Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 430: Adolfo Constanzo Part I - Room of the Dead
Episode Date: October 31, 2020This week we start a grisly new series on Adolfo Constanzo — drug dealer, serial killer, and leader of the deadly Narcosatanists cult.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Common...s: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0
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There hasn't been an episode in a long time that we've done we did it one last week
no I'm not talking about I am saying there's never been an episode there
hasn't been an episode in a very long time that hasn't has made me nervous
really like this episode is making me what how nervous what kind of nervous
like I'm about to go in amusement ride nervous or about our or our careers are
about to be over nervous no no no no no no we don't play those landmine games
with our comedy careers as much anymore the I feel genuinely nervous about the
subject matter yeah and about broaching this topic because it is very intense and
it's very real okay you don't want to piss these people off this I this is one
of the scariest topics to me we have covered in quite a long time who I'm
excited to get into it welcome to the show everyone this is the last podcast on
the left I am Ben with Henry and Marcus I have really I am extremely interested
for today's episode because you all have been talking about this like someone
like a father who finally got his child the Christmas gift he knows the child
wanted and I'm like what is in the box what's in the box no when my father
finally wrestled the Ghostbusters home from a woman that he saw the the back
loading dock at the Toys R Us when he wrestled it from her hands that is the
he was never proud that is literally looked at me with a scent of
resentment like he was trapped like he was put into a cage and the only thing
that could filter his eyesight ever again was sweet sweet luscious booze once
again you're confusing your childhood for the movie jingle all the way that is
the premise of jingle all the way that never happened all right well speaking
of something that definitely did happen today's topic the man's name is Adolfo
Constanzo and I'm pretty excited about it Adolfo Constanzo was a Cuban American
serial killer who either participated in or directed the deaths of at least 20
people in Mexico in the 80s and all this was done while Adolfo was leading a
cult dubbed Narco Cetánicos by the Mexican media even though Satan had
nothing to do with it he's got nothing to do with it when you say directed did
somebody come with a camera and like click like scene one and then they like
beheaded somebody what do you mean directed go rip that person to shreds
with your bare hands he executive produced it and also for those of you
that are immediately questioning yes Adolfo you can't is the Spanish version
of the name Adolf which according to oh baby names dot com Adolf which is still
in there it says origins Italian interesting and it says the characteristics
are authoritative powerful tough tenacious wealthy problem solver and
achievers well they forgot Nazi but that's interesting okay seem to be positive
attributes if you want to take over the world
instead of believers in Satan Constanzo led a group of outsiders and drug
traffickers that believed in the power of the magic that one could gain from
secretive Afro-Cuban religions such as Centuria and Palo specifically this cult
believed in the power of brutal human sacrifice as a way to tap into the other
worldly power of the dead who would then in turn protect the cults relatively
small drug cartel we're talking working human sacrifice rituals okay that
happened full-on like it's not this is not satanic panic this is not a bunch of
like you know what happened with the West Memphis 3 right this is not taking
an unusual crime scene and making it into some form of human sacrifice and
saying it putting a label on it like it's quote-unquote shadowy cult activity
sure this shit's the real deal and they really believe that it worked and there
are some people that say that there is concrete proof that this shit works
specifically Palo Mayan Bay and the powers that it has within which is why
it's most inner workings are still to this day completely secret damn now of
course the Afro-Cuban religions that Adolfo and his followers tapped into
are not in and of themselves evil just as a hammer or a screwdriver is not
innately evil not innately evil well if you try to I mean honestly a hammer and
a screwdriver are the two most annoying things to have because they don't work
together Marcus did you ever see the short Pixar it was Adolf the screwdriver
where screwdriver he made all of these nails go into these big like rounded up
camps right slowly but surely they would they made giant crucifixes with a
horrible horrible screwdriver or a hammer home invasion what you grabbing
first hammer hammer yeah but what about a good screwdriver through the eye if you
use a hammer to bash in a skull or use a screwdriver to gouge an eye the context
of the object changes significantly yes it does now when it comes to what type
of serial killer Adolfo Constanza was he still at the end of the day killed for
power like almost all serial killers do but while many serial killers kill
simply to exert power over other human beings Constanza was playing an entirely
different game sorry well it would you know what said is he never did say I'm
sorry oh that's not right his was still a game of power but it flowed both inward
and outward inwardly killing made him feel powerful and therefore more
confident in his actions both as a magician and as a fairly successful
drug trafficker outwardly the brutal nature of the killings exerted power
over his followers because he created an environment where if a member didn't
join in on dismembering a victim that member was likely to find themselves on
the ritual slab next yep remember that employees of the LPN yeah remember you
have to remember that because if you don't join in the human sacrifice ritual
once the podcasting gets to the human sacrifice ritual part I'm saying two
years just to keep our numbers up just know that everyone's gonna have to go
up sacrifice you know the way things are going yeah cut off a little toe just
get into it like the Spotify like quarterly meetings where all you have
to do is if you put the proper like clip art into the like this whatever the
slide project is that we got a fucking look at where our eyes glaze over you're
hired you're hired that's your job we're technically Travis all you have to do is
just shave a little toe off if the if the anarchists from Big Lebowski could
do it anyone can do it nihilists nihilists absolutely well what Adolfo
Constanzo is is what Square America thought Charles Manson was except Adolfo
Constanzo is that times a hundred who there is an important difference between
Constanzo and someone like little Charlie Manson was just making shit up as
he went along cobbling together bullshit from the Bible the Beatles and
Scientology it was scatting I agree with that that's on your tool belt
Constanzo however believed in established magical rituals with a
religious certainty that could rival the Pope's own Pablo Mayombe is a fully
developed religion that he is using effectively to me is the same as a
Catholic cult where it is he's trying it's not a hodgepodge of other
bullshits like what we saw with Heaven's Gate even Om Shinrikyo like the
idea of like patching together a mythos he had one and he used it to a high
effectiveness rate where he a lot of people believed that what he did was
really working and it had been working since he was a little boy so there was
some lower-level drug dealers that were accused of pedophilia found guilty and
then we just move them around Mexico
better spots is that what you mean when you say the pope of drug cartel leaders
we'll get into that later we'll get into that later well that belief that the
cult had that made them one of the most dangerous cults in history in fact Adolfo
Constanzo and his cult could loosely be compared to the Nazi Einsatzgruppen
Hitler's roving band of serial killers who were responsible for almost 200,000
murders during World War two because these weren't like unhappy nerds or like
weird strung out California vegans like this is not a cult made of like
necessarily like victims to me this is a cult made of other serial killers so
Adolfo Constanzo became the head serial killer of a group of very very violent
men it's like if Jonestown happened but everybody brought their own guns it is
interesting that you make a tangential relationship between California vegans
and cult members I don't know I think some people are just trying to get their
health back look at Penn from Penn and Teller look at him I hate skinny Penn I
know I do like him a little chubbier but he seems happy doesn't he does it he
seems very grumpy well he is grumpy he was grumpy when he was bigger it's hard
when everything is wrong but where the Nazis were fueled by hate the members
of Constanzo's cult were driven by something different entirely while they
believed in the magic with every fiber of their being they were still drug
traffickers and like every one of their ilk they were driven mostly by greed
that's because at the end of the day these Afro-Cuban religions are not
overly concerned with an afterlife or at least an afterlife is not the point
rather it's all about the here and now getting help on the earthly plane which
means some use it for good while others can use it for evil it's also highly
organized much like right hand path magic there's a lot of steps and there's a
lot of stuff that takes apprenticeship apprenticeships to understand and years
of study and years of practice to memorize the various rituals to memorize
the the various like because you have to speak to certain entities on the other
side you have to be like Anarchy and Magic I'm not I told Marcus I wouldn't
bring it up but you just did you just bring it up I you didn't tell me you
were gonna I asked you to not bring it up I know any just because the true
term it's necromancy they use necromancy quite a bit but in it but to me I
think Anarchy and Magic's more knocking magic is more on the money but it's more
boring where necromancy makes people go oh I understand why you asked him not
to bring it up Marcus right hand path magic that's also what Jeffrey Tubin was
practicing when he was jerking off on Zoom
is that the last fucking one please make it the last one no I haven't gotten my
response yet from from Samantha Bee so as soon as she responds I said that's
funny that I'll stop cruising for Tubin with Ben Kessel where he just it's him
telling all the different ways he's masturbated in other situations it's
the idea of practical magic okay Sandra Bullock Sandra Bollack of course
Hocus Pocus don't watch that movie again Hocus Pocus by the way very good we
talked about practical magic the movie yeah we're talking about practical magic
with Sandra Bollack yeah no I know but I was thinking about Hocus Pocus because I
would just watch that on TV the other day it's very similar in the sense that
they're all witches it's similar in the sense that they're witches alright let's
go on how can I reach you son you're gonna have to get a stepladder
now going by what Carolina was able to find for us in the actual Mexican press
the crimes of Adolfo Constanzo would never have come to light had he and his
cult not made one grave mistake they killed an American and they killed an
American with connections at that well it's interesting you mentioned how they
