Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 462: Billy the Kid Part I - Butter Bandit

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

This week, we start a rootin' tootin' series on Billy the Kid — AKA Henry McCarty, AKA Kid Atrim, AKA William H. Bonney — who is perhaps the most famous gunslinger of America's Old West.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to this is the last on the left That's when the cannibalism started Man, oh man, the ease of being a Bon Jovi cowboy To be fair I prefer a life But if you're dead, guess what a professional gets to feather your hair in the casket I know I would chafe a lot because of the buckskin. I guess skin is not really super forgiving I was looking I ended up in a whole thing with with Custer and I got because I was watching Ken Burns of the West On Marcus's recommendation, which was very good. It's fantastic

But buckskin that's got to be hard to be on a horse never mind a motorcycle Absolutely, you're Bon Jovi. You're from New Jersey. You've never even seen Wyoming. You have no fucking clue. It will bond you Or no, I think blingers first names Christopher. Uh-huh. If you went on a motorcycle with buckskin I think he'd a light. I think he would burst into Frank's. I think that you're correct. Leave the skin on the buck I've always said that welcome to the last podcast of the left everyone I am Ben hanging out with the newly enthusiastic for motorcycles Henry's a browse. Yeah Zoom zoom Marcus parks. Hey, you all so much for joining us today. We are beginning our journey into the West

Specifically, we are talking about a legend of the West Billy the kid. Yeah Billy the kid was perhaps the most famous gunslinger of the Old West Standing in rank beside Jesse James Wyatt Earp and anyone else who made a reputation out of separating the quick from the dead Put guns up. What's your guns? I just realized if I was quickly trying to go for my gun I would hit a piece of my fat. Yes, and then when I would pull the gun out for my little holster there I think it would get stuck. No, no, no, no sharp shooting is a fat man sport Is it because if you see real fat men doing sharp shooting, which is incredible to see you see they got a little the hats get smaller The bellies get bigger. Yeah, but there's something about balance. I think that's why they have the small hats on

But the guns kind of stick out to the side. Okay, I know you're talking about sharp shooting though I'm talking about quick draw out of the three of us. I've got a quick draw his body. Yeah, yeah Actually, that was very very fast. And now this subject is near and dear to Marcus's heart This story Billy the kid is the skinny legend that Marcus has always loved It's what you've always emulated you were type of person that wish he could crawl up a chimney And I imagine you could crawl up a chimney Marcus. Yeah, I think I could at 14 I absolutely could have shimmied up a chimney if I needed to honey Don't don't light the fire yet. We got our chimney Marcus up there

Now I grew up with the legend of Billy the kid my family's always a vacation redosa every summer So but we were always around a Lincoln County in New Mexico and Roswell and all that where the area where this entire Story happened. So like this history is in my fucking bones. It's in my bones Would it be fair to call Billy kid the white Aladdin? Why he's a scamp. Yeah, he's a fun guy, right? You know, he became a hero to the people. He stole a lot of bread. You had a monkey friend I actually don't know if he had a monkey friend But if he did that would be super cute and fun and also dangerous on the old West because they didn't have

Antibiotics in case they bite you but you're failing to mention. He's not a genie. No Oh He's like the white lad and he's a scamp He kind of like he's a thief that everybody kind of loves because he's got a heart of gold But he got he's got tips of steel and he's got a oh Spenish tongue. Well, you definitely want a heart of blood and biological fluids not gold However, from a purely objective point of view, Billy the kid aka Henry McCarty aka kid atrium aka William H. Bunny was a relatively

Inconsequential figure in the grand scheme of the history of the American West Oh, but to look at Billy the kid from a point of view that's purely historical is to miss the point of Billy the kid See the kid as we'll be referring to him mostly in this series Came to be seen by the 20th century as somewhat of a Robin Hood type figure and that reputation is deserved Lovable scamp. Yeah Now I say Robin Hood type because Billy the kid did not steal from the rich and give to the poor Instead Billy the kid just stole from the rich. Mmm. He was poor though and he gave Yeah, but he only stole from the rich and powerful and in doing so he became an early

Anti-establishment almost counterculture figure in America skater boy See Billy the kids Undeserved legend as a gunsling and bloodthirsty outlaw came from the popular press of the time who portrayed the kid as a demonic Cold-blooded killer hell bent on anarchy. You know what never let the truth get in the way of a good story Yeah, I hate when the press lies, but in this case it sounds kind of fun But the difference is is that they just pinned a lot of murders on Billy the kid who was there It's not to say the Billy the kid did not kill people because he did but he was not oh He wasn't this central villain, but what is weird is that the other central villains the ones that were around Billy the kid

The ones doing a lot of it. They all loved him Yeah, Billy the kid became sort of like a mascot of every group that he shows up and they're all just been like look at the kid go Every documentary also talks about what I which I don't particularly understand about Billy the kid because this is how they tell you Hey, he has a light character Billy. He loved to stomp the boards and Billy. Oh, well, he loved to whistle Well part of the reason why the press demonized him so much I mean this was in the pursuit of Civilizing the West and Billy the kid became a stand-in for every lawbreaker in New Mexico

Also for watching Ken Burns the West civilizing is quote quote quote quote civilizing the West. Yeah quote quote unquote Yeah, it is slaughtering would be a much better way of putting it. Oh, okay. It's a sad documentary It's that fucking devastating. Well, you should check out the East. They have a whole episode on farts Oh, yeah, the East. It's just you know, it's lobster rolls But this demonization mostly came because Billy the kid was biting into the interest of the corrupt bankers government officials and landowners who had a stranglehold on New Mexico and While Billy the kid's body count has often been placed as high as 21 a victim for a cheer Billy was alive It was most likely closer to four and not one of the people Billy killed

Died without cause and we'll leave it up to you as to whether or not those causes were righteous Really Billy the kid and his cohorts were very much a product of their times Even if the West of the 19th century was not quite the bloodbath that it's often been portrayed as it's just One of the more intense periods of history that we came in it's it's weird It's this combination of us discovering a place that a bunch of people were already living in Placing them those all that conflict constantly waging for about 30 years You also just had the idea of anybody that was out in the West was somebody looking for a new start or somebody looking to Quote-unquote make a new start by positioning themselves in a position of power

Which would then allow them to become the new old money of America So there was a lot of corrupt fucks that were also throughout the West and then a lot of like happy-go-lucky like We're gonna go out here and finally I can be gay, you know I can I can marry my dog. Isn't that nice? I don't know if you could marry your dog But you know, it's funny after the free love 1960s everyone would exaggerate how many people they had sex with But I guess in the West they would exaggerate how many people they killed different times Yeah, yeah, how many people they cuz I mean really the way it's portrayed in popular literature is it's like the Aynsatzgruppen was constantly was just roaming the entire West and killing everybody in mass numbers

