Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 465: Billy the Kid Part IV - Wanted Dead or Alive

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

We end the series with Billy the Kid evading Pat Garrett 'til Billy's subsequent capture, daring escape, and inevitable downfall. And then we pose the question: Did Billy the Kid actually live to become Brushy Bill?Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left That's when the cannibalism started Hey guys So today's episode I'm getting serious. This is my serious voice. Oh wow Henry We got the test results back. Oh, no. Yes. It looks like you're about to have a litter of puppies Important important territory we're entering today. It's the final episode of Billy the kid. Oh, man I'm gonna miss Billy. We all are we all are but honestly, you don't have to worry about missing Billy because he's not dead. Whoa Yes

Young is he still Billy the kid? No, he is Billy the I guess the stone man Billy the fucking pile of guts That does not roll off the tongue like Billy the kid But guys I want to say I know we're heading into controversial territory at the end of this episode if we don't Land this one. I'm talking about a perfect 10 I'm talking about that little weird red-head girl with the broken ankles when she landed Carrie Strug If we don't carry strug this episode 1988 I think yeah, yeah, we might not be allowed back into one of the worst parts of Texas

All right. Well, we definitely want to get back to Waco. They have a doctor pepper museum. Yeah, isn't that exciting? Welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone. I am Ben hanging out with Henry and of course Marcus I can't believe what a journey. It's been these past three weeks And I can't believe that we are concluding our Billy the kid series dog me Do you know how important this episode is how clutch this story is to your fucking Texas? Crette Marcus has been living up to a very high standard thus far. Yes Hey, man, I'm living up to my family standards, which are the highest fucking standards there are Almost cripplingly high almost made it so it made it difficult for you

No, hey, man, I was raised in Wild West history. I know this shit. I'm fucking into this This has been fucking I've been having such a great time doing this You might start a fight with some men with very big hats and very very skinny bodies out there because they don't even know Yeah, the people the people of Hicco, we might get a fucking it We might get an email or two from the Billy the kid museum out in Disagree even step one foot in Hicco. I won't let you into McDonald's cuz it's the only restaurant we got Oh my goodness and what other restaurant do you need breakfast lunch and dinner? All right, everyone. Let's get on to Billy the kid part four. Yeah

so That's a really good. That's a really good one. You're getting your you're getting your Texas yell on buddy I'm in I might be a little cowboy, but my throat is wide. Okay. Thank you So when we last left Billy the kid He was nearing the peak of his infamy and as a result He was being hunted by posse's both federal and local with the local manhunt being led by Billy's nemesis Pat Garret No, we like him right or we don't Ah, Pat Garret's an interesting character. I mean, what do we somewhere in between? That's a way to mosey out of that

Him and Billy I find as equals I find both of them both good and as bad as the other Yeah Well, let's decide together as a community is Pat carrot good or bad Perhaps we'll have the answers by the end of the episode perhaps now at one point these two manhunts joined forces Under the guidance of federal Asian as a rye wild a posse of 50 men Which included Pat Garrett was put together to capture Billy not for the crime of murder But for the more capitalist crime of cattle rustlin and that is just a part of American history of using Financial crimes to catch murderers. Absolutely. That's how they get them. May I just I see the picture of Billy the kid

What 50 men 50 men? He is the equivalent of Jerry. Yeah, my little Jerry I played a game with Jerry yesterday Can he get out the door and he can? Did he he escaped again? No, this was inside the house He was getting out of the entertainment room But I was playing like can't get out the door, but then he tricked me well, Ben You'd say that you know 50 men to catch Billy the kid. They couldn't do it. Yep. What? Yeah After Azaria Wilde's grand sweep to flesh out the kid failed to even come close to catching Billy the federal agent went home

Because he figured they had actually caught quite a few outlaws and at that point the Texas Panhandle Cattlemen So like well, it's enough to take the cattle rustling numbers down so catch Billy if you want We don't give a fuck. Yeah, they just kept catching other guys For Billy and they'd find another outlaw and be like, well, I guess we'll arrest this fucking guy So you mean to tell me they're playing Red Dead Redemption and they can't get to the main mission because the side quests are too distracting Stop with the wanted posters get to the main mission Well, once Azaria Wilde went home the hunt for Billy the kid was solely in the hands of Pat Garrett And Pat Garrett refocus the manhunt to capture Billy because Pat Garrett was there to serve warrants for the murders of Sheriff William Brady and

Buckshot Roberts did he's a and he's a principled man and he will not he has decided this this is his duty And he is not going to swerve hear me out exploding turkeys Billy the kid loves his turkeys put a couple of bombs on some turkeys send him loose suicide bomb turkeys barely kid runs after the turkey picks it up Three two one. Oh, no You know all the other turkeys are all like anything and bowing your human like wall human rules your human wars Feed with a big Big woggling it. I love a good turkey neck

Hey, it's for this gorilla warfare. No, they're not Well, if you'll remember Sheriff William Brady and Buckshot Roberts had both been killed during the Lincoln County War and Billy was supposed to have been pardoned for both murders by Governor Wallace because remember Billy had testified Against the gang known as the boys. Mm-hmm after they'd killed the one-armed lawyer Houston Chatton Hmm, but as it was the pardon never Materialized and Billy was now perpetually on the run Now after the wanted dead or alive posters appeared Billy and his gang divided their time amongst familiar spots like Fort Sumner Where the gang spent most every night drinking and gambling at beaver Smith's old saloon

I don't want to drink at a saloon that is not named after a woodland creature I want every man that owns a saloon to be named beaver Hedgehog Hedgehog Henderson. Yeah, that's a good saloon name froggies before Augustin. I would go to froggy saloon in a fucking arby I'm with Farot Fred's fuck. Yeah, man I don't know about Farot Fred's because you can shit on the floor and Fred Fred Fred Fred. Well. Yeah, that's what makes it so fun Now although it might seem like a bad idea to hang around known haunts at this point in time Billy was actually safest in places where people knew him because those people protected Billy and would warn him if they saw the Law coming and he also his reputation because there are a lot of people who did think that he was a fucking serial killer

So it kind of kept him safe as well Hmm. Yeah, but in the end Pat Garrett was just too persistent on December 18th 1880 Pat Garrett and his gang of 12, which they had a fun little name for themselves. They called themselves the Panhandle Posse This is my question Do you think that they sit and all choose a name? But do you think that there is an afternoon where they all like sit on logs and they're like, hmm So what do we call this group of like-minded men? And they're like, yeah, we call ourselves the dickle boy

Say how about we call ourselves the suck dick gang Maybe the front butts the front We have fupas. Yeah, I don't know I don't know if other people give him the name or if it starts off as a joke and then it becomes serious I don't know like cuz the regulators. They just like we ought to give ourselves a name. Oh, you ever read that down novel the regulars Yeah, I love that one. All right, we're the regulators see that sweet though. They were all kids. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense Yeah, but these were grown men. Yeah So the Panhandle Posse hid themselves in a building in Fort Sumner and began a stakeout waiting for Billy and his gang

Finally after the Panhandle Posse spent five days holding up inside of a hospital building the kids gang rode into town But Billy somehow got a sense that something wasn't right So he told his gang which included his dutiful sidekick Tom O Foliard to ride ahead Sure, Billy. You want me to ride? Do you want to maybe ride on my horse with me and help protect you all your days, Billy? Oh my goodness. What kind of sidekick is this? He's the side simp But also this is an interesting way they also break this down because they have all these different informants because one group had Their informant go in and see where Pat Garrett was and then that guy immediately flipped and told Pat Garrett Where all of they all were and so they just knew where they all were but Billy did have this weird sixth sense