don't believe in an afterlife it seems strange that they would do human
sacrifice there was no there was no connection with some sort of afterlife
even though they were like just killing people there is an afterlife but they
just don't give a shit about it it's not the point I see okay they're way more
interested in how they're living now and what they can get at the you know like
other unlike other religions it's way more supportive of personal enjoyment and
living now living in the now it's not just preparing for the afterwards but
yes there is a spiritual realm which is why I talked about the Anarchy and
World so much is because it's this hierarchy of spirits and devils and all
of these other entities on the other side that you kind of join into the
tapestry of after you die well you brought it up again but on the other
hand even besides you know them getting caught because they killed an American
Constanzo and his crew would have never been even caught for that crime had
Constanzo not taken his followers belief to such a height where they stupidly
believed they were invincible which of course was their belief systems only
logical conclusion but as we get to that part of the story you'll see these
people were genuinely convinced that they were invisible to the police they
believe that they couldn't be caught and they couldn't be held and to see it be
so certain right it really speaks to the power of Adolfo Constanzo in the room
because that's the things you got to see him life over zoom he doesn't have the
same it's not the same grip you really got to be in a room okay sure now a lot
of this story might seem unbelievable but Edward Humes the author of our main
source book called buried secrets he put this story together based on the
testimonies of both surviving cult members and Constanzo's own family as
well as extensive research into the Afro-Cuban religions that Adolfo
Constanzo used for his own purposes okay that said Humes does admit to a little
window dressing and those former cult members are after all mostly psychopaths
themselves yeah but there's also no denying that there were mountains of
forensic evidence that backed up most of their claims as outrageous bloody
and gruesome as they might be so in this case you don't consider the cult
members to be victims of someone like a Jim Jones you don't consider them to be
what they're trying to say with the vow where they were all convinced by Keith
Reneary these people were complicit in a way that most cult members aren't is that
what you're saying well they started as clients of Adolfo Constanzo and then
eventually Adolfo Constanzo worked his way up were they drug dealers and then
they went in through that way or you'll hear the story okay yeah you'll have
to say it's let's say it's about half and half okay half and half now this
practice of what we'd call Zhizhin the story is pretty common amongst true
crime writers especially in the era in which buried secrets was written but in
this case in the case of Adolfo Constanzo it does seem as if truth was
indeed just as strange as fiction I will say this just so you know right now
this shit I don't think even the most hardened reddit atheist with all the
who just has a Richard Dawkins tattoo whatever imagine like you know because
everyone to say this shit isn't real you know people want to blow this off but
Palo Mayombe the subject itself is so intense and so kind of it's a hot
topic especially within the world of magic that you don't want to fuck with
it in any way shape or form so we here at last podcast and left are officially
not fucking with it what it is that we say we are not fucking with it absolutely
we are attempting to understand it yes as much as possible because I know it's
legitimate if you're a player out there who's listening call me because honestly
I got gophers and I always think I'm gonna get rid of your gopher I've been
thinking about maybe using some Palo Mayombe to get rid of my gopher have you
thought about putting your gopher's in little church outfits because nobody
likes to go to church and they're just gonna leave honestly you sound like it's
that's Natalie's for me she wants to reform them and train them and have them
be a part of our family and I was like no no no way I think we have to kill them
no gopher's are super cute did you learn nothing from Caddy Shack who cares so
without further ado let's get into the story of Adolfo Constanzo known to his
followers as El Padrino Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo was born in November of 1962
to a 15 year old girl named Delia Aurora Gonzales Del Valle who had escaped
the Cuban Revolution to settle in the little Havana section of Miami oh Miami
man oh I want to go back that must have been a crazy time
60s Miami the last time we were in Miami I just you feel your hips go inside
decide it's so fun down there of course that's why I hit puberty again during
JLo and Shakira's halftime performance indeed I love the salsa music I was there
it happened it was incredible it was it was it was enough of a scene where
Carolina like brought it up a few days ago like do you remember how Ben acted
during that show well Delpho ended up being the oldest of four children but
he would remain his mother's favorite for the rest of his life a mama's boy who
would still talk to his mother in a childish baby voice even after becoming
a dark wizard and drug trafficker who was responsible for almost two dozen
murders well no one wants to be heard doing either they're speaking to their
dog voice or speaking less you publicly make a character of it like his old
does for his Instagram stories to your dog no no no but I mean like but the
the voice that you sometimes put on to speak to your mother no one wants to
hear that what I don't want to talk to my mom yeah I don't put on a voice I
talked to my mother like an adult you think like this you think that you do
but ask people around you what it sounds like when you go hi like you have to
change a little bit because you are so deeply traumatized for your child mind
gates back to being a child maybe go hey mom
yeah you talk to your mom like their adults no you got a barker like a dog
but sometimes you got a fucking bribe or like a senator I do want to know what's
inside of your brain just getting the mommy issues unbelievable now from Cuba
Delia had brought a deep belief in a secretive afro-cuban religion called
Palo Mayombe similar to Santoria in its practice Palo Mayombe is among the
darkest and most mysterious of Caribbean folk magics as far as where those
religions come from Santoria and Palo Mayombe their origins were in and of
themselves dark when members of African tribes were taken to Cuba they brought
many of their gods with them and eventually those gods were mashed up
with the Christian iconography that was forced upon them in captivity there's a
concept called eminence that I was reading about in this very interesting
essay talking about the creations one of the most secretive parts of the
Palo Mayombe re worshiping service which is a thing called an nganga which
we're gonna get into but the one thing they talk about this concept of
eminence which is they believe their gods physically travel with them so when
they come with these icons their gods are literally that is their god
impersonated in these little in items they they make them physical to
physicalize them so they are a constant presence they are around them they're in
their their physical homes and they can look at them they speak directly to these
spirit gods now what they did is what when they showed up here when they showed
up here when we fucking forcefully dragged them here they came and they had
to hide it so what they understood which was what things like chaos magic
borrows nowadays is that you can put a a cover like a cover like an identity on
top of your god so you take these gods and then you attach them to similar
Catholic icons and similar Catholic saints and all these other things and
they'll fit within the Christian iconography so that it can be hidden
under the surface and then you know you're it's literally secret schools
thinking yeah you know that you're thinking in allegory but they think that
you're just doing a normal like Sunday church service interesting okay also can
you imagine what that great Caribbean potluck would be oh my god I had
evangelical midwestern potluck a lot of cheese I mean but me it was fine but my
god some good Caribbean potluck whoo well the most well-known of these
religions is Santaria which is a combination of Catholicism and the
beliefs of the Yoruba tribe of Nigeria polytheistic in its belief
structure Santaria calls upon a pantheon of deities called orishas each orisha
has a power over all forces of nature and all undertakings of man like a legua
the trickster who controlled the roads or chango the warrior who controlled
lightning thunder and fire you know I really wish that the trickster didn't
control the war with the roads it would make everything so much easier yeah just
get like the steady hand well the person who knows concrete isn't there some
entity better than the trickster to control the roads well it's because they
transverse between different states kissle I'm gonna winter in construction
season according to the trickster and the paranormal the reason why the
trickster gods are oftentimes associated with travel is because they move back and
forth between different layers of consciousness so they believe that
they're traveling represents being that's why they become gods of the road
like things like Hermes which is traditionally they are even though
Hermes was one of the more responsible of the trickster gods he was one that
is kind of like labeled as one because they teach you lessons while also
making you laugh they're the first edutainment I don't I would prefer a
steady your hand when it comes to the roads but okay well each god had
different powers and each god required a different animal sacrifice and after
each blood offering the corpse of the animal would be sprinkled with salt or
honey and laid before the image of the god that you were petitioning for your
own purpose at Santoria or at least a terribly simplified of it terribly
simplified because there is the one thing about all of these religions is
that it takes intense apprenticeship yeah and you have to be chosen from birth
and a lot of these things anything that you'd see according to every follow my
own by website I read they're all like anything you learn from a website is
fake anything that you see that says oh this is an initiation ritual they
believe honestly that most of that is probably staged for white people to come
go look at but the most part that this shit is on lockdown the actual like day
to day the granular details about how to perform these rituals are hidden from
outside of their inner community yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna like
figure out how to fucking do follow my own bay from listening to this stupid
fucking podcast well I don't like it I don't like the way that some websites
will troll you for going to them like I went to like how to become a serial
killer how to get away with murder which is mostly just about the TV show but
then you find our actual articles what and then so they'll be like one like
they don't kill anyone you know all that what and the last point that they
always make is don't search how to get away with murder you idiot and I was
just like well I'm just doing this for fun to research how to get away with
murder I don't want to murder but it's like you didn't have to be make fun of
me like that I'm so scared no I watched the true crime shows that's what I'm
