Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 460: The Black Death Part V - Mark Of The Beaver
Episode Date: July 9, 2021On the final episode of our Black Death series, we explore the "Kingdom of the Rats" and find out how the rivers of pus and blood and puke finally stopped for Europe's beleaguered people. Also, we det...ail the ways in which the Bubonic Plague left its indelible mark on human civilization.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0
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There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left
That's when the cannibalism started
My mental Mori, baby
It's time to remember that you are gonna die
This is the most metal-fucking ending of the series, dude
Lucky, get into it, man
Awesome
Welcome to the last podcast
I love chunky Ozzy on the Oz boys
Welcome to the last podcast on the left, everyone
I am Ben, hanging out with Henry
And of course, Marcus Parks
Today's episode, this is the climax of a long, disgusting road of blood, guts and pus
We are on to part five of the Black Death
Yes, yes, yes
And please, Ben, do not forget the blood mixed with the vomit
You know, man, I actually want to publicly apologize for forgetting that
Thank you
I am sorry, Marcus, and I am sorry, Henry
The blood and the vomit
Did I tell you what, man, this trip, this whole saga has taken me from lutes to flutes
Now I'm listening to, I listened to some Bard Corp
But last night, I got deep into folk metal
I got Skyclad, have you ever listened to Skyclad?
I never have
But I did see some great folk metal, I saw a great folk metal concert at BB King's a few years ago
Can't remember a single fucking band that I saw, but they were amazing
The Widdershins Jig
The Widdershins Jig
Widdershins Jig
If you want to go out there, like, can't imagine better music to watch an entire village die too
Yeah
Yeah, I saw some folk metal band open for tear, like, many years ago
And it was fucking insanely fantastic
It was like, six, it was a medieval, like, quartet standing next to like two Scandinavian metal guys
Fucking shredding the whole time, some girl that's seeing it in the highest register possible
Yes, that's great, I do love it
I will say I ordered several tunics, because I wanted to do a bit of a medieval photo shoot
To promote, you know, people love my body
Of course
And they're delayed, what the fuck is going on here?
Another result of the current epidemic
Wow, you are a victim
You're a victim in every way
One of these days, the jerkin industry will recover, Henry, and you'll be there right at the beginning
It's been 800 years
Okay, can we get to the Black Death part five, please
So when we last left the Black Death, Yersinia Pestis had entered England through port cities in the west
Like Bristol and Weymouth, which was actually called Malcolm Regis in 1348
I was partly correct
I mean, you know, we just don't, I don't want to take anything from Weymouth
Anything because, you know, apparently they have a very nice amusement park
And it's one of what I, one e-mailer said it was the nicer beaches in England
If you could call what we call beaches nice
Well, isn't that fantastic, and it's one of the nicer ones
Wow
And the plague had been carried to the island on ships that had been fighting the Hundred Years' War with France
Now, the plague certainly killed quite a few people in those cities and in various towns as it made its way east
But the English city that would bear the brunt of the plague, both in 1348 and in the last big outbreak of the second plague pandemic, was London
Can we get a big bell sound here?
Can we get a bell sound?
I think you just did it
I also wanted that I thought was interesting about the shit, all the booty coming back from the Hundred Years' War
And how that also helped spread the plague
So how do we talk? You said shit and booty
Shit and booty
People going and getting like the prizes from war, like people brought back the spoils of war
People brought back the fashions of France, because that was the height of medieval garb was in France at the time
And so people would go around in these unwashed Parisian dresses, fresh from dead, raped women
And they just went all the way through France and stole all of this shit and they're wearing it and they are very proud to show off all of their new fashions
But they're covered in fleece
So because that's what happens when I guess fashion is pain
When you shop at your goodwill, make sure you gotta kind of spray some stuff off, perhaps there's some bugs in there and whatnot
But why do they call it the spoils of war? Because it seems so fun and fresh, doesn't it?
I think when you hear spoils, you're like they just brought home a bunch of rotten tomatoes or someone's grandmother
Why is it called spoils?
I don't know, that's a bad question
It's actually a really good question
Also sort of making a joke, also kind of just talking
I don't fucking know
There might not be an answer
I'm sure it's some sort of arcane use of the word spoils and probably our modern term spoils, spoiled spoils
Probably comes from that spoils of war
I have no fucking clue, now I'm just talking
Now it's a good point because if you're spoiled, maybe you had too much and then you're spoiled and you're spoiled rotten
I want to start right now by saying first of all, all dictionaries are made up
Words are made up, letters aren't real
But we still have to find a way
That's the only way we can communicate
Nothing's real, there's no objective truth
There is some, there is some
Now while we've gotten a bit of guff for really hammering home the squalor angle of 14th century Europe
There can be absolutely no arguments surrounding the amount of filth and feces that covered London for centuries
And still
Yeah
The principal sewage dumping ground in London was the Fleet River
Where all the private outhouses emptied out
And it was sometimes filled with so many turds
That ships couldn't pass through its waters
Oh my, I've seen a lot of turds in my day
I've never seen so many god damn brown logs in my life
Can you imagine the turd that sank the shitannock?
Oh, shit burger head
But those are just the outhouses near the river
Other privies emptied their toilets into cesspools
And those became so full that one turd wrangler named Richard the Raker actually drowned in one after he accidentally fell in
Oh no, I dropped my night guard in there
Oh no
I better get down and go man oh there's all these other night guards in here
Oh god
You're gonna want that night guard for later
Do you remember when you dropped your, when we were on the road Marcus
And we stopped at that Burger King and you had your Invisalign braces
And you accidentally left it at the Burger King bag and then you had to go through the trash dump to look for the
But they were in the bag
Yeah they were in the bag
And she was right on top there
Yeah I was not in any way grossed out
It was you that I had to calm down
I was very upset about it
I was grossed out
Well it was weird scene when your best friends you know kind of just shuffling through the trash at a Burger King
And then he pulls out the thing that's so intimately next to his gums
And then he just kind of padded it on his leg and he's like ah it's fine
And he just like sucked it back in
It was fine
It was nothing happened
It's got an old west, he's got a whole western bloodline in him
That's 2021
Yeah
Now London in 1348 was relatively small
When the streets were empty it took only 20 minutes to walk the city from end to end
But during the daylight hours that same small space was crammed with 60,000 people
Along with an equal number of chickens, cows, dogs, cats, oxen, geese and horses
And as John Kelly put it, all of this mayhem was all compressed into lanes barely wide enough for a fat man to turn around in
And you know fat men love to spin
Well they have to
As far as where the action was and therefore where the plague spread
You had places like the shambles and Butcher's Row
And these two places together were essentially a shopping mall and a slaughterhouse right next to each other
And both were filled with toothless, stinking, screaming Londoners
This is back when people were really people
That's right, that's tough
I remember that
I like that
It sounds like a dangerous place to be a chicken though
Because they'll just grab you right off the street and cut your head off
And next thing you know you're being fed to the masses
Any chicken within 15 feet of me is in a dangerous place
I agree with that
I actually recently unearthed a plague sanitation station
I didn't know you saw that
They saw it is this stone
It's this little opulence
And I guess it would start being proliferated throughout Europe
Where it would have vinegar in it
Like a pile of vinegar in it to encourage people to sanitize their hands as they walked throughout their day
Much like we got going on right now
So everyone smelled like vinegar as well
I mean vinegar is better than liquid shit
Is it?
Yeah I love vinegar
If everyone smelled like vinegar I'd be fine with it
I think they also smelled like liquid shit though
Yeah vinegar mixed with liquid shit
Yeah it's that thing of like if you mix five pounds of shit and five pounds of ice cream
You just get ten pounds of shit
I think about that every day
And they never make my order at Cold Stone
And I've said shit on that ice table
Shit on the ice table
And they just refuse to do it
You gotta go to France
Yeah
Speaking of toothless Londoners
Back in the Middle Ages
People believed that toothaches
This is just a little aside
People believed that toothaches were the result of tiny worms eating into your teeth
And the only fix was to burn a sweet smelling candle
In the person's mouth to draw the hungry worms out
Hear me out, hear me out everyone
Toothbrush
Hear me out
You guys think a toothbrush might work
What?
