Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 486: MK Ultra Part V - Acoustic Kitty

Episode Date: March 5, 2022

The boys close out the series on MK Ultra - focusing on just how directly the CIA helped shape American Sub-Culture with LSD, their use of Cats as Spies, and the haunting story of alleged MK Ultra survivor Cathy O’Brien.

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Oh my god, that's a trigger word. Welcome to the last podcast of the left everyone. I am Ben, hanging out with Henry and Marcus. The blessings of the podcast that flow from planting the information of this podcast to your mind will require the presence of the living waters of love. Wow, I am so happy to be ending this series. But I'm also so happy we did it. Henry is ruined. Marcus, you're still an iron trap. Nothing can shake you. Oh no, not at all man. But we are on to MKUltra, part 5 and I after this need to be deprogrammed. Is that a light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it a train? Can it just be a light? So when we were last privy to the secrets of the MKUltra program, it was the late 50s and the two most infamous experiments, psychic driving and operation midnight climax were deemed to be either failures or highly unethical.

And it's one or the other, certainly not both. In addition, the first cracks to the protective shell around MKUltra secrecy were starting to show. In 1956, a senator from Montana named Mike Mansfield went in front of Congress and did his best to bring light to the illegal and immoral activities that the CIA had been getting up to since its inception. I'm here showing true bravery. That's why my name is Mansfield, not Boysfield. We must be the Mansfields we need to be to stand up to the CIA and their mind control program. Wasn't that what MKUltra was trying to do? Create fields of men that they could then just like pluck out to do whatever mission they want? Fields of men and female sex slaves. But we'll get to all that later. We're getting way ahead of ourselves. Fantastic. Well, amongst other offenses that were all true, Mansfield said that the CIA was funding neo-Nazis in Germany illegally detaining foreign citizens for months at a time and toppling foreign governments.

I love this deleted scene from Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Mr. Smith goes to Washington and gets his dick sucked by a mind controlled slave. This guy argued for full transparency of the CIA, rightly assuming that if this is what we know about, then God knows what else they're up to. And granted, this is also the argument conspiracy theorists make about MKUltra. Sometimes they're right. But President Eisenhower killed the bill saying that the CIA needed absolute secrecy to do its job properly. Basically, he's saying he needed them to have secrecy so that he wouldn't know what they were doing. Right. So what is that called?

Plausible deniability. Get used to saying that. Plausible deniability. Therefore, MKUltra stayed a secret for another 20 years. And the CIA was free to continue the same dead end experiments that were both destroying minds and, much to the CIA's later chagrin, opening them. Yeah, dawg. Now, in 1959, a novel debuted with a plot eerily similar to some of the projects that MKUltra had been working on throughout the decade. In this book, an infantry platoon in Korea is brainwashed and programmed to return to the United States with the mission of killing a presidential candidate to set up a communist takeover.

Coincidence? Oh, cool. That book was called The Manchurian Candidate. Yes. It's a total work of fiction that nonetheless made its way into conspiracy fact. But to be fair, the CIA had been trying to create just such an agent as was described in the book. They just hadn't gotten very far. Well, I think there's something with the CIA not being able to make someone charming.

And you do have to have just a small amount of charm to run for any political office. Well, so, you know, a lot of times the guys who run for political office don't they normally, back in the day, they started as dweebs, right? There were a lot of like, there were a little bit more button down. Some of them were wild and crazy. So you had to figure out a way to shake it up. So why not throw a little mind control in there? Maybe insert a little fucking telephone up into their nose like a little kind of for the old school computer do dad. And then you can control their, you control their emotions from far away.

So you're just, you're a satanic human chef. Yes. Is that what happened to Ted Cruz? Hmm. What do you mean? You notice I'm not going to say the words because I don't want to put it on the list. So I'm just going to go, you see, I'm just mailed the word to Marcus and you can't even hear what I said. I saw it though.

And I'm not even going to tell the people what you mouthed. Well, in a chilling story from 1954, Morse Allen, one of the heads of MKUltra, performed an experiment on a secretary in which she was put into a deep trance and was told to keep sleeping until he broke the spell. Then he hypnotized a second secretary and told her that if she couldn't wake her sleeping friend, then she had no choice but to murder her. Wait, there has to be another option. And that's where all those sleeping porns come from. Oh my goodness. Those are always weird.

Quite odd. To complete it, Allen left an unloaded pistol nearby to make the mock murder easy to commit. Just so she wouldn't just freak out and use her hands and strangle the woman to death, you have to give her a target, a path. This is why it's not that crazy when people are like, I think they killed Marilyn Monroe. Because you hear stories like this, you're like, yeah, maybe they did. This is what we've been saying, man, is that that's reason why it opens the door so all these conspiracy theorists, because they did shit like this. But it also takes that secretary needed to have been sort of prodded into knowing how to use a gun in the first place. That's kind of the way it starts with that tentacle arm goes to one side where she needs to have some sort of gun training, be familiar with it, not be afraid to pick it up.

So that's how the hypnotism can take hold. And then she'll be like, yeah, I can't wait to kill this fucking bitch. Alright, gun safety training. Well, according to reports, the second secretary failed to wake the first. So she picked up the gun, pointed at her target and pulled the trigger over and over and over again. Pamela? Pamela? What are you? Pamela, what are you doing? Click, click, click, click, click, click, click. I've known you for 15 years. We're close friends.

That's how it goes. That's honestly, I hope how one of us ends. Well, when this woman was taken out of her trance, she had no memory of trying to kill the other secretary. Wow. Now this is indeed compelling. Yeah. But it is not proof that the CIA had the ability to consistently create a so-called manchurian candidate. It is, however, proof that they tried.

I think the term is consistent, which is what we talked about a little bit last episode is that it sounds like that it can work in a certain percentage of human beings. And this type of training can work in a percentage of human beings, especially people that are hyper hypnotizable, hyper suggestible. A lot of times it means you're a moron. I do think that that's a part of it is that you are of a simpler temperament or more sensitive temperament that allows you to be more manipulated by these things. But again, they couldn't bank on it.

Well, because if you do get a manchurian candidate, you would have to control them for like a long time. At some point, they're just going to wake up and then they're just going to end up ruining everything that you wanted them to create. Again, you're Dana Carviam. You give them a clean slate at the end of it. That's the whole idea of it is that you wipe them clean so that they also don't know how to walk or eat or fucking drink or all that kind of. They become vegetables. That's the hope.

For the president. I was going to do it. You know what? I think they succeeded. But the problem with that is that they actually, I mean, even though they're trying to like mind wipe and, you know, put a new personality and alter on these people, a lot of conspiracy theories like will point to a certain person and say, like, for example, we used to have a whole bit in our live show about how Casey Anthony was an MK ultra agent. But that's the thing is that they don't have the technology to just implant a thought into a person's brain without them knowing it,

without mind wiping it first. There's like MK ultra is just full of contradictions like that. All I know is I'm eating good in the neighborhood. I'm loving it. I just like it my way. Oh, I'm going to need my fourth meal. Are you a hip young teen? I am.

Well, furthermore, fiction like the Manchurian candidate about communist countries using mind control. This fueled the CIA's belief that mind control technology existed. It was a feedback loop, much like people who already believe that their lives are a simulation have that belief bolstered when they watch the matrix. But as we already know, the communists were never working on mind control technology in the way we thought of it. And by the late fifties, the CIA was in possession of this knowledge where the communists did succeed is convinced a large portion of our female population to stop shaving their armpits. And you know what? I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

I'm fine with it. But I'm just saying they did. They did succeed in a way. I don't mind a little rubble under there. Interesting to say. I like it. I like this with the matrix. How many chubby nerds threw their back out?

Trying to be Neo. And we need to hold the matrix accountable. I can't be in lockdown. I bought another jacket. I do know at least three chubby nerds murdered someone because of it. Wait, what? Yeah, there's a fair amount of matrix inspired murders. Guys who believe that they were in a simulation and so try to test it by killing someone.

And then they end up just going to prison and they realize that it is not a simulation in any way whatsoever. Murder is very real. Super real. Ironically, in prison, it is kind of a simulation though, isn't it? Every day is the same. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah.

You talking about the wonderful structure of prison? That's crazy. That's a whole other episode. Matrix murders. Well, during the late fifties, Alan Dulles tasked two agents with actually finding out if the communists could control minds. So let's suppose it took them a while to figure out that maybe they should have definitive proof instead of just assumptions if they were going to commit all these atrocities.

That was like a running line of one of like the arms of MK Ultra was to go send somebody out to do this because they were like, we don't need permission to figure out brainwashing on our own because it's imperative, right? Because if we can do it, they are definitely doing it. They're super evil. We're fucking great. They're definitely doing it. And I think that it wasn't until like probably years into the program that finally when the

definitive proof came out saying that the Russians and Chinese did not have brainwashing techniques and they were like, but think about what we've learned. Think about what we've learned. Yeah, not only had the Soviets and Chinese never discovered the secrets to mind control, they hadn't even tried to discover those secrets. This is just what happens. This is like, it reminds me of someone who thinks that everyone is after them, but in reality, they're just doing meth and they're in a trailer somewhere and no one even knows

that they exist. A lot of this shit is related to gang stalking, which we'll get into later on. But even though the pressure to make MKUltra work was decreasing, there was still a cold war going on. And the CIA used some of what it learned from MKUltra to attempt assassinations around the world. Now, make no mistake. The CIA was indirectly or directly involved in a lot of political assassinations during

the time MKUltra was active, including Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo, Swedish diplomat Dag Hammer Skjold, and South Vietnamese president Noh Dinh Diem. Yo, what that Swedish dude do? Invented skis. I don't know what they do, man. He must die. I can't remember exactly why the CIA hated him. I think it was one of those things where he was like, maybe we shouldn't kill each other.

Oh, he's gonna have to die. Yeah, whatever, man. He's a fucking turd in the punch bowl. I think it was actually a lot more complicated than that. It was honestly far too boring for me to go into on the show. I don't know all I know is he probably sounded like that Muppet, and I think that's funny. Yeah, he should do. I do.

I think he should also be shot in the head. It's a Muppet. Choose a side. You're just gonna hurt somebody's hands. I'm sick of everyone being neutral. But perhaps not surprisingly, given MKUltra's track record for success, none of the assassinations involving MKUltra tactics or personnel ever worked, or should I say, ever worked as far as we know.

Thank you. I got a lot of caveats in this episode that are just for you, buddy. Thank you. I feel seen. I feel heard and acknowledged. There's been space made for the conspiracy theorists. Fantastic. For example, in September of 1960, the CIA decided to murder Patrice Lumumba, the Prime

Minister of the Republic of Congo, just three months after the country gained its independence from Belgium. See the month before, an undercover CIA agent working at the American Embassy in that country reported that the Republic of Congo was edging towards a communist takeover. No. We also just had a recent assassination of another African leader as well. It happens fairly often. Yeah.

The CIA was involved in that. Wow. You're so crazy. Interesting. Oh, those CIA guys. Hi. Hi. Good work.

You guys are so busy all the time. I mean, to be fair, if they are listening, thank you. If we were recording this alone without any equipment, that would be scary. Yeah. But because the Republic of Congo was supposedly edging towards communism, Patrice Lumumba had to go. Now, just shooting Lumumba might potentially cause more problems because the Republic of the Congo was no more stable at its founding than it is today or at any time in its existence.

But to avoid any sort of hubbub, the CIA tasked MK Ultra Father and head poison maker Sidney Gottlieb with quietly poisoning the prime minister of a foreign country without any approval from the president or Congress. Yeah, because he was willing to just say yes, because he also understood how secrecy is important. Okay. Yeah. We had so important to trust.

We need trust within the CIA. And you know how hard it is when everyone's a spy and half of them are trained in hypnotism or tripping balls. And so, like, you know, it comes down to it like you never know when you're going to get laced with some kind of bullshit on your salad is because you ordered it from Tim instead of the other PA who hasn't been around for long enough. I would trust a juggalo more than anyone who works for the CIA. I feel like the CIA offices are just a buttoned up Bonnaroo at this point.

And I don't think you can trust anything they say. I mean, in the fifties, the CIA was like the grooviest place in America. How's that for fucking iron? So weird. But hey, they did that super funny CIA comedy with the big woman. What's her name? Melissa McGunty. And how cute is that?