saying I searched it on the Internet when you type in how to get away with
murder that's the thing that comes up in the trial you that's literally what
asshole that's exactly what I'm saying they're trying to say you're playing
4d chess with your people with after whatever bodies you're hiding I was
just saying I don't want to be trolled by the website I know I'm not actually
gonna murder anyone don't tell me I'm not gonna get away with murder because I
searched I'm how to get away with murder how you're gonna get rid of a body you
have two phones right now one is broken you can't seem to get rid of one of
them even though the information is easily transferable from the old one
to the new one ocean you get rid of a body in the middle of the freaking ocean
yeah but how are you gonna get the boat how are you getting the boat you got the cameras going to you
taking a uber first of all it's in your app because it's gonna bring your phones
with you the fucking you have to go to the fucking way we got to get back to
the story but no we'll talk about outside stories never bring your phones
with you go to the middle of the ocean drop off the body and be like there's
so many other things that the receipt I'm putting my hand on it we gotta get back
to the story you guys could get it back to the story
now while Adolfo Constanzo's story does touch on Santarion rituals here and
there it mostly had to do with Santorias much darker much older cousin so the
Nigerian tribes were not the first taken to Cuba long before they arrived the
enslaved people of Cuba came from the Congo their religion was known as Buck
Congo and over hundreds of years of evolution it became what is today known
as Paolo Paolo in Spanish translates very literally to stick now where
Santaria draws its power from a pantheon of deities Paolo contends that all
natural objects particularly sticks are infused with power that adherents can
draw upon for their own purpose one way I heard it was described was that sticks
are a way that spirits can travel and that's why it sticks out top of the top
of the Nonganga when you stick like a tree stick yeah like a branch yeah like a
branch and there and there are definitely like deities involved in Paolo
but unlike Santaria like there's one main deity deity up top like there's a
creator God and then a lot of gods underneath but those gods don't
necessarily have as much power as the creator God does wearing and where it's
in Santaria it's more of like an equal split of power okay but like most
religions Paolo has different denominations and the flavor practiced by
Adolfo Constanzo known as Paolo Mayombe focuses on drawing power directly
from the natural process of death and the dead themselves
now practitioners of Paolo Mayombe believe that the true power in their own
personal universe lies in a black cauldron called an Nonganga which author
Edward Humes so eloquently described as a miniature magical universe of rot
decay and death it's literally a parfait of black magic you have this you
get the this cauldron together the Nonganga and it actually begins a life
of its own they believe that the Nonganga lives and the reason why we're
covering this so much in detail is because how important this religion is to
Adolfo Constanzo and understanding the workings of the cult and what happens
and how this actually ties into how he was fucking caught because this Nonganga
it depends on your level of commitment to Paolo Mayombe like are you are we
committed like are you fully eighty percent in you might not even need that
initially might even be too little you got to be like 95 percent into building
Nonganga because an Nonganga becomes a living being that you have to feed every
day what would you feed it you'll see oh my god stuffed with things like blood
animal remains spices coins bones scorpions and spiders and Nonganga's
main focus of natural power is the 28 sacred sticks thrust down into the
middle of the goop geez it sounds like the boo box that Uday Kusey used to put
the Iraqi soccer team in if they lost it is this one is like you can get a lot
more out of it not just screams but it's highly complex that's what I think is
interesting is how how thoroughly layered these all of these levels are yeah
it's not just a random slurry like everything behind an Nonganga has
intention and purpose okay this essay I read if you want to go look it up it's
a very interesting breakdown of this whole of this topic which is essay
called making an Nonganga begetting a god materiality and belief in the
Afro-Cuban religion of Paolo Monte which is written by Katerina Kateretsky and
but this basically describes how the Nonganga is divided into three levels
that are highly secretive like it but it's very organized it starts at one
bottom level with a bunch of sigils and what basically what the Nonganga is
gonna be for and then you fill it with what's called the the middle area which
is limbs with which it is to act which is what they called senses which is with
it is to feel which you'll explain as you put things into the Nonganga you're
creating a personality it's like a living physical topa that will do what
you want it to do but it has to have the tools that that's all of these sticks
and bones and blood and matter in it it gives it different properties and then
the top level is as the Nonganga wants to be seen which is where the Palos are
incredibly important because they're like little like like fucking
communication fucking tubes like literally it's how the spirits go in and
out like straws now in Ganga give me my smokes you can do that but a lot of
times you got a smoke on it first yeah you gotta blow a bunch of smoke I see I
see okay now as more ingredients are added to the Nonganga and more spells
are cast I eat the more time that passes the rotting material inside the
cauldron produces an unearthly stench because there's remains in there there's
blood in there there's sometimes feces in there it's full of shit and blood and guts
it's income in a lot of calm oh my god it sounds like a cell in solitary but
that was the point because the worse an Nonganga smells the more powerful it is
well no one ever tells me this about my bathroom no I'm sitting in your Nonganga
right now brutal no that's a blessing but it's interesting because I started
looking when you look up Palo Mayone Bay right you go to YouTube I looked up
Palo Mayone Bay half of it is people in like ATF uniforms going through a Palo
Mayone Bay site which is it looks like it's set decorated for a Halloween movie
it looks really really scary you got the Nonganga with the sticks came out of it
all sorts of paraphernalia everywhere like weird little childlike dolls and
like bloody machetes and dog skulls and human remains all of a sudden you see
these guys just like ripping through the shit just going like my god can you
believe but then you the other half is YouTube videos of of Tatas and Poleros
like the priests of Palo Mayone Bay being like we're trying not to be too
scary anymore as you rip through these sites you
realize like it looks like this mess like this kind of like this pile of like
wicked looking shit but then you start to research it you're like oh this is
highly organized this was meant to look like this sounds like these ATF agents
are just there they're cruising for a haunting don't go in there and mess
around too much well there's a lot of people then say if you read the comments
that people will say oh look at these guys are bringing curses down upon them
but actually a lot of people say unfortunately it's more that the
priest is going to be punished because he left his Nonganga behind yeah oh dang
as far as the animal remains placed inside values were assigned to the type
of animals included goats worth more than a chicken cows worth more than a goat
and so on and so forth but the logical conclusion of all this is that human is
the most powerful ingredient of all he said according to this essay that so it's
the one thing is that you're never supposed to feed human blood to an
Nonganga because it's more caliente that's the term that it was used as they
said it's too hot because if you put it in the Nonganga becomes addicted to human
blood no you have to feed it human blood and if not it starts to punish you it
is straight-up the tulpa from Hellraiser I believe three yes yes they
ended up yeah the human blood yes of course cool it was oh god however one
need not kill another person in order to do this and instead some practitioners
of Palo Mayumbe have gained reputations as grave robbers because at least four
Palo Mayumbe wizards known as Poleros have been arrested for that very crime
in recent years doesn't seem like the worst of their crimes there's no blood
in the bodies of someone in the grave this is a part of the process blood is
mostly like chicken blood oh I see it's a lot of animal blood most that's why we
view it as intense because we have a different attachment to animals in
America especially those of us that are not rural Americans like I view a you
know you know Nat Night we have a dog child that is not in other people leave
their dogs outside or they'll do stuff being like I'll just get another dog if
that dog gets turned and gets hit by a thrashing machine yeah but that's how
you know people view animals where this is one of those things where animal
sacrifice is just a an inherent part of their religion maybe this is what Sarah
Palin was practicing when she gave that speech as the turkey was being beheaded
behind her which was one of the most amazing political speeches of all time
well here's some examples of that Grave Robin in 1995 Apollo Mayombe Polaro in
Miami was arrested for possession of several human skulls in 2002 another
Polaro was discovered in Newark New Jersey with at least two dead bodies
inside Angangas in his basement did he work for a construction company why do
I feel like it matters less than it was in Newark I like how authentic could it
really be the thing is is that you just have a guy feed new bodies because he's
working in the quote-unquote you know the waste management you know I got a
truck and I got a guy and I got a place where trucks go and then sometimes a guy
who's got a thing he kind of goes off to a little vacation and he's got to go over
to my buddy Polaro crazy name on this guy crazy name you make fun of the
waste management people the most powerful union in the world yep and most
recently in 2015 a Polaro was arrested in Connecticut for stealing bones from a
mausoleum in Massachusetts that was just five years ago but when it comes to
humans these Polaro's aren't just drawing power from dead bodies taken
further some also believe they can control a dead body spirit through
ritual although that process requires far more than just bones this is where
the necromancy comes in in the darkest most secretive corners Apollo Mayombe
belief practitioners mix the skull and the brains of the freshly dead into
their enganga and if the ritual is successfully done they can then send
that dead spirit out into the world to wreak havoc on others we call it making
human guacamole but you also use it it can make you money it can heal the sick
because that's what the idea of real necromancy is is that you harness the
intelligence of a human that you fill an embody with a god or spirits
intelligence but you have to have their permission and sometimes they say no yeah
but then you can't do it then yeah true but then they're dead so maybe they
still do it no they have the dead have rights oh I hope so okay now again the
vast majority of Santaria and Apollo Mayombe practitioners do not use their
religion for evil purpose just as the vast majority of Catholic priests are
