Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 453: Danny Rolling Part II - Bingo Bango Bongo

Episode Date: May 22, 2021

On the conclusion to our Danny Rolling series, we cover the grisly Gainesville Ripper murders, introduce Gainesville PD's scapegoat for the killings, and detail Danny's demise.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Guys yes, sir, I'm rebranding you are we are rebranding or just you just me bro Okay, okay, because I'm too dangerous to just be a comedian. Wow You're gonna be a cop also No, no, no, I just my songs too dark My lyrics are too disastrous to the fucking

Capitalism complex Wow I'm a bard more than anything. I'm a truth teller. I'm a truth spiller. Are you someone who can get on with it? Right cuz you can't see him at night all of a sudden he shows up. Oh, how lucky you got a horse here Yeah, you anywhere you want to go but also never mind You better hope that horse doesn't talk because he might say some things that might push your boundaries very cool Well, it's great to have you with us night horse welcome to the last What is it again? Nigmatic

Man, I am too mysterious to be a comedian anymore. Wow. This is high quality content here on the last podcast on the left I am Ben hanging out with Henry and of course Marcus Parks Hello, this will be a very exciting episode. Is this a gold star episode? Yes. Yeah, okay, so night horse says yay I'm upset. All right, everyone. Let's talk Danny rolling part two So when last we left Daniel rolling He just recorded a long-winded goodbye message to his family in a Sarasota motel room Apologizing for his upcoming horrific acts that he now felt were either necessary inevitable or both and I'm just gonna need you Know that that pre-apology is as good as me not doing the crime

Now the horrible acts in question would be committed in Gainesville home of the University of Florida But before Danny popped up there he first swung by another college town in Florida According to an inmate confidant who shared a cell with Danny after the Gainesville murders Danny rolling first went to Tallahassee out of a fascination for Ted Bundy Owing to the fact that it was in Tallahassee that Bundy embarked on his final berserker spree Wait, he's fanboyed over Ted Bundy to the point. He took a pilgrimage like it was freaking Elvis This actually what speaks to I mean technically we've all done this type of fanboy as true crime like the people no You don't go and tour the grave of Ed Gein and then start digging up bones all around it and be like

No, after me and Carolina took our Jim Jones tour of Indiana, I didn't start a cult He didn't poison anyone. No, he just He did a massive difference Marcus was very adamant about more merch though. Yes, that's true, of course See Danny rolling had actually planned to commit his murder spree in Tallahassee And it even gone as far as to buy a new K bar knife in town for the occasion But for reasons that remain vague Danny instead chose Gainesville Well Danny said first of all as soon as the K bar is blooded and as soon as it knows human blood It can only thirst for more human blood. I mean, it really can't it's a knife, but this story

I mean in the Pixar world, yes But according to the book the making of a serial killer I got into I got this it arrived at my house This is one of those rare out-of-print old-school I Want to say Dripping with blood type book because it is written by Danny rolling and his lover and ex-fiance Now that he's in hell Sondra London the Sondra London and if you read this book the first thing that really hit me was number one that it is the

literal same exact structure as our book Because it is Sondra talking then Danny talking and then gets you makes a surprise appearance Dom Delewis Gemini other personality Remember Gemini or E nod which is Danny backwards? Oh my god That is the entity that did these crimes and Gemini slash E nod He chose Gainesville, and I will explain this is this book is is Interesting because I think it pulls back the curtain a little bit on the fact that Danny rolling

Unlike Pee Wee Gaskins, right Pee Wee Gaskins nice final tree Oh look made the crimes of Pee Wee Gaskins even worse, right? Yeah, because Pee Wee Gaskins is a tiny guy who was looking to be a made man in prison You wanted to be a big deal You wanted to appear to be very very scary to people because he was a little guy with an inferiority complex sure Do you know is the opposite Danny rolling? I think and then we'll talk about this as we go Actually belittled his crimes Yeah, and to himself so that he would not fully acknowledge that he was such a depraved animal

Yeah, absolutely because he didn't want to because he's the apology killer, but now let's talk about this is why Gemini chose games. Yeah, why Gainesville? Why Gainesville? That's the top of the chapter chapter 8 because that's by the way Believe me. I've asked myself that question many times Danny nor E nod meant any harm to Gainesville except robbery I've been driven by the winds that rise when the sun sets and the night calls night horse The spirits take wing and pop to their lives who have an ear to hear their whisperings and so they call to me Come out Danny Come dance with me The night spirits would take my hand and I would follow where the crickets ring

It's not a tone and the wind plays through the dry leaves of the grandfather oaks through the hollow night Would you catch your breath for fried? I saw Gemini's wicked reflection smile and back up in the mirror And he said one word blood And from that point on Gemini became the domineering force in my mind and Danny was out of control big time I think I would rather hang out with Scott Stapp from Creek That is such a colossal pain in the ass way to say I wanted to go to fucking Gainesville No, you don't understand. I don't know somebody like the way horse I don't know what happens to me when night horse comes when I horse comes. I do all sorts of crazy shit

I post mated for I post mated seltzer to my house last night That's not that's not you. I agree with that. That's a night horse move And so by late August of 1990 Danny traveled to Gainesville and found a Walmart where he bought a tent But stole a screwdriver a roll of duct tape and two pairs of athletic gloves Oh my god, you you you presented as if it's the Donner party where he found a magical Walmart Everywhere intruding our safe space This is when it was more fun to go to Walmart Oh, it still is but also he was smart because he knows you still you steal the implements of murder. Yeah

Then Danny built a campsite in a wooded park near the University of Florida and began stalking his victims When Danny wasn't stalking though He was recording even more messages into his tape recorder all of which seemed oddly Disconnected from what Danny Rowling was about to do apart from this one message to his brother. He said quote Kevin you better get a dad gum dear for me with that bow. I got you now Aim for the lungs straight through the rib cage Either there or the heart the best thing to do is hit the lungs It's the best shot for a deer straight through the lungs. He don't go far

Oh, man, I thought he was gonna start every recording with no to self Remember that when normal used to do that, but then you would tell a joke but then this guy just talked about how he wanted To murder people this book has the full transcript of the tapes and it does sort of start being like Yeah, well just sitting on a bunch of leave Feeling kind of cold Right guitar songs when you're cold, but that's when I call upon my other brother not horse night horse And when it comes to how and why Danny committed these murders, it's obvious to me that they were the perfect example Of a pathetic serial killer taking out his frustrations on people who had nothing to do with why his life was an awful fucking mess

See Danny later told a fellow inmate that he considered being stabbed to death to be the worst way to die And that's exactly how he killed each and every one of his victims He took his own frustrations and a nose in his own fears and he fucking threw it out into the world Well, according to him in some of these scenes in this book are I mean obviously very difficult to get through because he does Recount in a lot of detail what he did in the rooms with his victims and he does it in a very Salacious way, but also at the same time constantly being like Gemini was the one who jumped in my hands and he was the one who chose these implements and I kept yelling Gemini, I know Gemini. Let's go to what a burger

I know and like it's the way as you watch him do this type of thing He he knew all along what he was doing and he set up these little notes to self to basically say like look There was now I never meant none none harm none. What because you put it through the lungs And if there just goes asleep Gemini didn't listen Mm-hmm, and I'd like to thank the people over at water burger HQ who sent me some fun. What a burger merch Yeah Well in addition to the method of murder the victim who went through the most fear torture and mutilation of all of

Rowling's victims during the spree Christa Hoyt looked almost exactly like omathahalco Danny's ex-wife But perhaps most telling is that despite future claims of demons and entities Danny originally used the revenge on the world excuse for why he committed the murders saying that he had to kill one person for every year He'd served in prison for the armed robberies. He himself had committed and I took that personally Michael Jordan won six rings with the same mentality if the Mamba mentality he focused the energy in the wrong direction And that's like I night horse will spend ever I will eat a trace lechace cake Oh, I didn't go to an improv school Marcus not to derail totally. Have you had trace lechace cake yet? I I have not milk that stuff's a bit rich for me