And because it worked for him every time he always listened to it. Yeah It's like if spider-man chewed tobacco, it'd be bad in the mask. Oh, horrible Spider-man with fucking throat and mouth cancer If you've ever put a fucking pinch of snuff in your mouth, you know how fucking gross that is. I used to do it all the time I've drank a few spitters back in my day. Yeah, I'm drinkin. Yeah, I drank some spitters too. No Well Billy's instinct in this turned out to be correct because as soon as Billy's gang rode by the building where the panhandle posse He was waiting Garrett yelled out and told the outlaws to throw up their hands. Whoa Oh foliard instinctively went for his six-shooter Billy gets down

Before he could even get it out of the holster one of Garrett's men or Pat Garrett himself Shot Tom in the chest right below the heart. Well, that is unfair. I was barely able to un Tether my gun and now I am dying. Honestly, that's the ultimate sub The rest of the gang took off and other than a wound today of root of boss horse Poor loyal Tom was the only casualty as the other men rode away Oh foliard sat on his horse bleeding and begging Garrett to help him down 45 minutes later Billy the kids best friend was dead But the panhandle posse weren't just satisfied to take down one of Billy's closest confidants

See Billy's gang was a little rattled by the encounter fucking oh foliard was one of their big one of their best guys He's been around since the regulators days. Yeah, so they retreated to another familiar spot 12 miles away at the Wilcox brazil ranch There they rode into the hills and hid in a building at a spot called stinking spring No, I love the idea that they have like kind of like folklore names and like the folklore Like reasons why it's called stinking spring, but you know, it's just where the Native Americans went to take a dump No, I don't know that for years. Maybe it was it because what what smells so bad? Yeah, yeah, cuz I had their farts You can go out there and fart over there because it already smells like farts

Maybe they called it stinky springs so no one else would go there and maybe it smelled really good It could be one of those things like Devil's Creek and be like why is it called Devil's Creek? Because that's where we have our barbecues. Hmm. No, there's a fair amount of natural hot springs around New Mexico So I would imagine it's you know one of them sulfur things It's like when you go to Iceland and all the fucking showers smell like sulfur all the time And then when you take a shower and you get out of the shower the sulfur smell is filled in your entire fucking hotel room And then the entire time you're there. You just smell like sulfur. Well, never forget. There's not I didn't know it was a farty rock I didn't know that that was what Iceland was all about the whole world is just a big farty rock

Yep, that's something yeah, it's something and whenever you get stressed just think that Indeed absolutely By the next evening Garrett's posse had tracked down Billy the kid's gang And as the posse laid siege to the gang a man appeared in the doorway of the gang's hideout wearing a distinctive hat Much like the old-style sombrero that Billy the kid used to wear. Oh my god. It's Raiden Whoa, that'd be awesome. Well, it's not like a full like sombrero It's not like a big it's not like the type of like Tourist sombrero that you get in like like fucking Cabo Wabo like the old like sombrero was just kind of an old name for like a

Distinctive wide-brinned hat. Yeah, the hat that Billy's wearing in the in the picture that we know of that's considered a sombrero Why why did I feel as if you were saying Cabo Wabo was not the authentic Mexican experience. Yeah, I mean I don't semi-hagar, which is what he calls himself when he's in Cabo. Yes, it is very very Mexican Now Pat Garrett wasn't necessarily of the opinion Billy the kid was one of the deadliest boys in the West just yet But he thought that if the kid was dead the gang would lose morale and give up You know make his job a lot easier So upon seeing the distinctive hat in the doorway Pat Garrett fired Seven shots. What most of them hits

But the man in the doorway wasn't Billy the kid. He was just wearing the wrong hat. Yep Instead it was Billy's friend Charlie Baudry who like Tom O'Follard had been with Billy since the regulator days Now I know why you let me your hat Man, I'd like to say things have changed but unfortunately, I don't know if they have Billy the kid is It's not necessarily the most courageous man who's ever lived. No, I'm child He straight up did these things on purpose like he would do that shit I don't know. I don't think he sacrificed Charlie Baudry. No, he loved Charlie Baudry No, no, no, that's that's far beyond his character. Just so happened. He was wearing the same hat. Yeah. Yeah, that's similar hat

Yeah, I'm similar now. I don't know. Maybe they were having fun just screwing around Oh Mortally wounded Baudry stumbled back into the building. It was obvious he was gonna die soon So Billy told him that even though the posse had murdered him He should still kill some of those sons of bitches before he died. Yeah, this is a cool one, man So they sent Charlie Baudry back outside with a gun and a desire to go down in a blaze of glory Second reference to Nordberg this week we referenced him on side stories as well. They just made him full of more bullets

Yeah, they were just like, yeah, you're already shot once go take a couple of more Maybe you can get one or two. Well, well, you're at it. That's how you do. Yeah, yeah, man But Charlie had just been shot too many times. Oh Instead Charlie Baudry stumbled toward Pat Garrett saying quote how wish wish wish I'm dying and Charlie Baudry did just that. Oh man, and then as we learned from South Park you immediately shit yourself

Now it was apparent at this point after losing two men in as many days that Pat Garrett was playing this man hunt aggressively Oh, this guy's been kind of aggro right now He seems to not be taking any prisoners. I didn't know what we did Well to make him do this so Billy tried coming up with an escape plan before all of them ended up dead in A typically daring scheme Billy planned to lead a horse inside the building So he could ride out of the narrow doorway in a mad dash Hopefully taking the posse by surprise just enough where he could avoid getting shot And then while the posse is busy with him the other two guys could let it light out as well

Well, so you remember this is like in a movie. It's exactly what you think It is a tiny little building in a gulch and they are completely surrounded by men and horses Okay, they're all just hanging inside of it and they had shot the other two horses They're already in front of it. Yep Garrett was taking no chances with Billy the kid So he shot this horse as well as it was walking through the door Well actually first he tried shooting the lead rope because that's how good of a shot Pat Garrett was He's like, ah, you know if I just I don't want to have to kill this horse So if I just shoot the rope then Billy won't be able to lead the horse inside

But then we couldn't shoot the rope because I fuck it just killed a horse So the horse and you know once they killed it horse is huge it blocked the only way out of the building and all you mr. dead oh He called the mr. Dead instead of mr. Ed actually that's a cool goth version of mr. Ed Yeah, we should save it for our cartoons Well, it was at this point that Billy and Garrett started an almost cinematic back and forth Garrett called out asking Billy how he is fixed in there and Billy said they're doing pretty good But they didn't have any wood for breakfast

So Garrett asked Billy to come out and be sociable. Let's see a beaver. What do you mean? There's no wood for breakfast Man to make a fire this is like a John Woo movie, dude Okay, this is 1881 you think they got fucking pop tarts in there Without all these unbelievable foods we don't need the only gogurt said we're man-made gogurt So Garrett asked Billy to come out and be sociable and to this Billy the kid told him to go straight to hell. Yeah Next the posse heard what sounded like digging and picking coming from the building and before long The posse figured out that the gang were digging holes in the wall to make gun ports

It's about to be a fucking battle. We're good. We're they're trying to do a do a fucking repeat of the five days battle in Lincoln Yeah, so but to fucking head that off at the past Garrett ordered his men to fire at the source of the sounds Stop that plan as well. Oh my goodness and the whole time. They're in the stinky gulch. Dare. I say those are farting words Yeah, the underneath it Well, we'll finally got Billy's gang out of their fortifications stinking springs though was hunger plain and simple Knowing that Billy's men had run out of food during the days-long siege Then this thing this seems like a solution that you would come up with. All right. Let's hear it out Pat Garrett ordered his men to cook the biggest tastiest meal their provisions could muster

