Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 433: The Murderous Madness of the Twins Eriksson

Episode Date: December 5, 2020

This week, we tell the story of Ursula & Sabina Eriksson and the act of insanity that sent shivers down the spines of those who witnessed it.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. Why? That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Boys, you know what I was thinking last night? Wouldn't it be fun if we were sisters?

We are kind of sisters if you think about... Well, it's a brotherhood. It's the same thing, but we have six balls and three dicks. No, but we'd go and we'd sit in our little straw beds and we'd braid each other hair. You don't have any hair. My back has hair. We could just do that now and call ourselves brothers.

Did we sit and talk about it? No, but it's more fun when you're wearing the long night dresses and you sit there and you just think about wondering if we'll crisp and come back from the war. Maybe, you know, and maybe Marcus will go... I'm like, what's wrong, Marcus? I believe I've come across a bit of the consumption bias. Oh, no!

What would I ever do without my sister? Maybe father will allow you to wear his war coat just for one moment this Christmas. Oh, what's that telegram? Dad is dead. What's up, everyone? Welcome to the last podcast on the... Benjamina! Oh, who will I be allowed to marry now? I don't know, yeah, dad died. They said it was a friendly fire.

Apparently he was super annoying. He kept on talking about his daughters. Oh, no, dad's friends is going to come to the home and choose each one of us to marry and we'll be separated. Well, indeed, much like the Chihuahua, sometimes separation is good. Okay, by the way, Jerry, he's a Beagle Chihuahua. He's getting more Chihuahua every day and I say, Chihuahua out! Like an exorcist.

Okay, so although you know what I say about the Chihuahua, the Chihuahua is the salt of dogs. Every dog should have a little Chihuahua, but not too much Chihuahua. You've hijacked the whole beginning of the show. All right, everyone. Well, why is everybody talking about sisters? Because today we are talking about a pair, a duo, a demonic duo, the murderous madness of the twins, Ericsson.

Chihuahua and Sabina Ericsson were identical Swedish twins who, in 2008, simultaneously lost their minds during a bizarre and mysterious trip to the UK that ended with a case of cold-blooded murder. Now, this story has fascinated me for a number of years because there was a documentary that came out in 2011 when I first saw it called Madness in the Fast Lane. That was on BBC. A bunch of years ago, you gotta watch it.

But this story is fascinating. I love that title. Cool. Now, we may not have known about this story at all, had part of the twins' breakdown not been caught on camera during the filming of a UK reality show called Traffic Cops, which is actually a lot more exciting than it sounds. Really? I would rather watch a documentary called Window Washers, or Pork Boys.

My father was a traffic cop, and a lot of traffic cops... I mean, most of it involves just sitting and watching accidents happen, going, that's gonna take a lot to clean up. Yeah, I wish I wasn't so drunk for today. I didn't know there was gonna be an accident. No, it's traffic... like, there's car chases. It's kind of like an approximation of real stories of the highway patrol.

Very cool. Like, that's what the traffic cops are in UK. For one of the traffic cops, it seems... in the UK, why are all the traffic cops like... nanos? They look like aunts and aunties. Like, it's a lot of, like, ladies that you think would make a really nice, like, sweet bar.

Well, they'll also yell at you if you're driving too fast. I actually think all traffic cops should be no younger than 50, and should all be women. See, that's brave. Well, in the UK, like, I mean, actually, cops are trained in hand-to-hand combat a lot more than they're trained here. I would rather fight an American cop who is unarmed over a cop from the UK any day of the week.

Whoa, weird. That's a very controversial statement, because I don't know if... I don't believe in anybody that dangerous if they call Jiu-Jitsu Jiu-Jitsu. Well, that's true. But thankfully, our officers don't have to use hand-to-hand combat. They don't have to. They don't have to. They have all their weapons from the military.

Yeah, like fat Batman's. But since the most bizarre part of the breakdown was caught in full by a reality show camera crew, we are all now able to witness the incident as it unfolded that day on the side of a busy motorway near the city of Stoke-on-Kent. It involved delusional proclamations, multiple assaults on police officers,

and the seemingly impossible survivals of both Ericsson twins after they were separately hit by vehicles during the fracas, which were all incidents that the twins themselves set in motion. You might be wondering, how did we get here? They walked. Oh, no kidding. Then, the day after the incident on the motorway, one of those twins, still obviously suffering

from some sort of psychosis, murdered a good Samaritan who was only trying to help. I tell you what, if he was a good Samaritan, he would have survived. Well, technically, it was kind of an average Samaritan, because, you know, his skill set wasn't up to par. Well, I think he sacrificed the most any Samaritan can sacrifice, so I'd say he's a great Samaritan. Thank you for saving us.

Now, this story is wrapped in multiple mysteries, and the more you learn, the more questions arise. Stripped down to its core, however, this is a story of out-of-control mental illness, but of an entirely different kind than what we've ever covered. You know, to be honest, I actually think out-of-control mental illness is better than in-control mental illness, because then you get Jeff Bezos.

When it's in control, it's very focused, and it ruins everything. Out-of-control, it's kind of like buckshot. So, yeah, you're going to get hit a little bit, but as we know from Dick Cheney's friend, you can survive a lot of pellets, especially Bezos, which is just a sniper to your brain. The big thing about getting a lot of pellets is you also have to be able to keep a secret,

like to keep the pellets inside of you, but we are actually really good examples of three people with in-control mental illness. Yes, laser-focused in-control mental illness. Yeah! Well, this is not a slow burn of warning signs, ignored diagnoses, and willful ignorance. Rather, this is the story of an explosion

fueled by a rare psychiatric syndrome known as fully adieu. Fully adieu. Fully adieu, which translates to English as a madness for two. A madness for two. That's adorable. Oh, my God, this is the greatest Valentine's Day of all time. I can't believe you brought me to Alice in Wonderland-themed restaurant.

Yes, now it's time to shit our pants and tell the world how Barack Obama's trying to make me menstruate. Oh, my, this is a crazy place. But it's, you know, double insanity. This is one of the weirdest. Like, because it's also, it's kind of pulled out of the left-hip pocket by psychiatrists a lot of times,

trying to figure out why, like, mothers and sisters kill people sporadically. This is one of those, and it's a very specific thing, kind of does fall down into the world of, like, it's mother-daughters and sister-sister, which is very interesting, because there'll be a great episode of Tea and Tamara of that. Oh, I love that show.

Just like in fucking dirty bathrobes on the street talking about how fucking there are gremlins at the Walmart. That's the reboot right there. Now, we're getting to the full story of the Ericsson twins here in a bit, but before we do, let's fully explain just how a Madness for Two works. And we're also going to go into a few other examples of the phenomenon in which criminal activity was the result. Madness for Two is a shared psychosis in which delusional belief

and sometimes hallucinations are transmitted from one person to another. Usually this happens when the two sufferers are socially or physically isolated, overly stressed, or, in the case of the twins, extraordinarily close. In fact, from the cases I've seen, Madness for Two happens almost exclusively in families or in people who are already in familiar relationships, like close friends or marriages.

There's, like, many cults that are a little bit more intense, because it's not just, like, conscious thought. It's somehow two people or more get together and then they all begin to either get the delusions downloaded into them by an aggressor or everybody kind of spontaneously jumps on to the crazy bandwagon together. There's always one person up top. There's always a primary with all of this that, for some reason, everybody else joins in on.

And those other people, like, most of the time, have no past history of mental illness in any way whatsoever. They just happen to catch it. It's contagious psychosis. Interesting. Now, these delusions can take a couple of different forms. In bizarre delusions, a person might believe something impossible, claiming, for example, that a team of surgeons are sneaking into the room every night to swap out their organs without waking them up.

Well, that would be an amazing team of surgeons, and you would have to imagine they're little mice. It would be cuter that way, but I don't think that they don't take into account how difficult it is to schedule a surgery. How difficult it is to actually see a surgeon in any way, shape, or form, especially in America, is the idea of getting a consultation is very difficult. What they have just fantasized about is great health care. I would love that if you could have everything removed,

replaced overnight, and just wake up. Boom, boom, boom. I didn't even notice. Then there are non-bizarre delusions, things that are unlikely but still possible. In this case, a person might believe that the FBI is stalking them, even if the FBI has absolutely no reason to pay any attention to this person. But that's still a possibility. It is a possibility.

It depends on what you say on the Internet. Absolutely. But no matter the severity of the delusions, the phenomenon seems to follow a pattern. Usually there is a dominant personality known as the primary, who is suffering a delusion of some sort, and there's the submissive personality, the secondary, who's the one who joins in. And once that second person joins in, a feedback loop of delusion begins, which only increases in severity, especially if the people involved are stressed and isolated from others socially or physically.

Also, make sure to check me out. I'm actually doing a guest spot on Loop of Delusion on OANN. Oh, I love Loop of Delusion. OANN! Yeah, you should check me out. It's great. I'm talking all about how... Never go near the sewers! Don't go near the sewers! Never go near the sewers!

