Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 420: Jodi Arias Part II - Juror #7

Episode Date: August 15, 2020

As we close the Jodi Arias saga, we meet the attorneys defending and prosecuting Arias, see how Jodi transforms for the cameras, and hear her spin a yarn of sexual abuse and Mormon misadventure.Kevin��MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. Why? That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? You know what's one thing Jodiarius never had to really deal with? A living boyfriend?

I was trying! She's got a living boyfriend for about five months. I went on the trampoline yesterday to just try to get some movement going. Are you getting into extreme trampolining? There's nothing extreme about it. I would say it's mundane trampolining. Not only do I need a front bra, because my tits slap up and down when they go on the trampoline, it hurts. It makes audible slapping noises that it sounds like I'm washing a seal in the backyard.

But now my back titties slap. When you have full on high front titties that wrap around to side titties that go all the way to back titties, it comes from the grateful gifts I was given from losing weight. Yes, from your Polish Jesus. So now I have a curtain of tittie meat that goes front to back that all jumps up and down. And in that way, shape, or form, I've had it worse than a woman normally does. Just like Jody Arias. Wow, you know what, Henry?

You're brave for doing what you did. Thank you. Welcome to the last podcast on the Left Everyone. I am Ben with Big Did It, Henry, and Mark Is Parks, who has no boobs at all. None whatsoever. It's flat up there. I mean, I'm talking negative A's. Negative A's, indeed. He's a real carpenter's dream.

He is. I would lean that carpet. I don't know. I just mean he's a very capable apprentice. Yes, indeed he is. Well, speaking of capable, we are on to part two of Jody Arias, and I just have to do this. It's the age of Jody Arias. Age of Jody Arias. Arias. That was in my head all night last night. So that's what I contributed to the show tonight.

Great work, man. You don't need to do research. No, as bizarre as Jody Arias' behavior was before and during the murder of Travis Alexander, the weirdness of this story didn't truly begin until after Travis was killed and the hunt for justice began. I do like the way that you've said she stabbed this man 30 times and then shot him in the head and you're like, bizarre. Like that is, you know what, sometimes when I'm mid-stabbing my ex-boyfriend, I'm just like, I'm being so bizarre. This is so not me right now. This right here, this is just wow. Bizarre. Now we don't really have any idea where Jody Arias went or what she was doing immediately after the murder of Travis Alexander,

because her phone was turned off the entire time she was in Arizona. Most likely, Jody was finding a choice spot somewhere in the desert to hide both the knife used to stab Travis and the gun used to shoot him because neither murder weapon has ever been recovered. She spent obviously a significant amount of time hiding these weapons. I don't know if you need to spend that much time if you're in the middle of the Arizona desert, but she definitely did. She definitely, because she was gone for hours immediately she was on the road. Anytime you're driving into Arizona and you're like, that's right, better turn off my phone, you're always hiding a murder weapon. Every single time.

What we do know, however, is that six hours after murdering Travis Alexander, Jody Arias turned her phone back on 27 miles south of the Nevada border and the first thing she did was call Travis's phone to leave a voice message. And this is that message. I know Leslie called you, so I already talked to her, so you can call her back if you want, but it's not necessary. My phone died, so I wasn't getting back to anybody. And I drove 100 miles in the wrong direction, over 100 miles, thank you very much. So yeah, remember New Mexico? It was a lot like that. Only you weren't here to prevent me from going into the three digits, so fun fun.

I'll tell you all about that later. Also, we were talking about, when we were talking about your upcoming travel to my way, I was looking at the May calendar stuff, so I'm all confused. But Heather and I are going to see Othello on July 1st, and we would love for you to accompany us. I don't know when Team Freedom's event is, but it's on the list, so we could do Shakespeare, Crater Lake on the coast. So if you can make it, if not, we'll just do the coast in Crater Lake. But let me know, and I will talk to you soon. She just stabbed him 30 times, shot him in the head, and slit his throat. And she spent a good amount of time composing herself enough to leave this voice mail message acting as if shit was totally chill.

Yeah, but what she suggested was worse than death. It was, what are you going to do? You're going to go see Shakespeare in the park with Jody Arias in there with some other random ass chick? Why did you stab me fucking 30 times and then shoot me in the head and then slit my throat? I'd rather do that. That's the only sarcastic I need to sarcasm fun. The only good thing about that story is that you didn't have to do any of those things she suggested. What a nightmare. She obviously wasn't in denial about what had happened because the entire murder had been planned so meticulously. From the theft of her grandfather's gun to the action of bringing gas cans from California in order to avoid detection.

Instead, Jody was covering her tracks by making it appear as if she didn't know that Travis was dead, to the point where she's essentially inviting his corpse to go to a Shakespeare festival. Weekend at Bernie's just got a little bit more boring. This is like such an overreaction on her part. She's like, I'm planning all of these things. You can tell she knows it's all bullshit. She was also trying to establish an alibi saying that her phone had died and she'd lost the charger. Wouldn't you know it? She'd goofed and driven 100 miles in the wrong direction on her way to the prepaid legal conference in Salt Lake City. I mean, you're right. She's over explaining everything.

Everything? Has anyone ever driven 100 miles in the wrong direction? There's modern technology still back then, right? Jody had to shut off her iPhone to get lost. But this is 2008. Did she have an iPhone? I think she might have had a flip. I think she had like a Nokia brick. Yeah, she might have. She's a cool chick. In other words, Jody was so arrogant about her ability to deceive others that she thought investigators would listen to this message, think, oh man, she obviously had nothing to do with this and just let her go free.

She's like, wow, wow, this voicemail is incredible. This is really good. This is one of the better voicemails I've ever heard. But speaking of Salt Lake City, by the time Jody turned her phone back on, she was 24 hours late to a meeting with her new boyfriend, Ryan Burns, in the city of Mormons at the prepaid legal conference. Which, as far as everyone in her life was concerned, that was the reason why she'd left California that week. Everyone thought, oh, Jody's going to Salt Lake City. She's fucking this new guy. Sure. The guy expected her there on June 4th, but when he was expecting her there was the time that she was fucking Travis Alexander

in anticipation of later killing him. And Ryan Burns' entire deal has just been like, oh, I don't know why it took her so long, but, you know, I just figured girls. Like, that was him on the stand. She's putting on makeup. I don't know what she's doing, but I was just sitting here waiting for it, you know, because their text exchanges back and forth were starting to edge into the sexual, but I found a website that had all of Jody Arias' correspondence text and email via Travis Alexander and other people just in a row, like in a timeline. And during this time period, she started planting the seeds with Ryan,

and then I think the words that he used were, when you get here, make sure you don't play hard to get. When she'd rolled into town, so she had been setting all of this up, but Ryan Burns didn't know that he was just an alibi. After she turned her phone back on, she called up Ryan and gave him the same excuse concerning the dead phone in the wrong direction, and Ryan, presumably under the same spell that Travis had fallen under, said, fine, just make it here when you can. Got that Gucci fever. He's got Gucci fever indeed, but to be fair, well, not to be fair in any which way, but she does have a nice voice. She has a wonderful voice, and we'll see that she has an absolutely beautiful singing voice. Oh.

It's fine. I wouldn't say she's like Adele. I don't know. You know what I mean? She's not an incredible find. It's not like I'd hear Jody Arias singing at the gas station like they did with Tony Braxton. In context of her being a murderer, she's a ten, and when it comes to singing, I'm sure she's making a lot of her fellow inmates happy nowadays, just singing random lullabies to them.

Herbert Mullen was a good singer. No kidding. Meanwhile, Travis Alexander's body was still tucked away in his own shower waiting to be discovered, although that discovery would take a ridiculous amount of time, considering the fact that two other dudes also lived there. Two of the thickest boys to ever play Call of Duty lived in that apartment with him and did not look at the blood, didn't look at any, because I have not found any documentation that said that they were in and out of that apartment.

They obviously weren't there the night that he was murdered, because he was murder, and because he was screaming, right? And God knows what he was doing, and the gunshot, unless they were just straight up had their fucking cans on and just were deep into cup-headed, but while looking at porn on their phone at the same time, just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like Travis is choking on something, but he's not knocking or anything, so... Well, it's not like they didn't notice something was amiss. I mean, the day after the murder, Travis's roommate Enrique came home to find the house locked,

which was unusual for Travis. He never locked his front door. This is fucking Mesa, Arizona. So Enrique used the keypad code for the garage and saw Travis's car was there. Despite the fact that Travis was supposed to have gone to Cancun, and there was obviously no life whatsoever in the house. Some might say it was eerily quiet. Yeah, you know, but then you're like, fuck yeah, I could jerk off in the living room. As soon as you see it, you're like, huh?

I don't know where Travis is. It smells like pennies in here. Oh well, I guess you won't miss any of these Doritos. Oh my bad roommates. Furthermore, Enrique also noticed that Travis's beloved and ever-present Choose the Right ring, which reminded Travis that sex was naughty, had been left on the kitchen counter. Travis never left his stupid ring behind. Oh my goodness.

It's kind of amazing that, which we'll find, is that he did remove that ring whenever he had sex with Jody. As if he thought that that was like the soren eye of God. And that was the only thing that could tell the world that he was having anal sex with not even his wife. And then we had received several emails and said, no Mormon truly believes in the Catholic carve-out. But there's the other thing I heard was that Mormons do call it the poop-hole-loop-hole. That's a fun place to be. But despite all these red flags, Enrique just shrugged to name my business and just went about his day. Technically, he's a great roommate.

The power of the roommate to not get involved in a murder trial. Don't get involved. Because they know on some level, I think a roommate, all roommates that you barely understand what they do for a living, they have on a cellular level an understanding of like, I really feel like if I ask a single question, I might like a lawyer or a cop might speak to me and then they'll know like, I'm high. You got things to do. You got to go to Cancun yourself. They spend all this time at trial.

Don't fucking know I'm high, dude. They know I'm holding, dude. They will know you're high. That's not to say nobody noticed Travis' sudden disappearance because he was on the books for a big prepaid legal conference call the day after his murder. But while friends showed concern at his absence, they still didn't check in on Travis physically. T-dog was just left, man. I think that the sad thing is that one of his friends was actually texting him all night, like, you better be dead, dude. You missed a big fucking call, bro.