This is that's called the Chipotle technique. Yes The old ponderosa buffet idea the smell of flame-roasted beef was the final straw for the outlaws And I'm a fucking looney-tune Let's smoke them out. I have a better idea. Let's cook them out. Let's come in And after taking a vote they agreed to surrender despite Billy the kids insistence they should hold out to the end guys I vote that we go eat breakfast Billy the kid was the last one to leave the building, but he was finally in the custody of Pat Garrett Wow

And of course once Billy came out he turned on the charm the possemen said that he was cheerful and chatterin Joking that the only reason why he gave up was because he thought Garrett had 200 Texans outside waiting for him The gang was then disarmed fed and taken to the Wilcox Brasile Ranch under threat of an on-the-spot Execution if they tried to flee hmm Billy though already media savvy looked at his capture almost as a PR Opportunity saying that once people got to know him He hoped that they might now think of him as half-human instead of all animal Jared Fogle also tried this Yeah, it didn't work out Billy the kid also kind of in a way. He thought like I'll just escape again Yeah, this is what I do man. Yeah, I can because every single time it seems to be they bring me in closer

I find an opportunity to wiggle my way out well after gathering themselves the posse took Billy and his gang to Las Vegas, New Mexico where Preparations were being made to take the outlaws to the territorial capital of Santa Fe by train Upon arriving in Las Vegas, New Mexico Billy joyfully greeted the crowds and made jokes about how he was just stopping by to see How everyone was doing it's so funny man It's actually kind of crazy because everyone's just like Billy you're fucking crazy The fucking crowd the crowds gave him all the wondering curiosity that people give to a celebrity He's just a straight-up fucking celebrity now

I just feel bad for the couple from Wisconsin who gets off the plane They got their little little sunscreen on their nose, and they're ready to go gambling in Las Vegas It's Las Vegas, New Mexico, Las Vegas, New Mexico Hey, Barb. I think we in the wrong Las Vegas Man just gave me free methamphetamine. Oh, man. Oh gosh, Barb The gang member Dave Rootabaugh, however was offered no such hospitality He was loathed in the town of Las Vegas Why before he'd hooked up with the kid? He had killed a beloved local lawman by the name of Valdez

Yeah, and then Billy's like, hey me. Yeah. Yeah, finally But while the people of Las Vegas bided their time for Rootabaugh's neck Billy the kid gave an easygoing interview to the same newspaper that had given Billy his most famous alias Again, Billy joked through most of it saying the laugh was on him this time and Ask him the reporter if the jail in Santa Fe was any better than the one where he was being held It's cute. He's a funny guy. People like him. Yeah Eventually Billy and his gang were put on a train to Santa Fe to face judgment for their actions But once gang member Dave Rootabaugh was moved out of the Las Vegas jail a mob

Gathered to keep him in town to answer for the murder of deputy Valdez This is back when the American people could all stand together and say let's kill a man as one Wow, isn't it? It takes all kinds. It wasn't a they weren't trying to lynch him on the spot They wanted to try him in Las Vegas. They wanted him there. Yeah, they wanted one guy with a one guy with a quill Be like I'll take a limb So go right leave old pervy Steve out of it. Yeah, I'll take a limb happen a little bit of a spankin Oh, we need several minutes inside of my medical bag. What about just kiss him? 35 people gathered to stop the train from leaving town and as Pat Garrett and his posse did their best to keep the mob at bay

Billy the kids sat back and gave another interview tour reporter the chaos in this scene is as kind It's so cinematic and fucking awesome because the train is just on the tracks and the crowd is just other on the tracks And they're basically saying there's more of us than you will come in there and kill all of you guys inside of the train Unless you give us fucking root of all right Meanwhile all the people inside of the train all have guns and are waiting to shoot meanwhile Like Billy the kid is giving an interview out the window like Shit fucking crazy It's so fun. It's just very like, you know, it's just chaos or ants. Yeah, absolutely

Well, eventually though a local merchant convinced the mob to allow Garrett to take care of root of all legally Especially after it was pointed out that the whole mob was in danger of being guilty of a hanging offense Delaying the United States mail. That was a huge crime in the Old West Yeah, that was a that was one of the only crimes that was punishable by death I believe at the time to where it's like you could even get away with murder Maybe during the time period, but the you are the the US mail was highly protected. Don't mess with the mail Yeah, I mean well murder was you could argue for murder, but you know vengeance you could argue for you know He called me a liar. He tried to kill me first. We got into a fight. I accidentally did it. Sorry

Yeah, you could actually you could get along you could get away with murder easier than you can get away with fucking stealing a letter Yeah, yeah But also was it a true that Pat Garrett wasn't there a moment because I seem to remember this from to hell on a fast horse Was that Pat Garrett? Looked at Billy the kid at some point. They were all stuck Then wondering whether or not that posse was gonna kill all of them And he kind of thought like we might as well give Billy a gun too because they're gonna fucking kill him too if they So we all got a fucking fight our way out of this

I would imagine if they rushed Pat Garrett would have tossed Billy a gun because Billy's one hell of a gunfighter Like he can fucking do it, man. That's like giving Charles Manson a dune buggy in prison Honestly, man, give him a salt lick so he can pretend he's eating pussy Assault But even though Billy was taking a train to stand in a trial he had no hope of winning He did his best to convince everyone around him that he was a harmless goofball Amusing fellow passengers by demonstrating just how far he could bite into a piece of pie. That's cute It's cute

But that's always that's always Billy the kids game game when he gets captured is that he is trying to relax everyone Yeah, he's trying to show everyone that he's harmless and during this trip He even managed to turn the opinion of the reporter from the Las Vegas Gazette Las Vegas Gazette Reporter wrote that when you looked at Billy the kid and listen to his conversation, it was difficult to believe that you were in the presence of Such a red-handed murderer, but he was don't you fucking forget that too because he will fucking shoot you in the head He did have what we would now call a sense of glibness like essentially like I don't think that he is a full-on psychopath, but I do think that he He

How do you put this he became as comfortable with murderers any sane person can during this time period? It was a boy. It was a way. It was part of his life So if you took him and put him in quote-unquote regular society He would appear to be a raving psychopath because he would shoot you at the fucking at the drop of that if he had to if he Out he had to if he felt he had to but also when it comes down to it like but also, you know You like that fun. I mean to be sure Billy the kid was a murderer Just before the train reached the territorial capital of Santa Fe the kid casually remarked to Pat Garrett that those who live by the Sword die by the sword. Yeah

Now when Billy arrived in Santa Fe he was just as if not more beloved than he'd been in Las Vegas, New Mexico He had a steady stream of visitors to a cell many of whom brought him gifts of gum candy pause nuts and Cigarettes, that's a lot man. It is literally you Marcus You'll be the only one to get detained for smuggling a bunch of fucking candy up his asshole Be like, you know, you can't do that. He's like just please you guys don't have urn brew I hope you don't do not move that urn brew because it's gonna hurt coming out. No, but also

Yeah, when we were to steady a some rap from airheads gave you an entire box of airheads our kids too much It was too much airheads, but it was very thank you Yeah, very so much, but it was God. It was so much. You can't kill me with that candy, man It's too much candy. Yeah, you have the same diet as Billy the kid. Yeah, okay, man in many ways Oh, yes, we're trying to rebrand BTK is Billy the kid. We'll see if it happens Well Pat Garrett was also enjoying his moment in the Sun seen as how he was now the man who had captured New Mexico's most Supposedly dangerous criminal. Hmm. Would you not say that this is kind of like the it's the Batman Joker element where they both

Understood that they both like featured in each other's lives very importantly like Pat Garrett looked at Billy the kid as somebody who's like You you complete me. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. No, they were definitely two sides of the same coin But even though Billy was enjoying himself. He wasn't sitting still while he and his gang awaited trial They got to work digging beneath the cell wall of the jail hiding dirt and stones in their bedding But this too was discovered and afterward the gang was heavily shackled and constantly guarded from that point until the trial Mmm. What's somewhat sad about all this though is that while Billy the kid was on trial for the murders of Sheriff Brady and Buckshot Roberts He never stopped writing letters to Governor Wallace Asking for the goddamn pardon that he was goddamn promised. I had actually viewed you put it towards the young and naivete