She's just a little housewife. Oh, what a cute little member of the CIA. Certainly it's not propaganda in any way, shape or form. She fell down. Oh, that's so funny. Well, that's good humor until Melissa McGunty would offer what she's doing to the fabric of American society. Jackie Zabrowski has earwormed you because she is upset with any actress that is not

her. It's a Zabrowski trait, let's say. It is. Well, to figure out the best way to poison a foreign leader, Sidney Gottlieb drew on his deep MK ultra bench and asked Dr. Ewan Cameron, the creator of psychic driving for his expert psychological opinion on Lumumba's personality. You see, what do you want to do there when you're going to want to put together a personality profile?

You're going to want to take a look at their shit because you can tell a lot from a man from what he's eat. That's probably true. Cameron surmised that Lumumba was a vain person who paid particular attention to his looks and especially his teeth. So it was decided that Gottlieb would poison Lumumba's toothpaste with botulinum toxin. So he gave him botulinum. Well, I mean, basically, yeah, botulinum toxin, if you put just the tiniest, tiniest, tiniest

bit of drop on someone's food, they're dead within a day. But the thing is about it, it's like what they did with the poison, what the Russians did with the poison. Polonium. Polonium, yeah. In the sushi. Yeah, in the sushi. Yeah, where you give it to them, but then you get the fuck out of there.

So by the time they die, you're nowhere near. He takes them several days to melt, and he looked rough. He really did. Also what Kim Jong-un did to his half-brother when he had those two gals sprained real quick. And they thought they were part of a reality television show, and they actually did not end up going to prison because they were like, that's actually kind of close to an MK Ultra agent. Dude, they were assets.

Yeah. Now Gottlieb was super jazzed when he was given the chance to use his skills in the murder of a foreign head of state. Oh, how exciting. Oh, it's game day, boys. Do you think it's like Beauty and the Beast, where all of his poisons sit unused and they just waiting their longing for a chance to finally serve a purpose? So he built an assassination kit comprised of liquid botulinum, a hypodermic syringe

with an ultra-thin needle, and a pre-poisoned tube of toothpaste. He then traveled to the Republic of Congo with what he called his bag of dirty tricks. This is what he called. That's what he called it, making him the only CIA officer known to carry a poison overseas to kill a foreign leader. USA. USA. It's my bag of dirty tricks.

Just pull it out. It's my whites. It should, John. Honestly, he's got to have one dildo in there, like something fun, right? Ours. Yeah. However, the CIA agent tasked with poisoning Lumumba couldn't penetrate Lumumba's security. But besides, Lumumba was executed by his enemies and dissolved in acid six weeks later anyway.

They just need to play the waiting game. Oh my God. I guess that would be weird to just be like, I got a tube of toothpaste for your president. I brought a tube of toothpaste from Grand Old America for you. Don't use that at all at once. Not poison. Honestly, it'd be best if you did use all of it at once. It's not poison.

And while the CIA had worked with the Congolese and the Belgians who assassinated Lumumba prior to the assassination, they did not participate in the capture or the acid bath. They were the inspiration. Yeah. They were the muse like Julia Fox was to the uncut gems people. Fantastic. What do you got to do in life to get killed in a vat of acid? Something's gone horribly wrong.

Yeah. Just be the wrong leader at the wrong time. Yeah. It does remind me of that scene in Robocop though that we were talking about yesterday. We felt it so cool. And then there's the car. Wonderful. Well, perhaps the most well-known of the CIA's assassination attempts on world leaders is

that of Cuba's Fidel Castro and perhaps not surprisingly, Sidney Gottlieb and MK Ultra's dirty little fingerprints were all over those attempts. Are you telling me they're going to give him the exploding cigar? They actually his Sidney Gottlieb was responsible for the poison cigars, not the exploding cigars amongst many, many others. Sidney Gottlieb more and more turns into an evil Kieber Elf from the Bronx. Like he is more just to be like, yes, let's see what happens with the caramels. Caramels.

It's the most deceitful, delicious way to die. All I know is I'm not eating anything at that dude's house. Nope. Now, if you listen to our JFK series, then you know that Kennedy officially authorized the assassination of Fidel Castro in 1961 with Operation Mongoose. But before Kennedy in Mongoose, you had Eisenhower, Gottlieb and MK Ultra. After Eisenhower ordered that Castro be, quote unquote, sawed off, the CIA, yeah, saw that fucker off.

Saw that fucker off. You can see with this, hey, fucking helmet bouncing around. The CIA began concocting plans to take him down. Just trying non-lethal means using what Gottlieb had learned from MK Ultra experiments. And this is not mind control experiments. This is the chemical side of MK Ultra because you remember the octopus of malice has many tentacles. It's more than eight.

Probably. I believe they said it's 149 sub projects that are officially underneath the umbrella of MK Ultra. So it has 149 tentacles. And that's just the ones we know. He's got the two little secret ones that crawl up your ass. Well, the first plan was to use what they learned in Operation Midnight Climax, specifically the tactic of using an aerosol form of LSD.

In theory, they could spray airborne acid into a radio studio just before Castro made a live broadcast, which would cause Castro to act a fool on air. I hate to break this to you, but we just made Fidel Castro the greatest radio DJ of all time. It was a part of the flashing lights techniques that they used in Project Monarch along with aerosol acid. They drop into the various dance clubs of America to transfix the youth so they get used to the constant flow of entertainment and don't bother to read the news.

Okay. Well, after this was deemed impractical, they moved on to Castro's physical appearance, believing that Castro's power laid in his beard. Gottlieb... Wait. What? This is like he's Jason Momoa. This is the Bible.

What's going on? That is exactly what they thought. It's like, it's like Samson, if we take away his beard, we take away his charisma and his power structure will fall apart beneath him. That is okay. I'm just going to... That's dumb. Yeah.

Sometimes it's nice to shave your beard though when you're with someone he's used to because then it's like a new person. Sure. So it's kind of nice actually think of his beard fell off. I've never been like, okay, refresco, Fidel Castro has got such a baby face. Yeah. It's really nice, but it's also just not... I've just never shaved my beard like I feel weaker now.

Well, they figured they could sprinkle fallium salts in Castro's boots and that would cause his beard to fall out. They basically lightly poison him, but this was deemed really fucking stupid for a lot of different reasons. And after Gottlieb put forth dozens more ideas, including the poison cigar idea, each more acid inspired than the last, they stopped asking him. And by the time Lyndon Johnson was in power, the far flung assassination plots involving Castro were finally put to rest.

Did anyone just mention Sniper? Yeah. Shoot him in the head. Drop a bomb. What are we doing here? But even though MKUltra never changed the course of global political events, it still had a profound effect on the world in the form of the 60s counterculture. Yeah, man.

Fucking no pants out there, dog, fucking bush hair, man, we got a blanket shirt on, you're sleeping in the mud. You don't care if it's raining in 1969, man, it took fucking three days to park back in a day, man. No seamless, dude. No seamless. It reminds me of Woodstock Part 2. Yeah.

Whenever we was just covered in human shit, they're like, it's great. They were covered in human shit in fucking the Woodstock part. They loved being covered in Duke. No. That was Woodstock 99. Woodstock 94. That was pure mud, my friend. I don't think it was.

It was right by the outhouse. No. Woodstock 99. You're thinking of Woodstock 99. That was the one that was right near the outhouse and everyone was like, yeah, the mud, we're doing it like Woodstock 94 and everyone else said it was the foulest fucking smell they'd ever encountered in their lives. Covered in some kind of white crud.

Not sure. I've got my opinions on hippies that you're all well aware of, but no matter my opinions or how quickly the movement dwindled into futility, one can't discount the long term reverberation of the early 60s counterculture. Yeah, dude. You had straight up like people like the weathermen. There was a lot of weird shit happening like in terms of domestic terrorism, just that was hippy led, which is really interesting against the government that they did not believe

in. And they were very, very serious in the beginning. Oh, the up against the wall motherfuckers. Yes. Yeah. Those guys were something else. It was a weather underground. Yeah.

So it's so strange. They are counterculture, but they are culture because the CIA has created them. Well, let's get into it. Okay. Interesting. Because it's accidentally again, stepping onto a very cogent point, Mr. Man. I mean, good in the neighborhood. Inextricably linked to this idea is the fact that the 60s would not have had the same flavor

had it not been for LSD. LSD. And there is also no doubt that LSD was introduced to and proliferated throughout America by the CIA. And as we will see as we go further in the episode, there are many notable figures in history, quote, unquote, notable figures of history that helped spread this acid throughout all of society that even again, which is kind of funny, every single time any one of those people had acid, it came directly from the CIA or the good sunshine, my friend.

And taking it even further, a little bit in the no dogs territory. If you don't have acid, you don't have the Stooges, and if you don't have the Stooges, then you don't have punk. And if you don't have punk, then the whole of modern Western civilization looks entirely different. Yeah. What would a Johnny Ramon been? He would just been a circus geek.

He would have been a guy in an apartment in Queens until he died. Cool. Basically. Yeah. That's a dream. The pipeline of LSD from the CIA to the American public is a curious one. From Friday night, LSD parties held at the home of CIA operative Harold Abramson in Long Island.

Acid first leaked into high society and celebrity circles. Fuck it. Harold Abramson's a shithead too. He's another like old schools villain. Yeah. Well, he was one of the guys that was involved in the death of Frank Olsen. Surprisingly, the first celebrity to speak out about the benefits of LSD was actor Kerry Grant.

Really? Yeah. LSD acid trips, he found a second youth and had come close to happiness for the first time in his life. I'll tell you what, I thought that for a long time, wearing a softer pant than wool made you gay. But now I understand I took, I met with Dr. Abramson and I'll tell you what, I wore sneakers for the very first time and the bounce I achieve is absolutely fantastic.

Well, we did hero of the week on this week's side stories was Ryan Reynolds. Can you imagine even Kerry Grant? Maybe he didn't feel as if he was so special. He was back in the day. Kerry Grant. I mean, he's an icon. Kerry Grant looked like a catcher's met at 25 years old. Kerry Grant is super charming.

He killed people in World War II. He had a lot of shit going on. Kerry Grant was like an actual man. Ryan Reynolds is a model. Oh my God. The jealousy. I've never met such a beautiful woman as when I met that Ryan Reynolds, they just make men different now.

I am so glad I got in that time machine because the manner is soft as the wind. Well at the same time, LSD was also being distributed to volunteers at hospitals, clinics and universities in experiments secretly funded by the CIA's MK Ultra program. See while some of these experiments were undoubtedly dangerous and in some cases deadly, others were mellow and produced mind expanding, highly desirable highs for the subjects involved. One example was novelist Ken Kesey who volunteered for an LSD study at the Menlo Park Veterans Hospital. He loved the LSD experience so much that he kept returning to participate again and

again as often as possible. It's like my view with the samples of Costco back in the day. Exactly. That is so funny. If it wasn't enough, he got a job at the hospital where the experiments were being done as a night attendant so he could steal more assets. At some point you feel like even the CIA has got to be like, all right, you like this too much.

You are, we've already gotten the results that we need from you, Mr. Kesey. Meanwhile, he's just like, man, we got to all leave in a fucking kaleidoscope. Seriously. I mean, can we send him at Castro? Can we use his harlequin powers to disrupt all communism? Well, they could even use that as further research, just writing down like subject loves asset. I feel like that was like 40% of the time when it wasn't absolutely terrifying, the rest

of it. Because once you get on the board, like once you do it the one time, like I bet you the first time might have been kind of scary, but you're like, oh, this is kind of fun. And so I bet you like two or three times then you're like, I fucking got this on Pat doing acid is my new job. And as it turned out, the new perspective given to Kesey by regular trips combined with his experience working as a night attendant at the hospital, added up to his groundbreaking novel, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Wow. So the CIA gave us one flu over the Cuckoo's Nest. Wow. Once Kesey had a steady supply of acid, he started throwing the so-called acid tests for musicians, poets, and Hell's Angels bikers who were all hanging out at his house. Oh man, I don't know if I like that combination of people getting together all tripping thinking one person is now a turkey, the other person's a dinosaur. I don't like the Hell's Angels tripping balls to be honest.