Now Danny had served eight years total in prison so while the triple murder of the Grissom family in November of 1989 got the ball rolling Danny still had five to go and he'd take those five right there in Gainesville Now Danny Rowling intended to begin his killing spree on August 23rd And even went as far as to climb up to the second floor balcony of an apartment where he stripped off all of his clothes Except for a fanny pack Containing duct tape and his k bar knife. Oh my god, Wendy. Look, it's hair man Isn't that nice? I protect the whole world from salt by absorbing it myself. Wow, man He's here again to save the day hold on to my varicose veins. I'll save you young girl

But it was a lucky thing for whoever happened to live there that a drunken University of Florida student Happened to wander by and point out that there was a naked man wearing a fanny pack on the balcony And Danny was forced to abort It's a naked guy. I always remember um the one time I used to do a sketch for Murder Fist called boardroom That's how I know exactly what your tiny ass looks like For memory, it's Calvin's butt. I have the same butt as him But I remember one time I do that sketch I come out completely nude holding my balls in the middle of the sketch and I remember coming out and all I heard was one

Woman's one woman scream for the back South Carolina, I always remember that that's the reaction you want But the next night on August 24th 1990 Danny Rowling began the murders that would earn him the Gainesville Ripper moniker And I'm gonna go ahead and say that there are at least two if not three gold stars in this episode So strap the fuck in and get ready. Yeah, man This ain't gonna be rough and we don't have Glenn Borland to hide from it. We don't have him to hide behind I just you know, maybe this is a good time to

Take a bolt a whiskey Then no joints for no joint. Oh no joint This is a fucking a neat glass of the hardest whiskey you have and then you just sit in it And then you can really feel like a private investigator You look out like wherever you go go to the highest point of your home wherever you live and sure out upon the city and think About what am I gonna do to save this by a little bricks, right? Yeah, this is a detective's poor of an episode. Okay, great Now for the Gainesville Ripper murders Danny Rowling dropped the Rambo outfit that he'd used for the murder of the Grissom family and

Instead opted for a black ski mask athletic gloves and an actual ninja's outfit. So Dressed as a ninja at 3 a.m. Danny Rowling approached the apartment of Sonia Larson and Christina Powell Both of whom Danny had been stalking for days Using a screwdriver Danny pried open the bottom of the apartment's wooden door and found Christina Powell asleep on the couch Danny stood watching her sleep for 10 minutes then went upstairs where he watched Sonia Larson sleep for an additional five Finally, he made the decision to kill Sonia first so he could take his time with Christina Thankfully, I'm the type of person that if I hear someone go like Like while I'm sleeping I wake up. Mm-hmm

So after making the decision Danny plunged the knife into Sonia's collarbone while she was still asleep and Almost immediately taped her mouth shut when she woke up confused and in pain Then he began stabbing towards her chest Slicing open her arms and hands as she tried to defend herself, but within a minute Sonia Larson was dead from blood loss Danny Rowling then walked back downstairs to where Christina Powell was still sleeping and woke her by taping her mouth shut He then overpowered her taped her hands behind her back and repeatedly raped her Danny then turned her over on her stomach and stabbed her in the back as deep as the knife would go over and over again And after Christina expired Danny cut off her breasts and wrapped them in plastic

Finally Danny cleaned whatever sexual evidence he left behind using a bottle of dish soap and posed the bodies to cause the maximum amount of shock for whoever discovered the grizzly double murder scene With Christina he posed her on the living room floor in a lewd position face up So it would immediately be seen that her breasts had been removed Mm-hmm with Sonia He posed her on her bed lying on her back with her legs bent at the knees so their feet hung down to the floor Danny then took a nap in Christina's bed

Showered and left when the Sun came up Singing a hymn to himself on his way back to the campsite Later the only noises neighbors would report that night was loud banging Which would have been unusual if not for the fact that Danny Rowling chose to listen to the George Michael song Faith loudly and repeatedly throughout the entire brutal affair and the pain of that moment came through And Fred Durst when he covered faith Dude that is one of the most horrific things I think that we have ever covered as far as a double murder goes

It's just weird to have somebody who this is kind of why Danny Rowling is interesting to me because he He combines a lot of types of serial killers in one for some reason because he think that he's like a Henry Lee Lucas Moron killer right there's that one side where he's a moron killer who is completely impulsive a lot of brain damage Can't control himself and he just goes into fits and rages and kills and then goes like what did I do like? There is that there is the fact that I believe that he was a serial killer fanboy So that he was he read up on Ted Bundy. He this is a very Ted Bundy style Murderer that at the same time it shows someone has done a lot of planning it shows that he has done a lot of

A fan of production he went to the ninja store to buy the ninja out he did all of this shit And he knew that he wanted to do it He had a plan in mind But then the manipulation of the body is like another killer again where it's somebody else where then he takes possession He goes from he obviously is some form of process killer But then he goes straight into then product killer behavior Yeah, where he is spending time with the body doing those things that to me speaks he is a much more dangerous person Then you think he is right when you meet him

And I have to say you know you mentioned he was listening to George Michael's faith Evidently he never saw the video because George Michael was wearing a t-shirt that said choose life And that video is fantastic I got a correct here you think you're thinking of wham and you're thinking to wake me up before you go go Holy shit, the premise of the joke stands George Michael did wear a shirt that said choose life and he is a fan so it is adjacent, but thank you for the correction. I Also would like to commend all of us on not choosing the easy rolling rolling rolling limp biscuit joke and instead going for a Limp biscuit faith joke. Wow professionals, buddy

We've learned we've grown. Well, I Henry I think Speaking to to what you were talking about. I think really you hit it in the beginning with the impulse control And I think a lack of impulse control is what defines Danny rolling and that's what and that's why he is both a product and a Process killer because everything is done on impulse What he wants to do when he wants to do it and we'll definitely go into that later on For with what happens after the murders and how Danny rolling acts before the murders Like it's all it all comes down to the fact that this man has probably the least amount of impulse control that I've ever heard of and Richard Chase had more impulse control than Danny. Oh, he wouldn't go in the locked houses

Yeah, he had some rules. So Dan Danny rolling is playing positionless basketball. It's the center and the point guard onto the Coompose taking the ball up the court. What's happening? He's seven feet tall I was watching this interview with Danny rolling. We're talking to reporter. I forgot whether he let him be in the room with this woman But it's the ma'am How did ma'am like him like doing giving everybody like I think he's being real cordial like she's like I heard that the food here is they don't want the secret out that the food here is not that bad And he's just like well, you know, it's that comparable to Mickey days, you know And like they were joking and shit. I was like that man is a shape shifter

Like that's a type of killer He is where he's had come to this because he's got those sad eyes. Yeah, it really comes down to it He's got those like puppy dog like I'm sorry like face that Completely horrible fucking unbridled maniac horrifying now as far as quote-unquote Inspiration for these murders went Danny claimed to have kicked off the spree after watching a movie that had just been released in the theaters That eventually became a favorite among serial killers everywhere including Jeffrey Dahmer That movie was the George C. Scott vehicle the Exorcist 3

Yeah, arguably the most fun of all the Exorcist movies partly because it also featured New York Nick's center Patrick Ewing as the angel of death in his one and only acting role in which he doesn't play Patrick Ewing No, I know that but he well he played a version of Patrick Ewing because in Space Jam, they won Exorcist 3 if you haven't seen it highly recommended not just for serial killers, okay No, it is a it is a really fun scary movie It is now the central plot to the Exorcist 3 is that the spirit of an executed serial murderer Nicknamed the Gemini killer and played by Brad Dorff in one of his best roles to great scene Yeah, this serial killer is possessing people with the aid of the demon from the first exorcist the master and is using these possessed

People to commit more murders now the Exorcist 3 is fucking great It's one of our favorites is one of my wife's favorite movies ever But when Danny Rowling saw this movie in the theaters, he identified with the Gemini killer and since Danny's sign was Gemini He figured that the Exorcist 3 was a sign that the killing should begin Oh my god, or it's just him technically ripping off a movie He's just a thief. He's a plagiarist and that's the the worst crime of all other than all the other crimes Yeah, I mean this is obviously a stupid fucking coincidence because Danny had gone to Gainesville specifically to kill But what's interesting is that Gemini is indeed the most common serial killer sign