I would put it towards like a hope like this idea of being like you don't really want to end the story of Billy the kid now Do you know he's got a whole competitive eating career that he could have had? Mm-hmm crazy legs. Yes, indeed Wallace of course had no response at all most likely because Billy the kid had become too infamous to partner Wallace probably figured that if you just waited it out Billy the kid would be dead sooner rather than later and who's gonna remember some punk kid outlaw after he's dead and gone How dare you say that mister? I'm sorry. I just turned it to a man a man from Heiko per second Did you solve the memory Billy the key? And at the time Wallace was making a safe bet had Billy just been tried and hanged

Wallace might have gotten his wish We might not even be talking about Billy the kid right now Hmm and all signs were pointing towards a swift verdict and an even swifter execution Hmm see the circumstances of Billy's trial were heavily weighted against him The judge gave the jury instructions that all the prosecution had to do to prove Billy's guilt They just had to prove that Billy was present at the murders. It's a very wide parameter Well, he was the one who was chosen to take the fall essentially by the government They're like somebody has got to be because someone's got to get this punishment that's coming

And Billy the kid's the most famous one so we got to kill him because if we kill him then that shows all the other outlaws Even the most charming of you. We will hang. Yeah, absolutely Following that very broad instruction Billy the kid was found guilty of murder in the first degree and was sentenced to be Hanged from the neck until he was dead in a month's time in the location where the deeds were done Lincoln County and that's where we'll end our episode and of course seeing as how Pat Garrett was sheriff of Lincoln County It was his job to take Billy back to Lincoln to await execution and Garrett would be damned if Billy was to make one of his infamous Escapes on the way back On the 145 mile long wagon ride

Billy the kid was handcuffed shackled and surrounded by seven armed guards Three on horseback one guy on each side one guy in the back one guy beside him in the wagon and two guys facing him in the wagon All of them armed and ready to draw and kill at a moment's notice. That's what's called That's what's called when you're traveling con horse. Yeah It's not that's not very fun Um, if they all just shot right and Billy ducked they would all just shoot each other if this was a three stooge is short I'm just saying I don't know if it's necessarily the best the best way because the people on the sides and the people facing One another can't shoot. It's a deterrent

It was just they're also not I mean yeah, Henry's right These are not just like dumb shit farmers that they're hired like these are all like Professional shots these guys know how to shoot a guy without shooting their friend Oh, it's also a show force. It's but it's a lot of things, right? It's for everybody to see it to see how serious we take this guy We're not letting this guy out no matter what you got was it 12 eyeballs on him, right? Because it's the thing is that like he could maybe not be able to On two of those guys at one I like so if he came out together we're like one ahead

Full head and also remember Billy the kid has allies too, but not every single one of his gang has been murdered at this point So, you know, they've got to protect other they've got to protect them from other guys coming in And trying to break them out. Yeah, okay What's interesting though is that Pat Garrett like everyone else he had nothing but the nicest things to say about Billy Personally remarking that Billy had a plausible excuse for each and every crime Except maybe the killing of the blacksmith Jimmy Carlisle This is kind of where all of the movies kind of come into play like these scenes Like the idea of them getting to know each other over this a hundred and forty five mile long trip where they kind of get to

So the train ride too. Oh, yes And they got to talk and hang out and then it's kind of strange because I do you see that all time people talk about with their Like serial killers kind of talk about all time with certain cops They become kind of end up becoming friends like the ones that like heavily investigate them again really Lucas famously Became essentially friends with all of those cops where they're just been like really likes his milkshakes. He's been like that's all you got to say Even Dennis Raider felt like it's such a strong connection to the guy who eventually caught him because it was the only man He respected because Billy used a fucking piece of shit. Yeah, all right brave stance on Dennis Raider Well in turn Billy told Garrett that he had no enmity towards him

Acknowledging that Pat had done his duty without malice and then treated Billy with marked leniency and kindness In other words, I think Billy the kid liked anyone who didn't bully him That's really the that's really the only standard But didn't Pat Garrett also think that he shot Billy the kid seven times, but it was another dude in Billy the kids hat That's fair game. It's fair game Seems like Pat Garrett also would have really just love to kill him, but Don't hate the player hate the game, bro. I'm with you I mean, I mean really that it that was Billy's whole things like man. This is the way it goes where you're a lawman

I'm an outlaw. This is you know, you're gonna try to kill me, but they ain't nothing personal That's the that was his whole point man It's weird you got your best friends, and he's like I like this guy It's like you got your job. I got mine. This is the way it goes. It reminds me of that cart cartoon I have no idea why it sticks in my head where they clock in and then they fight and they fight and they fight They clock out very similar to see I think like drive away. It's it's ridiculous in many ways It's kind of nice is a simpler world when you see like, you know what he comes down to like he could still recognize the Humanity of each other and they fulfilled their societal roles. Yeah, that's true. It's kind of nice in a way

Now on April 21st 1881 Billy the kid arrived back in Lincoln for the last time And was put under the guard of two men named James Bell and Bob Olinger Bob Olinger is a bastard. Okay When it came to guarding Billy the kid though Pat Garrett should have known that Billy's talent in escape Wasn't during transportation It wasn't when you'd taken him from one place to the other that you need seven guards on them Instead Billy was an expert at escaping from jails And the Lincoln County Jail would be no exception because Billy had already escaped from it multiple times

This is the chimney escape. I believe correct one of the gym. Okay, but perhaps in a moment of hubris Pat may have thought that Billy had never escaped while Pat was in charge Sure, so only three men including Pat were charged with guarding the kid The other two men in question were James Bell and Bob Olinger. Now, most everyone liked James Bell But Bob Olinger was just another bully. He was described as the meanest man in New Mexico. Wow On the top of a lot of mean men Bar and even Pat Garrett said that Olinger was born a murderer at heart and that's why I'm hiring you Wow, I appreciate it. You put that on your LinkedIn. Yes indeed. Well, that's how you know you want him

Furthermore Olinger was a bad pick because he and Billy the kid had bad blood Olinger had killed a friend of Billy's the previous year Olinger had ridden with James Dolan's men in the Lincoln County War And as I said, he was a bully and Billy the kid especially liked killing bullies, of course But perhaps Olinger's biggest sin with Billy the kid was that he was arrogant and cavalier towards one of the great escape artists of the Old West Olinger was actually doing such a bad job that a concerned citizen wrote a letter Warning Olinger to shape up it read in part

You have guarded many prisoners and faced danger many a time and apprehended them and you think that you are invincible and get away with anything But I'll tell you what as good as a man as you are that if Billy has shown the slightest chance on earth If he is allowed the use of one hand or if he is not watched every moment from now until the moment He is executed. He will affect some plan by which he will murder the whole of you before you have time to even Suspect that he has even any such intention. This is why every single person needs to listen to the Hank Hill of their community But he's a Hank Hill Henry you just think every person with a Western accent starts every single sentence with I tell you what you tell me they don't tell me What that they don't I have heard before I'll tell you what I've never heard any person besides Hank Hill start every sentence with

I tell you what that's because that's because they're saying I'll tell you what about you But I'll tell you what that Marcus Park said was just here I think he's a little he's a little right in the left hand if you know what I mean I don't know what they said he's a Texas denier Yes, indeed. I'll tell you what Staten Island. They've saved in Staten Island that every sentence in Staten Island doesn't begin with a oh 75% it does. Yeah, they really do Well, this warning was absolutely 100% correct See Billy kept up the same act