I would put it this way, right? I feel like this scene, this time period with all the acid in this kind of various worlds of different countercultures of different mindsets all meeting up together is very similar to what we see on the internet these days where it's neutral, it isn't either good nor bad. The thing about these things, if you read anything about the scene is that it could get dark real fucking fast because it's also accelerated by the constant use of acid, which at this time is stronger than anything we get.

We'll never see this type of CIA acid in our lives, which is sad. I wish we could. I want some. I wonder if we can get some. Maybe, but the Hell's Angels were actually a much larger part of the early 60s scene than it's really made out to be, especially at the very beginning. I mean, read fucking Hunter S. Thompson's Hell's Angels for a harrowing read, but very fun.

I'm just happy he survived because it sounds like he was about to die also. They beat the fuck out of him. They almost beat him to death. And then these Hell's Angels are really interesting. We were talking about one day we might cover them, but it's weird. It's just rape. It's just all rape. Yeah.

That's why we didn't cover the Hell's Angels. We tried. One percenters, what they used to call themselves like they were true, just like the hippies, true counterculture people trying to leave society behind trying to create their own society. And again, in an anarchic system, while you do believe in the utopian ideals of humankind that we would take care of each other, but it's also sometimes the strongest or the ones who take charge.

And you always know a Hell's Angel because the inner thigh, it's all full of rashes from people's beers because they get blown by other Hell's Angels. You're going to get the shit beat out of you. No. Hell's Angels are outside. They're still around. They are in New York and they are dead. They are.

Actually, they closed down their clubhouse in the East Village. Yeah. Yeah. They finally, no, you didn't. They closed it down like three years ago. It was the guy who had the e-talk. Yeah. And he was just always outside.

I mean, he was done doing all the horrible stuff because he couldn't barely breathe anymore. Hell's Angels. And Nazima is very real. Hell's Angels, please write inside stories, LPOTL, the gmail.com. Is there now a Fatwa against Ben Kessler? Dude, they brag about blowing each other. A roast as dark as the night, perfect for fueling the cryptid research and mad ravings required

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Well, as far as the CIA's further influence on the counterculture goes, in 1964 novelist Ken Kesey bought a bus, gave it the name of Further and traveled the country with what he called his Mary pranksters, giving out LSD to people around America. The chronicles of this trip resulted in the revolutionary book by Tom Wolf, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. Wow. It's a very divisive book because I could tell, like, I know that I've read it twice and I read it once when I was 16 and I was like, this is the single best, like, thing

of it. This is my Bible. Yeah. This is the thing that means so much to me. It's like that book and obviously, Hunter S. Thompson, Sphere and Living in Las Vegas, that meant so much to me and then rereading it again at like 30 and I was like, man, this must have sucked. This whole bus ride must have been so fucking annoying.

Everybody screaming and smelling. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. Just total chaos and, you know, like, nothing, like, constructive happening. Yeah. Well, actually, what is it? Larry McMurtry, author Larry McMurtry, who wrote, like, The Last Picture Show and Lonesome

Dove and all that shit and Brokeback Mountain, he was a friend of Ken Kesey and they actually stopped off, like, in Texas to see Larry McMurtry and he said that the electric Kool-Aid acid test, the bus ride, fucking ruined Ken Kesey forever. He was like, who's a bunch of goddamn fools is what it was. It sounds like all our one star reviews on the internet. Yeah. Sounds about right. Well, staying in the realm of literature, poet Alan Ginsberg, author of Howl and one

of the founders of the Beat Movement, volunteered for a CIA funded LSD experiment at Stamford University, but instead of being tortured, Ginsberg was made to listen to recordings of Wagner's Tristan and Esolda, as well as recitations by Gertrude Stein. I'm really surprised he started wearing those big long leather boots. Yeah. I thought you said he wasn't tortured. Hello. Got you, Wagner.

I'll be here all week. Yeah, good job, musician. I don't know if that had any bearing on his Nambla membership, but that's a story for another time. He was a member of Nambla. Alan Ginsberg has some pretty dark shit. They secret it away. I don't want these beat man.

The Beat Movement is just a bunch of rich kids who had too much time to think. Not really, but it's I would say there weren't rich kids, but they were, they definitely, they had a lot of problems. There was a lot of problems with boroughs and Kerouac and Ginsberg and all those guys. But you know, hey, they were still very influential. You want to put a little seed in your brain? You know what the original name of Nambla was? What?

The babysitter's club. So think about that when you read your precious little books. Oh God. Well, interestingly, Ginsberg had no illusions about where his LSD came from, but Kesey refused for years to believe that something so beautiful could come from something so evil. It was only after MKUltra was exposed that Kesey finally admitted to the truth. So did he feel like he was an unwilling pawn or was he aware that he was sending all the CIA acid to people?

Did he know where the acid was coming from? No, not until, not until 1976. So then he must have been like, oh, I'm the asshole. No, he wasn't the asshole. I mean, he was taking something ugly and turning it into something beautiful. Was it a useful idiot for them though? No, the CIA did not want this to happen at all. No, no, no, no, this is an, this is, this is an accident.

The CIA did not like that this happened. The Mary pranksters kind of did like, I do appreciate the angle that they were going for. They were always stabilizing, bringing joy to what our people kind of like stuck in a rut. That's kind of a, they were all everybody's manic pixie dream girl showing up. But the thing about a manic pixie dream girl is sometimes you like end up in jail all night. You know, it's very intense.

But he did, he shifted the culture and they, again, it was highly accidental on the part of the CIA. Interesting. Now the university researchers like the CIA agents and MKUltra, they found the acid trips were super fun. And like those agents, they started distributing it to their friends. And since many of these experiments were done on college campuses, the proliferation of acid started with students and before they knew it, they had purple haze.

Sweet. They literally, because you know what sucks is a bunch of suits in the fucking Pentagon. They put this purple haze record on and eventually they're like, you know, one guy's like disgraceful. But then one of them guys going like, this is fucking sweet. Tap the first toe tap of the CIA. Tap, tap, tap. My toe is moving. What is this?

All right. Subject enjoys rock and roll. It's also so ironic. Their whole thing is like, we must stop communism. And then they just gave acid to a bunch of college kids where they're probably going to debate communism. Yeah, exactly. And they're going to try to actually live communal living.

That was one of the biggest fucking consequences. And the thing is, the CIA had so much acid. They had bought $400,000 worth of acid from the laboratory in Sweden where it was originally made. They were the world's largest purchaser of acid. It was crazy. That's nuts. Now, once it was discovered that the communists had no mind control technology, and once

it was obvious that the MKUltra experiments were not going to show the intended results, the project heads pivoted towards practical Cold War technology like tiny microphones, wiretaps and hidden cameras. But since these ideas were still overseen by regular LSD user, Sidney Gottlieb, some of the ideas attempted were, to put it simply, stupid. Because while we all come up with shitty, insane ideas on psychedelics, Sidney Gottlieb had the resources to follow through. That's what makes it amazing.

Look at that. You just sit tripping balls. Any idea you have, any, like, oh, I want to put a gun in a cow's asshole. You know, someone's like, stare, taking the notes seriously. It's looking incredible. He can put on a puppet show about the childhood of Hitler, and everyone can be like, all right, listen, Sidney Gottlieb, you know. Case in point was the so-called acoustic kitty.

That's the CIA's name, by the way. Acoustic kitty. They like cute things. They like cute names. In this project, a cat had a tiny microphone implanted into its ear canal, which was connected to a transmitter implanted at the base of the cat's skull, and it was all powered by micro batteries. As far as why they used a cat, standard CIA surveillance devices picked up too much background

noise, and Gottlieb's team hoped that the cat's cochlea would naturally filter out all that noise. Was that the penis cover? The cochlea? The cockula. Huh? The cockula? The penis cover.

It's the thing in your ear with all the hairs on it. Oh, wow. We have them. We have them, too. We have cockula. We have penis covers in our ears? No, we don't. It's just called a cochlea.

I can see you're agitated. It feels really good when I put a Q-tip in there. Is that why? The cockula. The cockula. No, that's it. No, you're right. You're fucking right.

Yeah, you're right. Both of you. You're fucking right. That's my programming. Very good work. Amazingly, Acoustic Kitty actually worked. Really? The cat survived without complications, and the recordings that came through were clear,

so the CIA took the cat to the field to test it, but predictably, the CIA wasn't busting at the seams with animal trainers, so they couldn't get the cat to follow commands. They could do it anyway. Instead of just sort of wandered off, because that's what cats do. Cats are not soldiers. There is a large conspiracy that John, the owner of Garfield, was a CIA agent, and then you wonder, was Garfield not just a spy? Well, yeah, of course, because Garfield could fucking talk, or at least mentally, I guess,

telepathy. Telepathy. And so, I mean, John obviously was using that for some way, shape, or form, because he certainly wasn't getting laid. He wasn't actually, he wasn't conveying the thoughts to John. They talked. He was just thinking. He understood Garfield.

Well, how would he know that he wanted lasagna? Because he fed him lasagna once. If I, I mean, if I'm going to go into Garfield lore, I would imagine, because John left out some lasagna once, and Garfield went up and fucking ate it, because John is a fucking disgusting bachelor. And so, since he saw how much fucking Garfield loves the lasagna, he just kept giving him lasagna, because John, he's a nobody to take care of a cat. John and Garfield could talk.

John and Garfield could talk. John and Garfield did talk, yeah. They can't talk. I'm not fucking budging on this. Well, John had to, how did John know that normal was always in the box for Abu Dhabi? Odie can't talk. Odie is a dog. Well, because the cat just fucking wandered off, Project Acoustic Kitty was ended.

Not because the technology didn't work, but because the application was incompatible with the animal's nature, which I think is the perfect analog to the MK Ultra program at large. But guess what, fucker? What if I told you both that that's a smokescreen for what they were really working on? What were they working on? All right, you want to get into it? Fucking everything's a goddamn smokescreen.

It could be. It could be. I just don't be a fucking wall. There's so much smoke everywhere. All right, put your gas mask on, what's this a smokescreen's for? So now that we've been reading the material for two and a half months, I thought that I was at the edge of it. Right?

I was reading this book called The Howly Aluminati Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave. It's a really long title. That book is so thick. It's so thick. I haven't seen that. I haven't here in my hand. You can see it.

Yes. It is. You know how big this is? It is a textbook that makes you dumber. Yeah. By far. And how many typos are just on the cover? Well, it says that it is filled with references that should be read with constant.

But, you know, this is written by Cisco Wheeler and Fred Springmeyer, but he references a book by Walter Bauer called Operation Mind Control that actually took everything deeper than what he was saying. But this is actually, there is stuff to back this up. There is a whole arm of MKUltra that was working on a thing that's called, it was working on a technique called R-H-I-C-E-D-O-M, which stands for Radiohypnotic Inter-Cerebral Control Electronic Dissolution of Memory. Oh my God.

You got, usually, acronyms like make another word. No, no. This is specifically to be difficult. So this is deep. This goes deep into JFK lore and Sirhan Sirhan for the idea that how Lee Harvey Oswald was controlled. One of the more arcane conspiracy theories is that when he was in the hospital, like I think it was, I forget where it was, I want to say it was in Russia.

They had stuck an implant, a little radio thing up into his nose up close to his brain. And they also said the same thing happened to Sirhan Sirhan, where they put up a little radio thing up in the, like the top of his nasal cavity and what it would do, it would send messages to the back of his brain that would make them feel emotions, uncontrollable emotions that will allow them to, like, then murder indiscriminately, and then you could basically turn it on and Lee Harvey Oswald's like, I must kill the president. I ain't no smart potatoes. Like, he goes up there, right, he goes to shoot the president, and then it shuts off

and then he's just this wandering dude walking around. Now, obviously, that sounds insane. It sounds like something somebody would say to bus stop, right? Yeah, especially considering how if you're using this sort of radio technology to make, you know, extremely intense emotions real, then it would be pretty crazy for Lee Harvey Oswald to pull off such an insanely difficult shot while being tickled in his brain. He was hypnotized and trained as well. Okay.

So, but there is actual, this is really interesting. So there is an actual though, like during the, like the Senate hearings where they were talking about the revelations of MKUltra, they asked Sidney Gottlieb about this technology. And at some point they said, do you, did you do anything with radio transmission and hypnosis? And Gottlieb said, my answer is no. And then they're like, well, none whatsoever. And he's like, well, okay, I'm trying to be responsive to the terms that you use. Okay.