not despite both of your constant accusations pedophiles they just some
of times they're jokes wait a second what in the world did you just say I said
the vast majority of Catholic priests are not pedophiles despite both of your
constant accusations why do they have the little colors that yeah why do they
have little boy here not pedophiles okay can we compromise and say the the
majority but when you get down to it Apollo Mayombe is still a religion and
every religion has the potential to be abused when it's in the hands of a
cult leader just like Jim Jones killed almost a thousand people using
Christianity it's the same shit and all he literally started just getting
electricity for people and feeding them the Jim Jones story is so sad because he
could have been a great guy yep and when it came to Adolfo Constanzo it just so
happened that the Apollo Mayombe wizard that his mother Delia followed was
among the darkest practitioners in Miami who truly believed that the path to
power was paved with evil deeds how can you have such a dark religion in such a
vibrant colorful places Miami it's so hot yeah that's true maybe there's
something to it you kind of feel more evil yeah okay I'll give it to you it's
just all the open shirts and all the temptation and all the money people are
eating all the good food and all the music you just want to just take off
your clothes and just spin and spin and spin you're making me sad I miss Florida
so when Adolfo was just six months old his mother brought him to this
mysterious Haitian Polaro who held the child and blew thick cigar smoke all
around its body whoa the Polaro then scrutinized little Adolfo and proclaimed
him to be the chosen one destined for greatness and power the Polaro then
declared that he would be the child's teacher his Padrino and once Adolfo was
old enough to understand what was going on the lessons began in one of the
earliest tutorials Adolfo's Padrino used a little doll as a teaching aid
what like six at this point you started you started right out the coach as soon
as he was delivered they decided to start raising him as a Polaro and so he
immediately kind of had this other worldliness to him but it is interesting
that they still have to mr. wizard it a little bit like you have to figure out
how to teach a child how to be a magician sounds like the rainmaker from
looper sounds very dangerous was there anything in particular special about him
as a baby other than his mom who I guess how can how can a baby be special huge
babies are special the baby's born with like a four inch dick right up top oh my
goodness yeah yeah yeah yeah no since Santoria and Palo Mayonbe are not
mutually exclusive the old wizard used both and teaching young Adolfo one day
he held up a small rag doll made of black cloth and told young Adolfo to
imagine that the doll was his most hated enemy and a six years old honestly
what would be a six-year-old's most hated enemy I mean who stole his peanut
butter in kindergarten I hated Big Bird as a little kid really I hate it
soulless yeah I just didn't like it I thought he was boring I thought it was
weak mr. Roger is also you didn't like what you have no soul I like him now but
then I was supposed to like him when the lessons actually mattered so you could
have had so you could have been better at the the last 33 years whatever I like
things getting their heads split open then the Polaro doused the doll in the
blood of a freshly killed rooster and told Adolfo to bury the doll in a
cemetery while making an offering to Ogun the god of iron and if Adolfo did
it correctly then the god of iron would cause a car accident and kill Adolfo's
enemy yeah yeah and then what a child how to murder another child through
the show honestly what do we know what the enemy did yeah he was fucking Big
Bird talking on that stupid voice I just don't teach me about letters I know
about letters I learned to read early so you're sitting here in your babbling
at me and you got a fucking fucking imaginary elephant you speak to all
day and then can you imagine the puppeteer for Big Bird just driving a
fucking to work that day and getting a fucking getting T-Bone doesn't know
it's a puppet they just think they're killing Big Bird you're killing a
person yep mission accomplished not really because somebody else can be Big
Bird whoa yeah you didn't kill the idea you killed an actor oh my god I can't
kill an idea you really can't shut down the whole network I gotta make enough
money to buy a whole network and shut it down great idea now baked into
Santoria and Palo Mayumbe is secrecy and as it goes with most things like this
that secrecy was born out of necessity see back when they were religions
practiced by the enslaved people of the Caribbean a person could and almost
certainly would be killed by their Christian overlords if they were caught
practicing anything besides Christianity in other words Santoria and
Palo were practiced in secret and passed down in secret and that's how
Adolfo Constanzo's Badrino passed it down to him I do believe that the
secrecy gives it more power yeah like it's why the secret schools worked
because it all works on allegory and so you're already thinking in a layer
below the layer of reality so you start getting you more interested in the
concept of as above so below and understanding the idea of changing your
inner mind and it will change reality mm-hmm absolutely well that does it
really does change reality when you change your perspective doesn't it and
also sometimes just sucking a bunch of dicks well that will change your
reality for the time being anyway that's what he learned yeah yeah there are
other secret was bisexuality because Padrino and Adolfo would regularly engage
in sex amidst the blood and rot of their rituals and Adolfo would continue to be
bisexual for the rest of his life in fact it plays a very important part in the
story but wasn't Adolfo six six years old they did it was like a full like
teenager type thing as well it was wrong yeah he was an evil wizard he was an
evil wizard in evil wizard he was being molested by an evil wizard it sounds
like that yeah it's like he sort of like got used to it hmm but magic and
sex weren't the only things introduced to Adolfo by his Padrino and Green Day
oh isn't that nice well the Padrino also passed down a way of making money
that Adolfo would later make the driving force of his own cult see this
Polaro would of course do small-time rituals for the locals cleansings and
protections and whatnot but his main gig was advising and protecting some of the
biggest cocaine dealers in Miami through the practice of magic how fucking
dangerous is that shit intensity where you decide that the easy way to make
money is that I'm going to be a cartel spiritual advisor you can imagine you
think a priest here's some crazy stories you can just imagine the coke dealer who
calls him frantic because the the supply is lost in the middle of the ocean and
they're about to lose their head if they can't get it back oh yeah dude and
there's also to me there's something that speaks to the fact that they assumed
that this was just a way to go that they thought that like oh we'll just
manipulate the cartels it's what we do it's very it's you're a dangerous person
very dangerous now for a nominal feat the Polaro would hold ceremonies to keep
gang members from being arrested keep drugs from being seized and to choose
the correct moment to transport product either over the border or to different
cities throughout the United States these guys are directing policy they're
telling drug dealers what to do that's what we meant by saying the cartels were
their clients so they would pay them a la carte where they would show up and say
we need this thing and here's a fee they had a direct fee for specific
okay so let's say I'm a drug dealer I'm going I got a bunch of I got a I got a
kilo of cocaine that's not even a lot it's not even a lot let's say I got a
bunch of that sure much kilos yes which I travel when should I when should I get
this over to San Diego let me look at my Google calendar yeah you're supposed
to be a sage you're supposed to be like a spiritual advisor the first thing I'm
gonna have to check my Google calendar because the main thing is it all boxing
day I'm actually off on boxing European holiday we don't even celebrate that
here yeah but thing is though I'm looking to spend some time in Europe what
does that have to do with my kilos okay what are you face it north we're going
we will be going west Thursdays are always good because Thursdays are in the
new Fridays Thursday TGIF all right thank God it's Thursday that's the things
that the Polaro they had no fear because they believed in what they were
doing and they had no qualms whatsoever with assisting drug traffickers
morally but also think about the fact that that's a high stakes job huge you
don't deliver oh my god you get murder yeah and in both the Polaro and Adolfo's
later view a non-believer the guys that you know we're doing all this drug
dealing doing all the trafficking non-believers were lower than animals
in their purview and both Adolfo and his Padrino delighted in profiting off the
misery and addictions of others fuck them we got our money but these guys they
also practice what they preached neither the Polaro nor Adolfo would ever use
drugs of any kind fucking Adolfo Constanzo was stone sober his entire life
and it was also essential to both of them that their followers stay sober as
well at all times everyone was sober in this story this is why I firmly believe
everyone needs a dalliance with mushrooms a little bit of acid helps me
to drink every now and again when they're growing up you don't have to all the
time you want to be very careful but it really is important yeah otherwise you
end up like CM Punk from WWE and you know what your judgmental of other
people's lives whoa and when it came to Adolfo's Padrino Adolfo's mother was
certainly one of those followers and she practiced the darkest forms of this
religion with all of the blood and rot that came with it
imagine Richard Chase being a mother that it's Richard do that this is your
base reality yeah like I wanted to bring it back to just sort of like Adolfo
Constanzo as a man when he starts in this world he believes that he number one
is the chosen one a number two that he is a he is growing up into a legacy of
black magic practitioners that also are con men yeah would start which is you
can even say immediately oh if they're into anything like this they start as
con men but when you grow up thinking that this shit's fucking real and then
they show you constantly they're either proving it despite whatever as evidence
or purposefully showing you shit that says this shit works yeah why would you
think otherwise you're coming up in this world I mean like I am a black
magician and my goal is to make money off the suffering of others but also
increase my own power and that's the only thing I give a shit about it's
figuring out ways for me to have more juju inside of my fucking muscles and
God it just sounds so interesting doesn't it well sounds like you're slipping
hard again no we don't let you we don't let you and these are also like
there he's also being told the whole time that he's growing up he's being
told by both his teacher and his mother anyone who does not believe in what we
believe is lower than an animal they do not matter you can do whatever you want
to them yeah it just sounds so fucking similar to like a faction of people
running the government adolfo said that his first memory was quote the
gurgling death rattle of a chicken's slit throat and he remembered and he