Well, now you've gotten... Wow, this actually did work, because have you seen the Las Vegas Sewer Map of Disappearing People? How it connects right to the sewers? That is what I'm about to say. And that is a great example of how it works, but that is real. Check out the Sewer Map of Las Vegas. The Sewer Map of Disappearances is, to me, in the same world as the smiley face murderers,

where I don't fully get it, where it's just drownings that happen near smiley face stickers. It was spray paint. Yeah, it's very freaky. It's smiley face killer, by the way, a bleep to be a cop. A bleep to be a cop. They don't know. They don't even know if they're connected. Well, the fully... With a fully adieu...

A loop of delusion creates a second feedback loop. Only a Texan could ruin the French language like that. Dude, I got no fucking clue. I've been practicing all week long. Like, I've been practicing like... And I listen to the fucking YouTube... The pronunciations are like... I don't know how to fucking do it, man. I ain't got the mouth for it. You can do so many accents.

Also, do you think that when they were recording, do you think G&R ever had one pedal that they called the loop of delusion? Maybe. I don't know why I decided to say that loop of delusion. I've been very mad at G&R because every time it comes up, it's that war, they have a horrible song. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, the second feedback loop, the more the delusions increase into severity,

the more stressed the sufferers become. And they become more paranoid, which socially isolates them even more. But sometimes, folie à dire can develop in a pair of seemingly sane human beings who are simply introduced into a stressful, isolating situation. Take, for example, the murder of David Coughlin. This story fucked up.

Now, in full disclosure, I found this story in a Reddit thread about the Ericsson sisters in a comment posted by the host of a podcast so as far as I can tell, no longer exists. But even so, I'd still like to acknowledge that source. Now, in 1999, David Coughlin and his best friend, Rafi Kodikian, were taking a road trip from Boston to California when they decided to embark on a days-long hike

through Rattlesnake Canyon in southern New Mexico near Carlsbad Caverns. This is sort of like when Nat and I had a little anniversary trip up to Big Bear, and I had this idea of we should hike. You had that idea? I was like, oh, people hike. I see this all the time. I see pictures of people hiking. I was like, we should do it.

So Nat and I were like, okay. And then we went to the hiking place, and we both realized we don't have proper shoes for hiking. Here are my Air Maxes. We had no water. We had no snacks. Nat's just in her nice workout gear. Just jeans and shit. And we realized we had nothing to hike with.

None of the tools. We had none of the shit. We cut to the bears. Hiding behind the bushes, just being like, I hope there's two fucking city slickers come into my woods. Ooh, we have lunch for days. But it apparently takes a lot to hike. Yeah, of course. It's hard to hike. Me and Carolyn are like experienced hikers,

and we still almost died in the Appalachian Mountains. I just... Don't do that. Don't hike. You just yelled at me for gambling. I spent very little money gambling. You know what you can't do in a casino? Dehydration. Because all they do is give you drinks. That's opposite. You are drinking, but you're not getting hydrated.

Something's happening. I'm going to the bathroom a lot. I also didn't yell at you for gambling at all and didn't even mention your specific gambling in any way whatsoever. Well, I'm bringing it up. Boom, boom, boom. Somebody got triggered. Well, these two guys, after hiking for a few days, they got lost and somewhat dehydrated. They'd only brought three pints of water and one pint of Gatorade

for a days-long hike through the desert. And they'd already used a whole pint of their water to boil hot dogs during their first camp out. Number one, you're camped out. You cook them over a fire. Number two, you can eat raw hot dogs that were already cooked. Number three, can't you just drink the hot dog water? They threw it out after they boiled the hot dogs. Honestly, these deserts, that is wrong.

How they did that was wrong. What do you do when you do that? You just are going to pour hot dog water out. Doesn't that make coyotes to track you? But I also... Idealities do not attack human beings. They're terrified of us. No kidding. Isn't that interesting?

Well, now I'm going to go pet one. Drinking hot dog water, I think I might rather die of dehydration. I don't know. There's sometimes what I think about how it gets a good little fat boy thing. Hot dog water popsicles. It's an idea. Pussy pops. Why would you call them? Anyway, all right.

Pussy pops, the hot dog-flavored popsicle. Get out of the shark tank. How did you get on the show? But even though the human body can go three to four days without water, these two guys panicked the moment their reserves ran out. They started licking rocks, eating cactus fruits, and even started drinking their own urine after only a day. They wanted to do that.

I mean, they wanted to. They saw bear grills in their legs. I want that life. Then, when David Coughlin began vomiting the next night, the panic truly set in. Both of them thought that Coughlin was nearing death, so the two hastily entered into a murder pact, followed possibly by a suicide. Coughlin begged his friend to kill him then and there,

and Kodikian, in the throes of a madness for two, obliged him by stabbing his best friend twice in the chest. He then buried Coughlin under a pile of rocks, and waited to die himself. But when he was found by park rangers not too long after, it was discovered that Kodikian was only moderately to severely dehydrated, and nowhere near close to death. In fact, Kodikian had buried his friend using rocks,

weighing up to 70 pounds, which would have been impossible for someone on death's door. Oh, God, I'm just so thirsty. I'm so thirsty, huh? God, I'm so thirsty. You know what I need? I need a quick pump. Let me get my... One, two, three, four, five, six... Oh, yeah, you are thirsty. I'm getting thirsty, too, speaking of that. I need a little pump. Let me get my little...

I brought my weight machine with me. Oh, yeah, I'm getting thirsty. It's all about lightweight. You want to lightweight a lot of reps. So thirsty. As far as David Coughlin went, while he was dehydrated when he died, it wasn't anywhere near fatal. As it turned out, Coughlin had vomited not from severe dehydration, rather because the unripe cactus fruit he'd eaten

hadn't agreed with his stomach. The two men had merely fallen into a madness for two, and their paranoia resulted in an entirely unnecessary, yet still requested, mercy killing. Kodikian pled guilty to second-degree murder, and the court, thankfully recognizing the extenuating circumstances, sentenced him to a two-year sentence and five years probation. And a lifetime supply of Pedialyte.

This is actually kind of nice of the jury to do that. Yeah. As far as John Coughlin's family went, they released a statement saying that even though they had questions, they did not believe that Rafi Kodikian acted with malicious intent when he killed their son. They were very, very close friends, and so at the time, there's something about being isolated

that adds to it, and their fear. Like, there was something about... Because neither one of them, it seemed, from my research, had a history of mental illness in any way, shape, or form. It sounds like they just went out to the desert, and the freak-out was so intense and so quick that they just lost all bearing of reality. Wow.

Mm-hmm. And sometimes, a foley a dur can become a foley a troie, or croître, or even a foley en famil. Oh, yeah, I remember that scene in JFK. Oliver Stone's JFK, remember that? Mm, really, really hot, full of croître. Check out when John Candy was having all the ass sacks. John Candy was not in that scene.

That was not John Candy. I don't know how many times I have to tell you two fuckers that John Candy was not in the orgy scene. Get the net. 83 more times, get the net. 83 more times just to tell us. But that's that Mandela effect. Who's getting made love to in that?

It's Tommy Lee Jones and Kevin Bacon. Those were the ones, they were the ones in the orgy scene. Kevin Bacon. Dressed up as two British folks. Yeah, Kevin Bacon has got a hog, by the way. I think that's why he's laughing, Mr. Bacon. Oh, yeah, he's got a huge dick. Huge dick.

Or is he just very tiny? We could talk about this all day. And jacked. Yes. Well, the madness of families was the case with the Tromp family in Australia just four years ago. With the Tromps, the madness began with a patriarch, Mark Tromp, aged 51.

Tromp and his wife, Jacoba, ran a successful berry farm on the outskirts of Melbourne with their three adult children all in their 20s. Oh my goodness. And all was going well until Mark began suffering from stress and paranoia. I can't imagine just how much pressure there is in the world of berries.

Oh my God. I mean, you imagine you go out there in the fields. The nose trying to build homes out of your wares. You got all of the mischievous orphans. Yeah. You're getting from the chain gang to go steal berries to eat from. You got the magic rabbits living down in the burrows underneath. That's just got to mean all these people coming from.

And then never mind the Jews. Well, I don't know what that means. But I was picturing a field full of dudes named Berry. Isn't that kind of funny, too, if you think about it like that? Well, Mark Tromp had convinced himself that someone was going to come and kill the entire family on their farm for the simple purpose of stealing their money. And his personal psychosis soon spread to his wife

and eventually two of their three children. It was a highly successful berry farm. It sounds like they were worried that the Bernstein bears were going to come and eat all their food and then live in their house. They did think that, honestly. But that's where madness to me becomes truly scary, obviously, when it's something that cartoonish,

because they started to believe that people were going to... I didn't believe that the Bernstein bears were coming. No, but it's along those lines. They thought that other families from other farms were going to run from their homes and attack them within their own homes for their berries. They thought their berries were in danger and then it became like the scene in The Jerk

when all the cans started exploding. It's like, we got to get away from the cans. They realized this is a berry-centered problem. We are up to our fucking eyebrows and berries. We got to get away from them. It would be kind of fun if there was a peanut farm nearby and then there was a big tornado and the berries got picked up with the peanuts

and then it created a jelly and a peanut butter mix and then that could go in and be a great kind of a mixture if you think about a commercial. That is just a commercial. An animated commercial. Was it a commercial with the peanut butter and the jelly in the same jar? Yeah, it's squeezables.

