Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 435: Roch Thériault & The Ant Hill Kids Part II - They Are Happy And Free To Leave

Episode Date: December 19, 2020

On the second part of our Ant Hill Kids series, we cover the misery Roch begins to inflict on his followers — including sexual sadism, extreme child abuse, and bizarre mock trials that resulted in the castrations of the "guilty" parties.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the Lost Hot Test. On the left. Rise up on your glade. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Oh, yeah! Oh, boy! It's almost Christmas time and I can't wait.

We've been busy all month making all sorts of wooden horses. Yeah, I know you have. Making all sorts of PS5s. Didn't make enough, and all these 40-year-olds keep buying them instead of the kids. But, hey, you know, money's money. That's capitalism here. Santa's workshop. You know what's so funny, Elf?

Elf Twinkles, right? Yeah. Yeah, Santa Claus. I'm one of the Bobs that works for Santa Claus. Yeah. yeah you did so much work oh just two months of work you're but unfortunately yeah we're going through layoffs um yeah so we're gonna go through some layoffs here at the north pole so you mean um you're fired you're fired twinkles the elf you mean laid off right no like fucking fired like get the fuck, get your shit and go. Is this because I'm supposed to get that raise coming up

or because I didn't? Get your shit and get out! What if I come back here with a fucking crossbow? All the shit I had to go through. You remember when Santa changed his name to Solomon and taught us all how to masturbate for that week? I remember that. Because that has been, that was a rough time.

And I really feel like I should get some kind of hush money for something like that. I got a hush money right here. Whoa. Wait a second, that's not money, that's a fucking pound cake. Fuck this shit. All right, what's up everyone? Welcome to the last podcast of The Left. The only way to bribe an elf is through pound cake fuck the shit all right what's up everyone welcome to the last podcast on the left the only way to bribe an elf is through pound cake they love sweets they do um today's episode

uh it's gonna be a lot it's gonna be apparently it's gonna be quite disgusting i was flipping through a little bit of the book here uh savage messiah that henry has the picture section and um it seems like it seems like this rock terrio guy didn't like balls he definitely had a vendetta he hated balls yeah so we'll get to all of that so marcus worked really really hard on this story so we're just gonna let him start uh as always rock terrio and the ant Kids. I also want to say that Marcus prefaced this as we were going through a production call this week. He said, let's call it, this is the child abuse episode. I didn't say this is the child abuse episode. This is what you said, Marcus? Can I be on the calls every now and again?

I said it's going to be the child abuse episode because there's going to be a lot of child abuse. Just get ready for it. That's just all I said.'s going to be the child abuse episode because there's going to be a lot of child abuse. Just get ready for it. That's just all I said. I just said, and I said, hell yeah, great. It's sweeps week. This is a really good time to pack it all in right before Christmas. Well, you know, hey, what? Okay.

Well, let's hop in. We're going to get through this story of Rock Dario and the Antill Kids Parts. Dilch. Let's start now. Bit of a francophone over there. A francophone is a phone with body odor. No kidding. All right.

Very good. So by the summer of 1978, Rock Dario had gathered a healthy amount of followers using seemingly innocuous Seventh Day Adventist lifestyle guidelines and stop smoking clinics, all while he and his followers lived in his girlfriend Giselle's apartment. But once fall began approaching, some of Rock's followers, who were all in their late teens and early twenties, started discussing the possibility of ending their summer of guru and returning to their respective educations. their summer of guru and returning to their respective educations. So up until this point, all of these kids essentially were living with Rock as sort of like, oh, of lark.

Like, oh, we're having this like fun summer with this guy who says he's God and he's going to teach us how to not smoke anymore, which is actually the least cool way to spend a summer because I had a lot of cool summers smoking a lot of cigarettes. Absolutely. It sounds like the sketch with Christina Applegate and David Spade that introduced Matt Foley as the motivational speaker, Chris Farley's character. Oh my God. But like if they actually went and moved in with Matt Foley.

Oh my God. Holy shit. Rock Terrio is actually very close to Matt Foley. In a van down by the river. So Rock, in an attempt to keep his core group together, increased the number of stop-smoking clinics and started organizing Seventh-Day Adventist vegetarian banquets comprised of Seventh-Day Adventist staples

like carrot cake, lentil soup, and bean curd casserole. Yay! I definitely had. We had the other day. Natalie got from the healthy Chinese food restaurant, the healthy one. Well, it's healthy because you can't eat it. So then you're losing weight on top of weight.

There's this little box I opened up and the only way to describe it is it was fucking three foreskins in this box. And it just looked like three fucking Robert Irvine's dicks just cut off. Robert Irvine, the big built chef from Food Network. Absolutely.

He had dick pics come out two years ago. I don't know how I saw them the other day. Jacked guy. Tiny penis for a huge man. Well, he's just so big. It's an average penis. It's so shriveled. So they have all these people folding all these foreskins together to eat,

and they don't understand they're about to be producing a bunch of foreskins by force. Indeed. Ooh, this story is going to get gross. More importantly, though, Rock told his followers that since Christ was coming, because don't forget, Seventh-day Adventism is halfway a doomsday religion, studying for school was a

useless endeavor, not unlike what our man Kissel's mother told him. You don't have to go to school today. You never know when Jesus is coming back, but I do know one thing. Piggly Wiggly is open. Would you like to go, Ben? would man i loved piggly wiggly so since the group were already firmly in rock's grip they relented and stayed with their guru now one of the things to remember about rock especially in this episode is that while he was a monster, he was a monster of the most dangerous variety.

Unlike awkward weirdos like Marshall Applewhite or more aggressive evangelists like Jim Jones, Rock Terrio was perceived to be extraordinarily charming to most people, even people outside of his cult. And he could therefore talk his way into or out of damn near anything. Getting through this episode shows me that Rock Terrio, the Ant Hill Kids, are one of the stickiest cults I have seen in quite a long time. Heaven's Gate, yeah, they had 20 people for 20 years, right? Or was it 32? I forget.

Was that the final number? 32 people, yeah. I think so. They were there for 20 years, so that was sticky. But I feel like those people were always gonna just be sitting in a basement somewhere in San Diego, eating nothing but beans and air, and listening to a dude with a bowl cut. They were living their best life.

Nowadays, Heaven's Gate wouldn't have killed themselves, they would just be really into VR. Oh, that would be fucking dope! Technology just wasn't where they needed it. But the Anhill kids, they have multiple opportunities. He just somehow, Rock just got these motherfuckers.

Well, naturally, they'll be sticky. They are kids and God knows they're always getting into something, aren't they? By kids, we mean teenagers. Not children. Teenagers are kids. I believe you're a kid until you're 91. You sound like Michael Jackson.

No, that'd be the opposite. Well, concerning Rock's charm, in the beginning, his stop smoking clinics were effective, popular, and lucrative, earning him up to $3,000 a week. In these clinics, Rock would explain the virtues

of vegetarian living, mantras, and cold showers, all used to stave off Nick Fitts. And Rock would make it sound like his way was the only way in the entire universe that would stop smoking guaranteed. And Marcus actually found out the real secret was the classic move handed down from generation to generation, and it's called getting dogs in a bathtub. That's the only proper way.

Can you stop with getting dogs in a bathtub. That's the only proper way. Can you stop with getting dogs in a bathtub? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I did stop smoking after I finally got both dogs in the bathtub. When you put your balls in your butthole. That's when you decided to stop smoking. It was a slippery Saturday, but we got it. Oh, God. Now, reportedly, 85% of the people who attended these clinics

did stop smoking, at least for a bit. If they didn't, though, then it was their fault, not Rock's, and they therefore have a reason to come back. Now, not surprisingly, these stop smoking clinics became a place where Rock could recruit more followers. Among the more tragic of those were Jacques Jaguer and his wife, Maryse Grenier. were Jacques Jaguer and his wife, Maryse Grenier. Maryse, in particular, would suffer indignities and tragedies small and large

throughout the many years she spent with the cult. And it was all the more tragic because Maryse never actually wanted to join and had only gone along because her husband insisted. She definitely was the Dante of clerks of this entire scenario.

She's like, I'm not even supposed to be here. It's kind of a rounding error on her part, but it seems like a big one. Yeah. Yep. As far as her husband Jock went, Rocketeerio would eventually turn this docile and sensitive man into a butcher capable of damn near anything. And once you get a guy to do fucking unspeakable, to be honest, because he's not an attendant to a surgeon,

he's a sous chef to a man who thinks he's a surgeon. When you get a guy to do that kind of shit, it's very difficult to roll him back into normal society. Well, absolutely, and dare I say, as someone who goes to Chase Bank on a regular basis, I don't want him to be my banker. Once you start butchering people, that's what you do now.

But at this point in the cult's timeline, it still seemed to be about spiritual growth, seemed to be about clean living, and in the background, there was the inevitable end of the world. And as it was for all of them, Jacques Jaguer was looking for answers, and Rock seemed

to have them. However, some of the families of Rock's followers were starting to see through the charade, as both Chantal Labriez and Solange Boylard's parents tried getting their kids to leave before things got too bad. They saw this was a bad road. Oh, yeah. Real question. Your

kids are abducted into a cult, but you never really liked them. They were going through their own little phases. How many Christmases before you miss them? Four. Four Christmases. We've got to get these kids back. A college worth of Christmases because then you can get used to having Christmas on your own and then be like, actually, it'd be kind of fun to have our ungrateful child here again.

The whole family, yeah. Can we just get the whole family back? Yeah, because then you realize that you need that child to take care of you when you're older and you have to reconnect. That's the whole point. And then sometimes that child is also supposed to you when you're older and you have to reconnect. That's the whole point and then sometimes that child's also supposed to be working on the house. You get to the point where your legs and your arms are too feeble to do things around

the house and then you get a call being like, oh Henry Thomas, I tried to go up the other day to clean the gutters by myself but oh my hands, they just ached from the surgery I had. Oh Henry Thomas. Are you telling me that love isn't real? It's just a series of people who can't do something and desperately need you to help?

Mm-hmm. And they call you? Obligations. Obligations. Obligations are love. Okay. Chantel's parents even went as far as to put her under a four-week mental health evaluation. But Chantel was declared mentally and physically healthy and was released back into Rock Terrio supervision.

and was released back into Rock Terrio's supervision. Now, Rock realized around this time that his girlfriend's apartment was no place to set up shop if he was going to keep his unit together. And it was especially no place if he wanted to keep a tight grip on his followers. Grip! Jeez. This guy is such... You keep saying the word grip. And Rock Terrio, of all of the cult leaders,

he definitely had a very tight grip. It's just amazing because he's having all of these people at his girlfriend's apartment, so he has to be like, girlfriend doesn't want anyone over tonight. It's so annoying. But he never said that. No, not once. He just kind of felt the annoyance of maybe

even thinking he would have to say that and he did not like even that feeling. But then if you're the girlfriend, you're like, yeah, I pay rent and everything. And then they're like, oh, so how's the relationship with Rock? You're like, oh, he started a cult in the house. That's what you do. And then you're just like, it's hard to find a man. It is.

Well, Rock learned very early on that control meant isolation, especially from his followers' families. So Rock moved all of them to a place where none of them had any kind of familial connections. Even though the town of St. Marie wasn't too far away, and even though it still had a population of about 9,000, it was still the first step Rock Terrio took towards completely cutting off his followers from society. In St. Marie, Rock and his followers opened the unimaginatively titled Healthy Living Clinic under the umbrella of the Seventh-day Adventist church.

And Rock slowly started turning the entire operation into an overt cult. He created Healthy Living Clinic the way the producers of the real world forced those peoples to go to work for plotlines. That was episode three. Because I think episode two, everyone was just getting too lazy. Episode one, it was madness. Yeah, they just understood and were like, oh, we just made him work at a t-shirt shop, the same thing like in Jersey Shore.

There is no reason for him. He created this. It's all scenarios. He's all running games. I think producer is the right equivalent, though, as far as profession goes for him. Oh, Rock Terrio is very much so an executive producer of this cult. Now, from what early member Claude Ouellette said, the group had some great times in the beginning.

Rock made them feel like they stood out from the rest of society because they were the chosen people named in the Bible. And this establishment of otherness is key to any cult but the thing about this sort of mind control is that it is essential that the leader convinces the cult member that they are only special if they are in the cult but at the same time they are not special within the cult because the cult is only special because of the leader. Like the E Street Band. No. Well, I don't know if that's true. Are you maligning Clarence Clemons and fucking Steve? I'm a big man. I'm a big man.

I'm a big man. Mr. Clarence, I just listened to Bruce all day yesterday. R.I.P. Jesus Christ. By the way, the river, that is the saddest song. I'm sorry I did this. I should have even said this. I don't immediately regret it.

No sidebar. But he had a quote that he said often, that he said, the people, when they go to the river to get water from the river, down the river, it's all filled with mud. It's all filled with fish poop. No, it isn't fish poop. But he's like, it's all filled with mud. But that's why people, when you go to the source,

you go to the head of the river, you will see the water is clear. I am the sewers. Are you a teenage me... I thought you were saying the sewers. The sewers. Oh, the sewers. I was like, are you a teenage me, a ninja sewers? I don't know what's going on.

No, I live at the sewers. Alligators, they live in the sewers. Okay, you live in the sewers, I see. Interesting. All right. live in the source okay you live in the source i say interesting all right so to both separate them from society and to remove the individual identities of each member within the cult rock terrio began making all of his followers dress in drab uniforms step two why not at the very least and again you know me i don't like these cults but at the very least, and again, you know me, I don't like these cults, but at the very least, some of them make their constituents dress well.