I have a product here it's worked on mine
I think toothbrushes are gay
Oh my god
But also because they thought that
They thought worms resided in the body at all times
And that when we died that the worms were then just released
Oh like they said you break man from Nightmare Before Christmas
Man we were really almost there
Like the 14th century is when humanity was just almost there on everything
Yeah
Now apart from the shambles
You also had Cheapside
Which is home to 4,000 individual market stalls
Hundreds of musicians and beggars
Countless rogues and scallowags
And 14th century celebrities
Like the great sea captain Sir Walter Manny
And Canterbury Tales author Geoffrey Chaucer
Oh very nice
You mentioned how it was full of musicians and beggars
As if they weren't the same person
I think it was beggars who were singing
Desperate, desperate for attention
But if you got a song you don't need money
Because you got rhythm in your pockets
And you got drums in your pants
Man you're really figuring out how to be a producer
But the busiest place in London behind Cheapside
Was the Thames Riverfront
Where ships from every nation came every day
To trade from the dock
But at night that harbor became
In John Kelly's words
The Kingdom of the Rat
The Kingdom of the Rat
That's really cool
That's fun
What a fun time to be a rat
It's not a fun time to be a rat
I guess they are on charge
The rats are totally dominated
Oh also a bit of an update
And this is why we did a fifth episode
It was because there's another person implicated here
What?
Apparently
Honestly this is kind of a shock to me
I don't like fucking with a hustler
I don't like fucking with a hustler's game
I don't want to fuck with somebody who's super, super busy
But apparently
It seems to be new evidence has come to light
That 5,000 years ago the first evidence
Of why Pestis came from, yes
A beaver
A beaver
A beaver
Scientists have found the earliest known strain of plague
In the remains of a 5,000 year old hunter-gatherer
They think that he was bitten by a beaver
By a beaver
Because he's got the beaver mark
Be very careful that body has the mark of a beaver
Mark of the beaver
Is there any evidence that it came
Do they know why Pestis isn't any sort of beaver
Did they just say a guy got bit by a beaver
And they think that just because he got bit by a beaver
That's what gave him why Pestis
Let me throw some science words at you
An analysis of samples from the man's teeth and bones
Revealed that he was likely the only one among those
Buried with the disease
Researchers reconstructed the bacteria's genome
Using genome sequencing
And believed the bacteria was likely part of a lineage
That emerged roughly 7,000 years ago
Which is, oh wait
I'm looking at this article and I don't know how they know it was beaver fleece
Alright, very good answer by Henry
But they're saying it's a beaver
They're calling it a beaver
And I don't know why they're doing it
But honestly now we have to too
Well he had the mark of the beaver
So as London slept each night
Thousands of rats descended on the city
From ships that came from all over Europe
Bringing plague from the water
As the black death marched from the west
To bring Yersinia Pestis by land
This plague in the water
This plague in the water
That's a great song, DMB
Now when the plague first hit London
In September of 1348
The country attempted to keep some semblance of normality
The royal courts didn't stop
And tax collectors kept collecting taxes
Oh my god, that's so sweet how they kept the normality
How they just heard like
Yes, everyone's devastated, no one has any money
But we don't want to mess up their...
We don't want to kerfluffle the flow
Yeah, you don't want tax man
They actually had a stock market there
Where they sold stocks to put people in
And you don't want to affect that
You don't want to affect that
Well at this point in time
Remember that England is engaged in the Hundred Years War with France
So there is a lot of money
That has to go into Gwip and France's ass
And remember this is a hundred and sixteen year war
So that's where the taxes are going
And that's why they have to keep collecting money
Not have to, but that's why they are collecting money
Back then they had a lot of money invested in drone warfare
It was just a man with a blindfold on being led in
With I guess a bunch of playgrounds
I mean I feel like you could have distracted
A whole French military wing with just a couple of ducks and hats
They love such fun stuff
It used to be a very willing and intense adversary of the French
Yeah, the French used to be the most feared adversary in all of Europe
They were number one for hundreds of years
Okay
Tell a different group of people to come around
Oh, you're talking about your people
You're talking about the fucking Germans
You're talking about what happened, what your lineage is all stamped with
But that's the thing is that King Edward
He was paying a lot more attention to his war with France than he was the plague
Because remember King Edward had already lost his daughter, Princess Joan, to the plague in France
Before it had even reached England
So his reaction upon the plague's arrival in London was more apathetic than anything else
He just didn't fucking care
But as more and more people died, apathy turned to fear
And the beloved king fled to his palace in the countryside
Several kings did live
One thing I found interesting going through the great courses was how many ruling bodies died almost entirely from the plague
Every single one in this country, I believe the Council of Twelve was almost completely wiped out in Italy
I think what they were was called the Council of Seven in France
I'm not quite certain if that's the actual term
They're all fucking dead
They killed everybody on the up top too
Which almost been nice to see senators that afraid
You know what I mean? Like watch them all scurry and run
That would be really fun to see
You can watch it
It just happened recently
I know
The New York Times did a great expose on the January 6th right as a matter of fact
Check that out if you want to go on to YouTube
But senators scared, it is something that happens
It's nice
Yeah
Now unfortunately we don't have as vivid of accounts of the 1348 London plague as we do from say the plague in Florence
Because London produced no great plague chroniclers
What?
Well we do have
Yeah they just didn't
It was so strange to me
Isn't it weird?
It ripped through the writing class
It ripped through the clerical class really really quickly
So then some people had guys that had the forethought
Like I need to write down all of this shit that's happening
But it just ripped through ink
Right
Yeah
What we do have though is a short eerie account from a man named Thomas Vincent
He wrote that London was beset by a dismal solitude
With closed stores, empty streets, and a deep silence in almost every corner of the city
By his account the only sounds were the groans of the sick and dying
Punctuated by death knells endlessly emanating from churches
They really did talk, several people mentioned that in England
That that was the soundtrack
And specifically London
London crying and pain
He was going all night
And then here in LA the streets were deserted
And the moans were people starting their only fans accounts
Isn't that nice, very very exciting
Having fun
Very nice, very good
Now as we said last episode
London did make some attempt at treating their plague dead
With as much respect as they could muster
Even on days when carts usually reserved for manure
Showed up full to the burial pits
That's all they had
That was the only thing big enough to carry all these bodies
Well I mean I guess we are literally bags of shit
So it's just shit kind of carrying human ba-
Human bags of shit so it's still full of manure
We're just piles of shit that can get diplomacy
Yeah
Now on those days if the line was too long
And the body had to be held above ground for a day or two
The bodies would be stuffed with charcoal and ash
To slow the putrification process
Because remember a lot of people believed the plague was spread by smell
And once the body was ready to take its place in the earth
It would be laid in a trench in a casket or a shroud
Side by side with thousands of other bodies all laid
With their head to the west and their feet to the east
Sorted by gender and age when possible
Because in England they did really try
Specifically that's what you see in accounts
Is that they tried to have respectful burials for the dead
And not just dump everybody in giant plague pits
I mean can't I lay with a woman even when I'm dead
Why are you gonna separate us by gender
They should have gone with one boy, one girl, one boy, one girl
They're going to have fun and then they can procreate little skeleton babies
Well in England and actually across all of Europe
The one thing that the plague actually did was really create will culture
Almost you could say, like the idea of saying
Make people like really understand
You need to figure out what's gonna happen to your body
And all of your shit after you die
So people did start making more specific requests
About how they wanted to bury
So you can be buried 69 style
Whatever woman that's near you who also dies in your neighborhood
If you want to, Kissel
And then she also requests that
Yes
That's great, well Puffin has no choice
Jerry has no choice
Good dogs
So that's great
When you mentioned will culture
I would not get what you were saying
But then I was also like, I make lids look good
I make this grave look good
That's what they tried to do that
And they would dress you up in your finest
The bust of you dresses your finest in the very top
Did they really dress them in their nicest clothes
They did, I mean in London they really did try
As hard as they possibly could
I mean they tried harder than some people did here
In fucking New York last year
There was just, they're passing naked musician beggars
Give them the clothes, okay
When I'm dead
My clothes will go to the largest kids around
I don't care
Now you cut them up, you fucking clothe the whole family
Sure
You have to seal those huge kids riffling through your mansion
After you die like your seven-easer Scrooge
Nice
How did he get a size 14 sock?