I never bought it. I never bought it. Glad we got to this point. Never bought it. One human laziness. That's a Brian Regan bit. Yeah. One night, very suddenly,

the trumps loaded into their car with their adult children in a panic and fled their farm, leaving behind passports, credit cards, and cell phones in an attempt to go off the grid. Apparently, according to Mark Tromp, the attack was imminent.

The only one who brought their phone was middle child Mitchell, who was the only member of the five-person family who had not succumbed to the madness and he'd only gone on the trip to make sure everyone else was okay. It's always like the monsters had the normal child.

It's the same thing where it's just like one not crazy child who just seemed like, I'm just going to go ahead and bring my phone. Because it just seems like, it's kind of fun. I haven't seen mom and dad this passion in a long time. I saw them kiss on the mouth for the first time

in like a year and they're kind of talking. So maybe there's something about this family that's like making everybody come together like it's a Christmas miracle. So I'll ride with it for a while. But the trumps only made it about 20 miles from home before the whole family was screaming at Mitchell to throw his cell phone

out the window because they were convinced someone was using it to track them. Well, that probably was happening to be fair. We don't need to have chips in the vaccines. You have a phone. Yeah, yes, indeed. Well, all throughout that night,

the trumps drove almost 500 miles to escape their imaginary pursuers. But at 7 a.m. the next day, Mitchell decided he couldn't take it anymore and he separated from the group taking multiple trains to get back home. Have you ever been a part of a family vacation so bad that you could just imagine

just being like, I'm just getting on the fucking bus. Just getting on the fucking bus. This is done. I don't want to be in Orlando anymore. I know I'm 12 but I'm not really certain how the rails does them work but I'm out because dad just fucking

he pushed me in front of Aladdin. That happened one year in Orlando. He pushed me in front of Aladdin. Well, why? Because he said that I should have been trying harder to get an autograph from Aladdin. Oh, he pushed you towards Aladdin?

Yes. Does he know that that's not... That's different from pushing you in front of Aladdin. He's pushing you towards Aladdin. But Aladdin was there. Right. And I had to be embarrassed in front of technically the coolest rogue in the Disney catalog. Wow, that's a strange autograph to get.

Yeah, that's weird. So did people do that at Disney parks? They ask for autographs from the characters? Of course. And the other phenomena that I don't like is when they say it's Mickey and tell him that you love him. Tell him you love him. And then you have to like kiss some like

weird... God knows what's inside the... God knows. I love you and you hear like Muffle a... roll over to... roll over. Well, later that morning after Mitchell left, his two sisters peeled off from the group as well

at a tourist spot called the Genolan Caves. They escaped the situation by stealing a car and they went and filed a missing person's report on their parents. After making the report the sisters separated as well. One drove the stolen car back home

while the other, still under the spell of Feli et Emil, climbed into the bed of a truck where she wasn't discovered until the driver had traveled for almost an hour. That is so scary. It's really scary and this is one of these things about this syndrome that I find

interesting is that for some reason it makes people scatter. Yeah. At some point in the illness or whatever the... I want to say a scenario like I don't know how to describe it like an episode people just become like rabbits

and start running in various directions which we'll see with the Ericsson twins very famously. But this happens in all of these stories where they go into plans like it's a bunch of methods doing a bunch of weird afternoon activities. If they scattered like a bunch of rabbits they would hop

Henry you fucking idiot. You fucking idiot. They would hop if they scattered like rabbits you fucking moron. Well not only do they scatter but sometimes when they're separated they go catatonic because that's what happened with this girl

the girl who was in the back of the truck in the bed of the truck when she was found she was unable to say her real name. It took months in a mental hospital for her to regain her faculties to broker. Wow. Now it's at this point that the media got involved.

Once Mitchell Trump went on TV asking for help officials began an interstate search for his obviously mentally ill parents who by this point had gone from a madness of family to madness for two. Oh my god.

Romantic. You're getting a swerve back. Nice. And I'm very happy that truck driver who found that catatonic woman in the back of his truck wasn't like the nefarious star of the movie Overboard who took that woman and made her the mother of his children do you remember that movie Overboard?

She goes Overboard. Oh yeah that movie is about kidnapping. Oh wow. It is a sinister movie. It really is. But on Wednesday Jacoba and Mark separated in a town called Wangaratta. We're all stopping in Wangaratta We are always stopping in Wangaratta.

I'm not sure. Jacoba was found the next day over 200 miles away agitated and wandering about but Mark had stayed in town. For six days Mark hid out possibly breaking into various businesses around town

until he was finally found on the side of the road near Wangaratta airport. When police drove him away he defiantly flipped the bird to nearby photographers because at this point the Tromp family's misadventure

had become a national obsession. Well I remember I read the story when it first came out because it was before we were doing side stories but it would have definitely been a side story but I remember reading it and at first not fully understanding

but I had known about the Ericsson twins and the first seeing this idea of uh oh daddy's crazy and I wonder in a way as a family like if daddy goes crazy almost like survival instinct would make you kind of go crazy too

because if daddy's crazy and when else is crazy that's how we get like a dissolvo even though that's technically like the sun is crazy but that's like how you get a family annihilator. Later however, Mark Tromp fully and publicly admitted that he just had a massive meltdown

and he just said I'm sorry If I see one more jar of jelly If I see one more berry I just gotta get out there and I gotta say I'm sorry I overreacted I honestly should have worked out some kind of treaty

with the magical rabbits in my berry farm so they could leave some of the extra berries alone I should have done some of that and now I definitely should have had a negotiation with the Jews It does seem like you've been going on some websites

which perhaps has led to your mental breakdown as well Well all of this had come from a build up of normal everyday stressors and these stressors had settled into a madness for family feedback loop Now the stories of the tromps and David Coughlin involved close friends

and spouses but some of the most intense episodes of Fully Adieu occurs in twins This was certainly the case of the Gibbon Sisters of Wales also known as the Silent Twins identical

in both appearance and behavior June and Jennifer Gibbons were born in 1963 to immigrant parents from Barbados who had settled in the United Kingdom Now it was obvious that there was something different about the girls from the very beginning when they began speaking

they communicated in a cold metallic tone using a language that was indecipherable but anyone but them That's why it would be cool if we were three identical twins We all shared the same belly and we shared the same food for mommy and then when we came out we all could have

our own secret ways to eat I think you want to be conjoined I never want to experience your day to day How would we share the same belly then? No we'd be inside it because we were triplets Oh you want to be inside of a belly with Marcus and myself Swimming and eating

so underneath mommy's boobies This year has been hard on everybody This has been a hard year for a lot of people I just need to use my imagination in different ways Yeah you definitely do Well concerning the speech of the Gibbons twins when a speech therapist recorded what was being said and slowed it down

considerably it was discovered that they were actually speaking Beijing Creole extraordinarily fast faster than anyone but them could process Think about how crazy that is to like sit with the twins and record them speaking

and then it's just like very intense metallic like you can't understand and then they just put it on the radio and they slow it down and they're like you want some bread? That's so weird bullied for being both strange

and for being the only black children in their small Welsh town Jennifer and June began speaking to nobody but each other and if communication was necessary but their madness of two seems to be extraordinarily long term it was theorized

that Jennifer seemingly the less intelligent of the two controlled June through subtle facial tics and body language making Jennifer the primary Wow that's cool that's what we have to wonder Master Blaster was Blaster not in charge of master

we just will never know I think that is what they're saying These twins also defined co-dependency this is another story of catatonia when their parents tried separating them by sending the girls to different boarding schools they both went completely catatonic

and seemed not only unwilling but unable to communicate until they were reunited and I think this will you'll see a stripe of this in the Ericsson twins story as well where there's something about pulling them apart either makes them go catatonic

or something like it kind of breaks the spell something happens and then they come back together it's very strange once back together the Gibbons sisters began writing novels set in a bizarre almost dystopian version of 1950s America

one novel was Pepsi Cola addict which was about a teenager who drank 300 cans of Pepsi a day while improbably living in a tenement house in Malibu that's called a tiktok influencer absolutely an incredible