He'd played during his capture and trial smiling and joking to encourage a relaxed atmosphere around the jail It became so relaxed that Olinger once left a pistol on a table right in front of Billy the kid Oh my god But someone in the room who had an ounce of goddamn sense picked it up and yelled at Olinger for being an idiot before Billy could grab it That's where I like Billy the kid is such an interesting character in the fact that like you'd assume with no formal education That he would not really be able to do things where he like set up Set pieces like he would set up the pieces of his escape as he went but something about his street smarts He was such a like truly what you said the greatest escape artist probably of all time

Like in terms of like if you look at other people who've escaped from various prisons He kept doing it but like he bought one of the guards trust by not taking the gun The gun got put in front of him and Billy kids looking at it the guy comes takes it away and be like and yeah God damn it why you can't put it He'd be like I'm just sit nah I'm just why would I take a gun meanwhile because he knows that he just set up again like he just set it up being like Yep, you're gonna fuck up again, and I know what I'm watching seems like he's trying to clown his way out of this situation That's how you do it, buddy. You if you are not physically able you have to use jokes much like Roberto Bonini and

In life is beautiful. Hmm. Oh my god. Why do we bring in the fucking holocaust? I brought it in life is beautiful It's a holocaust clown. It's a holocaust clown. He holocaust clown in Oscar He won an Oscar so I hate holocaust. I hate holocaust clown. I hate holocaust Hear me out guys. There's a lot of atrocities around the world. We're the holocaust, right? There's a bunch of people in holocaust right now in China. We bring entertainment to them see But even though allager was a half-wit Pat Garrett was surprisingly on the ball Despite his past and future reputation as a fuck-up really Pat Garrett the time he spent Billy the kid was the only time in his life When he was fucking on it and he knew what the fuck he was doing at all times because the eye of the world was on him

Yeah, and as long as he was around Billy wasn't going anywhere, but luckily for Billy Pat Garrett was an elected official And it's the first and only time Pat Garrett fucked up See part of the sheriff's job in Lincoln County was to collect taxes and taxes over at the town of White Oak were due Before Billy's execution was gonna come to pass Interesting. I gotta go do my fucking job. Oh, yeah Ah, so Garrett rode out to White Oaks and left explicit instructions for both Bob Onger and James Bell on how to handle Billy the kid He there and he was very strict with he told them like if you follow these exact instructions

You will live until I get back if you don't you will be dead before I'm done It's like Michael Myers. I just don't know why they didn't understand that truly all you I know this is one This is a Monday morning quarterback here Mm-hmm. All you had to do truly was give him food and a big titted woman Right like some kind of like if you put titties in his face and had fed him and so I don't think that he would have done jack shit Yeah, no if you just feed him and don't yeah Just don't talk to him for the fucking gag on him until he's using he's one of those people that if you let him talk He will talk his he'll he'll talk his way into a situation where he can take advantage. He's a very intelligent kid

Yeah, no as soon give him boobs interesting Henry. I mean, that's all we can ask for that's the thing You give him boobs. He's just gonna figure out a way to turn the boobs to his advantage Yeah, I guess and then when you have boobs on your side and guns No, as soon as Pat Garrett was gone Olinger Took none of the fucking instructions. Oh, of course cuz he knew best Well, I mean he was more concerned with acting like an asshole. Yeah, he'd sit in front of Billy Loading and unloading his 10-gauge shotgun and reportedly told him this very sexually charged line The man that gets one of these loads will feel it

Oh, yeah, I knew this was fun prison you want a hot pile of one of my loads. That's you keep tugging at my belt Billy. Oh my god, one of the hollow clowns coming in And Billy of course smiled and made a half joke half threat about how Bob wasn't careful He just might accidentally shoot himself. You might cover yourself in one of your big old deadly See by this point Billy had already figured out how to escape his execution. He just needed an opening So at around 6 p.m. On April 28th Olinger temporarily Abandoned his duties guarding the kid when he escorted five prisoners across the street to the Wartley Hotel for dinner service Oh, and this of course left the most capable escape artist in the Old West

Probably the best escape artist in America to be guarded by one man Once Olinger was gone Billy told the other guard James Bell Then he needed to take a break for a nature and asked Bell if he would oblige a visit to the privy Now Bell did oblige But once Billy was out of his cell he ran to the top of the stairs ahead of Bell. He scampered up and turned down the hall out of sight Then using the same trick he used a dozen times before the diminutive kid Slipped out of his handcuffs and when Bell appeared around the corner Billy smashed him over the head with the heavy restraints

Whoa, Bell fell to the ground in surprise dropping his gun and after a short tussle Billy came up with the pistol Oh Now at this too slow Yeah Now at this point the smart decision on Bell's part would have been to just take Belly's direction and probably end up in a cell Embarrassed but alive. Yeah, but Bell panicked and therefore took off running down the stairs to go across the street and get Olinger Making a split-second decision probably the wrong one

Billy shot Bell in the back and Bell stumbled outside where he died in the arms of a cook named Godfrey Gauss. Oh, no, how am I going to make all the sauce? Talk about a Wild West scene a cook just walking down the street and all of a sudden is like well someone's dying in my hands Make soup Guess so well Billy knew he only had a moment before Olinger came to investigate the shot So Billy broke into the Jail's armory and grabbed as many guns as he could manage including Olinger's double barrel shotgun Oh, yeah, man. No, cuz it's like it's so fucking cinematic I get you like going to the fucking like it opening up the door me like hmm

Which gun do I want to use to kill fucking everybody? Cool Billy then set up in the window of the jail where he saw Bob Olinger running across the street from the hotel Just as Bob came into firing range Billy yelled hello Bob He then pulled the trigger shredding Olinger's head and chest with both bears Now for the next hour Billy the kid ruled the town of Lincoln because Lincoln honestly at this point I mean they've had the Lincoln County War They've had this murder of Sheriff Brady

They've had Billy the kid in and out of their fucking town causing chaos for about three years This point they've been through enough. So they're just doing whatever the fuck Billy the kid tells him to do He ordered people to help break his leg shackles and saddle a horse and according to witnesses Billy was very concerned about everyone knowing he wasn't proud about killing James Bell. I just want to say I'm sorry For doing that and that's like I didn't do it. That's a really good point Billy And from what the people of Lincoln later said Billy stood on the upper porch of the jail and talked with him Saying he only killed Bell because he ran He said that he was standing pat against the world and if anyone else interfered with Billy's escape

They'd die too. You get to do a whole speech. Yeah. Oh, that's and he's yeah And he's telling like I'm so like and that's the like and I think what he's doing here What it sounds like is that he is leaving no he's escaping No matter what and he knows that he will do anything to escape But he also doesn't really want to kill another person. So he's up there telling them I did not want to kill James Bell. Didn't want to do it. I did it because that's where I am right now I got to get away. I will do the same to you even though I don't want to do it and somehow that's scarier

So that's so much scarier because he's determined and he wants like we keep saying this He has made quote-unquote legit attempts to get out of the game a couple times before and he does sort of mean that but the game keeps Finding him right he keeps getting back into the business because he says basically I've made it. So I've I can't leave I have to live this lifestyle and now he's like he's gonna say I'm getting the fuck out of here But I will kill you. Yeah Finally once Billy's leg irons were removed and he was ready to leave town He broke Olinger's shotgun in two and threw the pieces at Bob's dead body saying quote

There's your gun. God damn you. You won't follow me with it any longer Yeah But to the body of James Bell Billy was gentler and more contrite He merely glanced at that body on his way out said he was sorry he had to kill him But he couldn't help it Billy then cursed saying that he hadn't been a bad man before but he'd be seen as one now And he rode out of town with eight revolvers and six rifles Singing away the guilt through what may have been a morose version of his favorite song turkey in the straw