Heaven's Gate technically had cool jumpsuits, and man, the uniforms of Scientology don't even fucking talk about how elegant LRH looked as the Admiral. I don't know about elegant. Elegant. He looked like the biggest minion who's ever had a company. No, these were not stylish in any way whatsoever. had a company. No, these were not stylish in any way whatsoever. Giselle used Maurice's sewing machine to construct loose ankle-length tunics

tied at the waist with a rope, pale green for the women and beige for the men, making them all look like monks. The only one that had a different outfit was Rock, who was still wearing the tunic, but his was dark brown. Wow.

Wow, like shit. Yeah. Interesting. Also, again, the same thing when we were bringing up NXIVM, but NXIVM had those shitty little fucking scarves. Oh, my God. I'm so mad about NXIVM. You don't want to say, I'm over it.

I'm over it. Over it. Justice will be done. That's all I say. Rock also told the women that bras were an unnecessary tool of the establishment once you got to be right sometimes i mean honestly he did kind of hit that is sort of a leftist feminist thought so maybe he did hit on that and francine laflamme's glasses were ripped off her face and broken because rock said that glasses were a

technological crutch and her vision could be cured with a holistic diet of his own making. I hate this guy so freaking much already. But as goofy as a house full of people and homemade tunics full of bean curd casserole teaching people how to quit smoking seemed. With one woman just running into the same wall over and over and over again because she can't see anymore. I also feel like the smoking would actually

cover up the smell of that clinic. This is the first time smoking would have been a better fragrance. But even though... I still love the smell of cigarettes. I know, that's because you're violently addicted to them. I do not get that. Even though it seemed goofy, people

were still buying the act. One new member, Leo Mark Foucher, fell for it so hard that he quit his job, sold his house, and made his wife join the group with him. All because he believed in rock. Soon, everyone was dropping out of society. Jacques Jaguer and Maurice Grenier sold everything they owned as well. And Francine Laflamme, Maurice Lambert, and Josie Pelletier joined the others in quitting school to dedicate themselves completely to rock and his message.

You know, I guess when the rock is making bean curd casserole, everyone could smell what the rock is cooking. I'm just happy you did it. I'm just happy that you did it. I didn't write these jokes down. This is all solid improv. I didn't think about this before. Yeah, that's how good I am.

Wow. I thought for sure that was premeditated. Now, the Seventh-day Adventist church was starting to look at Rock Terrio's new venture with great suspicion. And Pastor Zeta was starting to notice that Rock's followers were much more devoted to Rock than the teachings of the SDA. Uh-oh. We have ourselves a...

We have a fight for attention. We do, but have you seen the picture of Pastor Zeta in the Book of Savage Messiah, essentially doing the shrug of emoticon? He's doing like, I don't know what happened there. He just has this look of like, sheesh. Just sitting on the stoop of something. A car accident taking place behind him.

People trying to climb out with full of blood. Children are screaming. At least they're not smoking. What? Plus, Giselle Tremblay, Rock's girlfriend, who had given over her apartment as the original hangout, was starting to feel uncomfortable with how all the women were fawning over Rock and throwing themselves at the guru night after night. Lot of massages interesting how

she was totally right to be upset yep so after giselle brought up the possibility of marriage rock agreed to marry her in montreal partly as a pr move to satisfy the church and concern parents and partly to keep giselle in the group. But this marriage seemed to be the first instance of Rock Terrio acting in a specifically cruel manner towards one of his followers. On the ride back to St. Marie from Montreal after the wedding, Rock sat in the cab of the truck with Nicole and Solange. Giselle, however, spent the entire five-hour ride on a mattress in the truck bed in january in canada all while rock and his two most dedicated followers laughed and joked in the heated

cab throughout the entire trip it begins the sadist trip right rock terrio uh researching into this idea of malignant narcissism or vengeful narcissism is sometimes called, this concept of he now obviously takes explicit pleasure in making someone else feel bad and also puts him on top. And you're going to see it's a constant game of there's no – it's a win or lose situation with a malignant narcissism. There's no like – everything you have to – you are either a winner or lose situation with a malignant narcissism. There's no like everything you have to, you are either a winner or a loser.

Every situation, every scenario has a winner or a loser. And your job as a malignant narcissism with a sadistic streak, with a sadistic streak, your job is to always be the winner. So he wants to show you, okay, I gave you this little thing that you want this like little marriage.

Yes. I gave you this little thing. Now you're going to sleep in the back of this car like a dog because, uh, I gave you this little thing that you want, this little marriage thing. The marriage? Yes. I gave you this little thing. Now you're going to sleep in the back of this car like a dog because that's how I view you. Yeah. Crazy. Meanwhile, everyone driving past him were just like, what a bunch of losers. Well, no, it was him laughing up there with a bunch of bra-less

tunic-wearing, hollow-eyed cold girls, and they're like, that guy, he's got it made. I don't know. As it turned out, though, the marriage fooled no one. Pastor Zeta was still actively trying to pull followers away towards the traditional SDA church, and parents were starting to get the law involved. But since Rock was breaking no laws, nothing could be done.

Then came the first death. Nothing could be done. Then came the first death. In mid-1978, a leukemia patient named Geraldine Alclair was brought to Rock's health clinic by her husband, and Rock's advice was to stop medical treatments immediately and replace them with grape juice and, quote-unquote, natural products that Rock, of course, sold. Predictably, within weeks, Geraldine Auclair was dead.

Rock did claim that he'd kissed her after she'd expired, and she'd briefly come to life. But that was the most he could do, because God had decided that it was her time to go. And that's why it was important for me to kill her again. Yeah, really. It is very important. She awakened and she said, oh God, oh God.

And I looked at her and I was like, oh no, this is going to be a lot of explanation. I don't even know what accent that is, but I like it. So he really, he went the prune brothers route, huh? He's just like, go with grapefruit, go with prunes. For some reason, they always say grapefruit and prune

juice is going to cure you. I think it's just because it makes you poop and pee about well the prune brothers they their prescription was based on a horny old lady who couldn't shit i remember yeah totally different situation you can't even compare the two i'm sorry i'm sorry well about a month later pastor zeta who was also noticing that the money coming into rock's clinic never seemed to make it to the church even though the church was providing him with all the product zeta teamed up with a bunch of other sda pastors and voted rock out of the religion and that should handle it this is this is the only time where i will say i am happy that the church got undercut by not to say undercut again, because I've been saying a lot, but I'm happy that they got scammed in their own game. Oh, of course.

Where they're just like, that's our goddamn money scam to convince people that we are speaking with God and they give us the money. You're going to take the money from us? Because guess what? It wasn't about the cancer girl dying. No, it wasn't. It was about the money not coming into the church. Yeah, that's how it always goes. It's not, you know, fucking Sony didn't take Cyberpunk 2077 off of the fucking Sony store because it was a shitty unfinished game.

They took it off because CD Projekt Red fucked with Sony's money. Wow. Oh, okay. I'm just going to let that sit. I feel it. That's too hot to touch. I feel it over here. I already have third degree burns on my hand from a cooking accident.

I don't want to touch anymore. Yeah, you actually can't even grab the net. No way. Now, the Seventh-day Adventist church thought that if they kicked Rock to the curb, his grip on his followers would lessen. But since they knew nothing about how cults worked, this ended up having the opposite effect. Instead of leaving, some of the members were bound to the group even closer through marriages to each other. Step three. Rock paired Jacques Fassett to Nicole Ruel and Claude Ouellette to Solange Boillard, even though none of them had any inkling of romantic interest in one another.

But since Rock wanted it, they figured there must be a reason. So all of them did it without complaint. I feel like the Seventh seventh day adventist church couldn't recognize that this was a cult because it's a cult yes yeah and so they were just like everything seems normal on the outside but they are messing with our money if you want to ruin a cult make it seem cool to the establishment they should have had pastor zeta should have shown up on a skateboard and a backwards hat just being like y'all are actually the coolest guys in the playground here tonight and that's why you're in charge now rock like make him in charge of the church and they're all be like oh this is so

fucking normie i don't want to be a part of this i remember when it was fucking indie dude now it's fucking corporate exactly it's about fundraising see from what pastor zeta said there was no way to argue with rock terrio even if you weren't one of his followers. He'd just sit there and stare with one eye closed, and the other eye focused directly on you, and somehow he always found a way to win an argument. Do you feel like there was almost a symbolic

nod towards Odin, or is that just my, just, is that just edibles? I think that's edibles. Okay, alright just i think he did the one he did the one i thing i think is a way to just sort of throw people off cool you know because you're thinking the entire time you're not thinking about your argument you're thinking why is he staring at me why does he have one eye closed why is he doing that so he's able to throw

you off your fucking game like if you look at me like this and you're trying to tell like try to do the next section of the show and tell me if this does this affect you now yeah it affects me i don't like it i keep thinking why are you now during because it's an audio medium you jackass henry uh henry is looking at marcus with a sneer that is very i'm gonna say polish detective with a hunch i shaved my butthole today oh god, God. Good for you. That should make getting those dogs in that bathtub a lot easier. You are Marcus before

the show literally said, can we have just less sidebars? We've got a big script here today. And you, Marcus. I'm sorry. Jesus. You're right. You're right. You're right. Now, during the double wedding, Rock officiated stressing how the woman had to be submissive to the man, always. Now, even though they didn't agree

with the whole fucking thing, Solange's parents attended as a way to keep their daughter close, but ended up sobbing through the ceremony and the reception, where the cult served a vegetarian meal that Solange's parents said looked and tasted like mud.

What's interesting, though, is that at this point, sex had not been added to the cult's equation, not even with Giselle. She said that Rock only had sex with her to shut her up and oddly equated his lovemaking style with how one would make love to a fridge. Sounds like a fucking pandemic LG fucking commercial. You know what?

It's weird is that this is also a thing I uncovered with the sadist. The sadist will specifically not have sex with someone who wants to have sex with him or her. They actually prefer they would rather not get laid and actually get sexual gratification more from turning a person down than from actually busting a nut. Oh, yeah. I must be a sadist then. I was like, get away from me. Oh, my God. Instead, Rock would stay up all night talking with the other women

as they hung on his every word and constantly told him how wonderful he was. As a result, Giselle reached her limit by the spring of 1978, even though she was pregnant with her first child with Rock. She threatened to leave, but in response, Rock committed his first act of overt violence towards a follower. He punched his pregnant wife in the face, leaving her mouth bloody and swollen, and didn't allow her to leave her room for two days. You know what is, and it really came as a surprise, and it was a very sudden escalation. And he had obviously been thinking about him waiting

to when he was going to start laying the violence down. I think he had a plan, almost, because he literally went as bubbly, maybe distant leader of this group. But everyone thought of him as just a pure man. Up until this point, he was quote-unquote good. He just did all the isolation shit and working people and making them tired and fucking with their diet,

but this was like, he didn't even hesitate. She said she was going to leave, and he just popped her in the mouth, which shows that this was already in his toolkit. Yeah. Now, at this point,, he was already, this was already in his toolkit. Yeah. Now at this point, the cult was at a crossroads. The SDA church was no longer supplying them with natural food products or literature to sell.

Local merchants were sending debt collectors and the death of Geraldine Auclair while under Rock's care certainly didn't help matters either. So with a following of 12 women, six men, and two children, Rock decided that it was time to crank up the paranoia and skip town, just like Jim Jones had done when things were going wrong for him in Indianapolis, right before they went to California. Rock told his followers that the Armageddon foretold in the book of Revelation was finally coming. The day of his proclamation was July 6th, and Rock said that the day of reckoning would arrive on February 17th

of the following year. Too short of a lead time! Isn't that crazy? But, Rock told his followers that there was some good to go along with the bad. Yeah, it was terrible that the world was ending, but there was good news. What is that? The good news was that Rock was God's personal emissary, appointed by the man himself. What? But there was good news. What is that? The good news was that Rock was God's personal

emissary, appointed by the man himself. What? Yeah. Right here in Canada? We found him? What? He's covered in asbestos? What? And since all of his followers were already bound to Rock, they would be saved as well.

Oh, nice. Boom. Flip it. No big deal. Boom. I love it i love you the josey one lord yes this is great all they had to do was escape the evils of society and return to nature and when armageddon came rock and his 20 followers would form the core of a new society that would usher in jesus's thousand year reign can we play a different song could you maybe come down to like some dio no this is like jesus's favorite this is his favorite song i'm just so sick of it and when he came back he's fucking pissed as hell can you see i have a machine gun now no machine gun jesus i don't want to victim blame but true question.

When it comes to the ego of cult members, like the idea that these people believe that they have met the best friend of Jesus, they also have to have an ego on them, don't they? To think that, hey, yeah, of course I did. Why wouldn't I? I'm so charming. I don't think it's ego. I think it's the complete other side of it. It's the opposite of that.

It's something, it's actually, I think it's the complete other side of it. It's the opposite of that. They are so, they have such little belief in themselves that they are willing to believe anybody. And they have such little self-worth that they need so badly to feel special. And because this man is saying, I am God's emissary, and they are attached to that man, then that makes them special. And that fills a hole, hole a gigantic huge gaping hole in these people so you don't think that they're going to go out to the bar

and just be like I know the best friend of Jesus you fucking fuck they might well they talk they say that people do get kind of an ego boost from dating a narcissist because the narcissist builds up the smith if he is now the limit on his ego now is i am god's best friend right so that's his leak

that's his ego size so he has enough ego for everybody else to feed off of it and supplant their own missing sense of self-worth with literally the light of God's first cousin. I get to see he is inside of me now. I am a part of that. And so I actually get a boost because the narcissist has chosen to be with me. And so you start to forgive all of the abuses that come with choosing to be like you have become your number two best friend of Jesus. Yes. You're number two to yourself to yourself.