I love that concept how was the novel? it's very difficult to read very very few copies exist of it it's scattered all of their novels were scattered there were dozens of novels

plays thousands of pages of diaries a spectrum let's just do let's do Dianetics and David Ike on the spectrum of David Ike's surprisingly is very no it's not easy to read the greatest answer or whatever

but it has a flow Dianetics is a con man tapping like as fast as humanly possible so that's more of like an improv lecture that's what I would call that so this is closer to Dianetics it's fiction I mean this is 100% fiction

this is closer to the battlefield earth which also I want to read but it's got a flow and it's about leverage I mean they had some cool ideas they had another novel called The Pugilist that was about a physician who kills the family dog for its heart so he can transplant the organ

into his child except the dog's spirit survives the operation and the child dog kills the father in revenge that's fucking awesome no that's the shaggy dog it's the shaggy dog with the murder at the end that's fucking killer

I'm just saying that's not that unique of an idea I'm saying it's unique, I'm saying it's great but when the literary world ignored the Gibbon sisters and when they self-published Pepsi-Cola addict through a vanity press to no acclaim the then teenage twins turned to rapidly escalating juvenile delinquency

it began with shoplifting, drinking and sniffing glue the trifecta of cool but that soon graduated to breaking and entering eventually the attempted arson of a public building after being arrested however

they were grossly over sentenced to an indefinite stay at the infamous Broadmoor criminal lunatic asylum yeah they didn't need that you didn't need to do that to them they could call it something nicer well the Gibbon sisters did not

deserve to be in there because listen to some of the people that they shared grounds with during their 10 years at Broadmoor they were there with Peter Sutcliffe they were there with psychopathic gang leader Ronnie Cray and they were there with Charles Bronson

aka Britain's most violent prisoner yeah it sounds like they really needed kind of like an art sponsor more than anything I feel like they could have been like a basquiat they could have been used you could say that what happens vaguely with basquiat but you could also

they could have been supported they needed a patron yes I'm at this level of quarantine where I've been taking self quizzes mostly buzzfeed but also some like what serial killer would you be based on your sign and apparently I'm Carl Panzeram he's cancer

very emotional very smart but also don't cross him I don't know what to do with you they called me Carl Panzeram in the survey you just ant to ever live and also I found out what Christmas movie I am Home Alone you are Home Alone

I can see that and I can see you booby trapping your home for no one Carl Panzeram stars in Home Alone and I am Carl Panzeram this is becoming a last podcast fan fiction I love it

well even besides the people who are actually there with the Gibbon sisters there was also Robert Maudsley who five years previous to their arrival had killed a child molester in Broadmoor with a fellow patient named David Cheeseman by shoving a spoon

into the molester's ear after nine hours of torture that fucking sounds like Arkham Asylum a cheese man he is just fucking treating the duties as like as soft as a wheel of Brie I will stick my mighty spoon

into your cheese brain I love the cheese puns cheese man in other words Broadmoor probably wasn't the best place for a couple of girls who had broken into a few buildings and set a few things on fire it was however obvious that their crimes and their isolation had been escalating

egged on by Jennifer who is said to be the evil twin after ten years in Broadmoor though just as the twins were about to be moved to a lower security facility Jennifer died of a sudden inflammation of the heart at the age of 29

apparently the twins had decided that for one to live freely the other had to die but to this day no one knows how that inflammation of the heart occurred Jennifer had agreed to die but no drugs were present in the corpse

there was no sign of foul play and she had no history of cardiac problems and this is not something that happened like 1895 I think this was 1993 this is like when your Mimu and Papu die within like two days of each other like Johnny

well no Johnny Cash did not die right after June but close after it was a few months, yeah it was less than six months I think I also found out when I was doing my searches that you can actually die of a broken heart because of the blood bustle did you google are you the saddest man that has ever lived

did you see anyone in your house and typing can you die of a broken heart into google and it actually tears the tissue you fuck and it's folklore no it's actually real, no it's actually real

you truly can die of a broken heart well sure enough after Jennifer Gibbons died June long thought to be the secondary began speaking and continues to live a relatively normal if supervised life in Wales 27 years

after her sister mysteriously set her free now that story has somewhat of a happy ending or at the very least nobody died that didn't want to die but the same cannot be said of our main subjects today Ursula and Sabina Ericsson now Ursula and Sabina already sounds

like like fucking trouble I honestly love the name Ursula and Sabina yeah I love those names Ursula and Sabina were identical twins born in a small town in Sweden in 1967 raised with an older sister named Mona

and an older brother named Bjorn little is known about their childhood other than the fact that they had no mental health issues or any run-ins with the law I bought a book that I thought was going to cause Ursula and Sabina Ericsson's story

this story has like a couple of I finally found like the conspiracy theory vein that I thought was gonna talk about like MKUltra and that they were Manchurian candidates and it doesn't, it's one of the worst books I've ever purchased it's called The Madness shared by Tude

written by David Cann it was in a private investigator who wanted to get into things that were a little fishy about this story which turns out the only thing was fishy was the fact that Ursula and Sabina were a little weird and did things a little differently

as we'll discover and that's when he couldn't get it he couldn't understand that anybody could be weird enough to do any of the things that they did and one tidbit that I gleaned from the book was about them as teenagers that he doesn't know if it's rumor or not

but that Ursula and Sabina it's just rumor it's a tidbit though but one story from something that grew up with them was that Ursula and Sabina were known as like kind of a terrible twosome in high school

and that they would like bully people and that Sabina was like super punk like had the crazy hair before anybody else did in town and it was just like them just like chain smoking and calling people fat I don't think that's kind of fun I like Ursula and Sabina don't cross them

I wouldn't mess with them so they were just mean but of course this is also the type of guy that you know hears that and is like so you knew that they had a future of criminality ahead this is also the same guy who wrote a book called immigration immigration immigration

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not about it's that's not a cry of love for immigration he's not like so excited it's happening no ironically it's all about foreign policy very strange title so it's an anti-book recommendation oh yeah

hours of my life wasted nothing to help in the episode I don't think we've ever done that before no it happens quite often you usually don't scream about it sometimes I do in 2000 both sisters decided to leave Sweden for separate destinations

Ursula came here to the United States while Sabina moved to County Cork in Ireland and whilst in Ireland she met a partner and had two children now the two sisters stayed in touch through social media and would speak to each other on the phone at least once a day

but they went years without seeing each other in person but that all changed on May 18th 2008 when the two sisters were in their late 30s I look for so much information on this period of their lives and I couldn't find jack shit which is the

the ultimate thing about Fedelele is that the madness is private it really is this it becomes the separate little bubble that's why it feels like a two person cult they kind of came back together after not seeing for years and what everybody said was that

they then became inseparable where they were almost scared to leave each other but of course that was only for one day because this shit got out of hand at a spectacularly fast pace for reasons unknown to anybody

and the other thing the reason why we don't know a whole lot about Ursula and Sabina is because they're both extraordinarily private people never spoken about any of this Sabina will refuse to speak about any of this it was no comment, no comment, no comment

no clue what their interior thoughts were which is kind of interesting how many times you'll see and we talk about on the show all the time about how the only way we know the inner lives a lot of the perpetrators of these crimes is because they talk after the fact and then we find out whether or not

then we kind of have to adjudicate whether or not they're full of shit or they're building their myth or they actually telling the truth I think it's kind of refreshing that she doesn't want to that she doesn't want to talk it's kind of nice actually now it's argued that the primary in this case of Madness for Two was Ursula, at the time

she suffered from a rare psychiatric disorder in which she could hear voices but couldn't understand what they were saying ah yes, like when you're in the McDonald's drive-thru no I want to eat McChicken McChicken I want the Travis Scott meal

you're a duck can you order the Travis Scott meal yeah it's not what do you mean we're not in North Korea we're not plastic food you just call it the Travis Scott meal it's called the Travis Scott meal it's like the Michael Jordan meal they had back in the early 90s

now this is just speculation on my part but I think it's possible that the two sisters began interpreting these voices together creating a bizarre fantasy world in which they were being pursued by persons and for reasons unknown