There were definitely slaughters, of course quite a few slaughters like especially the Fort Grant massacre a lot of shit like that across the West But it was not quite the constant Murder spree that you know, it's often been portrayed as because it's populated by famous criminals So those are what we know a lot about the Old West is Jesse James These types of big characters that we got to know, but you know, it's like like I hate to use this analogy But like a virus Outlaws also have to live within their world. So they are still kind they kind of have to not go ham All the time because they have to keep they have to be sustainable

Well, they have to be able to live they have to pony up to the bar and have their whiskey shots And they have to say oh, this is very nice to see you again, Bob And they'd be like how's your horse doing be like I haven't fucked my horse all week You know what's not I know what happened to the West That's the things you can also like the West is also a very anonymous place Like moving from town to town I mean the best that they could do with the wanted poster is you know, but like maybe a bad sketch of Of somebody or just a name. So you could actually you can murder someone and then go to a town

30 miles away or maybe a hundred miles away And you're scot-free reminds me of the dude who saw the leprechaun and they made the sketch of it But I'm gonna go Where's the gold? I would assume there's a lot of gold This flute was brought left to me by my father. It's a leprechaun hunting flute There's a lot of bad art around on the wanted posters there Yeah, I mean, you know concerning the violence of the Wild West

I think it would be accurate to compare the murder rates in the Old West to that of America in the 1990s See in the 90s while places like New York City and South Central Los Angeles had Historical murder rates during that decade America was mostly peaceful and this is how it was in the Old West Most places were safe from death by gun But when it came to criminals like Billy the kid they lived in highly violent worlds within that safety Much like gang members in Los Angeles during the 1990s lived in a highly violent world That was surrounded by the relative safety of Los Angeles. It's sometimes you're born in the game Yeah, it's like how I was born in the clowning world

And how difficult it is how you've got to make your bones you've never been honked in Bro, I don't want to ever get honked in again. That was a horrible memory But that's not to say that the West was a safe place to live rather than a place of violence late 19th century New Mexico With a majority of our story will occur. It could be more accurately described as just a place of death It was extraordinarily easy to die in this time and place Whether it be from diseases like smallpox Exposure from getting caught in the desert a raid from a rightfully pissed-off band of Navajo or Apache or least likely Finding yourself on the wrong end of a six-shooter. Yeah, which is when the someone shoves the butt up your ass

See part of the impetus behind the violence in the West during the late 19th century Was that the Civil War had just ended and the men who had fought specifically for the South had dispersed throughout the West Looking for a new life. Would it be fair to say that some of these guys didn't really particularly understand that the war was over? Well, I mean, this is actually exactly what some of my ancestors did You know, they fought for Georgia in the Civil War then after the Civil War after they got their fucking asses handed to them They headed to Texas to put all that behind them. So my people are the only like innocent People of the three of us your father was a police officer and you're Polish from Queens. That was recent Well, I'm just so happy Marcus's family survived hiding in those chimneys during the Civil War

And then as soon as the whistle blew to end it, they just scurried out Go start writing. I mean, it could be argued as to whether these men actually I don't think Many of them left the war behind. I mean the problem is that you had thousands upon thousands of men with some of the worst fucking PTSD You can imagine these are guys who had survived bloody close-range combat during the deadliest conflict in American history These men had learned to live with death and had in turn learned to survive by treating killing as a kind of reflex That was necessary to see another sunrise and it was this attitude that these men brought with them when the West began filling up With white Americans and it got filled up pretty quick like yeah people started rolling in I was actually really surprised at looking at the timeline of the American West and realized that a lot of it was

Populated within 20 years that he just shot out there like it really happened very quick and also how many people from Europe and other countries also came American West Just the person from France be like where's the fromage That would be a bit of a culture shock Well, they showed up to come make money in a way in a way if they became truly American Where they came here and they understood Oh, you need to do is get in early and then you get your name goes up on a bunch of buildings

And then a hundred years from now everybody acts like you were always here like you're so far permanent fabric of our society I see so you want to get in early like the Native Americans did no no no no That's why they're so rich now you'd say get in early. They were just there Yeah, yeah hundreds upon thousands of years they just didn't understand a thing like a lease You don't mean they didn't understand a mortgage and we had to teach them all of that they love to learn all of that I think there was something well, I mean actually that the settling of the West is Extremely American because a lot of the people that were brought out there. They were brought out there through scams You know, they would get out in the east and in Europe

You'd have people that are handing out these pamphlets that are saying that the West is a paradise That if you go out there, the land is plentiful. It's the easiest land in the world to farm Like you're just gonna you are gonna be doing nothing but profits you sir are gonna be your own boss and before you know it You're gonna be the richest man in the entire country. It's just that easy and then when showed up They would find, you know hard scrabble bullshit. They don't know they'd find that like they'd find like oh wow It's 110 degrees here every day. It is hot. I wish that someone Does anybody have an umbrella? I don't even know what accent that is. I am from nine country You're from nine countries. I am from nine. Okay, cuz I want to be offended, but I don't know how to do it.

My food is Italian. This is Italian. This is Italian. You're man. Okay. Wow, I mean these places they're 100 degrees in the summer and they're 20 degrees in the winter I mean, it's a hellish place And you know this area of the world like it's populated by a lot of Irish people because it's around the same this is around the time of the Great Famine and There's a lot of German people, a ton of German people that settled Texas

And as far as the people who were already there went there were the Navajo and the many tribes Who made up what came to be known as the Apache. The Apache were not one people. There were many people And you also had Hispanics who'd been living off the New Mexico land for hundreds of years by this point Almost like it's their home Like it's this place that they were like belonged Weird so fucking weird cuz like that's New Mexico Like you're acting like this is old Mexico. No, this is new Mexico You want to send them a memo on that maybe as such when white Americans came

Supported by the power of the United States government and the United States Army. They were Understandably despised by the people who had been there for countless generations In turn these Americans looked down upon and despised the existing cultures and said about Grinding them out of existence and it's in this space living between these two worlds that Billy the Kid became an American legend in the almost century and a half since his death Billy the Kid has been portrayed as a Hero and a voice for the disenfranchised as well as a killer and an anarchistic sociopath in movies That alone numbered somewhere around 40. That's just movies about Billy the Kid Well, we know that that culture peaked with young guns