remembered a constant stench of death and decay pervading his entire childhood
all of these Norwegian death metal fucking posers yeah fucking clue they're
all raising the suburbs you're gonna want to get a few pine tree perfumes in
that house it's gonna it's gonna stink it up a little bit especially in the
Miami heat yeah man the Miami Sun baking your in your kitchen yeah it's
made I know that well according to what Adolfo told his followers if Adolfo was
a good little boy his mother would reward him with an animal all of his own
to mutilate and sacrifice it's leather face yeah this is the Sawyer family in
in freaking Miami yep but this was all a part of their interpretation of Palo
Miami they believed that one must relish the stench of decomposing flesh
because being comfortable with and even craving the smell was essential to
controlling the dead and in a practical way the smell probably I don't know and
this is just my own you know view of it the smell probably focus them during
the rituals it puts you in a fucking headspace senses the smells are the most
it's one of the most powerful sense it really is though it sets a tone and it
puts you in the place where you need to you need to believe first of all that
this shit's gonna work we're to have any hold on anybody else so you kind of
create an entire it's like putting on a VR helmet but it's just when you take it
off you're still covered in blood I mean how many times have I taken off the VR
helmet and just end up covered in blood and you say yeah I feel like maybe
there should be some sort of legal leeway here saying that I should not be
responsible for the things and people that I hurt while inside of my own
virtual world there is a funny YouTube hole if you want to get into it VR people
reacting on VR they smash their TVs and punch their friends and shit but it
reminds me as well when you go down to when I was in jail when I had to talk
about 23 hours in the tombs the smell as soon as that hits your nose you're
like oh it's not the bars and the guards that let me know I'm in jail it
smells like jail it smells like bleach blood and piss and shit but remember
they have a very specific style of follow my own way to most people don't
view it as taking control over a dead person's entity most of the time they're
trying to create a copacetic relationship with the corpse the in Ganga to
them more often than anything else is like a wife or like a partner it's like
somebody that you're supposed to keep happy and you're supposed to be on the
good side of it you're supposed to be trying to in exact an authoritarian like
power over this helper spirit it's supposed to be like he's supposed to be
as into it as you're into it and that's why you guys all know the classic bit
take my in Ganga please take kind of a funny joke if you think about it like a
wife you'll be punished spiritually and physically oh okay well I mean we'll get
into how Adolfo Constanzo absolutely adhered to that belief that the
fucking that the spirit has to be in Kisi has to be into about we'll get into
that later okay when an interview with author Edward Humes Adolfo's mother
also claimed that her son developed magical powers as a child saying that
he was capable of astral projection ESP and communication with the dead by the
time he was a teenager in fact Adolfo claimed to have communicated with the
spirit of Marilyn Monroe when he was 14 and she supposedly told him that she
was murdered okay well to be honest all of us communicated with the spirit of
Marilyn Monroe when we were 14 I want to say he was as gay as an old-timey
carousel Marilyn fits in as a matter of fact Marilyn is the
perfect girlfriend for someone who is bisexual whoa absolutely ideal you can
love her movies you can still have boobies
but Constanzo also had visions of the future claiming that he predicted the
attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan at the hands of John Hinckley Jr. even
before Reagan was elected president damn wait did he predict that it was be
Hinckley that did it because everyone thought Reagan was gonna get shot no he
just said he's gonna get shot and he's gonna survive yeah that's super annoying
guy who just became president from California the fucking actor he's
gonna get shot what a smile though what a smile gorgeous now as it happens with
the most brutal and terrifying of serial killers Adolfo had multiple teachers
in criminality and immorality from a young age and none with the possible
exception of his padrino whereas influential as his mother Delia she was
essentially a grifter convicted of grand theft writing fraudulent checks and
child neglect while also getting arrested for trespassing armed assault and
shoplifting but since Delia had dozens of aliases she was always tried as a
first-time offender and she stayed out of jail long term despite outstanding
warrants for the same reason heck of a lady different times always talk her way
out of it but you could just be back then you could just be like I'm Amelia
Delia you could literally walk into like the cockpit of an airplane and put
your hand on the shoulder of a pilot being like love what you do here really
was Delia was also a terrible neighbor known to leave the headless corpses of
chickens or the headless corpses of geese with their heads wrapped in a red
handkerchief next to the body on a neighbor's doorstep after a simple
fucking argument a reactor you'd say a little bit but dramatic come up follow
too many you come in a Polaro they often say they're not here to not fuck
around I was just asking you to turn your music down I was watching this one
dude you come at me I come at you ten times follow my own baby it is an it's
offensive and defensive magic so a part of it is that they all said I was
watching this one like you learning this physically can't go faster but I
there was I was watching an interview with the the follow my own bait to the
stars guy he's like this guy who does like various afro-cuban with like
rituals is he legit he's in Burbank his whole shit was being like you fuck with
me I fuck with you and then the main because also he was being interviewed
by a British dude which always had somehow they always warm in it's the
accent people think that they can talk to him and it's like so tell me
have you ever dealt with any celebrity clients and he's like I cannot say I
cannot say and he's like oh please tell me tell me you like there's got to be
one you can say and he's like Tommy Lee did in pro tree to initiate him and he
did he did a full initiation right for Tommy Lee deep into power well that is I
just feel so safe knowing Tommy Lee is trying to harness more power than his
cock already gave him adelia was also a nightmare of a tenant leaving behind a
trail of houses and apartments filled with splattered blood animal and human
excrement and remains in a series of terrifying altars it actually got so bad
at one of her apartments that the cops were called on her in 1987 long after a
dole foe left the nest when police arrived they found 27 animals in her
apartment hands geese goats and roosters already for sacrificial slaughter
geez they also found it's it means like I said I mean this is like if Richard
Chase if Richard Chase was a mother this is like if Richard Chase ran a
fucking orphanage her children were covered in blood and excrement and the
apartment was strewn with plates covered in blood amongst congealed pools of
more blood it sounds like a very special episode of hoarders yeah and it has
Matt suits in this one I love you hoarders colon evil intent man is she
okay we always get into this bullshit where everybody says magic is not real
and it doesn't work but my question is the ilia kept getting away with it and
then raised a Polaro son that had the same will believe that the same
attributes and it was also getting away with crimes very early on at what point
do not start saying maybe she's got a point when she has not been punished for
a single one of her crimes she just keeps managed to just slide out like she
just managed to do something which some people say is just the power of pure
charisma which we will begin to hold up deeper and deeper deeper deeper into a
focus as we talk about the story of adult concern so or then what is just
straight up the power of follow my own baby maybe she's born with it maybe it's
horrible lawn for it yeah yeah for every one delia there are a thousand who do
go to jail that try the same shit that she does okay yeah well I mean so far but
okay so to be fair so far she's committed petty crimes no murder no
murder okay and she just runs a horrible house and her children should
probably go some more safe it does sound like a witch's house yes okay oh it
does yeah no the bedrooms were filled with garbage feces cash and expensive
fur coats gifted by the then adult adult as well as VHS copies of both the
Jamie Lee Curtis horror flick prom night and animal house oh wow it does seem a
little animal housey though imagine that if they I remember that when they cut
the ritual sacrifice scene Harold Ramis you really want to go there I guess you
didn't want to but everybody loves blue dough yeah blue dough absolutely great
movie fun now in this way 11 a dull foe did not follow his mother's lead for the
rest of his life he was actually obsessively neat and clean he always
dressed in white clothing except the only thing in his house that was not
clean was the room where his Paloma yambe rituals were held well that makes
sense of course so by 1983 oh John Landis I'm sorry John Landis I'm happy to
help save you from a fucking avalanche avalanche well actually I just want
people to be able to move on mentally so we can get back to the story cuz you
know when someone's right every single time we have one of those simple
mistakes it's the only thing that people talk about hours and hours of working
on the podcast yes yeah yeah yeah yeah so by 1983 a dull foes Padrino decided
that it was time to make a dull foe a Padrino himself and a ritual was
prepared that would bestow power to a dull foe over men's souls as well as the
ability to cast magical spells to protect him from evil and to do evil
upon others of course this next part only involved the dull foe in the
Padrino's a very private ritual and we don't even know the Padrino's fucking
name so this tale comes to his third hand from what a dull foe told one of his
cult members later meaning that it may not have happened exactly as we're
about to tell it in fact most of a dull foes childhood comes from stories that
he told to other people but on the other hand those stories did end up
matching many of the traditions of Palomayambe so well there is some truth
here the one thing I will say is that there is some truth here but there's
also a manage I imagine purposeful lies because the initiation rights into
Palomayambe are incredibly secret and a part of what wizards do is that they
lie first and they put out a vision of the story of themselves first so that
you get the legend and then afterwards you have to decide to parse through and
decide what is real and what is fake absolutely powerful technique and a
lot of this stuff does seem that like a lot of stuff from his childhood it does
seem like it could be kind of true because a lot of it does come from one
of a dull foes lovers this guy Omar and Omar said that a dull foe would talk to
him when they were in bed and this was like kind of their pillow talk time
cool very fun I remember that when I was a child and I could dip a hundred feet
into the water and never have to come up for air and I would fly to school I had
fun the childhood of Ben kiss of the legend that is oh this is you building