And he felt real bad about that after. Yeah, he should have. Yeah, that's fine. Meanwhile, Jody had arrived at the apartment of Ryan Burns in Salt Lake City and had sex with him less than 24 hours after murdering Travis. I don't know what everybody's saying. Jody's pretty chill. I think she's pretty cool. Pretty cool chick. However, Ryan did notice a couple of odd things about Jody upon her arrival. She didn't act differently in any way whatsoever. She was still the same old Jody.

But Jody had just dyed her hair brown. Whereas the last time he'd seen her, she'd been a blonde. A switch that, again, points towards premeditation. And speaking of premeditation, on her way to Salt Lake City, Jody had been stopped by a cop because the license plate on her rental car was upside down. Which meant that Jody probably switched plates with someone while she'd been in Arizona. And it switched back to the originals, either in the dark or in a hurry. I have a weird analysis point. My question is, is that did she try to hide with the license plate?

Or was this a deeper fabrication because she told Ryan a part of the reason why? Because she kept having to build her excuses as to why she was late meeting Ryan. I think what could also possibly be is that she purposely flipped the license plate upside down. And after she made up this lie saying that she got pulled over saying that her license plate was upside down. I think it's possibly that too where she then thought of this ingenious plan because she does this like five or six times. Yeah, she has these plans that are dumb shit. They're stupid. They're absolutely stupid. You can tell she thinks it's the smartest fucking thing that anyone could ever do. I mean flipping the old license plate upside down, that's kind of a unique approach or a reason to be late.

I guess a strange excuse. Yeah, it's like a thing that doesn't happen ever. Like it's a made up thing. It's a thing that why the hell would that happen? Who do you know if it's difficult to hang it upside down? Some cars have different nuts bolts on the top so the license plate for you to flip it upside down. Yeah, she said that it was a prank that a bunch of teenagers had pulled. Oh, that's a funny prank. That's a funny prank because when you're a teenager you flip the license plate upside down and you look at it. And you're like, I got that one.

That is an upside down license plate. This is so fun. Another nice night in Mesa. Additionally, Jodi's hands were covered in bandages and little cuts, which Jodi said she got at the restaurant where she worked, but were in fact the types of self-inflicted wounds most people have when they stab another person repeatedly that doesn't want to be stabbed. I remember a big part of Jodi's trip to Salt Lake City was the prepaid legal conference, which meant that there were plenty of people in attendance who knew Travis and still believed that he was alive. Travis was a big name of prepaid legal. Of course. This, I think, was all a part of her plan because she probably expected Travis's body to be found quickly.

And if that were to happen while she was at the conference, she would not only have been the center of attention, but she would also have plenty of people who would bond with her grief and later become defenders should she need them. But it didn't happen that way. Instead, Jodi had to spend the whole conference pretending Travis was alive, telling a mutual friend that even though she and Travis were no longer together, they would always be friends. Oh, I mean, I guess they can still be friends. Well, this came from... If you read their deeper correspondence, they...

I mean, talk about horseshit because Travis Alexander to everybody else pretended Jodi and him were done, done, done. Right. They didn't even have contact anymore. Meanwhile, you look at these long-winded emails that they both send back and forth talking about the moments they shared and how much love and how, like, he's never come so hard in his life. And that's why when he's with her, he shoots massive loads. Wow. Because everything that she does turns him on.

I mean, meanwhile, she's saying stuff like, I do sort of understand that when I was your girlfriend, you didn't want to refer to me as your girlfriend because you just wanted to appear as a motivational speaker, as a single available man, and that I understand. But now, I need you to claim me as your friend. I need you to tell your friends that we are friends and stop not acknowledging me and not tagging me in pictures on Facebook. It turns into... Well, you do want to tag her in pictures on Facebook because then the world knows that you guys are buddies. She does not. But he did not want that because he was both afraid of her and deeply sexually still involved with her, even though they were supposed to not be talking anymore.

So she shows up now as this new thing. Well, Travis and I were talking over the weekend. Meanwhile, she just killed him. Yeah. And they are all being like, okay, Jody, I thought you and Travis were, like, broken up and stuff. She's like, yes, but our story is a mythical tale of two souls that fly together, not together in hand and hand, but together in a trip like birds that fly together in a flock. And you're just like... It's amazing she's keeping all this together, though.

She's a psychopath. Yeah. Well, she's a psycho, but yeah. Straight up sociopath. It just doesn't fucking register with her. Okay. Well, after the conference was over, Jody went back to Eureka and stopped by her parents' house to tell them that she was most likely going to leave town. When they asked why, she said, quote, because I might be blamed for something.

That's really ominous and scary that you said that, Jody. Like, what do you think you'll be blamed for having a license plate upside down? I was looking at this Mormon reading that said something along the lines of, if thou doth smelt him, then thou doth dealt him. So you're saying that you farted and you have to leave? I just can't deal with the shame of my poopy flakes being up in your nostrils, mummy. Everybody farts. It's okay. She wouldn't tell them.

You know, she said this cryptic shit and when they asked like, well, what might you be blamed for? She'd go, I don't want to talk about it. She also was supposed to have... She had very little contact with her parents to begin with. Yeah. And they both were... They had a very chilly relationship on the whole. So she was just almost like...

In my mind... Now, I've just been so... I've been so deep in the mind of Jody Arias the last like five days, like just watching her speak on the stand, that you can kind of see this sort of minor aggression towards her parents. Because to everybody else, she was calling Travis' parents, being like, I don't know where he is. And like, out of going out of her way to text Travis' friends, being like, have you seen Travis? And then, but to her parents, she was like, I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen to me. And you're gonna have to deal with it.

And then she just leaves. Because it's like another thing, like, she did it to hurt them too. Yeah. It is tough being a parent. Because what are you gonna do when you... I mean, seriously, what do you do when you have a psychopath kid? What do you do? Like, that just sucks.

It's very scary. I don't know. They didn't help, but they also... They didn't hurt? What were they gonna do? They're kids. They're just a crazy person. I was talking about this with Natalie.

It's like, when it gets down to it, it's like, you can have mental health issues and you can deal with stuff and be beaten and do this stuff. And none of it is an excuse to stab somebody 30 times. Definitely not. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Good grief. But at this point, the oh fuck reality might have begun to set in. Because while Jody had done pretty good in covering her tracks before the murder, her follow through after the murder was surprisingly lazy. It was very half ass.

For example, when she returned the Ford Focus, she'd rented to drive to Mesa and kill Travis, the agent who took the car back in, a man named Rafael Colombo. Oh, hello, sir. He noticed that the floor mats were missing, and the front and back seats were stained with what appeared to be, in his words, red juice. Called another sample of the power of denial, where he's just like, come, there must be some kind of red juice on this. Yeah, of course. This is juice. This is just juice. Juice is an evidence.

Well, you know, every time we're on our road trips, how we need all of the red juice, how we always stop and get red juice, and we drink it. And then sometimes you spill a little bit, you know. How many times? Because the only proper way to drink red juice is to pour 12 inches above your mouth and try to catch it. Yeah. Nothing better than road climato. I mean, she could have gone to a pet boy's and replaced the floor mats. She could have done a much better job of cleaning out the red juice.

You know, she was very lazy with it. Interesting. Meanwhile, as Jody was returning the rental, 36 hours after the murder, Travis Alexander's body was still undiscovered. Oh my goodness. Although, to be fair, the stench of decomposition had not quite gotten strong enough to make it through the double doors of Travis's master bedroom. You know, at some point the roommates are to blame here. I mean, not that they could have saved him or anything, but it's a lot of time. It's the power of denial.

It's very, very powerful. And all this time, Jody was still sending texts to Travis's phone and sending emails asking why she hadn't heard back from him while continuing to make crazy threats by telling him she was planning to sleep in his bed at his home during his upcoming trip to Cancun. You see samples of the way she must have spoken to him when she turns cute because she sends an email, again, after stabbing him 30 times, shooting him in the head and sliding his throat. She sends an email joking about. She's like, well, you know, maybe when you're gone in Cancun, which I understand you're going with, you're just doing a trip on you, just you having you time. That I understand. Maybe I'll just go in through the doggy door again and make myself some brownies and sleep in your bed. JK, winky face, winky face.

Please have in the ultimate alone time. He's dead. This is horrible. I just can't believe that, like, if you're Travis and you, like, let's say there isn't afterlife, you're like, you're still fucking yelling at me. Like, you are still yelling at me. You stabbed me. Yeah. Leave me alone.

By Monday, though, the smell had finally made its way through the double doors, and yet the roommates still shrugged and said, not my problem. Not my problem. It's all right. I mean, not everyone knows this smell of death. I feel like it is like a rotting stench. Yeah. It does get to a point where you might want to ask questions, but still, you never know if he left, like, a bag of taquitos in there or something. What's going on in a man's room?

Well, it wasn't until Mimi, the woman Travis had kind of sort of been dating, went with a mutual friend to finally check on him that they found the body. Five days after the murder. What five days? Five days. Not to be too gross here, but he must have been, like, kind of a puddle. It looked real bad. It looked like part of what fucked up the whole, like, how did he die? It was that he was sitting in a pool of water for five days, just rotting, and all folded up, right?

Like, he was all smashed in the center of this shower stall. And when they finally found him, I mean, then they realized it was this massive crime scene that they just ignored. Yeah. I mean, honestly, we're not, you know, we don't see each other all the time, but I would like to think, five days, guys. You're going to leave me rotting for five days. I'd be looking for you for five days, but mostly it'd be like, where are our shows? Like, that's the problem. That's what starts.

Yeah, that's the problem. Now, of course, the interviews started immediately. And when investigators began asking Travis's friends and family who might have done this, every single one of them joined a resounding chorus that said, over and over again, Jody Arias. Me? No, no. Detective shit nips over here, I've seen her beaver, there's no way she's guilty. Beaver's an innocent beaver if you ask me. But at the very least, one friend did give Jody the benefit of the doubt and called her to tell her that Travis had been murdered.

I would love to hear Jody just be like, what? What? You hear it several times, she does this act many times until she finally morphs into the Travis abused me storyline. Well, finally, Jody was able to unleash the performance that she'd been keeping secret. She sobbed and sobbed and called every mutual friend they had to make sure everyone knew how distraught she was about the whole thing. I think that this is the moment she was waiting for. I think that there is a, I don't know what you diagnose her as having and they, no one agrees as to what her deal is, what her bullshit is. But there's a narcissistic stripe that shows that she was excited for the reveal almost, which is why I think she stopped being as meticulous about her cover up story.