So I remember it. There was like a current interest. It's kind of a running interest, like all the time. This is word for word, what he said, all the time of what affects people standing in the field of radio energy have, and it could easily bend that somewhere. And one of my many projects that as someone was trying to see, if you would hypnotize someone easier, if he was standing in a radio beam, honestly, that would seem like a reasonable piece of research to do.

Yeah. I mean, I know, I know exactly what he's talking about. He's talking about the radio telemetry experiments happening at Dr. Ewing Cameron's lab up in Canada at Raven's Crag Mansion. That was actually the brainchild of, remember the, the cockney assistant who would tell the bad jokes and do the, the Groucho Marx impersonations. That was his pet project. That guy, by the way, had absolutely no medical training whatsoever nor did he have any psychological

training whatsoever. Nor did he have any scientific knowledge. He was just a guy trying whatever the fuck he could because he had permission to do so. And that made him a fresh faced doctor. He thought outside the button, you know, and that's really what it's all about. You'll care a lot about him. That's what this whole series is about. Indeed.

Well, because the program was producing no practical results in the field of mind control, Sidney Gottlieb began losing faith in MKUltra by 1960. In a redacted memo written that year, Gottlieb admitted that no effective truth serum was known to exist. And other CIA officers admitted that the possibility of creating a so-called Manchurian candidate is a total psychological impossibility. Or is that a, or is that a double blind? The only truth serum that exists and has always existed, boobies.

Yeah. Oh, boobies will make you do a lot of things all, but I'll lie to it, boobies. But then eventually, boobies get the real, real out of you. They really do. Well, therefore, experiments with LSD, electroshock, and sensory deprivation all lost funding. If only because while Gottlieb had discovered how to wipe a human's identity, he had not figured out how to embed a new personality to replace what had been deleted. Overall, Sidney Gottlieb had wasted a decade, destroying thousands of lives and spending

millions in taxpayer dollars on 149 MKULTRA sub-projects, and not a one achieved any of the goals that have been set forth as far back as Project Bluebird. But just because Mind Control proved to be a bust, that didn't mean that some of the knowledge gained by MKULTRA was not put into use by the CIA. Specifically, MKULTRA's practical legacy was in the field of interrogation. Nothing had changed the fucking game of interrogation, because it used to be truly the old school days. Like nothing had changed since the Inquisition.

You're supposed to just hang a guy upside down, beat his feet, fucking water boredom. You're supposed to do all that type of shit. There was one dude who tickled the ribs for the first time. There was one dude who, like, tickled someone's ribs, and they're like, you're the greatest tickler of ribs of all time. That man has never giggled like that before he's telling us everything. So in 1962, a Soviet intelligence officer named Yuri Nosinko defected to the United States.

But the CIA counterintelligence officer at the time, James Jesus Angleton, who also was involved in MKULTRA in kind of a sideways manner, suspected that Nosinko was defecting as a double agent. So Angleton ordered agents to keep Nosinko in captivity at a black site in Maryland for interrogation, i.e. torture. No, no, it's just a very forceful conversation. Yeah, my goodness. Over a period of three years, almost every MKULTRA tactic from sensory deprivation to

LSD dosing was tried on Nosinko, including 1,277 straight days locked in solitary confinement. Oh my goodness. Well, it turns out he just loves America, he loves freedom. But by the end of it, the CIA concluded that Nosinko was telling the truth. And they admitted that, quote, the way that he was treated went beyond the bounds of propriety or good judgment. Oh, thank you. And for that, we're giving ourself two demerits, and we are just, can you hear the hand slap?

Let me see your wrist. Oh, yes. Oh, bad, bad. Well, if he wasn't a double agent, he is now. Yeah, I can assume he probably doesn't love America as much as he thought he would. This, however, did nothing to stop the CIA from using Gottlieb's tactics in the future. And his legacy lives on today in the CIA's so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, which is, again, torture.

War crimes. Kubark, we read the Kubark interrogation manual. It's very interesting what their ideas are. I actually do think it could really help in job interviews. You know, I actually think Kubart, the video game, might be a great form of torture. You just force the play for hours and hours. I love that game. Do you really?

I love Kubart. It's too hard. That's wonderful. So in 1964, MKUltra was retired and replaced with a program called MKSearch, which, while more conventional, still dabbled in mad scientist territory with experiments like the monkey head switch debacle we spoke of last week. That's pure curiosity. Yeah.

Sidney Gottlieb, meanwhile, continued on his path of practical spycraft and oversaw the development of quite a few of the spy toys that have become hallmarks of the Cold War, like thumb-sized pistols and keychain cameras. But honestly, especially after going to the International Spy Museum in DC, there's so many things where you look at, especially at that museum, which just seems like fucking scyop central, like it's all just like a massive blow job to the intelligence community. And you look at the stuff. Well, I mean, to be fair, it's their museum.

Of course. I know. Absolutely. I don't know what I was expecting when I was there, but it's fun. You play all the games. This natural history museum is all about fucking nature and history. Where's the roller coaster? What I didn't like is it's just covered in child slime because it was like an interactive

fun museum. So it's just kids going like on their hands and just wiping it all over magnifying glasses. But that museum has all of those toys, right? It's all walls full of the spy toys. My thing is, and I loved, if you know, SidestoriesLPOTL, gmail.com, let me know, do they fucking use that shit? Because I think a lot of it is just being like, it's almost a propaganda and a scyop on their own being like, look at all that you don't, you can't even know when you deal

with the CIA. What's real? What's illusion? Where you're like, they just show all of these little toys were like, maybe they didn't use any of that shit. I think a lot of it was conceptual or at least what they have in there. A lot of it was conceptual, but they definitely used some spot. Like spy craft is absolutely real tiny, tiny little cameras, mission impossible masks that

they do use that they fooled George W. Bush with, but that woman, the head of CIA walked in with the fucking full latex headmaskin and he did not know that it was fake. He's also, you know, he was him. But then the idea was a brilliant, cleavly clever tactician, but still you walked in. No, not HW. No, George W. Bush. I do believe he had the dumb act. That's all an act.

And then when he came in, when she came in, like it did fool him. So that is interesting. Very, very interesting. And then of course, whatever we see in the museum, obviously that's all old and no longer needed. So God does what the new stuff is. Exactly. That Netflix series is worth watching.

Only fans as a Psyop, half those girls you talk to are working for the U.S. government. I mean, I'm just saying that. Good for them. Now, while the CIA may have felt justified during the MKUltra experiments because of their fear of the communists, the discovery that the communists hadn't developed mind control plus the realization the experiments hadn't worked, it produced a kind of post-nut clarity in Sidney Golly. That's a great way to put it.

While he didn't necessarily regret what he'd done, he certainly knew he'd done something wrong. But he also knew that just so long as the right people were in power, he'd be protected. That shield, however, was destroyed on June 17, 1972, with the break-in of the Democratic National Convention's headquarters at the Watergate, which, as we all know, eventually resulted in the resignation of President Richard Nixon. That was when politicians felt shame. I guess so.

I think Millhouse felt a little shame. What a fucking nerd. Now, Gottlieb's team had provided false identity papers, a concealed camera, and a Wiggin' Glasses disguise for Watergate burglars Howard Hunt and G. Gordon-Liddy. But... I love this Looney Tunes approach. It is also slap-dash and stupid, but then it's also so serious and scary. Every once in a while, it works.

But that wasn't what exposed Sidney Gottlieb. Instead, Gottlieb drowned in the wake of Watergate, because the real consequences came not from the crime itself, but the cover-up that came afterward. See, Richard Nixon had asked CIA Director Richard Helms to help in the cover-up, but when Helms refused, Nixon fired him. And it's quite telling that one of the first thoughts in Helms' mind was, oh shit, people are gonna find out about MKUltra. Especially, it's like 10 years later, too, because, you know, kind of all, like, that's

like a thought in the back of your head, just being like, oh, it's fine, we really got this on lockdown. No one's gonna find out about MKUltra, and then you're like, what if people find out about MKUltra? Oh, fucking shit! Yeah. And he pretty much figured the next CIA director may not be as understanding of MKUltra as I am.

And he did think of it, like, all of these guys thought about it in the context of the Cold War, that we did what we thought was necessary at the time, and even Gottlieb himself said that, like, it was distasteful, it was unpleasant, I didn't enjoy doing it. Yeah, he's full of shit. But I was forced to do it. He's full of fucking shit, dude. He loved every minute of it. I did, that's actually how I kind of feel the opposite about him.

I don't think he regretted it for a second, but he had to act as if he did. Yes. On his way out, Helms ordered the destruction of all MKUltra records, and by the beginning of 1973, seven boxes of MKUltra documents have been shredded, and Sidney Gottlieb shredded most of his personal records as well. It's gotta be kind of fun. Oh yeah, just shredding all these documents, doing it real fast, fucking cops are on their way.

Dude, no, well you throw it all, well, the CIA now has the burn bowls, right, where you can go and just burn everything. I think it would be time for a nice fireside chat with your family, being like, bomb fire night! And you're like, it's July, and you're like, we're having a bonfire night! Well, with his protector at the top gone, Sidney Gottlieb was pushed out of the technical services division, probably because acid-headed fantasies had gone out of vogue, and the CIA was kind of pissed about the whole LSD-inspired counterculture thing.

Right, yeah, it seemed like it blew up in their faces. So Gottlieb retired from the CIA in June of 1973, after being awarded the Distinguished Intelligence Medal. Oh, wow. Now, this period of time was a bit of an awakening for America, because Americans were being made aware of a smattering of abuses of power by the government, from Watergate to the cover-up of the massacre at Mili, to the MK Ultra-adjacent program, Operation Chaos. So his Operation Chaos, which was a domestic spy program, with the ideas, that's where

it started, the idea of like looking into left-leaning groups in America, spying on American people, musicians, it was kind of famous, like John Lennon had a file, Chuck Barry had a file, but it turns out he filed that in the toilet, got it. Whoa! Chuck Barry maybe needed a file of some kind, so it turned out, yeah, he was using the cameras in the bathroom. But it really cuts to the, there's another side of it, because there was an MK Ultra side of it, where they were still doing some loose LSD experiments for various types of

information, and during the end of all of this, during the late 60s. Yeah, late 60s, 67 to 69. Yes, and so, if you read, because this was where we'll talk to you on the idea of where Charles Manson comes into all of this, where we need to maybe do a whole episode on it, we did a segment in our live show a while ago, before it became real, thanks to Chaos, Tom O'Neill's book. Yeah, and this is not conspiracy bullshit, this is very real. Charles Manson's involvement in this.

Not to fully spoil it, but this is kind of like the crux of it, if so, how somebody like Charles Manson got involved, and kind of like what Tom O'Neill discovered, which is really interesting. So Manson's parole officer, who is this dude named Roger Smith, he was a part of a federally funded group that was researching LSDs and drug use amongst the San Francisco population. Specifically, anybody live in any kind of woo-wee-woo lifestyle, they loved it. They opened up a clinic called the Hate Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, that basically just gave out free acid to a bunch of people, and then what they would do is they'd come back,

they would ask them how their experience was, or like what this was, people would go and live with some of the people they were giving acid to, which led to a report written on the Manson family, before they were the quote-unquote Manson family, called the Group Marriage Commune, a case study, which is people went, because the Manson family would come in to get free acid, and Manson would show up with all these chicks, right? And some of these chicks might have been used in some form of version of midnight climax that was happening at the time, right? These girls were all kind of all acid, they were also doing like various levels of sex

work. The midnight climax had been done, those safe houses had been closed since 1966. Have they? Have they? Have they? Have they? But because also what's interesting is that Jolly West was a part of this whole thing too, giving Manson acid, and then moreing him from reality essentially, and kind of

like pushing him towards like, you should search your own group, you should go out there and do that. And Jolly West is really interesting, because I didn't know he denied being a part of MK Ultra up until his death, where he was like, that was not me, that was not me. Yeah. That was the guy that filled the elephant full of acid, the elephant that chatted itself and then had a seizure and then died. That was Jolly West.