your legend I can breathe underwater and I can fly in the sky you've already
spoken for thousands of hours online so we all know almost every detail of your
life it's too late I did not suckle that long until at least nine no no no so in
preparation for what was essentially a graduation ceremony a dull foe took
ritual baths and secret herbs and slept for seven nights under a sacred sabertree
he then buried white clothes and a fresh grave and left them there for three
weeks then dug them up and wore them around town emanating the scent of death
wasn't there some black metal dude that did that same thing made I believe that
happened in mayhem yeah and I know it was your anonymous that did that they are
super into that and also that's a hells Angels thing too really which is really
strange but three weeks very important 21 is in a very important number okay
and during all of these preparations a dull foe gave daily thanks and offerings
to codium pin bay which was a dull foes personal guiding spirit and follow my
umbe's version of the devil the devourer of souls and so when the ritual came a
dull foes padrino blindfolded him and asked him if he was ready to fully
accept codium pin bay and if he was ready for his soul to die to this a dull foe
said my soul is dead I have no God then the Polaro summoned dead souls in the
ancient language of the Congolese who had brought their gods to Cuba hundreds of
years before and he brushed a dull foes body and the branches of the sabertree a
dull foe had slept under the Polaro then took a chicken and ran it up and down a
dull foes body before slitting the chicken's throat above a dull foes head
oh it tickles it tickles that must have tickled honestly for a second yeah once
a dull foe was suitably soaked in blood the Polaro took the knife covered it in
gunpowder and held it over a fire causing a small explosion once the blade
was hot enough the wizard took it and carved a dull foes shoulder with the
scars of the padrino a personal signature passed down from masters to
apprentices and in this case it was a crosshatch of bows arrows and X's oh
yeah it's like Keith Ranieri but with flavor yeah and it seems like more
consent the Polaro then removed the blindfold and held the bloody knife in
one hand and offered a dull foe a polished human tibia bone with the other
and once a dull foe accepted the gift he was officially initiated as Apollo
Mayumbe Padrino man I imagine all of a sudden cut to he's in a satanic giant
drum rig like he's fucking Neil Pert but for the fucking devil
throws the bone up and it cycles in the air like 2001 and it comes back down he
grabs it with the other hand big revolving drum set and this is the
devil there's going live this is one of the best fucking concerts I've ever
fucking beat you dude and I'll tell you about man fucking a dull foe we'll
kill you dude you play for a thousand people the same as you play for just
one that is incredible and that's why I'm a fan that's incredible that's the
sign of a good performer right there yeah and it is then as a final decree the
Polaro told a dull foe that when he so chose a dull foe could create his own
in Ganga however the ability to one day have an in Ganga was not a marketable
skill in the Miami job market that's why we got to go to vocational schools
guys get in a car repair just for some context for the audience a re-talking
teenager here he's like 17 okay yeah I mean a dull foe was just struggling to
survive he was actually kind of a loser like he'd get bullied all the time he
couldn't hold a job to save his life he couldn't even be a good criminal he tried
shoplifting twice and got caught both times that's actually hard to do to get
caught back then there were no cameras anywhere he just was so like lanky and
weird I just think that like wizards are castable so in my mind because he was
such a powerful wizard I think that there's a lot to saying that he was
both a performer and a con man and why that led to his abilities to fucking be
a super powerful figure in a cartel where he kind of had a thing about him he
was noticeable he was a straight very like you cut starkingly kind of handsome
like big eyes like very tall lanky he looks like an otherworldly figure yeah
he looks like a TV actor yeah okay a little raspute next perhaps a little
raspute about the package because then he starts dressing in white all the time
and once you start getting a uniform and projecting a symbol of yourself out
there's more people being like who's that guy absolutely feeling gum well
there's a reason that there's a reason the priests don't dress like surfer boys
I mean costumes matter Adolfo also began cruising the gay scene of Miami seducing
men and humiliating them he also dated women but never brought one home because
he knew that no woman would ever be good enough for mommy's little boy in
Dealia's eyes plus there was also blood and feces and dead animals all over his
mom's apartment ah don't dig it no unless you find the right girl I suppose
so absolutely now things are going okay in Miami but as far as where Adolfo was
gonna permanently set up shop he had some choices now he traveled around with
his mother quite a bit in his youth and he got in a flavor for a couple of
different places they'd lived in San Juan in Puerto Rico for a bit and they
traveled to Mexico City and from what Adolfo can see those places were much
more receptive to his brand of magic than America was because if Americans
want to follow a shit-obsessed mass murderer who believes in magic we
already got Brigham young thank you very much oh there we go BYU solid football
team though and so feeling that he could truly blossom as a dark magician
elsewhere Adolfo picked up and moved to Mexico City where he immediately made a
name for himself as a magician who could make shit happen now Adolfo would gain
power over people by reading them and supposedly revealing dark secret truths
in the way that most psychics are able to do but when his sometimes broad
sometimes specific predictions about his client's future started to come true
time and time again they'd come back for more because it's all about how do you
feel yeah you know when you're sitting in there like yeah you you're paying for
this I think most people pay for like psychic greetings and like I now stay
away from fortune telling I think it's bad business I don't think you should
worry about what's happening in the future because then you're also subtly
framing it aren't you but don't you also isn't there something innate if you're
a fortune teller or you're a psychic just the fact that someone is coming to
you it's not like everything is going great so don't you automatically be
like something's wrong with the marriage because no one's in there when
everything is fine you're correct that it's completely true people come in
there because they're dealing with problems so you know at a base immediately
looking for solutions but then it comes down to you're giving solutions but you
also got to package it a little bit of flair it's got to feel kind of fun it's
got to feel exciting and exotic when you go in there and Adolfo can sound so
immediately understood like I gotta I gotta have a thing right now once
clients were in the second level Adolfo would start with healing ceremonies and
readings into the future pretty simple stuff but once they were hooked Adolfo
would begin to reveal the true nature of the dark magic he was doing and the evil
spirits he commanded now at first Adolfo used pretty much just making money but
wasn't long before he began to gather disciples the first being Omar Francisco
Orea Ochoa. Nowadays we just ask for Patreon money. Was he absolutely and thank
you so much for giving to our Patreon we absolutely love you was he actively
courting disciples or was this something that did just happen either
subconsciously or just with the I think childhood training I guess it's hard to
say really 50-50 because Jim Jones and all these other like they were they were
like horny for it. They were seeking it I think he I think he was letting it come
as it was coming I think for a while he was actively just trying to keep his
head above water and he was trying to be a professional wizard you know the kind
of compromises you make when you just try to be a professional comedian. Extremely
difficult sometimes you have to go on shows and hang out with people that you
don't like and then all of a sudden that person has a large following and then you
have to pretend to like them for forever. You would have to deal with that kind of shit so he
like was just trying to make it and then all of a sudden I think he probably
started to see how like people were really into him and then what does a
wizard want? A wizard wants like the ones that are really obsessed with power
which is why all the right hand path people always were like never practice
only read was because there is that idea when you read all about the concept of
the wizards become smug yeah they believe that they're above human beings
like people that believe that they are actual magical practitioners they start
to think that they can control and move people like puppets so you just find
someone who's willing essentially to simp for you in this scenario and he can
just slide right in being like okay wow all of a sudden I have a right-handed
man this is right here and not only that he sucks my dick it's like this is
this great he's got it's perfect it really is it's like Seth Rollins with
Murphy we talked about this in the WWE he only has one follower that's just a
friend you have to have more than 10
now Omar had a lifelong fascination with the occult and when he was 15 a
fortune teller told him that he would one day meet a powerful man who would
alter his life and determine his destiny and Omar needed to be ready and be
aware that's kind of hot a little bit yeah strangely enough many of Adolfo's
first initiates were gay as was Omar and his friend Dr. Hindu real name Jorge
Montez who was also a powerful local psychic honestly and things would have
really changed if he had Dr. Hindu had really just come of age at a certain
time he would have been on SNL like that but times have just changed so much it's
just hard for Dr. Hindu to be like a good like it doesn't appeal to a mass
audience anymore he may have had a controversial podcast in his past I
think when the summer of 1983 Omar and Dr. Hindu heard about a new magician in
town with unbelievable power who also happened to be in a dudes and they're
like hell yeah dude yeah that's a fun ass Friday yeah man just bunch of gay
wizards having a fucking great afternoon hey man that sounds awesome to me so
Omar and Dr. Hindu went down to Adolfo for a reading mm-hmm according to Omar
Adolfo told him that he was about to fulfill a prophecy from his youth that
an old woman had told him to be ready for this moment and had told him to be
aware can you imagine his eyes just like opening up and just seeing like this
person come and being like teach me Adolfo I've been waiting for you oh my
goodness I've seen that video before he now knows but then you know all your
wizard nipples get hard because you sit because then you find your man he's
gonna be so wizard I'm gonna be able to fill his spiritual behold so much power
mm-hmm Allison Crowley whoa but Adolfo followed that up by saying there's no
reason to be wary when Adolfo asked Omar do you think I am correct in this
Omar surprised himself by blurting out that he'd been waiting for Adolfo and
with that Omar was a believer and tell the end that's it yeah and it yeah
yeah and doctor handsome yeah and a doctor Hindu said fuck I'm in too
come here I mean oh my god doctor Hindu is a follower yeah yeah well once Dr.