Because then it started becoming, when's it gonna be about me? When's it gonna be about me? When's it gonna be about me? I've been waiting to tell everybody this story, this quiet story. It's first just being the ultimate victim, right? Of being like, what am I, now the whole world is gonna ask about our relationship. Like literally I can tell everybody now about the drama of Jody and Travis with the fucking camera in my face. I can't wait to tell everybody what great friends we were. What Jody didn't know though, is that when she was calling all of her friends individually, the cops were circulating through that same friend circle to inquire about Travis' relationship with Jody. In fact, one group of friends, all gathered in grief, got a call from Jody at the exact moment they were telling police that they thought she was probably the one who'd killed Travis.

Damn. Now the crime scene the cops found was obviously fucking brutal. Because while Jody had taken great care to clean the blood from Travis' body, she didn't really clean anything else. The sink was spattered with blood, there were pools of blood on the floor where Travis stumbled after being stabbed in the back. There was a big pool where his throat was slit, and blood was smeared all over the tile floor of the bathroom and down the length of two separate walls. No, that's just, it's red juice. It's juice. We had Clamato Wednesday where we have Virgin Clamatos.

Arius also left behind a mountain of physical evidence, including the 25 caliber shell casing from the fatal gunshot, plenty of hair, and a big old fingerprint right in the middle of one of the blood stains on the wall. It's, it, she might have, she might as well have signed like Jody was here in his blood. Right. Because it was a full handprint, was just on the wall. But despite all this, Jody went full steam ahead with her plan, thinking that if she played the role of the grieving lover all too willing to help with the investigation, the cops would be so beguiled they'd never consider her as a suspect. She did a press conference, the day that she was, she did a self-declared press conference, the day she was arrested that is wild to see. This is, and it's going to start a precedent, that every single step of this trial, she calls her own personal press conference, which the media was very happily, very happy to apply to her. Of course.

Right. And she walked in front of these cameras because this is first wave, innocent Jody. She doesn't have bangs yet. And I think the bangs are part of her own physical cover-up. I do believe the hair has got a lot to do with her physical and mental state. Sure. So she starts telling this story of, I was, I'm just bushwacked. I'm bushwacked about this whole scenario.

Interesting. Well, ma'am, we've actually seen your behavior. We know you're not bushwacked. Oh, man. What I bring to the show. Yeah. Yeah, sure. A maturity.

A maturity. So while the cops were still doing their initial investigation, before she was even arrested, she called the Mesa PD multiple times wanting to speak with a detective in charge of the case, a one detective Esteban Flores. When he finally took her call, she used things that she'd done herself, like the slashing of Travis's tires, as evidence that someone else was out to get Travis. At this point, Jody was already the main suspect, but Detective Flores humored her a bit and asked her who she thought might have killed Travis. Some kind of Asian. Some kind of Asian. But they looked Asian. I still don't know the reference.

Cable guy. Cable guy. That's right. Bad movie, funny scene. Should have been Chris Farley though. Should have been. The best Jody could come up with, as far as suspects went, was a couple of former roommates who had been kicked out of Travis's house for allegedly, quote, praying on Mormon women.

Good and vague. Jody also swore up and down that she hadn't been anywhere near Mesa, Arizona on June 4th, although she had no confirmable alibi for where she might have been other than the vague plans to fuck Ryan Burns in Salt Lake City and the same old story about driving 100 miles in the wrong direction. Watching the interrogation. It's all on YouTube. That's one of the more interesting parts about doing a modern crime is that all of this shit's on YouTube. Right. So you watch her. If you watch the six hours of interrogation, you watch her track all of this bullshit.

And the way that she is, she first lays out her story with the 100 mile detour and all this bullshit. And the cop is still sitting there just being like, you know, you still left out like 18 hours. Right. There's like 18 hours of time. And she's like, let's do that math again. We should do the math again. And then she goes through the whole story again. And he's like, yep, 18 hours is missing in this story.

Plus there's a butt print and a bunch of red juice on the wall in this bathroom. I got to say this, ma'am, this is an illegal amount of juice. Yes, it is. You're just going to have to, unfortunately, we're going to have to arrest you just on juice possession alone. My goodness. The police had not yet matched Jodi's prints to those found at the scene because Jodi had no arrest record. But they did suspect her based on the fact that she was the first and only person anyone had brought up when it came to suspects. In fact, Detective Flores even brought this up to Jodi during their initial conversations,

telling her that every friend of Travis's had nothing but the worst shit to say about her. And to this, she simply said, okay, and forged ahead. Yo, but also Detective Flores is throwing these people under the bus. He's ratting out all these folks. This is a dangerous ass bitch. Also, people are talking bad about you, Jodi. She's going to go kill everybody. He knew that she wasn't going anywhere.

She wasn't going fucking anywhere. They already knew at the very top that she had done it. And so this whole story, and you can see, okay, is a thing that she does time and time again, where it's this whole like, you're an idiot. But that's how she says okay. She goes like, okay. And you just want to be like, I am, I can see almost why, this is why your parents called the cops on you for growing weed in the roof.

It's that, it's okay. I kind of like her a little bit. It's kind of fun. She's, she's spicy. You're going to get killed by a woman then. However, while Flores was trying to figure out the best way to get Jodi's fingerprints, the game got a hell of a lot easier when police discovered Travis's digital camera in the washing machine. They found it while they had her.

At first, the cops figured the camera was useless because it had gone through the wash. But since Travis had spent a little bit of money on the toy, the chamber that held the memory card was waterproof. As you know, say you were to drop the camera in the lake, you wouldn't lose all the pictures that you'd already taken. Well, I remember that commercial for that camera where it's like murdered your boyfriend, you know. Don't pictures of the entire sequence of events. This one will keep the evidence.

Jodi did think to delete the photos, but one wonders why she chose to very suspiciously throw the camera in the washing machine with the bloody towels that she used to clean off Travis's body where someone was sure to find it, instead of just taking it or just leaving it be. It's strange because she took the murder weapons to Mesa. Why wouldn't she just take everything? Let's not forget, Casey Anthony is free because she used Firefox instead of Internet Explorer to Google murder methods just before killing her daughter.

She's free because cops didn't know the difference between Firefox and Internet Explorer, and they didn't think to check the fucking browsing history on Firefox. So it's not a stretch to think investigators in 2008 wouldn't give more than a cursory glance to a digital camera if it wasn't in a suspicious place. Narcissists have a way of doing magical thinking. So in my mind, I believe on some cellular level, Jodi Arias thought that if I continue my line of thinking, all reality will bend to my line of thinking.

So in some ways, her haphazard covering up the crime, it is suddenly, unconsciously, it is a way to be caught, like we see with serial killers all the time, where there's a little bit of, I want people to know the story. Also, there's just a straight up carelessness where you're wrapping up all this shit and you're just like, fuck it, fuck this, because in the end, I'll make this up, we'll shoot a fucking life, we'll shoot a life, where you're like, once I'm fucking in the captain's chair, this whole fucking case, once they finally put the spotlight on me, everyone's gonna believe me, I'm gonna set this whole thing straight. Right.

Regardless of Jodi's motivations, the fact remains that putting the camera in the wash with the bloody towels raised gigantic red flags for investigators. So they dug in deep, recovered the photos that Jodi had deleted, and got a real good look at Jodi's butthole. Whoa. He really did. It is. My goodness. You don't need binoculars.

Wow, look at that. You look right in there, I literally, you see a little pin light where I think her mouth is. No kidding. Even if the camera hadn't kept going off while the murder was happening, these photos were incriminating because they proved that Jodi had lied about being in Mesa on the day of the murder. But even without the pictures, based on the physical evidence alone, there still would have been enough evidence to prosecute and convict Jodi Arias. If I'm Jodi Arias' defense attorney, I'm saying that's not her butthole.

And then I have to say, Jodi, get on the stand, show us your butthole. Well. You'll notice she has a vertical butthole. And what we have here is a round butthole. Unfortunately, her defense attorney, Kirk Nurmey, Wormie Nurmey, as I called him in the press, he wrote in his book, Trapped with Miss Arias, is that he actually wanted the jury to see the nude pictures and she was pushing back and did not want anybody to see the nude pictures. But he wanted to show these pictures of your butthole are what shows the world that you didn't want these pictures of your butthole taken.

But actually, it's the opposite because it's really easy to hide your butthole. Because you could do it with pants. Sure, you can. You could do it with a pillow, you could do it with a scarf, you could do it with a postage stamp. You literally could just cover just the butthole if you want. Anything will cover a butthole. You can just see the one juror just coming in with a 12 pack and a bunch of KFC chicken be like, it's a butthole day.

It's a butthole day. Nessie's a great day to be a juror. Good work everybody. We made it number one day in juror history. I don't know what it is, man, but I just think she's not guilty. Well, at the time, Jody didn't know the cops had any of this shit, and she even attended the memorial of the man she killed. Oh my god, that must have been so uncomfortable for everyone.

It's just such a, it's a perfect, I mean, it's just a perfect situation for her. She gets to show up in like a black veil. You know, you know that she, it was her just going, I'm just, I'm just beside myself. Could possibly happen. Meanwhile, everyone's like probably keeping six feet from her. Oh yeah. All looking at her.

Meanwhile, she's going to Travis' body being like, why? Why? I'm just kissing his dead lips. Be like, one more. One more before he goes to heaven to see Moroni. Yeah. Oh right.

Well, finally he has his own planet now. That's the only thing he ever wanted. I hope he does. I hope he does. I don't know if he'll get one for how much space exploration he did. To my butthole. To your butthole. Great.

After the memorial was over and done with though, Jody was called in to Mesa PD and was asked to give fingerprints after, I don't know this for sure, but she was probably told like, Hey, you were Travis' lover. Your fingerprints are all over this bedroom. So we need your fingerprints in order to eliminate your fingerprints because we need to make sure you're not guilty, lady. Well, that's what she offered in the interrogation.