1988 man when's the last time you watched it? Oh probably 1989 Yeah, young guns, too has the good soundtrack Yeah, young the first young guns has that fucking set like they're not going any a morcone like they're fucking going sick ass guitar It's a lot of him sitting on a roof spinning the guns because we know that Billy the Kid will we'll get to that But he was really good with guns, but Billy the Kid just hit him sitting on a roof going Ha ha ha ha ha and then it cuts to him dancing. They're like Billy's cutting it up again Yeah, Dermot Mulrooney three times looking at him going that boy ain't right. That boy It is but the truth behind Billy the Kid is right there in the name

He was a kid a guy who has dealt a shit hand in life and despite many attempts to go straight He just never found a foot in and as far as why Billy the Kid reached such legendary status It's fairly simple. He took what he needed He treated regular people with respect and he gave no quarter to the types of greedy sons of bitches Who make this world a much harder place than it really needs to be? Because I'm wanted once again, I would prefer a live And so what we have here today is the first of a three-part series that will first explain the origins of the kid Followed by the wildly violent Old West gang war that he at times found himself in charge of just by virtue of surviving

And it all ends with the many successful escape attempts thereafter that made the kid an American legend We love guys who escape yeah in America. We really do and you can't do it anymore is the problem We talked about this a little bit in our Alcatraz series But that concept of it used to be legal to escape from prison because they believe that it was man's natural Instinct to flee and so they would they're like well just don't do anything until we catch you again For sources we used Billy the Kid a shortened violent life by Robert Utley to hell on a fast horse by Mark Lee Gardner The American Experience episode on Billy the Kid and the extremely well researched story of the Lincoln County War by Rick Geary, which is highly recommended to any and all comic book fans out there to hell on a fast horse is a really good book

It's really fun because that's where you really get to see Billy the kid It's a little boy who's got nothing but a smile. He's been playing cards since he was five. Wow So Billy the Kid was born Henry McCarty most likely in 1859 we're not entirely sure where Billy the Kid was born But most signs point towards New York City and considering his mother's background this claim tracks pretty well Billy's mother's name was Catherine McCarty and she'd fled Ireland either as a child or a young bride during the Great Famine Which is still to this day Proportionally the worst famine in known history killed 25% of the Irish population

Damn Concerning the kid's father. We have absolutely no idea who he was or what he did. We just know his name We know his name is Michael. That's all you need to know for a father All you need is a common one night I don't want to think about my father in common one night one special night when he laid his beautiful wife down He said I'm gonna put a bend in you I'm gonna kill you Never ever my mother shut up

You shut up. I know I have a memory of the sound Everyone has a memory of their parents having said the sound of the yeah the laughing and yeah, we do Yeah, we all did. Oh is your mama giggler. She was a giggler. I don't want to It's speculated though the Billy the kids father likely died fighting for the Union in the Civil War Just like so many other Irish immigrants of the time So when the kid was about seven his 36 year old mother met 23 year old William Antrim and within three years Antrim with the McCarty clan in tow moved to Kansas following the Civil War seeking drier climates for Catherine's tuberculosis

I love old timey cures. We obviously just did a whole summer's worth of old timey cures Super old timey cures, but just the idea that TB could be fixed by mountain air Like that's the main thing. They're like you gotta get that mountain air. That's what you're missing Is what you need is to go tubing You know the mountain air probably much better than the New York City era of the era it worked I mean no, I mean TB does do much better in drier higher climates That was actually a really like a popular reason to settle the West was like you fucking you caught TB You got the consumption if you want to survive

Head out West boy Welcome to coffin, Missouri. I just one of those of me. Wow. Can you not spell cough see? Wow, I honestly that really is good because I was I was working it out You did just interview Ken Burns and it would be incredible It's you turned out you could not spell like a very common word after speaking And so at the age of 10 Billy the kid New York City native found himself ensconced in the American West encountering cowboys Buffalo hunters homesteaders Indian tribes and cattlemen who are driving herds of longhorn

20,000 strong to places like Abilene, Kansas. That really must have been a fucking trip Because you show up you probably have seen and heard tale of this and it's in newspapers They've been talking about the West and everything that's going out there And then you get to see all of these like every character that now we know all came from the Indian and the cupboard Mm-hmm. Do you remember that it's every character from Indian and the cupboard, but they're just walking around in the town I have no idea. Well, I mean at the time though, you know the the media also played a big role in taking people out West You know you had these penny novels that would romanticize the West and people really did that like when they showed up They're like it's like when you go to New York when you're a kid

And you like you expect to see Spider-Man and then Spider-Man's there You know, it just turns out to be just some weird 40 year old man and always costume Mandina dollar your parents are like tell Spider-Man you love him And then Spider-Man is like He can you know he's not he smells of alcohol, of course, yes, I'll never forget that when the dude who played Elmo kept on punching people Elmo was an interesting guy Lot of esoteric beliefs Now the Antrim family tried a few different Western cities once they moved out West

Living in both Santa Fe and Denver, but they finally settled in a silver mining town called Silver City in New Mexico Now by 1873 New Mexico had been just a United States territory for about 20 years And New Mexico actually wouldn't reach statehood until 1912 Hey Marcus, did you know that Alcatraz means pelican? Oh my god, can you stop I know that's like that's my one like teacher moment is you know You know, New Mexico was a US territory for about 50 years before it was an actual state. Isn't that fascinating? That is fascinating hood until 1912. It's fascinating. It's is fascinating Well as result New Mexicans lived under the thumb of greedy business interests and corrupt government officials for

decades And while the West overall was relatively peaceful when it came to the towns accepting of course bleeding Kansas Which will be covered in a future episode Bleeding Kansas is oh my god. Yes, where the tampon was invented. Oh No, it's guerrilla warfare in the United States. It's one of the most brutal Chapters in American history. That's amazing. I'm just so happy that there was a town named after your butthole Bleeding Kansas That's amazing. It's doing better. All right, it's doing good. I wish I never would have told you all about that. We all know everything about each other's

Bodies, I've seen every every crevice of your body. Yeah, I've seen every part of you That is true y'all both of you as well. So I've been naked on acid. What? Well, not naked you had your underwear on but I was on acid and I saw you definitely in your underwear, bro You weren't on acid. No, but as I said while the West overall was relatively peaceful when it came to towns New Mexico in Particular was a violent place For example, if you look into the archives of newspapers and territorial New Mexico You'd be hard-pressed to find an addition that didn't at least mention a shooting a stabbing a raid or a straight-up Murder we've always been America. Yeah