I just imagine him going out to sing and Oh God please don't do this to me. I just got that song out of my head after 25 years of cutting me. Oh my God Joe I mean it's turkey in the straw, so it's Yeah, it's like in every trailer now. We're just a fucking slowed down pop hit. I hate this shit I hate it too. I hate it and in his estimation of how the public saw him Billy was right where he's before The Billy boys could say hey Billy the kids just getting a bad rap But now they had to contend with the fact that Billy the kid had basically killed two cops Yeah cop killer, man. Mm-hmm

And as far as the newspapers went their rhetoric about Billy the kid became even more dramatic almost to the point of being biblical Here's an excerpt William Bonnie is a young demon a terror and disgrace of New Mexico a Flagrant violator of every law a murderer from infancy Malignant and cruel urged by a spirit as hideous as hell Blind to the drooping forms of widows and the tear-stained eyes of orphans with a head untouched to pity by misfortune And with a character possessing the attributes of the damned he had reveled in brutal murder and gloried in his shame He has broken more loving hearts and filled more untimely graves than he has lived years and that he is again turned loose like some Devour and beast on the public is cause at once for consternation and

regret Infant murderers black sunshine screw baby boss. I want to see infant murderer We're going off of this Extraordinarily bad press governor Wallace put an end to the possibility of a pardon when he issued a death warrant for Billy the kid Billy could now be shot and killed without impunity Oh, and his in would come soon after so you just kind of flipped it and reversed it then governor, huh? Make it a death warrant not even close to it. That's totally opposite of a pardon now It's kind of fun though because now at least you know where you stand. Yeah, that's true

Yeah, you can stop writing letters at this point Now after Lincoln Billy stayed on the move for but it sounds like about a month or so He visited friends in Salazar Canyon lost Toblis in a cabin off of the Panasco River But before long Billy felt the pull of Fort Sumner and we talked about it last episode It's the only place on earth where he was truly loved and it was the place where his sweetheart Paulita later head Where are you Billy? Yeah, come and give us kisses Billy. I'll give you a kiss That's just the fucking cut. That's just the Jennifer Lopez voice from South Park That episode is very funny with that sweet though

So he wants to go back to the place where he was loved back to the place where he had love It's home, but it's the only place where it's home Meanwhile Pat Garrett was mired with guilt over Billy's escape See he knew the desperate character of Billy the kid and he knew that Billy would sacrifice the lives of a hundred men Who stood between him and Liberty? But Pat had gone off and left the kid with two morons anyway He had a job. He was sure he had to go do his duties He did and they were supposed to he left them instructions. Yeah, you know, he that's what he said I've left explicit instructions, but come on. He could have waited to go collect the taxes

It was like a it was I think Billy that was due to be murder or he was due to be hanging like a week or two Maybe that's a little clue. That's so the mystery that this whole show leaves us with an idea that may be in some Some subconscious way Pat Garrett was giving Billy the kid Billy the kid room to exit now They're probably just super desperate for money and totally fucking Or it could also be that Pat Garrett was not quite as competent as Pat Garrett made him out to be made himself out to be And perhaps because of this guilt Pat Garrett didn't rest until Billy the kid was six feet under the ground Oh, that's a good idea. What he needs to do is be exhausted Now Billy stayed with different friends in and around Fort Sumner and interestingly one of these friends was Pat Garrett's sister-in-law

Celsa Gutierrez Like many people in Fort Sumner She'd long before chosen her friend Balito over Pat Garrett who was her hastily married brother-in-law But there was one person in Fort Sumner who didn't like Billy the kid at all that man was Paulita's brother Pete Maxwell, I bet man. I'd be pissed. Honestly. Jackie sort of dating some known outlaw. It'd be a hard time for me I didn't know what to do He's running around with his guns. You know thinking about my sister. Mm-hmm Now even though Pete was absolutely terrified of Billy the kid

Pete was still looking for an opportunity to get rid of him And he was willing to talk to whoever to make sure that this happened and that included Pat Garrett Hmm now since Billy's escape Pat Garrett had shrunk his posse down to just two men named John Poe and Thomas McKinney Because Pat Garrett knew that his only chance to catch the kid was to move quickly and quietly Yeah, and all those other goons just slow you down Right, yeah, and it also announces that you have arrived in town. All right, you guys you're fucking in and out for three months Pat Garrett bided his time all while he was getting tips from Pete Maxwell The Billy the kid had been in and out of Fort Sumner since the escape and on one fateful night

Garrett's patients paid off completely by Accident it's in history just a series of accidents. Well, I think it also is preparation Preparation what what's that sentence? When preparation meets opportunity absolutely that is called luck Yogi Berra. No, that was no that was in it It was there was a Roman philosopher named Seneca Yogi Berra said the thing where you're gonna learn a lot just by watching Yeah, you can see a lot Just by thinking it's too busy. No one goes there anymore Yogi Berra also said if you had come to a fork in the road pick it up So in the night of July 14th 1881 Pat Garrett traveled to Fort Sumner to talk to Pete Maxwell to see if Pete's sister had

Seen the kid recently, but Garrett knew that he had to approach the situation with extreme caution See Pat knew that if Billy the kid saw him in Fort Sumner one of two things would happen Either Billy would make a getaway and never come back no matter what or more likely Billy the kid would shoot him in the face So and I like him Yeah, yeah, he liked it, but he's like no if it's between him and freedom. Oh, yeah, it's gonna be he'll shoot anybody Absolutely, so it was a much safer bet for Pat Garrett to sneak into Pete Maxwell's bedroom in the middle of the night for some much needed information Creeping in from the peach orchard outside of town at midnight Garrett and his two deputies McKinney and Poe Heard a man and a woman talking to each other in Spanish

Now it was impossible to hear what was specifically being said and it was impossible to see the man's face because he was wearing a broad brimmed hat Later though Pat would discover that they'd been listening to Billy the kid who was most likely having a romantic trist with Paulita She's So unaware that their query was in town at that very moment Pete and his men continued to Pete Maxwell's place While Pat slipped inside Pete's bedroom Poe and McKinney took positions on the front porch Meanwhile Billy the kid was feeling peckish

Oh, he is hungry a lot. He's a kid. He is a grown boy is 21 See he was actually staying at Pat's sister-in-law's place that night And when Billy walked into Celsa's house after his visit to the peach orchard He asked Celsa if she'd cook him up a little meat Now Celsa was more than happy to oblige But she told Billy that he'd have to head over to Pete's place to cut a slice from a side of freshly slaughtered beef that Pete had hanging So yeah, very fresh. May I just ask a question? May I just ask a question, please? He's at Pat Garrett's sister's house sister-in-law. Yeah, sister-in-law. Now. How did that come to be?