She's like, I've lived in there for months and I go in there all the time. My DNA should be all over that house as if she was very excited. How much your DNA had. And she probably thought about that during their relationship while he was alive. She's like, at least some of my hairs are there. And once those fingerprints were matched to the one found smack dab in the middle of the bloody palm print in Travis' bathroom hallway, Jody Arias was arrested and charged 22 days after the murder.

Okay. Now, during the investigation, Flores went hard on Jody, asking her to tell the same story she told before about driving 100 miles in the wrong direction. And she did, except when she saw he wasn't buying it, she abruptly said, quote, Did I tell you I got stranded? Just fucking boom.

When she saw that the wheels return in his head, when he started talking, I was like, yeah, there's like 18 hours missing. She's like, oh, I got stranded. I forgot to tell you I got stranded for 18 hours. You forgot to tell me you were stranded for 18 hours. It was crazy. You just forgot that? I was up a tree.

I was in a nest. You were in a nest? For a period of time, yes, I was acting as if I was a bird, but that was to not to disturb the other birds. Okay. So what were you eating? How did you stay alive? Digested worms.

You were eating worms? I let myself be fetched. I was stranded. You were stranded in a nest eating worms for 18 hours. And some of those little birds were saying that they had a plan to murder Travis, my beloved boyfriend. In rebuttal, Detective Flores first brought up the fingerprint Jodi had left, but she said that her fingerprints were probably in the bathroom

because that's where she gave Travis's pug Napoleon a bath. So of course, of course, her fingerprints are everywhere. Then Flores told her that he had absolute proof that she was there, through which Jodi said, no, you don't. And that's when Detective Flores showed Jodi a photograph of her own butthole. Timestamped June 4th. That's a heavy time because she did. Damn.

I didn't know you had butthole footage. If you would have told me you had butthole footage, I would have changed this entire story. She does this. It's a very interesting acting job. Because he's like, what if I told you I had pictures that you were there? And she's like, that is something that I wouldn't necessarily believe that you would have. And he's like, well, let me just show you some pictures, one picture of just Travis. She's like, that's Travis.

And she's just like, yes. And she's like, this is another picture of Travis. This is a picture of you nude in pigtails front face forward. And she was like, wow, that looks like me. She said that which is an interesting defense. And then he's like, and then there's this picture. And he shows a picture of her own butthole and vagina. And she just looks at it and she goes, wow.

We'll call this exhibit A and B for S and butthole. Thank you, Kissel. Well, at one point she started sobbing. And she said, like, if Travis were here today, he'd tell you that that's not my butthole. That's somebody else's butthole. Travis would tell you. He'd tell you. It is never a good day when you're in court crying, looking at a picture of your own butthole.

That's like one of those where it's like, how did I get here? I wonder what happened. I wonder what happened. How did I end up in court crying, looking at my own butthole? She also does this move that you will see in the trial as well, where she puts her head, her forehead on the table with her hands covering her forehead, making crying noises. Only to emerge and see no tears there. Oh my God. You see this again and again that she does this move where she doesn't want, she goes...

And then she gets up and looks forward and just see no tears, just like straight face. Instead of owning up, Jody claimed that someone had to have switched the memory cards. Or, Travis had to have been sleeping with a woman who looked exactly like me. Or, you cops have probably photoshopped my face on someone else's body. And it's like, lady, do you know how cops work? They are very lazy. Yes, that is not happening. You photoshopped my face on somebody else's butthole and I know it.

But, of course, he wasn't budging either. And he told Jody that, hey, this is pretty much the most amount of evidence I've ever had on a murder case. And all the years on the force. Oh my God. Eventually, Jody accepted she was being arrested. But instead of asking for a lawyer, she said, I know it's really shallow to ask, but would it be possible if I could clean myself up before I take my mug shot? Well, you want to have a nice mug shot, I guess.

She knew she was going to be famous, I suppose. It's weird, though, because if this was any other story, it might not have been. She saw an opportunity to become famous. It's almost the opposite, where if she had not done all the flagrant behavior that she will continue to do throughout all of this trial, this might just be another blip. Like, if she had just been kind of like a quote-unquote normal inmate, but that first mug shot of her smiling, clear-faced. That's creepy. It's weird.

Well, I think it's very telling that when she was able to make her first phone call, she called her parents. She didn't ask for a lawyer. The first thing she did was to ask her parents to Google her name. When Flores told her, like, no, you can't go and clean yourself up, I'll be right back. He left the room. She was still concerned about her image and could barely be heard on tape talking to herself, saying, quote, I should have at least done your makeup, Jody. Gosh.

Yeah, Jody, you should have. You look fucking ugly as shit. Who are you? Who's speaking to me? I'm Travis. Travis. All right, well, let me give you a mouth hug and you'll feel all better. That's what she called it all the time in Tess.

Mouth hugs? And I'll give you a mouth hug. Yuck. And with any luck, you'll take a picture of my butthole. I mean, honestly, consenting adults can take as many pictures as they want. Of course. The murder is the problem, Henry. And then, while waiting for Flores to come back, she absentmindedly played with the water bottle on the table in front of her

and started singing a Dido song. I can't breathe until you're resting here with me. I won't go. I can't hide. That is freaking horrifying. That is like the scariest damn thing I have ever heard in my life. It's fucking awful. And she's just playing with this water bottle.

She turns very childlike in this moment. Can you imagine being Dido though? This is why no one should ever create anything. Because at some point, it's just going to be sung by a lunatic. It reminds me of, what was it, Chapman, of course, with Mr. Lennon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's, you know, again, it's inspiring. Yeah, but that, but I mean, if you'll remember, it wasn't Lennon that had to deal with that stink.

It was Todd Rungren. Rungren, that's right. Well, after a couple of minutes of sitting in silence, Jody started farting around the room like a little kid. Doing a handstand against the wall for 30 seconds after she rummaged through the garbage can behind her. Wow. Then she spent a little while smelling her hair before singing again. This time going for a Christmas Carol in June. Holy night, the stars are brightly shining.

This is the day I'm about to say goodbye. You know, it does kind of put you in the Christmas spirit, though, doesn't it? It does. There's something about the childlike aspect of her personality. Because it shows that in her mind a little bit, all of this was going to be cleared up. Yeah. This was just her hanging out. They're going to go in and say, you obviously didn't do this.

You're too cute. Right. You sing too well. You are just, there's no way a little girl would ever do this. She was playing on this concept in my mind. Yeah. And now she's left to her own devices and we kind of see this sort of like a kid waiting for her parents to fucking come out of the store like that. Bullshit.

Like this kind of childlike time killing activity that it's a defense mechanism. It's obviously her showing being like, I don't care because I'm obviously not guilty of this crime and no one's going to pin this on me. I wonder if she knew she was on what I guess closed circuit television. Did she was this performative or was this like, I don't think she would have done this with a camera or without a camera. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure. You have to know you're being monitored in there.

There has to be a camera. I'm not able to see it on some level. Yes. I mean, I, I feel like we know because we've watched a lot of security cam footage, but I don't think that she necessarily knew. So it's, that's why it's interesting. Right. Because it seems like she's doing this. I think she might not have known.

Yeah. I don't think she did. This was something else. This is an interior thing where she, it was self calming the song, the song, the singing was self calming activity. And then the rest of it was just to show how little she was concerned with what was happening. Now, after all of this evidence was presented to Jody, it became very obvious that she'd need a story that placed her at the scene, but absolved her of responsibility. If she, of course she wanted to avoid the death penalty because this is fucking Arizona after all. Right.

So this is going to be a tricky tale. She'll have to spend here. So when Detective Flores brought her in again almost three weeks later, she'd had plenty of time to think of another story. And in the tradition of Casey Anthony, this one was a cinematic whopper on par with the most cliche of crime dramas. She said that what had actually happened was that she had taken a 400 mile detour on her way to the prepaid legal conference in Salt Lake City to see Travis after he called begging for her to come. Sure. And she also added, like, I declined at first, but he was so insistent that I ended up relenting and going. And then you look at the text and it was just her being like, I can always pop in and see you and Mesa.

And Travis was like, nah, it's cool if you don't. Like, it's like, are you like, like, don't. Yeah. Like, don't come. And she said she showed up in Mesa at 4am and slept until 1pm, at which point they had sex and took all the nude photos at around five. Jody said she suggested taking more pictures of Travis in the shower. But after she started, he wanted to stop because in his words, quote, I feel gay. And that's why that's why he let that was her explanation for why he looked like he did in the shower.

And the reason that it's on his face that we talked about last episode is because he said that he felt gay. Was it because she was staring at her butthole? I mean, I just don't really understand it because you just had sex with the lady. That's the opposite. Well, he probably didn't say that. No, he definitely didn't say that because it doesn't make any sense. But as Jody was telling Detective Flores the story, she suddenly stopped, put her hand over her mouth and wept. And here's where the doozy begins.

Yui yui yui yui yui yui yui yui yui yui yui. Well, she said that she was looking through the photos she'd taken of Travis in the shower when she heard a bang just before she was knocked to the floor. She then looked over at Travis and saw that he was bleeding from a gunshot wound to the head. And when she turned around, she saw a man and a woman wearing ski masks, gloves and long-sleeve black shirts. She said she got up and tried running for the closet to hide. But the man with the gun grabbed her and held the gun to her head while the woman walked over to Travis and stabbed him over and over and over again. Now, of course, Jody couldn't help but make herself the tiniest bit of a hero in her own story. So she said she broke free from the dude somehow,

ran down the hallway and charged the woman so hard the assailant was knocked off her feet. She said she then grabbed Travis's arm and started pulling him up so they could run. Come on Travis, let's go, let's go. But Travis told her, I can't feel my legs, I can't feel my legs. And at that point, the devious duo reappeared. And when the woman went to stab Jody, the man stopped her saying, quote, That's not why we're here. He then grabbed her purse, found her ID, and supposedly said, quote, You're that bitch from California. If you ever say anything about this, we'll do your family the same way. He then told her to leave, so she grabbed her purse and fled without calling the police or any of Travis's friends. Oh, just in time to make it to the prepaid legal.

She said specifically that it was like the Sopranos, which seems to me in my mind means that's where she got the idea from. Yeah, it sounds like it. There was one attorney that talked about the story symbolically. There is an almost Jungian unconscious level to this story where she projected two versions of her personality into reality that she told this an allegory over her own inner struggle as she was murdering Travis. And she projected it, which is why it allowed her to have what she believed to be a semblance of truth telling behind her own voice. So we're true pathological liars. There is a weird emotional center to the lie that you're saying because you indeed felt the push and pull of those two ninjas that you have created in your mind.