Oh, yes. It wasn't a good experiment. So Charles Manson, he really is an American creation. He really is. But because they kind of let him go. In every way. Where you see the conspiracy thing in the hook is, is that you see that during this time period from 67 to 69, Charles Manson has arrested several times for various crimes,

and he has never put all the way through the process, which is really interesting. He keeps getting let go because up at this point, Manson spent most of his life in and out of jail. Why would it would not seem to be a problem to have someone whose rap sheet is that long, right? Pop them right back into jail, right? Why, why, why the fuss? But they would keep releasing him.

And also it seems that the CIA themselves and members of the CIA and his parole officer allowed him to travel to Los Angeles where he set up shop where the Manson family became the Manson family that we know. And because they look the other way, because a part of it's about like, let's see what happens here. And then we don't know because then that's what we're saying. Did he actually get the full MKUltra treatment? Was he getting hypnosis?

Was he getting all that kind of shit? Or was Manson... I don't think you hypnotize Charles Manson. I mean, he's like, I am hypnotism. And then they go in there and he just, but the idea of like watching the acid spread down the coast of California, thanks to the Manson family. It's really interesting. We should read Chaos by Tom O'Neill.

Yeah. It's on my list, definitely. Well, the thing is about the Manson families, the kind of acid that they were using was orange sunshine, which was known to be government acid. So it's quite possible, if not definite, that the Manson family was getting their acid from the government, not necessarily the CIA, but definitely government agents. Finally, the government does something good for the people. Well, no, it resulted in the murders of the Tate, you know, the Tate Lobby Onka murders.

Not for them. You know, and then that's true, right? Cause now we got Unabomber and Manson all touched you, which you could see why things like program to kill, have a thing to stand on because you say, like, well, look, it did all this shit. But again, if you're listening to Henry Lee Lucas and you think he's telling the truth, you're a fucking moron. You're an absolute fucking moron.

If you think Henry Lee Lucas is telling the truth about fucking anything. All right. So with the exposure of Operation Chaos, President Gerald Ford formed a committee to investigate the CIA's activities on US soil. That was called the Rockefeller Commission. No name because it was headed by Gerald Ford's vice president, Nelson Rockefeller. He's got a big ass tomb. Yeah.

I went to his grave site once. Where? It's in sleepy hollow. No shit. Yeah. Now, while the Rockefeller Commission was largely toothless and didn't mention MK Ultra by name, it did discover that the CIA had run tests of potentially dangerous drugs on unsuspecting American citizens.

It also mentioned the death of Frank Olson, the agent who supposedly committed suicide by jumping out of a hotel window, but was in all probability murdered by the CIA after Sidney Gottlieb dosed him. This opened the CIA to lawsuits by Olson's family, but the whole thing was eventually kibosh. You're going to love this by Ford's chief of staff, Donald Rumsfeld, working in conjunction with his deputy, Dick Cheney, two of the most dangerous Americans that have ever lived. Donald Rumsfeld is not cute.

Steve Carell should have never played him in that movie vice that movies made Dick Cheney seem like he's not a war criminal and he is and the unknown known that Rumsfeld documentary, give it a watch. It is fascinating. But again, the podcast that I've also been listening to about what it took to get us to invade Iraq in 2003 is also fucked up. You can believe about 4% of what he says. It's unbelievable.

Well, because Rumsfeld and Cheney stepped in, there was no lawsuit and the family had to make do with a $750,000 payoff. But after the Rockefeller commission was deemed insufficient to explore the CIA's crimes, more committees were formed to get to the bottom of it and eventually they got to Sidney Gottlieb. Gottlieb agreed to testify to a committee, but only in exchange for full immunity. And while he answered almost every question with all the clarity of a magic eight ball, you sure that a little bit of that, a little snippet of that, because he did a lot of like,

depends on your meaning of the term sitting down, sitting down. It did come out that he illegally destroyed CIA files. These of course were the MK ultra files. But since Gottlieb had secured immunity before testimony, nothing happened. That is one clever way to do it. But that wasn't the end of the investigation, nor was Gottlieb scot-free. In 1977, Jimmy Carter appointed a man named Stansfield Turner as director of the CIA, with the mandate to bring transparency to this obviously corrupt and dangerous organization.

That poor, poor peanut farmer, he saw UFO and he thought he knew it all. He thought he could really get the cat by the tail and it was sound like when you are a soft spoken little tiny man, your tiny man spoke weed on the roof with Willie Nelson. No one really listens to you and you don't do anything. It didn't seem to be that effective, but it was such a wonderful time of innocence in a sense because now we're going to fix this. Nancy Pelosi was like, of course we can have and of course we can have ties to Wall Street and of course we can invest.

We're still civilians. Of course, it's a total compromise against any common interest for the public good. But Jimmy Carter gave up his peanut farm. When he became president, he said, I don't want to have any conflict of interest. So he gave up his cute peanut farm and now that just sounds so good, but it's so sweet. He didn't even tell his brother Billy to stop selling Billy beer. And that was a huge black mark on Jimmy Carter's reputation that there was this drunk asshole from Georgia walking around talking about how much you love Billy beer.

Going off that and the human experimentation trials first exposed by the Rockefeller Commission, an author named John Marks filed a Freedom of Information Act request and obtained all of the MK ultra files that had escaped destruction. The documents were released at a press conference and Sidney Gottlieb was again summoned. However, he again secured immunity and again dodged the most important questions with answers like, I can't remember. My remembrance is not that clear. I'm a little hazy.

It sounds like it. Those are direct quotes, by the way, I'm a little hazy. So in 1979, using what information he had available, John Marks published the search for the Manchurian candidate, blowing the lid off MK ultra and providing fodder for conspiracy theorists for years to come. Gottlieb, meanwhile, retired to a quiet life and refused to talk about MK ultra to anyone. As the years went by, however, MK ultra victims began filing lawsuits against Gottlieb, including inmates who've been subjected to LSD testing and patients who have been involved in you

and Cameron's psychic driving experiments. I can just see him in the corner eating a pastrami on rye and just looking out the window and then everyone's like, I wonder what he's thinking about. No, he's just watching the trails, like he's just like enjoying the flashbacks. It's speculated that as a result of his constant legal battles, Gottlieb may have committed suicide on March 7, 1999, a company man to the end who died rather than reveal his secrets. His official cause of death, however, is a long-suffering heart condition. But considering Gottlieb's vast knowledge of undetectable poisons, it isn't far-fetched

to think that his last covert victim may have been himself. Only find to have the final meal I always would expect, Arby's. And just pouring poison into the horsey sauce. You tell me horsey sauce, this isn't a fricking Psyopty. That changed the game. Yeah, dude. Fucking hot white. Ooh.

Spicy white. Ooh. That's what I gotta go for, man. But again, there is a massive cabal against good food in this country. We've talked about it. The four factory farms are totally fucking us over and Arby's has gone downhill because of it. Yep.

Yep. All the bread tastes like fucking cardboard now. I'm just glad to see that your time now away from Arby's has gotten so far that you could start to admit these things and that you can finally start to see with clarity. Your eyes can be open to the Arby's meat. I know. It was just, it was a pretty hot new kid on the block. It's definitely not anymore.

Now famously, Bill Clinton somewhat apologized for human experimentation in 1995. Talking about post-noclarity. Although contrary to popular belief, MKUltra was not a part of the apology at all. I tell you what, there's some times when you are, you're looking at someone just right and a woman becomes an astray. Oh my God. Daryl Hammond is doing this show. Wow.

You're covered in stains and you're hammered. Yeah. Rather, the apology concerned human radiation experiments. But if you replace it. Oh my God. You know our country is fucked. We're like, all right, we just got to make a blanket apology for human radiation experiments. Okay.

All right. That one's done. That one's done. Boom. Check. But if you replace the words human radiation experiments with MKUltra experiments, every single statement he made about what was done tracks perfectly. Yeah.

Cause if you want to have a fun little depressing Sunday, you should look up the Tulane experiments on radiation on mentally handicapped people. And it ain't nice. Cause I tell you what, they don't turn into the Hulk. No. That's so sad. They put uranium in their breakfast cereal. Jesus.

For what? To see what would happen. Curious. We think it's going to happen. Well as far as why Clinton chose that moment to apologize, we looked into the possibility that it could have been a distraction for one of Clinton's many scandals. I got apologized for something. Apologize for not killing the son of Bin Laden.

But ultimately nothing matched up. In the end, this apology largely mattered only to the families of the victims and conspiracy theorists as further confirmation that America does shady shit. Now, the CIA's MKUltra work had, as we said, a legacy of torture that lasts to present day, specifically in the CIA's so-called enhanced interrogation techniques that became such a point of contention during the war on terror. And I say that now realizing that that is not necessarily present day. That was almost 15 years ago.

Wow. We are old. You can start drinking if you were bored in the year 2000. I don't want to fucking hear about it. But it's arguable that MKUltra's biggest impact over the decades has been felt most in conspiracy theory. Because one could argue that QAnon would not have gained as much traction if its leaders didn't have MKUltra as a jumping off point.

Now we know that every president's a murderer, right? We know every king, anybody that has any sort of place anywhere, every government kills people and does nefarious shit. Now the thing about MKUltra that was so very specific is the fact that it really showed wanton, absolute, like no rules, like fuck the American people, fuck you, we're gonna do whatever we want because we know what's best for you. And the thing is, is that what that does is create a really fun platform for them to say anything that could have happened within those 149 sub-projects of MKUltra.

Because they were like, well, if anything held, then now we can just stick in a new theory because that's number 147, like if you look at all the conspiracy theory websites that we go through, you just go through all of the, because you really have to sift through what was real and what was not and also straight up understand, well, if seven boxes of MKUltra documents were destroyed, maybe the proof for these other ones were gone and maybe that one guy, Randy247 on YouTube, he knows. He knows, yes. I always catch myself with conspiracy.

As soon as they think the government is too competent, I'm like, yeah, you're probably making that up. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's the problem. Remember guys, it's Veep. That's what government is. It really is.

It's Veep. It really is a fantastic show. One of my favorites. Well, long before all those dickheads created QAnon as a joke that got way out of hand and long before Russia co-opted the idea of satanic democrats to cause mass chaos, division and confusion, there was a little conspiracy theory born out of MKUltra called Project Monarch. And again, if you were a member of Project Monarch, you're going to want to shut off

the podcast right now. First of all, shut off the podcast and you're going to want to go get a schvitz. Go down there, go to the sauna. Because you deserve it. You really, seriously, take care of yourself. It's not about self-care. It's not about self-care. Well, because the problem is that some of the secrets we're about to reveal right now

might make you kill your family, but I'm going to say this right now, straight up. Never kill a podcaster. Never. Okay. Wow. Really great work. Holy shit, dude. What if that's a fucking activation phrase though?

Oh, man. Because I hope it's not one of these because I got a whole list of activation phrases right here. What are they? I got a couple of good ones. I got stuff like, turn your genie free, pop a cork. That just activated me to drink wine. Let's continue.

We're going to get, oh, no, there's more activation commands. All right. Now the claims made by people who say they were part of Project Monarch are to say the least a bit unhinged and they're far more graphic than the worst Hillary Clinton drinks the Adrena Chrome of Children conspiracy theories. What do you mean? We think spare cooking is something. This shit gets dark.

Now the, how the Illuminati create an undetectable total mind control slave is filled with some of the worst passages I've read and I've been in quite a bit of time where it's like, because you know what it is, it's all about, it's the big shit rooms. It's the stuff where like kids are supposed to be dumped into shit, like we'll get into it. Let me know when you want me to go. All right. Just fucking let me know when I can get out of this fucking, I'm ready to go.

I'm a horse at the line. I want to start talking about it. I got to get it out of me. I got to get this out of me. Is that what happened at Woodstock 99? Was Green Day, was Limp Biscuit a tricker? Yeah. Child shit room was actually on the morning.

Fantastic. Well, basically Project Marnark rests on the idea that MKUltra Mind Control Technology actually worked and was applied to hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of innocent people in the service of a satanic, all-powerful, omniscient, deep state. Three million Americans and counting cane and knife rituals taken from the secret schools laid in. Not only is it just hypnotism brother, you're also getting attached to literal demons. They use demons in the programming to help you get more hipness.

So the CIA has contact with demons? They are demons. They literally are. It's not even like, oh, they're beating, they're mean. They are actual incarnations of spiritual demons. Okay. So the CIA, so how far up did the demons go? Is everyone a demon?