My neighbor died
Well now I put my lunch in it
Now legend had it that certain plague pits
Like the cemetery in East Smithfield
Buried 200 corpses per day during the Black Death
Which would have put London's mortality rate
At a stunning 65 to 80%
Dang
Today however
The estimates at East Smithfield are closer to 18,000 bodies
Which puts the estimated mortality rate at London
At little less than 50%
Putting the post-plague population at 35,000
Down from 60
Oh my god
That's just low enough for a politician to deny its existence
I don't know
Now as per John Kelly's assessment
The plague in London, both in 1348
And the later outbreak of 1665
These things left imprints on the British DNA
For example, this is an excerpt from a chilling poem
About the discovery of a plague ship
Written a couple hundred years later
Called the Black Death of Virgen
Sad the search and fearful finding
On the deck lay parched and dry
Men who in some burning blinding climb
Had laid them down to die
Hands prayer clenched that would not sever
Eyes that stared against the sun
Sights that haunt the soul forever
Poisoning life till life is done
Aye aye aye
Oh dear, dear
Aye aye aye
No, those are some fucking slayer lyrics, man
I'm not sad enough
Sight that haunt the soul forever
Put an inked life till life is done
That's awesome
I mean really sad and devastating
But that's a really good poem
That's a thing that's metal though at the same time
No, the entire poem is beautiful
It's very long, but it is absolutely
It's a gorgeous poem, The Black Death of Virgen
By Lord Dufferin
Oh, there also was sort of a
Sort of at the time urban legend
It's kind of come out now
And there's some truth to it
To the idea that the plague
Throughout all of the island of the UK
Like through England
It destroyed entire villages
And that entire villages would be gone
They called them ghost villages
Essentially like we call ghost towns
Where they said that they would show up
And you just see animals
Like one donkey walking
And that the entire village is dead
And now they're saying they don't know
If that's completely true
But there are some evidence that shows
There are these like uninhabited spots
Where they like it seemed like
Five or six houses were built up
Maybe a small market
And then it just got got everybody
In a hot second
Yeah, well I mean
Well as I always said last episode
It was like a lot of those towns
What they think happen now
Is that those towns were kicked
In the stomach real hard by the great famine
And then the black death
And came and just finished them off
And then there's also the straight up thing
Of people running
Because that was also
We saw it again in 1994
There was a plague outbreak in India
And they talk about one of the big things
That happened again
Again, fucking six hundred years later
People heard the plague was coming
And they just went to the big cities
They just heard their way like
Oh no my buddy got plague
It's time to make a trip to China town
Like they literally went straight to downtown Delhi
And they were very lucky
It was only five thousand cases of it
It's like five hundred dead
Now the black death by no means stopped in London
Rather it blew right through
And carried the plague to East Anglia
Which prior to the plague
Was the most populated region in England
East Anglia is one of the places
Where the plague mortality averages in England
Were raised
Because while the country had an overall
Mortality rate of thirty to forty five percent
East Anglias was devastatingly higher
Norwich for example lost seventy percent
Of its population during the black death
And that's confirmed
Fourteen thousand people
And in one manner
Twenty one families out of fifty
Were cut down like so much wheat
Behind a swinging size
The Reaper of Nights
Man, it would be nice if the Reaper
Up out with some farm work every now and again
No, no, no, this scythe is for show, bro
I'm too many on the farm, dude
Reaper, it seems like you're kind of a pussy, bro
No?
Yeah
I have allergies, dude
But in Norwich, people were not as precious
With the dead as the gravediggers had been in London
Nor were they as cruel as the sinister
Petini and Florence
Instead, the bodies were so numerous in Norwich
That they were treated almost like dead livestock
By one account of a doctor
People tripped over the dead in the streets
And an endless stream of manure carts
Could be seen tilting loads of corpses into huge pits
While the stench of putrefaction palpitated through the air
Can I ask a true question?
Why not just get a bunch of lighter fluid?
I know they don't have it
But why don't they just burn these bodies?
Because they thought that the air coming from it would kill you
That would be the worst possible thing to do
In their mind, that would be the worst
If you wanted to kill the entire city, that's what you would do
But I think that would be wrong, though
Because it feels like buying them
Correct
That would have been the best thing to do
Yes
Because, technically, it allowed more rats to come
And the fleas and all of a sudden you got a beaver there
Jerking off in the corner
Him and his buddy and other gerbils there
Just fucking doing whip and saying
Like, tonight's gonna be the fucking best night of our lives
That is the drug a gerbil would do
They're crazy, but they also can cook a little bit
That's ratatouille
I know
Ratatouille's fake
I didn't watch it
It's not real
I haven't seen it, but
Well, one story of familial near extinction in Norfolk
A woman named Emma Gosselin was engaged in a dispute
With her husband Reginald over her dowry
And she'd taken her husband to court to settle the problem
No idea what the problem was, though
I mean, honey, we're going through a massive global pandemic
Do we have to argue about the shoes right now?
Seriously
It was a fucking exclusive drop
I had to get these shoes
Yeah, I just don't
I had to get these shoes
Everyone's dying, babe
I know, I know
And that's why the shipping's slow
But, you know, I gotta get these goosebumps
High tops, man
You better
By records, Emma had planned to bring several witnesses
To testify on her behalf
For whatever her reason for taking her husband to court
But when her court date finally came
Just a few months later
Emma Gosselin showed up alone
Because both her husband and all of her witnesses
Had all died of the plague since
Dude, this chick had this so planned out
And she fantasized about the judge crying
Looking at her with sympathy
The knife is gonna be sweet
I can't wait to get out of this
And then everybody dies
She was going to destroy her husband one witness
At a time
And she didn't get to do that
It is very difficult to have Stella get her groove back
During the bubonic plank
Yeah, that's too bad
That sucks
The groove is decidedly gone
No more grooves are all filled with dead bodies
As far as how people treated each other
In England during the Black Death went
They were mostly free of the anti-Semitism
That had infected mainland Europe
Instead, England was awash
With a rogue's gallery of scala-wags
Who took advantage wherever they could
What is the legal definition of scala-wag?
Believe you, Rupert
Or a popper-don't-er
Oh, a popper-don't-er
A popper-don't-er as I thought
As a father who took his liberties with his children
I don't
I think a scala-wag is somebody who's...
A scoff-law?
More like a scoff-law
Yeah, scoffing the law
A scala-wag
Oh, here we go
The scala-wag definition
A person who behaves badly
But in an amusingly mischievous
Rather than a harmful way
Arrest them
That's not true
Scala-wags were from Clockwork Orange
Those guys were a scala-wag
And they killed and did a whole bunch of horrible stuff
Yep
I think that's the modern term for scala-wag
Back in the 14th century
You didn't want to come into contact with a scala-wag
Scala-wag's gonna fuck you up
Steal all your money
Absolutely
They actually called white Southerners
Who collaborated with the Northern Republicans
During reconstruction scala-wags
Well, isn't that nice?