Shared by Samuel Little, Jeffrey Dahmer, Arthur Shawcross, Jennifer Bianchi, Peter Curtin, David Berkowitz, and Richard Chase amongst many many others and I believe Yesterday was the beginning of Gemini season. It is now we're now in the Gemini season and we're not trying to offend any Gemini Don't do that. Don't you fucking kill us. Yeah, we're a good man. We're a good man. We have families. Leave us alone, Gemini If you offend a cancer, then they just sit there and cry and wonder what they did wrong. Yeah, it's cool In that way. Gemini's are mad. Gemini's they fucking kill you. They kill you with all naked wings. The Scorpios are the ones that you really got to watch out for. They're full of Passione So all of the Gemini stuff really came to a head when he began his relationship with Sondra London

Because he had been saying all this kind of shit in Sondra London who is a professional serial killer groupie. She went by her name She went by the nickname of the media queen for a while, which was also the name of her production company That was Howard Stern's name also at one point. Yes. He uh, she First dated a serial killer before a serial killer was a serial killer. She dated a man named Gerard Schaefer When she was a teenager he was an older guy who arrived at her house like he kept like he became fascinated with her and She was like immediately the first big titty goth girlfriend to exist

It was like Sondra London is that where like Gerard Schaefer and her used to go to graveyards and he used to tell her He's like I think about hanging women all the time and like showed him showed all of his drawings of women hanging from trees And now he's gonna stab him and shit and she did her response was you are the cutest boy I've ever seen Dated him on and off for years And Sondra London like she has that like there's a this great clip She was in this Errol Morris documentary this great clip Which is like when I was a little girl, I imagined that the boogeyman came into my room on a pale horse A man I rode away with him him in his black hat

Black shirt black pants black socks fucking unhinged black shoes That's scary man. Shoe laces white skin He's on a black horse and he takes me he takes me away from here She's the only way to really describe it is that her eyes are like bay windows with like flames behind them She's exactly when you say like ultimate zero killer groupie Here's exactly what you think that she looks like but she began a relationship where she broke up with Gerard Schaefer While he was in jail to be with Danny rolling Wow and Danny rolling for him this sort of symbiotic thing together

And then he gave her quote-unquote the real story which was that Gemini came in and took over his life And then unfortunately The making of serial killer begins with an introduction by Colin Wilson of Colin Wilson's the occult Which I use all the time and he tries to make the case that Gemini was real and was a demon and he has a hold She tries to break down the the demonology of it in the very beginning That's a swing and a miss Colin Wilson's usually pretty good, but that is a swinging and swinging to miss my friends He is obvious. He's a true believer. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like I it is in character, but it's definitely was a surprise Interesting serial killer groupies can either look like Sandra London or Paula Dean. There's only two types

They're both very similar isn't that odd and here is a selection from the making of a serial killer to describes what it was like When Gemini took hold, I Was resting on my iron bunk when this thing that appeared like a gargoyle Pounce on my chest pinning me to the mattress. It had both claws pressing against my shoulders It released its grip on one of my shoulders and clawed open my mouth snaking a footlong slime of tongue Down my throat This is Jared Fogle talking about his prison experience

Okay, and I began to struggle I managed to push the thing far enough away from my face to get that horrible tongue out of my wind pipe It's sneered and spat. How does it feel to kiss a snail? Scream and it just disappeared and then Colin Wilson tries to say that that is the that's the demonic entity coming on and that Oftentimes demonic entities throw you down into your windpipe That's just stolen never reminds me of the scene from The Matrix or when Tom Hardy was possessed by Venom in that horrible film This man is not making anything. This is not creative. He's making it up stealing it. Oh, I'm sure that he saw a movie scene Very similar to that at some point

Now unlike most serial killers who have a cool down period of weeks months or even years between murders Especially when they first began Danny Rowling having had almost no impulse control Had a cooling-off period of less than 24 hours Before the first crime scene was even properly worked Danny created the second and this second crime scene is quite possibly the most horrifying crime scene that I've ever Read about so I'd say if you don't smoke go get a pack You know like really sit down with it. Maybe this is a good time to play a game of solitaire

Oh Drink five or six beers Then sit and listen. Okay, unless you're sitting in a car actively driving. Don't do any of that Except get a pack of cigarettes. It's fun to smoke or it's fun to ride around in a car and smoke. It's very dangerous I do miss it. It's very dangerous So on Saturday August 25th Danny Rowling used his stolen screwdriver to pop open the latch on the sliding glass backdoor on the empty apartment of a college student named Krista Hoyt and hid behind a bookshelf until Krista got home when she arrived at about

10 p.m. Danny leapt out and rained down his fists until Krista was knocked off balance Then he duct taped her mouth and her arms before raping her for an hour Using his k-bar knife to stab her whenever he felt like it like almost all the others Danny delivered the killing blow by turning her over on her stomach and Plunging the knife into her back, but once she was dead He rolled her back over and buried the knife in her belly then sliced upward Then he cut off her nipples and placed them on top of the exposed intestines before cutting off her breasts Wrapping them in a towel and placing them next to the bed so he could take them away later

but the most horrific violation was when Danny Rowling Decapitated the corpse using his razor-sharp k-bar knife with a clean almost surgical cut With the head removed Danny said about creating a crime scene so horrendous. It doesn't even seem real First Danny positioned the headless body on the edge of the bed midway between the foot and the headboard Then spread the legs wide apart while the arms drooped to the side and the intestines spilled out from a wound That went from belly to breastbone Then Danny took the head and set it on the same bookcase

He'd used to conceal himself propped up by a wooden jewelry box and Positioned in such a way that it looked as if the head was staring in horror at its own body Oh my gosh Finally Danny set up a mirror so it was guaranteed that the first thing whoever discovered the crime scene saw when they opened the door Was the decapitated head of a co-ed facing her own mutilated corpse. Oh Danny then left forgetting to take along the breasts and leaving behind the most gruesome crime scene in Florida history

Far surpassing Ted Bundy's night of terror at the Kyle mega house and his rebuttal In the book the only thing that he says about it. He says like I didn't adjust those mirrors That's the problem. That's that's what he says about it. Yeah, that's where they got that wrong. Oh, I see But everything else was fairly accurate. Yes. Oh my god. That is so freaking brutal. It's very horrible There's no embellishment on that. No, no But I guess except for the fucking mirrors. I don't know. I'm not gonna believe him There's a couple of things that are weird about this because not weird at all like he did all of this But he there's one thing that he says in the book that he said that he did not originally

Decapitate her that he had left and came back Saying that he thought he'd left his wallet and that he came back and then reentered into the crime scene But to me with that again, that's Ted Bundy. Yeah, no, it's the same shit It's the he is modeling himself after Ted Bundy. He's consciously doing it That would put him sort of in BTK like category Where he is he believes himself to be like a serial killer expert And if he does see himself as the sequel to Ted Bundy as we learned from the movie as we learned from the movie scream You got to have more blood in the sequel and maybe that's why he went I guess above and beyond in this nasty way

You know, it's interesting is that the Danny rolling story was actually the inspiration for the scream screenplay Oh, is that right? The guy who wrote the screenplay for scream started writing it after seeing the But see after seeing the news reports from the Gainesville Ripper murders Wow And then when the reports of the state of the bodies came out they at first the no one believed it no one wanted to talk about because Obviously the idea of you like learning that somebody that you know somebody that you love has had this done to them Oh, my goodness, I can't for a while because the cops didn't want to tell the families that this happened to the to their to their

Well, did they not want to tell them because they didn't want to hurt the family? Emotionally or was it because they wanted to keep some evidence secret both they could You so that Danny would only know that the truth or whatever both they tried to do both But then what they had to do was release they they took pictures of it Oh, and they only like like they had to be revealed in secret where they had to go and view the pictures of the crime scenes In private so the parents had to go if they wanted to oh my god It was for the jurors. It was yeah, this was during the trial Do you get free health care after you're a juror on this?

