Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 457: The Black Death Part II - Passport to Hell
Episode Date: June 18, 2021On part two, we explore the ways in which war, superstition, and fear gripped Europe as the plague robbed the continent of human life. Then, we travel north through Italy to get a closer look at the d...isease as it moved like a piranha, spilling blood in the gutters of Messina, Florence, Venice, and beyond. What does God's divine retribution look like? How far can rats jump? And what is the most elegant way to ditch your sickly family member? All answers will be revealed.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0
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There's no place to escape to this is the last talk on the left
That's when the cannibalism started
Snood life
Feeling snood life, dude
Are you referencing the game people played eight years ago snood no man snood's a hat
You're too good to take a bath when you want to make your whole fucking body a condominium for fleas
Because I ate a bunch of edibles last night here in Denver, and I got real into medieval flute music
Oh my god
I spent all day today at the hotel. We're at which is essentially the blobby's essentially port authority
I spent all day writing the script and listening to fucking me evil
Where the hell did you guys hear all this flute music
Bro
Henry actually sent me a link and I know you were high because you sent me a link of medieval flute music with this tagline
I love this album
It was well curated it's music from 1300s that allow it was I think it said the tapestries of Edward the second
I believe oh, it was honestly very emotional and it sets the tone for how that what was in the background of
People screaming and dying streets of medieval Italy, which is people going
Cryptic and horrifying that the music seems kind of happy. Oh, yeah, very John. Wow. All right. Let's get into it
We are on to the black death part two now most people in medieval Europe believe that the black death was some sort of
Divine retribution from God because in their eyes God was wiping the earth clean of sinners
Just as he done with the flood of Noah or the biblical plagues of yore, but he didn't finish the job. Oh
My don't remind him
Really considering everything that happened before the black death that made the plague that much deadlier
You really can't blame the people of Europe for thinking that the universe was
Righteously angry with each and every one of them
We talked about this last episode and we've said and we're just gonna come up time and time again
That this was the worst century to be alive. Yeah, and we're really gonna nail down why yeah, it wasn't the flute music was it?
Absolutely not man. Hashtag snood life is real
No, the black plague was not the only reason why life was awful though
You could be excused for thinking so we're gonna go into all the reasons why the black plague was merely the cherry on top
Oh of this century of human misery. All right crappy Sunday
Yeah, see as we said at the end of the last episode medieval Europe had just seen an
Unprecedented period of growth near the end of the first millennium in this period of growth had lasted midway through the 13th century
producing both bountiful
Harvests and relative
Technological marvels that it enabled the European population to triple
But it really was technology that just allowed them to work harder and longer. Mm-hmm. And this nice
Smarter not harder. Ah sorta
Yeah, it sounds like they were working hard I walked through on YouTube
I did a couple of searches for like medieval life reenactments, and it's still fucking sucked even when it was nice
Yeah, you understand some of their pain because you had to sit there in YouTube
That's not easy to do the walkin handcraft each letter by finger on the keyboard
That's not easy. Give yourself a little bit of credit
Honestly, I did watch an hour-long special on how to make a castle by hand and they did it voluntarily in 2018
And it fucking sucks. I don't know why anybody would do this. It's hard. You're gonna make your own cement
I'm not doing all that but this the little optimum. Yeah, what it was called
It only lasted for like two and a half years when things were nice the little optimum
That is so sad. Technically. It's the name of a hipster restaurant here in Denver. Yeah, but it is a it
It was just this little patch of time where everyone's like there for a second
They're like maybe things are gonna be all right
Maybe maybe maybe this time a is gonna stick and dad's not gonna continue drinking
Oh, but two and a half years later after his dad dies. Oh, if he didn't get back to that bottle
But unfortunately the population boom that came from the little optimum was unsustainable
The land was becoming overworked much like it had during America's dustball disaster of the 1930s
Where the land was given no time to rest and therefore turned to mnemonic dust
Jesus fucking Christ the gerbils still is all gerbils
Are you still blaming the gerbils for this mnemonic dust the comparison?
John Kelly made with medieval Europe was that their food population balance was akin to a man standing up to his neck in water
The man may or may not drown
But even the slightest rise in the next tide would result in his death and for the people of medieval Europe the rising tide
Was the little ice age now the little ice age again. It's not a prequel to a Pixar movie
When things got real cold and it didn't stop raining for about three years five years try
550
Years I think that's gonna be at least a medium size. It's an appetizer of an ice age
lasting from the year
100 until about 1850 the little ice age was another climactic shift that resulted in earlier longer and colder weather
For centuries to come and the already exhausted European land failed to produce even enough food for pre little
Optimum population levels and you know for a fact there was one of those guys like our good friend Adam warts who grew up in Wisconsin
Who wears flip-flops in the winter? Oh, you know for a fact there's one good
I
Sometimes we're an extra snoot
Honestly, it's kind of like a hip thing for me
It's a layered look and honestly in my fleas honestly really also really enjoy it because it gives them extra protection from the sun
It's a special kind of cockiness those that can handle the cold. I don't like those
The 1315 rye crop failed and the
1316 crop was even worse yielding 85% less than an already bad year as a result
People all over Europe began to starve to death and died in such great numbers that cottages rivers and fields were filled
With the bodies of the dead
Now the writer of the Time Travelers Guide to medieval England claims that people stopped short of cannibalism
But John Kelly, what does that mean they just sniffed the body
Do half you're eating with your eyes, so just take a look at that corpse there
Almost feel it on your tongue
But John Kelly author of The Great Mortality
Maintains that there is no doubt that parents killed children and children killed parents
Just to stay alive a little longer if for no other reason than to remove a mouth to feed
I don't want to be blue, but you're gonna want to go with baby meat
Baby meat apparently what we learned from old-timey cannibals from the from the French or from the 1800s
Baby meat is the consistency of fish that it's flaky and it's very very soft and it melts in the mouth
So it's honestly not good for eating, but this is important now as a parent
How did you have an answer for that? I did
As a parent right now, I want you to line up your kids
During this episode. I want you to line them up
And I want you to hear that section and I want you to point at them and you all decide as children
Who's gonna go to save the parents because it's important for the kids to know the parents have to continue to make more kids
Yeah, I mean they're the children of the next generation
So the parents could also die at that point because they already did what they have to do much like a small bug
You just procreate and die. I guess so maybe the kids should be alive
Yeah, I guess so but kids are a lot weaker than adults and therefore cannot defend themselves against our attacks
Yeah, they're gonna die anyway, okay
Yeah, and that was just in the countryside in cities like Antwerp stevedores were charged with walking the streets with their infamous cries of
Bring out your dad. Yeah
Yeah, which actually started with the Great Famine and continued into the Black Death cool
It was a meme just like bring out your dad actually it is the definition of a meme Wow
But the Great Famine which happened first was just so wet
Yeah, I think that was a thing that really struck me is that I just didn't understand how wet yeah everything was and how just
Rain can kill everyone. I didn't know that yeah
Torrential rain for poor in some countries for six months straight
And it was also so cold that the sea would freeze like rivers would freeze like it was no fishing
Yeah, no no fishing it was insane how deep the ice on like the Thames would get no eels no eels no eels even
They would die from starvation and just from rain
They would just get flooded out of their own homes and then just be
Ushered into the next town nude wet and screaming true. Well, I I just went camping and I was very similar
True true question though drought or torrential downpour isn't rain naturally just gonna be better though
Don't you still want rain more than like no rain at all for 500 years?