Now, I'm making this proclamation that society was evil rock created an environment of passive danger for the cult which is a tactic still used to this day by religious figures and politicians as a way to gain loyalty through fear they convince their followers that the entire world is full of satanic child molesters out to drink your blood and anyone who says that the world isn't full of satanic child molesters is most likely also a satanic child molester again even a broken clock is right twice a day honestly when it comes down to it yeah just fucking walk through the fox lot and see what's going on over there we should we should start when when things do open up i'm gonna walk through the paramount lot and just lot and just start yelling pedophile and see who looks shook yeah you go pedophile see who runs see by this point rock had already

convinced his followers that his way was the only way just like he convinced hundreds of smokers of the same thing and since they'd already dropped out of society in every way that mattered moving out to the woods to escape armageddon seemed like the only logical thing to do. In their mind, this was logical. Yeah. I guess in an illogical world, this makes sense, I suppose. In an insane world, only the sane

stay sane, and the insane are the ones who are sane. Now you're gonna make me quote Chris Farley from Dirty Work about the half-nose, and we've got to get back to this. So, three days after the proclamation was made, the group set out on foot from a town called St. Jokes. And after two days of traveling and 13 miles of walking, they found an isolated area that was four hours of walking time from even the nearest road. Rocked up their new home, Eternal Mountain.

And the group quickly set about building a compound. From scratch. Starting at 5am every day. The followers spent the summer. Cutting down trees. Hauling rocks. And digging wells. While Rock directed from the sidelines.

Complaining about stomach pains. And oh no I've got cancer. I've got cancer. I've got cancer. Maybe he ate too much pizza. But he did debilitate you for an entire episode. But he, this is where the executive producer title really comes in. Yes, where he doesn't do anything? Nope. Yeah.

The only other person who didn't work was Gabriel Nadeau. She was a new convert with multiple sclerosis who had decided that the cult was the best thing for her MS. And she spent her days and nights lying alone in a tent. Cool! Since they were in the wilderness, everyone starved. And if anyone disobeyed Rock, he'd reduce what little portions they had at dinner every night. Rock also kept everyone up all night long giving speeches,

and the sleep deprivation combined with the food rationing made everyone highly suggestible. Right. Well, following that was the inevitable changing of the names. Everyone was given new names from the Old Testament, which served both to kill their old identities and to give their new lives a biblical feel. Meanwhile, I was doing the steps.

This is like steps four, five, and six. It's crazy how it's just all like in a cult manual. Right, right. Giselle became Esther. Solange became Rachel. Gabriel became Thursta. Chantel became Ruth. Klaue became Boaz.

Jacques became Nathan, and so on and so forth. Man, Nathan is such a down step from Jacques. Yeah, hold on a second. You can't do a cult name that's also a name. It's like, they need to be like, Chloroquine. It needs to be like crazy names. You don't just go from a Nancy to a Barbara. That doesn't make any sense. He's not trying to walk them out

all the way to the land of J.R.R. Tolkien yet. He wants to start with a, he's in the Bible world. Right now, he's got to get him used to these kind of new first level names because then he's got to get used to jerking off in front of everybody. You know what I mean? It's a build. I thought they were supposed to be like T, T, Q, F, I, one. No, it's a build.

It's a build. Alright, I see. But with these names, Rock was exerting even more subtle control on some of his followers. For example, Rock would routinely tell follower Francine Laflamme that she was grossly overweight, even though she, just like everyone else in the cult, was

terribly malnourished and very much looked like it. But to drive home his false claim, Rock gave Francine the Old Testament name of Hogla. Hmm. That's cute. You know, it's kind of cute. No, Hogla's a good name for a pug.

Not for a woman. Oh, it's a great name for a pug. I am separate. I'm just saying I never heard the name Hogla before. No, Hogla comes, it's like the name of a girl best friend in a 1997 high school comedy. Well done. Oh, man. That was Bridget, uh, Brittany Murphy.

Brittany Murphy. Well, as far as his own name went, Rock chose a suitably overblown moniker. Because he was leading his tribe into the wilderness at God's instruction, Rock gave himself the name Moses. Moses! And that was what his followers, and later even the press, formally called him from then on. Informally, Rock made his followers call him Pappy, while Giselle, Rock's wife and therefore everyone's new mother, was called Mammy.

Pappy and Mammy doing all sorts of bad things in the fucking cabin. Well, honestly, it sounds like something you have to do once a year. You've got to go to the doctor, get your Pappy, get your Mammy, make sure you're safe out there. Cancer's a very real thing. I honestly think it's nice to call them cute little names because then you won't worry about getting your breast smushed

or your balls squished. Yeah, absolutely. It pisses me off. And maybe, no, maybe media hasn't gotten any better at this, but it just pisses me off the media's like,

yeah, Moses sounds good. No, it's Rock Terrio. I think Rock is a better name than Moses, but they got really into, this is the beginning, too to when they were just cute. Because at first they thought they were cute. But it's already not cute at this point.

No. But they didn't know, I guess. No, they didn't know. No, no, no, no, no. But when we were talking about it in the production call, it's interesting to see that Rock Terrio, we're asking the question, how did he know how to do the exact steps of creating a cult that now are sort of stereotypical like he did them all instinctually he uh isolated them told them their parents were bad he malnourished them he worked them to the point of hysteria he kept them at high excitable rates where he would go and he would he put wigs on and do

fucking bits where he would like hold up a fucking carrot to his mouth and pretend to do karaoke and shit where he was doing fucking Adam Sandler bits where he's like, I'm the Rake Man. I'm the Rake Man. Which is pretty nice. Night here at the cult, actually, he's doing his Adam Sandler bit.

I'm the Rake Man. I'm the Rake Man. It's pretty great. I'm starving, but it's pretty good. He did all of these, so you had all of this shit going on and then he gave them the names, he lessened their identity. How the fuck does he know to fucking follow the cult leader manual? How do you do it without Google? Is that the question?

Well, I think it really is instinct. Like, humans don't get enough credit, or at least we don't really think a lot about social instinct. That humans are social creatures. That's how we evolve to survive. We evolve to survive in villages as social beings. And with someone like Rock Terrio, with a narcissist, they have that same instinct, but they have a couple of switches in their brain flipped

that the rest of us don't have. This is how he knows to work in society. This is what he knows how don't have this is how he knows to work in society this is what he knows how to do this is how he knows how to get the things that he wants and he's just following some sort of fucking evil instinct uh that gives him exactly what he wants someone who is like the blues brothers much much like the blues brothers but because he if he is you know again i'm just diagnosing him but he it seems to really, it fits a lot of ways. But the idea of this form of narcissism, if you have it, or malignant narcissism, whatever other cult leaders have, whatever, because he's got something. He has lack of impulse control.

He has a sexual love of pain, which is also bad. That's real bad. And then he also, because of his, whatever he's got going on in his head, he's actually an ultra empath. So he can actually tell a lot about people by the way they speak and hold themselves instinctually. But instead, like an empath using it to whatever, understand people or sell crystals, you are going to use it to fuck with people. And of course, if you are into that kind of stuff, kink.com, very safe, very consensual, very fun. We know this.

No, the BDSM community is filled with love. The whole point of being... Yeah, the BDSM community. The sadists in that world, the whole point, the reason why they're giving pain is because it gives pleasure to the sub and they're doing it out of love. They're not doing it out of the love of the, necessarily just of the giving of pain. They're giving it because it's supposed to the sub and they're doing it out of love. They're not doing it out of the love of the necessarily

just of the giving of pain. They're giving it because it's supposed to make someone come. And that's why I'm here as a representative for Jersey Mike's. We love subs. What kind of meeting is this? I want to see a guy in a fucking dog suit fucking eating a Jersey Mike's sandwich. That'd be incredible. I thought this was about

sandwiches, guys. When shit got really weird with the new names Rock did lose a couple of followers including the guy who had sold his house and quit his job to join the clinic. But in this Rock saw a new opportunity. Instead of forcing them to stay or even trying to

convince them to stay he told his followers that the devil had gotten to them and everyone solemnly nodded in agreement with the knowledge that they had had gotten to them and everyone solemnly nodded in agreement with the knowledge that they had something new to fear even here the devil would still get to us you can just see their brain yeah that checks out that's cool that checks out yeah now with everyone working so goddamn hard sleeping so little and eating even less rock began the process of isolating his followers mentally and emotionally,

in addition to the physical distance he'd introduced. He gave endless lectures about the decadence of modern civilization and told his followers that the only way to purify themselves was to recognize that society was corrupt and evil while the commune was just and good. But he had his followers talk as well, using the age-old cult technique of confession. He coaxed the deepest secrets from each member,

using any sort of childhood trauma as evidence that their families were agents of Satan. Pretty soon, Rock wasn't allowing his followers to speak of even a single happy memory from their former lives. And night after night, Rock drilled the idea that anything that came before Eternal Mountain was dangerous,

miserable, and most of all, satanic. Ah, fuck yeah, dude. I didn't know my fucking job at the video store was fucking satanic, dude. Fuck yes. Super fun. Jimmy John's delivery driver for the devil. For the devil.

Super fun. Got this REM tape stuck in my freaking goddamn cassette player. Forget it. You are losing your religion, dude. Yeah, man. For the devil. Woo. But while Rock preached about the evils of societal decadence, he used the Bible to justify

his own. Oh, wow. See, by October, Giselle had noticed that most of the women were desperately lonely up there on Eternal Mountain. So she went to Rock to tell him so. His response to this legitimate concern was to take inspiration from the Old Testament, citing the concubines of King David and King Solomon. And Rock declared that he would take on the solemn task of sleeping with all the single women, framing it all as Giselle's idea. Someone has got to do it, my friend.

It is a dirty job, but I guess if the prescription is cock, well, I guess I am a doctor. I don't think that you are, and that is not the prescription. The prescription was simple human interaction and a mild amount of affection and love. You mean

a cock? No, not a cock mean a cock no not a cock not everything is about a cock it rhymes with rock oh i hate coal leaders all they do is talk about their cocks but when giselle got upset that rock had twisted her words so badly he threw her to the ground and choked her declaring that he was moses he was her master and if she didn't do as she was told the lord would crush her skull but just as rock was really getting his cult up and running the massacre in jonestown occurred and threatened to spoil the good times of cults all across north america oh my god this is like when jackie got booked in that crockpot commercial oh yeah stupid show destroyed the whole campaign because whole campaign because this is us or something.

The whole thing was predicated on a house fire started by a crockpot. The entire campaign was canceled. What I'm saying is sometimes things from the outside can affect your inside. Yep. Well, for Rock's part, he was fascinated and claimed that he'd had a dream the year before that specifically this would happen. Of course he did. But since the Jonestown tragedy was so vast and the body count was so high,

people the world over, including Canadians, started paying a hell of a lot more attention to the cults that seemed to be springing up everywhere. Canada spent a lot of energy and time and money on investigating cults. They actually really tried. There were several big agencies that they kind of created on the fly, Canada spent a lot of energy and time and money on investigating cults. They actually really tried. There were several big agencies that they kind of created on the fly,

especially because it was like Jonestown happened, and then Order of the Solar Temple happened. But they did not stop the anthill kids from happening. Interesting. You can just see the detectives just driving down the street and be like, oh, there's Robert Pickton. But there's a group of 10 people gathering three blocks away. We better make sure it's not a cult. We got to grab him. There's Robert Pickton back there,'s a group of 10 people gathering three blocks away. We better make sure it's not a cult. We got to grab him.

There's Robert Pickton back there, though. Because Pickton's got some. Have you been to that hog farm? That's disgusting. But it's rocking. No place for a cult. Yeah, it's rocking, though. Yeah, it is rocking.

Well, as a result of the Jonestown massacre, by December, the family members that Rock's followers had left behind were making a lot of noise. And both the media and the police became highly interested in what was going on at Eternal Mountain. Many of Rock's followers were given extensive psychiatric tests, but all of them were found to be agreeable, coherent, and living at Eternal Mountain under their own free will. As far as Rock went, the psychiatrist who examined him said that while Rock did show a tendency for schizophrenic hallucination he was also normal and agreeable and besides he was just so goddamn charming wait did you just say a tendency for yeah that's like most people don't have tendency to just be like crazy they just considered him to be this loopy humble jesus guy because he put on this ah shucks

like personality where he'd go in and be like well i am just a i'm just a mind in the woods loopy, humble Jesus guy. Because he put on this aw shucks personality where he'd go in and be like, I am just a man in the woods. You have eight accents with the same character. Franch, let me remember. Franch, I'm just a man in the woods. I do not know the difference between

a bean and a gun. I do not know the difference between a lake and a gun. I do not know the difference between a lake and a toilet. Let us just be our lives. Let us just teach our kids and make our fucks. A bean and a gun will both make you crap your pants. And so, with a stamp of approval from the authorities, Rock escalated once again. He announced that all previous marriages were annulled, and from then on, all the women, with the exception of one, would be married to

Rock. The only one not included in this mass union was Maryse Grenier, who was still none too happy that her husband had dragged her and their child to the top of a goddamn mountain. See, Maryse is one of the hardest people to understand in this cult, because while she obviously despised Rock Terrio, she was still under his control. But this actually made her perfect for Rock's purposes, because to a narcissist like Rock,

an enemy at hand is always useful. You have somebody you can always use as an example of what not to do. Yeah. And so you keep them specifically in the cult. You don't kick them out, even though that would actually be the logical thing. Wouldn't you want to fire somebody from the cult?