What's because they just got they were all in Fort Sumner together like they all just kind of became friends It's a smaller community than you think it is well We mentioned it earlier. They were friends before she had married. They were friends long before Pat Garrett married this woman's sister. Yeah, but Billy didn't think that was like maybe a little too close to the person That's trying to kill him. I mean friends are friends. They were they were his friends first Well, so after she told him you got to go over to Pete's to get some beef Billy left Celsa's home with a butcher knife in hand and his six-shooter in its holster Now neither deputies Poe nor McKinney had ever actually seen Billy the kid

Hmm, and although they had seen drawn portraits It was after midnight when they were outside garden Pete's porch, right? So when it's dark out there Yeah, yeah, so when Billy arrived at Pete's place for some beef Poe and McKinney didn't recognize him Billy though was understandably jumpy So upon finding two strangers on Pete's porch, he pulled his six-shooter and asked Q&S Who is it? Now Poe was just concerned that a stranger had a gun pointed at his chest So he managed to prevent Billy from shooting him by telling Billy that no one was there to hurt him

With his gun still drawn Billy backed into Pete Maxwell's bedroom But unbeknownst to Billy Pat Garrett was sitting on the edge of Pete's mattress Oh, just a little nude Just moments before Pat had nudged Pete awake and and he was in the middle of asking him if he'd seen Billy lately When Billy walked into the room. Oh my god But when Billy walked through the door and asked Pete. Hey, who are those guys out there? Pete didn't answer him. Instead

Pete turned to Pat Garrett and hissed. That's him In an instant Pat reached for his colt and upon hearing that noise Billy the kid raised his gun and asked again Q&S But since he was in Pete's home Billy hesitated on the trigger pole because shit He's in Pete's home might have killed someone close to him. Well, but in that moment of hesitation Pat Garrett took the fatal shot He pulled back the hammer on his colt single-action and fired sending a bullet straight into Billy the kid's chest Right above his heart

Billy fell to the floor Mortally wounded and he died moments later Never knowing who it was that it finally killed him Damn, that's like that scene in Animal House where the kids reading the playboy and then a woman flies through the window Pat Garrett said where's Billy? Oh But guess what what if I told you all that's fucking bullshit Get a little ahead of yourself here get a little ahead of yourself

Now at that point Poe ran into the room and told Garrett you shot the wrong man It's pitch dark it is pitch fucking dark in that room and they're going by Billy's voice alone He did not visually see Billy the kid He just heard a voice and Pete's like I know that voice that's him And so Pat just took the fucking shot according to Garrett though They lit a candle and saw the unmistakable face of Billy the kid Now having killed Billy and Fort Sumner Pat Garrett came very close to being lynched himself But cooler heads soon prevailed partly because many people in town had to admit that Billy's death was kind of a relief

Yeah, it definitely takes it from a red zone to a yellow zone here So in the end it's finally I guess it's good. It just gets exhausting. I think to harbor a known Super criminal. It's like imagine it like I'm gonna the only way I could really put this is that Kanye Living at that amphitheater in Atlanta for like a month making this stupid album how much pressure it's that every daily gender It's been like is he still fucking here? But like it's got a funny stick in a shower right now. We have to get him out of here It's like he's got a 20-person entourage and there's like a gazelle here. There's a guy just in the Batman uniform I feel horrible for everyone working on that horrible event. Oh, yes

But despite the horrible reputation Billy had earned at the end of his life his death was still National news and it's said that people remember the day they heard about Billy's death Like people in the 60s remembered the Kennedy assassination Damn, yeah, man. It's kind of like the somebody who joined the 27 Club. He was a legend legend done Go, I remember I was churning butter when I heard the news I remember I was milking a cow when I heard the news I remember I was drinking at a bar when I heard the news I remember I was walking down the street when I heard the news we lost him. I honestly

Became a town of people and I don't know why he decided to build a tapetry NPCs Just naming jobs Well as far as Pat Garrett went the killing of the kid was found to be an act of justifiable homicide Afterward Pat Garrett was the most famous law man in America. He's like Wyatt Earp status Whoo, but he eventually blew every bit of goodwill and about 20 years later Was shot to death on a remote stretch of the New Mexican desert Having become a pathetic and disgraced gambling addict

Really, I wonder if it's it well, it's just he just couldn't handle this select this point this part of celebrity like or on the other I don't think he just he just didn't have a shit together He was one of those guys like he had a he had his shit together for like three years And he's a complex man He was the man that could have like literally gave up everything to catch Billy the kid Yeah, but once he closed the circuit I think his he just it's like a string between two tight rope between two between two trees But he cut down one of the trees and he's just out there willy-nilly blown in the wind. That's true

Losing his frickin mind gambling that's saying that he even did kill Billy the kid, okay, we have a lot of foreshadowing Well, there are some who say that Pat Garrett's reputation was never deserved See as it goes with the death of any huge personality like Billy the kid some couldn't accept his death Just like people couldn't accept the deaths of Elvis or Hitler It's just too big to wrap your head around. It really is. You please not equate that. I know you're not I'm not equating with the same amount of hits. It's oh my goodness No, it's just it's too big like these personalities are so large that people can't imagine a world without them

Absolutely, and the people who didn't believe Pat Garrett's version of events Maintained that Billy not only survived that night in Fort Sumner, but was never even in Pete Maxwell's home Never rode a horse He was never in New Mexico Okay, think about this going back to the clue reference. So who'd I kill? So then who do what's the body? Well according to the Billy the kid museum in High-Co, Texas which you take an entire virtual tour of on YouTube and guess what? Here's a lot a lot going on there The man killed that night was an outlaw named Billy Barlow and

There's actually a fair amount of compelling evidence to back up this claim although none of it is definitive according to some of the men I saw almost Weeping in rage and disbelief There is it is definitely definitive because they say it is It is a passionate group of people who think that Billy the kid is not dead Oh my god Billy the kid historians are a very very very Very very passionate group of people Wild West historians in general and especially amateur Wild West historians are Insanely passionate. I guarantee you we have had seven

weirdly mustachioed men This entire series and yelled at their fucking iPhone for the last six hours They don't have an iPhone they have like one of those like old vintage radios that they somehow still Someone said it to them on vinyl. I don't know how they've been yelling at their fucking real player and when they're Windows 98 Because I tell you what Billy the kid historians also did not do well with the zoom revolution I have several these guys talk about straight up being like you wouldn't even believe how difficult it is Here's elves in the machine. There's whispers in the machine. Well, they're on to something Well according to the people who were present at Billy the kid supposed killing the man

Pat Garrett kill that night was darkly complexed with black hair and a black beard While Billy was a decidedly Irish descent and couldn't grow more than peach fuzz some men are not as blessed No, I am not I can only grow I can grow a tiny gross tiny tiny peach fuzzy beard No, I want to see your beard is like a conquistadors beard. Yeah, I want to see We go I tried I tried remember I tried I tried a few years ago and it was all it looks really really gross I think it's cool. I like how scraggly you are. You know, you're just trying you're just trying to find another way to make fun of me Furthermore it said that when the deputy sheriff rolled over the body He immediately told Garrett that the body did not belong to Billy the kid and this was witnessed by a US martial

Who filed notice of this declaration? Wow? Garrett they said covered this up by saying that they later Identified the dead body as the kids the way they did that was with the gunshot wounds Mm-hmm, and both Poe and McKinney later Both claimed without a doubt that Garrett had killed someone else and the body had been buried the very next day to prevent positive identification Finally the director of the Billy the kid museum Sue Land Claimed in an interview that this was actually the third person that Pat Garrett had shot

Thinking that the man on the other end of the gun barrel was Billy the kid. What are you gonna do this whole fucking story in Pat Garrett's the serial killer. Yeah, man Let God sort them out more like a bumbling more bumbling more like that barney fight You just become a serial killer when you just cause you like is your name Billy? And then just like oh no can I say like outwardly that just human life was not as sacred then no people were a little bit more like People get shot people get murdered all the time. Yeah, and you can really shoot someone accidentally go ah shit And it's a little more accepted than today. I can't shoot someone and go ah shit He had the same he had the same accuracy as John Edwards from crossing over like it seems like he was just like B

I sent a B around here anyone my name is but oh boom and it's like okay, dude It's a boy. You have to stop killing innocent people. I don't know they probably weren't all that innocent well I think what I think she might have been like counting like Jimmy Carlisle amongst them You know because remember Billy said that they had shot Billy Carlisle thinking that it was Billy the kid coming out the window Also, Sue Lans will say anything to keep the museum open because it's the only fucking thing in Hico, Texas Well, let's help that museum out. I mean that's a great museum. There's no air conditioning. They proudly advertise it. I Hear Hico is a nice enough town. It's a nice. It's a it's a nice small little town nice See according to land Billy the kid left Fort Sumner for good that night and went to Mexico for three years