Do you get free therapy for life because I think you should get one free card for therapy for life? Yes? I think so. And McDonald's breakfast and we'd like license, you know, here's weed. There's weed Um, here you go. I'm here you go on a roller coaster, and I'm sorry you're fucked Oh god, I can't imagine being the juror on this case Now one psychologist speculated that the reason why Danny positioned the bodies was because Danny knew that a cop would most likely discover the scene and Danny wanted to spite all police officers Yes, and therefore spite his abusive cop father And sure enough it was indeed a cop who found Christa Hoyt

She worked part-time at the Alachua County Sheriff's Office So when she didn't show up for work on Monday, two deputies went on a welfare check It was then that Gainesville discovered that they officially had a serial killer in their midst. We got one Now Panic almost immediately hit the University of Florida campus parents took their children out of school never to return Campus radio stations started a campaign to get everyone to just fucking go home and parents who couldn't get a hold of their kids Tied up phone lines at the police station trying to get cops to check on each and every student And of course there were plenty of theories as to who the killer could be One prevalent rumor was that the Gainesville Ripper was a cop which naturally made canvassing for information that much more difficult

Others thought that the Gainesville Ripper was most likely someone who blended in a new neighbor or a new student because this had all Occurred right at the beginning of the school year. A lot of strangers in Gainesville. Oh, yeah It goes from like I remember that one documentary said it's like it goes from something like The town doubles in size. Yeah in the college kids show up Yeah, the same thing like with Lubbock where I went to college like it's during the summer It's fucking dead and then all of a sudden the whole fucking town comes alive, right? Perhaps the most erroneous and stupid rumor though was that the killer was a pizza delivery man How fucking dare they?

Well, do we know it's not true? Yes, we know it's not true. We know exactly who the fucking killer is Oh, I see and Ben this damn near put every piece of delivery joint in Gainesville out of business And that's not even counting all the lost trips to the drivers Well, all I know is honestly when it comes down to it Wouldn't you want to give extra tips if you think the guy's gonna kill you in your roommate? Well, you could maybe use it for leverage. I worked at Jimmy John's big pizza was our competition. So hey, whatever Jimmy John's driver didn't do it. Oh, hey, man, and I was a fucking Papa John's delivery driver in college in a college town

So I fucking feel these guys pain delivery people are some of the purest Fucking first responders the real respect that I mean yet nurses Delivery people on the front lines every day during this how many Peppuccinos did you steal Marcus? Oh, I didn't like Peppuccinos. I didn't have to steal Peppuccinos because the great thing about fucking Papa John's is that at the end Of the day, everybody goes home with a fucking free pizza at least in my store. It'd be nice if they paid you though But really those rumors circulated After Danny rolling into this reign of terror because remember Christa Hoyt came the night Directly after the first double murder. Yes, and the second double murder came the very next night after Christa Hoyt

This all happened over the course of one fucking weekend. Oh my god This is a freaking horror movie. Well the night after the Christa Hoyt murder Danny rolling peeped into the windows of a unit at the Gatorwood Apartments and set his sights on student Tracy Paul's snarped Don't know no snarping. No snarping is that snarping is too cute. It sounds like snarping It sounds it sounds like the fucking this is someone up by someone else tweeted out at me visual assault Yeah, visual assault visually assaulted. Yes. I like that. Good Now Tracy didn't live alone. In fact, she had a roommate named

Manuel Tabuata and on the night that Danny rolling came calling Tabuata had just got home from a shift at Bennegan's and everyone in the house was asleep by 3 a.m Is it weird that I know that Gainesville Bennegan's? I mean, yeah, that's strange There is a big there was a big old Bennegan's in Gainesville And I remember there was a big old Bennegan's in Tallahassee and that got shut down because the health violations got to the point Which is like weird because nothing was shut down in Tallahassee for health violations because everything was run by 18 year olds They just ran every business in the college town, but Bennegan's I don't know what their crimes were I knew not to eat there ever. All right

So once all the lights were out Danny jimmied the pin out of the sliding glass door with his screwdriver and entered the living room Now like most home invader serial killers Danny opted to attack the male first to remove the most obvious threat And Manuel Tabuata was indeed a threat physically being a six-foot-three former football player so Danny slipped into Manuel's bedroom and plunged a knife into his chest so hard that it ripped through his solar plexus, but Manuel had an extraordinary will to live and he fought back even with a gaping chest wound Danny swung the knife wildly stabbing and cutting Manuel again and again Until Manuel managed to restrain Danny with a bear hug But the damage had been done and with each second of blood loss Manuel lost strength

After about a minute Danny was able to pull away enough to stab Manuel in the chest He pulled upward and hard opening Manuel's chest and killing him But it had still taken 31 stab wounds to take Manuel down Yeah, because he would need to attack a man with a surprise attack with a surprise attack because he was not Rambo And he barely made it in the right services Actually, he didn't make it in the armed services. He was given a dishonorable discharge and he was the Air Force at that Mm-hmm And that was when Tracy Paul's entered the room when she saw Manuel

She screamed and ran away to the bathroom where she locked herself inside But Danny kicked down the door and bound her with tape like he had almost all the rest He then raped her stabbed her and dragged her out to the hallway to pose her But when he realized she was still alive He wiped the blood off her face and raped her again until she died from her wounds Now for some reason this seemed to satisfy whatever Compulsions Danny had to defile the bodies of the people he killed so instead of posing them He haphazardly cleaned up the crime scene and walked out the way he'd come in this one. He said gem and I left him

Halfway through I see He then jumped in the pool of a nearby apartment complex to wash off the blood Then buried his knife and his gloves next to an old chicken coop thereby ending his weekend of terror But just because Danny Rowling stopped murdering didn't mean that he stopped committing crimes After taking a nap at his campsite following his last double murder Danny Rowling woke up and robbed a bank at gunpoint on Monday morning. She's yeah He's an inch. He's an adrenaline junkie total lack of impulse control like we've been saying and again This is his evidence of like you say

Danny could never have done this only E nod could have done these crimes. Ah I'm a bank robber Oh, I see that's it, huh? Honestly, first of all, I'm a singer second of all. I'm a lover third of all I'm a bank robber fourth of all. I am a loyal customer of the US Postal Service Reportedly while the tellers were stuffing bags of cash during that bank robbery Danny yelled quote There better not be any die packs in here and sure enough 50 yards from the bank a witness saw a pink die pack Explode in Danny's face. I tried opening the bag Wow scootin Mondays, huh?

Soon after Danny made fast friends with another drifter type named Tony Dansey whoa That's the cool version of Tony Danza. I don't think that's the cool. I think Tony Danza is the cool version of Tony Danza And Danny quickly began bragging about the bank He just robbed but when the cops pulled up on the two men Danny ran and Tony Danzee very Quickly led the cops to the pink died money at Danny's campsite. It's right over here. I'm sorry It's close I could see it happening. I could see that I could see that Tony Danze sounding like that But even though the campsite held the ski mask Danny wore during the crimes the screwdriver Danny had used to gain access to all three crime scenes and the tapes Danny recorded

Which hinted towards a big upcoming crime spree? No one in the Gainesville police department thought to make the connection What all of it just all this shit just went into a bag in the evidence closet. That's how it is because Not good at it Our Gainesville police. Yeah, they'd be very good at solving murder. No, they're very good at gaining weight. Yeah It's a Gainesville police department. They're very good at like breaking up like beer bus. Yeah, but they Fuck up this murder investigation at every turn until some essentially someone else solves it for them God forbid you light up a joint

I'm with you and of course a beer bust fantastic term for Angela Merkel Angela Merkel will be there. Give me someone what she's having. Wow leadership leadership and she's very smart. She's a scientist Now, of course the media immediately began a frenzy after five grotesque murders occurred in a college town over a single weekend Yeah, and it and this being 1990 the murders very quickly got rolled into the satanic panic Just fucking eat me with this a panic panic bullshit. Whoa, bro. Eat me. Eat me easy. This is still a PG-13 show My shorts. Whoa! Whoa! Well conveniently the more hysterical news outlets blamed the Exorcist 3 Oh my god. It wasn't even the most successful of the fucking trilogy. No, it really wasn't and while Exorcist 3 was tangentially related the media was entirely unaware that the killer was a committed Christian who had walked away from one of his double murders singing