I do believe that Sabina might have had drug use in the past it sounds like she might have been into some shit when she was living in Ireland but I don't think that excuses because they said we all have drug use did the guy who wrote the book

was he the one that said that no I saw a couple of things because they were wondering how they go fucking so crazy so fast that was the great chapter in that book it was all about how immigration is bringing drugs into our twins our twins

your twins and twins but I wonder it just seems that something must have spurred something that kind of became conspiratorial very fast I don't know well remember they talked on the phone to each other almost every single day

so if there was something going on if there was some sort of build up then it very well could have started in those daily conversations in the case of David Coughlin that happened within a matter of days and they were so pretty close

and in the matter of the trumps as well that was also something that escalated pretty quickly so if they had just gotten together if they hadn't spoken to each other in years and years then maybe there would be other factors at play here

the extenuating circumstance but I think because they talked with each other on the phone I think the phone conversations actually led to the visit which led to the madness okay now once Ursula showed up in Ireland the twins refused to leave each other's side

and from reports Sabina and her husband got into an argument the first night Ursula was there although we don't know what the argument was about what we do know is that after the argument Sabina clandestinely packed a bag for a trip and the two sisters left the house in the middle

of the night without telling Sabina's husband or her two children where they were going well Sabina's husband did say the line and you guys can infer what it means it doesn't matter that your sisters who cares just pretend you guys are friends and we can go into the room and it doesn't know when cares

it doesn't matter I've seen it on video remember the Barbie twins they were super out they were twins right it doesn't matter just listen to me babe you guys are Swedish it's like you guys are one person well as it turned out the sisters had taken the overnight ferry

to Liverpool and had arrived on the shores of England at 8 30 a.m. the day after Ursula arrived back in the British Isles within less than 24 hours the madness for two had taken a hold in both sisters

it must have been the plan that they were going to do this but they also then didn't have a lot of a plan because then they showed up and then they just wandered around for about 36 hours I don't know if they had a plan or if there was something because I mean okay

that's the thing about this whole case is that like with every single little thing that they do you kind of have to question what is their motivation behind that but you also have to remember that they're both suffering from bizarre delusions so there really is no logic to anything that they're doing

there's an internal logic that makes sense to the two of them but you know internal logic on bizarre delusions is fucking indescribable but that's the only reason why that's the only thing I mean as a plan is that they had some hair brain scheme this is how it's

going to go down and we're going to talk a little bit about what they thought in a second now upon exiting the ferry the sisters immediately went to a police station and reported that Sabina's children back in Ireland were in danger but wouldn't say why they traveled out of Ireland to report the crime nor

would they say what the danger was one interesting thing that came from the book was apparently when they were in the lobby for the police when they were waiting to hear them like they went they filed their report because number one it was weird because the cops were

like why didn't you file this report in Ireland where you live why did you come to another country to report this and so while they sat and they were kind of figuring that shit out somebody walked into the lobby while they were waiting and Sabina had

a full on fucking meltdown like they did a full like like weird twin meltdown at this random person that walked in that they were like crab people they start the this thing that they're being hunted

wow once the police left the women alone to conduct actual investigations Sabina and Ursula snuck out of the police station and boarded a bus heading from Liverpool to London at 11 30 a.m. again for reasons unknown

now once the twins got on the bus the other passengers noticed that something was a bit off both sisters were nervous and both clutch their bags as if their lives depended on it refusing to stow them in the luggage compartment overhead for any reason I don't know

if these are like an American greyhound but do you have any of you messed up you have to be to be noticeably strange on a bus on a bus because you have people with like like holding a puppet that is their mother's head oh yeah you just have so many different folks I you thought a bus driver's job was to be

both blind and able to only see the rope yeah Ben do you remember when we took that greyhound bus from New York down to Washington DC and the woman behind us spent the entire trip practicing what she was going to say to Hillary Clinton when she got there

she had a lot to say she's right there she's not in the White House but she might be somewhere in Washington DC a bus driver noticed the erratic behavior as well and when he pulled over at one of those charming British motorway rest stops he told the twins

that he'd have to search their bags for illegal items if they wanted to continue the journey the twins naturally refused so the bus driver left them behind on his way out though he informed the manager of the service station that there were two identical twins

out in the parking lot acting suspiciously erratically and quite possibly criminally well they were so but you're the manager of this service station don't you just want to be like then get them the fuck out of here remember that when they were on your bus

and you just dropped them off in my rest station no they always have one new cop there that's like waiting for them to come up and be like alright then we'll see let's get ahead of them but the two girls were in they were dressed

it's not suspicious they looked like kind of like soccer moms all zipped up like soccer mom visors but pulled real low soccer moms on the run the big olds the big like kind of like

parkas zipped all the way up to the top of their throats and they're holding their bags above their breasts like if you see it the cctv footage of them just like scurrying around like they look like cartoon burglars well once the bus was gone the manager took a look for herself

and saw the twins clutching their bags to their chest while having an intense conversation the manager said that she couldn't hear the content but it looked to her like they were plotting something she wanted them to be plotting something because then she could be an action hero well not wanting to risk the possibility

of some bizarre terrorist attack the manager called the police but when officials arrived and spoke with the sisters they said the erikson's seemed normal even happy which we see evidence of in the documentary where they kind of flip all of a sudden there's like

oh they're just like normal ladies and they're just joking and talking like everything's cool so how much of that psychosis is taking over it seems like if they can flip from normal to plotting then they must be aware what they're aware of is their paranoia

they're aware that somebody is out to get them so what they're doing is they are changing their behavior in order to continue the delusion they are lost in a delusion so if they speak to a cop then they are they're gonna act like nothing's wrong because they have to get away

also they are now folding the cops into their delusion and saying that they are now also being persecuted by people in again not cops humans in cop uniforms that's like a hook that becomes things like oh you're just wearing a uniform

that doesn't make you a cop like you get into this whole world where like you're actually right and then blows my mind so magically you're like oh fuck yeah the object is not its name well but I do you know uniforms do matter if I see a pilot and he's not a real pilot and he's in pilot clothes

then it's scary if he's not a real pilot it is very scary yeah well because they were happy and nice the cops just gave them a phone number for the bus company so they could be collected by the next coach to London now later the sisters older brother Bjorn

would say that his sisters were running away from quote unquote maniacs but nobody has been able to spot anyone approaching them or following them on any of the TV footage captured that day this was the center of their hallucination

it believed that they were being attacked essentially and stalked by groups of people that were looking to sexually assault them they thought that they were running from place to place and this essentially it sounds like

it's very targeted individual talk because they thought a whole community of people were trying to kill them but spurred on by the delusion that their brother weakly defends the Erickson twins inexplicably took off on foot down the median of

the M6 motorway and that's when the chaos truly began now in the UK it's illegal to walk down the center median of a motorway so when a CCTV operator saw two women walking between two busy multi-lane roads in the middle of heavy

afternoon traffic called the police but before the police even showed up Sabina and Ursula for some reason decided to cross three lanes of heavy motorway traffic from the median to the shoulder

on the way Sabina was grazed by a compact car traveling about 50 miles an hour and suffered minor injuries but otherwise they got across okay it was like the school installed woman acting because she got she rolled

away from it but she just like I don't know how to describe it they casually step into oncoming traffic as if they are just crossing the street they do look like hurried like as they are looking because we watch at CCTV footage you see them like

kind of looking around and shit obviously but then they just kind of make the left and walk into traffic I do love this new psychological breakdown of the game Frogger I can't wait for them to come out with crazy Frogger why is he doing what he does

now the car that got the call from dispatch that day just so happened to be shadowed by a camera crew filming an episode of traffic cops and it's for this reason that we know exactly how this whole conflict went down do you think the traffic cops when they are

bored they go to like some kind of like Crumpet store probably I'm sure that they do suck crumpets aren't bad you ever had one yeah when have you had a crumpet when I went to get the crumpet

at the crumpet stop I'm sure I've had a crumpet I don't know they're dry and they suck now I don't have enough evidence to make my argument so fine I've been going and buying a bunch of meat pies at Miles of Kiswick here in New York City

at the British food store well the only one yeah but because there's also Italian food Chinese when police arrived to where the sisters were located Ursula and Sabina were calmly standing on the shoulder smoking cigarettes so the

cops didn't really think that this was going to be that big of a deal but what happened next points even stronger to the possibility that Ursula was indeed the primary sufferer of delusion here and that Sabina was the secondary merely following her sister's fantasy

so when the cops arrived the sisters were pretty affable just chatting and smoking in fact Sabina in particular seemed particularly harmless while wearing a yellow visor that appropriately said time to believe and it's really strange

in the documentary they really are just because they have the footage from the episode of traffic cops and they're just hanging out real normal just talking to the police no problems but very suddenly and without warning Ursula bolted

straight into oncoming traffic the officer speaking to her tried grabbing a hold of her jacket but Ursula wrenched herself free and dove straight under the back wheels of a moving semi seconds later Sabina mirroring her sister perfectly

did the exact same thing and was almost immediately struck by a Volkswagen Polo going about 40 miles an hour she smashed into the windshield put a large dent where the windshield met the roof and fell limply to the asphalt

and the cops immediately sprung into action and found that while Sabina was unconscious Ursula was somehow not only still alive after going under the wheels of a semi she was actually speaking miraculously the semi had only

crushed her legs but when police tried helping her all she would do was spit and scream at anyone offering assistance telling them that she recognized them all and that none of them were real been there yeah we've all been there

it's hard man when you are dealing because they're desperately trying to help these women yeah right because Ursula's trying to get up with two broken legs her legs are now they are baked ziti they are no longer legs and she's trying to like get up

like it's no problem and they're just pushing her down and eventually like they're desperately trying to help her but they're also like just having to like pin her to the asphalt as she's struggling and they're constantly trying to cover in those foil blankets those foil fold out blankets

they're just trying to cover in this thing over and over again and she's just not having any of it you gotta sell it like she's a baked potato you're a potato while she was completely broken from the waist down she was nearly animalistic from the waist up

clawing at any officer who came near her while calling them either fucking assholes or bitch asses bitch ass was her particular favorite I kind of like that though it's one of those like if you're Swedish and then you kind of get into like one American phrase and you're just like I like this one