I mean, yeah, you would want rain more because you still have something to drink
But it's still gonna ruin the crops either way apparently it rained so heavy. They said it looked like the
Wheat and everything had been pressed down with an iron geez
On air first Germany so many people died in the Great Famine that corpses were tossed into ditches in front of the town hall
And in Louvain, France
Collection carts carried bodies to the cemetery outside town two if not three times a day
In some cities in England living women and children were deemed expendable and were forced outside of the city walls
So the survival of the men was ensured. Yeah
No, ma'am
Yeah, those expelled were then forced to survive on grass weeds
Acorns and even bark in extreme cases actually here in Denver if you go to a little optimum
That is this tasting course that they do is just like that. It's grass all sorts of acorns. Nice
That's good actually, but at the same time that the crops were failing
That wasn't the only bad thing that was happening. Mm-hmm the animals started dying as well from a disease called
Rinder pest. This is great. I'm I'm horror show Billy Mays and there's more
Yeah, Rinder pest is also known as the cattle plague this came first
Yeah, and this the animal very loudly shits itself to death
Mm-hmm all while their noses mouths and eyes produce a constant stream of discharge
Yeah, they said they would be kept awake at night for months listening to their cows
Uh grunt and scream because the what Rinder pest also does is give the animal this constant sensation of needing to shit
And not being able to shit. Oh, so they would just be kept up all night by a fucking pig going
Trying to shit and we'll name that pig Zabraski
Thankfully the Rinder pest was finally eradicated in
2001 what got her another another check mark for a human guy
Geez
Additionally, there was so little food that people took more chances on sustenance that may or may not have already spoiled
That meant that more people were eating moldy wheat and rye and moldy cereal grains
sometimes bring on an hallucinogenic condition called
Ergotism this is all straight from the movie the witch. Yeah. Yeah, see when grains get moldy
They produce a fungus called ergot and a derivative of ergot is
LSD
In fact, some people believe that the Salem witch trials were simply a result of a whole population
Tripping balls on ergot all at once fueled by a belief that the devil was a very real presence in their lives
Imagine you're that one person you're that one girl in Salem was just like I'm actually gluten-free and then everyone with LSD eyes
It just starts chasing you down. Oh my god
This was a you normally also with ergotism you get really sick. Yeah, and tripple
So I don't know if it was just ergot that did it. I think it was a the constant classic hatred of
Cool groovy people. Yeah, also, that's a great name for a kid ergot
Ergot he'll move right off them hands
Well similarly the people of medieval Europe believed the same thing about the devil but at a much more intense level
They saw the devil as a being without limits and since belief in superstition sorcery in the supernatural was so strong
Medieval folk believed that anything could happen at any time
Honestly the medieval times it is a fun time. I do I don't want to go there
I would love to see it like if I was in some sort of time traveling orb
I would like to like walk through and be able to see all of this shit. Oh, yeah, because it is killer like this idea of like people
What part of it? It's all the talking goats people tripping balls all the time. It is the
It's really like tripping. They're being drugged by God. They're like like they don't know they're tripping. No, no nightmare
Yeah, I
Guess so but then you can so readily believe in magic because everything kind of has that tint to it
But you don't know that you're actually very sick
Yeah
I'll add that belief to widespread ergot poisoning which by the way causes the arms and legs to blacken decay and actually fall off
And you've got a population primed to believe that famines and the upcoming plagues were God's divine judgment
Have you ever done a bunch of drugs when you're really sick?
No
I think I've actually cured a cold with some mushrooms always I always believed you could party yourself healthy
Yeah, but there is times when I remember like especially in college like having like a horrible chest cold
No, yeah, but I still would do it where it's like you take like some kind of cold medication and you take hallucinogens on top of the
Cold medication you're all sick and weird and feverish and gross, but you're still at the bar
You're like drunk and you're on mushrooms. Yeah, it's like that
Well, it's nice that you found something that if you ever do meet Lil Wayne you can bond over that
Oh, I'll high-five him. Yeah, absolutely. I would love to meet him
But even if a person didn't die in the throes of a horrific trip death by starvation was no picnic either
By the time a starving soul met their end their skin was brittle and brown and both their facial and
Pubic hair began to grow
abundantly just before their death
This happened to me because I'm so hungry all the time why would the pubic hair grow?
You know what? I actually forgot to look up what cuz I wrote that and I was like I gotta look up the Y on that one
Yeah, and then I forgot to look up the Y. You know what?
Let's just let it be the audience you let us know why the pubic hair grew you take this research on yourself
Maybe your body shrinks and then their hers get longer as a result like when they say with your
Your fingernails like grow after death, but it's just your skin receding. That's great Marcus
You did mention one optimal word picnic
Mm-hmm. They should have had more picnics
Did anyone suggest a Saturday picnic during this time a picnic is only a picnic when it's optional
They all lived outside because they had shanty huts. So we mostly um, yeah, they were constantly in a word picnicking
Yeah, and also, I mean if you were picnicking you reading grass you reading acorns
And if you tried killing a deer in the king's forest that all that shit from Robin Hood that was real like you would kill you
You'd be executed for killing a deer in the king's forest. That's where my last name comes from
That's what my people are the parks is the origin of the name parks is that my ancestors were park rangers
That we would be the people you killed the people who were hungry. That's right. Well, they had to die
They had to die
Now from what we can surmise we think the great famine killed about half a million people in England and about 10% of all Germans
Although we have absolutely no way of knowing how many people died in rural Europe
But even though those numbers are low compared to what was seen during the black death
It was actually the great famine that enabled the mortality numbers for the black death to be so high at least in part
See when it comes to malnutrition a famine of just three years has long-term effects on the future
Immune system of children who were born into the famine and the people who were adults when the black death hit were children
Dearing the great famine man. They had to go through all of that shit
It's kind of very similar how we had to go through Alf just remember the big bang theory
Yeah, I remember that yeah
I remember one time I I got a teenage mutant ninja turtle toy and it had broken in the package
Just like the plague will return that it came art and what a what a pain in the ass that was you might as well been dying tripping balls in a field
nude covered in mud and my surfer Raphael yeah, the arm broke on in there
What a fucking dick in the ass by God. I'm pretty upset about it still
However, the great famine also got the ball rolling on the big societal changes that came about after the black death
See before the great famine most people in rural England at least didn't have surnames
Last names were reserved for the wealthy in political classes because peasants didn't have a reason to move beyond their little slice of land
Or their village and just so long as there weren't an abundance of guys named Ralph in your area
There was no need for separate designations. You're just Ralph. Then you'd be dumb Ralph
Oh my goodness, but after the great famine and especially after the black plague peasants began to move from town to town for work
because there were so few people left and
People therefore began taking surnames based on their hometown like say now you're Ralph Kent because you're Ralph from Kent
And once you had too many Ralph's and Kent surnames became professions. Oh, man. I love fat Superman Ralph Kent
He's great. He works for the National Enquirer
He could fly three feet above the ground and he went just slower than a slow bullet
I can jump half as big as the normal man
Wow Ralph Kent
Now the little ice age and the great famine certainly did their jobs in weakening Europe's population for the upcoming plague
But the last piece of the puzzle that enabled the plague to run rampant was one simple yet widespread problem