Nearer my god to thee also. Why didn't they blame George Michael? You know you make a hit and you don't realize you don't know what it's Going to be used for that's why we premise we preface every song that we make with don't kill to this song and now here It's important That's how you got your cover yourself legally legally As far as the students went most refused to sleep alone and some even crowded in groups of 10 to 20 students Each one taking turns staying awake. Wow. There was no more partying No one went out to the bars and parents pressured the school to cancel class in other words Gainesville simply stopped and police were under enormous pressure to find a suspect very similar to the summer of Sam like that whole thing with the idea of like

Change the culture of the whole city. Yeah But perhaps a more pressing reason besides commerce was the fact that the rapid pace in which the murders occurred Suggested that another murder could happen at any time So after canvassing the areas around the three crime scenes cops found a young man named Edward Humphrey Who had just been kicked out of the complex across the street from the Gator Woods apartments a week earlier for quote-unquote? Acting crazy Edward Humphrey to me He reminds me a great deal of Eddie meatloaf's character from the Rocky horror picture show where he's a Unfortunate-looking man that happened to be in the right place wrong time. Oh, yeah

Yeah, Edd Humphrey was an unfortunate human being who tragically looked like a stereotypical fictional serial killer from the movies He was six foot tall 200 pounds and had actual Joker type scars all over his face Owing to a car accident which had sent Edd flying through a windshield and he had like crazy eyes He'd like exactly what you think like big googly eyes that are like off-center of each other in every picture It looks like he's about to attack you or he's very scared, you know Apparently Edward Humphrey had been trying to make friends right before the murders by simply walking to the apartments of strangers And if they just shoot him out and locked him out of the apartment

He'd sit there and stare through their windows until they close the curtains I Mean that's how most people I met and Tallahassee arrived into my friend group It's like all you guys all know Reggie and they're like no like Reggie in school with you It's like no, I thought any of my classes any of your classes. No, it's been like how'd we know that 40 year old man? You guys are cool guys cool. Yeah, he was probably gonna handle a whiskey and then every once in a while Like he'd say something weird to the girls and you have to go hey Reggie Getting an edgy, you know like oh, it's edgy Reggie and then edgy

You know and then he always just ends up dead. Yeah, of course you have a lot of explaining to do So it seems like this guy just he lacked nuance on how to meet people Well, he also told a security guard at the Gator Woods complex that God had told him to kill the guard and neighbors complained that Edd Had loud fights with himself in his apartment nowadays. You could just say he's a streamer. Yeah Now there was a very good reason for Edd's behavior He was afflicted with bipolar disorder type one from the sound of it and he'd gone off his meds Just prior to the Gainesville Ripper murders. What do you think? Marcus if you went off your meds, what would the argument with yourself be about?

Well, first of all, I'm bipolar to not bipolar one. I'm not really the delusions of grandeur I'm more like a bipolar to it's more like I think we've been used to this before it's it's depression premium Okay, it's the bad guy returns No, the argue the last argument that I had with myself when I was in a bipolar state when I was in a manic state Was whether or not strangers could read my mind when I was on the street And was it really safer on the train because I was in a big metal tube? I don't know it was hard to tell but I mean that was the hypothesis. It's hard when you're your own devil's advocate It is point counterpoint

Well, it's such Ed Humphrey was having delusions of grandeur right around the time that Danny Rowling came to town And this being around the time of Operation Desert Storm Ed was telling people that he was gonna join the Army Rangers Specifically so he could go to Kuwait and commit consequence free murder Technically if you told that to a recruiter He would have went to right to the top of the list right to the top absolutely front lines Ed was also pretty free with telling people that Satan was after him and he wore special gardening gloves and a special Sash to repel the Dark Lord. Oh, okay. Well, that should work

Yeah, that's what night horse told me that I should do in order to avoid the IRS We're a special sash. Don't tax me man. Then about Just like that. Don't tax me, bro. Don't tax me, bro. Don't tax me Then about a month before the murders Ed was seen in a surf shop Threatening to cut the hearts out of everyone in the store. Whoa, dude. That's not mahalo, bro Also, is there a lot of surfing happening in Gainesville? It's four hours to the beach. Yeah, it's the worst part of the type of Florida to be in because there's no access to any Form of water hear me out Becky surf shop Gainesville

Another time a police officer found Ed outside of an Air Force base Running around in circles while chewing on a beer can And when the officer finally told him to stop Ed told him that he was gonna join the military So he could cut people up and gut them like deers And he's a funny guy. He's just having a nice time. What do you mean chewing on a beer can chew it on a beer can? Yeah Yeah, Ed also used to bother a medical student working a day job at Krispy Kreme during her shift To ask if she ever took body parts or skin home from her anatomy class to quote-unquote

Mess around with it. There's a lot of people that are gonna have a hard time flirting after the pandemic And it's just kind of what it sounds like if you're already crazy You're just trying to think of something to say and you just got done chewing on a fucking Beer can and yelling at the police officers and you know like Let me ask you a question about you. Do you ever take skin home to play around with it? I'm trying to I'm trying to know about you Oh my god, you say that sentence now. You're gonna find yourself a wife. Be very careful. They're good because people like that stuff They do Marcus you've taken skin home. You've taken the whole thing home before and it's very dangerous I've never been a recipient of skin. I've taken a lot of human bones home, but I've never been a recipient of skin

I apologize for what was most damning for Ed was that while Danny Rowling was in the midst of his murderous rampage Ed was having a particularly public bipolar break in Gainesville that attracted all the wrong kinds of attention On the night that Danny killed Sonia Larson and Christina Powell Ed was walking around Gainesville huffing gas At one point he wasn't really he was zigzagging around Gainesville He was doing his own serpentine race Wow at one point Ed walked into a Roy Rogers where Ed paid for a single biscuit with 35 cents in a baseball cap I had one point he walked into a Roy Rogers, which really takes me back because a Roy Rogers This whole thing is not just about restaurants you went to

Why? This is Roy Rogers is what about Roy Rogers? If you're hungry after huffing a bunch of gas I don't think you are hungry after huffing a bunch of gas Well the Roy Rogers accepted the barter pretty much just to get rid of him But Ed returned an hour later wearing a different baseball cap with four more baseball caps stuffed in his pockets Because he figured he figured out some sort of fucking barter system loophole I Mean it worked the first time what do you want from this guy then you know he puts one he's like Can I have a hamburger, please?

It's like one baseball cap in here. Just take this for yourself You keep that just been in all one place, huh? Oh my god, maybe for a fanny pack. He'd get some french fries Well once they got rid of him again Ed went to a bar called the central city lounge But was denied entry because he didn't have any ID and after being turned away Ed pointed at the bouncer and the manager and reportedly said quote You're all dead Bingo bingo bongo. You're all dead. My people are gonna come back and I'm gonna get you I'm the middleman for some drug dealer. I could cut your fucking throat. You wouldn't even know it I can't believe he said bingo bongo bingo like that because that's how you summon an elderly woman

Wow No, bingo bingo bongo. I don't want to leave the conga bingo bingo bongo. I don't want to leave the conga It's an old song. Hello. It's an old song, huh? Yeah, it's an old song. No dogs in space. No kidding I ran into a few fans of yours by the way the other night. Oh really wouldn't stop talking about how much they loved the show No, truly they do love no dogs in space. Everyone check it out. Yes. They don't think they loved all the punk and they love the beast boys Yeah, thank you very yeah that the beast boys actually we just released this week release beastie boys part five This is when we get to talk about paul's boutique. Oh, very nice best beastie boy album there is Ed well back to ed bed and then turn to some students across the street and shouted quote

I'm on recon. Don't you mess with me? Don't look at me. I could kill you guys You a shit. Well ed recon would imply that you're gonna be quiet And you are very loud most of all on recon. Don't scream. I am on recon. It's like I'm an undercover cop You understand how that would be a problem. I want all of you to know I am employed As a reconnaissance officer And you are all the subjects of my recon. You want to keep that more quiet next time After that ed went to the crispy cream where he bothered the medical student by extensively and immediately talking about ted bundy upon his arrival