You know what I mean? Like, you're a weak link. Get the hell out of here. I didn't see you a lot. I didn't see you drag any beans, any fucking rice fucking bags. You know what I mean? But he uses her as being like,

and this is someone who does something bad. I think the reason why she ended up staying in the cults, because as we'll see, Rock Terrio used the children as a control mechanism. Yeah, he always used children as a choke point. So disgusting. And so while everyone else was outside working all day, Rock would bring the women into the cabin for sex

or he'd do it late at night after everyone else was allowed to go to sleep, often with more than one woman at a time. Some, like Nicole and Chantel, giggled and fawned over Rock, but others, like Solange, looked up to Rock as one does in regards to a stern father, with a mixture of fear and admiration. But no matter how they looked at him, it was always in the context of obedience. And don't worry, Rock got plenty fucking gross with each one if any if all you people wonder when's it gonna get gross fucking about to get gross right now why are you yelling at me when's it gonna get gross then i think the whole thing is gross because of the way rock terrier looks he looks like if a sponge fucked a piece of coral he is disgusting

well when gabriel sponges are coral yeah yeah no shit wow you just discover that on your own light bulb you don't even need a teacher when gabriel slept with rock for the first time he put her hand on his massive penis and asked her if the size suited his status as a prophet before pushing her head down to his bushy groin. Okay, down periscope. I don't like it. I don't want to play submarine today. He also made a decree that he would sleep with none of them unless the objective was

to get them pregnant. And before long, multiple women in the camp were pregnant and working just as hard as ever. This is great. You got no money. You got no time on your hands. You have no infrastructure. It's time to bring some kids into the mix.

But he was actually trying to avoid originally bringing kids in the mix. That's why it was BJ's only. But then he decided he needed to nut the other way in the barn door. And so he made as many children as he possibly could. And then he started talking about Joseph Smith, and he talked about building the church like the way normal people build the church. But I also don't like – it's the sentence that he says that it's always like – I hear this often when you read about things like the LDS or all these types of organizations where someone says he's like, it is nothing but love.

And the thing with love is the children, they come. It's like, ugh. So gross. Also, to be fair, he didn't really make the kids. Most of that happens there in the womb. Yeah, yeah, he's not carving them out of wood. And then it's just like, okay. And then it's just like, okay.

Rock also figured out very early on that a good way to get people under your control is to make them fight amongst each other for attention. So he began pitting every woman against each other by subtly talking shit. Real world versus road rules. This man, does he work for MTV? Well, eventually the women began trying to-up each other by writing Rock hand-delivered love letters that both exalted him as a leader and denigrated themselves as subservient followers. Here's an example from Gabriel, who had been given the appropriate biblical name of Thursta. Adored Pappy and well-loved master, my heart is sliding next to your immense father's heart. You have brought a lot of peace to me. I am happy about the lovely

family that you have formed and have allowed me to join. I thank you equally for the promise of better days. I feel very good at being at your side, to be one of your children, and to live simply but fully. It feels wonderful to realize we are all of one body that is not condemned to die. And before finishing, I would like to tell you again what I told you when I had the impression of losing my breath the other night. I am slime. I am less than nothing. And I beg your pardon for all of the errors of my flesh. I love you, Pappy.

And I will love you eternally. Thirsta. P.S. Please excuse my handwriting. She goes on to say, I would swallow my pride. I would choke on the rinds, but the lack thereof would leave me

empty inside. Oh, this is very good. Yeah, this is really good. Turn it inside out. By nothing but faith in nothing, wanna put my tender heart in the brand. Watch it spin around like a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, yeah. Wow.

Well, anyway, she was really talented. Rendezvous, and I'm through with you. Yes, indeed. That was my contraption. Now, once the sex began flowing freely, Rock Terrio gave in to debauchery completely, mostly because he no longer had to toe the line of Seventh Day Adventist bullshit to keep a hold on his followers.

He abandoned vegetarianism, consumed Pepsi and potato chips voraciously, and after two years as a sober man, drank beer and cognac for hours at a time, which invariably led to the extreme violence for which Rock Terrio is known. When did all the holistic stuff get thrown out the window? As soon as they started

nutting in multiple people like a giant big hairy octopus. Alright, so that was just, that's all gone now. That was a part of his control. That was only there for control and now he's got them isolated. He's got all new controls that he's figuring out.

But now he's eating like Kumail Nanjiani on a cheat day, if you follow his Instagram. He's very buff. He's very buff. I love Kumail. But Rock Theriault, it's weird because then the switch is also purposeful. He's now showing you just how flagrantly he can break his own rules that he set up because he is god's fucking golfing caddy he shows you up he shows and he's like the idea of going from being corn casserole to actively drinking soda and smashing chips in your mouth is such a it's a psychological move well they can

all see being like holy shit he just can change he changed changed our laws. He changes our laws. He is above us. He went from Dean Warmer to Bluto. Yep. Yeah, from animals. If Bluto became Dean. Yes. Now, night after night, Rock would drink and rant. And if someone fell asleep during his long sermons, Rock had a wooden club that he'd use to beat them awake.

When Maurice Grenier ate pancakes without Rock's permission, he broke two of her ribs, despite the fact that she was pregnant. Some of the more particular cruelties, however, were inflicted upon the children. See, at this point, there were plenty of kids and babies running around the camp, most of whom were Rock's own flesh and blood.

But if a child was not Rock's, then Rock treated them and made everyone else treat them as if they were less than human. He considered them animals and ordered that the kids sleep apart from their parents, treating them worse than dogs. When Maurice Grenier's six-month-old baby Samuel cried, Rock ordered that she strip the baby naked and roll him in snow until the baby's entire body was blue and swollen. All right, today's lesson, we're going to teach you all how to make your children comedians. All right, here we go. Who's got the six-month-old that's crying?

Pretty soon, Rock was extending physical punishment to anyone who disobeyed him. Then afterward, the follower would write a groveling letter of apology peppered with the insecurities that Rock himself had introduced. disobeyed him. Then afterward, the follower would write a groveling letter of apology, peppered with the insecurities that Rock himself had introduced. This letter is from Francine Laflamme, aka Hogla, who was beaten after she took seconds at dinner. Hello, Pappy. I am writing about what you said on the subject of nutrition. It is very true that I nibble. A damnable fault, which I will never again repeat. The thought of ingesting such a large quantity of food in so little time discourages me, even if I work outside the entire day without eating. I ask that you

forgive me. If it is stealing, I did not realize it. It is this fault which causes my plumpness. I do not want to be a fat and plump servant. That is too ugly next to the man that you are. I wish to be a true servant to you, my master. Alert, vigorous, with a clear and lively spirit, and well-balanced to serve you every moment of my life. I have a long way to go. Thank you, P pappy i love you

is this the same guy that we've been like talking about he is so gross looking yeah man we're saying i had we have now gotten several emails from women of the canadian persuasion who are like oh yeah i'll slide on that toboggan. Well, of course, if we're going to put it into a snow euphemism, I mean, I'll do a whole series of things with him. Now, Maurice started talking about leaving once the abuse piled upon both her and her child got to be too much. But when Rock heard about her intentions, he took it as an opportunity to introduce even more control.

As punishment for even thinking about leaving, Rock ordered Maurice's husband Jacques to cut off one of her toes with an axe. Now at first, Jacques refused, but Rock immediately shamed him into it by saying Jacques didn't have any balls.

He also dropped a hardcore F word back in there. Yeah, he did. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But this is exactly what happened in Major League. With the testicles. With the balls.

This is the whole joke about the dude who couldn't hit the home runs. And they're like, you got no balls. He's like, I got big balls. Oh, my God. This whole thing is just Major League Three. You got no balls. You better cut off your woman's toe. Oh, that's a good point.

I didn't think about it like that. I certainly don't want you to give me a kid's snow day like you gave to Samuel. Well, he's going to be very funny when he grows up. Well, I mean, that didn't sway Jacques. Jacques still refused, even though Rock was sitting there screaming at him. You don't have what it takes to teach your woman a lesson, so on and so forth. Jacques only agreed to do it when Rock threatened to cut off all of Maurice's toes. And since Jacques believed him, and since Rock had such a strong hold,

he took the axe and cut off his wife's pinky toe in front of the whole group. Oh my God. That's it. No more flip-flops. No more flip-flops. That'll be a hell of a conversation at home. Good grief. The only person at this point who couldn't take the violence was founding member Jacques Fassett, No more flip-flops. That'll be a hell of a conversation at home. Good grief. The only person at this point who couldn't take the violence was founding member Jacques Fassett, who had been one of the first four people brought into the SDA by Pastor Zeta.

From what Rock told his other members, however, Fassett left because the devil had claimed yet another member. Now, of course, the world did not end on February 17th, 1979, like Rock had predicted, which seemed to negate the entire reason why he'd taken everyone out into the wilderness in the first place. Right. Rock's excuse for this was that time works differently in heaven. Oh! I am dumb.

You're stupid. I am dumb. I get it. Time's different in heaven. I am wrong. Yeah, one second in heaven. I am wrong. Yeah. One second in heaven, May B is 40 years on earth.

Whoa. And because of this, his calculations got all messed up. These calculations. He got muddled up. You know, in North Korea, it's the year 109. Huh. Yeah. It begins at the birth of Kim Jong Soon, I believe. Wow.

Yeah. But this almost made things even more terrifying because it meant that Armageddon could come at any moment. Here it comes. Whoa. Here comes Armageddon. Whoa. Here it comes.

Meanwhile. Here comes Armageddon. Oh, God. Jimmy. I did. Meanwhile, a newspaper out of Quebec City had discovered the cult and it published an adoringly positive article with a title that almost sounds like a joke. The headline read, quote, they are happy and free to leave if they wish. What?

Horrible investigative reporting. I think that's safe to say. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't think the Quebec City Times has the fucking best staff around. No, they just thought they were cute. They literally thought that they were a bunch of they are rustic country. A bunch of people were starved to death with a bunch of kids who aren't being taken care of. Stop suffering at the hands of a man who looks like a pro wrestler who didn't make the cut.

They are trying to say it's their religious freedom to go out there, and we can't judge them just because they like the smell of logs, both wood and shit. This is where open-mindedness finds a fault, doesn't it? It does. This is where you can be too open-minded. It does.

Well, actually, with this, I would say this is more bad journalism, because the reason why the coverage was positive was because their main source was Jacques Fassette, the follower who left, and he'd had nothing but the nicest things to say about Rock Terrio and the lifestyle that the group was living.

Yeah, he was just leaving because he was just sick of it. He just didn't want to be on the commune anymore, and it was before everybody started getting beat. Yeah. No, he left when people started getting beat. Ah. But he said he left not because he was dissatisfied with the conditions or because anything untoward was happening.

He said he left because he was curious about the outside world. Oh, like a cat. Yeah. And he decided his path lay elsewhere. I think this is one of those things where it's like we talked about in Scientology where like people who leave Scientology still can't say anything bad about L. Ron Hubbard. It's the same shit. Because he's like fresh out of this shit absolutely so he's like the lessons

were good lessons taught by a teacher that was maybe a little grumpy I'll never diss Burger King I worked there for a summer and I'm always Burger King man also like you gotta remember this guy is

he's still indoctr remember this guy is... You're indoctrinated. Yeah, indoctrinated. This guy is still a Christian. He's still not sure. He's still thinking Rock Terrio might be the emissary of God. Maybe. So he's thinking if he talks shit, then God might strike him down. He's got to take that chance at any rate. Well, God always reads.

What was that newspaper again? The Quebec City Times, I think. Yeah, yeah. God's taking a chance at any rate. Well, God always reads. What was that newspaper again? The Quebec City Times, I think. Yeah, that's God's favorite. That's what he gets delivered every single morning in the Quebec City Times. He reads it up in heaven. Yeah, and they'll be delighted

to know God is Canadian. Isn't that nice? That's why he never, but no, no, God is not. He doesn't apologize nearly enough. No, he doesn't. I could go for a little

I'm sorry from God every now and again. Yeah. Well, the article did inspire another round of psychiatric evaluations, and Rock was actually committed to a mental hospital while his psychiatric evaluation was being done. Rock, however, flipped it and called press conferences with the local media who unanimously said, oh, leave him alone. They made Rock out to be a folk hero,

a shining example of a rugged Canadian blazing a trail in the wilderness. They wrote fawning op-eds with the Montreal star fretting that this soft-spoken mountain man would never recover, quote, the serenity he had found prior to his arrest. Oh, no, I'm crying for him.

Whoa. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, no, I'm crying for him. Whoa. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're about to get rolled in snow if you keep that up. Oh, I'm a snow cone. You are a kid. Even the director of the mental hospital got on Rock's side, saying that maybe the general public were the crazy ones. Wait, am I?

Did you ever think about it like that? Mm-hmm. All while he willingly referred to Rock by his chosen name of Moses. Proud to be an American. am so mad right now there's a middle ground there's a there's a middle there's a middle there's a middle ground between like the uh i guess permissiveness of canada and the over incarceration and over punishment of america in America, we gave them tax fucking exempt status. Scientology doesn't pay taxes. I paid so much more tax

than Scientology paid last year. You want to do tax corner? You think that's what the audience wants to hear? Everyone's struggling. I'm just saying that's what we folded them in. As long as they're making money for the top of the pyramid in America, they're totally legit. Okay.