Right. Well, that happens all the time in Mesa. There was a massive spat of ninja home invasions. I remember that. Now, besides the fact that all of this negates even the simplest of Jody's alibis, including the eerily calm voicemail message left that night and the emails and the text that she sent in the days that followed. It was also totally implausible. It was a stupid fucking story. Yes, it was. But Jody stuck with it for about two years and even wrote an 18 page letter to Travis's poor old Mormon grandmother outlining both her relationship to Travis and his brutal murder at the hands of two mysterious acquaintances. P.S., here's a picture of my butthole. Oh, this is wonderful. The last time I saw my butthole, I was falling down the stairs. Jody, we're going to see is a bit of a propaganda minister on her own stories. And this starts, she kind of has this sort of culture war to use.

But in the letter, she added a couple of dramatic details, saying that actually the man had pulled the trigger when the gun was to my head, but it misfired. And actually, the woman had stomped on my bare feet, but I heroically ignored it. Soon after her rest, though, Jody found herself to be, as she figured she would be, the next hot American crime story in a country that was about to reignite its love of true crime after it sort of got burned out on the whole thing after O.J. Simpson. Now, I didn't realize this, but while both murders occurred in 2008, Jody Arias actually murdered Travis Alexander six months before Casey Anthony murdered her daughter. And if you want to look for the beginning of the current national true crime boom, I think you have no further to look than these two cases coming right together. Absolutely. Nancy Grace's involvement in both her inability to say the word digital. How many times she says the digital picture. That's a cute little way to say it, though. Immediately, Jody tried controlling the narrative concerning the story by doing as many television interviews as she could, which is a defense lawyer's absolute worst nightmare. Yeah, according to Wormie Nermy, that was the first thing he just did when he was staking her out before meeting her for the first time.

It's like he could tell that she started doing these TV interviews obviously against all advice. And so he's like, oh, this is going to be a person that is difficult to work with. What about shielding yourself with fame? Where it's like you make yourself famous and then, you know. I mean, we'll see. It worked for Casey Anthony, but it does not work in this case. But Casey Anthony never gave an interview. No, Casey Anthony was technically more devious. Yeah, Casey Anthony was technically a lot smarter, and that's why she got off. Oh my goodness.

And no pictures of her butthole. And I've been scouring and scouring and scouring and scouring. She never said yes to the hustler deal. They were going to give her 500k to show her buttholes. She didn't do it. Well, and all you had to do was pee on your ankles. In Arias' first interview, she maintained her innocence while slowly chipping away at Travis' credibility. Because after all, if every single one of Travis' friends say that Jody's an awful obsessive psychopath, then she had no choice but to counter with the claim that Travis had secretly been a terrible person the whole time. For example, she didn't mention the intruders at all in her first interview.

Instead, over a terribly boring 20 minutes, she talked about her relationship with Travis, his obsession with her, and how much she loved photography. She is such a boring fucking person. God damn. But you also see that it was before she thought the cameras were on, asking for makeup again. Doing the thing where being like, can I freshen up and they brought her makeup and they film the whole thing as she's laughing and smiling. And this is before she even tells the first round of the story. This is her just being like, Travis was just, he just had so much blood that I think some of it just popped out of it. It just popped out. Yeah. But the next interview was with Inside Edition, the first big national piece on the crime.

And Jody went all in when it came to the intruder story, which we can hear in a thankfully edited version of her tale. What really happened in there? In a nutshell, two people took Travis' life, two monsters. You did not shoot Travis. No, I've never even shot a real gun. You did not stab him 27 times. I've never, that's heinous. Or slit his throat from ear to ear.

I can't imagine slitting anyone's throat. No jury is going to convict me. Why not? Because I'm innocent and you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me. Yikes. If you ever have to utter the sentence, I did not, I did not slit his throat. I did not slit it ear to ear. It's like someone wronged. I don't know if you did or you didn't, but something went horribly wrong in your life.

Now Jody's main adversary during the trial was tiny attorney Juan Martinez. He's not that tiny, he just can't wear a proper suit. It's just everyone keeps calling him a tiny attorney. It's not hopefully, but it's just he's got a, his suit does not fit well. That'll make him look like a tiny attorney. It's really nice here, as you can tell, my defense attorney Dorf on lawyers. Oh, a little Dorf. Conway, Tim Conway.

Well what Martinez, he was, I don't know, he had an extremely high conviction rate. I mean, he had 300 cases under his belt and he won the majority of them. He's a very aggressive prosecutor and he was known for being very, very aggressive. Maybe something to do with the fact that everybody kept calling him tiny. So that's why he's got extra eye rate. It seems to happen to smaller people. As far as who Jody's attorney was, she was saddled with the unfortunately named Kirk Nermey, a tall and rotund public defender who was court ordered to represent Arius even after he had quit because he was starting his own private practice.

He was trying to get out of this case for a long time. According to him, he was trying to get out of this case for a long time. And I don't know why. It sounds like a nightmare. It was at the very beginning because he didn't realize how high profile it was going to be. According to him in the book, it sort of is this like run-of-the-mill thing. And then he watched the Inside Edition and he was like, oh, no. This is actually going to be very difficult.

If you're a defense attorney out there, side stories, LPOTL at gmail.com, what do you do when you know the person you're defending is guilty? He says in his book, this is the first time I really saw the defense attorneys, the other side, correct me if I'm wrong, defense attorneys that are listeners, but he said when you get handed a capital trial, that in his purview and what they were talking about in terms of the state, the goal for the defense is just to save the defendant's life. They're just trying to not get her killed on the electric chair.

And so they're looking for a first-degree murder. They know that more often than not, they're going to be convicted of the crime that they're up against, but they're just trying to keep them from the chair. Sure. Now around the time that Jody's upcoming trial started getting national attention, an ex-boyfriend named Matt McCartney came bounding out of the past to either take another shot at love or to capitalize on Jody's newfound fame. I'm here, Jody, and also, here's a dove!

Whoa! You brought this all the way through security? Existing in Jody's life between the gas station vampire and the 40-year-old chain-smoking alcoholic, Matt McCartney was a practicing magician who became Jody's most ardent supporter, of which there were many. And when I say practicing magician, I mean like chaos magician, he did rituals and all that sort of shit. He was the gas station vampire's roommate,

and when they moved to a different town and Jody moved with them, she started dating Matt McCartney, which of course the gas station vampire didn't like, and the whole thing blew up. Oh my goodness, what a fight. You could see how she traded one drama for the next, where she was just kind of like a little too sophisticated for Matt McCartney and this other guy, because now she's like dating this big, upwardly mobile dude over at Prepaid Legal, who's a motivational speaker, and she's the one, she'd already decided that's my husband.

These were her two, because she had her own little legion of fuckboys as well, not as thorough as Travis, because you'll find out that throughout this whole conversation, after they had broken up, Travis was sexting with like four people. It wasn't just her. Right. She kept shit pretty tight, but she'd use them piece by piece. She would use them as her little collection of ghouls. I mean, there's nothing more motivational than being a vampire gas station worker,

than being a gas station vampire. That man's very motivational in his own way. But think about a gas station vampire, and then you have a, a technically convenient store magician. Yeah. The gas one roommate, that's the whole fucking strip mall diversion of Fantasia. Sounds like a fun town to me. Concerning Jodi's supporters, she wasn't getting much traction or support with the intruder story.

And besides, I'm willing to bet that Kirk Nermey pointed out the numerous holes in Jodi's first narrative, that would have easily sunk the whole case as soon as it went to trial. Right. So Jodi changed tact completely, admitting that she had in fact killed Travis Alexander, but had done so because Travis was supposedly a physically and sexually abusive Mormon monster. Oh. She said the reason why she kept her involvement in the murder a secret for two years, was because she loved Travis,

and she'd invented the intruder story to protect his reputation as a nice Mormon boy. Oh my God, thank you so much. That's so sweet of you to do that. She, it is interesting to see her tactics change with him. Because Kirk Nermey was, they were talking about, because that is the truth, because their first meeting was like, Wormie Nermey was like, this is all bullshit. And she's just like, no, it's not, yeah, yeah.

And then they had a piece together of this other story, because then Kirk Nermey, for some reason in the book, hits her with this kind of, he looked at her and he said, you appear to be a textbook victim of sexual assault. He had this whole thing where we're going to start building this story of what your parents did to abuse you. Like what Casey Anthony did with her parents. Yes, and we're going to start with the parents, because he started the whole story, but then she's like, but actually maybe it's because

Travis used to hand me into And he's, now he's like, okay, that's something I can maybe work with here. Right, sure. So once Jody decided to further destroy a man, even after she'd killed him, the smear campaign began. In the summer of 2010, two years after the murder and two years before the trial, Kirk Nermey received an anonymous email full of handwritten letters, supposedly in Travis's hand.

These letters, supposedly sent both to Jody and other people, were presented as Travis's confessions to what else but pedophilia, physical abuse, and sexual deviance, conveniently outlined in the clearest manner possible. Could have done without that. Thank you. You've already stabbed me 30 times. You know what I've noticed about pedophiles too, that are Mormons and are like deeply like have a whole business establishment

and they're all based upon the reputation. They always like to put it in writing. Always like it. They really like to tell everybody explicitly all of their most dirty fantasies and openly, and they love to send letters to their parents and to their supposedly adoptive Mormon parents about it as well. Pedophiles don't hide in the dark. They really don't.

They're very open. They brag about it. In the Jody letters, Travis allegedly owned up to hitting her in the face and asking her to wear little boys' briefs during sex, all while saying that he believed that marrying Jody was the only way to erase his deviant urges. It's truthfully, dog meat, you can talk shit about this all the time, but that's the ultimate way to stop being a pedophile is to marry a woman. Sure.