And ended the conversation by saying he'd like to stalk women with knives. I said I'd like to I'm not saying I'm doing it, but this is technically what I did What yeah, yeah, you did do this, but except you did this at the Actual location where ted bundy murdered all of the sorority girls. Oh, no, you were at a party You weren't stalking people at crispy cream and benign. Well, I didn't view that rogers That wasn't stalking. That was me being a great customer. Exactly Now ed stayed quiet for the rest of the weekend But on monday he called his grandmother screaming that he'd lost his car and because of this ed would have to drop out of school

Now the grandmother called the police to do a welfare check on ed But once they arrived he told them that he didn't care about the car anymore because he decided he was going to panama to fight Manuel noriega sweet. Oh, of course But then ed humphrey made a grave mistake by mentioning the gainsville ripper murders And even though the murders were all anyone in town was talking about cops still took it as a sign that ad humphrey might have something to do with it They then began investigating ed and found out about all the crazy violent talk ed had been spreading around town

Including another incident in which ed had talked about wanting to cut a nipple off a girl That wasn't about murder. That was about my collections. That is very scary ed Now all this hearsay wasn't enough to arrest ed But on august 30th a few days after the last murder ed had a complete break and attacked his grandmother He was arrested for aggravated battery and thereafter became the number one suspect in the gainsville ripper murders When cops got him in the box, they questioned him for 24 hours straight without an attorney present When he was obviously in a fucking manic state and since he was in a manic state ed was highly suggestible And eager to talk about all manner of mutilations knifings and dismemberments

Pretty soon the media caught on and when they publicly named ed humphrey as the gainsville ripper Police did absolutely nothing to correct the claim and ed all of a sudden he was the gainsville ripper Just fucking poor guy going through fucking bipolar episode. He was and the cops are like, yeah Yeah, no, he's definitely our guy and there's no evidence whatsoever So if you're donnie rollin at this point, you must be happier than a pig in a bunch of crap This is the greatest cover ever weirdly. I don't think he was even paying attention to the news No, they didn't roll in. He didn't read his own press not later No, he was truly was deeply deeply impulsive and I don't think he was following the news because he just started robbing banks immediately

Marcus, I have a question about this type of uh bipolar freak out. Sure I'm not I'm not I'm not an expert by any means, but I can give my expert my personal experience But uh when people like Marcus, do I look like a do I look like a teapot to you right now? No, no, no, he's not having a fit Um when people Have these breakdowns like is it like in how in Tourette's how people say like one thing about Tourette's is that sometimes the ticks From what you did say things that are specifically like inappropriate for the situation or like is it the fixations on stuff It's like really uncomfortable and like fucked up dark stuff

Is it just about that where you're following sort of like an intrusive thought where you're saying these kind of scary things in your own mind to people or Like why would he go so dark if you if he wasn't maybe an inherently violent person? I just wonder I do it's more of a question. Well, I mean everybody follows uh, whatever is you know Everybody follows whatever their delusion is like our for example our friend, uh, John F. O'Donnell Who's talked many many times uh in stand-up sets and podcasts about his bipolar break Like he thought that he was jesus and he went to go live on a fucking abandoned Gambling boat in the east river. Sure, you know like so it's like they're that was his storyline. That was his storyline. Yes

and Ed Humphrey's storyline seemed nowhere near as Um poignant like it was it didn't really have as much of a point like he was just sort of going off In all directions, but it does seem like I mean he did have a little bit of violence in him He I mean at one point during his break. He did attack his grandmother. He did beat up his own fucking grandmother Yeah, so really it's just it's kind of following whatever your thing is Uh at the time, you know, whether it be paranoia, whether it be delusions of grandeur this or that or whatnot But for some reason Ed Humphrey's uh, the line was violence. Definitely. He was talking constantly about violence

Yeah, it's like when night horse comes to me. I always want to go to the whatever I could find the best local dives These drive-ins that you go to and I bet it's kind of my favorite type of thing rib stick in restaurants Yeah, you know what I get in a certain little narrow. You can almost put that on a flip-flop. Yeah Yeah, yeah when when I was in a bipolar break. Um, it was usually Uh paranoia like it was just straight up. It was straight up paranoia other people are out to get me and so on and so forth But it was never super uh specific because I wasn't bipolar one and bipolar two Maybe it was a surveillance state, bro

Well, we could talk about that for hours No, no, it was more supernatural weird thing. I don't want to get too far into it, but I've been medicated for 15 years and I'm good Well, meanwhile the FBI was telling Gainesville police that Ed Humphrey probably wasn't their guy So the FBI had gotten pretty goddamn good at behavioral analysis by 1990 and their profile of the Gainesville Ripper Sounded nothing like Ed Humphrey and everything like Danny Rowling They said that the killer would be between 25 and 35 from a poor background abused physically sexually and or psychologically during his formative years would perceive himself to be a failure Would need to feel special and would want to be a celebrity

Danny rolling to a fucking tee the problem is that these cops can listen to these nerds from Virginia the FBI I mean, it's a pretty big problem. No, they they're like we got our guy because he's got scars on his face Yeah, that's a good because they think they they are operating off of a pop culture view of a serial killer They're operating off. Oh, that's what a serial kill looks like that's what a serial killer acts like this guy has to be a serial killer And on the other and the other thing too is that the murders had stopped So after Ed Humphrey was already in jail no more murders. So they figured like oh that this definitely is the guy then Okay, and the only other suspect they had was some jerk off with quote-unquote satanic type tattoos named Stephen Bates

Who had used a butcher knife during an armed robbery of a woman's home and when they searched that guy's house? They found Satanic writings whatever the fuck that means medical tape bloodied clothing Drawings of women imposes similar to the victims porn knives and a book on jack the ripper. They just found your office That's a fucking average home of its last podcast on the left fan. I'd say Yeah, look around you listen to the whole look around the room that you're fucking sitting in right now. I know how many of these things have you seen No one who has covered in blood clothes No one should have clothes covered in blood just randomly laying around their house most people don't we think it's blood and it turns out

It's raspberry jam because you had a breakfast explosion That's why I do remember because lexie holden's wife was beautiful and wonderful But I forget she does she's christian, you know, I mean and she walked into the studio and had to cross herself when she walked in I was just like, oh, yeah, I forget all this imagery to some people's incredibly frightening. Oh, yeah No, no, I once had a cleaning lady at my house leave two hours early After trying to clean my office and failing. I explained to my tour handyman that the devil is good Very nice very fun day for the handyman But even though Steven actually seemed to be a better suspect than ed

Police stuck with the guy who fit their idea of a serial killer and ed was held on one million dollars bail for assaulting his grandmother Oh Now police thought that since the murders had stopped it meant that ed humphrey was their guy Even though they didn't have a single bit of evidence outside of the fact that ed was weird off his meds and kind of annoying Oh, no, I'm gonna get arrested for murder. Absolutely judge Yeah, there is no evidence in the case, but look how ugly this motherfucker is I just I used to be fat now. I'm weird fat skinny. I might I got polish knees But really danny rolling could have resumed killing at any time

On the same day that ed humphrey was arrested rolling broken to an apartment eight cookies and quaker oatmeal watched a porno tape And stole a 1978 buick regal. He was for certain just about to kill again There is no way he wasn't going to kill again. Yeah. No, no, no He just did the only reason why he didn't kill is because he didn't feel like it yet From there danny left gainsville for tampa where he drank heavily and smoked a whole bunch of crack Hey, you know Breakfast of champions Yeah, if you're gonna do it do it in tampa

He then continued burglaries and robberies and danny was almost killed by police during an escape from a crime scene in which danny's Car was hit by 17 bullets Jesus fucking christ And danny kept having weird encounters with normal people on september 4th He approached an artist and offered her 100 dollars to do his portrait She was actually charmed enough to invite him back to her place where they ate chinese food and watched good morning vietnam on VHS without incident. No kidding weird encounters with normal people. That's actually the name of our television show Hey, man, you honestly would be great

But it is weird because you see throughout all of the making of a serial killer You have all these stories where he really thought of himself as very charming and I don't fully see it I don't know women used to go with home with him all time Which is why he tried to maintain that he was innocent for Fricking years because he's kept being like, you know, like it says here. It's just like The appendices of the making of a serial killer. It has stuff like it says No sodomy No superstar