Huh
So maybe that's now
We can just take that as a term of like
Yeah, I'm a scala-wag
Yeah, cool
Yeah, fuck
If you want to identify as a scala-wag
Go for it
As far as these scala-wags went
There was one day William
Who was a priest
Who robbed people six days a week
And celebrated mass on the 7th
It's a fucking premiere television show
Six on, one off
Yeah, yeah
You also had Henry Annes
Who specialized in scamming people
With bogus tax fraud schemes
Specifically, Henry told people
That he had a full-proof method
For avoiding the death tax on inherited properties
But he would only reveal this method
If the customer agreed to a heavy price
It's always been here, man
I know
I'm just thinking of the guy
Who I know is actually a good dude
But the dude covered in question marks
The guy in the suit
Oh, Matthew Usko
Yeah, he's not
But wow, that is amazing
There's still entrepreneurship
Even then, isn't that nice
One woman named Alice Bakeman, for example
Gave Henry one of her best milking cows
In exchange for this hot tip
Now, of course, the tip was always bogus
But by the time the tax authorities saw through the ruse
Henry Annes was always long gone
Now, I got this new cow to fuck
Isn't that nice
But those were the more clever thieves
Who operated during the Black Death
Most thieves, like William Siggy
Simply operated in a manner that today
Will be more accurately described
As meth-head crimes
Oh, very nice
Copper stripping
Well, yeah, dude
Being late to doctor's appointments
You mock
And you laugh at the copper stripper
But they make a lot of good money
And it ain't easy to do
Dude, Siggy stole pots and pans
From dead neighbors' cottages
Altered the boundary of another
Dead neighbors' farm to expand his own
And he regularly stripped the lead
From other dead neighbors' roofs
Like so much construction site copper
Wow
This guy had it all worked out
Right now, he would just be on a show
Called Extreme Moonshiners
Extreme Black Plagers
Exactly
I'll make this plague look good
This next one
This is the Extreme Black Plager
Catherine Bugsy
No one knew how Catherine Bugsy
Survived as long as she did
But her specialty was stripping the clothing
From the plague dead
And reselling them
Spreading even more plague
I'll tell you more secret
Are eight fleas
You eat fleas
Okay, tolerance
Oh, you look serial
Yeah
And I'm looking to bought my tongue
No kisses there
That's what I call them
No kisses to beg my frow
It seems to work
Were there people who were not susceptible
To the plague?
Catherine Bugsy, apparently
Because we see obviously with our
More recent social experiment
Of what we've had going on
Some people just straight up
Don't get the new virus
You want to hear a quote that comes right out
Of fucking 2021 from 1300?
This is from the year 600
The plague of Justinian
And the same shit that we're dealing with now
Whether by chance or providential design
The pestilence strictly spanned the most wicked
Oh, so Miss Bugsy, not very good
No, and there was also like we talked about last week
That someone had written on the walls
I think of Bristol
That was like only the dregs remain
That was what people wrote over and over
And over again during the Black Death
Is that only the worst people
Survived until the end of it
Alright, take a look at yourself
You're shitting your own
Freaking intestines out of your ass
Right now and vomiting everywhere
So maybe you're the dregs
Whoa
Whoa, wow
Victim blaming
I'm not victim blaming
I'm just saying
Just because I'm not sick
Doesn't mean that I'm lesser than you
Well, I mean it was mostly they were looking at people
Like Catherine Bugsy
Who was stripping dead people naked
And then spreading the plague to other people
They shouldn't have buried them in their nicest clothes
I don't know why I have to do that
I don't know what happened
You turned into a puppet
I mean other than the resale
Without the washing
You just saw your little kiss
The resale just actually transformed
He's like wearing a suit
He's got a little bow tie
His hair is put into a pompadour
What happened
You just turned into Tucker Carlson
Of the Black Death
$100,000 for 15% of your company, Miss Bugsy
Well, I mean the reason why they saw this is because
And I get it because the good people tried helping
Like they tried helping the sick
They didn't want to abandon people to the death
And they didn't run
So of course all those people died
And other people that were just the absolute fucking worst
Were the ones who survived till the end
And now we know that the Black Death
Is also one of the main inspirations for Billy Joel's
Only the good die young
Isn't that nice?
Yeah, when Catherine Bugsy was finally arrested
With a dead woman's leather jerkin
She's the picture of health
The picture of health for 13 hundreds and 19
I got two tapes too
That's amazing, no one else has any
Fuck this woman
Absolutely rabbit gal, two teeth
Now eventually the plague began to make its way
North, where it ravaged Yorkshire
Amidst a small peasant rebellion
That occurred when the labor class
Refused to pay fines amidst all of the widespread death
And by what some people say could have happened
The Black Death very well may have stopped in Yorkshire
And not crossed over to Scotland
Or at least not crossed over in great numbers
But when the Scots heard that a horrific disease
Was ripping through the hated English
They became convinced that this was specifically
An English problem that couldn't affect the Scots
Yeah man
I love the drunk logic of the Scots
I blame beer
Yes, this is just such a...
In fact the Scots were actually laughing
At the widespread devastation
They thought the plague ripping through England
Was the funniest fucking thing they ever saw
And they were swearing by the foul death of England
And eventually this jubilation turned into
Pig-headed overconfidence
No way
Not the Scots
And in 1350 the Scots amassed an army
Near the forest of Selkirk
Fully prepared to invade England
And take it as their own
We're gonna get it boys, I'll get the whole damn thing
And they were like, it's true
They created a massive war party
And they all got hammered
They're all like, we're gonna fucking get
No, we're gonna get them tonight
They're all slapping each other in the face
Fueled by Iron Brew
And they all believed that they were immune from the plague
That they wouldn't get it
Look at this cool little fucking...
I got so excited, my neck is expanding
Like I'm one of those dangerous...
It is
You remember that, look at that, I'm a Diploceros
Yeah, looks like you're choking on a big egg there
What's wrong with me?
I don't know
I must be hungover before I start to drink
Yeah, I think that was the problem
Yeah, they thought they were immune
Just because they were Scottish
And the reason why the Black Plague...
You gotta love it
And the reason why the Black Plague
Hadn't just like ran its way up through Scotland
Like it did the rest of England
The reason why it was a little slower
Was because Scotland's fucking cold
Like it doesn't have...
The weather is horrible for the Black Plague
But the fucking Scots on the border
Before they could even wage one attack
The Black Death found its way into the Scottish camp
Oh, man
5,000 Scots very quickly died on the border
While the rest, infected and carrying plague rats
In their wake, retreated
All while the English followed and killed
As many Scots as they could
Because it's definitely like, go, go, we're going
And then 5,000 guys die
Time to go home
We gotta go here too
Man, I can just see the Black Plague
Having to go to that store
And get a little Black Plague jacket
And a little Black Plague hat
So they can go into Scotland
Because it's so cold
Those that survived the battles with the English
Brought the plague to Scotland in large numbers
And killed a large chunk of their population
When there was really no need for them to do so
Although it did only kill a third
Of the Scottish population
Instead of like, you know, up to 45%
Because it was cold
So the only reason that it even affected Scotland at all
Is because they went to it to yell at it
And then it was just like, I'm a virus
I don't, it's bacteria
So it doesn't matter, it doesn't care
He probably would have gotten there anyway
Because it did eventually go with trading routes
So it would eventually get there, I imagine
Because it did go all over Europe
So it would have gotten there
But they definitely accelerated it
Sorry
Oh man, I'm gonna start
I'm just so happy men are still like in leadership roles
Nothing has changed
Nothing has changed, nope
This is like the biggest super spreader event
Of the Black Deaths
Where they're just fucking taking it
And going back all over to fucking Scotland
And just dropping it
Every fucking place that they go to
That's so dumb
As far as Ireland went
We know that the death rate for Anglo-Irish
Was about the same as the English
And now we have no idea how many
Of the native Irish died
But from what one 17th century Irishman wrote
The pestilence made great havoc
Among the English invaders
But for the true Irishman
Born and dwelling in the hilly countries
It's scarce, just saluted them
Oh, isn't that not cool
It depends on, because it depends on the cycle
Of where you live, it depends on where you live
Right, if you live out in the boonies
It's difficult for it to transfer
As quickly, because if it gets to one village
It kills everybody and then it doesn't spread anywhere
If I was the Black Death
I would leave Ireland alone, it's nice
Go, have a nice settle there
You know, and then you go attack elsewhere
Oh, that's where you retire
Yeah
You know what's funny
Is that, Henry, you mentioned last episode about
If you want to survive the Black Death
You get on a boat in Scotland and take it to Iceland
That would have worked for 50 years
Because for some reason
Iceland's Black Death, like their Black Plague
Happened at the turn of the 15th century
And half of their population died in like 1400
And then, 100 years later
It happened again, and people are still kind of baffled
As to how it happened
They're really not sure, because there's no
Because the Black Rat never took hold in Iceland
So they're not really just not sure, like
How the fuck did this happen twice?
And how did it happen 50 years after?
It's beavers traveling on logs
It's a very possible beavers one
Yeah, it's possible
But right around the same time that the Black Death
Was entering the homeland of my ancestors in England
It was also taking a toll on Henry's ancestral land of Poland
Although Poland's death toll was much, much lower
Yes, it is one of the curious things
It is one of the curious things
Are you about to brag about the Polish people?