Filth
See when the great famine hit the already
Overcrowded cities were swarmed with refugees from the countryside and those peasants brought what animals were left after the
Rinder pest epidemic filling the city with more garbage more shit and more rats
All of their villages literally got rained out
So after years and years and years of rain and destroyed all of like the village like kind of the worker class like people that would go and kind of
Live on their own and whatever the freelance were or would like the outer edges of whatever fiefdom
They were a part of and so they would be
Fucked right everything that they ever had was destroyed and so they'd all just roll into whatever cities they were
But as they would come in they would just leave their actual lumps of shit and dead animals as they went
Into the cities and then they're like okay here to be fed
Ready to get some food from all the y'all and they're like well
We only had so much for like for us
You know I mean because we kind of been in here in the city scenario
And you you seem to have left a lump of shit over here
And that was the beginning of old country buffet where they realized treat them like cattle. They're hog people
By 1330 the cities were drowning in garbage and human waste and the problem was so great that in one recorded instance
One man actually murdered another man over something as trivial as littering as the story goes a London
merchant confronted an eel peddler who had tossed some eel skins into the lane outside of the merchant shop the merchant
Demanded the eel peddler pick up the skins and when the peddler refused the merchant who had reached the end of his rope done
Stabbed the peddler to death. You don't fuck with the conservationists
This is the future the liberals want
This is what they want. Well, this is just don't throw your shit in front of my store. I'm not fucking
I'm tired. I've got I have to already deal with a river of shit and a river of blood that is constantly flowing past my store
Oh, you fucking throw fucking throwing eels out there. I'm blighted about having a shop. I got the rest of the eels all day
That's my job. How much I'm wriggling to be able to bite
Neither of them were happy to be fair, but you know that one guy was just like Pamela. I can't fucking one more person
One more eel skin and then it just happened at the perfect time. Mm-hmm. You know, hey, it could happen to any of us
But even outside of the tossed eel skins cities were covered in outdoor slaughterhouses and backed up gutters of shit
And when those were combined with all the garbage that these people produced you had the perfect breeding ground for hundreds of thousands
If not millions of rats, so we are going back to rats here
We're out of gerbils right of hamsters. Well gerbils and I mean they are obviously not exonerated in any way shape
Then you're not exonerated the rats are a part of this a whole scenario
If I were gonna put them all like what's they give them villain names because you got the gerbils on one side
They think they're super fucking cute and they can hide behind their long tails mean all the rats are the obvious culprit
They're the ones because they can jump real high and they love human shit
Yeah, they do the gerbils are like poison ivy and the rats are the Joker. Okay. Whoo. I love poison ivy and the Joker sexy
Now really why do you think gerbils are sexy? Oh, they're sexier than rats
I would totally say rats are sexier than gerbils. There was okay. First of all, we're gonna put it in the record
I'd go for a woman
Or a very feminine man gerbils are definitely a sexier rodent than a rat. Huh? Yeah, absolutely rat
You get more of your dick in it
You're too small like you would just sniff around your balls
It's so hard to like you'd have to cut it open and kind of wrap it around your dick like it's a hot dog
But guys, you know what? We're CEOs. Let's table it. We'll circle back. We'll circle back
Yeah, really black rats are
Extraordinary creatures from an objective point of view perhaps the most efficient pests in history
Just two black rats breeding continuously for three years in optimal conditions are able to produce
329 million offspring
But you know for a fact these retro like this is fucking awesome
Fucking fuck party man. Oh man. They're the Irish of the road
Dude even today London is home to 20 million rats
You know New York City we get a bad fucking rat for having rats
We have a lot of rats London has ten times more rats than we do. Yeah, we only have two million rats
That's it. Yeah. Oh, I had a rat in my apartment one time that they are
They don't die. They do not die. You know who I blame who dick Van Dyke
Oh, you've been blaming dick Van Dyke for a month and a half. I don't know what he did to you
He's got skeleton mouth. You're just upset that he's living his best life in an older age with a beautiful woman
No, I love that about him. Okay, but it's his he's like a dancing skeleton. He scares 98
He's kind of he's kind of crickety and he really honestly his face creeps me out
Well, it'll happen all of us. Hopefully. Yeah, hopefully
Well furthermore a black rat can jump three feet from a standing position
He's leaped three feet
I get if a rat was sitting here right now where I am been of that rat could leap and start eating your face
You know, you know here
You've never seen a rat bounce off a woman on the subway train like when you were like waiting for one in New York
I remember seeing a rat jump bounce off her tits
And then like look on her face because it's just like a oh
Because it happens so quickly and you didn't know that your tits could be a bounce board for something other than a very small man
Absolutely, I saw a rat a massive must it looked like 10 pound rat it went through a hole the size of a quarter
Yeah, they are endlessly powerful. They can fit through a
Opening a quarter of an inch. They can squeeze down. They can also fall 50 feet without hurting themselves
Why were they made?
To test us. Yeah. Yeah, and since they can fit into any opening
That's a quarter of an inch wide that meant that they could cram themselves into any structure and medieval
The shanty walls of the medieval world were made of a loose plaster like so they were kind of made
Shiddily, it was very similar to plaster in Paris. Yeah. Yeah, they were just
Fill right through that. Yeah, a lot of structures. They had to replace every 30 years or so
Except if it wasn't a castle or something like eventually they got better at it
But back then yeah about every 30 years a house would just fucking collapse. All right
Furthermore rats also thrive on dead animals and there was no shortage of death in medieval cities even before the plague
dog catchers were more dog killers and they left copious amounts of stray corpses to rot on the street and
Feed the rats. That's the problem. Why didn't anybody pick up after themselves at all?
There was no culture for it. Okay, and besides the rivers of blood that came from butcher shops along with the piles of discarded
heart slivers and intestines
Surgeon barbers would pour the blood they'd let from their patients veins out into the gutters
Which was the perfect sup for a rat the street rat bloody Mary ran with blood
She's like actual not just animal blood, but human blood. Mm-hmm now concerning barber surgeons
I was actually quite interested to discover where the name barber surgeon comes from. Yeah, see they were indeed barbers
But in medieval Europe regular folk were a little nervous about a stranger holding a razor to their neck
Okay, but the thing was is that barbers figured they were leaving a lot of money on the table since they had all these fucking knives lying around
So barbers became barber surgeons
Expanding to bloodletting
Amputations wound cauterizing tooth removal and boil lancing pretty much anything having to do with knives and flesh
So you go in you get your tooth removed probably lose a pinkier too, and then at the end you're like and I'll have some corned beef
Seriously, really is one stop shop. Yeah, and yeah, you can't all these knives sitting around
Yeah, a barber you can get a crop top
I would assume they also butchers a meat for you. Oh the butchers in the barber surgeons
Those are well there's a do they do butchers flesh and knives. I mean human flesh and knives
Okay, butchers are a whole different game in the barber surgeons you get your teeth removed
You move a couple of toes, and then you get a nice cut. Yeah, okay
Yeah, but you could still get to probably get a sandwich there if it's a good barber surgeon
Yeah, but the funny thing was that like butchers and barber surgeons were on the same level
They were considered craftsmen, you know there was no for if I don't have the I am the thing that you are crafting
Well, that's the idea. They got a practice on somebody and oh, I bet your organs are easy to find
You would have had experience with that. Oh, what do you talk about when you cut your finger off and you had that person?