yeah absolutely but this wasn't anywhere near the end of it 15 minutes later Sabina came to and even though she had just been hit by a car she seemed completely unfazed and continued mirroring Ursula's behavior

she just popped up what she just got up like I have no she took a full on hit from a car she rolled over the hood and then she gets up and she's fucking going into box and stance she starts like moving her feet they're trying to

surround her and shit I mean she's just like hey hold me can't catch me and they were stealing pigs they were totally sober no drugs in the system we'll get into that in a second the female officer tried calming Sabine but she started but she started screaming about

how they were all trying to steal her organs trying to steal my organs oh don't do that she then stood up punched an officer and ran into moving traffic on the other side of the motorway yelling about how the police weren't real

whoa ain't none of y'all real though oh my goodness she fucking keyed into the secret man we were all fucking constructs dude but she the shot that she gave that cop looked like she must have taken a boxing class or something because the cop was there like alright alright let's get

okay then and she did one of those like hip shots where she like she cracked it and from underneath she went bap just like hit her in the jaw and you just watch her whole fucking neck just snap around she's just like not expecting to get fucking gold cocked

falling like Nate Robinson did that was a nice shot yeah indeed well thankfully Sabine wasn't hit again by another car but when a police officer tried chasing after Sabine settled into a full combat pose bouncing around like she was in the middle

of a boxing match instead of the active motorway where she was then standing now remember most cops in the UK are not armed because had this happened in America there is no doubt that guns would have been drawn the moment Sabine

struck an officer they mostly kick when they have to why what is happening here let's just done with it wow but yes to that point cops would have shot her 19 times oh yeah

this is one time that I would actually say it would have been really good for them to have tasers we could compromise with the taser but since this was the UK and their cops rely more on hand to hand combat citizens in their car

on the motorway had to get out to assist in the arrest of Sabine Erickson because the two cops attempting to do so just weren't cutting it it took six people to take Sabine Erickson down including two grown men

that Sabine was waving around like fucking ragdolls it was it is wild to see the strength at which Sabine fought everybody like you I was like it is they could not get her

she was snapping like a fucking boa constrictor like she was doing the full body waves like fucking gators do and they had her by the arms but it took all of these it was a lot of big apple there was a lot of big Adam's apples going on it was a lot of weak bones it is the UK

and so you do see them kind of struggling a little bit they are a little anemic well absolutely I mean honestly this all could have been solved with one redneck like if one just American redneck showed up just be like I got the last so like they are good for something

no rugby people over there are big yeah and just because we are skinny people doesn't mean we are fucking weak I am strong and skinny no I mean by definition it would mean you were weaker than somebody was we are wiry people seemingly skinny but very strong

how would you pin Sabine I wouldn't it would take five other of me to do it I say it is better to do it the old fashioned way you know maybe take her on the town and explain to her about jazz so you are so lonely that you are going to take this opportunity to hit on this woman who is having a mental break

in the middle of the highway ok well once they got her zip tied on the ground she started screaming for someone to call the police and eventually settled into screaming fuck you over and over and over again as is evidenced by this clip from traffic cops

that eventually made it to air we are old fashioned why did you do this why did you do this why why go look at that go look over

fuck you guys fuck you fuck help help me it is still too civil for American cops that would be on the chopping floor they would be like yeah it's just not

yeah it's not enough is there another llama that escaped from the zoo that we could put in this segment finally the informatics arrived and sedated her on the scene which was the only way anyone was getting Sabina off the motorway mysteriously when they checked the sisters bags

they found that they were carrying multiple cell phones a laptop and only one passport that's the other weird that they try to point towards that there were some kind of they were involved in some kind of bullshit because of the multiple cell phones and all of the technology that they were carrying

but I mean it means nothing did any of it work or connect to was it they just left it all behind now after the incident on the highway both sisters were taken to the hospital while both of Ursula's legs were crushed Sabina seemed to be

just fine despite the fact that she'd been grazed by one car and full on hit by another can you imagine if you and your brother decided to just fucking go ape shit like you and Charlie Marcus that's scary don't even say that you know Charlie's like hurt in the hospital

but you're fine and then that first moment you see each other and go like hell yeah bro fucking stick it to the cops you don't just fucking do that fucking lord of the rings like hand shake each other you can grab each other by the forearms that'd be cool as hell Charlie used to hate me but now he can stand me

that's a big get that's a pretty good thing well after Sabina was checked out and blood was drawn she was taken no that's Thomas oh Thomas yeah fuck him don't just joking Thomas

I'm just joking Thomas I love you god you're my favorite you're my favorite parks wow that's amazing how you flipped like that from me and my brother just out of fear I wish you were Thomas well after Sabina was

checked out and blood was drawn she was taken to the police station of assaulting a police officer and trespassing on the motorway and Sabina Erickson was booked now as I'm sure many of you are guessing British police assumed that this whole incident was the result

of a drug trip gone bad probably PCP or something similar but when both women were tested for narcotics they were 100% clean and no drugs were in their possession yeah it makes it so much scarier it's the same thing that we learned

from the guy in Miami that ate the other dude's face oh yeah and they said there was no the toxicology report came back as negative that makes it so that was just an idea on a Wednesday that was just normal he just came up with that on the fly like you said you know actually

after he ate that guy's face I should make a pine cone Christmas tree why not erratic behavior furthermore Sabina seemed completely normal at booking and was even kind of flirty with the officers yeah she was kind of fun yeah she did however make a cryptic comment

she said quote we say in Sweden that an accident rarely comes alone usually at least one more follows maybe two that's scary yeah and naturally one might think that a rigorous mental health check was in order here

and one of the myths of this story is that Sabina Ericsson was given no checks whatsoever people say that in the press over and over again she actually was but perhaps wasn't given as many checks as she should have it's hard because it seems that when the bubble

was popped and her and her sister were no longer together she kind of became normal in a way because she was kind of away from the pull of her sister's whatever it was that was getting her in there but then I start to think

well this also is a weird tactic because it kind of continues to feed into the delusion that she can't let the cops know what's really going on because if they did they would steal her organs yeah and remember you know from the incident

on the motorway like especially if you watch the footage like they go from calmly talking you know they've got one elbow resting on their hand they've got their cigarette up next to their face they're very calmly very very European

and then five seconds later they're bolting into traffic and screaming and spitting at officers just fucking it goes from calmness to aggression on fucking dime love a passionate woman well the producer of this damn traffic cop show is definitely happy as hell

yeah because the rest of the soldiers put out oh no there's a goose on the parking lot oh no there's a carriage of milk that was lived by the whiskey mills you gotta watch some traffic cops man I was watching some of it earlier today

and it's fucking intense it's crazy the British are a highly violent people cool I'm gonna do a Marcus Parks theme Sunday I'm gonna listen to hot pipes gonna get my organ music in and I'll watch my British shows and I will eat a meat pie in your honor good sir

hell yeah that's it you know what I think you're gonna come out of that Sunday feeling like a hundred dollars show up here and I'll be pulling teeth out of my skull and I'll be like I'm British I've only lost three teeth not bad

I mean you're not a toddler so you don't get like an applause or anything but remember before the show we were talking about the chili eating competition and there was that one woman that couldn't compete at the end because she couldn't eat fast enough because she had British teeth and there were like sideways and she couldn't chew and she blamed it all on her British teeth because she said she couldn't chew

the peppers fast enough just quick side note if you do want to go down the chili rabbit hole Netflix has a great series the chili competition Carolina Reaper is the weakest of all the peppers that people eat and it goes crazy so yes enjoy that well Sabina Erickson was seen on four separate occasions

during her day in booking she was seen by a police surgeon a consultant psychiatrist and a suitably qualified social worker all of them were satisfied that there was no sign of immediate psychological illness that said they had no access to the footage

of what happened on the motorway because the crew from traffic cops had already gone home completely satisfied that they'd captured the most insane goddamn thing reality TV had ever seen oh yeah dude it was a what a good get but with zero

with zero concern of the footage itself don't they think the cops should have had that well it was before I mean you know no TV no TV gets it first then they give it to evidence if they want to so yeah reality show producers also aren't necessarily known for their fucking ethics

that's true they were arrested under a thing called the 1983 mental health act which is this idea that then you're kind of allowed to they get to put you in safety I think we in America we have a thing called the Baker Act that used to be

I don't know if it's a thing anymore well that's a Florida thing yeah or you can Baker Act somebody in Florida where you can kind of a mental health facility against their will for their betterment right this idea that you can call the police and do this and they were arrested kind of underneath

this umbrella so they were treated in the UK they do this thing where like I honestly we think that they're total they're fucking rubes for they have this thing called like kindness and it was a thing called like kindness you know like create a sense of rehabilitation I want you to just put them in prison for a long time

no no no no I don't understand that's how it's done you gotta make them worse but they were very they were trying to be kind of lenient with them and saying that they were in an episode of some kind of mental illness as soon as the blood reports came back they did not have drugs in their system

like oh obviously they're a couple of bags short of a fucking English lunch so now we have to like treat them different can't just make up cliches well the people examining them instead of seeing the whole picture they were given a very narrow

set of legal questions with which to ascertain Sabina's condition those questions were is the person fit to be interviewed is the person fit to be charged and is the person fit to be taken to court and since Sabina had calmed down considerably the answer to all three questions

was yes so the next day she was interviewed charged with her crimes taken to court and sentenced to one day in jail which she had already served so it's one day in jail is something that we do not even have close to an option of