Are the Polish immune to disease?
Yes
You know what does it?
The vodka
It really stiddles the blood
No, the survival of the Polish is over-accentuated
Because it seems like the rest of Europe
The problem is the rest of Europe, it was 40 to 60%
Killed at the mortality rate
In Poland, it was like 20 to 30%
But mostly it had to do with, because they were cold
And there was one theory that I saw
That it's because Poland had a lot of cats
Oh, honestly, that could save the day
Although, when the fleas hop on the cats
Hmm
Interesting
Fuck!
I mean, they were
Fuck!
I don't know, because I don't know if the same fleas, the rat fleas
Are the same as cat fleas, we don't know
We don't know
They don't trade back and forth
And also, there's some talk that the Communist Party
That ran Poland for a long period of time
All the kind of shit that went down obviously
After World War I and World War II
When everyone was doing their black death research
In various countries were going through to looking
Over historical records
The communists didn't want to do that
So there is also some things that they say
That maybe the numbers were also missed
Maybe the numbers were miscalculated
Because they weren't researching it
Not in Poland, nothing would be miscalculated in Poland
What I think is most interesting about Poland though
Is that their king, King Kashmir
Had a Jewish mistress named Esther
And the king therefore offered asylum
To Jews fleeing persecution in central Europe
During the black death
Those Jewish refugees settled in Poland
And established communities that would remain unbroken
From the 14th century until the 20th
When the Nazis almost wiped them out for good
Partly by using the same basic conspiracy theories
That had driven the Jews to Poland in the first place
Come and join and have a ticket to the Kissel party bus
In his pit of a party on the bus
That would be a true party bus
My goodness, if you're Jewish at this time
It's like, we have an answer, you're going to be safe
You guys have a one trip, a one way ticket to Poland
And you're just like, wow this is great
I just know I can't wait to go to Poland
It reminds me in Wisconsin
The Hmong help us fight the Viet Cong and the Vietnam War
And many of them were sent to Wisconsin
Which again, is a bit of a culture shock
In both mood and temperature
It gets quite cold
But during the black death in Europe
It wasn't just the regular folk dying at a plague
We mentioned this a little bit earlier
Spain actually lost its king in March of 1350
When King Alfonso XI contracted the deadly disease
During a siege at Gibraltar
Making him the only European monarch to die of the plague
Yeah, we got one
Wow, that's actually a fairly impressive number
Well it's because they were far away from all of it
And a lot of times they went to their vacation palaces
Or like the Clement VI
He actually was trying to fix it
And accidentally stumbled upon shit that worked
Furthermore, there is evidence from several accounts
That Spain was actually host to the deadliest, scariest
And fastest acting form of the plague
The Septicemic plague
Briefly covered in our first episode
The Septicemic plague is 100% fatal
And kills in less than 24 hours guaranteed
And never became widespread
Only because of how fast it kills the infected
It turns you into raspberry jelly
Oh, that doesn't sound fun
One tale told by a French cleric said that the priest
Was visiting Spain on a pilgrimage during the plague
And stopped at an inn
That night he ate dinner with the family at the inn
And sensed that nothing was amiss
The next morning though, when he called out for assistance
He received no answer
And when he searched the inn
He found that the entire family had caught the plague the night before
And had died before the sun rose
Oh my god
Septicemic does it that fast
Yeah, and there are a lot of stories like that
Now some countries like the Netherlands
Were somewhat spared the worst of it
Losing only 15-25% of their population
However, the reason why the Netherlands only lost 15-25%
Was because the Netherlands had already lost more children
Than any other country during the Great Famine
And therefore had less vulnerable people
Again, worst century to be alive
But it doesn't ever stop, never stop it
It really doesn't
As far as Scandinavia went
It was sparsely populated and of course cold
So the plague had a hard time traveling from town to town
But it was still said that if a Scandinavian did catch the plague
They didn't live for more than a day or two
After they started vomiting blood
Implying that it was the mnemonic plague
That haunted the northern reaches
Can you imagine how much the fucking that stank to
With all the weird pickled herring they eat and all the clams
All that fish guts
Coming up with your vomit plague blood
That's a lot
But then Scandinavia also had Pesta
The plague hag
That idea of the plague hag
Because we talked about plague virgins last time
I actually saw, I had someone send an email
Comparing it to Corona Chan
Remember the beginning of the quarantine
We talked about the idea of the physicalization of COVID
Into sort of an anime girl
The plague virgins like that
This is another story of the plague hag
Which is this idea that you'd see an old woman ringing a bell
And as she passed through town
Everyone would die of the plague
But actually that was the retrofitting
Of after everybody normally died in the village of the plague
Whoever lived would ring bells to be like
I'm still alive, come get me
But then they were just like you did it
And then they would probably kill her
Just let her die, hit her with a rock or something
Oh my goodness
Well in Norway, King Magnus II came up with a novel
And somewhat innocent idea to fight the Black Death
Ben I think you're actually really going to like this one
You are going to like this one
Let's hear it, let's hear it out
He instituted theme days
I think that's actually one of the most brilliant ideas I've ever heard
You don't even have to go into those themes quite yet
But I think right now if I was that man's
If I was that dude's chief of staff
I would say sir let me suck your dick
Not your cheese day
Come up with that
Everybody's favorite decade day
Everyone's favorite decade
They hit, remember the 80's day
Yeah the 1280's
Yeah it was great because the serpents were president
I love that
What good ideas are we talking here
There was foodless Fridays
Oh that's sad
Well you could have bread and water
But just no fish or meat
Oh okay
Or grant, yeah but you could have better water
Then there was shoeless Sundays
Easy going, that's actually nice
Yeah well you weren't allowed to wear shoes to church
I don't like the idea that I've not been allowed to
I think it should be optional but okay
Easy like shoeless Sundays
Oh no this is very much mandatory
This is absolutely mad
Does God have not got to kill you
Well yeah he believed that this would
He was trying to appease what he believed
Was a wrathful God
And he was trying to spare Norway
Of the faith that befell his warmer neighbors to the south
And as far as he was concerned
It did kind of work because people in Norway
Didn't die in as high numbers
As high percentages as people
You know south of them did
So this guy really thought that the sky
Cuck in the clouds
God was going to just own
Why would God want to see our feet on Sunday
Is God just jerking off to us
Looking at a fish on Friday
Why I just don't
I'm starting to think that these are human institutions
This was an actual movement throughout a lot of Europe
What they would do is mass prayer days
One of the big things at the church
Because at the time it wasn't really the Catholic church
They just called it the capital T, capital C, the church
They wanted to organize mass prayer days
Where every single person would meet
And do something like ten times a day
Where they would pray to be saved from the plague
Pray for their monarchy, pray for the clergy
Pray for everybody, their idea was that
If we just keep pushing God
We will get this going
We'll do a GoFundMe
We're going to get this petition that God signed
And then he's going to end the plague
And so there was a lot of mass movement
So he thought that if he did a coordinated
Like, hey God we're sorry
We're sorry, like in one voice
That maybe God would cancel the plague
I'm just going to say this on behalf of humanity
For all of time
We've never deserved any of this shit
All humans have ever wanted to do was eat and fuck
That's all we've ever wanted to do
Kissel, human beings are not innately horrible
That's real wisdom
Internalize that
You are not at fault for COVID-19
You're not at fault for the plague
No, no, no, I mean people are still doing this shit
You remember the COVID preacher, the guy that just screamed and yelled
And people made those awesome fucking metal remixes of it
Yeah, people are still, they still do it today
Well they definitely didn't stop eating on Friday
I'll tell you that
No, no, it is food full Friday
Yes it is
From Scandinavia, the plague crossed the Baltic Sea
And re-entered Russia
Where it swept through Novgorod and Moscow
Incredibly, the plague had now come full circle
And was just 700 miles north
Of the formerly besieged city of Kaffa
Four years after a Mongolian siege
Had sent plague ships from Kaffasport to Sicily
There was one thing I read that kind of
Sent a shiver up my spine and said, if you look at the line
That the plague made around Europe
You could see the noose it had drawn around the continent
Interesting, it's sort of like when Bruce Springsteen
He started in New Jersey
And then he went to LA and was like
But then he realized his true love was in New Jersey
That woman that he married and then he went back to New Jersey
And it's almost like he made a noose around America
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Springsteen's
The noose tour
It was a horribly named tour
Yeah, I was upset, but I still went
He performed for eight hours
I've seen him
Marcus, we're going to see Springsteen
Sure
I don't know when, but we're doing it
Bruce Springsteen's concerts actually have a mortality rate of 45%
The last time I saw him, he played for 14 hours
But after four years of constant death
Europe found that the deadliest strain of your synopsis
To ever exist had somewhat anticlimactically
Burned itself out
What?