Now as Robert Utley put it in his book Billy the Kid a shortened violent life four conditions led men to violence in New Mexico The first was ambition which involved the scramble for quick money and the scramble for quick money in the West usually led to violence Yeah, because it was the full extent of capitalism hadn't arrived there So it wasn't about like creating a new and different thing the idea of like you know creating Diversification amongst the businesses. It was there. There was one beef guy Well, and if he was the beef guy and then another guy shows up to be the beef guy Sometimes you have to kill the other beef guy. So you're the one beef guy Mm-hmm. Yeah, or even a store like you have a store in town another guy shows up at the store

I'm gonna kill the guy who opens the other store just so I can be the only store in town It's a competition was fierce out there in the Old West. Why do you think we were the only true crime comedy podcast for about two years? No, we did your piles of bodies the piles of body the only one for about five years Well, the second conditions were liquor and guns Almost everyone in New Mexico was armed and almost everyone drank Constantly and heavily and when liquor and guns mixed death usually followed in short order. Yes. Oh death I mean asterix fun I mean they had to do something

If you didn't get shot and you were just sitting there at the bar and then everyone was going crazy around you like in dirty work When they all fought dude, I can see you would be very fun theater There is definitely a kissal ancestor that has sat alone in a bar while everybody else died around them And they just kept going like I'm just finishing my beer. Don't fuck with the big one The fourth, however, is the most compelling condition that was the code of the West Which really isn't all that far off from the sorts of rules that have governed American street gangs for the last 30 or 40 years Basically the code of the West originated in Texas it demanded personal courage

Unreasonable pride and a reckless disregard for human life all insults are wrongs real or imagined Demanded swift and violent retribution and above all one must never retreat from an aggressor It's so obnoxious man Have you I've been shoved by somebody that I have accidentally stepped on their shoes and a crowded bar before like sure that That concept is just the dumbest shittiest Toxic bullshit that is like I can't buy it's so done like that idea of getting into a physical altercation over a mistake Is so dumb that it makes me angry and then I start then I want to attack. Yeah

People were quite angry for no reason well Utah I just feel like it's all the half alcohol beers Well, and I got I got the tall guy got the big guy stuff So I had to go head-to-head with a few boys, but you know I stood my ground Yeah, those guys always challenge you other big dudes always either want to fuck you or hug you or beat you I don't know what it is again. It's the first reason why people go to New Mexico. Yeah, it's the code Well as a result of this code people got shot and killed all the goddamn time Both in the saloons and out in the streets where innocent bystanders would often get caught in the crossfire

Back then getting shot resulted in death far more often than it does today. Really. Oh, yeah, dude if you got shot in 1888 it took hours if not days to die and there wasn't a goddamn thing that anyone could do about it Dude homemade bullets soft lead. It was a civil war thing, right? Yeah idea of like the shadows inside of the body It would it wouldn't penetrate all the way it go like plop And it hit into your first chunk of meat and then it would sit under the skin and then get infected, right? Yeah, I mean even if you happen to have a doctor nearby who was able to at least stop the bleeding and remove the bullet You still had to contend with infection

Infection for most gunshot victims was the ultimate killer in the Wild West. I know this is not a guns podcast This is not sponsored by guns and ammo, but were the guns that's why I was surprised that more people died because we're the guns As powerful as they are now. Yeah, they're there. I actually they're the exact same. I mean, of course now Yeah, the exact same thing. I mean now we might have you know, they didn't have semi-automatic weapons by my hand guns Yeah, a pit no a pistol back then was almost exactly the same power as a pistol now Unless you're talking about like a fucking Desert Eagle But if you're talking about like a revolver, yeah exact same power Okay, the only difference now is that bullets are a little smaller

So you get you know more power with you have more power with a smaller bullet But yeah, the stopping power is pretty much the same. It's just now we have the medical advances That's why the like just for example and in these medical advances are fairly new That's why the casualties and and the deaths in Vietnam were so much higher than the Iraq war Because those where and you know the men who got shot in Vietnam They were not able to be saved as quickly and as efficiently as men in Iraq Yeah, because now they'll zap you closed. Yeah, I got lasers to do that melt your skin together I'm sort of maybe saying bullshit

But after all of the research I did about the high-tech laser weapons that are going on in America right now that you know You assume they might have something like that also that can be used for good perhaps indeed and even in Vietnam like the You know the advances that the one of the big advances in Vietnam that we had versus I would say World War two the helicopter You know it's you can get people to medical attention faster because there is a window of time after you get shot And if you miss that window of time like you are dying a fucking horrific death All right, but while New Mexico was a wild land of violence It was also a place of beauty both natural and cultural When one arrived in New Mexico, they found a mixture of cultural influences that ranged from Anglo to Mexican to Indian

And it was all wrapped up in one package And when Billy the kid arrived in New Mexico as a young teenager He embraced the culture that he found wore a sombrero on his head and Indian moccasins on his feet and his nights were spent in the Mexican district of Silver City Dance in the flamenco seriously was the funnest six-year-old you've ever met It's really strange because I guess When they get to the Silver City, he's like 12 13, so I think he's yeah, like But I do like this concept of it because you can really see that there's a generational difference

Because he's growing up in the scene Billy the kid also to me becomes like a symbol of that of the combination of all these different cultures because Billy the kid Really got in with the Mexicans and the Native Americans. They loved him Specifically the Mexicans not as much the the native and not as much the Indians But definitely the Mexicans, but he got in with them like there's something about like how he really embraced it He was a cool like you know, he was technically a cool kid like Bob Dylan Yeah, from what a childhood friend later said Billy was one of the best boys in town He loved to sing and dance. He read voraciously never did anything worse than the rest of the boys

The only thing about Billy the kid. He was slender undersized and mostly quiet when he was younger But slender and undersized is like he's Billy kids is fucking small. He's very small, but that's what makes a good boy Good boy is thin and small. He's too fat then when it comes down to look what happened to us it corrupted us I don't know about all that. It could also make him a rock star judging by the clothes I saw at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame my god, they're small They're all so tiny and that all that fucking building is is a room of glass cases with tiny shirts and pants I felt shamed one of the smallest human beings I've ever met in my life was when I met Ronnie James Dio I

Was so surprised cuz he's sitting like I met all the blacks I've had a meeting greet and he's like sitting next to like Tony I owe me and geezer Butler and they're normal sized men and you've just got the the gnomish Fucking Ronnie James Dio sitting in between him. It looks like he I think they had to get him a high chair four foot eleven inches of pure Stinking metal Caps off yeah, you'll fuck your wife and I'll sing her to sleep and you'll and all of a sudden you're right there with her absolutely Well Billy the kid he was yeah, I mean he was full of mischief He spent considerable amounts of time at saloons and dance halls But he was said to have always been smiling Billy the kid was a very easy laugh and therefore everyone liked him