But Jody wasn't the only recipient of these so-called confessions. Travis also supposedly sent letters to Chris and Sky Hughes, who had originally been host to Jody and Travis' relationship, to tell them that he could easily molest Chris and Sky's child. You always brag. You always do that. Because that's how it's been like, your kid, let me tell you this, your kid wants to be molested so bad, I might as well just come over there

with a little stool for him to get up to my dick. And you're like, whoa, why are we, why did you send this? Thanks for the letter. Now the individual words were taken from Travis' old journals that Jody had stolen at an earlier date. And a handwriting expert surmised that Jody had meticulously cut out and rearranged the words to make Travis sound like a pedophilic sexual monster. And this is part of, to this day, a very deep world of Cajody-Arius conspiracy theories

that say that the Mormon-run cops are the reason why these letters were not allowed to be introduced to the court nor as evidence. But if you look at it, they had two reasons why not to believe it. Number one, they found a sample of Travis' handwriting in Jody's cell. And an example of her trying to copy his handwriting over and over again. And again, this also came from a series of goons that Jody had, the way to describe it, it's really strange. She used to get magazines from the commissary and then write secret messages

in the, like next to the articles. Like she'd write these like little bits of words that would formulate a sentence as you flip through the magazine. And she'd send it out through jail to various, mostly men, that had crushes on her from jail and watching her on the news. So we're writing letters and saying like, how could I help? What can I do? And they're like, she organized all of this shit from within jail,

like the fucking godfather. Send it to people come and put false evidence into play from the outside. Damn. Alright. She's fucking cold. Yeah, actually, we do have one of those messages that she sent out that was put together out of what, five or six, maybe seven different magazines. This was to Matt McCartney.

This was to her ex-boyfriend. You fucked up. What you told my attorney the next day directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year. Get down here, ASAP. See me before you talk to them again and before you testify so we can fix this. Interview was excellent. Let's talk ASAP.

Oh my god. But I mean, there's no way that she would talk to Matt without being recorded, right? Yeah. Because she would be doing this in jail. Yeah, man. Because she knows all of this. It's weird. Again, it's a, I'm going to use the term, Robert Angton Wilson term, reality tunnel.

She is in a tunnel of this. She believes that no matter what, as long as she feels validated on the inside of why she, because she's always like, she's in this mental game. She's trying to figure out how can I feel okay with the shit that I did and what's going on. I have to validate it deep inside so hard that I believe my own bullshit. Right. So in a way, all of this stuff is almost done.

I want to say like, it's almost like automatic writing where so deeply compartmentalized that she just is doing this shit. It's like the right hand's doing all of this shit and pumping it out while the left hand and her face are doing all this other bullshit that I'm saying the opposite. And this isn't the only weird shit that was going on while Jody was in prison waiting for trial. Remember, all this happened in Mesa, Arizona and back in 2010, Mesa was still under the rule of the infamous fascist sheriff Joe Arpaio, who as we all know, Joe loved making a splash

when it came to the treatment of inmates. Yes he did. Now most of the time Joe captured to just plain torture, forcing inmates and undocumented immigrants to live in tents and 130 degree heat in between forced chained marches through the desert wearing nothing but pink underwear and flip flops. But when it came to Christmas 2010 and a high profile inmate, Arpaio tried the other end of the spectacle spectrum and dressed up his detention officers as a bunch of Santa clauses and organized a talent show with the female prisoners that had a top prize of a turkey

dinner and a stocking full of presents. That's a pretty sweet top prize to be fair. I mean I want a turkey dinner. Yeah turkey dinner, very good. Tryptophan's a lie by the way, doesn't make you tired. I mean tryptophan's not a lie, the idea that it makes you tired is a lie. Yeah I think the amount of food that you eat and Thanksgiving is what makes you tired. It's all the whiskey.

When it was all said and done, Jody Arias had beaten 50 other inmates by singing the same song she'd sung in the interrogation room when she was first faced with all the evidence that she had in fact murdered Travis Alexander. And the whole thing was caught on tape. You can just see all the judges turning around in their chair just to be like I think you're it. Bow. Bow.

Bow. Bow. That's a no for me dog. Alright. Get out of here. Wow! Shut up! Shut up!

I thought you were gonna do the butt hole trick. You're just singing? Okay. Honestly it would be incredible if she had bent over in front of the microphone, singing the song and then if her butt hole moved to the words of a holy night because it would be really fun it plays on the word holy as well she's getting funny with it that's not sexual that's a pun joke and when the trial first got rarer to go jody tried like many narcissists do to represent herself but her complete

lack of experience meant that she was stuck with wormy nermy and he was stuck with her he hated working with jody areas the way he spoke about it I mean who knows at the time because he said the first thing that she tried to do her first tactic was to be flirty with him right and what we know about kasey anthony is that kasey anthony said had the same track with her defense attorney but it worked she really was seducing him and that's the reason why I think it's also part of the reason why she got off because he was working really hard to try to see the chuch because he needed to see the chuch and you do anything

possible right but Kirk Nermy he hated all the shit but one chapter of this book again don't read the book there are three he wrote three books each one is 300 pages long and in one chapter he talks about digging up and trying to find all of the people that jody was sending messages through through magazines and then it goes into this part he's like that's not the only story about Las Vegas I have I was getting close with a particular co-worker named Jennifer who was married but she never invited her husband along the trips and I tell you I took that as a message so Jennifer she actually invited me to go

to an air supply concert now tell you there's air supply is one of those cut one of those bands and people no one will admit to being a fan of but I tell you what you go to see one of those concerts and you're transported to a place that only your supply can take you to Jennifer was but Jennifer had was married and him and Jennifer could never really even though she was sending him signals or he thought she was sending him signals but now he knows that they are happily married and he needed to look on himself and wonder why he was looking for signals from a married woman absolutely wormy Nermy happy you put

that in a book about Jody Arias when the trial finally got started four years after the murder it became obvious that both the defense and the prosecution were gonna make sex a central piece of their argument for the prosecution this was about good sex gone bad a tale of revenge jealousy and obsession that ended in murder murder for the defense it was about an easily manipulated poor little girl who was forced into regular oral and anal sex because her Mormon bow believed that the mouth and the butthole were less sinful orifices than the vagina see I feel more sins come out of the mouth than any other hole

I don't know the defense claimed in open court that on the day of the murder Travis had forced Jody to drive all the way to Mesa then it forced her to take the photos before forcing her into anal sex while she leaned over his desk which ended in him ejaculating on her back all said in open court God spicy shit this is why I brought the beer again juror number seven we're gonna have to take these beers from you yeah yeah take them out of my cock cuz I already drank this is the only jury we could find this is the only man that said that he believed Jody areas could be innocent the most sober man in Mesa then well she was

later taking photos in the shower at Travis's request because he was in quote peak physical condition for cancun got a supermoralizing the nicest thing she said about him she acts well keys that's what he told her he's like I'm in peak physical condition babe I'm fucking looking the best I ever looked take some pictures of me got pumped I got pumped before the pictures let me just wait let me do a couple setups tea dogs ready tea dogs camera ready let's take a look at it well she said that after taking the picture she accidentally dropped the camera which sent Travis into an

uncontrollable rage that Jody made sound like was a common occurrence she said he picked her up and body slammed her and going off instinct she claimed to have run for the gun that she said Travis kept in his closet which just so happened to be the same type of 25 caliber pistol that had been stolen from her grandfather coincidence she said that when she pointed the gun at Travis she didn't mean to shoot but the gun just went off and that's when her memory went foggy she said she had no memory of stabbing him almost 30 times and no memory of slicing his throat ear to ear she said what snapped her out of the

fog was the clink of the knife hitting the floor and when she saw what she'd done she screamed next thing she knew she was driving west barefoot and covered in blood with no memory of how she got there that I think is the truest thing she said so far you can just see her talking to the jury that she'd be like did you know guns they have this trigger and if you pull it the bullet just comes out fucking Mesa, Arizona we all knew that we all have guns and the entire crowd pulls out guns AK-47s out of a woman's babush gun ship the in and of itself this case would be interesting even without the raunchy details but

what made this case a national obsession was the wildly explicit testimony that seemed to be a daily fixture of the Jodi areas trial and trying to establish that Travis was a deviant Kirk Nermey used dirty text messages in his cross examination of detective Flores noting that Travis often called Jodi a quote three-hole wonder but he only ever called her to use the three-hole wonder statement a lot but he only called there a three-hole wonder the one time that's also isn't that like the isn't that the last hole in a mini golf course I didn't know that she genetically had a windmill and built in front of her pussy keeps it

nice and dry but detective Flores fired right back using an example of a communication Travis made in which he felt Jodi was the one using him sexually making him feel like quote little more than a dildo with a heartbeat that's where he was gaslighting her though there was a period of time you can see in these emails he does obviously lead her on like he keeps engaging and engaging even though she as we said last episode she's a habitual fucking line stepper she keeps doing all of this fucked up shit he also keeps going back he's sending late-night sex he's saying all of this stuff about how your God's

perfect whore I'm gonna use you like the genetically built slut that you are and she's going I'm gonna go I can't wait to see you tonight and you're gonna shoot a fat juicy little in my face you promise and he's just like yeah yeah alright well there's nothing wrong with sexting someone you're having sex with every now and again but the thing is is that she was doing all of this other fucked up behavior like breaking into his Facebook slashing his tires breaking into his house stealing money doing all of this bullshit but apparently one weird thing that I didn't know was it Travis actually had a lot less money

than he thought he is he'd lost a bunch of money he had yeah but was actually borrowing some money from Jody to that she was kind of holding over him because at first he was bankrolling her and then she had to give him some money and then as soon as she started giving him money that's when things started getting like dark yeah sounds like he's in a very abusive relationship yeah it's all fucked up well during the trial they even got into Travis's sexual history with other women bringing in the Kevin Costner loving ex-girlfriend to admit that her claim that Travis was a sex maniac came from her own childlike

understanding of how and why a penis became too messent because you had one Martinez up there going like now did you you didn't understand how a penis becomes a too messy gets big yeah and tiny attorney cuz it's like imagine me imagine my penis is about half as tall as I am he does get big it does and it's like a rageful big but I don't like about a penis is that why can't it just be small and you're like sometimes it doesn't get that big these people are very immature in many ways it seems oh well they live in the Mormon bubble you know like that's something that is very very real that a lot of these Mormons

live in kind of a they live in a world outside of the one that we live in you know it's very it's very innocent it's very safe but it's not it's not real air quotes air quotes because that's the problem is that what you find out is that when you create a constant fake exterior of bland normalcy that often serves as a smoke screen for abuse and all of his other bullshit within the world of the Mormon community so that's the the lack of sex education within the community becomes weaponized if there's a way for it to do because then what you do is when you have people that are willfully manipulating the rules on

their own because they maybe you have higher standings within the church you look at these this poor woman thought that she thought that Travis could just make his hard penis go away I heard it was full of Skittles the piece de résistance of the whole trial though was the fact that Jody Arias herself testified in her own defense which rarely happens even in trials dealing with much smaller offenses much less trials involving a fucking capital murder charge you never put a capital murder suspect honor on the fucking stand you're putting a murderer in a chair in front of everybody and then you wonder and you

wonder what how it's gonna work out an accused murderer but she was already saying she did it yeah the defense was that she was a murderer but she murdered for good reason big if true did she drop any of that she did you gotta drop some big of truth he did do that well that's big of true yeah well she is true yeah that's why it's big are we still talking about boners I have to go hate the word to mess it oh no my magic underwears are getting all Jody insisted that she had to tell her story her way so she spent a nearly unprecedented 18 days on the stand smearing Travis enlisting every sexual thing they ever

did while framing all of it in the most criminal light possible just the constant cuts to Travis Alexander's parents as they just try to be stone-faced so she's like and that was the second time we had anal sex and I knew that he enjoyed it because of his groans and his grunts on me and then some of his ejaculations were just the only way I would describe it which is so ropey that I felt like I was a toaster strudel yeah well I'm just so happy you're taking the stand there Jody you're number seven can you stop masturbating please thank you but what I loved was she has her whole beginning layout where Kirk