People very suddenly stopped dying by the thousands
And in fact weren't dying of the plague at all
Or at least not the horrifying, bloody, pus-filled, gangrenous, blood vomit plague
But when people were ready to accept that the great mortality was at an end
They reacted in much the same way that people are reacting today
They drank heavily, spent lavishly, ate gluttonously, dressed extravagantly
And fornicated with abandon
They said in Italy they created 52 new religious holidays
So they were like, we're adding vacation days to the calendar
Great
We're just doing it
That is very interesting
Also the beliefs, the inner worship of almost like their version of comic book heroes
Have you done any research into the 14 holy helpers?
No
The 14 holy helpers were the plague saints that kind of came about
The very end of the plague
People started praying to hyper specific certain saints
Like Saint Sebastian
The guy that's like, you see the one who's tied up with all the arrows in him
The BDSM saint?
Sure
And they would create these sort of frescoes and paintings of these saints
Fighting like skeletons and demons that were essentially the personification of the plague
So I think it technically is the first comic books
Okay, yeah, makes sense
Well perhaps the most overt act of life over death
Symbolically at least after the plague
Occurred in Orvietto, Italy
Where couples actually fucked on the grass that had been laid over the recently closed plague pits
I mean, anytime you walk in Washington Square Park
You're walking over a massive grave
Everywhere you walk is a massive grave
I am happy these people are having a fuck party
Getting lit, eating food
Enjoy it while you can
It helps create the earliest forms of gonorrhea
Oh no good news of that night
That's true
That's wonderful
When the words of one chronicler from Sienna
No one could restrain themselves from doing anything
But even though people seem to be having a great time
This was in fact a reaction to being deeply traumatized
Shut up, Marcus
I'm not traumatized
Honestly, we're not as traumatized as they were
I'm not just feverishly having a good time for no fucking reason
You do need to have fun
You do need to have fun
But a psychiatrist named James Westfall Thompson noticed
That the way people behaved after the black plague
Was exactly how people in the lost generation behaved after World War I
In his view, the behavior in both was marked by
Fairly superficial waves of gaiety, debauchery, extravagance, and gluttony
All done to try and tamp down the unimaginable horrors
That they'd all seen and experienced
And I would assume the same didn't happen after World War II
Because the horrors were no longer unimaginable
Right
And of course, let's not forget after World War II
The buffet was invented
And once you have the phase
Then it's very difficult to have sadness
You could serve yourself
You don't have to deal with the tyrants of chefs telling you how much you can eat
Yeah, they look at you when you ask for seconds
And they're like, this isn't your mom's house
And you're like, well, you know, I wish it was
But my mother's dead
Yeah, my mom's a fucking corpse
Anyway, that's why you gotta go to your golden corrals
But perhaps building off of this so-called moral decline
People found that they also didn't need the church quite as much as they thought they did
Once it was all said and done
See, the decline in the church's power after the Black Death
Was both literal and symbolic
Since the plague killed peasant and priest alike
The church came out of the Black Death with seriously thin ranks
And the priests who had survived were either highly corrupt, very young, or poorly trained
And in some cases, all three
They had a very secure track that you were supposed to be on
To be a priest, to be a member of the clergy
You were raised, and most of the time you had to be of noble lineage
To even be able to be on the track to be educated
In order to go and be whatever your position was going to be within the clergy
Sure
But once it wiped out all the noble families, then anybody could be a priest
And the problem is that when anybody can be a priest
Most of the time, it means scumbags are going to be priests
Which Twitter did to the celebrity class
Yep
The general public had also taken particular note of the fact that the church had given no help
That couldn't have been given by any other person
Finally, it was mostly the dregs of the priests who survived
And those left behind charged unreasonably high prices to serve a local church
So it's just, it just left a bad taste, the church left a bad taste in everyone's mouth
They failed miserably and killed a lot of people for no reason
And then, obviously, once they realized that, once people realized there's, they don't provide the safety net they promised
Well, fuck them
Of course
Philip Ziegler is the historian that was kind of talking about how this was
They think, there's several historians that believe that if the black plague didn't happen
Medieval world might have continued kind of closely the way it was already continuing for a long time
But that this doubt in the main church is probably what planted the seeds that would create the Renaissance
And the Reformation
When all Protestant religions would also become about
Because this just showed, it showed a light into how corrupt the whole system had become
Absolutely
But really, the end of those four horrible years was just the end of the beginning of the second plague pandemic
And it was just, it just happened to be the worst one out of the hundreds of plague outbreaks all over Europe in the centuries to come
It was great, that's awesome
Well, because there is research in it, it's fun to think about
Like just put it in your head and just think about it for a little while
But out there, in 1994 they actually discovered strains of white pest that's actually immune to antibiotics
So who knows when that's gonna come out, I don't know when that's gonna really be unleashed
I just can't believe Domino's brought the noid back
That's what I'm upset about
About a decade after the Great Mortality, the plague returned in a less lethal form
Killing about 20% of the populations it infected instead of 50
This second plague, however, struck the young more than the old
And came to be known as the children's plague
One more time, worse century to be alive
God dang, but you also, you also think about the OG plague, the grandpa plague
And then he looks at his generation, he looks at his great grandson plague
And you're like, you're only killing 20%
This is just so typical of the new plague generation
Don't even understand how to kill 85%
I was killing 85% and now you're killing 20%
I am so sick of these pandemic zoomers
It is just unbelievable
Get off your butt, plague, and stop playing plague video games and go kill people, please
From there, the plague returned about once a decade throughout Europe for centuries afterward
But with a much lower mortality rate of 10 to 15%
But there was one notable exception
See, just as the second plague pandemic started with the bang, so too did it dramatically end
In 1665, 307 years after the Black Death first hit England
The capital was hit with what came to be known as the Great Plague of London
In just 18 months, 100,000 people, a quarter of London's population, died of the bubonic plague
In what was to be the last large outbreak of the second plague pandemic
And it finally ended in the somewhat appropriate year of 1666
Get in the refineries!
That's a really great time to end
Wow, that's fun
Mark of the beaver, man
Mark of the beaver, Mark of the beaver
Wow
But what was different here is that the plague was moving far slower
Instead of jumping from city to city in a matter of days, weeks, or months
This strain of the plague crept from neighborhood to neighborhood
And instead of killing huge groups all at once, it stuck to clusters of people
Like, for example, people who all slept in the same bed or wore the same clothes
Or lived on the same lane
This new kind of plague, the crawling plague, if you will, was also responsible for the third plague pandemic
Which began in 1855 and ended in 1960
Killing up to 15 million people in China and India over a period of 105 years
It's still out there
It's a spurious correlation, but look what happened in the 60s
Everyone was smoking weed, man
And the weed killed the plague, dude
Dude, what?
You know what's also interesting is I want to really look at...
There's a lot of studies that talk about the combination of earthquakes and plague
How earthquakes would happen
Like an Iceland earthquake happened, an England earthquake happened
And then what it does is it rustles up all the rats
Something happens, it creates a disturbance in their life
And all of a sudden the rats are ready to go
Don't piss off these frickin' rats, man
They're skittish
You can just keep them happy and keep them away
But the other difference is that while all those plagues were indeed horrible
They were not the same plague that devastated Europe starting in 1348
There was no blood vomit, no malodorous smell
And no gangrenous inflammation of the throat and lungs
In other words, while the plague is indeed still terrible
It isn't as bad as it used to be
And isn't that nice
Isn't that nice? It's almost like God wanted to flip to more PG programming
And he said, you know, it was really nice when we were in the attitude era
But let's not have any more chair shots to the head
Well, it shows that the viruses and bacteria
Is these types of things that evolve to be less deadly so they can live longer
Oh, well the best explanations we have for this is that the black death
Or after the black death, Yersinia pestis either returned to being a rat disease
Because it risked burning out its host population
Or it was a marmot strain that really did burn itself out by 1352
It just killed as many people as it could, reached the end of the road
By the way, that reminds me, we have our new weed line
Check out Embers here in LA, we actually have the marmot strain
A marmot strain?