No one disliked Billy the kid and he was already becoming a professional Campler yeah, I mean well that's how Billy the kid learned to read people because you know we're out in this type of environment especially if you're a little guy like you've got to know immediately whether the person that you're talking to is Has a you know ill intent towards you because if they do they will kill you But as it often happened in the Old West tragedy in the form of death by disease struck Billy's mother Catherine finally succumbed to her tuberculosis in 1874 and Billy's one connection to stability Disappear his stepfather William Antrim soon abandoned the kid to the streets of Silver City

And at the age of 14 Billy was an orphan. Well, he's got that rock bug His father got the because that was his thing right is so he wanted to go make it rich to go because they were kept talking about how They're fighting gold in them their hills with silver. Well, yeah, I mean, you know Called Silver City That's why your ancestors didn't survive there because they went to looking for gold I got some great copper for you over here in in gold town. You see what I'm saying there I those are the only two minerals. I couldn't think of another mineral I what's another mineral?

Iron sure. Yeah, come over to Iron City and find our gold. You get it. Well, I'm glad you finished this Now Billy the kid he is completely on his own So he turned to crime to survive starting with a theft that it's kind of cute. It's kind of cute little theft Yeah, this is this is very like Huckleberry Finn. Yeah, yeah in April 1875. It just stole a big bucket of butter Because then you go and show all your friends all the butter Well, to be honest, I think that he literally stole to eat it and that he would steal it and he would do I guess you could sell it But also just like I ate your butter Yeah, all right, so you sold it

No butter now. Are you an animated hog? No one eats pure butter a lot of people do know they don't wait till the emails come in I'm gonna say that to you to you to little boys. I'm going from Wisconsin. He's from Texas We're not from like we're not from Los Angeles or somewhere fancy. No, no one eats butter I'm from Queens. I know I'm just saying it's not a tradition in America to eat spoonfuls of butter That's it's not about we call the Zabrowski sickness. Yeah I'm just saying a lot of people eat butter email side stories LP otl and gmail.com show me how much you eat butter I can see your family toilet weeping. Oh, yeah, no, honestly though when the Zabrowski's family is lined up

I can't even imagine after my dad was on a binge Oh, how many fucking bowls of just pure buttered macaroni that I would eat and hot dogs and imagine A slurry shot out of me as a little boy No, he saw he Billy the kid stole the butter and sold it to a local merchant for a dollar a pound. That's a waste He made that money well soon after the kid threw in with an older man named George Schaefer aka Sombraero Jack you wore a baseball hat. That's so cool. I love the names Well sombreros were all that back then they were a little different I mean this guy was called sombrero Jack because he always wore sombrero

But the what big wide-brin sombrero as we know it now like that was a type of sombrero Okay, sombrero biggie. Oh, yeah, it's it's the it's the sombrero that won. Okay. No, not surprisingly sombrero Jack was not the most It's the new new Pixar movie now Not surprisingly sombrero Jack was not the most upstanding of citizens and he soon got the kid involved in petty theft in September of 1874 sombrero Jack in the kid broke into a Chinese laundry and stole clothing blankets and two sick shooters The local sheriff soon figured out who was responsible and when sombrero Jack skipped town Billy was left holding the bag got arrested for the first time. Yeah, some reason sombrero Jack wasn't his fucking

Indulger, you know, I mean like he wasn't like there to be his ultimate backup somehow There was a sombrero shaped shadow and dust cloud This is a life lesson Billy's got to learn Now Billy most likely would have received a slap on the wrist for such a small offense But for some reason Billy couldn't or wouldn't stay put after just two days in jail He devised an escape plan using only his charm and his small size This is where he's in the rogue category. Oh, yeah He complained to the sheriff that the jailer had been picking on him and he wasn't getting enough exercise besides

He's not Pee Wee Gaskins Really what the kid was doing here He was convincing the sheriff that he was harmless and inconsequential that he was incapable of doing anything Untoward And so the jailers left the kid by himself outside of his jail cell for just a brief period of time Just get a little bit of a stretch And in that moment Billy shimmied up the chimney of the jail and fled town with no horse No gun and no money into some of the most hostile land in America

And this is where the legend status I really think starts to come in because it's the escape thing, right? We talked about this we're gonna it's gonna happen again and again as we go He can't be held down Americans love that he goes to wherever he wants and I think that there's also There's something about the idea of this and said he's bold So he does these things where I guess it's it helps that you're 14 So you don't know the fucking difference, right? So the idea of just launching yourself into the New Mexican desert in the middle of the Old West and hopefully I'm gonna fucking figure My shit out. I'm just gonna Michael J. Fox my way through this scenario

Yes, indeed that's a back to the future three reference for anyone who doesn't get that I do love you just reverse Santa Claus his way out of there. Yeah, jump right up through the chimney. That's very cool That is a reverse Santa Claus. Yes, you don't want to know what it is in a section Some Crowley stuff there again, it's like the wrong end of a six-shooter where you take a bunch of cookies somebody's butt The surviving in an Old West town wasn't too difficult So long as you could sidestep smallpox in the odd stray bullet Outside of the city limits, however, you were taking your life and your own hands in more ways than one

Besides the cacti the rattlesnakes the lack of water and the blazing sun You also had to contend with lawless gangs on the lookout for solo travelers Yeah, dude, it sounds like the video game borderlands. Yeah, I bet I just it should sound like Red Dead Redemption a game that both of you guys both played the two versions of it for hours and hours and hours It's that game. Okay. You just talked about how you ate spoonfuls of butter. All right. Let's not go on a high Pedestal I'm just saying you guys both lived in the world of the Old West for about a dozen hours Oh more than that hundred hundred hundred hundreds upon hundreds of hours furthermore

You had hostile Indian tribes or I guess bands would be a better way of putting it and these guys I mean specifically like the the tribes who were you know collectively described as the Apache which you know The Apache it's kind of like Sue Apache means enemy Like that was it was kind of pejorative given to them by the people who often, you know I've gotten a wars with them But these were some of the most fearsome warriors in In history, but of course, you know their reputation for brutal violence. It was exaggerated But you know it helps being you know now I'm playing Crusader Kings 3