Oh, yeah, I did an experimental surgery
Oh, I went to an urgent care and they would said is it cool if we have one of our residents like do this when I cut the
Timmy thumb off and then the guy was like he's like just hold steady and he
Cauterized my wounds and I screamed I've never had that sound come out on me before and then when he left the doctor came in and
Looked at my thumb and was like he didn't have to cauterize that
Probably could have stopped him from doing that but I didn't want to be like no damn it
But speaking of the slashing of flesh the final and deadliest spreader of the plague once it arrived in Europe was war
Yes, specifically the way that war began to change in the 14th century
See by the time the black death struck in the 1340s
The Scots were killing the English the English were killing the French the French were killing the Fleming's and the Italians in Spanish
We're killing themselves all on huge battlefields throughout the European countryside. They fought for a hundred years
They also were the one of this new honestly, what did they fight over? Was it land?
They had land ideologies like thrones, okay?
Yeah, it was all of that because it was all the papacy Rome like it was like cities would get mad at each other
And then they just start fucking wars with each other
Because the French was they were not one country yet
France was not one country was a bunch of like landholders and little small dignitaries and then there was like Italy the same thing
So they'd all enter fight. They also were they came up with the incredible
military idea of called chevrochet
which um was kill and pillage and rape and burn all the people because what they figured out a way to
Weaken the countries what you do is what I do in Civ you got a pillage everybody
It's just like everybody yeah, but it made for a holy unpleasant experience in the middle of your show
But she sounds so nice and it doesn't like what does it mean?
You're like that's why the French the language of love the meaning is all death and murder
Well, I mean really that of course it weakened the countryside, but when they did the the chevrochet
Chevrochet
The main purpose of that was to break sieges
Because the king or whoever ruled the land would close themselves up in their castle and it would take like a year to break a siege
It's hard once you get behind them walls
Mm-hmm
And so what the opposing armies would do is they would just murder all of the villagers murder all the people all around everywhere
So the king would be forced to leave his castle and come get you people. Yeah, and then he would be killed
Well, you would the idea is you try to make the king come out to come get you
And then when you go you go run out of the woods and the king's out there
But a lot of times like the king would be trained to fight sometimes the king's a 14 year old exactly or just a rickety old
Incest baby. Yeah. Oh, yeah many times an incest baby
Yeah, well, this wasn't quite to the times of incest yet really the incest came like later on
We didn't get really really bad. Don't discount nude life from having some brothers and sisters do a little licking
Oh, because I'm pretty certain there was some brother and sister licking a lick going on throughout the 1300s
I'm sure there was but with the chevalier
What that did is deep these were mini massacres all around the countryside and those produced more and more bodies
And these essentially gave rats and the armies that they followed it gave the rats tiny little feeding stations suburbs
Yeah, the rats had a whole thing. Yeah, they get their libo or their re-raw whatever they have like here in Denver
Yeah, and that produced more rats and more fleas spreading the plague now concerning these larger armies
Commanders discovered that while cavalry was a formidable force on the battlefield
Mounted soldiers could be taken down if you just
Overwhelmed them with peasants armed with pikes and boats
Yeah, dude because the horses get spooked and all of a sudden you stab a horse in fucking balls and drops the night off
The top of it and you get it underneath and stab them stab them stab them stab you just like flood the area with dudes
Yeah, yeah, there is some alternate universe where the there's like rat casts rat podcast
They cover the same topics and they're just like the good old days. We're covering the black death
Oh, this was a good time to be a rat. Yeah, this is the rat heyday right here
Yeah, like how we talk about like the great Roman Empire. Yeah, that's how the rats talk about about the black play
Abs they were kings
Well, infantry was also cheaper than cavalry because five or six bowmen or pikemen would cost about the same as one
Cavalrymen and they were also very expendable because they were all peasants. How much did you say I was going for?
Oh one shilling, huh? Is that a lot or oh, it's purposely very little. It's very little
Yeah, how old are you I don't care
The front he's an older one put him towards the front so that'll be where I'm say
Why lie
As a result armies became much larger again producing more garbage more bodies and more rats once the battles were over and done with
Additionally while the bodies bred rats wore bred sickness because the insane stress of being a medieval
Infantryman weakened his immune system and the constant march and battle cycle produced filthy men
Which attracted more plague carrying rat fleas?
If one bar of Irish spring one bar of Irish spring could have just saved all of it could have in many ways
It could have but then also the event soap are just jumping in the river, but they had that was that's what they considered to be gay
When medieval people did take baths or when they did clean themselves up most of the time
It was like jumping in the river that wasn't too bad
It was just taking baths that was the bad thing because people who worked in shit like that were like worked in latrines
They they did clean the shit off of them daily
Oh, they were also jumping into a river where the shit had been flowing into all
They would go they had coarse salt soap that used to scour their skin that they would only use to wash
Essentially their clothes and they also be actively used lie
Quite a bit so they do could get washed but a lot of times
There's a sort of burning your skin you just get burnt
Yeah, but as far as where and how the plague entered Europe the main entry point was Sicily
Specifically the port city of Messina this was where the ship or ships that it escaped both the golden horde and the plague at
Kafa had arrived. Do you remember reading that letter?
Did you read the letter about how the head of the of the mongolian armies like sent that letter to the Pope saying?
It's time for you to surrender now like as they were about to this whole thing as they were pressing forward like through Kafa and all this kind of
Shit the mongolians very well could have taken over half of Europe if it wasn't for the plague
Yeah, the plague and what and the side effects of the plague made them turn back and actually
Concentrate more warfare in the China region of their empire
But they were common for Rome and for France and they sent this letter essentially being like we're ready for your surrender at any point
Now we're gonna come get you and it was only the plague that kept all of Europe from being a part of the mongolian
Tell me the Catholics benefited or by a bunch of starvation death. It's weird, right?