Yeah, it's really good, it makes you feel like a beaver
It's so good, it's contagious
Ooh, it's so good
But even besides dealing with the plague for centuries afterward
Europe was besieged by other diseases that killed almost as many
In 1426, a flu epidemic killed 7% of the population
And between 1485 and 1551, a mysterious disease called the English sweat
Killed 10% of Europe
It actually was a series of exercise tapes
And they weren't ready for the exertion, it's so hard in England
For them to get any cardio because of their Adam's apples
It presses against the windpipe
Absolutely, sweating to the 1680s or whatever era we're in now
And that's not even getting into outbreaks of smallpox
Which smallpox is known as the red plague
That's the Sammy Hagar of plagues
Oh, that's cool
And while smallpox ravaged Europe at rates that rivaled the Black Death at times
It absolutely destroyed the indigenous people of North America once it crossed the ocean
And I think this is, we've said it before, but this bears repeating and this bears remembering
Smallpox killed 90% of the indigenous population in North America
It's an active biological warfare
Also, Henry, did you want to make a joke?
I just want to say, I mean like, you know, they got the blankets
But think I wouldn't give them pillows
Because then there goes the other 10%
Jesus Christ
I'm just scared
Wow, wow
No, unbelievable though, that is so fascinating
Yeah, anyone
And we actually, the Europeans they came over, at first they didn't know
And then once they figured it out, they definitely took advantage of it
Yeah, that's as hard as this
But like smallpox, flu, none of that stuff was in North America
Ollie knows when that show was going on, my people were in Poland
Bearing people with their butts sticking out of the ground so they have a place to park their bikes
That's what my people were doing
Admittedly, my people were coming over here
Admittedly, my people were coming over here and probably spreading smallpox and all kinds of shit
My first ancestor was like 1600s, so like Wolf Trapper
So yeah, definitely, definitely
Guilty!
And come over, my folks didn't come here until 1960s
Hey, they were chased here
No, no, no, no
Well in addition to all that, all those diseases, you also had dysentery all across Europe
That was due to of course poor sanitation, because you get shit in your food sometimes
You swallow shit, you're gonna get sick
And that was responsible for the 50% mortality rate of infants
In the Middle Ages
Oh my god, 50%, oh goodness
50%, but speaking of that mortality rate
The Black Death had long lasting consequences on how long people lived, even after it was over
See when things were solid in the 14th century
An English boy in Essex could expect to live to the age of 54 pretty dependably
Once he grew past the danger zone of childhood and entered puberty
Once you get to puberty, you're all fucking good
Yeah, because then you can't get picked up by a hawk
You can't fall into the shit river and drown
I guess Richard the Raker did and he was a full grown man
Absolutely, you can't fall in love with a turtle climbing its back
And have it go into the water and then you drown
You think that's the thing that happens?
I wish I lived in your mind when every day's a fairy tale, Kessel
I'm saying it's possible
If you're a kid, you're like, that's a turtle and you cry and you climb on its back and it goes into the water
You're describing a dream you had when you were a child?
No, I'm saying, I've been looking at a lot of turtle content lately
The turtle was amazing, it lived in its own house
You live in your house, we live in houses
I know, but we move out of our houses
Anyway, fascinating
It is fascinating, the fake thing you said
Turtles are fascinating, yes
But by the mid 15th century, that same boy who could have expected to live to 54 a century earlier
He had lost 14% of his lifespan
It could only expect to live to 48 years of age if he was lucky
Because while society had held in many ways, it took centuries for Europe to fully recover from all of the cascading effects of the Black Death
See, that boy is lucky, because man becomes perfect at 48
And then you're done, then you slowly slide into despondency and irrelevance
Well, I think that would be horrible if you got dementia at 49
No, I'm just saying, that's just when people stop liking your shit on Instagram
Oh yes, that makes sense, that makes sense
But even though life was fucking awful for almost everyone who lived through the Black Death
It changed the way that Europe worked in fundamental ways that still echo into today's society
By the end of the Black Death, the wealthy owner class and the labor class had switched places when it came to who held the power
Because so many people had died, there were fewer people who could do work both skilled and unskilled
And therefore, workers of all stripes could demand higher wages for the first time
If you look at some of the way these aristocrats bitch from the 1350s about how hard it was to find laborers
And then you look at comments made on certain news sites on our cable news about people not returning to work
They are exactly the same
And to that I say, do you have two hands, Mr. Aristocrat? Do you have two feet, Mr. Aristocrat?
Why don't you go to work?
It is just complaining about how no one wants to work anymore because they're used to not working
And paying someone to do work for them and they couldn't pay them enough
And paying them very, very, very little
The key is to make sure that you just barely pay them so that you can show them monetarily what they mean to you
They're just essentially robot workers to you
I'm thinking these aristocrats got to bring back the noid
It's too late, you were just bemoaning the return of the noid
I don't know
I'm telling you what they're doing, they're bringing back the noid
Well at the same time, an overabundance of crops and livestock because everyone was fucking dead, no one was eating them
That dropped food prices and that coupled with high labor cost hurt the lords and helped the peasants
In addition to that, women gained new economic power because they were able to step into jobs that were traditionally male pre-plague
They did it just as well as the male, as the mended
An interesting side quest for you is to look up the Chiampi revolt, C-I-O-M-P-I
Which is the worker revolt that happened in Italy that was very interesting right after the plague
Now King Edward very quickly tried passing laws in England to freeze wages at pre-plague levels
And he also tried to make it illegal to refuse employment from a lord
Does any of this sound fucking familiar?
It's wild
I actually don't understand what you guys are talking about here
Finally the people did take this job and shove it because they would go like, you come back here, sir
And you all do the hey, like you do, I don't know how you make it into those Swiss rolls
The big lumps, you put it in the lumps right now, sir
And they'd go, fuck you man
And then just walk in the woods, cause they're just walking in the woods, you can't find them
Yeah, but the workers, merchants and tradesmen who were for all intents and purposes the new middle class
They held strong, they knew for the first time in their lives
Possibly the first time in European history as far as they fucking knew
They could demonstrably prove that the rich needed the workers more than the workers needed the rich
Hell yeah, that's a fact
Because the power structures that kept the status quo had fallen apart just enough
But also what is interesting about humankind is that they still managed to keep certain levels of order amongst themselves
Like humans really understood at the time
No, we actually can take care of us
We don't need the church, we can create our own little fringe religions
We can actually release ourselves from our own sins
Cause they gave us permission to
The church when everybody was dying basically said, forgive yourselves if you would for a little while
So they learned, we don't need them
And at this point the middle class also started building their own churches for the first time
Which was something that was reserved for lords
Yeah, the chantry chapels
Yeah
And then humans never did anything wrong again
Never again and it was fixed
We really nailed it
Also this was the first time that artists could make a true living and become like merchants and artists became the middle class
And so they could dress in the fineries of the aristocracy for the first time
They were like we're silk and buttons
Oh and you know artists, they deserve that
Artists love that stuff
But of course the establishment, once they started seeing all these people in the finest silk and buttons
That were supposed to be reserved for the lords
They actually passed laws that banned peasants from owning silk, silver buckles, furline coats
Anything that would allow the appearance of putting on airs
You're gonna take my fucking drip?
They would, absolutely they would
Yeah, just wait for that, when they fucking, when they ban you from fucking wearing Jordans
That's when I go to the capital
Absolutely
And of course all this shit partly led to the peasants revolt of 1381
But in the end the peasants gained enough ground where overt feudalism became a thing of the past
And upward mobility was that much closer to being a reality for everyone
Which where before was not a fucking option
Furthermore workers demanding higher wages partly resulted in some of the most incredible advances in technology ever seen in human history
And this is very interesting because it has some modern parallels with the arguments that people have against raising minimum wage
See in the low wage days prior to the plague one could still make books at a reasonable price using several copyists who wrote each page by hand
But after the plague those same copyists demanded higher wages
And they were therefore too expensive to make bookmaking sustainable at least on a large scale
It became a much more tiny boutique thing
But at the just the same time, Johann Gutenberg
Oh, Gutenberg!