Nermey in her telling her old story oh then Juan Martinez comes out tiny lawyer so upset the first thing he does he shows a picture and he's just like let me let me ask him his area some this is a picture of you and your dumb sister and she's like what and she's like your dumb sister and she's like what do you say to me you yourself you categorize your own sister as dumb didn't you in this email where you said oh I'm off doing this trip with my dumb sister so wouldn't you concur that this is your dumb sister he comes in fucking hard and she is but she's damn she is the most obnoxious person I just what about the

sister that's just sitting there I don't firmly understand how people can sit like I feel so bad for Travis's parents yeah I don't think that I could sit there I really like you watch you should try to sit and watch I watched some of it I mean three hours total I was like my eyeballs are gonna fall out of my fucking head I don't see how I mean you see those videos sometimes especially if like a pedophile or something is being charged and the parents are there like I I get it when they jump over the fucking I don't know if I could honestly I don't think I could sit there for 18 days and watch this chick who I know

killed my my son no I flip out well the story Jody told was that she'd been put upon sexually from the very beginning from the moment Travis met her at a Starbucks gave her a copy of the Book of Mormon and followed it up with a request for oral sex damn in her version of the relationship Travis forced her into anal sex the day of her baptism because only traditional in her course was a sin which we've learned that is not true apparently not after that it was sex on the hood of the car sex with Travis while he wore designer suits and sex with Jody dressed as a schoolgirl all of which probably happened sure but

she's painting it in this light of he made me do it he made me do all this then there were the text messages Travis sent like this one quote you'll rejoice in being a whore that sole purpose in life is to be mind to have animalistic sex and to please me in any way I desire yeah can we have sex like lemurs I've always wanted to have sex like a lemur how do they have sex well the weirdest thing they did was when Travis used one of those big-ass Tootsie rolls as a dildo until it melted into Jody's vagina and that happened it came up during the recorded phone sex conversation where he's like remember when I use the

Tootsie roll on you just cut to his roommates just be like man your tootsie roll tastes a little weird what's going on here honestly I love these new Tootsie rolls love them so much something familiar about them yeah but the interesting thing about that taped phone conversation is that both sides used it to bolster their arguments the defense used it as an example of Travis's deviance particularly his statements that Jody sounded like a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm in addition to his fantasy of tying her to a tree and quote putting it in her ass all the way now I will say when he's after he came

when we had to listen to that entire sex tape right when you're sitting in court and you do listen to it and you hear her going like a super fake orgasm and you hear him go right and he finally he finally shoots it and when he says oh you sounded like a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm I know that that's really very disgusting yeah it's very very bad but it does sound like she was building this fantasy from within and that they were going back and forth with the shit and then she just happened to record this cop this fucking conversation in order a way to bury his ass on some level like she was already

threatening to release tapes eyes yeah because the prosecution pointed towards Jody Jody's reactions which were a time and again super horny like everything that he said she reacted very positively to right but she did however admit that she fakes the orgasms claiming that she needed two hands to make herself skoosh and she couldn't have done it while she was holding the phone speaker phone that said no speakerphone what he said no speakerphone kiss all now well I mean okay she just made her skoosh no I know she could have just used speaker phone she didn't know okay well that's her fault it sounds like she was just

trying to get him on tape saying something disgusting so she could use it against him and embarrass him okay now all of this is of course terribly embarrassing and goofy but the vast majority of sex had by most people is embarrassing and goofy when looked at from the outside which is exactly why sex is usually a private and vulnerable affair I never want to hear any recording of the words I make before I ejaculate I don't want to ever hear what those words are because it's just going me mine my oh you yummy yummy like I don't want to hear really that's what you do I don't know what I say I blacked out but Jody

took that vulnerability the Travis had showed and being goofy and embarrassing and she used it for evil purpose calling him not only deviant but physically abusive as well further claiming that he at times body slammed her kicked her and broke her finger now Kirk Nermy did try as hard as he could to get the pedophile letters admitted but they were so obviously fake that the National Enquirer the trashiest paper in the world didn't take the bait when the letters were leaked are you kidding the National Enquirer didn't do this they put on the front page the Ted Cruz's father killed Kennedy and they didn't

take this responsible journalist well and someone had to tell the truth for once well instead of running a headline about Jody's pedophile nightmare they ran the truth that Jody had desperately tried to paint her former lover as a pedophile in an attempt to scam her freedom and of course when the pedophile letters weren't admitted Jody couldn't help but make up a story on the stand about walking in on Travis masturbating to a picture of a little boy wearing only underwear although it was obvious by this point that nobody was buying her line of bullshit well especially because tiny attorney one Martinez when he was

going through her journal he showed that on that day that this big huge thing that was the worst thing she'd ever experienced and she didn't ever recover for there was a text conversation that was incredibly boring about them trading cars so this is again they've been broken up for years and she they were broken up for almost a year and he was still like getting rides from him and it was this really mundane like exchange where it's like but I thought I was gonna pick you up yeah no I just get out of the car and you maybe use a good word Augusta got my buzz comb and then it was a journal entry that said

literally nothing of note today I had to refuse four dates from men that and so it never said anything about this bombshell I caught Travis masturbating to pictures you think she would mention that if she mentions every little detail especially because after she died she had put fake entries in her own diary as evidence she had already put in the moment that when she died she wrote an entry like like with the email and the voicemail that was like I hope Travis and I can work it out one day she I know that the it is this whole like fantasy that she was like I wonder where Travis has been I haven't seen him in a couple

of days and it's not like Travis to not answer my text I'm thinking this this chick is crazy that's what I'm I'm starting to think she's nuts starting to think this chick is a little bit crazy I just want to interview whoever you date next I legitimately just want to interview him we should all be able to sit in a room yeah with that person and deal with and just see you want to cross exam no I'll the next if I ever start dating again I'll make sure that you have to come on the date with me first yeah and I'll have a briefcase chain to like with a handcuff to my list you won't know what it is and I'll say it's my

documents and then I'm gonna put a sensor on her fingertips to see where her blood pressure goes very good but even though no one was buying the pedophile line Nermi continued to reach the point where he made perfectly innocent YouTube videos sound dirty by saying the title of the video out of context for example Travis loved two videos in particular called daft hands double speed faster better and drunk daft punk hard body faster stronger yep pedophile that day I don't think that proves it but okay but taking out a context these videos can sound weird and scary to a bunch of squares sitting on an Arizona

jury especially in 2008 when YouTube was not the ubiquitous media giant that it is now right but in reality these were just a bunch of videos from an innocent early YouTube fad in which people wrote the lyrics to daft punk's harder better faster stronger on their bodies and displayed the lyrics to match the singing it's fun it's fun hand stuff yeah it's just totally fine I completely remember that dude like yeah it sounds dumb it's not I mean I was kind of cool creative but it's one of those like little YouTube holes that you watch in order to go to sleep it's like me with just watching my same Norma Donald and

Bill Burr clips that I watch in order to sleep but I'm in hotel rooms yeah but Kirk Nermi made it sound like look at the deviant things that this man looks at on his free time I really I love I obviously love defense attorneys but some it's just it's it's it can get pretty nasty well when this man is this man is obviously a huge victim here he didn't know what the hell to do like Kirk Nermi was obviously kind of painted into a corner according to him and he was saying he was trying to get out the whole time right who fucking knows now one Martinez's cross-examination of Jody was of course a goddamn shooting

gallery which is why you never ever put your defendant on the stand no matter what because any halfway competent prosecutor is gonna fucking eviscerate him and Jody tried her best to elicit sympathy from the jury crying at all the appropriate moments in an attempt to make the tiny attorney appears if he was a mischievous gnome haranguing an abused woman don't subtweet my relationship with my wife I always like when I always like my prosecutors to dress like the lead singer of the cars I like I like my prosecutor to dress like the lead singer of talking heads multiple talking heads it's weird that I knew what you were

talking about though but he just goes at her and she is she is one person when Wormie Nermi is in front of her and you also know she shifts the bangs for the trial which helps her hide and it's like over the top with Sylvester Stallone when he takes his hat and he puts it backwards it's exactly the same oh my good she's had the bangs on which like little drapes with so and it covers up whatever is going on behind the eyes or what she's gonna do she does the same hand over the face going every single time that he says something that's remotely too over the line for her but with Kirk Nermi she's open and effusive

taking minutes minutes minutes explaining everything speaking speaking speaking with Juan Martinez she's very um budges on nothing yeah parcels over every fucking word fights it and doesn't look at him directly ever she only looks directly to the audience directly to the jury and then when he refers to her she stares at the table so that she would never make eye contact with him so she could do she was she thought that the performance was gonna help and I think if maybe she was just on the stand for one or two days it might have held something I might have done something right but then you start seeing the