He returned to America in 1883 But moved instead to the small central, Texas town of Hico, which is somewhat located between Waco and Abilene Hmm there Billy the kid changed his name to William Henry Roberts, but most folk around town Just knew him as brushy bill no brushy bill. You can't even you mean to tell me you how a brushy bill cannot physically lie Why was he brushy billed if you stick a bunch of branches up Walk around down like a stupid turkey literally lived in the center of a bunch of bushes So he's just brushed you bill for that reason. Okay. Well, he was not homeless man. It was just He was just brushy bill. He was just when you if you see a picture of brushy bill

He looks exactly like you think he looks okay Now brushy bill was indeed a real person who died in 1950 at the age of 71 if you don't believe him But at the age of 91 if you do hi, you know, he said that he was not he didn't look great No, either way. He did not look very much. She bill didn't look so good. No, no Why she bill was like the only way to describe it was a Prospector chic. Yeah, you know what they can strike gold sometimes But just before brushy bill died he got it in his mind to go public with the claim that he was Billy the kid

Because he was Billy the kid. Oh, he wanted to finally get that pardon from the state of New Mexico before he gave up the ghost It's the principle of the thing. God damn it. It was very stressful for brushy bill He had to take his one pair of overalls He went down to the courthouse and he knew because he's like, no, I knew there's all types of Desperado searching for revenge against Billy the kid and so he showed up all nervous being like, I'm gonna admit one time I'm Billy the kid the most charming outlaw that the law never did catch And he was taking his life in his hands, dude

Because he knew that right then they could all hang him on the spot if they wanted to oh, you can't hang bushy bill Well, brushy bill. Well, brushy bill came. Brushy. Brushy bill Brushy, which is ironic because I don't even own a coat. I'm sure not Well brushy bill came into contact with a probate investigator named William Morrison Morrison said that he was absolutely convinced of brushy bill's story Especially after bill showed him all of his scars Which happened to match the five bullet wounds suffered by Billy the kid He also said very loudly that he was Billy the kid

And those five wounds were in addition to 21 more bullet and knife scars Jesus Yeah, because people don't know man He also like cuz there's a lot of people that say well, oh brushy bill didn't speak Spanish But if you talk to some people they say oh brushy bill was so Spanish you might as well think he's Mexican But brushy bill was a literate Billy the kid was he can read and write there's no way brushy bill's Billy the kid But I'll tell you what first you the bill's letters were so eloquent and so well put you may made it You made sure to win him the poet laureate of haiko if you have given the chance That's what some people say indeed. You don't know if that's what some people say

And I know because I could steal a smell of Paulina's sweet pussy Brushy we gotta get you to the courtroom now brushy come on brushy But of course brushy bill didn't get his pardon and died a famous coot Appropriately and he also he does this is the saddest thing brushy bill died Because he went to Santa Fe to try to make one last plea to the governor to get his pardon and his body couldn't take it So he got sick right after the trip and died. Yeah died trying to get the pardon He did and that's what they said. That's the one indicator that it is because of how how stressful it was For him to tell the world. He's been hiding. He's been so scared. He's yeah, he's now his brushy bill

He's brushy bill has been hiding his truth under the brush He's covered in a little deal those little like those balls with the spikes on them I have no idea what those are, but I do know what you're talking about. We just call them stickers Yeah, he's covered a double-weeded shit To be fucking you all so much fun I guess I think he's just a 71 year old man in 1950 and there's just not gonna be a whole lot You can do it once he gets sick Yeah, yeah, just old but the mystery of whether or not Billy the kid had died that night in thought Sumner

It's persisted long past Bill's death in 1950 and in fact brushy bill story was forgotten Until young guns too. Wow. Thank you young guns again Emilio Mm-hmm But once DNA testing became prevalent at the end of the 20th century Someone got an idea to boost tourism to New Mexico To finally put an end to the debate and to get some press in the process Someone got the idea in 2003 to dig up Billy the kid's grave in Fort Sumner and to dig up his mother's grave Then they got a fun idea. He's kind of fun. I would be there. I've got two ideas guys. Hear me out

Then they could compare the DNA in the two bodies to see if they matched But when officials showed up at the Fort Sumner Cemetery They were informed that all of the headstones have been washed away in a flood a hundred years before Which made it impossible to identify which body was Billy's Yeah, I don't even bear about any amount here. I don't do you what is there ever been a grave out here? This is every YouTube video I watched people talking about the the fact that there's no way that Brushy bill is not Billy the kid why wouldn't they just dig up brushy bill and Billy the kid's mom and see if they matched They couldn't find any one of them because they lost all the headstones for the

Okay, so everyone's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah now brushy bill has actually is a very nice grave It says it there's a big granite piece that says Billy the kid above his names Oh, yeah, so they took he took it to the grave with him. Literally, but that's why it's very important to haiko This story is very important to haiko because they said it keeps them alive And those people that also said this the various old other I'm almost gonna say these times modern coats Talking about this subject where they just being like you know We had to go up to that museum because the only thing to do in town also sometimes I come over and I show these kids a brand New invention have you heard a ketchup? Wow, they do amazing things with tomatoes nowadays

Absolutely, they do a little too much sugar in the ketchup though could use less So we'll never know for sure if Billy the kid survived the supposed shootout with pack Garrett But mm like the community that loved him back in the day personally I hope that the New York orphan lived out a long life Having taken the pardon that was denied to him so many times. We love you Billy We're looking for you Billy as a fun coat of though after the DNA testing didn't work out New Mexico governor Bill Richardson Announced in 2003 that he was finally gonna give Billy his pardon. Thank you Because he hoped to extend this tourism stunt sure but after Bill Richardson

Fucking him didn't haud for pretty much his entire fucking tenure as governor He finally decided in 2010 to follow in the footsteps of his predecessor and reneging on the promise What does he think it's gonna be army of darkness does he think the skeletons are gonna rise me like oh Thank you for my pardon crackly What is wrong with these people? God he's a moron He's tootin as little as cowboy in the whole damn world. I'm a red spell Richardson. I'm feeling Rudy to do it We're doing as well. Yeah, Billy Richardson speaking to someone who might end up being arrested. Who knows in other words

Billy the kid is still in outlaw and an outlaw. He will remain And I'm wanted wanted dead or alive. I mean at this point. It's more shot down in a blaze of glory Well, I never drew first, but I drew first blood. I'm a devil son. Yeah Preferred to be captured alive. Oh, right Billy the kid all four parts Wow, I really fascinating story I had no idea that there was some rumors that he was still alive as the 1950s Dude, which is absolutely insane. We didn't even cover all of the people there are multiple people who claim to have been Billy the kid

There was one guy who said that he had a gun He's like, you know, I'm Billy the kid because you see this guns got 21 marks on it. That's for all the 21 men that I killed You put those marks on there And also just we now know that the again is a part of these what the Billy gate Scenario and the big Billy the kid market coming into making money off of this the first Photograph of Billy the kid of little tin-type photo that it sold for over two million dollars And now just recently the gun that quote unquote killed Billy the kid None of us sold for six million dollars. Yeah. Wow. That's a lot of money in these so-called

Deniers of the real story of Billy the kid. No matter what it's a fascinating gun and for some eccentric billionaire out there I'm just happy. He didn't use that six million to purchase Any human beings or any sort of health? All right, well, thank you so much for listening to this Educational series will be back to blood very soon. Oh, yes next week. We got a heavy hitter coming for you But that was absolutely freaking awesome. We want to thank everyone who came out to see us this past weekend Detroit Columbus and Cincinnati y'all were so unbelievably wonderful. So thank you guys for just Detroit being rock-and-roll

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