He was perfecting the printing press in about 1350
And in the decades after the plague printed knowledge
Available for the first time in human history
Changed the world forever and ended up creating hundreds of new professions
Just cut to him Gutenberg being like this is going to lead to the intelligence
It's going to rise in our society, people are going to learn more
And then just cut to us 9-11, two years ago in Europe
Looking at a newspaper that was talking about how a man found the biggest crisp
That's where it looks to me
Yeah, it just cuts to a fucking issue of hustler, the highest
Oh, you can get some money, bro, stuff from hustler
Don't be the great people of hustler cherry, however
There's not one goddamn recipe in that magazine
I'm not demeaning a hustler, there's some great jokes in a hustler
But I would say Johann Gutenberg might be a little shocked by all the piss play
And very confused about the cartoons
I didn't get Johann Gutenberg
I didn't even have any other choice, all they did was just sex
He's the great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather of Steve Gutenberg
You just think that he wasn't covered in piss
They were all covered
But it's insane, you know, like them demanding higher wages saying we deserve more
Like it created innovation
And that innovation created more, not just jobs
It created professions, it created lives
Like writers, like anyone could be a writer, it created journalists, it created publishers
It created, oh, every fucking, so many things, it's insane
You can just see the publishers, the publicists, the writer and the journalist
All taking the guns out of their mouth right now as they listen to this
They just say, you know what, it is pretty good to be me, dad
It is pretty good to be me, to be me
To be me, it is good to be a publisher, man
Me like big old book, not just for toilet paper anymore
A book or learning page
All you fucking screen printers out there that make your living screen printin'
This is you, that's you, this is what you did, it's you
It's you
Alright, I think my brain is officially plagued out
Oh, my brain was not, no, I'm not me, man
I'm messing with the plaguing to the earworm in my own brain
I feel like the teacher of the great courses, the teacher that does the Black Death presentation for the great courses
She comes from Purdue University, Dorsey Armstrong, she's an English professor
And people are now, there was an article in the WAPO where people ask her like
Or going to her for advice now, because this thing came out in 2016
And they're like, what do we do, you know all about plagues?
She's like, please stop coming to me for answers
Well that's great, well it happened you said her full name here on the show
So she'll be left alone forever
Go get her
No, absolutely not
And finally, there was the way that the Black Death changed medicine
Because the medical community came out of the plague with a reputation that was just as damaged as the churches
But instead of doubling down on the bullshit like the church did and continues to do
The medical profession changed
Instead of relying on pure deductive reasoning
Which led to things like humorology and medical bleeding
Physicians began to posit theories
Against observable fact and analyze the results to see if they supported those theories
And this of course is now known as the scientific method
Great
In addition to that, the concept of the hospital also evolved out of the great mortality
Before the plague, a hospital was simply a place to stuff sick people until they were covered
Or much more likely, died
But after the plague, hospitals became a place where physicians could actually try to cure the patient
And even began separating people based on what was wrong with them
Effectively creating the modern ward system
Interesting
So while the Black Death certainly made the 14th century the worst time in recorded history to be alive
It could also be seen as the growing pains that essentially created modern society
Even if humans are still more or less the same basic animal that we've been for millennia
Wow
Alright, there it is
We made it
The Black Death, all five parts absolutely fantastic
Hang on, look at the three of us
Of the three of us
Zero percent mortality rate for this podcast series
Zero percent, zero percent
Well that was
Because Travis is still alive
Everyone's still alive and they must be
We've made that a rule that's in the contrast
Yeah, everyone has a life
Well thank you all so much for listening to this series
That was absolutely fascinating, great work
Learned so much, laughed a little along the way as well
I love this shit
We have so much more stuff coming up this summer
We're really excited
Next week we're going to be doing a creepy episode
Something weird
Something weird
Something weird
We're gonna go old west
Excited to go there
The weird west
Yep, we're going to, we're also gonna be
You're gonna be afraid of the water again
I'm kind of afraid of water already
Yeah, you should be
Yeah
But the most exciting thing of all
Is just like the plague
We're going back on tour
Yeah!
Mama Mia, here we go again
Mama Mia, here we go again
Another perfectly named tour
And Marcus, do you want to tell our audience
A few of the places, and we do have some
That we will be adding as well
So this is not the complete, complete, complete list
But it is the complete, complete list
If you're just missing a few
If your city isn't on this list, hold out hope
You might be on the next release
You never know when these three beavers
Are gonna run through town
Causing you to be sick with laughter
The only thing is, there is transportation at this point
So when someone's like, you're in Des Moines
I live in Des Monques
And it's like 30 miles away
It's like, just drive
We're driving to you
We're starting on August 12th
And we're going up until May 20th
On these dates
This is a big raft
Go follow us at Instagram
At LP on the left
To find out exactly when we're gonna be coming
To your city
Here we go
St. Paul, Milwaukee, Des Moines, Omaha, Detroit
Columbus, Cincinnati, Oklahoma City
Salt Lake City, Sacramento, Oakland, Los Angeles
Charlotte, Charleston, Durham, Charlottesville
Marcus has probably been masturbated
Got ya, got ya
Norfolk, Baltimore
Coming back to Baltimore finally
Portland, Eugene, Boise, Vancouver, Seattle
Spokane, Birmingham, Alabama
New Orleans, Austin, Dallas, Houston
Richmond, Virginia, Washington, D.C.
Philadelphia, Chicago, Jacksonville, Florida
Atlanta, Memphis, Boston
Mash and Tucket, Kentucky
Mash and Tucket, Connecticut
Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Northfield, Ohio
Toronto
And finally, we're coming home
To New York City
New York City?
Quick question though
And this is to clarify for myself
And everyone who's been asking
It's Vancouver, Washington, correct?
No, it's Vancouver, but we're going to Canada
We're going to British Columbia
Yeah, we're going to British Columbia
Okay, so just so everybody knows
That's Vancouver, British Columbia
Okay, because we probably shouldn't have put that on there
And we expect to have only a 40% mortality rate
Throughout our tour
That's what we're shooting for
That's what we're shooting for
We're going to have two large bonfires
That you can walk through
No beavers, unless they're attached to you ladies
Wherever you are
You can hustle those in if you can
You know what I mean?
Well, all beavers are allowed
No matter who they be attached to
At the last podcast of the Left Live show
We can't wait to see everybody on the road
And then next week
We also have a little announcement about a
We're working on a project with Spring Hill Jack Call
Yeah, you're going to get into it
It's going to make you shit
I love that coffee
It's a great diuretic
But then after you shit
You feel so light and fluffy
And then you're also awake, isn't that nice?
Yeah, that is nice
I love it
And again, as I mentioned
Embers, we are in Van Nuys
Embers, E-M-B-E-R-Z
That's a dispensary we're at right now
If you want to get our vapes
And Henry and I, July 24th
We'll be in Santa Ana
And we will be hanging out
At the dispensary there
And then next Thursday on Shell Friday
We're going to be in Cera dispensary
Here in L.A.
That's S-E-R-R-A
That is on West 3rd Street in L.A.
So we're getting into L.A.
And we're so excited
And then it'll be next
You said next Friday, that'll be?
Next Friday
Alright, well I'm going to go check that out there as well
So I'll be, maybe I'll go hang around
For five hours in the dispensary
They'll be so happy to see me there forever
And they'll be like
Did you know they brought the Noid back?
Anyway, it's like we've heard
Do any gas pumps work in this country
Okay everyone, thank you all so much for listening
Hope you're doing well out there
Hail yourselves!
Hail Satan!
Hail again
Look who's today, Asians
And just know, remember
That you're going to die
Because that's how you know to live a good life
Do remember that an end comes
Unless it's devastating to you
And you can't do anything
Because you're paralyzed with fear
Then just forget about it
And it'll happen when it happens
Yeah, that's kind of how I see it
It'll happen when it happens
It will, for certain
Except to me, I'm invincible