Like, for example, does everyone who run for president a demon? Is Jeb Bush a demon, my friend? According to this book, it depends on how Jewish you are. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's just one of the arms. Then why the fuck didn't Bernie Sanders win the presidency? Or did he? He didn't. Or did he?

He didn't. Well, involving everything from mass sex slavery to satanic ritual abuse to, of course, pedophilia, Project Monarch is an old school conspiracy that imagines that every single politician above the level of city council is a cartoonishly evil psychopath who commits heinous acts of sexual deviance and violence for the pure sake of committing them. And that's where they're actually correct. Now, when I say old school, I mean that Project Monarch is a conspiracy theory with no particular agenda, while QAnon paints the world in terms of heroes and villains, i.e. Republicans and

Democrats. Ann has an agenda because there is, in the very end, people are hijacking that movement in order to destabilize our government. Of course. Now, when I say old school, I mean that Project Monarch is a conspiracy theory with no particular agenda, while QAnon paints the world in terms of heroes and villains, i.e. Republicans and Democrats. But QAnon does have an agenda because now it is.

No, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, but they hijacked it to destabilize the government. Of course. Monarch is from a time when conspiracy saw the entirety of the government as well as everyone in the entertainment industry as an unstoppable enemy. In other words, conspiracy was a god of malice rather than an octopus, a concept of something so powerful that there were no heroes. Rather, every single one of us was a victim whether we knew it or not, and that applied

double to the people who claim to have participated in these conspiracies. Well, the only thing that stops you is the fucking pure power of Christ. Ah, yeah. Christ is the only one to break my programming with a little kiss down south. I agree in Christ, he comes and he kisses my balls, I don't think about killing the president. Oh, well, there you go. Another life saved by Jesus.

The only person that is clean is Wilford Brimley. Yeah, you think so? Yes, because all he cared about was flags and horses and telling people. He got out of the Hollywood machine, he moved to Wyoming. Yeah. Well, but he is Hollywood. He's Wilford Brimley. He walked away.

Yeah. Okay. Monarch does share something with modern conspiracy. Both are ways for people to make sense of a chaotic world, and many times, especially with Project Monarch, people found ways to plug their personal problems into conspiracy theory. This explains why my wife, Kathy, doesn't appreciate my affair, too. Seriously.

This is ridiculous. Yeah. You know what, too? It's not just, it's not just, it's like, you even say personal problems. I think it really is some of the worst, as we'll see, because of the nature of Project Monarch, it really seems like a way to explain sexual abuse that is done to you at an early age that you try to find much like how back in the day when we did Ghost, Alien, or Molested, where the idea of these memories that could be screen memories, whatever it is that your

brain sets up, or what you have come to believe, are like, you could create a very involved fantasy world that mocks us all up, or I will pause it. People read conspiracy theories, and they read about MKUltra, and then they ape it in their activity. This is the nuanced way. This is through the tube. If anybody can follow me, if anybody's got the guts to follow me, that people can, I mean, this is intense, group rape you dressed as Spider-Man, and Bill Clinton, all this kind

of shit. I really do think that they'll do this shit so that you don't believe, and that you do sound like a crazy person when it says this kind of shit, and then it folds into conspiracy theory even though it did actually happen to you. Who knows? Yeah, but just because you're attacked by a werewolf doesn't mean that werewolves exist. Unless you're in London. Yeah, and then you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, most folks just say, hip, hip, bang, zippel.

There we go. Werewolves of London. Warren Zevon has a great song about some of this stuff. Everybody knows that song. The Envoy, though. It's called The Envoy. That's a different song that I was plugging. The Envoy.

Because Warren Zevon needs his help. Yeah. He's dead. But. Hey, what's up, everyone? How you doing? Ben Kissel here with Henry Zabrowski. Yeah, it's me, man.

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Now, out of all the unbalanced people who claim to have been a part of Project Monarch, the most lucid by far is Kathy O'Brien. She claims to have been literally raised to be an MK ultra agent in which she acted as both sex slave and message runner. In 1995, she co-authored a book called Transformation in America. Say it correct. Trans space formation in America KKKN. This is an off the rails account of her alleged time as a Project Monarch agent.

This book is co-authored by her husband, Mark Phillips, who just happens to claim that he was the person who barely rescued Kathy from the clutches of her evil masters. It's kind of cute they got together and wrote a book. Yeah, but the way they got together is that he said that he had to kidnap her, tie her to a chair, essentially waterboard her and hypnotize her until she admitted that she was a sex slave created by the US government. The truth about cats and dogs dating, huh? Now, Kathy and Mark's agenda for writing this obviously false narrative is murky to

say the least and even some fellow conspiracy theorist refer to transformation in America KKKN as at best delusional and at worst a PSYOP in and of itself. Get into that. Get into that. If you're into that mind set. If you're into that mind set. If you're into that mind set. If you're into that mind set.

If you're into that mind set. If you're into that mind set. If you're into that mind set. Good, bro. You fucking don't know who you are, Kissel. I don't. Is that me? And I am an opera, am I a double double blind?

That's super funny about it. Oh yeah. Well, these are the conversations that are best had in Vegas. We have this conversation, but no matter their intentions, Kathy and Mark concocted one of the wildest rides in conspiracy theory history. So let's go through a few of the main plot points in their book to give a full scope of how far people can take the MK ultra idea. And then I can check her story against Fritz Springmire is manual and how to create an

an undetectable total mind-controlled slave so that we can see if it holds up toaster. Okay, well, we got real scrutiny here. But as a side note, there's almost no doubt that Kathy O'Brien went through some sort of immense trauma at some point in her life. And for that, she has her sympathies. But the point of covering her claims

is that her outlet for dealing with that trauma is extremely harmful to other people. So while we can be sympathetic, we cannot justify how much damage she's done in helping to build the base for conspiracy theories like QAnon that damaged the very foundations of our democracy. Like David Ike, who ran for office and didn't win.

And then it's like, I'm really sorry. And then he had to go and believe everyone was reptile. Yeah. And the best part about MK Ultra, this part about Project Monarch, honestly, and the worst part of Project Monarch altogether is that straight up, we didn't need that to destabilize our democracy.

We were going to do that ourselves. Yeah. Again, just wait it out. Yes. Wait it out. We'll do it with memes. Memes. So much easier than we all thought.

Memes that are based on conspiracy theory. Perfect. This is great. Now, Kathy O'Brien claims that her MK Ultra programming began soon after her birth in 1957. Graphically jumping right into it, Kathy said that her father Earl was a pedophile who substituted his penis for her mother's nipple

soon after she was born. I'll tell you what though, you're not going to get any milk out of that. No, I don't want to. When you do read this, because the idea is that the Illuminati and the various families of the Illuminati, they know that in order to create a perfect mind controlled slave,

they must already be able to dissociate naturally. And what also the Illuminati knows, so the American science foundations won't even fucking allow to slip into the American consciousness as that knowledge actually is transferred genetically. So what they do is various leaders of the Illuminati, Alistair Crowley, George H.W. Bush's father, Vanderbilt Bush, these are the guys

that got really into the Eastern shit, right? The idea of meditation, smoking a lot of hashish, doing stuff to get super dissociated, knowing that their calm will be super be able to dissociate, right? So they have sex with other weird trained slaves. Then they have babies. Those babies that are put,

and they are sent to the secret facility in China Lake, where they go down there and they're put in these massive airfields, these big giant cages filled with babies, where they are there, right? And then their jobs are, they're already going to be naturally disposed to be able to dissociate. And so then what they do is they take them,

and yeah, they give them love for about 18 months, so they get to attach their master. But then what they do is they violently hurt them, where they then, they rip them off their clothes, they put them in a dog cage, they dip them in shit, they literally do them fully in shit, they make them eat shit, they make them eat blood, they make them kill other babies and all that kind of shit,

to shatter their mind, to a bunch of different- They make the babies kill other babies. How do they pull off making the babies kill other babies? They literally put a knife in a baby's hand. This is in the book. This is not in the book. It's only in the book, Marcus. Look at the book.

I know, I'm looking at the book. But they put a knife literally in a child's hand to go, and you cut the baby like this, and then they cut open a baby's intestines just to trauma that. This episode of Rugrats has really gotten to her. It's intense, man. But this is what happened to Kathie O'Brien.

She was automatically, because the idea is that they will never then know anything, and then you shatter their personality into a million pieces, because that's what the DID comes from, is being what they're called, it's like reversal of message, like this idea that you get love bombed,

and then you're immediately tortured by the same person who love bombs you. Oh, just one second, guys. My comment delivery is here for the comment pizza. That'll be great. Some great pizza, something about the way it's made. So she must have been a member of the Illuminati's family's child.

Ah, well, Kathie said that her father's repeated sexual abuses provide the first level of mental compartmentalization that would make her the perfect sex slave, an MK ultra agent, implying that her father had intentionally abused her to later sell her to the US government. So that doesn't necessarily match up,

because she said that she was abused in her own home, and not at a gigantic silo filled with dog cages and shit. And that's where I got your ass in a fucking cage, my friend, because what doctor, with Dr. Fritz Springmeyer, I don't know if he's a doctor. I don't think so. What he says in here is that it's not just

Illuminati families, right? Because the Illuminati families, a lot of times those babies- And now you're negating your own, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. And it's not negating, it's adding on, but it feels like if you just agree with everything, then you don't have to be right about anything. Somebody's catching on. So it's about rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling.

And so the Illuminati bloodlines, right? They create the babies that will go on to program the other babies, right? So their babies will go up and be the minders of the other babies in the system. Now I'm just thinking about boss babies. Because now we're talking about millions of babies. And this is true, millions of babies, because half these babies are getting just slaughtered in just the training parts.

Right, right, yeah, it's like the witcher. Most of them don't survive witcher training. It's just like that. It's just like that, because a lot of them are just uses props, right? They're just there, they're filled in the room. For the main babies, they're going to become like the actual good slaves, right? Because that's what you're looking for, is a good trained slave. But the other ones, right, stuff like that, they mostly come from,

this is from Fritz Springmeier, liberal families that would rather have money than babies. And this idea that they would take, because they pay them for the baby. Oh, OK, so you're saying that liberals get each other pregnant, go through an entire nine months, tell their friends that they're pregnant, show that they're pregnant, and then at the end of it, they sell them to the Illuminati, they sell the children to the Illuminati, and tell their friends what? To get paid.

I just called, I just fucking monetized my hobby, getting pregnant. That's my hobby, because I'm a liberal, I don't care about babies. OK, well, what Kathy's claims that her father intentionally abused her to later sell her to the US government, that means that one of the MK Ultra sub-projects would have been to somehow recruit specifically incestuous pedophiles, then give them exact instructions on how they should abuse their children in just the right way to make them susceptible to MK Ultra training.

You were literally, you were saying sentences from the intro of this book. I think I read all of this. And then the thing is that I wrote that sentence to make shit like that sound really fucking stupid. That's because you're reading it wrong. You have to cross your eyes. Dude, that book is so, so thick. You see how earmarked it is? It is.

I was reading this on the plane. You shouldn't have been allowed to fly. Well, I put it down. I put it down. I put the cover down, and I just tried to open up the back of it. It was OK, I was in first class, so three other people had the same book. You know, the Illuminati in the first class, of course. It reminds me, I think I read a ChickTrack that has this exact storyline.

Yep, ChickTracks are definitely related to all of this shit. But in Kathy's narrative, this assumption makes sense because she claimed that her uncle was deeply involved in Air Force Intelligence, the Vatican, and child pornography. Man, very busy. I guess. Consequently, it was her uncle who introduced her father to Project Monarch, which was recruiting multi-generational incest-abuse children with multiple personality disorder for its genetic mind control studies.

It's just so specific. It is. Therefore, once Kathy's mind had been split, she was ready for MK Ultra. See, according to Kathy and Mark's claims, the government sought out people with multiple personality disorder because they have superhuman characteristics, such as vision 44 times greater than the average human. 44 times greater. Yeah, they're like Cyclops.

It really is. It's like that movie. What was it? Not Splice, I forget. Split. Split, yes. And they also have an unusually high pain threshold, which makes them both desirable agents and desirable sex slaves.