But the only people who weren't fooled were the for the top of the pyramid in America, they're totally legit. Okay. All right. But the only people who weren't fooled were the followers' families, and both Chantal Lebrie and Francine Laflamme's parents attempted rescues. But by that point, the grip was permanent, and people were about to start dying as a result. Oh, man.

In October of 1979, Gabriel Nadeau, the follower with multiple sclerosis, fell into a coma and died. But when her parents retrieved the body, Rock was infuriated that he had not been allowed to bury her at the foot of Eternal Mountain. Well, after that, Rock Theriot said that when someone else the hands of the authorities implying that these people belong to him to do with as he wished he wanted your body after you were fucking dead well that's a fun day though of hide the body it's like oh it's thursday it's time to play hide the body oh here it is we didn't do a good job hiding it because i'm too weak to bust through the rocks damn it it. Meanwhile, the compound was expanding under Rock's direction.

He ordered his followers to build a second story for the cabin, new wings to stretch out the living space, and a sauna. Outside, they built a smokehouse, two greenhouses, a stable, and a storage room where Rock brewed strong but presumably awful

beer. Yeah, but yeah yeah it was supposed to be very strong though hear me out the smoker attached to the sauna the sauna smoke is from the smoker now you're the meat i don't think you're far off i could legitimately imagine that the wood that they're burning inside of the sauna is the same wood that is in the smoke. Ooh, very nice. Once Rock had a compound worth showing off, he got back in touch with his ex-wife, Francine, who, remember, Francine had two kids with Rock named Francois and Rock Jr. And remember, he'd done that before he had abandoned Francine for Giselle and the Seventh-day Adventist church. So, after having a couple of bizarre dinners at fancy restaurants,

in which Rock brought follower Nicole Ruel and flashed thick wads of cash, Francine was invited to come out to the commune and bring along Rock Jr. and Francois, which she did on multiple occasions. He acted like fucking old dirty bastard at dinners. He would come up with these big wads of cash, and he's like, buy anything you fucking want. Buy anything. You can do it. I have so much money.

You buy the most expensive thing. And he would have this huge display where it was very obnoxious and very embarrassing. Right. Him throwing money at people and doing this. It was very intense. Also, you're in Canada. What are you getting? I mean, you can get so much poutine.

That's it. Lutefisk? Lutefisk? Now, usually, Rock would mark the arrival of Rock Jr., Francois, and Francine with a party. And on one night in particular, Rock got drunk and decided to demonstrate a feat of strength. Taking a box of 12-inch nails, Rock began bending them into a V shape one by one. Those followers, they all clapped

with each bent nail. Look at this seal that is our God. Look at him. Well, they were showing what Rock felt was the appropriate amount of awe and admiration because this was obviously not the first time that a feat of strength had been demonstrated. Honestly, I could use some applause. Well, you want a round i miss it i miss it we'll give you an applause as soon as

you start bending metal but francine after seeing the absolute ridiculous nature of the display eventually couldn't hold it in any longer and she burst out laughing at the absurdity in response rock dragged her from her seat and punched and kicked her as she screamed and cried for help. The followers, now used to this type of sudden violence, simply watched with blank looks on their faces, presumably

until Rock was satisfied enough to continue the bending of nails. We'll bring this up time and time again. It's very much like a childlike bully no where he does not know how to respond yeah it's very childlike and we'll see as it goes and there's something about the childishness of it that makes a lot of his punishments specifically so savage because there it's that idea of the uh truly me first idea of a child reacting with

violence but you're an over 200 pound six foot tall man yeah i mean even the the isolation i mean yeah it is partly a cult tactic but it is also a very childlike impulse it's the impulse that a nine-year-old has when he gets in trouble i'm gonna run away and go and go live in the woods. I'm going away, and you're all going to miss me, and I'm going to live in my own fortress, and I'm going to jerk off everybody. It's not about missing you. It's about, like, legally having to get you back alive. Now, it's at this point that things at Eternal Mountain

entered a new level of darkness, although it would by no means be the lowest level rock would reach. In November of 1980, a 23 year old mental patient named Guy Veer showed up at the commune after seeing a positive TV report on the cult. Guy Veer is the only way to describe him. He's, he seemed like he there's somewhere he's somewhere between John coffee and Riff Raff from fucking Rocky Horror.

Rocky Horror, not the rapper Riff Raff. After talking to Guy, Rock gave him the new name of Ketamoth, put him to work doing bat-breaking manual labor, and forced him to sleep and eat in the storage shed outside, all during a Canadian winter. I just gotta say thank you so much, Rock, because it's so nice to get to sleep next to the shovels. It is really nice. You can cuddle those shovels.

I got all this room next to the buckets and I got all this floor I can just spread out on. Not too much spread. I kinda gotta sleep like a snail. That makes a lot of sense. Yes, indeed. You're by all the pots and pans because you're... What's his name? Kettlemore? Kettemoff. Kettemoff.

There it is. At least that's not a normal... At least he didn't call him Bart. Well, I mean, he'd run out of the name. He'd run out of the really normal names. He was now going down to Kettemoff, Boaz. Oh, okay. And someone else had already taken Joshua.

Yeah, he was running to the bottom of the barrel. There is also kind of, I have a little bit of a misunderstanding of, because Guy Veer joined, there seems to be a weird thing, because Rock says, oh, we took in this man, he needed help, and we're saving him. But Guy Veer seems like he apparently just wandered away from a mental hospital like literally like like left this mental hospital and this ended up there like yeah we have an open door policy

here at crazy inc well a lot of mental hospitals do most mental hospitals are uh you know voluntary they're on a voluntary basis and you know guy veer guy veer was suffering from severe depression and he thought that you know maybe this guy rock terrio uh had some answers so you know rock gave him a new name put him to work doing manual labor forced him to eat in the storage shed and after a whole winter eating and living in the storage shed uh when rock presented Guy with a contract, Guy fucking jumped. Okay.

The contract said that Guy would be allowed a room in the house if he took on 24-hour care of the three commune children who were not Rock's own. Great. These kids were Samuel and Miriam Jaguar, age 2 and 4, and Simon Ouellette, age 2. Now, at this point, Rock had fathered children by solange giselle and nicole but those kids were kept far away from guy veer but that's not to say rock's kids were treated like royalty but the only one who was treated as somewhat of an equal was rock

jr who was now 12 years old and staying his summers at the commune. Because Rock Jr. fucking loved it there. He loved it because he got treated like a little prince. And he's starting to be groomed by his own father to say, this is how us as kings and you as the son of God's first love show up. Right. I guess when you're part of the royal family, it's not so bad. As far as the kids born on the commune went, they were never allowed to play

with their mothers or receive any kind of parental love from anyone but Rock, at least when it came to his children. They, at the very least, got Rock. The ones who weren't his weren't allowed to receive any love whatsoever and were essentially being raised as a slave class

in the tiny society that rock terrio was building literally working you'd be actual like toddlers working you're critical now but wait until they debut on comedy central's premium blend and then we're gonna That show's from 1998. That was kind of the bit. Oh, yeah. This is always you saying your time and your bit for the time that this was in. With any luck, you'll be on the Carol Burnett show.

Honestly, I bet Carol Burnett got the shit beat out of her as a girl. It sounds pretty brutal for everyone. That's a no basis. I haven't heard one person have a good childhood ever, I don't know. That's a no basis. I haven't heard one person have a good childhood ever. I don't know. Sometimes we should write a book that says it was okay. Well, as such, while Rock's children were allowed to eat and sleep in the main house,

the others were relegated to sheds or simply the outdoors, which makes it entirely unsurprising that one of them ended up dead. Now, we don't know exactly what happened to Samuel Jaeger, but it's thought that the whole thing started when Guy Vier, after being kept awake one night by the child's crying, punched the two-year-old in the face until Samuel fell unconscious. Now, despite what some of the followers later told police, the child was bruised, but otherwise fine the next day and could sit up on his own. But for some reason, Rock decided that the problem with Samuel was that he wasn't circumcised.

And on that night, Rock attempted amateur surgery for the first time on a two-year-old. No one said anything as he put the fucking reflector shield on and he got the gloves going on. No one said fucking anything. This is a special place in hell for people who hurt a child. Using a razor blade, Rock circumcised the child, which I suppose isn't the most complicated surgery considering how it's done in Jewish homes

by Moyles all the time. Yeah, I've done it like four or five times. It's easy. Yeah, be careful there. They just stay there. They just sit there. Yeah, that old teeth thing there. Kind of nuts. But Moyles have training. Rock had only his own arrogance. Thinking that the child needed anesthetic, Rock poured pure ethanol into a rubber bulb

and pumped it into Samuel's stomach. Before long, Rock had killed the two-year-old through acute alcohol poisoning. What an absolute moron. I mean, mean and it's deadly that's how he thought okay yeah knowing immediately that an investigation would come if this fuck up was ever discovered rock terrio ordered that the body be incinerated the next day reasoning that if they simply buried samuel the crows and bears would dig up and eat the body. In reality, he's just destroying evidence. I guess he was two years old, so he couldn't exactly

be like, well, he was a drunk officer. He was at the bar getting hammered. You can look at the blood alcohol content. I tried to take the keys from him, but you tried to take the keys from a two-year-old. He's crazy. It's weird because we don't really know what happened. We don't fully know. We don't know

why he decided that something happened with the circumcision. I don't know why know what happened. We don't fully know. We don't know why he decided that something happened with the circumcision. I don't know why that necessarily happened. I don't know if Guy Vier actually did punch him because Rock, they basically, all of this shit happened at night and then they basically just found Rock with a dead kid. Yeah. And this all came from Giselle. Because Giselle later told her fucking story. And yeah, this is what she said happened.

Now, even though Rock had obviously killed the child himself, he blamed Guy Veer and put Guy on trial in the commune for the death of baby Samuel. In this, Rock used members of his own cult to organize a perversion of criminal court, with Jacques as the judge, Giselle as the prosecutor, and Claude as the defense. Gabriel, being the nurse of the group, acted as coroner, while Solange, Francine, Chantal, Josie, and Maurice played jury. It's almost like they're trying to set up a town. It is weird.

There's something about this that really, I don't know why this is where it starts to kind of get creepy for me, because they acted out role-playing style where they put out chairs. They set the scene. They all acted like it was a real court. They all – the judge sat in a big chair in front of everybody else. They all separated. They did it like it was a set from Law & Order. They all separate.

They did it like it was a set from Law and Order. Right. There's something about this being like, oh, so they're now fully playing into a complete, elaborate fantasy that is all orchestrated by rock. There's a dead child involved. Yeah. I mean, he's setting this up as a society. Like, this is our society. I mean, Ben, you're not far off. They are trying to make their own town.

No, I know. I don't know. They're like five years away from screaming sovereign citizen. That's the thing with cults. You're just building a town. It already exists. Yeah, play SimCity. Civilization VI is also

a good way to get all those little, you know, some of your more, I'm going to say, sultry impulses. I'm very happy that you have that as a release. Very happy. Well, after an hour of testimony and debate, Veer was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Whoa! That's a big hit!

He said he believed in science. He's crazy! Crazy! But this wasn't good enough for Rock Terrio. Two hours after the verdict was read, Rock took Jacques aside and suggested that maybe, just maybe, they should castrate Guy Vier instead. You know, and then Jacques is like, oh, I don't know.

There was a court. We did a whole court. And he's just like, let me tell you something, Jacques. The court, it didn't mean fucking anything to him. What? I just fucking make shit up as I fucking go, friend. What? So another vote was taken from a wider pool, which included the 12-year-old Rock Jr.,

and the vast majority voted for castration. Now, Guy Veer understandably objected. Egg! Hey, maybe we should like... Hold on. Maybe we should take a mulligan. Yeah. You know what they do in the car, you're going downhill, you want to pump the brakes?

Pump the brakes a little bit. But Rock calmly talked him into it by telling Guy that those headaches he'd been suffering would all go away if Rock was only able to remove Guy's left testicle. The thing, though, is that honestly, Rock, I guess that makes some kind of sense. No, I don't. But why don't you, instead of me saying I have a headache, you tell me I got bulging? Rock also argued that Guy had respiratory problems due to excessive masturbation it is hard for me that's my only cardio yeah well i know the work that you do 24 hours a day and nothing would cure something like that better than a good old-fashioned backwards castration all right let's get that bowl

out of there who has a straw and who can suck the hardest? There's certain things that are just better from the side of the road. Boiled peanuts, barbecue, and fucking dirty ass gulch castration. Yeah, absolutely. Get it done fast. Get it done wrong. Rock even had Guy write a letter of consent affirming Guy's specific status as a sterile

eunuch within the group. Also, I would like you to write a letter to your left testicle saying how much you enjoyed having it inside of your body and saying how much you're going to miss it. Dear Lefty, I'm going to miss you mostly on vacation because you helped my bathing suit look even. But honestly, I won't

forget all the other things that you make me do like want to succeed in a job or want to make love to a woman. Bye Lefty. Bye. This letter, which sounds terribly childlike partly said quote see i said no because i was scared now i say yes because anyway my testicles aren't doing me any good yeah they are no man i'm just i'm too heavy on the left side and it's making my brain drift.