Isn't that weird now the lucky jeans theory that we talked of last episode is only one of the possibilities of how the plague made
Such a long journey without killing everyone on board these ships from Kafa to Sicily
Equally likely is that the plague spread simply because of how sea travel was done in those days
See back then most sailors found the act of traveling out of the site of land to be
Psychologically disturbing which meant that most ships sailed along the coast where land could easily be seen
I'd love that honestly. I'm very afraid of the ocean
Well, that was the whole thing with Christopher Columbus. Everyone knew that the world was round
It was just sailing out of the site of land just wasn't done. It was an insane thing to do
I get it. It sounds scary also when you said lucky jeans
I did think of the sisterhood of the traveling pants, but then I didn't realize you're talking about genetics
Took me a second, but I got it
Well consequently since land could be seen port cities could also be seen and these ships carrying plague infected crews
Likely stopped at ports every few days to trade and refresh supplies
Amazingly though these ships also picked up more men in every port city to replace the ones who had died
Probably recruited by the few crewmen who had the lucky jeans that enabled them to escape sickness and death Polish people
And we're gonna get to that later in this series
We don't know if they were Polish Henry's is very proud that the Polish skirted the play
We did not get the plague. We're immune to AIDS. Just let everybody know that at first
I thought but I first saw the sentence that Polish people are immune to AIDS
I thought it was just they didn't like to get help for people. They didn't like to reach out, right?
I think it was just no one had sex with them
But it seems to me like, you know the video game five nights at Freddy's how it begins where it's like what happened to
The last guy who worked I just feel like if I'm going on a boat and they're like you're gonna fill in for stew
It's like what happened to stew exactly like you'll find out
But honestly I think aren't sailors who were not expendable, but there were it is a transitory life. Yeah
Now the plague hit Messina fast and hard after the plague ships docked and within weeks
If not days the city was split into the sick and the well
And this is the point when the black plague starts to ravage Europe for the next four years
Sicily itself is the such a microcosm of how
The plague rips up an island because it just it as soon as the the green light hit for the plague
people would like obviously they were incredibly overwhelmed by it, but at the same time they
They reacted in a very self-serving manner as well
Well in Messina crazed dogs ran wild in the streets
Roads were filled with refugees fleeing the sickness and spreading it even further and the woods around the city were filled with
The corpses of people who had wandered off to die alone because this is a new
Sickness no one knew what the fuck was happening or where anyone was gonna end up even next week much less next month
Well because at its best the plague kills you in six days at its worst the plague kills you
48 hours if not less than three days. I'm actually gonna flip those two though because I you know me
I'm gonna get it done with please but the thing with six days of this
But the people who died in six days had an extra three days to travel
Yeah, so all they are running scared from everything that's happening literally watching people clap screaming in the streets
Like you're watching death happen live in front of you
So you're running as far as you can meanwhile just spreading more and more plague as you go
Yeah, the fear of the plague was so great
But legends sprung up immediately one fryer wrote that a black dog with a sword in its paw
Rushed into a church and smashed all the sacred objects while another fryer claimed that a statue of the Virgin Mary
Was prevented from entering the city when the earth gaped open before its path
You know what if I was there I'd be like somebody fucked the Virgin Mary statue didn't you I want to see every one of your dicks
And I'm looking for so I'm looking for dust looking for dust. Did you fuck the Virgin Mary statue?
According to one account the plague wiped out entire networks of people within hours
It was said that a man waiting to make his will died along with the notary
The priest who heard the confession and the people that were there to witness the will and all of them were buried the next day
All fucking dead. I also the one story that I liked that I came up. It's very brief
You really enjoyed this story. I love the story um, but the it's it's a brief story in the great mortality
But I was looking at there is some seeds of this but about their Duke Regent Duke Giovanni of Sicily who abandoned his job
Right, so when the plague hit Sicily, he was like fuck this
I'm out save a number one and he just jumped in the woods
And so he would go into you read under the woods and he became like a woods person where he and he's like the fancy man of
Sicily, and he's out there with his all of his fineries getting covered in dirt and leaves and sticks and shit and
Popping up every once while being splayed on run on back
And he said that he became sort of like a cryptid of the Sicilian forest where he would run
You know like basically they would see it's like I think that's our fucking president over there
He's like oh no, is it out of me? Yeah
I am a
But he died in the plague. He did die. Okay. Yeah, he deserved it
I'm sure some of them did deserve a first most of them of course did not oh, yeah
Now eventually people began to realize that the plague was coming into Messina through the ships
So any ship showing signs of infection was turned away
All this did though was take the plague to different cities who had not yet experienced the plague hell yeah
We'd spread it even wider Sicily, however simply saw the plague as an act of God and until the plague burned itself out in the fall of
1348 chaos rained for an entire year
You've been celebrating a lot of the horrible components of this
It's estimated that a third of the population of Sicily died and the entire island was littered with dead bodies
found everywhere from the desolate volcanic interior to the green valleys near the coastal plains and
Sicily's beaches from Sicily the plague spread into Italy who was going through yet
Another famine caused by torrential rains that had flooded the country for six months at the same time major earthquakes rock
Rome, Venice, Pisa, Bologna, Naples, and Padua and in Cyprus poisonous gases
erupted from the ground when the earth cracked open. This is why they thought that this shit came directly from God
I think it may have now the more than I hear about it. I think God may have been really pissed off
There's some research going into the fact that they think that the earthquakes and the cracks that it would cause would release
Plague bacteria from the inner earth that literally the earth itself was attacking us with plague
Oh, wow
Finally war between cities in Italy had enveloped the country producing even more misery and death
Now when the plague entered the city of Venice the city reacted reasonably in some ways and terribly cruel and others
The plague arrived in January of 1348 and by March a ruling body decreed that all ships entering Venice would be
Bordered and searched in any vessel that harbored corpses or
Refugees that might have come into contact with the plague were set ablaze killing everyone on board. Everybody's got to go
That's such a nice solution. You came up with also. I want to know
I don't know if the audience heard that but while he was recounting this horrible detail
Kissles stomach rumbled like a cartoon bear hungry for honey
Well, it's a it's a boat barbecue
On the reasonable side Venice shut down all drinking houses and ends dead bodies were pulled from buildings and disposed of
Convoys carried away the poor who had died in the streets and the dead were all buried five feet deep after receiving a
Final prayer from a priest ending the Venetian tradition of burying the deceased in front of one's own house
Hmm. Once the city began dying in impossible numbers though
Venetians gave clemency to most prisoners and emptied the cells of debt exiles
Who could return to the dying city if they could manage to pay off one fifth of their debt
So not only do you get to pay your bill, but you also get to die of the plague. This is so nice
I'm also just as you mentioned before we all of the same the human brain hasn't changed whatsoever
You know the human man loves taxes, don't they?