I mean when you're drunk and you're driving around in Wisconsin they'll put you away for much longer than one day but if they know you assaulting a police officer she would have been denied bail she would have been sentenced to 25 at last oh yeah she punched

Auntie Rita so hard it snapped her fucking big old British head around aww now there are a couple of possible reasons that Erickson appeared like she just had a moment on the motorway because as one police officer put it being odd isn't

a crime with which one can be charged but it was the punching of the officer although being an odd isn't a crime with one can't be charged is actually the tagline for my new show a weirdo in the neighborhood aww this can't be charged by the way well I play the naked mailman

yeah you can definitely be charged for delivering that package well firstly examiners in these situations effectively have only a snapshot of the patient and in those snapshots madness like Sabina's can be missed secondly Sabina was sedated

at the scene and while sedation doesn't cure psychosis it certainly takes off the edge they legitimately had to they had to drug her like she was a water buffalo they were taking into the zoo because that's how my dad but you know back in the day

what they used to do my dad said when somebody used to get really wild the mulli back in the day the main thing to really calm them down is that you used to put anklets on them and you put them in a big burlap sack you put them in a van and you let them chill out and have a nap

in that little bag not all the time they open it up they give you a little snorkel I'm not certain if they do that but for her they later down in a tarp and then they had to drop a line in her and put her in the car to transport her because they take you to a place of safety

for a mental health call perhaps the biggest reason though is that Sabina was again most likely paranoid about the people examining her and in her state of mind she wouldn't have shared her paranoid beliefs with the people that might be in on it

whatever it was so the day after the madness on the motorway Sabina was released out into the streets of an English city called Stoke on Trent wearing her sister's green jacket and carrying a thousand pounds in cash and a laptop

in a green plastic bag I think the cops did a massive disservice to that community yeah maybe I would have put an alert out and be like crazy bitch coming your way crazy bitch enter to a mental health facility again put a big bell on her

just something to let the community know that things are going to get shaken up around here Stoke on Trent wasn't actually even just famous for the story they're actually famous for a film that a documentary shot there called Stoke on Trent which involves a whole community

is that what you're telling us Sabina had no idea where she was or any idea where she was going but most interestingly she hadn't once asked anyone in the hospital or anyone at the police station about her sister Ursula

she's being conspiratorily quiet she doesn't want them to even think about her sister she's not trying to implicate her sister or anything that's going on wherever they're going to go they're going to link back up after this Sabina simply wandered the streets

of Stoke on Trent alone possibly looking for the hospital possibly just lost in a haze of psychosis at 7pm though she came upon two local men who were out walking a dog one of these men was 54-year-old Glenn Hollinshead

a self-employed welder, paramedic and former Royal Air Force captain who was said to be by all who knew him a kind, generous and helpful individual to anyone who needed it it seems to be like the picture of the nice man from an English town

that genuinely just believes that everyone is good I also love the duality of a welder and a paramedic where it's like we would make sure your bones stay together you won't be able to move very well no, but I'll make you the 10 man but in a life of 10 men no, and Sabina commented on Glenn's dog

he and his friend Peter Malloy stopped and started a conversation Sabina asked if there was a good bed and breakfast nearby and when she was informed that there wasn't Glenn offered his own place instead, it's just the kind of guy he was oh, he's too nice

now Peter was immediately put off by Sabina, whom he said was actin' nervous constantly looking over her shoulder it's just a random woman you're meeting from the highway that has a laptop in a bag that is like dirty from sleeping in a police station you might be good to be a little bit suspicious

but when Glenn offered her a bed, she relaxed and all three walked back to Glenn's house Sabina did mention on the walk back that she was trying to locate her sister in the hospital but she neglected to mention anything about what had transpired

the day before and neither Glenn nor Peter could pry out any details and the turnaround for traffic cops they couldn't watch that show that night, right? oh no, they had to edit it so they didn't know, that would be so freakin' scary oh yeah once they got back to Glenn's

the three of them started drinking and while Sabina seemed open and warm most of the time she'd grow cold if they asked her about her sister or what she was doing in England she also wouldn't stop peering out of the window from behind the curtains

and at one point, she gave Peter and Glenn cigarettes before snatching them away again telling the men that the cigarettes might have been poisoned well, it's a cigarette which didn't really make any sense because she was smoking from that pack that whole night

it just seems like Swedish flirting maybe and cigarettes are poisoned every cigarette is poisoned take it for me, I drank a bottle of whiskey at night and that won't tell you one thing cigarettes are poisoned

that's medicine we don't drink a bottle of whiskey at night if you're doing that, please seek help yes now Peter was completely very good now Peter was completely unnerved by the whole situation

but Glenn dismissed Sabina's behavior as just quirky and he even seemed to like it a little but because Peter was uncomfortable he just kind of left at midnight Sabina stayed the night without incident and the next day, at Sabina's request

Glenn called his brother who worked at a local hospital to see if they could find Ursula from what his brother said Glenn was calm and Sabina was talking in the background at this point, Glenn's just thinking this woman's a little weird but I'm gonna help her out

and all that day, Glenn and Sabina just sort of hung around the house and we have absolutely no idea what they did I don't know okay, maybe they did some welding I don't know all we know is that at 7.40pm

Glenn happily went next door to borrow some tea bags from his neighbor a man named Frank Booth hmm, coincidence Glenn returned home with the tea bags in tow but only minutes later he staggered back outside

bleeding from his stomach saying that Sabina had stabbed him and he collapsed to the ground and his last words to Frank Booth were instructions to look after Glenn's dog Sabina had sunk a kitchen knife into his stomach

five times and to this day nobody knows why ooh, mama while Frank Booth called 999 Sabina took off inexplicably grabbing a small rubber mallet and stuff in a piece of roofing tile

in her pocket and she walked away out the door this sounds like me playing disco Elysium those are very strange objects to grab she then wandered Glenn's neighborhood flacking herself in the head with the mallet until her hair was matted with blood that scares the shit out of me

yeah, you do kind of have to think loony tunes though get those little bumps up, push the bump up bump bump goes up to the other side of the head CCTV footage shows her looking confused and distressed almost like she's looking for something but doesn't know what she's looking for she's had a full psychotic break eventually a passing motorist pulled over

and tried taking the mallet out of her hands and when he tried to do so she made noises of primitive rage and smashed the Good Samaritan in the head with the roof tile that she'd stashed in her pocket man, you don't even know that shit's coming out it's like fucking Bugs Bunny

the loony tunes again just like blip-bling secondary weapon you quip whip, whip, whip did not expect that no paramedics soon spotted Sabina but when they gave chase

she dashed to a nearby bridge and rather than being taken alive she jumped 40 feet down into the A-50 highway but again, miraculously Sabina's attempt to kill herself to escape capture failed and she was found down below

with two broken ankles and a fractured skull is she the freaking alien that starts out in the Men in Black movie that Will Smith is chasing? seriously, it sounds like the T-1000 this whole thing is species it's wild dude she really tried

and then I wonder because I know that like psychotic Briggs does involve like you can have adrenaline rush it's kind of like having like being on PCP where these things can happen where you kind of can act in superhuman ways

but also the suicide attempt was like flip it like it was the cops were coming and she kind of just like randomly chose this idea of jumping off the bridge oh this was a suicide attempt I actually don't know if it was a suicide attempt