And so Claude and Jacques held Guy's legs while Chantal focused a pin light on his scrotum, and Rock prepared to perform the surgery. He wrapped an elastic band around Guy's genitals and removed his testicles with a razor blade, leaving behind nothing more than a flaccid, empty sack. It kind of looks like a sail on a big pink ship. Yeah, if you think about it. So he took both the balls. Oh, yeah.

He took both of them, not just one of them. Okay. According to Rock Jr., who was forced to watch the whole thing, the testicles were put in a Kleenex and thrown away. The scrotum turned purple and bled for a week after that, but still the torture did not end. For the next month, when Rock got drunk, which was often, he'd strap Veer to

a tree and whip him until his entire body was black and blue. One time, he stripped Veer naked, tied him to a post, and ordered his followers to stab him to death. When they picked up the knives and were about to go through with it, Rock told them to stop

and maniacally laughed at the fact that they were actually going to do it. Whoa, dude! Whoa, that was a fucking bit, man! That was a bit? You crazy! We're going to kill this guy! You guys are crazy!

You got to be careful with the bits, bro! You are the ones taking shit too far! But we were just following you! You are the one! Crazy! With. But we were just following. You are the one. Crazy. With the knives. Who gave you these? At least he's having fun.

But after about a month of this abuse, Guy Veer snuck off the commune, walked the 13 miles back to town, and told the local that a toddler had been killed up on Eternal Mountain after being kicked in the head by a horse. Well, sir, this is a sandwich shop. Thank you so much for just dropping that. Cool. All right. Tuna? You want tuna? Yeah, I just saw the word sub. I thought I should come in.

Once... He's a sub. Once word of the child's death made it back to the authorities, cops stormed the compound and took away all the children and made Rock, Jacques, Maurice, Gabriel, and Guy criminally responsible for the death of Samuel Jaguar. All right. There must be some punishment then. Two years in jail. Yeah.

Rock got sentenced to jail. Okay. Yeah. He got two years in jail. The others got lesser sentences. And Giselle rented an apartment in the town where they were all being held, where the other cult members and their children could live. Okay. And without fail, when one of Rock's followers was released from prison, they joined Giselle

and the others. And over the course of two years of incarceration, Rock didn't lose a single follower. Oh my God. This is what I was talking about with the sticky sticky, is the fact they had full-on opportunities to leave this now rock is in jail they have all been they all thought including the authorities the spell will now be broken right this cult will just drift away it will break apart and go but they doubled down and rock spent the entire time screaming on the phone like he was tom cruise making his Mission Impossible 7. He is literally screaming all day getting everybody to say,

Show me the money. Show me the money. I think they said that their collect call bill was about $500 a month. And they paid for it. And they spent all of their welfare checks instead of buying food for the kids or for themselves. They spent all of their money on paying for collect calls so Rock could keep his control over his followers. Oh, yeah, because we didn't fully go into it because it's kind of boring.

This whole thing was also, they were also in the middle of a massive welfare scam. They were all just taking money and giving it up to Rock. Yeah, the compound they built was bulldozed and burned, but his followers saw the entire affair as a test. As the writers of Savage Messiah put it, they were an island of purity in a hostile world populated by demons, sinners, and corrupt influences. And their devotion to rock was the only thing keeping them alive. So you're fucking this guy that looks like Bruiser Brody. You got one dead baby, one guy with no balls, no food, and you guys have been working like dogs for nothing for how many years now? Wait a second.

Did you say for nothing? You say for nothing? You got no money. You have nothing. Look, it's these beans. Ah, you do have beans. Four years. Four years.

Four years when he went into prison, it was four years. But by the time he got out of prison, it had been six years, and they're still there. it was four years, but by the time he got out of prison, it had been six years, and they're still there. I mean, the only thing that really changed during his stint in prison was that Giselle, a.k.a. Mammy, she wanted to step down, and Solange happily took the second-in-command spot. And Rock even managed to get three of his followers pregnant

during weekend visitations while he was in prison. They have an incredible leniency towards conjugal visits. He got one every month. He got to fuck every month. They have an incredible leniency towards conjugal visits. Yeah. He got one every month. He got to fuck every month. That's nice for him, though. While in prison, Rock took a page from Hitler's book and worked on his memoir. Uh-oh.

It was called L'Affaire Moise, or The Moses Affair. Ugh, God, this guy. Is it the Pelican brief? Is he writing that next? Rock rambled into a tape recorder for hours and out of a 367 page transcript, a ghostwriter brought it down to 173. I mean, it is tough being a ghostwriter

because you can oftentimes light the paper on fire when you get angry and your head turns into flames if you think about the... Wow, so this is a pun that you try to construct about ghostwriters. He's talking about the motorcycle hero. The motorcycle hero ghostwriter. It's a pun on top of multiple puns.

It's simple brilliant. It's a pun on top of multiple puns. It's simple brilliant. I'm going to start calling you the Samuel Clemens of this table. You know who that is? No, I don't. I won't tell you. Is it bad? No, it's I'm going to say undeserved, but

Who's Samuel Clemens? Also, we were not supposed to do so many sidebars. Who's Samuel Clemens? Also, we were not supposed to do so many sidebars. Who's Samuel Clemens? Who is he? Should I tell him, Dogmeat? Go ahead. It's Mark Twain. Never heard of him.

Well, the memoir, released by a minor Quebec publisher to the tune of 5,000 copies, was a justification parade in which Rock claimed that he and his followers were persecuted because they lived on the margins of society and had discovered a more meaningful, peaceful truth. Man, my fucking justification parade is going to be so long and so loud. Can't wait. I cannot wait to have my fucking weaponized tubas when I take my justification parade down to where my

agency used to be. You know, this is the Lakers NBA championship parade, Mr. Zabrowski. I'm taking up the back of it. You're taking the back of the parade. Okay. Well, as far as the whole business with Guy Vero went, Rock wrote that Guy had wanted it. He claimed that Guy had gone on

and on for months about his desire to become a eunuch for the Holy Virgin, and Rock was only too happy to oblige. In one short passage, which Henry will now read, Rock Terrio reimagined himself as a beloved, generous leader who had, through the very virtue of existing, led a group of misfits to the promised land. And for this, they treated him as they would a king. On returning from my daily three-kilometer walk one Saturday in June of 1980, I saw Nathan and Boaz coming towards me. They greeted me and hosted me onto their shoulders amid cries of,

Long live the king! Suddenly, the others appeared and picked up the chant. They revealed what I represented to them. A model, a guide, a hero. In other words, I had become the sovereign of their hearts. As confirmation, my wife is there placed on my hand while flutes played in the background a metal crown. Next, they placed a robe around my shoulders and a rod in my hand like I stepped there.

My friends informed me that from that day forward, they would celebrate an annual festival of the king in Mayanair. They dressed you up like Jerry Lawler. He looked like Jerry Lawler. This whole thing is just wrestling gone horribly, horribly wrong. It looks like Tugboat dressed as Jerry Lawler. Oh, Tugboat. wrestling gone horribly horribly wrong it looks like tugboat dressed as jerry lawler oh tugboat while this is an extended deep weird fantasy to write a lie within your own journal of a thing that obviously did not happen there are bits of it that are real because this is about the time

when he started to dress in costumes because he did have the it's very much man do you remember the fucking metallica video from the unforgiven oh yeah yeah the lot of this second half of this fucking reminds me of that video where it's just him in a fucking him with that fucking crown next to him and fucking hat hanging out dude and there's like that kind of murky thing where he's like this like metal god but still you can see his crown is made of paper unforgiven man unforgiven too just like that it sounded just like that fucking clean us over again now rock did write that this was just a bit of harmless frivolity

but this was really how his followers thought of him. They were his subjects, and he was their divinely chosen king. And until the day he was finally taken out, they did whatever he wanted. And for a queen, we have Queen Carlotta from Desperate Living. Isn't that fun? Walk backwards on Tuesdays. Desperate Living, if you haven't seen it, that is one of my favorite John Waters films. Speaking of bad royalty.

It's disgusting. Man, it's about to get real. Actually, this is about to get real fucking Desperate Living. This is about to get to that. But look, so much fucking worse. But very bad. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Well, I'm getting prepared. So in February of 1984, Rock Terrio was released from prison, having lost not a single follower over the course of two years being apart. Now, in those two years, his followers had gotten pretty used to living in actual houses with heating and plumbing, and everyone was just crossing their fingers, hoping that Rock would simply join them in civilization. Rock, wouldn't you just love to have a common room? Sounds nice, right? Wouldn't it just be nice to have just like a oh a room you know anything walls the whole thing but immediately upon his release rock proclaimed that it was time for a second exodus into the woods and he was forbidden from

associating with the followers who had also been arrested while they were in the confines of Quebec. But that didn't apply to the rest of Canada. So, within days of Rock's release from prison, he and Jock got in a truck and headed west to Ontario on the hunt for their second commune. This one, where the worst of Rock Terrio's crimes would be committed, was a 200-acre parcel east of Burnt River. Do you ever do a Google map of Burnt River? No.

It's out there, my friend. I don't even know how the fuck they found it. But apparently it's got a really good dispensary now. Oh, cool. Once the whole cult was moved back out into the boonies, they built a sawmill from a chainsaw motor to produce beams and boards for the construction of a full community in the canadian wilderness this is the only thing that is insane to me he did build obviously rock

terry o is full of shit absolutely uh you know he's a clown but he managed to engineer a homespun like industrial workload like a factory. He created a log cutter. He created all of these hoists. He's the only cult leader that I know of, that I remember of, who's a straight-up engineer. And like a log cutter, he's a real asshole. This is why people come to the show.

You know what? I'm going gonna give it back to him the samuel clem samuel clemens over there samuel clemens samuel clemens i heard samuel clemens changed his name from mark twain you did hear that i know i just we just keep raising the bar i know it i know well as far as construction went first came an a-frame cabin and soon after the cult built a large two-story house with a kitchen and private sleeping quarters for rock strangely or perhaps appropriately rock had his own personal toilet built in his own bedroom where anyone who happened to be in there with him was forced to watch as Rock took a dump. Man, that's the ultimate power move. What a difference between having a bedroom adjacent to

or connected to your master bedroom and having the bathroom in the master bedroom. Put the toilet in the center of it, yes. In the center, yes. Perfect. I like to be able to shit with my legs in a V position. So you're like, hey, Rock, how was jail? He's like, it was absolutely horrible, but I did like the layout.

The best part is, honestly, think about this. It's kind of a paradise. You've got a little sink. Oh, who needs the whole of the... I hate to be clean anyway. And then you've got the fucking bed. It's right next to where I shit. Whoa, that's so convenient. After the house came a bakery, a

smokehouse, and a sugar shack where Rock's cult could make as much maple syrup as their little Canadian hearts desired. As legally required by the Canadian government. Absolutely. Finally came a sanctuary built of stone where Rock would speak to God. Beginning to end, they built all of these structures, which were apparently immaculately constructed in just five months. Wow. Now, during the first exodus, Rock had 20 people under a spell, but after a few of them died and a few left when shit got too weird, Rock was now down to 13 in addition to 10 children. Oh my God. These were the most fervent of Rock's followers, and each of them settled into a role that inevitably served Rock. Solange was the arbiter of disputes.

Chantel was Rock's personal chef. Nicole was Chantel's assistant. Maurice cut Rock's hair. And Francine was Rock's personal masseuse. Ooh. As far as practicality went, Giselle was surrogate mother to the children. Josie was in charge of firewood and keeping the stoves burning. Jacques and Claude were the outdoor guys.

And Gabriel, being the only one who spoke English, was the interpreter to the outside world. And Rock Jr. got into improv. Isn't that nice? Hey look, he can make up so many characters so easily. Wow. But almost immediately, the cruelty began anew and was worse than ever. Maryse Grenier still hadn't left, despite the fact that Rock was responsible for the death of her child. And Rock singled her out for punishment.

She was beat for the smallest infractions. Things other more dedicated members would skate past. And she was ordered to live separately from the group with her two surviving children, and none of them were allowed to mix with the group at large. This arrangement lasted until her oldest child, Miriam, was old enough to be accepted into the group. But when that day came, she was ordered to live in the men's cabin with Claude and Rock Jr., and was forbidden to speak with her mother, Maurice, anymore. Rock also started pumping social services for welfare and turned his followers into expert shoplifters. They were told that anything they stole was rightfully theirs,

and anytime they were caught, they were let off with a warning out of pity. It's kind of like the Adolfo Costanzo thing, where he told them all, we have God's permission. God forgives you of stealing because you're stealing for God. Yeah, you're stealing for him. And then they went to go do it and they constantly get let off because they would show up. It's both a conscious scheme and a naive move where these people in tunics would show up with like three babies attached to them. And they would find them.

They would create these special outfits that they would wear when they would go shoplifting they would have compartments filled with pounds and pounds of food that would fill and they would leave and they would come they would just take they would find people obviously shoplifting and then they would take all the food from them but then they're just looking at these like quote to them these like simple bumpkins that were like living on the woods. Who can't speak English. No English, purposefully too, because he also made sure that they wouldn't.

Yeah. Because he didn't want them to be able to communicate. And they would just be like, I guess we just let him go because what am I going to do? We're going to put this mom and her kids in jail. And she's just obviously, she just loves stocks of corn so much she wants to live with them. Oh absolutely.