Dread is an important quality. Yeah But even if the brutal violence was exaggerated you still didn't want to fuck with a band of Apaches Especially if you were traveling alone like Billy the kid was But very early on the kid learned what the great equalizer of the West truly was Starting at about this time Billy the kid began walking the path of the gunfighter. Oh, I thought you were gonna say the musical lead Because you know that Billy the kid He did you think a guitar really would have worked out as well

He don't even need an instrument when you've got your voice and you've got your legs Everybody just loves to watch legs go But Billy the kid was in the town musical. Do you remember that? Yeah, the whole thing where he was like, yeah Yeah, yeah, he was yeah, he was in the town musical I mean he was a kid that liked to perform He liked to be the center of attention and people like to make him the center of attention He was a fun guy He wasn't an annoying guy that always needs to be the center of attention. He was annoying though

They did say that he was they said there was the Billy the kid also later on became very polarizing in a way where people did Love him, but he did have a tendency to be incredibly annoying as well. Jerry Lewis type. Yeah, like a lady Oh my but then he raised a lot of money for charity, but then he also was a horrible person Yeah, yeah magnetic. That's the word that they used to describe him. Wait. Did you just talk shit on Jerry Lewis? He did Uh, was that he said that he raised a lot of money for kids, but he was a horrible person He's not a nice guy in ways. He was mean. He's a huge cock In ways, I heard that he was mean. I'm okay fine. I want ladies

No, I think he's a horrible person I don't know Well, remember at this time Billy the kid he escaped into the desert at 14 years old Yeah, and furthermore like when I say he was small I mean like 90 pounds at most and like just approaching five foot eight not even quite five foot eight just like yeah exercise Just approaching five foot eight like he's approaching the the gallows So in order to just survive the kid had to get goddamn good with a gun

But what's interesting is that after Billy the kid left Silver City? He kind of disappears from history for the next two years We get no idea what he did between the ages of 14 and 16 It's like Jesus Christ Yeah, we we talked about that a little bit when we were we had our phone call talking about this like that idea of the mysterious going away period because in that going away period He became An old west person like he somehow had become sort of like a gunslinger Within those two years as a 14 year old first the last one the last time you see him

He is alone covered in soot Basically nude in the desert no gun no horse and then two years later. He's got all the shit So somehow this child Figured shit out. Yeah, he must have paid for a crate. He must have definitely paid for that. Oh, yes I mean there are some uh idea like there some people speculate that like when he escaped from Silver City like He might have stolen a horse like he maybe there's also speculation that like a woman like a local woman Took pity on him and you know gave him a little bit of food put him on a stagecoach Well, that is like his adopted mother because when his mom his mom died and then she was kind of he was given to some woman

For a small period of time It's kind of hazy But it seemed like he might have went to her and she might have helped him get out of town at least But we still don't know where the hell it is. He went no we had no idea where he went Okay, the next time Billy the kid shows up in history. He's 500 miles west of Silver City He's in Arizona And there you know that when he first shows it like the first thing he tries doing he tries going straight when he shows back up In Arizona, he's tries being a cow puncher, but you know, he's not big enough and he just he's just bad at it

Is that when you just like you spank the udders? Um, honestly, yeah, is it is it do you is it literally is the job? No, it's not at all. It's a slang term like it's kind of a catch all like cow punchin was like an old west term That encompassed Herding driving and branding cattle He did that because he knew that we would make a funny little quip about it That's where you put it in there because he knew we would have something Yeah, I'm wanting to say cow punch it. We are in the world of marcus

Cow punchin sounds great It's about cow dipping my friend You know well after he tried being a cow punch He worked as a cook at a hotel at a military post called camp grant But straight life for billy was short-lived He soon fell in with the gang of horse thieves who specialized in robbing the military And pretty soon billy had earned enough to buy his own six shooter at the age of 16. All right Eventually billy still going by the name of henry antrim at this point

He got the nickname of the kid by hanging out in saloons with other criminals They called him the kid because you know one he's 16 But he also looks younger than he should have at mid adolescence. He looked like he was about 12 Yeah, he looked like a little boy, but he could do the thing. They said that was uh, Super impressive is that he could What is that called when you spin the guns to spin the gun? Well, he's not quite at gun spinning just yet. What is the gun spinning? What does that call it? Gun spinning. I think it's gun spinning. Yeah, it's just called gun spinning. Is it trick shooting?

You know like fancy. I think this is me. Look like I'm finger gunplay two buttholes Yeah, gunplay. Yeah, look at his finger trap. I got going on here right here. I got one of them I don't think I want to be old and but I don't know if I'm spinning any guns gun in the tilter world Maybe it's like that now a member of billy's first gang was a 25 year old civil war drummer boy from scotland named john macky and john macky and billy soon started stealing saddles and saddle blankets From soldiers who are getting drunk in the local saloons I mean, it is a very lucrative business these two guys got into and it's very they found it was very very very easy And it did inspire that great great movie dude. Where's my horse? Where's my where's my saddle blanket?

Where's my saddle blanket? It was such a fun movie just imagine just getting totally lit in the bar after after shot after shot of cheap ass Whiskey, whatever the hell they were drinking and you walk outside. You're like, what the fuck? I mean, honestly horses can still walk. I bet you did happen more often than not if you didn't tie it up correctly and the horse just wanders away I tell you Oh, there's no uber or lift or taxi union. You're right You are you are very correct people took horse theft at least people took personal horse theft

Very very seriously, but if you're stealing horses from like the military That's another thing altogether. Like billy the kid. He never stole like a personal horse Unless it was absolutely necessary unless he was on the run. He didn't if he was on the run. He didn't give a fuck I would have a rule though. I would say I'd never steal a horse with a name because then that means somebody loves it I hate you A horse with no name like that song from america. Yes, that's it It's a stealable horse, but I do find interesting when you get to the history of pat garret who will talk about more next episode But the idea of like when his dad passed on and he wanted to leave something to his son

He's like, I'll leave you. I'll leave you my gun to my saddle Which is the only thing a man needs to live and I was like, oh, I need a lot more than that Madman episodes I need a lot of that. Do you have any delta points? Well speaking to billy survival skills He once stole a horse and soon found himself fleeing five soldiers They caught up to him about a hundred miles from the scene of the crime But instead of arresting him

They took the horse back and made billy walk to town on foot and this is effectively That's a a light death sentence. Like maybe you'll die. Maybe it won't good luck But yeah, he also stole a horse from like a bunch of soldiers just sitting there and looking at him doing it But billy survived Undeterred when he got back to town. He kept stealing horses from the military He kept getting caught and he kept escaping In one instance after he got caught he threw salt in the eyes of the guard and ran away Wasn't that what yokozuna used to do?