They don't care they don't care they're they're saying they're doing this
We're releasing the prisoners because of kind of reminds me of Michael Cohen when he got released to release at least people for COVID
It's like we'll release ya, but you still owe me that money
Yeah, we will get that money as soon as possible or you're dead
Let me feel your fucking pocket their taxes are going for so many great
Gulches full of shit and how everything is like nine shambles one stoplight would have made me happy
It was a stop sign. It was to pay for some very rich young man's
Purple dye in his clothes because purple dye was incredibly expensive. Mm-hmm. I had the wealthy in this time period
What did I get just wait? Okay by the summer of 1348 a year and a half after the plague arrived
600 people were dying in Venice per day and the city ordered a stop to the mass exodus of the population
Lest Venice become a ghost town as a result 60% of Venice about 72
Thousand people died in the black death
Following Venice the plague entered a new phase when it entered central Italy through the port of Pisa
There the plague worked so fast that a galley crew visiting a fish market merely spoke to a fish munker
And the fish munker soon fell ill and died
I was opposed to die in a war
That's where opera came from isn't that something and then he probably had a couple of fish that you could steal after he died
From Pisa the plague moved to Pistola
Where it was decreed that bodies couldn't be removed from their place of death
Until they were enclosed in a wooden box with a lid that had been nailed shut and that box was then buried in a grave
dug two and a half arm lengths deep
Pistoia also decreed that people could not accompany a corpse further than the door of the church at a funeral and
Bells to accompany mourning were forbidden so as to not trouble or frighten the sick which makes sense
Because if they did ring the bells for every funeral the bells would never stop non-stop
Yeah, but these rules only apply to the lowlier folk of Pisoia
Because the families of knights judges doctors of physics or doctors of law
They were allowed to mourn in any way they pleased. I mean, yeah, they have the diamond package the diamond package of life
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it seems as if these measures did do something to prevent the spread of the plague
Because while places like Venice lost 60% of its population
Pistoia only lost a third. Hey. Yeah, look at that. Yeah
Well, it's just random shit-ass fucking luck
Yeah, they just a roll of the dice where some places where everybody died did some people only some places only some of the people died
Isn't that great? You just see the politicians spinning it right now. Just like only one-third. We don't like them anyway
Yeah, cuz you know while that did work in Pistoia in some cities
Nothing they did had any effect on the plague in any way whatsoever
And no Italian city saw more horrors from the black death than Florence see by the time the plague reached Florence
They'd already survived an epidemic of another kind in 1340 probably measles or smallpox
and that was in addition to a war with Pisa in
1341 and civil strife by the time the plague arrived in one incident the city's chief of police and his son were
Publicly executed and dismembered and once the police chief and his son were dead the crowd cut them into tiny little bits
Beasted upon raw flesh then and there
And that is where I don't even know if I want to say it but the kids like you eat like pigs
Sometimes people refer to police officers
Yeah, I like that a little bit those two little little chunks. Yeah, it makes me think of Costco
Everyone's complaining like oh, they say they want to defund the police. It's like back in the day
So things still aren't that bad
Florence was then hit by the same famine that had hit the rest of Italy and they had no money to import more grain
Because King Edward the third in England had borrowed over a million Florence to fund the hundred years war with France and King Edward
Had defaulted on his loan
This is also the middle of the hundred years war
Well, it's also the beginning of the hundred years war the hundred years war had started like about five or six years early
Hundred years were actually lasted for a hundred and sixteen years
And it was actually it was three different phases and there was like usually kind of a pause of about ten fifteen years between phases
But this is like right now so imagine like that in the hundred years war was the bloodiest conflict in medieval history
And that was also going on during the black plague. Okay, so it's like hockey you have two intermissions
By records when the plague hit Florence it quickly killed eight to ten thousand children
30,000 wool workers
600 notaries and lawyers and 60 physicians and surgeons well apparently Florence part of the reason why I got hit so hard is that it's main
I believe important export is wool. Yeah, and the one thing that rats like is a warm little bed
Because they used to go into all the wool needs sleeping in milk. Okay, which kill everybody next week
They would just come out of the wool mean like
You got it. Yeah, and the wool is then full of fleas which then jumped to the wool workers
Which then jumped to everybody else, right?
Yeah, I mean and really like the reason why things were so bad and some player worse than some players
And not as bad another it really was like these little things
Yeah, you know that's why this story this whole subject matter. It's so fascinating
Yeah, that's because it really is these little human factors that really shows and I don't know. I'm you know, we're obviously
I'm I'm at my wispy hairline deep into this and it's really nice to see all of these little societal
Things similarities and then obviously yeah, I mean technology. There's a lot of differences. Yeah, but there are a lot of human similarities as well
Oh, very much. So we'll get to the insane human similarities here in a bit a tragically one of the scribes who documented the plague in Florence so
Well was himself stricken down and the last thing he wrote in his plague journal was and the plague lasted until
Dot dot dot just before he died of the plague himself. I don't want to have a plague journal
Do we need hamburger
Diarrhea I can do sit down. We talk about our favorite hamburgers or favorite milkshakes
You wouldn't believe it avocado on a hamburger. I thought it was out there until I had it in here
It's great and my hamburger lasted until dot dot dot seven minutes ago
Another writer a poet named Giovanni Boccaccio
Wrote that he witnessed the rags of a popper who died from the plague being thrown in the street
Which attracted the attention of two street pigs
Yeah, you know tough them street pigs are the actual pigs you ever met the east side porkers
When you're a pig you're a pig all the way from your first turnip head to your last dying day
Every city had street pigs
Street pigs
I love it like Orson's brother from Garfield and friends. Yeah, we're mean
Street pigs yeah, man the pigs then did what pigs do and they snuffled around the rats. They are cute
Even when they're being horrible. Yeah. Yeah, and they rip the rags apart to extract the nutrients that were on the rags
Which is probably plague puss and blood
But yeah, cuz that's how you get beat into the east side porkers. You need a bunch of plague
A short time later Boccaccio wrote the pigs began to ride the round as if they'd been poisoned and both dropped dead to the ground
Suicide. Oh
Boccaccio wrote further that the plague went far beyond the citizens of Florence
Simply avoiding one another the fear of the plague was so great that brothers abandoned brothers
uncles their nephews sisters their brothers and wives their husbands as we've we'll see because these next two episodes were
Kind of going country by country to see they're the people's reactions to the plague in Italy
The fear response seems to be the biggest response where people just freaked out and
Bugged like as soon as they saw that their family was dying of the plague people just said peace and just went north sure
In some cases the fear was so overwhelming that quote
fathers and mothers
Refused to nurse and assist their own children as though they did not belong to them
And of course when death and chaos reigns bad men came to take advantage as they always do
Mm-hmm in Florence the most hated people in town were the grave diggers
You'll see which were called the bit genie in the Italian tongue. Oh, actually, I'm gonna give America
I'm gonna give an English the win on that one. Yeah, right digger is so much cooler than a
We calm grave diggers that when we act as if that's just what they do and they dig graves
This really is like if they all got together and decide to make a fucking gang
Well the Puccini adopted the motto those who live in fear die
And they descended upon the city like vultures
demanding huge fees for body disposal while drinking winching and
Corousing as the city died around them you use the word winching and
Corousing in a way that kind of makes it sound fun
But they weren't they were actually very dangerous
They were that's what the whole thing is that they would just be like, you know, we don't obviously we could let these bodies
I'll stay around here, but wouldn't it just be a shame something happened your fucking family
This is the beginning of the sanitation union the most powerful union in every local government
Yeah, eventually the people of Florence had to fear that gangs of drunken shovel wielding grave diggers
Would burst into their homes demanding ransom lest the Puccini
Murder them and pass their body off as just another plague victims
It's look like it's a time to make a summer work
We got to make the bodies ourselves. There's so many bodies. You can have
You want a fresh one? It's a nice. It's like oh and you'll get that nice a caprese
You get the nice little you get the one fresh
Motser a yeah, did Italians eat like Italian food then like as we see it today
I'm sure they had a nice Mutsudel. They did a food history pot. Yeah, I don't know if they had Baba ghouls
They might have I wonder when it all started
Yeah, well as far as where the Puccini were taking all these bodies most dead
Florentines ended up piled in the plague pits with thousands of other victims and
Interestingly these plague pits actually resulted in a change in the way Europeans perceived death
suddenly death was a very
personal thing an almost casual event endured in loneliness and
Anonymity that had all the gravitas of a sick animal dropping dead in the streets get it
I'm with that. Oh
Snude life where he's before one could be comforted by the thought of ceremony upon death and the possibility of resurrection come judgment day
The plague pits destroyed all notions of a romantic death
You might as well be a fucking dog and that only further increased the collective sense of
Existential dread because think about this you believe that God is doing this to you for your sense
Mm-hmm, so at some point while you did believe that God was gonna be the one that saved you
God was gonna be the one that you would give you the final absolution all of your sins
It's like oh God's doing this to us. We're alive. Yeah, you're gonna do when we die. What do we do?