tactics again and again every single time he got her in a corner she'd get frustrated and you see a flash you just see this fucking rage yeah that's the stabby Jody that we all know yeah I just feel so bad for the family of Travis and just sitting in this courtroom 18 fucking days of watching this chick who you know killed your killed your son or your brother or whatever I just I don't know how they can do that that it's hard it's so horrible yeah and then not to mention literally just it being trampled all over your son being trampled all over by media 24 seven who are making millions of dollars off it not to be

hypocritical because that's our we do a crude true crime show yes but like the way that the media covered it was just you know it's delicious and they were into it and people wanted it and especially after Casey Anthony so this was after her trial so I think that I'm almost certain that Jody was watching her trial from jail yeah and was trying to mirror the same tactics that she did Jesus that's so it's it's like yeah it's the the little world of celebrity serial killers where they get petty and they don't like one another like doesn't who hates like everyone like hated Bundy or something like that I well that's

man's a man's and call Bundy a poop but it's a poop but meanwhile Manson is just talking to Sirhan Sirhan about what they're having for lunch and they're guys cool he doesn't like Salisbury steak so I get extra Salisbury steak on Thursdays when Jody would cry on the stand especially when Juan Martinez was ramping up to the big finish he flipped it on her and he asked her were you crying when you shot Travis were you crying when you stabbed Travis and were you in fact the person who slit Mr. Alexander's throat from ear to ear well yes I was crying when I stabbed Travis and when Jody had no choice but to say

yes I was the person who slit his throat from ear to ear the whole thing fell apart because the whole thing hinged on whether the jury believed Jody believed you know whether or not she had credibility because all the evidence pointed towards towards her premeditatedly killing this man and also it's just the most boring shit in the world is really what ended up turning the tide as well as all of this shit about the gas cans yes whether all of this gas can bullshit about whether or not she had purchased three gas cans or do it because she was saying I always take gas cans because I try to get the

cheaper gas from California that's why I had them and not because I wasn't trying to not get a receipt from all these places but then judge point of contention when they say gas can are they talking about my but old sir but no one Martinez then had to go through all these receipts and do all this math and all this gas math and just gets to a point where it's like that's a rough day rough day for the jury number seven you have to wake up we're doing gas math yeah I tell you what you did some gas fucking calculus in the bathroom of the studio and then a little break that we just took well the whole thing yeah

I mean it's it it does show how boring most trials are because when you go online and check out the the articles from a legal perspective you know this one article described the gas can as one Martinez's Perry Mason moment like this is like it's like the parents that they said that is a direct quote this is his Perry Mason moment but all it is is he's proving that she bought a third gas can but then this is huge because it works towards her credibility and if her credibility shot then none of it's true and that's when the jury turns on her and he cuts to the jury and jury number seven has this like ping-pong balls like

painted like eyeballs like glue to the front of his lids while he's just sitting in the chair we know he's sleeping but it's better off if he does kind of funny I like that he does it yeah well it's weird I didn't know this this is something that's like specific to Arizona the jury actually has the chance to ask questions directly to the defendant no kidding yeah and among reasonable questions such as like you know why did you put the camera in the washing machine the court also allowed a few that were more abstract like do you consider yourself a pathological liar and one that I was very surprised the judge

allowed what is your understanding of the word skank I believe it is a dance one does to scott I want to thank Ian finance our friend who is reminding me scott exists every day every day the deer enclosed in arguments though none of that shit mattered four months after it began Juan Martinez laid out all the holes in Jody's case while Jody put her head down ignored the whole thing and doodled oh my god Kirk Nermy on the other hand reading the room said in his closing arguments that the trial wasn't about whether or not you like Jody areas because nine days out of ten he didn't like Jody areas no he was

being unkind because according to his bullshit he hated the entire time because one thing that she do is that she requested unlike any other any other client he'd ever had she would do two-hour meetings he's like normally this shit lasts for half an hour because it costs money but people I go in there and I have to schedule two hours with her because she talks about everything else but the current what the murder and she needed to be coddled every single way she talked about drama with her mom she talked about how she couldn't get things from the commissary couldn't do all this fucking bullshit and he was

gonna pull his fucking hair out geez so he became the boyfriend he became the boyfriend oh lucky guy in the end though he said all that mattered is if you believe the murder was in self-defense and if anything Jody areas was guilty of manslaughter and nothing more he's already setting himself up in his closing arguments to lose he's like yeah okay yeah I get it she's guilty of manslaughter so that's anything that's just manslaughter manslaughter people do it all the time men get slaughtered every day every day they get slaughtered you eat you eat a chicken sandwich you know what that chicken was slaughtered

after just 15 hours of deliberation the jury disagreed with Kirk Nermy's assessment and voted Jody areas guilty of burst-degree murder and during the sentencing phase which decided whether Jody got the death penalty or life in prison she gave a strange 19 minute statement in which she said she was sorry for killing Travis and that she planned to start a recycling program and a book club in prison all while donating her hair to cancer victims that's huge thank you for the hair thank you for the hair I mean it's the start of a horror movie when you have cancer and then you end up with Jody areas is hair

but also you forget 20 minutes after she was convicted 20 minutes she walked right in front of the camera and if you watch the interview from when she was murdered when she was first arrested and then watch the interview after she is convicted it is fucking wild did you can tell it's it's we're like a like a wait was absolutely not she was trying to be on the stump again but you can actually see it's something else it's something about the attention and it's something outside of the trial because then she gets to go and these people are fawning over her again she's not getting torn apart by one Martinez she's not

looking at the dead-eyed 12 jurors that fucking hate her dealing with the defense attorney that hates her she's not dealing with the judge sick of her shit and looking at all the murderers families she gets to sit in front of her a softball reporter after you just got convicted who's like are you sorry and she's just like sorry is a word that's got five letters you know what else has five letters is shame and you know what else is five letters is glory and you know what else has five letters doughnut you know what else is five lever five letters knife whoa whoa we actually did a lot of five letter words blood blood

well during your sentencing hearing after she talked about the book club and the recycling program and the hair she doubled down on the claim that she was a victim of domestic violence but went a little too far by showing off her charity merch oh my god which was a t-shirt with the word survivor printed on front that she brought to the sentencing trial and showed and said these are for sale check out podcast merch.com there's so there's so many opportunities to wear our merch at trial at court while serving jury even if you're the judge wear the shirt under your robe this is disgusting she is so

freaking nasty but she can't benefit financially like she can't sell these shirts it's for charity that's what she's saying is that it's for charity but it's a way to insert herself into the victim category even further without saying I'm a victim said like I'm supporting victims but I'm also a victim right now perhaps not surprisingly considering Jody's race gender and relative attractiveness the jury was deadlocked with eight voting for death and four voting for life in prison so per Arizona law the judge declared a mistrial concerning sentencing and the prosecution got a do-over the second

time the jury was deadlocked again 11 to 1 and in Arizona if two capital murder juries in a row are deadlocked the death penalty is taken off the table so Jody Arias was sentenced to life in prison without parole and that's the power of tits wow as far as the other players in the story go while Martinez damn near put the whole conviction in jeopardy by proving himself to be a real piece of shit yeah it turns out tiny attorney is a bit of a handsy attorney yeah god last year Martinez was disbarred amidst a flurry of credible

sexual harassment claims and that came in addition to an admission that he had had an affair with a blogger who was covering the areas case and he had leaked information to said blog so he was going with the turtle defense he was just trying to become just he wanted the suit to be so big he could just hide it yet Jody on the other hand has lost appeal after appeal and it's most likely that will be getting where is she now news pieces on Jody Arias every five years until either she or we die goodness continue to exist and exist until one day that we fade out and face

the unending blackness of the grave it is true and again not to beat a dead horse here but the heart goes out to the family of Travis that sucks this whole trial this whole media charade that just must have been frickin brutal and I don't think that they've talked at all right I couldn't find anything on YouTube in my no eight searches that I did what Travis's parents oh no no I've never seen them do an interview very private I don't think that just devastated I mean everybody was it's really it's like it's just a horrible horrible mess Travis Alexander never should have hurt her and never should have gas let her

and let her on but that's no excuse ever to stab so the master on her head is not really excuse but he you just if you're in a toxic situation you just got to find a way out I don't know how you say that I don't know how you'd be like how do you get your friends like I think we've said this before like your friends or if your friend is in one of these situations you got to try to get them out they tried they told them not to victim blame really they didn't really though no they they all everybody belittle the entire situation because a thing of a lot of it's got to do with the weird Mormonism like thought patterns

it's so much easier not to kill someone like I don't know yeah all you have to do is not all I think the friends were just like yeah it's just why would it is out of it's most likely not gonna happen to anyone that we know and so I don't think the friends would even comprehend that it could happen and then I don't know who knows anyway I could see several several of my friends I could see no one's getting it's no one's dying we made a rule no dying for a decade yeah yeah no one's allowed to die for a decade any one of them were one more yeah that was made last year so with nine more years we have to stay alive yeah right by by a

rule yeah and that includes everyone who's listening thank you all so much for listening to the series on Jody Arias I know she was covered a lot in media but I think that we learned a lot of new details and a lot of interesting things yeah good you know by the law of averages one of our listeners will not survive this week I don't want you to talk anymore no it's actually weird you are actually now you are in free speech jail just for being sad hey welcome man we're bunkmates yeah you guys are bunkmates lonely I don't have any friends anymore but I wrote a journal of my own shit Marcus yeah yeah Marcus just

scratching the word die into his arm all right no it's death it's not die it's death it's an obsession with death that is developed this year cool that's just so healthy Marcus hey at least he's saying it out loud at least he is that matters all right everyone well thank you so much for listening hope you're hanging in there it does seem weird to plug merch at this point so I already did it you already did it in a perfect perfectly placed yep position so thank you all so much for listening hope everyone is hanging in there and surviving the best you can we shall get through this and we will be on the road

in Omaha Sunday we are playing the street corner one day at a time sweet Jesus I'm asking you better than Jody Arias we had to get through this one day at a time so hail yourselves everyone hail Satan again Magusta lesions give a hell me if you can afford it they can afford it we've got an extra house out here the nice thing about hailing someone is it's free to do unless unless we finally copyrighted unfortunately no we're never gonna do that no I think the word hail has been copyrighted by a whole mother group of people this show is made possible by listeners like you thanks to

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