Something similar to that. I think his I think his manager would do that in another escape billy just slid out of his shackles Because at 90 pounds it was impossible to keep the kid handcuffed. This is true This is completely true. The handcuffs at the time weren't built for arms as thin as his So they could not wear them So they would kept trying to like they were like all right now We got you and then he you'd cut back to and it's like a bugs bunny cartoon where you'd be like outside of it going like I'm here Oh my and other times he'd escape with the help of the soldier just because he was so damn likeable people like him

Yeah, it's about being being funny is the only thing that matters in life and in some professions. Thank god not this one The living end But eventually billy was forced to leave camp grant after he committed his first murder. Oh By august of 1877 the kid had somewhat gone straight again and had received advance wages from a forage contractor named sorghum smith Flush with money the kid in the parlance of the times had dooted himself up. Yeah, he went straight to the drip, dude Yeah, he did was that he like fucking went and bought himself like some fucking shoes instead of boots Got some fancy new clothes and to celebrate his new duds and his new fucking job He went for a drink at george atkins saloon people do not fucking change. They don't change

It's yeah, it's so funny man. I love that idea because he's a young guy Yeah, and he was no stranger to the ladies, right? They all loved him like women loved him even at his young age Uh, because there was a lot of mary k. Latour knows going around and he walked in there dressed all day And he's just ready to have a good time. This is his night. Oh, he's celebrating. He got a job. He's living the american experience New kicks new duds. Let's go to the club man. He's gonna go get fucked up But unfortunately for the small-framed kid his bully was also at george's place that night Oh, this man was a blacksmith named windy Cahill so named windy either because he was always angry i.e

Blowing about one thing or another or because he was a real farty bitch They literally just said it's because he farted a lot But can you imagine how much do you have to fart to make it your nickname? Can you imagine like if you fart but only when you're deadly angry and it's very very serious where you like you confront Something like i'll be gonna talk about this money. I'm gonna have to talk about what belongs to you and belongs to me And how when it comes down to it, then you don't want to end up in the wrong end of a sick shooter It's a good way to break the tension

We know everyone had no one could laugh because i can't laugh i was super serious But i also was a serial farder I would if anybody laughed at my farts and shoot them in the head. Yeah Yeah, you probably did well when billy arrived that night dooted up and wearing a pistol Wendy Cahill laid into him started making fun of both billy's clothes and billy's gun Oh, you just got a gun and you think girls like you, huh? You think you're just a fancy little boy that i want to be with You're just a fancy little boy. I want to crawl up in a bed with

a Cahill called billy a pimp which was a big insult in those days You did not call someone a pimp and the kid in turn called cahill a son of a bitch Yeah, i mean that's the funny that in this time period like uh like deadwood for example is pretty historically accurate Except for all the fucks and god damn it's and and so on and so forth those words didn't really exist in the american vernacular back then Like if you were to actually go back to deadwood, there are they do say fuck and they do say there are there is that but it's not really It was in the west. It's more like they'd say like dad gum and Yeah, dad gum and jim and christen and shit like that like son of a bitch was about the worst thing you could call someone's

I call him someone a motherfucker Oh, yeah, it wasn't the the the language which was much much different out there Now why would i fuck my mother if she was a bitch? So your your insults are flawed. I love my mother and i fuck her All right, so how dare you call her a bitch. Yeah, you can call me a motherfucker. That's fine. That's accurate Well after billy the kid called cahill a son of a bitch cahill threw the kid to the ground and started slapping billy's face I just gonna put my belly on you gonna get big downstairs. You fancy little boy Oh no

He farted on billy the kid. We're ruining this for marcus. We are yes. He asked us. I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit Small and quick billy immediately went for his pistol and just when cahill saw what was happening billy fired a shot right into windy's gut Now gut shot it's pretty much the worst way to die from a gunshot wound It can take a day or longer for the body to leak enough human waste into your guts to infect and kill you And with windy cahill it did indeed take all night to die So you you you drowned in your own shit inside of your body It's not really fills you with infection in your body. They had no way to go inside you and stop all the

You're in your duodenum emptying shit inside of you. Yeah, it's not drowning as much as it is poison Like you just poison yourself to death with your own shit Okay, and it hurts the entire time and the pain gets worse and worse and worse Then you get a fever when the infection sits in And then you you die in a feverish haze After a day or so. It's not great. Not at all great The thing is about billy He's not going to wait around to see if windy cahill survives this gunshot wound

As soon as the shot was fired the kid ran out of the saloon Stole a horse named cash off from a professional gambler named joseph murphy in a flood town This was my night out Yeah, that's breaking my number one rule. He stole a horse with a name not good billy Now remember at the time of this murder billy the kid is only 16 years old And considering windy cahill's reputation as a bully and considering the fact that they were in a saloon Billy could have easily argued self-defense a lot of times. They don't even uh at the time Law enforcement barely even looked at crimes like this. Like it's true. They would kind of sort it out

They would look at what happened lost the fight I guess basically and they would just let it go because it happened so often He can't arrest everybody who fucking accidentally quote-of-quote accidentally shot somebody during a fight in a saloon They did find a way to do that and make a lot of money off of it But well, you just I mean a sheriff might just go and ask Uh and just like ask the people there was like was there a fight like was this righteous and they go? Yeah, yeah, yeah that guy they did he just lost and like all right. See you later. Let me tell me. Let me say Did he get did he fart?

He did It's an official fight then He just lost And that's the other thing too is that nobody really liked windy cahill Uh and in the old west like if nobody likes you and if you especially if you're a bully and you end up getting shot dead It's kind of like that story uh where like the whole town It was what in the 70s or 80s or something like that when the whole town got together and murdered This guy who just terrorized uh the entire population and then they all said like we don't know what happened

Sometimes you get what you got coming. Yeah, and you know when you put these two things together Billy most likely would have gotten off in this murder scot-free But since he ran the kid was charged with murder a hanging offense From that moment forward. There was no turning back Billy settled into the role of an outlaw which outside of a couple attempts to go straight That'd be the role billy would play for the rest of his short violent life Now when the kid reappeared in the summer of 1877 he was suddenly fluent in spanish somehow Wow, and he'd filled out his frame. Well, he was I think he got really embedded into the culture and he was around it quite a bit

Uh seemed he had a spanish girlfriend Um that he I think helped quite a bit and then uh my dad talks about how when he volunteered to join the navy He'd volunteered at five foot five like 130 and then during his time period from like 17 to 20 when he was in And he came in and he's a stout five foot seven and a half 106 what does that have to do with Billy the kid? I'm just saying you fill out it's tiny guys fill out No, he did fit. Yeah, he filled out between like between uh, the just like a summer pretty much Uh, you know, he shot up to the the the kingly height of five foot eight Uh, and he gained about 40 pounds