Well, you're supposed to be able to hypnotize them so you can light a candle underneath their pussy and they won't scream. Oh, my God. Now, while Project Monarch subjects were ostensibly supposed to be MK Ultra agents, it seems that Project Monarch was mostly used as a sex slavering. Well, that's just for the beta training. And there's also Alpha training, which is people that those are general mind controlled slaves. And you have the Delta training, which is like people that are, they go kill, right?

They actually the killer ones. Right. They go in dementia and candy. That's interesting because you love Delta. You only fly Delta. You're obsessed with your Delta points. Yeah, maybe. It sounds fascinating.

Maybe there is something there. Yeah, maybe there is something there. But I will have to kill you someday. I will. You've got Epsilon agents, which are dogs and cats. Oh, my God. This is true. We've got the Theta, which is psychic warfare agents.

Their jobs are go through. They are trained to be psychic. That is completely true. There are the Zeta slaves, which are actually the worst because they are just trained to be killed within the snuff films they make within the arms of Project Monarch in order to get. Basically, you use that like with now currently deep fake technology, put the face of somebody like a Donald Trump in a video with him beheading a little girl. But the little girl's real for some reason.

And the other one's fake. Oh, right. Well, there we go. Yep. No, well, I'm happy. Is that easy? Well, this is the last episode. We'll ever mention it.

So get it all. I'm so excited to I'm going to get it out. As I said, while Project Monarch subjects were mostly sex slaves for apparently multiple different reasons. Kathy said that in first grade, she remembers a quote splash of semen coming from a senator named Guy Vanderyacht and Gerald Ford before he was president. Oh, my goodness. I actually, yeah, I sure.

No. From there, her hypnosis training began with none other than Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau from Canada. And by 13, you'll like this, Ben. Kathy was in the role. Am I going to like it? At what point am I supposed to start liking it? You're going to like this.

Kathy was in the role of her next programmer and handler, Senator Robert Bird of West Virginia. Oh, what a nice clansman he is. D. West Virginia. Senator Bird then exposed Kathy to the satanic ritual perversions of her Catholic school principal, Father Vesbit, who is named Father Fuzzbutt by some of the kids he abused because he had a thick, hairy bottom. Oh, my God. And there's again, there's smatterings of truth.

I'm sure it's all disgusting. Yeah, she might have been molested by a priest. Something happened, dude. Something happened. Yeah. They say half the time with these various Project Monarch officers is that they can be literally dressed. A lot of times they see them dressed as clergy, dressed in druidic outfits,

dressed in military gear. Like they're kind of all over the place. Prestigious uniforms it sounds like. Yes, yes. After that, Kathy was taken to Wyoming where she played the most dangerous game with Dick Cheney. He did that in real life, though. Anything criticizing Dick Cheney. I'm like, oh, there's a little truth to that.

Oh, what about this? She said that Dick Cheney had a big hog. I could see it. I think that I could see it being about. I could see it being six in the little barrel. He's got that fat man's bod. I could, I could. Six barely.

But that's the thing is that it's six like a big barrel, but it's really difficult to get hard. Yeah, it's weird. It's got like oddest tool, like coloring purplish. Yeah, disgusting. Robert Bird, though. Micro penis tracks. I could also believe that.

Yeah, that's why they wear the robes. Yep. By 1977, Kathy was forced to marry a man named Wayne Cox, whom she'd already seen participate in satanic rituals. And now this is the idea that this comes from the old world satanism. This comes from the Egyptian book of the dead, like all of this kind of stuff,

where it's ancient, ancient Illuminati practices that have been layered into with the government. And the government is trying to essentially create a slave state eventually, where they could totally control the entire world using hypnotism and various radio techniques. For what purpose? Oh, whew.

I mean, I can't even believe he'd ask. I can't even believe he'd ask. I mean, he's just inquiring. Inquiring minds wants to know. No, I don't think you need to read this book before we can answer that question. I think that book should solely be about fast food, because that's what has done it.

All the sugars are killing our brain. Well, parroting the old satanic ritual abuse standard, Kathy said she was ritualistically impregnated by her husband, Wayne Cox, and was forced to abort the fetuses six times. This was also Cox could consume his own offspring and, quote, preserve others shaped in ceramic for sale in his interstate occult body parts business.

Yep, dude, and that tracks too, because you got right here. You're flipping through, what do you got? Illuminati rituals are based upon the most ancient mystery religions, the Rothschilds, like the ancient Canaanite mystery rituals, and use Akkadian Hittite Canaanite Babylonian rituals. The rituals from ancient Egypt also heavily used by the Illuminati,

which actually does, often time, have many body parts and jars. You can see here, this is a body part. There's actually the image of a body part. A body part jar that's labeled Ashley, because that was the person that it got taken out of, because that comes from the Egyptian book of the dead. And that was done by a child, the drawings drawn,

as you can see by the very nature of the art. It looks like a child who wanted to sign up for art school, and he sent that in as a submission, and then he immediately... They're like, you know what? You can't be an artist, but you would be an incredible Project Mark Sexton. No, I think maybe Child Protective Services

might have a role in that. Well, supposedly Cox would murder people by cutting off their hands with a machete in a Peter Pan themed ritual. Then he distributed the body parts, as well as cocaine, through an occult supply network running through Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Florida.

So if he gets pulled over by the cops, he's like, the cops are like, what are these hands? And then he's like, yeah, I hope they don't find the coke. Yeah, now he shows them as fucking Project Mark identification card, and since every single cop, I'm sure, is probably a part of this entire conspiracy. Six out of seven.

Okay, it checks out. This claim, of course, is connected to serial killer and serial liar, Henry Lee Lucas, who claimed that he and Audis Tool worked for a satanic syndicate called The Hand of Death, which is in turn referenced by conspiracy theorist Dave McGowan in his book, Program to Kill, that argues that almost all serial killers

are a type of MK ultra agent. The only thing is the beginning of Program to Kill talks about Mark Dutrault, that we are going to do an episode on in the future. Totally. Yeah, it's a fascinating story. Fascinating, but fascinating, because again, but this is the crux of all this, right?

Which is, it is definite that there are massive child pornography rings and pedophile rings that work, because they literally, to the nature of their predilections, have to work in groups. Yeah, in the nature care system. Yeah, the foster care system. And they get busted all the time.

Child pornography rings get busted. And Mark Dutrault. Wonderful foster care people out there, taking care of kids that are great. Good work saving yourself. Now, Mark Dutrault is a serial killer that also happened to be connected to a lot of these government guys.

And he basically said, and he's a Belgian serial killer. And this is where Program to Kill starts, which is basically he says, I was a part of a group of guys providing kids for various fucking politicians, all of these like heads of state or whatever. And I just kind of like, in my way, skimmed off the top. Right, like I just took some for me.

Isn't this what we've been discussing with Epstein, Maxwell, this whole thing? No, there is evidence for it. Yeah, there is evidence for it. But Mark Dutrault is a fucking serial killer. And again, if you believe a serial killer, you're a fucking moron. You can't believe it.

But what if they, I do think that Ted Bundy lost his flashlight one time? Yeah, no, sure. Well, it's yet like that, like actual evidence where, if it makes sense in a human way, then yeah. But if Henry Lee Lucas is telling you that him and Audis Tool went to the fucking Florida Everglades where they took a boat to a gigantic organic party,

then he's probably lying. Yeah, he's lying, yeah. No, they were never allowed to board anything that required an ID or anything like that. I'm just saying it is interesting. The Mark Dutrault story is very interesting. And it is one of those things. Again, it's a platform for other things to be built on.

And then I do believe because of the vastness of the human imagination and also the vastness of our ability to do bad things to other people, that anything is possible under the sun. Yeah. And if you are a fan of Programmed to Kill, know that he goes from Mark Dutrault to Henry Lee Lucas' The Hand of Death.

And go read The Hand of Death, which is textbook satanic panic bullshit that was written by a nun who used to visit Henry Lee Lucas in prison. They yes-handed each other into the shit for two years. And then put out this stupid fucking book. Kind of like Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs. Yeah.

Now, if you can find The Hand of Death, it's a really fun read, but it's also really dumb. All right. Now, eventually, Kathy was transferred from Senator Robert Byrd to a new mind control handler named Alex Houston. To the public, he was a country music ventriloquist. What a great reputation to have. He might as well just call him a pedophile.

Admittedly, he does look like the Jimmy Savile of Puppets. Yeah. Like, that's his vibe. But to Kathy O'Brien, he was a CIA operative. From there, Kathy was handed off to Michael Aquino, the infamous Temple of Set Founder, who did actually work in the CIA SIAP division. We know that.

Interestingly, Kathy said that Aquino was the only person in the satanic government who treated her like a human. Weird. That's the one? Ironic. No. Well, yeah, Michael Aquino is also in program to kill because they can't get over it.

Where she comes down to it, she sounds like he's a fucking nerd. He's got really bad eyebrows. He's a nerd and a fucking weirdo. He looks like Eddie Munster. He's a talk show guest. He's interesting. I think, again, interesting stuff. Interesting indeed.

But when he wasn't being nice, Aquino and Kathy's husband were carving a hideous witch's face with silver nitrate and exacto knives onto her genitals so that when she did cagals, a face would pop out of her vagina like a Halloween decoration. That's what happened to Henry's head in the pretty face. Wow, that is exactly what happened. He came out of his butthole.

Honestly, if you do want to carve a witch's face onto your genitals with an exacto knife, we're here for you. Yeah. I mean. Show it to us. Show it to us. Don't do that. But if you like it.

Yeah, if you like it and you're doing it to yourself or if you're consenting for someone else to do it for you. No. God bless. No. That's gonna stand. Let's not do that. With Michael Aquino, Robert Byrd also produced films

like How to Divide a Personality and How to Create a Sex Slave. Robert Byrd is also so old and racist. He also produced Birth of a Nation. And these instructional videos were produced by who else but NASA. Yeah, you fucking asshole. You're screwed. You need to stay down.

NASA's in it too. Moves and up. You know, I'm doing the rest of this show fucking standing here. This is the last thing we needed was NASA's involvement. Presumably it was with the production team they had left over after they faked the moon landing. Who was actually, by that point, he was working on Clockwork Orange. Yeah.

Well, staying in the film world, Kathy was also introduced to Ronald Reagan, who gave her acting tips for when Kathy starred in pornography. Okay. He's important. You remember, Kathy, you really want to shake your head back and forth. And the key is, Kathy, you're going to want him on. He was notoriously not a great actor.

No, they said, they always said the best thing they could say about him is that he showed up on time and sober. Apparently, Ronald Reagan wanted Kathy to call him Uncle Ronnie. And he called her Kitten because Reagan was apparently super into bestiality porn in which cats were fucked to death. Well, yes. And also, well, Kitten is also what you call a beta slave. Because what you do is you hit them with stuff,

which is interesting. A couple of things that you say to a beta slave to get them to be on you is what you do, you say, like, you say, ride ponies. It's time to ride ponies. It's time to play horsey. That's another one. Six is sex. Seven is heaven.

Eight is great. Nine, you're mine. Oh, my. It's just so corny. It's just a mix of horny. Try it on your wife. Try it on your wife. Red dot spin, spin, spin.

Become another person. Then you start sucking dick. I guess so. They also, Kathy O'Brien also said that all of the men and all the politicians who abused her all use the phrase, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Oh, yeah.

They like those terms. Yeah. Here come my kitten and let me pet you. Purr for me now. That's a fluffy kitten. Purr deep. What is that supposed to trigger? Make you horny.

So how many do they have for making you horny? Why do they not just have? It's two pages of them. Two pages of them. There's a lot of them. You got one more. Oh. Itsy bitsy boob.

That's what it says here. Access code pertaining to Betty Boop Programming, which I actually don't know what Betty Boop Programming is. Is that a type of female behavior according to this one? I see. Yeah. There's a lot of different kinds of programming. There's Betty Boop Programming.

There's Wizard of Oz Programming. I can talk about the Wizard of Oz Programming if you want. There's Peter Pan Programming. Before we get to Wizard of Oz Programming, let's talk about Ronald Reagan a little bit more. Love it. He also contributed to Kathy's Programming and you're going to absolutely fucking adore this.

I know you will, Ben. Another thing I'm going to adore. Okay, because the last one I didn't love. He used his well-known love of jelly beans. I weaponized jelly beans this shit so much. Jelly. Jelly. Jelly.