I think it was just this flea response that comes out of this syndrome where she just needed to get away from anybody she viewed as someone that was attacking her this very acute paranoid breakdown and just decided

it's like when people just jump out of a window in a horror movie I'm starting to think they should have just shot her on the highway maybe the American cops are right in the long run well I think that she I think it was a suicide attempt because with on the highway you know they could have

if they were just trying to escape they very easily could have just run off into the woods but instead they ran into traffic where the danger was and this is the same thing I think there is something about like they would rather die than be captured

because their delusion has told them that what happens after they're captured is going to be worse than death damn so Sabina was charged with murder but every single question investigators asked was met with two infuriating little words no comment

over and over again no comment no comment meanwhile Ursula had been released from the hospital herself uh oh but instead of supporting her sister Ursula just hauled ass out of England she spent some time in Sweden but eventually settled in Bellevue, Washington

where she apparently still lives to this day yeah she's apparently a quiet member of a local church what? yeah quiet member of a Catholic church Catholic church claimed on their website in 2011 that Ursula had received the rights of scrutiny that supposedly delivered her from

quote emptiness illusions and death prone effects of evil alright well it's interesting she ended up at Bellevue I was thinking it was more the hospital but what are the rights of scrutiny I don't know I looked at I tried to look up

the rights of scrutiny but I couldn't find what the rights of scrutiny are because there are many people well one of the one of the dumber theories about this is that the Ericsson sisters were possessed by demons that is very common in Philadelphia

in Philadelphia most of the other smaller cases that I was reading about in the various blurbs the psychiatry article blurbs I was reading it's often a religious phenomenon more often than not so Sabina's trial was to say the least

odd even though she was still saying no comment to every question asked she pled guilty to manslaughter by reason of diminished responsibility she admitted that she stabbed Glenn five times but couldn't provide a reason why and interestingly

both the prosecution and the defense argued the same thing that Sabina was insane at the time of the killing but sane at the time of the trial hey but it's good to get seen at some point you know yeah indeed however

while they agreed on this view they disagreed somewhat on the prognosis the defense argued for furliadu furliadu one more well furliadu the more you do it the worse it's becoming actually it's really bizarre

yeah before any fucking people start ripping me apart I practice we're Ben and Henry we are Ben and Henry we are with you because I hear it all the time but what are you gonna do alright we're not Frenchies no no the French great people

well they said the defense said that there had been a psychological blurring between Ursula the primary and Sabina the secondary which diminished her responsibility but they spent that whole time apart yeah the prosecution but they said it was a residual

the murder had happened she was still in the throes of the madness for two when she killed Glenn Hollins head she was in reruns by the time she was out stabbing Glenn she was in syndication yes the prosecution on the other hand argued another French term they said it was

bouffé de la ronde yeah this bouffé de la ronde it's like that's fucking these French criminologists come up with really fun like unique ways cause it sounds like a pastry but it's about murder it does sound like even the English translation sounds like a pastry

a puff of madness woah I always thought it would be nice to have a good challenge and great British bake off you could go and make a puff of madness and sometimes it has berries in it and sometimes it has is this a bullet woah that's the madness

puff of madness very difficult when this a person with no previous mental issues has a psychological break that lasts for a couple of weeks but the person is not a long term sufferer of mental illness hence a puff of madness

I see you guys save both of these things these are important for the three of us right he said these are terms that we need to remember and hold in our minds and save for a very opportune time we're going to need to say it was just a puff of madness

it was a puff of madness very very quickly if we can get two weeks of crazy I'll take it sorry we can't do it all three of us have been diagnosed with actual mental illness so therefore we cannot be sufferers of puffs of madness we can only be sufferers of our existing mental illnesses

and I don't believe that any of us are mentally ill I think society has changed in a way that's not conducive with how humans should be we just simply have to fit into a mold that we should not be in maybe insanity computers we're not supposed to send computers our entire life that's the unit of ADD

you're not supposed to be there technically if you're in according to that logic we're supposed to die in war when we're 18 also my grandmother had my grandmother had no access to computers and yet bipolar disorder was still very much a problem day and night

good and bad well in other words it seems like that the prosecution of the defense were pretty much just arguing the same thing so the court accepted the plea in sentencing the judge said that while he knew a light sentence would do nothing for the

suffering of glenn hallings head's family a heavy sentence wouldn't accomplish much either so sabina erickson was sentenced to five years in prison served to and was released in 2011 it is believed that she is reunited with her husband and children

and now lives in norway nice this is where we need to have a little bit of middle ground because i do think a longer sentence might have helped when it comes to like society and making sure no one else was stabbed but hey hey hey it wouldn't prevent anything i mean i just think she's going to have another psychological

break and we're going to be covering this in 15 years when we're still doing this show no way so are you saying she needs to be put away in a mental hospital for the rest of her life i think she probably could have done another year and a half it's already been now close to 10 years she's been released and she hasn't done

anything crazy since so i'm certain it's done it's been a fun day for her husband to be like alright mom's coming home do we have the knives according to her biological son simon in his myspace page the family

this is all in the book because they just reference his myspace page all the time in the family they call this the car accident that they were involved in and they say that they his aunt Ursula and his mom were in a car accident

that got out of hand well it was the same but they are really going over something big there we'll see because according to his myspace page she is not guilty of a single crime and there is there is a massive conspiracy happening wow

well the thing is about a puff of madness is that a third of the people who go through that's a grief of sadness a third of the people who go through these puffs have a relapse and if Sabina gets back in touch with her sister then there is

a chance that a repeat of the madness of two could occur so you just kind of keep them separate well you just also proved my point that doesn't prove your point at all she could snap at any time so you think that putting her in

prison for another year and a half would prevent her they don't do prison they have mental health facilities don't they have ranches where people can go and run out they're crazy I just maybe at the very least can we all agree she should just meet with a therapist once a week yeah I think she probably does that's all I'm saying I don't know if

she does I might help to have some kind of running coach or something however there are some who believe that this was not merely a puff of madness nor was it really in fact there are some who believe that this was not

even a matter of psychosis in any way whatsoever get the case out I want to open it up again and then I want to close it wow what they believe is that the Erickson sisters were activated MK ultra agents who would escape from an underground monarch

mannequin lap because remember they were so worried about their organs being stolen which is exactly when a generated life form or GLF would be worried about they are clones oh furthermore in the event that one of these life forms were to be captured their program behavior is to self-terminate which is why the sisters ran into traffic and why

Sabina tried jumping off the bridge Menturian candidates do not rip this tag off this mattress don't do that it is also telling that Sabina Erickson killed a man who was former royal Air Force and it's likely that these people say that Sabina Erickson either killed him because of her shoddy treatment at the hands of the

military or out of fear that he'd report her escape follow the money see who benefits royal Air Force more like Boyle Air Force there's not a lot of money involved I don't think here but you also see signs of these women possibly being artificially created beings robots for lack of a better word

androids for a more appropriate term Marcus I'm sorry to correct you for you see this in the immense strength that they showed while cops attempted to capture them and you see it in their seeming inability to die bionic Swedes coming to our highways making it difficult to get to work while you might say oh if these women

in his skit were escape MK ultra agents then why is all this allowed on television I'd say to you that it is merely a demonstration of power by their controllers in this demonstration might even have been the point of the entire incident the power of the puppet masters is so complete and totally

all-encompassing that they will show you the strings purposely so that you know there's in fact a stage in which you were dancing upon as a very urgent email to the BBC said imagine a massive army of these women able to survive serious injuries and still fight programmable blonde

terminators who are unstoppable and unkillable I'm hard as hell thinking about it and I love every minute of it it's just fatbots from Austin Powers in the words of the email I suggest you wake up on this big time yeah set the alarm buddy it's morning we need to

investigate and if there's anyone listening who works for the BBC we join this email author's constant urging to investigate what could be the end of civilization as we know it we can't let the blondes

win we beat them in 1945 yeah gotta beat them again so you're saying they should still be in jail is that what's going on no we're saying that they should still be in the underground labs robot clones honestly that

what kind of us is kind of about that isn't it the movie yeah kind of yeah a little bit well we learned a lot today awesome I loved it wow the sisters Erickson it's just nice to have family and I think that's really what this was all about if you can

commit a series of crimes outside of your family it's nice to bring it home because again we're on quarantine and this is a perfect time to plot a very articulated and almost undescribable level of

conspiracy that you are involved of is in a family this is right for it and I say this Christmas is the time for your family to plan their assault on the neighborhood I don't know if that's necessarily a good idea there it's the season for this is the season for plotting if if assault you mean do some Christmas

caroline from a nice distance you said I couldn't do my Christmas caroline because you're you're oh no you have evil intention do you ever do everything that you and caroline could go so desperately mad that you commit a series of crimes together or is your love not strong enough Marcus

a series of crimes let me put that back on you do you think you and Natalie could commit a series of crimes they can't even go hiking we gotta renew our vows at some point no honestly you're the you and caroline are the only two physically fit as a duo enough to commit a series of crimes Marcus yeah both of us together yeah that

that is true I mean we can run we can hike we can hide and we own a Subaru Outback which means that we can escape we can probably escape under the radar just a tiny bit no one's paying attention to a Subaru Outback nobody thinks that the guy in the Subaru Outback is committing

any crimes you know why because the Subaru Outback is a sensible car for a sensible person but sometimes the world drives sensible people to do insensible things absolutely good grief all right everyone thank you all so much for listening to this episode

a wonderful little story that we did it again and we are coming back we're coming back what this year because it's Christmas that means it you know it sucks but we got different we got some great shit coming out of this place it's fine

but we're gonna be taking we might be taking a quick visit you all wished and also next week we've got a big old mama jama cult that we're going to be covering very excited it's been in the it's been in the old box for a long time and then we're going to cover a person that we I've been

excited to cover for years and we're getting deep down into the gluteal cleft of that story very very soon a lot of good shit coming down the pipe yep it's a return to a subject that we covered many many many many

years ago but another one of those that we covered when we had no idea what we were doing absolutely we're going to be covering it in full given it the proper treatment so I hope all of you are ready for another series on 9 11 yay how fun is that one

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