He's about so it's like so Billy the kid during the time like the legendary Billy the kid size It's about five foot eight 135 But actually I thought he would be shorter. So five foot eight. I mean, you know, that's average american. That's the average height of an american man Yeah, interesting And despite what we might think from the one verified picture of Billy the kid He was actually thought of as quite handsome. I think the term that the uh zoomers would use now is something along the lines of ugly hot He was a um the way I put it He's kind of has that pete davidson style where he is not big people love him and people are attracted to very attractive

Man, but you say he's attractive. I don't know if I would call him classically. I'm just being nice. I think he's not ugly I think he's attractive But Billy the kid was one of the ghosts I think what is one of those people that his personality because he was a fun guy He was a fun guy But you know, but really when you look at the fucking famous picture of Billy the kid the 10 type that everyone knows I mean, it looks like Billy the kid is one of the ugliest motherfuckers in the whole of new Mexico He's ugly guy

I think he's ugly, but I think he's he's but he's also kind of cute But that's the things like I mean from the other pictures that we're pretty sure are of the kid There's like two more pictures that are but we can 100 confirmed but we're pretty sure they're of him And also by using computer imaging on the one picture that is confirmed to be Billy the kid We can see that the Billy the kid 10 type was just a really Really bad picture I mean imagine that the worst picture you ever took in your entire life Was the only picture of you that ever existed

And therefore that's what everyone thought you looked like all the time. I literally know that picture of me Like I know what that picture is I'm gonna post it for when we put up the episode because an idea of like what if this was the only thing you knew In reality Billy the kid had expressive blue eyes and a handsome oval face And while he did have two slightly protruding squirrel teeth They fit the whole package, you know And people often associated those squirrel teeth with Billy's ever-present smile and laugh and his ever-vesant boyish ways Yeah

So when Billy the kid resurfaced he was back in new Mexico, which for all intents and purposes was home Specifically Billy showed up in Lincoln County where his legend would begin to grow in earnest In Lincoln County Billy joined a gang called the boys Which included one of the most hated desperados in new Mexico Jesse Evans This loose coalition of bandits mostly stole horses and cattle and numbered anywhere between 10 and 30 men Now when the kid killed Wendy Cahill, he had already dropped the last name McCarty and was going by his stepfather's name of Antrim although he still used Henry as his first name Henry but within weeks of joining the boys the kid changed his name again

He was then going by William H. Bonnie or Billy to his friends Most people though just called him The kid well because it's easy to be known as the kid when you're the only child looking thing in a sea of like gnarly desperados Yeah question. Did he like the name? He loved it. He did because I could see it going either way though because he refer to himself as the kid Okay, yeah, so after leaving the boys after just a short period of time The kid was taken in by a woman named Barbara Ma'am Jones High School who had a reputation for taking in strangers and lost boys to feed doctor and shelter them

Where was old ma'am jones when I was 25? Exactly. I'm gonna be washed and fed When you were a busty woman, yeah, you can take care of yourself. You're a quarter of a century Washing my legs, feeding me soup right to my mouth, put my IV in, suck on my dick I can make you a paraplegic if you are I just want to be terry shybo, but would get my dick sucked. That's all I want You don't even wish that upon yourself. Don't even wish that Yeah, man, you're fucking you are dancing on a monkey's paw ledge right there

With billy though ma'am jones probably gave a little more than just food and shelter See billy young as he was he became known for his charm and his magnetism It was said that he was Irresistible to women because women they either wanted to sleep with him mother him or Do both as ma'am jones most likely did Best part about ma'am jones still got the milk. That's great. Still got that milk. Isn't that nice? He can make butter out of it You made my breakfast

Billy at this time was also getting a reputation for having all the skills necessary To be a legendary wild west gun fighter He could fire a gun hanging off the side of his horse like an Apache and that was a big fucking deal Like i'm talking like he was able to actually hang up ride his horse forward and hang off the side to use his horse As cover. This is a big end to fire accurately at the same time This is one that's one of the most feared Apache techniques that there were It was like cool within the desperado world to fashion themselves after the Apache and who they were attacking It was really because they looked up to them as warriors and it's like like these guys fucking kick ass

Yeah, he could also pick up a handkerchief lying on the ground while riding his horse at full speed Which is also extraordinarily difficult. He was very proud of it And of course he was becoming one hell of a shot This I think is my favorite detail about Billy the kid He spent all of his money on bullets because he was constantly firing his gun at everything In an attempt to become the best shot possible and just because he liked the bang bang He loved to fire his gun and I get it, but he also was like actively Training himself like he was practicing all the time to be a gun slinger

Mm-hmm. Well from what friend Frank co said Billy could take two six shooters loaded and cocked One in each hand and twirl one in one direction and the other in the other direction at the same time without setting off either one It's a gun spinning. It's the gun spinning. He was amadextrous. Mm-hmm as far as what guns Billy used He favored the colt 44 frontier and the compact 41 colt double action thunderer And he probably got a taste for the frontier because the colt 44 that's what the military used Remember he spent a lot of time robbing the military. So I think he just got used to it But at the same time he was said to be as gentlemanly as a college-bred youth And quickly became a community favorite everywhere. He went that is like weirdly what young guns got correctly

About their vibe like what the regulator's vibe where we'll get in next episode But that concept of that of like they were always like going like ma'am like no matter what they did Like it was always like very cordial. I do love the idea of shooting up a bar and then just being like In a good day like that is a polite gentleman as blood is everywhere and people are screaming I mean Emilio Estevez and young guns. It's it's a fun portrayal of Billy the kid, but it's a very sociopathic portrayal of Billy the kid like the one thing that it does get a couple of things right about him Oh, historically, it's completely. I'm just completely wrong. What? Yeah, it's completely. Yeah, it's it's pretty wrong It's you know, what's funny. It's more accurate than I expected it to be

But the relative tranquility of billy's life was shattered in october of 1877 When the aforementioned jesse evans and three other members of the boys were captured by a posse led by Lincoln County Sheriff William Brady and while billy was no longer officially a member of the boys He still participated in the jailbreak to freeze former comrades because if there's one word that can describe billy the kid above all others its loyalty This brought him into direct conflict for the first time with one of the major players in the upcoming Lincoln County war and that's where we'll pick back up for part two of billy the kid All right. We're just starting this roller coaster ride. Yeah next week. Awesome. Next week

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