Rock also had all of his followers call and write their extended family begging for money. Coaching the cult to guilt their relatives into supporting grandchildren that they had neither seen nor were even told it existed up until that point. But all of this still wasn't enough to support the cult

and when it was discovered that the soil on Burnt River was too poor to produce crops, Rock had the bright idea to get into the fruit business. Oh, that's always a bright idea. It's always there. Just grows. Yes, it is. He sent Jock and Claude down to the Niagara Peninsula, which is apparently known as Ontario's fruit belt.

Yeah, the fruit belt I normally wear, it's just covered in berries. Absolutely. All right, so what we're going to do today, take that grape, throw it at that apple. We're going to try to make grapples. Okay, if this works, guys, if this works, we're going to be millionaires. Well, they brought back hundreds of pounds of produce that the rest of Rock's followers sold to tourists and locals at stands around the province.

This business model actually proved to be quite a success. So Rock formed a company and called it what else but the Ant Hill Kids. He said the title of the episode. Because as we said, they all work together like a colony of busy little ants selling fruit, pies, and preserves. Fruit pies. Is this the only cult with a name that's LLC'd? Heaven's Gate.

Heaven's Gate had an LLC. That's right, with the website and the Packers logo they stole. But true to cult form, the followers still starved, despite pie and preserves being everywhere. Because they were living off of corn, cabbage, and potatoes. That was it. That's not good. I mean, that's corn, cabbage, and potatoes. That was it. That's not good. I mean, that's just, honestly, that's a fart slurry.

Oh, yeah. No, it's always fart slurry. Cults always eat fart slurry. Man, where's the meat? Where's the meat, these damn cults? The meat is at the store that you were unable to steal, Becky. So maybe you go back out there to the Walgreens or whatever we have around here. I tried to lift a hand, but my hands fell asleep.

That's a heavy ham. Rock also began drinking again, which, before long, would turn the commune into a nightmarish, violent hellscape. I'm surprised they didn't turn on him with the drinking, to be honest. It's God choosing to drink. And God needed to relax. And that's what it's god choosing to drink because god needed to relax and that's what he's saying straight up god needs to relax god needs to get in the headspace this booze allows me to get in the fucking headspace like he says weird shit and it's really because up before this he started working them to death and they all preferred new capitalist

rock way more than they preferred drunk dad fucking treating this as a fucking sex cult you know that side of rock so they were as soon as this happened because that's when he starts the business starts falling apart too right like immediately as soon as he starts boozing right but before things truly turned dark rock indulged he would get trashed and call for nicole or chantal to fetch his king's jewels which were really just worthless costume trinkets so fucking creepy this creeps me out i don't know what it is it's something about putting on all the fake shit and walking around and and then everyone having to act like it's real even though he also knows it's not real they know it's not real and they all are just in this massive ornate shared fantasy.

Well, you know, he's wearing them. He's rambling on about how valuable they are. They're all agreeing with him. They're clapping because, you know, they knew that if they didn't, the consequences would be dire. And what he's doing is he is shaping their objective reality. He's making them believe that what he said was true, no

matter what their eyes, their own experience or anyone else was telling them. God, who does that sound like? I don't know. Who does that fucking just sound like? I could put my finger on it. But you know, why do we worship gold?

Why do we worship jewels and gems? Because they're shiny. It's a construct. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But they are shiny. That's true. Yeah, they are shiny.

They're shiny. They, yeah. But they are shiny. That's true. Yeah, they are shiny. They're shiny. They serve purposes. They shine. But it's an idea, right? You're like, oh, there's not much of that. We better fight over that. It's just been around since we have a fascination with things that are shiny and easily moldable. Yeah.

Well, once Rock got tired of jewel talk, he'd bring multiple women into his room, having sex with one while two or three others gave him a massage. Yeah, they would rub his legs and his butt. Yeah. Sometimes all eight women would participate in a cult orgy while Mozart or Beethoven played from a battery-powered tape deck. But even after Rock ejaculated, he still wouldn't let them go to sleep. Instead, he'd order all of the women to either masturbate or caress one another while he watched and of course rock also took these orgies as a way to

exert more control yeah it's high energy activity too and it's connective it's making them all kind of connected to each other and it kind of keeps it going because there is some pleasure in it which is the converse side of it, that you're being forced, but there's also weirdly, there is physical pleasure. So he's trying to like Pavlov train them too, where like he mixes it specifically being like, I'm giving you this pleasure,

but the punishment's right fucking behind it. Yeah. And he would purposefully pay more attention to one woman while pointedly ignoring another, especially if he knew those two women already had a problem. And in inspiring jealousy, he also inspired further adoration. Sometimes, Rock encouraged these rivalries further by drawing a square on the ground

where the women would be forced to fight each other naked while Rock sat and scored the match, a point given for a punch and a point taken away for going outside the square oh my goodness it is uh sumo rules i guess sumo rules sometimes rock himself would participate in these fights but usually this was just a trust up public beating for his opponent because anyone who hurt rock would be punished even worse sometimes rock would put a man in the square and direct the women to beat him senseless while the man had no choice but to just take it and from what one of the guys said who got one of these beatings he said these women they worked in the woods for years they were extraordinarily strong oh yeah beat you it fucking hurt yeah they were extraordinarily strong. And when they beat you, it fucking hurt.

Yeah, they were fucking beating the shit out of everybody. This is where it's getting real fucking woodsy. Because the idea of now it's everybody's beating everybody. Everybody's fighting. Everybody's naked while it's happening. He's turning them into animals, pitting them against each other. And it's sex mixed with the physical punishments, just making them all like like he's blurring all

of these lines and breaking everybody's like societal the old societal ways are just being stripped piece by piece by piece. I think that's what Dana White is doing right now with Fight Island. What's Fight Island? Fight Island is where they have all the UFC fights. It's for COVID. They literally bought

an island. That's kind of cool though. That seems fun. It's a Dana White UFC joke. Yeah, dude, but they are, well, you know, but that's good, though, because they're trained to fight each other, and that's like a sport. That's like a thing, so it's not like this. Yeah, like they're not all the UFC fighters aren't fighting for Dana White's approval

and love. Yeah, do they all suck Dana White's dick? They are, actually, but I am not going to explain this to you guys. Somebody out there got it. Well, as Rock's drinking got worse, so too did the punishments. And it seemed like God would be particularly adamant about the most extreme punishments,

specifically when Rock drank. Because Rock called God master. And so he said that everything that he got came straight from master. So he got closer to master when he drank and so all this is not him he's just a vessel he is just being forced to do this this is all commands that the master is giving him sounds like randy from south park when he went to go see the uh the little league games just getting absolutely hammered getting arrested every time you're like this is america he's just

that's it's such an alcoholic thought. Such a drunk fever dream idea. Yeah. Well, Rock told his followers that they were all inherently evil. And by beating them, he was beating the devil out of their souls. And this was all when he was drunk. Sometimes he struck his followers in the face randomly with the flat of an axe blade. Or he'd whack them on the forehead with a hammer. But his punishments

weren't just physical beatings. One of his old standbys was to strip followers naked and urinate on them as they lay on the floor, often making them open their mouths to make it as awful as possible. And sometimes he'd just do it for fun. God, I hate Pappy Sprinkler. It's not good. Larry Lawton, if you watch the Larry Lawton YouTube channel, he's an ex-con who stole the most amount of jewels in America, but he has a story with CEOs doing things like that to him. It's freaking brutal.

Wow. Wow. It is nasty stuff, man. This power control sub stuff is nasty. Possibly worse than that was when he would make his followers lick someone else's anus just after they defecated then he would force them to pick up the turd and smear their cheeks and forehead with feces wait when did okay when did oh right yeah

when did all the dookie stuff start and with the pee-pee. Yeah, the pee-pee came first and then the poopie came right afterwards. He definitely made someone do the whole, like, because it's a chocolate fountain over there. I don't. Well, it's what we talk about with the childlike stuff, you know, playing with human waste, you know, using that as punishments. And most of the time, like, the shit punishment in particular was usually saved for Gabrielle, one person in particular. Well, there's nothing wrong with having a fun fetish and all that stuff. Yeah, you can eat shit all day if you like it. I mean, if you want to eat shit.

Eat shit. Honestly, you can. Eat shit. Whatever you do. If you have a big stomach, yeah. It's fucking pandemic, man. Do what you got to do. But Gabrielle.

How'd you get through the pandemic? I'm a bit of a beaver. I'm a bit of a busy beaver. Sounds like it. But Gabriel, the reason why she got this specific punishment is that she used to brag, quote unquote, brag. She was just an actual nurse. And so whenever she tried to correct or say something health wise to rock or how we could

do something that you want, he would do this punishment to her. Yeah. All right. do something that you want, he would do this punishment to her. Yeah. All right. Every time the followers walked away appearing contented, even happy, because they believed that the punishments had restored their favor with God and Moses had brought them back to the righteous path.

But every once in a while, someone would fight back. On one occasion, Jacques punched Rock in the face and sent him flying over a pile of chairs. And to determine his punishment, Rock set up another one of his courts, which were becoming more and more common in order to figure out punishments. As opposed to the trial of Guy Veers, Rock decided he was the best person to preside as judge. And Rock always presided wearing an elegant black tuxedo. I have no clue how we kept it fucking clean well after jock was found guilty rock chose circumcision as the punishment it seems rock it seems like that's your go-to yeah it's kind of like my favorite thing you know some people like

boxes all covered in string and kitty cats and cake and shit. I like a castration. Oh my goodness. This town needs an enema. Yeah, it does. I keep wanting to say this reminds me of Dracula. It really does. This sentence was carried out by one of his followers with one swift chop of the knife.

And Jacques was lucky to only lose his hood in the process. Oh. was lucky to only lose his hood in the process. But invariably, when Rock sobered up, he'd cry like a child and beg God to stop commanding such acts of brutality. That's to me

also deeply frightening. He wakes up all hungover and then he falls to his knees in front of everyone just going like, Why'd you make me do this, Master? Why'd you make me do this? And they have to sit there being like, Yeah, Master, why do you make him do this, master? Why'd you make me do this? And they have to sit there being like, Yeah, master, why do you make him do this? Never a day without drama, I guess.

But remember, it wasn't just adults on this commune. Ten children came to Burnt River with the anthill kids, and the local social workers, particularly the Kawartha Halliburton Children's Aid Society, had noticed. Now, at first, the social workers were charmed by Rock just as much as anyone else was. He gave them a tour of the commune and filled the visitors with bullshit, claiming that he'd been a missionary for the SDA church, a paramedic for four years,

the head of a health clinic in Quebec City, and the mayor of Thetford Mines. Oh, yeah. This is where the internet does come in handy. It does. But in October of 1984, Quebec released a bulletin all across Canada informing everyone about the death of baby Samuel and the castration of a mental patient named Guy Veer. After this, a social worker named Georgia Brown took it as her own personal mission to save

the children. Yay, please do. Completely unfazed by Rock's charm, Georgia Brown saw through Rock Terrio immediately. And this woman, think about, they are in the middle of fucking nowhere. They had to go hike out to check.

In the winter, they had to take snowmobiles. They had to take snowmobiles. And now this woman, because this woman's a fucking hero, Georgia Brown was like, we're going to do this. And so she was making monthly trips out there to go look at these kids, doing her best, trying to figure out a way to get something on rock so we can get the kids out of there. Yeah.

She dug deep into the inner workings of the camp instead of taking everything at face value as her fucking colleagues had. And she soon discovered that the kids were only fed corn and cabbage for every meal. The kids didn't even get potatoes. Like, potatoes was for earners. Potatoes was for winners.

Horrifically, Rock also implied to her that he was raising the female children to join his harem of wives long before reaching the age of consent. But he didn't say he was doing that. She just asked him if he was doing it and he like shrugged his shoulders. He's like, I don't know.

Meanwhile, Rock was telling the children, who now numbered 14, that the social workers were all Satan's helpers. Each and every one born with the heart of a dog. Oh yeah. I always think that about social workers were all Satan's helpers, each and every one born with the heart of a dog. Oh, yeah. I always think that about social workers. They're in it for the money and the fame.

It's the money that's the big thing. I keep saying that. And the recognition. Oh, they get so much recognition. How much thanking they get. We don't just absolutely praise the wrong people in society. Absolutely not. I want to be the first one to bravely say in a podcast podcast i think social workers are overpaid and overvalued absolutely and it's about time someone addressed

the fact that 45k for what for what well as a result that all that was sarcastic yes i think yes extraordinarily sarcastic people know people as a result you know the whole heart of the dog yeah good job the kids would scream and run away from the social workers whenever they showed while the parents just sat and stared and then there was another death in january of 1985 under rock's command gabriel lavalier wrapped her five-year-old child eliezer in a blanket and placed him in a wheelbarrow in 22 degree weather and left him out there for over an hour baby turned blue and died but you know since there was i mean and normally you know rocket proclaimed they shall never take

another body of a child from this place there was a lot of attention on the commune they would you know the social workers would know next time they came like hey there's a baby missing from the list here right they called an ambulance using rock cb radio and they told the local doctor who came a baby just died you know we came in the baby was dead so the doctor just wrote sids as the cause of death and said all right y'all have you gotta be good now just peel back a layer and just see like that's what she tried to do i mean i remember because georgia brown is mortified you remember the one story that when she showed up unannounced because he's trying to make them to give them more notice like he said you guys need to start giving me two days notice before you guys come and georgia brown's like

fuck that yeah exactly she showed up one time and everybody was in their hut she couldn't find anybody they're all hidden away except they found rock naked standing on a stump screaming to his cb that the fucking armageddon was coming. Armageddon's coming! Armageddon's coming! Like having a full, drunken meltdown. He just looks at her and he's like, is it Wednesday already? Oh man, sorry, I just didn't even have this prepared. I lost track of time.