No knife play. I enjoy sex This is what it says on here. All right. Not gay is a whole chapter. Not gay is a whole chapter. Okay From there, Danny burglarized a house in Tampa and robbed a win Dixie and Ocala But Danny's luck was about to run out. He left the win Dixie with 4,700 dollars This was unfortunately for Danny a training day for the Ocala police department. Ocala Yeah, it has to sound bad. It's Florida. That's how you know what the Florida town is that has to sound like shit Therefore when win Dixie employees called 911 to report the robbery There were twice as many cops on the streets as usual

Oh, so by the time Danny got into the driver's seat of the Ford Mustang He just stolen cops were already pulling into the supermarket parking lot man. He did not waste a fucking day He's an adrenaline fucking monster and you know one one sergeant looked over to trainee was like not every day is this fun We get to shoot our guns. We're going to chase. Yeah, it was a high speed chase with a 1983 Ford Mustang That's a fast fucking car What a hell of a day to train Danny then abandoned the Mustang After wrecking it shirtless for some reason he'd taken his shirt off at one point Well, you're gonna want to do that. You don't want to have any identifiable. Yeah, it's extra weight

You yeah, you want to shut that shirt? And he ran into a business called dial America marketing hoping to lose the cops But when Danny ran up the back door into the rear parking lot the cops were waiting He dodged the first one But the second one took him down and when he was brought back to the win Dixie for identification He said quote here. It's me And i'm sorry Oh my god, i'm gonna kill this man, but he also was trying to run and hide and he ran into a place that has dozens of phones

I don't think he wasn't thinking was he I don't think he was thinking the shirtless run from the cops through a telemarketing office Officially makes him from florida He's a citizen now. Yeah, he's officially a resident Meanwhile cops back in Gainesville were being forced to accept that Ed Humphrey was not the ripper See, Danny Rowling hadn't been as careful as he thought he'd been cleaning up the murder scenes and he'd left behind a healthy amount of DNA So when the crime scene dna didn't match to Ed Humphrey cops were forced to rule him out But seemingly out of spite the judge in his assault case still gave Ed Humphrey the maximum sentence of 22 months In the florida mental hospital in Chattahoochee. Yeah, they just decided he needed to be in a concrete square

I mean if he was in a hospital, hopefully he got some treatment. I'm not sure how good the hospital was but who knows It might be the best option But just as it seemed as if the investigation was hitting a dead end a detective from Shreveport came calling with a possible connection Between the Gainesville ripper murders and the still unsolved grissom family murders from the year before See when the news in Gainesville broke a member of Danny Rowling's old church named Cindy Dobbin came forward And told the detectives that Danny Rowling might be the guy they wanted in both killings From what Cindy said Rowling used to hang out with her and her husband But one night as they were all enjoying a drink or two

Her husband very suddenly came up to her pointed at Danny and said quote this guy's gotta go Which is how what happens when you just collect random friends sometimes that you meet at the bar It's a natural cycle of the bar friendship. This is a church friendship. They met a church But then they started drinking you know in my mind is the same It's all the same You meet somebody you first you're like, oh, this is a fun guy Why don't we know like this guy all the time and then all of a sudden he's like, you know He becomes your number one friend and he's there all the time and then always always something happens

What did Danny say to him? Well, when she asked why her husband said that Danny had told him in casual conversation that he likes to stick knives in people It's how I know where my knives are Like when you say were they wearing khakis casual conversation. He just brought it up out of nowhere. No casual conversation They're just talking And then he's just like I like to stab people. Yeah Yeah That guy's gotta go

Danny had also told Cindy that one day he was going to leave Shreveport for a place where he could lay in the sun And watch beautiful women all day long and Cindy made the connection. That sounds a hell of a lot like Gainesville So after seeing that the grissom case and the Gainesville burners had multiple similarities Investigators managed to obtain one of Danny's teeth that a dentist had kept a hold of for one reason or another I don't fucking know why He didn't ask dentist that's scary for me. The dentist shouldn't be keeping these teeth. He should be throwing that teeth out I'm glad they had it for this reason, but still does he have a lot of other teeth? Or did he just like Danny's teeth? How can he tell the difference? I don't know

I guess he kept it in a drawer. There's a tooth of Danny rolling What did he do? He just pulled out of a guy's head and threw it in a drawer like it was a rubber band? You never want to hear your dentist say that's a keeper Now this one is mine And once one for you one for me one for you may I have all of them back, please? And once the tooth was tested against the dna found at the Gainesville Ripper crime scenes Danny rolling was found to be a match. All right And once that was matched cops returned to the evidence room and matched the ski mask and the screwdriver found

Danny's campsite to the crime scenes as well And much to the relief of the investigators involved they soon found that Danny rolling was already in custody in Ocala Ocala Ocala Ocala Ocala Ocala he just always make it sound the most ignorant. I like Ocala doesn't sound that bad Ocala Ocala Ocala he was in Ocala for string of felonies Fucking Gainesville police didn't solve this shit fucking Cindy did Cindy did wow Cindy figured this shit out the busy body from church I don't think she was a busy body. I think that she had good evidence here to uh to think that this Danny character was up to no good

And as far as Ed Humphrey went he actually had somewhat of an inspiring story After being released from the hospital He turned his entire life around despite the fact that he was never officially pulled from the Gainesville Ripper suspect list In fact the media literally killed Ed Humphrey's grandmother A journalist wouldn't stop banging on her door in November of 1991 Long after Danny rolling was fingered as the Gainesville Ripper And when Ed's grandmother finally opened the door in a rage She dropped dead in her front yard from a coronary

Holy fucking shit. I didn't know that there was an actual death by mass media. Yeah, I guess there is leave this woman alone It's too late But even so Ed got back on his meds and by the age of 28 He graduated magna cum laude from the University of Central Florida with a business degree And this was after he'd made his the way there from community college all while working full-time jobs throughout It's a bipolar success story Wow, all right good for you weird-looking Ed. Nice job. Yeah, and he actually unfortunately Ed actually died a couple of weeks ago Um, so rest in peace Ed Humphrey spent his entire life in Gainesville

But apparently just a couple just a couple actually it was uh early april when Ed Humphrey died So uh rest in peace Ed Humphrey. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's a strange synchronicity, isn't it? It is But gemini season It sounds scary now But concerning the charging of Danny rolling for the Gainesville Ripper murders Danny had already racked up four life sentences for the insane amount of violent felonies He'd committed immediately after the murders What was doubly fucked was that when Danny's father James found out that his son had been charged with these horrific crimes

He was happy and said that he hoped the state fried his sorry bastard of a son Oh, it's because he always knew right even though he was always a piece of shit That was his thing is that like he didn't understand that he might have had a hand in it Yeah, creating this monster. You know what I mean? But he always knew that Danny was a monster Apparently James Rowling fully witnessed his grandfather slit his mother's throat at the kitchen table right in front of him a lot of trauma A lot of trauma and multiple people in the family went to uh went away to mental institutions For violent mental health issues. Uh, so yeah, the the Rowling family's pretty fucked up Yeah, that's a hell of a genealogy timeline there. Yeah now Danny knew that he was buffaloed due to the dna evidence

So he began confessing to every single murder and apologizing again and again for every single one But in a way to keep a weird amount of control over the situation Danny said he had to confess in a very specific way Instead of just telling an investigator Danny confessed through a fellow inmate named Bobby Lewis Who had in the past literally walked off death row by stealing a correctional officers uniform And popping a fake mustache on his face. Yeah, apparently they sentenced me to death for being a sketch comedian But yeah, it was this weird thing because he still wants to distance himself from his own crime So he created this sort of intermediary where so then he doesn't have to quote unquote become out like he doesn't have to

Be guilty he comes through to somebody else's story of him that he's saying and he can always kind of distance himself Yeah, that's why it's interesting He didn't read the media because then he also gets like well, they're talking about me. It's strange I mean, I guess he probably got into this His eventually story after oh, yeah, he was incarcerated. I'm sure there wasn't a lot to do well He found the romanticism of it That's what we keep talking about the we talked about it more last episode But the making of a serial killer is really all about what he viewed as a he's an outlaw