He passes out jelly beans. Is that weed? From what Kathy said, Reagan would switch her programming objectives by offering different jelly belly flavors, which for some reason, and I don't know why Dick Cheney fucking hated this. He didn't like jelly beans.

Yeah. Jelly beans are divisive. They are. Now, as far as Kathy's actual job in Project Monarch goes, she seemed to mostly be either a messenger or a drug mule. Specifically, she claimed to have delivered messages during the Iron Contra affair and made multiple puns in her book about her quote,

Contribution. There's a lot of quotes. I'm going to die. There's a lot of little funny things in all of this stuff because she wants to be, because all about being punny, you know what I mean? Why is she trying to be punny? She loves puns.

She does. Oh, my God. She was abused. It's the show. She's over it. Yeah, I guess. Eventually, she came across the Clintons as all good conspiracies do.

And everything was totally fine. He just did catering. Super polite, yeah. And she described watching Bill Clinton participate in a homosexual orgy while Hillary watched an act of mutilation and told Kathy, quote, Eat me.

Oh, God. Eat me now. Yeah, even a broken clock is right six times a day. I'm not even going to take that bait. Thank you. I'm good. Yes, we'll move on. In the realm of entertainment,

Kathy claimed that George H.W. Bush, presumably as the head of CIA, used Mr. Rogers' neighborhood to make kids susceptible to mind control programming. You better leave Mr. Rogers alone. But the core of this whole thing, or truly, I think it's about saying the most horrific thing you can think of

and then be like, would we lie? Yeah. Would we lie about this? It's perverting the ultimate good always. And it's the same thing in New York when someone's like, I need $1.17 exactly to get on the trade. The more specific.

Oh, yes. Obviously you. They never have a trade. How could he just make it up? How could he possibly make up the three pages of songs that are used to program M.K. Old Joe agents like green sleeves? Oh, what's that one?

Grease is a Christmas song. It was in the Try Brown Christmas and Graldy did a great version of it. I'm in love with a big blue frog. This song, crazy, crazy, crazy for feeling so horny. That's what I had in Sex with the Center and that man had cut off his head. I wonder if they killed that woman.

That's declined. Maybe. But yeah, fucking Hackshell Hawk has just got caught up in the deal. Oh, yeah. And then the song, The Letter, where every single time the word baby is said, you replace it with master.

The box-op song, the one that Alex Chilton wrote when he was like 16. Yep, that was perverted as well. Give me a ticket for an airplane. Got no time for a fast train. Lonely days are gone. Mom, I'm coming home. My master, he wrote me a letter.

Wow, totally. Interesting. Works. Well, I mean, everything from Robert Ludlem novels to E.T., to Star Wars, all contributed to mind control programming. George Lucas, by the way, NASA operative. Okay.

Additionally, and this is perhaps, this is the most offensive and egregious claim. Oh. Kathy O'Brien said that in the latter days of her time in Project Monarch, she was taken to the largest mind control slave camp in the country, which was run by Meryl Haggard.

You better leave Meryl alone. Hey, man, you play for the audience that shows up. That was a satire song. Okie from a Skokie was making fun of them. And then they're just like, we love it. And then his audience just turned out to be them. And he was just like, we're just a musician. What are you going to do?

Did they didn't make Silver Wings any less beautiful though? No, it didn't. However, Kathy O'Brien claims that she and her daughter were set free from Project Monarch by her future husband, Mark Phillips, who maneuvered Kathy's husband into a position where he could, quote, lift them free. But that's why just Kathy, before you go,

could you get an autograph from Meryl? A huge fan. And also there was a daughter involved in there as well. I just didn't get into the daughter. She also had a daughter. Yeah, and the daughter did actually exist, but yeah. But that's why even this book, even I shouldn't have read it. No, I think this book.

I'm not for book burnings, but I'm going to burn that one. But no, no, no, it's not because of, it's not because of the truths within. It's because it's actually even dangerous for me to read it. Because he said, at the very beginning of this, the only people who should be reading this book are ordained ministers that can use the power of God to shield them from the information inside of it.

Because without it, that was the warning that I actually retrofitted for the top of rest for episode, came from this book, where the idea that only a minister or a man of God could possibly read all of this information and remain sane. All right. Yes, because of course, all ministers are by nature, sane. Oh yeah.

Well, after being rescued, all of them moved to Alaska, and Kathy apparently underwent 18 hour a day sessions to recover memories. And here is where we might find the source of Kathy's fantasies. Now, we don't know where Kathy O'Brien really was before Mark Phillips, but we do know from our study of the satanic panic that recovered memory therapy creates incredibly dark and bizarre fantasies,

even in people who have no trauma in their past at all. Unless you believe that people who believe that memories are repressed are actually people that are within the PSYOP community saying like, oh, you're crazy memories. That's fake memories. That's all fake memories that come from inside of your brain. That's fake.

Let's put that right here. Hippin says because they don't want you to know the real truth is that it's all real. They're demonstrably false. I don't want to tell you about that. They're right about that. He's holding the book. Look at this book.

I have my hands. There's one with words that were typed out. They were typed out. Not typed out correctly spell, but typed out that way. No, no, no. They don't need that. That's the truth. The truth does not come with letters.

Or editors apparently. Well, furthermore, these demonstrably false satanic ritual abuse stories are eerily similar to Kathy O'Brien's fantasies. And it may not be a coincidence that Kathy's memory recovery began after the satanic panic was already in full swing. She either she or Mark Phillips could have easily bought Michelle remembers. They could easily buckin been Mike Warnke fans. This all, all this shit comes from somewhere.

They definitely followed the McMartin preschool trial. I guarantee you that. It does seem like someone on acid would try to nail Jell-O to a wall. Yeah. And also, when you're on acid, you think about an airplane. You're like, what about a bullet? Like there's a lot of work. Yeah, you're looking at the pan. You should be like, that is nothing.

All right. So nothing sticks to this fucking pamphlet. How the fuck did they get the nonstick to stick to it? Oh, god. So it's been sitting here just thinking all fucking day. Like, how do you know if yogurt's gone bad, man? Like, how do you fucking know if yogurt's gone bad? That's what you just got working.

That's the new meaning. But therefore, if Kathy O'Brien did go through the kind of actual trauma that we should, that we think she did, that she almost positively did, that it's possible that she and Mark played an extended game of yes and and through years of positive affirmation, then ping pong in it back and forth and positive affirmation from conspiracy theorists that only got stronger when fucking Kathy O'Brien got a Twitter account. And they were monetizing it. Yeah, they were monetizing both Kathy and Mark are absolutely convinced that their

story is the unquestionable truth. Kathy O'Brien released a documentary this week. Oh my god. What are the odds of that? Well, the thing is, and I started watching it. Don't break your brain, Mark, because it's okay. Synchronicities are good. Dude, not this one, because you know what she's going to think?

She's going to think that she fucking released this documentary and that we actually released the fucking MK Ultra series at the same time. So people would look at her documentary and think that it's fucking garbage. So I guarantee you, she thinks that we are CIS, I have agents. Guess what? She's right. I'm going to pull up my mask. Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, eat me, stop eating me now.

Get over here, Hillary. That's a fucking horrible thing about conspiracy theory is by debunking the conspiracy theory and talking about their conspiracy theory. We are, in fact, reinforcing their conspiracy thought. Well, I'm happy we only did five episodes on it. And then I started watching her a documentary. And don't worry, it does not go too hard on MK Ultra. But just know for a fact that masks are used by the CIA to this day to train you in MK Ultra.

And that's what they're doing. And that's all it is. And that vaccines, they are poison. Yeah, I heard, I've heard that story before. Now, Kathy O'Brien is not the only one who claims to have been a part of a program like this. The other is Candy Jones, who also claims to have developed multiple personality disorder from childhood abuse. Candy was a former Miss Atlantic City and a paranormal radio personality.

Awesome. Who claimed to have been qualified to use explosives, fight in close combat, resist pain, and kill with her bare hands as a result of MK Ultra program. Honestly, that's how you become Miss Atlantic City. Yeah, you have to be able to choke out a dude from behind. I mean, she's not as graphic as Kathy O'Brien. Like she does talk about the vagina candle experiment. She said that it happened to her in an auditorium full of CIA operatives.

But really the only thing that gives Candy's story an ounce of credibility is the fact that she made these claims under hypnosis before MK Ultra became public knowledge. And that is interesting. I think what there is some truth to the fact that it seems as if she shared an office, when she was in an office, like that she had a private studio and across the way from her was a dude that moonlighted it to CIA asset. And it's quite possible that she was used to bring messages for the CIA to various places

because she was a hot chick that the people that she was like kind of one of those pinups that everybody in World War Two would jerk off to. And as she got a little bit older, the CIA then used her maybe. Who knows? Who knows. But Operation Mind Control by Walter Bower does a whole fucking chapter. Yeah. Okay.

But when she had those recovered memories, she didn't mention MK Ultra by name, nor did she mention anyone that we know to have been a part of the program. She mentioned others specifically by name, but not anyone that we know for a fact was a part of it. Well, like Dr. Green, who actually was Dr. Joseph Mengele did not go to South America. He moved to Virginia, my friend. Oh my goodness. I didn't see that coming. What a crazy game of clue this has turned into.

And as we said, brainwashing had been a part of the American consciousness for a while because the Manchurian candidate had been made into a hip film over a decade before. So all this stuff was not complete. All this stuff was not plucked out of thin air. It was all out there to be fucking farmed. Hypnotism, whatever. I want my baby back. Baby back.

Chili. We got you, bro. Baby back ribs. Oh, chili up. The greatest ops of all time, advertising. Yeah. Eating good in the neighborhood. That's me.

I know you are. Furthermore. I'm the neighborhood. I'm going to be all that I could be in the U.S. Army. I would love to see you be an army of one. Oh, I will be one day. Yeah. When you make your childozer.

Yeah, we'll see. Furthermore, Donald Bain, the man who co-wrote Candy Jones's book, The CIA's Control of Candy Jones, he was mostly a popular fiction writer who had, in fact, ghostwritten a number of murder. She wrote books. Angela Lansbury. It all comes full circle. Talking about that fucking bitch on serious.

No, she's not. Don't talk bad about her. I want to see evidence. Trying to look trust two out of three. Democracy you lose. Angela Lansbury is an icon. She's an icon. She's a treasure.

And also, why isn't she being praised? She acts like a teapot and she's not. She's a woman. She acts like a teapot, but she's not. That was a cartoon. Yeah, sure. You don't think Beauty and the Beast was a cartoon? I'm not even going to answer that.

You're broken. So, in the end, we're really not left with one of those we may never know conclusions. We have a pretty goddamn good idea of who was involved in MKUltra, what the objectives were, when it was done, where it occurred, and why they did it. The problem is that we will never recover those seven boxes of documents destroyed by the CIA in the 70s, nor will we ever see the personal files destroyed by Sidney Gottlieb. This, of course, will leave room for conspiracy concerning MKUltra for the duration of America's existence.

And there's not a goddamn thing you can say to a lot of believers because they can always point to this void as evidence. But at the end of the day, I think that if we focus on the human element and all this, and remember that the octopus of malice was ultimately just a scared, if dangerous animal, we can prevent ourselves from becoming unmoored from reality like the men who created MKUltra. Holy shit, the octopus is finally asleep. Thank God. Put a bullet in his head.

Enough just to know that MKUltra was real? Yeah. Do you think we have to extract it? I'm saying. They go when it was giving everybody a CIA. That, for me, is like, wow. That is what that's like. I don't need anything else.

Yeah, we don't need to extend the universe this shit. Yeah. Anyway, wow, all right, MKUltra part five, we are putting this baby to bed. Oh, man. Thank you all so much for listening to this series. We wrote it hard and we put it away wet. Absolutely. Just like Kathy O'Brien.

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It's over, dude. I know. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm sorry. It's over.

Burn that fucking book, throw it out the window of the next car you ride in. Actually, give it to a homeless person and see what they do with it. Dude, you do. Be like, spread the word. Here you go. Wink. I need a trench coat. You do.

You do. Yeah, because I'm like, here's the truth. All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening. And thanks so much for supporting our new show on Serious Open Lines. You guys all have been calling in. Your stories are incredible. So we were just so honored to be over there.

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