Like they know daddy no mo. Yeah, hey Becky
What if I just a dude with like a travel passport to hell let's check out hell for a second
It's hot springs, but there is a couple of springs anything about fire little barbecue schmores
It's gotta be it's more of a char
Maybe we should think about Satan well God's going back on his promises, you know like the resurrection ain't happening anymore
Thank God cuz that's called a zombie apocalypse
Man, no those plague corpses came back and then just been like I hope you taped my shows
As far as how the black death
affected the way people in Florence lived their lives people reacted in one of four ways and this shows you how humans are still the
Fucking same today as they were back then the first was complete isolation in which citizens would lock themselves away in a comfortable home to live a
Life of sobriety and reduced risk these people had the highest survival rate and most of the time
They were also the richest people because they had a place to go they could do that
You know they could buy a whole shitload of cheese and meats and salted meats and just like okay
I'm gonna stay in here for a year. All right. Oh hashtag suffering. We're gonna be here
We're gonna just move a bit of a staycation
Videos though were they all saying imagine we could all relate to them
Well others believe that the only way to ward off the plague was to live life to the fullest
Giving in to every single craving or whim all while shrugging off the black death as the world's cruelest joke
Those people had the highest mortality rate
But you'd go to because they try to close all the brothels right, but you know what even I gave up strip clubs during COVID
So that actually so now I say no, that's not right
I just think of the place you went to a Nashville where as all the girls were massed up, but just the
Pussy's room I guess I guess it doesn't sneak up in there or sneak out
Well unless you go to Kwee first
That little fart of death
Sorry, go on in the brothels you'd go to
You'd also be amongst these at the time sex workers that were also a third of them dying of the plague as they were servicing everybody
So you go down to these like little spots where there would be people openly bleeding and like having the the boobos and
But they're still sucking your dick and everybody's drinking and shit just smoking opium just trying to be like
Fucking go to find me where I fall down
Most however took the more moderate third path they didn't isolate themselves completely nor did they carouse openly
But they instead carried flowers or fragrant herbs when they ventured outside
Which is supposed to ward off the plague. I actually know I think I'm part three. Yeah
Well, this is the technically this is the very stringent maskers group. Yeah
Yeah, and also the the flowers covered the stench of the dead in the dying. You're gonna want those
Yeah, I actually you know what I did my little life hack for my mask to stave off my horrible breath
Little chocolate bar in there. Sometimes you could literally like you get you choose some nice food beforehand that you get the food smells or gum
Mm-hmm, cuz it's like men fall mask. Yeah, you really figured it all out for me
It's the nicotine lozenges. They've been my constant companion for the last year and a half
I love them a spearmint smell follows me throughout my day. I didn't smell my breath at all
But there was also the fourth group the people who simply
Abandoned the cities for their homes in the country. Of course, that was also the people who could afford to do so
So one in four are your wealthy class the two in the middle are just like trying to survive this the best they can
Yes, city goers normal city goers
But it's like, you know, and then the other group was the ones just wealthy enough to abandon everybody
But then they brought the plague with them wherever they went. Yeah, right, okay
And speaking of abandonment if someone decided to leave the city while others in their family were sick
Family members suffering from the plague would often be left behind to die in the cruel list of ways
I wouldn't want it any less
I don't know about that to avoid what we might call an uncomfortable conversation
Instead of like ghosting somebody like they think that this was easier to do because it's literally ghosting someone
Yeah, you left them to die. Yeah, yeah, we'll become a ghost indeed
Yeah, well relatives would leave sweet meats water or wine next to the bed of the afflicted
Yes
And they would tell them hey, I'm gonna leave this here so you don't have to wake me up tonight
Like I'm gonna get a good night's sleep. I don't want you to wake me up
It's just you just take care of yourself for a little bit
Okay, you for days wait a second. Why do you have so many bags?
Why do you have all of your luggage and family? I'm just gonna mark it later. You brought all of your pictures of your loved ones
See, there is empty shadows on the walls because I saw this guy at the market yesterday
I was telling him how cute my family wasn't I wanted to show him
Then once the victim was passed out the relative would just sneak away and never return
When the victim awoke to find themselves alone, they figured out what happened. They'd crawl to the window and just
scream for help
But since no one could risk the infection the victims were just left to die by
Themselves in a pool of their own blood and vomit. Why don't they just do like uber eats?
I don't know the gig economy really could have saved them here
Yeah, totally by the end of it Florence had lost half their population
50,000 people and in the interim city officials had taken advantage of the chaos by stealing half a
Million gold Florence from the inheritance and estates of the dead scum bags
Well, sometimes they also just got it right because if everybody in the family died and then those who were supposed to inherit it
We're die. Yeah, you basically have all of these holdings that they would just sort of like I guess these are ours now
And that was they'd high-fived themselves and all of a sudden they all got super rich
It's like it's weird because again
It's very similar to the fact that you know how much money did Jeff Bezos make last year versus everybody else be
Economically devastated because now he can go to the Mars
Yeah, and I'm calling it the Mars from honesty
It's the breakaway civilization that we've been talking about for years and we are going to see them do it
Well, this was the beginning of trickle-up economics, which is really the world that we live in trickle-downs alive
Yeah, the only thing that trickles down is plague puss. Oh, that's good. I always say is the cost
Trickles down is the cost. I was gonna say the rivers of shit. Yeah, that's all
Okay
Now what's interesting about this particular strain of Yersinia Pestis is that in every single way the second plague pandemic was
Far deadlier than the third plague pandemic that came centuries later for starters
The black death traveled
Insanely fast especially when compared to the third plague pandemic which occurred in the 19th and 20th centuries when travel was
Exponentially faster see during the third plague pandemic the plague traveled eight miles a year in India and
20 miles a year in South Africa by contrast the black death of the second pandemic
Traveled 50 miles between Pisa and Florence in just two months and by the time it reached Paris and France
It was traveling two miles a day
Damn as per John Kelly's description the black death moved like a piranha spreading so quickly that some medieval doctors
Speculated that the disease was spread by nothing more than a passing glance. Oh, yeah, man
Side eye inside. I did it and while Yersinia Pestis now kills people up to six days after the first symptom show
the black death of the
1900s sometimes killed people within three days of exposure sometimes faster
With symptoms far worse than what we see with the modern plague back then it was gangrene
uncontrollable vomiting and a bloody infectious cough in addition to everything else and those were the good old days
Yeah, do you think it also had something to do with the famine and how everybody had been weakened and what they now know
Which we've been saying for years, which is a really funny
We got vindicated that the the statement what doesn't kill you makes you stronger actually shows for the immune system
That is not true. No, not true. Not true
There are many factors that we're about to go into but furthermore while the death tolls during the black death was high as
60% in the population in some cities the third plague pandemic never claimed more than 3% of any of the populations that struck
You know, it's the struggle of being an immigrant's child. What's that?