Hindu dropped the nickname and started going by plain old whore hey again
Adolfo welcomed him welcomed him in so yeah you can come on yeah unless his
nurse was the cartoon bumblebee from the Simpsons I don't know why he had a
comical name like Dr. Hindu because he had to appear exotic didn't want to get
clientele he was a local psychic as well he had his honestly it seems like
cultural appropriation he didn't go to eight years of fake doctor school to
not be to be called Mr. Hindu and so with two followers the cult of Adolfo
Constanzo was born now from the very beginning Adolfo Constanzo knew how to
run a cult and maybe this helps to answer your question been about whether
Adolfo wanted a cult or not whether he was on the lookout for it Jorge was
already an established psychic so he was tasked with spreading the word that
there was a new powerful man on the scene dressed all in white that could see
a person's past present and future he did the old-school version of what
Kissel used to do with Uber drivers and grabbing the phone and subscribing to
last podcast it's one listener at a time and that's all that matters one at
a time and usually they don't know how to get it off of their phone that's
awesome Omar on the other hand was pegged immediately as a follower he'd
immediately fallen in love with Constanzo but Adolfo already had a lover
named Martin Quintana Rodriguez who also acted as his body card so Adolfo set the
two of them against each other telling Omar that he would be Adolfo's female
lover while Martin would be his male lover well so he wants them bickering
he wants them isn't that intriguing when you think about leadership he ordered
them to dress as women or act as his servants or both but if they objected
or fought each other Constanzo would savagely beat both of them but he would
also constantly put them in situations where they had no choice but to fight
with each other what is this some sort of bizarre bizarro version of Joe Rogan's
fear factor no this is happening this sounds like a page or a mold of our
movie mm-hmm it's very spicy but you know I remember when we first brought
Fernando on and we snapped that when I snapped that pool cue in half and when
Travis and Fernando fought and then they fought until they fought for hours
until they embraced I knew then that this is this is the employees these are
the people that will build LPN into the network into the future as HR I do have
to clarify that satire our employees I believe they're treating well I believe
that they're happy and we hope that they are they love to fight they love to go
to war anymore I actually don't like if we took our if our if we took our
employees versus another podcast employees I don't know how well they do
although I do think the truth psychotic nature of the you get it I want to see
that fight that's what we got to be behind the size that we have to set up a
wrestling match between Travis and Stephen Ray Morris that's the guy for
Rogan okay no no no that's that's our our friends my hair murder oh okay great
great great now Constanzo's first home base was in the zona Rosa area in
Mexico City known for its gay community its psychics and its nightlife and with
Jorge spreading the word Constanzo soon had more followers now at first his
prices were fairly modest but once his reputation grew and his clients got
richer he found he could charge thousands of dollars per client because
according to the people who paid him he got results it is interesting because
we we talked to those experts on Santa Muerte again British people that
somehow come over here and fool everybody into thinking they're experts
but they are I know what they do but they said that they Santa Muerte is
another version of this if a dark Afro Caribbean religion that has now become
it's got 12 million followers and they all say the same shit that it works that
something happens whether it's just your own frame of mind and you're looking to
see that it works or this shit's actually showing up I don't know what it is
specifically about the power of these types of these rituals and help
sometimes it just fucking I don't know what the hell it is I mean I honestly
think everyone is just a small nudge away from success maybe this is a little
nudge they need well you've been a Susan Orleans right now Susan Orleans I mean
it's not too different from you know a lot of other religions like say you know
if a Christian gets what they want then they say it's but oh thank God is that's
the power of prayer and if they don't get what they want then it's like well
God is testing me you know and it's this kind of the same thing in these
religions like if they get what they want then oh the ritual worked and if
they don't get what they want then oh I didn't do it right I didn't do the ritual
right well it's it's it's all pretty similar you know the power of belief that
the belief does work I will say that belief does absolutely work no
matter what religion you choose to ascribe to unless you're a New York
Knicks fan it's also kind of like the fucking stock market which the American
religion this is the idea of the stock market is literally all over but it's
based upon fucking our emotions yes it is as soon as I figured that out it made
a lot more sense strangely enough yeah well each time that Constanzo got
results improved himself to be a powerful magician in clients eyes that
client more often than not but soon became a member of Constanzo's fast
growing cult okay so when you say results what are we talking about like I
want to find love I want success in business just anything like that I'll
get into I'll get into three very specific examples right now awesome one
early client who became a follower was a real estate broker named Francisco
Francisco was nearly broke so he went to Constanzo for advice and seemingly
against reason Constanzo told him to put all the money he had into a
seemingly worthless piece of property in downtown Mexico City desperate the
client did what he was told having no idea how this could possibly help but
six months later on September 15th 1985 an earthquake charting 8.1 on the
Richter scale devastated Mexico City killing as many as 45,000 holy hell
Adolfo's client however came out ahead the Mexican government looking to
replace one of its many destroyed federal buildings bought the property
that was supposedly worthless for a quarter of a million dollars and after
that Francisco was a believer and joined the cult got so you can just see this
guy pontificating about how great the earthquake was for him in front of all
the families morning oh yeah it's like how people are benefiting off of
COVID and how they benefit off of 9-11 yeah how our very president said that he
had the tallest building after the World Trade Center was fucking brought down
he still didn't he still he's a piece of shit yeah another client in those
early days was an aging model named Maria Guerra who was a friend of Adolfo's
mother she was 37 in nearing the end of her modeling career I'm so stupid I was
like oh she must be in her 60s that's right you said model I forgot what's
going on well no in the middle world of porn actresses about how like when
you're 30 you can't be like a barely legal anymore but you're not quite yet
at milk it's why you start playing nurses it's really good going into the
like the civil servant world of porn right essential workers in this woman
she was desperate enough to change her life around that she racked up a bill
totaling six grand at Adolfo's magic shop eventually Adolfo cast a
complex spell called a Cambio de Cabeza which translates literally as change of
head he said that her ruling orisha essentially the god who held influence
over her life had turned on her and if she wanted her life to change that orisha
needed to be cast out I can't deal with these oversensitive needy gods you're
gonna turn on me that is fucking turn on me that's all of Palomayombe though it's
all that kind of shit you have to keep all of these things happy at all times
at all times just happy god happy life I guess so well I mean I don't know maybe
that is a part of the success in this stuff is that you're constantly keeping
the gods happy you're constantly doing whatever you have to do so therefore you
are constantly focused on your goals yes you're constantly focused on what you
want so okay that might be part of how it works that makes sense I guess from a
cult perspective they wanted to make Charlie happy yeah yeah but not even in
the cult like I'm talking about just someone who practices Santeria or
Palomayombe or something like that like this fucking constant constant focusing
that's why at its most practical magical thinking that the what this shows is
it really is just about keeping you focused on what it is you're trying to
get instead of being distracted yeah that's why we worship Adderall here in
this country yeah so Adolfo sacrificed 12 animals goats chickens cats and
turtles over a series of weeks yeah why are the cats why the cats and the
turtles I guess the ghost you know yeah I mean I don't know you got a horrible
well this was an op and he offered their hearts as a sacrifice to Maria's
fickle God after the last sacrifice however Adolfo said your name is
Carla now or at least if you want your luck to change your name will be Carla
and so Maria became Carla and even though her modeling career didn't turn
around her quote-unquote head did change and she found a piece with the end of
her modeling career that was deep enough where Constanzo gained another
follower got did she get a freaking smokers voice did she start wearing
nothing but flowy dresses Carla you're gonna change my name to Carla and expect
things to get better how many times models are told to just change every
single thing around them and then they literally just have to do it and they're
just say that's a part of the business he talked to a photographer and he said
it'd be great if you didn't have any hands that we're doing hands again this
season sorry well I mean you also got to think like it in the Mexican accent
Carla is a much prettier name than it is and say like a Tennessee accent Carla
but the next client was not interested in peace instead this client wanted
revenge also if your name is Carla it's a beautiful name and we love you very
much thank you for covering that yes well you don't want to piss off a
Carla I know they will throw a bowling ball out of the skylight in their car
right here if you fuck with the Carla Carla Hamulka we'll talk about her in
the future okay I love a Carla now his next client was Damiana Damiana was a
drag queen on the local scene and a club owner had refused to pay for a
performance and it sent hired goons after Damiana after she had demanded her
fucking money give her the money and so Damiana wanted the beating she
received from the goons to come back on that club owner tenfold so for five
hundred bucks Constanzo made a statue of the trickster god a legua out of a
coconut and had Damiana write the name of her enemy three times on a piece of
paper Constanzo then dunked the paper in chicken blood and stuffed it into the
coconut statue then he had Damiana write the name of the club owner three
times on another piece of paper that one was stuffed inside a doll along with a
chicken head soaked in blood then Damiana was then ordered to bury the
doll in a fresh grave after she done that Constanzo took the body of the dead
chicken whose head Damiana had buried and placed it on the doorstep of the
club owner's home along with a series of threatening letters written in blood
and within a month the club owner was dead from a heart attack I mean it didn't
help his fucking blood pressure because think about that shit just showing up
on your doorstep you know that it's bad it's bad news can't be good you just
got this like severed fucking chicken body all smeared with blood and you
have to be like well order that yeah honestly this is some crazy delivery I
honestly wish they had cooked these wings yeah it would be better now even
though Damiana Francisco and Carla were now a part of the cult the inner
circle was still Omar Martin the bodyguard and Jorge aka Dr. Hindu so with
a solid crew at his disposal Adolfo Constanzo finally got to the business of
making his own in Ganga in 1985 Wow he really did wait a long time well he
truly was training up I mean he's all I mean to be fair when it comes to
cult leader sometimes they don't buy their own bullshit but he really did oh
Adolfo Constanzo was a he knew that he was a wizard and he believed it entirely
yeah and I know that he did he con the cartels as we'll see once you start
getting into building your own in Ganga the level of commitment that it takes
just to do it just the practice of it is intense it takes a long time and you
slowly but surely build this so this shows the fact that he took it on he
now understood he's like okay it's now time for me to acquire true power for
ingredients Adolfo Martin Omar and Jorge went to a fresh grave which they
considered fresh being less than a year old and they dug up a body they stole
the skull the tibias the toes the ribs and the fingers because in the tradition
of the in Ganga these body parts would give the cauldron intelligence spirit
and soul and would also give the spirit that would one day inhabit the cauldron
the ability to walk and grasp things because the body is just a conduit for
another intelligence mm-hmm now to practice their dark magic they needed
the body of someone who had died violently either a murder or accident
victim well there's no way they're gonna find that in Mexico
everybody dies of old age most of the time and and a lot of times it's it
falling asleep falling yeah I know that's how people die
conversely they could also use someone who had lived violently either a criminal