And that's why he wanted to separate it because Danny was a bank robin outlaw That just was he lived with his guitar and his rucksack and nothing else mattered But it was jam and I they made him do all these horrible things But you you read this book and you really see the story of somebody who did not want to acknowledge Just how out of control his fantasies have become Yeah, and what's really interesting about Danny rolling and it really speaks to his compartmentalization Uh, is that he never hurt anyone when he was committing an armed robbery never once he was apologizing

He was always apologizing saying sorry to have to do this pray for me That was his like line was like as he'd go like Every time he'd leave he would go and be like I wouldn't do it if I didn't need it I mean all of the apologizing probably really led this police astray because they were looking for a canadian But it was it was I'm sorry. It's not real. I'm sorry Now bobby lewis the guy that Danny rolling used to confess He was actually the guy who introduced Danny to sondra london Although he didn't tell Danny that the whole thing had started as a way for sondra and bobby to pump Danny rolling for

Whatever profits they could make off of his crimes and confessions I think you mean fight for his free speech rights because if you Sondra london's intro to this book is all about how the Unconstitutional son of sam laws and out there they take the the microphone away from these Wonderful white men like they need to be able to be heard like Danny rollings must be heard from yeah Yeah, but pretty soon sondra had forgotten all about bobby lewis and had focused completely on Danny rolling They began corresponding and sondra claimed to have fallen in love with florida's most brutal serial killer But after sondra was denied visitation rights

She wrote this letter to Danny, which is absolutely real and not embellished in any way whatsoever I've been in love before But it was never like this The first kind of love I felt was maternal. I love little Danny. I wanted to make him my own child Where you could grow and be all that was in him to become I wanted to shield him and protect him and play with him Then came the thrill of the creative interplay Yes

Knowing you has lit a fire and the artist in me that is burning higher and higher And I love that feeling. Don't you I know you feel exactly the same way inspired Slowly I began to see you as 200 pounds a hard man And that was another kind of love That's the one that became so dizzying when I finally laid eyes on my gorgeous hunk of masculinity And to be told I will never see you again. This is tearing me up darling, I wonder Would you like to get married? Oh my god, that is the single sweetest letter I have ever read to a serial killer

And in response to this Danny Rowling actually sang a song to Saundra London During the synencing for one of his many armed robbery hearings and luckily for us that serenade was actually filmed I recall the day I first saw you I reached out to say I love you But it was hard to say I couldn't touch you

So tell me baby. What were my words all my tears run together? Excuse me. Mr. Rowling. Down this pallet. Mr. Rowling. It's too far. Mr. Rowling. Tell me baby What were my words all my tears run together? What were my words all my tears run together, baby? Just like my hand Okay, you get one song in that signature You can't one song That judge improvised that because I don't think a lot of people get one song

Well, I'm gonna demand my one song if I'm ever in Carson ready to Florida be like that motherfucker got a song I'm gonna sing a song too. Oh, of course, and I'm mighty proud of this ragged old flag The way she's looking at him the only way to describe it bro. She's very scary. She reminds she looks like miss piggy looking at kermit She looks like the sister from one of the One of the villains from children under the stairs or people under the stairs She looks like she collects kids and skin Well, the part of the reason why that was so powerful for them as a moment was because they have never been allowed to be in the same room And that was she arrived at the press conference

And so she was allowed to be without a plate glass between them for the first time So it became this like he took this as his moment to express his love for her And the whole time his lawyer is like tapping him on the arm saying like this is dumb The fuck up this is done. I mean it works. You're making a lot Because he also gives he gives a little wink to his he goes like check this out like right before he starts singing Like when you go up right before an open mic night being like all right prepare to be wowed He just does it. Do any gas pumps work in this country? You didn't even use it on stage. I know

Now danny knew that he didn't have a shot at a not guilty verdict not even not guilty by reason of insanity So he pled guilty to all five murders and interestingly when he pled guilty his lawyer was the infamous Steven Glazer who some might remember as the bare-chested disturbingly hairy lawyer from nick broomfield's Eileen Werno's documentary. That's right. Wow. What a crazy coincidence. This guy has a it's a small true crime world Well, he's a florida lawyer, you know, this is all florida. This is all the same area of florida Right, right. So I guess it's not so coincidental that a lot of people got murdered in florida Now danny said he pled guilty because he quote wanted to do the right thing Really? Yeah, but really danny's guilty plea was just a long shot to avoid the death penalty, which absolutely

Did not work judge hear me out. This name of this song is called change of heart I didn't do it. Yes. I did I didn't do it. Yes. I did mr. Rowling. We give you one song. That is two songs, sir danny was given a death sentence for all five murders and after they were read an open court sondra london blew danny a kiss and danny gave her a sullen nod before being led out of the courtroom But soon after sondra released a copyrighted statement on danny's behalf saying he was glad to be sentenced to death In part it read quote once it was done

I felt as if a big hairy smelly ape jump off my shoulders and I could be human again God bless gainsville and lord help heal its people Amen Good. I this wow. What a douchebag and if you're one of the relatives of the victims Fuck you man. Oh, yeah, he said the whole end of this book too is all fucking Apologies apologies and apologies and he writes a sentence. He writes a Uh dedication to the victims family. Oh my god, but all of that is so insulting. He knows what he's doing He's not freaking apologizing. He did say that he definitely didn't do a séance to capture the spirit of bundy

It reminds me of when we were driving in canada and the bus said out of order sorry And I'm like you're a bus. You're not a person And of course when danny was put to death by lethal injection in 2006 he chose To sing his last words and the last thing anyone ever heard from danny rolling Was a self-pinned three-minute long Him praising god. God and he must have been feel so good to kill him right after

Yeah, I can also see god just being like santa claus in a christmas story. Ho, ho Good lordy. Wow. What that is unbelievable. What a crazy story and that's uh little A little insight into serial women that love serial killers as well as sort of a cherry on top of this sondra london She seems what is what's her story? Is she still around? Is she still turning bones? Oh, yeah, she's still around. Uh, her last book was in 2016 She wrote she co-authored a book by a woman one of the women who claims to have been a part of the mk ultra program She claims that her father Had trained her to be an mk ultra agent since she was like six years old. She's been an aral an aral morris documentary

She's in all kinds of serial killer documentary. She shows up again and she is a true crime She's a staple in the true crime world She's an interesting woman because you know, obviously she was exploitive of these monsters to make money off of them But you know So are anybody in the true crime industry and she also everyone marries them. Well, no, no, no, but she went the extra length She went all the way. She also wrote a book on vampirism She's an interesting media figure Yeah, she said that uh, she said that she is only doing what no one else has the courage to do

Suck a serial killer's dick. What are you talking about? Oh, wow, again the people who are Uh courageous in this story are the victims who passed away and uh fighting for their lives You know, what a crazy story that is danie Rolling more it's after help after hearing the brutality. I'm almost surprised. It's not more mainstream of a tale But I guess it's almost so gross that It's you almost want to talk about it. It's a very brutal talk about it It's a brutal story and then later this year. We'll be covering another heavy hitter series that is like that

Yeah, that is one of those where the crimes itself are so shocking that it's weird how there is that there's the jeffrey dommer That type of things because those are shocking crime scenes But no one if you watch anything about jeffrey dommer, you don't actually hear all the details of what really happened inside of his house You know, the difference is that danie rolling. He's just not that cute He's not cute like ted bundy and he's not cute like jeffrey dommer He's just not that cute. He looks like a fucking toad on a log and that's really the reason why He's not media savvy enough. Yeah, he didn't have the x-factor Wow, well, he would be uh, he maybe the more one of the more talented singers

I guess in the serial killer category, which is again not uh once you put in the caveat of serial killer category You know, there's not a talent's not exactly overflowing. It's not a deep bench. No no man's it's still better Yeah, man's it's great as a song. I like his songs. I just like the audio. Man's it's great. What was that? Um, um, well, thank you all so much for listening. Yeah, we got you beautiful fucks. We're coming to denver They're raising the amounts of people that are allowed to be in that theater the red rock theater come out Watch us. We got a show now. We're gonna scream at you. We can't wait We had such a great time in grundy county as well. Thanks to everyone who came out to that show Uh, it was just great to see all of you and be with all of you and we can't wait again for uh red rocks

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