah Very unique Very unique to the UK as well Oh, right Yes, and shouldn't you be proud, UK listeners

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