or an evil witch but to make the most powerful in Ganga possible at least when
it came to evil purpose the best body to use would be that of someone who had
both lived violently and died violently and that was the type of person Adolfo
ended up using fucking 27 Club man Billy the Kid I don't know if 20 I don't
think Jimi Hendrix died or lived violent I don't know man yeah I don't know if
that's how they died yeah yeah I don't know yeah Kurt Cobain died violently but
all the rest of them just kind of either choked on their own vomit or drowned I
could see Jim Morrison leaving the most violent after 18 tequila Sunrises I
could see him shaking up a few places but I could see like Sammy Hagar having
his in Ganga like Phil with all sorts of different like you got some margarita
mix in there you got fucking just like some dude in there that just gave him
the fucking guitar skills that'd be cool to have it in Ganga with Jimi Hendrix in
there because then you just fucking are playing with all the interference and
man everybody's hanging out and fucking liking the music shit absolutely cool
yeah definitely be different if we were talented with music then we could look
like that yeah yeah we're not just chasing that dragon yeah sure sure so
after taking the body they left a small stack of pennies and a headless chicken
at the graveside a paltry payment to the spirits for a body taken from what was
supposed to be its final resting place they they shorted the spirit just to
get some well I mean that that was kind of the going rate in the spirit world
stack of pennies and a headless chicken I mean if you left him a 50 they're not
gonna be able to spend it it's all symbolic yeah man I mean these and these
corpses are work over tips okay all right and so with the human remains in
their possession the ritual was performed at an altar in Constanzo's
apartment in what is essentially the Mexico City equivalent of Chelsea in
Manhattan or the Castro district in San Francisco oh fun it's a fun social
zonarosa is a fun social district I love to go you have to walk into one
apartment mid this or mid Jeffrey Dahmer making somebody a zombie who do you
what do you want to walk in on I mean this one because at least the devil
good sounds so good do something for me Jeffrey Dahmer would just be like just
trying to make me dance and make me drink all the schlitz with him and don't do
it don't drink I don't want to and I don't like fish no I don't like looking at
fish you're kind of boring it's boring fucking it's a boring pet well it's a
weird pet yeah now in order for the spirit to take possession of and fuel the
enganga it first had to take possession of a dolphin because if a spirit does
not give its permission then the magic is spoiled and the magician has to try
again with someone else oh so his followers laid out Constanzo and covered
him in a white sheet as if he was being laid out for burial then one of the
followers placed seven heaps of gunpowder on a knife and held it above a
candle waiting suddenly Constanzo's face contorted and turned red his body
became rigid the veins in his neck and arms swelled and he clinched his fists
so hard that blood began appearing underneath his fingernails who the
dead man spirit was taking hold moving from the skull to Constanzo himself when
it became clear that the spirit had possessed their Padrino Omar asked the
all-important question do you agree to work for El Padrino to live in his
enganga and to serve him as your master Omar later said that the voice that
replied was unlike anything he'd ever heard something akin to as Edward Humes
wrote a wind blowing over tombstones a rustle of faded funeral wreaths a voice
no living thing should have finally it replied it then issued a stifled bark
which Omar said sounded like a laugh coming from a mouth filled with soil the
gunpowder on the knife then ignited and Constanzo snapped out of the trance
successful in his negotiations with the spirit all right they did it that's the
deal I love that final chapter they added on how to have a demon how to have a
demonic spirit possess you although I guess this is not it is this a demonic
spirit or is this is just there's no demonic or good there's no good no
evil there it just is okay as fire things it can both cook and destroy it can
it can indeed after that it came time to construct the enganga itself they had to
get physical they threw in the spirits earthly remains along with coins for
payment cemetery dirt roasted turtle railroad spikes a goats head deer antlers
peppers spices garlic scorpions coconut shells and a boiled black cat then they
covered the whole thing in chicken blood I tell you up in Rochester that's what we
call a garbage plate that's a garbage plate I don't know what they have the
railroad spikes in there railroad spikes because the iron that is one thing and
also they all have specific they have all of specific uses and I don't know all
of them I know that the antlers they view that as sort of like the speaking
point a lot of times what they'll do with antlers is that they are put on top of
the enganga the enganga is a giant cast iron pot that he has all of these things
hanging out of it and then you take the horns off at times and you'd you leave
you if you have to leave the enganga you'd take the horns with you and it's
like a little walkie-talkie for the enganga okay then at the center of the
cauldron they placed 28 sticks or polos Palomayambe and those sticks were
taken from a variety of trees which Constanzo said have been asked
permission and given payment for the use of their branches everything must be as
permission what if it said no you gotta go to another tree did they ever say no
yeah they do they do yeah yep I don't know how they say no I think it's like
the ants I love the ants leave them alone once the polos were in place the
cauldron was finally a proper home for the spirit which which this spirit had
now become what is known as an enkisi from then on Constanzo had to bargain
with trick or bribe his enkisi with money blood or sacrifices and in return
the enkisi would empower Constanzo spells and travel the world for him
committing good or most often evil evil so what's important in this is that the
priest himself holds no power the priest is a conduit for the spirit the spirit
is his power okay when he does is he's just a messenger but eventually what
we're gonna see is Adolfo Constanzo starts meshing those two together it's
like Scott Stapp and the band creed the lyrics come to him
for the truth whatever medium Scott speaks to really I would love to see
the font of illumination absolutely now when it comes to Engangas each one is
built for a specific purpose most are built with good intentions healing and
helping but Constanzo's in Ganga was created to inflict curses sickness
death and misfortune got in Ganga very God very God and so the day after its
creation Constanzo sprayed the in Ganga with rum and cigar smoke and offered the
blood from a hen and a rooster he then reached in and grabbed the human tibia
and the antler so he could physically interact with the spirit and bring it
under his control and once he did that Constanzo gave the in Kisi its first
assignment protect his cult make them rich and bring them more followers and
sure enough within a year Constanzo had made enough money to buy a new condo in
an upscale downtown neighborhood and the followers had kept coming the whole
time he instinctively knew that the money in cults is in real estate yeah
absolutely look at McDonald's for crying out loud the biggest cult of all time
yeah that's right in a weird way you like you but you are an adherent no I
actually I know I only got into McDonald's once Uber Eats once they
started delivering it now I have since stopped well I was just excited about
getting it delivered but then it really makes you feel sick and you don't even
feel full and I don't get however even though Adolfo Constanzo's new apartment
was immaculately clean there was one room filled with death and rot in every
home that Adolfo owned the only he and his followers were allowed to enter that
was el cuarto de los muertos or the room of the dead
cool good name for a movie did so much better than like stinky room cuz that's
what it was it was a very stinky room but he kept it clean so his mother
obviously was mentally ill right oh yeah so but so he was able to like well he
was able to sort of quarter off one area which must be a mental thing as well
I think as a good wizard he understood compartmentalization yeah and that he
knew that he wanted to make that space it's sacred space it would hold more
power like edgine in his mother's bedroom exactly like that and I or like
when they say you shouldn't work in bed like you shouldn't work or do anything
besides like have sex or go to sleep in your bedroom what if that is work for
you different if there's cameras in there so yeah yes indeed but being in a
more fashionable neighborhood met more fashionable followers and in 1986
constanso played magician to a Mexican pop singer named Oscar at the whose
career was on a slow downward spiral it had been three years since Oscars last
hit photographia which is it's pretty good I like it and Oscar told these
troubles to Adolfo's right-hand man Omar all at a bar in zona Rosa and after
here and all this Omar told at the that he knew a man who could help so Omar
brought at the to a meeting at the Mexican equivalent of a Denny's a place
called Vips well also happened to be constanzos and therefore the cult's
favorite place to eat in all of Mexico City well this just shows you how
susceptible it is when you're on the way down you look at CC Deville from
poison it's very possible he could have gotten into this group as well he was
very low for a time when he gave all that weight because there's nothing
sadder than a musician who hasn't had a hit in three years and you know he's
hammered at this bar oh he's desperate perfect and a slow descent a slow
downward spiral it's actually kind of relaxing it's like coming down like you
know when you drive a base though but if you if it really is a descent like
hopefully of a base where it's like yeah I'm not as famous as I used to be but I
still might my next day that the base is just it's pure degradation and homelessness oh
well Oscar at the was a he was one of those pop stars he very much worked off
of his looks but his hair was thinning people
so after Adolfo and Oscar spoke over a meal of burgers and fries because this
is yet another fucking cult that runs off of burgers
burgers are you got everything you need to help it brings communities
together yes it does Constanzo said that he'd perform Olympia's or a cleaning
on a thief for $5,000 but when a thief said that he couldn't afford $5,000
Constanzo said you know what I like you I'll do it for free whoa all you got to
do is bring me more customers he turned him into a recruiter
but this is what the military does when you can't afford to go to college yep
now later when the cults more gruesome crimes came to light Oscar said that
while he knew nothing about all of the dark shit he evened he fully admitted
to benefiting from a jumpstart in his career after the ritual he's like yeah
they did some fucked up stuff I didn't know about any of that but that shit
worked like a true performer he knew to close his eyes to the secret of money
and you know Oscar at the and he'd kept up his end of the bargain he brought
Constanzo celebrity clients he brought him actress and author Imra Serrano
telenovela star Lucia Mendes and Alfred Palacios hair stylist to the stars cool
when are people gonna realize celebrities are shallow beasts just
wanting to be filled by philosophy that isn't theirs I think they do and that's
where they like them yeah and before long Constanzo had even developed a
literal magical menu with prices that were commensurate to the value of the
animal sacrificed and therefore the power of the ritual requested what and you
can see here the Robin tug will just be $10 that's just a flat fee the roosters
could be had cheap at six bucks and a goat was similarly not too bad at 30 but
the prices started to rise with boa constrictors 450 if you want to
sacrifice one of those and at the top level you had zebras that was 1100 or a
lion cub thirty one hundred dollars but it's about the power of the lion's
blood and also about how expensive it is to buy a fucking lion yeah just how
much money it cost to fucking buy the animal now once Constanzo started
getting a little celebrity shine it wasn't long before he got the attention
of the people who would become his best customers and would introduce him into a
world of violence here to for unknown to the cult drug traffickers whoa and
that's where we'll pick back up for part two of Adolfo Constanzo Adolfo
Constanzo shit is about to pop off immediately we'll see next week these
this episode is gonna be so fucking drenched in blood because this is when
it really starts to go Adolfo Constanzo he he understands that in order to
control a group of murderers you have to be alpha murder right make everybody
else very scared of you and he fits that role he goes from playboy fashionable
wizard to the stars to a common dawn of a death cold in like a year yeah I'm
all right well we will cover the nitty gritty next week this just lays the
groundwork absolutely fast a fascinating great job on sort of I know
bullet point in the religion and I'm sure there's much more to it so if you
want to side email us at side stories side stories LP o TL at gmail.com I
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I'd love to speak but to somebody who knows more about Palo Mallon Bay
absolutely it's highly interesting yeah absolutely and yeah hope everyone is
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