It's the kind of lofty things that the child the third pandemic held up to because like, you know, the second wave
I don't know what the second wave plague was just being like, you know, we killed 60% in our day
We have 60% of people mean while the third plague pandemic is like, you know playing video games on the couch till they're 29
Sure. Well, it's World War two the greatest generation that spawned the boomers. Yeah
Yeah
Now as far as why the second plague was so much worse than the third
It doesn't just come down to the fact that medicine was so much better in the Victorian age than it was in medieval times
Because it can't be that much better. It was still better
I mean that they still weren't fucking it doing surgeries based on the position of the stars by the Victorian ages
You know, there was one doctor who's just like, I'm just gonna try coming on it
I'm pretty certain I had a dentist in Los Angeles that used astrology to talk about my mouth. Oh, that's great
That's what I want to hear. It's a new moon. Do I have a cavity or not?
Remember the black death was a bacteria not a virus and as opposed to viral infections that leave behind a core of immune
survivors, your synopsis does not produce any
Immunity in its victims you get it once you can get it again
That meant that the plague introduced a second mortality
Because even the people who didn't catch the deadlier plague strains still died because the people who would have cared for them
We're already dead or if they didn't want a risk getting it again
They find themselves in a conundrum really absolutely and because the people who got it the worst were the helpers
Yeah, people that would help you they got it the worst and they died and there were certain
monasteries at the time because while
Largely and this is true the church abandoned its people quite a bit, but there were certain sex and like I want to say the
Dominicans and the people underneath the Francis of Assisi
They were the ones that would go out these these monks
They would show up and basically take care of you while you died and then they themselves died and the problem that the reason
Why they didn't last very long all of those orders because they all died
Yeah, right entire entire monasteries would be just wiped out
But they were trying to do something good they were trying and I do wonder at 7 p.m
If people clang pots and pans around for them just so they could feel that so hear the sound of working in the kitchen
Well furthermore the streets were dirtier and even more rat infested because the street sweepers were all dead and the
Malnourished became even more so because the farmers who would have grown the food and the
Cevadors who would have brought it to the city were also dead. Okay. I was gonna guess that yep
But perhaps the simplest explanation of why the second plague pandemic was so much deadlier than the third
Was because while there were different strains going around the main strain was probably a particularly
virulent strain of the marmot plague and don't worry
Marmot plague we talk about the de bargain marmot that we all know that last week
The de bargain marmot? Yeah. They were around man and these these fucking marmots them their gerbils the hamsters each one of these fucking little
They're a little beady eyes, and we're supposed to feed them nuts all day. No when they're stealing our pizza
Russian scientists who have studied the marmot plague in contrast to the rat or gerbil plagues
Say that the marmot plague is more virulent because the toboggan marmot has lived with the plague for a longer period of time
You can't mess with the toboggan marmot. They will never die
No, and don't worry the a various governments around the world have been trying to figure out how to
Properly weaponize the plague for a very long time and one of those
I remember this one statement from there was a major general Nikolai Urkoff who was the during the fucking
This is like the 70s in the USSR where he basically said he would shout to his staff
I only want one strain of our plague weapon the marmot plague
My god
Weaponize the toboggan marmot much like the penguin did to penguins and Batman to Batman returns
I believe that would be really fun because then you are gonna die
But you can also be like hi marmot fucking put them in little wigs
Yeah, I'll tell dresses and you send them at our soldiers and when they're a horniness of business of war
They start having sex with these marmots
They bite off of our soldiers penis and then what they do is decrease the breeding amongst our strongest
Yeah toboggan marmots running around with a bunch of dicks in their mouths and it's a long road to walk. Yep
I got there though you did it you did it
But since the marmot lived with the plague longer the marmot evolved to resistance the plague in turn
Evolved to become more virulent so it could kill the marmot this whole thing is about marmots again
It's another one of these little rats
And by the time the marmot plague jumped to humans
It had become the deadliest plague strain ever encountered by man before or since
And so when the plague hit Sienna and the Tuscany region of Italy in 1348
Bodies were stacked in plague pits and a thin layer of dirt was thrown on top
More bodies were stacked on top of that with another layer of dirt and so on and so forth like so much lasagna
By the way, it's a comparison made by the Italians at the time and not a cheap shot made by me against the Italians
They call the lasagna style pit plagues. Oh, that's I'm so I'm so happy they did that
I want to see the plague themed diners driving
The guy Fieri would do about this like this idea of just been like I put this on a flip flop
So that does answer your question they did have lasagna back then great because they did compare it
Okay, the problem with the lasagna method is that the top layer of dirt was still a thin layer of dirt, right?
Like like a good lasagna. Yeah, but too heavy on top
Yeah
So wild dogs dragged the bodies out of the ground and littered the city of Sienna with the limbs of plague victims
Ripped off their dead bodies by animals who also carried the plague. Oh, that's just Borgie. He wants to play catch
Just throw the leg there
Borgie come back boy
Concerning mortality Sienna was by far at the hardest hit in all of Italy
60% of the population including 52,000 in the city and 28,000 in the countryside died of the black death
But estimates at the time put the mortality rate as high as
84% oh my god
But once the black death burned its way through Italy it moved on to France
Which is where we'll pick back up next week for the black death part three. Yeah
Oh my goodness next week. We're gonna see some naughty popes very naughty popes very sexy fun popes
Okay, we're going to see a little bit more of the even more modern
Sort of view of the plague how they will experience a plague. We're going to France then we're going to England
People guess what also got all fucked up. Yeah travel around the world and I got the black death
Um, and then also next week. We'll talk about more of the social repercussions of the plague. We'll talk a little bit about the anti-Semitism
They came about and what we were looking for like because everyone was looking for who did this stuff go? Yeah, absolutely
Yeah, and also some of them were looking to wipe out their loans, but we'll get into that next week
We will get into that next week. Thank you all so much for listening. I hope you're doing well out there
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We got in the middle of the show with a great joke. You told I heard mr. Bigg is coming
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I think so
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The meet and greet for Whedon is none of the end of June. It is at the end of July
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Yeah, dude, I'm actually just gonna leave you with this salami and this wine and then you go to bed
Yeah, I should I are actually just gonna be right next door and okay, but wait a second
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