Good lord. Now most of the other social workers wrote off the death of Eliezer's no big deal, but Georgia saw the entire situation for exactly what it was. Yeah, are these social workers, like, do they look at an orange and not realize there's a fruit inside? It's hard. They're just like, oh, yeah, you can't eat that. That's too bad.

Like, why? Investigate, please. Well, Georgius sought out a group called COMA, short for the Council on Mind Control. And after confirming that COMA were not Scientologists. Yeah, she had to check that. She's smart. She's smart. She's smart.

Very smart. The only way to solve this cult is to get another bigger cult. No, Georgia Brown's incredible. But she contacted coma for their opinion. And after coma heard about the polygamy, the constant monitoring of members, the division of children into classes, the use of biblical names, the isolation, the rationing of food,

and the acceptance of one person as a source of all knowledge, the head of coma turned to his wife and said, Christine, I think we got ourselves a cult. We got one! That's amazing. This is he from Ghostbusters. I know. And by the way, did you know Ghostbusters was going to be called Ghost Breakers? Yes. They finally got the race to Ghostbusters. I know. And by the way, did you know Ghostbusters was going to be called Ghost Breakers? Yes.

They finally got the rights to Ghostbusters. Yeah. Now, as Georgia returned to the commune again and again, she noticed the behavior of the children was increasingly strange. They never moved or uttered a sound, never laughed, never cried, never ran. In other words, they didn't act like children. they didn't act like children. As far as why none of the members left, despite the abuse heaped on the children,

Rock had convinced them that if they were to leave, God would strike them down. God would kill them if they left. This is where you just gotta, you just gotta take the leap. Let me just see. You just gotta jump out. I promise you, you're not gonna get killed. Well, in October 1985,

Maryse Grenier did. She finally left, but only after rock gave her permission she begged him to let her go for months and rock finally decided that keeping her there would become a morale problem which would make controlling the other members more difficult and so marise left she moved back in with her parents and began a months-long process of reintegrating herself back into society. Once she was out, she confirmed for Georgia Brown just how fucking awful things really were for the children at Burnt River. Now, this next little bit is what I'm going to call the Christmas frown section. Oh, no, that's not good.

If you want to have yourself a Christmas frown, like I did yesterday, proceed. Okay. Well, Maurice said that Rock had used the children in sexual games that involved group masturbation, and Rock would involve the kids in bizarre rituals where the adults and the kids would dance around a fire naked. Then the adults would conduct an orgy while the kids watched. Rock would also have the children masturbate in front of him as a form of sexual

education, claiming that it would awaken their sexuality, and more than one child was forced to masturbate Rock himself. Very David Bergey. This is the David Berg section. Absolutely. As far as physical abuse went, he'd throw the children into the lake or against trees when he was drunk, calling them devils. So much kid tossing in this. Ya lot. Other times, he'd hang them by trees with nails driven into their clothing and mock crucifixions,

then direct adults to throw rocks before calling it off at the last second. On more than one occasion, he'd hold two infants above a fire, roaring with laughter, while saying that he might throw one of the babies into the flames,

but there was no telling which one, all while the mothers begged and pleaded for their child to be saved. There are scenes, straight up, there are scenes from a horror movie in this, where it's like one story that they had, where Rock had a kid raise a goat. Reese has been this is your path you love this goat and then he took

the goat and he took all of the chosen kids out to a field dug a hole and then killed the goat inside of the hole while they're all watching kill slit its throat spread blood and intestines all over himself and then came out being like i am resurrected to a bunch of kids not applauding jesus infants will be thrown into the lake for crying children will be thrown against walls or put in cages as punishment and no one was allowed to show the children any affection or comfort besides rock punishment pleasure punishment pleasure i'm the only one who gives it i'm the only one who takes it away i'm god's cousin what if i just show up with an ar-15 and kill you yeah fucking someone do i wish someone had i mean you may ask why no one did

anything and but jock did try once to say this is fucked up this is awful well i thought that when jock got out he was he was nice about it. Didn't he go through the press? No, different Jock. There's two Jocks. There's two Jocks. I forgot we were in French-Canadian. Okay, different Jock.

Yeah. Well, when Jock spoke up, Rock, without thinking about it, smashed a wine goblet and slit his fucking throat. Right then and there. Cut his jugular vein. The only thing that saved Jock's life was Gabrielle. She was a former nurse. So she did she wrapped it up otherwise yeah that that's like rock showed immediately if you question me i will fuck you murder i will murder you on the spot

right and well you might also ask like why not just kill him why not just incapacitate him especially since he's abusing everyone's children. Right. They believed with 100% certainty that rock was God's emissary and rocks. Well, was therefore the will of God. They had seen him commit quote unquote miracles. They had said that they had given up so much. And as we've,

of all the cults we've covered, this group has given up so much of their own humanity to this person. So the idea of questioning it would bring into light and put a spotlight on the things you did and allowed to happen in your company. So now it's just getting deeper. It's getting worse and worse and worse and worse. Right. At some point, don't you just have to look at these satanic social workers and be like, let's just go check it out.

Let's just follow it. Let's see what Satan's all about. No, it was only after Maurice told authorities about all the horrors that anything was done. And as soon as it all came to light, the children were swiftly taken away from the Burnt River commune and placed into foster care. But as far as Rock was concerned, the kids were a necessary sacrifice in order to keep his narcissistic fantasy land going. He didn't particularly care.

Okay, but usually when there's 10 kids brought to foster care, there's also a few adults that are brought into a different kind of care system? No, they just took the kids. They just left everybody else. They just came and scooped out. I mean, to be honest, great. I think it's great. You can't really do anything with a quote-unquote consenting adult over the age of 18. You just can't because they can't choose to be there.

Well, yes, you can arrest them. We'll get to that in a second. That's next. But the goal is at least they scooped the kids, and apparently they just showed up in force. And that he just sat there because he was surrounded by cops and he let them he just let them take no fight he just like everybody dress them up and get them

out of here. He didn't care Rock Terrio didn't care about the children at all the children were a nuisance. Even his own kids and since he had separated the children from their parents emotionally they didn't really care either they shit. And since he had separated the children from their parents emotionally, they didn't really care either.

They just kind of watched. And then when they were gone, it's like, okay, back to work. But even though Georgia Brown was doing everything she could to make sure none of those kids would ever return to the commune, a colleague in charge of psychologically testing the children, a woman named Martine Milkovich, determined that these kids weren't disturbed at all. Oh my God.

Nothing was wrong with them and nothing bad had happened to them. She fell for Rock's charm routine so hard she might as well have been a fucking member of the cult herself. Wow. She said that exposing the children

to sex was fine because it was a part of nature and she applauded Rock's pioneering spirit and courage this is what i was going to bring up before it's this weird idea that they they were trying to overly like i'm trying to figure out how to express this they were they were trying to be overly sensitive they were trying to be overly sensitive to a group of people that basically she said this is just a racist move against francophones in

the forest. A different person said that. But yeah, you know, but it's that's the pervasive idea, right? Because they are a French-speaking rural group, you think that they're stupid, but oh, no, this is their religious freedom to do all this shit. It's very fucked up. I don't know how you get to that

point when you think about what happened. Well, you don't want to be seen as a bigot against the French. The most open-minded people on earth. Yeah, over there they even pronounce it bigot. That ain't right. That ain't right. Yeah, this other woman, Lisette LaRoche, she actually started feeding information from Georgia Brown's office

to Rock Terrio himself. Oh, my God. What a freaking snitch and a scumbag. Well, she was the one that was convinced that they were persecuted because they were Francophones in an English-speaking environment and thought that all of this was completely and totally unfair. Both those psychologists dismissed all allegations of child abuse. They demanded that the children be returned to the commune.

And as of the writing of Savage Messiah, They demanded that the children be returned to the commune. And as of the writing of Savage Messiah, seven years after the fact, Martine Milkovich proudly stood by her assessment. Because for some reason, I will never fucking fathom, there are some people on this earth like her who will always bow down to a narcissist. Yeah. Right. That's why they found it. That's how they find their groups. That's how it works. But thankfully, the judge in charge of the case

agreed with Georgia Brown, who couldn't believe the shit she was hearing from these other two women, and the children were taken away for good. However, it was also ruled

that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute Rock for all of the alleged abuses, because frankly, it all just seemed too fucked up and bizarre to believe. But the removal of the children seemed to break something in Rock Terrio. Whatever it was that was keeping his most violent tendencies somewhat at bay was now gone. And Burnt River was truly about to become a hell on earth for the anthill kids and that's where

we'll conclude our series all right so we fell in the ooze and now he's getting bigger and bigger and bigger so this was the best version are you comparing him to super shredder yes yeah yeah you know what i see you know what this whole thing shredder was probably better with kids honestly yeah yeah he raised bebop and Rocksteady fine. Yeah, they were hog people. You know what this whole episode makes me feel? How's that? Like, have yourself a merry Christmas.

You want to sing that song right now? It's just, ooh. You're just like Mariah Carey. I am just like her, same cup size. Maybe. Deeply depressed by the story. It's just, ooh, I just feel. You're just like Mariah Carey. I am just like her, same cup size. Maybe. Oh, oh. Oh, oh. Deeply depressed by the story.

Next week, it's Christmas time. It's Christmas. So we're not going to be back directly next week. We're going to have a special episode for you next week. And we're going to wrap this up the week after Christmas. Don't worry. We're going to get into, it's not even bad yet. It's not bad yet. It's not even bad yet. It's not bad yet.

It's not even bad yet. It is very bad. It is extraordinarily bad. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But as far as the violence towards, uh, the adults go,

yeah, we're, um, we haven't even touched on it. Okay. Well, we did have someone lose both of his balls. So I think we did touch on it.

And technically, if you kill balls, it's like you're killing a million people. That's a good point. Yeah. Isn't that weird to say? All right, everyone. Now I'm saying it.

Henry's the Samuel Clemens of the podcast now. Yeah, it's me. As long as I can be Mark Twain, I'll be happy. Well, thank you. Now you have it again. All right. Give it back to me. Thank you all so much for listening.

And yes, we'll be back. I hope you enjoy Christmas. Hope you have a fine vacation. Or whatever it is that you. Or you all so much for listening. And yes, we'll be back. I hope you enjoy Christmas. Hope you have a fine vacation. Or whatever it is that you... Yeah, whatever, of course. Because there's Saturnalia. There's... Saturnalia?

There's Boxing Day. What's that day? I think that's the Australian... That's like July 4th for Australia, I think. That does something, right? They got shit over there. I don't know what that is. It's not even close to Christmas, though.

We're right in the middle of Hanukkah right now. We're right in the middle of Hanukkah. I think it's technically... Is it over? It may be over. I think last night was the... Is it over? I think're right in the middle of Hanukkah right now. We're right in the middle of Hanukkah. I think technically, is it over? It may be over. I think last night was the eighth day of Hanukkah yesterday. We could do this all day. This is fun. But honestly, we wish you all the best.

And thank you so much for being with us throughout this entire, we're just going to say air quotes, interesting year. I'll kill you. I'll fucking kill you with my bare hands. But you know what? It's not always about gifts. It's just about community sometimes. So just remember that about this holiday season.

Don't money. Don't don't. No matter. It's about Walmart. It's about thought. And it's about, you know what? This is a really good time. I'm going to do my fucking the ending from Scrooge.

This is a really good time to reach out to somebody you haven't talked to in a long time. This is a really good time to do that. Like a phone call. I mean, it's not free. It does work. But a phone call helps. Very important. This is a really good time to do that. Like a phone call. I mean, it's not free. It does work. But a phone call helps. Very important. This is the time.

Maybe, you know, an old college person. Sure. Like that guy that taught you how to masturbate when you were staying out in the middle of the woods in Quebec. You could probably leave that phone call to the authorities. And it's okay that Cyberpunk 2077 was a massive disappointment in every way possible. It's fine. We'll get through it together. You're saying that to yourself. Unprompted. I usually

mention things that have nothing to do with the show. It's fine that we placed all of our hopes and dreams on this stupid fucking video game and that it was a massive disappointment. It's okay. We'll get over it. Together. It's supposed to be better on PS5. I'm playing Sim 6. Okay. Alright, everyone.

Thank you so much for listening. Hail yourselves! Hail Satan. Oh, and check out all the other shows. You gotta get this week. Of course. Abling and Stoppat. Kind of fun. Those are my shows. And then we have Wizard of the Bruiser. Side work. Great episode with Natalie Jean this week talking about her experiences working for Hot Topic

back in the day. Cool. She was back in the day. She was real spicy back then. She was real spicy and she's still real spicy. My wife also worked for Hot Topic. It's almost like they had a brand, like a type to fit into that brand. Hot women? Yeah, hell yeah.

Alright everyone, hail yourselves. Hail Satan. Hail Jean. Hail Gein. Magustalations. And this holiday season, just remember, fucking hail me and no one else. Well, that's what Rocktario would say, so you don't want that. I don't want what he did. Always say.

You're free to go. That's what I'll say. You're free to go. I like that you like me, but I also have no problem if you like other people. I actually like that. I want you to like me, and want you to like other people because then if you like me, then it's nice because then I'm a group of people that you like. This is connections. This is how connections are formed. It's a community. Interesting.

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